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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and
Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi Tanya, Hi Talia, how are
you doing this week? I'm doing fantastic. Sweet, I hope everybody else
is doing fantastic. And thank you guys all for tuning in to us.
This is a story. It's a serial killer, which I love. Yes,
I read so much about him over the years. I read an entire
like three page book. I recognize this serial killer for years and he's one
of the worst. And now I'm gonna tell y'all about I'm gonna share it
with all of us. Yeah, but before I do, I hit the
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us. Forgive me. I got some allergies going, so there's always something
I went on. I know I have bad allergies, so I'm a little
nasily, but you're ready. Yeah, Okay, this is about Gary Heidnick.
Do you know all about it? You know that you don't know I
am in for a tree, right, you know it's so horrible. It's
so horrible. Let me give you a little background, Okay. Gary Heidnick
was born November twenty second, nineteen forty three in East Lake, and that's
a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. His parents Michael and Ellen. They were
abusive parents, and he had a really hard childhood. He was the oldest
of two children, so it was only him and he had a younger brother
named Terry. Basically, Terry and Gary were all each other had growing up.
Both Michael and Ellen the parents. They were known to be violent and
they eventually divorced. When they did, Gary and Terry went to live with
their mother, and she remarried. It didn't take her long after the divorce
to find somebody else. They lived with her for four years, so they
were young, okay when this happened. When the children were old enough to
go to school, they ended up moving in with their father, who was
also remarried. The two boys were basically raised by their father and their stepmother.
Their father was really emotionally abusive as well as physically. Michael would beat
his children every chance he got, and Gary suffered from urinary incontinence, so
he often wet the bed, which caused a beating. I'm sure check mark
serial killer check he wet the bed. When this happened, his dad would
force him to hang the wet sheets out of the window of his own room
so the neighbors could see, just to embarrass him. One time Gary was
forced to hold up the wet, urn soaked sheets by his ankles from the
window. What I did, like hold them there. Michael would even go
as far as painting a bulls eye on the backside of his son's pants,
and then he would kick the bulls eye when he was at home like target
practice. Yeah, that's so sick. And sometimes he would make Gary ware
the wet pants to school if he had soaked them earlier. Needless to say,
Terry and Gary were scared shitless of their father, and they were scared
to even pick up things around the house because God forbid, if they ever
dropped anything, especially something that maybe it was like a glass, he would
just kick the living shit out of them, massively abusive. Any reason would
set him off, exactly. One time, Gary fell out of a tree
when he was extremely young, so his head was shaped a little bit odd
and the injury seemed to affect his brain. He had an IQ of one
hundred and forty eight. Oh wow. Yeah, he was extremely intelligent and
he did well in school. But there's just something off with Gary. He
didn't have a lot of friends. He refused to interact with people, and
he couldn't make eye contacts. Even if someone spoke to him, he couldn't
look him in the eye. And you know, often now it's a sign
of autism or something, but we're talking about in the nineteen fifties, he
wasn't friendly and this was believed to be resolved of just the abuse he suffered
at home. At the age of fourteen, Gary developed a fascination with a
military and asked his father if he could go to military school. Wow,
who asked Gary? Yeah, he was enrolled in the private, all male
Stoughton Military Academy and that's located in Virginia, the school closing in nineteen seventy
six due to mismanagement issues, but just so you know, it was successful
for about one hundred years. Gary studied there for two years but ended up
leaving before he graduated. He ended up going back to a public school and
then he trapped out at the age of eighteen, he joined the United States
Army and he would serve for a little over a year. He was an
excellent student while there, according to one droll sergeant, so after completing his
training, Gary applied for a few jobs that included the military police force and
jobs with specialist roles, but he was rejected. In nineteen sixty two,
Gary was transferred to San Antonio, Texas so he could be trained as a
physician or a medic. Really so he's very intelligent, but socially somewhat awkward.
