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to get more involved with on Bengals
and James. We're going to get into

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some topics from Vegas as Jamar Chase
and t Higgins were on Radio Row making

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some comments about t higgins future,
about what could have been this year.

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Going to focus today on t higgins
future and unfortunately Willy Anderson is still waiting

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for the Hall of Fame. We're
gonna start with those two topics. Yeah.

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Look, I think there's so much
made of the Jamar Chase, Joe

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Burrow and LSU bond, and it's
obviously, you know, especially between Jamar

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and Joe, it's a great bond, Like justin Jefferson's always thrown out there.

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Clyde Edwards a Larry and I'm gonna
be guilty of it. I'm gonna

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throw his name out there soon.
In that connection that bond, bad Moss,

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Joe Burrow, T Higgins, and
Jamar Chase as a trio have been

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together longer than that LSU group that
everyone talks about the bond, And so

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I do think it's interesting when you
watch Kay Adams right or any of these

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interviews from Radio Row and T Higgins
is talking about his future, Jamar Chay

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is talking about his future, and
Jamar's like, I don't even want to

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go there yet, And I agree
because I think there's a very real scenario

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where either it's the last season that
they're together in twenty twenty four, or

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maybe they've played their last snap together. And Jamar I think already felt that

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and went through that with Tyler Tyler
Boyd in just processing that mentally. Now,

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who knows, maybe Tyler comes back, but I think mentally he's there,

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and so with t he doesn't want
to be there, and so I

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just want to highlight that I think
they are tight. It's not just the

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bounty sponsorship that has brought them together. I think they are good friends.

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And they keep saying that that's my
wingman. Well, I wouldn't go that

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far. That's the little tag slogan
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But I do think they view it
that way to a degree, like

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that, they're boys and so that
does matter. And hopefully they can play

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together for quite some time. And
that's kind of where I'm at. I

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would like the Bengals to re sign
Tea above all else I don't think it

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will happen, but that's where I'm
hopeful that it does. Yeah, the

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ideal outcome remains. T Higgins Extension
and Andre Parrada just did some great analysis

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on Twitter breaking down how the cap
percentages would compare to the Peyton Manning Reggie

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Wayne Marvin Harrison trio in Indianapolis.
Back in Peyton Manning, stay in Indy.

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The other thing from Higgins that I
thought was interesting is when they're talking

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about the future, te Higgins said, it's not really the plan. It

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sounds like option A is stay in
Cincinnati. Option B is get paid a

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boatload of money in free agency.
Option A, of course, also involves

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getting paid a boatload of money and
staying in Cincinnati. Neither's a bad option

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for t You understand why he would
take either of those choices, but it

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does sound like option A is staying
in Cincinnati. Meanwhile, let's talk NFL

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honors. Six of nine major awards
go to the AFC North, and you

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know, every time something like this
happens, I just sit here and think,

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Man, the NFL should does fall
over themselves to pile awards onto the

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Browns, the Steelers, the Ravens
when they do anything well. The Bengals

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not so much. Although Joe Burrow
did recently win Comeback Player of the Year,

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Jamar Chase did recently win Offensive Rookie
of the Year. For these other

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awards, you have to go way
back, and probably deservedly so. I'm

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not saying there's anything crazy there,
but there is an anti Bengals bias historically

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from AP voters and Willie Anderson I
think in his still languishing Hall of Fame

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campaign it is a great example of
that. It just shouldn't be this hard

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to get the best right tackle of
his generation into the Hall of Fame.

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And there's another great group of guys
joining Hall of Fame eligibility next year.

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James, It's hard to say what's
going to happen in the future. It

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sounds like Willy Anderson was closer this
year, and it's a really good Hall

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of Fame class. But like I
said, it just shouldn't be this hard.

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This should have been done a long
time ago. It should be a

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no brainer. The fact that we're
sitting here talking about a year after year

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is starting to get it, not
starting to get continues to be frustrated.

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Yeah, I agree. And the
crappy part about it is I wasn't super

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confident. I know there was a
lot of hope. I wasn't super confident

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he was getting in this year.
And it has nothing to do with him.

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It's just the process and I think
it will happen. But until it

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does, I'm just kind of like, Okay, we'll see. It's almost

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like, all right, I'm the
anti Michael Scott. I'm not ready to

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get hurt again, so I'm not
I like, mentally, I'm over here

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because I can't control it. I'm
not a voter or anything like that.

