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And at Acas. Hey, everyone, thanks so much for listening to tonight's

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live stream episode of the show.
Instead of doing things the way I normally

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do them for a show, I
want to put something out there for you.

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There are a lot of things that
we take for granted in life,

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and one of those things is our
ability to just go out after dark and

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do whatever we want to do or
need to do without any hang ups or

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problems. But unfortunately, as you're
going to hear when you listen to tonight's

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guest talk about his dog mean encounters. When you think about it, we're

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really literally only one experience with a
dog man a way in a lot of

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cases from that just falling down around
our ears. There's a real delicate balance

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when it comes to that. So
that's why I'm so appreciative of all the

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support that so many of you extend
to these guests who come on the show.

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Like I've said before, I can't
thank you enough for all of your

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help. Your support means so much
more than you're ever going to realize.

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And like I said, I really
can't thank you enough. But let's not

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waste even more of time. Now, let's bring tonight's guest on so that

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you know, tonight's guest wishes to
remain anonymous. But with that in mind,

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I'm just going to refer to him
as Mike. Mike, thanks so

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much for coming on. Thank you, Vick. You're very welcome. Well,

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it's great having you here. Enough
for the reasons that you're here,

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but it's great to have you here. Nonetheless, Mike, please give us

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a brief file on yourself. Well, Vick, I was born in the

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sixties out in California. When I
was born, my dad was in the

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Marine Corps. We moved from there
to Oklahoma, where I'm at now.

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I was raised out in the woods, camping, fishing, hunting, you

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know, doing typical boy stuff.
Wound up a lot with stitches and broken

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bones because I was a bit of
a wild child, and to me,

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the woods and everything like that was
the second nature. I could be out

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early in the morning at four o'clock
waiting on the woods to settle down for

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deer hunting. Or I could be
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all night long, just sitting there
just fishing by myself, no one around,

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just having a blast. You know. I went into Marine Corps myself

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in the eighties, got out of
the Marine Corps, started law enforcement,

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did that for a while. Yeah, I didn't really get tired of that,

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but there was an incident that happened
that mentally I could not get past.

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So I got out of law enforcement, and I got into corrections,

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did the corrections for a few years, and then I got the job where

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I'm at now, where I've been
for eighteen years as a security supervisor.

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And that would pretty much, I
guess sum it up. You've had a

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full life. That's a safe bet
to say You've done a lot, and

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all the things that you used to
love doing outside, especially in the outdoors

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after dark, that you can't do
any longer anymore because of the dog meaning

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encounters. That's one of the reasons
why it's so nauseating that you have experienced

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them. It really is a shame
you can't go out and do all these

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things. You're getting better though,
from what I understand, so hopefully it's

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just a short matter of time before
you're actually ready to start doing those things

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again. But of course, baby
steps, time will tell yes. And

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those seven magic words of yours that
you told me to remember have been helping

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me tremendously like I said, getting
out, and I don't get into the

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dark or stay in the light,
but I'm edging closer to it, you

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know, listening and like I said, being I'm very hyper aware of my

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surroundings at night. It doesn't matter
if I'm going to my car after work

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or if I'm setting out of my
front porch just watching you know, people

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or whatever the neighborhood. You know, I'm still very very hyper aware.

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But it's starting to get better with
a little baby steps. Well I'm glad

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there's improvement. Yeah, bit by
bit, hopefully you're going to get where

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you need to be. It's just
going to take time. That's what I

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want. VIC is, like I
told you, I'm tired of, you

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know, I guess you say,
basically living in fear. I don't want

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do it. It really is a
prison without any walls. Before you had

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your first dog meaning encounter, you
had an idea about them. That's quite

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a bit different than it is now. How so, well, Bick,

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to be honest, I've heard about
him. I'd listened to podcasts, I

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watched YouTube, and I listen to
things on YouTube about it and everything,

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and I always, you know,
thought, well, maybe it's possible,

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But I don't know, because there's
stuff they find out there every day.

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But I kind of put it in
the realm of it's probably not really out

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there. Maybe I'm just making something
out of it that it's not, you

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know, But I'll tell you that
night, when it happened, what I

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put on basically the back burner,
it became very real reality, very real.

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Yeah, when you have an experience
like that, it does become all

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too real quick, it does.
You mentioned the casino where you've worked for

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the past eighteen years. How do
you work there for so long? How

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do your co workers see you character
wise? Well, they all see me

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with no problem. I am trustworthy
enough of my supervisor whenever, or my

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boss, my manager when she hires
new people. I'm the one that trains.

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I'm the one that takes them through
everything. You know. And she

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will tell them you do not get
off his hip pocket. He will not

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steer you wrong. She will tell
them too that I am the type of

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guy that no matter who it is
or what it is, I will deal

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with it straight up and and just
she lasts, and she'll say he'll even

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take his own mom and put her
out of the casino. Where he has

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to. You know, it's but
that's how That's how I am there.

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That's how I like to do my
job. You know. I like to

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be the best that I can be. I do my best to be the

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most honest, and of course because
of my background, I work very easily

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with lawfort and stuff like ED and
those guys over the years have gotten to

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where when they come in the door
if they need something, I'm the first

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one they come to. You know, they'll look for me and they'll talk

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to me and find out what's going
on and stuff like ED because they know

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my track record. You know,
they know where I've been, they know

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what I've done, and they know
I'm not going to give them the run

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around or anything like that. You
sound like a great boss to have if

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I was to try to be well, it sounds like it sounds like you

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are. I'm impressed. I really
am. You had your first dog mean

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an encounter in twenty twenty one,
but I've had more since then. Do

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you think your encounters just might be
connected in some way? I think they

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might because Vick after that first one, the other ones after that, it's

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like they knew me. And maybe
it's hard to explain, but they'd look

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at me like, well, I
think I know you, I think I

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know you, or they'll look at
you like I know you, I know

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you. You know, especially on
that last one, the last one here

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a few weeks ago. I mean, that was the one that really set

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me going, because I believe that's
the one that really drove it home that

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maybe it's the same one, you
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stayed in the dark, but I
knew what it was because it was outlined,

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and when I was in the light, I stayed in the light.

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I didn't you know, wasn't able
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threw the light into the dark area, but you know, it just it's

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like at last one looked at me, and it was just like if you

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know somebody on the street look at
them and give them that look like dude,

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I know you, and you know
they recognize that look and they go

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from there. You know. That's
that's what it. That's why I think

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they're connected. I apologize for this. I can't remember if when we had

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that last conversation, if I brought
this to attention or not. When we're

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talking about that look that it gave
you, but you're far from the only

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eyewitnesses reported seeing that kind of a
look. Oh there you are, recognize

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you the recognition? Did I mention
that team? I do not remember.

