And the way the world actually operates is through espionage, and no one wants
to look at it except for you. Why is this so overlooked and how
does this espionage sexpionage rule the world? We're told that the elected officials make
all the decisions and when in fact know there's actually a shadow government. Who
are the real shot callers and power? Dialectical philosophy is very relevant for us
or people in the conspiracy genre, because a lot of controlled opposition is operating
on this kind of idea. Of order to further the dialectic, you intentionally
smash positions together, operate. He yeah, it's just this paper that disrupt
online alternative media and conspiracy theorizing is to basically just flood it with fake conspiracies.
I mean, this is pure evil. So that's the mindset of these
mad scientists. Yo, what a bitch, dough nut? And you tuning
into oh you Illuminaton News. We are here with APEX researcher Jay Dyer.
I really wanted to have you on, Jay, because I'm just trying to
meet new people, try to do cool things. Alright, alright, alright,
you're talking about language now, buddy. Yeah, big fan of yours.
Like I was saying earlier, I'm nervous to talk to you because I
know how deep you've been researching for You've had websites since two thousand and seven,
going over esoteric Hollywood stuffed out a lot of new people are looking into
today. You're way past that. You've picked up these heavy books, oh
tragedy and hope. And I'm here to ask you a lot of questions.
Okay, it's gonna be fun show looking for on to Did you got like
infinite windows open there? I've never seen anybody have that many windows open.
That's how we do it. That's how we do it. I even got
other windows open to other windows of tabs, of windows of tabs. Wow.
But I wanted to start it off with the dialectics. This is kind
of a new term for me. I got a Joseph Ferrell's book. I
haven't read it, you know what I mean. I know that you've read
a lot of this information. But my question to you, Jay is can
you explain dialectics for somebody like me? And kind of like how the dialectics
are used to control the way people think and the way people are And yeah,
so you'll notice there that it gives two definitions, and this is typically
the distinction that I make between the first one listed there, which is no
problem at all. Everybody engages in dialectic at a pedagogical teaching level. That's
just kind of discourse back and forth in terms of argumentation and discussion. So
everybody learns in this way. In the ancient world, they call it the
elyinctic method after Elinktuse, and so there's nothing wrong with that. The typical
way that most people are thinking of it, and the problematic way is in
terms of the metaphysical contradictions and tensions in different positions and in different world views.
Number Two, there is the sense that we're usually referring to when we're
thinking about conspiracy research, geopolitics, controlled opposition, Hegelian dialectics. It's referring
to the second and not the first. So that's our most relevant negative connotation.
It doesn't have to necessarily be negative. You could study dialectics in the
sense of just studying principles that are in opposition or believed to be in opposition.
Male, female, day, night, black, white, good evil.
A lot of Eastern philosophy is basically predicated on the notion of dialectical metaphysical
tension. So Hegel thinks that all of reality is in this dialectical process of
everything that's distinct is moving towards grand great unification at some future point in history
and Marxism transhumanism, they all borrow from a Galian philosophy by saying, hey,
he got that right. Everything in history is working toward for marx the
liberation of the workers and the withering way of the state and some kind of
future utopia. For transhumanists, it's everything is moving towards everything being conscious and
being a some kind of unified transhumanist supercomputer entity like you see in movies like
Transcendence or Lucy or something like that. So dialectical philosophy is very relevant for
us or people in the conspiracy genre because a lot of controlled opposition is operating
on this kind of idea of dialectical opposition that in order to further the dialectic
you intentionally smash positions together. Right, So you'll find a lot of Marxist
philosophers even write about this. Lennon talks about it, and they're getting that
from Hegel and Mark Skitz it from Hegel's So Hegel's getting it from older pre
socratic philosophers are going to Yeah, agit prop could be an example of this
of agitating people to get the reaction that you want, because getting the reaction
further is your designs or your plans. Yeah, and I could see that
big time, just the trolls alone on certain topics that start to pop up
whenever I get into let's say Epstein for some reason, I get all,
I get no trolls, but then I start getting trolls when I start talking
about certain topics, and it seems to be some sort of co intel pro
with that. But this was a new word for me, ajuc prop that
I never heard before. I heard it on your podcast, I think like
two days ago. Yeah, this was kind of a plays that were done
street performances. Performance are intended to really ramp up people against the establishment,
get them all agitated. I mean, imagine like a bunch of Antifa people,
you know, putting on a play where you know, they they portrayed
Donald Trump as a demon or something like. This would be the modern day
equivalent of the Bolsheviks did ag problem. But it's just a way to cause
friction and so like, like you know, think about like Soros funded or
astro turf protests, right, these would be similar types of ideas. You
just did a podcast with Isaac Weishaup, who I'm a fan of and a
friend, and you brought up cast Sunstein this people, how did you already
hear that? Are you a subscriber? Like? How did you subscriber?
