1 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:05,480 I think there's a couple of things to be worried about with handicaffs. I 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,240 don't love handicapped for this reason, because now it's eight of your best twenty. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,039 I know a lot of golfers that can shoot a seventy eight eight times 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,440 and they can shoot in the nineties. So are they a seventy eight shooter? 5 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:19,480 No, I think they should be any whatever. Every eighty five shooter. 6 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:22,359 That's what they should be called. And I don't mean we're calling them 7 00:00:22,399 --> 00:00:25,120 that bad. I think for them that would help them, right, isn't 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,000 that more real? Eight of your best twenty? Now there's golfers that are 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,399 consistent. There are some that shoot seventy eight to eighty three. They're out 10 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:34,280 there. Then the handicaps is a good number for them. But most golfers 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,600 are not like that, all right. This is John Delt, golf coach 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,240 at Soufermilion High School in Clinton, Indiana. We play at Matthews Park and 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,280 Geneva Hills Golf Club. We golf Smarter. You should too. This is 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,840 Golf Smarter Number nine hundred and twenty one. Learn to close your club face 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:59,799 properly for better ballflight with Eric Shoulberg. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,040 and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your score and raise your 17 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:10,040 golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,040 Smarter podcast. Eric Bred it's great being here. Thank you for having me 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,400 on. It's always an honor and a blast to get to talk to you 20 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:19,319 can catch up. Well, it's a blast for me too. I really 21 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:26,120 enjoy talking to you because when usually when I have a conversation with somebody that 22 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:29,879 we record, we'll chat for a while and discuss what we're going to talk 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,799 about. You and I just let it rip. Like Josh Sanders like that 24 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:37,079 too. We just can let it rip. We can go in anywhere, 25 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:40,599 any direction, and it's just fun. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, 26 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:46,280 yep. So anyway, But one of the things that I want to bring 27 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:49,159 up, and let's see how long we can make this last, what directions 28 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:56,159 we can go with it, is game improvement. Right. This podcast is 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,680 all about game improvement. It's not about the PGA Tour, but it's improvement 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:07,439 for the amateur golfer. Now, we see we try to compare ourselves, 31 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,599 which is ridiculous. Try to compare ourselves to what the pros are doing. 32 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,280 You know, we try to say, oh I saw that shot on TV. 33 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:19,080 I can do it. No, you can't. And you know these 34 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:24,560 guys they work ten eight to ten to twelve hours every single day on their 35 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,919 golf game with a team of coaches, and we have YouTube, we have 36 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:38,240 podcasts. Right, not everyone takes lessons and not everyone practices and going out 37 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,840 to the driving range before year round to warm up. It's not practice, 38 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:51,439 it's warm up. But are there stats? Are there things that we can 39 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:59,400 look at in our game that will enhance our development? Yeah? Right. 40 00:02:59,439 --> 00:03:01,520 I think there's a lot of different ways that you can look at it. 41 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:07,400 I think number one, you have to establish as a golfer what what do 42 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:09,120 you want to gain out of it? What do you want out of it? 43 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:12,479 If you're that guy goes and plays every once in a while and you, 44 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,039 like you said, warm up, hit some balls first, your expectations 45 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:17,960 should be can I hit this golf ball? You know, if you're that's 46 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,319 the guy plays once, you know, every few months in the corporate something 47 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,560 like that, your expectations should be very low. So I don't think, 48 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,840 you know, we're not talking a ton about that guy that guy could be 49 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:30,759 happier with expectations set low. But let's talk about somebody who does want to 50 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:36,199 get better. Then I think you have varying levels, so you have the 51 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,919 pros, which is hard to compare to. Okay, but I think you 52 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,680 can go. One of the greatest things I think has been Arcos and the 53 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:45,039 data that we've gained from them. With there, I think they're gonna be 54 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,080 over a billion shots at some point here soon. Every time I hear lou 55 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,800 Say Lusteigner talk about the number that they're at, I'm like, well, 56 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,919 it was just five hundred million, Ou, it's eight hundred million. So 57 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,479 I have seen billions come in