1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:06,480 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:01:06,480 Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show for this April edition. 3 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,040 So I'm your host Neil Ward, with my fellow host Andy Chaplin. 4 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,560 Andy, how are you good to see you? Hello, Neil, how 5 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,120 are you doing. I'm fine. I've been really busy today. I've been 6 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:18,920 busy writing my book. So I think I've told you. I've already got 7 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,560 a book in the pilot plumb which is going to be published in November, 8 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,040 which is called True Tales of the Paranoral. But I'm now working on the 9 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:32,239 next one, which is Unexplained Modern Mysteries, And so I'm covering at the 10 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,680 moment a chapter on Bigfoot. So I've been reuching all into the origins of 11 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,159 Bigfoot, where it came from. And the fact is a Bigfoot doesn't just 12 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:44,640 exist in North America. What we believe is Bigfoot exists all around the world, 13 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,040 which is in his disperent names like the I think they call it, 14 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,519 well they call it in Australia that the Yowie, I think it's called as 15 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,079 the ol Mass and in various sizes. In different parts of the United States, 16 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:01,280 they call it the skunk. Then that's because it smells so bad. 17 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,439 And that's the common description of the bigfoot. Yes, yeah, and sasquatches 18 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:13,280 the Canadian Native American Canadian term given to it. So in Canada you tend 19 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,599 to hear the word sasquatch, and in Northern America they tend to call it 20 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,680 bigfoot. A bottable snow canon man is the one that comes from the Himalayas. 21 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,960 And the reason it's called a bonnomball is a mistranslation that they called it 22 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,960 a terrible something or other and the man mistranslated as abominable, and so that's 23 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,479 how been cav of avolinable snowman. And with that, it doesn't necessarily live 24 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:39,159 in the high glacier mountains. It tends to be spotted crossing over valleys and 25 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:43,879 its normally mountaineers are high up on the mountains can look down and see it. 26 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,599 The bottable snow is actually further down into the valley and it crosses over 27 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,199 into valleys where it can get, you know, to sources of food. 28 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,280 Basically, it doesn't live high in the mountains, so it's too cold and 29 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,800 there'll be nothing up there for it basically talking about abominable and terrible In Canada, 30 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,639 When do the canadi Jeans get a chance to vote out communist dictator Justin 31 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:09,439 Trudeau, the worldly honorable dictator? Yeah? How years? Almnths? They 32 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:15,719 have to endure that? Utter twat? Is it? Every five years they 33 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:21,120 have a general election? UK four year, isn't it? And America's four 34 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,719 years? I think so, I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, I 35 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:25,360 think I think the most of the UK you can take it up to five 36 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:30,960 years, but most general elections come around every four years. If if the 37 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,840 government of the day thinks that they've got a good chance of winning, they 38 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:38,560 call an early general action while things are a little bit sweeter and hopefully capitalize 39 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:42,919 on that popular thing as if it's all done fair and square, of course, 40 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:46,599 which probably won't be, because that's what communists do. Yeah. I 41 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,240 know, you've got a little bit of a space thing going on with your 42 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:54,800 shirt, is that? Yeah? So commemorations eclipse do we do marks allen 43 00:03:54,919 --> 00:04:01,199 on her? I'm not sure. This was bought for me and it's very 44 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,719 add because it's got space stars and comets and things like that, and every 45 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,120 now and again I wear it because I think, ow, I do like 46 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:11,039 this shirt, and I've got a NASA shirt as well with a little astronaut 47 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,800 on it. And I actually for Easter, I got an Easter egg with 48 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,360 an astronaut on it, so it was all very space theme. But I've 49 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,480 always loved space and science fiction. So yeah, if we do another Apollo 50 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:26,079 Detectives, please wear the NASA T shirt because I will Arcus and the Tears 51 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,000 and it'll be great fun. I will. So what have you been up 52 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,079 to? Then? Mostly work actually, so sorting out signs and things. 53 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:39,720 There's there's something extra that we're doing with Tuned in Events. So we used 54 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:43,079 to be doing kind of one to one readings and then we bolted on demos 55 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,360 to that. We're now bolting on foods to the whole thing, and we're 56 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,199 creating psychic suppers now so people can kind of sit down, eat a meal, 57 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,120 have mediums come to them, do readings and then like a bit of 58 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,040 a show as well. So if anyone's in the South East of England area, 59 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,120 have a look at tuned in Events and it will be on Facebook and 60 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,240 Instagram and tuned with the d in Events and we're doing all sorts of really 61 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:12,199 similar to Philip. I see sometimes see Philip's posters kind of flashing up. 62 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:16,279 Philip Kinsello our guest coming up soon with the various psychic things that he gets 63 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:19,160 up to as well. So I'm sure at some point we'll work together. 64 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:23,959 I hope we'll do something together. Well, let's welcome Philips. As we've 65 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,120 mentioned Philip, So our guest today is Philip Kinsella, and he has his 66 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,920 own show with his brother Roddy called The Twin Souls on the parah and UK 67 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,759 Radio network. And Philip is an author of many UFO and paranormal books, 68 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,160 and he also happens to be a Clairvoyd Mean as well, so he's got 69 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,360 many strings to his bow. And we're going to be talking about his latest 70 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,360 book, which I do have in front of me, which is called Terrestrial 71 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,439 Trespasses. So welcome Philip. Are you there? Hello Philip? Yes, 72 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,199 Hello, Andy and Neil. Very honored to be back on your show again. 73 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,879 I'm very delighted, thank you, thank you for joining us once again. 74 00:05:57,959 --> 00:06:00,879 Philip. So how are you? First of all, well, I 75 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,439 started the year off not too good. I ended up in hospital and had 76 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:09,279 an illness for just under three months. So it's been quite a struggle for 77 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,240 me. They thought first of all that I had fractured my spine, but 78 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:17,759 it was linked with muscular and also another problem to my next So the beginning 79 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,519 of this year was not very good. So there's always hope that things will 80 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:27,759 improve. Let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah, that you did 81 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,680 with it or sprained it or help. Well, yeah, I was taking 82 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,800 my sister's dog for a walk and she baulted. It wasn't the dog's fault, 83 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,279 but that pulled everything out literally, And of course Neil and I have 84 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:43,000 spoken about some other family gruesome things that have occurred with him and family there. 85 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:46,199 So we're recovering. So I'm working on that now. So at least 86 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,800 I know what the major problems that I've had before in the past, so 87 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,560 you know, we all get these knocks. I've got nothing really to complain 88 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:56,439 about because that's incidental compared to what some people go through. Yeah, well, 89 00:06:56,519 --> 00:06:58,879 as I'll tell him for I think I told you this, and I'm 90 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,800 not sure, but my brother at the beginning of the year suffered a major 91 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,199 leotic aneurism. He's only eighteen months old than me, and an autic aneurysm 92 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,480 is where your archery from the heart splits literally in two and all the blood 93 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:15,040 palls inside you and it can be failed to able. Did you have the 94 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,839 alchie felt you, Neil? I really don't know. I suspect he probably 95 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:24,759 did, but he was in hospital and there's only like a twenty percent survival 96 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:27,800 rate if they can get you to hospital, because most people like my mom 97 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,639 and dad sadly died from it. I mean, my dad got to hospital 98 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:31,759 but they said sorry, there's nothing we can do for it, and he 99 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:36,240 sadly passed away. And my mom just sort of passed away that night at 100 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:40,279 home in twenty sixteen, very suddenly, and of course we didn't know what 101 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:45,199 it was at the time. But they managed to get my brother to hospital, 102 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:48,199 and initially they were going to turn him away, but his wife insisted 103 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,319 that they look further and thank god, she's dead. So that's when they 104 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,279 discovered the problem and he was then taken to another hospital and he was literally 105 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:00,759 saying goodbyes to everybody because he thought this is it, I'm sort of thing, 106 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:05,600 and he had the operation and he was kept in a coma for six 107 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,920 days whilst he recovered, and he wasn't expected to survive. But the irony 108 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,040 was the bitter pill to swallow, was that whilst he was asleep in the 109 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,120 coma, his own father in law, his wife's father, was suddenly rushed 110 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:26,160 to hospital and he died of a stroke whilst my brother was in the coma. 111 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,920 So he woke up sort of six days later thinking how is everybody? 112 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,480 Where is everybody? And he found out his father in law had passed away 113 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,720 whilst he was in the coma, which is a shocking thing, a terrible 114 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,240 start for you know, it's very sad, and so I have nothing to 115 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:43,240 complain about. I'm still alive and on this side of life, I haven't 116 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:48,840 been abducted, so that's I suppose that's a very good thing to acknowledge. 117 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:50,919 But I'm sorry for all of us because a lot of people have gone through 118 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:54,440 really difficult times. But we're here to cheer things up and you know, 119 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,799 and to keep going forward. That's all we can do, isn't it. 120 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:03,080 We're here to talk about wonderful visitors that pop in the night called the Grays, 121 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,480 which is the subject of your latest book for it, which is called 122 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:11,840 if I can bring into focus there, I'll probably put it's it's the terrestrial 123 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,960 test passes, the Grays abductions, and areas of high strangeness. Now, 124 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,519 it's interesting not this book for him. I was. I was actually trying 125 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,519 to work it out because you got a forward by Peter Robbins, who we've 126 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,759 interviewed on the show at weld Hat, but you've also got an introduction, 127 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,240 and I was trying to work out what's the difference between a forward and in 128 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,240 an introduction. Is there a difference? Not really, No, it's just 129 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:39,440 a polite way of not putting prologue or you know, forward too many times. 130 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,000 I think it's nice when you have the endorsement of some really cool authors 131 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,720 out there. I mean, yeah, we've all gone down that road at 132 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,320 some point. And I was very honored. Peter I've known for many long 133 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,960 years, for a very long time, and you know, we're not going 134 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,120 to get involved with the Renders problem, the issue that he had. And 135 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:01,840 he's a good sweet men, he's brilliant, he knows all of the top 136 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:05,200 euthologists, he knows his stuff, and you know, he couldn't help being 137 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,360 pulled into something that he believed actually was real. So that's another story. 138 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,000 But I was so pleased and grateful also for the authors to endorse that project. 139 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,159 It was a hard project to write, I have to say. And 140 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,320 with any book, as you know, Neil and Andy as well, you 141 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,720 know, with regards to your future endeavors, you know you'll always have the 142 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:26,919 good, the bad, and the ugly, and the people that don't like 143 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,960 what you're writing, or they they've got an opinion, which is important as 144 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,840 long as it's constructive. But this is what we find within the annals of 145 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:39,240 yourthology. There is great divide. And of course, as you know, 146 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,399 both of you know that, like yourselves, I'm very grounded, very to 147 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:50,000 the point, and very open also to all forms of speculation. But I've 148 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,320 had people telling me where the Grays come from, what they called even the 149 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,639 Reptilians of their even the name of their high command, and I just lose 150 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,519 the plot. I think it's hard enough trying to establish exactly what we're dealing 151 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:07,039 with on an empirical level of conscious awareness. And this is something I think 152 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,240 that a lot of people out there have their own ideas. Where do you 153 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,039 draw the line? Where is that distinction between fact and fantasy? And this 154 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,440 is where we're trying to draw those parallels. The phenomena is real. It 155 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,559 exists, absolutely, but not quite the way I think that the system that 156 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,600 we serve has sold it to us. I said to Neil earlier, I 157 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,840 think there's more to this than just the nuts and bolts aspect with it, 158 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,600 Philip, what's your issues to do with the rendoltion thing? Because funny enough, 159 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,759 actually somebody has invited me to go on a Rendalsham night watch. Is 160 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:43,080 that advisable or not? Well? In large groups, sometimes is good, 161 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,600 but it doesn't always work. Rendalshim is interesting, and I think for all 162 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:52,519 of us, I always say that we're all important. When you start going 163 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,759 down the rabbit hole with this, you start to find yourself in cases of 164 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,440 synchronicity and levels of high strangeness. I remembered with regards to Renderlsham, when 165 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,000 I was young, and I remember the story breaking out in the News of 166 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:07,840 the World. I think it was on the front page of the News of 167 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:11,879 the World and it said its official UFO lands in Suffolk or something like that. 168 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,679 Well, anyway, I remembered I was in a field, in a 169 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,879 field of all places, as a kid reading this newspaper. I got a 170 00:12:18,919 --> 00:12:24,000 copy of it and found that fascinating and then fast forward, you know, 171 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,600 a number of years, and then finding myself meeting Peter Robbins and then going 172 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,039 to Rendershom because he said, you need to go there because there's still a 173 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,360 lot of activity happening there. And of course I didn't understand what Peter was 174 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:39,879 talking about. We all all knew about the nineteen eighty event with Colonel Charles 175 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,679 Holt and the American military. And I've met me and Ronnie have met Colonel 176 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,759 Holt, and he's an esteem gentleman, very grounded. We had a meal 177 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,679 with him, and he's sharp as a knife. And what he said was 178 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,759 that thing that they saw was not from this world. And would you believe 179 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,720 it that when we started to explore the forest the area of Rendlesham, I 180 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,720 then met Brenda Butler purely by well, I wouldn't say, by chance, 181 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:11,840 through synchronicity, and that we ended up co authoring a book together called Skycrash. 