You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show for this April edition.
So I'm your host Neil Ward, with my fellow host Andy Chaplin.
Andy, how are you good to see you? Hello, Neil, how
are you doing. I'm fine. I've been really busy today. I've been
busy writing my book. So I think I've told you. I've already got
a book in the pilot plumb which is going to be published in November,
which is called True Tales of the Paranoral. But I'm now working on the
next one, which is Unexplained Modern Mysteries, And so I'm covering at the
moment a chapter on Bigfoot. So I've been reuching all into the origins of
Bigfoot, where it came from. And the fact is a Bigfoot doesn't just
exist in North America. What we believe is Bigfoot exists all around the world,
which is in his disperent names like the I think they call it,
well they call it in Australia that the Yowie, I think it's called as
the ol Mass and in various sizes. In different parts of the United States,
they call it the skunk. Then that's because it smells so bad.
And that's the common description of the bigfoot. Yes, yeah, and sasquatches
the Canadian Native American Canadian term given to it. So in Canada you tend
to hear the word sasquatch, and in Northern America they tend to call it
bigfoot. A bottable snow canon man is the one that comes from the Himalayas.
And the reason it's called a bonnomball is a mistranslation that they called it
a terrible something or other and the man mistranslated as abominable, and so that's
how been cav of avolinable snowman. And with that, it doesn't necessarily live
in the high glacier mountains. It tends to be spotted crossing over valleys and
its normally mountaineers are high up on the mountains can look down and see it.
The bottable snow is actually further down into the valley and it crosses over
into valleys where it can get, you know, to sources of food.
Basically, it doesn't live high in the mountains, so it's too cold and
there'll be nothing up there for it basically talking about abominable and terrible In Canada,
When do the canadi Jeans get a chance to vote out communist dictator Justin
Trudeau, the worldly honorable dictator? Yeah? How years? Almnths? They
have to endure that? Utter twat? Is it? Every five years they
have a general election? UK four year, isn't it? And America's four
years? I think so, I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, I
think I think the most of the UK you can take it up to five
years, but most general elections come around every four years. If if the
government of the day thinks that they've got a good chance of winning, they
call an early general action while things are a little bit sweeter and hopefully capitalize
on that popular thing as if it's all done fair and square, of course,
which probably won't be, because that's what communists do. Yeah. I
know, you've got a little bit of a space thing going on with your
shirt, is that? Yeah? So commemorations eclipse do we do marks allen
on her? I'm not sure. This was bought for me and it's very
add because it's got space stars and comets and things like that, and every
now and again I wear it because I think, ow, I do like
this shirt, and I've got a NASA shirt as well with a little astronaut
on it. And I actually for Easter, I got an Easter egg with
an astronaut on it, so it was all very space theme. But I've
always loved space and science fiction. So yeah, if we do another Apollo
Detectives, please wear the NASA T shirt because I will Arcus and the Tears
and it'll be great fun. I will. So what have you been up
to? Then? Mostly work actually, so sorting out signs and things.
There's there's something extra that we're doing with Tuned in Events. So we used
to be doing kind of one to one readings and then we bolted on demos
to that. We're now bolting on foods to the whole thing, and we're
creating psychic suppers now so people can kind of sit down, eat a meal,
have mediums come to them, do readings and then like a bit of
a show as well. So if anyone's in the South East of England area,
have a look at tuned in Events and it will be on Facebook and
Instagram and tuned with the d in Events and we're doing all sorts of really
similar to Philip. I see sometimes see Philip's posters kind of flashing up.
Philip Kinsello our guest coming up soon with the various psychic things that he gets
up to as well. So I'm sure at some point we'll work together.
I hope we'll do something together. Well, let's welcome Philips. As we've
mentioned Philip, So our guest today is Philip Kinsella, and he has his
own show with his brother Roddy called The Twin Souls on the parah and UK
Radio network. And Philip is an author of many UFO and paranormal books,
and he also happens to be a Clairvoyd Mean as well, so he's got
many strings to his bow. And we're going to be talking about his latest
book, which I do have in front of me, which is called Terrestrial
Trespasses. So welcome Philip. Are you there? Hello Philip? Yes,
Hello, Andy and Neil. Very honored to be back on your show again.
I'm very delighted, thank you, thank you for joining us once again.
Philip. So how are you? First of all, well, I
started the year off not too good. I ended up in hospital and had
an illness for just under three months. So it's been quite a struggle for
me. They thought first of all that I had fractured my spine, but
it was linked with muscular and also another problem to my next So the beginning
of this year was not very good. So there's always hope that things will
improve. Let's put it that way. Yeah, yeah, that you did
with it or sprained it or help. Well, yeah, I was taking
my sister's dog for a walk and she baulted. It wasn't the dog's fault,
but that pulled everything out literally, And of course Neil and I have
spoken about some other family gruesome things that have occurred with him and family there.
So we're recovering. So I'm working on that now. So at least
I know what the major problems that I've had before in the past, so
you know, we all get these knocks. I've got nothing really to complain
about because that's incidental compared to what some people go through. Yeah, well,
as I'll tell him for I think I told you this, and I'm
not sure, but my brother at the beginning of the year suffered a major
leotic aneurism. He's only eighteen months old than me, and an autic aneurysm
is where your archery from the heart splits literally in two and all the blood
palls inside you and it can be failed to able. Did you have the
alchie felt you, Neil? I really don't know. I suspect he probably
did, but he was in hospital and there's only like a twenty percent survival
rate if they can get you to hospital, because most people like my mom
and dad sadly died from it. I mean, my dad got to hospital
but they said sorry, there's nothing we can do for it, and he
sadly passed away. And my mom just sort of passed away that night at
home in twenty sixteen, very suddenly, and of course we didn't know what
it was at the time. But they managed to get my brother to hospital,
and initially they were going to turn him away, but his wife insisted
that they look further and thank god, she's dead. So that's when they
discovered the problem and he was then taken to another hospital and he was literally
saying goodbyes to everybody because he thought this is it, I'm sort of thing,
and he had the operation and he was kept in a coma for six
days whilst he recovered, and he wasn't expected to survive. But the irony
was the bitter pill to swallow, was that whilst he was asleep in the
coma, his own father in law, his wife's father, was suddenly rushed
to hospital and he died of a stroke whilst my brother was in the coma.
So he woke up sort of six days later thinking how is everybody?
Where is everybody? And he found out his father in law had passed away
whilst he was in the coma, which is a shocking thing, a terrible
start for you know, it's very sad, and so I have nothing to
complain about. I'm still alive and on this side of life, I haven't
been abducted, so that's I suppose that's a very good thing to acknowledge.
But I'm sorry for all of us because a lot of people have gone through
really difficult times. But we're here to cheer things up and you know,
and to keep going forward. That's all we can do, isn't it.
We're here to talk about wonderful visitors that pop in the night called the Grays,
which is the subject of your latest book for it, which is called
if I can bring into focus there, I'll probably put it's it's the terrestrial
test passes, the Grays abductions, and areas of high strangeness. Now,
it's interesting not this book for him. I was. I was actually trying
to work it out because you got a forward by Peter Robbins, who we've
interviewed on the show at weld Hat, but you've also got an introduction,
and I was trying to work out what's the difference between a forward and in
an introduction. Is there a difference? Not really, No, it's just
a polite way of not putting prologue or you know, forward too many times.
I think it's nice when you have the endorsement of some really cool authors
out there. I mean, yeah, we've all gone down that road at
some point. And I was very honored. Peter I've known for many long
years, for a very long time, and you know, we're not going
to get involved with the Renders problem, the issue that he had. And
he's a good sweet men, he's brilliant, he knows all of the top
euthologists, he knows his stuff, and you know, he couldn't help being
pulled into something that he believed actually was real. So that's another story.
But I was so pleased and grateful also for the authors to endorse that project.
It was a hard project to write, I have to say. And
with any book, as you know, Neil and Andy as well, you
know, with regards to your future endeavors, you know you'll always have the
good, the bad, and the ugly, and the people that don't like
what you're writing, or they they've got an opinion, which is important as
long as it's constructive. But this is what we find within the annals of
yourthology. There is great divide. And of course, as you know,
both of you know that, like yourselves, I'm very grounded, very to
the point, and very open also to all forms of speculation. But I've
had people telling me where the Grays come from, what they called even the
Reptilians of their even the name of their high command, and I just lose
the plot. I think it's hard enough trying to establish exactly what we're dealing
with on an empirical level of conscious awareness. And this is something I think
that a lot of people out there have their own ideas. Where do you
draw the line? Where is that distinction between fact and fantasy? And this
is where we're trying to draw those parallels. The phenomena is real. It
exists, absolutely, but not quite the way I think that the system that
we serve has sold it to us. I said to Neil earlier, I
think there's more to this than just the nuts and bolts aspect with it,
Philip, what's your issues to do with the rendoltion thing? Because funny enough,
actually somebody has invited me to go on a Rendalsham night watch. Is
that advisable or not? Well? In large groups, sometimes is good,
but it doesn't always work. Rendalshim is interesting, and I think for all
of us, I always say that we're all important. When you start going
down the rabbit hole with this, you start to find yourself in cases of
synchronicity and levels of high strangeness. I remembered with regards to Renderlsham, when
I was young, and I remember the story breaking out in the News of
the World. I think it was on the front page of the News of
the World and it said its official UFO lands in Suffolk or something like that.
