1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,679 And the way the world actually operates is through espionage, and no one wants 2 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:11,000 to look at it except for you. Why is this so overlooked and how 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:21,160 does this espionage sexpionage rule the world? We're told that the elected officials make 4 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:25,440 all the decisions and when in fact know there's actually a shadow government. Who 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:32,520 are the real shot callers and power? Dialectical philosophy is very relevant for us 6 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:37,960 or people in the conspiracy genre, because a lot of controlled opposition is operating 7 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,240 on this kind of idea. Of order to further the dialectic, you intentionally 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,840 smash positions together, operate. He yeah, it's just this paper that disrupt 9 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:51,719 online alternative media and conspiracy theorizing is to basically just flood it with fake conspiracies. 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,119 I mean, this is pure evil. So that's the mindset of these 11 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,920 mad scientists. Yo, what a bitch, dough nut? And you tuning 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,879 into oh you Illuminaton News. We are here with APEX researcher Jay Dyer. 13 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,359 I really wanted to have you on, Jay, because I'm just trying to 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:17,879 meet new people, try to do cool things. Alright, alright, alright, 15 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,159 you're talking about language now, buddy. Yeah, big fan of yours. 16 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,840 Like I was saying earlier, I'm nervous to talk to you because I 17 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:34,079 know how deep you've been researching for You've had websites since two thousand and seven, 18 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:41,000 going over esoteric Hollywood stuffed out a lot of new people are looking into 19 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,280 today. You're way past that. You've picked up these heavy books, oh 20 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:52,640 tragedy and hope. And I'm here to ask you a lot of questions. 21 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,200 Okay, it's gonna be fun show looking for on to Did you got like 22 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,799 infinite windows open there? I've never seen anybody have that many windows open. 23 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:05,640 That's how we do it. That's how we do it. I even got 24 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:09,039 other windows open to other windows of tabs, of windows of tabs. Wow. 25 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,479 But I wanted to start it off with the dialectics. This is kind 26 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,800 of a new term for me. I got a Joseph Ferrell's book. I 27 00:02:19,879 --> 00:02:22,560 haven't read it, you know what I mean. I know that you've read 28 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:27,520 a lot of this information. But my question to you, Jay is can 29 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:35,840 you explain dialectics for somebody like me? And kind of like how the dialectics 30 00:02:36,039 --> 00:02:38,439 are used to control the way people think and the way people are And yeah, 31 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:42,960 so you'll notice there that it gives two definitions, and this is typically 32 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,840 the distinction that I make between the first one listed there, which is no 33 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:53,800 problem at all. Everybody engages in dialectic at a pedagogical teaching level. That's 34 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,560 just kind of discourse back and forth in terms of argumentation and discussion. So 35 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,240 everybody learns in this way. In the ancient world, they call it the 36 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:07,439 elyinctic method after Elinktuse, and so there's nothing wrong with that. The typical 37 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,719 way that most people are thinking of it, and the problematic way is in 38 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:17,919 terms of the metaphysical contradictions and tensions in different positions and in different world views. 39 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,159 Number Two, there is the sense that we're usually referring to when we're 40 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:30,599 thinking about conspiracy research, geopolitics, controlled opposition, Hegelian dialectics. It's referring 41 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,680 to the second and not the first. So that's our most relevant negative connotation. 42 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:40,120 It doesn't have to necessarily be negative. You could study dialectics in the 43 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:46,479 sense of just studying principles that are in opposition or believed to be in opposition. 44 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,599 Male, female, day, night, black, white, good evil. 45 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:55,719 A lot of Eastern philosophy is basically predicated on the notion of dialectical metaphysical 46 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:02,680 tension. So Hegel thinks that all of reality is in this dialectical process of 47 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:10,159 everything that's distinct is moving towards grand great unification at some future point in history 48 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:16,040 and Marxism transhumanism, they all borrow from a Galian philosophy by saying, hey, 49 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,639 he got that right. Everything in history is working toward for marx the 50 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,439 liberation of the workers and the withering way of the state and some kind of 51 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:31,160 future utopia. For transhumanists, it's everything is moving towards everything being conscious and 52 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:36,240 being a some kind of unified transhumanist supercomputer entity like you see in movies like 53 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:42,839 Transcendence or Lucy or something like that. So dialectical philosophy is very relevant for 54 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,600 us or people in the conspiracy genre because a lot of controlled opposition is operating 55 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:54,000 on this kind of idea of dialectical opposition that in order to further the dialectic 56 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:59,279 you intentionally smash positions together. Right, So you'll find a lot of Marxist 57 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:02,759 philosophers even write about this. Lennon talks about it, and they're getting that 58 00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:09,560 from Hegel and Mark Skitz it from Hegel's So Hegel's getting it from older pre 59 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:14,160 socratic philosophers are going to Yeah, agit prop could be an example of this 60 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,879 of agitating people to get the reaction that you want, because getting the reaction 61 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:24,720 further is your designs or your plans. Yeah, and I could see that 62 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,120 big time, just the trolls alone on certain topics that start to pop up 63 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,879 whenever I get into let's say Epstein for some reason, I get all, 64 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,319 I get no trolls, but then I start getting trolls when I start talking 65 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:45,600 about certain topics, and it seems to be some sort of co intel pro 66 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,079 with that. But this was a new word for me, ajuc prop that 67 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,319 I never heard before. I heard it on your podcast, I think like 68 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,839 two days ago. Yeah, this was kind of a plays that were done 69 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,680 street performances. Performance are intended to really ramp up people against the establishment, 70 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,519 get them all agitated. I mean, imagine like a bunch of Antifa people, 71 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:10,399 you know, putting on a play where you know, they they portrayed 72 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:14,839 Donald Trump as a demon or something like. This would be the modern day 73 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:19,560 equivalent of the Bolsheviks did ag problem. But it's just a way to cause 74 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:27,120 friction and so like, like you know, think about like Soros funded or 75 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,240 astro turf protests, right, these would be similar types of ideas. You 76 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:35,720 just did a podcast with Isaac Weishaup, who I'm a fan of and a 77 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:41,240 friend, and you brought up cast Sunstein this people, how did you already 78 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,720 hear that? Are you a subscriber? Like? How did you subscriber? 