182 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:18,200 Throughout time, and people didn't want to know about that. They only 183 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,000 wanted to know about the nineteen eighty event that was celebrated because it had been 184 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:28,519 an experience that was linked with military guys. But when we did our research, 185 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:33,480 we established a lot of other reports and phenomena that happened to us, 186 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:39,360 also, even to the point of summoning a UFO on the eighth of June 187 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,159 nineteen ninety eight at ten fifteen pm at night, that occurred in the field 188 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:48,360 called Cappel Green and that is documented. But no one, no, no, 189 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,879 we don't want to know. We were not interested. And I think 190 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:56,039 this is where we're missing key elements, key points to this, because this 191 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:01,639 is a big problem. But it reminded me a lot of the difficulties that 192 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,759 we have with many other subject matters, mediumship claire voyds laugh after death. 193 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:13,360 So yeah, Rendilsham had played a huge part, but unfortunately I suffered with 194 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:20,440 the onslaught of many other people, individuals who did not want me to talk 195 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,440 about this, or it's just one of those things. I suppose they don't 196 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:31,399 want you gate crashing on someone else's territory when you go to this. So 197 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,639 who is it that you would say, Philip, that's kind of not wanting 198 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:37,120 you to speak up on this. Are we talking men in black? Are 199 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:43,559 we talking like UFO groups that are quite cliquey, or well, certain individuals 200 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,000 I won't name here, but certainly I think this destroys a lot of what 201 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:54,480 you're trying to achieve, especially where other researchers are concerned. It's rather like 202 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,120 Roswell. I mean, I've never been to Roswell, but I do know 203 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,240 that there's been a lot of controversy, especially when you researchers come in and 204 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:07,600 they voice their opinion, their theoretical opinion on that. And so you'll find 205 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:11,120 this with a lot of cases. And within yourpology, you have the love 206 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,360 and light, and you have those who stand on the side of what we're 207 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:20,320 dealing with negative energies, entities, and I have been trying to establish the 208 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:26,000 truth like yourselves, in what we're actually dealing with, and it's just incredible. 209 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:30,120 It's like anything really in life. Whatever you do, whatever you write, 210 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,320 you'll be attacked for it, but you just have to be steadfast and 211 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,919 very very grounded with it and trying to open up all these areas of investigation. 212 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,799 But I will tell you that the things that have happened to me that 213 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:50,039 doesn't make me unique have categorically not just within UFOs or alien intrusion, but 214 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:56,039 also the psychic component categorically tells me that we are dealing with elements of inter 215 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:02,000 dimensional contact and that whatever they are, wherever they're coming from in terms of 216 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:07,120 UFOs or even in cryptozoology. Neil and I were talking about that the dogmen 217 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,039 wear wolf sasquatch, whatever you want to call it, these nightmarish creatures. 218 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,960 If you can tell me what are they're hanging around? And I'd like to 219 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:19,519 go down and have a word with it, because where are they getting drunk? 220 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:25,120 So why did you decide to focus on the grays? All the reported 221 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,759 alien abductions are the Grays obviously make a They're kind of like the most common. 222 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,039 Was that part of the reason why you wanted to write about them particularly? 223 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:38,080 Well, I've been very interested in our origins as a species. And 224 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:42,480 when you, as you both know, when you've been touched by this singularity 225 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:51,440 in a number of times, majorly very close, you're left with questions. 226 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,600 And I think we live by a system that we serve that has lied to 227 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:03,039 us. In reference to the Grays, I mean, I've had telling people 228 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,160 telling me all the grays have deserted, they scattered off. Now how do 229 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,519 they know that? You know, who? Where did they get this information 230 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,680 from? In fact, what we do know about the Grays is that they 231 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:18,240 lie more times than not to their subjects when there has been an abduction that's 232 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,400 been initiated. The Grays interested me because I had an experience back in nineteen 233 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,759 eighty nine which changed my concept of reality, and there was a part to 234 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:32,839 that experience, one physical one non physical, that seemed to open up some 235 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,720 kind of awareness with regards to what the Grays may be now after the experience 236 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:41,640 that I had that was very raw and savage and embarrassing that I'm not going 237 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:47,359 to go to go on about here, because you know, but another researcher 238 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,759 found some amazing parallels between what my brother had done on the physical part on 239 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:53,680 what a gray had done. At the last part of my experience, the 240 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,720 gray seemed to be mimicking what my brother had been doing. So this kind 241 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,079 of like led me. After the experience in nineteen eighty nine, after I 242 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:11,920 had the marks and the trauma in nineteen ninety six, I had the only 243 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,279 time that I could recall was some kind of download. I remembered us at 244 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:18,400 work, and all of a sudden, it was a feeling like my mind 245 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,319 had literally opened. And I'm not privy to anything that's subjectively ridiculous, but 246 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,400 there again, you know, how can you guard yourself against what I'm just 247 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,200 about to say. It was like my mind had opened up and I had 248 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:36,559 this imigh this knowledge immediately coming into my head about the Grays and what they 249 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:41,519 could possibly represent on a theoretical level. And I remember that I literally typed 250 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:45,319 the whole thing up, sent it to Alien Encounters magazine, which was a 251 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,920 big magazine at the time, and they published it and they said that it 252 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,799 was revolutionary within its speculation because the Grays, I was because I had experienced 253 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,720 a few of them as well as dare I said, the reptilians. But 254 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:03,359 now we're making new headwere and understanding this phenomena seems to interconnect with other entities. 255 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,559 And I'm not going down that road with who knows what and their high 256 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:11,920 command or what position they have, I have no idea. But with regards 257 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:17,680 to the Grays, I was wondering why it was that a species that cannot 258 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:22,920 themselves reproduce, almost like a cloned unit, was interested in the aspect of 259 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,759 reproduction, and not only that, but how they were able to infiltrate our 260 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:33,599 reality through solid structures. Now, when I started looking into this and I 261 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:41,079 had this download, the download was more or less explaining that these creatures, 262 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:45,079 these beings, whatever you want to call them, these denizens operate on a 263 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,400 level very much like the near death experience. When you have someone who has 264 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:55,359 died and reports going to the other side through to a light, communicating with 265 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,160 loved ones through telepathic exchange, a sense of timelessness, and if there is 266 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:04,079 uh something that's occurred to their physical body through illness, that they've just left 267 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:10,279 a lot of times when they've returned back from the dead back to their body, 268 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,160 they're healed. Now, when you take an abduction, when someone is 269 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,559 forcibly taken, the beings themselves normally knock out anyone around them or distort their 270 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:26,720 reality. Then they bring that individual into their spatial reality. There is a 271 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,880 sense of timelessness, and there is a sense of communication on a telepathic level 272 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,599 and implants and also failed enmeshed within the body. Once the the you know, 273 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,519 the experiences has completed its cycle. Now, when you have an ear 274 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:48,319 death experience, the person will most notably always remember their encounter because I think 275 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,200 that was that's a natural process of the body and the consciousness, the soul 276 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,960 of the spirit removing itself from the vehicle in a forced episode in terms of 277 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,160 abduction, I think that when the individual is being taken primarily from their normal 278 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:10,160 processing of information through the brain and into that reality, there's some kind of 279 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,880 wipeout with memory exchange. And it's no different than an astronaut that says that 280 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,759 when they're outside the strategy of the world, when they remove themselves they're in 281 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,519 space, there's a difference, there's some kind of did they feel differently about 282 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,480 the whole thing? So I was looking at the Grays in terms of some 283 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:33,559 kind of cloned entity that was perhaps not able to reproduce, perhaps species that's 284 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:41,240 outside the field of our reproduction through creation creation, creationalism, and that they're 285 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,559 interested in us as a reproductive specie because they cannot have what we have. 286 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,880 And this has led me to new ideas now recently about what possibly we could 287 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:56,720 be dealing with of gouds. Do these grays as it were, so back 288 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,359 in eighteen nine, you had your experience, and now you've got Liker, 289 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:11,079 a good who forty years plus of reading and similar leople things as your original 290 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:17,920 experience kind of now as it matured in the sense of you can't I've got 291 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,920 a really good handle on what's happened, or as a battling thing we look 292 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,799 back at him. No, I have no idea. Pierce mac another and 293 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:29,640 I'm sure you know him anyway, he was able to connect two paths to 294 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000 that. And that's why I say to anyone who has an abduction or an 295 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,279 experience, to please tell the truth. Remain grounded, however far fetched it 296 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,559 may seem. Remember this is back in nineteen eighty nine, and when this 297 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000 occurred to me, the trauma of it still. I wouldn't say it's a 298 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,079 parent today, but I'm still left with question marks. I've had people telling 299 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,759 me, oh, you know, it's an experience. You know you wrote 300 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:59,119 this in your life chart. Really or on the other side before I incarnated 301 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,880 into this human Really, I don't think so. Also people tell me, 302 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,200 well, you know it was a positive experience because you saw it negatively. 303 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,240 No, I don't buy it. I think that what's happening here is that 304 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,799 when you, as an individual and I understand the bigger picture, like you, 305 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:19,240 Addy and Nil, both of you, we're all the same at school 306 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:25,000 here, but we understand there is another side. We understand about elements of 307 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:30,319 consciousness of the soul, the incarnation and reincarnation procedures that appear possible, whether 308 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,920 or not the pre planning part needs to be examined. I think on a 309 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,039 larger scull, which I'm doing at the moment, and we think about people 310 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,720 saying, oh, I've planned my life chart, but I'm going to come 311 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:44,839 down in Libya, or I'm going to come down in a war torn country, 312 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,160 or going to come down in Auschwitz and go through that. So I'm 313 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,680 not so sure about that. I think we have a certain free will, 314 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:56,000 but certainly I think when we look at the phenomena in terms of what we 315 00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:00,640 are, what we represent too, it changes us. And I think this 316 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,960 phenomena is drawn to you as an individual because you are operating differently from your 317 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:10,759 fellow human beings. Because the system that we serve is quite happy to program 318 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:15,920 a public who are quite willing to have a very basic understanding of life and 319 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:21,559 death, which they want you to understand is a reality of knowledge of information. 320 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,720 And then when you look and you start digging deeper, you find that 321 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,559 our very own system that we serve is hiding something. And this is clearly 322 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,000 evident now with a lot of new information coming out and the fight, the 323 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,200 war with the pentagon, whichever way you want to perceive this reality. But 324 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,799 I think the phenomena, the real heart, the rawness of this phenomena, 325 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,319 is aware of you when you become changed, when you are touched, when 326 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,680 you're operating differently. We know about the auras, the r Ichenergy field, 327 00:24:53,680 --> 00:25:00,720 all that type of thing, and the facilitation of energy around the biolog system. 