And at Acas. Hey, everyone, thanks so much for listening to tonight's
live stream episode of the show. Instead of doing things the way I normally
do them for a show, I want to put something out there for you.
There are a lot of things that we take for granted in life,
and one of those things is our ability to just go out after dark and
do whatever we want to do or need to do without any hang ups or
problems. But unfortunately, as you're going to hear when you listen to tonight's
guest talk about his dog mean encounters. When you think about it, we're
really literally only one experience with a dog man a way in a lot of
cases from that just falling down around our ears. There's a real delicate balance
when it comes to that. So that's why I'm so appreciative of all the
support that so many of you extend to these guests who come on the show.
Like I've said before, I can't thank you enough for all of your
help. Your support means so much more than you're ever going to realize.
And like I said, I really can't thank you enough. But let's not
waste even more of time. Now, let's bring tonight's guest on so that
you know, tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous. But with that in mind,
I'm just going to refer to him as Mike. Mike, thanks so
much for coming on. Thank you, Vick. You're very welcome. Well,
it's great having you here. Enough for the reasons that you're here,
but it's great to have you here. Nonetheless, Mike, please give us
a brief file on yourself. Well, Vick, I was born in the
sixties out in California. When I was born, my dad was in the
Marine Corps. We moved from there to Oklahoma, where I'm at now.
I was raised out in the woods, camping, fishing, hunting, you
know, doing typical boy stuff. Wound up a lot with stitches and broken
bones because I was a bit of a wild child, and to me,
the woods and everything like that was the second nature. I could be out
early in the morning at four o'clock waiting on the woods to settle down for
deer hunting. Or I could be on a pond bank or the river bank
all night long, just sitting there just fishing by myself, no one around,
just having a blast. You know. I went into Marine Corps myself
in the eighties, got out of the Marine Corps, started law enforcement,
did that for a while. Yeah, I didn't really get tired of that,
but there was an incident that happened that mentally I could not get past.
So I got out of law enforcement, and I got into corrections,
did the corrections for a few years, and then I got the job where
I'm at now, where I've been for eighteen years as a security supervisor.
And that would pretty much, I guess sum it up. You've had a
full life. That's a safe bet to say You've done a lot, and
all the things that you used to love doing outside, especially in the outdoors
after dark, that you can't do any longer anymore because of the dog meaning
encounters. That's one of the reasons why it's so nauseating that you have experienced
them. It really is a shame you can't go out and do all these
things. You're getting better though, from what I understand, so hopefully it's
just a short matter of time before you're actually ready to start doing those things
again. But of course, baby steps, time will tell yes. And
those seven magic words of yours that you told me to remember have been helping
me tremendously like I said, getting out, and I don't get into the
dark or stay in the light, but I'm edging closer to it, you
know, listening and like I said, being I'm very hyper aware of my
surroundings at night. It doesn't matter if I'm going to my car after work
or if I'm setting out of my front porch just watching you know, people
or whatever the neighborhood. You know, I'm still very very hyper aware.
But it's starting to get better with a little baby steps. Well I'm glad
there's improvement. Yeah, bit by bit, hopefully you're going to get where
you need to be. It's just going to take time. That's what I
want. VIC is, like I told you, I'm tired of, you
know, I guess you say, basically living in fear. I don't want
do it. It really is a prison without any walls. Before you had
your first dog meaning encounter, you had an idea about them. That's quite
a bit different than it is now. How so, well, Bick,
to be honest, I've heard about him. I'd listened to podcasts, I
watched YouTube, and I listen to things on YouTube about it and everything,
and I always, you know, thought, well, maybe it's possible,
But I don't know, because there's stuff they find out there every day.
But I kind of put it in the realm of it's probably not really out
there. Maybe I'm just making something out of it that it's not, you
know, But I'll tell you that night, when it happened, what I
put on basically the back burner, it became very real reality, very real.
Yeah, when you have an experience like that, it does become all
too real quick, it does. You mentioned the casino where you've worked for
the past eighteen years. How do you work there for so long? How
do your co workers see you character wise? Well, they all see me
with no problem. I am trustworthy enough of my supervisor whenever, or my
boss, my manager when she hires new people. I'm the one that trains.
I'm the one that takes them through everything. You know. And she
will tell them you do not get off his hip pocket. He will not
steer you wrong. She will tell them too that I am the type of
guy that no matter who it is or what it is, I will deal
with it straight up and and just she lasts, and she'll say he'll even
take his own mom and put her out of the casino. Where he has
to. You know, it's but that's how That's how I am there.
That's how I like to do my job. You know. I like to
be the best that I can be. I do my best to be the
most honest, and of course because of my background, I work very easily
with lawfort and stuff like ED and those guys over the years have gotten to
where when they come in the door if they need something, I'm the first
one they come to. You know, they'll look for me and they'll talk
to me and find out what's going on and stuff like ED because they know
my track record. You know, they know where I've been, they know
what I've done, and they know I'm not going to give them the run
around or anything like that. You sound like a great boss to have if
I was to try to be well, it sounds like it sounds like you
are. I'm impressed. I really am. You had your first dog mean
an encounter in twenty twenty one, but I've had more since then. Do
you think your encounters just might be connected in some way? I think they
might because Vick after that first one, the other ones after that, it's
like they knew me. And maybe it's hard to explain, but they'd look
at me like, well, I think I know you, I think I
know you, or they'll look at you like I know you, I know
you. You know, especially on that last one, the last one here
a few weeks ago. I mean, that was the one that really set
me going, because I believe that's the one that really drove it home that
maybe it's the same one, you know, because my first encounter, it
stayed in the dark, but I knew what it was because it was outlined,
and when I was in the light, I stayed in the light.