Well, anyway, I remembered I was in a field, in a
field of all places, as a kid reading this newspaper. I got a
copy of it and found that fascinating and then fast forward, you know,
a number of years, and then finding myself meeting Peter Robbins and then going
to Rendershom because he said, you need to go there because there's still a
lot of activity happening there. And of course I didn't understand what Peter was
talking about. We all all knew about the nineteen eighty event with Colonel Charles
Holt and the American military. And I've met me and Ronnie have met Colonel
Holt, and he's an esteem gentleman, very grounded. We had a meal
with him, and he's sharp as a knife. And what he said was
that thing that they saw was not from this world. And would you believe
it that when we started to explore the forest the area of Rendlesham, I
then met Brenda Butler purely by well, I wouldn't say, by chance,
through synchronicity, and that we ended up co authoring a book together called Skycrash.
Throughout time, and people didn't want to know about that. They only
wanted to know about the nineteen eighty event that was celebrated because it had been
an experience that was linked with military guys. But when we did our research,
we established a lot of other reports and phenomena that happened to us,
also, even to the point of summoning a UFO on the eighth of June
nineteen ninety eight at ten fifteen pm at night, that occurred in the field
called Cappel Green and that is documented. But no one, no, no,
we don't want to know. We were not interested. And I think
this is where we're missing key elements, key points to this, because this
is a big problem. But it reminded me a lot of the difficulties that
we have with many other subject matters, mediumship claire voyds laugh after death.
So yeah, Rendilsham had played a huge part, but unfortunately I suffered with
the onslaught of many other people, individuals who did not want me to talk
about this, or it's just one of those things. I suppose they don't
want you gate crashing on someone else's territory when you go to this. So
who is it that you would say, Philip, that's kind of not wanting
you to speak up on this. Are we talking men in black? Are
we talking like UFO groups that are quite cliquey, or well, certain individuals
I won't name here, but certainly I think this destroys a lot of what
you're trying to achieve, especially where other researchers are concerned. It's rather like
Roswell. I mean, I've never been to Roswell, but I do know
that there's been a lot of controversy, especially when you researchers come in and
they voice their opinion, their theoretical opinion on that. And so you'll find
this with a lot of cases. And within yourpology, you have the love
and light, and you have those who stand on the side of what we're
dealing with negative energies, entities, and I have been trying to establish the
truth like yourselves, in what we're actually dealing with, and it's just incredible.
It's like anything really in life. Whatever you do, whatever you write,
you'll be attacked for it, but you just have to be steadfast and
very very grounded with it and trying to open up all these areas of investigation.
But I will tell you that the things that have happened to me that
doesn't make me unique have categorically not just within UFOs or alien intrusion, but
also the psychic component categorically tells me that we are dealing with elements of inter
dimensional contact and that whatever they are, wherever they're coming from in terms of
UFOs or even in cryptozoology. Neil and I were talking about that the dogmen
wear wolf sasquatch, whatever you want to call it, these nightmarish creatures.
If you can tell me what are they're hanging around? And I'd like to
go down and have a word with it, because where are they getting drunk?
So why did you decide to focus on the grays? All the reported
alien abductions are the Grays obviously make a They're kind of like the most common.
Was that part of the reason why you wanted to write about them particularly?
Well, I've been very interested in our origins as a species. And
when you, as you both know, when you've been touched by this singularity
in a number of times, majorly very close, you're left with questions.
And I think we live by a system that we serve that has lied to
us. In reference to the Grays, I mean, I've had telling people
telling me all the grays have deserted, they scattered off. Now how do
they know that? You know, who? Where did they get this information
from? In fact, what we do know about the Grays is that they
lie more times than not to their subjects when there has been an abduction that's
been initiated. The Grays interested me because I had an experience back in nineteen
eighty nine which changed my concept of reality, and there was a part to
that experience, one physical one non physical, that seemed to open up some
kind of awareness with regards to what the Grays may be now after the experience
that I had that was very raw and savage and embarrassing that I'm not going
to go to go on about here, because you know, but another researcher
found some amazing parallels between what my brother had done on the physical part on
what a gray had done. At the last part of my experience, the
gray seemed to be mimicking what my brother had been doing. So this kind
of like led me. After the experience in nineteen eighty nine, after I
had the marks and the trauma in nineteen ninety six, I had the only
time that I could recall was some kind of download. I remembered us at
work, and all of a sudden, it was a feeling like my mind
had literally opened. And I'm not privy to anything that's subjectively ridiculous, but
there again, you know, how can you guard yourself against what I'm just
about to say. It was like my mind had opened up and I had
this imigh this knowledge immediately coming into my head about the Grays and what they
could possibly represent on a theoretical level. And I remember that I literally typed
the whole thing up, sent it to Alien Encounters magazine, which was a
big magazine at the time, and they published it and they said that it
was revolutionary within its speculation because the Grays, I was because I had experienced
a few of them as well as dare I said, the reptilians. But
now we're making new headwere and understanding this phenomena seems to interconnect with other entities.
And I'm not going down that road with who knows what and their high
command or what position they have, I have no idea. But with regards
to the Grays, I was wondering why it was that a species that cannot
themselves reproduce, almost like a cloned unit, was interested in the aspect of
reproduction, and not only that, but how they were able to infiltrate our
reality through solid structures. Now, when I started looking into this and I
had this download, the download was more or less explaining that these creatures,
these beings, whatever you want to call them, these denizens operate on a
level very much like the near death experience. When you have someone who has
died and reports going to the other side through to a light, communicating with
loved ones through telepathic exchange, a sense of timelessness, and if there is
uh something that's occurred to their physical body through illness, that they've just left
a lot of times when they've returned back from the dead back to their body,
they're healed. Now, when you take an abduction, when someone is
forcibly taken, the beings themselves normally knock out anyone around them or distort their
reality. Then they bring that individual into their spatial reality. There is a
sense of timelessness, and there is a sense of communication on a telepathic level
and implants and also failed enmeshed within the body. Once the the you know,
the experiences has completed its cycle. Now, when you have an ear
death experience, the person will most notably always remember their encounter because I think
that was that's a natural process of the body and the consciousness, the soul
of the spirit removing itself from the vehicle in a forced episode in terms of
abduction, I think that when the individual is being taken primarily from their normal
processing of information through the brain and into that reality, there's some kind of
wipeout with memory exchange. And it's no different than an astronaut that says that
when they're outside the strategy of the world, when they remove themselves they're in
space, there's a difference, there's some kind of did they feel differently about
the whole thing? So I was looking at the Grays in terms of some
kind of cloned entity that was perhaps not able to reproduce, perhaps species that's
outside the field of our reproduction through creation creation, creationalism, and that they're
interested in us as a reproductive specie because they cannot have what we have.
And this has led me to new ideas now recently about what possibly we could
be dealing with of gouds. Do these grays as it were, so back
in eighteen nine, you had your experience, and now you've got Liker,
a good who forty years plus of reading and similar leople things as your original
experience kind of now as it matured in the sense of you can't I've got
a really good handle on what's happened, or as a battling thing we look
back at him. No, I have no idea. Pierce mac another and
I'm sure you know him anyway, he was able to connect two paths to
that. And that's why I say to anyone who has an abduction or an
experience, to please tell the truth. Remain grounded, however far fetched it
may seem. Remember this is back in nineteen eighty nine, and when this
occurred to me, the trauma of it still. I wouldn't say it's a
parent today, but I'm still left with question marks. I've had people telling
me, oh, you know, it's an experience. You know you wrote
this in your life chart. Really or on the other side before I incarnated
into this human Really, I don't think so. Also people tell me,
well, you know it was a positive experience because you saw it negatively.
No, I don't buy it. I think that what's happening here is that
when you, as an individual and I understand the bigger picture, like you,
Addy and Nil, both of you, we're all the same at school
here, but we understand there is another side. We understand about elements of
consciousness of the soul, the incarnation and reincarnation procedures that appear possible, whether
or not the pre planning part needs to be examined. I think on a
larger scull, which I'm doing at the moment, and we think about people
saying, oh, I've planned my life chart, but I'm going to come
down in Libya, or I'm going to come down in a war torn country,
or going to come down in Auschwitz and go through that. So I'm
not so sure about that. I think we have a certain free will,
but certainly I think when we look at the phenomena in terms of what we
are, what we represent too, it changes us. And I think this
phenomena is drawn to you as an individual because you are operating differently from your
fellow human beings. Because the system that we serve is quite happy to program
a public who are quite willing to have a very basic understanding of life and
death, which they want you to understand is a reality of knowledge of information.
