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Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented
by fan Tracks. Here's your source of

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information and analysis to help you win
your fantasy hockey league. Block off hot

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a step hit on, staylock block. Here's your host, Jesse Souvier and

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Victor Nunho is the Hockey Live back
once again. Victor Nuno VP ring side

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Jesse Severe paying tracked Victor. How
you doing today? I'm doing awesome,

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Jesse. I am decked out and
my San Francisco forty nine Ers gear for

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the first time this season. And
there okay they yeah, yeah, it's

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all right, Victory. You are
suffering in other sports, you deserve success

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in one of them. Even though
I've always been a I've always been a

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forty nine Ers dislike her. I
will admit irrational disliker of the forty nine

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ers because I grew up in an
era where they were absolutely dom and they

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kept destroying my teams. But that
era is far past. It's probably time

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to forgive and forget. And they
have a fun team. Yeah, they're

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a bunch of likable dudes too.
I think I don't know that Montana,

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Rice and Taylor and Craig and all
those guys were unlikable. But man,

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these guys are fun, especially Debo
and the great story with the mister Irrelevant.

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They're just like it seems a good
story to root for even if you're

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behavior so I think you can come
around, Jesse. It's okay. I'll

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give you permission. I yeah.
I And as a native Ioland even though

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Iowa State is my alma maters our
trival. That's where brock Purty came from.

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And I enjoy the fact that the
last team that really absolutely destroyed Brock

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Party were the iowahaw Gyes because pretty
much since he's been a pro, he's

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been unstoppable. But Iowa got him
benched at halftime when they were playing Iowa

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State. You know, I like
that. The same thing happened to Ben

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Roethlisberger. The last bad game Ben
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was against the Hawkeyes. Nobody looked
us up. This is the way I

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remember things, and if I'm wrong, I don't want to know. But

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Victor, that's okay. Our memories
can be what they are, but our

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current enjoyment of fantasy hockey should be
what it is. Boy that was tortured,

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there are places to come and hang
out and talk about your fantasy hockey,

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and they include our discord where you
can join free. It's a free

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discord and there's lots of good chatter
going on at all times, and we

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encourage more. We encourage people to
come in and just talk some fantasy hockey.

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It's a good environment. As other
social media becomes less and less,

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a good environment to interact with people
that you maybe don't know. Our discord

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remains an island of hope in a
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do to join is hit Victor myself
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you to do it on next at
fan Hockey Life is me at Victor New

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twelve is Victor. But you can
also just email us if that's not your

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thing, Fantasy Hockeylife at gmail dot
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but you can kick it up next
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going on there. Once you tell
people about the Patreon, Yeah, we

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have a Patreon and if you're like
the show, want some extra perks,

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you can check it out. We
have patroon casts. I've been doing these

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with Breddy Shane and really having some
new kind of content that's desired by the

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patrons and flushing that out a little
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spoiler alert, we're hoping to have
a really big update in the next month

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or so, stay tuned for that. But we have those rankings. The

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Tidy the Tier Dynasty, which you're
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It's a really fun league with some
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dedicated managers. So if you like
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way to get in. And we
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be able to get a team this
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Fantasy Hockey Life. Yeah, it's
they are. What are the eighteen team

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leagues, Victor the Tidy am I
remembering that right, sixteen or eighteen something

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like that. So there's ninety teams. There's eighty ninety teams across this thing,

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so obviously you get that many people
together, you're going to have a

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couple of people who flake out and
sixteen teams per so I think it's eighty

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teams total across the divisions of tidy, so it's ninety six right now.

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Oh it's ninety six. Yeah,
we got six divisions, so ninety six

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teams there's going to be. But
the real miracle of it is how few

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teams are having trouble and how many
teams are competing. So it really is

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a great opportunity to get in.
And yeah, we're always looking for somebody

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to be on standby to be able
to take over. And it's dynasty,

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so you can always rebuild. It's
not like taking over a redraft team halfway

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through the season, where what the
heck's the point? Sometimes, Victor,

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that's not all. The Patreon is
one thing, but we also have something

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exciting ready to pop because it is
the month of December. What is it,

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Victor, what's our most favorite time
of year, and that, of

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course is now the World Junior Championship, That's what we're talking about, which

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happens right on Boxing Day, right
after Christmas, and it's a really fun

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time. All our favorite prospects generally
except the ones that are killing it in

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the NHL. Sorry to guys like
Conna Burdard, Kevin Korchinski, Logan Cooley

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won't be there because they're doing great. But we get to see all our

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favorite prospects go best on best and
it's a really fun tournament. A lot

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of us follow it, and we're
doing a World Junior pool just for fun

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and bragging rights. We got a
couple of previous champs that are gonna put

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their weight and put their belt on
the line. But if you want to

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get in this just to hit it, go on the discord and there's a

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World Junior channel. Our buddy Anthony
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be helping organize this, and our
buddy Dolan, who does amazing stuff with

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spreadsheets, is going to help us
organize that draft. So check that out.

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I think right now we're almost full
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we'll open another one if there's enough
interest. We just want to have people

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a space to have some fun.
I think we altered the format a little

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bit because there was a little bit
of last year. There was it was

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a little frustrating with some of the
format, but we had I think two

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D and I think we're going to
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I can't remember exactly, but it'll
be in there. Come check it out

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and be be part of the fun. Yeah, if you don't know,

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because I think Victor this is exciting
to me. I think we are getting

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listeners who are stepping in and just
learning this prospect stuff for the first time.

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I know that in the for sport
that we started, there's some people

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who are listening to this who don't
have a lot of hockey experience. If

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you don't know what the World Juniors
is, it's March madness for Canadians,

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folks. Basically, the then diagram
of people who don't I don't know what

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the World Juniors is overlaps with the
Venn diagram of people that don't know what

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boxing day is. That's what it's
a double negative. It makes more sense

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if you say it the positive,
but it's not as funny. Yeah,

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you should tune into it because it
would give you a little extra juice,

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a little extra excitement, and it's
free. It's just fun to follow this

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event and see what is up in
the World Juniors because it's nice to have

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some more sports to watch over your
little holiday. Break that you get at

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the end of the year, and
most of you. I don't have to

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convince to watch the World Juniors because
everybody knows it's a lot of fun.

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But Victor, that's enough introductory fund. Let's take a break to come back,

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and we have one to talk as
per is our want this year,

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Victor, we have the format where
we're talking about the x gamers and we're

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going over some of the cool analysis
that you've been doing at ep rnks side

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behind the paywall, mind you,
but for or all of those who maybe

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don't see it or who do see
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it, want to hear us discuss
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the guys you've covered recently at ep
rinkside. We do X gamers, and

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x gamers basically means guys who have
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NHL, but we're trying to decide
how good are they going to become,

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what do we make of the early
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going today. We have three of
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little prospect talk. So his ex
is zero exequel zero. For the fourth

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guy, we're going to talk about
and nonetheless we're starting Victor. I'm excited

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about this with Connor Zeri. Connor, I never lost faith in you,

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buddy. He's a left wing for
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right now. My twenty twenty two
to twenty three Calgary hot take in episode

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two twenty six was that Connor Zera
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six. And I was a year
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Connors. He was my number nine
prospect, earn my number fourteen prospect in

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the first year player draft back in
episode seventies. So I've long been a

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Connor's area fan. I've got him
in multiple leagues, but it's been a

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long wait for him to come up, and I'm so excited that he is

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finally making an impact in the national
hockey. I'm just saying, I've had

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two decent prospect takes in the history
of the show. I can't even remember

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the other. So I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna bask him this one.

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Connor, thank you or making me
look not dumb for once. Yeah,

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the shooting percentage is running a little
hot this year for Connor and it's cool

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down in the last few games as
he is. The early returns of the

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season are backing off a little bit, and he slowed down. I need

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to watch the Calgary game yesterday.
He didn't score, but he's out there

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for plenty of time. But I
ran One of my favorite charts that I've

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been running this year is the evolving
Hockey Goals of a replacement chart. Four

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teams to see who is putting up
the best sort of underlying stat's value for

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the team. And guess what.
Connor Ziri comes out net number one for

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the Calgary Flames the entire roster in
terms of his goals above replacement when you

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add even strength offense, even strength
defense, power playoffense, shorthanded D and

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take away and draw stats. If
you don't believe me, if you're a

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patron, you can go look at
the chart on the show sheet. But

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yeah, yeah, I'm not saying
he's the best player in the Calgary Flames.

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It's not there. But it's great
to see that it's not just the

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optical illusion of the cool prospect that
we're paying attention to, but he's actually

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contributing a lot to what he did. Pops, I said number one on

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the team. That's right, Victor
your witness. Yeah, You've had some

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good takes for sure, but it
is nice to be proven, right.

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I still think you probably your stand
on Dolling Hill is what you'll be most

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remembered for. But this is a
good one. And I've been early on

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many of my takes too. It's
frustrating. You're like, I was totally

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right, but too early. And
yeah, Zari is a really interesting player

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because when he was coming up,
he had some pretty good equivalencies and he

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looked pretty good and the dub he
was playing for Kamloops and he was a

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scorer. He was one of these
junior players who looked really good, but

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he could just skate in and score
or take the pass in one time it.

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He was really effective at that.
But it was a very junior level

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skill set. And that is always
a bit concerning because you're like, he

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looks great, and you go watch
him these junior games and you're like,

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he's amazing, and then you start
to wonder. You start to see as

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he moves up in levels that maybe
that isn't going to translate as well.

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But Zari is one of these exceptions
who basically learned and I'm not exactly sure

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who told him or what the feedback
was, or he figured it out on

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his own, but he basically realized
that he needed to become more of a

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playmaker and he needed to evolve his
skill set. And it's no more evident

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in this than when you look at
Brown's data. And I talked with Mitch

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about this, and there's a great
quote in the article about about this from

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Mitch, who's just such a smart
dude, but he talks about and in

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the data it completely flips for ZERI
in terms of his expected goals and expected

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primary assists. He basically turned into
from a goal scorer to a playmaker,

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and it's like incredible that you can
do that and be elite. He's almost

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a better playmaker now in terms of
some of the data set that you look

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at. Then he was a goal
scorer. So it's I don't know,

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how can you be fantastic at one
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flip the switch and turn into a
different, more complete type of player in

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other areas. That's just that's an
incredible feat. I would say he is

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looking great. He hit a wall
a little bit in his first AHL season,

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but then he also turned that around
and ended up increasing his equivalency.

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When you look at Mitt Mason Black's
PNHL E model, it looked really good

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in the DUB and then it really
tanked in the AHL. But now he's

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looking like a superstar potential based on
his what he's doing in the NHL right

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now. I like his comps to
guys like Dawson Mercer and Asam Kadri.