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I can't recall either. Again,
I apologize. I speak with so many

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eyewitnesses, so hard to keep things
like that straight. But I just want

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to just wanted to make sure you
understood that that I brought that to your

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attention. But having said that,
let's dive into it now. Mike,

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please tell us about your encounters.
Now, give us every last detail that

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comes to mind. Okay, it
was about in May, first part of

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June and twenty twenty one our casino. It hadn't been long. We just

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acquired a building that was across the
street from us, and we had to

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go out and walk around this building
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to make sure that it was secure. Well, there's about a ten to

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twelve foot fence on this building,
and it's got razor wire or barb wire

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at the top of it to keep
people out. And I'm walking around this

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building. It's a nice night,
but it's a windy night. I appreciated

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the breeze, and I remember that
the fence was shaking, and I just

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attributed it to the wind. I
thought that's what it was. Well,

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as I'm walking around the building along
this fence and I get down to the

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far end of it, there's an
electrical right of way that goes through there,

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and I come around the corner and
I always look down that electrical right

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away. I think, you know, it's pretty neat. It looks like

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a highway through the road. If
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that maybe a person could just drive
down it. You know, it

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was a road. I used to
think things like that, and I just

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kept walking and I got to the
front of the building. And as I

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was getting towards the front of the
building, in the corner there, I

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remember a smell. And the smell
I just attributed to a mushroom farm that

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we have here, because when they're
turning their composts and stuff like that,

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because those guys work real late,
that smell gets pretty bad, and that

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wind blowing out of the right direction
just brings it right to you, even

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though it's miles away. Well,
I go around the corner and as I'm

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going around the corner, I heard
a growl and I thought, oh no,

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because you know, we got coyotes
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we got wild pigs. I mean, we got all kinds of stuff up

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there. And I hear this growl. And when I heard the growl,

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every hair on the back, my
neck stood up, every my body was

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standing up. I immediately got weak
because I thought, you know, in

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the knees, because I thought,
these coyotes are coming across the street,

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is what I thought, you know, and that's something that had never happened.

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And so I was thinking of ways
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but at the same time trying not
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of them. So I kept walking
and as I'm walking along, I hear

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footsteps sound just like people you know, me or you walking is what sounded

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like to me. And I get
to a point I finally look over there

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to see what it is, and
vic this thing. It was a minimum

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eight foot minimum. I had never
seen anything like this. Those woods that

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it was in. It was like
staying towards the edge of the woods and

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I'm right here at the very edge
of the light that the lights on this

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building are providing, and I'm like, oh, no, oh, no,

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what And all of a sudden,
I just it's like I told myself,

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I'm a dead man. I'm a
dead man, because I had been

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hearing about it on YouTube, listening
to your podcasts and stuff like that,

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and I thought, oh, here
we go, here we go, they're

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going to find my body. They're
gonna you know, I mean, all

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these things are running through my mind, racing back and everything like that.

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I wanted to run, but something
and I'm sure it was my training from

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military and everything, because I was
in the infantry and I could not bring

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myself to run, but I did
pick up my walk pace and I kept

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walking, and it was like this
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He wouldn't come into the light for
some reason. I don't know why.

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I guess maybe that's why I feel
so safe in the light, is because

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for some reason he wouldn't. And
I'm sitting there and I'm going along and

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this thing as I'm getting towards the
end of the building, he just he

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growled again. It was a second
growl, and I'm thinking, oh God,

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he's coming across. He's coming across, and I know that these guys

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up in surveillance you know, we
have cameras there and stuff like that,

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and they watch us and whenever we
go out there because of you know,

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people, So they're more afraid of
people, I think than anything else because

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of the way people are and they're
watching us and stuff like that. And

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I get out there, I'm walking
along. I get to that corner and

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I get to the street I had
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And I go across the parking lot
and I walk up there and it

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did it again. It growled again, and I could hear it walking again.

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I thought, oh man, this
is it. He's going to get

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me in the parking lot. At
least it's going to be on video.

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You know, they can't deny whatever
it was, you know, stuff like

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that. And I started backing up. I turned toward it, and I

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thought, if it's going to come, at least I'm seeing it coming.

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And I started slowly backing up toward
the casino. With my back to the

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casino. I couldn't take my eyes
off of it, and it just stayed

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in that light. It never would
come across the street. But I always

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thought, if I had my back
to it, it's gonna come. So

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I couldn't turn my back. I
just couldn't do it. And so I

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kept watching it and watching it,
and I remember, you know, as

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I'm backing up and I'm looking at
direction, and I know what it is.

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I didn't have to see it because
I'd already seen it. And I

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remember thinking, this thing's got hands
big enough it could crush my head,

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you know. And it's like I
told you whenever I talked to you,

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I went to school with a kid
was seven to two that could palm a

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basketball. And this thing had hands
bigger than his. He could he could

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probably throw the basketball like a baseball, you know. I mean, I

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know he get from the size of
him huge, I mean, he would

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put any bodybuilder. I knew the
shame and his arms, he probably wouldn't

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even have to get within four foot
of me to reach out and grab me.

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And so I keep backing up and
backing up, and the whole time

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too, while I'm doing this,
and all this is going through my mind,

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I'm thinking that this thing decides to
come across the road and follow me

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into the casino. How am I
going to protect these people? This thing's

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going to be able to come in
the door and do whatever it wants,

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and there's nothing I can do to
stop it. You know, it would

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be a lot of issue, a
lot of trouble. And after that night,

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on that night, their guy up
in surveillance, he comes down and

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he asked me, He says,
did you see that? Did you see

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that? And I said, yeah, I did. I said, I'm

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not going to lie about it.
I seen it. He said, oh

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my god, He said, how
did you do it? And I said,

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how did I do what? He
said, how did you stay so

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calm? I said, I'm not
so sure I did. And I sat

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down and I started trying to calm
myself down. As I started calming down,

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I had to get up and go
to the bathroom and throw up.

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My stomach was knots. My stomach
was knots outside. And then whenever I

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got inside and I started to calm
down a little bit, you know,

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and everybody all night long kept asking
me what's wrong wrong, what's wrong?