79 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,360 You know me? You know, did like like two hours ago? Like 80 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,800 how did you already see it? Like you dropped it before you came on? 81 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:54,839 And I was like, are you spying on me? Get me nervous? 82 00:06:55,519 --> 00:07:00,199 Oh no, I'm just a big fan. I'm joking. Yeah, 83 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,240 No, I seriously, I didn't know you guys recorded that today. That 84 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,360 was like three hours ago. Okay, No, I'm shout out to Isaac 85 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:14,879 wise hop. But you brought up this Obama this a forgotten paper. Yeah, 86 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:16,800 I never heard of this. Can you tell us a little bit about 87 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,319 this? I've never read it. I just got it up for Yeah, 88 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:25,720 it's just this paper that I guess got him hired to positions in the government 89 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:32,360 the Obama administration, where he talks about how different ways to disrupt online alternative 90 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:39,319 media and conspiracy theorizing is to basically just flood it with fake conspiracies, just 91 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,639 a bunch of fake nonsense, and that's all over the place. Yeah, 92 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,360 I mean it doesn't obviously doesn't identify which ones are the fake conspiracies. Yeah. 93 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:54,319 The point here is to just you you don't combat these ideas directly, 94 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:59,319 because that would give too much credence. It's the best way to combat is 95 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,480 to really just flooded with disinformation, ridiculous conspiracies, get everybody debating idiot stuff, 96 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:11,279 and then you've neutralized the actual effectiveness of any of the conspiracy theories, 97 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:15,160 particularly movements like the nine to eleven movement. The main concern that the paper 98 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:20,120 has as its example is nine to eleven truth and the various ways to disrupt 99 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:26,480 the effectiveness of nine eleven truth and looking into all this research before nine to 100 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:31,120 eleven, going into the Audus Huxley's and Timothy Leary's, these certain agendas, 101 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:37,559 like what we're hearing about at the Miami NEPHLA Mall aliens. It kind of 102 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:43,879 is a great example of maybe something getting put on because all the news agencies 103 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:48,799 were saying the Miami aliens, and even that I believe it was Lansdale who 104 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:56,000 you've been talking about recently one of his operations where he wanted to do the 105 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,840 elimination by illumination the project Blue Beam asque situation. I think that was based 106 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,720 out of Miami too, not saying that there's a connection, but it sounds 107 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:13,440 right because the concern was Castro and confusing Castro in riling up Catholics to oppose 108 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:20,000 Castro by having the second Coming that's fake and staged, could proclaim Castro's Antichrist. 109 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,519 So it would definitely makes sense that that would be out of Miami. 110 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,840 I mean that was where the CIA was really using a lot of those The 111 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,440 big deep dive I've been going down is this John C. Lily, Yeah, 112 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:39,480 Illuminati Dolphins I call it over here is meta programming. I didn't know 113 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:46,200 how important that was to the social engineers until most recently. Lily describes quite 114 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:52,399 a bit in his Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer about ways to program 115 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,519 us at different levels in our psyche. So basically you kind of have these 116 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,039 base programs that he thinks in his evolutionary model kind of come out of basic 117 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,840 survival drives, and those are the lowest levels, and then you kind of 118 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,639 have stacked all the way up to your conscious, waking brain, other programs 119 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:13,320 that your biological software is running on, and so he theorizes that different means 120 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,679 and methods. It's almost an unreadable book, but the parts that you can 121 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:20,120 read and make out what he's talking about definitely plays into the possibility of future 122 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:24,399 transhumanist ideas. He was a pioneer and microchips in the brain. They were 123 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:30,480 doing a test with Lily's technology and experimentation not just with dolphins but also with 124 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:33,360 monkeys, implanting the microchip of the monkey's brain. He was a big part 125 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,639 of that. So I think, I mean, he's essentially one of these 126 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,240 other lesser known in k ultra figures. Yeah, this this book is pretty 127 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,720 wild because he thinks that. I mean, he basically says, yeah, 128 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,039 I've drugged children and reprogram them. I mean, this is pure evil. 129 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:54,279 So that's the mindset of these of these mad scientists, mad scientists connected to 130 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,440 the Esscellent Institute, as I believe he was teaching there, yes, towards 131 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,440 the end of his life. This hard to explain book because I try to 132 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,759 read, I can read it. You know, I'll go back to it 133 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:11,559 eventually, But I know that Timothy Leary got the eighth circuit model of consciousness, 134 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,799 which we like basing off of this, I believe, and then Robert 135 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:22,159 Anton Wilson's Prometheus Rising made it into more simplified four. Yes, I've read 136 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:26,000 that book. This book was nuts. It's crazy, yeah, and it 137 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,720 actually deals with dialectics and controlling and understanding. Basically posits that anytime you understand 138 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,240 both sides of a conflict, you're in this sort of illuminated position. And 139 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:39,559 if you never if you never choose a side, which is kind of silly, 140 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,720 but if you never choose a side, then you remain you know, 141 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:46,600 the enlightened Aluminist. Yeah. I think it reflects a lot of Krolly and 142 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:52,720 philosophy in that book. But speaking of Croley, let's get into some double 143 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:58,120 O seven stuff. I got to talk to Rick Spence most recently, Yes, 144 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,679 and he wrote the The Crowley aged six secret Agent sixty sixty six. 145 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:09,559 Carl Young was Agent four eight eight. But that's nuts. It makes perfect 146 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:15,519 sense though, because at that time the book that I'm reading and analyzing and 147 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:20,519 