I didn't you know, wasn't able to see. I guess you say,
threw the light into the dark area, but you know, it just it's
like at last one looked at me, and it was just like if you
know somebody on the street look at them and give them that look like dude,
I know you, and you know they recognize that look and they go
from there. You know. That's that's what it. That's why I think
they're connected. I apologize for this. I can't remember if when we had
that last conversation, if I brought this to attention or not. When we're
talking about that look that it gave you, but you're far from the only
eyewitnesses reported seeing that kind of a look. Oh there you are, recognize
you the recognition? Did I mention that team? I do not remember.
I can't recall either. Again, I apologize. I speak with so many
eyewitnesses, so hard to keep things like that straight. But I just want
to just wanted to make sure you understood that that I brought that to your
attention. But having said that, let's dive into it now. Mike,
please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us every last detail that
comes to mind. Okay, it was about in May, first part of
June and twenty twenty one our casino. It hadn't been long. We just
acquired a building that was across the street from us, and we had to
go out and walk around this building at least three or four times a night
to make sure that it was secure. Well, there's about a ten to
twelve foot fence on this building, and it's got razor wire or barb wire
at the top of it to keep people out. And I'm walking around this
building. It's a nice night, but it's a windy night. I appreciated
the breeze, and I remember that the fence was shaking, and I just
attributed it to the wind. I thought that's what it was. Well,
as I'm walking around the building along this fence and I get down to the
far end of it, there's an electrical right of way that goes through there,
and I come around the corner and I always look down that electrical right
away. I think, you know, it's pretty neat. It looks like
a highway through the road. If it wasn't for the the electric lines there,
that maybe a person could just drive down it. You know, it
was a road. I used to think things like that, and I just
kept walking and I got to the front of the building. And as I
was getting towards the front of the building, in the corner there, I
remember a smell. And the smell I just attributed to a mushroom farm that
we have here, because when they're turning their composts and stuff like that,
because those guys work real late, that smell gets pretty bad, and that
wind blowing out of the right direction just brings it right to you, even
though it's miles away. Well, I go around the corner and as I'm
going around the corner, I heard a growl and I thought, oh no,
because you know, we got coyotes out there, We've got deer,
we got wild pigs. I mean, we got all kinds of stuff up
there. And I hear this growl. And when I heard the growl,
every hair on the back, my neck stood up, every my body was
standing up. I immediately got weak because I thought, you know, in
the knees, because I thought, these coyotes are coming across the street,
is what I thought, you know, and that's something that had never happened.
And so I was thinking of ways to defend myself if I had to,
but at the same time trying not to trigger a predator pray response out
of them. So I kept walking and as I'm walking along, I hear
footsteps sound just like people you know, me or you walking is what sounded
like to me. And I get to a point I finally look over there
to see what it is, and vic this thing. It was a minimum
eight foot minimum. I had never seen anything like this. Those woods that
it was in. It was like staying towards the edge of the woods and
I'm right here at the very edge of the light that the lights on this
building are providing, and I'm like, oh, no, oh, no,
what And all of a sudden, I just it's like I told myself,
I'm a dead man. I'm a dead man, because I had been
hearing about it on YouTube, listening to your podcasts and stuff like that,
and I thought, oh, here we go, here we go, they're
going to find my body. They're gonna you know, I mean, all
these things are running through my mind, racing back and everything like that.
I wanted to run, but something and I'm sure it was my training from
military and everything, because I was in the infantry and I could not bring
myself to run, but I did pick up my walk pace and I kept
walking, and it was like this thing kept following me down the road.
He wouldn't come into the light for some reason. I don't know why.
I guess maybe that's why I feel so safe in the light, is because
for some reason he wouldn't. And I'm sitting there and I'm going along and
this thing as I'm getting towards the end of the building, he just he
growled again. It was a second growl, and I'm thinking, oh God,
he's coming across. He's coming across, and I know that these guys
up in surveillance you know, we have cameras there and stuff like that,
and they watch us and whenever we go out there because of you know,
people, So they're more afraid of people, I think than anything else because
of the way people are and they're watching us and stuff like that. And
I get out there, I'm walking along. I get to that corner and
I get to the street I had to cross to get to our parking lot.
And I go across the parking lot and I walk up there and it
did it again. It growled again, and I could hear it walking again.
I thought, oh man, this is it. He's going to get
me in the parking lot. At least it's going to be on video.
You know, they can't deny whatever it was, you know, stuff like
that. And I started backing up. I turned toward it, and I
thought, if it's going to come, at least I'm seeing it coming.
And I started slowly backing up toward the casino. With my back to the
casino. I couldn't take my eyes off of it, and it just stayed
in that light. It never would come across the street. But I always
thought, if I had my back to it, it's gonna come. So
I couldn't turn my back. I just couldn't do it. And so I
kept watching it and watching it, and I remember, you know, as
I'm backing up and I'm looking at direction, and I know what it is.
I didn't have to see it because I'd already seen it. And I
remember thinking, this thing's got hands big enough it could crush my head,
you know. And it's like I told you whenever I talked to you,
I went to school with a kid was seven to two that could palm a
basketball. And this thing had hands bigger than his. He could he could
probably throw the basketball like a baseball, you know. I mean, I
know he get from the size of him huge, I mean, he would
put any bodybuilder. I knew the shame and his arms, he probably wouldn't
even have to get within four foot of me to reach out and grab me.
