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Welcome to this edition of the High
Strangeness Factor. Copyright it on the Paranormal

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UK Radio Network. Your host or
me, Steve Ford and Adie Mercer.

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On the High Strangeness Factor. We
have always explored all aspects of the unexplained

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and paranormal with a special emphasis and
what I call high strangeness areas. We

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are going to be talking about one
of those today along with one of its

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alleged inhabitants. We have a great
guest who has done and in depth,

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has done in depth research into this
area that I will introduce in a moment.

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Andy, great to have you back, and have you back with a

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computer that is functioning. Yes,
I am back. Indeed, our computer

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is now fully functioning because it's a
new machine basedly the other one more or

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less die on me give brief Toory. I actually bought a new one,

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not in brand new new, but
a new old desktop. Second, I'm

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from Amazon, and unfortunately the memory
didn't work properly, so I spent ages

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putting all together, and then the
RAM was the problem, so I had

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to start again. They sent me
a replacement RAM rather than's the whole machine

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back, so it's taking me a
while I've lost loads of work because I've

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been quite busy working on the next
book on my publishing company, and they've

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had to redo some of that work, which is very annoying. But I'm

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not one hundred percent myself. You
might be able to tell from my voice,

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and rather nasily. I'm just getting
over what was quite heavy Colder appeared

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out of nowhere being in the last
week, but otherwise I'm not doing too

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bad. Well. You sound pretty
much like Andy to me, so nobly

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and I am. I'm slouching toward
a new computer. I keep getting these

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messages that says your computer is full, You've got to delete stuff. So

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then I got true, we're carefully
and hoping I'm not deleting something that's crucial

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to the existence of the computers.
Now, that was my big panic with

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the last one. I thought that, obviously, the worst that happens to

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the hard drive to die. I
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something wrong with the motherboard itself.
The hard drive was fine when I plugged

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into another machine, so I haven't
lost any data, But then I just

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had to reset everything on the new
one, and that lost some information.

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When I discovered that the RAM wasn't
functioning properly, so it was all rather

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annoying. But it seems to go
right so far. Well, I actually

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don't mind the expense. Well I
guess I do. But I can handle

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the expense of a new computer.
It's the what I need is I need

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a whiz kid to stop by and
hook everything up for me, because they're

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transferring stuff over and getting Oh god, I just some things. I'm very

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proud of myself. I've been able
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and muddle through. But man,
oh man, that's just it's it's it's

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terrifying. That's a shame that it
wasn't quite so far away. I could

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probably do it all for you,
I know, I know. Okay,

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Well, let's let's introduce our guest. Susie Bastile is an independent researcher of

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the elusive and often maligned pug wedgie. As a ninth generation New England resident

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pug wedgies with a Boogeyman of her
childhood, she now wanders the swamp at

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night looking for little men her parents
warned her to stay away from. You

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can read her thoughts or report your
pug wedgies sighting at Pugwodgies dot blogspot dot

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com. Susie, Welcome to the
high Strangeness Factor. Hi Steve, thanks

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for having me. Oh, my
pleasure, our pleasure. So you have

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been. I think it's safe to
say you've become fascinated with something that is

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called a pugwdgie, which we will
get into a little bit later, but

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not much later. And he seems
to reside at least one of them,

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one group of them seems to reside
in an area that people call that the

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people call the bridge Bridgewater Triangle in
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I have to ask you, how
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What was your path to be interested
in pug wedgies and did you have

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experiences as a as a young girl, or in other words, how did

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you get here? So I'm going
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Okay, he is from Fall River, Massachusetts, which is right near Freetown.

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It's on the southern tip of the
Bridgewater Triangle. And he is a

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city boy, and I grew up
in the middle of nowhere, and he

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was not used to that, and
he was very afraid of us being out

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in the woods. So what he
would do, would say, don't go

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near the swamp, the puck wedgies
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in the woods, or the puck
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the story from the town he grew
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kind of keep us in line a
little bit. And then my childhood was

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also filled with the X files in
unsolved mysteries and in search of and that

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type of thing, and that was
his doing also, So he totally set

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me up to have this obsession later
in life. I actually had thought that

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he had completely fabricated the whole Puquadji
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It wasn't until I think it was
twenty thirteen they came out with the Bridgewater

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Triangle documentary where they talked about puckuagies
and I said, oh, he didn't

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just make those up. They're actually
a thing. Well, tell us about

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your blog. You have dug into
the past and you know past references of

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pug wedgies and how long has your
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back in January too. I had, you know, notes on post its

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and cocktail napkins and books all over
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anything with the information I had,
and when you look for information, it's

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all over the place. It it's
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so I decided, I need to
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So I've just started putting that together
fairly recently. I think when I

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first started hearing about the Freetown State
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I used to listen to a podcast
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Coast referred to the South Coast of
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by Tim Wiseberg and they would so
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of their podcasts was a long one
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a live a live broadcast, and
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Forest. It's like they were checking
for for paranormal stuff. You had some

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guy along the road looking for uh
uh phantom hitchhikers. You had somebody else

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looking for pug wedgies and uh you
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So it was it was kind of
fun. They didn't really find much of

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anything, but it was it was
a lot of fun. Whether going back

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and forth and people are reporting in
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think it was Lorne Coleman that coined
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although I don't think too many of
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but you know who knows. So
so tell us, can you give

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us an idea? What what will
what will we find if we Now I've

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seen uh you post some uh pictures
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Is that right box swap yep?
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about five hundred acres just itself,
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lot of weird activity. And what
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in that area? So you have
cryptids like bigfoot, thunderbirds, snakes that

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are as big around as a stovepipe. You have ghosts, You have strange

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lights that some that seem to be
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be associated more with the paranormal.
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which I don't think those fall into
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cleanly. I think they're their own
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they're they're distinctly separate from some of
the other so called cryptids. Oh yeah,

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for sure. Yeah, okay,
so would you would you? Well,

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well, tell us, tell us
about pug wedgies. What uh uh?

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What do they What are their origins? I mean, where is it?

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It's a Native American tradition. Yeah. So the word puquaji is actually

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an Ojibway word and they're in Canada, like just north of the Great Lakes,

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the tribes that are in the Bridgewater
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Their original word was Bagua genie for
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some point they adopted the word Puckwagi
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to mean little man of the wild
who disappears. And I think that's a

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pretty good name for them. So, well, what I understand, Well,

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I was going to ask what they
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they are shape shifters. They are
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of these sightings hard to determine if
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have the traditional description, which is, you know, two to four feet

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tall, smooth, gray skin and
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and back. That's the traditional by
the book description of them. But they

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are said to shape shift. So
we have sightings that don't align with that

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traditional description so much. But we
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or if they've shape shifted, or
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have you encountered a pugwodgy yet?
Not yet? I am determined. How

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long do you have to travel to
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you live. It's about an hour
and twenty minutes from me. Oh that's

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nothing, okay, Yeah, you
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just about, well just about,
so you know. I tried to Andy.