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I think he could end up being
similarly productive. But I think the other

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thing that's really interesting and important about
Zeri is that he's not just an offensive

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player, like he's actually really good
defensively. His defensive metrics are some of

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the best. You mentioned that a
little bit, but his expected goals against

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for sixty is really high, and
his expected goal differential, even in his

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small sample set in the NHL,
is really good. So that just means

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he's probably going to get more timeline
ice, more opportunity, and yeah,

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I think this Skuy's the limit.
And one thing to think about in a

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situation like this is do you sell
high on a player like this because he's

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probably overperforming. I think even as
much as we like him and believe in

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him. He's not going to shoot
twenty three percent for his career. I

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don't think. I don't know that
anyone ever has done that, So that's

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coming down. His PDO is high. His IPP is like an elite offensive

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player. Guys like Crosby McKinnon can
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I don't know that he's that player, so some of these might come

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down a little bit. But I
still think a lot of what he's doing

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is for real, So I would
caution on the cell high unless you're getting

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like a for sure point per game
type player, even if they're older.

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That's an interesting swap. Would you
swap Sidney Crosby for Connor's area If you're

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in a championship mode and you're only
looking at the next couple of seasons,

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that might be worth it. I
wouldn't trade him for a sixty five point

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player or seventy point player because I
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So yeah, that's he's really fun
though, Jesse, I don't know what

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do you think about that kind of
swap? Would you cash him in for

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anything less than a point per game
play right now? Just because he's rocking

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high percentages. Probably not unless I
had geez, it's so hard because I

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would say if I had a win
now team, there might be some value

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to doing it. But the things
that he's helping you win now, Yeah,

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it really is. If you think
that there's a little optical allusion to

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this, or you can find a
Flames fan who is just so excited about

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this finally happening for them, then
maybe you can find the value for it,

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because you could probably find value for
anybody. But right now, no,

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I'm just excited about the Connor Zery
shares that I have. So we're

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gonna We're gonna hang on here,
Victor. We are back to getting the

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Mason Black holes for these guys,
which is exciting, like we did in

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the preseason, and maybe you voted
on them out there, Connor Zery versus

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Ridley Greg of the Ottawa Senators,
So we're matching guys who have had a

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little bit of time in the NHL
now and Mason Black ran the poll,

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Connor Zery out ahead really Greg fifty
basically fifty six to forty four percent on

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one hundred and fifty six votes.
Is that that is the way that I

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think I would go because I'm not
quite sure that Rially Greeg is on the

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level of what we're seeing right now
from Connor Ziri. But is that what

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you would do too, Yeah,
definitely. And we talked about Greg on

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the episode with David Saint Louis about
how he's a guy that's made it at

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every level, even though so there
was some skepticism, and I think he's

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a decent asset and he's obviously he's
looking like at a n hlor But one

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of the things that David pointed out, which is happening right now, is

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that he's happened already. He's often
injured because of his play style, and

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so I would always be a little
worried about investing in someone like really grig

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just because it seems like the kind
of guy that you're going to miss large

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swaths of time to minor little injuries. It may not be major, but

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just being banged up, just missing
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at a time here and there is
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On the other hand, if you
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and just him in and stream somebody
that that's probably fine. But the reality

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is that I think that counnors Aera
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is a much better real life player. But I also think he's probably a

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better fantasy asset because he is going
to demand more power play time. I

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believe based on his shot and his
playmaking skills, he's maybe not as rough

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and tumble as Zeri. As Zeri's
a little more of a finesse player.

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He has only six hits in seventeen
games, so he does that a little

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bit, but nothing like the eighteen
hits in twelve games that Greg has.

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Definitely more bash for Greg, but
I definitely think that Arry is a better

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player. I'm surprised it's this close. Maybe that's just because Greg has been

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around a little bit longer and maybe
people aren't quite believing so much in what

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Zeri is doing. But if you
just look at his PNHLI, it's also

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a lot higher. So I also
wonder if people just look at what Mason

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puts for the PNHLI and then just
pick that player, because in this case,

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series is higher. But I think
that's also legitimate based on his as

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well. Yeah, for sure.
Moving on our next guy to talk about

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today, Mason mc tavish. You
wrote about the Anaheim centerman over there at

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DP rings side, and he's burning
it up in year two, hasn't yet

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hit his twenty first birthday, and
yet scoring nearly a point per game.

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For those frisky Anaheim Ducks, scoring
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then he went out with an upper
body injury. But over his career,

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yeah, he's point per game this
year, first one hundred and thirteen games

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in the NHL, he's got a
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so he's got more points than that. But he's basically on track as

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a fifteen point player already as a
twenty year old over at the court.

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And if you look at the Anaheim
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is that his defense is not quite
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producing at a decent level. But
he's not alone. Trevor Segres is even

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worse on defense according to some of
these advanced statistic all forwards after the three

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years of Mason mctavish's career. But
I got to say, Victor Mason McTavish

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is somebody. He came out with
the excitement of his play talk about the

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World Juniors we talked about earlier,
and the amazing play that he made at

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the World Juniors last year, and
just the talent that we've seen flashed at

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this age. Fact that Anaheim is
still going to need a top six center

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to go along with Leo Carlson,
it looks like Trevor Zegers's destined for a

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wing position. I got to think
that there's a point per game season in

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his future somewhere. That's maybe the
kind of trajectory that it feels like Mason

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mctaviash might be on. Are you
a McTavish stand still after a little bit

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of a slow started his career,
But geez, give him a break.

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The guy's been playing at eighteen and
nineteen and twenty, Victor Or is Mason

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McTavish a name that is not necessarily
going to rate out the way it started.

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I think some people would push back
on your claim that I'm a McTavish

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stand because I seem to have him
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little lower in some of my rankings. One of them he's passed one hundred

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game thresholds. I usually I cut
people off at that point and he's not

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on my ranks anymore, but I
had him quite a bit lower. And

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I think one of the things that's
true about that, or that's difficult about

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that, is that he had such
a weird development curve, and it was

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because it was not necessarily his fault. He was in the affected by COVID.

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He was in the OHL. So
he had his draft minus one season

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and it was really good, and
then he basically they didn't play in his

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draft season. So he went to
second division Switzerland once once they finally realized

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and if you remember, if everyone
remembers back to that time, but a

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lot of people thought the Ohl was
going to play. They were going to

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play, they were going to play, they were gonna have a short season,

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and then finally they didn't, and
all these players needed to find somewhere

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to play, so it was challenging. There weren't enough spots, so he

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found what he could find and he
played thirteen games and had eleven points.

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But it was the league that we
didn't really have a lot of equivalency,

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and more importantly, not a lot
of scouts were there to have eyes on

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this second division Swiss team, so
no one really knew. And then he

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had an incredible under eighteen World Junior, so it was just who knows,

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right, like, what's happening?
And then his Draft plus one season,

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he spent some time with the Ducks, he spent some time with the goals.

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He then he went back to Peterborough, and then he got traded to

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Hamilton, and then he played at
the World Juniors, and he played at

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the Olympic Games. He played a
lot of hockey, but it was like

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fragmented in all these different places,
so it was still hard to know exactly

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what to expect. He looks incredible
playing against his age group peer you mentioned

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and the iconic World Junior. Although
I have a clip about that in my

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article, and if you look at
that Kip clip closely, what happened before

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that? He saved the goal on
the goal line, He made three horrific

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mistakes that could have ended the game. And then no one's going to remember

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that ever except that I put it
in my video. But no one cares

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about that because he saved the game
and then Canada won. But it could

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have gone very differently from mcavis.
His what we remember him by and his

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lore could have been the guy who
gave the puck up and cost Canada the

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gold medal. That could be what
we remember him for. And there were

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three chances for that to happen and
he and it didn't. So anyways,

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it's just interesting. But then last
season was his first full like in the

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a NHL the whole time, and
it was weird. It wasn't necessarily the

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best. Anaheim is going through some
things, but had a forty four point

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pace in eighty games. And I
think what's really interesting about all this is

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that, yeah, he's known as
this or he has this, the idea

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of being like a good two way
player. And in his first season,

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his first full season, last season
in the NHL, he was middle of

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the pack in terms of his course
he against. But it seems like this

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season, whether they've asked him to
or he has tried to be more of

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an offensive player, he has done
that and he has almost point per game,

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seventy two point pace. It looks
like he's going to be close to

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point per game player. But he
is literally the worst to forward on the

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Anaheim Ducks. His cours he against
is horrible, It's epically bad. He's

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three times as bad as Frank Vitrono
who's having a fantastic offensive scene it,

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but he's the next worst, and
it's really epically bad. I don't really

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believe that he's this bad. I
think that he's probably cheating for offense or

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trying to be more of that score, trying to give the team what they

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need. It's difficult in situations like
this. Right the team is struggling,

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you try to help them score,
and then you give up a little bit

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defensively. I'm sure he can play
better defensively. We've seen it, but

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also we've seen I've seen another people
have seen when he tries a little too

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hard. Sometimes he makes some big
blunders and right now it's okay. But

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on a competitive Ducks team, which
I think is not too far away,

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he can't be doing that stuff and
he's got to really learn how to figure

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it out. So it's an interesting
case. I still feel like we don't

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really know what to expect from McTavish
because we haven't had a consistent enough sample

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size at this point. He is
playing in one league consistently since the beginning

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of last season, and that's good, so we can see, but we're

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still only one hundred and thirteen games
into that experiment, so we don't really

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know, but I do think this
is a player who has all the talent

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and can certainly be that point per
game plus player, and I wouldn't be

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trading him, but I do think
that he needs to he needs to figure

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out what his role is. I
don't think he's going to be the top

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line center earlier Carlson, so he's
probably a two C. He's probably a

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two C that's on the top power
play though, because I think he has

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to be there, Like not all
second line centers are. Sometimes it's the

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top line center and then winger or
something. But him being on that top

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power play long term is going to
be the difference between him being a sixty

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five point guy and a point per
game player. And I think the Ducks

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will put him there because he has
the shot, he has the tenacity to

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recover pucks, like, there are
really good reasons to have him there.

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But if he somehow didn't make it
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then that would be really bad for
him. So a lot of this kind

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of bakes in what the long term
projection is him being by carl behind Carlson

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long term. Zegrets probably being his
winger, or maybe Carlson's winger is tough

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to say, or maybe they load
up and it's Carlson McTavish secrets. That's

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possible too. A lot of still
unknowns, but no, I think that

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he's cooking a little hot right now, as I think most people would agree

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with to some extent. But he
still is really good, and once he

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can round out his defensive game and
be a little bit more consistent and the

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Ducks are a little bit better,
I think not the sky's the limit,

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but I think he certainly should be
in that point per game plus conversation perennially

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and Mason Black, just to prove
that he's Mason Black, just to prove

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that he's out here to tweak you. Victor has put Mason McTavish up against

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a guy who I know you're a
stan of or have been at least quintin

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Buyfield, the guy who you know
definitely is finally showing out what he can

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do at the NHL level. And
part of it is they by all accounts

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that he's been allowed to play not
the centiment role, and it's been freeing

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him up to do some things.
So he's up against Mason McTavish in this

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competition. But it looks like he's
getting disrespected Victor, because Mason mctaviash by

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almost a two to one margin,
sixty six or thirty four is out ahead

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of Quintin Buyfield in this much voted
upon result. The disrespect for mains Victor

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or mister Buyfield. Do you disagree
with this result and stick with your guy?