And so I keep backing up and backing up, and the whole time
too, while I'm doing this, and all this is going through my mind,
I'm thinking that this thing decides to come across the road and follow me
into the casino. How am I going to protect these people? This thing's
going to be able to come in the door and do whatever it wants,
and there's nothing I can do to stop it. You know, it would
be a lot of issue, a lot of trouble. And after that night,
on that night, their guy up in surveillance, he comes down and
he asked me, He says, did you see that? Did you see
that? And I said, yeah, I did. I said, I'm
not going to lie about it. I seen it. He said, oh
my god, He said, how did you do it? And I said,
how did I do what? He said, how did you stay so
calm? I said, I'm not so sure I did. And I sat
down and I started trying to calm myself down. As I started calming down,
I had to get up and go to the bathroom and throw up.
My stomach was knots. My stomach was knots outside. And then whenever I
got inside and I started to calm down a little bit, you know,
and everybody all night long kept asking me what's wrong wrong, what's wrong?
What's wrong? And I'm like nothing, guys, everything's all right. Just
you know, I'm not feeling good. I got a stomach bug. I'll
be fine. Well, probably six eight months, maybe a year later,
somewhere around there. Well, it was August last year, somewhere around there,
I went to a friend of mine's up in Kansas, and I'm driving
down the road because where I live from Kansas, I'm only fifteen minutes away
from Kansas thirty at the most, depending on what side of town I'm leaving
from, And whenever I go and I cross that state line, I'm going
through this area that's nothing but cornfields. There's a TV station out there,
you know, out in the middle of nowhere, there's some storage silos where
the farmers will store their grain and stuff. And I'm going between these cornfields
and all of a sudden, this thing comes out of this cornfield. And
this is like two o'clock in the morning, and this thing comes out of
the cornfield, hits the side of the road, runs beside me on the
road as I'm picking up speed, and he just looked over looked in the
car or in my Explorer, and then he just shot off back into the
cornfield just before we got to them storage silos. And of course, that
shook me up. And I got to where I was going and I told
my buddy, I said, hey, dude, I said, I think
I just seen a dog man. And of course, you know, they
were laughing. But this thing was tall enough I drive an older exit floor,
and the haunch on his shoulders. If guessing, I would say it
was about even with the top of my hood. He never ran directly in
front of me, so I don't know for positive, but he was right
alongside of me there for I'd say a good quarter mile, you know,
and I'm picking up speed. I mean, I was hitting speeds of fifty
and fifty five mile an hour through that area, and it stayed right with
me until it cut off. And of course, you know, they started
laughing and you know, more or less poking fun and stuff like at and
I calmed myself down a little bit, and I just kind of went along
with it and stuff like that because I knew, you know, it wasn't
gonna be a good deal. So I get away from there, and I'm
heading back and stuff like that, and I get to that same area and
I'm looking nothing to be found, and I get back into Oklahoma. Well
then here, just about three weeks ago, I'm coming home from work and
I have a state park that I have to go through to get home,
and there's a couple of hills in there, and down in the very bottom
of one of these hills, down in the little valley, there two run
out in front of me. And when the two run out in front of
me in my car, I went to hit my brakes, but I knew
better. And this one, it was just like a last second thing like
he was challenging me in a way. And that last one looked at me,
and I mean he stared at me as I was going by. That
was the look that said, hey, do I know you? I know
you, I feel like I know you. You know that type of look,
And that was the one that really got me going and is the one
that's really set me. I guess you could say, into the mode of
trying to get through this, getting to where I can be back out in
the woods, that these guys are not going to beat me, and that's
all there is to it. And that, I guess you could say,
pretty much sums up the encounters for me, you know, because that was
it. That's one that got me where I found you and I started talking
to you and getting your advice and everything. Well, that's more than enough.
Yeah, any one of those experiences would be too much to deal with
in most cases, but you've got strong character, it's going to be a
lot easier for you to deal with those experiences than most people. And if
you're having as much trouble as you are, just imagine what the average Joe
would have, How much trouble they would have dealing with these experiences. Wow,
I would hate to see what kind of trouble they would have, vic,
I really would, because I mean, these things are huge and they're
ugly. The one I seen in my head lights ugly, I don't.
I mean to me, the one I seen in my headlights is what nightmares
are made of. It really is. Yeah, I mean I just recently,
because of talking to you, started dealing with that one and that that
thing, I swear he I don't know another word outside of ugly, because
I don't think there's any stronger word that I can use to describe it.
If they're not going to win any beauty contests, that's for sure. No,
huh, not at all. Well, I've got the first question for
you is from Joe Daniels, and Joe wants to know, Mike, how
many humans did they I'm sorry, the question is, Mike, how human
did they look, if any? And were they all similar, like from
the same pack. Well, the first one I seen, he reminded me
of a bodybuilder type. The face was It's weird. It was like the
face was a mix he had. From what I could tell, with the
whey he was outlined, it looked like he had a muzzle and he had
these, you know, very pointed ears that the ears reminded me of like
kyo tears, you know, or wolf ears or whatever. You know.
They come to a point and you know, the night was a full moon,
and the moon was behind him, so I couldn't see him particularly,
but I tell you, from what I could see, his legs were like
the back leggs of a dog that he was standing on. I can't remember
which you call it now, but his legs were like that, you know,
they they were turned backwards, and it was just kind of reminded me
looking at him like that, I was looking at a trained show dog walking
across the stage, is what it reminded me of. The body itself.