real soon the data. But what I love 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,599 it you can look at you know, scratch fifteen twenty five thirty handicap and 59 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:08,840 then it's it's very simple to break down where where you are first off, 60 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,039 as you can't go and say where do I want to get to? And 61 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:15,599 yes, course conditions can be somewhat different over here. It makes things different, 62 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:17,399 but it's just there's a there's a certain yard age you hit the ball 63 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:21,079 if you're a certain handicapped. In general, Okay, it's very hard to 64 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,240 say that somebody who carries the ball at two hundred and ninety five yards is 65 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,079 a thirty handicap. It's just they're they're not out there. That person is 66 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:33,680 probably a very very good golfer, unless they're you know, just out there, 67 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,759 you know for law drives or something like that. Because you you look 68 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,759 at the average mail drives it. Please don't send me hate mail people two 69 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:45,959 hundred and twenty yards, Okay, that is the average male golfers too. 70 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:48,839 Well, I think it's too eighteen actually so, but I know everybody hits 71 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,399 a three hundred. I hear all the time. But I'm like, I 72 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:58,279 know my TrackMan launch matter isn't wrong, but everybody has a three hundred. 73 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,800 But so driving distance can be one category we can look at. But then 74 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:04,680 I like to look at it like this, you have if you want to 75 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,800 break off down really simple. You can look at driving distance, you can 76 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,439 look at fairways hit okay, and you can look at greens and regulation, 77 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:16,360 and then you can look at putts. Those are three simple categories. If 78 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,800 you just want to focus on those and say where am I in those three? 79 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,839 And you can look at those numbers and say what do I need to 80 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,279 get better? You know if you're forty two putts, you cut down on 81 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:33,199 your putts, right, you have to be the tour guys or let's forget 82 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,959 out two guys. If you want to shoot below eighty and then you need 83 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,480 to get about nine greens around. That's just a basic fact. You better 84 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,639 get nine greens in regulation. You're now somebody can shoot an eighty with six. 85 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,639 I'm sure you've done it. Fred, You've had a great day of 86 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,240 chipping and putting, okay, but just in general, you better think you're 87 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,199 going to be eight to nine and you know the number goes up to get 88 00:05:57,199 --> 00:05:59,959 to low seventies. And that's Those are the barriers you can look at. 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 And I could even send you a link if you want later to some of 90 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,839 those breakdowns to look at of what they are. To know, this is 91 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,199 what I have to get to to be at a certain handicaff if that's where 92 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:14,560 I want to get to. So I guess to answer your questions very easy 93 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,360 to look at data and figure out where am I at in those three categories. 94 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:20,519 And if I want to get better, then I need to get better 95 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:25,160 here. If I'm missing fairways and taking penalty strokes, I have to become 96 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,639 a better driver somehow to get to the next level. Okay, so that's 97 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,680 just those are the numbers, and that's that's not how we get better, 98 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,639 but those are the numbers of what that needs me done to reach the different 99 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,240 level. And I think that's what it ought to be based on. If 100 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,360 you're trying to break a hundred, or you're trying to make ninety, or 101 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,959 you can look at a handicap if you want, or trying to make eighty 102 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:48,519 five eighty and working down that way. If you're a golfer, I think 103 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,000 that's the best way to break down. If that is the planer trajection you 104 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,079 want to look at. You don't go from one hundred to eighty, it's 105 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,480 just no, no, you progress slowly down the path, just how it 106 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:03,920 works. So I'd say that's the first step, and then the fun part 107 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,519 is going to work on each of those areas that you need to. But 108 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,680 it's it's the process. So I one of the things I get to do 109 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:18,120 for is I every student I bring back to my teaching bay, I have 110 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,959 to drive by the driving range to drop once doing off and I pick up 111 00:07:21,959 --> 00:07:27,079 the next So I typically will make a comment about what I'm seeing to them 112 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,120 so hoping that they'll learn. I'm never making fun of anybody. It's just 113 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,800 an observation of what do I see, so simple observations. I see. 114 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:39,600 It's driving ranges, hitting one ball one after the other. The feet do 115 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,879 not move at all. I call it raking. You keep your grip on 116 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,439 and you just grab one ball and you like, raak it in right and 117 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,279 you swing again. Here's the funny thing, though, if you hit two 118 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:50,839 balls in a row, one you shank one, you hit perfect with their 119 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:55,439 steven iron or whatever it is. Your brain has no idea what happened different. 