He excelled at this and then he was later transferred to a military hospital
in West Germany. He obtained his certification after only being there for a few
weeks. Prior to that, he got a ged because he had to get
a GED before he could get the certification. Shortly after he got a certification,
that's when Gary showed some signs that maybe all wasn't right in his head.
He reported himself in August of nineteen sixty two, stating that he was
experiencing disneyness, blurred vision, severe headaches, vomiting. The doctors evaluated him
and diagnosed him with a flu, but the doctors also thought something's not right
with Gary neurologically. He was prescribed antipsychotics and that was to treat what they
believed was schizophrenia because he was hallucinating. Oh no. Later that same year,
Gary was transferred to a military hospital in Philadelphia, and this is where
he was officially diagnosed with schizo personality disorder. After his diagnosis, Gary wasn't
able to serve in the military. You can, you know, you know
you can't, but he was given a full pension for his mental incapacity.
According to some reports, Gary was extremely unhappy working in a hospital in Germany,
so he pretended to have mental illness so that he could get honorably discharged
for medical reasons. Because so he can get a pension because he's super I
mean a hundred and forty eight. That's no joke. So I'm as smart
as you and me kidding, No, yeah, babe. His pension was
set at one hundred percent so he could receive full benefits after it was discharged.
To play a devil's advocate. One of Gary's friends was there when Gary
was initially diagnosed and he said that the mental breakdown was one hundred percent legitimate.
In nineteen sixty four. After being just ar from the military, Gary
began studying at the University of Pennsylvania, which is a very good school,
very good school. He did lead the university. Shortly after, he enrolled
to pursue a nursing job at the Veterans Administration in Coatesville, Pennsylvania. So
he's working in a healthcare center. Basically, it was a doctor's office for
veterans and their families. Gary didn't last very long there because he was fired
for poor contact and poor attendance. He was really rude to and he would
show up, you know, when he felt like it, and sometimes he
wasn't even scheduled, and he'd be like, Hey, I'm here to work
and they're like, no, Gary, you're not scheduled. Andy, but
I don't want to work and they'd be like, no, Gary's time to
go home. That's weird. I mean, I'm paraphrasing. How basically that's
how it went. About three years later, he began a nursing job at
the Elwyn Institute, and that's a nonprofit organization located in Delaware count in Pennsylvania.
This organization provided care for adults and children who suffered from intellectual and developmental
disabilities. Gary ended up spending a lot of time in psychiatric hospitals because he
attempted suicide on more than one occasion. Remember I told you about his brother
Terry. Yes, Terry also suffered from the same thing. After their mother,
Ellen was diagnosed with bone cancer. And I told you Ellen was an
alcoholic and for years she just drank and drank. She ended up committing suicide
on Mother's Day, oh, nineteen seventy one, by drinking mercuric chloride.
What it's one of the chemicals used in embalming. Oh my god, what
the hell? Like, how do you? How do you? I don't
know. It sounds like it would be I don't know. It just sounds
like that would be just rolled up to a funeral home, was like,
Hey, can I have someone I don't know? I don't know. Gary
was seven at the time that happened. And Terry would later tell the Philadelphia
Inquirer and this is an eighty seven about his own suicide attempts, and what
stuck out the most is a comment he made about both Gary and him having
schizophrenia. According to Terry, they both suffered from schizophrenia, both attempted suicides.
They didn't own a happy childhood. So he thinks the diagnosis is correct
and he has it too. Yeah, and he has it two. Wow,
at the age of twenty eight. Are you ready for this? Yeah?
Gary from his own church. Oh no, yes. It was in
October of nineteen seventy one. It was the United Church of the Ministries of
God. He had taken a trip to California and this is where he discovered
his religious awakening. There he was known as Brother Bishop and at the time,
Brother Bishop had a congregation of five followers five one being his brother Terry
and one being his girlfriend. At the game. Under the church's name,
Gary opened a bank account and then he got something with Merrill Lynch and put
fifteen hundred in the account to start. Later the account would surpass five hundred
thousand dollars. That's about five point five million dollars today. The amount of
funds in this account really relates and demonstrates Gary's ability to manipulate personally and his
skills in the stock market. Damn, because he would invest the money.