Very muscular, very muscular, you know. Like I said, I think
he could put a bodybuilder to shame. I really do. The main thing
that made sense to me though, that I thought of, was his eyes.
I don't know if it was light from the street lights that was around
me, or the lights off the building, the floodlights. But his lights,
his eye, I couldn't tell if they were glowing or if it was
just you know, from your headlights, you know that type life. So,
but what I could tell he was, I don't want to say a
fifty to fifty mix. Looks like maybe he might have been seventy five percent
dog and twenty five percent man if I had to put a number two was
what he looked like to me, hence the name dog man. Yeah,
yeah, that's why. Well the next question is from do something diff and
their question is do they ever run on two legs? This sounded like to
me that he was on two legs the whole time. The one that ran
in front of me coming home, they were on all fours. The one
that ran beside me in Kansas, he was on all fours. It was
just that one that I seen that was on two legs. Did the fact
that it was on two legs increase the fear level that you felt? Or
do you think it wouldn't have made a difference if that one was down in
all fours, If it was on all fours, Vic, I probably would
have been able to handle it a little bit better, to be honest.
But when I looked up and that thing, I'm telling you, Vic,
every bit of a foot tall. And when I seen that, oh my
goodness, that was at It was the big you know, intimidation factor for
me because you could tell he was powerful. I mean just everything about him
said power. You know, his intelligence level, You could tell his intelligence
level just by the way he was doing. He wouldn't come toward the light.
He stayed out there at the edge of the woods where he was at.
Yeah, like say, this thing, he could have had me,
He could have had me right that second, and the would have been absolutely
nothing. I could have done nothing. Could you realize both of those factors.
Number One, he could have had you if he wanted to, and
if you would have done that, then, like you said, there's not
a thing you could have done to have protected yourself. But yeah, neither
one of those two things happened. And that's kind of tied into the seven
magic words. So I'm glad you're not going to forget them. Yes,
definitely, never forget those. I've got nothing, well, I hope not.
Yeah, that wouldn't be a good I mean the heck out of him
right now. Good man, I hope you continued to do that. I've
got another question for you from Elaine. Isabelle and Elaine wants to know did
you feel the sense of dread on either encounter? Oh yeah, oh yeah?
Uh that sense of dread was? I liken it to you know,
you're dead, you know what I mean? You know that nothing you can
do. Like I said, they're going to find my body. They're going
to hunt me down. I was scared to death. They were going to
get my scent and follow me home, you know, I mean, because
I know some animals, once they get your scent, they remember you,
well, actually all of them pretty much. They remember you. They that's
how they identify you. And that's what I was afraid of. I mean,
it was bad enough that I almost urinated myself right there in the parking
lot. That's how bad it got. On the second one, I got
home and I just was able to more or less deal with it because it
was on the road he was running beside me. But that third one,
he looked at me in the intelligence level again it was like I know you,
and that one there I mean when I got home, I normally don't
park my car in my garage because I just walk out my front door and
get in my car. And I got home, and I already had the
garage door up and open, and I parked in the garage and closed it
behind me. I did not get out of my car until that garage door
was closed, because I wasn't going to risk nothing, absolutely nothing, because
where this encounter was at was only three to five miles from my house,
not very far at all. Yeah, that is close, way too close
for comfort. Life is already more than difficult enough. It's just a shame
that people have to have experiences like these that just pile on to the difficulties
you have to deal with just getting through life. It just isn't right.
It really isn't. Oh it's hard, I'll tell you, Oh, of
course it is. Yeah, definitely. I've got another one for you from
Daniel Haynes, and Daniel wants to know, Mike, did the dog men
have either encounter attempt mind speak beyond what the eyes conveyed? You know,
really, Vick, I've wondered about that. There was a point in time
with the first one that I think it was possible because something It's something that
I don't normally do, you know, I don't normally mentally, I don't
normally just lay down and give up. But on the first one it was
like something was, oh god, I'm trying to think of a good way
to put it. Something was more or less telling me it's over. Just
give up, it's over, Just give up, you know, And I
don't normally do that. And I don't know if that was because of the
situation and what was happening, or if that was because of them trying to
I guess you would say, talk to me. I don't know. Yeah,
it's really hard to say. It's hard to think for these guys,
hard enough to think for people, let alone dog men. Exactly. That's
right. This next question is from Lily Lewis, and Lily wants to know
do you think the reason they're choosing or challenging you is because you're a protector
of sorts. I've wondered that too. I am very protective of people.
You know. One of the guys that I worked with told me, he
said, man, he said, you were in the Marine Corps. He
said, you signed a blank check with your life and he said, I've
noticed when I work with you, he said that you're always the first one
there. He said, you always put yourself out front. He said,
you definitely lead, you don't manage. And he said with that, you
know, he said, that's why all the guys look up to me,
because I lead them. I don't ask him to do anything I can't I
can't do, or anything like that. And whenever we were talking the other
day and I got off the phone with you, I was setting her and
I was thinking about stuff like that, and I wondered if it was a
challenge for that, because what was going through my mind was in people in
the casino. I mean, keeping my life was going through there. Don't
get me wrong, but the people in the casino, they were a concern
to me. You know, I could have cared less about the building or
anything like that at that time. It was keeping everybody in that place safe,
you know, just being able to get them out if I had to
get them out, you know, stuff like that. That's what was going
through my mind. So yeah, I did wonder that after I talked to
you that day. You're a good man. Not many people would put the
well being of others before their own, the way you do on such a
regular basis. With my father, That's what I learned growing up. My
father was the same way. You know. He put people's safety and everything
before his and he done it just like I do. He taught me well,
I'd say he did. It's safe to say you got it honestly then
and also too, like I said, thanks again so much for your service
to our country. I really appreciate it. Not a problem. Another one
of the listeners posted a comment on that, David Miller said, not a
question, but to the leather neck, thank you for your service. Great
granddad was an island hopper. My grandfather was who he did time on Guadalcanal
and Iwo Jima both. He was in the Marine Corps. My father was
in the Marine Corps. And I come by that honestly, you know.