120 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,879 You didn't do anything in between to say, body, this is the 121 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:01,560 if I'm trying to make. This is what I'm trying to do. Now, 122 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,240 you stand on that range with a seven iron. Most of us, 123 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:07,600 if we're athletic at all, are going to get into some kind of little 124 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:11,279 groove something where we start feeling a little better about it, right, and 125 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:15,120 we may be able to start hitting that seven hour a little better. By 126 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,639 the end of our one hundred balls, we probably got Some of those guys 127 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,279 usually got a large bucket of balls, so they'll start probably feeling a little 128 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,560 better about it after hitting that. But it relates to zero. To the 129 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,959 golf course, that will absolutely relate zero, because how often do you stand 130 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:35,320 hit the same club in a row on a golf course and you're playing well. 131 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,519 I guess even if you have even if you have to go get another 132 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,039 ball because you hit one ob or something, you are going to move your 133 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:48,480 feet. But I think that's really a fascinating observation about about people in driving 134 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,600 range who don't move their feet, right, yeah, rac and swing and 135 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,799 rake and swing and rake and swing. Yeah. And it's so different than 136 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,440 it would be on the course, you know. It's like what I suggest 137 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,279 for people is if you're working and you have something you're working, you have 138 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,879 to do that in between swing and number one, don't buy a large bucket 139 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,519 balls, get the small bucket, step behind your ball, go through your 140 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,440 routine play golf. While you're out there, you go through everything you do, 141 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:18,000 do your practice swing or whatever you normally do. But have something you're 142 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:20,759 working on in between so you can get some form of feedback. If you 143 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,840 don't have any feedback, there's nothing you're learning feedback. I can't say it 144 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:26,840 enough. You have to have feedback in golf, whether it's your video, 145 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,720 whether it's something you're putting on the ground, whether you're putting something like the 146 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,440 headcover in the way if I hit the hit cover, my path was wrong 147 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,679 or whatever it is. It's the only way you're going to learn. Otherwise, 148 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,080 how do you know what you're doing? You don't, So just kind 149 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,720 of a few things I guess that I noticed and see, and then I'll 150 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,799 try to point out so that they don't fall into those traps. And I 151 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,279 know everybody out there at the range thinks that are working on it, and 152 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:56,080 they're exercising though, and you know, I wish I could just go up 153 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,440 there and say stop, let's get better. And I think us would do 154 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,840 it. I think most just don't know. I do think it's also harder 155 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:07,080 to practice the way I would ask you to practice than it is just staying 156 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,679 there nack golf balls. It's it's it's I would say, kind of brainless 157 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,360 hitting seven irons in a row possibly right verse? What if you had to 158 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,840 step back and do you know, like I prescribe like some kind of slow 159 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:24,039 motion move or whatever it is, so you can really feel it that takes 160 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:28,799 work right, and feedback maybe a video to see did I do it correct? 