Someone in his congregation said that he had a Cadillac and rules Royce and that
he would drive around in a camper and sleep on the streets of southwest Philly,
but that can't be completely verified. In nineteen seventy six, Gary was
arrested in charge with carrying an unlicensed firearm. It was a pistol, and
he was charged with aggravated assault. He shot a person who was offering a
rental property to Gary. He wanted to go look his property. There's this
guy's like, yeah, you know, here's the property. And Gary got
upset and took this pistol shot at the guy, raised his face. He
didn't end up serving any time for this, though this is nineteen seventy six.
I mean, shit happens. What the landlord, potential landlord? I
don't know what shit happened. Gary still had a tough time interacting with normal
human beings when he was younger, as I said, but he met a
woman named Gail Linkow and he was dating her. Eventually they would have a
son together, Gary Jr. Unlucky kid, I know. Unfortunately their son
would be putting a foster home due to the instability of Gail and Gary.
Gary was working at a mental institution because I told you he he's got his
own congregation going. But his big thing is to work with mentally challenged people,
and he had a resume to support his ability to work there. While
he was at one another mental institution, he met another woman and her name
was Aunt Janette Davidson, and they began a relationship. She was another patient.
So he's taking advantage of these women. Yeah, Anne, Jeanette suffered
from diminished mental capacity. She was illiterate. Her IQ was forty eight forty
eight. He's definitely taking advantage of her. She had a sister there named
Alberta, and Alberta was a patient too. Gary seemed to like an Jeanette,
and the two of them ended up having a daughter together on March sixteenth
of nineteen seventy eight, and they named her Maxine. Just like Gary Jr.
Maxine would get put into the foster care system because mom's a patient in
the mental hospital and dad is fucking nuts. H just be honest, like
seriously, Gary, Like you're having sex with the patients at a Montel hospital
and he's still a church leader. Oh no, but this isn't the entire
ship show. He's brother bishop. Yes, you're right. Gary was really
desperate to start his own family, even though he had two kids seriously.
Yes, he really wanted to have kids, he just didn't make the best
choices. No, that's putting it nicely. In nineteen seventy eight, Gary
signed Alberta out of the mental hospital for a one day pass. Oh,
she thought she was just being taken out for the day. It's one day
passed, but no, Gary took her to his home and he made her
a prisoner and his basement. While in prison in basement, he raped her
and he satomizer. It took ten days for the police to find Alberta.
And remember that's the sister of man Jeanette's to find her. She was shackled
to pipes what in the basement? She was terrified, covered in her own
blood. Immediately taken to the hospital and after I mean she'd been raped and
sadomized for ten days straight, she contracted ganaria. What Gary gave her ganaria.
He was arrested and charged with kidnapping, rape, false imprisonment, interfering
with the cousty of someone who's been committed, unlawful restraint, and involuntary deviant
sexual intercourse. The case didn't go to trial until November, and he was
found guilty. Do you know what they did. They put him on probation.
No, they didn't put him behind bars. Okay. Gary was given
three years in I think it's called a Taska Darrow, which is a quote
unquote prison for the mentally ill. He was originally sentenced for three to seven
years, but that was overturned on an appeal, and after three years he
was released and he was under supervision of a state sanctioned mental program. So
they're supposed to watch Gary. Yeah, while Gary was serving his time.
During this time, Anne Jeanette somehow vanished and she was never seen or heard
from again, and it's believed Gary had something to do with that. In
nineteen eighty four, Gary bought a rowhouse, kind of a cheap house in
a so nice area where they're all kind of very close together rouse in Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania. This house, Tanya, Oh my god, this house would
turn into one of the most notorious And when I say this, I mean
horror shows of the most evil things that could happen to a human being in
Pennsylvania. And when I say, I say, I swear to God,
I mean it. What happens there is so fucking bad. Tanya. Oh
no, let's start out slowly, Okay, from his home. He ran
a church. Oh god, he's still got his church. Got his church.