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I tried to send Susie a link
to a podcast I heard some years

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ago, about two thousand and eight. It's a Ghost Chronicles radio Ron Kohlick

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and Maureene Wood and they would go
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but it would be audible, and
they would go to areas and Maureene

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Wood wasn't sensitive, and often she
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spirit there. She was very susceptible
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did this this uh this deal where
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Chris Belzano who was written a couple
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oh, trying to remember the the
the head of the uh Ghost Village Radio

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and his name is escapes me for
the moment, but it will come to

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me. Anyway. There was a
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They went into the Freetown State Forest
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for pug wedgies. And there's there's
an incident where they you know again it's

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it's it's it's uh audible. So
they they took a pic They were taking

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pictures that there's somebody and they were
using a pendulum. They were asking the

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pendulum where to where to go to
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I'm assuming the pendulum is swinging in
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it. So they they get the
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a photograph and it must have been
a polaroid or something, because they talk

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about the photograph forming on on the
on the on the picture, and they

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talk about they they supposedly saw this
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an inverted skull. Now, I
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but it doesn't sound very very promising. And uh, Maureen would then,

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and I think, Susie, did
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If you looked up Puck Wedges attack

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on YouTube, it'll come up.
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of a sudden you hear her like
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don't think that. It doesn't sound
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a sequel to the Exorcist. And
she's hissing and growling, and and Ron

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Kohlick is is saying, you know, uh uh Maureene marine that get you

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know, get you know, could
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somebody else is saying, get the
holy water. So they've got holy water

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there too, hoping to uh,
it'll affect Pug Wedges. Anyway, it

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was, it was, it was, it was fast. I did.

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I did find it on my Uh
it's buried on my computer. I almost

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lost it, I think, And
uh, it's just it's it's just very

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interesting. If I can I think
I can make a copy, Susie,

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and maybe someday I can, you
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to these via that might transfer to
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it's it's interesting, but I you
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a pug woodchie that they encountered.
Do you have any any sense, Susie

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about what what happened there? Yeah, it's you know, first of all,

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I don't think Holy Water would work
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be my line of defense. I
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That's the only time I've heard of
a Puckology possession, which is kind

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of what it sounded like. But
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out. But that area has so
many other things in it. I don't

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know how you would narrow it down, right. I mean, it could

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it could have been. It's it's
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You know, how do we really
know what it was? If something else?

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Chris Belzano said when he was describing
pug Wedges that they they show up

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or manifest or whatever along with shadow
people. Have you do you know anything

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about that? Yeah, I've heard
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this is what happens there are they
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a huge shadow person behind them that
seems to be controlling them. Really it's

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interesting, but I haven't heard that
in any specific sightings, so it's just

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kind of like general lore that you
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said that type of thing. Right, Okay, Now, how widespread is

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the pugwadgie phenomenon. I know that
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Yeah, in Indiana they have It's
Mound State Park, I believe it's

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called They have what they call Puckwadgie's
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are associated with. But they have
blonde hair and it's always described as like

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a bowl cut. Well at least
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are. And they are always described
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I've also heard that in the Wisconsin
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descriptions. Blue clothing, blonde hair, bowl cut, everything. And didn't

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you say some of them are supposed
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they like to wear the blue smocks. So it's got to be a blue

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one. You know that. That
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first, but I thought, well, heck, fairies were little green tunics

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and red caps. I mean,
what's the matter with a blue smock.

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There's actually duendes which are from like
Central and South America. Those are said

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to wear red caps, just like
gnomes from European lore. Also, something

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in dressed in blue is ringing vague
bells or something from Eastern Europe as well,

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which I can't remember the details,
but being dressed or being blue,

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I don't mean smurf something else.
Now there's something East European folklon. It's

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just ringing the back of my head
and I can't recall the details, but

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something about being dressed in blue.
So that's interesting. There's a parallel.

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There was something Eastern Europe. I'm
sure it's Eastern Europe. Are you familiar

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with the Pangaea theory with the Appalation
mountains? Yeah? Yeah, So New

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England and England used to be pretty
close together, and the Appellations are the

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same mountain range that the Scottish Highlands
are, So there are theories that some

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of these creatures are the same but
maybe evolved separately on different continents after they

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split. My sense definitely, Yeah, absolutely, Susie. You expect that

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these are flesh and blood creatures,
not something that is uh, I don't

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know, I don't I don't want
to say no dimensional, but something.

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You know, there are other other
so called cryptids out there that seem to

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be very sort of ethereal and manifest
and disappear. What what do you think?

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Uh? What do you think these
things are? I mean, that's

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that's quite a question. But do
you have any inkling as to what these

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things might be? I put my
bet on them not being physical corporeal beings.

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They do tend to disappear a lot. The Mohegan tribe has the maki

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ohe Suggs. They're eastern Connecticut.
They this is one of my favorite things.

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Those guys will not say a word
if you see one, and they

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will point and when you look in
the direction that they point, they disappear.

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Are there any other uh get in
somes of this this area that uh

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uh you know out in the northeast
that other other critters, other cryptids,

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other traditions besides these guys. Yeah. New England's kind of a spooky place.

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Lots of ghosts particularly, but we
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call it bigfoot, but some of
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In the hawk Mock Swamp there is
a particular place where they're sightings of it's

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kind of like a cross between a
big foot but looks more like an orangutane

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than a gorilla like a traditional bigfoot
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Boy, they really have just about
everything there. Uh, what you

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said there was seems to be a
distinction between what some of the uh,

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the UFOs or whatever, that seemed
to be more like perhaps classic UFOs or

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flying saucers, whatever you want to
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just sort of what meandering lights.
Yeah, they're called type wonkas is the

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Wampanog term for them. It's very
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If you're familiar with those. Yeah, yeah, they're often associated with

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puck wedgies spotted together. What's supposed
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a type a wonka and it'll be
moving, so you want to follow it

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to see what's going on, and
it will either lead you to a puck

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lodgee or it's a puck wedgie controlling
it and it might lead you off of

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a cliff. Isn't there a special
cliff? There? A well known cliff

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that people talk about, the acinet
Ledge. Yeah, it's in the Freetown

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State Forest. There's debate but what
happens there is people will be compelled to

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jump blowing. You can look it
up to it's google able. Happens today,

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and there's also strange accidents there too. It's an old quarry, so

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it's pretty tall. There's also another
story about it's a lady in white type

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of story, but she's supposed to
be an Indian princess. They didn't have

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a princess type thing the Wampanog tribe, so I'm not sure about the validity

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of that story. But there's debate
on if it's the puck wedgies lowering people

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off the cliff or if people are
picking up the sadness of this lady in

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white and feeling compelled to jump.
Tell us about the folklore about how I

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think there was a time when humans
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something that was some kind of rift
appeared yeah, so this is specific to

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the Wampanog tribe. Also, the
story is that puck Wedges used to live

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in peace with the Wampanog tribe.
They would still play little tricks on them,

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just be a little bit mischievous,
but they got along for the most

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part. And then the creator hero
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His name was Mauship, and the
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were paying all their attention to this
giant, so a lot like a little

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kid who wants attention. They started
to act up and they just got on

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the Wampanog tribes nerves. So what
they did, the Wampanog people went to

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Maoship's wife, because if you want
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That's how it's been throughout history apparently, and they asked her, you

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know, can you do anything about
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to handle this. So what Mauship
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in his arms, he shook them
to disorient them, and then threw them

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as far as he could. And
he is a pretty big giant, so

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they went pretty far. The ones
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mad, and that's how the rifts
started. There was that mad anger,

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mad insane. It could be a
little bit of both. There's only time

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frame for this sort of thing.
I mean, we took these really ancient

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past or more recent in terms of
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you'd be looking at like the late
fifteen hundreds at the latest. There's to

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be clear. That story comes from
a book written in nineteen thirty four.