161 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,600 So there's ways to do it that take less time than it would hit 162 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,039 your large bucket of balls and get much better. So waste do Yeah, 163 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,120 there's too many questions to ask, but we're not gonna do it right now 164 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,480 because we're going to take a time out and we'll be back right after this. 165 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:56,279 It's so interesting because when people are on the driving range and they're just 166 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,559 you know, rake and swing and rake and swing. I don't know if 167 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,039 they're looking at the ball flight, if they're looking at you know, or 168 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:11,240 feeling the contact. Are they just going for distance? You know, let's 169 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,799 go back to the seven. I are not your driver. And even if 170 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:24,399 they they know immediately once the ball leaves the club face that the ball flight's 171 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:28,720 gonna be either what they want or what or what they're not hoping for, 172 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:31,960 it still has to be analyzed. You got to look at that ball flight 173 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:39,720 and say, what does that mean? Right? Huge? Huge? I 174 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,960 see this And I don't know if you've seen this too. I'm sure you 175 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:45,360 had been on golf. How many are hitting the next wall for the last 176 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:48,960 ball? Lands? Oh, I've done that. I know, well, 177 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,039 I know if I if I have a shot that that was not what I 178 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:58,080 intended I'll go ahead and do it again, but yeah, but I probably 179 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:01,799 don't step away and restart, probably keep my feet locked in and just like 180 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,720 scrape it up. So yeah, the moving of the feet, the repositioning, 181 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,559 the stepping away, going through your whole shot routine. Yeah, yeah, 182 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:13,919 is something that you know. It's like that makes a big difference. 183 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:20,000 It's less time, less expensive, you don't have to buy as many balls, 184 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,120 and it's way way more fruitful. I know the place I work, 185 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:30,159 they charged like thirty dollars for balls now, so it's like everything's getting crazy. 186 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,279 So yeah, I think you, you know, bring up some good 187 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,399 points. I I just fact there's you follow those do those right little things 188 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,720 at the range, and the payoffs can you know, be absolutely huge. 189 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,720 But you have to have some source. And I think you brought up the 190 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,840 greatest point of all in golf that I work very hard with every student to 191 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,120 try to understand. So if you go play golf or your driving range and 192 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:56,440 you hit a shot and it's you know, it starts left to your target 193 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:58,960 and curves off to the right, what percent of people I'm gonna asking you 194 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:05,840 you could analyze that shot as the nine ball flight laws what happened at impact? 195 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,559 What percent would you guess? And I'll tell you what I think as 196 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,679 the percent that could say this is what happened. Let's just say with path 197 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:16,480 and face, those two, only those two, this is what happened with 198 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,039 my path and face on that golf shot. I know for a fact this 199 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,679 is what happened. I mean, it's got to be a number. I 200 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,279 think it's just way lower than that from the leasons I see. And I 201 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,039 yeah, because I can see good golfers that don't know. Yeah, sure, 202 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,480 even good golfers that don't know. I have no idea, so real 203 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,519 simply if you you don't need a launch minor figure this out now. It 204 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,639 may be good to be with the pro at first to do it so you 205 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,879 can kind of calibrate and say this is what it is. But if you 206 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,960 if you were in general, the ball is going to start pretty close, 207 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,519 especially on the loger the clubs to where your club base is pointed. You 208 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,600 know, you can say, you know, seventy five eighty five percent probably 209 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,879 on the driver. You know, see wedge is gonna it's not going to 210 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:03,279 be as much, but you don't have to worry about it because the ball 211 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,759 doesn't move that much off when you're with your sandwich. So your typical seven 212 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,759 iron. Just assume the ball started pretty darn close to where that face was 213 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,279 pointed. Okay, so you saw your target was straight ahead. You saw 214 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,480 that ball start off to the left of your target. So what do we 215 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,759 know right now? Before anything? Your hips weren't open. No, that 216 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,399 doesn't matter. We're not worried about your hips or your shoulders, because that's 217 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,360 why I hear at first what happened on that shot? Oh my hips were 218 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,360 I don't care what happened with that Right now, we have to analyze club 219 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:33,840 face work first and then we work backwards to the body. Yeah so club 220 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:39,360 faced, Yeah, you left in your head. Okay, so your club 221 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,039 face had to be pointed left right, and the only way for that ball 222 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,279 to curve to the right would be with your club path further to the left. 223 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,559 Now, how much that ball curved is how how much your path was 224 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:58,120 