It's kind of like a cult. And he would advertise the church to
any neighbors who would give his creeps the time of day. The neighbors.
Some of the neighbors went along with it because the church expanded and it wasn't
no longer five followers. There are many more that joined to listen to Brother
Bishop, Brother Bishop. And then Gary gets married. What Gary used a
matrimonial service to correspond with the woman who lived in the Philippines, So it
was like it was like a match service to get married, like a male
order. Brad. Yes, okay, that's what I'm trying to say,
yea, even though it's not very nice. Her name was Betty, Oh
Betty, poor Batty. She just wanted a better life, I know.
The two wrote letters back and forth, and then Gary proposed a Botty.
She arrived on some family visa probably nine one thirty or fiance visa, because
I've done them. Yes, Betty arrived in Philadelphia in September of nineteen eighty
five, and they tied the knot on October third. Yes, Gary was
not what you would consider to be a good husband. Stop really yeah,
I mean Betty, like you said, she was coming to America. She
thought she was meeting the man of her dreams and hoping for a better life.
But what she got was the exact opposite. The marriage went down the
tubes rapidly. Betty found him in bed having sex with multiple women. She
was upset. Eventually he made her watch what and he forced her to have
sex with these women as well because she was abused every day. She was
abused during her short marriage Gary, Betty said she was raped multiple times by
him and beaten. In nineteen eighty six, Gary was arrested for assault,
indecent assault, spousal rape, an involuntary deviant sexual intercourse. So good for
Batty. I mean, this is eighty six. I know that's what I
was thinking too, Pennsylvania. I know, with all these charges, you
would think that maybe because he is you know this history, he writes,
put away, maybe in a prison. But no, Batty dropped the charges.
Oh Batty, Well, she didn't show up for the preliminary hearing and
Gary was free to walk away. Oh. I mean he not only beaten
rape Betty, but he would deprive her of food. It's just fucking sick.
I dude, I hate people. Come on, I know this is
only the beginning. Yeah, oh yeah. She did eventually get pregnant because
at some point after even though she didn't show up for the preliminary hearing,
she did file a child suport claim against him, so that would make it
Gary's third child. After his short lived marriage to Betty, that's when he
began kidnapping women and using them as sex slaves. Oh crowd. He later
on would blame the fact that Betty had left him and you know, yeah,
it made his blood boil, so he had to make up for it
somehow. He particularly targeted women of color and sex workers. And I'm gonna
tell you about the first victim as soon as we get back from them commercial
break. The first of his victims was a woman named Josephina Rivera. She
was twenty five at the time she disappeared. Gary kidnapped her on November twenty
fifth of nineteen eighty six. She was a sex worker. He offered twenty
dollars to have sex with him, and she agreed to go to his house.
He had already plans for what he was going to do with her.
After they both got to his house, he hit her, he raped her,
and then he chained her up in the basement. The basement wasn't an
ordinary basement, man. Gary dug a hole in the basement floor, and
just so you know, he would throw women in this hole to stay.
It was pretty deep. Oh yeah, it was a deep hole. Yeah,
it wasn't as deep as Silence of the Lambs, but it was deep
where they couldn't climb out. Yes, they could not climb out. Gary
put muffler clamps around Josephina's ankles and put nuts on the clamps, you know,
so she absolutely can't Yeah, to ensure she couldn't get free. And
then he would also use crazy glue on them. He did not want her
to be able to get free. And when you're using in crazy glue,
you can't just undo the clamps easy either. When Josephina was secured in the
hole, it's so bad. Gary put plywood over the opening of the hole
and he placed huge bags filled with dirt on top of it. So she's
in pitch black, pitch black scar Yeah, it's probably freezing in there too,
Yeah, in the basement. Yeah, I mean, it's Philadelphia yeah,
it's horrible. Where Josephina was chained wasn't wasn't very big. Like I
said, It's deep, but it wasn't really all that big. She had
to bend herself like a pretzel to fit in there. So again, it's
not like Silence of the Lambs, where there was room and lots of room.
