All right, everybody, welcome to another episode of Wrestle Magic, where tonight
my friend King Scully and I will be talking about just bad gimmicks that we're
in the wrestling business for a few years. So, without further ado,
my partner my Wrestle Magic UK team, King Scolly, King Scully, how
you doing, man, I'm very good and thank you for the kind introduction.
How are you not too bad? Man? So excited for this one.
Man, I know we've talked about some bad gimmes, We've made fun
of them enough times, so I just thought this would be a good episode.
How long have we been talking about this now a few weeks and to
be fair, it's quite perfectic some of it, isn't it. Yeah,
just reading up and watching videos about some of these guys, it's like,
man, what were they thinking? Who is this supposed to appeal to?
And I'm really excited to get into this one, so further ado. To
start this off, I first picked for one of the worst gimmicks in the
wrestling business. Was I'm gonna start off with some of the more obvious ones.
I'm gonna go with mantar just because God, what was the idea?
This was probably around that nineteen ninety five era where they didn't really understand what
the people wanted, and they're throwing out just annual gimmick and try and get
anything stick in that New Generation era that was coming out, And they put
a giant bison head on this guy and just sent him in and everybody was
asking like, well, what if he gets in the ring and falls over?
And that's exactly what ended up happening at one point, Scully, do
you remember anything with Mantar? Yeah, memory looked have a bull and I
don't think anyone cared. Yeah. Sounds about right, honestly. Man.
Once again, that nineteen ninety five ish New Generation era, it just there's
something Gamix that really did not stick. All right, So on to the
next one, Scully, What was your first pick then? So my first
pick is where fake Diesel. I don't know what there was thinking. I
don't know why if it would be a good idea to have Glenn Jacobs play
fake Diesel. Yes, he went on to be Kane and everyone loves Kane,
but fake Diesel Nope. Only one person could play Diesel, and that
was the original guy, Kevin Nash. But once he went to WCW that
was it WWF at the time before it was a good idea to try,
and I don't know, mock Kevin Nash and I don't think it worked,
do you, ah Man? So I've heard a little bit about this that
WWE still owned the rights to the name Diesel and the character. Same thing
with Razor Ramone, and they just decided, Okay, well we still have
the rights to him, We're going to use them. And then it just
fell flat. I feel like Glenn Jacobs has always been a good wrestler,
but this just was not the character for him. The Cane character is just
him personified at this point. I don't feel like he can personify anything else.
So fake Diesel. I don't know what they were thinking. Really,
he didn't look the part, didn't really seem the part. I was definitely
not a fan of it, all right, So next one for me,
I'm going to call out the gobbledee gooker, who, if you guys didn't
know, was actually Hector Guerrero inside the costume. For a couple of weeks,
they had this giant egg that they kept showing and it was going to
be like, oh, some pig's gonna come out of that soon and then
what ended up coming out of it was a giant turkey and started dancing in
the ring, and the fans just loathed it, and nobody liked that.
I guess it was supposed to be some sort of new potential icon or mascot
I guess I should say for the company, But nobody cared. Nobody wanted
to see that. You're in a wrestling business and you want that to be
your mascot, and it makes no sense. Heckor Burrow is a pretty good
performer. How would you put him in the giant chicken suit? It just
seems so silly to me. Who is this supposed to appeal to? Not
even the kids were interested. Scully, when did you think of that one?
Man? Well, I remember leading up to it. I don't know
why the fans were excited and disappointed, because, I mean, what else
is going to come out of a big giant egg? I mean, why
would you even be looking forward to be surprised by a big giant egg?
Do you know what I mean? Like, who's going to come out the
easter bunnet? No, what you got was a big chicken thing, And
just like the other two we've already mentioned. I'm pretty sure he was,
you know when he in a like Battle Roil a few years ago as well.
And just like Mantor and Fake Diesel who is also in roild Rumble Matches,
no one cared. You are dead on with that. Nobody could have
cared about it, and honestly, what were they thinking? But also you're
right, I mean, what else were you really expecting to come out of
an egg? But I don't know, man, the wrestling world's full of
a lot of just random stuff like that. So onto your next, big
budd So I've switched it a bit because you said that one. I thought
it would only make sense if I go with this one next, which is
Red Rooster played by Terry Taylor. So obviously Terry Taylor. He was a
good wrestler and he had a lot of promise. He came up through the
ranks. He was in the Jim Crockett promotions, he was in the Mid
South Wrestling Universal Wrestling Federation, he was in WCW. So, I mean
he was really popular. He was a fan favorite in the Mid South region
and the fans loved him. And then he comes to the WWF and what
did they do they make him at some point turn heel and join Bobby the
brainheenan And then his gimmick was the red rooster and what did he do?