328 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:06,200 It could be that these beings are quite aware of this and want to 329 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,839 know what it is that makes you not unique because we're all unique but different, 330 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,079 and what it is that you know that they want. So I believe 331 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,799 that there is a systematic cover up which we know already, but not just 332 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,680 from our system, but also perhaps from a force that is working or aware 333 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:29,039 of this system, that is keeping these secrets. So I think when it 334 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:33,240 comes to not just the Grays, we hear of other beings. And I've 335 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:40,039 primarily focused on the break the Grays because I one had interactions with them, 336 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,480 and two because I wanted to truly establish what they were because of the levels 337 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,359 of high strangers and what they were doing to me. And as I said, 338 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,160 I'm not going to go down that road. But now I understand, 339 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,240 I think to a degree of what it was they were looking for in terms 340 00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:02,680 because we are so far removed from them, but they seem to know a 341 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,599 lot about us, but it seems like they want something that we have that 342 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,599 they can't. And I think through this self replication program or the abduction phenomena, 343 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,720 is this is why we're having this, And it's been set like, 344 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,160 oh, it's a UFO coming from another planet and they're just examining us. 345 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,559 No, it's far more complex than that, I can assure you. So 346 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,519 we could be going into things to do with the alien hybrid program and the 347 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,279 idea that I mean some people have said that they haven't even got souls and 348 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,680 what they're looking for. The missing element in terms of their own reproduction is 349 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,759 the soul element? Correct? And I address this back in nineteen and ninety 350 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,880 six in the article which was called Spirits in a Material World, which made 351 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:52,960 parallels between the abduction phenomena and closely associated with the ND and formulating this hypothesis 352 00:26:53,000 --> 00:27:00,319 that we are dealing with cloned enteritis. But I think it goes fir than 353 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,440 that with what these beings are. I think we're not perhaps seeing some type 354 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:10,319 of extra terrestrial species. I think we are seeing something far older, and 355 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,240 something that goes back into antiquity and has been able to morph and shape itself 356 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,720 accordingly within the structuring of our belief system as we go forward, within our 357 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,799 our evolution as it were, as humans. So it does run very deep, 358 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,839 and there will be people telling you that you are wrong, that this 359 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200 is what they are and this is where they come from. Well, that's 360 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,039 fine. I may be wrong, but I've always stated I'm open to all 361 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:40,319 levels of theoretical debate, but we have to be open minded. But some 362 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,279 people, unfortunately, will picture themselves into a corner and say, no, 363 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,759 this is what it is. No, we don't know, we have no 364 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:55,440 idea, but we can connect with certain patterns, with certain dots, as 365 00:27:55,559 --> 00:28:00,960 David Ike famously says, you know, connecting those dots, hmmm, talking 366 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,680 and connecting dolls. I'm drawn back to thinking of the Betty and Barney Hill 367 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:11,200 case of nineteen one, yes, which when really I think we've probaby got 368 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,799 one of the first descriptions of gray like beings. And for people that don't 369 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,359 know, they were abducted on their way back from Canada, I think they 370 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,440 gone to Niagara Falls or something like that on a holiday and they were driving 371 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:27,720 back, hoping to get back by about one o'clock to New Hampshire where they 372 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,839 lived up and instead they arrived at four o'clock. And so they thought, 373 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,000 well, where the two hours gone missing? And they they felt, and 374 00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:40,160 you talk about them in your book, they felt like they had to wash 375 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,279 and shower and things because they felt that they were abused in some way, 376 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:48,519 but they couldn't quite remember when or what exactly happened. And so it was 377 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:55,119 after some hypnosis that they discovered that the object that they were call now seeing, 378 00:28:55,599 --> 00:29:00,160 instead of flied away, actually landed, and Barney was dragged onto the 379 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,400 craft and Betty was taken on board as well, and they were put in 380 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,480 separate rooms, and they seemed to be wearing uniforms. And I think Betty 381 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,079 was something like, where do you come from? And the leaders said something 382 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,480 like and I can't remember they said if they were talking telepathy or vocally to 383 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,880 them, I can't remember that now. I don't know if you they What 384 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,640 they did was that when they spoke, there was some kind of membrane behind 385 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,599 the slight orifice that librated. It reminded Betty of fish, but she wasn't 386 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,799 too sure if there was some kind of oral communication or mental And this is 387 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,359 the thing. When you're in that experience, which I had been in, 388 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:42,759 it feels like you're talking. It feels very weird because this exchange it's not 389 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,240 like it's always like a knowing. It's not like, oh, this is 390 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,119 a new language, it's like what it's there? Yeah, that case. 391 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,000 And I know Kathleen Martin. I'm sure you know her as well. She's 392 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,519 a wonderful soul, a wonderful advocate for not only UFO research but also psychic 393 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,079 investigat and she's helped me and my brother a lot, so we have a 394 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:08,319 lot to thank her for. And her auntie and uncle a loving couple. 395 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:14,079 You know. What happened to them was very, very strange when they were 396 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,240 coming through New Hampshire. This is where Indian Head was primarily where the abduction 397 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,960 had occurred. And there were two parts to that, the viewing of UFO 398 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,759 and then of course this sense of the beeping on the car that they heard, 399 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,960 but the sense of losing time that they had. Now, what's interesting 400 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,720 if we look at that, and we have to be very open minded with 401 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,480 regards not just to the case which did happen, but open minded to you 402 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:45,359 know what really was going on if you examine that in terms of the abduction. 403 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,599 When Betty had had her examination, there was an examiner who then did 404 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,359 his investigations with Barney separately. There was a lot more that did occur that 405 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:03,279 had not been reported. The initial investigation by John G. Fuller, an 406 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:10,759 American investigator and brilliant author who wrote The Interrupted Journey. Stanton Friedman and Kathleen 407 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,319 Martin took their level to a scientific height with regards to analysis. Now, 408 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,880 what I find very strange with regards to this is, let's think of it 409 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,680 this way. You have two wonderful couples. They get abducted by gray like 410 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,680 beings. They had bowel like chests, and they wore caps, and they 411 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,720 think they had some kind of communication devices on around their heads like I'm wearing 412 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:41,799 now. And when the examiner had finished his examination of Barney, he came 413 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:45,839 into the room where Betty was with the leader, and the examiner tried to 414 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,559 remove Betty's teeth, and Betty didn't understand why the examiner was doing that, 415 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,799 And the examiner was asking why it was that Barney's teeth could be removed and 416 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:01,960 hers could not, and she had explained to the examiner that Barney wore dentist 417 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:08,960 Now, think about that these aliens had supposedly traveled all the way from Zeta 418 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:15,319 Reticuli to pick up Betty and Barney, but they were not aware of dentchers. 419 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:21,160 So is this the first time they came across a human that had dentiers? 420 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,119 And it's very bizarre, isnt it. It's very strange in terms of 421 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,000 that, So I think when you're looking at it, Betty changed her opinion 422 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:35,519 with regards to them over time. She saw it as a very constructive episode, 423 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,279 whereas if you hear the hypnosis tapes Dr Benjamin Simon did on Barney, 424 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:46,359 they are truly horrific with him recounting his experience. So yes, I suppose 425 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:52,359 in some ways it depends how you translate that experience to Betty. She was 426 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,519 very excited to be connected with these beings, and yet Barney was completely the 427 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,200 opposite. And remember also, like many abductions, they came in a dream 428 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:07,519 state, or they weren't able to recall all elements of the abduction because they're 429 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:12,720 suppressed deep within subconscious mind. Now mine I could recall straight away without any 430 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,599 problem at all, and is that possible because no one can hypnotize me or 431 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,759 aggress me. I don't know. It's just one of those things. But 432 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:23,799 that was a very interesting case and still is to this day. Hmm. 433 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:29,079 Yeah. Kathleen Marden, we should point out, is the niece of Betty 434 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,799 and Barney. Yeah, so she got to know her very well, of 435 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:36,680 course, being a family member, so she she got really a lot of 436 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920 good information directly from the source. And then she went on to become a 437 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:45,359 UFO research as you say, herself into the parallel And the thing was that 438 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:52,799 I recall about that case was that she asked, Betty asked the leader where 439 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,200 they came from, and he said something like, well, do you know 440 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,359 where you are on this star map? That's and she said, knows that 441 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:05,200 point in laning paraphrase of course, of where we are from. And she 442 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,079 recalled seeing a star map. But it is only later on some lady university 443 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:14,840 lady or something, Marjorie Fish, Marjorie Fish that's managed to construct a three 444 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,000 D model of possibly what Betty he had seen. And they, as you 445 00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:24,199 said, it was the star system as a tea. It's reticular. Is 446 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,239 it a double star system or something? Yes, it's a double binary star 447 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,239 system. Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Now what I wonder 448 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,400 about that is, you see, you know, you take it at face 449 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,039 value and think, all right, okay, a star map on board the 450 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,280 ship and stuff. Now it might have been that they had that there, 451 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,079 But I'm wondering in subsequent books, I've read that these UFOs there's small scout 452 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,559 craft and they're not part of a sleep that would go to out the space. 453 00:34:54,679 --> 00:35:00,760 They would be craft that might traverse around our world. Whether they come 454 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,800 from another dimension or not, I don't know. Maybe they do, but 455 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,559 I'm wondering, would would they be carrying star maps on their craft if they're 456 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:14,519 just you know, if any map, I would have thought they would have 457 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:17,239 a roadmap of where they're flying over. It's just one of these little things, 458 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,360 you know that you know what, I agree with you. And if 459 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,760 you look at Roswell, for instance, one of the most famous cases within 460 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,440 the Anals of yourthology, I mean, let's look at the the quite obvious 461 00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:34,000 facts, and we know that a disc and unknown object had crashed on the 462 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,719 ranch of Matt Brazil in Osweld, as it were, and this object had 463 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:46,039 scattered debris over quite a vast area of land. You know, all these 464 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:51,119 bits of debris and bits of like thin, like wafer thin light material that 465 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,880 was as hard as metal because when you bented it kind of like unbented, 466 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,159 there was no creases you could damage it. The main actual structured craft was 467 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:04,280 found much further away by the Roswell Army. Now they stated to begin with, 468 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,880 as we all know that they were, the US Army was in possession 469 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:14,360 of a disc and then of course it changed to Mogle weather balloon. Now 470 00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,559 what's interesting you have to look at certain things that people missed because the press 471 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,880 was controlled at that time by obviously higher establishments and through the army. The 472 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,320 army were taking their orders through those thing in higher command than in governance. 473 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:35,239 But if it had been a Mogle weather balloon that had crashed, it was 474 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,519 that secret that not even the army themselves knew where it was. They didn't 475 00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:42,840 even know it crashed. So you have to ask yourself the question. Hang 476 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,199 on a minute. You know, if this was an experimental weather balloon, 477 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:51,599 and you know during that time, during nineteen forty seven, you know, 478 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,760 coming out of the war as it were, I mean, that's top secret 479 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,599 stuff. You'd have a team of scientists or army officials at least it or 480 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,239 being there, but they didn't seem to know where it was. They didn't 481 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,039 even know it was around. So you can see that these lies, these 482 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:14,360 disinformation comes forward from a system that is trying to hide something of monumental importance 483 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,440 to the public and from the public for reasons that I think are not just 484 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:22,079 because it might upset or you know, scare people. I think the truth 485 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,119 was scare people, the real truth with regards to this, but not like 486 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,320 the version of oh, you know, we've got a lot of people who 487 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,840 are religious within their ideologies and it might upset the balance of the church. 