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What's wrong? And I'm like nothing, guys, everything's all right. Just

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you know, I'm not feeling good. I got a stomach bug. I'll

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be fine. Well, probably six
eight months, maybe a year later,

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somewhere around there. Well, it
was August last year, somewhere around there,

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I went to a friend of mine's
up in Kansas, and I'm driving

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down the road because where I live
from Kansas, I'm only fifteen minutes away

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from Kansas thirty at the most,
depending on what side of town I'm leaving

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from, And whenever I go and
I cross that state line, I'm going

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through this area that's nothing but cornfields. There's a TV station out there,

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you know, out in the middle
of nowhere, there's some storage silos where

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the farmers will store their grain and
stuff. And I'm going between these cornfields

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and all of a sudden, this
thing comes out of this cornfield. And

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this is like two o'clock in the
morning, and this thing comes out of

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the cornfield, hits the side of
the road, runs beside me on the

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road as I'm picking up speed,
and he just looked over looked in the

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car or in my Explorer, and
then he just shot off back into the

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cornfield just before we got to them
storage silos. And of course, that

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shook me up. And I got
to where I was going and I told

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my buddy, I said, hey, dude, I said, I think

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I just seen a dog man.
And of course, you know, they

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were laughing. But this thing was
tall enough I drive an older exit floor,

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and the haunch on his shoulders.
If guessing, I would say it

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was about even with the top of
my hood. He never ran directly in

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front of me, so I don't
know for positive, but he was right

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alongside of me there for I'd say
a good quarter mile, you know,

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and I'm picking up speed. I
mean, I was hitting speeds of fifty

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and fifty five mile an hour through
that area, and it stayed right with

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me until it cut off. And
of course, you know, they started

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laughing and you know, more or
less poking fun and stuff like at and

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I calmed myself down a little bit, and I just kind of went along

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with it and stuff like that because
I knew, you know, it wasn't

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gonna be a good deal. So
I get away from there, and I'm

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heading back and stuff like that,
and I get to that same area and

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I'm looking nothing to be found,
and I get back into Oklahoma. Well

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then here, just about three weeks
ago, I'm coming home from work and

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I have a state park that I
have to go through to get home,

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and there's a couple of hills in
there, and down in the very bottom

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of one of these hills, down
in the little valley, there two run

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out in front of me. And
when the two run out in front of

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me in my car, I went
to hit my brakes, but I knew

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better. And this one, it
was just like a last second thing like

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he was challenging me in a way. And that last one looked at me,

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and I mean he stared at me
as I was going by. That

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was the look that said, hey, do I know you? I know

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you, I feel like I know
you. You know that type of look,

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And that was the one that really
got me going and is the one

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that's really set me. I guess
you could say, into the mode of

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trying to get through this, getting
to where I can be back out in

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the woods, that these guys are
not going to beat me, and that's

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all there is to it. And
that, I guess you could say,

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pretty much sums up the encounters for
me, you know, because that was

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it. That's one that got me
where I found you and I started talking

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to you and getting your advice and
everything. Well, that's more than enough.

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Yeah, any one of those experiences
would be too much to deal with

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in most cases, but you've got
strong character, it's going to be a

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lot easier for you to deal with
those experiences than most people. And if

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you're having as much trouble as you
are, just imagine what the average Joe

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would have, How much trouble they
would have dealing with these experiences. Wow,

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I would hate to see what kind
of trouble they would have, vic,

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I really would, because I mean, these things are huge and they're

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ugly. The one I seen in
my head lights ugly, I don't.

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I mean to me, the one
I seen in my headlights is what nightmares

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are made of. It really is. Yeah, I mean I just recently,

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because of talking to you, started
dealing with that one and that that

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thing, I swear he I don't
know another word outside of ugly, because

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I don't think there's any stronger word
that I can use to describe it.

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If they're not going to win any
beauty contests, that's for sure. No,

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huh, not at all. Well, I've got the first question for

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you is from Joe Daniels, and
Joe wants to know, Mike, how

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many humans did they I'm sorry,
the question is, Mike, how human

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did they look, if any?
And were they all similar, like from

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the same pack. Well, the
first one I seen, he reminded me

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of a bodybuilder type. The face
was It's weird. It was like the

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face was a mix he had.
From what I could tell, with the

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whey he was outlined, it looked
like he had a muzzle and he had

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these, you know, very pointed
ears that the ears reminded me of like

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kyo tears, you know, or
wolf ears or whatever. You know.

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They come to a point and you
know, the night was a full moon,

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and the moon was behind him,
so I couldn't see him particularly,

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but I tell you, from what
I could see, his legs were like

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the back leggs of a dog that
he was standing on. I can't remember

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which you call it now, but
his legs were like that, you know,

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they they were turned backwards, and
it was just kind of reminded me

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looking at him like that, I
was looking at a trained show dog walking

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across the stage, is what it
reminded me of. The body itself.

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Very muscular, very muscular, you
know. Like I said, I think

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he could put a bodybuilder to shame. I really do. The main thing

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that made sense to me though,
that I thought of, was his eyes.

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I don't know if it was light
from the street lights that was around

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me, or the lights off the
building, the floodlights. But his lights,

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his eye, I couldn't tell if
they were glowing or if it was

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just you know, from your headlights, you know that type life. So,

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but what I could tell he was, I don't want to say a

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fifty to fifty mix. Looks like
maybe he might have been seventy five percent

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dog and twenty five percent man if
I had to put a number two was

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what he looked like to me,
hence the name dog man. Yeah,

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yeah, that's why. Well the
next question is from do something diff and

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their question is do they ever run
on two legs? This sounded like to

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me that he was on two legs
the whole time. The one that ran

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in front of me coming home,
they were on all fours. The one

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that ran beside me in Kansas,
he was on all fours. It was

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just that one that I seen that
was on two legs. Did the fact

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that it was on two legs increase
the fear level that you felt? Or

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do you think it wouldn't have made
a difference if that one was down in

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all fours, If it was on
all fours, Vic, I probably would

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have been able to handle it a
little bit better, to be honest.

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But when I looked up and that
thing, I'm telling you, Vic,

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every bit of a foot tall.
And when I seen that, oh my

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goodness, that was at It was
the big you know, intimidation factor for

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me because you could tell he was
powerful. I mean just everything about him

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said power. You know, his
intelligence level, You could tell his intelligence

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level just by the way he was
doing. He wouldn't come toward the light.

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He stayed out there at the edge
of the woods where he was at.

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Yeah, like say, this thing, he could have had me,

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He could have had me right that
second, and the would have been absolutely

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nothing. I could have done nothing. Could you realize both of those factors.

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Number One, he could have had
you if he wanted to, and

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if you would have done that,
then, like you said, there's not

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a thing you could have done to
have protected yourself. But yeah, neither

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one of those two things happened.
And that's kind of tied into the seven

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magic words. So I'm glad you're
not going to forget them. Yes,

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definitely, never forget those. I've
got nothing, well, I hope not.

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Yeah, that wouldn't be a good
I mean the heck out of him

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right now. Good man, I
hope you continued to do that. I've

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got another question for you from Elaine. Isabelle and Elaine wants to know did

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you feel the sense of dread on
either encounter? Oh yeah, oh yeah?