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Of course I'm going to take Buyfield. I'm a Byfield Stan till the

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day I die. Darn. I
love that guy. And it was really

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funny. I was arguing with someone
on Twitter about how good he is and

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how making a joke like how could
we have known he's going to be this

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good? And the King still took
him second overall and I'm like, yeah,

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but the Rangers didn't. And that
pisses me off still because he should

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have been the top player taken in
that draft. I said it then,

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I stand by it now. I
still think he's a better player than la

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Fernire's a better He's a more impactful
player to the team. But yeah,

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it is interesting. He's one hundred
and twenty three games into his NHL career

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and sicky similar compared to compared to
where mccavish is at one hundred and thirteen.

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Similar that way, but he was
drafted a year earlier. McTavish made

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it a little bit sooner. And
remember the Byfield was really young, so

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basically he could be They're only a
few months apart. They could have been

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drafted in the same year. But
anyways, it is an interesting comparison.

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It also is interesting because McTavish might
follow Byfield's path in terms of sliding over

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the wing at some point, and
that has been something we saw in La

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with the strength down the middle,
And as soon as they acquired Dubois,

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knew Buyfield wasn't going to be a
center, at least not anytime soon,

403
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because there's no reason to play him
on the fourth line. He's got three

404
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great centers in Copauitar, Denot and
Dubois, and so he's gonna be a

405
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winger. And as much as that
sounds easy and centers can play wing,

406
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it isn't always easy for guys who
are used to playing down the middle and

407
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are used to being involved in all
the action to all of a sudden be

408
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out on the periphery. It isn't
as easy as it sounds. Some players

409
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struggle with that because they just they
want to have all the puck touches,

410
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they want to take the face offs, they want to be involved. I

411
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don't know if their analogies to other
sports, but I know that in baseball,

412
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like catchers, pitchers are involved in
every play and then you're sitting down

413
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on right field and sometimes you fall
asleep, So maybe that's maybe that's something

414
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similar. But I know that the
wingers can sometimes check out a little bit,

415
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but he hasn't. Byfield has been
fantastic, and yes, the streak

416
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is going right now as we speak, twenty one points in twenty four games.

417
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And what's more important to me is
Buyfield has looked like the guy that

418
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we thought he could be. In
the last game, he like skated down

419
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on a really good defender I think
it was Kaden Gooli, and he just

420
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,839
dipped his shoulder and just went around
him, just used his body, his

421
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,480
physicality protected the puck tapping goal.
It was like, Yes, this is

422
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the guy that we thought he could
be at the NHL level, and he's

423
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got the big frame, he's got
the soft hands. I just think that

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the upside is still higher with Buyfield. Although I think you'd be happy with

425
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either of these guys, so there
isn't really too much difference, but I

426
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do think the I do think that
Quentin Buyfield at the very top, can

427
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still be a ninety plus point player, and I'm not sure how much higher

428
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:59,160
mccavish's ceiling is then point per game. I think he's probably in that seventy

429
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five to eighty five point range.
If everything goes right, I'm sure he

430
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,759
might be able to spike up more. So I think we're probably splitting hairs

431
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here in terms of the difference.
I'm a little surprised that the poll is

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so lopsided toward mc tavish, but
I also think that was before Buyfield really

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00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,480
came on. This poll was actually
from a couple of weeks ago when I

434
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,599
first wrote this article, and I
would write a Byfield article, but there's

435
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,359
already been a bunch written about him
on EP. So go check out all

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00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160
the great work from my colleagues,
including a great videos. I think it

437
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,880
was by dem who did that,
and Dimitri Philipovic did a really great kind

438
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,920
of essay narrative essay and with tweets
and video, So check that out because

439
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:41,359
it's really fun watching watching all that
First of all, I'm shook that you

440
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,359
made a baseball analogy. We're spreading
out Victor's interests, and I almost couldn't

441
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,799
get back to listening to the take
Victor because I was thriving on that so

442
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:56,319
much. But a centerment, as
to state the obvious for you fantasy players

443
00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,519
out there, centermen more valuable in
real life, a winger more valuable in

444
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:07,319
fantasy. So that's another that's another
way to choco up one or mister Byfield

445
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,440
mixed up. Morgan Frost, our
third of these X gamers today, Philadelphia

446
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,119
winger, and you wrote about him. He's not quite having the age twenty

447
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,000
four season that I, at least
I had hoped for after that age twenty

448
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,599
three season where it looked like he
was really breaking out. I'm contractually obligated

449
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,680
every time something changes for the words
for a Flyers player to decide whether to

450
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,799
blame it on John Tortorella, because
that's what we all do. But I

451
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,799
don't know if that's necessarily fair.
Although I don't know that he's necessarily getting

452
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,319
all the love there right now,
or he's necessarily out of the doghouse his

453
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:47,759
I pulled his career impacts charts,
and it is not necessarily trending up.

454
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:52,279
The power play is looking down,
although his defense seems to be looking up

455
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,039
a little bit and his deployment is
not terrible for what it has been in

456
00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,720
the past. But I don't know. I'm a little less optimist stick about

457
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:05,720
Frost than I was this time last
year. And he's twenty four, so

458
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,440
he's starting to hit the end of
the funnel and we start to wonder what

459
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,720
he is ultimately going to become.
Now as far as the surface stats of

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00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,319
what he's getting this year, I
should say, six points in seventeen games.

461
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,559
That is not at the forty six
points that he got last year in

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00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:28,880
eighty one. So that's where I'm
coming from there. Victor is Morgan Frost

463
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,720
a guy who is still going to
have an impact? What do you think

464
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:35,599
of this guy? He is an
interesting case and that's why I wanted to

465
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:39,400
write about him. And at the
time, I decided he was getting healthy

466
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:45,119
scratched and he was. Yeah,
he seemed like he was completely in Tortorella's

467
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,200
doghouse, which was really frustrating because
if you looked at his underlying numbers,

468
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,440
they really weren't that bad. Some
of his defensive metrics were actually pretty decent.

469
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,599
I think he'd suffered from that thing
that he would maybe make some obvious

470
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,759
mistake and it was so visible,
or maybe it was like I want to

471
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:06,119
make an example, or I don't
know, I'm not on the bench,

472
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,240
but it seemed like there were some
specific things that he were doing. It

473
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:13,359
was doing that was really pissing Tortorella
off, and that was causing him to

474
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,640
get healthy scrash, unlimited his ice
time. But when he's out there,

475
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:20,839
he was really impactful. And he's
a really interesting prospect too, because he

476
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,359
had some really high equivalent since in
the O. I think one of the

477
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,119
biggest things that has maintained though with
him is that he never was like the

478
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,440
most aggressive or physical player. He's
always been more of a finesse player.

479
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,279
And I think that is something to
think about as scout and you look at

480
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,359
these players, is that if they're
I don't want to use the word soft,

481
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,880
because that's a four letter word for
hockey players, right, you don't

482
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,799
ever want to be called soft.
But his game lacks a little urgency and

483
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:51,519
aggressiveness at times, but man,
he is so creative and he anticipates the

484
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,039
play he knows where players are,
and you're seeing this in the NHL.

485
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,920
It's not like he was only doing
that in junior. He I have some

486
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,359
tweets in the article where he no
looka is. He kind of spins and

487
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,640
turns, knows exactly where his teammates
are for tapping goals like that kind of

488
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,840
offense. You can't teach that.
That's been innate skill. You have to

489
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,960
have that to some extent, and
he does and he's shown it. And

490
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,559
maybe some of the lack of effort
or intensity defensively has limited his deployment,

491
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:20,639
but if you look at the underlying
data, it really doesn't track as bad

492
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,800
as it has seemed in terms of
his deployment and opportunities, So that's been

493
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,960
frustrating. I do still think that
one of the things I posited in the

494
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:34,360
article is could Morgan Frost be the
top line center that the Flyers want or

495
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,679
have been looking for long term?
Because Sean Couturier is amazing, but I

496
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,280
don't know how much longer he's gonna
play based on his back injury. And

497
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,679
he seems he's doing great right now
and I hope he plays forever, but

498
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:50,199
he has had long stints where he's
been out and so it's possible that he

499
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,719
doesn't maintain and then who else so
they have down the middle in the pipeline.

500
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,159
The only other guy they really have
is Cutter Gotier, and he's potentially

501
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:00,679
a winger. They want him to
be a center, but he might not

502
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,159
be. Even in college this year. As good as he's been, he's

503
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,119
played some wings, so maybe it
is Frost. And if it's Frost,

504
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,280
and if he gets paired with some
really good play driving wingers, then that

505
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,119
could be amazing for him, right. And he has played some with Konnectney

506
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,960
who helps helps him drive that play
and he's been really good. And Tyson

507
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,760
Forrester, has been playing with him
a lot too. He's been moving around

508
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,920
a little bit sometime with Tippett and
Atkinson. But I think that's the thing

509
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,400
with Frost is that he's never going
to be the best two way guy,

510
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:35,480
so you might need to pair him
with a good play driving winger. He

511
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,440
reminds me a little bit of Shifely
Mark Schifley, not in the sense that

512
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,239
Shifley is more of a goal scorer, but in the sense that he's a

513
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,400
week one see like he's more offensive
and he isn't always the most impactful two

514
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,280
ways, but he's really good offensively, and especially with a couple with a

515
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,519
great winger or two, he could
have an unstoppable line or have a really

516
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,880
amazing line with some great productions.
So I think that's still possible for Frost.

517
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,440
I'm not sure that's the most likely
outcome. He might just end up

518
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,239
being a middle six center that's decent, But I think he's making his case

519
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,039
to stay in the NHL, which
looks very questionable at times, and people

520
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,639
were saying, like, just trade
him so he could get more opportunity elsewhere.

521
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,679
But I think the Flyers would really
regret that if they traded Morgan Frost,

522
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,360
because I do think he still has
a lot of upside left in his

523
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,519
game, and maybe everything that Torrella
is doing is really going to knock some

524
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,480
sense into him and he'll be a
great two way player. I guess that's

525
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,400
so possible too, because most of
that really just comes down to effort,

526
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,639
and I'm not saying that he's not
giving the effort, but maybe it's not

527
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,480
in the right way, or maybe
he needs to learn how to do it

528
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:44,039
better. And as much as people
may dislike Tortorella. He does get the

529
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:45,320
most out of his players. Just
look at what Philly's doing right now.