Have red tights, a ring coat, and then when he became a babyface
again, his hair he did like a rooster comb and it was like a
red mok and food the middle of his long hair. And I mean,
he had a lot of promise, but the gimmick just never worked. I
don't know if you remember it. So I have watched some things about him
and seeing the way that he would walk in the ring and everything and try
to act almost like a rooster. Once again, this is one of those
that who was going to care about this? And that is what sometimes the
characters boil down to is if you don't have anybody who this applies to,
why would anybody care? And there's just some characters like somebody that's not on
either of our list we made sure about is the ring master, who of
stone Cold himself had huge issues with who was going to relate to that nobody
was going to want to see red rooster versus the ring master at WrestleMania.
This was never going to work. And I don't know whose idea it was
to think it would. But anyways, so my next pick is the Reboatman,
once again, one of those names that you could never see on a
marquee because it just wouldn't make sense. Another one of those names that it
seemed like WWE and WCW for a while they went back and forth around nineteen
ninety five ish making up these gimmicks that were job related, and there's nothing
completely wrong with that, but some just don't need it. And I mean
the way this guy looked, it looked like the freaking Hamburglar from the McDonald's
group, whatever you want to call that. I don't see once again,
who was going to relate to this and think, man, that guy,
it's just like nobody could ever have seen that. You don't really see much
of his content honestly from back when it just seems a ridiculous sky. Do
you remember or know anything about this guy? Yep, just like the other
ones. I seen him in Royal Rumble Matches. I seen him running around
acting like he don't know what he's doing. But I also know that the
Repo Man and Ted de Biossi, the million Dollar Man, beat Virgil and
Tito Santana. So I mean, I'm pretty sure that they felt embarrassed.
And I mean even went into the nineteen ninety two Royle Rumble. He's snuck
into the ring after running around like I don't know what he was doing.
And then he even eliminated Nikolai Folkoff and Greg Dhammer Valentine before being a dominated
by the big boss man. So you imagine what they must think, Oh,
we got eliminated by this guy. It's duke of a gimmick. Man
that is embarrassing to say the least. Oh, man, the worst this
list gets all right, onto your next one. Man, Oh, I'm
going to go with Max Moon. Well, the name itself tells you that
it's terrible. I mean, you hear the name and you think, here
we go. I'm scared of a wrestler card Max mun Who's going to be
scared of that guy? Do you know what I mean? I mean,
I mean, I don't know if you've seen his outfit, but he looked
terrible, like I don't know if it was some kind of weird superhero cheap
knockoff costume from the one of those cheap shops where you could get fake costumes
from. But I don't know why they thought it was a good idea,
but the costume itself, he didn't even fit the soup. And that's not
even a joke. He didn't even fit in properly. Looked absolutely silly.
And the worst thing is it is played by Conah, you know co Nan
from WCW. I vaguely remember it. So looking at this guy his outfit,
the only thing that comes to mind for me is Mega Man from the
video games. And that is not a compliment. That is not something that
you should look to personify in a sports entertainment ring. I guess we could
say, what was the idea here? Yeah, this whole gimmick doesn't really
make sense to me. It almost looks like they tried to bring a video
game character to life, and and I kind of feel bad for whoever had
to personify this. Why would they subject anybody to have to do this?
That is so ridiculous? Man? All right, So onto my next one.
I was just going to say, sorry, do you know the worst
thing about it? No? What's that? Man? He was actually called
the Comic Kid for a few matches so before before they settled in Max Moon,
he was called the Comic Kid what's worse the comic Kid or Max Smooth.
I think they're equally just as bad. My god, who was on
Creative thinking we need this to sell a ten year old kid, maybe maybe
some kindred of a picture and thought this guy be a wrestler, and then
it was like, let's try it. Yeah, okay, sorry about you
got hey, no problem, man, Hey, I'm glad that you jumped
in for that. All right. So my next pick somebody who is known
as the YEDDI well, at least I remember. I believe it was WCW
that they used to announce him as the Yetay for every single thing that ever
happened. But I remember, similar to the Gobbledegooker. His debut was I
believe, out of some sort of iceberg, glacier, some sort of giant
ice block from what I remember, And I just remember thinking, what was
the point of this. The guy's like seven feet tall, dressed up as
a mummy. They're calling him the Yetti. He doesn't seem like he's completely
incapable in the ring, but the things that they're having him do just don't
look right. I remember there was some sort of a bear hug that I
believe the Giant who is now known as Big Show and the Yetty were doing
too hul Kogan, but it looked like they were just hugging him and just
shaking. And I can't make this up. If you guys look it up.
It is the most ridiculous looking thing I've ever seen in a segment.
And I question, what was that supposed to do to him? Why did
they create this character? Who was supposed to Who feels anything with this character?
What kind of attachment? Who is going to buy merch for this?
Why does this exist? And why of all things did a mummy come out
of an iceberg? And why are they calling that a yetti? None of
this adds up. None of this makes sense? Why? Why? Why?
That's gully? Take it from me, man, I guess the only
thing is it is that I is. And I think it seems, uh
the writers were crazy in the nighties and they didn't know what they were doing.
I mean with some cases, yeah, you've got superstars out of it,
but then in other cases, like the yetti whatever that was meant to
be, Yeah, you've got a waste of space, that's what you've got.
Oh, totally agreed, man, that was just God awful. Why
is all I can ask at this point, and I hate to sound like
the angry video game nerd, just completely asking why, why, why why?