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And me tweeting about it. There's
been plenty of Bengals fans, pundits people

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that have tweeted about it, and
that's great. I think the pub is

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certainly necessary. And then you look
at who got in, and I would

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disagree and with some of them,
not that they shouldn't be in at some

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point, but I do think Will
deserves credit for his tweets of being humble

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and respecting the process. At the
same time, I don't think it takes

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an NFL Hall of Fame voter to
look at it and say, well,

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Willy Anders didn't get in, Antonio
Gates didn't get in. And the longevity

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of Antonio Gates, how long he
played, he retired in twenty eighteen after

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the twenty eighteen season. Billy Price
and Antonio Gates played in the NFL at

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the same time. To just put
it in perspective that way, it's kind

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of wild. So yeah, I
was surprised, and not just by Willy

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but by Antonio as well, just
to show that it's not just this orange

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and black colored glasses that I'm looking
at. Hopefully Willy gets in next year,

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though, and Antonio Gates is a
clear easy like I don't know,

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I don't know. The Hall of
Fame voters seem to always get something wrong

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or something's wrong this year. It's
tough. Like I said, like,

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it shouldn't have taken Patrick Willis this
long to get it. It shouldn't have

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taken some of these guys multiple years. Patrick Willis probably should have been the

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first out Hall of Famer. There's
a bunch of guys coming up that are

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deserving of the Hall of Fame as
well. And this is part of the

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problem they have where they're only putting
five guys in from the modern list every

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year. Is there's just a lot
of guys to get through, and I

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think that is a challenge. But
Willie Anderson will be going into his twelfth

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year of Hall of Fame eligibility.
I believe he's gone three years now in

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a row as a finalist. Next
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a row, I would imagine.
Don't think that should change. And hopefully

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it's just the slow steps of progress
and working his way through the process and

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we don't have to talk about this
for too many more years because the guy's

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deserving of the Hall of Fame honor. I don't know how much I want

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to talk about the rest of the
NFL honors. James Kevin Stefanski became these

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thirteenth coach ever to be a multi
time AP Coach of the Year winner,

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and on a tiebreaker, so Lisa
was close, I guess. But they

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should really rename that award to coach
whose team outperform media expectations the most.

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Because Andy Reid's won it once,
Kyle Shanahan's never won to Bill Belichick only

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won it three times in his coaching
career. The best coach just doesn't win

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this award most years. It's the
coach who xeeds expectations by the most.

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Yeah, a lot of these awards
are like that, and that's why you

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better not do in your profession.
Don't try to do it for the trophy

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are the hardware, because if you're
getting the hardware, it might not be

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the best sign. Kevin Stevanski did
a great job. I also think that

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the voting he should have been second. Dimiko Rans would have been my vote.

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I would have voted for Puka Nakua
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like I was just thinking all Houston. Puka should have gotten way more votes

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for Offensive Rookie of the Year to
me. Didn't. And you know there's

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a couple other ones that there's debate
about I'm not shocked about Miles Garrett.

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I think that makes sense. You
made a good point about Assistant Coach of

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the Year though, Steve Spagnolo.
Definitely, And we're recording this before Super

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Bowl fifty eight. Yeah, he's
bawling. How does he not get more

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votes? Regular season voting is a
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Brian Callahan if Jade Daniels is there
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Totally agree. The rest of these
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agree with bo Nicks zero chance.
I don't think I do either. But

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we'll see JJ McCarthy there. Put
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Bengals on the clock here. And
the situation, just for the people who

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aren't watching and are just listening,
is Joe alt Olufshanu to Lise Fuaga,

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j C. Latham are the tackles
that have been selected. There have been

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a couple of cornerbacks selected as well. Yep, I'm still thinking transranisters on

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Newton. Johnny Newton also goes one
pick before our pick, a situation where,

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by the way, you're one hundred
percent thinking about trading up for Newton

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in my opinion, if he gets
anywhere close to your pick. And you

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know, I'm probably considering this from
twelve on if I'm the Bengals, maybe

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even a little bit earlier, depending
on the cost of those I'd be calling

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each of those teams. So there
are trade up possibilities. There's also trade

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back possibilities. They're five teams interested
in coming up here, but it's probably

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look at the players available before we
talk about Yeah, Terry on Arnold available,

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quin Jon Mitchell available. So two
top corners. Brian Thomas Junior available,

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Jackson Powers Johnson available, kool Aid
McKinstry available, Amarus mims of available,

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Troy Franklin. There are some options
here. Byron Murphy, by the

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way, who I do think,
I think there's a real chance Byron Murphy's

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gone before pick eighteen. I know
it's weird here, but I'll throw that

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out there now and put that into
the universe. I don't think it's just

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jerse On Newton. I think there's
a chance that Byron Murphy's gone as well.