So. And I've got an uncle that he had did time and Yosh where
he was a tail gunner and over there during World War Two. Also,
and I had two cousins that were in the Marine Corps that were in Vietnam
that went through the Ted Defensive. I say that does come honestly, also,
Yes, it does. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. My dad fought
in World War Two. So yeah, that generation, I mean, you
just can't compare, like they say, the best generation there ever was.
It's hard to compete with that. Yes, it is. It is.
Well. This next question is from Jerry Keyhill, and Jerry wants to know
did it feel like the dog I was trying to feed off your fear or
did it seem surprised by your bravery? I think it was trying to feed,
to be quite honest, because him standing in the dark, me not
knowing his next move, what he was doing, where he was going,
and stuff like that. And that was one of the reasons I kept my
back to the building as I was backing away from him through that parking lot,
because I wanted to know what he was going to do next. Even
though I may not have been able to stop him, I wanted to know,
you know, basically where it was coming from. And the more I
did that, it was like the more he did little things like I heard
little huffs, I heard tree branches that sounded like they were snapping. I
mean all kinds of stuff, stuff that somebody might do to scare somebody,
like say on a camping trip. You know, when you have campfire and
everybody tells ghost stories and stuff like that, and then you got somebody that
comes up to the tent and jumps on the tent and hollers or something like
that. You know, that's kind of what it reminded me of. But
it was on a much much, much bigger level, you know, more
intense. You know, that's that's uh, yeah, I'm sorry, big,
I'm sorry. This is flooding back. It was a much more intense
level than anything like that that I have ever dealt with. You know,
I've been the guy that scared people, and I've been the guy that got
scared, you know, on stuff like that, and this was it.
It was like a mastermind of terror, you know, a guy that could,
uh, a guy that could take and keep you in fear and make
you wonder, make you look over your shoulder, your every move, make
you you know, that type of thing, only on a much higher,
higher level. Well, like I say, I almost urnated myself right out
there in the parking lot. I mean it, I ain't gonna lie,
it was. It was all I could do to hold it to get back
in the building. Oh I bet if you would have done that. I
mean, what a man does in his own pants is no one's business but
his own. But if you would have I could have definitely understood it.
And these guys they definitely know how to push her buttons. They are masterful
at doing that. Yeah. I've spoken with eyewitnesses on countless occasions about that,
how they know just what to do to really get you mortified within an
inch of your life. And earlier on about twenty minutes ago, when we
asked about you being affected by it standing up, how it affected you versus
if the dog man would have remained in all fours. Yeah, they know
that when they stand up onto their back legs, that that just really pushes
our buttons. There's a shirt that I created that is basically finged around the
saying that it's all fun and games until the dog man stands up. And
that's true. That's how it is. Yeah, I'm telling you I can
attest to that with no problem, no problem at all that you can you
lived it. This next question is from Harvest Mary Moon, and Mary wants
to know what was the color of the eyes. I think she's asking about
the first dog. Mean you saw well the first one when I seen his
eyes and like say, It might have been eye shine, but I'm not
sure, but it was the closest color I can come up with, would
be like maybe a burnt orange, you know, not quite red, but
not all yellow type thing. It was definitely something that I could tell because
whenever he blinked a couple times, and whenever he blinked, I can tell
it because the color went away. You know. It was like kind of
like an animal that closes his eyes at night, you know, whenever you
shine the light on him, you get the eye shine for a second,
but then it goes away, you know, And that's what he done,
and it was That's the closest color I can come up with, is like
a burnt orange type color. Sounds to me like you're describing what could also
be seen as being amber. Is that accurate that that could be? Yeah,
Yeah, that could be. Yeah, sounds like that might be the
case. Also, I've got another one for you from Darren. Darren wants
to know, could you see the teeth? I don't know which encounter he's
asking about, but that's what he wants to know. On the last one,
I could because on the last one, when he turned at me,
his mouth was open. I don't know if they were chasing something that went
across the street before I got there or what. But he turned at me.
And when he turned at me and looked at me like he knew me
and kept watching me, his mouth was open and his teeth, Yeah,
the bottom ones kind of reminded me almost of a wild pig, you know
how their teeth get long, you know. And I would say probably guessing
because I didn't stop to look. I just hit the gas after he got
across the road, I would say, just guessing. For the brief second
or split second that I had to look at him, it was probably three
inches long, maybe maybe longer. I'm not real positive about it because I
didn't get a good look, but yeah, I did see him on that
last one. You didn't get a good look, but you got a good
enough luck, unfortunately. Yeah, very good enough that you did. This
next one is from Jason Gray, and Jason wants to know did it grin
like many do. No, it didn't. Whenever it got across the road
and it was looking at me, Like I say, I don't know if
they were hunting or what was going on, but whenever I seen the teeth
and stuff like that, I looked because I'd remembered a podcast that i'd listened
to of yours that said that it was they looked like they were grinning at
them, and I didn't see that. It looked like to me that maybe
he might have just been, you know, panting, just to be panting
or whatever. I don't know, but I did not see a grin on
this one he and I think maybe that's one of the things that could have
freaked me out because I'd seen dogs grin before, you know, and it
just it doesn't really bother me to see him grin. But if they're not
grinning, you know, then I get worried sometimes because you don't know what
they're thinking and what they're going to do. So it just but no,
I did not see a grin on it last week. You knew about dog
men having that tendency, not all the time, but it's not all too
uncommon for them to grin at an eye witness. You knew that, didn't
you. No, I did not. I heard that one podcast where they
people said that they've seen it and it looked like grin, But I didn't
know that was a normal thing. No, Yeah, it's fairly common unfortunately.
