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And welcome back to Life MMA and
the NBA. I'm your host, DJ

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san Marco. As I said,
it is a huge night on the show

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because we have somebody very special coming
on. Somebody that is somebody I would

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call the Tom Brady of reality TV
and docuseries analysis. I think that's a

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fitty, pretty fair characterization. Wow, she is none other than Welcome back

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to another episode of Reality Life.
Kay, Casey, hoped you had a

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great week. So party people,
please put your hane for Westchester, PA's

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own Oh boy, Hey Casey,
can I just tell you When I hear

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it's raining men, its it fires
me up in a way I can't even

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explain. I've been performing that at
every wedding for approximately twenty years. Maybe

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it's like people just look for they
start the music and I could be in

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the corner and then it's like a
spotlight is on me, and then like

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someone will just hand me a microphone. I've destroyed weddings, I've enhanced the

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wedding. It's been varied with that
song. And so my birthday one year,

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my husband threw me a surprise party
that wasn't a surprise. I showed

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up in a costume. He threw
me a party, but he had this

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eighties band com and they never let
anybody perform with them, and they let

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me sing that with them, and
it was like a high achievement. And

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then that band went on to win
the Gong Show. What oh what band

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is it? Is it? Do
they wear the suits? The yeah?

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Yeah yeah no. They were like
meatball huggers with afros and tank tops and

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they're called flash pans. Yes,
yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

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And then then they came back a
year later and played at my husband's

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Christmas party for his company, and
it was like Mercury's Rise In. And

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then it was like they just leaned
forward and handed me the microphone and I

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and I didn't know I was pregnant
either, and I was wasted. Let

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me just tell you it was a
night of dreams. I love it.

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I love it, man. You
know. I always said if I could

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have an all Jewish band in high
school, I would have called it a

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flock of bagels. But love that
I would like a band. And I

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like to call it visceral Taco.
What that is awesome? You're gonna tell

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me there's not a band in the
San fernand No Valley. You name that

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No, that is crazy man.
Welcome to Kate Reality Life with Kate Casey's

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host, the Amazing Kate Casey.
It's such an honor to have you,

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Kate, and thank you. And
so I didn't know you were a performer,

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like you're willing to so sober you
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yea. I have had many people
in my day they say this, are

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you or in cocaine? I'm like, I've actually never gotten done and drag

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in my life and they're like that
is. There was one night where my

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friends invited me to a military ball. I'm invited to a lot of parties

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that I crash. I have crashed
Saint Joacom's Catholic school party. Next thing

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I know, Sister Kathleen's asking me
to announce the Rafael winners. Like I

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just show up. You don't know
these and people are like do your kids

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go to school here? And I'm
like, no, they don't. I

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don't know how this happened, but
I got invited to a military ball in

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San Diego and I call it the
Night of the Unfortunate Karaoke Incident because the

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band and let me sing with them
and I did this sort of karate kick

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off the seat and I landed and
then I couldn't get back up nice and

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I had a black and blue angle
for quite some time for it, but

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it was worth it. Oh my
god, joy and entertainment. I do

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like you bring up a good point
because I do feel like I live in

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two different vortex where I'm like,
I can be so serious about something,

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but people should know that I'm ridiculous, Like I am ridiculous, like I

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will do the craziest stuff. Yeah. I had a whole series of photos

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for a long time where I would
imitate celebrity photos and put their outfits on

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like mimic like Kim Kardashian's offits.
But then I was a bummer because then

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I found out this Australian group comedian
nymed Celeste Barber was doing them too,

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but she went viral and I didn't, So then people would troll me and

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say like you're or like ripping hers
off. But I actually did it before

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her, but she went viral.
I did it, so now I'm like,

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I'm not gonna do it anymore.
But I am ridiculous. I know

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people think I'm super serious. I'm
actually not to the extent that you would

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appear in a podcast with a host
that has a tie die dress shirt exactly.

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I was accused by Will of raiding
Bill Walton's closet, which I didn't

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I and they wouldn't even fit me
even if I did Bill, But I

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would go See The Dead with him
or Crosby Stills, Nash or anything like

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that. But yeah, so this
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no idea that you were a performer
that you would stand up in front of

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because I dream of doing that.
I did stand up comedy for a little

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bit too. You did. Yeah, I would perform with Heather McDonald.

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Oh my god, I weird.
I I tell people I'm missing a chip

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in my head where like I don't
care about speaking, Like I'm so ready

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at all times to public speak,
like to the point where I would go

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to church and I'd be like judging
the priest. I'm like, I'm better

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than that. I'm like I can
do that. Like this blows. I

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gotta blow this taco stand. So
when I was in college, Trinity University's

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own it's actually Trinity Trinity College's own, the Trinity College, and I was

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asked to speak at the Democratic Caucus. I'm like twenty years old, okay,

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And so that's when all the Democratic
congressman and senators meet on stage and

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they talk about there. So I'm
on c SPAN. Sam Donaldson's in the

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back of the room and I'm one
of the speakers and I went up.

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My mom almost shit her pants because
I'm next to Senator Kennedy, Oh my

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god, Rockefeller. Now Nancy Pelosi, who went to my college. She's

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over on the other side, and
so is Barbara Kennelly, who was also

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Trinity grad and was a congressman from
Connecticut. So anyway, I go up

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and I give my speech. And
I walked up like I own. I

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was like, what's up? And
I remember I opened up the joke.

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I said, I called my teach
professor this morning. You told her,

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I went, why I wouldn't be
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I think she thought I was lying. So you guys, and I said,

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you guys had to back me up. And then like everyone laughed,

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and my mom was like, you
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Anyway, long story short is if
there is an audience like I'm there.

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I was actually watching the news tonight
and was watching the impeachment trough and

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I was judging them. I was
judging them. I was like, performance

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is this ship? I could have? Like Nit, I could have killed

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it anyway, Kate, I going
way off topic. You guys are no,

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No, this is this is where
we wanted to go. I'm not

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saying I'm like, I'm like,
I'm not being braggadocious. I'm just saying

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this. I know my lane.
I can't build a piece of furniture to

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save my life. I can't do
it on the patients. I don't want

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to do it. I don't want
to sit and play barbies. It's not

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my alley. I know where my
lane is. And that's all I'm saying

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public speaking. Kate is she's she's
blonde in Caucasian and I'm Chinese, Mexican

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and not blonde. But we may
have been separated at birth with some of

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these things. Nick, Nick,
are you ready right now to vote for

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Kate for literally any office? Can
you? By the way, can you

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believe I went to college and I
actually thought i'd run for office. My

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husband, yes, he's like,
you would be the worst politician because you

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would have no filter. I'm like, I disagree. I feel like I

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could read it in when I need
to, but I would do the SmackDown

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in a way that other people I
wouldn't be as nice, Like, listen,

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I'm glad my kids are not on
this call because I got to tell

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you. They would tell you a
different story. They'd be like, my

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mo so fricking mean, and I
am I am. But there was a

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time where I thought, God,
I would just be like killing it in

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like a senator position, like senatorial
position or like president. But then I

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was like, my parents are so
weird that would not probably work out.

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Oh, the story of your dad
was I was debating whether or not to

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bring that up because Kate on her
podcast was talking about Alec Balden's wife had

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decided that she's from Spain, and
so Kate related the story about her dad.

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Would you be willing to share that
story because it was so funny.

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So my father's name is Paul William
of Paul. He's been Paul his whole

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life. Well, I didn't see
him from the time I was very little,

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like I maybe saw him two times
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I was like and then I didn't
see him until my sister tracked him down

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when I was thirty three years old. So my sister's like found him,

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nailed it, let's go meet him. I'm like, I don't know about

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this, but she convinced me to
go to Philadelphia and it was a shit

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show of up proportions. He looked
like the unifomer and he's the kicker is

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he has now reinvented himself as Liam, because remember his name is William Paul.