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It was called The Narrow Land by
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who was from the Mashpee Wampanog tribe. He was a tribal historian.

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What we think happened was because he
could not just freely speak, he used

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Puckwadgies as a stand in for the
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So when he's saying like they're mean
and they do this and that and X,

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Y and Z, we think he
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what the Puckwages did when they came
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And then Mauship was so distraught over
this that he killed himself. Uh uh.

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You know, it's interesting because there
are there seem to be some patterns

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that show up here. The giant
snake thing, that's something that comes up.

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Even at the Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. That was people were saying that

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they saw these large snakes and some
of the reservoirs out there, along with

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all the other bizarre stuff that's supposed
to happen out there. And it's interesting

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you mentioned that these these lights show
up along with the pug wedgies and sometimes

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they seem to have some kind of
control over them. It seems, uh

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andy, that there are so many
places where you have cryptids on the ground,

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people are saying these things. There's
some kind of activity in the sky.

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I mean, if you look at
stan Gordon and the bigfoot sightings and

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the strange lights in the sky,
and even back to eighteen ninety seven the

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airships and on the ground in Ohio
and there was people were seeing some kind

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of a bigfoot in in Adams County
where the Serpent Mound is and they were

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all seeing these large black panthers.
So it's just very interesting that the Bridgewater

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Triangle seems to have some of the
same incidents. The giant snakes go back

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pretty far to those are like colonial
sightings, so back in the late sixteen

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hundreds, early seventeen hundreds, and
they're always they The way they described them

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was they were wide as a stovepipe, because that's their reference was. But

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I've heard like about twenty five feet
in New England. You don't get animals

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that big. A snake like that
would not survive the winter here. So

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those are interesting sightings for sure.
The giant snakes, just that suggests they

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might be something other than corporeal.
Yes, along with and the you know

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the a lot of these bigfoot creatures, whatever they may be, even though

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some seem to be a bit different
uh in description. Uh. They're also

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extremely elusive, which suggests that they
they might be able to, i don't

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know, to materialize or de materialize, or perhaps move into another realm that

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we can't see. Yeah, there's
theories that there's some kind of portal in

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the Bridgewater triangle. I've also heard
theories of the portal being to another dimension

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or being to the Scottish Highlands,
following up on the Pangaea theory. Oh,

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very interesting, I've ever you know, that's very interesting. I never

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heard that that the that these mountain
ranges are actually connected, and that maybe

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a lot of the the UH manifestations, folklore and so forth may have actually

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may actually be connected because of that
ancient connection with the land masses. One

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of the theories about how these internected
ideas from cultures who never had any communication

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with each other have similar concepts.
I mean, you know, I mean

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my sort of background in psychotherapy,
pctive unconscious, that kind of thing called

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youngzie is. I work with that
of course as part of my thinking.

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But the very idea that obviously alllird
masses were one mass at one point and

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things could well have developed separately as
the landmass has moved to pass I've come

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across before, definitely. Yeah.
There is also kind of an outbreak of

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strange known animal sightings in this area. There was an ocelot, alligators,

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seals, EMUs panthers cited, an
African lion was cited. But these are

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all in the seventies. It was
just that one time period. And I

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actually was talking to someone earlier today
who said that they had family in that

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area at that time that had practically
a zoo. So how many of these

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are escaped animal like pet animals.
Yeah, not sure, but they their

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family did have a bear that got
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Am I pronouncing that correctly? Massachusetts? Okay, I'm glad you corrected that.

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Okay. Was it Did it look
like a regular lion? That was

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somebody who worked with animals identified it
specifically as an African lion. Okay.

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There was some kind of Wild West
show there. He worked there, and

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apparently they had an African lion there
that was accounted for, so it was

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not the same lion. So it
might actually have a reasonable explanation. There's

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a gentleman named Kurt oh Is that
McCoy. He wrote an excellent book called

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White Things, and he discovered just
some really bizarre aspects of folklore. A

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lot of it was in West Virginia, but he was the theme was these

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different kinds of bizarre creatures that were
white, and there was one was a

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white lion that was showing up in
these different areas and it was very elusive,

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and the suggestion was it was something
more paranormal than physical. So I

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just wondered if this might be the
same thing. But this sounds like this

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poor guy just escaped from some kind
of a circus like affair. Yeah,

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and that one the police actually got
involved in. There were prints, but

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the prints were described as ten inches
long and four inches wide, which seems

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I'm not sure. I don't know
how big an average lions paw is seemed

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a little bit big to me.
Yeah, but this was like local animals

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were being killed during that kind of
outbreak. And there was a creature sited

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in the same neighborhood at the same
time that was described as being yellowish black,

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which I'm not sure what yellowish black
is, maybe like a dirty yellow.

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But it was walking on its hind
legs like upright, It's different the

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Phantom Menagerie. Let me do my
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Andy and I are talking to Susie
Basquille about the Bridgewater Triangle, the Pug

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Pug, puck Woodgies and all kinds
of paranormal incidents. I have to ask

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you, well we first first,
I want to I want to say,

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are there any are there any authors, any researchers that you kind of gravitate

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to any any particular books that have
meant a lot to you in your in

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your search for Pugwuggings or just the
paranormal in general. So I've I tend

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to like the older accounts. Once
you get towards Internet, you get people

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kind of copycatting old stories that they've
already heard. I just saw, actually,

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someone on YouTube that was basically mimicking
Maureene's story with the Puckwagi possession.

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Oh really, yeah, yeah,
that one. It was quite interesting.

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And you know, I like to
get mad about Puckwaji stuff, So I

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was, all right, you're very, very protective of those guys. They've

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been given a bad name. All
of the the sighting, the older sightings.

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They are not mean, they're not
dangerous at all. Nothing bad happens

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to these people. And then you
get the idea that Paquajis are mean and

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bad and evil, and then all
of a sudden, all of the stories

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you hear are mean, bad and
evil stories. Well, I hope if

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you encounter one, they appreciate the
fact that you have been kind of their

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uh, promoting them, and kind
of their front man, so to speak,

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front lady actually, But I mean
people say the same thing about five

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foot two redheads. They say we're
mean too. Oh I'm married to one,

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thank you, and I was married
to one. Okay, that's second.

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After the show, we're going to
be talking about redheads. Okay,

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walked through it. Is there paranormal
there or there? Well, since we're

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on redheads, I have to ask
you. I'm looking at your notes here,

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what is the redheaded hitchhike? Ah? He is my favorite character besides

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Puck Wedgies from the Bridgewater Triangle.
Does this have to do with phantom hitchhikers?