to the left. So the greater difference between your path and your face is 225 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,080 the more curvature that you have. Okay. Now, obviously a driver is 226 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,080 going to move more because it's in the air longer. But if you have 227 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,720 if you start the ball on your target line. Like a lot of people 228 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:11,240 who swing over the top will start of the target line and they swing way 229 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,840 left. Okay, so it may start right on the target line for a 230 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,960 second, that peels way up to the right. That tells you you are 231 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:20,600 swinging your club path is way to the left. So you golfer have to 232 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:26,000 figure out your club path. Your club face was on the target line, 233 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,879 right, but you have to figure out how to swing your path on that 234 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,519 same line. I mean, you're gonna have to learn to close your club 235 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,200 face a lot more too, at the same time you're doing that. But 236 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,759 it's a simple analysis if you think about it. If the ball starts off 237 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:41,440 way to the right, which most people do, what happened. Your club 238 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,720 face is wide open. Learn to crank that club face down. Get yourself 239 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:48,320 a really strong grip when you look down at you. Most people, I 240 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,519 say, the weakest grips like weaker than John Rom's. Okay, and you 241 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,480 better see three to four knuckles most golfers. Okay, that way, it's 242 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:58,519 going to help the club face close on its own. You're talking about a 243 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,440 lead hand, right lead hand, Yeah, sorry about that. It's going 244 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,279 to help the club face close on its own and you'll be twisting the shaft 245 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,639 more and that gives you a chance. But what happens, and I've been 246 00:16:11,679 --> 00:16:15,200 fortunate to see this a couple of times. I saw athletic young golfers, 247 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,480 juniors. They hit a shot, a good swing inside out, the ball 248 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:22,559 went by twenty yards to the right. And these are brand new golfers, 249 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,399 okay, So within three to four shots, their path was probably fourteen to 250 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,399 little left and then their face got more center now or their face was even 251 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,080 left, so it curved into the right. So they're happy now with their 252 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,720 shot. But if somebody would have been there right at the right time, 253 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:40,080 said buddy, great swing path, let me just show you how to close 254 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:44,000 this club face, they would have been off to the races. But everybody 255 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,320 relates. This is why it's important. They always relate it to the club 256 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:51,679 path, what the ball is doing when it starts. So if you know 257 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,279 that it wasn't that it's your club face, then you'll know that your big 258 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:02,200 air and golf golfers is your club face. Mainly, fix your club face 259 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:04,640 and you will find life and golf will be much more fun. And that's 260 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:11,160 all done with the grip. Well, there's basically a couple of ways. 261 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,119 I'd say three ways to close the clubface. One is what most people do, 262 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:17,720 unfortunately, is they have a real weak grip. They take it back 263 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,720 and they square it up right in front by throwing the club face. Okay. 264 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,640 The other way you can do it is by this real rotational move like 265 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:27,160 this, which a lot of us were brought up to do. Okay, 266 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,319 it's so hard, it's impossible. And like even the pros they talk about 267 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,160 that have done it, they talk about two thousand shots a day, and 268 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,920 if you miss a day, it takes them three days to get that back. 269 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,240 Wow. Yeah, yeah, So tell me how you're our amateurs are 270 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:44,640 going to time that out. You're not. You may stripe one every once 271 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,519 in a while, but like you said, it's impossible. And the third 272 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:48,960 way is you can be like the pros. You get a stronger grip. 273 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,400 So the pros, I don't always have to have stronger if they've learned to 274 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:57,319 do what's called twisting the handle okay, and if if Fred can see my 275 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,799 hands, but what I'm doing is I'm twisting. Okay, So I'm going 276 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:06,400 from my left my lead wrist is extended here that cup so by the time 277 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,119 I can do the top of this wing, I have a choice. I 278 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,680 can flatten it out. So what did I do. I closed the club 279 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:12,480 face and if I just hold that more flat on the way down, my 280 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:15,559 club face is closed. The more I'm like