dissecting right now is Arran into the Wilderness Religion, the CIA, and there's 148 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:24,039 several chapters that touch on figures like Joseph Campbell, and thus it would make 149 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,799 sense that Carl Young in this exact same vein would be tasked with helping to 150 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:37,320 consult and write these various white papers and psychological operations because their philosophy is very 151 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,720 much a unifying philosophy of how to maybe even read all of religion under the 152 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:48,360 guise of psychological archetypes. And you know, the CIA, obviously the ouss 153 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,320 and then the CIA would find that very useful, very valuable, because they 154 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:56,559 become key movers and shakers in the Ahumanist one More religion movement. M Yeah, 155 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:03,039 I think that that whole John C. Lilly research is to reset this 156 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:09,840 autonomic nervous system by introducing all these schizogenics to the public while they're on their 157 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:18,000 AI phone, giving them the alien disclosures and they have some sort of shamanistic 158 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,360 experiment experience and whatnot for you. I mean, that's a good point. 159 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:30,519 Uh. And if you've seen that movie with John Cusack and uh Samuel L. 160 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,519 Jackson cell oh love them, it's about that. Yeah. Even there 161 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,440 was a guest appearance of the Toxic Avenger Lloyd Kaufman in that film, not 162 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,559 Toxy himself. But Lloyd Kaufman's right in the beginning. And I noticed that 163 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:52,120 the cell with John cusack uh Thus cell where they walking around the towers at 164 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,440 the end, right he turned the zombies. And you're saying, Lloyd Kaufman 165 00:13:56,519 --> 00:13:58,919 is that that scene or in the beginning of the movie. It's he's in 166 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,159 the beginning of the movie, which makes it okay, cool, makes me 167 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,639 think he was trauma was part of the whole blood Gore part Yeah, yeah, 168 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:13,000 okay, filming because you did film studies, correct. I took some 169 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,679 film classes, but my degree is in English and philosophy. Yeah, but 170 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:24,759 you do understand films, so well, yeah, I took a look at 171 00:14:24,799 --> 00:14:28,960 it from a literary perspective, so I'm not really technically studied in you know, 172 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,440 cinematography and cameras and all that kind of nerd stuff. I look at 173 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,399 it from the literary and you know, symbolic perspective and getting into you know, 174 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,879 various stories of Hollywood history and espionage and secret societies and how they all 175 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:50,519 kind of interrelate. Yeah, so they all interrelate, and double O seven 176 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:56,960 espionage, even the term I've never heard about sexpionage. I got another question 177 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,159 for you, I'm a pull upical. Well I made that up, I 178 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,279 think, although no, I take that back. There's a book called that 179 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,240 and then I just started saying that from the title of that book, so 180 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,000 technically no, I didn't make it up. Well, I learned it from 181 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:13,039 you. And the question I got for you, I wrote it down, 182 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:18,200 came prepared. Let me see where now, why isn't a point up? 183 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,279 I'll hear this. This is a really good interview because usually people don't ask 184 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,399 these kinds of questions and they don't have slides ready to go, So this 185 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:30,279 is it's a lot more fun than the usual sort of you gotta how far? 186 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:35,039 You know what I'm saying. Yo. If you enjoyed this content, 187 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,440 make sure to smash that like button and go support Jay Dyer. 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The information will pop up and you just fill it out and then 197 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,360 you access all these videos, especially like but let's get back into the video. 198 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:27,639 Yeah. So I think the timing is good because you know, Whitney 199 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:33,159 Webb has put out her two volume book on sexpionage, you know this one 200 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,639 which is that, and then the the Epstein volume, So those are good. 201 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:44,480 And then I just happened upon this old school nineteen nineties book that I 202 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:48,320 found somewhere. It's actually not sexpionage, so I guess I did make that 203 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:55,320 up anyway. I thought the title that book was actually sexpionage. But Yeah, 204 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,919 just did a podcast with Nick Bryant, and I know you were on 205 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:06,240 his show to everything is kind of curated for this podcast for you as well, 206 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,640 and the question I have espionage sexpionage. You talk about the swallow and 207 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:18,279 the raven, and in the truth or community people talk about numerology, secret 208 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,359 societies and the way the world actually operates is through espionage, and no one 209 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:29,640 wants to look at it except for you. Why is this so overlooked and 210 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:36,559 how does this espionage sexpionage rule the world? It's a good question. I 211 00:17:36,599 --> 00:17:41,759 think most people just aren't aware of this element of the power structure in our 212 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:48,160 society. If people think of power residing in entities like the government, even 213 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,359 though technically spying is I guess part of the government, but it may might 214 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,799 not always be. There are private entities that do it too, So I 215 00:17:55,839 --> 00:18:00,160 think people think of it like power is Joe Biden and rich people, but 216 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,200 they don't realize that. Yeah, but that power is exerted and ends are 217 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,440 accomplished by people who are the worker bees that go out and engage in the 218 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:14,920 activities that aid the power elite, and that principally is people who work in 219 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,640 intelligence work, so they serve a key role. Spying is like what the 220 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,160 second oldest profession supposedly after prostitutions, or is prostitution the second oldest orget what 221 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,079 it is? But the point is that this is the oldest thing that governments 222 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:30,359 and militaries do, is get intel and spy, So you would think it 223 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,440 would be more well known for whatever reason. It's not, I think because 224 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,480 people are dumbed down. We don't know how the system works. We're told 225 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:42,799 that the elected officials make all the decisions and run the show, and when 226 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:48,160 in fact, no, there's actually a shadow government, a group of people 227 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,079 that are represented by the national security establishment, who are the real shot callers 228 00:18:53,079 --> 00:19:02,880 and power exerters that most likely can trump unintended politicians. Right, they can 229 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,039 go around above and beyond politicians. And in fact, as probably many