488 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,880 No, no, no, no, no no, Because there's a lot 489 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:43,599 more people now who are not so attached to religious ideologies and more open minded 490 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,800 to the concept of life out there or life through there is more correct assumption 491 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,559 to be made there. So we don't really know what's going on. I 492 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:53,079 mean, you know, at the end of the day, we've got a 493 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,079 system we serve that lies to us. And I'm not just talking about yourpology. 494 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:01,519 I'm talking about the political things and everything you can think of. So 495 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,519 it's rather complicated. Whether it's infrastructure, but I harald those men and women 496 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:14,280 who are fighting for I don't think we'll get full disclosure, but fighting to 497 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,000 bring this out to the public, to tell the public Hang on just a 498 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:22,440 minute. You're telling us one minute that UFOs or now UAP's unidentified l phenomena. 499 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,000 Strangely, they changed the acronym for a subject that they didn't they don't 500 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,519 believe in, but they've made it more closer to home, haven't they. 501 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,360 And I spoke to not just Paul Sinclair, a good friend also, but 502 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,079 also Barry Fitzgerald, another brilliant researcher, and Steve Mirror, and they are 503 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,119 They made me aware of the fact that do you not realize do you not 504 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,639 understand that in terms of the UFO unidentified flying object is too spacey, But 505 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,639 now it's brought down to an identified aerial phenomena. And also it's no longer 506 00:38:54,199 --> 00:39:02,679 extraterrestrial. It is non human intelligence, non human intelligence, which is taking 507 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,559 the emphasis away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Now what's that telling us? Now 508 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:14,880 we're involved with mediumship, we're involved with understanding of communication from those who have 509 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360 crossed over. And people say, well, hang on a minute, what 510 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:22,719 difference, what differences is there between and parallels to be made also with regards 511 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,440 to psychic phenomena and new ethology. Well, I'm afraid to say is you 512 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,239 know there are close parallels to be made there, And I think this is 513 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:37,519 why the system we serve has wanted to decompartmentalize all of these subject matters so 514 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:42,039 that no researcher could put the pieces together, No one would find the truth 515 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,400 of what's going on, no one, And yet there are parallels to be 516 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,400 made with regards to these connections. And so I think we're dealing ultimately with 517 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:59,360 a force that is able to replicate itself to a degree and hidden itself with 518 00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:04,719 not just in plain sight of us, but also within our mythology and created 519 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,199 as such a mythology. So it's safe to hide behind that conditioning within the 520 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:15,519 human mind. So, yeah, it's very interesting, isn't it. What's 521 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:20,400 your idea or your notion of You probably came across this that the fact that 522 00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:23,239 the whole thing about reincarnation are when you pass over, when you go into 523 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,920 the light, it's basically like a sausage factory for souls, and you basically 524 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,400 get dumped back in a body and repeat and repeat and repeat. Well, 525 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,039 we're now coming into some really interesting grounds here and something that will suspend our 526 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:45,000 belief systems literally. And you know, I remember before I answer that question, 527 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:51,360 when I was younger, any notion of a UFO being anything other than 528 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,400 a craft coming from another planet aliens would never be entertained within my mind, 529 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,280 if you ask me. Perhaps after my that I started looking into the interdimensional 530 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,639 hypothesis, something I struggled with, but now as an accepted part of my 531 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:14,320 mind. And going forward now into your question about life after death, about 532 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,360 the continuation of the soul, of the sausage factor, I do like that 533 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,639 terminology of this false alight. Now, this is very interesting. I remembered 534 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,280 many long years ago that someone knowing me as a medium, and I'm a 535 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,559 very grounded medium, I'm a survival evidence medium. Are still with facts and 536 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:37,119 with yes and nos, and with the translation trying to understand it and as 537 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:40,519 you but you both are very much aware of anyway. I don't need to 538 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:46,000 explain that to you. But someone contacted me and said, what is this 539 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,199 all about? A false light? You know, if we go into this 540 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,719 false light, will we find ourselves being reincarnated back into the Earth? System. 541 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,000 And I said, at that point, and I'm modest and I'm black 542 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840 and white, what a load of old rubbish. I understand that the light 543 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:05,400 where we come from. But now, interestingly, when you start going into 544 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,719 research and people say another thing, I have to keep point here. How 545 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,719 do you know what you know? Where do you get your information from? 546 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,119 And these are keyboard warriors, Well, you have to dig, you have 547 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,639 to search, you have to research. It's called research. Nil you do 548 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,840 it. Until you do it, you dig. It's like on the X 549 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,159 Files when they said dig deep, mister Malder, you know you have to 550 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:38,559 dig deep. Now I understand about this whole process of incarnation and reincarnation. 551 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:42,760 I understand that it's a possibility. How it's done, we don't know. 552 00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:46,360 I've been working on a new project now, a psychic book. It's going 553 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,880 to be it's a very in depth book. And let me tell you the 554 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,159 rawness of that information and research is a rule. A lady asked me. 555 00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:00,679 Only a few nights ago. I was working with another medium called Wayne Marriott, 556 00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:06,159 and before we shared the platform to do this function for charity, one 557 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,360 lady approached me and said, may I ask you a question? And I 558 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,719 said yes, madam, what is that? She said to me, A 559 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,440 friend of mine wants to know. Is it true that we plan our journey 560 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,079 before we incarnate onto the earthplane? And I said to her, well, 561 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,599 I think to a degree we do. But I said, think of this, 562 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:29,719 and I've mentioned this before. Why would a soul, through this understanding 563 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,280 of experience, come back down to this earthplane that's so raw and savage and 564 00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:39,920 put themselves in a situation where they are in a war torn country, they 565 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,679 come from deprived families, they were connected or were linked with Auschwitz. It 566 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,039 goes on. People say they're offended. No, it's the truth. Now 567 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,800 would a soul really do that? So? Now, when I saw David 568 00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:00,639 Ike talk not long ago live, I saw him talk and he made me 569 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:07,880 laugh when he said about this whole thing about the incarnation reincarnation aspect. He 570 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,559 said, why on Earth? Well, I will use clean words here. 571 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,320 He did make me laugh. Why on Earth would I want to keep coming 572 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,239 down to this planet in a star system and a universe that we hardly know 573 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,440 anything about, that has no there doesn't seem to be an edge or border. 574 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,719 And if there is, what's at the edge of that border? And 575 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:35,679 he believes that we are as souls being tricked back into this system from the 576 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,119 soul because the world is being governed he says, and I've heard this many 577 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:46,800 times before by what we would consider to be extraterrestrials, but are actually entities 578 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:52,360 who are not of us, not part of our genus, not part of 579 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,639 our creation. And there's this been silent war going on and they feed off 580 00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,920 of us, not just feed in terms of of our physicality, but of 581 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:07,199 our energy energy vampires. And I was like, well, I've had this 582 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,559 many times before, so I need to look into this, and that's exactly 583 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,519 what I was doing. And he did show a clip rather interestingly from one 584 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:19,719 of the episodes of Star Trek. I think it was one of the Voyager 585 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:28,599 episodes where Jane Way is met by a being and it's wanting how to go 586 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,280 back through this light, and she's questioning the being and she seems to call 587 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,079 them out, as it were, that she's not going through there because she 588 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,960 knows that it is for them and not for her. So it's an interesting 589 00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:45,400 speculation. I think that it's hard enough for us to try and work out 590 00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:51,480 what we are, and this is another point in question. Can you believe 591 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,840 that we are born into a system that does not want to acknowledge these fascinating 592 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:00,679 questions, does not want to acknowledge the reality of what's going on around us. 593 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:06,079 It just wants us as a serving mechanism, biological unit with a cell 594 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:09,280 by date that does not This system does not want us to think. It 595 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:15,000 wants us to progress and naturally only for its own order, its own means. 596 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,960 To work, toil the soil, pay your taxes, don't ask any 597 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:25,800 questions. It is disgusting, and I think that the research is like yourselves 598 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,360 and myself and many other brilliant, wonderful minds, thousands of them, hundreds 599 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,360 of thousands around the world, are trying to put these pieces together to bring 600 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,639 an end to this control, to this manipulation, and let us work together 601 00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:44,440 to try and find the truth of what we are, where we come from, 602 00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:49,480 the truth of our genesis, the truth of the so called paranormal euphology, 603 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,239 cryptozoology, all these types of things. I've never understood it. Why 604 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,960 this silence, this denial, It's ridiculous, especially in the religious brutality. 605 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,840 Oh yeah, yes, we believe in God and all how Jesus and all 606 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,719 the rest of it. Sing and dance. That's all accepted. Well, 607 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,760 it's different when something is is connected with faith visident all that's all acceptable. 608 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,199 But when you're starting to bring hard evidence to the table, all they the 609 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,920 system doesn't like that, does it? Or no? I think David is 610 00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,039 right with that. And so the question is what do we do about it? 611 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,800 How can we stop this? I have an idea, go then go 612 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,719 for it. Well, you see this system that we serve, they are 613 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,880 mere puppets. Those at the top of the symbolic pyramid of power, those 614 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,800 in governance, more times than not, are working for those are the higher 615 00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:49,480 command of the social pyramid of power symbolic pyramid of power. One of the 616 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:54,880 things that these entities or these beings in control do not like is when you 617 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,960 are connected to a god source, when you are your soul, your consciousness 618 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:07,480 or your spirit is connected to a higher order. Because these entities are the 619 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,840 top know nothing of creation, they know nothing of love, They only know 620 00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:20,280 fear. And have you also kind of like clocked the fact that whenever humanity 621 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,000 seems to be lifting itself beyond this current level of where we are from this 622 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:28,800 doom and gloom, when it starts to lift itself up, they send a 623 00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:36,000 barrage of negativity or way to bring and disable human consciousness. Now, one 624 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,519 of the things that these entities these beings don't like, and they do not 625 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,519 like it at all, is creativity. And also love or a connection with 626 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:52,519 Source is something they've been denied themselves. They can't have that. And when 627 00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:57,440 you look at the abduction phenomena, it's interesting, isn't it when you talk 628 00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:01,360 of these grays and these beings and what they do to an individual, what 629 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,199 they're looking for. And as I said, there is something about us as 630 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:15,440 the primary model, the Edama, the creation that is so far removed from 631 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:21,719 them. So it's quite clear to see that they know that we are more 632 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,639 powerful with our beliefs, with our structured belief systems, with our connection to 633 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,000 Source with spirit. They know that, but they will do everything they can 634 00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:35,599 to disable that and control it. Oh, they will buy you up, 635 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,960 they'll make you a millionaire, they'll give you all the gongs available, they 636 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:45,239 will make you rich and powerful, but only for their own means. Because 637 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,320 when their means, those humans, when their means have finished and completed its 638 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:55,639 cycle here, they are fools because they will find themselves perhaps trapped within the 639 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,960 lower or the ether, the lower levels, or the astral planes. Because 640 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:07,639 these beings that are in charge or running the show, those traconians, arcns, 641 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,480 whatever gonna call them, they cannot rise to where we go. They 642 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,440 don't have that ability they have that they do not have that connection we do. 643 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:21,280 And this is why they're trying to keep us trapped in this cycle of 644 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,280 incarnation and reincarnation to bring us back again, because it's the only thing they 645 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,559 can do. So, I mean, it is theoretical, but a lot 646 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,360 of it makes absolute sense to me with what's going on. And that's just 647 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,400 another quickie here while I'm on the run here with this. Isn't it interesting? 