But that's all I can think of with this one. I mean,
the guy's over seven feet tall. He was the fact that he is tall
as the gimmick. How many times have they done in the past, and
it works? And Andre the giant who mentally was a powerhouse, So that
makes sense. You've had the big Show who pretty much the same gimmick,
and I just used the fact that he's tall and say, just go in
there and do. Man. You don't have to be insanely talented, but
you can cut a promo, you can hit a few moves and you can
look at doing that. You will do fine because you're gonna look tall and
dominant. That is all you really needed, all right? I digress,
Scully. What's your next one? Man, let's get off this one.
So my next one, because you named that one, I thought I'd go
with another big guy. And we've already mentioned the fake Diesel. Well,
this guy he played the real Diesel. But when he was in the wc
W, before he became Diesel, he was a character known as Oz and
again another big dude, Kevin Nash, playing a character based on the Wizard
of Oz from the children's book. I mean, he comes out with some
stupid mask on with some weird dark smoke effect coming down to their ring,
like he's all intimidated, coming down with the great Wizard who kind of reminds
me of Gray Wyatt, Uncle Howdy kind of thing. And yeah, I
don't know why they thought it would work, but it looked terrible. And
then when he got in the ring, he took the mask off anyway to
reveal his proper face. What was the point ofn't it? And the nineties
was such a weird time for wrestling as I don't understand the idea. I
don't understand the demographic they were aiming for. I just know that they did
it because they had nothing else to do besides probably a mountain of cocaine in
the back. I don't know what else could have possibly brought these thoughts further
than the table any other thoughts on him? Skully, Yeah he's followed the
yellow out of air, thank god. And yeah, a fit. That's
enough about that loser, all right, fair enough? So the next guy
that I want to cover. Now this one's a little weird. The Stormtrooper
is what he was called. Now, this guy, I don't believe the
character lasts very long for a very good reason because the character himself was supposed
to be in the eighties portraying a Nazi. He literally just came out,
had swastikas all over him, waved a Nazi flag, and there wasn't really
much to the character from what I've seen. Besides, it was a very
very way to get eat and it seemed even classless in the eighties at that
point, Like, why would you want this character to be around? It
seems strange at that point. I understand wanting cheap heat, but going that
route, I feel like it's a bit far as a heel. Maybe you'll
get a little bit of a reaction, and maybe you'll get people just annoyed
with you more than anything. But I saw a point in this character,
and I saw him as very pointless from the beginning. To be honest with
you, Scully, do you know anything about this guy, because I know
he was in a I believe Smoking Mountain Wrestling is where he made his debut
and where the character showed up and died. Basically you know anything about him.
Yeah, it says a lot when people say the shock Muster is more
entertaining. I think that says it all. Really. I mean, at
least the shock Muster fell through a wall and on his debut and everyone found
somewhat funny about it. But this guy, I don't know what they were
thinking. But again, as you said, cheap heat, trying get him
some booze around the arena. But yeah, he's costumed to have it.
But anyway, it was never gonna work, was it. No, I
don't think it was. I think it was doomed from the start. Honestly,
Yeah, I'm I'm really sure who that would have Well, I guess
it would have made a lot of people angry, and it would have been
a good way to get cheap heat by other than that man. The storm
Trooper has to be one of the worst ones. I saw no point in
this. I thought it was kind of classless, to be honest with you,
man. But once again, I digress back to your list. Men.
So I'm going to go with the fake raisor Ramone. So I've said
the fake Diesel, so it's only fair I say the fake Raise Ramone.
Now the nine thing about this is Raised Ramone. Actually Scott Hall is the
Raised Ramone character is one of my favorite characters, like one of my favorite
wrestlers. He'd been my top five all time favorite wrestlers. And then when
you get a cheap knockoff like this, when Scott All and Keery Nash leave
the w F to go to WCW, you get a cheap knockoff like this
who tries to impersonate the bad guy Raise Ramone and fails doing so. And
I get why they tried to do it, just mainly just to hit back
at Scott All and Keery Nash. But let's be honest, it didn't work.
It was doomed from start. And I mean he wasn't very good either.
He was played by Rick Bogner, who is no longer with us,
passed away on September twenty, twenty nineteen. But as far as the character
goes the fake Ragier Amone, I mean he had he had a few matches.
I mean he lasted a couple of years, I think ninety six to
ninety seven, so I mean a whole year of fakeness. And again he
was in Royal Umbulls. I remember him in royal mumbles as well. I'm
pretty sure I've seen Stone Cold beat him up in in one of them,
maybe the ninety seven one. But yeah, it's just like, what was
they thinking, really, what do you think about him? Well? I
think he would have had a better chance if they wouldn't have put him as
Raser Ramone, if they was come up with a new character, or maybe
just had him go out as Rick as himself, kind of like how Mick
Foley was when he was in TNA. Then it could have worked a little
bit better. But not as Razor Razor Ramone. That was Scott Paul.