Like I said, they really do not to push our buttons. They
really do. Oh yeah, yeah certifiable. This next one is from Scott
Baker. Scott wants to know did the dog men sneer a wink or show
us facial features? The last one did, yes, and the second one
I could see some of them. The last one was in my headlights.
I seen the facial features on that one, like say, for a very
brief moment, and from what I could gather, it was a lot like
the second one. You know, the muzzle ears. But I did notice
something whenever I seen it in my headlights. Is with the facial features on
that one, the muzzle did not look as long as the first ones did.
Whenever it turned and got highlighted, you know, it didn't. The
muzzle on the first one looked longer than the muzzle on this one. You
know. So I don't know, like somebody said or earlier tonight, you
know, do I think they're part of the same pack or whatever. I
don't know. It's possible, I guess, because you know, this last
one's muzzle was not that long. It looked like it was maybe i'd give
it two inches maybe shorter or three inches shorter somewhere around there, and it
was very It kind of reminded me of, Gosh, I don't have any
I used to have an Italian Maston and the shorter bulldogish type muzzle, you
know, is kind of what it reminded me of was hers because it was
just as matter of fact, it didn't have the colors that she had,
but the color of it was, oh, I guess you call it brindle
where they got the black and the gray and brown's and all that in it.
That's what it reminded me of, was a brindle. And the shoulders
back behind the neck were a very muscular looking shoulder when they were on.
When it was on all fours, because it stayed on all fours, it
kind of very I could tell they were muscular. And I had I don't
know if it was a hawk's or the mains or what, but the hawks
at the back of its neck was either standing up or it had some kind
of maine, you know. I could tell that. And it just that's
one that really freaked me out to, like I say, because that one
looked at me like it seriously knew me. Like it, you know,
I kind of think of it like in a way we're going to have fun
tonight, you know type thing, we're going to terrorize you. And when
I got home, like say, I got in my garage, I shut
my door and I did not get out of my car until that door was
down. And then I came in the house and I double checked every dead
boat, every lock, everything, and I know that that probably ain't going
to help me with as big as these things are and as powerful as they
look. But I was going to do everything I could to protect myself.
And I even had my gun. Matter of fact, on the first one
after it happened, I was going to the employee parking lot before I went
to the casino. That's what I thought of, because you know where I
live in Oklahoma, We're an open kerry state, and I was going to
go to my car and get my gun, even though I can't carry it
in the casino, I was going to go get it. And that was
going to be, I guess, you'd say, my last stand if it
had to be, you know, but I thought better of it and thought,
well, I better get in just in case. I'm glad you didn't
go grab it. Guns are nice and understandably so they'll give an eyewitness a
certain amount of confidence, but in a lot of cases having a gun,
that's just when the problems start when it comes to these guys. This next
question is from casey' rich thirteen, and Casey wants to know, how would
you read its intelligence? Again, I don't know which dog mean he's asking
about, but that's what he wants to know. Honestly, I would say
genius level and beyond. With this this thing, it's like it knew where
the light ended and I couldn't see it. It's like it knew what I
was trying to do, what I was, why I was staying in the
light, like maybe drawed out in the light or whatever. You know,
it knew all this stuff. It's like anything I did, it always had
a countermeasure. Anything I would say out loud, because there was a few
expletives that I had when I was out in the parking lot, but you
know, I can't say on the show, but there was a few of
them. But it was like it knew that I was trying to do something,
you know, besides just getting back into the casino. Whenever I started
heading to the south parking lot. One of the things that changed my mind.
Whenever I was going after my gun was I started hearing it further down.
You know, it stayed on the same side of the road, but
I started hearing it further down, like it was the way I seen it
as it was going to try to cut me off, or it was going
to cut me off before I ever got to my car, like it knew
what I was going to do. That's so I would say genius level and
beyond, to be quite honest, that fits. Yeah, they do so
many things that clearly point out the fact that their intelligence is off the charts
human level, if not superseding are intelligence levels. In a lot of ways,
it's hard to understand, but that definitely does seem to be the case.
This next one is from Nico Diaz, and Nico wants to know,
do you think they feed from our fear? Definitely, definitely, I have
no doubt. Because the whole time that I was out there, I mean
I was, I don't know how else to say it. VIC, I
was shaking in my boots. I was doing everything I could to keep my
bladder from emptying. I was doing all this stuff, and there was one
point in time I remember this, I remember this now, there was one
point in time when that was happening and I was straining to hold myself and
stuff like that. It was almost like a chuckle, almost like a like
somebody a sadistic chuckle, you know. So yeah, I think they do
feed off here, I really do. That makes two of us. Wouldn't
be surprised if they do. The next one is from Pittbull or Tacops and
their question is where do you think they come from? I wish I had
a good answer, like I say, the area we have across the streets,
woods and pastor and deer and pigs and everything else. And honestly,
what I seen was physical, so that's what I have to go with.