You know me? You know, did like like two hours ago? Like
how did you already see it? Like you dropped it before you came on?
And I was like, are you spying on me? Get me nervous?
Oh no, I'm just a big fan. I'm joking. Yeah,
No, I seriously, I didn't know you guys recorded that today. That
was like three hours ago. Okay, No, I'm shout out to Isaac
wise hop. But you brought up this Obama this a forgotten paper. Yeah,
I never heard of this. Can you tell us a little bit about
this? I've never read it. I just got it up for Yeah,
it's just this paper that I guess got him hired to positions in the government
the Obama administration, where he talks about how different ways to disrupt online alternative
media and conspiracy theorizing is to basically just flood it with fake conspiracies, just
a bunch of fake nonsense, and that's all over the place. Yeah,
I mean it doesn't obviously doesn't identify which ones are the fake conspiracies. Yeah.
The point here is to just you you don't combat these ideas directly,
because that would give too much credence. It's the best way to combat is
to really just flooded with disinformation, ridiculous conspiracies, get everybody debating idiot stuff,
and then you've neutralized the actual effectiveness of any of the conspiracy theories,
particularly movements like the nine to eleven movement. The main concern that the paper
has as its example is nine to eleven truth and the various ways to disrupt
the effectiveness of nine eleven truth and looking into all this research before nine to
eleven, going into the Audus Huxley's and Timothy Leary's, these certain agendas,
like what we're hearing about at the Miami NEPHLA Mall aliens. It kind of
is a great example of maybe something getting put on because all the news agencies
were saying the Miami aliens, and even that I believe it was Lansdale who
you've been talking about recently one of his operations where he wanted to do the
elimination by illumination the project Blue Beam asque situation. I think that was based
out of Miami too, not saying that there's a connection, but it sounds
right because the concern was Castro and confusing Castro in riling up Catholics to oppose
Castro by having the second Coming that's fake and staged, could proclaim Castro's Antichrist.
So it would definitely makes sense that that would be out of Miami.
I mean that was where the CIA was really using a lot of those The
big deep dive I've been going down is this John C. Lily, Yeah,
Illuminati Dolphins I call it over here is meta programming. I didn't know
how important that was to the social engineers until most recently. Lily describes quite
a bit in his Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer about ways to program
us at different levels in our psyche. So basically you kind of have these
base programs that he thinks in his evolutionary model kind of come out of basic
survival drives, and those are the lowest levels, and then you kind of
have stacked all the way up to your conscious, waking brain, other programs
that your biological software is running on, and so he theorizes that different means
and methods. It's almost an unreadable book, but the parts that you can
read and make out what he's talking about definitely plays into the possibility of future
transhumanist ideas. He was a pioneer and microchips in the brain. They were
doing a test with Lily's technology and experimentation not just with dolphins but also with
monkeys, implanting the microchip of the monkey's brain. He was a big part
of that. So I think, I mean, he's essentially one of these
other lesser known in k ultra figures. Yeah, this this book is pretty
wild because he thinks that. I mean, he basically says, yeah,
I've drugged children and reprogram them. I mean, this is pure evil.
So that's the mindset of these of these mad scientists, mad scientists connected to
the Esscellent Institute, as I believe he was teaching there, yes, towards
the end of his life. This hard to explain book because I try to
read, I can read it. You know, I'll go back to it
eventually, But I know that Timothy Leary got the eighth circuit model of consciousness,
which we like basing off of this, I believe, and then Robert
Anton Wilson's Prometheus Rising made it into more simplified four. Yes, I've read
that book. This book was nuts. It's crazy, yeah, and it
actually deals with dialectics and controlling and understanding. Basically posits that anytime you understand
both sides of a conflict, you're in this sort of illuminated position. And
if you never if you never choose a side, which is kind of silly,
but if you never choose a side, then you remain you know,
the enlightened Aluminist. Yeah. I think it reflects a lot of Krolly and
philosophy in that book. But speaking of Croley, let's get into some double
O seven stuff. I got to talk to Rick Spence most recently, Yes,
and he wrote the The Crowley aged six secret Agent sixty sixty six.