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Uh that sense of dread was?
I liken it to you know,

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you're dead, you know what I
mean? You know that nothing you can

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do. Like I said, they're
going to find my body. They're going

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to hunt me down. I was
scared to death. They were going to

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get my scent and follow me home, you know, I mean, because

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I know some animals, once they
get your scent, they remember you,

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well, actually all of them pretty
much. They remember you. They that's

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how they identify you. And that's
what I was afraid of. I mean,

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it was bad enough that I almost
urinated myself right there in the parking

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lot. That's how bad it got. On the second one, I got

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home and I just was able to
more or less deal with it because it

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was on the road he was running
beside me. But that third one,

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he looked at me in the intelligence
level again it was like I know you,

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and that one there I mean when
I got home, I normally don't

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park my car in my garage because
I just walk out my front door and

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get in my car. And I
got home, and I already had the

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garage door up and open, and
I parked in the garage and closed it

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behind me. I did not get
out of my car until that garage door

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was closed, because I wasn't going
to risk nothing, absolutely nothing, because

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where this encounter was at was only
three to five miles from my house,

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not very far at all. Yeah, that is close, way too close

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for comfort. Life is already more
than difficult enough. It's just a shame

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that people have to have experiences like
these that just pile on to the difficulties

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you have to deal with just getting
through life. It just isn't right.

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It really isn't. Oh it's hard, I'll tell you, Oh, of

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course it is. Yeah, definitely. I've got another one for you from

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Daniel Haynes, and Daniel wants to
know, Mike, did the dog men

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have either encounter attempt mind speak beyond
what the eyes conveyed? You know,

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really, Vick, I've wondered about
that. There was a point in time

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with the first one that I think
it was possible because something It's something that

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I don't normally do, you know, I don't normally mentally, I don't

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normally just lay down and give up. But on the first one it was

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like something was, oh god,
I'm trying to think of a good way

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to put it. Something was more
or less telling me it's over. Just

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give up, it's over, Just
give up, you know, And I

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don't normally do that. And I
don't know if that was because of the

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situation and what was happening, or
if that was because of them trying to

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I guess you would say, talk
to me. I don't know. Yeah,

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it's really hard to say. It's
hard to think for these guys,

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hard enough to think for people,
let alone dog men. Exactly. That's

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right. This next question is from
Lily Lewis, and Lily wants to know

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do you think the reason they're choosing
or challenging you is because you're a protector

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of sorts. I've wondered that too. I am very protective of people.

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You know. One of the guys
that I worked with told me, he

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said, man, he said,
you were in the Marine Corps. He

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said, you signed a blank check
with your life and he said, I've

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noticed when I work with you,
he said that you're always the first one

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there. He said, you always
put yourself out front. He said,

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you definitely lead, you don't manage. And he said with that, you

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know, he said, that's why
all the guys look up to me,

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because I lead them. I don't
ask him to do anything I can't I

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can't do, or anything like that. And whenever we were talking the other

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day and I got off the phone
with you, I was setting her and

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I was thinking about stuff like that, and I wondered if it was a

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challenge for that, because what was
going through my mind was in people in

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the casino. I mean, keeping
my life was going through there. Don't

412
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:45,480
get me wrong, but the people
in the casino, they were a concern

413
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,159
to me. You know, I
could have cared less about the building or

414
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,400
anything like that at that time.
It was keeping everybody in that place safe,

415
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:59,119
you know, just being able to
get them out if I had to

416
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,800
get them out, you know,
stuff like that. That's what was going

417
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,519
through my mind. So yeah,
I did wonder that after I talked to

418
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:13,840
you that day. You're a good
man. Not many people would put the

419
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,079
well being of others before their own, the way you do on such a

420
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:22,119
regular basis. With my father,
That's what I learned growing up. My

421
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:29,280
father was the same way. You
know. He put people's safety and everything

422
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:35,159
before his and he done it just
like I do. He taught me well,

423
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,800
I'd say he did. It's safe
to say you got it honestly then

424
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:43,079
and also too, like I said, thanks again so much for your service

425
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,360
to our country. I really appreciate
it. Not a problem. Another one

426
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,159
of the listeners posted a comment on
that, David Miller said, not a

427
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,119
question, but to the leather neck, thank you for your service. Great

428
00:35:54,159 --> 00:36:04,119
granddad was an island hopper. My
grandfather was who he did time on Guadalcanal

429
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,360
and Iwo Jima both. He was
in the Marine Corps. My father was

430
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:14,440
in the Marine Corps. And I
come by that honestly, you know.

431
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:21,519
So. And I've got an uncle
that he had did time and Yosh where

432
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,800
he was a tail gunner and over
there during World War Two. Also,

433
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,599
and I had two cousins that were
in the Marine Corps that were in Vietnam

434
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:35,719
that went through the Ted Defensive.
I say that does come honestly, also,

435
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,639
Yes, it does. Yeah,
definitely. Yeah. My dad fought

436
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:45,719
in World War Two. So yeah, that generation, I mean, you

437
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,159
just can't compare, like they say, the best generation there ever was.

438
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,719
It's hard to compete with that.
Yes, it is. It is.

439
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:58,440
Well. This next question is from
Jerry Keyhill, and Jerry wants to know

440
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,320
did it feel like the dog I
was trying to feed off your fear or

441
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:07,159
did it seem surprised by your bravery? I think it was trying to feed,

442
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:13,679
to be quite honest, because him
standing in the dark, me not

443
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,079
knowing his next move, what he
was doing, where he was going,

444
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,599
and stuff like that. And that
was one of the reasons I kept my

445
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:27,280
back to the building as I was
backing away from him through that parking lot,

446
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
because I wanted to know what he
was going to do next. Even

447
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,559
though I may not have been able
to stop him, I wanted to know,

448
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,800
you know, basically where it was
coming from. And the more I

449
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:45,559
did that, it was like the
more he did little things like I heard

450
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:52,320
little huffs, I heard tree branches
that sounded like they were snapping. I

451
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,079
mean all kinds of stuff, stuff
that somebody might do to scare somebody,

452
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,679
like say on a camping trip.
You know, when you have campfire and

453
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,000
everybody tells ghost stories and stuff like
that, and then you got somebody that

454
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,599
comes up to the tent and jumps
on the tent and hollers or something like

455
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,239
that. You know, that's kind
of what it reminded me of. But

456
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,239
it was on a much much,
much bigger level, you know, more

457
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:24,159
intense. You know, that's that's
uh, yeah, I'm sorry, big,

458
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,519
I'm sorry. This is flooding back. It was a much more intense

459
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:34,039
level than anything like that that I
have ever dealt with. You know,

460
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,760
I've been the guy that scared people, and I've been the guy that got

461
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:42,960
scared, you know, on stuff
like that, and this was it.