I mean, once he put the boards on top, she had to
like bend down. When he wanted to use an abuser, he would pull
her out of the hole by her hair. He'd beat her with a stick
and rape her, and then he would throw her back in the hole.
Every time she heard him approaching, obviously, she would freak out. Josephina
was sure she was going to be murdered and then no one would ever discover
what happened to her body. After two days in captivity, she came to
the realization of why she was actually kidnapped. Josephina was told by Gary that
she was to produce lots of kids from home. No. Yes, He
told her that he had kids already, but the state kept taking them away,
and he said to her quote, well I got away now of having
kids, so nobody can take them away, and you're just the start.
You're gonna have my baby down there, but not just you. I want
to get ten girls here so you all can have my kids and he won't
want to have a baby, farmer, what's he gonna do with these tens?
These women are in holes? Like I mean, this is is not
well thought out thing. What the hell? Josephina couldn't believe this was actually
happening, and this was some plan that he wanted and believed he could go
through and it would succeed. But she was a bit relieved that he didn't
want her, right at least he's not going to kill her. He needed
her a lot. Gary was trying to enslave these ten women to create what
he thought was the perfect race. All of his victims were black women,
and he strongly believed that the races would eventually be mixed and then there would
be only one race about a hundred years in the future if he just mixed
it all. He believed that white people should absolutely mix with black people and
vice versa, and again, this was a way to have the perfect human
being. He also thought that tall people should procreate with short people, and
that short people should never procreate with other short people because society needed to have
taller people. Gary is not well, this geneticist, So let's talk about
his next victim. On December third, he kidnapped Sandra Lindsay when she was
only twenty four years old. She was mentally disabled. She was kidnapped on
her way to a grocery store. He ended up convincing her to come to
his home, and then when she got there, he chained her up,
just like he did Josephina. While the two women were together. And when
I say chained up, so there's this hole in the basement, but there's
also he's got other places to chain them. And sometimes he would squeeze two
women in that toll that I already said was small. Sometimes he would just
chain them up. So these two women were together and Gary would rape them,
and he would make each woman watch the other woman be ripe, and
you know, it's really messed up. Is the reason why Sandra came to
Gary's home was because she was a member of this church. Oh no,
and I told her she was mentally only a few weeks later, December twenty
second, he kidnapped another woman. She was a nineteen year old single mother.
Her name was Lisa Thomas. Lisa was lured by Gary while she was
walking and it was really cold out. He offered her a ride. She
accepted it. He bought Lisa some food because she was down and out in
her luck, and he drove her back to his house and offered her come
to my house. We'll have a glass of wine. And he seemed like
a really nice guy. And she was having a hard time that glass of
wine. He slipped her some drugs in it and made her unconscious, and
then he raped her. And when she woke up, she was chained up
in the basement next to Josephina and Sandra. When she became conscious, Gary
came down and he offered them all some sandwich as he made. Oh here
made ladies some food. What a nice man. On January one of nineteen
eighty seven, this is like boom, boom boom, Deborah Dudley was kidnapped.
Deborah was feisty and Gary was taken aback when she started defending herself.
As she was brought to the basement, she would talk back. She would
also defend the other women in the basement. Through the next few days,
so she was eating more and she was putting the hole more than the other
women. Gary was often humiliated by her because she did talk back, and
it really pissed him off. And you like, don't want to piss a
crazy fucking psycho off, right, He began making the captives eat dog food
instead of bringing them sandwiches and forcing them to have sex with each other.
We gave Gary the idea to feed his victims dog food was because every now
and then he would allow the women to watch a little TV that he brought
down, and some were able to watch it, others were putting what he
called a time out. One time, while watching TV, one of them,
one of the captives I don't I don't know which one, was watching
a dog food commercial. And keep in mind, they're not fed very much,
and she said that looks good enough to eat, because I mean,
they were pretty much always starving. They were at his mercy. So that's
when Gary decided, okay, dog food is. Since thinks it's good enough
to eat, I'm gonna give her dog food. Eventually, Debrah was murdered.