530
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,599
They were doing way better than everyone
thoughts. Yeah, it's an interesting case

531
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:51,960
with Morgan Frost. I think a
lot of people had written him off,

532
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,960
and that's why I wanted to write
about him, because I think that he

533
00:36:54,079 --> 00:37:00,280
is taking a little bit more flat
than he probably deserves. Yeah, for

534
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:05,199
sure, the competition he is getting
here is Philip Thomasino and the Mason black

535
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,480
Pole, and it's a tale of
two guys who were mildly disappointing this year.

536
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,960
Philip Thomasino is a guy who I
don't know. He feels quad aish

537
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,639
to me because he's done really well
when he's in Milwaukee, and last year

538
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,000
he made a little bit of a
run in the NHL. But this year

539
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,199
his time and ice is down nine
points in twenty games, twelve to fifty

540
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,719
average time and ice, So he's
not necessarily getting everything you'd hope for at

541
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,599
eight. But he he is a
couple years younger. He's only twenty two

542
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,559
compared to Frost being at his age
twenty four season. But the Mason black

543
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,239
Pole would say that people like him
better than Morgan Frost because Philip Thomas won

544
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,840
that poll fifty six point six to
forty three point four. Victor, Is

545
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:55,079
Frost or Thomas your pick of this
duo? Yeah, that's a good one.

546
00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,639
I think if you're talking about the
best high end outcome, I think

547
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:07,159
it's Frost. But is that outcome
likely? I think it's less likely but

548
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,239
more tantalizing. Like I said,
if he could be Matt Fey, Mitchgoff's

549
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,559
centerman, or be on a power
play with Mitchkoff, and I mean,

550
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,199
he is the kind of guy who
can feed no look, passes perfect for

551
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,039
those one timers, and I know
Mitchkoff can finish, so man, that

552
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,599
would be awesome if he could do
that. How likely is that? It's

553
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:29,960
really hard to say. Maybe they
draft a kid, or maybe someone develops.

554
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,119
Maybe they trade for someone who ends
up being that guy, and then

555
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,199
Frost is just left to the wayside, and that's, you know, seems

556
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,239
equally as likely. But I think
I would go Frost just for the upside

557
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,400
here. I really like Tomasino and
I think that he is still someone who

558
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,760
can figure it out, but he's
trending more to be just more of a

559
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,760
middle six kind of guy, and
I don't think that he has that same

560
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,920
upside to be to be a top
line center even a week one. See.

561
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,719
I think that Tomosino is more a
transition player, and I think he's

562
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,679
someone who can be more of this
two way guy. But I'm not sure

563
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,840
he's the finisher and I'm not sure
that he's as good as a playmaker.

564
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,519
So I would take Frost, but
I think it's it's open for a low

565
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:20,039
percentage outcome. Yep. And the
last year we're not really even talking X

566
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:23,360
gamers. We're going onto an article
you wrote on a true prospect, Luca

567
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Cagnoni, and he's a San Jose
Shark d Man fourth Brown pick. This

568
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,880
is an exciting amateur who's really blown
up this year, made a big jump

569
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,559
from his draft capital to his present
performance. Thirty two points in his first

570
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:44,400
twenty five games this year, and
once again heiti ism is the knock on

571
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:49,159
him. He's still only eighteen,
but he's a small fella. And Victor,

572
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,079
I've been reading in the WHL agreement
it says you have to be twenty

573
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:54,360
years old or have four years in
the WHL to go to the EHL.

574
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,159
We're always worried about whether guys are
going to get trapped in the CHL or

575
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,840
one league longer than you would want. But this is a s fourth year

576
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,320
in Portland. I kind of wonder
does that mean that after he plays out

577
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,000
this year, that he would be
free, even as a nineteen year old,

578
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,960
to go to the AHL. That
would sure be nice, at least

579
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:19,719
in my mind, to let him
have that next level of competition to make

580
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,519
the climb. Anyway, fourth round
pick, that's not where you or a

581
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:28,400
lot of the draft analysts had him. You had him much higher, but

582
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:32,400
he did slip to that point.
What's exciting you about this guy, Victor,

583
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,639
other than the fact that there is
hope for somebody coming up for your

584
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:44,920
San Jose blue line. Yeah,
Kegnoi is really an interesting case. And

585
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,480
I talk about this a little bit
in the article. He walked on to

586
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,440
the Portland or walked onto the WHL. He wasn't even drafted, and that's

587
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:58,599
really incredible. And then he basically
earned a job, as you were saying,

588
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,440
you know, he walked on,
played and the winner Hawks gave him

589
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,119
a tryout, and then they signed
him after that and he basically in one

590
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,719
season in his draft minus one season, went from a walk on to basically

591
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,599
a top pairing D or at least
the top four D, and then in

592
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,400
his draft season basically became the guy, the man, which is amazing,

593
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,400
especially considering he's a little undersized,
and he's even undersized for the WHL and

594
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,800
he's five foot nine. He I
don't think he. I think he can

595
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,960
play one more year in the DUB
because that first ten game sample, I'm

596
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,079
not sure that counts. So I
think he has one more year of eligibility.

597
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,400
I'm not sure on that. I
know that they have to be twenty

598
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,960
by December fifteenth to play in the
HL, so I don't think he's gonna

599
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,039
be able to do that next year. But anyways, it is an interesting

600
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:47,719
case and he man. He is
really good at a lot of things,

601
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:54,039
stick manipulation, he's really good offensive
creativity. Defensively is going to be the

602
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,599
issue for him because he is small
at five nine five to ten depending on

603
00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:00,800
what you believe, and he's a
little thin, but he skates really well.

604
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:07,679
He can be relatively physical at times
when he gets against bigger players.

605
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:13,320
It's still a bit of an issue
for him, and that's going to be

606
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:19,000
the issue can he be good enough
defensively to carve out a role. One

607
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,880
of the really interesting things is that
in Mason Black's data set, he has

608
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:30,679
a really strong similarity score to Kialan
Addison Kaylan Addison, who is now the

609
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,440
San Jose Shark and who struggled mightily
to break into the NHL, I think

610
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,920
is fair to say, and the
reason he struggled is because he's a bit

611
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,280
undersized and he's not the most physical, but he's a really good offensive defenceman.

612
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:47,480
And how well did that offense translate? He basically was like a third

613
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,679
pairing sometimes top power play, sometimes
second power play in Minnesota. And that's

614
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,480
why they ended up giving up on
him, because he just wasn't doing enough

615
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,480
at all strengths and all the time. And that is a worry that Kegnone

616
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,039
could be that guy. But hey, for a fourth round pick, you

617
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:06,159
will take the killing Addison outcome any
day. It's a little harder to stomach

618
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,360
as a second round pick, which
is what Adison was. But if you

619
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,320
look at the trajectory on Mason Black's
pinchily, it's like a straight line straight

620
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,800
up, and that isn't very often
in these things. There's another Chase McCollum,

621
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,840
who we just had on the show. He looks at some of these

622
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:27,280
equivalencies too, and basically Luka Cagnoni's
equivalency looks like a superstar. He's breaking

623
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,880
the curve. He hasn't broken out
into the outcomes of bottom pair, top

624
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,159
four, top pair, and his
equivalency is like way above top pair right

625
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,280
now. So things are coming up
roses for him right now. His equivalencies

626
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,360
have doubled in the Hockey Prospecting model. In Mitch's data set, he's like

627
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:50,679
breaking the primary sist per sixty.
And there's some good quotes in here that

628
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,639
I have from Mitch and from our
buddy Joel Henderson, who always is really

629
00:43:54,679 --> 00:44:00,400
insightful and has really good things to
say about him. And I talked a

630
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,400
lot about Kegnoni, and there's some
things that still need to be worked out

631
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,480
for sure, like he's not all
the way there, and he actually has

632
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:08,679
taken a step back. I would
say, even though his production looks better

633
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,639
this year, there's some defensive things
that have some habits that have worsened.

634
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,519
It's a work in progress, but
I think you have to be excited about

635
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,840
the progress. And I have to
also put in. I didn't put this

636
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,159
in the article, but when I
went to the rookie camp scrimmages at the

637
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:30,199
Barracuda Arena, one that when the
prospects all came after the draft, Luca

638
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,239
Cognoni was definitely one of the best
players there. I think Quinn Musty was

639
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,639
probably the best. Will Smith was
a little disappointing, and Luca Cognoni was

640
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,519
like, who is this guy?
Because he looked like one of the best

641
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:44,280
players out there, and he was
definitely one of the smallest. And there

642
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,239
were a couple instances with some bigger
forwards that some of them went okay and

643
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,440
some of them went pretty poorly as
you might expect. So he has some

644
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,760
work to do. But just the
way that he would manipulate the other players

645
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,800
and find the open space was impressive
against some of these prospects that are much

646
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,880
bigger and older. So I think
there's obviously you want to get him if

647
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,920
you can. I wouldn't go crazy
trying to acquire him, because there's still

648
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,440
some question marks there. But if
he doesn't cost you much, then especially

649
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,679
if he's free in a shallowish league, pick him up. See what happens.

650
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,119
It could be a bit of a
weight still, but I think you're

651
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:22,800
gonna I think there's a really good
chance that Luca Cognoni is the Sharks power

652
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,840
play quarterback in a few years.
And even if it's just what's happened with

653
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,119
Addison, I think that there's still
a good chance. The other I should

654
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:36,159
mention the other. The other comps
in Mason Black's model are Adam Glendenning,

655
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,880
which would be very not exciting.
But Zak Warensky is the other, which

656
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,760
seems as similarly as likely to killing
Addison. So obviously, if he's more

657
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,000
of a zak Warnsky type, then
hey, that'd be fantastic. Yeah,

658
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:52,039
very good, Very good, Victor. And there was a poll here as

659
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:58,840
well. Hunter Bruce to Witch versus
Cagnoni, and Bruster to Witch crushed him

660
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:04,199
the Vancouver Canuck Prospect seventy one to
twenty nine. Boom, you said,

661
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,840
this is a guy who is shooting
his way up the prospect ratings. Hunter

662
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,079
over here, what do you think
of that? Hunter Brustovitch is having a

663
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,119
nearly historic season in the OHL and
there's a lot of noise about him recently

664
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:23,880
because the Americans will left him off
the World Junior invite list, but I

665
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,760
think there's a good reason for that
because they have other guys like Lanne Hudson

666
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:35,480
and Seamus Casey and Zee Bulliam who's
absolutely just throwing the NCAA right now.

667
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:39,039
Zee William has more points than maclin
Celabrini right now as a defenseman, so

668
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,239
he looks pretty good, if not
better, And he's also five inches taller

669
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,880
than Brucetevitch, so anyways, but
he's doing great. Regardless of that,

670
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:52,079
I think that he is going to
be He's a Canucks prospect, so I

671
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,880
feel like I don't know, I
must follow a few too many people on

672
00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,360
Twitter for the Canucks because I feel
like that's all I see is Brucevich lights

673
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,159
and different discussions about him. But
there's no doubt that he is incredible.