You know. I didn't so much see it as spiritual as I seen a
physical body, a very solid thing right in front of me basically, and
I knew that it had I guess you would say, the solid mass or
whatever to do me in if it wanted to. And that's all I can
say is I believe that maybe they come from a long time ago type thing.
You know, they're at the end. And I was raised in church
and everything like that as a kid growing up, but I believe that maybe
after the flood in the Bible that they were part of, you know,
the animals or something like that. And if that's not the case, the
closest thing I can think of is a genetic experiment because it's one of those
two things. I don't think it can be anything else. It's positive lead
it on a regular basis that all these guys came from government test to programs.
And yeah, some of them present day just might have come from a
test too, but that wouldn't explain the way all the encounters that have happened
long before we had the technology to do that. So yeah, it's really
hard to say for sure whether they do come from it's pretty much anyone's guess.
George Scott wants to know how much bigger than Andrea the Giant the wrestler
were the dog men. Oh, I'd say he had a good butt and
a half on him, height, stomach wise and everything like Andre was.
I would say, not near as big in the abdomenary, you know,
stuff like that in the stomach area, hand wise. You know, they
always talked about when Andrea Giant drank a beer, a beer can look like
a toy in his hands. Well, this thing could make Andrea's hands I
believe looked like at in his hands, but high wise good butt and a
half arms. I would say, like say he put a bodybuilder. Shame
that The bodybuilder I can think of would have been at that time that I
was thinking of was Ronnie Cole. They talked about him. I believe Ronnie
Cole, he would be a midget compared to this guy. This guy was
freaking huge. Yeah, I mean it has scared though. I almost went
down. I almost went down. My knees got weak, they started to
buckle everything. I mean, this guy was freaking huge. Yeah, he
was a big one, but as far as dog men go, he wasn't
all that big. I know it's not a comforting thought, but yeah,
these guys, it can be twelve feet tall a big meal. They can
come in at about twelve feet in the height. Now a dog me in
that big is going to have hands that could cover a trash can lid.
That's how big their hens can be. Just imagine that. No, God,
I don't want to don't blame you. Yes, it's not going to
give you the warm and fuzzies. No, by a long shot. Jessica
Wells has the next question up, and she's I guess it's not a question.
Her comment says, VIC, not a question, but my husband drives
a ninety six Explore and I just measured it's four feet from the ground to
the bottom of the windshield. So just imagine how taught would be standing.
Oh good grief, I'd have probably lost it if it would have stood up,
because that would have been huge. I mean I did. I'm just
glad I come home in the middle of the night because I'm the only one
on the road usually because this area is not real heavy heavily populated, and
I'm the only one on the road at that time of night when I'm coming
home. And whenever I seen him, and I looked at him, just
for the short time that I did on the way by, I had to
bring myself from the wrong side of the road back over into my lane of
traffic. I mean, that's how much he had my attention, had your
full attention. Understandably so too. Lily Lewis is the next one. She
wants to know. Do you feel like they chose you to share the knowledge
they exist? Like because you doubt their existence in a way possible because you
know in one way Bigfoot, you know, I can or Sasquatch, whatever
you want to call him, I can understand because you know that what was
it called that film where they were all, you know, they had a
film of it. I could kind of see that because to me, that's
kind of like an oversized epe type thing, you know. But the dog
man, I mean, I would had to liken that to Oh, I
guess you'd say American war whooping in London. I think that would be a
good one right there, to describe, you know, what I've seen in
my headlights was like an American wear whoop in London. That would be a
good one. And you know, I honestly think that they may have I
don't know. I wish I could answer for him because then I would maybe
be through all this by now. But yeah, it's very possible, very
very possible. Yes it is. This next question is from Jerry Kehill,
and Jerry wants to know do you think they're much more Do you think they're
more prone? Do you think you're more prone to see them since you've seen
them so much? Oh? Yeah, yeah, And I don't know why.
I don't know what the deal is, but it took a while for
my second one after the first one, you know, it was the next
year before I seen it. But you know, this other one, it
seems like it's a closer timeframe on this last one, you know. I
mean it was just like, say, about three weeks ago now, because
it was about two weeks whenever I talk to you that had been. And
so yeah, I think maybe I am now And I think like a I
don't know how to say it, like maybe a pack mentality, you know,
like they all communicate, you know, type of thing if you watch
it, like say a wolf pack or something like that. They all have
a way to communicate. And I'm thinking maybe they do too, you know,
because otherwise how else they have survived. Yeah, they just might be
able to do that. It's hard to see what the limits of their abilities
are, so you never know. But like I told you in the first
conversation, please don't lose sight of the fact that after having all these experiences
with them, you have yet to have a single scratch put on you by
them. That's not to say they're safe as a bunny rabbit to be around,
but that is the fact that hope you never lose sight of. Oh
believe me. I've been doing my best. I've been doing my best not
to lose sight of that. I really have, you know it. Just
now, when I come through at State Park coming home, I am definitely
scanning that area when I make that turn to start to come through that park,
I'm scanning from that point went on until I get through it, you
know. And I live by a huge lake here in Oklahoma, and right
behind me, you know, there's a farmer. He's got cattle that's not
even fifty yards off my back door, you know, with his fence line,
and we got the lake, I got woods, I mean, I
got everything around me that the lake is only about three hundred yards for me
where I'm at, And so I just I have to keep that in mind,
you know, because if I don't, I may lose it, you
know, going out after dark. It's like earlier I was talking to you,
and I went out and it started to get dark, and I just
turned around and come right back in the house. Just now. I mean
I shut my door, I locked it and pulled my curtain shut and everything
else I didn't, you know, uh uh. I don't want to see
them things right now. I'm dealing with them. In baby steps. If
something comes out, I don't want to see it right now. Just I
guess, let it roam free or whatever you want to say. Well,
it goes with that saying, I hope you never do have another encounter,
but please remember, Oh I'm sorry, please continue. Oh that's all right,
I just say, and I hope I don't either. Vic, I
can understand why if you do have another encounter, as you know, please
let me know if you need any help, because I'm not going to be
going anywhere. I'll be here for you. Oh, thank you very much.