There is no replacement for somebody who's personified a character so well, giving you
great promos, great vignettes, and we still quote him to this day.
I mean on the show, I've heard Rocky himself quote Raiser Ramone and his
famous quote about good guys last. And you know that still kind of hangs
and looms over us a little bit. We still you know, I still
see it pop up on Facebook once in a great while, fake Razor.
He was in a terms just because hey, we're still on the rates of
the character, we should use them anyways, And it just wasn't going to
work from the beginning. That was doomed from the start, between both him
and the fake Diesel, and I kind of feel bad for him. I
think they could have did him better by just giving him something else. Any
last thoughts on him, Yeah, I agree with you, Like, it's
a shame that that too, he had to portray and try and impersonate.
He was never going to work. It was Scott Hall's character. It was
his gimmick. He pretty much. I think did EP gave Scott all the
idea. I think if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, but
either way, like it was never going to work with someone else trying to
play it, especially as you said, when you say about masks and unmasked.
At least if you've got a mask on and your body is similar to
the guy who originally portrayed it, then people won't notice as much. But
when you can see their face and you can clearly see it's not the same
guy and the original guys in the other company is kind of silly. Really.
Oh, I totally agree, man. I mean, like, if
you guys listen to my sincar, especially, you know how I feel about
the fact that they took his character put it on a pornico just because well,
they didn't have a Sincara for the moment. They decided to use them
differently, and basically, once Sincara did come back, you know how things
went if you listened anyways. So next one on my list racked a man
O God that was such heat terrible, terrible idea. They decided to try
to rip off Spider Man. Basically, guys, if you look him up,
it is such a clear and obvious copy. It is terrible. I
do not recommend anything be ripped off so easily. And apparently the company got
sued for a little bit because Marvel did not want them using Spider Man's likeness
because it was too too obvious. I don't really understand how they thought they
could get away with that, besides the fact they changed the colors a little
bit too. I believe it was purple and yellow and man, why this
is just one of those that I guess maybe it could have worked if Spider
Man didn't exist, but it doesn't make sense. I mean, he was
in the ring, and I believe at one point he was doing like some
of those magic tricks where he'd see like something that looks like webs shoot out
of his hands, and man, it just looked Okay, I'll give him
some prop I think. I don't know, man, this was just dumb.
I never saw the point in that, but I'd aggress on that.
Skully. Do you have anything to say about this guy? Do you remember
him performing at all? That chance? Only really on videos that I've been
watching, like recently. Was his music a Ratna? Man? Man,
do you reckon that was his music? Like? I mean, I haven't
even seen his entrance music. I wouldn't do it like it might it might
have worked if he swung down from the rafters maybe and climbed the walls.
I don't know. It was a terrible idea. I mean, could they
not get a decent costume? If? I mean, like, what is
with these terrible gimmicks with cheap costumes? I mean is like they just made
it theirself out of like some cheap fabric, like got one of their kids
to make it not even look like an adult made it. I don't know
what they were thinking again, Like it was never gonna work, right right,
I mean the first idea of this was maybe they were reading Marvel comics
and thought, hey, maybe we can change it just enough. They won't
care. No Marvel, they care. They want their money, especially now
they're owned by Disney. Disney cares. They're not gonna let you get away
with that crap. But anyways, yeah, I digress on that one.
That may have been his entrance views. I honestly I could have seen it,
and that could have been probably the best thing they could come up with,
because they probably stole the idea in the first place. Anyways, it's
no wonder they got the cease and desist. All right, back to your
list, man, Okay, seeing as you chose him, I'm gonna again,
because you said about the fake web thing, I'm gonna have to choose
the guy known as Fantasio the Magician the well, I think he was meant
to be a magician, But again, what were they thinking? I mean,
I think this would work if it was an actual magician playing the character,
like someone who was actually good at magic tricks. But I don't think
this guy was. But he was played by dal Rios, not Alberto dal
Rios. His actually named Harry dal Rios. And yeah, he when he
came as he was meant to be a babyface and he wore like a black
and white MEMI mask, which it'd hand to the young fan sitting that ringside
a bit like at Heartwood with his glasses, and then he'd have matching face
paint underneath, so he'd take the mask off. And yeah, and I'm
pretty sure he only had one match and on on Telly or whatever. And
I watched that match, and he thought Tony de Vito, not Danny de
Vita, Tony de Vito, and it was really bizarre, like the stuff
that was going on. He magically removed the Vitos box are shorts. I
mean that was a bit odd. And again he used some like a bit
like a spiderweb, but it wasn't. It was like, I don't know
what it was, but yeah, it was terrible. It looked fake.
He looked rubbish, another cheap prop that didn't work. And yeah, like
anyone will care about the character like that. And I hear you. I
think it would have been more entertaining if he was against Stanny Devita. Honestly,
that could have been hilarious and I would have probably watched that match over
and over again. I think I know what you spot you were talking about
with the I want to say, almost like confetti or streamers coming out of
his hand something like that, a trick of that sort, And I think
you're right, it would have been more entertaining if it was an actual magician
in the ring. Come on, how cool would be if David Copperfield just
appeared in the ring and actually did something more interesting than most? Can you
imagine if all of a sudden it's like he made his opponent disappear instead instead
of just his boxer shorts. That's a little once again, I kind of
feel like that was probably in that time of writing where things were going a
little bit more family friendly and they wanted to get to laugh out of the
kids. Maybe that is probably the only way that I can justify that happening.