462
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,360
It was like a mastermind of terror, you know, a guy that could,

463
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:59,840
uh, a guy that could take
and keep you in fear and make

464
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,679
you wonder, make you look over
your shoulder, your every move, make

465
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,119
you you know, that type of
thing, only on a much higher,

466
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:12,760
higher level. Well, like I
say, I almost urnated myself right out

467
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,880
there in the parking lot. I
mean it, I ain't gonna lie,

468
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,679
it was. It was all I
could do to hold it to get back

469
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,400
in the building. Oh I bet
if you would have done that. I

470
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,440
mean, what a man does in
his own pants is no one's business but

471
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,280
his own. But if you would
have I could have definitely understood it.

472
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,599
And these guys they definitely know how
to push her buttons. They are masterful

473
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,159
at doing that. Yeah. I've
spoken with eyewitnesses on countless occasions about that,

474
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:45,519
how they know just what to do
to really get you mortified within an

475
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:49,199
inch of your life. And earlier
on about twenty minutes ago, when we

476
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,159
asked about you being affected by it
standing up, how it affected you versus

477
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,119
if the dog man would have remained
in all fours. Yeah, they know

478
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,400
that when they stand up onto their
back legs, that that just really pushes

479
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,119
our buttons. There's a shirt that
I created that is basically finged around the

480
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,039
saying that it's all fun and games
until the dog man stands up. And

481
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,079
that's true. That's how it is. Yeah, I'm telling you I can

482
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,840
attest to that with no problem,
no problem at all that you can you

483
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:29,960
lived it. This next question is
from Harvest Mary Moon, and Mary wants

484
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,400
to know what was the color of
the eyes. I think she's asking about

485
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,480
the first dog. Mean you saw
well the first one when I seen his

486
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,639
eyes and like say, It might
have been eye shine, but I'm not

487
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:46,719
sure, but it was the closest
color I can come up with, would

488
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,400
be like maybe a burnt orange,
you know, not quite red, but

489
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:59,639
not all yellow type thing. It
was definitely something that I could tell because

490
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:07,159
whenever he blinked a couple times,
and whenever he blinked, I can tell

491
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:12,119
it because the color went away.
You know. It was like kind of

492
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,639
like an animal that closes his eyes
at night, you know, whenever you

493
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,599
shine the light on him, you
get the eye shine for a second,

494
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:22,840
but then it goes away, you
know, And that's what he done,

495
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:29,320
and it was That's the closest color
I can come up with, is like

496
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:35,679
a burnt orange type color. Sounds
to me like you're describing what could also

497
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:42,000
be seen as being amber. Is
that accurate that that could be? Yeah,

498
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,840
Yeah, that could be. Yeah, sounds like that might be the

499
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,159
case. Also, I've got another
one for you from Darren. Darren wants

500
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,320
to know, could you see the
teeth? I don't know which encounter he's

501
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:58,239
asking about, but that's what he
wants to know. On the last one,

502
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,320
I could because on the last one, when he turned at me,

503
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,599
his mouth was open. I don't
know if they were chasing something that went

504
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:14,599
across the street before I got there
or what. But he turned at me.

505
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,000
And when he turned at me and
looked at me like he knew me

506
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:23,519
and kept watching me, his mouth
was open and his teeth, Yeah,

507
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:29,280
the bottom ones kind of reminded me
almost of a wild pig, you know

508
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:36,960
how their teeth get long, you
know. And I would say probably guessing

509
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,599
because I didn't stop to look.
I just hit the gas after he got

510
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:45,679
across the road, I would say, just guessing. For the brief second

511
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:52,440
or split second that I had to
look at him, it was probably three

512
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,119
inches long, maybe maybe longer.
I'm not real positive about it because I

513
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,880
didn't get a good look, but
yeah, I did see him on that

514
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,320
last one. You didn't get a
good look, but you got a good

515
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,320
enough luck, unfortunately. Yeah,
very good enough that you did. This

516
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,280
next one is from Jason Gray,
and Jason wants to know did it grin

517
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:23,119
like many do. No, it
didn't. Whenever it got across the road

518
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,880
and it was looking at me,
Like I say, I don't know if

519
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,280
they were hunting or what was going
on, but whenever I seen the teeth

520
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,880
and stuff like that, I looked
because I'd remembered a podcast that i'd listened

521
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,920
to of yours that said that it
was they looked like they were grinning at

522
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:49,320
them, and I didn't see that. It looked like to me that maybe

523
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,320
he might have just been, you
know, panting, just to be panting

524
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,760
or whatever. I don't know,
but I did not see a grin on

525
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,880
this one he and I think maybe
that's one of the things that could have

526
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:08,480
freaked me out because I'd seen dogs
grin before, you know, and it

527
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,920
just it doesn't really bother me to
see him grin. But if they're not

528
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:21,679
grinning, you know, then I
get worried sometimes because you don't know what

529
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:27,000
they're thinking and what they're going to
do. So it just but no,

530
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:31,079
I did not see a grin on
it last week. You knew about dog

531
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:36,239
men having that tendency, not all
the time, but it's not all too

532
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,960
uncommon for them to grin at an
eye witness. You knew that, didn't

533
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,320
you. No, I did not. I heard that one podcast where they

534
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:49,199
people said that they've seen it and
it looked like grin, But I didn't

535
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:53,400
know that was a normal thing.
No, Yeah, it's fairly common unfortunately.

536
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,559
Like I said, they really do
not to push our buttons. They

537
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:04,880
really do. Oh yeah, yeah
certifiable. This next one is from Scott

538
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,840
Baker. Scott wants to know did
the dog men sneer a wink or show

539
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:15,079
us facial features? The last one
did, yes, and the second one

540
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:19,639
I could see some of them.
The last one was in my headlights.

541
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,960
I seen the facial features on that
one, like say, for a very

542
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:30,679
brief moment, and from what I
could gather, it was a lot like

543
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:37,559
the second one. You know,
the muzzle ears. But I did notice

544
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:43,400
something whenever I seen it in my
headlights. Is with the facial features on

545
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:49,079
that one, the muzzle did not
look as long as the first ones did.

546
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,639
Whenever it turned and got highlighted,
you know, it didn't. The

547
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,679
muzzle on the first one looked longer
than the muzzle on this one. You

548
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,000
know. So I don't know,
like somebody said or earlier tonight, you

549
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:06,280
know, do I think they're part
of the same pack or whatever. I

550
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,920
don't know. It's possible, I
guess, because you know, this last

551
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,159
one's muzzle was not that long.
It looked like it was maybe i'd give

552
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:23,599
it two inches maybe shorter or three
inches shorter somewhere around there, and it

553
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:30,559
was very It kind of reminded me
of, Gosh, I don't have any

554
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:40,039
I used to have an Italian Maston
and the shorter bulldogish type muzzle, you

555
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:45,960
know, is kind of what it
reminded me of was hers because it was

556
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:52,119
just as matter of fact, it
didn't have the colors that she had,

557
00:46:53,000 --> 00:47:01,920
but the color of it was,
oh, I guess you call it brindle

558
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,840
where they got the black and the
gray and brown's and all that in it.