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Yes, ah, because that's something
that has come up a lot around

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that area. But go ahead.
Yeah, he is a very specific fandom

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hitchhiker. He's on Route forty four
in Rehoboth near the Seconk line for anyone

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that wants to go try to find
him. He's described as a well built

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man in his mid to late forties, and usually he's wearing jeans and a

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flannel shirt, and he has red
hair, usually disheveled, but sometimes more

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put together and clean shaven. I've
heard too, there's a discrepancy about his

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eyes, though some people describe his
eyes as normal, but something's wrong with

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them, like just not quite right, or some people describe them as black

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and lifeless. Other people have said
his eyes glow, but he always will

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kind of behave the same. Sometimes
you'll see him hitchhiking. If you stop

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to pick him up, this will
start. But sometimes he'll just appear in

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your vehicle. I think people don't
pick up hitch hikers as much anymore,

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so you may have had to change
tactics there, but he does now just

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00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:53,280
appear in your vehicle and he will
remain silent, ignore your questions, and

402
00:36:53,320 --> 00:37:00,760
then he will start laughing maniacally and
then just disappear. I'd rather have them

403
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,920
as a front seat driver reactions.
So you look at the back of the

404
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,760
call that someone says that good lutles. So when you when you go through

405
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:15,079
these these different stories and uh,
you know they again these as as Andy

406
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,599
knows and people who listen to the
show, I have always been fascinated by

407
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,880
these, these areas, these high
strangeness areas where all these different types of

408
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:30,400
phenomena seem to occur in the same
geographical area, sometimes over decades and decades,

409
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,840
even hundreds of years. And it's
always seemed to me that if we

410
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,079
focus on these areas, there's gotta
be some reason why. Uh. You

411
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:44,599
know, we had at Point Pleasant, West Virginia. We didn't just have

412
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,679
the moth Man. We had strange
lights, we had men in black,

413
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,559
we had animal mutilations, poultrygeist phenomena. Of course you've got the Skinwalker ranch.

414
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,960
Uh. And you know, you've
got all these different places, and

415
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:59,719
I have to wonder, you know
what, when you go through this,

416
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,760
Susie, do you are there are
there some that seem more credible than others.

417
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,639
I mean, I've always had a
hard time with the phantom hitchhiker thing,

418
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,320
although some people swear that they,
you know, these things have really

419
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,679
happened. Uh, do you uh, do you have any kind of an

420
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:22,159
internal uh gauge or whatever that when
you go through these stories to see what

421
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,760
might be legitimate and what what might
be a little more fanciful. Yeah.

422
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,199
So sometimes kind of the things that
are a little more out of left field

423
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:39,840
actually seem more credible to me because
it's never been heard before. It's not

424
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,679
like the phantom hitchhiker that's all over
the place, like everyone has heard those

425
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:53,719
stories. Right when you come out
saying I saw a troll in the woods,

426
00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,599
No one has ever benefited, like
their their social life doesn't get better

427
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:04,719
when they come out and say something
like that, just like you know UFO

428
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:09,599
stories, Bigfoot sightings. You know
you're taking a risk when you go public

429
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:16,159
saying something like that, whereas you
know a ghost story, no one's gonna

430
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:20,760
really some people might roll their eyes
at you, but you know it's not

431
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:24,800
as big of a deal anymore.
I don't think. So it's the people

432
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:32,159
that like put their reputation on the
line and we're like terrified afterwards that it

433
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:43,199
feels a little bit more credible to
me personally. And it's a very pervasive

434
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:51,119
type of lore. Like every culture
has little people stories too. Yeah.

435
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:58,119
Absolutely, have you ever looked into
as I think I've mentioned in some of

436
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:02,119
our communications that I am a follower
of John Keel and uh and uh.

437
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,400
I think I also maybe told you
about the drinking game. And but just

438
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,400
Andy, there's people out there right
now that are taking a swig of some

439
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,840
kind of adult memory. I I
know it, but you know, I

440
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,400
just can't I get the shakes if
I don't talk about John Keel. So

441
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,920
what was I going to say about
John Keele? Now that I guess I

442
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,000
just wanted people to get drunk.
Uh, you know, halfway through the

443
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:28,400
show. But uh, I had
a great you know what, I had

444
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,719
a great point here, but it
just kind of evaporated. It'll come back,

445
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,280
Oh yeah, yes, okay.
I was was going with with with

446
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:43,000
John Keel and Jacques file At another
major influence. And Jacques Valle wrote two

447
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,920
books uh uh looking at the UFO
problem as Nuts and Bolts, and then

448
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,719
he kind of threw up his hands
and he wrote Passport to Magonia, and

449
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Uh, I don't know, are
you familiar with that book at all,

450
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,320
Susie, Yeah, yeah, okay, not as familiar as you are,

451
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,920
I'm sure, but I can quote
it for bat them. But anyway,

452
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,480
Uh, nobody takes a drink when
I mentioned jock Ole as far as I

453
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:08,920
know. But he that's where he, of course looks into various traditions of

454
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,400
folklore, uh, the the fairies
and the gnomes and so forth, and

455
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:22,440
sees interesting parallels with some modern day
UFO experiences. Uh. The pug Wodgy

456
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,280
doesn't really seem to fit that.
Uh that there was there was a rash

457
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,920
of sightings in supposedly in South America
in the fifties. I think, do

458
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:37,480
you remember those Andy They were like
hairy creatures with claws that supposedly came out

459
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,920
of these craft and attacked these uh, these two truck drivers one time.

460
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,679
You know, I really there was
supposed to have been a wave of those.

461
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,519
They sound a little bit like pug
Wedgy with long nails, but I

462
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,199
don't. I don't think it quite
fits. But that was always very kind

463
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:58,199
of suspect of those. And then
in later years I heard that the supposedly

464
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,519
the CIA planeted some uh little men's
stories in South America. Now I don't

465
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,360
know if that's true or not,
but shame on them if they did,

466
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:12,239
because that kind of you know,
spoils the whole uh uh database. But

467
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,719
anyway, I think that I've always
found that very fascinating that the what we

468
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,880
think of as these elementals or or
little people or fairies or whatever, uh

469
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:30,000
has seemed to have been carried all
the way into uh the modern day with

470
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:35,320
some of the UFO experiences. Now
we're stuck with the grays Man and they

471
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,559
the grays to me, are are
boring as hell. I wish we could

472
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:42,840
go back to the good old days. We had some really really cool uh

473
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,960
aliens or whatever they are like Kelly
Hopkinsville my favorites. Oh yes, yes,

474
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,960
and you know flat woods and uh
the uh what was the one in

475
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,239
California, Cisco Grove, California.
They were a little bit like grays,

476
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,400
but uh they were they were very
uh uh inadequate and trying to catch this

477
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,119
poor guy up in the tree.
I mean you would have thought they had

478
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,239
a tractor beam more a net or
something, but these poor SAPs are trying

479
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,199
to climb the tree to get him
and the guys that were on a hunting

480
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,840
trip or something like that. Yeah, and then this robot like thing comes

481
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,480
underneath and and opens its jaws and
this this gas comes up and he passes

482
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,840
out and he has to tie himself
to the tree branch. I mean,

483
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:29,199
I I've heard that that person experience
that has come forward in more recent years.

484
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,400
He was anonymous for a while,
and it sounds like he had a

485
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,440
real experience. I mean that's just
just, you know, beyond bizarre.