674
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:07,079
But like Cagnoni, his game does
need to be rounded out a little bit.

675
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,559
It's not all the way there.
But he was also a third round

676
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:14,119
pick. So both of these guys
later picks who look fantastic later picks because

677
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,400
they're a little bit smaller, they
they are more offensive, but I think

678
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,280
they could round out the rest of
their game and be really impactful in terms

679
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,320
of for who I would want between
the two. I think it would definitely

680
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:28,039
be Brustevitch, partly because he is
a little bit taller. I mean he's

681
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,920
three two to three inches taller,
depending on who you believe, than Cagnoni.

682
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,599
He's a little bit thicker too.
He does throw his weight around a

683
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,119
little bit more, and I think
that his game is a little further along

684
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:42,000
in terms of two way than Cagnoni. But the thing that you have to

685
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,360
worry about with Brustevitch is that if
he unless he gets traded, there's no

686
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,559
way he's taking the power play job
from Quinn Hughes. And so there's a

687
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,480
bit of a roadblock there. I
don't like, I don't usally like to

688
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,360
think that far in advance, but
it is something to consider. And Cognoni,

689
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
who's going to be the Starks power
play in four or five years unless

690
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,480
they draft, they might it might
be whoever they draft this year, because

691
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,920
they'll probably get a high pick and
they could end up picking William or they

692
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,039
could end up picking whoever love shooto
off, so that there's gonna be a

693
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,360
good option for them this year,
and that might be the answer. But

694
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,360
it also seems equally likely that Keagnoni
maybe have a little bit step ahead and

695
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:19,320
get that. But both of these
guys are guys that you should know about.

696
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,480
If I had to pick, it
would be Brustovitch, tremendous Victor.

697
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,719
That's all we got today for the
X gamers. We'll take a break and

698
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:42,239
come right back time for another edition
of Tidy Takes, And of course to

699
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,119
do that, we have to bring
in our tidy Admiral Ryan Downey. How

700
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,239
are you doing, Duran, I'm
great, Victor. Thanks so much for

701
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,079
having me back. I guess I've
holding up my end of the bargain here

702
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:57,320
because I keep getting invited back.
Thanks for having me, yeah, I

703
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,039
would say, and equivocally you have. It's nice, Thanks so much,

704
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,000
And we have some interesting things to
talk about. We got some trades and

705
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,159
some of the things. But the
first thing I wanted to mention is just

706
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,719
some overall tidy structure and organization that
I think is interesting that may relate to

707
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:16,280
everybody. And of course we have
some great visualizations on the website. If

708
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:22,519
you go to Fantasyhockeylife dot com and
look at tidy I believe that page is

709
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,239
not restricted to everyone, so I
believe everyone can look at that Some of

710
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:31,639
the other visas that Brandon has put
together and scouting reports are locked. But

711
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:35,079
I think you should be a look
at the tidy structure and you can see

712
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,559
the different tiers. You can see
the fast track, you can see the

713
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:42,719
different way that everything is organized.
And one of the fun things that we're

714
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:50,199
doing this year because we started with
basically for divisions and they're all similar,

715
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,599
so we needed to move to to
Division two and two to Division three so

716
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:59,920
that the middle divisions are basically playing
against each other to be able to be

717
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:05,119
Tier two next year, and the
top two will be Tier two and the

718
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:10,639
bottom two will be Tier three.
So it creates this fun different competition because

719
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,280
of course they they're still your competition
because you want to do well, but

720
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,800
at the same time you're also all
on the same team because you have to

721
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,559
try to get your You'd rather be
obviously in Division two because you're closer to

722
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:30,159
Lord Stanley, so that makes it
kind of difficult. So and in particular

723
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,280
in my division, the Gretzky Division, which we are currently second to last

724
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,679
in total points, which is super
not fun. But the guy who's in

725
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,519
first, the Pleasant Crafts and he's
been killing it in our division and it's

726
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,159
nobody can catch him, and it's
super frustrating. But then on the other

727
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:51,519
hand, I'm like, yes,
go get us all the points. And

728
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:54,679
then we're always checking each other as
rosters, like you don't want rosters to

729
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:59,880
go illegal because you're your whole division
is playing for the most points. So

730
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,960
you get this nice camaraderie that it's
fun, but also some competition, and

731
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,800
I'm sure that's true in some of
the other divisions. Have you noticed any

732
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,559
of that, Ryan, Yeah,
I've definitely noticed it. I think it

733
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:15,159
took a little bit of time for
people to wrap their heads around the concept

734
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,159
of, Okay, we are competing
against each other, but also we're all

735
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:23,559
pulling on the same rope here.
There's some of us also maybe familiar with

736
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:29,119
the Kakupful, which is also undergoing
a bit of a shake up when it

737
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,719
comes to the promotion and relegation,
a flattening of the pyramid as it were,

738
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,480
with these tiered leagues. It's important
that kind of everyone knows where they

739
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,440
stand and what is going to happen
at the end of the season. And

740
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,559
the first thing I have to say
is, congrats to you and Jesse for

741
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,719
coming up with this and I know
that we have a wider team of Tidy

742
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,280
consultants and board of governors and all
that, and everyone has consulted on this

743
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,239
and come up with this as the
best option. But these kind of things

744
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,199
are hard to figure out, and
it's hard for me even to get my

745
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,079
head wrapped around it. But I
got to say these visuals from Brandon have

746
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:07,719
really helped me pull it together.
I'm really appreciating the ability to look at

747
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,719
and just some people know it's Fantasy
Hockeylife dot Com slash Tidy. You can

748
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,679
check that out. And it's these
kinds of value adds that make leagues like

749
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,760
the Tidy such rewarding league to play
in. I must admit I'm a little

750
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,480
relieved as a Lord Stanley manager to
see that we're leading the pack in points

751
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,599
four. That's a good check for
all of us who made it to the

752
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:31,079
top division last year. And although
Edward and I and the BFFs have had

753
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:35,199
some bad luck to start the season, it's helpful for us to know where

754
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,400
we stack up in the wider Tidy
membership, which last I checked, we're

755
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,920
twelve, not bad for a team
in the top division. But as you

756
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,039
said, Craft Sir, is just
crushing it. Hopefully we can catch up

757
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,440
to a m the promotion relegate.
Oh sorry, go ahead, Victor.

758
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,079
Yeah, I was just going to
say, it's not even really that close.

759
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,039
Stanley is killin. Actually Lemieux has
closed the gap a little bit,

760
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,800
but there's still two thousand total points
behind it, and when you're looking at

761
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,239
the total division, it's quite a
lot. So their gap is the gap

762
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:13,119
of Stanley where they're ahead of Lemieux
is actually pretty significant, and more so

763
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,199
than most of the other in any
of the gaps that you see, it's

764
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,960
a little bit less than Lemieux is
ahead of the last division. The last

765
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,719
division Yagur has had some illegal rosters
and that's been really frustrating for everybody and

766
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,239
we're trying to work on that.
But yeah, just you mentioned it,

767
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,960
and I just wanted to highlight it
again. The other thing that Brandon has

768
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,960
on here is you can see how
you stack up against everybody else in your

769
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,679
division overall, and that really helps
to It also points out sometimes you may

770
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,599
have a sense of this, oh
my team's good, but it's gotten unlucky.

771
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,360
It can show like where you sit
both standing wise and points wise,

772
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,079
so you can see if my points
are high, but my standings are low,

773
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,079
then that tells me that obviously I've
gotten a little bit unlucky and things

774
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:57,840
should write. So it's a really
nice way to easily visualize like where I

775
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,079
am, where I should be.
Can I show I go for it?

776
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:04,599
Should I push my chips in?
Should I maybe a retool? Those kinds

777
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,079
of things. I feel like these
visualizations can really help, and you absolutely

778
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:15,199
kudos to Brandon. And as a
commissioner of six leagues simultaneously, which actually

779
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,480
is a lot easier than it sounds, but still somewhat challenging, I'm finding

780
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:22,679
it very helpful to have league members
holding each other accountable for these illegal rosters

781
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:28,000
like you mentioned, and it's not
just limited to the or division or to

782
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,599
the Yogur Division. We've had some
illegal roster scenarios in pretty much every division

783
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:37,639
so far. And to just have
that extra layer of community on top of

784
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,079
your own personal desire to do well, notwithstanding, to have people holding each

785
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,320
other accountable as we are all pulling
towards the same goal. It's a nice

786
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:51,559
opportunity for managers to connect as a
community and also help out your beleaguered commissioner.

787
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:55,079
So thank you. Very much again
to Brandon for helping us with these

788
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,920
visuals. And since we're talking about
Lord Stanley, why don't we talk even

789
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,400
further about it. It's time for
us to spend some time on the division

790
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,679
that every Tidy manager is trying to
get to, and we're going to talk

791
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,039
about a trade freeze that has now
thowed. I wasn't surprised. I don't

792
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,800
know about you, Victor, but
I wasn't surprised to see that Lord Stanley

793
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,239
took a little bit longer to get
going on the trade front, for the

794
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,760
first reason being, of course,
that this division, as well as the

795
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:27,079
Tidy Lidstrom Division undertook startup drafts this
offseason. Some of you who are maybe

796
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,559
not so familiar with the Tidy may
or may not recall that we elevated these

797
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,719
teams to the top division and so
we left some teams behind. But the

798
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,920
top division obviously didn't have teams to
take over, so we had to do

799
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,599
a startup draft. And so I
feel as a Tier, as a Tidy

800
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,920
Lord Stanley manager, that I needed
to get the hang of my roster and

801
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:52,199
evaluate my draft with a bit more
of a sample size behind it before making

802
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:57,039
any huge decisions. For instance,
we drafted Dawson Mercer. Loved Dawson Mercer

803
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,440
as a player and as a fellow
Newfoundlander, I might add, so he's

804
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,760
had a bit of a slow start
to the season, but if we had

805
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:05,840
moved on from him three weeks ago, four weeks ago, we wouldn't have

806
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,639
had his exciting past few weeks.
You can't make these rash decisions, especially

807
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:15,199
when you just drafted the player three
months ago. So I'm not super surprised

808
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,480
there. And indeed, we haven't
seen any trades yet in Tidy Lidstrom either,

809
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,880
which was our other startup draft that
we ran over the summer. This

810
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,599
was a new division and we just
had a huge influx of new managers and

811
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:27,840
we had it needed to make a
new division, so we did a startup

812
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,960
for them as well. If I
remember correctly, Victor, there wasn't a

813
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,760
whole lot of trading last year when
the Tidies started, so a lot of

814
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,559
the inactivity in the new leagues has
definitely been tracking for me so far.