this coming in with cup, 281 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:21,279 guess what the club face is wide, wide open. Okay, So the 282 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,359 pros what they typically do, say like John ram or whatever. He'll swing 283 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,640 up and he's twisting the shaft. John Rahm has done a lot of it 284 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,240 on the way up. That's why he's bowed. He's actually releasing on the 285 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:33,799 way down to an extended position that way. But most golfers, let's say 286 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:36,720 more that are more neutral. We'll get to the top and they're twisting the 287 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:38,680 shaft like this. If you guys, folks to see my hands. So 288 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,440 I go like this. It's like a motorcycle move. If you've ever rid 289 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:48,880 a motorcycle or anything that has handles that you turn for the throttle, you 290 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,759 want to take your lead hand is taking the throttle off. Turn it the 291 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,640 other way. Now, try to do that with a really strong grip. 292 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:57,599 You'll see the club If I have a really weak grip, Look how I 293 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,359 can barely turn my hand stronger. Look how much I can turn this thing 294 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,519 over. That means I can take the club and whip it down. Okay. 295 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,480 So most golfers need to fix their club face and they'll find out golf 296 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:12,400 will change forever for them. They were so hard path and they work and 297 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,599 everything. Fix your grip and then fix your club face and get your club 298 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,720 face in a much stronger position on the way down. The number one checkpoint, 299 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,680 i'd say for all golfers. So when you get to here, which 300 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:26,920 is P six where the club is sticking out like right here, your hands 301 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,519 are here? What do you mean? What's P six? Okay? So 302 00:19:30,759 --> 00:19:34,680 I we have got you know, the positions in golf, So we have 303 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:40,960 we have P one address P two. So let's say, let me give 304 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,400 roll some P fours when we get to the top, okay, is P 305 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:47,480 four so we have two three, which is arm parallel. P four is 306 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:49,359 I'm at the top. P five as we're getting back to arm parallel. 307 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:55,480 P six is club parallel to the ground before P seven is impact. Okay, 308 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,240 So P six is club parallel to the ground on the way down. 309 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,279 That club should be parallel to the ground. It should be a little bit 310 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,240 behind your hands and the angle of that club face. Most golfers see how 311 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,480 this angle is. That'd be matching my back angle if I was hitting about 312 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,799 like that. See it. Most golfers their clup faces like this wide open. 313 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:15,480 So when your face is wide open at p six, what do you 314 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:18,160 do? You stand up and you throw it. It's the only way to 315 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,359 hit it. That's why you see every golfer. Most golfers early extend. 316 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,200 They thrust their pelvis into the ball and they stand up because what is your 317 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:32,720 body doing. It's helping you get that clupface closed, but you're throwing your 318 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:34,599 pelvis at You're slowing things down, and what do you do? It helps 319 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,440 you square it, but you're just you're throwing it at the ball. That's 320 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,920 why your arms are extended at the ball instead of having more of this look. 321 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,720 But it's all bait. Did everything I say there was all based on 322 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:49,880 an open clupface. It wasn't based on anything else. So don't roll that 323 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,279 club face open on the way back, have control of it, have that 324 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,359 thing down, feel like it's shut as can be, and then learn to 325 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:02,480 just do that, because here's what happens. The antidote to the closed club 326 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:07,759 fase is guess what, your hips clearing out of the way like the professionals, 327 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,359 like everybody wants to have, right, it's not an artificial clearing. 328 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,400 It's your hips go, Holy smokes, I better get out of the way 329 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,359 or this ball is going a million miles left. What is the antidote to 330 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,000 the open face? Your hips stopping for you so you can close the club 331 00:21:22,079 --> 00:21:25,839 face. So if you want to look like Rory is not good, to 332 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,720 the top of your swing and flip your hips all the way because you're just 333 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:32,119 spinning out. It does you no good. You close your clup face and 334 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,359 after a little while your body goes, you know what, I gotta get 335 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,359 out of the way, or this's going way left. And that's the antidote 336 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,079 to the left. And guess what, then you start clearing out. But 337 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,799 