The character from what i've heard, scrap pretty quick because once again,
nobody cared. But anyways, so I also want to let you guys know
here in the UK, we're kind of having some really high wind stuff.
So you might hear this high pitch sound every once in a while on both
of our ends because we're both getting it kind of you can hear it from
our window seals and everything. But i'd digress on that anyways, Scully,
do you have any more thoughts on Pantasia, Not really, what else can
you say. I'm just glad he disappeared to be honest, his final trick
was making his career disappear. Anyways, on to the next guy. So
this gimmick I actually grew up seeing and I remember being very confused the entire
time at this wrestler did anything. It was Funkasaurus. My god, what
the hell was that they had this guy, Brutus Clay. He looked big,
he looked scary, he was even Snoop Dogg's old security guard at one
point, and yet they decided to give him a dancing gimmick. I guess
it's not the worst thing that could have happened. Yes it was. It
was the worst thing that could have potentially happened. I am scarred for life
after seeing that. Over so many years they brought in. I believe it
was Naomi and Cameron Worthy dancing girls that joined him at a certain point.
And I believe Naomi now known as a god. I believe she's known by
Trinity now in TNA. I guess at least it gave her a little bit
of a rise in her career. She's become a pretty good wrestler. I
will say so, I'm glad for that, But Brutus Clay, I'm not
going to say that it was like a waste of his talent or anything,
because you've actually moved on to nWay and he's done better things. But man,
what was going on? Was this a punishment gimmick or something? Man,
I don't understand this one at all. You had this huge dude and
you decided to even a dancing gimmick. Can I believe even had an extended
spot at WrestleMania. What was going on here? I don't understand. You
want to have a wrestling company and you want to portray like, oh yeah,
this guy's a real, real tough dude. Of first he's going to
dance in front of you. This makes no sense. Man, Scully,
I know you've seen him at some point. Please tell us about your experiences
and your trauma from Funkosaurus. Somebody call my mama. Somebody call my mama.
It was terrible. We come out. He looked like like a big
version of the Godfather, really didn't. He like a big himp sort of
thing with his red at He's a red jacket, fake added ass jacket.
Or was it a real added ass jacket? I can't remember. But for
a big guy, he looked good. But that Gimmick certainly did not look
good come down dancing. But looking at him, looking at him without all
that rubbish, you see why he went on to better things as Tyrus in
the n w A. But I don't know why they thought that would be
good at six foot seven guy coming out dancing with two women by his side.
And don't get me wrong, you weren't you weren't. Heain't a bad
wrestler at all. He was quite easy all right in the ring. But
yeah, I don't see why, ifore it would work or why. I
guess it was another fincement man Gimmick, would new agree? Oh definitely,
man, And I like how you said that about he kind of just looked
like a bigger version of the Godfather. I never noticed that until now,
now that I think about it. You're right, that is the most dead
on thing that I have ever thought about. Now that you've put that in
my head, Holy crabs, Going all right, onto the next one,
Man, who's next on your list? Dude? Who should I have next?
I'm gonna go with because one of the members. So this is at
one person. This isn't two people, this is five. And I'm going
to go with this group because as well, like most recently, Nick Nammuth
aka Dolf Ziegler just debuted in TNA. And but when he first came in,
he was part of a group known as the Spirit Squad. And I
mean, how scary would you be if a bunch of cheerleaders men cheerleaders run
down the ring to beat you up. I'm sure you will be really intimidated,
and you'd be really scared and you jump over the ropes and run away
through the crowd, said no one ever. But yeah they had I remember
they feuded with d X Triple H and sure Michaels so to be Fat had
quite the feused it with quite a big few names, especially for how it's
how about the gimmick was? I mean, what do you remember about it?
Okay, the Spirit Squad, I remember they were allowed kind of annoying,
and I guess that may have been a way for them to give some
cheap heat or to get some cheap heat, I guess I should say,
but realistically, that's another one of those where you just look at it and
you just go whose ideal was this? I can't see that being any sort
of a dynasty like Evolution or the Nation of Domination or DX at any point
in their career. I mean, at least one of them made a career
out of it and he's still doing well. I was always, you know
what, I liked Dolf Ziegler while he was RWWE, and with everything going
on TNA, I look forward to what he has to offer. But whatever
that was, at the time, it just seemed like, all right,
we're gonna take these five guys. They might be potentially the best week out
that just came through this new recruiting class. We're just gonna shotgun them in
and hope for the best, is what It kind of seemed like. I
really don't like the gimmick. I never really did, And thinking about it,
You're right, who would be intimidated by that? Who relates to that?