815
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,880
Yeah, no, I think that's
right. I think, like you said,

816
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,039
everyone trying to figure out. Also, it was a new league too

817
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,079
last year, so there was even
more newness, and so people were trying

818
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:50,159
to figure out just what exactly was
going on. Get used to the scoring,

819
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,079
get used to the game's played limit. And there's some interesting nuances with

820
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:58,280
the roster two, like not having
a skater spot sometimes. I always find

821
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,840
that messes me up sometimes too,
because if you have extra centers or wingers

822
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,480
off and you can slide them into
that slot, but not here. So

823
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:09,679
you start to realize your roster limitations
and restrictions and figure out just what your

824
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,079
team can do. So I think
it takes a little bit longer. Yeah,

825
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:17,360
it takes probably several matchups before you
start to get the hang of it.

826
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,360
And then, yeah, usually it's
in the eight to twelve range of

827
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,039
matchups till you really start to know
where you are and what you want to

828
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:29,760
do. And so that's usually the
point at which a lot of trades start

829
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,559
coming through. Yeah, you start
to realize what you need, and the

830
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:37,639
four managers in particular in the Lord
Stanley division realize what they needed, and

831
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,440
we have them to thank for getting
us started with the wheeling and dealing here.

832
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:45,639
Two of these managers in particular have
been very active in their desires to

833
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:47,760
remake their teams factoring in on two
of the deals that I'm going to talk

834
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,159
about today. The two managers I'm
going to talk about now have combined to

835
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:58,440
form this first deal, and we're
talking about the Steel City Stars and FHL

836
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:01,920
community favorite Tom Trot. And I'm
definitely not just saying that he's a community

837
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,519
favorite because he complimented my home province
of Newfoundland and Labrador and also shouted at

838
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,400
my favorite home style breakfast of Newfee
steak and Eggs. He's also a very

839
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:15,199
beloved contributor to our discord. Thanks
for that, Tom Tron. We'll start

840
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:21,639
with the Steel City Stars, who
acquired Miro Haskin and defense and for the

841
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:28,679
Dallas Stars from the Lazy Boys Clay's
Team for defenseman Evan Bouchard and Shark's prospect

842
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,559
d Shakir mukham Madoulin, who is
ranked as the forty fifth defender on Victor's

843
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,599
prospect sheet. A straight up d
swap here with some sugar mixed in with

844
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:42,320
the addition of Muka Madolin. Thumper, who is the manager for the Steel

845
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,000
City Stars, had this to say
about Bouchard and his fantasy potential. Bit

846
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,800
of a spicy take, but thanks
Thumper for sharing your thoughts here on the

847
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,320
deal, he said, I watch
a lot of hockey, and I emphasized

848
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,760
the eye test and intuition more than
the metrics, and in my opinion,

849
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,880
heiskein and is ten times better of
a hockey player than Bouchard. While Bouchard

850
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,559
has the better deployment, I feel
there is a chance he can be moved

851
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:08,039
off the top power play and by
then he's almost healthy scratch worthy. Thumper

852
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:12,880
goes on to say that Bouchard is
certainly not a playoff hockey player and feels

853
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,199
that the Oilers will eventually need to
go away from him to win games.

854
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:20,039
He did think that Bouchard would still
have a better year than Hayscan and all

855
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,280
things staying the same, but at
the time of the deal, Thumper's team

856
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,000
was first in the division and one
hundred points ahead of the next team,

857
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,599
and he felt this was an easy
downgrade in points this year for long term

858
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,639
stability. As for the actual trade, Thumper had this to say, he

859
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:38,119
tried hard to move Bouchard to at
least four or five teams, not our

860
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:42,400
team. By the way, if
you had tried to send it to Edward

861
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,559
and I, we probably would have
taken that deal, but realizing that his

862
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,920
trade value was not nearly what he
expected. He tried for two popular names

863
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,000
straight up picked after him after the
draft, and both were rejected. With

864
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,719
that, he felt that he would
need to throw in something to find a

865
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:00,199
more stable demon and thought B plus
prospect in Mukam Duelin was worth Hayskin in.

866
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,639
He stands by the deal still,
but wonders if he could have done

867
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,599
better based on the current data from
the players. A month later, Clay

868
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,960
was not quite so verbose in his
comments, but added this, he agrees

869
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,119
that Bouchard has some deployment danger,
but was happy to get Muku mcdulan as

870
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:20,880
a mid level prospect to offset that
potential danger as a team that is clearly

871
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,239
building for the future. Victor,
do you agree with both manager's assessment that

872
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:29,400
Thumper needed to add to get Hayskin
in and how do you see Bouchard's future

873
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,079
as part of this Edmonton BU line. Yeah, it's a really interesting question.

874
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,960
And I think when you're in the
top division, which there's no there's

875
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,719
not going to be a division above
this. Any division we add or anything

876
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,079
will be below. So this is
the top. So a lot of it

877
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:51,000
also comes down to you want to
stick around obviously, right, so you

878
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:53,920
want to win, but the next
goal is you want to not get relegated.

879
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:58,480
And looking at the standings right now, there are a bunch of has

880
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,880
and a few have nots are that
have separated themselves. There isn't a whole

881
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:08,000
lot in the middle in this division. For example, there are six teams

882
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:12,800
tied at a five and two record, so there's a lot of really good

883
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,960
teams, and there's two teams at
six and one. There's a couple of

884
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,960
one and six and an zero to
seven teams. So when you're looking at

885
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:23,320
this, it's okay, you really
don't want to get relegated, and you

886
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,239
can look a little bit beyond just
one year, right, A lot of

887
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:31,519
times if you're like initially when we
had four teams get promoted last year,

888
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:36,760
there was a lot more wiggle room. But to just win, you have

889
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,119
to you have to be really good. But I like the idea of looking

890
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:45,000
a little bit more long term,
and this deal certainly with maybe Bouchard not

891
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:50,159
being as good or potentially having some
real life struggles. I think that's a

892
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:54,679
reasonable thing to think about. I
think you also it's really weird because when

893
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,719
the Oilers were struggling, everybody was
just saying how terrible Evan Bosche was and

894
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,320
how he was the problem, and
then they start winning games and of course

895
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,360
he's not a problem at all.
He's great, everything's great. It's hunky

896
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,719
dory. So it's interesting and when
you look at his underlyings that they're actually

897
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,519
it's a tale of two seasons.
Early in the season they looked horrible and

898
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:19,960
now they look fine, and so
there's definitely some big team effects there whenever

899
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,440
even Bouchard is out there. Though
if he's playing, he's going to get

900
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,679
the top power play role. He's
going to get top assignments offensive assignments,

901
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,199
which is what you want. So
I have a hard time not liking this

902
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,920
deal for Clay. Clay is also
one of my co gms in the Dabber

903
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,760
Prospects League, and I've played against
him for a long time. He's really

904
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,800
sharp. Both these managers are really
sharp, so I don't think there's any

905
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,920
pulling the wool over. It's just
a matter of preference thumper set stability versus

906
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,840
some volatility is what it comes down
to. Heiskinin is probably not as bad

907
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,400
as he has been so far this
season. I don't know that he was

908
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,639
as good as he was last year
though, but the talent is there and

909
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:02,599
the opportunity is there. So it's
probably closer than a five point six four

910
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,039
points for Heiskanen and eight point twenty
five for Bouchard. It's probably a lot

911
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:10,679
closer between those two than that.
They're probably both closer to I don't know,

912
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:15,400
maybe seven or so. They both
have that upside. So if it

913
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:21,239
were me, I would probably take
the Bouchard side and the prospect who Mukamadulan

914
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,559
Probably I thought I would play more
this year, but he's really close.

915
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:27,079
You're not going to have to wait
long for a prospect like that, so

916
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:30,400
I like that. But I think
this is pretty fair either way. What

917
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,280
do you think? Right? If
I was going to be very nitpicky,

918
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,760
I would probably say that Mukamadulin is
too good of a prospect to be the

919
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,440
plus one in this deal. I'm
a big fan of his. You've turned

920
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,079
me on to him over the past
year or so, looking at your prospect

921
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:52,000
sheet and seeing he's very strong on
the bash front. He's got some offensive

922
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,599
inclination, and so I think that
I'm excited about that kind of player.

923
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:59,960
We talked I think last week or
two weeks ago about other defensive prospects,

924
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:04,320
options that are not like Luke Hughes
or David Yurachek, Simon Damach, like

925
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,840
guys who have some offensive inclination who
are not those kind of A plus prospects.

926
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,519
And I think Mukam macdollan falls easily
into that category here. It's the

927
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:16,559
type of player that I really like
to take a swing on. I probably

928
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:21,760
would prefer the Mukam Madolan and Bouchard
side myself. I'm not super high on

929
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,880
Hayskanen. I love him as a
player, and we all watched him in

930
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,000
the playoffs a couple of years ago
when he absolutely dominated for the Dallas Stars.

931
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,239
And you're right, and that is
there's no clear winner here. I

932
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,800
think there's no pulling the wolover a
manager's eyes. These are two sharp managers.

933
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:43,440
As you said, I just really
prefer the upside. The bombasticness of

934
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,960
Evan Bouchard's offense is really appealing to
me. I also think Bouchard's skill in

935
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:53,159
transition lends pretty well to our format. So even if he loses some deployment,

936
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,599
which by the way, I think
is unlikely. He'll still offer some

937
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,400
value. I like Hayskinin, but
I feel that he's been given the chances

938
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,679
to produce at the same offensive raiders
Bouchard and keeps missing his opportunity for whatever

939
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:08,679
reason. Thirty four power play points
in seventy five games last year was great,

940
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,960
but I think it's his absolute peak. I don't think that hayskin And

941
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:15,400
can do much better than that.
He's on pace this season for twenty power

942
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,360
play points. I think that's a
bit closer to his true power play production.

943
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,239
Great player, don't get me wrong. And in this format with a

944
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,239
lot of pariffs and femwick and time
on ice and all that stuff, Hayscinin

945
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,280
is very valuable. So I do
think it's a lot closer than it appears,

946
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,480
like you said, but I think
give me the Muka Madolan and Bouchard

947
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:36,199
side. Yeah, we agree that
it's a good call there. This isn't

948
01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:40,159
the last time, Victor we'll talk
about Thumper and the Steel City Stars,

949
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,480
but we'll give him a break for
now and talk about Tom Dron. Tom's

950
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,239
been busy over the past few weeks
and got things started with a trade involving

951
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,280
one of your favorite young players,
Victor, that's right, it's time to

952
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:55,880
get Stanky. But in this case, Tom Tron traded away Logan stank Covin

953
01:05:56,239 --> 01:06:00,159
to Queer One Imports managed by Liam
for Johnny gudrou So we have a right

954
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,119
up prospect for veteran trade here,
very exciting to talk about. Tom told

955
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:09,239
me that he was adamant that he
did not want to move Stankovin at all

956
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,760
when he received the first offer,
or the second offer or the third offer.