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It's also early in the process,
and Byron Murphy's probably I think he's

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expected to go test like an absolute
freak. Yeah, the combine and then

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you're gonna see, oh Man,
Byron Murphy top fifteen. I think you're

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gonna see a lot more of that
after the combine if you tests the way

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that I think he's expected to test, because then people will see it and

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people will see the RAS score in
the Nines. I think that's what's expected

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for him. Because as of now, I wouldn't trade up for Newton.

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I would just take Byron Murphy.
If you're thinking the defensive tackle, I

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mean, if he's just going to
be there, I'm potentially potentially an option.

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Tyler Geiton Senior Bowl tackle stand out. Also there, Troy Fatanu,

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a guy who a lot of people
are projecting to kick inside in the NFL,

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but also there if you wanted to
go offensive line. Jordan Morgan from

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Arizona another tackle if you're just interested
in tackle. So a number of corners,

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a number of tackles. We took
him Marius Men's last time he did

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this exercise, I think he said
Jackson Powers Johnson's name I did well.

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Yep. The problem with this pick
and doing mocked aff Monday in February is

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we don't know what's going on with
the Higgins. You don't know who they

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signed him free agency, sure,
and that's where it's always a little bit

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more difficult. But man Terry on
Arnold being there, I think he might

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be the best corner in the class. There's some really good tape for Terry

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on Arnold out there. I think
that that would be tempting. We've talked

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Quinon Mitchell, the corner from Toledo
who Charles Burke's worked with at the Senior

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Bowl. No, he would be
very interesting as well. Didn't even mention

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Layatu Latu, who has some injury
concerns for sure. But if there's an

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edge player in this draft that you
were gonna pick, that guy is the

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refined productive checks all the boxes except
top top top end athleticism. Still a

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good athlete, but not the freak
athlete. But I think that would be

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somebody you'd have to consider there as
well. But this isn't one where there's

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a clear that guy fell, let's
pick him. This is one where you're

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talking about Arnold, Latu, Mitchell, probably Brian Thomas. You're probably considering

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JPJ, You're certainly considering Marius Men's
and just going tackle. Maybe you're even

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considering Troy Flanklin, Troy Franklin if
you just like him better than Brian Thomas.

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This is one where it's a very
interesting set of players and where I'm

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looking at this trade, I'm like, ah, yeah, trade back to

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twenty two. I'm still going to
get somebody I really like, and in

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real life probably would consider that strongly. But what's your late Yeah, right

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now, I would say either Terry
On Arnold or Byron Murphy. Those would

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be the two that they stick out
to me the most. I think Murphy

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clearly the bigger need. We don't
know about a defensive tackle. It's kind

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of a cheat code right now in
PFF mock simulator to your point, because

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he's just there. He's ranked thirtieth, so he's going to be there in

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a lot of mocks. But that's
where I'm at. If he's there,

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I don't think there's a standout offensive
tackle right now, we could have taken

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we could take a Marius Mims.
Again, I go the other way this

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week. I lean Murphy and Terry
on Arnold would be a close second.

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But if either one of those guys
are there, I think that they would

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be legit contenders for the eighteenth pick. And I think they're above just slightly

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above A quin Yant Mitchell, slightly
above Jackson Powers Johnson, above A Brian

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Thomas, above Franklin. So those
are the two for me and Eileen Murphy

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just based on need. I'm happy
to pick Murphy here. You look at

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the PFF profile here. If you're
watching on YouTube, you can see it.