648 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:43,320 How you know people are all too quick to say, oh no, 649 00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:45,559 no, you can't talk about that. You know, you can't, you 650 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:52,559 can't mention that. But the reality is is quite clear. We want to 651 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:58,719 know what we are, who created us, not just about Genesis, but 652 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,480 the truth of that. And if you go through history in the past once 653 00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:07,119 again, you find that a lot of the knowledge has been hidden from us. 654 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,039 And I think that people those that are not in the no, God 655 00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:13,960 loved them because everyone is important here. I don't care if you're a man 656 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,719 with the count or the king with the crown. Everyone's important. But if 657 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:23,719 those good souls were told the truth of what the UAP phenomena represented, I 658 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:30,280 think they would be completely horrified. Literally. Now, when you had your 659 00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:37,199 encounter back in eighty nine, for it, you mentioned in your book about 660 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:43,320 grays, but you also mentioned that you also thought you saw three reticilians. 661 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,440 Yes, yeah, now that's an interesting thing. So can you explain a 662 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,320 little bit about why do you think the reptilians would be working with the grays? 663 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,280 Well? Were they? I mean, this is the thing when you 664 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,440 when you get involved with the so called abduction. They the force, the 665 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,679 phenomena seems to connect very deeply within the elements of the human mind. They're 666 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:12,280 able to facilitate themselves through this way. This is why you're disabled. You're 667 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,320 not in control. They are in control. I've had some people telling me 668 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,960 and I've been insulted, telling me why the abduction occurred and what these beings 669 00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:30,039 were. All I can tell you is that when I had seen them, 670 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:39,000 that is tough. It was the it was literally horrific, the shock, 671 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:50,360 the total lack of empathy, it was just a nightmare. So to me, 672 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,559 I was just a piece of meat on a slab I had. Nothing 673 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,960 was explained to me. Then modus aparandi was not revealed. But it was 674 00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:09,280 a nightmare. And you know I've had, as I said, you enough 675 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:15,280 and people telling me all it's for your own good, insulting and then laughed 676 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,840 at because I remember when you come forward with the truth and then being invited 677 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,800 onto certain television shows. You're there to tell the truth. No, I 678 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,239 was the laughing stock, and that that you know, I'm not here for 679 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,159 sympathy. But I was also very annoyed because I thought, well, you 680 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,360 know you're looking at all, You're all looking at this completely backwards. You 681 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,119 know, the way that they people have got it pigeonholed into certain brackets. 682 00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,239 And you know all the Draconians or the archons here, and the grays here, 683 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,599 and the Reptilians are working handing claw with the grays of their ai subservient 684 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:57,079 beings. You know, Can anyone please prove this to me? Can I 685 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,920 prove what happened to myself? No? But what I can tell you is 686 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:06,800 that this has forced me, like yourselves, to look into the phenomena on 687 00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,880 varied levels of understanding. But as I said, you know, it gets 688 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,440 very difficult because you continuously get attacked because of people's structure, belief systems. 689 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,760 And I think as human beings not like the Grace because it operates they operate 690 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,119 as one hive mind consciousness, as an entity that is able to be aware 691 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:31,159 of all the information, whereas we as humans, we're very unpredictable even to 692 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,719 one another. So I think this is where the difficulties come into effect when 693 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,559 we're trying to work out what it is that we're dealing with with. But 694 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:46,679 I can tell you I think that they were inter dimensional. Their modus operandi 695 00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:52,960 was somehow connected with the origins of what we were. Andy you mentioned quite 696 00:54:53,039 --> 00:55:00,760 interestingly about the soul and Niel, the soul and consciousness, and that we 697 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:07,679 are containers for this energy, this source. So is evident that they're looking 698 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:13,480 for something that they themselves are denied or do not have themselves. And if 699 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:19,239 you think about it, I didn't see any form of reproduction or hybridization going 700 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,159 on there that is merely theoretical in nature with my understanding of that, but 701 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,360 I kept questioning, well, you know, why are the grades interested in 702 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:32,239 reproduction if they themselves cannot reproduce are they wanting to create a new genus? 703 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,519 Does this go all the way back to the fabled to a degree story of 704 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:42,599 Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and that the story has been 705 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,239 grossly distorted to other quite incredible facts that might tell us a lot un reveal 706 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:54,719 more about what really occurred back then. Yeah, it's interesting because they mentioned 707 00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:00,719 a serpent in Adam and Eve's story, and I'm very interested in that because 708 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:08,719 the idea as zacharais Dititch who talked about the the idea that the forget the 709 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,360 people now that he the race anarchy, Yeah, that's it. And the 710 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,960 planet that they are supposedly yeah, they club to all with Earth and supposedly 711 00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:25,119 they Nibru. Yeah, and it came from Mesopotamia. And the ideas that 712 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,719 the those people were the ones that are in communication with them in Asia at 713 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,079 Mesopotania which is modern day Iraq, I believe just as correct. And so 714 00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,719 yeah, I'm interested in that because it's almost like as if they they gave 715 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:44,199 them the technology and birth civilization. And this is where it later clinics up 716 00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:52,639 to the what what Zacharais Stitch talked about and what Lloyd Pie talked about was 717 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:59,599 the fact that they suggested that they took their own kind of d in a 718 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:07,920 of an anarchy and seeded it with possibly the Neanderthals to produce mankind, and 719 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,880 that's why we've got Neandthal DNA correct. And this is what he also suggested, 720 00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:17,400 was what the sightings are of Bigfoot, the Neanderthals that haven't died out, 721 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:22,679 but they've just been pushed further and further into the forests. You know, 722 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,920 they don't want to hang around humans basically, which is which is the 723 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,159 interesting thing. I mean, what's your take on any of that? Well, 724 00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:34,280 it's interesting, isn't it, Because going back to the interdimensional hypothesis, 725 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:40,119 what's curious is the fact and removing our souls slightly away from the theoretical aspect 726 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,480 of creation. And I believe that most definitely those researchers. But it's funny 727 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:49,599 how you kind of like always had those thoughts, those feelings when I was 728 00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:53,360 younger, because like you and Andy Neil, I never felt like I was 729 00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,719 part of this world and I was always questioning now in terms of Lloyd Pie 730 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:07,760 brilliant white, amazing researcher, and of course you knowsician brilliant among with many 731 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,199 other scholars. We're all there trying to put the pieces together. Now, 732 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:20,239 what's interesting if the Bigfoot or the Sasquatch as it's known in varied other circles, 733 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:27,719 was physical in terms of its origins here on earth. Well, it's 734 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,519 interesting because they normally or can mind speak with certain people. This has been 735 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:38,559 reported, and we have to be careful because do they themselves have their own 736 00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:44,880 domain, their own reality, their own dimensional, the will doorway because we 737 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:51,400 haven't found them. It's the same with the dogmen, the werewolf that is 738 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,840 truly terrifying, Like the Susquatch, the smell, the sense of timelessness, 739 00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:02,719 everything goes quiet when they're here. Are the true, truly horrific nature of 740 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,639 the encounters that people have with these beings. So it's interesting. It's possible 741 00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:14,880 that they have got some access to a hidden earth or though they are underground, 742 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,920 but I believe that perhaps there are doorways that are opened for them to 743 00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:24,039 come through. The same with a lot of victims, and I say victims 744 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:31,400 who have mysteriously disappeared at the hands of these theander trolls as they're called, 745 00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:37,800 or these Bigfoot, the ape man and literally vanished out of thin air. 746 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,880 So I think when we look at the dogmun the werewolf, the susquatch, 747 00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:50,320 there are similarities between the nature of these beings and how they communicate or connect 748 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,320 with their subjects or I would say victims. So you know, where are 749 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,719 they? Where are they all? We seem to be dealing with one part 750 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,920 physical that structures itself like you know, as if it's there, it's real. 751 01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:09,199 It smells, the fear, the way that they apparently eat their prey, 752 01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:15,199 and then they disappear like they don't exist. So you know, we 753 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:22,480 we've heard stories also within skin Walker Ranch in Utah where such episodes where where 754 01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:28,840 the these beings have been seen coming out of portals from the ground. You 755 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,760 know that this is incredible and that they just disappear and UFO seem to come 756 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:37,159 in and out also there one minute there here, the next day they disappear, 757 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,280 the same as these these crypto cryptids as they're known. Paul Sinclair has 758 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:47,199 done a lot of research brilliant men in up North in West Yorkshire around that 759 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:53,360 area Bempton, and he's had a lot of cases where these werewolves have been 760 01:00:53,440 --> 01:01:00,840 seen truly horrific and even one werewolf I remembered, I forget this. At 761 01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:06,239 one of his lectures, one were wolf that was seen and documented by some 762 01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:13,119 unfortunate souls was wearing an earring in its ear. I remember that. I 763 01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:17,119 remember. That's a weird one, isn't it. Tendy were wolves. So 764 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:23,719 when you look at this, and this is where I'm also formulating ideas within 765 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:30,639 certain levels of reality, and when you look into near death experiences or the 766 01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:37,719 other side. We know that there are astral planes and there are several layers 767 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,599 to them, and we also are creators through our mind. We create, 768 01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:47,280 so everything that's manifested within the mind can be created. So we have to 769 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:54,480 ask ourselves the question that these creations that are somehow infiltrating themselves within our reality 770 01:01:54,639 --> 01:02:00,800 found a way through to us. It's interesting, are we co creators with 771 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:07,119 them? Have we created them within our mythology and that they have become a 772 01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:10,599 reality. We don't know. And of course people will slap you down and 773 01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:16,239 say how ridiculous they are beings that obviously hide out in the meltings somewhere. 774 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:23,320 But I will say to you that the truly horrific nature of these beings, 775 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:31,079 it cannot be underestimated that when people have encountered these beings. The true nature 776 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:37,400 of fear that this is something that I have and we all know, has 777 01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:44,840 to be explained. The true nature of that fear is evident because and if 778 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:50,519 you're dealing with a species that is there for the betterment of our civilization, 779 01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:57,960 I doubt that, because you hear in multiple cases about you know, the 780 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:04,760 dreadful state of canavas being found, of people being found, that this system 781 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,400 doesn't want you to talk about bodies that have been found, that disappeared in 782 01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:13,760 mysterious circumstances and found somewhere else. I mean, this is this is not 783 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,480 suggesting to me that we're dealing with love and light or you know, species 784 01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:27,079 of extraterrestrials or hominids or dogmen. Far from it. Mm hmm yeah, 785 01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:32,320 go Andy. I was just going to say, oh man, this is 786 01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:37,639 just so deep, isn't it. It is. It's where you'll find yourself 787 01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:42,599 going very no, carry on it. I did have a question. It's 788 01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,519 gone there, Okay. Well, I was just thinking about a couple of 789 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:50,440 things. Initially one there's something else that I've family, but I think it's 790 01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:58,679 all asco Asco. Yeah, he was talking about the various frequences that the 791 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,800 ease of take place on the UFOs aside, and he thinks that they kind 792 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:10,159 of shift between frequencies of the spectrum, and this explains why you might see 793 01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:15,360 a flying source with different colors or why they're hard to photograph and appear on 794 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:20,199 film because they're shifting or phasing and out of reality, which you know, 795 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:25,559 suggests that they're Yeah, they could have traveled from a fast style system, 796 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:31,280 but they seem to be using other terms of appearing and disappearing, like like 797 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,760 light magicians. Really, that's right, yes, And Paul Asco is a 798 01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:42,239 is another good friend, lovely guy, and he had his experience as a 799 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:47,000 young lad with his father and brother or they had communication from these beings through 800 01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,159 the lights that were seen within the cloud, two of them. Now, 801 01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:57,760 with regards to this analogy, what's interesting is that if you watched films like 802 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,960 The Thing, John Carpenter, isn't ma film The Thing, and we all 803 01:05:02,039 --> 01:05:06,599 know that it was about some scientists in a frozen part of the world, 804 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:13,320 and of course they were dealing with an extraterrest or that are crashed and was 805 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,440 replicating human form, and of course it was more paranoia because they didn't know 806 01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:23,079 where it was because it was feeding off the people. Now, when you 807 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,159 look at this phenomena, when we examine it, and we also have to 808 01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:32,360 address the crashed saucer accounts, which absolutely, undeniably have happened, have occurred. 