Besides maybe some collegiate cheerleaders. It just makes no sense. I'm I'm
at a loss here, man. All right, do you have any closing
thoughts on the Spirit Squad? I mean, can you believe it that they
beat Big Show and Kane for the type team titles Big Show and Kane,
but the well two of them did. I mean, it's any fad I
name as well. Let's name the members Kenny, Mikey, Johnny, Mitch,
and Nicky. I mean even their names are scary, the individual names.
I'm really scared of Johnny and Mitch. I mean, I better run,
I better go and hide under the ring before they come down and hit
me with their pomp poms and sing some cheerleading songs about me. I mean,
it wasn't going to work. It wasn't going to be scary. I
mean, I can't say it wouldn't work, because it did work for a
bit, But my point is it weren't going to work long term. And
Dolf Zigler Nick Nemuth is the one, the only one really who lasted around.
I mean Kenny had a little go after remember him being on SmackDown for
a while. But other than that, yeah, they went great. All
right, I just got one quick question for you before we move on to
my next guy. Did you ever see the kid's movie Hoodwinked? Because I
remember there was a part in it that near the end, the main villain
finally reveals himself and everything and he starts going through all of his henchmen and
telling him what to do. When he gets to warm him, he goes,
Keith, Damn, change your name, man, it's not scary Keith,
watch out for Keith. That's all that I can think of with everything
that we just talked about. But all right, so next on my list
the Shockmaster, the guy who we could have probably called him a stormtrooper because
he actually wore a stormtrooper helmet and even worse it was been dazzled and he
crashed through a wall for his tabut and the helmet came off. Now,
the person behind the mask was actually a very good wrestler, very talented,
very respected, but this character, they gave him a goofy voice, probably
one of the goofiest gimmicks possible, and it is going to always be remembered
as one of the funniest debuts that you could ever see. Where he just
shoots through that wall, those fake bricks, You see them go flying,
you see him trip over it, he falls on his face in that mask.
Well, the helmet itself just falls off, and that is the most
memorable thing about him, sadly, and maybe the fact that later on they
kind of brought it back as the super shock Master. I don't know what
they were trying to do with that necessarily, besides maybe try to use the
character a little bit more, because I don't know, they probably already owned
the rights and decided, what we can't afford to make up anything else right
now, let's try to add a little bit more to this other thing and
maybe it'll get over. But as we all know, it went nowhere because
what was there? Nobody cared. It is funny though they decided, well,
we got this movie prop helmet, what if we been tasseling. I
think it's super shiny for everyone you see, and then maybe it'll work.
Yeah, that's really scary. The dazzled Stormtroopers, Scully, I know you
have to remember this talk about Buddy. I remember the big, littery,
sparkly helmet, and I remember him walking through the paper walls and falling through
it and falling on his but and his helmet falling off, and him looking
like a clown. Well not literally, but he looked pretty silly. And
I don't know why they thought this character would work. But again, it's
more entertaining than the Stormtrooper. But that's that's all the props I can give
it totally fair man. You know, I wonder if they could have potentially
led to Darth Paige for making an appearance as well. Maybe just the whole
Star Wars cast could have been a part of it. Maybe they would have
had some sort of weird version of Jedi that wouldn't have made any sense for
some reason. W c W would have said, that's it, that's what
we need, all right. I digress on that onto your next one there,
Skully. So my next one, I'm gonna choose Dave Sullivan. So,
Dave Sullivan, the dyslexic brother of Kevin Sullen, who regularly mispronounced his
own full name as Evard. I mean, it reminds me a bit of
Eugene, a little bit like, but I think Eugene was more successful,
and obviously it was the years later. I didn't see how this was going
to work. I mean, apparently he hated hult Cogan, but yet he
sort of dressed like him, if that makes sense. So like at first
he was his biggest fan, well, Dave Sullivan was his biggest fan,
Hult Cogan's biggest fan, but Kevin hated hult Cogan, so and then therefore
it would make sense to make some weird finger on between the three of them.
And I don't know. I don't get why they thought this was going
to work, But I don't know what you remember about it. Ah.
This is one of those gammikes that I feel like it's just disrespectful in all
honesty to take something that's almost like a disability in a way and then use
that or a just learning disability, I believe, so to use that as
a gimmick and then throw it out there and be like, you know,
here we go and basically have this guy get made fun of in promos and
whatnot. It almost feels like you're making fun of everybody that has that.
Do you really think people are going to want to keep tuning into that or
are they going to turn it off and say f that company. I don't
see why you would think anybody would really relate to that. In fact,
I feel like more people would feel repulsed by that a dyslexic character, Like
if they would have done it right and maybe not made it as comical,
Okay, it could have sort of worked. It could have. Or maybe
if they were just took one of their wrestlers and like made it a big
revealed thing like, oh yeah, he actually has dyslexia, but he doesn't
really let it affect him, still doing great things. Look at them.