And then when you look and you start digging deeper, you find that
our very own system that we serve is hiding something. And this is clearly
evident now with a lot of new information coming out and the fight, the
war with the pentagon, whichever way you want to perceive this reality. But
I think the phenomena, the real heart, the rawness of this phenomena,
is aware of you when you become changed, when you are touched, when
you're operating differently. We know about the auras, the r Ichenergy field,
all that type of thing, and the facilitation of energy around the biolog system.
It could be that these beings are quite aware of this and want to
know what it is that makes you not unique because we're all unique but different,
and what it is that you know that they want. So I believe
that there is a systematic cover up which we know already, but not just
from our system, but also perhaps from a force that is working or aware
of this system, that is keeping these secrets. So I think when it
comes to not just the Grays, we hear of other beings. And I've
primarily focused on the break the Grays because I one had interactions with them,
and two because I wanted to truly establish what they were because of the levels
of high strangers and what they were doing to me. And as I said,
I'm not going to go down that road. But now I understand,
I think to a degree of what it was they were looking for in terms
because we are so far removed from them, but they seem to know a
lot about us, but it seems like they want something that we have that
they can't. And I think through this self replication program or the abduction phenomena,
is this is why we're having this, And it's been set like,
oh, it's a UFO coming from another planet and they're just examining us.
No, it's far more complex than that, I can assure you. So
we could be going into things to do with the alien hybrid program and the
idea that I mean some people have said that they haven't even got souls and
what they're looking for. The missing element in terms of their own reproduction is
the soul element? Correct? And I address this back in nineteen and ninety
six in the article which was called Spirits in a Material World, which made
parallels between the abduction phenomena and closely associated with the ND and formulating this hypothesis
that we are dealing with cloned enteritis. But I think it goes fir than
that with what these beings are. I think we're not perhaps seeing some type
of extra terrestrial species. I think we are seeing something far older, and
something that goes back into antiquity and has been able to morph and shape itself
accordingly within the structuring of our belief system as we go forward, within our
our evolution as it were, as humans. So it does run very deep,
and there will be people telling you that you are wrong, that this
is what they are and this is where they come from. Well, that's
fine. I may be wrong, but I've always stated I'm open to all
levels of theoretical debate, but we have to be open minded. But some
people, unfortunately, will picture themselves into a corner and say, no,
this is what it is. No, we don't know, we have no
idea, but we can connect with certain patterns, with certain dots, as
David Ike famously says, you know, connecting those dots, hmmm, talking
and connecting dolls. I'm drawn back to thinking of the Betty and Barney Hill
case of nineteen one, yes, which when really I think we've probaby got
one of the first descriptions of gray like beings. And for people that don't
know, they were abducted on their way back from Canada, I think they
gone to Niagara Falls or something like that on a holiday and they were driving
back, hoping to get back by about one o'clock to New Hampshire where they
lived up and instead they arrived at four o'clock. And so they thought,
well, where the two hours gone missing? And they they felt, and
you talk about them in your book, they felt like they had to wash
and shower and things because they felt that they were abused in some way,
but they couldn't quite remember when or what exactly happened. And so it was
after some hypnosis that they discovered that the object that they were call now seeing,
instead of flied away, actually landed, and Barney was dragged onto the
craft and Betty was taken on board as well, and they were put in
separate rooms, and they seemed to be wearing uniforms. And I think Betty
was something like, where do you come from? And the leaders said something
like and I can't remember they said if they were talking telepathy or vocally to
them, I can't remember that now. I don't know if you they What
they did was that when they spoke, there was some kind of membrane behind
the slight orifice that librated. It reminded Betty of fish, but she wasn't
too sure if there was some kind of oral communication or mental And this is
the thing. When you're in that experience, which I had been in,
it feels like you're talking. It feels very weird because this exchange it's not
like it's always like a knowing. It's not like, oh, this is
a new language, it's like what it's there? Yeah, that case.
And I know Kathleen Martin. I'm sure you know her as well. She's
a wonderful soul, a wonderful advocate for not only UFO research but also psychic
investigat and she's helped me and my brother a lot, so we have a
lot to thank her for. And her auntie and uncle a loving couple.
You know. What happened to them was very, very strange when they were
coming through New Hampshire. This is where Indian Head was primarily where the abduction
had occurred. And there were two parts to that, the viewing of UFO
and then of course this sense of the beeping on the car that they heard,
but the sense of losing time that they had. Now, what's interesting
if we look at that, and we have to be very open minded with
regards not just to the case which did happen, but open minded to you
know what really was going on if you examine that in terms of the abduction.
When Betty had had her examination, there was an examiner who then did
his investigations with Barney separately. There was a lot more that did occur that
had not been reported. The initial investigation by John G. Fuller, an
American investigator and brilliant author who wrote The Interrupted Journey. Stanton Friedman and Kathleen
Martin took their level to a scientific height with regards to analysis. Now,
what I find very strange with regards to this is, let's think of it
this way. You have two wonderful couples. They get abducted by gray like
beings. They had bowel like chests, and they wore caps, and they
think they had some kind of communication devices on around their heads like I'm wearing
now. And when the examiner had finished his examination of Barney, he came
into the room where Betty was with the leader, and the examiner tried to
remove Betty's teeth, and Betty didn't understand why the examiner was doing that,
And the examiner was asking why it was that Barney's teeth could be removed and
hers could not, and she had explained to the examiner that Barney wore dentist
Now, think about that these aliens had supposedly traveled all the way from Zeta
Reticuli to pick up Betty and Barney, but they were not aware of dentchers.
So is this the first time they came across a human that had dentiers?
And it's very bizarre, isnt it. It's very strange in terms of
that, So I think when you're looking at it, Betty changed her opinion
with regards to them over time. She saw it as a very constructive episode,
whereas if you hear the hypnosis tapes Dr Benjamin Simon did on Barney,
they are truly horrific with him recounting his experience. So yes, I suppose
in some ways it depends how you translate that experience to Betty. She was
very excited to be connected with these beings, and yet Barney was completely the
opposite. And remember also, like many abductions, they came in a dream
state, or they weren't able to recall all elements of the abduction because they're
suppressed deep within subconscious mind. Now mine I could recall straight away without any
problem at all, and is that possible because no one can hypnotize me or
aggress me. I don't know. It's just one of those things. But
that was a very interesting case and still is to this day. Hmm.
Yeah. Kathleen Marden, we should point out, is the niece of Betty
and Barney. Yeah, so she got to know her very well, of
course, being a family member, so she she got really a lot of
good information directly from the source. And then she went on to become a
UFO research as you say, herself into the parallel And the thing was that
I recall about that case was that she asked, Betty asked the leader where
they came from, and he said something like, well, do you know
where you are on this star map? That's and she said, knows that
point in laning paraphrase of course, of where we are from. And she
recalled seeing a star map. But it is only later on some lady university
lady or something, Marjorie Fish, Marjorie Fish that's managed to construct a three
D model of possibly what Betty he had seen. And they, as you
said, it was the star system as a tea. It's reticular. Is
it a double star system or something? Yes, it's a double binary star
system. Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Now what I wonder
about that is, you see, you know, you take it at face
value and think, all right, okay, a star map on board the
ship and stuff. Now it might have been that they had that there,
But I'm wondering in subsequent books, I've read that these UFOs there's small scout
craft and they're not part of a sleep that would go to out the space.
They would be craft that might traverse around our world. Whether they come
from another dimension or not, I don't know. Maybe they do, but
I'm wondering, would would they be carrying star maps on their craft if they're
just you know, if any map, I would have thought they would have
a roadmap of where they're flying over. It's just one of these little things,
you know that you know what, I agree with you. And if
you look at Roswell, for instance, one of the most famous cases within
the Anals of yourthology, I mean, let's look at the the quite obvious
facts, and we know that a disc and unknown object had crashed on the
ranch of Matt Brazil in Osweld, as it were, and this object had
scattered debris over quite a vast area of land. You know, all these
bits of debris and bits of like thin, like wafer thin light material that
was as hard as metal because when you bented it kind of like unbented,
there was no creases you could damage it. The main actual structured craft was
found much further away by the Roswell Army. Now they stated to begin with,
as we all know that they were, the US Army was in possession
of a disc and then of course it changed to Mogle weather balloon. Now
what's interesting you have to look at certain things that people missed because the press
was controlled at that time by obviously higher establishments and through the army. The
army were taking their orders through those thing in higher command than in governance.
But if it had been a Mogle weather balloon that had crashed, it was
that secret that not even the army themselves knew where it was. They didn't
even know it crashed. So you have to ask yourself the question. Hang
on a minute. You know, if this was an experimental weather balloon,
and you know during that time, during nineteen forty seven, you know,
coming out of the war as it were, I mean, that's top secret
stuff. You'd have a team of scientists or army officials at least it or
being there, but they didn't seem to know where it was. They didn't
even know it was around. So you can see that these lies, these
disinformation comes forward from a system that is trying to hide something of monumental importance
to the public and from the public for reasons that I think are not just
because it might upset or you know, scare people. I think the truth
was scare people, the real truth with regards to this, but not like
the version of oh, you know, we've got a lot of people who
are religious within their ideologies and it might upset the balance of the church.