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But now he's really like very he
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So my grandmother's family was from England, my dad's is from Ireland.

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But like generations ago, this dude
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us he has an Irish accent and
we were like kitty and he's like he

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takes us to the library. He
throws out all these photos and he's like

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showing us all these pictures of Ireland. I'm like, where am I and

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all these pictures. He did not
have any pictures of me at all at

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all. He was like thought that
was normal, which now in hindsight,

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I'm like, because I did an
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hour and people wrote me back they're
like, I think your dad's on a

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spectrum. I'm like that, actually
that makes a lot of sense because he

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doesn't understand social cues. Like we
talked for a half hour or no,

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like an hour, and I said, do you are you interested in knowing

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anything about me? Like where I
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what I like to eat, And
he's like uh huh, but then never

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ask any questions. So anyway,
that could be point. But anyway,

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long story short is he now goes
by the name Liam. And so my

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husband finally meets him and he's telling
me stories and my sister was married at

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the time. My brother in law's
like this, dude's crazy. I'm like,

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yeah, buckle up, buddy.
Okay. So he's over there with

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my husband, who is my husband's
like the nicest person that walk here.

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So he's looking at a computer and
he's explaining to him that he was involved

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with the Irish peace process and that
he was in it. Oh no,

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and then he said, let me
play this for you, and then he

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puts in because this is back in
the day where you can actually put a

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disc in your computer, and he
starts playing this dot He's like, well,

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this is a documentary about the Irish
peace process. And then I hear

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the voice of Bono Bono is narrating
this documentary. And then my father says,

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you can hear his voice and he's
talking about being in a tower when

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it was bombed. I'm like,
this, dude, it's fine in a

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freaking documentary. So I said,
you were were you actually in the tower?

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And then Dan says were you in
the tower? And he winks at

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him. He goes, it's just
Hollywood. No, it's a documentary.

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He's a documentary, documents pieces of
history. It's just like it's like non

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stop with him, and I'm like, oh my god. He tells people

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he went to boarding school in Galway. I said, you went to Radnor

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Height or Great Valley High School in
Melbourne, Pennsylvania. Because it's a track

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picture. Okay, so I just
it's not true, kid, It's not

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true. I tell you it's I
mean, I couldn't he like leaves me

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the voicemailst constantly in this with this
Irish brogue, and it's just like at

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this point, like whatever, I
love it. Can I There's one other

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story that I don't know if I
was going to squeeze this into the housewives

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conversation. So I want to just
get it out there now, because I

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was nearly crying when Kate described this. Basically, she describes being in a

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restaurant. I don't know if it
was in Newport or not. And one

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of the new housewives from r HOC
was I believe it was miss miss uh

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I can't remember her name now,
Elizabeth Vargas right, And supposedly she's working

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the room and you're describing how she's
working the room like she's sort of a

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Hollywood star and she hasn't even appeared
on film yet. Uh and that,

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uh, you know what. But
it reminded me of Megan Sylvester and Meghan

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Gardner in college, how they would
walk into the Irish Times and they would

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do this trick and it was such
a killer trick. I really recommend this

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to all single people. They would
walk into the Irish Times and they would

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go watch this and they would go
in and just pretend that they were like

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waving up and they're like, dudes, love this, Dudes love it.

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They think that we're like so hot, and they were right because they've been

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like they walking they'd be like to
nobody, no one, But then guys

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were like, oh my god,
these girls are cool. It reminded me

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of that. It was because she
was like, hey, what's up,

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what's up? And no one was
like everyone was like who is she?

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Like, I don't know, So
it was pretty funny. But the tie

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in, remember the tie in about
her in the tech industry and your husband's

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company, so we that's that's that
was the real kicker, So please,

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Well, I think it just kind
of encapsulates the delusion of most of the

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women that are participatory in these shows. They're cast for this reason. Is

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that I'm talking to this sweet guy
that Dan works, that works for Dan,

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and he's just couldn't be nicer,
and he's just talking about I've got

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a girlfriend. I will tell me
about your girlfriend's telling me a little bit

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like are you guys gonna have kids? No, we're no, no,

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no, no, we're not gonna
have kids. We're not gonna have kids.

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And then in she walks and she's
like doing this thing, and then

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he goes, oh, that's my
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the new one. I went,
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over and she just didn't ask us
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arrived, and so I'm in the
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what so? And then so her
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worked for Dan. And I think
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head of the department or something,
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looked Jimmy and I are very very
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very like technology and like going on
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like who your audience? Man,
like what away? And we were like

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what just happened? And we just
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and we're like googling. We're like
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what is she talking? It was
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is what I deal with all the
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like what what. It's just like
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they don't really like ask and you
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so you're it's like there's no receiving
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only it's like a one sided conversation
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life Instagram post. It would be
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and I was like, well,
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cheers podcast industry. He'd be like, yeah, dude, you're like not

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me. Or like Joe Rogan who
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go to Spotify. Yeah, oh, mister Rogan, I've never met you,

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but I I'm a big star.
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if you would just just a little
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hockey player. I know you played. I played the ship out of this.

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could be you know, maybe this
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think so. I believe and have
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let's say that I would have been
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am a maniac. When I like, when I focus on something, I'm

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like, do not mess with me. I have that focus. But I've

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always loved sports, and as my
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play hockey, and I would wonder
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like I would like go after the
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five kids. I've got one kid
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like she'll take someone down. So
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and then I played in college.
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the door of opportunity. Milton Hershe
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own, so they started as school
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of trust in nineteen seventy six to
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there go for free, and you
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emotionally financially needy. So most of
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orphaned or from single parent families,
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so I went there for high school. It was great, and then I

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went to college in DC for Polly
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firm that represented former senators that had
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that's kind of how I fell into
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that for about fourteen years. At
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my own firm, and I specialized
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global law firms. So then I
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friend said, you know, you
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and you like love all this pop
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and then so I started this blog
that kind of took off, and I

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would do television recaps and then I
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and then I thought I could do
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to a network, the idea of
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or excuse me, tracking down reality
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change the trajectory of your life?
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and I knew I wanted to structure
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where there's a front, like a
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a guest in the featured guest and
then a segment where I'm asking a rando

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to review a show, and then
a close all with the hope that it

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was like a love letter to reality
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include docuseries and documentaries because because I've
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you know, sort of expanded over
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I was a girl who thought she
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legal pr I was a young woman
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my own and then I transitioned into
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I'm hoping that this experience will be
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to help me produce television shows.
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that now that the idea you came
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actually going to happen. According to
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Roth, is it Rothschild's Child Rothschild, and she was mentioning that, Uh,

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I don't know if it was Andy
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reboot Real Housewives of oc which is
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uh, but you did actually make
a detour, you actually got off the

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bus. You were at the White
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oh yeah that's right. Yeah,
I was for the Cross Office. I

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went and did all the clips for
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When the Monica Lewinsky story broke.
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Diana died. And I remember the
next morning like cutting the newspapers of all

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these papers, and it was like
she's gone, you know, Diana's gone.