people 230 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,000 know about JFK, I mean, they can get rid of politicians if they 231 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,039 if they need be so. The thesis here is basically this that that inner 232 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,640 secret power structure really calls the shots. Uh, it's not Joe Biden, 233 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:26,079 and they work for more powerful, wealthy steering committees, builder Berg, you 234 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:30,160 know these kind these kinds of things are the top up there. Uh, 235 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,759 and then people on those boards, your brazensks, your kissingers, they're calling 236 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:40,240 the shots and telling them the spies and the NGOs, the intelligence agencies what 237 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,960 to do and what to enact. That's the real power structure versus the facade 238 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,559 front, this piece that everybody thinks runs things right, and the key arsenal 239 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,960 one of the key weapons in that arsenal, The key tools in that toolkit 240 00:19:55,559 --> 00:20:00,160 is blackmail, compromise and sexpionage, and that has come out in many, 241 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:06,680 many, many recent cases. So Savile in the UK, Franklin cover up 242 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,440 Epstein, right, and Puff Daddy two. Yeah, we did a podcast 243 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:14,960 about three weeks ago when we thought we were speculating that he might be sort 244 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:21,240 of the rap Epstein, and you know what's coming out allegedly is kind of 245 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:26,319 pointing in that direction. Bad Boy for Life. Oh man. So, 246 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:36,319 I don't know if you ever saw uh the band Tupac cover of the Caluminati 247 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:42,079 the Dawn Calluminati album before he was assassinated, but he had Puff Daddy up 248 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:47,400 on there an address. This is what I thought was interesting is that Agent 249 00:20:47,519 --> 00:20:55,200 four eight eight Carl Young, he was writing two MK Ultra Alan Doles. 250 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,400 Young was also at a famous institution the name of its Escaping Me. But 251 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,200 we've dug this up on one of our podcasts when we covered Cure for Wellness, 252 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,480 because the Cure for Wellness setting for the movie says, you know, 253 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:12,319 something about this reminds me of like it's like a Freud Young mixed type of 254 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:18,079 character. And turns out the place the institution in the movie, which is 255 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,519 kind of an mkulture type of movie, looks really similar to this institute where 256 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,759 Carl Young actually did a lot of his research and talk and talks and lo 257 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,359 and behold another prominent person that came and studied and did experimentation. There was 258 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,880 many, at least two or three other mkulture doctors, including you and Cameron. 259 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:42,119 That's it Bergolsy. And if you scroll down, it'll say all the 260 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:48,440 different people that worked at Bergolsy, and it's several mkulture people. Let's say, 261 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:52,599 see, there's Carl Young mentioned up there, Manfred Bueler Young, yes, 262 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:59,000 you and Cameron at the bottom ew and Cameron mk ultra wow wow. 263 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,039 Yeah. And this kind of reminds me of you know, the Esslin Institute, 264 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:07,279 Tavistock Institute, that's sort of the same kind of camp. Right with 265 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:14,640 Carl, I think, uh yeah, there's overlap because allus actually went and 266 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,839 spoke at Essln. But Esslin is more like a think tank for the New 267 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:25,720 Age and sixties counterculture movement, and this is like a legit like psyche acadetic 268 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:30,079 institute where they're like analyzing crazy people. You know En Brad did in Twelve 269 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,200 Monkeys type of thing, right right, Yeah, I mean it's it's so 270 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,200 interesting because I really like to go into the way you cover and your wife 271 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:42,759 the pop culture because I was so socially engineered throughout my life. Yeah, 272 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:49,160 we all are you and uh, it's just it's fascinating to live through something 273 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:55,839 like that and uh and whatnot. And I guess that kind of will bring 274 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,559 me to some more of a spiritual aspect because I lived through this whole counter 275 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:06,319 culture and got into all the different pharmaceuticals that were pushed and the only way 276 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,720 that I got away from that was through God and praying and whatnot. The 277 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:17,559 topic of angels and demons, I had this, I swear I had this 278 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:22,359 question written out to you before your show on Info Wars. Were you actually 279 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:29,279 titled it angels and demons? Right here? Angels and demons and the intelligence 280 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:33,119 Agencies? I kind of wanted to get a bird's eye view from somebody who 281 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,799 is well read as yourself, which is very rare to find someone to ask 282 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,759 these questions about angels and demons, spirit possession. We know these things are 283 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:48,559 real, but the only thing that we get is these like wika TikTok five 284 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:56,640 second clips of something or the celebrities doing some sacrifice ritual or the symbology of 285 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,880 Satan all over the place. Can you tell us what is going on? 286 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,400 What's your thoughts on all this going on spiritually? Well, I think that 287 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:11,440 spiritual realities affect us in the here and the now all the time. We 288 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,839 don't see all of that, but we see it manifested through the imagery, 289 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,039 the symbolism, and the actions of various people, whether they be influenced by 290 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,640 good spirits or influenced by evil spirits, So that manifests on our plane of 291 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:36,039 existence through you know, people intentionally let's say, doing evil actions or people 292 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:40,799 intentionally doing good. So the people, I think in a lot of these 293 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,480 circles of Hollywood entertainment, music industry, I think a lot of them probably 294 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:51,000 do take that seriously. Not everybody, obviously, there's a lot of atheists 295 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,599 there, but the ones that do take it seriously, I think they think 296 00:24:53,680 --> 00:25:00,920 that they really are getting power, projecting power, attracting attention, and a 297 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,400 lot of the occult writers talk about doing even Anton LaVey talks about kind of 298 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,960 becoming your own little god symbol that draws the attention and energy of masses of 299 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,119 people. And that actually empowers you and makes you a god, even if 300 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,000 you're not for all intents and purposes of God. If you can be seen 301 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,279 as a God, then you are pretty much a God. So you have 302 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,000 a lot of that discussed in those people. And then obviously a lot of 303 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,319 the Hollywood crowd actually does like Crole and they do like Anton Leavey and various 304 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,920 you know, occult philosophers and techniques kabbala, on on and on. So 305 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,079 I think a lot of that mysticism appeals not just too eccentric, you know, 306 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:48,000 celebrity types, but it also can appeal to intelligence agency types, which 307 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:55,039 can utilize those occult world used to manipulate people. And from the intelligence power 308 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,480 perspective of the establishment, they don't really care about which religion is true false. 