No, no, no, no, no no, Because there's a lot
more people now who are not so attached to religious ideologies and more open minded
to the concept of life out there or life through there is more correct assumption
to be made there. So we don't really know what's going on. I
mean, you know, at the end of the day, we've got a
system we serve that lies to us. And I'm not just talking about yourpology.
I'm talking about the political things and everything you can think of. So
it's rather complicated. Whether it's infrastructure, but I harald those men and women
who are fighting for I don't think we'll get full disclosure, but fighting to
bring this out to the public, to tell the public Hang on just a
minute. You're telling us one minute that UFOs or now UAP's unidentified l phenomena.
Strangely, they changed the acronym for a subject that they didn't they don't
believe in, but they've made it more closer to home, haven't they.
And I spoke to not just Paul Sinclair, a good friend also, but
also Barry Fitzgerald, another brilliant researcher, and Steve Mirror, and they are
They made me aware of the fact that do you not realize do you not
understand that in terms of the UFO unidentified flying object is too spacey, But
now it's brought down to an identified aerial phenomena. And also it's no longer
extraterrestrial. It is non human intelligence, non human intelligence, which is taking
the emphasis away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Now what's that telling us? Now
we're involved with mediumship, we're involved with understanding of communication from those who have
crossed over. And people say, well, hang on a minute, what
difference, what differences is there between and parallels to be made also with regards
to psychic phenomena and new ethology. Well, I'm afraid to say is you
know there are close parallels to be made there, And I think this is
why the system we serve has wanted to decompartmentalize all of these subject matters so
that no researcher could put the pieces together, No one would find the truth
of what's going on, no one, And yet there are parallels to be
made with regards to these connections. And so I think we're dealing ultimately with
a force that is able to replicate itself to a degree and hidden itself with
not just in plain sight of us, but also within our mythology and created
as such a mythology. So it's safe to hide behind that conditioning within the
human mind. So, yeah, it's very interesting, isn't it. What's
your idea or your notion of You probably came across this that the fact that
the whole thing about reincarnation are when you pass over, when you go into
the light, it's basically like a sausage factory for souls, and you basically
get dumped back in a body and repeat and repeat and repeat. Well,
we're now coming into some really interesting grounds here and something that will suspend our
belief systems literally. And you know, I remember before I answer that question,
when I was younger, any notion of a UFO being anything other than
a craft coming from another planet aliens would never be entertained within my mind,
if you ask me. Perhaps after my that I started looking into the interdimensional
hypothesis, something I struggled with, but now as an accepted part of my
mind. And going forward now into your question about life after death, about
the continuation of the soul, of the sausage factor, I do like that
terminology of this false alight. Now, this is very interesting. I remembered
many long years ago that someone knowing me as a medium, and I'm a
very grounded medium, I'm a survival evidence medium. Are still with facts and
with yes and nos, and with the translation trying to understand it and as
you but you both are very much aware of anyway. I don't need to
explain that to you. But someone contacted me and said, what is this
all about? A false light? You know, if we go into this
false light, will we find ourselves being reincarnated back into the Earth? System.
And I said, at that point, and I'm modest and I'm black
and white, what a load of old rubbish. I understand that the light
where we come from. But now, interestingly, when you start going into
research and people say another thing, I have to keep point here. How
do you know what you know? Where do you get your information from?
And these are keyboard warriors, Well, you have to dig, you have
to search, you have to research. It's called research. Nil you do
it. Until you do it, you dig. It's like on the X
Files when they said dig deep, mister Malder, you know you have to
dig deep. Now I understand about this whole process of incarnation and reincarnation.
I understand that it's a possibility. How it's done, we don't know.
I've been working on a new project now, a psychic book. It's going
to be it's a very in depth book. And let me tell you the
rawness of that information and research is a rule. A lady asked me.
Only a few nights ago. I was working with another medium called Wayne Marriott,
and before we shared the platform to do this function for charity, one
lady approached me and said, may I ask you a question? And I
said yes, madam, what is that? She said to me, A
friend of mine wants to know. Is it true that we plan our journey
before we incarnate onto the earthplane? And I said to her, well,
I think to a degree we do. But I said, think of this,
and I've mentioned this before. Why would a soul, through this understanding
of experience, come back down to this earthplane that's so raw and savage and
put themselves in a situation where they are in a war torn country, they
come from deprived families, they were connected or were linked with Auschwitz. It
goes on. People say they're offended. No, it's the truth. Now
would a soul really do that? So? Now, when I saw David
Ike talk not long ago live, I saw him talk and he made me
laugh when he said about this whole thing about the incarnation reincarnation aspect. He
said, why on Earth? Well, I will use clean words here.
He did make me laugh. Why on Earth would I want to keep coming
down to this planet in a star system and a universe that we hardly know
anything about, that has no there doesn't seem to be an edge or border.
And if there is, what's at the edge of that border? And
he believes that we are as souls being tricked back into this system from the
soul because the world is being governed he says, and I've heard this many
times before by what we would consider to be extraterrestrials, but are actually entities
who are not of us, not part of our genus, not part of
our creation. And there's this been silent war going on and they feed off
of us, not just feed in terms of of our physicality, but of
our energy energy vampires. And I was like, well, I've had this
many times before, so I need to look into this, and that's exactly
what I was doing. And he did show a clip rather interestingly from one
of the episodes of Star Trek. I think it was one of the Voyager
episodes where Jane Way is met by a being and it's wanting how to go
back through this light, and she's questioning the being and she seems to call
them out, as it were, that she's not going through there because she
knows that it is for them and not for her. So it's an interesting
speculation. I think that it's hard enough for us to try and work out
what we are, and this is another point in question. Can you believe
that we are born into a system that does not want to acknowledge these fascinating
questions, does not want to acknowledge the reality of what's going on around us.
It just wants us as a serving mechanism, biological unit with a cell
by date that does not This system does not want us to think. It
wants us to progress and naturally only for its own order, its own means.
To work, toil the soil, pay your taxes, don't ask any
questions. It is disgusting, and I think that the research is like yourselves
and myself and many other brilliant, wonderful minds, thousands of them, hundreds
of thousands around the world, are trying to put these pieces together to bring
an end to this control, to this manipulation, and let us work together
to try and find the truth of what we are, where we come from,
the truth of our genesis, the truth of the so called paranormal euphology,
cryptozoology, all these types of things. I've never understood it. Why
this silence, this denial, It's ridiculous, especially in the religious brutality.
Oh yeah, yes, we believe in God and all how Jesus and all
the rest of it. Sing and dance. That's all accepted. Well,
it's different when something is is connected with faith visident all that's all acceptable.
But when you're starting to bring hard evidence to the table, all they the
system doesn't like that, does it? Or no? I think David is
right with that. And so the question is what do we do about it?
How can we stop this? I have an idea, go then go
for it. Well, you see this system that we serve, they are
mere puppets. Those at the top of the symbolic pyramid of power, those
in governance, more times than not, are working for those are the higher
command of the social pyramid of power symbolic pyramid of power. One of the
things that these entities or these beings in control do not like is when you
are connected to a god source, when you are your soul, your consciousness
or your spirit is connected to a higher order. Because these entities are the
top know nothing of creation, they know nothing of love, They only know
fear. And have you also kind of like clocked the fact that whenever humanity
seems to be lifting itself beyond this current level of where we are from this
doom and gloom, when it starts to lift itself up, they send a
barrage of negativity or way to bring and disable human consciousness. Now, one
of the things that these entities these beings don't like, and they do not
like it at all, is creativity. And also love or a connection with
Source is something they've been denied themselves. They can't have that. And when
you look at the abduction phenomena, it's interesting, isn't it when you talk
of these grays and these beings and what they do to an individual, what
they're looking for. And as I said, there is something about us as
the primary model, the Edama, the creation that is so far removed from
them. So it's quite clear to see that they know that we are more
powerful with our beliefs, with our structured belief systems, with our connection to
Source with spirit. They know that, but they will do everything they can
to disable that and control it. Oh, they will buy you up,
they'll make you a millionaire, they'll give you all the gongs available, they
will make you rich and powerful, but only for their own means. Because
when their means, those humans, when their means have finished and completed its
cycle here, they are fools because they will find themselves perhaps trapped within the
lower or the ether, the lower levels, or the astral planes. Because
these beings that are in charge or running the show, those traconians, arcns,
whatever gonna call them, they cannot rise to where we go. They
don't have that ability they have that they do not have that connection we do.
And this is why they're trying to keep us trapped in this cycle of
incarnation and reincarnation to bring us back again, because it's the only thing they
can do. So, I mean, it is theoretical, but a lot
of it makes absolute sense to me with what's going on. And that's just
another quickie here while I'm on the run here with this. Isn't it interesting?