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It was like all over. That
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had to go and I'm I'm not
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was Dag Dag. He was my
boss, and he hated me because I

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would cut the clips and then I
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say, you need to redo them
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like, gotta be kidding me.
President Clinton is like, let me just

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go through this, throw it away. He doesn't give a ship, right,

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a nutty time. That was super

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nutty. Yeah. I could see
how like a position like that would kind

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of slip your mind. I don't
know if but anyway, well, I

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don't know because For me, it's
not the big deal because I have so

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many friends that stayed in politics and
they're so incredible that I feel like my

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dumb story to his care Like my
high school classmate was the social secretary for

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President Obama? What have you done
lately? Kate? Oh? I talked

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to somebody from The Bachelor, like, you're you're you know, you're you're

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so amazing that what you what you
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been they're probably sick of hearing me. Now they're like they're they're like totally

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on board, but they were probably
sick of hearing your name. Am I

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right? Guys? I I was. I was talking to these two guys

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earlier and was saying, what is
the show opening? I was saying,

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TJ has a top three list of
wants on the podcast. Number one Lebron

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James, number two Casey. That's
so nice. I'm actually I'm actually surprised

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that DJ is able to speak right
now with how hil you think? That

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is so nice? It wasn't hyperbole
when I put that on Twitter, like

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that's for real. Yeah. He
said you had a lot of He said

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you had a lot of diversity to
your background but after hearing these stories is

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like, oh, that's that's no
joke. That's more than what DJ led

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on. Yeah, I do feel
like I could talk to anybody. I

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could talk to anybody. I really
do. I've just always been around a

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bunch of different kinds of people,
and I think that as crazy as my

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parents are, they're very innately curious
people and did a very good job of

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instilling in me the need to be
curious. And I do that with my

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own kids. If they want to
play date, I say, you got

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to come back and tell me two
interesting things about their parents, because it's

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a practice that a lot of people
don't do. I mean, I just

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am fascinated when people come back,
like tell me about the person you met

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and they don't know anything, Like
you're an asshole, like wrong with you?

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Like I don't know. I'm like
love a dinner party. I love

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a dinner party where I can just
like And I guess one thing my kids

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don't like about me, well,
one thing, let's get the list crazy.

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One thing that they don't like is
that I do really get sucked into

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people like I want someone to feel
like they are the most interesting person in

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the world, and I know I've
talked about it before, but the only

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person in the world that has this
weird thing about memory and people and details

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that I've ever encountered or read about
is Bill Clinton. Where it's like I

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have a conversation with someone and I
all the details about that person go into

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my brain and they never leave it. So I'm excited when I see somebody

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that I talked to three years ago
in the grocery store and I'm asking them

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like did you ever get that job? And how's your aunt Edna? And

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like did your son make the soccer
team? And people are like, you

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need to stop stalking me, Like
I'm really not. I haven't seen you

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in three years, and I just
thought you were really interesting. But inevitably

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I get sucked into conversations and they're
like, can we please go? And

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I'm like, how am I supposed
to go when they just told me they

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have breast cancer? Sorry? Anyway, that is what's interesting about you,

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person that's interesting is somebody that is interested

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in many other things. Will will
tell you Nick will tell you from being

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around Jiu Jitsu academy from here to
Cleveland and California and Florida. Is that

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a lot of guys that's all they
do, Like that's like their only thing,

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you know, And that's great because
that's how they're going to be great

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at it, and for me,
I have to be. I'm into so

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many different things that I wouldn't even
bother you with the list of things that

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I'm into. And that's what I
find interesting about you is that you can

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have on people of all these different
docuseries and please, guys, before I

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go, don't let me forget to
ask something. And I've tried to get

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adicated on Twitter, which is her
favorite teams and favored athletes, So I

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want to make sure we get that
before. You know. Who I'm so

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fascinated by, and I've said this
on my show is I don't know why,

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but Lance Armstrong. Yeah. I
just I could watch a documentary every

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day about him and not be bored. I just think his pathology, like

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his everything is. So I'm endlessly
fascinated by him. I really am,

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like what and now I'm kind of
like I need I'm dreaming of the ability.

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I really would like to interview Michael
Phelps. Definitely. I feel like

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he's fascinating. I mean, I
don't. Tiger Woods is never gonna give

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me an interview, but God almighty, I just love deep diving on Tiger

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Woods. Oh, there's so many
people. There's so many female athletes that

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are in sports that are not marquee
sports that I would love. Sue Bird,

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Sue Bird superb. She's like,
what is she like forty forty one

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years old now? And I think, why doesn't she like MVP of the

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WNBA. I mean, she's absurdly
skilled and talented still and she's She's like

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Brady, She's just so driven,
you know. That's what I just I'm

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fascinated by someone's drive and what because
of their drive, what other things suffered?

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So And I always feel like my
goal is to ask the question that's

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never been asked, and that for
me, that feels like pretty easy because

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I feel like sports reporters ask the
same stupid questions. But I think it's

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because I'm also interested in the people
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that lays into a lot of who
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Now I'm going to interview Tom Brady. I want to know about his relationship

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with his sisters, now, Like
how much does he lean on them because

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he seems like so connected to his
parents, but also his wife. I

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feel like she's so involved in so
many decisions that he makes in terms of

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his health. His health is interesting
too because he has such a different diet

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than he was had ten years ago, but he seems to be like more

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fit than ever. And also the
coaches, I think the coaches are There's

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a great series on Netflix where they
go behind the scenes of coaches and kind

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of interview them. And I like
shows like that because it says so much

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about the player anyway, something he
might something you might be fascinated with.

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This one called The Two Bills.
It was a thirty for thirty and it

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shows I think I know it.
Yeah yeah. Bill Belichick basically the dean

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of all, I mean, the
winningest coach of all time, and he

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sits down with Bill Parcells and he
all of a sudden goes from clearly the

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greatest coach in the NFL to that
guy was my boss, Like that guy

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is the senior guy, not me
in this room. And you can see

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that when you watch the two of
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in their in their chairs, and
and it was really interesting to see

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Bill Belichick in that context because he
is so great, but he comes from

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the from the Bill Parcells tree.
So if you you know what's one of

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the most interesting things I learned from
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films, by the way, worked
her way up. Great story. She

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was taking video of her brother at
ice hockey games and one of the parents

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said, I know some of the
works at NFL film She're really talented.

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Can I send the footage over?
She got a job and worked her way

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up and is like a lead like
lead executive there now. Anyway, I

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asked her, because she works on
hard knocks, about the extraordinary scenes that

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00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:11.559
she's been able to film. One
in particular was with a football player who

407
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.400
had taken her to an AA meeting
outside of it. Wow, And I

408
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.160
just thought, I don't know who
else would have been. How did you

409
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:23.839
coax that out of them? And
she said surprisingly that football players in the

410
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:32.799
NFL prefer female crew because most of
those players come from single parent families led

411
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:37.279
by a single mother, so they
trust the women producers more than they trust

412
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:40.920
the men. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense.

413
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:42.920
That's interesting. So It's like those
kind of things. I love finding out

414
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:48.640
little nuggets like that they're willing to
have have some vulnerability with a woman.

415
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.880
They wouldn't happen if I was like, Hey, what's up there, honey,

416
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.240
badger men, how you doing?
Yeah, you know, like they

417
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.680
wouldn't do that. So no,
like it's the level like especially for she

418
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:04.160
was for black athletes. Single mothers
are so like put on a pedestal because

419
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:11.200
they're quite often the ones that raise
them on their own. So the respect

420
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:17.319
they actually have for the female producers
is far surpasses the respect they have for

421
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.799
men. And I just thought,
I love that, super cool. I

422
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.839
love that. That's awesome, super
cool. I wanted to jump into the

423
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:34.319
Housewives or the Bravo universe a little
bit and your love of docuseries, and

424
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:38.160
it's to me, there's a little
bit of a weird incongruity, and I'm

425
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.160
starting to hear it come out of
you a little bit. I heard it

426
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:48.359
come out of you last season when
you spoke about Potomac and you're like,

427
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.279
how do they cast these women who
geographically wouldn't even know each other, Like

428
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.319
they're from like different ends of like
you wouldn't know someone in Virginia, if

429
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.440
you're from Baltimore wherever the the spread
is, and I haven't watched the show,

430
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:07.799
so let me say that. And
then now what you're expressing with rhoc

431
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:12.519
and what you've talked about relative to
Salt Lake City, that we have a

432
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:17.039
cast member in Jen who's already got
all these different handlers and people to make

433
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.119
her up and all this sort of
thing. But yet you love reality.