309 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,599 They're concerned with how does this or that religion or cult give us the 310 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,440 ability to socially engineer, experiment, mind control people, steer them in various 311 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,759 directions, and use them to our to our benefit. And that's not just 312 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,079 weird cults. I mean that would apply to using the Catholic Church, trying 313 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,960 to use Muslims, trying to use you know, all kinds of religious filaws, 314 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:27,359 Christianity for the purpose of projecting American power. I mean, that's how 315 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,279 that's how the system sees religion as one of the one of the tools in 316 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:34,960 its toolkit. So I do think there are, you know, real spiritual 317 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:40,000 entities out there. But I think we can also go overboard in the other 318 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:45,440 direction by thinking that all the symbols are Illuminati, all the symbols are Satanic. 319 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,559 This is really kind of a silly, you know, kind of evangelical, 320 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,079 ridiculous, superstitious view of thinking that every time you see this symbol it 321 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,400 means this or that. So there's a lot going on in your question. 322 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,960 It's a very deep, difficult question, but I think all of these layers 323 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,400 and levels are the case. So you've got humans acting under various influences, 324 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,960 You've got power elits acting under influences, and then you've got a spiritual reality 325 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,720 that affects all those mm hmm. Yeah. It's kind of funny because you're 326 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:23,799 you're going to be in California and I was recently out there film and stuff 327 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:30,359 and the scientology stuff. It's like all over California, And I looked up 328 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,960 the from your listening to You and Isaac Show, I looked up the Bohemian 329 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:41,799 Grove that was trending that story. It's funny because there's an ad for Scientology 330 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,759 to watch something. I don't know what it is, but they Scientology had 331 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:51,720 a Super Bowl ad. So that so Scientology apparently had a Super Bowl ad. 332 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:56,119 That's interesting. Oh okay, Yeah. So you're going to be out 333 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:02,559 in Malabute, not really in Malabute, but California on the IDEs of March 334 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,960 with Jamie Kennedy, who I grew up. Jamie Kennedy has been in my 335 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:17,480 family's living room Wicked, smot Prankster, Family Friendly, which is so difficult 336 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:22,039 to be a comedian and impress my dad, who doesn't like any cuss words 337 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:29,160 or anything. You're gonna be with him and your wife, Hollywood Conspiracies and 338 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,200 comedy on the eydes of March. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's gonna 339 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,480 be fun. I mean, we had an event with him out there eight 340 00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:40,039 months ago. It was a lot of fun. This was his idea, 341 00:28:40,119 --> 00:28:45,440 he said, that's dad adamant. So you know, now we're working on 342 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,200 trying to, you know, get people to come out to this event. 343 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,640 It's fun. Our events are very unique because we do five hours of stuff. 344 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,599 So you know, I do kind of a ten twenty minute silly impression 345 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680 stand up type of thing, and then we have Jamie, my wife, 346 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,480 doing a exture on Hollywood symbolism, film symbolism. I do a lecture. 347 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,880 Last time I did philosophy. This time I'll be doing more sexpionage, geopolitics 348 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,119 type of a talk. And then Jamie does his twenty minute stand up set 349 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:17,200 a lot of fun, and we do book signings and all that. So 350 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:21,200 yeah, it's gonna be a fun event in March fifteenth in La. Yeah, 351 00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:25,000 make sure everybody click the links down below. I got Jay Dyers all 352 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,640 of his YouTube links, and I don't want you to go. I'm just 353 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,519 doing the picture, you know what I mean. Click the links down below. 354 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:36,680 I got you gotta go to the show. I definitely I'm gonna. 355 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,319 I'm most likely going to be there, but I'm in Arizona, so I'm 356 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:41,640 trying. I've been talking to my dad about it. Who doesn't want to 357 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,799 me? Be rad I mean you can meet me be traffic traffic look it 358 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:52,920 for my chapstick. Yeah. I want to be you and your wife and 359 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:57,799 get them autographs on these books. You both do fantastic research make sure to 360 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:04,880 go subscribe to Ja Dyers YouTube and go get your event tickets right now. 361 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,079 What are you waiting for? Go out there and get it. Yes, 362 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:14,480 yes, And on your website, I want to order some books. Would 363 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,000 they be autographed too? Yeah? Everything on the website's autograph You go to 364 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,440 the shop at the top left there. Okay, uh yeah, everything comes 365 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,240 to Jamie's my wife as well. Everything signed. So that's the advantage of 366 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,680 getting it from is a link network or something? Oh yeah? So yeah, 367 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,559 there's my two Hollywood books, her two Hollywood books, and then my 368 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:41,039 two philosophy books and a couple other things there. So yeah, okay, 369 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,559 I'm gonna ordered these tonight because I need to get that autograph. And you 370 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,720 got the Tragedy and Hope book right there, Well, that's my lecture series. 371 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,799 So some people don't want to be subscribers to the website, so yeah, 372 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,880 so they have the option of just buying my Tragedy Hope lectures. So 373 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:02,519 okay, So now I got some questions to act ask you about the lectures. 