How you know people are all too quick to say, oh no,
no, you can't talk about that. You know, you can't, you
can't mention that. But the reality is is quite clear. We want to
know what we are, who created us, not just about Genesis, but
the truth of that. And if you go through history in the past once
again, you find that a lot of the knowledge has been hidden from us.
And I think that people those that are not in the no, God
loved them because everyone is important here. I don't care if you're a man
with the count or the king with the crown. Everyone's important. But if
those good souls were told the truth of what the UAP phenomena represented, I
think they would be completely horrified. Literally. Now, when you had your
encounter back in eighty nine, for it, you mentioned in your book about
grays, but you also mentioned that you also thought you saw three reticilians.
Yes, yeah, now that's an interesting thing. So can you explain a
little bit about why do you think the reptilians would be working with the grays?
Well? Were they? I mean, this is the thing when you
when you get involved with the so called abduction. They the force, the
phenomena seems to connect very deeply within the elements of the human mind. They're
able to facilitate themselves through this way. This is why you're disabled. You're
not in control. They are in control. I've had some people telling me
and I've been insulted, telling me why the abduction occurred and what these beings
were. All I can tell you is that when I had seen them,
that is tough. It was the it was literally horrific, the shock,
the total lack of empathy, it was just a nightmare. So to me,
I was just a piece of meat on a slab I had. Nothing
was explained to me. Then modus aparandi was not revealed. But it was
a nightmare. And you know I've had, as I said, you enough
and people telling me all it's for your own good, insulting and then laughed
at because I remember when you come forward with the truth and then being invited
onto certain television shows. You're there to tell the truth. No, I
was the laughing stock, and that that you know, I'm not here for
sympathy. But I was also very annoyed because I thought, well, you
know you're looking at all, You're all looking at this completely backwards. You
know, the way that they people have got it pigeonholed into certain brackets.
And you know all the Draconians or the archons here, and the grays here,
and the Reptilians are working handing claw with the grays of their ai subservient
beings. You know, Can anyone please prove this to me? Can I
prove what happened to myself? No? But what I can tell you is
that this has forced me, like yourselves, to look into the phenomena on
varied levels of understanding. But as I said, you know, it gets
very difficult because you continuously get attacked because of people's structure, belief systems.
And I think as human beings not like the Grace because it operates they operate
as one hive mind consciousness, as an entity that is able to be aware
of all the information, whereas we as humans, we're very unpredictable even to
one another. So I think this is where the difficulties come into effect when
we're trying to work out what it is that we're dealing with with. But
I can tell you I think that they were inter dimensional. Their modus operandi
was somehow connected with the origins of what we were. Andy you mentioned quite
interestingly about the soul and Niel, the soul and consciousness, and that we
are containers for this energy, this source. So is evident that they're looking
for something that they themselves are denied or do not have themselves. And if
you think about it, I didn't see any form of reproduction or hybridization going
on there that is merely theoretical in nature with my understanding of that, but
I kept questioning, well, you know, why are the grades interested in
reproduction if they themselves cannot reproduce are they wanting to create a new genus?
Does this go all the way back to the fabled to a degree story of
Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and that the story has been
grossly distorted to other quite incredible facts that might tell us a lot un reveal
more about what really occurred back then. Yeah, it's interesting because they mentioned
a serpent in Adam and Eve's story, and I'm very interested in that because
the idea as zacharais Dititch who talked about the the idea that the forget the
people now that he the race anarchy, Yeah, that's it. And the
planet that they are supposedly yeah, they club to all with Earth and supposedly
they Nibru. Yeah, and it came from Mesopotamia. And the ideas that
the those people were the ones that are in communication with them in Asia at
Mesopotania which is modern day Iraq, I believe just as correct. And so
yeah, I'm interested in that because it's almost like as if they they gave
them the technology and birth civilization. And this is where it later clinics up
to the what what Zacharais Stitch talked about and what Lloyd Pie talked about was
the fact that they suggested that they took their own kind of d in a
of an anarchy and seeded it with possibly the Neanderthals to produce mankind, and
that's why we've got Neandthal DNA correct. And this is what he also suggested,
was what the sightings are of Bigfoot, the Neanderthals that haven't died out,
but they've just been pushed further and further into the forests. You know,
they don't want to hang around humans basically, which is which is the
interesting thing. I mean, what's your take on any of that? Well,
it's interesting, isn't it, Because going back to the interdimensional hypothesis,
what's curious is the fact and removing our souls slightly away from the theoretical aspect
of creation. And I believe that most definitely those researchers. But it's funny
how you kind of like always had those thoughts, those feelings when I was
younger, because like you and Andy Neil, I never felt like I was
part of this world and I was always questioning now in terms of Lloyd Pie
brilliant white, amazing researcher, and of course you knowsician brilliant among with many
other scholars. We're all there trying to put the pieces together. Now,
what's interesting if the Bigfoot or the Sasquatch as it's known in varied other circles,
was physical in terms of its origins here on earth. Well, it's
interesting because they normally or can mind speak with certain people. This has been
reported, and we have to be careful because do they themselves have their own
domain, their own reality, their own dimensional, the will doorway because we
haven't found them. It's the same with the dogmen, the werewolf that is
truly terrifying, Like the Susquatch, the smell, the sense of timelessness,
everything goes quiet when they're here. Are the true, truly horrific nature of
the encounters that people have with these beings. So it's interesting. It's possible
that they have got some access to a hidden earth or though they are underground,
but I believe that perhaps there are doorways that are opened for them to
come through. The same with a lot of victims, and I say victims
who have mysteriously disappeared at the hands of these theander trolls as they're called,
or these Bigfoot, the ape man and literally vanished out of thin air.
So I think when we look at the dogmun the werewolf, the susquatch,
there are similarities between the nature of these beings and how they communicate or connect
with their subjects or I would say victims. So you know, where are
they? Where are they all? We seem to be dealing with one part
physical that structures itself like you know, as if it's there, it's real.
It smells, the fear, the way that they apparently eat their prey,
and then they disappear like they don't exist. So you know, we
we've heard stories also within skin Walker Ranch in Utah where such episodes where where
the these beings have been seen coming out of portals from the ground. You
know that this is incredible and that they just disappear and UFO seem to come
in and out also there one minute there here, the next day they disappear,
the same as these these crypto cryptids as they're known. Paul Sinclair has
done a lot of research brilliant men in up North in West Yorkshire around that
area Bempton, and he's had a lot of cases where these werewolves have been
seen truly horrific and even one werewolf I remembered, I forget this. At
one of his lectures, one were wolf that was seen and documented by some
unfortunate souls was wearing an earring in its ear. I remember that. I
remember. That's a weird one, isn't it. Tendy were wolves. So
when you look at this, and this is where I'm also formulating ideas within
certain levels of reality, and when you look into near death experiences or the
other side. We know that there are astral planes and there are several layers
to them, and we also are creators through our mind. We create,
so everything that's manifested within the mind can be created. So we have to
ask ourselves the question that these creations that are somehow infiltrating themselves within our reality
found a way through to us. It's interesting, are we co creators with
them? Have we created them within our mythology and that they have become a
reality. We don't know. And of course people will slap you down and
say how ridiculous they are beings that obviously hide out in the meltings somewhere.
But I will say to you that the truly horrific nature of these beings,
it cannot be underestimated that when people have encountered these beings. The true nature
of fear that this is something that I have and we all know, has
to be explained. The true nature of that fear is evident because and if
you're dealing with a species that is there for the betterment of our civilization,
I doubt that, because you hear in multiple cases about you know, the
dreadful state of canavas being found, of people being found, that this system
doesn't want you to talk about bodies that have been found, that disappeared in
mysterious circumstances and found somewhere else. I mean, this is this is not
suggesting to me that we're dealing with love and light or you know, species
of extraterrestrials or hominids or dogmen. Far from it. Mm hmm yeah,
go Andy. I was just going to say, oh man, this is
just so deep, isn't it. It is. It's where you'll find yourself
going very no, carry on it. I did have a question. It's
gone there, Okay. Well, I was just thinking about a couple of
things. Initially one there's something else that I've family, but I think it's
all asco Asco. Yeah, he was talking about the various frequences that the
ease of take place on the UFOs aside, and he thinks that they kind
of shift between frequencies of the spectrum, and this explains why you might see
a flying source with different colors or why they're hard to photograph and appear on
film because they're shifting or phasing and out of reality, which you know,
suggests that they're Yeah, they could have traveled from a fast style system,
but they seem to be using other terms of appearing and disappearing, like like
light magicians. Really, that's right, yes, And Paul Asco is a
is another good friend, lovely guy, and he had his experience as a
young lad with his father and brother or they had communication from these beings through
the lights that were seen within the cloud, two of them. Now,
with regards to this analogy, what's interesting is that if you watched films like
The Thing, John Carpenter, isn't ma film The Thing, and we all
know that it was about some scientists in a frozen part of the world,
and of course they were dealing with an extraterrest or that are crashed and was
replicating human form, and of course it was more paranoia because they didn't know
where it was because it was feeding off the people. Now, when you
look at this phenomena, when we examine it, and we also have to
address the crashed saucer accounts, which absolutely, undeniably have happened, have occurred.