434
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.920
And the problem that I'm having DJ
in watching these reality shows is I don't

435
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.440
see what I loved about the Real
World. I don't see what I love

436
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.920
about the challenge. I don't see
what I love about below deck. I

437
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.200
see what that young lady told you
from Southern Charm last week? Forgive me?

438
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.599
Can you repeat her name? Cameron? You Banks, Wimberley Cameron,

439
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.279
Yes, that who was on Real
World San Diego, And she said,

440
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:51.640
oh, you asked her, what's
the difference between the Real World and Brava.

441
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.079
She goes, oh, well,
they just turned the cameras on and

442
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.279
we just did our thing and they
filmed it. Here. I have producers

443
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.720
telling me and they're setting things up
and they're making snail. So how is

444
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:09.240
it that how do you find that
balance where you love conceivably maybe you love

445
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.680
it less, maybe you love it
the same reality TV and these real life

446
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.960
docuseries that absolutely seem to fascinate you. Well, I think I love it

447
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.599
a lot less, and I think
a lot of people do. I don't

448
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.960
really think I'm alone in that.
I think that the show has been on

449
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.880
too long. I do, and
I think that there are moments where there

450
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:37.599
are people on different franchises that are
incredibly vulnerable and authentic and are compelling,

451
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:44.799
and I stay tuned because of those
women. But as a general rule,

452
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:50.680
I just think that it's a stale
It's a stale kind of premise. I

453
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.160
like the first season of Orange County, where it's the classes a Missue,

454
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.559
where you have Vicky who is at
home in her home office and she's the

455
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.799
boss and Laurie's behind her, and
Slory clearly doesn't have a college education.

456
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:05.799
She's got in a divorce and she's
just trying to pay some bills, but

457
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.280
Vicky hangs out over her, and
then towards the end of the season,

458
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:15.679
Laurie meets somebody who's really wealthy,
and then the dynamics and the office change.

459
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:21.360
Now Vicky feels like dog shit because
Laurie's new boyfriend drops off of Mercedes

460
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.639
with a bow on top, and
you're like, ain't that some shit?

461
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.320
You know? Like that to me
was like wow, because that is like

462
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:37.320
a snapshot into suburban America where somebody
could have a divorce and then next year

463
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.800
could flip on. And conversely,
Vicky could be killing it in insurance and

464
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.440
then something happens and then she's,
you know, not making much money and

465
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:51.280
she has this come to Jesus conversation. So I loved that, and I

466
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:55.800
think that there's a lot of that
missing because it's so formulaic that women that

467
00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.519
are cast know what to expect and
they go in with this business agenda or

468
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.920
maybe I shouldn't say that, but
they with this idea that they're going to

469
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.920
join the show and they're going to
be huge stars on Instagram and sell like

470
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:15.239
you know whatever, mini skirts or
something, and it's like, No,

471
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:17.159
I wanted to see you just live
your life. I want to be a

472
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.760
boyer looking at you and how you
manage all the aspects of your family.

473
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.920
I don't want to see your infomercial
on you know, QBC, because that's

474
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.960
not what the show's about. It's
supposed to be about real people living,

475
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.039
so that's I'm always troubled by that
too. And then I feel like I'm

476
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:39.440
complicit in them all becoming monsters because
like Jen Shock, the show hasn't even

477
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.840
aired, She's like, I got
a squad. I'm like, I don't

478
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.800
even know who you are, Like
what? So I do tend to I

479
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.599
think, you know once I saw
And also a lot of the problem was

480
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:55.519
the access that I was getting,
Like well, I mean I think in

481
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.679
the beginning when I had my show, people were like, what's the podcast

482
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.440
or and whatever? Talk to them, and then they were like, well,

483
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:07.679
you're getting information out of these people
that we don't necessarily want to get

484
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.639
out or we would rather somebody else
get it, or we would want it

485
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.960
to be an US magazine or on
Entertainment Tonight and not on a podcast.

486
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.800
So then I got kind of cut
off for a long time. So a

487
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.400
big part of it is my disinterest
and more interested in more authentic, gritty,

488
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.440
interesting stories. But also it was
a matter of like, I have

489
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.280
to expand my show because I can't
call the people at ABC and get the

490
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:37.239
next Bachelor contestant because they're going to
go to The Bachelor podcast. So it

491
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.679
was a way of pivoting in business. But I feel like I'm in a

492
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.639
good place now where it's starting to
pay off. But I have to tell

493
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.519
you, for a long long time, I mean I would just every night

494
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.639
just be like, God, what
like is how am I going to reach

495
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.719
a new audience? How am I
going to reach people? Honest to God,

496
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.639
If somebody comes up to me on
the street and like, hey,

497
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:02.800
I just caught your last episode,
I'm like you did, And I'm almost

498
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.599
like a loser because people are like
okay, okay, like bye, I'm

499
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:07.519
like, no, no, no, you want to hang out, Yeah,

500
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.440
let's hang out, like on your
Instagram, let's keep you And you're

501
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:21.039
like, I just listen to your
show. I feel like in life,

502
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.039
I always feel like I'm at the
bottom of a mountain, and perhaps that's

503
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:30.719
been part of my success. I
read this Harvard Business Review article I'm going

504
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:35.280
to say it was like twelve years
ago, and it said that your business

505
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:39.280
acumen is directly tied to your relationship
with your father. And so they said

506
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:44.039
in my category, which was an
abandoned, abandoned thought like a father that

507
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:49.000
abandons you, that you're always working
at maximum capacity because you want to get

508
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.400
the recognition that you'll ultimately never get. And so they put that in that

509
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:59.039
category of Lance Armstrong and Barack Obama
and Bill Clinton. And that's probably why

510
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:04.400
their stories I tend to like relate
to them, because ultimately, my dad's

511
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.599
never going to be like you are
killing it, like you're crazy, like

512
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.840
you're so great. So I think
that people like myself, I think we're

513
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:17.760
anagram threes where I just I'm like, I never feel like I've succeeded ever,

514
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.039
ever, ever, My god,
if you haven't succeeded, then I

515
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:28.360
guess I don't know what success is. But uh I I was, I

516
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.599
was really taken. I was listening
to Jess's show today and there was a

517
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:36.400
gentleman on I believe called pet shop
Boy, and I was, I'm really

518
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:43.039
disturbed by this archetype. And what
they said was you were talking about Ramona

519
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:47.559
being at a party and that somebody
had come and said something to Ramona and

520
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:51.440
this gentleman who was on with Jess. And by the way, I love

521
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:57.039
Jess Rothsield. So also I believe
it's called hot takes and deep dives,

522
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.239
and I like, I said,
you guys are my triumvirate of reality TV.

523
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.239
I love you. But he said
that he was very upset that Ramona

524
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.559
didn't turn around and go and engage
with this woman. She just said,

525
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.760
Okay, I'm just gonna walk away
kind of thing, and he wanted her

526
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.320
to turn around, wheel around and
make a show of it. And I

527
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:27.880
personally don't find value in fake fights, fake arguments. It's because there's a

528
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.480
huge segment of the viewers now and
that's the problem with the show. And

529
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:37.559
I've had conversations privately with a lot
of housewives that have said to me that

530
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.760
the problem with being on a show
now is that they feel like they have

531
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.880
to be over the top in order
to ensure themselves in a new season,

532
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.559
because the viewers will create memes,
the meme culture, and they're like boring.