Carl Young was Agent four eight eight. But that's nuts. It makes perfect
sense though, because at that time the book that I'm reading and analyzing and
dissecting right now is Arran into the Wilderness Religion, the CIA, and there's
several chapters that touch on figures like Joseph Campbell, and thus it would make
sense that Carl Young in this exact same vein would be tasked with helping to
consult and write these various white papers and psychological operations because their philosophy is very
much a unifying philosophy of how to maybe even read all of religion under the
guise of psychological archetypes. And you know, the CIA, obviously the ouss
and then the CIA would find that very useful, very valuable, because they
become key movers and shakers in the Ahumanist one More religion movement. M Yeah,
I think that that whole John C. Lilly research is to reset this
autonomic nervous system by introducing all these schizogenics to the public while they're on their
AI phone, giving them the alien disclosures and they have some sort of shamanistic
experiment experience and whatnot for you. I mean, that's a good point.
Uh. And if you've seen that movie with John Cusack and uh Samuel L.
Jackson cell oh love them, it's about that. Yeah. Even there
was a guest appearance of the Toxic Avenger Lloyd Kaufman in that film, not
Toxy himself. But Lloyd Kaufman's right in the beginning. And I noticed that
the cell with John cusack uh Thus cell where they walking around the towers at
the end, right he turned the zombies. And you're saying, Lloyd Kaufman
is that that scene or in the beginning of the movie. It's he's in
the beginning of the movie, which makes it okay, cool, makes me
think he was trauma was part of the whole blood Gore part Yeah, yeah,
okay, filming because you did film studies, correct. I took some
film classes, but my degree is in English and philosophy. Yeah, but
you do understand films, so well, yeah, I took a look at
it from a literary perspective, so I'm not really technically studied in you know,
cinematography and cameras and all that kind of nerd stuff. I look at
it from the literary and you know, symbolic perspective and getting into you know,
various stories of Hollywood history and espionage and secret societies and how they all
kind of interrelate. Yeah, so they all interrelate, and double O seven
espionage, even the term I've never heard about sexpionage. I got another question
for you, I'm a pull upical. Well I made that up, I
think, although no, I take that back. There's a book called that
and then I just started saying that from the title of that book, so
technically no, I didn't make it up. Well, I learned it from
you. And the question I got for you, I wrote it down,
came prepared. Let me see where now, why isn't a point up?
I'll hear this. This is a really good interview because usually people don't ask
these kinds of questions and they don't have slides ready to go, So this
is it's a lot more fun than the usual sort of you gotta how far?
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Yeah. So I think the timing is good because you know, Whitney
Webb has put out her two volume book on sexpionage, you know this one
which is that, and then the the Epstein volume, So those are good.
And then I just happened upon this old school nineteen nineties book that I
found somewhere. It's actually not sexpionage, so I guess I did make that
up anyway. I thought the title that book was actually sexpionage. But Yeah,
just did a podcast with Nick Bryant, and I know you were on
his show to everything is kind of curated for this podcast for you as well,
and the question I have espionage sexpionage. You talk about the swallow and
the raven, and in the truth or community people talk about numerology, secret
societies and the way the world actually operates is through espionage, and no one
wants to look at it except for you. Why is this so overlooked and
how does this espionage sexpionage rule the world? It's a good question. I
think most people just aren't aware of this element of the power structure in our
society. If people think of power residing in entities like the government, even
though technically spying is I guess part of the government, but it may might
not always be. There are private entities that do it too, So I
think people think of it like power is Joe Biden and rich people, but
they don't realize that. Yeah, but that power is exerted and ends are
accomplished by people who are the worker bees that go out and engage in the
activities that aid the power elite, and that principally is people who work in
intelligence work, so they serve a key role. Spying is like what the
second oldest profession supposedly after prostitutions, or is prostitution the second oldest orget what