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I'll just talk about some of these
things for the people that are just

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listening. The past rush win rate
nineteen point six percent is insane for an

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interior defensive lineman. That's like pretty
close to t J. Watts win rate

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at the edge position last year.
I think he was like a twenty three

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percent past rush win rate guy last
year. That's in the ninety ninth or

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higher percentile. As you can see
four prospects for defensive interior prospects, but

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still has a really high run stop
win rate. A run stop rate as

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well, nine and a half percent
run stop rate probably like ninetieth percentile plus

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judging where the dot is there,
really good pass rush grading, really good

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true pass set, pass rush productivity. Doesn't necessarily have like loads of sacks,

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right, he only has six sad
charted by PFF in two thousand and

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three. But you keep in mind
that Texas is playing him in weird twenty

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twenty three. You keep in mind
that Texas is playing him in weird alignments.

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They're playing him in nose quite a
bit. Just compare that to Newton

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has a higher pass rush win rate, a higher run stop rate, higher

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grating from PFF. Not that those
are the be all, end all,

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but just something that's interesting. And
let's just make it back to back interior

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defensive lineman here in the draft.
And part of it's for the sake of

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doing something different. Maybe a Marius
Men's would just be the pick here.

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Maybe you just think Terry on Arnold
is that much higher ranked of a prospect

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based on your film evaluations. Maybe
you want to take the risk on law

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to and just get a high end
edge player. But let's go Bira Murphy

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will come back in just a minute
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So Jake, for the first time since

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nineteen ninety four, the Bengals just
took an interior defensive lineman in the first

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round. Since Dan Big Daddy Wilkinson, we're able to go against the grain

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with Byron Murphy and well Terry on
Arnold went to the Rams right afterwards,

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Latu went to the Steelers, so
you got to deal with him. Jackson

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Powers, Johnson, Brian Thomas,
Junior Quin, Jon Mitchell all off the

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board of Marius MEM's a few picks
later, So all the guys that we

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were talking about go. Lad mcconki
goes to the Ravens at thirty, Tyler

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Geiton off the board at thirty three, Troy Fatanu at thirty five, Donnie

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Mitchell at thirty six, Darius Robinson
at thirty nine. He's interesting. Keihan

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Coleman off the board at forty,
Chop Robinson at forty five, devontees Walker

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at forty six. Chris Jenkins by
the way, so if you're thinking,

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oh, maybe Jenkins will be there
at forty nine, he goes off the

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board at forty seven. Christian Haynes, the interior Lemon from Connecticut that we've

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talked about at forty eight. So
a lot of guys that we've discussed at

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some point on this pod off the
board. One guy that is on the

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board that we talked about late last
week, Patrick Paul still available, so

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that's someone that's near the top of
the PFF board right now. And Kingsley.

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Sue Mattea, which was the guy
Suma Matteia, which was one of

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the guys I was going to go
look for. And what's his name,

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Sua Matteia. You Pronouncetea. I
don't know you pronounced the I. Is

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the tip from Parker. Parker Blake, who was with us last week,

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pronounced all the vowels in Islander names. Yeah, yeah, it's Matia.

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Nope, Sue Matia, sum Sue
Sue Mattea. Oh, I gotta get

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it down before they pick him.
Forty ninth overall, all right, Kingsley

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Matea, Yeah, sue a Mateia. Yep. The crazy part is I

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have Yosi vash down in most of
Cincinnati can't do it. So I'm gonna

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get Sue a Matea down by draft
night. I got a lot of a

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lot of syllables, salables, salables. Uh played right tackle. If you're

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watching it on YouTube, you can
see he played six hundred and eighty seven

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right tackle snaps in twenty twenty two, six hundred and forty four right left

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tackle snaps in twenty twenty three,
so he's played both sides. He was

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a transfer, But the upside with
Sue Matilla. Sue Matteia is very,

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very high, and we talked about
last week one of the one of the

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Sewel relatives, so has that bloodline
going as well? Patrick Paul, I

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think maybe is going to be the
higher rated PFF prospect probably throughout the process,

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might be seen as a higher floor
player. But never played right tackle.

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And I'm ignoring pretty much every other
position here because I think this is

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the latest you can get a tackle, and I don't know that you will

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be able to get Sue Matilla here
in real life. But Tavion Sanders also

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available. Some wide receivers that I
think would be interesting, Tremaine Burton from

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Alabama, Ja lim Polk from Washington. I think j mcorsi is still available.