533
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.719
And for some of these people,
this is the first job they ever

534
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.039
had, and they're drunk with fame. Maybe this is a paycheck that's part

535
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.800
of that they are garnering that's going
to help them with their divorce. They

536
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.280
become too reliant on the show and
what the show gives them, so they

537
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:15.000
compromise their own values in order to
be what lots of these viewers want and

538
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:17.039
they totally lose themselves. And I
like, I see at one of the

539
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:24.679
housewives in Atlanta right now and it's
just such a bummer. So well,

540
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.079
yes, hey, one of Kate's
five children, how are you? What

541
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:36.320
do you want? Okay, I'm
an interview Yeah, and we'll let you

542
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:42.800
go anyway at any moment. I
think that I think that that's the problem,

543
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:49.519
is that they're so stressed out all
the time about being that like being

544
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.719
a personality. They want to be
a personality, and they're no longer a

545
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:58.199
human right, And is it going
to continue in this trend or do you

546
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:04.000
think that Bravo will feel so?
So if they if Andy reboots R H

547
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.719
O C. As you suggested,
will it be this the exact same archetypes

548
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:12.880
with different names and faces. Well, it has to change because our world

549
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:19.719
is changing. So do they want
five Vicki's no, they don't because she

550
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:27.119
she doesn't really represent the modern woman
anymore, I don't think. And I

551
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.760
think that the network rightfully would love, especially in Orange County, to see

552
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:37.920
younger and more diverse. Certainly,
haven't we seen enough white women? I

553
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.519
mean yes, and I'm a white
woman. I'm sick of it too.

554
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.760
I love diversity, and I want
to I want to see different cultures I

555
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.440
want to see. I want to
see women who are educated, who had

556
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:55.320
previous professional careers. I feel like
you can't have all housewives because it's like

557
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:04.800
they're all living in the same they're
all living in the same chapter. I

558
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.280
want to see people that are in
different chapters, like they're hesitant about giving

559
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.840
up their career because they just started
to have children. But I also want

560
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.719
to see somebody who has had success
in the second chapter, so they're in

561
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.360
a second career and they have children
that are maybe in middle school. Because

562
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:28.599
I think there's so much value in
women communicating and sharing their life experience.

563
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.880
I learned so much from other women, and I think that they've lost sight

564
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.400
of that. I also know that
more women want to see more stories that

565
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.880
are uplifting. I want to feel
inspired by people who have built a business

566
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.480
and not an image. They don't
want to see people that have Instagram posts

567
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.880
that are filtered and all of that, and they've got bots as you know,

568
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.559
the followers. They want to see
this is someone who started at the

569
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.639
bottom, built something significant, and
is a good person on the way up.

570
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.719
Fights I really could do without all. It's not inspiring to see just

571
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.079
people behaving badly for the sake of
airtime to make sure that they that they

572
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:13.440
get airtime, and the producers don't
you would know, I don't know.

573
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.480
The producers are probably telling them,
hey, you know, you better spice

574
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.719
it up a little bit otherwise,
you know, you only had seventeen minutes

575
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.880
on camera last week. I feel
like it differs because there's so many different

576
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:29.920
production companies. I don't know.
I feel like they're under tremendous pressure too,

577
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.000
because they want to make great shows
and they're they're filming so many hours

578
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.840
and they're trying to get some authenticity. And then the network. I've heard

579
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:43.760
people say production people say, the
network's saying or saying to us, get

580
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.440
more out of her, like get
more out of her personal story, and

581
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.079
I'm like, I've tried, she's
not willing to give it. Like what

582
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.119
do you do when you have somebody
I don't know, Like I'm just using

583
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:57.880
as an example, not for any
particular reason, but like a Ramona,

584
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.800
she's not really somebody who's willing to
be that vulnerable. Like those experiences are

585
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:06.039
pretty few and far between. So
if you're saying a producer, you better

586
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.679
get it out. That's maybe where
people like kind of push them a little

587
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:15.079
bit. But then sometimes in filming, and not just this isn't just about

588
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.480
housewives. There's all these reality shows
where the crew are tired. They had

589
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.800
to set up, then they're filming, they have to take down and they

590
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.119
know that they've got a film and
they're like, hey, can you just

591
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:28.079
confront her about so and so because
I want to go home to my kids.

592
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.159
And then they're like lapdogs, are
like okay, what do you want?

593
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:35.760
Because they're all people pleasers in their
own way, and they're like,

594
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.920
okay, sure. And that's what
Cameron was saying in the last interview is

595
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:45.239
that the new people that kind of
come on these shows, they're easily molded

596
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:49.760
and they're willing to do whatever because
they want to be stars on Instagram,

597
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.440
right, so they're like fine,
all fighter, like, whatever you want,

598
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.880
let's do it. Well. For
my part, I hope that you

599
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.239
do get your own production company and
get to make a show, because I

600
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.400
think we're I am working on I
am working on one. So I will

601
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.360
leave you with that. I'm with
you. It's gonna be awesome. I'll

602
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.800
be so excited and you know that
you have well, you have three viewers

603
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.239
sitting right here. Let's do a
speed round, something that you like to

604
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.480
do so we can get you out
of here. Okay, So for the

605
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:23.119
speed round, do you believe in
UFOs? Now that the Navy has released

606
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:30.519
what let me preface, let me
frame the question. The Navy released three

607
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:37.920
videos, one encounter off of San
Diego of a top actual former top gun

608
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:42.679
pile of flyne off of the Nimets, and then you had two off of

609
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.960
the USS Roosevelt and Jacksonville. Have
you seen those videos? I have not,

610
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.960
but I will tell you this.
Okay, I lived in Virginia Beach,

611
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.800
Virginia. I have a lot of
very good friends in the military.

612
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:59.440
One of my friends is the first
female top gun pilot. Okay, well,

613
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:05.039
so I've known for years that They've
always kind of explained that what's going

614
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:12.440
on is that there are they have
such advanced technology and transportation, if you

615
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.360
will, that I think they're flying
them and people are like, oh my

616
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.719
god, I've never seen something like
it. It's a UFO. It's just

617
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.000
you have to understand that the government
is producing things that are so forward.

618
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:28.039
The things that you see in the
sky. They probably built like twenty five

619
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.920
thirty years ago. The things they're
building right now, I think people would

620
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.320
be like, holy shitballs. All
right, Well, I'll just tell you

621
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.480
this. I have I don't know, maybe thirteen years of military aviator experience.

622
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:45.000
But all that said, there is
a top gun pilot who is an

623
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.400
air wing commander on the Nimitz that
says, I saw this do this that

624
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:53.239
defy the laws of physics. Okay, okay, so I will I will

625
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.960
email you the three videos that were
released by the Pentagon and then you can

626
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.239
take a look at him and tell
me what you think. And I've had

627
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:06.519
so weird you say the Nemus,
because when I lived in Virginia Beach,

628
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.159
I knew people on the Nemets.
Oh yeah, I mean they're all around.

629
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:13.000
But it happened to be that the
air wing that they were using at

630
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.119
the time. So this, this
video was two thousand and four. Uh

631
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:22.679
and uh. There was a couple
of real stalwarts in the Pentagon's Advanced Aerial

632
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.320
thread identification program that got three videos
released. This was one of them.

633
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.400
And I heard this guy interviewed on
I don't know how many different shows and

634
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.480
him saying him and also his co
pilot was a female. She tells the

635
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.800
excuse me, not co pilot wingman. His wingman was a female, and

636
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:43.159
they tell the exact same story.
So why don't you send it to me?