809 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,840 I'm sure of it that they have some of these bodies on ice, 810 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:44,079 But is it possible that these force or these entities, wherever they're coming from, 811 01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,840 they have to build themselves within our reality. And this is why, 812 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:53,199 interestingly, I was curious that I've mentioned this in Terrestrial Trespassers, but in 813 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:59,840 future works when we hear stories of csh retrieval programs, there is a program 814 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:04,800 through the United States of America where these crash retrieval teams are in force, 815 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,840 are in effect, and it's strange that these objects come down in remote areas. 816 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,199 My brother's even kind of like thought that was kind of strange. But 817 01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,159 even more strangers when the analysis of the said material that we hear about we 818 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:23,000 can't prove but a lot of the material is Earth based, but there's a 819 01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:28,840 small percentage which is not, and this may indicate that we are dealing with 820 01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:35,320 an intelligence far mentally advanced than we are that can actually replicate itself as it 821 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:42,000 transfers into our reality. That means it is taking the substance or the materials 822 01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:45,119 from this world and shaping it as it comes in from their reality into ours. 823 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:51,199 Now we have to create deep sea diving equipment to even just go down 824 01:06:51,239 --> 01:06:55,639 a very small level that we can reach. Because most of the ocean is 825 01:06:55,719 --> 01:07:01,360 uncharted, it's unreachable. So we have to create equipment in order to survive 826 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,000 in hospitality. In hospital, Oh, I can't get the name in the 827 01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:10,880 Thank you very much, I'm twisting my words here. Well, we all 828 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,039 have those problems. None of us are perfect environments. And if you think 829 01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:23,519 about it, these so called extraterrestrials will have to adapt them souls within our 830 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:29,280 environment. If you are, for instance, looking at completely separate but kind 831 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:34,119 of like drawing upon the powers here, the human soul, the spirit of 832 01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:43,000 man and woman that within this reality has to incarnate into a biological form in 833 01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:48,280 order to live on Gaia on Earth. So we have a container with which 834 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:56,039 to animate our souls. So I believe that this force or these forces seems 835 01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:02,199 to replicate itself within our reality, and because of this, it is able 836 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,719 to remove itself, just as quickly as it has replicated, as it goes 837 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:12,559 back out again, there is evidence left behind of this phenomena, no different 838 01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,319 from a soul leaving a body, and we have something there, you know 839 01:08:15,479 --> 01:08:19,640 that the vehicle there. So I believe that. You know, we've been 840 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:24,840 told, well, no, we've got spaceships coming from other planets. But 841 01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:29,239 I'm not so sure about that. I think more in terms of the inter 842 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:35,079 dimensional hypothesis or the hyperdimensional hypothesis, is more that we could possibly be dealing 843 01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:42,239 with. I've always found it interested in that when they look at the planets 844 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:46,720 and our solace isn't We've always had the official word from that, oh you 845 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,920 can't live on that planet is too hot, you can't live on that planet's 846 01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,640 too cold, or that one is a gas giant, and all this kind 847 01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:01,760 of stuff. And yet if there are aliens out there coming from other planets, 848 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:08,560 in theory, you could put forward the argument that NASA hasn't been telling 849 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,439 us the truth about these planets. You know, they'll they'll tell you anything, 850 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,439 but oh, yeah, there's there's aliens on there. We we spotted 851 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,880 them with our probes. No, they're not going to tell you that anybody, 852 01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:24,960 I mean word for it. Yeah, they had this I forget the 853 01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:29,439 report now that was published by this stink tank before NASA kind of got going, 854 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,399 and they said, look, should you discover alien life or extraterrestrial stuff 855 01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:38,159 out that you should keep it from the public. And so, really, 856 01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,399 when NASA does start send or has start sending out probes and things around to 857 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,239 various planets Venus, Mars, et cetera, et cetera, how do we 858 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,520 know that they're telling us the truth about those planets? You know, there 859 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,920 are too much radiation, that they're too hot there, whatever it is. 860 01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:57,039 And yet these you know, people say, well, you can can't get 861 01:09:57,079 --> 01:10:00,079 from there to here. You know, they may not be coming twenty million 862 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:05,119 light years or something from wherever they could be just come in and in our 863 01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:10,119 terms of traveling, it's literally just over the road from our point of view. 864 01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:14,039 Yes, it takes us maybe a year to get a probe to say 865 01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,279 Venus or Mars or wherever it may be, because we're going at our rocket 866 01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:20,119 speed. For these craft that can zip like that, they could be here 867 01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:24,880 within ten minutes or something. I'm sure. Yes, So I think that, 868 01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:29,439 you know, we've got a lot of people have been blindfolded about that 869 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,159 possibility they could be on the planets with our own. So, in fact, 870 01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,640 going back, you know, maybe eighty years, so people always assumed, 871 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:42,399 oh, that guy that crashed in to the thing, he's someone from 872 01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,680 Mars, or they're from Venus or something like that. They used to believe 873 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,760 that, and they never It was only until NASA started to come along and 874 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,760 change our viewpoint about those planets. And that's why we suddenly think, well, 875 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,520 where there can't be anything such as flying sources or aliens, because there's 876 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,920 no way they can get from there to here, when in fact they could 877 01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:03,159 be literally coming through our own solar system. Well, I mean, the 878 01:11:03,239 --> 01:11:08,640 Moon is one suspect, isn't it. And Mars, well, NASA, 879 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,279 as we all know, never a straight answer. I mean, if you 880 01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:14,960 had the Moon landings and they've actually taped over the original Moon landing, what 881 01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:18,359 does that tell you for a historic moment in time for our human species. 882 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:25,000 I think there's a lot of question marks that indicate that the even the Space 883 01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:29,960 Administration have been lyned to us. They are absolutely at pains to ensure that, 884 01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:32,560 oh, yes, we have a system rather like Earth, but by 885 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,720 the way, it's too far away for us to worry about every single time 886 01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:44,119 they contradict themselves, and it is true I agree with you Neil and Andy 887 01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:47,359 here because we don't know what's out there. We are told one thing, 888 01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:53,640 we don't have the money or the means to go up there ourselves. And 889 01:11:53,800 --> 01:12:00,039 these space administrations are also controlled by military factions now, and they are told 890 01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:03,840 to do what they have to do and say what they have to say. 891 01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:11,039 So there is every possibility to assume that this phenomena is far closer to us 892 01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,319 than we have been led to believe. There's been no official inquiry, no 893 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:23,600 real official aquiry that has succeeded in actually proving what we are dealing with, 894 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,680 not one, not one of them, none of them. In fact, 895 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,239 we keep going around in circles every single time. And this is where the 896 01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:38,039 proof of in the Pudding is because if you're not wanting to address a phenomena 897 01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:42,840 that is being reported and recorded on film, by the way, not just 898 01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:47,159 radar, we've dealt with all that before, but on film, this tells 899 01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:54,079 us categorically that we are dealing with the phenomena that goes beyond the level of 900 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:57,840 what we have been led to believe it is. And I think this now 901 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,800 opens up a can of worms, and the system that we're serving is getting 902 01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,239 very worried because there's a lot of important individuals who are now coming forward, 903 01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:13,960 not just David Grush, who is a very high senior official within military establishments, 904 01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:19,239 but also other people, you know, like Ross Couthart and he emailed 905 01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:23,079 me a few times. Ross Cuthlart, he's the author of in Plain Sight, 906 01:13:23,159 --> 01:13:27,720 and he's been fighting for this disclosure. And you can see that it's 907 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:32,880 so hidden within these private corporate companies, corporate private companies who are hiding this 908 01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:39,399 technology. They have no right to do that because that belongs to all of 909 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,199 us. You know, who do these people think they are that they have 910 01:13:42,359 --> 01:13:45,600 exclusive rights to the phenomena and that you don't, and that turn the other 911 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:51,920 way. There's nothing to see here. And even we have arguments stating, 912 01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:57,079 oh, you know, we the UFOs we're seeing now because of our own 913 01:13:57,399 --> 01:14:04,239 technology, back engineer technolog technology from alien hardware. Rubbish, absolute poppycock. 914 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:09,319 I think if that was the case, then we would have an entire legion 915 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:14,159 of these crafts that would be seen by even people with telescopes, with even 916 01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,159 a normal telescope, you know, out in space, which you can use. 917 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,479 So I believe there's been a huge cover up, and I agree with 918 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,880 a lot of other researchers that we are being hoodwinked into the belief. And 919 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:30,079 this is what they do. They create confusion. They want no transparency to 920 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:33,079 anything. They love that those at the top, because they know that they 921 01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:40,359 can turn one person against another and create all this division and confusion. That's 922 01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:44,640 how they want it. They don't want any transparency, and they hate people 923 01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:48,039 who are wanting to dig for that truth or look for that truth. So, 924 01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:51,199 yes, it's a you're absolutely right now. It could be right right 925 01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:55,880 above us. Have you heard of this concept that they actually want to build 926 01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:00,680 railways on the moon? No? I didn't hear that. No, apparently 927 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,039 that's in the news recently. There's players to put railways up there. My 928 01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:09,239 prediction is they'll keep delaying it and delaying it and delaying it and delaying it, 929 01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:14,920 and it will probably never happen like AGS two, exactly exactly that. 930 01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:17,560 I mean, let's put it this way. I mean, isn't it strange 931 01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:26,359 to know that we had allegedly gone to the moon in nineteen sixty nine and 932 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:31,279 we're finding enormous problems now to get that technology back again in order to make 933 01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:36,880 the same journey. And even these rockets sort have been sent there, I 934 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,520 don't think we're getting the real information sent back to us. It's the same 935 01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,520 with mass, with the Sidonial region, and Professor Richard Hogland and many other 936 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:51,000 researchers you know, who have studied not just the moon landings but also these 937 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:58,359 other areas of interest, and the system that we serve slams down hard on 938 01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,119 them. I remembered I think it was a program I watched. I can't 939 01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:04,079 remember what it was called, and there was a person who was going around 940 01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:14,560 the Space Museum and the person was questioning the size of the entrance and exit 941 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,399 of where the astronauts came out of one of the Apollo crafts. And they 942 01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,560 said, well, you know, if they've had their suits on, there 943 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:25,000 would be not there wouldn't be enough room for their backpack to get through there. 944 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,279 And of course they were told to go away basically, and they didn't 945 01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:35,119 want to answer the question. So this is another area that's nasty because you 946 01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:41,399 will not get any clear statements or answers. The only things you'll get is 947 01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,880 the official narrative, and not the one that you're questioning. So the best 948 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,199 thing to do with anything is to question everything that comes your way, look 949 01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:55,199 into it. Don't just go along with the official narrative. You'll have to 950 01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:59,680 find your answers. Because the way I'm seeing it is that you know, 951 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:05,359 this been a lot of lies that's been implemented and a divide because these these 952 01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:12,159 these echelons, these dragons at the top that control the puppets, their their 953 01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:16,800 their puppets that we see as our masters here. I mean that they just 954 01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:23,039 revel in destruction, They revel in no transparency, they revel in no creativity. 955 01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:24,920 If you look at the world that we're in at the moment, has 956 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,800 there been any real progress? You know, No, it's just all about 957 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,359 money, and it's disgusting, and you know, I just think that we 958 01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,600 are living in a backward society and that we could do so much more to 959 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:43,039 enhance living conditions and bring peace to people, because you know, ultimately that's 960 01:17:43,119 --> 01:17:48,000 what I would like to see, truth and peace and people helping one another 961 01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:54,439 to in to enrich and enhance our lives, to make it something so beautiful 962 01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:59,319 and amazing. But no, this system chooses to not do that, and 963 01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:05,359 it's it's hard breaking that what we live in Philip is basically clown world. 