I'm sure of it that they have some of these bodies on ice,
But is it possible that these force or these entities, wherever they're coming from,
they have to build themselves within our reality. And this is why,
interestingly, I was curious that I've mentioned this in Terrestrial Trespassers, but in
future works when we hear stories of csh retrieval programs, there is a program
through the United States of America where these crash retrieval teams are in force,
are in effect, and it's strange that these objects come down in remote areas.
My brother's even kind of like thought that was kind of strange. But
even more strangers when the analysis of the said material that we hear about we
can't prove but a lot of the material is Earth based, but there's a
small percentage which is not, and this may indicate that we are dealing with
an intelligence far mentally advanced than we are that can actually replicate itself as it
transfers into our reality. That means it is taking the substance or the materials
from this world and shaping it as it comes in from their reality into ours.
Now we have to create deep sea diving equipment to even just go down
a very small level that we can reach. Because most of the ocean is
uncharted, it's unreachable. So we have to create equipment in order to survive
in hospitality. In hospital, Oh, I can't get the name in the
Thank you very much, I'm twisting my words here. Well, we all
have those problems. None of us are perfect environments. And if you think
about it, these so called extraterrestrials will have to adapt them souls within our
environment. If you are, for instance, looking at completely separate but kind
of like drawing upon the powers here, the human soul, the spirit of
man and woman that within this reality has to incarnate into a biological form in
order to live on Gaia on Earth. So we have a container with which
to animate our souls. So I believe that this force or these forces seems
to replicate itself within our reality, and because of this, it is able
to remove itself, just as quickly as it has replicated, as it goes
back out again, there is evidence left behind of this phenomena, no different
from a soul leaving a body, and we have something there, you know
that the vehicle there. So I believe that. You know, we've been
told, well, no, we've got spaceships coming from other planets. But
I'm not so sure about that. I think more in terms of the inter
dimensional hypothesis or the hyperdimensional hypothesis, is more that we could possibly be dealing
with. I've always found it interested in that when they look at the planets
and our solace isn't We've always had the official word from that, oh you
can't live on that planet is too hot, you can't live on that planet's
too cold, or that one is a gas giant, and all this kind
of stuff. And yet if there are aliens out there coming from other planets,
in theory, you could put forward the argument that NASA hasn't been telling
us the truth about these planets. You know, they'll they'll tell you anything,
but oh, yeah, there's there's aliens on there. We we spotted
them with our probes. No, they're not going to tell you that anybody,
I mean word for it. Yeah, they had this I forget the
report now that was published by this stink tank before NASA kind of got going,
and they said, look, should you discover alien life or extraterrestrial stuff
out that you should keep it from the public. And so, really,
when NASA does start send or has start sending out probes and things around to
various planets Venus, Mars, et cetera, et cetera, how do we
know that they're telling us the truth about those planets? You know, there
are too much radiation, that they're too hot there, whatever it is.
And yet these you know, people say, well, you can can't get
from there to here. You know, they may not be coming twenty million
light years or something from wherever they could be just come in and in our
terms of traveling, it's literally just over the road from our point of view.
Yes, it takes us maybe a year to get a probe to say
Venus or Mars or wherever it may be, because we're going at our rocket
speed. For these craft that can zip like that, they could be here
within ten minutes or something. I'm sure. Yes, So I think that,
you know, we've got a lot of people have been blindfolded about that
possibility they could be on the planets with our own. So, in fact,
going back, you know, maybe eighty years, so people always assumed,
oh, that guy that crashed in to the thing, he's someone from
Mars, or they're from Venus or something like that. They used to believe
that, and they never It was only until NASA started to come along and
change our viewpoint about those planets. And that's why we suddenly think, well,
where there can't be anything such as flying sources or aliens, because there's
no way they can get from there to here, when in fact they could
be literally coming through our own solar system. Well, I mean, the
Moon is one suspect, isn't it. And Mars, well, NASA,
as we all know, never a straight answer. I mean, if you
had the Moon landings and they've actually taped over the original Moon landing, what
does that tell you for a historic moment in time for our human species.
I think there's a lot of question marks that indicate that the even the Space
Administration have been lyned to us. They are absolutely at pains to ensure that,
oh, yes, we have a system rather like Earth, but by
the way, it's too far away for us to worry about every single time
they contradict themselves, and it is true I agree with you Neil and Andy
here because we don't know what's out there. We are told one thing,
we don't have the money or the means to go up there ourselves. And
these space administrations are also controlled by military factions now, and they are told
to do what they have to do and say what they have to say.
So there is every possibility to assume that this phenomena is far closer to us
than we have been led to believe. There's been no official inquiry, no
real official aquiry that has succeeded in actually proving what we are dealing with,
not one, not one of them, none of them. In fact,
we keep going around in circles every single time. And this is where the
proof of in the Pudding is because if you're not wanting to address a phenomena
that is being reported and recorded on film, by the way, not just
radar, we've dealt with all that before, but on film, this tells
us categorically that we are dealing with the phenomena that goes beyond the level of
what we have been led to believe it is. And I think this now
opens up a can of worms, and the system that we're serving is getting
very worried because there's a lot of important individuals who are now coming forward,
not just David Grush, who is a very high senior official within military establishments,
but also other people, you know, like Ross Couthart and he emailed
me a few times. Ross Cuthlart, he's the author of in Plain Sight,
and he's been fighting for this disclosure. And you can see that it's
so hidden within these private corporate companies, corporate private companies who are hiding this
technology. They have no right to do that because that belongs to all of
us. You know, who do these people think they are that they have
exclusive rights to the phenomena and that you don't, and that turn the other
way. There's nothing to see here. And even we have arguments stating,
oh, you know, we the UFOs we're seeing now because of our own
technology, back engineer technolog technology from alien hardware. Rubbish, absolute poppycock.
I think if that was the case, then we would have an entire legion
of these crafts that would be seen by even people with telescopes, with even
a normal telescope, you know, out in space, which you can use.
So I believe there's been a huge cover up, and I agree with
a lot of other researchers that we are being hoodwinked into the belief. And
this is what they do. They create confusion. They want no transparency to
anything. They love that those at the top, because they know that they
can turn one person against another and create all this division and confusion. That's
how they want it. They don't want any transparency, and they hate people
who are wanting to dig for that truth or look for that truth. So,
yes, it's a you're absolutely right now. It could be right right
above us. Have you heard of this concept that they actually want to build
railways on the moon? No? I didn't hear that. No, apparently
that's in the news recently. There's players to put railways up there. My
prediction is they'll keep delaying it and delaying it and delaying it and delaying it,
and it will probably never happen like AGS two, exactly exactly that.
I mean, let's put it this way. I mean, isn't it strange
to know that we had allegedly gone to the moon in nineteen sixty nine and
we're finding enormous problems now to get that technology back again in order to make
the same journey. And even these rockets sort have been sent there, I
don't think we're getting the real information sent back to us. It's the same
with mass, with the Sidonial region, and Professor Richard Hogland and many other
researchers you know, who have studied not just the moon landings but also these
other areas of interest, and the system that we serve slams down hard on
them. I remembered I think it was a program I watched. I can't
remember what it was called, and there was a person who was going around
the Space Museum and the person was questioning the size of the entrance and exit
of where the astronauts came out of one of the Apollo crafts. And they
said, well, you know, if they've had their suits on, there
would be not there wouldn't be enough room for their backpack to get through there.
And of course they were told to go away basically, and they didn't
want to answer the question. So this is another area that's nasty because you
will not get any clear statements or answers. The only things you'll get is
the official narrative, and not the one that you're questioning. So the best
thing to do with anything is to question everything that comes your way, look
into it. Don't just go along with the official narrative. You'll have to
find your answers. Because the way I'm seeing it is that you know,
this been a lot of lies that's been implemented and a divide because these these
these echelons, these dragons at the top that control the puppets, their their
their puppets that we see as our masters here. I mean that they just
revel in destruction, They revel in no transparency, they revel in no creativity.
If you look at the world that we're in at the moment, has
there been any real progress? You know, No, it's just all about
money, and it's disgusting, and you know, I just think that we
are living in a backward society and that we could do so much more to
enhance living conditions and bring peace to people, because you know, ultimately that's
what I would like to see, truth and peace and people helping one another
to in to enrich and enhance our lives, to make it something so beautiful
and amazing. But no, this system chooses to not do that, and
it's it's hard breaking that what we live in Philip is basically clown world.
Yes, not these toy land for me, Yes, I like that.