it is? But the point is that this is the oldest thing that governments
and militaries do, is get intel and spy, So you would think it
would be more well known for whatever reason. It's not, I think because
people are dumbed down. We don't know how the system works. We're told
that the elected officials make all the decisions and run the show, and when
in fact, no, there's actually a shadow government, a group of people
that are represented by the national security establishment, who are the real shot callers
and power exerters that most likely can trump unintended politicians. Right, they can
go around above and beyond politicians. And in fact, as probably many people
know about JFK, I mean, they can get rid of politicians if they
if they need be so. The thesis here is basically this that that inner
secret power structure really calls the shots. Uh, it's not Joe Biden,
and they work for more powerful, wealthy steering committees, builder Berg, you
know these kind these kinds of things are the top up there. Uh,
and then people on those boards, your brazensks, your kissingers, they're calling
the shots and telling them the spies and the NGOs, the intelligence agencies what
to do and what to enact. That's the real power structure versus the facade
front, this piece that everybody thinks runs things right, and the key arsenal
one of the key weapons in that arsenal, The key tools in that toolkit
is blackmail, compromise and sexpionage, and that has come out in many,
many, many recent cases. So Savile in the UK, Franklin cover up
Epstein, right, and Puff Daddy two. Yeah, we did a podcast
about three weeks ago when we thought we were speculating that he might be sort
of the rap Epstein, and you know what's coming out allegedly is kind of
pointing in that direction. Bad Boy for Life. Oh man. So,
I don't know if you ever saw uh the band Tupac cover of the Caluminati
the Dawn Calluminati album before he was assassinated, but he had Puff Daddy up
on there an address. This is what I thought was interesting is that Agent
four eight eight Carl Young, he was writing two MK Ultra Alan Doles.
Young was also at a famous institution the name of its Escaping Me. But
we've dug this up on one of our podcasts when we covered Cure for Wellness,
because the Cure for Wellness setting for the movie says, you know,
something about this reminds me of like it's like a Freud Young mixed type of
character. And turns out the place the institution in the movie, which is
kind of an mkulture type of movie, looks really similar to this institute where
Carl Young actually did a lot of his research and talk and talks and lo
and behold another prominent person that came and studied and did experimentation. There was
many, at least two or three other mkulture doctors, including you and Cameron.
That's it Bergolsy. And if you scroll down, it'll say all the
different people that worked at Bergolsy, and it's several mkulture people. Let's say,
see, there's Carl Young mentioned up there, Manfred Bueler Young, yes,
you and Cameron at the bottom ew and Cameron mk ultra wow wow.
Yeah. And this kind of reminds me of you know, the Esslin Institute,
Tavistock Institute, that's sort of the same kind of camp. Right with
Carl, I think, uh yeah, there's overlap because allus actually went and
spoke at Essln. But Esslin is more like a think tank for the New
Age and sixties counterculture movement, and this is like a legit like psyche acadetic
institute where they're like analyzing crazy people. You know En Brad did in Twelve
Monkeys type of thing, right right, Yeah, I mean it's it's so
interesting because I really like to go into the way you cover and your wife
the pop culture because I was so socially engineered throughout my life. Yeah,
we all are you and uh, it's just it's fascinating to live through something
like that and uh and whatnot. And I guess that kind of will bring
me to some more of a spiritual aspect because I lived through this whole counter
culture and got into all the different pharmaceuticals that were pushed and the only way
that I got away from that was through God and praying and whatnot. The
topic of angels and demons, I had this, I swear I had this
question written out to you before your show on Info Wars. Were you actually
titled it angels and demons? Right here? Angels and demons and the intelligence
Agencies? I kind of wanted to get a bird's eye view from somebody who
is well read as yourself, which is very rare to find someone to ask
these questions about angels and demons, spirit possession. We know these things are
real, but the only thing that we get is these like wika TikTok five
second clips of something or the celebrities doing some sacrifice ritual or the symbology of
Satan all over the place. Can you tell us what is going on?