It would have been a positive thing. And so they made a whole character
around he's dyslexic and he can't even say his own name. Right, that's
just sad. I really don't like that. But okay, so any closing
thoughts on if it's a litle bit, Now that I've got my rant out
about that, I totally agree with you. It was disrespectful to like people
who actually suffer with dyslexia. I mean, like it's not therefore they got
it. And then here they are making up some character pretending he's got it
and pretending to be the biggest fan of whole Cogan and then pretending to fall
in love with Kimberly and then have a feud with Diddp. I mean,
like what the hell is that? I mean, like, why did they
think this would work? I'm not so twised eventually left because it was never
going to be a long term thing, like we've established with a lot of
these gimmicks. I mean, imagine like one of these people who we spoke
about becoming like the face of the company, the champion, who was never
going to work with it. So what is the point of all of these
characters who've spoke about agreed man? So because you brought up that character,
I'm going to bring up a character that he didn't last very long at all.
So this gimmick was actually Jim Knightheart in a mask from what I've heard,
and the character's name was who that was it? And the whole point
was so that while he was wrestling, there could be a bunch of dumb
jokes from the commentary table. So you had Vince and I believe Jerry Lawler's
going back and forth with a bunch of dad jokes about who who who Who?
Yeah who? That's all it really was. This. I don't even
know what to describe this gimmick as besides what the whole point was. It
was a joke. There's nothing else to it, and honestly, it wasn't
going to go anywhere. This is just one of those that didn't even deserve
the screen time. Put a mask on Jim Knightheart and just make a bunch
of bad jokes, which I'm all for dad jokes, but come on,
man, that was just bad idea? Whose idea was this? Scully?
Do you know who? What? When? Why? Who are you on
about? Sorry? Yeah, exactly who? But yeah, I digress.
I think there's not really much to be said about this guy, but I
just wanted to throw him in because that's one of my least favorite gimmicks that
has happened. So on the next one, Scully, let's get through.
Yeah, well, this one was very awkward, very dodgy, very what's
the word very cringey? Beaver cleavage, I mean, what was they thinking?
So headbangers Frashier and Mosh, who were a successful tag team. I
mean I went a fan of them as such, but there was a successful
tag team and then Fresher get to knee injury, so they decide to make
Mosh be this weird obsessed, fetish mom loving weird though, and yeah it
was really weird, Like did our exchange sexual INNDROS? I mean, I
mean missus cleavage his so called mother would offer Beaver some mother's milk when he
complained that his cereal was dry. I mean, he really didn't last long
at all. I think it was quickly scrapped. I mean, I don't
know why they thought it was a good idea. But on that note,
I also heard that fincer Man wanted to do speaking of this sort of topic,
fince that Man wanted to do some weird thing with Stephaniemmn, his own
daughter. I also read so rich. I'm glad they didn't do that because
this was bad enough. Okay, lord, I I don't even think I
want to know what he wanted gimmick wise with his daughter. That just sounds
strange. But gimmick was a disaster, and I'm glad that they figured out
very quickly it was not going well and nobody liked it. And I believe
I also heard that after that gimmick went down, they also came up with
another gimmick for the member of the Headbangers that you're talking about, where they
decided, okay, let's give you almost like a abusive relationship sort of gimmick,
And apparently that ended with finding out that the woman in the relationship with
him was actually lying and he never did hit her, but she was faking
it and like putting on makeup to make it look like she had black eyes
and everything from him. But both of those gimmicks, what the heck were
they doing? Why whose idea was it to just say, Okay, we're
gonna give you this really awkward one, man, can you handle it?
And then as soon as they back after, it's like, hey, that
didn't really work so well? How about this one instead? Do you think
you can handle this one? Both just as bad? Well, the first
one definitely worse. Why would you want an incest sort of gimmick on your
TV, even for like Attitude? That's really no, that's beyond weird for
Attitude. I don't even know what time period that would fit into. I
don't think if it's in any time period. That's just strange. And then
to go from there to the abusive relationship gimmick that he ended up in.
I guess that one kind of worked more for Attitude ere I could see it
happening, but maybe not the way that they did it, you know what
I mean? Man, I mean it could have worked, just not the
way that they played it out. To have the fake abuse thing spouse is
actually lying and then change things up. I guess that could have panned out
a little bit better, but god, different cleavage. That's a that's a
rough one, dude. But all right, So last one on my list
Moppy, Oh, poor Perry Saturn, this dude. So from what I've
heard, this whole thing was a punishment gimmick, and sadly it was the
gimmick that got him the most over in w W, even though he was
very, very talented, and the man had to pretend he fell in love
with a mop? Do I need to say more? How low in your
career can you go than pretending to be in love with you the mop?
I understand it was a punishment, but man, that is rough. Can
you imagine you go to your job and your boss is like, hey,
man, you really messed up last week. You have to pretend to be
in love with that broom over there. That's all your fault. You have
to dance with it, you have to love it, you have to kiss
it. Who's sixth sense of humor besides Vince's could come up with us?
That is. It's cruel and unusual punishment, in my opinion, and I
absolutely just hate that they did it to him. He went into it wholeheartedly.
At least he tried. I'll give him that, but man, maby,
I just hated that. Scully. I think you probably remember MAPI more
than I do. And you probably know more about Perry Saturn than I do
as well, So take the reins, my friend, let's get through it.