559
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:12,800
That's what it reminded me of,
was a brindle. And the shoulders

560
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:20,480
back behind the neck were a very
muscular looking shoulder when they were on.

561
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:24,440
When it was on all fours,
because it stayed on all fours, it

562
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:31,559
kind of very I could tell they
were muscular. And I had I don't

563
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:36,199
know if it was a hawk's or
the mains or what, but the hawks

564
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,880
at the back of its neck was
either standing up or it had some kind

565
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:47,039
of maine, you know. I
could tell that. And it just that's

566
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:50,559
one that really freaked me out to, like I say, because that one

567
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,039
looked at me like it seriously knew
me. Like it, you know,

568
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,519
I kind of think of it like
in a way we're going to have fun

569
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:04,079
tonight, you know type thing,
we're going to terrorize you. And when

570
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:07,000
I got home, like say,
I got in my garage, I shut

571
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,679
my door and I did not get
out of my car until that door was

572
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,320
down. And then I came in
the house and I double checked every dead

573
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,760
boat, every lock, everything,
and I know that that probably ain't going

574
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,000
to help me with as big as
these things are and as powerful as they

575
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:28,239
look. But I was going to
do everything I could to protect myself.

576
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,400
And I even had my gun.
Matter of fact, on the first one

577
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:38,239
after it happened, I was going
to the employee parking lot before I went

578
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,239
to the casino. That's what I
thought of, because you know where I

579
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,239
live in Oklahoma, We're an open
kerry state, and I was going to

580
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,280
go to my car and get my
gun, even though I can't carry it

581
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,719
in the casino, I was going
to go get it. And that was

582
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,280
going to be, I guess,
you'd say, my last stand if it

583
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,920
had to be, you know,
but I thought better of it and thought,

584
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,559
well, I better get in just
in case. I'm glad you didn't

585
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:10,159
go grab it. Guns are nice
and understandably so they'll give an eyewitness a

586
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:15,199
certain amount of confidence, but in
a lot of cases having a gun,

587
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:21,239
that's just when the problems start when
it comes to these guys. This next

588
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,239
question is from casey' rich thirteen,
and Casey wants to know, how would

589
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,280
you read its intelligence? Again,
I don't know which dog mean he's asking

590
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,880
about, but that's what he wants
to know. Honestly, I would say

591
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:45,960
genius level and beyond. With this
this thing, it's like it knew where

592
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:52,559
the light ended and I couldn't see
it. It's like it knew what I

593
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:58,360
was trying to do, what I
was, why I was staying in the

594
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,119
light, like maybe drawed out in
the light or whatever. You know,

595
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:07,599
it knew all this stuff. It's
like anything I did, it always had

596
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:12,920
a countermeasure. Anything I would say
out loud, because there was a few

597
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,360
expletives that I had when I was
out in the parking lot, but you

598
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,119
know, I can't say on the
show, but there was a few of

599
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:27,480
them. But it was like it
knew that I was trying to do something,

600
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,280
you know, besides just getting back
into the casino. Whenever I started

601
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,519
heading to the south parking lot.
One of the things that changed my mind.

602
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:44,000
Whenever I was going after my gun
was I started hearing it further down.

603
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,119
You know, it stayed on the
same side of the road, but

604
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:52,719
I started hearing it further down,
like it was the way I seen it

605
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,400
as it was going to try to
cut me off, or it was going

606
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,559
to cut me off before I ever
got to my car, like it knew

607
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:04,679
what I was going to do.
That's so I would say genius level and

608
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,320
beyond, to be quite honest,
that fits. Yeah, they do so

609
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:15,280
many things that clearly point out the
fact that their intelligence is off the charts

610
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,360
human level, if not superseding are
intelligence levels. In a lot of ways,

611
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,519
it's hard to understand, but that
definitely does seem to be the case.

612
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,559
This next one is from Nico Diaz, and Nico wants to know,

613
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,280
do you think they feed from our
fear? Definitely, definitely, I have

614
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,639
no doubt. Because the whole time
that I was out there, I mean

615
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,000
I was, I don't know how
else to say it. VIC, I

616
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:52,840
was shaking in my boots. I
was doing everything I could to keep my

617
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:58,400
bladder from emptying. I was doing
all this stuff, and there was one

618
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,440
point in time I remember this,
I remember this now, there was one

619
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,480
point in time when that was happening
and I was straining to hold myself and

620
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:14,239
stuff like that. It was almost
like a chuckle, almost like a like

621
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:20,480
somebody a sadistic chuckle, you know. So yeah, I think they do

622
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:27,400
feed off here, I really do. That makes two of us. Wouldn't

623
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,000
be surprised if they do. The
next one is from Pittbull or Tacops and

624
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:38,519
their question is where do you think
they come from? I wish I had

625
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:45,039
a good answer, like I say, the area we have across the streets,

626
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:52,440
woods and pastor and deer and pigs
and everything else. And honestly,

627
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,519
what I seen was physical, so
that's what I have to go with.

628
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,639
You know. I didn't so much
see it as spiritual as I seen a

629
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:12,239
physical body, a very solid thing
right in front of me basically, and

630
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:15,880
I knew that it had I guess
you would say, the solid mass or

631
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:22,079
whatever to do me in if it
wanted to. And that's all I can

632
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:30,199
say is I believe that maybe they
come from a long time ago type thing.

633
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,280
You know, they're at the end. And I was raised in church

634
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,679
and everything like that as a kid
growing up, but I believe that maybe

635
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,119
after the flood in the Bible that
they were part of, you know,

636
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,440
the animals or something like that.
And if that's not the case, the

637
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,440
closest thing I can think of is
a genetic experiment because it's one of those

638
00:53:52,480 --> 00:54:00,320
two things. I don't think it
can be anything else. It's positive lead

639
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,719
it on a regular basis that all
these guys came from government test to programs.

640
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,280
And yeah, some of them present
day just might have come from a

641
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,719
test too, but that wouldn't explain
the way all the encounters that have happened

642
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,920
long before we had the technology to
do that. So yeah, it's really

643
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,719
hard to say for sure whether they
do come from it's pretty much anyone's guess.

644
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:27,800
George Scott wants to know how much
bigger than Andrea the Giant the wrestler

645
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:32,559
were the dog men. Oh,
I'd say he had a good butt and

646
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:39,280
a half on him, height,
stomach wise and everything like Andre was.