What's your thoughts on all this going on spiritually? Well, I think that
spiritual realities affect us in the here and the now all the time. We
don't see all of that, but we see it manifested through the imagery,
the symbolism, and the actions of various people, whether they be influenced by
good spirits or influenced by evil spirits, So that manifests on our plane of
existence through you know, people intentionally let's say, doing evil actions or people
intentionally doing good. So the people, I think in a lot of these
circles of Hollywood entertainment, music industry, I think a lot of them probably
do take that seriously. Not everybody, obviously, there's a lot of atheists
there, but the ones that do take it seriously, I think they think
that they really are getting power, projecting power, attracting attention, and a
lot of the occult writers talk about doing even Anton LaVey talks about kind of
becoming your own little god symbol that draws the attention and energy of masses of
people. And that actually empowers you and makes you a god, even if
you're not for all intents and purposes of God. If you can be seen
as a God, then you are pretty much a God. So you have
a lot of that discussed in those people. And then obviously a lot of
the Hollywood crowd actually does like Crole and they do like Anton Leavey and various
you know, occult philosophers and techniques kabbala, on on and on. So
I think a lot of that mysticism appeals not just too eccentric, you know,
celebrity types, but it also can appeal to intelligence agency types, which
can utilize those occult world used to manipulate people. And from the intelligence power
perspective of the establishment, they don't really care about which religion is true false.
They're concerned with how does this or that religion or cult give us the
ability to socially engineer, experiment, mind control people, steer them in various
directions, and use them to our to our benefit. And that's not just
weird cults. I mean that would apply to using the Catholic Church, trying
to use Muslims, trying to use you know, all kinds of religious filaws,
Christianity for the purpose of projecting American power. I mean, that's how
that's how the system sees religion as one of the one of the tools in
its toolkit. So I do think there are, you know, real spiritual
entities out there. But I think we can also go overboard in the other
direction by thinking that all the symbols are Illuminati, all the symbols are Satanic.
This is really kind of a silly, you know, kind of evangelical,
ridiculous, superstitious view of thinking that every time you see this symbol it
means this or that. So there's a lot going on in your question.
It's a very deep, difficult question, but I think all of these layers
and levels are the case. So you've got humans acting under various influences,
You've got power elits acting under influences, and then you've got a spiritual reality
that affects all those mm hmm. Yeah. It's kind of funny because you're
you're going to be in California and I was recently out there film and stuff
and the scientology stuff. It's like all over California, And I looked up
the from your listening to You and Isaac Show, I looked up the Bohemian
Grove that was trending that story. It's funny because there's an ad for Scientology
to watch something. I don't know what it is, but they Scientology had
a Super Bowl ad. So that so Scientology apparently had a Super Bowl ad.
That's interesting. Oh okay, Yeah. So you're going to be out
in Malabute, not really in Malabute, but California on the IDEs of March
with Jamie Kennedy, who I grew up. Jamie Kennedy has been in my
family's living room Wicked, smot Prankster, Family Friendly, which is so difficult
to be a comedian and impress my dad, who doesn't like any cuss words
or anything. You're gonna be with him and your wife, Hollywood Conspiracies and
comedy on the eydes of March. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's gonna
be fun. I mean, we had an event with him out there eight
months ago. It was a lot of fun. This was his idea,
he said, that's dad adamant. So you know, now we're working on
trying to, you know, get people to come out to this event.
It's fun. Our events are very unique because we do five hours of stuff.
So you know, I do kind of a ten twenty minute silly impression
stand up type of thing, and then we have Jamie, my wife,
doing a exture on Hollywood symbolism, film symbolism. I do a lecture.
Last time I did philosophy. This time I'll be doing more sexpionage, geopolitics
type of a talk. And then Jamie does his twenty minute stand up set
a lot of fun, and we do book signings and all that. So
yeah, it's gonna be a fun event in March fifteenth in La. Yeah,
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I'm most likely going to be there, but I'm in Arizona, so I'm
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What are you waiting for? Go out there and get it. Yes,
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there's my two Hollywood books, her two Hollywood books, and then my
two philosophy books and a couple other things there. So yeah, okay,
I'm gonna ordered these tonight because I need to get that autograph. And you
got the Tragedy and Hope book right there, Well, that's my lecture series.
So some people don't want to be subscribers to the website, so yeah,
so they have the option of just buying my Tragedy Hope lectures. So
okay, So now I got some questions to act ask you about the lectures.