964 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:11,359 Yes, not these toy land for me, Yes, I like that. 965 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,079 I love that that has that has humanly somewhat gentlemen when we look at it 966 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,439 like and I always say, not these toy land. I mean, it's 967 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:26,760 ridiculous if you listen to the radio advertisements sometimes when you get all childlike adverts 968 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,880 and I said this to a family member, childlike adverse and then you get 969 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,920 something so depressing like illnesses or or you know, all these other things that's 970 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:41,239 to designed to bring you down. You know, there's that there's nothing really 971 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,720 to suggest that anything good is happening in the world. When it is happening, 972 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,239 the good is happening in the world, but the system will not want 973 01:18:47,279 --> 01:18:53,760 to report it because they do not want people to rise their consciousness above and 974 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,600 beyond the level of the way that this system has programmed our consciousness. And 975 01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,760 this is what it's all about. Believe it's a war, a silent war, 976 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:05,199 and I believe that a psychic one as well, most definitely a psychic 977 01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:13,000 war that deals with a lot about our ability as a species and our brilliance 978 01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:18,199 are excellence and how the system is utilizing every method at its disposal, disposal 979 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:25,720 to destroy to subjugate the message because there's too many of us and they're finding 980 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,600 trying to find different ways of doing that. So yeah, it's a crime 981 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,239 shame. When I get back on the other side, I'm going to get 982 01:19:31,239 --> 01:19:40,079 a refund getting back to the moonlanding slightly, because that's always of interesting me 983 01:19:40,119 --> 01:19:44,840 anyway, and Andy as well. If you actually listen to the commentary of 984 01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,960 Neil Armstrong on the first moonland he's obviously the first guy that comes down the 985 01:19:49,079 --> 01:19:54,000 ladder and he's walking about, and then it's buzz Alding the second one that 986 01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:57,800 comes down the ladder. And as he's coming down the ladder, you actually 987 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:01,159 hear Neil Armstrong instructing buzzle in where to put his hands, where to put 988 01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:03,279 his feet, says, you come down here on the next wrong of the 989 01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:05,720 ladder. Now come down the next one. Now come down the next one. 990 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:10,319 And you'd think, oh my god, you know this guy. The 991 01:20:10,399 --> 01:20:14,319 way it sounds as if buzz Aldron has never come down a lunar lander before. 992 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,439 You know, he doesn't know where but exactly he's he must have done 993 01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:23,760 it a hundred times in training surely he knows his feet, so why would 994 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,840 he need Neil Armstrong to help him come down the ladder. I just found 995 01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,319 that as a bizarre thing. You know, Well, there's a lot of 996 01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:33,520 anonymonees with regards to that, and you will have people who will slam you 997 01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:40,159 and tell you that the official narrative you. But my question is where was 998 01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:46,039 the camera that was filming Neil Armstrong coming down the ladder when he made contact, 999 01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:50,920 because there's pictures of him coming down the ladder for the first time, 1000 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:56,680 and did he run out about the zmera that No, that was fixed to 1001 01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,279 the leg. There was a small camera that was fixed to one of the 1002 01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:05,079 legs pointing towards the ladder, which is that camera? But all the lighting 1003 01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:08,720 was all odd, wasn't it? Or the all the rest of it, 1004 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,920 Well, pos's on the moon or something. Yeah, and the shadows were 1005 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,880 a little bit off. There's so many things I've thought about that. I've 1006 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,520 got my own theories about that myself, and you know, I think there's, 1007 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,800 to be honest, with a lot of stuff there that doesn't make any 1008 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,399 sense whatsoever. But you know, we have to turn to attention and nod 1009 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,520 and agree that it all happened, that it's all normal, and that there 1010 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,640 was nothing really fishy about it at all. And of course you know, 1011 01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,800 but you know, we weren't born yesterday, were we And if it was, 1012 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,359 Yeah, if it was such a historical moment, why would you wipe 1013 01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:48,520 over the original tapes? Well, that's that's right, Yeah, to record 1014 01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:55,079 I Love Lucy or something. We basically read how all these other lunar landers 1015 01:21:55,079 --> 01:22:00,920 they've sent a small robotic grunt and they get there and they file they tip 1016 01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:05,560 over or you know, they've had two in the last couple of months that 1017 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:12,279 have tipped over. Yet supposedly the lunar module managed to make it down each 1018 01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,239 time without tipping over, and that's because we had men on board control in 1019 01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:21,640 it. I'm sure that we're going to find Donald Trump on there waving his 1020 01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:28,079 happy flag. God love him, God bless him, and so he'll just 1021 01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:30,520 spill the beans. What I love about that guy is that he just he 1022 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,359 just says it as it is. And I know, I know that he 1023 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:40,239 knows what's going on. He knows, and that's why they do not want 1024 01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:44,720 him in power. Whichever way you see him. That Draconians don't want him 1025 01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,199 in power. And if you look at this when he was president, every 1026 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:54,840 single day they were trying to bring him down all the time. Do you 1027 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,159 find that with Biden no warmonger? Did you find that with Bush a warmonger? 1028 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:05,840 Even even when Biden sniff's children's hair and inappropriate things, the media are 1029 01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:11,039 like, oh, poor Biden, he isn't the saying silly things. And 1030 01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:15,000 then Trump make gaffes and it's all the more seriously, Well, you know 1031 01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:17,279 why don't you Because they don't want him in because he is not one of 1032 01:23:17,399 --> 01:23:21,640 them. He's not working or operating on their level of their narrative. That's 1033 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:26,600 that's the reason why. Well, I was supposed to be politically neutral. 1034 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,600 I mean, we're not politically nuture Neil, But what I want to say 1035 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,399 to anyone American is, don't vote communist. Okay, and the people of 1036 01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,680 Britain, actually, because we've got our own elections coming up, don't vote 1037 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,680 communist. We all know that the tour is a crap and we will over. 1038 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,680 The Republicans are pretty crapped as well, but don't go for what's even 1039 01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:49,079 worse, which is communism. I Labor and the Democrat Party, who do 1040 01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:53,960 we vote for? Then this is problem, isn't it. I mean the 1041 01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,800 nearest I can come to in terms of anything that's that's half saying in the 1042 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,640 UK would be refined form. They're not perfect, but they're hand of a 1043 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:06,039 lot better than labor label will be a car crash label will destroy this country. 1044 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:14,039 I mean their idea of kind of solving them immigration issue is basically opened. 1045 01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:16,159 All the builders and all the liberals look tap and cheering. Isn't it 1046 01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:18,840 wonderful? And what I would say to the liberals is, if you have 1047 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,079 a house party, okay, do you just leave your front door open for 1048 01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,119 anyone to come in and know? You don't if you go to a nightclub 1049 01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:28,880 which you just get rid of security, get rid of the dorm and just 1050 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,920 let anyone here know. I've got an idea. Why don't you ask Gary 1051 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,479 Linecan to open up his house and let them go and live with her. 1052 01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:39,159 I would love I was sure he'd like that. Garry, if you're listening, 1053 01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:43,319 mate, open your house up and just open your front door, get 1054 01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:45,000 rid of all your locks, and just let anyone here that's absolutely use his 1055 01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:51,239 money to help them, Just let us. George Clooney two story George Clooney 1056 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,840 who's a little bit of a liptid. Let's face it. He had a 1057 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,920 house in Italy apparently, and he was all pro migration and pro bringing. 1058 01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:03,680 Everyone in his house got absolutely ransacked and he sold it and fled Italy. 1059 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:12,640 So there we are. Well, I think it's to desobnize our country and 1060 01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:17,960 to destroy and there is there. I think that there is intent, not 1061 01:25:18,199 --> 01:25:24,920 so much behind the puppet puppets who take the orders from their masters. They 1062 01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,119 are awarded and as I said, they get their gongs and their riches and 1063 01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:30,239 they just leave the scene. And it's those at the top. But what 1064 01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:34,199 we have to do is we have to work together to try and resolve this 1065 01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:39,800 problem. To understand that this system is dividing people against people. They're doing 1066 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,359 it all the time. We want world peace, we want everyone to get 1067 01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:45,600 on. You believe in that. You're quite happy to do that as long 1068 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,840 as you're not harming us. But no, the system is wanting to destroy 1069 01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:54,199 and turn people against each other. That is what's really going on. They 1070 01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:58,199 want to destabilize the structured system that we have, and there is a plan 1071 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,319 to do that. I don't get what anyone towers. Alex Jones had an 1072 01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:06,239 interesting concept because whatever people think of Alex Janes and Elon Musk, I think 1073 01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:10,640 Elon Musk was I know, maybe slightly on the dark side, but maybe 1074 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,359 it's flipped and gone light. But anyway, they come up with a concept, 1075 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,399 and Alex Jones says, it's not really about left and right, it's 1076 01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:24,880 about pro human or anti human And I'm the same. I don't care about 1077 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,840 political parties. I don't care about left or right. I don't care about 1078 01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:34,960 Republicans or Democrats or label Tories. What I care about is pro humanity or 1079 01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:42,640 anti humanity. Is the party bringing in policies that help people or destroy people 1080 01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:47,600 destroying? What to do? It isn't interesting. We've got billions billions to 1081 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:53,159 give to war, missiles, killing, construction, murder. Suddenly, oh 1082 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:57,319 there's no money for people with starving kids or children. There's no money to 1083 01:26:57,399 --> 01:27:00,920 help the homeless. We haven't got any money for struggling families who can barely 1084 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,640 pay their bills, so we're out of money. Oh here youukray have billions 1085 01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,199 to spend on. Walk over it. And do you know what they are 1086 01:27:09,399 --> 01:27:13,359 evil? I don't want to tell you. They are pure evil. They 1087 01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:17,720 are working towards an agenda, a plan, They have their instructions and whoever 1088 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:23,239 gets in eventually will be got to them. Because that does a lot for 1089 01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:27,039 some people, especially about the awards and gongs to make them rich. They 1090 01:27:27,079 --> 01:27:30,439 can clear off and live their life somewhere where no one's going to bother them. 1091 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:33,479 But be very careful because what you send out you'll get back. And 1092 01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:38,399 I don't care what people say. You know, this isn't the end here. 1093 01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,399 They can't take it with them, and you know you really want to 1094 01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:44,319 sell yourself on that level. I don't know. I would never want to 1095 01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:46,039 do that. I know whose side I'm on I can assure you of. 1096 01:27:46,119 --> 01:27:53,000 That is the freemakers who have the motto order out of chaos auto ab kaoe. 1097 01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,039 That's right. Yeah, he's getting back to David I kind of stuff 1098 01:27:57,079 --> 01:28:00,359 where it could be reptilian's control in the world through the politics of war and 1099 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:05,880 stuff like that. Maybe, yeah, I would say whatever the label, 1100 01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:13,920 I would say darkness in other words, pure evil. So whether they're Degmons 1101 01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:16,640 or whether they're Archons, or whether they're Repattalians, or whether they're dre Co's 1102 01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:23,560 or whether they're whatever, just a dark force that takes humanity and hates this 1103 01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:28,199 planet, and what the label is doesn't really matter. And that's what we're 1104 01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,199 against. And that is what all the governments are serving. That's what the 1105 01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:33,520 highest politicians, most of them, not all of them, most of are 1106 01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,600 serving. It's what the institutions are serving. And you're right, Philip, 1107 01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:43,319 it's all about divisions. So whether it's old versus young, black versus white, 1108 01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,439 trans versus non trans, gay versus straight, male versus female, toxic 1109 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,600 masculinity versus whatever, all of that, it's division, division, division, 1110 01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,640 division, division. And what David Ike says is get rid of the labels. 1111 01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,079 Let's unite as one. Yes, And it is to do with a 1112 01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:04,319 genetic structuring as well with our species. They want to counsel out the creation 1113 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:09,800 of God's creation, if you want to call it God, God's creation, 1114 01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:14,600 the source. And I believe that's why it goes much much deeper that people 1115 01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,439 will never really be able to comprehend, because you, like anyone, you 1116 01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:24,399 have to do your research and you start putting the pieces together and you'll find 1117 01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:29,119 that this thing is absolutely huge. It's not just a tiny piece that we 1118 01:29:29,239 --> 01:29:31,199 put in a box of the UFO covering from another planet. There is so 1119 01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,399 much more that has the connections linked not just to that, but many other 1120 01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,920 facets interlinked with it, you know, and you'll find a lot of the 1121 01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,119 problems are far closer at home here than what's really gone out there. It's 1122 01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:48,199 all happening here, and people really need to wake up to this because you 1123 01:29:48,279 --> 01:29:51,600 know, you can bury your head in the sand for a while. But 1124 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:59,000 there's two really disturbing things with all this. Number One, the rich elites 1125 01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:02,399 are abandoned. A lot of them are battling American built oh yes, underground 1126 01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:09,199 bank. Number two, where this is pushing towards they want to push towards 1127 01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:15,199 World War three. And we've got the Democrat Party talking about in quotations limited 1128 01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:20,319 nuclear strikes. There is no such thing as a limited nuclear strike. If 1129 01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:26,359 you have a limited nuclear strike where it involves Russia or China, the entire 1130 01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:30,000 world will ignite. End of story. And at the end of it, 1131 01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,319 too many people. That's how they say it. Yeah, exactly that, 1132 01:30:33,039 --> 01:30:38,520 exactly that and the stupidity of it. So imagine you're a rich elitist and 1133 01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,399 you're and you've got your bunker and you're and World War three is going on, 1134 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,960 and you're you're clapping and cheering, and is it wonderful? Mankind is 1135 01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,760 going to be destroyed? Okay? What now? Okay, so after a 1136 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,600 year all your food supplies are gone, you pop up the bunk out of 1137 01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:57,199 the bunker. There's nothing left, mate, where's your food supply? Now, 1138 01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:01,399 where's your crops? Now? There's psychopaths. Don't think they're psychopaths. 