647
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:45,760
I would say, not near as
big in the abdomenary, you know,

648
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,639
stuff like that in the stomach area, hand wise. You know, they

649
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,000
always talked about when Andrea Giant drank
a beer, a beer can look like

650
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,519
a toy in his hands. Well, this thing could make Andrea's hands I

651
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:08,119
believe looked like at in his hands, but high wise good butt and a

652
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:13,760
half arms. I would say,
like say he put a bodybuilder. Shame

653
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:19,639
that The bodybuilder I can think of
would have been at that time that I

654
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,000
was thinking of was Ronnie Cole.
They talked about him. I believe Ronnie

655
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,639
Cole, he would be a midget
compared to this guy. This guy was

656
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:37,400
freaking huge. Yeah, I mean
it has scared though. I almost went

657
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:43,320
down. I almost went down.
My knees got weak, they started to

658
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:51,039
buckle everything. I mean, this
guy was freaking huge. Yeah, he

659
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,880
was a big one, but as
far as dog men go, he wasn't

660
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,039
all that big. I know it's
not a comforting thought, but yeah,

661
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:00,559
these guys, it can be twelve
feet tall a big meal. They can

662
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,960
come in at about twelve feet in
the height. Now a dog me in

663
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,840
that big is going to have hands
that could cover a trash can lid.

664
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,320
That's how big their hens can be. Just imagine that. No, God,

665
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,599
I don't want to don't blame you. Yes, it's not going to

666
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:22,159
give you the warm and fuzzies.
No, by a long shot. Jessica

667
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,639
Wells has the next question up,
and she's I guess it's not a question.

668
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,559
Her comment says, VIC, not
a question, but my husband drives

669
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:36,199
a ninety six Explore and I just
measured it's four feet from the ground to

670
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,800
the bottom of the windshield. So
just imagine how taught would be standing.

671
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,760
Oh good grief, I'd have probably
lost it if it would have stood up,

672
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:52,920
because that would have been huge.
I mean I did. I'm just

673
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:57,280
glad I come home in the middle
of the night because I'm the only one

674
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,559
on the road usually because this area
is not real heavy heavily populated, and

675
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:05,400
I'm the only one on the road
at that time of night when I'm coming

676
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,599
home. And whenever I seen him, and I looked at him, just

677
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,920
for the short time that I did
on the way by, I had to

678
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,159
bring myself from the wrong side of
the road back over into my lane of

679
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:21,880
traffic. I mean, that's how
much he had my attention, had your

680
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,239
full attention. Understandably so too.
Lily Lewis is the next one. She

681
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,760
wants to know. Do you feel
like they chose you to share the knowledge

682
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:39,559
they exist? Like because you doubt
their existence in a way possible because you

683
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:45,360
know in one way Bigfoot, you
know, I can or Sasquatch, whatever

684
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:51,039
you want to call him, I
can understand because you know that what was

685
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,440
it called that film where they were
all, you know, they had a

686
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,400
film of it. I could kind
of see that because to me, that's

687
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:06,800
kind of like an oversized epe type
thing, you know. But the dog

688
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:13,280
man, I mean, I would
had to liken that to Oh, I

689
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,199
guess you'd say American war whooping in
London. I think that would be a

690
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:21,039
good one right there, to describe, you know, what I've seen in

691
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,760
my headlights was like an American wear
whoop in London. That would be a

692
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:34,639
good one. And you know,
I honestly think that they may have I

693
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:39,320
don't know. I wish I could
answer for him because then I would maybe

694
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:46,039
be through all this by now.
But yeah, it's very possible, very

695
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:53,320
very possible. Yes it is.
This next question is from Jerry Kehill,

696
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:58,199
and Jerry wants to know do you
think they're much more Do you think they're

697
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:02,039
more prone? Do you think you're
more prone to see them since you've seen

698
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:08,320
them so much? Oh? Yeah, yeah, And I don't know why.

699
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:13,880
I don't know what the deal is, but it took a while for

700
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:20,400
my second one after the first one, you know, it was the next

701
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,400
year before I seen it. But
you know, this other one, it

702
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,280
seems like it's a closer timeframe on
this last one, you know. I

703
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,000
mean it was just like, say, about three weeks ago now, because

704
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,440
it was about two weeks whenever I
talk to you that had been. And

705
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:46,239
so yeah, I think maybe I
am now And I think like a I

706
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,440
don't know how to say it,
like maybe a pack mentality, you know,

707
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:55,679
like they all communicate, you know, type of thing if you watch

708
00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:59,719
it, like say a wolf pack
or something like that. They all have

709
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:05,320
a way to communicate. And I'm
thinking maybe they do too, you know,

710
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,840
because otherwise how else they have survived. Yeah, they just might be

711
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,440
able to do that. It's hard
to see what the limits of their abilities

712
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,840
are, so you never know.
But like I told you in the first

713
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,320
conversation, please don't lose sight of
the fact that after having all these experiences

714
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,039
with them, you have yet to
have a single scratch put on you by

715
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:28,039
them. That's not to say they're
safe as a bunny rabbit to be around,

716
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:32,119
but that is the fact that hope
you never lose sight of. Oh

717
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:39,519
believe me. I've been doing my
best. I've been doing my best not

718
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:45,360
to lose sight of that. I
really have, you know it. Just

719
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,480
now, when I come through at
State Park coming home, I am definitely

720
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:58,639
scanning that area when I make that
turn to start to come through that park,

721
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,920
I'm scanning from that point went on
until I get through it, you

722
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:08,480
know. And I live by a
huge lake here in Oklahoma, and right

723
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:13,199
behind me, you know, there's
a farmer. He's got cattle that's not

724
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,599
even fifty yards off my back door, you know, with his fence line,

725
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:22,199
and we got the lake, I
got woods, I mean, I

726
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,199
got everything around me that the lake
is only about three hundred yards for me

727
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:32,320
where I'm at, And so I
just I have to keep that in mind,

728
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:38,159
you know, because if I don't, I may lose it, you

729
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:44,280
know, going out after dark.
It's like earlier I was talking to you,

730
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,360
and I went out and it started
to get dark, and I just

731
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,480
turned around and come right back in
the house. Just now. I mean

732
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:54,480
I shut my door, I locked
it and pulled my curtain shut and everything

733
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,840
else I didn't, you know,
uh uh. I don't want to see

734
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,079
them things right now. I'm dealing
with them. In baby steps. If

735
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:07,719
something comes out, I don't want
to see it right now. Just I

736
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:12,519
guess, let it roam free or
whatever you want to say. Well,

737
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,119
it goes with that saying, I
hope you never do have another encounter,

738
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,320
but please remember, Oh I'm sorry, please continue. Oh that's all right,

739
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,199
I just say, and I hope
I don't either. Vic, I

740
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:27,480
can understand why if you do have
another encounter, as you know, please

741
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,320
let me know if you need any
help, because I'm not going to be

742
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,280
going anywhere. I'll be here for
you. Oh, thank you very much.