First with Plato, Well, I guess it's not about the lectures,
but Plato's republic. One of the questions I had written down is you've read
the global elite texts and the you know, the Guardian class, the Rhodes
Scholars, the elite in their idea in Plato's Republic. Within their moral framework,
it's okay to have a noble lie for their utopian smart cities. I
guess I could tie it into today. Can you tell us what is on
the minds of H. G. Wells Berton Russell's creating a scientific technocracy new
world order? Why do they want that? And what are these people all
about? Priests of power, mad science. I think they're all about,
uh, you know, projecting their worldview by any means possible and achieving it
by any means possible. Well so, Merchant Russell says very clearly that the
model for the coming new world order technocratic dictatorship is Plato's Republic. He says
it explicitly in Impact of Science on Society. A lot of the same stuff
repeated in this other famous book, Scientific Outlook, which also talks extensively about
the future technocratic world government. Even though you'll see things like, oh,
but he criticized Stalinism, Yeah, but again he believes in In fact,
in other books he praises the Bolsheviks and the bullshit Revolution. So this is
not somebody who's an illegitimate liberal unless you understand liberalism to be like Fabian socialism
and depopulation. So basically all these people are Malthusians. They all want total
technocratic control cbdc's tracking, tracing, everything managed by centralized computers and technocrats,
I mean these and it quickly has the same thing in the middle chapter of
Tragy and Hope. So that's what they want, and that's what they're about
the middle chapter. Thank you for sharing that, the middle chapter of Tragedy
and Hope, because you right, looka it's so heavy. Oh my goodness,
Carol Quigley, Bill Clinton's advisor, you talk about Oh there you talk
about Carol. That what I love that I'm not talking about about a Bill.
I'm not talking about about him there. I wasn't talking about about him
Bill. But in the middle of this book, this is what took me
to really dive deep into Jay Dyer's apex research, is that in the middle
you just pointed out, in the middle of this big ass book, he
breaks down the uh, the left right paradigm. Is that what's going on.
No, the middle of the book is the chapter about the coming future
managerial society run by technocrats and big giant computers. Later, I mean,
he may talk about the controlled opposition that I don't remember, but if you
get towards the end of the book, around on page nine hundred one thousand,
he starts talking about the establishment funding the liberal side of things as well
as the conservative side of things. So yeah, he explicitly says any identifies
the entities that you heard me mention like Trilateral Commission, cfr way to mention
tarlateral because when that book came out, Trilateral didn't exist yet. But those
are the types of entities that he's talking about, and by extension, the
intelligence agencies. So wow. And he also brought up Anglo American establishment in
his other book. I know, I'm asking you so many questions. I
want to get wicked smart over here. That's that's what I want. You
don't want to know in ways that that book is even more revelatory than Tragedy.
Note they're both necessary and they complement one another. But here he's just
talking about more so the power structure itself, how it functions, and its
origins, and it comes out of the Rhodes, Milner, Rawschild, Roundtable
groups, the Milners Society, the Society Elects, Secret Society that Cecil Roads
came up with that he put into his last Will and testament. People like
John Ruskin, tyinbe h G. Wells, all of these people are reflecting
this paradigm in the book and how it's structured coming out of Cambridge, Oxford,
Eton London School of Economics eventually, which is a Fabian institution, and
then the alliances that they made with the Eastern Seaboard establishment in America, particularly
the noble ignoble universities Princeton, Yale, Harvard, which is where we get
the os S and CIA. That's typically called the Eastern Seaboard elite. And
those entities combined with Wall Street in the banking sector make up, and the
industrialists like the Rockefellers, the JP Morgan's, Vanderbilts and so forth, that's
the Anglo American establishment, all those entities, and you could argue by by
extension, and the way that they rule is the round table grapes, which
are mirror on the English Royal and super International affairs. So the r i
A is the roundtable group that is the model for the American establishment of the
Council on Foreign Relations, so that they're mirrored. And that's that is the
Eastern Seaboard Atlantis establishment has nothing to do with Atlantis, just the Atlantis establishment.
That's the power block. And of course nowadays, obviously Israel, which
actually was created by modern Israel's created by these people. There's a whole chapter
that I covered recently in Tragy Hope on the establishment of the modern nation state
of Israel. It's all the same people. So you could say the Anglo
American Israeli power block right right, and it's a whole deep dive right there.