He was sick of her defying him, so he put her in the
pit, chained up, and he filled a pit with water in front of
the other girls. He forced Josephina to stick a live wire yeah in the
chains an electrocuted Debra to death. The amount of torture these women went through
cannot be explained. They were naked, chained, beaten, rate for ste
have sex with each other, starved, and the pit was just, you
know, the worst thing. And Debrah was putting that pit for a while.
I mean when he put him in a pit, we're not talking about
an hour. Sometimes it was days. And so yeah, he filled it
with water and then made the other woman, Josephina, electrocute Debra. After
Debra's death, Gary made some changes. He purchased a portable toilet and he
allowed the women to use tampons. He also began allowing them to Bathe really
not because he cared about them, but he wanted them clean. They were
getting I mean they it's getting getting gainey. Yeah, and he wanted them
clean when he would rape them. Now that he murdered Deborah, he had
to replace her, so he kidnapped another victim, Jacqueline Askins, And this
is on January eighteenth, nineteen eighty seven. Jacqueline was only eighteen years old
at the time of her kidnapping. When she was kidnapped. There was a
single toilet down in the basement where Gary kept his captives. There was no
plumbing for the toilet. It's just gross, and it's just gross. That's
why he ended up getting the portable one. The women would whimper, of
course when they heard Gary comming, because they knew someone was going to be
beaten and someone was going to be raped, and they were tortured. They
were all tortured and want to tell you about it because it's coming up.
It's just it's so bad. He didn't like how the women were now crying
and I mean they have PTSD and they're they're in shock. Oh they want
He wanted them to be happy he was coming. This is bad. Yeah.
He gouged out their ear drums with a screwdriver what so that way they
couldn't hear him coming and start whimpering. Oh my god, it's bad,
it's bad, it's so bad. There are many times when the women misbehaved
and they would be severely punished. Sandra was caught trying to take the plywood
from over the covering of the pit. She's trying to escape. This made
him so angry. Tanya so angry that he hung her by her wrists from
a beam. He hung her there for a week? What a week?
A week? Oh, it must have been so painful. Before this even
happened, she was already sick. She had some sort of infection and she
had a fever. I mean, so she's weak. She was given only
pieces of bread to eat while hanging each day. Eventually she was removed from
the beam. But that's because she died. Oh no, yes, When
he realized she was dead, he took her lifeless body from the beam,
brought it upstairs and I can't this is going to be this is real,
gruesome, guys. He dismembered her with a power saul. Then he boiled
her flesh. He put it in a food processor, mix it up with
dog food. Oh no, don't tell me, please, don't stop.
He fed the food to his dogs. No, but remember he also fed
dog food to his captives. He fed Sandra to the remaining victims as well,
And actually he did the same with Deborah Sports. Both women had been
boiled and what a sec food processor and fed to the other women. How
did I not know this story? I don't know the survivors because there are
survivors later stated they'll never forget the smell of boiling flash. And when he
fed Deborah and Sandra to the other women mixed with that dog food, they
did know that what they were eating. But you can't judge them there starving.
They're starving and if he did, if they didn't eat it, who
knows what he would have done to them. They just watched a woman being
hanged for seven days until she died, So like judging is, it's not
okay. He cooked on one of the women's ribs in the oven. He
cooked that both of the heads on the stove, and the smell was really
bad, and the neighbors called the police. I'm gonna so the police came
because that's how bad it is, and the police knocked on his door.
They questioned Gary. He said that he burned a roast and lost track,
just lost track of time, and he burned a roast. The women,
as I said, they'd been starred and they either had to eat or die
from starvation. That's how much he didn't feed them. Wow, And that
was basically all they were given during their captivity was some bread, dog food,
and dog food mixed with other victims. One of the survivors would later
say, quote, if it wasn't for me eating her or eating dog food,
I wouldn't be here today. God, what a fucking choice. I
don't know. Oh my god. And then like I said, if you
don't do it, it's bad. That's really bad. On top of all
the rape and torture, he made Josephina beat the others while he watched.