1139 01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,640 They don't. They don't think about that. And anyway, their their substructures 1140 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:10,720 are supposed to be absolutely incredibly enormous and we'll be able to last them for 1141 01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,760 decades. But I wouldn't want to live in that environment. I'm sorry, 1142 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,239 I couldn't. I'd rather be out on the top and go with it quickly 1143 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,680 and deal with it that way, and go and get a refund. And 1144 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:26,640 then they asked them what on earth was that all about? Yeah, the 1145 01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:31,279 problems with these elites is they are a mixture of rich and stupid. Somebody 1146 01:31:31,399 --> 01:31:38,399 like Justin Trudeau, that smug faced minstrel clown. You look at his face, 1147 01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:44,399 this little smug communist face. He is rich and stupid. He's an 1148 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,880 idiot. And the trouble is is not just him, it's all and they're 1149 01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,399 all in lockstep. So if you take you justin Trudeau, you're Joe Biden, 1150 01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:56,079 Your hums are yusef and you're just into a derned. They're all having 1151 01:31:56,199 --> 01:32:00,680 the same shitty communist policies all at the same time. Time. Well, 1152 01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,760 it's all about destruction and freedom of speech, it's all about wokeism and liberal 1153 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,399 stupidity, all at the same time, all bringing this in. And are 1154 01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:10,840 we supposed to say, oh, it's just a coincidence. It's just a 1155 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:15,159 coincidence that at the same time Europe's borders are being invaded by people, let's 1156 01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:19,079 face it, hate Europe and hate the Anglo society. At the same time 1157 01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:23,960 that this is happening in America, they're also being invaded by half of Latin 1158 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:29,680 America coming in, hamming at their borders wanting you know, benefits and housing, 1159 01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:34,439 aren't they Yeah, they're getting busted Neil. And I know what's funny 1160 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:41,039 is that when I think it's the Florida governor that busts some of the immigrants 1161 01:32:41,159 --> 01:32:45,760 up to kind of Democrat areas in Cape Cod and New York and suddenly the 1162 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,000 Democrats were, well, not here, we don't want it here. As 1163 01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:51,079 long as they're down south, they're nowhere near us. You can see what 1164 01:32:51,239 --> 01:32:57,279 they're doing. They are dividing, they are destroying, and they are it 1165 01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,359 is. It is the most evil thing that anyone can ever do. But 1166 01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:05,119 I wouldn't worry too much about that, because even though we're going to have 1167 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:09,079 to try and deal with most of the chaos here, at the end of 1168 01:33:09,119 --> 01:33:12,199 the day, I can assure you that we will be liberated, and not 1169 01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:15,920 on this level, and that they themselves would have created their own prisons. 1170 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,159 They think they are serving their lord and master. Well, all that they 1171 01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:24,960 will have is darkness and terror, and we will have a very different existence. 1172 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,960 Yeah. You know, it would be great if you had like a 1173 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:32,079 little collection of islands and all the little rich elitists and all the idiots and 1174 01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:36,119 all the smug faced minstrels and the communists, and they could all just go 1175 01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:40,560 and live on these little islands and piss off out of it and just leave 1176 01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,640 left. That'd be great, and then we can rebuild a utopia there should 1177 01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:49,720 have been. Yes, So this is it for I think that I think 1178 01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:55,119 that this world, this planet, this earth, should be heaven. We 1179 01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:58,399 should be heaven, we should have a heavenly society. And I think that 1180 01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,520 is what life was supposed to be about, and it got hijacked. You 1181 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,399 have got it, You've got it right on the now. The system has 1182 01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:11,279 been hijacked. And what's happened is that we are to suffer through a system 1183 01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:18,319 that is operating on another intelligences blueprint of their agenda. But don't worry. 1184 01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:23,720 There are higher forces and we are part of that. And something they can 1185 01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,840 never have there falls even if they try to destroy every part of us in 1186 01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:31,600 the physical here, they can't because we're connected to source and they are not. 1187 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,720 And that is the big difference. So it doesn't bother me at all. 1188 01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:39,359 It bothers me what's happening that I have my faith and my conviction. 1189 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,840 In fact, I know that there is another side, so it doesn't bother 1190 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,479 me. So nuclear war then, and so now it's over. It's a 1191 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:53,880 bob for the weather. Interestingly, have you heard this, Nail and Philip? 1192 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,439 Interestingly, and I can't remember where I heard this from, that some 1193 01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:03,000 of the good guy Aliens connections seem to say that if mankind ever did really 1194 01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:06,640 go down the route of pressing the big red button for the nuclears, the 1195 01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:11,159 UFOs or the good eats would turn up and try and I don't believe it. 1196 01:35:11,399 --> 01:35:15,600 I don't believe it. So we could have the possibility of wiping out 1197 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,239 life on this planet, and that'scorrect. No, I don't believe. Why 1198 01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:21,439 would the good guys really sit back and just watch that? No, well, 1199 01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,840 where are they? Where is their help? Have we had any help 1200 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,039 from them? But then there's the free realishue. No, I don't believe 1201 01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:34,159 they have messed about with nuclear weapons in the silos and haven't they. Yeah, 1202 01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:39,520 well, Robert, I'm just fallous if they were that concern for us 1203 01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,760 on a level of hierarchy, and please people say, oh they've signed some 1204 01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,960 disclosure cospic galactic thing. What a load of old rubbish. They could have 1205 01:35:47,079 --> 01:35:51,359 helped us, They could have assisted us in some level to some degree, 1206 01:35:51,399 --> 01:35:56,399 But we are left alone. And I don't believe that we will be rescued 1207 01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:00,960 by anything or anyone. I will if that's the case of be coming in 1208 01:36:00,079 --> 01:36:03,279 now, If they're starting to see that World War three is going to happen, 1209 01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:09,039 nobody here trying to stop that. So I believe that the phenomena the 1210 01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:12,159 force. No, I think that we would be left to our own devices, 1211 01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,119 and if it happens, it happens. I would like to believe that 1212 01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:18,279 there would be some mess ascension and that these crafts come to save us. 1213 01:36:18,359 --> 01:36:23,199 But it's never happened in World War two, never happened in World War One, 1214 01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:28,399 happened in any of the major disasters across the world ever that we know 1215 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,920 of. So no, I don't believe that they seem to take part in 1216 01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:35,159 wars though, don't they But they're not necessarily in the sense. Also, 1217 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:40,439 yeah, they observed in it. Yeah, like the fighters, they've never 1218 01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:44,039 stopped it. They're just allowed to carry on. Yeah, Yeah, they 1219 01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:45,920 take part in it, observed, And I think they take it rich pickings. 1220 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,960 I mean, I've heard of a case. Whether it's true or not, 1221 01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:51,159 I don't know that. I thought it was an interesting story that these 1222 01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:59,840 these Vietnam US soldiers were going through jungle in Vietnam. Oh, yes, 1223 01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:03,880 early affeculties, and they came across some grays as I pick up human body 1224 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:09,399 parts or something from some battle for whatever reason they wanted to do. Maybe 1225 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:15,039 they're just tidening it up. I don't know. But is that the case 1226 01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:17,680 that you were thinking of? The liver? Is it? My was the 1227 01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:23,159 upturned aircraft that was discovered in a jungle, and they found all the bodies 1228 01:37:23,319 --> 01:37:30,800 of the crew strapped and all the esophagus pulled out and their name tags or 1229 01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:35,119 you know, almost like the human mutilation that was found all the way back 1230 01:37:35,159 --> 01:37:39,880 in Vietnam. I think it was. I think it was Jazz Vietnam. 1231 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,279 I think it was then, or there's something like that. And that was 1232 01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,079 an account that was registered and recorded. But of course the system was served 1233 01:37:45,079 --> 01:37:47,960 to stop want people to know about that. You're not allowed to mention anything 1234 01:37:48,039 --> 01:37:51,640 of it, that it was gray or aliens tied to that in any way. 1235 01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:58,279 Well, the craft, the aircraft, the plane itself was literally like 1236 01:37:58,399 --> 01:38:01,800 it had been turned upside stopped, turned upside down and gently placed within a 1237 01:38:03,279 --> 01:38:10,119 deeply forested area impossible, so implaced by something. And when they found the 1238 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:17,600 body's terrible state. And of course the Vietnam War neil this, and Philip 1239 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,840 you might be aware of this. It's come out that actually the Gulf of 1240 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:29,239 Tonkin incident, which was supposedly like a Vietnamese government communist forces attacks like a 1241 01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:31,479 US naval ship that never actually happened. That's come out in the hues. 1242 01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:38,399 So the whole thing is based on CI aperration something like that, a bit 1243 01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,920 like the Weapons of Best Destruction with Iraq. But what I was going to 1244 01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,800 say, Neil, have you heard of this one in terms of why night 1245 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:50,159 vision goggles are green? And this relates to the Vietnam War And it goes 1246 01:38:50,199 --> 01:38:54,920 a bit spooky and wooky about this, haven't you? But I don't remember 1247 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,479 what it was meant I could like it. So it would make more sense 1248 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:04,520 for night vision goggles to be red based, because I lert this in cadets 1249 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:09,640 many years ago, is that when you're out and about, the red red 1250 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,800 kind of preserves your night vision, whereas green. If you look at something 1251 01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,800 green and then look away, you're kind of like you eys will have to 1252 01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,119 adjust where you don't really get that if you've got like a red torch. 1253 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:25,159 So when they've been using night vision, and that's been around for quite some 1254 01:39:25,359 --> 01:39:28,039 time, believe it or not. The Second World War, they have night 1255 01:39:28,119 --> 01:39:31,920 vision scopes, the huge great things on rifles, but they kind of like 1256 01:39:32,319 --> 01:39:36,920 decided to experiment with different colors just to see how troops got on with these 1257 01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,520 different colors. So they went with green, they went with yellow, they 1258 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:45,600 went with red, and they went with blue. There's a bit of feedback 1259 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:49,800 going. I don't know where that's coming from. Sounds like a lightsabers. 1260 01:39:50,119 --> 01:39:55,800 Now though, I realized that my laptop is very low of juice, and 1261 01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,439 if I plug it in, it's to make this sound, and I'm just 1262 01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,039 I'm just going to I think it's was kind of about to cut out right, 1263 01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,039 We're ran it out of it. So yeah, basically, there was 1264 01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:11,920 They were testing out lots of different like colors for night vision during the Vietnam 1265 01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:15,840 era, and they discovered when they were using red, the helicopter pilots were 1266 01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:20,359 going crazy and the gunners were shooting at things that they said were kind of 1267 01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:27,319 like demons with wings flapping around. Uh and and for some reason they kept 1268 01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:30,880 seeing these demons and then they they take the goggles off and there's nothing there. 1269 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,239 They put them on, and the demons were there, and they had 1270 01:40:32,279 --> 01:40:36,600 these gunners shooting these these demons. When they switched to green. This is 1271 01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:41,279 interesting. When they switched to green, the demons disappeared, but then they 1272 01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:45,600 started seeing UFOs, which is why sometimes when you see UFO documentaries and they're 1273 01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:49,560 using green night vision sometimes they kind of so whether it's the fact that they're 1274 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:54,439 on infrared level or something. I don't know, but it's very weird. 1275 01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,479 Okay, thanks Andy, I think we better wrap it up there because Philip's 1276 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:04,560 going to lot of the guys well these. I realized that I hadn't got 1277 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:10,039 my I charged the computer, and I realized when I thought I had it 1278 01:41:10,119 --> 01:41:15,920 plugged in, there's the power switches off, so the lead was not But 1279 01:41:15,039 --> 01:41:19,079 of course that's why Neil, you said you can't hear anything because that's working 1280 01:41:19,159 --> 01:41:24,119 with no power lead in. But I am just about to it's just about 1281 01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:28,920 to die on me, and I'm like, well, thank you very much 1282 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,359 indeed for joining us. Philip kinsella All of Terrestrial Test Busses, which is 1283 01:41:32,399 --> 01:41:36,680 available on Amazon, and people can buy your book from Amazon and other leading 1284 01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:41,720 bookshops. And you're working in another book at the moment. Yes, yes, 1285 01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,159 I'm working on a new book. That's a spiritual book that looks at 1286 01:41:45,279 --> 01:41:53,000 the creation hypothesis, the incarnation, reincarnation, and also the avatar elevated souls 1287 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:58,880 that come in, but also questioning a lot about the functioning of the spiritual 1288 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:05,000 body, the second body that we occupy within this form, and of course 1289 01:42:05,159 --> 01:42:11,840 as well as the negative influencers that have a profound effect upon us as within 1290 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,920 this and of course in the past of spot sees. I'm working on that 1291 01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:17,079 one at the moment. Excellent, all right, and you're also the host 1292 01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:20,800 of Twin Souls of your brother Ronnie, so look out for that in the 1293 01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:25,840 Paranoral UK Radio Network. So like, thank you Philip for your time and 1294 01:42:26,119 --> 01:42:30,159 join us next month on the Paranormal UK Radio Network with the Paranormal Peep Show. 1295 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:32,720 So it's good night for myself Neil, and good night for Andy. 1296 01:42:33,119 --> 01:43:15,319 See later, take care, cheero, good night. You're listening to the 1297 01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:19,880 Paranormal UK Radio Network, number one for paranormal topics in the UK.