486
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,760
But I don't know that I can
make a connection between uh, you know,

487
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,960
uh the uh uh Jacques Vallet uh
uh Passport to Magonia and pug Wedgies.

488
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,800
Uh. They kind of are and
maybe maybe they're their second cousins or

489
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,679
whatever. But they don't seem to
be well they but they are associated with

490
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,440
strange lights though, And that's that's
interesting. That's the most universal, isn't

491
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,719
it. This strange lights phenomena seems
to be present in so many of the

492
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,599
different forms of experiences that people have
had and strange sightings. As you said,

493
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,840
they start off as lights and becomes
something else. But the Pugwadji,

494
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,519
I mean it sounds like the kind
of things you get in Europe as well,

495
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,480
just small creatures who have who can
be mischievous and act up and cause

496
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,719
problems. It fits that kind of
idea. You find it all the way

497
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,079
across Europe as well, So there's
certain parallels over here. I'm in England

498
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,800
obviously, but it's one of those
things that, again, if you are

499
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,800
to interdimensional beings or creatures, they
could pop all over the world and be

500
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:38,199
seen perhaps differently by different cultures,
but have a similar form that then looks

501
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,360
a little different to any on the
background of the culture they appear in.

502
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:52,119
So yeah, I had actually suspected
because the Bridgewater Triangle area is where Plymouth

503
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:59,000
Colony was and I had looked into
it thinking like maybe the Puritans brought over

504
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,079
some Europeans and folklore, and that's
where we got some of these things.

505
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:10,800
But apparently the Puritans did not mess
with Fay folk at all. They that

506
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,880
was not part of what they believed
in. They had no interest in it

507
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:22,519
whatsoever. Perhaps the leadership may have
been, but perhaps the more sort of

508
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,679
individual people may have had some more
of an interest or at least an awareness

509
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,400
of their own sort of creatures if
you like the culture of where they've come

510
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,280
from, the can coming from the
UK, you know. Funny enough,

511
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,840
And at the moment, I'm actually
working on a friend's book I'm published on

512
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,920
these book is coming out next and
it's all about Essex witchcraft and talking about

513
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,599
the idea of connections between people who
would be working to get a church on

514
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,639
a Sunday would be say the Christians
who are definitely going to church with Sunday,

515
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:57,559
but also at the same time they
were practicing magic as well, and

516
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,000
saw no difference between the two.
Now, hi church would have been taken

517
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,679
against any kind of witch corp of
magic, so you'd think, But we

518
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,400
uncover stories of local vickers who would
use magic and that sort of thing.

519
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,800
They didn't have sort of sharp difference
between the two as you might have today.

520
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,920
So although Puritans in their ideology,
if you like, would have no

521
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,639
truck with which car magic at all, those who were followers of the faith

522
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:28,599
may still have had sort of hankering
backs to previous generations who would have had

523
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,719
a duality between the two ideas.
So it's still possible. I mean,

524
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,559
when it comes to Puritans, we've
got the writers of the leaders, if

525
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,480
you like, but they average sort
of Joe public member of the Puritan movement.

526
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:45,079
We don't know so much about this
is actually right in your Salem,

527
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:55,760
Massachusetts. Also, this area has
had several types of i'd say hysterias breakout.

528
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,960
Like in the seventies you had all
the animal sightings. I don't think

529
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:06,880
all of those are actual animal sightings. Apparently, like the police department phone

530
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,119
in several towns were ringing off the
hook with all these animal sightings. And

531
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,360
to me it feels more like a
psychological thing, like maybe one or two

532
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,440
people did see something. But I
think that area I just took it and

533
00:47:21,559 --> 00:47:28,840
ran. Yeah. Yeah. Also
I was thinking when you talk about things

534
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:35,199
coming over across the ocean, a
lot of people in Newfoundland carried over some

535
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,159
of the traditions about the fairies and
so forth, and there were all kinds

536
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:43,159
of beliefs about if you're out there
picking berries or whatever, you had to

537
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:46,880
have bread with you because if you
didn't, the fairies might grab you and

538
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,840
take you away. You had to
I guess you had to appease them with

539
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,719
bread or something. I don't know. I hope it was fresh bread,

540
00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:00,400
fresh baked anyway. But it's interesting
because that kind of goes into some of

541
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,199
the Missing four one one stuff because
of the story out of New Foindland that

542
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,280
uh uh uh, this this boy
didn't bring the bread with him and he

543
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,800
disappeared for about three days. He
showed up later kind of in a stupor,

544
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
as some of these people do that
in the Missing four one one books,

545
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,440
and was unable to say where he'd
been or what had happened. So

546
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,639
I thought that was kind of interesting. But this it seems that those traditions

547
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,840
came from Europe over to New Foindland
and didn't actually reside there. And and

548
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,960
then there's the uh uh, you
know, the uh uh, I forget

549
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:43,599
what they called these fairies or whatever. This this one guy in Newfoundland swore

550
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,599
that one lived in his barn,
and it would braid the mane of his

551
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:52,679
horse. And the the the braiding
of the main of horses is connected to

552
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:59,599
Bigfoot Uh, even the Uh the
Nain Rouge. This little red devil is

553
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:06,159
supposed existed in the Detroit area a
few centuries ago. So it's just very

554
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:10,559
interesting that these connections all, you
know, all come up. Now.

555
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:16,920
I don't suspect that the pug Wedgies
have ever been accused of braiding horses manes.

556
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,519
They have not, but there is
a connection there because in this area

557
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:29,800
you leave a basket full of fruit
under a tree when you go into the

558
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:37,280
woods so little people will not get
you. That's from the Mohegan tribe,

559
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:45,559
the mckeah weee Suggs, and that
was there was actually an interview with a

560
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:51,559
Mohegan woman. It was nineteen oh
three. She passed away in nineteen oh

561
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:59,880
six, but she had told stories
of like her grandparents interacting with the last

562
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:07,440
living mckeea we sug couple and trying
to heal one of them that was dying.

563
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,800
And so their lore is that they
were physical beings, but they died

564
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:22,719
out sometime in the eighteen hundreds.
What about are there incredible thunderbird sightings in

565
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:23,840
the area. Are there a lot
of them? Do you know? Or

566
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:30,719
how does that work? There was
actually one that was cited by a police

567
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:37,440
officer and he got a lot of
blowback from that, but still stuck with

568
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:45,840
his story. That was nineteen seventy
one in Mansfield, mass He actually the

569
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:54,440
sighting happened on the corner of Bird
Street and it was it's right near Bird

570
00:50:54,519 --> 00:51:00,840
Hill. We don't know why they're
named that. It was just a coincidence.