957
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:17,079
But when it turned to get to
Gadreau for Stanky, Tom started seriously

958
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:21,519
contemplating it, agonizing over the decision, leaving the trade pending for a week

959
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:27,039
before pulling the trigger. In his
words, do I need the help now?

960
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,519
Yes? Do I believe that Johnny
Hockey is actually this bad? No?

961
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,960
Tom asked some buddies and other league
who all thought it was a no

962
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:39,800
brainer deal for him to move on
from stankoven to get Johnny Gadroau. Finally,

963
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,000
he decided to bite the bullet and
just accept the trade. It hurt,

964
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,840
it still hurts, and Gaudreau has
since picked up the pace and has

965
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,239
helped, but Tom believes that he
will one day regret this deal. He

966
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,920
just hopes it's not for a couple
of years. Liam, on the other

967
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,400
hand, says that this trade goes
all the way back to the draft and

968
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,280
that he was targeting high impact forwards
under the age of twenty six. So

969
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,519
this is a manager who is taking
the long view of his team here.

970
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:08,079
He never planned on taking Goodrow as
a veteran, but in the draft it

971
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:11,559
was hard to pass on him at
his draft slot, so he knew that

972
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:15,039
he would eventually be dealing goodrou as
part of his long term strategy to create

973
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,239
a great young dynasty team. He
saw Goodrow under performing and thought he would

974
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:23,800
get a move on before his value
decayed any further, which probably explains the

975
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,280
multiple offers to Tom Troun. He
also felt that he was pretty deep at

976
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,800
left wing, and given the team
situation with Gaudreau and Columbus, felt like

977
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,079
an easy decision to move on from
this veteran player. Liam is a huge

978
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:38,760
fan of Stankovin, having followed him
for quite a while, and puts a

979
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,639
lot of stock in Dallas's ability to
develop Stankovent in a similar way to Wyatt

980
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,400
Johnson, another favorite of yours,
Victor, I love this kind of trade

981
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,760
victor in a dynasty. Who would
you rather come out of this deal with

982
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:54,480
stankovin or Goodrow? Yeah? I
think ye. Everyone knows how much I

983
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,559
love stankovin long term, he's going
to be awesome. But I think it

984
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:02,360
also really paid a picture of what's
going on in the league with these guys

985
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,880
right now, because that, of
course, is going to really matter.

986
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,360
And I think in order to make
this kind of trade where you're giving up

987
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,920
a roster player for a prospect,
you have to but both teams have to

988
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,640
be in the right position, I
think, so that is also part of

989
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,439
it. And if you're looking at
the standings, so Queer one they are

990
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:26,520
currently fourth, and Liam's currently fourth
with tied at that five and two record,

991
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,560
but he has the second most points
for all of those teams, and

992
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:33,000
Tom Tron two and five the top
two and five teams. So there's potential

993
01:08:33,119 --> 01:08:39,760
here to turn around. And it
seems Liam has a little bit of bandwidth

994
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,680
to be able to lose a player
that is not the top of the roster

995
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,640
type of player, but certainly could
have some turnaround, right So that's part

996
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:53,119
of what you're looking at, of
course, And right now where Goodrow,

997
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:56,039
he's a guy on a busy night, you might not be starting a guy

998
01:08:56,079 --> 01:09:00,000
that you might be, or at
least you weren't while he was really strugg

999
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,800
He has turned around, as you
mentioned, quite quite a bit lately,

1000
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:08,600
but still looking at Tom's roster,
still in the middle, towards the bottom

1001
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,359
of the fantasy points four, still
has some other underperformers on his team like

1002
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,439
Troy Terry and guys maybe like Kevin
Hayes, although he's been a little bit

1003
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:23,000
better, So it's it also has
to have that in context, right.

1004
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,880
I think it helps Tom right now
maybe pull himself up the standings a little

1005
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,920
bit, and it's probably not hurting
Liam too much because his team's really good

1006
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,079
and I think he's probably looking at
sustainably. I want to be competitive in

1007
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,720
this division for years, and Stanky's
going to help that for sure. And

1008
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,239
I think if this deal, maybe
this helps save Tom from relegation. If

1009
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:45,600
that's the case, then it's a
win. It's a win, and that's

1010
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,359
what we like to see. Of
course, I think everyone knows long term,

1011
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:53,000
I'm going to say Stank Covin,
but there's no question that it's going

1012
01:09:53,079 --> 01:09:57,439
to help more that goodro is going
to help more this year. It's still

1013
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,479
up in the air whether stank Coven
is gonna get games, and I tell

1014
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,479
it might be after the Fantasy playoffs, so it's not going to factor in

1015
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,000
this year. But I have a
hard time thinking that he's not going to

1016
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:10,920
play most of the season next year, so we will probably find out as

1017
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,439
early as next year. And so
I just think of this as a win.

1018
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,800
I don't know that there's a you
know, I don't think there's a

1019
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,960
winner and loser here. What do
you think, right? Yeah, I

1020
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,760
agree completely. You know, when
I saw this deal, I thought of

1021
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,800
our trades last year in the or
Division, which Edward and I want.

1022
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,119
I'll continue to remind people of that, of course, But I remember we

1023
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:35,640
had talked about when we were drafting, picking up players similar to Stanko who

1024
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,520
are younger, right, younger players
who have upside for the future. Our

1025
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,239
plan was always to try and make
it to the top division this season,

1026
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,199
and so we would pick up those
players in the draft as trade chips for

1027
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:53,359
later on. And so I remember
the two players specifically that Edward and I

1028
01:10:53,399 --> 01:10:58,199
you know, had drafted in order
to trade them were Jack Quinn and Seth

1029
01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:00,279
Jarvis, and so we were able
to move those guys later in the season

1030
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:04,279
for a combination of I think it
was Clayton Keller and Edward might have to

1031
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:08,880
correct me about this offline, but
I think it was a goalie of some

1032
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,479
kind. I think we maybe got
Anton Forsburg or something, but we needed

1033
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,560
those pieces in order to move up. And in this case, I completely

1034
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,319
understand what Tom is doing, and
to his credit, he says he will

1035
01:11:19,359 --> 01:11:24,079
regret this deal. He hopes he
doesn't have to regret it within the next

1036
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:27,880
couple months or year. But Stankovin
is the type of player that you want

1037
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,600
to build around going forward. If
you're a team in Tom's situation where you

1038
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,600
need points, you need to start
moving up the standings to avoid relegation.

1039
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,520
Of course you make that deal one
hundred times out of one hundred. Obviously

1040
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,000
I would prefer the Stankovin side.
But if I were I'm only a few

1041
01:11:43,119 --> 01:11:47,159
standing spot spots higher than Tom,
I would probably make a very similar deal

1042
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:50,399
to try and get more points on
my team. Right now, I make

1043
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:55,880
that trade along with Tom every day. Further to our conversation, a couple

1044
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,920
weeks ago, Victor ree, Wyatt, Johnston and Craftster who's coming up a

1045
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:04,640
lot in this podcast today in Tidy
Gretzky, I think Stankovin will probably edge

1046
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:10,279
him out for that last power Play
one spot eventually, alongside Hayskin and Hinton

1047
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,479
Robertson. And I've always seen Stankovin
as a braden Point type, and I

1048
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,479
trade Goodrove for braiden Point today,
So give me Stankovin for sure. Sorry,

1049
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,399
Tom, I hope you don't have
to regret this deal this season or

1050
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:27,239
next. But yeah, it's completely
understandable why this deal would happen, so

1051
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,880
good job to both managers. Indeed, I tease that we get back to

1052
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,319
the Steel City Stars, and I'm
nothing if not a man of my words.

1053
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:39,680
So let's talk about the most recent
trade made in the Lord Stanley Division,

1054
01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:43,880
and this involves Tom as well.
Tom Tron acquires Rasmus Ristol Linen from

1055
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,640
the Steel City Stars for right winger
William Dufour, who is Victor's two hundred

1056
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,920
and forty four forward with good bash
and not a ton of upside. Before

1057
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,359
we go deeper on this trade,
I have to outline some extra context for

1058
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,840
myself and perhaps some other managers in
the Lord Stanley Division. I find myself

1059
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,600
in the league with these two fine
gentlemen as I've mentioned, and my co

1060
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:09,119
manager and I received an offer from
the Steel City Stars on the same day

1061
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:14,039
that this deal happened, of Rista
Linen for our Jaden Pern. And I'm

1062
01:13:14,039 --> 01:13:16,680
here to tell you that we would
be talking about our team right now had

1063
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,920
I responded to Edward in time enough
to make this trade, because we are

1064
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:25,960
very weak on D and Rista Linen
would offer a lot for us. Lord

1065
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,359
Stanley Managers, if you're out there
listening, please send us your D offers

1066
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,560
please. Thumper had this to say
about his rapid fire offer technique. I

1067
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,720
had four D men on the bench
on Sunday, and for ideal team makeup,

1068
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,960
I don't like more than three in
this league. On Sunday, also,

1069
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:44,760
I was down thirty seven to my
opponent, so I was looking at

1070
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,319
any way to get an edge on
games played. I looked at my lowest

1071
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:51,439
demon and thought with McCabe, Ristall, Linen, and dem Demello all being

1072
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:56,119
in the same boat, liking the
short and long term deployment options for McCabe

1073
01:13:56,119 --> 01:14:00,000
and Demello better. And it's the
biggest hang up being that if Risto's deplay

1074
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,800
it was him being eased back into
the lineup or if Sandheim and York have

1075
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,760
taken over those top responsibilities. So
he made the call to move on from

1076
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,920
Risto, even though he liked him. He fired off ten offers, and

1077
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,079
there's how many managers fourteen in our
league, so there's a considerable amount of

1078
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,800
the managers. Got an offer for
Rasmus ristall Linen for a sea level prospect

1079
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:26,319
or better to see if he couldn't
get this deal done before the Sunday evening

1080
01:14:26,359 --> 01:14:30,439
games. It didn't work out because
the move happened a bit later, but

1081
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,279
he's satisfied with the move because again
he wanted to decrease the number of demon

1082
01:14:33,399 --> 01:14:38,199
and he's just glad he picked up
an asset for one. Tom had an

1083
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:42,920
equally detailed, salient and informative opinion
on this deal, saying, why the

1084
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,560
hell not, thanks Tom, Victor, what do you make of the multiple

1085
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,439
offers at once strategy to try and
get that game's played edge and why don't

1086
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:55,000
we just for the sake of it? Contrast and compare William de four and

1087
01:14:55,119 --> 01:14:58,720
Jaden Peran, who are the two
prospects Thumper would have been happy to receive

1088
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,760
for Ristall Linen. I think it
brings up a really good point that Justin

1089
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:06,560
and I often talk about we need
to and I want to stress. I

1090
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:11,760
just want to stress that it's really
helpful and you should really consider the fact

1091
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,239
that you need to send good offers. You need to have good relationships with

1092
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:18,359
fellow gms because you may be in
a situation like this where you want to