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That's never going to happen. Yeah, never anyways, sorry, and

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Toandre Sweat continues to be available in
the second round of these. So this

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is where if you're doing these and
you're only doing the simulators, like I

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can get trevondreswent in the second round. Of course, I'm taking a tackle

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in the first round. Yeah,
would how tempting would you be? And

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it depends on free agency just to
keep Murphy and Sweat together. And just

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like if this did play out and
and it's Sue Matilla, Sue Matteia,

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right, Kingsley, It's Kingsley and
Andre. No, you got it right

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the second time, nailed it.
Yeah, So would you still go offensive

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tackle? Let's let's say they signed
Jermain Iluminis, which which way would you

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go? Here? I would still
be very tempted by the upside with Sue

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Mattilla at the same time. I
mean, we talked last week about how

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much I left Sweat, but I
would take the offensive tackle Sweat Murphy together.

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I'm drooling, but would be fun. Let's go, uh, Sue

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a Mattea. Yeah, gotta gotta
say it with your chest, Sue a

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Mattea, just just because I think
the fall off there. Just agree we'll

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just look at tackle and and maybe
you can make an argument for Patrick Paul

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here. But like Dominic Pooney from
Kansas, I don't think he's staying at

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tackle in the NFL. We talked
about him with Mike last week a little

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bit, and then there's huge gap. Christian Jones is probably the next guy

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and the serious and that he would
not be picked in the second round,

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and chief among those is that he's
like a twenty three year old. Oh

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I'm not saying picking that, but
that's it's like the drop off and then

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you're talking about one guy. So
no, let's go Sue Matteia and see

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what we have next. I think
what we're hoping for next, just just

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to look ahead a little bit here, as I like to do, is

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Roman. One of these receivers.
Roman. See that's not who I'm targeting,

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but I wouldn't be opposed, just
not the guy I'm singling out.

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Let's see who we got, all
right, So Kingsley, we officially take

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Sue Mattea, All right, let's
see what we're gonna do here at pick

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eighty. Xavier le Guette off the
board, Jalen Polk off the board.

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Jatavian Sanders off the board, Patrick
Paul, Ricky Pursaw. Look at that

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run on receivers. Four receivers in
a tight end in the next five pick,

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and this is I think somewhat realistic. There's gonna be crazy runs on

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receiver in this draft. There is. It's it's funny. Everyone says how

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deep it is, and it is. But they're gonna go like, there's

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gonna be a lot of receivers taken, just like the tackles are going to

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go, no doubt, gonna go
quick. And there isn't that depth of

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defensive tackle to wait super long either. They're gonna have to address one of

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the positions in free agency. Brandon
Fisk. Branden Fisk goes sixty sixth overall,

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IF's there at eighty, yeah,
well, I mean, if he's

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there at eighty, I'd be in
on it. I don't think you could

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take it much earlier than that.
Roman Wilson off the board. Did the

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Jets come on? And JJ McCarthy
off the board of the Broncos. That'd

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be crazy. And I gets picked
Jarvis Bradley, one of Mike's favorite performers

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at the Senior Bowl. He's going
to be flying up Mark mock drafts.

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That's the name of this noteworthy if
you were listening last week. Bernardo Green

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another guy that's flying up right now
on the post All Star Game process.

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And man Brandon Dorless one pick away
from the Bengals pick in the third round,

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which Jalen McMillan too at Washington receiver. It's gone seems a little crazy.

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That's I don't know what I know. Yeah, I know about your

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guy. You're guy. It's a
different set of guys, although that's one

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of them. But Brandon Dorlis is
a guy that I would consider the second

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round for the Bengals. So talking
about rare defensive lineman or landing in this

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draft that that is very interesting.
I'm in on Trey Benson at eighty,

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by the way, so I put
him on as a potential option here.

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I'm not too familiar with the running
back, said I want to go look

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at but he was familiar with your
game. Oh you will be big dog.

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Benson is a problem I just go
back to when Mike Renner told us

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that there's like three running backs in
this class that he would have graded ahead

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of Chase Brown, and Trey Benson
is one of them, I'm sure,

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but but running back really just went
on the back burner after here. Yeah,

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I can't all on that, though. I think that there's a very

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real possibility to draft a running back
starting probably at this pick. I'm just

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saying I downloaded like eight games to
watch last night, and it's Ricky Pierceoll,

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Brian Thomas, ad and I,
Mitchell k Stover, and Jatavian Sanders.