Yeah, Perry sat In a very good wrestler, did good in w
CW. Comes to the WW with the Malnka and Eddie Guerrero obviously and Benore
and yeah, at first it was all good, and then, as you
said, he got punished apparently, and then he asked to pretend he loves
him. I mean, the mop had a cute little face on it,
and he'd sit with it, he is, breakfast with it, and then
probably I don't know, clean the floor with it and then go and dance
to it. I don't know. But it was weird, but it was
quite popular. The weird thing was he did quite well with it and it
did actually get a reaction, and like these other ones we spoke about,
but yeah, it was. It was this terrible idea for someone so talented
as Perry Saturn. And I believe he's had some demons recently for a while
and he's I think he's trying to get over that in real life. But
yeah, that was just maybe keep streaming of a mop. I don't know,
but I don't know a bit like El Snow and the Head. I
don't know why they thought it was a good idea. I mean, also
when the Head did kind of well, I mean, the demographic definitely got
behind it, and it was definitely better than his prior gimmicks. If you
guys don't know about his gimmicks before that WWE, they were kind of rough.
But all right, so mappy man that was I just hate that they
really gave that to them, But hey, he got over with it.
But anyways, all right, do you know toy story saying that do you
reckon? They got four K? They got the idea for four ky for
Moppy and it's a fork and a But they put a little face on the
foot, didn't they? Scully your genius be right, you might be onto
something. Can you imagine they were watching w W and they thought let's use
that. Yeah, later it finally comes into effect. All right, man,
bring it home. Let's end this one, okay, So last and
making our twentieth is it our twentieth? Name is Kerwin White. I mean,
I don't know why they did this, but as we all know,
Chavo Guerra related to Eddie Gerra, his nephew they had a great career as
the lost Guerrero's. Obviously, Chavo went from face to heal Healed's face.
But then they decided that he should have a new gimmick and he was called
Kerwin White. And I don't know why they thought this would be a good
idea. I mean, after he was battered by the Mexican faction, the
Mexicos, he changed his personal to occurring white, a stereotypical middle class white,
conservative Anglo American man. He dyed his hair blonde, and he drove
a golf cart to the ring, which had golf clubs in the back.
Obviously, and soon after he made his date debut, he started making suggestive
remarks towards African Americans, Hispanics, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and other
non week white people, specifically directed towards Shout and Benjamin. So basically he
was a racist character. He even thought about being in the Ku Klux Klan
and stupid things like that. He hired we spoke about him earlier. He
hired Dolfzigler aka Nick Nemmuv at some point help him in these matches as his
caddy. But yeah, I don't think having a racist on TV was going
to end, well, what did you think of Kerwin White? Kerwin White's
character? How do I put this? I guess maybe they thought this could
be a way to get heat from anybody who was maybe just looking past the
heel character that he personified, because let's be real, man, he was
a pretty good heel for a long time. I mean, I have some
respect for him as a heel. Even when they gave him some kind of
crappy matches and everything and made his gimmick more or less of a joke,
he still kind of held on and still did what he felt he needed to
do, and he still went in the ring and did his thing. But
man, Herwin White, just that he denounced his heritage and decided he was
white. That's just dumb. I have no other real words or insight on
it. Besides, you took what's kind of personifying him in the ring because
he obviously has that a Guerrero heritage going for him. That's a huge deal.
And you're just gonna say, yeah, he doesn't want to be associated
with that anymore. He's gonna be you know, he's gonna act like he's
just a straight white guy now and be the very stereotypical, rich white boy
type of stereotype. I'm not entirely sure whose idea that could have been.
You know, maybe it was his own, and maybe he just thought,
you know, this could be funny to make fun of. Whoever. But
you know what, it's in the past. I'm glad that it's staying there.
I hope no character could be even close to that. Ever. Again,
all right, Scully, we're at our twenty, so you have any
closing costs for us? Man, Well, this was quite fun. I
was gonna say one little quote about Chavo Guerra what you pitched to Fince,
But I think we've said everything we need to say now. Yeah, this
was a fun episode. I mean, we've got to speak about the childish,
pathetic, silly, and there's no there's no army in being silly as
long as it's entertaining. And I don't think most of these was totally agree
man. I mean, there's a certain line between comedy and just not good
ideas. Man. I mean, You're can have Hornswail, you can have
Santino Morella, you can have many comedy wrestlers that knew what they were doing,
but a lot of these guys. Man, it just looked bad or
it just wasn't a good idea from the start. But anyways, so if
you guys enjoyed this, I highly recommend you guys also go over and go
to the Wrestle Lania YouTube channel. They had a video covering this very well
with I believe a hundred of just the worst gimmicks in wrestling history. So
highly recommend you got to give a shout out to them, because this is
honestly where some of the inspiration came from with this not gonna lie. I
saw the video and we started talking about it more and we thought let's try
it ourselves and let's just explain it for the viewers. But uh, all
right, so any closing thoughts, any shout outs you want to give their
stilly just the big shout out to everyone and listens to the ww podcast and
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