637
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.280
Then I will. I will go
to my friends, and then I

638
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.559
will report back to you. Yeah, and I'm also going to send you

639
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:55.000
one that came out in Puerto Rico
that I've shown to let's say, five

640
00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:00.400
or six different military aviators that I
flew with, so probably over twenty thousand

641
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.679
hours of flying and none of us
can figure out what this is. And

642
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:09.159
it's a very good video taken by
Customs and Border Patrol. Did you this

643
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.719
may be one of the worst rapid
fire I know. I'm sorry. I'm

644
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.440
sorry. By the way, did
you guys watch Surviving Death on Netflix?

645
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:22.760
I was scared to Okay, so
good. We'll watch episode six about Reincarnation,

646
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.599
because there's this little boy, James, who was absolutely a World War

647
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.119
Two pilot and his parents tell the
story of how he would wake up in

648
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:37.440
a nightmare all the time and recounted
over time all these details about his time

649
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.639
as a pilot. That his plane
crashed during the Battle of the eo Jima.

650
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.320
He named a person that was the
plane with him. Yes, I

651
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.400
saw it. I saw it.
That's bananas it is. I'm actually I'm

652
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.719
going to interview that dad. Actually, that was totally nuts. There was

653
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:57.320
the one who where the actor was
his was his father? Yeah? That

654
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.239
totally freaked me out. Or no, he was he was the reincarnation of

655
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.920
the father. Coronation of the father. Yeah, it freaked me out.

656
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.840
Yes, I did see that,
So you guys should watch that. It's

657
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.519
inexplicable. Final question for you,
Kate, are you ready? But was

658
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:15.760
it? I got speed round?
I got one question well because I didn't

659
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.119
want to keep you more than an
hour and it's ten sixteen, so all

660
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.239
right, so let me get this
one in top your top five favorite bands

661
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.239
of the amazing Kate Casey, Oh, this is not a great question for

662
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.159
me because I'm not a music person. Bands I don't know. I will

663
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:35.239
tell you this. I like,
I love eighties bands. They are they

664
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:40.559
put the wind in my sales.
I love a good motown. I don't

665
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.079
really pay attention to music. I'm
like, okay, sure whatever. I

666
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.000
but you're you're a performer, Kate. I know, but I'm like I

667
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.639
don't. I don't deep that I'm
digging Dolly Partner after that. Oh hell

668
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:58.280
yeah, I watched She's amazing,
But I don't. In my life,

669
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:05.199
I've always been a fascinated by comedians, journalists and athletes. I did get

670
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.159
and so your your favorite athletes,
If you were to name the top three

671
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:15.400
of those, can you give me
three? Billy Jean King, Lance Armstrong

672
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:23.400
And that's a tough one. Who's
the third one? I'm fascinated by Lebron

673
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.960
right now? I'd like to say
so, But although I have to say

674
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.000
living in Newport Beach, I have
a real soft spot in my heart for

675
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:37.519
Kobe, and my whole family does. Like you know, that's really like

676
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:39.320
I could cry thinking about it,
you know, the day he died,

677
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:45.559
because there's so many people in my
town that died, so Kobe and I

678
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.800
really admire what he what he did
in his later years of life, and

679
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:54.239
I know how what a fantastic dad
he was, so I have great respect

680
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.800
for him too. But being that
Lebron is still alive, there is a

681
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.480
chance he could be on Real Life
with Kate Casey. Oh my god,

682
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.400
it would be so amazing, you
know what, I was so bummed because

683
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.679
I went to the park like two
weeks ago and I ran into the girl

684
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.199
and she said, you're not going
to believe who was just here? Uh,

685
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.920
And it was, Oh my god, what's his first name? One

686
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.119
of the Lakers? Yeah, the
tall tall tall Oh Anthony Davis. No,

687
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.599
no, old old old Oh,
Marc Gasol, No, not Dwight

688
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:29.800
Howe. Was it this year last
season? No? Old old old oh.

689
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:36.559
Dream I a brain fart, But
I would love to interview him because

690
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.559
he's sort of like a cultural anthropologist, and I would love to doubt him,

691
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.559
and he lives close to me,
and I kind of want to stalk

692
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:47.400
him. I read his book,
uh, and it's fast. His book

693
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.960
called Giant Steps, and it was
fascinating books. So yeah, I would

694
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.000
definitely occur. And I'd love to
see you approach him, though, Kate,

695
00:51:54.119 --> 00:52:00.239
because I know some stories you very
stand offish with people that he's just

696
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.400
introduced to, people that he sees. I think I would say, listen.

697
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:07.079
I don't mean to sound weird,
but I feel like you and I

698
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:13.800
are twin flames. And here's why. I love a great book and I

699
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.280
love a great reality show, and
I feel like you and I could sit

700
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.599
at a dinner party for hours and
talk. I have been dying for you

701
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.679
to come on my show, and
I think at this point you and I

702
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.480
both agree that we are probably should
have been best friends at least for the

703
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.719
last ten years. Oh my god, there's he'd be like, all right,

704
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:34.239
and I say, I am supposed
to be taking care of my children.

705
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:40.159
But let's be honest right now,
because I'm to you and to you

706
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:44.920
to die, so you know,
I really I want you guys to know

707
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.920
that I'm not just a Kate Casey
fanboy. I'm a serious interviewer, as

708
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:55.679
you can see by Oh my god, I love that gosh that I was

709
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.480
saving for the joke. I mean, it's barely a love lebron k.

710
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:06.119
Yes, it's so funny too.
My kids are like, what because my

711
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.920
friends from college and my family called
me Katie Kate Casey like al Jean hashtag

712
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.199
al Jean. Yeah, she's like
Katie. It's like, I mean,

713
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.559
I have like a saucepot in my
heart. It's like, oh, they

714
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:21.039
know, I've known me for so
long, but can you imagine how hard

715
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.719
it was for me to have that
dumb name. It's not Katie Katy Kasey

716
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.920
Katy Ky like, what's your name? Katy, I'm like, oh,

717
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:37.360
forget it, forget it. I
demand that everybody on this show have a

718
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.320
beer tonight in toast to Kate Casey
this weekend that thank you, and I

719
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.440
will have a nice cold, tall
Irish beer, of course, in honor

720
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.920
of your dad. Okay, Liam
Liam, Yes, Liam would would have

721
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.559
nothing less. It's such an honor
to have you on, Kate. Thank

722
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.880
you so much for saying that.
And I want you to know how much

723
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.280
I appreciate that. And it's really
it means a lot to me. I

724
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:05.559
appreciate it. It's a it's a
hard job, and and to just know

725
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.039
that you you listen to the episodes
and it's just really means a lot.

726
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.679
I love him, and I hope
that you'll come on again, because uh,

727
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.840
you really again, kind of like
Mandy, you took over the show

728
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:20.400
and entertained the hell of us and
we loved every second of it. So

729
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.320
you know, these guys are like, thank god that nut bags out of

730
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:27.400
here. No, oh my god, no, they they now know what

731
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.159
I'm talking about, don't you.
Nick jiu jitsu, let's ju ju the

732
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:36.480
ship out of it. Let me
let you Nick is the dean of all

733
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.199
of us here as far as belt
levels go and skill level goes, Nick

734
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:43.440
is uh is number one. I
would say Will is number two and I'm

735
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.719
number three. So generous. So
when when my son was in Karate Master,

736
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.440
you used to do this thing where
he was trying to teach them don't

737
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.840
talk to strangers. So we feel
like, you don't talk to you see

738
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.519
that guy, he's gonna come.
He's gonna take you away. He's gonna

739
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.159
take you away from your family.
And of course I I'm like made of

740
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.039
steel. So I was like,
yeah, you listened to him. You

741
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:06.679
listen to him, and my son
just goes, I don't want you to

742
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:13.719
go away. Oh my god,
should be Cobra Kai season four. Man.