374 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:07,039 First with Plato, Well, I guess it's not about the lectures, 375 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:14,039 but Plato's republic. One of the questions I had written down is you've read 376 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,400 the global elite texts and the you know, the Guardian class, the Rhodes 377 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:25,599 Scholars, the elite in their idea in Plato's Republic. Within their moral framework, 378 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,480 it's okay to have a noble lie for their utopian smart cities. I 379 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,079 guess I could tie it into today. Can you tell us what is on 380 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:41,119 the minds of H. G. Wells Berton Russell's creating a scientific technocracy new 381 00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,279 world order? Why do they want that? And what are these people all 382 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:51,640 about? Priests of power, mad science. I think they're all about, 383 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:59,200 uh, you know, projecting their worldview by any means possible and achieving it 384 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,559 by any means possible. Well so, Merchant Russell says very clearly that the 385 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,200 model for the coming new world order technocratic dictatorship is Plato's Republic. He says 386 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,480 it explicitly in Impact of Science on Society. A lot of the same stuff 387 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,759 repeated in this other famous book, Scientific Outlook, which also talks extensively about 388 00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,200 the future technocratic world government. Even though you'll see things like, oh, 389 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,200 but he criticized Stalinism, Yeah, but again he believes in In fact, 390 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,160 in other books he praises the Bolsheviks and the bullshit Revolution. So this is 391 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:37,160 not somebody who's an illegitimate liberal unless you understand liberalism to be like Fabian socialism 392 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:43,559 and depopulation. So basically all these people are Malthusians. They all want total 393 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:51,839 technocratic control cbdc's tracking, tracing, everything managed by centralized computers and technocrats, 394 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,400 I mean these and it quickly has the same thing in the middle chapter of 395 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,359 Tragy and Hope. So that's what they want, and that's what they're about 396 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:05,359 the middle chapter. Thank you for sharing that, the middle chapter of Tragedy 397 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,960 and Hope, because you right, looka it's so heavy. Oh my goodness, 398 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:15,839 Carol Quigley, Bill Clinton's advisor, you talk about Oh there you talk 399 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,440 about Carol. That what I love that I'm not talking about about a Bill. 400 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,519 I'm not talking about about him there. I wasn't talking about about him 401 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:29,279 Bill. But in the middle of this book, this is what took me 402 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:37,759 to really dive deep into Jay Dyer's apex research, is that in the middle 403 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,480 you just pointed out, in the middle of this big ass book, he 404 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:45,279 breaks down the uh, the left right paradigm. Is that what's going on. 405 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,559 No, the middle of the book is the chapter about the coming future 406 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:54,240 managerial society run by technocrats and big giant computers. Later, I mean, 407 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,720 he may talk about the controlled opposition that I don't remember, but if you 408 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,400 get towards the end of the book, around on page nine hundred one thousand, 409 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,400 he starts talking about the establishment funding the liberal side of things as well 410 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,880 as the conservative side of things. So yeah, he explicitly says any identifies 411 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,360 the entities that you heard me mention like Trilateral Commission, cfr way to mention 412 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,760 tarlateral because when that book came out, Trilateral didn't exist yet. But those 413 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,760 are the types of entities that he's talking about, and by extension, the 414 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,800 intelligence agencies. So wow. And he also brought up Anglo American establishment in 415 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,079 his other book. I know, I'm asking you so many questions. I 416 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,960 want to get wicked smart over here. That's that's what I want. You 417 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,039 don't want to know in ways that that book is even more revelatory than Tragedy. 418 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,599 Note they're both necessary and they complement one another. But here he's just 419 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,679 talking about more so the power structure itself, how it functions, and its 420 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,480 origins, and it comes out of the Rhodes, Milner, Rawschild, Roundtable 421 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,800 groups, the Milners Society, the Society Elects, Secret Society that Cecil Roads 422 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,159 came up with that he put into his last Will and testament. People like 423 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,559 John Ruskin, tyinbe h G. Wells, all of these people are reflecting 424 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:17,880 this paradigm in the book and how it's structured coming out of Cambridge, Oxford, 425 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,360 Eton London School of Economics eventually, which is a Fabian institution, and 426 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:30,159 then the alliances that they made with the Eastern Seaboard establishment in America, particularly 427 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,679 the noble ignoble universities Princeton, Yale, Harvard, which is where we get 428 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,719 the os S and CIA. That's typically called the Eastern Seaboard elite. And 429 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,039 those entities combined with Wall Street in the banking sector make up, and the 430 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:50,639 industrialists like the Rockefellers, the JP Morgan's, Vanderbilts and so forth, that's 431 00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:54,599 the Anglo American establishment, all those entities, and you could argue by by 432 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,480 extension, and the way that they rule is the round table grapes, which 433 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:04,519 are mirror on the English Royal and super International affairs. So the r i 434 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:09,000 A is the roundtable group that is the model for the American establishment of the 435 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,239 Council on Foreign Relations, so that they're mirrored. And that's that is the 436 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:20,000 Eastern Seaboard Atlantis establishment has nothing to do with Atlantis, just the Atlantis establishment. 437 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,519 That's the power block. And of course nowadays, obviously Israel, which 438 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:28,559 actually was created by modern Israel's created by these people. There's a whole chapter 439 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,000 that I covered recently in Tragy Hope on the establishment of the modern nation state 440 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,400 of Israel. It's all the same people. So you could say the Anglo 441 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,079 American Israeli power block right right, and it's a whole deep dive right there. 