But see, Josephina was I don't know how to say it, but trying
to play a game. She was trying to get on his good side with
the hope that she could escape and save everybody else. So she did what
she had to do in the hopes of eventually her being able to get out
and save everybody. Not because she really enjoyed it, that's my opinion.
I read a lot about it, that's my opinion. So Josephina's made it
beat the other girls, and he would watch, and she started paying attention,
and she began to really figure out how Gary worked. She was really
good at judging what motivated him and what didn't, and she was extremely motivated
to get the hell out of this hell hole and live. So she studied
him basically his everyday pad and Gary had told her his dreams of one day
having ten children, and she dreamed of escaping. But she didn't obviously tell
him that. She knew Gary wanted a true connection with someone, even though
Gary's all shaved the fuck up, so she played into it. He treated
obviously everybody horribly. But one of the weaknesses she noticed in Gary is that
Gary really wanted the women to give a fuck about him. He wanted them
to view him as a person. Josephina thought that is why he got so
pissed off whenever the women would try to escape like Sandra, or talk back
to him or hurt his feelings. It really that was like what triggered him.
He just wanted to be loved. He just wanted to be loved to
Leaf. Yeah, how come they didn't love him? Josephina was completely repulsed
by him, but she decided the best way to survive was to try to
be his friend. She began to do everything that he asked of her,
and as I said, this was beating and torturing the other women. She
would always validate his feelings and make him believe that she understood why he was
doing what he did. This paid off Josephina was allowed to go upstairs.
Oh yes, she was granted more privileges, and on one point she was
allowed to cook from Wow. The two would watch movies together. Oh,
this poor woman, But as soon as the movie was done, she would
be sent back to the hole. Really, so she's getting some punishment even
though she's getting to him like he would punish her. Josephina could have escaped.
I mean, she was unchained and allowed upstairs, but she thought,
if I take off running, he will go and kill the other women before
I have a chance to save them. She was really nice of her.
She knew that he would immediately go down to the hole and kill the other
women without a second thought, and to her, she just couldn't do it.
So she continued to play the game and gain more and more of his
trust, and it worked. She played the game so well, in fact,
Tanya, that she was eventually able to convince Gary to take her home
what to visit her family so she could say her final goodbyes and just be
with Gary and have all those babies. Wow. She told Gary that she
was going to be with him forever. She just needed one last goodbye to
her family and Gary being fucking stupid. Said okay, that's crazy, and
he took her back to the city close to where she lived, and he
parked at a gas station that was in a couple blocks of her family's home.
The reason why he parked there, that was Josephina's idea. She said
she didn't want her family to be able to identify his car, and she
didn't want him to get any trouble. Oh, that was smart because of
her disappearing and all that. So he parked, She got out, and
he told her she gets fifteen minutes. She nodded, okay and calmly walked
away. When she got out of his sight, she went to the closest
pay phone and dialed nine one one Wow. She called the nine one one
operator and said that five other women had been kidnapped and said to the dispatcher
that if Gary was able to get away, the rest of the captives would
be murdered. On March twenty three, in nineteen eighty seven, Gary was
arrested while he was in the car at the gas station waiting for Josephina to
come back the wild Wow. What I didn't tell you is that earlier that
day he'd kidnapped another woman that same day, twenty four year old Agnes Adams.
Luckily she was laid freed. Yeah, the police came and they ended
up freeing all the women that were still left Brother Bishop's Church. They were
pretty upset by all this. They were so dementa Tanya, I mean,
it just shocked everyone. It is horrific. He was in a rowhouse too.
How does this neighbors not know what's going on? They were in the
basement, them, they were in the basement. One person stated it was
one of the most heineous crimes I've ever heard of. It's a memory that
I'll never forget, and the thought of it is still with me to this
day. I will never forget the coverage of what the police found inside.