743
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.559
You know, I was like,
oh my god, you're like your

744
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.239
dad. Sh By the way,
my son, he looks like George Bush.

745
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:25.360
Is not weird? How did that
happen? So funny? And I'm

746
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:29.840
not complaining because he's a really cute
dude guy, but that's really weird.

747
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:31.880
But you know, cop, by
the way, I'm not a great parent

748
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:37.119
because I said, I don't believe
go ahead, Jack, we need to

749
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.880
watch a Cobra Kai because this is
my jam, like karate Kid, straight

750
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.639
up, let's do it. And
I was like all right, wacko,

751
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.199
and he was totally into it.
I would get pissed off because he'd watched

752
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.400
the episodes without me, and I
was like, I don't know, there's

753
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.239
like a lot of cursing and stuff. I was like, he's gonna be

754
00:55:55.280 --> 00:56:00.400
fine. That's the real world,
right right. It's like, you are

755
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:05.400
not a terrible mother. You are
a wonderful mother. If you're sitting watching

756
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:09.440
Cobra Kai with your kids, I
think showing them the light because I watched

757
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.639
so much TV as a child,
and I feel like I can talk to

758
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:16.480
anybody and I'm super cool. I'm
not going to like murder anybody. I'm

759
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.360
not going to commit a crime.
I'm cool. So if they watch a

760
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.679
lot of TV, they'll be fine. It will you are my mom?

761
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.320
My mom used to let me watch
General Hospital and there was a whole storyline

762
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.320
about Luke and Laura and how Luke
raped Laura. But then they got married

763
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:42.199
and you're like, I remember going
to my mom like she was like,

764
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.440
but it's a beautiful wedding. Luke
at the cool Afro though he had the

765
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:52.719
cool fron Man, I'll be fine. Oh my god, this is just

766
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.239
like as good as I thought this
was going to be. Guys, it

767
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.880
was better. It was better.
This went off the rails. No,

768
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:05.199
you were like, Okay, this
is I mean, just stupid stories.

769
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:09.800
This was amazing. And everybody from
my sister in law I was teaching yoga

770
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:14.519
tonight, they had to hear about
you. The people who ran the gym

771
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.920
had to hear about you. So
you know, everybody's just tired of hearing

772
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:21.440
about your name, But everybody is
going to hear your name, particularly either

773
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.760
when I message him this podcast or
they're watching the show that you produce.

774
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.079
So Kate Casey would be so great. Don't have any unfortunate yoga instances as

775
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:37.280
I had an unfortunate ye a karaoke
incident. Oh, I'm probably gonna go

776
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:38.840
in there tonight and get my ass
kicked. I've been gone. I've been

777
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.280
gone for work for a week or
two. By the way, I wanted

778
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.199
to mention to you about a studio
in Newport Beach. Have you heard akam

779
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:51.639
a k u M. No?
No, why do I do I need

780
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.000
a party with those cowboys? No? But I don't know. But the

781
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.719
tea. There's a teacher there named
Sam and Sam was my teacher back in

782
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:04.960
Irvine when I lived in Irvine,
when I lived by Will and actually all

783
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:09.599
three of us lived in SoCal about
three years ago. But Sam is amazing

784
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:15.360
and he's the one who drove a
lot of things into me into yoga.

785
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:16.840
So if you ever feel like going
to class and you go to Akam,

786
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:22.079
I recommend Sam. But he's he's
tough, very he's an assy, he's

787
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:28.079
he was going through PhD program at
you see Irvine. He's like an Aussie

788
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.280
or a Kiwi and he's very,
very tough. So did he ever see

789
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:36.559
Wild Wild Country about the officer?
Oh god, that was before I left.

790
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.360
I left three years ago, so
I didn't see that until I moved

791
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:45.920
here. But that was wild Man
plus the the Beakram Chowdry of ESPN thirty

792
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.920
for thirty. It was like a
three or four part series. Y that

793
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.360
one was yeah, man six stuff. I mean, by the way,

794
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.880
that guy in a diaper with what, I'm not massaging his feet right?

795
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.960
This is why I would never be
in a cult, because I would be

796
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:07.440
the jerk that was like, you're
in a diaper? What? Yeah?

797
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:09.719
Like get away from me, I
know, and you did your deep dive

798
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:14.320
on Nixium. Is is it nexium? Is that what's called on parallel?

799
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.400
I believe that I am a scholar
at this point. You killed it,

800
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:21.880
man, you killed that thing.
What I need you to listen to tomorrow's

801
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:28.039
episode because I deep dive Britney Spears
and I'm like, I've hit a Britney

802
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.559
Spears wall where it's like I can't
I can't read anymore. I feel like

803
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:37.599
I went your eyes are as if
I would miss your episode, Kate,

804
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:42.320
like as if that's something that because
these young young girls were like Britney Spears,

805
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.440
you know, she was like such
a part of our childhood and she's

806
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:50.840
like so emblementic and and I understood
it. But I was like, wow,

807
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.880
okay, because I just I was
never like into musicians like that.

808
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:59.559
But it was just interesting. It's
fascinating. Like I said, I had

809
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:05.000
heard Andrew jenks piece on it a
year ago, right, that was a

810
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.920
great He came on my show.
Did he really to talk about Brittany or

811
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:15.239
something else? No, we talked
about the Varsity Blues scandal. Okay,

812
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:22.079
I'm not feel I feel like I've
probably interviewed ed everybody, just because every

813
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.239
episode I feel like I have so
many different kinds of segments, so I'm

814
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.440
always like, oh, yeah,
I talked to them, and I sometimes

815
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.199
I forgot I'm like, oh yeah, but I like him a lot.

816
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:37.079
I did not know what a conservatorship
was legally until listening to that, and

817
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:42.079
I was just blown away and so
real quickly. Do you feel like this

818
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.800
is an absolute sham and there should
be some sort of an appellate process that

819
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.199
can get her out of that.
I feel like it's hard to say,

820
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.719
because you we have not had the
benefit of looking through all the medical and

821
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:55.760
legal papers, and I just think
it's a really hard call to make.

822
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.519
And I also have friends that work
in entertainment who know her and say she

823
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:06.199
could make decisions maybe about herself,
but not our finances. Interesting, So

824
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.960
that needs the problem is that he
filed to be a conservator before anybody else,

825
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:14.719
so she once you file for that, you can't get out of it.

826
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.760
And Okay, there's reason to believe
that she was pushed to do so

827
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.079
as because that would be the only
way she could see her kids. Okay,

828
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:29.920
but how could there be a legal
process that isn't doesn't come up for

829
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:35.280
a review of a fronological review the
ish. The overarching issue is that it

830
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.679
was a conflict of interests. There's
too much of a conflict of interest,

831
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:43.719
and that's I think at the heart
of the matter. Yes, and somebody

832
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:49.480
should I mean, there should be
a medical board that's convened to assess her

833
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:53.199
mental and her mental fitness to be
able to do this instead of saying okay,

834
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:58.880
from now until it turn it out. But as the documentary explains that

835
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:05.679
people who have a conservator for their
person that it almost never is ever presented

836
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:12.519
like you're in that forever. Yeah, why you're My advice after watching that

837
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:16.159
is, don't ever agree to a
conservator unless you're like someone has like,

838
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:21.119
oh, it's typically for people of
like Alzheimer's and she and she agreed to

839
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:24.400
it, then, is what you're
saying, because it has been suggested that

840
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.480
she thought it would be the only
way that she could still have access to

841
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.559
her kids. Got it, Okay, I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have

842
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:37.000
to watch it. Okay. Anyway, this is why my children get annoyed

843
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.880
of me because I never stopped.
No, I think Kate, really,

844
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.199
I it was just I didn't want
to keep you for too long. We

845
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.280
kept you for over an hour.
We thought, we're hoping we're going to

846
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:51.119
get forty minutes with you, and
we're blessed to have you for longer than

847
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.239
that. So thank you so much, everybody. I really appreciate it.