571
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:07,960
But he was driving around he saw
a dark figure that he said was

572
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,239
about six feet tall, and he
thought it was a hitchhiker at first,

573
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,400
so it must have looked more humanoid, And as he drove closer to that,

574
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:24,920
just huge wings erupted and the creature
flew straight up into the air,

575
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:35,559
and he went back to the station
and reported this, oh boy, well,

576
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,320
one of the so called classic mothman
sidings was actually much more like a

577
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:45,599
thunderbird. Tom Yuriy didn't really see
the six seven foot tall creature with red

578
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,840
eyes and a ten foot wingspan.
He did see something that was a huge

579
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,000
bird with about a ten to twelve
foot wingspan, and he was vehement that

580
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:58,639
it was not an osprey or anything
recognizable, and I was able to speak

581
00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:01,119
to him one on one, so
that it's interesting that, you know,

582
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:09,280
here you have this hybrid mothmand thing, a sort of humanoid but very very

583
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,960
strange and with wings that didn't flap. But also you're getting you know,

584
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:19,880
other types of phenomena in the same
area, like thunderbirds. Yeah, and

585
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,440
that's thunderbirds is a sue legend.
They're not close to the wampan og so

586
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:35,159
it's kind of interesting that they have
similar creatures in both cultures, right,

587
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,960
and it does seem to be kind
of prevalent in many many Native American cultures.

588
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,440
And what else we must be missing
some stuff. I know you've done

589
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,679
a lot of research and digging into
this stuff. What are some of the

590
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:54,079
areas that we haven't asked about that
you know about? So we've talked about

591
00:52:54,199 --> 00:53:01,480
Midwest papuags. Those are my favorite, I think I mentioned yes briefly,

592
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:10,920
So those are also interesting. They
will come into your house, whereas Puckwadgi's

593
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,519
are just in the woods. But
they're very similar. Besides that, they're

594
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,239
known to be just a little bit
mischievous, like they might hide your car

595
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:29,639
keys oh, things like that hapened. I might have my own duende here,

596
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:37,599
but it might be adhd also.
But they have actually people have told

597
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:46,639
stories of they accidentally destroyed what seemed
to be a little person's home and then

598
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:53,719
all of a sudden their life just
fell apart. Do well, that's not

599
00:53:53,800 --> 00:54:02,440
good. Yeah, I worry that
that's in now their situation of like how

600
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:07,760
puquadgies have been maligned, and people
just think everyone whose short is mean.

601
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,039
Now, I don't think Annie,
and I, well, I'm not terribly

602
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:21,679
tall either, so I you know, I'm a little toolder. Perhaps I

603
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:32,280
have nothing against short people. And
there's been some interesting sightings recently out of

604
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:42,840
South America, Argentina. I just
saw one. A woman saw she heard

605
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,320
something. She thought it was animals
fighting, and she went towards the sound

606
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:57,480
and a cat had a little person
kind of cornered and had already taken a

607
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:02,039
few swipes at it because it was
bleeding, and she kind of showed the

608
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:08,400
cataway, and the little man just
kind of like looked at her and nodded

609
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:14,960
to say thank you, and then
disappeared. On your blog, I think

610
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:21,159
you have an incident where I think
it suggested it's a pug wedgie and a

611
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:24,559
woman's out walking her dog and the
dog alerted on it. Yeah, there's

612
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:35,679
several sightings that involved dogs. My
favorite is her name was Joan. She

613
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:43,079
was from Freetown. Her dog's name
was Sid. She was walking her dog

614
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:50,920
in the Freetown State Forests and the
dog started acting strange and kind of led

615
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,559
her off the trail a little bit, and she looked up and saw this

616
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,960
little being. She was about ten
feet away, she said, so she

617
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,159
got a pretty good look at it. She said it was two feet tall,

618
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,400
gray skin. She described it as
looking like a troll, but it

619
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:14,199
had a chipmunk face and hair on
its arms and head. And my favorite

620
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:20,159
part is she said she couldn't tell
if it was wearing clothes because it's belly

621
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,320
hung down so low. I hope
it didn't see me in the Freetown State

622
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:32,320
Forests. And after that sighting,
like she and the dog got away fine,

623
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:37,920
nothing happened. But after that sighting, it was at least three times.

624
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,559
She said she was woken up in
the middle of the night and she

625
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:49,000
caught that same creature peeking in her
bedroom window. And she said she was

626
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:54,039
fully awake. She wasn't dreaming.
She definitely saw it peeking in the window,

627
00:56:54,519 --> 00:57:00,840
and she actually moved out of the
area after that. Have you ever

628
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:08,480
seen any credible photographs or footage which
alleged to be a pug wedgie that you

629
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:19,199
think might be credible? Absolutely not. Okay, yeah, don't hit your

630
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:23,760
bets there, Susie. You know, well, you know, I think

631
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:30,639
we're all kind of used to the
uh oh god blob squatches and the pictures

632
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:32,719
with the red circles on there.
You know, there's stuff in there,

633
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:38,480
and you and you look and I'm
I'm trying to even imagine something there and

634
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:45,239
it just isn't there. I yeah, I see it for puck wedgies too.

635
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:49,760
It's not as common because no one
besides me and two other people talk

636
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,960
about puck wedgies, but I have
seen it more recently too, like it

637
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:06,199
seems to be picking up some steam. Is a video on YouTube where someone

638
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:13,320
was using an EMF detector, which
I'm fine with that, like they could

639
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:19,000
be some kind of spirits or entities. I'm glad people are kind of thinking

640
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:22,920
outside of the box and approaching it
in different ways. But there was something

641
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:30,599
that scared this woman and she jumped, dropped everything, and the man the

642
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:36,599
woman was not the one making the
YouTube video. The man who was making

643
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:43,559
it kind of zoomed in on a
bush where you could kind of see something

644
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:46,559
that sort of looked like a face, and he said it was definitely a

645
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:54,559
puck logie. H. So that's
the kind of things that you see out

646
00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:01,239
there for pucklgy sightings. Not necessarily
you know, a blurry picture with a

647
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:06,320
circle, but same type of thing. I know you've been on a search

648
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,880
for books and and you've already you
did find some old articles in your on

649
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:16,440
your blog spot about pug Wedgies and
the way they certain teams were used used

650
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,679
the name for their their sports team
or whatever. But I know you've you've

651
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:25,280
had a rough time trying to find
references and books that talk about pug Wedgies.

652
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:32,239
Have you found any that have some
good information? Cris Blonzo's book,

653
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:40,400
right, there's Dirk Woods. I
think it's called It's got a sequel to

654
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,360
it too. I think, uh, something about the Bridgewater Triangle. I

655
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,360
think I think it's Ghosts of the
Bridgewater Triangle. Yes, that's it.

656
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:57,199
Yeah, he's got Bill Russo's sighting
in there. That's probably one of the

657
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:07,480
most well known pug wedgie sighting,
so that one I did get some use

658
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:12,360
out of. There's also a book
called hack Amock Place where the Spirits Dwell

659
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:17,159
by Peter Tower. That one is
probably my favorite. I've gotten the most

660
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:22,559
out of that. It's a little
older. It goes more into history,

661
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:30,559
exploring different theories and kind of more
like the background of it all. Are

662
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:35,519
you guys familiar with the stories of
the moon eyed people supposedly in Ohio?

663
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,760
I think I don't know, very
familiar. Yeah, they I don't know

664
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:45,039
much about them. I did find
a couple of really old books on American

665
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,960
history, and forgive me, but
John Keile mentions them in the Mothman Prophecies,

666
01:00:51,519 --> 01:00:55,880
and they were supposedly they shunned the
light, and the Native Americans drove

667
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,119
them out of Ohio. I think
maybe into West Virginia. I don't know.