1093
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:24,479
make a quick trade and it might
be something that needs to happen to help

1094
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,560
your games played very soon. So
if you have good relationship with people,

1095
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,560
if you don't send crappy offers,
if you look for win wins, if

1096
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,880
you do all those kinds of things, then this can happen. Right if

1097
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:39,800
you're just sending out these like ridiculous
offers where you clearly win in a landslide,

1098
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,159
you're not going to be able to
do those kinds of deals because people

1099
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,359
are going to get annoyed at you, they're going to be upset, insulted,

1100
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,720
whatever. So I think it really
it comes back to I think a

1101
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:54,720
big part A is really have respect
for your league mates and really try to

1102
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,079
find the win, try to find
something that works for everybody. But also,

1103
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,359
yeah, sometimes you you get in
a jam. And I've been in

1104
01:16:01,399 --> 01:16:03,760
this situation too, where you're like, oh, shoot, I need to

1105
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:09,199
make something happen now because maybe you're
busy or forgot or whatever, or the

1106
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:13,000
situation your team changed. So I
think sending out a bunch of offers can

1107
01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:15,239
be really helpful, and you just
personally, when I'm in that situation,

1108
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:18,279
I don't really care which one gets
accepted, right, I'm just like whatever,

1109
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:21,000
whichever one, I'm just I'm going
to go with it, whichever one

1110
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:24,720
accepts first. Since I don't do
that all the time, there's certainly times

1111
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,880
where you're like, you see a
certain situation and you have time and you

1112
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,880
can plan it. Yeah, that's
great if you have time, that's my

1113
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,560
preferred method to try to find the
right deal for everyone. But there are

1114
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,439
times where you get multiple and I've
been on the other end of that too,

1115
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,279
And there are times where it's like, yeah, might pick the best

1116
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:42,399
one and I don't mind that.
And there are times where no, none

1117
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,119
of these are, none of these
are going to work for me, and

1118
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,319
it's fine, you just you can
say that. So I think either either

1119
01:16:47,359 --> 01:16:54,600
way is fine overall. I like
the idea here, and you were asking

1120
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:00,119
about different players. I think that
Before is someone who I think is a

1121
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:06,000
bit overrated in a lot of circles. I think that he is not a

1122
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:11,399
bad prospect and did I think maybe
that rank disrespects him a little bit because

1123
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:15,800
I think he does still have some
upside. He has struggled, it has

1124
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,520
trended down for the last couple of
years. I think he gets a little

1125
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:24,159
bit of more notoriety because he's one
of the better prospects and a really bad

1126
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:29,159
prospect system, and that can always
help help your notoriety a little bit.

1127
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,079
But I don't think that he's that
will end for someone who is really going

1128
01:17:33,119 --> 01:17:36,520
to be that exciting or move the
needle that much for most people. What

1129
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:43,600
are your thoughts on DeFore? Ryan? Yeah, Defour and Paran They're both

1130
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,800
kind of players who are very similar
in my evaluation, and I'm giving up

1131
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,760
a little bit of my player evaluation
strategy here, so sorry to my co

1132
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:57,119
manager Edward, but I would prefer
Risto to Paran do four for sure.

1133
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,279
Paran in particular is one of those
Carolina guys who has upside and an elite

1134
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:04,039
skill or two and will work well
in their balance system. But even if

1135
01:18:04,039 --> 01:18:08,159
he hits his ceiling. As long
as Rod Brindamore, or as I like

1136
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:11,920
to call him, Line Blendemore,
is in charge, we won't see the

1137
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,800
kind of upside we might have hoped
for otherwise. And I think du four

1138
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,840
has been in the same boat.
I'm not super high on him. I

1139
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:24,600
would much prefer the periffs d with
offensive upside over the two maybees here And

1140
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,439
just to comment a little bit,
Victor on the strategy here, I'm guilty.

1141
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,039
I've done it. Anyone who's been
in the Degenerate Dynasty Dudes League over

1142
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:34,600
the past month has probably received an
offer of me trying to move off of

1143
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:40,079
Philip Roberg for example. So just
trying to get anything in return for that

1144
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:43,840
asset. Yeah, you got one. I know you got one, and

1145
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,359
I've done it. And it's kudos
to Thumper here for this for the strategic

1146
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,720
move. I'm sorry it couldn't work
out, but as a fellow Lord Stanley

1147
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:54,720
manager, I'm not that sorry that
it didn't work out. I'm sorry that

1148
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,680
I didn't get Risto. That's really
how I'm feeling about it all. Victor.

1149
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:03,239
Yeah, Risto such an interesting player, right, He was like amazing

1150
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,560
for a couple of years when he
was in Buffalo and he was getting We

1151
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,920
were all saying this, this is
why you need to pay attention to things

1152
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,000
like how good the players in real
life, because everyone was saying, he

1153
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:18,399
is not this good like he is. He struggles defensively, why is he

1154
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:24,239
playing twenty five twenty six minutes?
And then of course he completely fell off

1155
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,159
a cliff. His ice time was
restricted. I think people were starting to

1156
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,199
realize some of those things. But
then it seems like he's had some resurgence

1157
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:34,880
here. It seems like he's been
able to They've found a different role for

1158
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,880
him, and the team has been
a different place, and so all those

1159
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,920
context things matter. And I was
he's someone who's been on my roster in

1160
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:48,279
the FHL Dynasty and where the tidy
rules are mimicked from, and he's been

1161
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:53,680
rough. It's been rough to roster
him. But then with this newfound role

1162
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,960
and improved value, it's been like
fantastic things. We talked about this on

1163
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,760
a previous episode, thing ebb and
flow and shift, and you have to

1164
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,920
be open to that, or you
have to be open to the idea that

1165
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,680
if you wrote off Risto as someone
who you're not interested in, but you

1166
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:11,479
have to maybe sometimes reevaluate that,
but he definitely has come around a little

1167
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,840
bit. I think I'm definitely one
of these people that can be influenced by

1168
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:16,479
the noise around a player, and
I think a lot of the noise with

1169
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:23,439
Risto comes from obviously his bad contract, but we don't use cap figures in

1170
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,840
the tidy, so it's really irrelevant. And certainly there you have been points

1171
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:31,479
in this season where Risto and in
many seasons that he's had where he hasn't

1172
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,199
been a good own. But I
think just the periffs bank that he comes

1173
01:20:35,239 --> 01:20:39,680
with. He shoots, and he
hits, and he blocks, and he'll

1174
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,680
occasionally look into a point here or
there, I think there's a lot of

1175
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,319
value for that type of player.
I've had to go back and forth on

1176
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:47,000
my evaluation. Certainly there would be
a time where I'd be like, I'd

1177
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:51,640
prefer Jaden Pern and his upside,
but I think, give me what is

1178
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,840
actually happening here, and that is
a defenseman who is on an NHL roster

1179
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,279
and who is doing something. Amen. Yeah, great stuff, Ryan.

1180
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:06,880
These are some really good things that
think about, along with some strategies,

1181
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,279
some nuances of the league. And
I love also as you mentioned that we've

1182
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:14,479
been highlighting some of these gms,
especially that we've gotten to talk about the

1183
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,199
Lord Stanley competitors, because hey,
face it, these are the best of

1184
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:20,560
the best. They're the ones that
have made it there, and especially the

1185
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:26,119
ones near the top. It's incredibly
challenging to win your division. But then

1186
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:30,680
also when playing best on best,
to be in the position that some of

1187
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,720
these teams ran, that is very
impressive to me, and we want to

1188
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,560
know what their thoughts and strategies are. So thank you for helping to highlight

1189
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:42,000
them. Yeah, Big Tom and
the Steel City Stars in particular, we're

1190
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:44,720
doing some work this month to give
us stuff to talk about, and so

1191
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,119
thanks to you guys for that.
And yeah, it's just as someone who

1192
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:51,560
is in this division, it's tough. It is tough. We're having a

1193
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,880
tough time. Edward and I have
had some bad luck to start the season.

1194
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,920
At least that's what we're telling ourselves. We're doing pretty good on the

1195
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,079
fantasy points, for we're getting crushed
in fantasy points against which I think is

1196
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:06,800
the eternal claim of unlucky teams.
It's tough competition up here, and I

1197
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:12,159
think we're getting worked right now.
By Adam Kaye, who was a challenging

1198
01:22:12,399 --> 01:22:15,319
matchup for us last season too,
So some things never change. But yeah,

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looking forward to hearing more from our
Lord Stanley managers, and we're hoping

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to hear from We're going to reach
out to some of our fast Track managers

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as well, people who are really
rising up the points for chart here on

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the Tidy website, and we're going
to hear from them soon as well.

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So lots of great content from some
of the best managers in this league yet

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to come. Victor sounds great until
next time. A couple more things than

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mentioned before we get out of here
today. One is our show is brought

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to you by fan Tracks. Moved
your leagues over to fan Tracks, ask

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them. They'll help you start new
ones, start all kinds of ones.

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They got the most options for scoring
salaries, contracts, customizing your rookie eligibility.

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You can play Redraft, you can
play Dynasty, you can play ten

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different sports. Almost anything you can
think of you can probably do in there

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with all their customizable tools. Given
a good chat feature, you propose a

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trade and it kicks in a little
bit of a chat window that you can

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open up to go back and forth
in delayed time. You don't have to

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do it in real time, but
you can send with a little comment and

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you don't have to deny and then
propose another trade. It's neat. Just

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trust me. Fan tracks HQ has
got lots of fantasy content articles on fantasy

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hockey, all the other fantasy sports, and we think our entire FHL crew

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here. Content curator Kevin Adams who's
been helping out with the show prep.

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Ryan Downey, who helps commission all
the tidy leagues professionally known as the Tidy

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Admiral. You heard him here today. Brandon, our website guru, doing

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a great job. Jeremy Vee,
our lead scout who keeps the scout prospect

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coming in all those things. Jason
is helping with our prospect ranks. Paul

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is assisting with keeping it all together
with our workflow. If you've got other

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skills you'd like to lend the show
hit victor up in the discord email or

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x brought to you by Daber Hockey
and Dauber Prospects two Victors and editor there

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follow us work as well as his
other podcast, Dauber Prospects Report with Peter

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Harlan. I do a solo show, Dynasty Sports Life. I talk four

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different Dynasty Sports sometimes multiple at the
same time. This week you'll hear a

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little bit of wrapping up the football
takes from this season. Twitter or x

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follow us at Victor Nunno twelve v
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follow me Fan Hockey Life and you'll
keep up with when the new episodes come

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out. Rate review us on Apple
Podcasts, Spotify, wherever else you get

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your pods. We appreciate some nice
five stars, some nice good words,

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and that will do it for today. I hope you enjoyed this one again

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and hearing about some of the prospects
on the way up, some of the

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guys getting themselves established, some of
the trades happening all over the place.

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Until next time, keep living that
fantasy hockey life.