Oh you're welcome. Mars Staw is the next one. Mar wants to
know. Do you feel they were alone? I think, Mars asking about
the last encounter. Uh, the last one. No, there was two
of them ran out in front of me. It's like the first one didn't
even pay me any mind. It just was across the road and gone.
It was that second one that looked at me, that looked at me like
they knew me, you know, like they'd known me for a while.
I guess you say or whatever, But it was that second one, you
know, took the time to stare me down whenever I went by, look
at me whenever it was running across the road in my headlights and on.
It was that second one that went across the road, you know, really
got me. But see those two together after that. No, I do
not think they travel alone. I believe even that first one, even though
it was acting the way it was, I believe that there was something there
to back them up if need be. That might be the case, But
I think in almost every instance these guys do travel alone. And I'll tell
you why. If you're talking about wolves, they have to operate in numbers
out of necessity to take any prey down that they predate on. It takes
either the speed of the pack or the strength of the pack to do it.
But with dog men, they've got the speed in the strength to dispatch
anything that they're going to try and take down. So that right there,
that wipes off in the requirement, wipes out in the requirement of them to
operate and exist in numbers. Number two. When you think about the daily
caloric requirements of just that one guy that you saw when you had your first
encounter, it's going to have a ridiculously huge daily caloric requirement. Well,
if it hung out in numbers with other dog men, then that daily requirement
is just going to skyrocket from there. Well, an area is only going
to be able to support so many game species. And with that in mind,
if you had a number of dog men spending time in a particular area
for any amount of time, they're going to deplete the resources in that area
and no time whatsoever. So I mean, it would be a benefit for
them to operate alone in almost every instance. Not to say they don't come
together, because they obviously do from time to time, but it wouldn't make
sense for them to make a habit out of coming together in numbers. That's
just basically what I'm getting at there. Okay, So the next question is
from Aleene Isabelle, and her question is did you notice any long claws on
those big hands you saw? I don't know if they were claws or fingers,
Bick because, like I say, he was outlined more by the I
guess you say, the moonlight behind him or whatever. I couldn't tell.
In all honesty, I really wasn't paying a whole lot of attention if they
were claws or fingers either. I just know they were huge hands. I
know that whenever I got to the to the light that I could feel comfortable
in. I guess you'd say even though I wasn't comfortable, it just I
lost sight of him. I couldn't, you know, tell anything other than
what was outlined in the dark by him and the light that was behind him.
But I don't know if there were claws there that I could see,
because I did notice that the fingers came to a point. I wouldn't know
how long they were because, like say that he was doing his best to
stay in the dark, but yet at the same time let me know he's
there. And I took it kind of like a you know, a guy
that tries to be a bully. You know, Hey, I'm large and
in charge type thing, you know. And he played the role really well,
believe me, played it real well. Oh I'm sure he did.
Yeah, they've got that down pat. This next one is from Jerry kee
Hill and it's a really good question. It's going to be the last question
I'm going to ask you from the listeners for the night, and his question
is has anyone gone missing around the casino? I know the casinos around here,
folks are always going outside to do whatever. Well, there is a
what we call a homeless camp that's down the road about oh maybe a quarter
mile from the casino. We call it tent City. Within the last few
years, i'd say three or four years, they have moved in. The
people who live there have moved into an old building that used to be a
meat processing plant and no one could ever understand why. And a guy that
owns it doesn't mind if they go in there as long as they don't tear
it up. But anyways, they have moved in there because within the last
few years they've found several people that are deceased. Now, whether that's from
drug overdose or whatever, I don't know, but I know they have found
like maybe three or four of them here in the last few years. And
usually when they find him, because it's not too far from the water,
they find him in the water. They found one they said he looked like
he might have been someone might have tried to bury him in a shallow grape
type thing. One guy he was covered up by leaves, you know,
just different stuff like that. So I can't say if it was them,
but yeah, we have had people found deceased within a quarter to a half
mile of us. Yes, it sure does make you wonder it does.
Yes, unfortunately, so it does well. Mike. I can't thank you
enough for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences with us. I
really do appreciate it, and like I told you before several times, if
you ever do need any help, please do be sure to let me know
because I'll be there for you. I will, VIC, I will,
and I thank you very much. Oh, you're welcome. Glad to do
that. Well. Yeah, thanks again so much for your time, and
have a great night. I will thank you for your time and everybody else's
I appreciate it. Oh, you know, you're welcome. Well, everyone,
thank you so much for listening to tonight's show. Thanks for listening to
the show in general. And if you've had a dog mean encounter of your
own that you'd like to speak with me about, whether in private just between
the two of us, or if you'd like to come on the show like
Mike did and share it for the listeners, all you have to do is
just go to dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you do that,
then I'd be more than happy to contact you and set up a conversation
with you. But having said that, thanks again, all of you so
much for listening and have a great weekend. MS English