668
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:05,960
I just wonder if there's any any
tenuous connection there with pug wedgies,

669
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,440
but probably not. So are you
do you research anything else these days?

670
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,400
Are you really focused on pug Wedgies. I've been more focused lately, but

671
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:23,760
I still enjoy anything strange, and
especially anything I can find a puck wedgy

672
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:29,199
connection to I went down that rabbit
hole the other day. We were talking

673
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:35,079
about with the thunderbirds and the Chicago
mothman sighting, Oh right, right,

674
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:39,480
some of those do seem to line
up, kind of formulating a theory that

675
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:44,639
there might be some connection between bigfoot
in little people too, because a lot

676
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:50,119
of the areas that have bigfoot sightings
have little people sightings. Also. Yes,

677
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,280
there's there's a book called Cherokee Little
People Are Real, and I have

678
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:00,400
not read the book yet, but
there is quite a tradition among various Native

679
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,960
American tribes of these small, diminutive
people that are supposed to exist. So

680
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:09,920
what's what's your what's your next step? Are you? Are you just going

681
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,679
to continue, uh, focusing on
well searching for How often do you get

682
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:21,039
out to the the Hakamack Swamp to
look for these little guys? Maybe like

683
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:25,960
once a month? Okay, springtime
it seems to be when most of the

684
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:34,719
stories I've found credible of sightings have
happened. They're all March April May in

685
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,000
there, So springtime I'm going to
try to get out there more. I

686
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:44,280
think I might need to get a
dog, because that's the other common denominator,

687
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,239
and I kind of wonder like,
are we walking past puck wedgies all

688
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:52,199
the time and if we don't have
a dog to alert us that it's there,

689
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:57,159
we just walk right past it.
Well, you need to have some

690
01:02:57,239 --> 01:03:00,559
kind of a T shirt that says
pug Wedgie Power or something like that so

691
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:05,760
that they know you're on their side. I'm wearing one right now that says

692
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,159
pluck Wedgy Whisperer. Ah. Well, that's your your logo that people can

693
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:14,519
see, and we'll see on the
banner that you, Susie Bestill are the

694
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:21,119
pug Wedgy Whisperer. That's pretty cool. Uh well, is there anything anything

695
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:25,960
else you want to cover before we
close out? Do we want to talk

696
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:32,800
about the Bill Russo siting because there's
always speculation that that might actually not be

697
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,159
a puck wedgie? Okay, yeah, tell us. Yeah, he was

698
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,840
out. He was working late nights
at the time. He got home around

699
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:47,000
midnight, and this happened in the
early nineties. He'd gotten home from work

700
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:52,320
and his dog needed to go out. His dog's name was Samantha, So

701
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:57,000
he's important to get the dog's names
and how is he in this general area

702
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,199
of the Freetown State Forest. Yeah, he was from Rainham. He grew

703
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:05,239
up there. He lived under what
they call the high tees. They're like

704
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:13,199
those big power lines. And Okay, the swamp was actually kind of like

705
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:17,159
abudding his property. He was like
right near the swamp. Okay, So

706
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:20,119
on this night, when he went
to take his dog for a walk,

707
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:28,440
they decided to go a different path
than they normally do. I've heard it

708
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,519
say he just decided to go a
different way. I've heard other people say

709
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:38,760
that the dog kind of led him
in that direction. And this is kind

710
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,880
of a rural area. So there
was only one street light on this road

711
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,239
that he was walking the dog on. Before they got to the street light,

712
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:55,840
the dog starts acting strangely, kind
of a low grumbling route growl a

713
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:00,400
little bit. And when he gets
close to the street light, he sees

714
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,920
that there's a little creature there,
and he actually hears like a high pitch

715
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:14,800
kind of screeching. At first.
He said the creature was about four feet

716
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,159
tall, and he said it had
three to four inch long black fur,

717
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,519
and he said it had a pot
belly, It was unclothed, it had

718
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:29,000
large eyes, and it had a
chipmunk face. And the way he described

719
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:34,800
it was he could tell it was
in the early phases of old age,

720
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:41,199
so it looked it just had a
more haggard look, looked a little bit

721
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:48,760
older. And when he got closer, this creature started saying, you want

722
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:57,239
chu kia kia, over and over
again. And he got a little bit

723
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:03,440
closer, and it kept saying it
a little bit more forcefully, and it

724
01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:13,639
started beckoning to him to come.
He did not fall for the trap that

725
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:17,039
he thinks it was him, and
the dog decided it was time to go

726
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:24,519
home at that point. But what
he thinks it was saying was we want

727
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:29,400
you come here, Come here,
is what he believes it was saying.

728
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:43,559
So his description doesn't fit the traditional
pluckuadgie description. Some people might think that

729
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,199
has to do with the shape shifting, or it's just, you know,

730
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,840
a really old story like it could
have been like a game of telephone and

731
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:56,760
been exaggerated, and maybe this is
what pluckuagies actually look like. But there

732
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,760
is also a camp of people that
thinks he actually saw a little foot,

733
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:11,360
not a Well in your mind,
you have no doubt that these beings,

734
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:16,800
whatever they are, are real.
It depends on your definition of real.

735
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:28,519
I think people are really seeing something, right. The more recent credible sightings

736
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:34,880
I've heard have just been from me
talking about paquajis to random people and them

737
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,320
saying, oh, I think I
saw one of those. I thought I

738
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:45,760
was crazy. Yeah, anywhere from
somebody was telling me they saw one when

739
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:51,800
they were little in a Meyer's bathroom. Oh geez, next time, next

740
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:59,079
time I go into a Walmart,
I'm gonna be very careful. Well that's

741
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,480
that's interesting, uh, you know, and it kind of makes sense because,

742
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:05,199
uh, I mean, how many
people know what a pug wedgy is?

743
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,679
So when you when you describe,
start describing this to people, and

744
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,480
then you know, maybe they have
some kind of point of reference. Yeah,

745
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,119
and it's not always necessarily a paqudgy
exactly, but there might be other

746
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:26,000
little people out there. There's something
that people are seeing. Well, when

747
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,800
you look at a volume of of
whatever the fairies or or or these beings,

748
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:35,840
I mean, there are just endless, endless types of of critters,

749
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:41,880
of of of of of creatures from
you know, all kinds of different countries

750
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,399
and so forth, and traditions,
so, uh, being, who really

751
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,199
knows and if what this guy saw, if if the pug wedgies are.

752
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:54,199
If they're real and they can shape
shift, perhaps they don't always manifest in

753
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:58,760
exactly the same way. Yeah,
and that area has always been weird.

754
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,359
Some people think that it was King
Philip's War because that's where that happened,

755
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:10,880
that you know from all the Native
Americans that were killed there. But the

756
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:17,520
Native Americans before King Phillip's War had
lore about the Hacamock Swamp. It actually

757
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:24,840
the name means place where the spirits
dwell ah, and they they would bury

758
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:29,520
their dead there. But they also
said that's where Hobamock lived, and he

759
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:35,720
was their deity for death and disease, which the Europeans called him the devil,

760
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:40,920
But the Native Americans looked at,
you know, death as a necessary

761
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,279
thing, so he was not like
an evil being to them. But they

762
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:53,920
were definitely that was a sacred place
for them already, and it had association

763
01:09:54,079 --> 01:10:00,239
with spirits and different creatures, and
they would actually hide in the swamp because

764
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:05,920
the Europeans were all afraid of the
swamp. There's another kind of a dark

765
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:12,800
aspect that I have heard about the
uh this area, and that is that

766
01:10:13,039 --> 01:10:17,880
supposedly, maybe I don't want to
go here but it's a place where bodies

767
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:24,640
have been dumped from maybe crime from
the Boston area or whatever. Is that.