I love that that has that has humanly somewhat gentlemen when we look at it
like and I always say, not these toy land. I mean, it's
ridiculous if you listen to the radio advertisements sometimes when you get all childlike adverts
and I said this to a family member, childlike adverse and then you get
something so depressing like illnesses or or you know, all these other things that's
to designed to bring you down. You know, there's that there's nothing really
to suggest that anything good is happening in the world. When it is happening,
the good is happening in the world, but the system will not want
to report it because they do not want people to rise their consciousness above and
beyond the level of the way that this system has programmed our consciousness. And
this is what it's all about. Believe it's a war, a silent war,
and I believe that a psychic one as well, most definitely a psychic
war that deals with a lot about our ability as a species and our brilliance
are excellence and how the system is utilizing every method at its disposal, disposal
to destroy to subjugate the message because there's too many of us and they're finding
trying to find different ways of doing that. So yeah, it's a crime
shame. When I get back on the other side, I'm going to get
a refund getting back to the moonlanding slightly, because that's always of interesting me
anyway, and Andy as well. If you actually listen to the commentary of
Neil Armstrong on the first moonland he's obviously the first guy that comes down the
ladder and he's walking about, and then it's buzz Alding the second one that
comes down the ladder. And as he's coming down the ladder, you actually
hear Neil Armstrong instructing buzzle in where to put his hands, where to put
his feet, says, you come down here on the next wrong of the
ladder. Now come down the next one. Now come down the next one.
And you'd think, oh my god, you know this guy. The
way it sounds as if buzz Aldron has never come down a lunar lander before.
You know, he doesn't know where but exactly he's he must have done
it a hundred times in training surely he knows his feet, so why would
he need Neil Armstrong to help him come down the ladder. I just found
that as a bizarre thing. You know, Well, there's a lot of
anonymonees with regards to that, and you will have people who will slam you
and tell you that the official narrative you. But my question is where was
the camera that was filming Neil Armstrong coming down the ladder when he made contact,
because there's pictures of him coming down the ladder for the first time,
and did he run out about the zmera that No, that was fixed to
the leg. There was a small camera that was fixed to one of the
legs pointing towards the ladder, which is that camera? But all the lighting
was all odd, wasn't it? Or the all the rest of it,
Well, pos's on the moon or something. Yeah, and the shadows were
a little bit off. There's so many things I've thought about that. I've
got my own theories about that myself, and you know, I think there's,
to be honest, with a lot of stuff there that doesn't make any
sense whatsoever. But you know, we have to turn to attention and nod
and agree that it all happened, that it's all normal, and that there
was nothing really fishy about it at all. And of course you know,
but you know, we weren't born yesterday, were we And if it was,
Yeah, if it was such a historical moment, why would you wipe
over the original tapes? Well, that's that's right, Yeah, to record
I Love Lucy or something. We basically read how all these other lunar landers
they've sent a small robotic grunt and they get there and they file they tip
over or you know, they've had two in the last couple of months that
have tipped over. Yet supposedly the lunar module managed to make it down each
time without tipping over, and that's because we had men on board control in
it. I'm sure that we're going to find Donald Trump on there waving his
happy flag. God love him, God bless him, and so he'll just
spill the beans. What I love about that guy is that he just he
just says it as it is. And I know, I know that he
knows what's going on. He knows, and that's why they do not want
him in power. Whichever way you see him. That Draconians don't want him
in power. And if you look at this when he was president, every
single day they were trying to bring him down all the time. Do you
find that with Biden no warmonger? Did you find that with Bush a warmonger?
Even even when Biden sniff's children's hair and inappropriate things, the media are
like, oh, poor Biden, he isn't the saying silly things. And
then Trump make gaffes and it's all the more seriously, Well, you know
why don't you Because they don't want him in because he is not one of
them. He's not working or operating on their level of their narrative. That's
that's the reason why. Well, I was supposed to be politically neutral.
I mean, we're not politically nuture Neil, But what I want to say
to anyone American is, don't vote communist. Okay, and the people of
Britain, actually, because we've got our own elections coming up, don't vote
communist. We all know that the tour is a crap and we will over.
The Republicans are pretty crapped as well, but don't go for what's even
worse, which is communism. I Labor and the Democrat Party, who do
we vote for? Then this is problem, isn't it. I mean the
nearest I can come to in terms of anything that's that's half saying in the
UK would be refined form. They're not perfect, but they're hand of a
lot better than labor label will be a car crash label will destroy this country.
I mean their idea of kind of solving them immigration issue is basically opened.
All the builders and all the liberals look tap and cheering. Isn't it
wonderful? And what I would say to the liberals is, if you have
a house party, okay, do you just leave your front door open for
anyone to come in and know? You don't if you go to a nightclub
which you just get rid of security, get rid of the dorm and just
let anyone here know. I've got an idea. Why don't you ask Gary
Linecan to open up his house and let them go and live with her.
I would love I was sure he'd like that. Garry, if you're listening,
mate, open your house up and just open your front door, get
rid of all your locks, and just let anyone here that's absolutely use his
money to help them, Just let us. George Clooney two story George Clooney
who's a little bit of a liptid. Let's face it. He had a
house in Italy apparently, and he was all pro migration and pro bringing.
Everyone in his house got absolutely ransacked and he sold it and fled Italy.
So there we are. Well, I think it's to desobnize our country and
to destroy and there is there. I think that there is intent, not
so much behind the puppet puppets who take the orders from their masters. They
are awarded and as I said, they get their gongs and their riches and
they just leave the scene. And it's those at the top. But what
we have to do is we have to work together to try and resolve this
problem. To understand that this system is dividing people against people. They're doing
it all the time. We want world peace, we want everyone to get
on. You believe in that. You're quite happy to do that as long
as you're not harming us. But no, the system is wanting to destroy
and turn people against each other. That is what's really going on. They
want to destabilize the structured system that we have, and there is a plan
to do that. I don't get what anyone towers. Alex Jones had an
interesting concept because whatever people think of Alex Janes and Elon Musk, I think
Elon Musk was I know, maybe slightly on the dark side, but maybe
it's flipped and gone light. But anyway, they come up with a concept,
and Alex Jones says, it's not really about left and right, it's
about pro human or anti human And I'm the same. I don't care about
political parties. I don't care about left or right. I don't care about
Republicans or Democrats or label Tories. What I care about is pro humanity or
anti humanity. Is the party bringing in policies that help people or destroy people
destroying? What to do? It isn't interesting. We've got billions billions to
give to war, missiles, killing, construction, murder. Suddenly, oh
there's no money for people with starving kids or children. There's no money to
help the homeless. We haven't got any money for struggling families who can barely
pay their bills, so we're out of money. Oh here youukray have billions
to spend on. Walk over it. And do you know what they are
evil? I don't want to tell you. They are pure evil. They
are working towards an agenda, a plan, They have their instructions and whoever
gets in eventually will be got to them. Because that does a lot for
some people, especially about the awards and gongs to make them rich. They
can clear off and live their life somewhere where no one's going to bother them.
But be very careful because what you send out you'll get back. And
I don't care what people say. You know, this isn't the end here.
They can't take it with them, and you know you really want to
sell yourself on that level. I don't know. I would never want to
do that. I know whose side I'm on I can assure you of.
That is the freemakers who have the motto order out of chaos auto ab kaoe.
That's right. Yeah, he's getting back to David I kind of stuff
where it could be reptilian's control in the world through the politics of war and
stuff like that. Maybe, yeah, I would say whatever the label,
I would say darkness in other words, pure evil. So whether they're Degmons
or whether they're Archons, or whether they're Repattalians, or whether they're dre Co's
or whether they're whatever, just a dark force that takes humanity and hates this
planet, and what the label is doesn't really matter. And that's what we're
against. And that is what all the governments are serving. That's what the
highest politicians, most of them, not all of them, most of are
serving. It's what the institutions are serving. And you're right, Philip,
it's all about divisions. So whether it's old versus young, black versus white,
trans versus non trans, gay versus straight, male versus female, toxic
masculinity versus whatever, all of that, it's division, division, division,
division, division. And what David Ike says is get rid of the labels.
Let's unite as one. Yes, And it is to do with a
genetic structuring as well with our species. They want to counsel out the creation
of God's creation, if you want to call it God, God's creation,
the source. And I believe that's why it goes much much deeper that people
will never really be able to comprehend, because you, like anyone, you
have to do your research and you start putting the pieces together and you'll find
that this thing is absolutely huge. It's not just a tiny piece that we
put in a box of the UFO covering from another planet. There is so
much more that has the connections linked not just to that, but many other
facets interlinked with it, you know, and you'll find a lot of the
problems are far closer at home here than what's really gone out there. It's
all happening here, and people really need to wake up to this because you
know, you can bury your head in the sand for a while. But
there's two really disturbing things with all this. Number One, the rich elites
are abandoned. A lot of them are battling American built oh yes, underground
bank. Number two, where this is pushing towards they want to push towards
World War three. And we've got the Democrat Party talking about in quotations limited
nuclear strikes. There is no such thing as a limited nuclear strike. If
you have a limited nuclear strike where it involves Russia or China, the entire
world will ignite. End of story. And at the end of it,
too many people. That's how they say it. Yeah, exactly that,
exactly that and the stupidity of it. So imagine you're a rich elitist and
you're and you've got your bunker and you're and World War three is going on,
and you're you're clapping and cheering, and is it wonderful? Mankind is
going to be destroyed? Okay? What now? Okay, so after a
year all your food supplies are gone, you pop up the bunk out of
the bunker. There's nothing left, mate, where's your food supply? Now,
where's your crops? Now? There's psychopaths. Don't think they're psychopaths.