848
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:58.480
Thank you, Kate, Kate,
Casey, everybody, I really appreciate you.

849
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.880
Come back and see us, will
you? I will? And you

850
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:12.880
need to come on my show too. By guys, are you doing?

851
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:21.360
Yeah? Like I feel like I'm
spent. I don't know what to say.

852
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:23.360
It's just now you guys kind of
know. You guys know why I

853
01:03:23.360 --> 01:03:27.760
wanted to have her on the show. So please Nick and we'll discuss so

854
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:32.119
I can shut up. No,
she's awesome. You always have a I

855
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:37.360
always have a profound respect for the
breath. And it's not only breath that

856
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:40.840
she's got some death to Each of
her interests areas too, and so I

857
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:46.960
think that sets up for a really
good interviewer, and with her future aspirations

858
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:52.079
in terms of production, it's going
to add to that. Also, you

859
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:58.960
know, I really enjoyed her analysis
of how at least her take on Real

860
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:06.360
Housewives reality show in general is going, and that's what I intensely dislike about

861
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:11.679
it. I think if you were
now, if you're putting out content,

862
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:17.239
there's so much opportunity to put out
content. Where my measuring stick is you

863
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.320
can show young people right at developmenting
stages and it can be of great value

864
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:28.800
to them. I would never show
my kids real housewives of whatever city.

865
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.239
Never because for my daughter that's the
opposite of what I wanted to become.

866
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:36.239
And then for my son that's the
opposite who for him, who I want

867
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:41.320
involved with, like as you know, as that type of model, And

868
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.639
so I don't find any I don't
find any worth in that. I mean,

869
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:49.039
if it's just a cheap entertainment value, then he can be entertained in

870
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:56.639
different ways. And that's very it's
unreal. As as you guys discussed,

871
01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.840
it's very produced, and I think
it kind of picks at the worst in

872
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:05.480
us in terms of what motivates us
to watch those types of things. Why

873
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:10.920
we motivated, Oh, we motivated
because it's fake glamour. We're motivated because

874
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.039
we like to see cat fights,
are arguing or whatever it may be.

875
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:20.079
And I think for as a society, I mean, call me the old

876
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.280
scrooge or conservative or whatever it is. That's not what our society needs.

877
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.360
Our society needs a lot more depth. How can we make the people around

878
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.280
us better? How can you make
the world better rather than this type of

879
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:35.159
stuff? And you can have fun
doing those sorts of things, right,

880
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:41.519
It's not all about being serious and
you know, world peace kind of thing.

881
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:47.480
But can you can produce content that
is genuine? You can produce content

882
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:55.559
that people get an additional education out
of, maybe that they wouldn't otherwise,

883
01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:01.440
and at the same time be entertained. And I think the the proliferation of

884
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:09.760
all the various content mechanisms and types
of shows is a is a result of

885
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:14.559
what we've seen in mainstream media people
just being frustrated and upset with it.

886
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.679
That was actually one of the questions
I was going to ask her, and

887
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.920
before I actually I will I will
play Devil's advocate to your question. But

888
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:25.400
I just want to get Nick's thoughts
on what we just heard. Oh,

889
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.360
I thought she was great. I
mean, yeah, I didn't really know

890
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.440
a whole lot about her background.
I mean just based on you know,

891
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:35.760
on her website and everything. But
and then it really makes sense on I

892
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:41.000
wouldn't say, it makes sense,
But she really has a good sort of

893
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:46.960
idea of you know, what she
who she is, why she likes the

894
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:54.840
things she does, what kind of
sort of appeals to her in regards to

895
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.679
her in her interest to interview people
and her interest in reality TV and everything

896
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.039
like that. So, oh no, I was, Yeah, I was

897
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:04.440
surprised on you know, a lot
of her insight and then just general knowledge.

898
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:10.760
But given her background and you can
hear about all her sort of other

899
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.000
things that she has, you know, in her upbringing and everything like that,

900
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:16.599
it kind of makes sense on how
I mean she is right now.

901
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:24.039
But can you guys believe that she
started to tell her her she told us

902
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:28.880
the story of her career, and
she left out the part about oh,

903
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:35.679
I worked at the White House and
spoke at the Democratic Invention. Maybe maybe

904
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:39.559
to her it wasn't really a big
deal. I mean, I I was

905
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:43.480
recording real quick. When I was
recording my band, and the guy that

906
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:48.559
produced us had an album that hit
like the top twenty Billboard or something.

907
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:54.360
It was like top fifty, top
twenty from a bandity producing pretty much that's

908
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.599
true, like majority of the songs
on there. And now I figured i'd

909
01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.719
drop that and be like, hey, oh yeah, I did that album

910
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.159
and it was like a billboard and
like whatever, Like I don't care.

911
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:09.639
It's amazingly some people you'd think,
you know, would be more into things

912
01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:13.880
that kind of would garner them attention
on paper, but in reality, they're

913
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.399
just like, it's just one of
the things I did. I've done plenty

914
01:08:15.399 --> 01:08:18.199
of other things, and I think
for her it was just like, yeah,

915
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:21.319
that's just one of the things I've
done, but you know I've done

916
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:27.159
She's done all these other stuff as
well that might be more important to her

917
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:30.960
currently, and it was amazing.
And what I want to say I want

918
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:34.000
to say to Will is that,
first of all, I agree with what

919
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:38.079
you say, and I think what
somebody like her would say. I'm gonna

920
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:40.520
guess if we would ask her that
question, she would say, well,

921
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:44.159
I don't show my kids that stuff. It's something that I watch. So

922
01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:48.399
not all television is meant for all
audiences. And I think you could tell

923
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:54.119
by the tenor of my questions and
how I feel about Bravo TV today that

924
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:58.920
for the most part, I've fallen
off of it for those reasons, because

925
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:02.960
I want to see something that's real. I don't want to see people argue

926
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:05.640
and fight, because, as you
said, you can put on cable news

927
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:11.039
and see that stuff. But anyway, what I want to do is let's

928
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.119
wrap this segment and then we will
talk about if we're probably not gonna do

929
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:19.600
MMA tonight, but let us wrap
this segment with Kate Casey in a neat

930
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:25.960
bow because it was absolutely amazing.
You guys think that that sound good to

931
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:30.840
you? Guys? Oh yeah,
all right, So we're coming back with

932
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.920
Don Dokin, George Lynch and the
boys because I want Nick to get a

933
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:46.319
little bit of this, all right, guys. So, like I said,

934
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:51.800
I want to thank everybody for tuning
in to hear the amazing Kate Casey.

935
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:58.720
And actually it doesn't sound so hyperbolic
after talking to her. But we

936
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.279
will probably come back to you guys
within the next day or two with a

937
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:08.359
preview of UFC two fifty eight.
So for my brilliant co host, the

938
01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:15.039
new full time Full Power Professor,
my brother Willeby Wu and my man Nick

939
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:19.760
Cazono, this is DJ San Marcos
saying peace out, one love, and

940
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:20.960
we'll see you down the road.