768
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:30,279
Well, there's so there was the
free Town Satanic cult murders. Oh

769
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:36,960
man, I just opened the door
there, Andy. Yeah, so there

770
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:43,199
there were several murders that they ever
solved them, that never catch the perpetrators.

771
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:49,680
They did. It was he was
like a drug dealer, pimp type

772
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:58,920
character and he was killing sex workers. But then they were they were performing

773
01:10:59,079 --> 01:11:05,800
rituals and they found all kinds of
crazy stuff out in the woods. And

774
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:15,279
that was in the Freetown Fall River
line right at the southern tip. When

775
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,439
I was little, because my dad's
from Fall River, when we would go

776
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,720
up to visit family, we would
get like, oh, this is the

777
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,640
Lizzie Borden house and this is where
the Satanic cult murders were. And my

778
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:34,920
mom would get so mad and my
dad for it. Well, you know,

779
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:42,159
if if this place has had a
long history of death and high strangeness

780
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:46,439
or whatever, you wonder if that
you know this this person that obviously isn't

781
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:51,439
terribly well balanced, if if somehow
he was attracted to this area because of

782
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:58,039
the just because of the area.
Interesting, Yeah, and Fall River is

783
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,760
not a small town. It's you
know, a decent sized city. But

784
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:06,680
you have this area right near it, the Freetown State Forest, which is

785
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,359
secluded. So if you're gonna,
if you're you live in the city and

786
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:14,720
you need to go hide, to
body or do bad stuff, the forest

787
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,399
is the perfect spot for it.
Well, that's good to know. Uh,

788
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,560
it'd be a long drive for me. But you know that wasn't a

789
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:28,680
recommendation. Okay, I understand.
I understand. Well, uh, Susie

790
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,680
uh uh? Do you want to
give it out any contact information and maybe

791
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,800
talk about how people can find your
blog again? Yeah, it's puckwogis dot

792
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:44,760
blogspot dot com. You can report
sightings there anonymously. You can find me

793
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:53,560
on Facebook always talking about Puckwoji Susie
Bestial. I'm also on TikTok Instagram.

794
01:12:54,039 --> 01:12:58,399
Susie Bestial will get you to meet
either way. I am more than happy

795
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:04,479
to talk to anyone that has seen
a little person and I will not think

796
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:09,640
that you're crazy, So feel free. If you don't want to talk to

797
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,560
me, you can use the contact
form on the blog and I will not

798
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,439
bother you if you don't want to
be bothered and you have a very interesting

799
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:21,840
pin post on post on Facebook that
that says you're very happy to talk to

800
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,640
anybody be a messenger about cryptis and
so forth, but you're not interested in

801
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,960
dudes saying hey, baby, you
want to go for coffee. Sometimes.

802
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:36,920
I did have someone use the contact
form on my blog to ask what type

803
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:48,239
of little men I liked jeez,
So in case that's not clear, it's

804
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:54,960
not that type of little man.
Let's goot down. I hope people get

805
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,960
that message. Well, Susie,
it's been an absolute pleasure. I mean,

806
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:03,199
I know virtually nothing about pug wedgies
and the lore and the uh Freetown

807
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:08,680
State Forest. So I really appreciate
you sharing your information. And I hope

808
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:14,680
you come back when you have more
things that you've discovered. I hope I

809
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,439
have more things to come back on
and talk to you about. Well,

810
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,479
we can, we can always find
something we can. We can go more

811
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,880
into the giant snakes and uh,
we can talk about John Keele. What

812
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:30,840
the hell? Yes, I'll start
working on John Keele connection. Oh excellent,

813
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:35,279
excellent. You know what one thing
when you talked about, uh going

814
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:40,119
back to some of the old sightings. I like to do the same thing.

815
01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:44,039
It's a little different lately, uh
uh. And I think Andy will

816
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:47,520
appreciate this. I have been going
back and reading some of the old contact

817
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,680
d literature back when the uh they
claimed a lot of people claim they were

818
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:56,319
in contact with the Space Brothers.
And I'm reading a lot of these old

819
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,760
uh uh newsletters that they printed back
in the field fifties, when it was

820
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,039
perfectly okay to say flying saucer,
and back in those days there was the

821
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:10,600
Detroit Flying Saucer Club, and they
didn't know the difference between people that were

822
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,439
a little bit out there, like
Georgia Danski that said he met a Venusian

823
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,319
in the desert and uh uh.
The gentleman that ran the Project Blue Book,

824
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,600
Edward Rupelt, so that, you
know, one person is very credible,

825
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:24,239
the other just kind of out there. They didn't didn't have any idea

826
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:29,720
about that. And there's something I
don't know, just very uh, maybe

827
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,199
nostalgic, maybe maybe kind of like
I would love to go back to the

828
01:15:33,239 --> 01:15:36,520
old days and live through some of
that, you know, when when we

829
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:42,239
really didn't know, we really thought
that maybe some of these people were contacting

830
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,600
uh uh uh. You know,
it's the beautiful space brothers from from Beyond

831
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,680
that we're going to save us.
But so anyway, it's always a lot

832
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,920
of fun to go back and do
the research uh from uh, from the

833
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,840
past. But anyway, it's been
a real pleasure to have you here and

834
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,560
uh and Andy. Uh, it's
been been a lot of fun. Yes,

835
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,880
absolutely, I'm so a bit quiety
and but this cold has left me

836
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,039
a bit lazily. It's hard to
speak sometimes. But yes, it's been

837
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:12,319
interesting, definitely very interesting. Okay, I'm going to everybody sit tight.

838
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:15,319
I'm going to do our clothes out
here. The High Strangest Factor was created

839
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:19,800
by Steve wd and Andy Mercer and
his copyright and on the Paranormal UK Radio

840
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,359
network. I want to thank our
fearless leaders Irene Allen, Block, Mark

841
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:29,479
Johnson and Andy Mercer here at the
network. Also for Andy also for producing

842
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,960
the show and composing the closing theme, and thank you to Brian Zeller for

843
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:39,119
composing the opening theme. I can
also be heard weekly on Mac Maloney's Military

844
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:44,720
X Files as a correspondent on this
and many other platforms. In fact,

845
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,159
expect to see Andy as a guest
in March on Mac show. Indeed,

846
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,800
Yes, that'll be a blast,
and I am Steve Ward. You're a

847
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:57,800
humble host here on the high strangest
factor I've displaced Michigander deep in the Ohio

848
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,640
Valley and west by God, Virginia, inches from downtown Point Pleasant, living

849
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:06,359
on the same road that Mothman chased
two couples on November fifteenth, nineteen sixty

850
01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:10,880
six. Thank you all for listening, Andy and I will see you all

851
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,800
again at a fortnight or thereabouts.
Take care,