442 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:49,760 The balveboard decoration with the rob Child also the little Mustache Man connections too, 443 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:54,679 are very Yeah, there's two important chapters in appeasement and then the funding 444 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,480 of Hitler and Tragy and Hope. Those two chapters are really important because I 445 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,400 think it's two billion dollars from the Bank of England and France to support Tonny 446 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,599 mustache Man. That's so wild. That's so wild. And you can learn 447 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:14,679 all this over on your website on these lectures right here. Yeah, subscribers 448 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,119 get access to all that. But then sometimes people just want, you know, 449 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,519 the Tragy and Hope talk so you can get that, or they just 450 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,800 want to talk on Plato's Republic, so you can buy those those that lecture 451 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,480 series as well. But yeah, I tend to, you know, obviously 452 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,840 produce a lot more of these. There's a lot of books I want to 453 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480 get to them and gotten to yet there's never ending you know, writings of 454 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,639 the global elite to go through. So so yeah, Brave New World, 455 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,360 that's a classic one. That's an old one there. I think there's a 456 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:44,119 better updated Brave New World that we've done where quite Frankly and I went through 457 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:49,599 four or five podcasts that covers the entire Brave New World, so that that's 458 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,400 an old twenty eighteen analysis which is still relevant. But Frank and I just 459 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,320 went so deep that I would actually recommend people listen to all four of the 460 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,079 of the Frank podcast because there's actually so much in Brave New World that when 461 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:06,079 I did that podcast years ago, there's things I missed, and so re 462 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,519 doing Brave New World last year, so many things I noticed that that I 463 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:14,679 totally missed. I remember reading this in elementary school and it was like the 464 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,880 first red pill. I really enjoyed that book and it's out as Huxley, 465 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,440 right, who wrote that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and then 466 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,440 he says later on this is, you know, in Brave New World revisited. 467 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:30,039 It's just an actual plan that people have it. It's not a pure 468 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:35,599 fiction novel. There was an article that came out yesterday and it was about 469 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,800 the decline of people having intercourse. I don't know the right way to bring 470 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:47,000 up a weird topic like this, and they quotated the Brave New World kind 471 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,920 of connecting it, and I thought it was interesting saying that Huxley's Brave New 472 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,119 World was right. Our addiction to amusement is what will lead the decline of 473 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:02,559 civilization. So like talking about the dopamine we get from this, people don't 474 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:07,679 want to make. Yeah, the difference there being that between nineteen eighty four, 475 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:14,320 where you have this heavy handed, miserable scenario of a dystopia, Huxley 476 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,960 said, no, no, it will be much better to control people if 477 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,440 you give them pleasure for their enslavement. So if you're pleasurably enslaved, you're 478 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,800 a much better slave than people who are, you know, just have the 479 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:29,519 hammer, the iron hammer brought down on them. So yeah, I think 480 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:35,039 that that is an apt point to make and critique to make that or well 481 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,679 got that part wrong. But there's other places that nineteen eighty four gets totally 482 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:43,840 correct that Huxley doesn't get correct. So both books compliment one another, I 483 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480 think in the end, or well as they ended up being a better human 484 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:52,119 being than Huxley. Huxley I think was pretty much part of this whole system 485 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:57,039 and thought ultimately that it's just what's necessary because he promotes all the stuff that 486 00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:01,320 the dystopia you know is about. You know, he believes in he's you 487 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,760 know, in the royal society circles, he believes in depopulation. He promotes 488 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:13,000 everybody you know, getting some kind of new psychedelic experience as the replacement for 489 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,719 religious sacraments. So he literally says that just go trip acid, do ayahuasca, 490 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,840 don't go to church. I mean, it's it's just promoting all the 491 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,440 basic ideas the establishment. But people think Norman's think, oh he's so chunter 492 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:31,519 counter establishment. Doctor Spence theorizes the Diary of a Drug Fiend actually influences Huxley, 493 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:37,559 which influences then mkult. Yeah, I fell for it. I fell 494 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:42,679 for it, and uh, it's Uh, you fell for what like psychedelics 495 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:44,480 and that whole stuff. Is that what you mean or what do you mean 496 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,159 you fell for it for the Uh? Yeah, for just the whole gangster 497 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:57,440 culture of smoking weed, smoking, blinds, drinking, and what it was 498 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,519 missed. What I was actually searching for was God. And that's at the 499 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:08,440 end of the And that's what Carl Young said about alcoholism is like, I 500 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:15,719 don't remember exactly what he said, but there that's my experience is praying to 501 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,519 get over addiction is what worked. And Carl Young was talk about that too. 502 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,800 Okay, Yeah, So there's a couple more things I want to bring 503 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,679 up before the top of the hour. I don't know if they're really questions, 504 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,920 just more of what I thought was so interesting because I did get to 505 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:37,679 talk to Nick Bryant and I watched your show with him, and you brought 506 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,920 up something that I never heard about. And I've been looking into all these 507 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:50,119 topics and Michael Lequino wrote this from syop to mind War and you kind of 508 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:53,639 talked about it just a little bit, but talking about frequencies the elf waves, 509 00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:59,840 I thought that was interesting. I have a lot of research into electro 510 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:07,800 magnetics and Tesla stuff and naval research into microwaves and lasers. I mean that's 511 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,679 all pretty public and easy to verify. But what's going on And even John 512 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,320 C. Lilly that we mentioned earlier, he was studying a lot of brain 513 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,480 waves and you know how this works in terms of not just human brain waves, 514 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,840 but electricity and all of that, because they're trying to find ways to, 515 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,360 you know, like Jose Delgado did, put chips in heads and control 516 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:34,519 them. So that famous essay about psychological warfare on the part of the Army 517 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,079 that Michael Akino wrote, who was a famous Satanist and founder of the Temple 518 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:40,480 of Set, Yeah, when you get to end of that paper, he 519 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:46,719 starts talking about how frequencies resonate and what they disrupt, what they can do 520 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,159 to be applied to psychological warfare and fifth generational warfare, I guess is eventually 521 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,039 what it ends up being called. So yeah, I mean it's all real. 522 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,960 The same types of things are mentioned in the recent NATO cognitive warfare doc 523 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,079 documents. In fact, Rain Corporation has a document that I just there's so 524 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,719 many of these, Like you never there's always a new one. There's a 525 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,880 random one that just that I just found today from Maria z that was like 526 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,079 cyborgs, transhumanism, and something Ran Corporation all talking about the same stuff. 