The balveboard decoration with the rob Child also the little Mustache Man connections too,
are very Yeah, there's two important chapters in appeasement and then the funding
of Hitler and Tragy and Hope. Those two chapters are really important because I
think it's two billion dollars from the Bank of England and France to support Tonny
mustache Man. That's so wild. That's so wild. And you can learn
all this over on your website on these lectures right here. Yeah, subscribers
get access to all that. But then sometimes people just want, you know,
the Tragy and Hope talk so you can get that, or they just
want to talk on Plato's Republic, so you can buy those those that lecture
series as well. But yeah, I tend to, you know, obviously
produce a lot more of these. There's a lot of books I want to
get to them and gotten to yet there's never ending you know, writings of
the global elite to go through. So so yeah, Brave New World,
that's a classic one. That's an old one there. I think there's a
better updated Brave New World that we've done where quite Frankly and I went through
four or five podcasts that covers the entire Brave New World, so that that's
an old twenty eighteen analysis which is still relevant. But Frank and I just
went so deep that I would actually recommend people listen to all four of the
of the Frank podcast because there's actually so much in Brave New World that when
I did that podcast years ago, there's things I missed, and so re
doing Brave New World last year, so many things I noticed that that I
totally missed. I remember reading this in elementary school and it was like the
first red pill. I really enjoyed that book and it's out as Huxley,
right, who wrote that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and then
he says later on this is, you know, in Brave New World revisited.
It's just an actual plan that people have it. It's not a pure
fiction novel. There was an article that came out yesterday and it was about
the decline of people having intercourse. I don't know the right way to bring
up a weird topic like this, and they quotated the Brave New World kind
of connecting it, and I thought it was interesting saying that Huxley's Brave New
World was right. Our addiction to amusement is what will lead the decline of
civilization. So like talking about the dopamine we get from this, people don't
want to make. Yeah, the difference there being that between nineteen eighty four,
where you have this heavy handed, miserable scenario of a dystopia, Huxley
said, no, no, it will be much better to control people if
you give them pleasure for their enslavement. So if you're pleasurably enslaved, you're
a much better slave than people who are, you know, just have the
hammer, the iron hammer brought down on them. So yeah, I think
that that is an apt point to make and critique to make that or well
got that part wrong. But there's other places that nineteen eighty four gets totally
correct that Huxley doesn't get correct. So both books compliment one another, I
think in the end, or well as they ended up being a better human
being than Huxley. Huxley I think was pretty much part of this whole system
and thought ultimately that it's just what's necessary because he promotes all the stuff that
the dystopia you know is about. You know, he believes in he's you
know, in the royal society circles, he believes in depopulation. He promotes
everybody you know, getting some kind of new psychedelic experience as the replacement for
religious sacraments. So he literally says that just go trip acid, do ayahuasca,
don't go to church. I mean, it's it's just promoting all the
basic ideas the establishment. But people think Norman's think, oh he's so chunter
counter establishment. Doctor Spence theorizes the Diary of a Drug Fiend actually influences Huxley,
which influences then mkult. Yeah, I fell for it. I fell
for it, and uh, it's Uh, you fell for what like psychedelics
and that whole stuff. Is that what you mean or what do you mean
you fell for it for the Uh? Yeah, for just the whole gangster
culture of smoking weed, smoking, blinds, drinking, and what it was
missed. What I was actually searching for was God. And that's at the
end of the And that's what Carl Young said about alcoholism is like, I
don't remember exactly what he said, but there that's my experience is praying to
get over addiction is what worked. And Carl Young was talk about that too.
Okay, Yeah, So there's a couple more things I want to bring
up before the top of the hour. I don't know if they're really questions,
just more of what I thought was so interesting because I did get to
talk to Nick Bryant and I watched your show with him, and you brought
up something that I never heard about. And I've been looking into all these
topics and Michael Lequino wrote this from syop to mind War and you kind of
talked about it just a little bit, but talking about frequencies the elf waves,
I thought that was interesting. I have a lot of research into electro
magnetics and Tesla stuff and naval research into microwaves and lasers. I mean that's
all pretty public and easy to verify. But what's going on And even John
C. Lilly that we mentioned earlier, he was studying a lot of brain
waves and you know how this works in terms of not just human brain waves,
but electricity and all of that, because they're trying to find ways to,
you know, like Jose Delgado did, put chips in heads and control
them. So that famous essay about psychological warfare on the part of the Army
that Michael Akino wrote, who was a famous Satanist and founder of the Temple
of Set, Yeah, when you get to end of that paper, he
starts talking about how frequencies resonate and what they disrupt, what they can do
to be applied to psychological warfare and fifth generational warfare, I guess is eventually
what it ends up being called. So yeah, I mean it's all real.