The police gat us search weren't and when the agents entered, they discovered the
remains of two deceased women, parts of their body in a freezer inside containers
labeled dog food. Oh my god. On the stove, they discovered a
severed head still inside a pot. Are you fucking kidding me? No.
They also found three women chained up in very bad shape. They were naked,
beaten, blooding, and malnourished. But free. Yeah, you're gonna
hate this, Tanya. Okay. Gary's trial began in June of nineteen eighty
eight, and you know what his defense was. The women were already there
when he moved into the house. Shut the fuck up. What? Yes,
he had a lawyer. Yes, they went with this. Yes.
When Gary told his attorney about feeding the dead victims to the girls, his
attorney, his name was Charles Prudo Junior, made a sick joke by asking,
quote, what seasoning did you use? Oh? No, that guy
really has no soul. What the fuck is that? I don't know,
some public defender that couldn't get a real chick defense public defenders. Yeah.
In the end, Gary ever admitted to actually doing anything wrong, and they
did try the insanity defense, but because Gary's IQ was so high, they
said he knew right from wrong, even though he was schizophrenic, his mother
was not well, and his brother was insane. Gary had an explanation for
every evil thing he did, and he remained completely calm during the process.
His attorney had suggested to him that he not bathed for months and not from
his beard and let his mustache grow out to really give the appearance that he
was insane. In the end, though, Gary was convicted of two counts
of first green murder, five counts of abduction, and four counts of aggravated
assault. This was a Keppel murder case, so he was sensed to death
by lethal injection. His execution was scheduled for April fifteenth, nineteen ninety seven,
but there was last minute an appeal that was filed and it was regarding
Gary's mental competence. On July sixth, nineteen ninety nine, Gary was executed
by a lethal injection and he was the last person to be put to death
in the state of Pennsylvania. Wow. The DA never pressed charges on Josephina
for being involved with the murder of Debra since she was the one that saved
in the end, and to them, that was the sickest type of torture
anybody could habitually be forced to kill somebody else. It's just so sad.
When Gary was executed, the remaining victims were invited to attend. Jacqueline did
attend, so did Sandra and Deborah's family. Sandra's sister said quote, I
went to the execution, but it was too calm and serene for me.
I'm thinking execution is something like turn around and let me shoot you. Instead,
they just stuck a needle in his arm. He never looked at us,
never acknowledged us, never said he was sorry. He didn't say anything.
He didn't even look at our direction. Do you want to know what
the last meal was? Yeah, you can read it, because we like
to know that prior to him dying he had. His last meal is two
slices of cheese, pizza and some coffee. That's it. Yeah, I
guess he wasn't all that fucking hungry, Tanya. Crimes of what Gary did
were so fucked up in Amena they actually inspired Hollywood writers to think of the
role of Buffalo Bill in the movie Silence of the Lamps. Yes, there
was a quote later from Jacqueline, one of the survivors, when she was
interviewed, and in regards to Josephina, she said, quote, she killed
Debbie and we all could have gotten out of their live. There was a
lot of stuff she did that she didn't have to. I just thought she
took on her serial killer ideal too. She was the oldest, she was
supposed to protect us, even though she was in a bad situation. She
was supposed to protect us. Quote. I don't think that's fair to Josephina.
I wasn't there. I don't know. I know she ended up seeing
what she did. I know. I'm not blaming josephina I there are so
many more, Like when you read three hundred pages of a book of the
constant torture an abused that these women went through. It's seriously one of the
worst cases. You can imagine a pit an abasement, any like that being
fed and humans broke their ear drums with the fucking screwdriver. I don't Yeah,
it's bad, so bad. Oh, t Lea, this is just
messed up. Yeah, that is the story of Gary Hyde. I'm glad
he's dead. Yeah, although I know the family really didn't get any satisfaction
from it. But wow, thanks for that to Leah. That was fucked.
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