They don't. They don't think about that. And anyway, their their substructures
are supposed to be absolutely incredibly enormous and we'll be able to last them for
decades. But I wouldn't want to live in that environment. I'm sorry,
I couldn't. I'd rather be out on the top and go with it quickly
and deal with it that way, and go and get a refund. And
then they asked them what on earth was that all about? Yeah, the
problems with these elites is they are a mixture of rich and stupid. Somebody
like Justin Trudeau, that smug faced minstrel clown. You look at his face,
this little smug communist face. He is rich and stupid. He's an
idiot. And the trouble is is not just him, it's all and they're
all in lockstep. So if you take you justin Trudeau, you're Joe Biden,
Your hums are yusef and you're just into a derned. They're all having
the same shitty communist policies all at the same time. Time. Well,
it's all about destruction and freedom of speech, it's all about wokeism and liberal
stupidity, all at the same time, all bringing this in. And are
we supposed to say, oh, it's just a coincidence. It's just a
coincidence that at the same time Europe's borders are being invaded by people, let's
face it, hate Europe and hate the Anglo society. At the same time
that this is happening in America, they're also being invaded by half of Latin
America coming in, hamming at their borders wanting you know, benefits and housing,
aren't they Yeah, they're getting busted Neil. And I know what's funny
is that when I think it's the Florida governor that busts some of the immigrants
up to kind of Democrat areas in Cape Cod and New York and suddenly the
Democrats were, well, not here, we don't want it here. As
long as they're down south, they're nowhere near us. You can see what
they're doing. They are dividing, they are destroying, and they are it
is. It is the most evil thing that anyone can ever do. But
I wouldn't worry too much about that, because even though we're going to have
to try and deal with most of the chaos here, at the end of
the day, I can assure you that we will be liberated, and not
on this level, and that they themselves would have created their own prisons.
They think they are serving their lord and master. Well, all that they
will have is darkness and terror, and we will have a very different existence.
Yeah. You know, it would be great if you had like a
little collection of islands and all the little rich elitists and all the idiots and
all the smug faced minstrels and the communists, and they could all just go
and live on these little islands and piss off out of it and just leave
left. That'd be great, and then we can rebuild a utopia there should
have been. Yes, So this is it for I think that I think
that this world, this planet, this earth, should be heaven. We
should be heaven, we should have a heavenly society. And I think that
is what life was supposed to be about, and it got hijacked. You
have got it, You've got it right on the now. The system has
been hijacked. And what's happened is that we are to suffer through a system
that is operating on another intelligences blueprint of their agenda. But don't worry.
There are higher forces and we are part of that. And something they can
never have there falls even if they try to destroy every part of us in
the physical here, they can't because we're connected to source and they are not.
And that is the big difference. So it doesn't bother me at all.
It bothers me what's happening that I have my faith and my conviction.
In fact, I know that there is another side, so it doesn't bother
me. So nuclear war then, and so now it's over. It's a
bob for the weather. Interestingly, have you heard this, Nail and Philip?
Interestingly, and I can't remember where I heard this from, that some
of the good guy Aliens connections seem to say that if mankind ever did really
go down the route of pressing the big red button for the nuclears, the
UFOs or the good eats would turn up and try and I don't believe it.
I don't believe it. So we could have the possibility of wiping out
life on this planet, and that'scorrect. No, I don't believe. Why
would the good guys really sit back and just watch that? No, well,
where are they? Where is their help? Have we had any help
from them? But then there's the free realishue. No, I don't believe
they have messed about with nuclear weapons in the silos and haven't they. Yeah,
well, Robert, I'm just fallous if they were that concern for us
on a level of hierarchy, and please people say, oh they've signed some
disclosure cospic galactic thing. What a load of old rubbish. They could have
helped us, They could have assisted us in some level to some degree,
But we are left alone. And I don't believe that we will be rescued
by anything or anyone. I will if that's the case of be coming in
now, If they're starting to see that World War three is going to happen,
nobody here trying to stop that. So I believe that the phenomena the
force. No, I think that we would be left to our own devices,
and if it happens, it happens. I would like to believe that
there would be some mess ascension and that these crafts come to save us.
But it's never happened in World War two, never happened in World War One,
happened in any of the major disasters across the world ever that we know
of. So no, I don't believe that they seem to take part in
wars though, don't they But they're not necessarily in the sense. Also,
yeah, they observed in it. Yeah, like the fighters, they've never
stopped it. They're just allowed to carry on. Yeah, Yeah, they
take part in it, observed, And I think they take it rich pickings.
I mean, I've heard of a case. Whether it's true or not,
I don't know that. I thought it was an interesting story that these
these Vietnam US soldiers were going through jungle in Vietnam. Oh, yes,
early affeculties, and they came across some grays as I pick up human body
parts or something from some battle for whatever reason they wanted to do. Maybe
they're just tidening it up. I don't know. But is that the case
that you were thinking of? The liver? Is it? My was the
upturned aircraft that was discovered in a jungle, and they found all the bodies
of the crew strapped and all the esophagus pulled out and their name tags or
you know, almost like the human mutilation that was found all the way back
in Vietnam. I think it was. I think it was Jazz Vietnam.
I think it was then, or there's something like that. And that was
an account that was registered and recorded. But of course the system was served
to stop want people to know about that. You're not allowed to mention anything
of it, that it was gray or aliens tied to that in any way.
Well, the craft, the aircraft, the plane itself was literally like
it had been turned upside stopped, turned upside down and gently placed within a
deeply forested area impossible, so implaced by something. And when they found the
body's terrible state. And of course the Vietnam War neil this, and Philip
you might be aware of this. It's come out that actually the Gulf of
Tonkin incident, which was supposedly like a Vietnamese government communist forces attacks like a
US naval ship that never actually happened. That's come out in the hues.
So the whole thing is based on CI aperration something like that, a bit
like the Weapons of Best Destruction with Iraq. But what I was going to
say, Neil, have you heard of this one in terms of why night
vision goggles are green? And this relates to the Vietnam War And it goes
a bit spooky and wooky about this, haven't you? But I don't remember
what it was meant I could like it. So it would make more sense
for night vision goggles to be red based, because I lert this in cadets
many years ago, is that when you're out and about, the red red
kind of preserves your night vision, whereas green. If you look at something
green and then look away, you're kind of like you eys will have to
adjust where you don't really get that if you've got like a red torch.
So when they've been using night vision, and that's been around for quite some
time, believe it or not. The Second World War, they have night
vision scopes, the huge great things on rifles, but they kind of like
decided to experiment with different colors just to see how troops got on with these
different colors. So they went with green, they went with yellow, they
went with red, and they went with blue. There's a bit of feedback
going. I don't know where that's coming from. Sounds like a lightsabers.
Now though, I realized that my laptop is very low of juice, and
if I plug it in, it's to make this sound, and I'm just
I'm just going to I think it's was kind of about to cut out right,
We're ran it out of it. So yeah, basically, there was
They were testing out lots of different like colors for night vision during the Vietnam
era, and they discovered when they were using red, the helicopter pilots were
going crazy and the gunners were shooting at things that they said were kind of
like demons with wings flapping around. Uh and and for some reason they kept
seeing these demons and then they they take the goggles off and there's nothing there.
They put them on, and the demons were there, and they had
these gunners shooting these these demons. When they switched to green. This is
interesting. When they switched to green, the demons disappeared, but then they
started seeing UFOs, which is why sometimes when you see UFO documentaries and they're
using green night vision sometimes they kind of so whether it's the fact that they're
on infrared level or something. I don't know, but it's very weird.
Okay, thanks Andy, I think we better wrap it up there because Philip's
going to lot of the guys well these. I realized that I hadn't got
my I charged the computer, and I realized when I thought I had it
plugged in, there's the power switches off, so the lead was not But
of course that's why Neil, you said you can't hear anything because that's working
with no power lead in. But I am just about to it's just about
to die on me, and I'm like, well, thank you very much
indeed for joining us. Philip kinsella All of Terrestrial Test Busses, which is
available on Amazon, and people can buy your book from Amazon and other leading
bookshops. And you're working in another book at the moment. Yes, yes,
I'm working on a new book. That's a spiritual book that looks at
the creation hypothesis, the incarnation, reincarnation, and also the avatar elevated souls
that come in, but also questioning a lot about the functioning of the spiritual
body, the second body that we occupy within this form, and of course
as well as the negative influencers that have a profound effect upon us as within
this and of course in the past of spot sees. I'm working on that
one at the moment. Excellent, all right, and you're also the host
of Twin Souls of your brother Ronnie, so look out for that in the
Paranoral UK Radio Network. So like, thank you Philip for your time and
join us next month on the Paranormal UK Radio Network with the Paranormal Peep Show.
So it's good night for myself Neil, and good night for Andy.
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