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None of those are running backs.
Fair fair anyway. Leonard Taylor,

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speaking of defensive interior in the third
round, I think would be extremely interesting.

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But let's look at wide receiver,
because that's what I want to look

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at right now. I don't know
about you, Malachi Corley. I don't

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know that you'll get him in the
third round, but certainly interesting. Jamari

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Thrash is actually the guy then I
was very interested in seeing. Here.

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Jon Baker the other one. I'm
gonna buy you a Javon Baker jersey if

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he goes to someone that isn't like
an AFC North team or the Chiefs.

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No, just get you one.
I will be watching his career with great

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interest. Still need to find his
tape. Don't don't have access to any

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of his tape yet. I've only
been able to watch I went Marcus for

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seem me Jack Saint because of his
name. That's a great name. Molie

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Washington is another guy that I think
people will have to familiarize ourselves with,

439
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just from like crazy production profile had
a crazy All Star game as well,

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but and a wide receiver that is
very much not the Bengals type. No,

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you got to be at least my
height five nine. The other name

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here that I I that's not their
threshold, just to be clear for everybody,

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Well, it is at least that
it's higher than that, but it

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is higher than that. Leuth McCaffrey. I don't think in the third round

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as a guy considering, but another
wide receiver to mention that I think will

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be higher than he's currently situated in
the similar fourth round. You know,

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if he's there and you need one, you know it could certainly be in

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the mix. Certainly like his pedigree, you take him thrash. I'm not

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going to say no to our receiver
man, I would have taken three receivers.

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I like Jamari Thrash quite a bit. As you can see here on

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PFF. It seems to be some
drop rate issue, seems to be some

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contested catch issues or red shirt Junior
had a great senior Bowl. I would

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just look at tight end as well. I don't know a lot about Thrash.

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I'm not gonna lie to you,
not yet. Kate Kate sover Ben's

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not will be the tight ends here. Theo Johnson another one that stand out.

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I think all three of those guys
and Jahem Bell could all be in

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this late third between the Bengals third
and fourth round pick kind of range.

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Honestly, I think we should go
with your guy, though not Jamary Thrash.

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Let's do it because we haven't picked
him, right, we haven't picked

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Javon Baker, and I think,
like you, a lot of people are

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viewing him, starting to see him. I'm seeing him mention more and more.

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There's a real chance he's not even
available at pick eighty. I see

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people in the simulators getting him in
round four and five. Yeah, no,

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that's not happening. I think eighty
could be his floor. You know

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in that third range, the third
round, day two is his floor.

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Maybe not eighty, but eighty for
the Bengals. So let's take him.

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He's your guy, and you know
me, I love wide receivers, Javon

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Baker. Let's roll with a baby, even though Trey Benson is in there.

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Trey Benson is in there for me, ladies and gentlemen. Absolute flir.

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When I was talking to Mike Renner
about Baker last week, he told

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me second round is probably where the
Bengals would need to pick Baker. And

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this is a guy that great change
the direction ability. I think he's a

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good route runner in same ball scale's
ability to play above the ram, plays

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bigger than his size just under six
one. The only thing missing from his

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game is vertical speed acceleration. But
then at the Senior Bowl he was the

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fastest wide receiver. I believe at
the Senior Bowl fifth fastest player by GPS.

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So if you can answer those speed
questions and go run a nice forty,

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Javon Baker as a future two I
guess across from Jamar Chace in that

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world where Tie Higgins is not a
future Cincinnati Bengal long term would be my

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guy, and PFF is gonna kill
this one. We're gonna get like a

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C minus for that pick, D
minus D for the Baker pick. Man

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is in college? This is you
in college, man, D minus.

483
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Wow. Never my life, never
me, neither me neither Uh didn't love

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Anytia. Sue a Mateia got a
B It's sue a Mateia. I'm getting

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it right by Murphy C plus on
draft night, the Byron Murphy pick would

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be an A minus from PFF.
Kingsley Sua Mattia will be probably another A

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minus and I think Baker at eighty
would also be. I think this is

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actually an A So there you go. I would like it. I'll send

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it over to Mike Renner and get
him to give us a quick great gay

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Mike, please create our mock DRAF
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