527 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:19,119 So yeah, so I think that, you know, the reality is that 528 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,599 this stuff is real. Unfortunately, you know, kind of like we talked 529 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,159 about what we talk about with the cast sunset stuff is when you start talking 530 00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:30,320 about this, then it turns into this ridiculous thing of the target individuals and 531 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,559 it's all about the government's microwaving me from space and all of which is probably 532 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,519 not true. You know, I don't think the government that concerned with random 533 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,440 homeless people that live in a band down with the river, you know, 534 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:45,800 but they do care about studying this stuff to implement it through you know, 535 00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:51,679 nanotech maybe or through the eventual sky new system that they want to put into 536 00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,920 place. So you know, Klaus talks about that and then the last third 537 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,039 of his twenty eighteen for the Notion Revolution books. So yeah, all this 538 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,079 is real, and when you read the actual literature, you start to realize 539 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:07,360 that not every targeted individual is correct because a lot of those people, unfortunately 540 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,400 have mental problems and they have a lot of you know, schizophrenia in that 541 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:15,159 domain. But there are electromagnetic energy directed energy weapons, and they do study 542 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:20,000 that to try to perfect it, I think on a large scale, so 543 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,039 I don't think they're primarily concerned with individuals with that. I guess one last 544 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,639 topic I want to bring up. It's just not a question, but just 545 00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:32,679 something that I thought was interesting, as the Phoenix Program. I've never even 546 00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,760 heard about the Phoenix Program, and you and I believe Nick Bryant were talking 547 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,159 about it and how it was pretty much creating I think it was him that 548 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,880 said it pretty much creating serial killers. I don't know if you ever went 549 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,800 down some of the dumb rabbit holes with serial killers, going back to Jack 550 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:58,000 the Ripper. I have a multiple podcasts on serial killers and the Phoenix Program 551 00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,840 and all of that. So I did, I think two years ago an 552 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,119 episode on Douglas Valentine's book Phoenix Program. He's sort of the one that first 553 00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:07,679 wrote kind of a big fat book about it. Other people have talked about 554 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,840 it in their literature and their books. Dave McGowan program to Kill talks about 555 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,760 it, and that's one of the things that McGowan's sites as part of his 556 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,000 thesis as to how some of these serial killers of the seventies and eighties might 557 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,719 have been vets from the Phoenix Program. At least a couple of them we 558 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:28,639 know were you know, stationed in Vietnam. So that's a theory about serial 559 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,400 killers. It seems plausible at least in some cases. Not every serial killer 560 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,880 is a mind controlled Phoenix Program operator, but it does seem plausible in some 561 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,679 cases as far as I can tell. But yeah, I have many many 562 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,639 I've got multiple podcasts on you know, the main serial killers that you could 563 00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,000 think of. Phoenix Program is not just like the serials. It's a lot 564 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:52,519 of operations that were going on to terrorize the viet Cong. And in terms 565 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:58,519 of what Lansdale was doing in the Philippines with you know, the Chupacabra, 566 00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:02,519 vampire whatever, crypt you have the same kind of stuff that I think, 567 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:07,360 Yeah, that thing, I think he took that because he went to Vietnam 568 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,159 and it looks like he was probably involved in the Phoenix Program, So I 569 00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:13,119 think he took some of those techniques and they applied that. For example in 570 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:17,199 the Philippines, he had the idea to drain corpses of all their blood. 571 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,199 And you'll find when the Phoenix Program assassins are trained, they're told to do 572 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,760 very similar types of things, to use the Eye of God Siap technique. 573 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,280 So yeah, I went pretty But the thing about Vietnam they have to remember 574 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,480 is that it's not just Phoenix Program stuff like I mean, the CIA was 575 00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,719 doing all kinds of experimentation, a Rank corporation was doing research and development. 576 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,719 A lot of the Vietnam War was run out of Michigan. CIA was using 577 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,159 Michigan State University, if I recall, there's old chapter on that in Valentine's 578 00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:51,760 book. So they were doing a lot of experimentation and research there. So 579 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:57,960 some of the research dealt with how to reorganize and move large populations. Some 580 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,679 of the research helped to create homeland security. Coming out of my own some 581 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,840 of the studies about training militants and guerrilla warfare is then translated to the School 582 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:15,079 of the Americas, Nicaragua, CIA operations to train contras and so forth. 583 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,480 So and it ends up being kind of the pattern of valentine argues for the 584 00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:25,519 War on Terror and the ideas of how CIA trained Mujahadeen and al Qaeda would 585 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:30,679 operate. Phoenix Program is kind of a loose thing that kind of morphs perhaps 586 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:38,119 into the programs used with these sort of wild Muslim radicals. Wow, well 587 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:46,079 we are here with APEX researcher Jay Dyer. Got all your links down down 588 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:51,119 below. Go subscribe to his YouTube channel, get wick A Smott, go 589 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,920 to the event on the IDEs of March March fifteenth. Jamie Kennedy, Jamie 590 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,800 Hanshaw, Jay Dyer, get your autograph, much love, everybody, anything 591 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,760 else you like that? Uh, you remind me of a young be real 592 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,760 from Cyrus Hilt. Have you ever been told Yeah, that's my dad. 593 00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:12,960 It's not really, but that's Have you ever been told that? Yeah, 594 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:19,119 that's the long running joke and bang bang Yeah, so what I wear the 595 00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:24,159 glasses? Yeah, but he's also great interview, a lot of fun. 596 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,039 Yeah, we'll have to do another one. Yes, all right, everybody, 597 00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:32,199 much love and God bless you. Thanks dude, Thank you,