The same types of things are mentioned in the recent NATO cognitive warfare doc
documents. In fact, Rain Corporation has a document that I just there's so
many of these, Like you never there's always a new one. There's a
random one that just that I just found today from Maria z that was like
cyborgs, transhumanism, and something Ran Corporation all talking about the same stuff.
So yeah, so I think that, you know, the reality is that
this stuff is real. Unfortunately, you know, kind of like we talked
about what we talk about with the cast sunset stuff is when you start talking
about this, then it turns into this ridiculous thing of the target individuals and
it's all about the government's microwaving me from space and all of which is probably
not true. You know, I don't think the government that concerned with random
homeless people that live in a band down with the river, you know,
but they do care about studying this stuff to implement it through you know,
nanotech maybe or through the eventual sky new system that they want to put into
place. So you know, Klaus talks about that and then the last third
of his twenty eighteen for the Notion Revolution books. So yeah, all this
is real, and when you read the actual literature, you start to realize
that not every targeted individual is correct because a lot of those people, unfortunately
have mental problems and they have a lot of you know, schizophrenia in that
domain. But there are electromagnetic energy directed energy weapons, and they do study
that to try to perfect it, I think on a large scale, so
I don't think they're primarily concerned with individuals with that. I guess one last
topic I want to bring up. It's just not a question, but just
something that I thought was interesting, as the Phoenix Program. I've never even
heard about the Phoenix Program, and you and I believe Nick Bryant were talking
about it and how it was pretty much creating I think it was him that
said it pretty much creating serial killers. I don't know if you ever went
down some of the dumb rabbit holes with serial killers, going back to Jack
the Ripper. I have a multiple podcasts on serial killers and the Phoenix Program
and all of that. So I did, I think two years ago an
episode on Douglas Valentine's book Phoenix Program. He's sort of the one that first
wrote kind of a big fat book about it. Other people have talked about
it in their literature and their books. Dave McGowan program to Kill talks about
it, and that's one of the things that McGowan's sites as part of his
thesis as to how some of these serial killers of the seventies and eighties might
have been vets from the Phoenix Program. At least a couple of them we
know were you know, stationed in Vietnam. So that's a theory about serial
killers. It seems plausible at least in some cases. Not every serial killer
is a mind controlled Phoenix Program operator, but it does seem plausible in some
cases as far as I can tell. But yeah, I have many many
I've got multiple podcasts on you know, the main serial killers that you could
think of. Phoenix Program is not just like the serials. It's a lot
of operations that were going on to terrorize the viet Cong. And in terms
of what Lansdale was doing in the Philippines with you know, the Chupacabra,
vampire whatever, crypt you have the same kind of stuff that I think,
Yeah, that thing, I think he took that because he went to Vietnam
and it looks like he was probably involved in the Phoenix Program, So I
think he took some of those techniques and they applied that. For example in
the Philippines, he had the idea to drain corpses of all their blood.
And you'll find when the Phoenix Program assassins are trained, they're told to do
very similar types of things, to use the Eye of God Siap technique.
So yeah, I went pretty But the thing about Vietnam they have to remember
is that it's not just Phoenix Program stuff like I mean, the CIA was
doing all kinds of experimentation, a Rank corporation was doing research and development.
A lot of the Vietnam War was run out of Michigan. CIA was using
Michigan State University, if I recall, there's old chapter on that in Valentine's
book. So they were doing a lot of experimentation and research there. So
some of the research dealt with how to reorganize and move large populations. Some
of the research helped to create homeland security. Coming out of my own some
of the studies about training militants and guerrilla warfare is then translated to the School
of the Americas, Nicaragua, CIA operations to train contras and so forth.
So and it ends up being kind of the pattern of valentine argues for the
War on Terror and the ideas of how CIA trained Mujahadeen and al Qaeda would
operate. Phoenix Program is kind of a loose thing that kind of morphs perhaps
into the programs used with these sort of wild Muslim radicals. Wow, well
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It's not really, but that's Have you ever been told that? Yeah,
that's the long running joke and bang bang Yeah, so what I wear the
glasses? Yeah, but he's also great interview, a lot of fun.
Yeah, we'll have to do another one. Yes, all right, everybody,
much love and God bless you. Thanks dude, Thank you,