743
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,480
Oh you're welcome. Mars Staw is
the next one. Mar wants to

744
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:42,960
know. Do you feel they were
alone? I think, Mars asking about

745
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,679
the last encounter. Uh, the
last one. No, there was two

746
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,960
of them ran out in front of
me. It's like the first one didn't

747
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,000
even pay me any mind. It
just was across the road and gone.

748
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:59,880
It was that second one that looked
at me, that looked at me like

749
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,280
they knew me, you know,
like they'd known me for a while.

750
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,079
I guess you say or whatever,
But it was that second one, you

751
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,159
know, took the time to stare
me down whenever I went by, look

752
01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:14,000
at me whenever it was running across
the road in my headlights and on.

753
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:17,960
It was that second one that went
across the road, you know, really

754
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,159
got me. But see those two
together after that. No, I do

755
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:28,360
not think they travel alone. I
believe even that first one, even though

756
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,719
it was acting the way it was, I believe that there was something there

757
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:37,800
to back them up if need be. That might be the case, But

758
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:42,559
I think in almost every instance these
guys do travel alone. And I'll tell

759
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,639
you why. If you're talking about
wolves, they have to operate in numbers

760
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,480
out of necessity to take any prey
down that they predate on. It takes

761
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:53,920
either the speed of the pack or
the strength of the pack to do it.

762
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,960
But with dog men, they've got
the speed in the strength to dispatch

763
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,360
anything that they're going to try and
take down. So that right there,

764
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,199
that wipes off in the requirement,
wipes out in the requirement of them to

765
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,719
operate and exist in numbers. Number
two. When you think about the daily

766
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,480
caloric requirements of just that one guy
that you saw when you had your first

767
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:21,480
encounter, it's going to have a
ridiculously huge daily caloric requirement. Well,

768
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:27,199
if it hung out in numbers with
other dog men, then that daily requirement

769
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,920
is just going to skyrocket from there. Well, an area is only going

770
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,840
to be able to support so many
game species. And with that in mind,

771
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:41,960
if you had a number of dog
men spending time in a particular area

772
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,760
for any amount of time, they're
going to deplete the resources in that area

773
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,599
and no time whatsoever. So I
mean, it would be a benefit for

774
01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:54,599
them to operate alone in almost every
instance. Not to say they don't come

775
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:58,320
together, because they obviously do from
time to time, but it wouldn't make

776
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,760
sense for them to make a habit
out of coming together in numbers. That's

777
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:06,320
just basically what I'm getting at there. Okay, So the next question is

778
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:12,440
from Aleene Isabelle, and her question
is did you notice any long claws on

779
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:17,079
those big hands you saw? I
don't know if they were claws or fingers,

780
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:21,280
Bick because, like I say,
he was outlined more by the I

781
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,199
guess you say, the moonlight behind
him or whatever. I couldn't tell.

782
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,840
In all honesty, I really wasn't
paying a whole lot of attention if they

783
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:38,440
were claws or fingers either. I
just know they were huge hands. I

784
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:45,559
know that whenever I got to the
to the light that I could feel comfortable

785
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:51,920
in. I guess you'd say even
though I wasn't comfortable, it just I

786
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:58,199
lost sight of him. I couldn't, you know, tell anything other than

787
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,199
what was outlined in the dark by
him and the light that was behind him.

788
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:08,239
But I don't know if there were
claws there that I could see,

789
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:15,440
because I did notice that the fingers
came to a point. I wouldn't know

790
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,800
how long they were because, like
say that he was doing his best to

791
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:26,000
stay in the dark, but yet
at the same time let me know he's

792
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:30,239
there. And I took it kind
of like a you know, a guy

793
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,000
that tries to be a bully.
You know, Hey, I'm large and

794
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:38,599
in charge type thing, you know. And he played the role really well,

795
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,840
believe me, played it real well. Oh I'm sure he did.

796
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,039
Yeah, they've got that down pat. This next one is from Jerry kee

797
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:50,159
Hill and it's a really good question. It's going to be the last question

798
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:55,320
I'm going to ask you from the
listeners for the night, and his question

799
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:59,719
is has anyone gone missing around the
casino? I know the casinos around here,

800
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,599
folks are always going outside to do
whatever. Well, there is a

801
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:13,280
what we call a homeless camp that's
down the road about oh maybe a quarter

802
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:19,960
mile from the casino. We call
it tent City. Within the last few

803
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,000
years, i'd say three or four
years, they have moved in. The

804
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:28,599
people who live there have moved into
an old building that used to be a

805
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:33,400
meat processing plant and no one could
ever understand why. And a guy that

806
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:38,239
owns it doesn't mind if they go
in there as long as they don't tear

807
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:43,960
it up. But anyways, they
have moved in there because within the last

808
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:49,079
few years they've found several people that
are deceased. Now, whether that's from

809
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:55,840
drug overdose or whatever, I don't
know, but I know they have found

810
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,280
like maybe three or four of them
here in the last few years. And

811
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,280
usually when they find him, because
it's not too far from the water,

812
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:12,800
they find him in the water.
They found one they said he looked like

813
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,119
he might have been someone might have
tried to bury him in a shallow grape

814
01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:20,640
type thing. One guy he was
covered up by leaves, you know,

815
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,399
just different stuff like that. So
I can't say if it was them,

816
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,479
but yeah, we have had people
found deceased within a quarter to a half

817
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:36,479
mile of us. Yes, it
sure does make you wonder it does.

818
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:43,399
Yes, unfortunately, so it does
well. Mike. I can't thank you

819
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,199
enough for coming on and sharing the
details of those experiences with us. I

820
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,720
really do appreciate it, and like
I told you before several times, if

821
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you ever do need any help,
please do be sure to let me know

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because I'll be there for you.
I will, VIC, I will,

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and I thank you very much.
Oh, you're welcome. Glad to do

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that. Well. Yeah, thanks
again so much for your time, and

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have a great night. I will
thank you for your time and everybody else's

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I appreciate it. Oh, you
know, you're welcome. Well, everyone,

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thank you so much for listening to
tonight's show. Thanks for listening to

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the show in general. And if
you've had a dog mean encounter of your

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own that you'd like to speak with
me about, whether in private just between

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the two of us, or if
you'd like to come on the show like

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Mike did and share it for the
listeners, all you have to do is

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just go to dogmanencounters dot com and
submit a report. If you do that,

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then I'd be more than happy to
contact you and set up a conversation

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with you. But having said that, thanks again, all of you so

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much for listening and have a great
weekend. MS English