everything I said there was based on the club face, yep. And don't 338 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,039 do what I do, which is tinker with it during your round. All 339 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,599 right, we're gonna take another time out. We'll be back right after this. 340 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:06,480 We talked about the nine different flight paths early. You mentioned it, 341 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,480 the ball flight laws, Yes, ball flight laws, Yeah, take go 342 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:17,160 deeper. I'm fascinated. Yeah, so they're really cool. It's it was 343 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:22,200 something that the old ones were wrong because the PJ had said that the ball 344 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:26,759 started closer to the path than the face, and when track Man came out, 345 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,559 they said, definitively, no, that's wrong, it's more on the 346 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,319 face. So we learned a lot of a lot about golf then, and 347 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,279 you know, it's really interesting. People asked how I taught back then? 348 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:42,200 What I told people? And you told some people wrong stuff because you would 349 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,680 have them swing more the right, which would cause a bigger hook for somebody 350 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,160 that would do it. But after a while we all knew that something's not 351 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,039 right because I'm telling this guy swing way over there on the ball's hooking more. 352 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,480 How can I tell them swing more to the left. This is working. 353 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,960 So even though we were told this and didn't understand it as coaches, 354 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,400 if you did it long enough, you figured it out, even though you 355 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,640 didn't have the data to prove it. So when TrackMan came out with that 356 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:11,160 tonus that the ball flew closer to where the face angle is, then we 357 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:15,079 learned a lot. So if you draw a straight just a straight line towards 358 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,039 your target path and then you had one go you know, like you pushed 359 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:22,079 it to the right, the other one you pulled it to the left. 360 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,759 Okay, there's three of them, and then you would have basically branches out 361 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:26,880 of each one of them. So I have the left, you'd have that 362 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,880 straight pole right, and then you would have one that would be a poll 363 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,079 hook as an option, and then you would have that pull, fade, 364 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,279 pull, slice, whatever you want to call it. So there's three there, 365 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:40,559 and then the same thing. The straight shot would have one that went 366 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,640 dead straight. You would have one that started on the line and then drew, 367 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,680 and then one that faded off of it. So there's you have three 368 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:51,319 off each one of those. So off of each one of those, you 369 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,799 can deduce what happened to any of your shots. And when you understand that, 370 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,079 you can make the changes that you need. So if I look at 371 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,599 a shot, a typical problem I'll have is I'll swing too far out to 372 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,319 the right and look it back in or leave a push out there, you 373 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,559 know, so I'll have a push draw or just a push just push it 374 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,880 straight out there. So if I push it out to the right, I 375 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,839 know the ball started to the right, and let's say it doesn't curve. 376 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:21,440 I know my club path and club face were exactly you can say exactly say 377 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,759 pretty much the same degree, Okay, So if the ball stays straight, 378 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:27,480 it doesn't matter if tragments those four degrees or six. Like I got an 379 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:32,359 idea about a little bit because I'm only a certain amount off to the right. 380 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,519 I know that my path and face are exactly the same, and then 381 00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:38,640 the So that's the one part. The other part is knowing if it curves 382 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:44,200 the right, your club path is inside of the face. If it curves 383 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,759 the other way, your path is outside the face angle. So I think 384 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,759 if you just see the chart once and understand those three, then you can 385 00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:56,000 figure out any golf shot. And and the thing is where like, without 386 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,759 knowing those how do you fix your golf game when you're playing? You can't 387 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,200 because you can't see your golf swing. And then for you to hit a 388 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:11,200 shot that you most people for you you know a pull cut or something in 389 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,000 there, you don't know for sure that what happened on that shot. So 390 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,799 it's like when you understand the ballfight laws, then you can go look at 391 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,920 a shot and go, I know what happened with my path and face and 392 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,400 our bodies are really good at organizing the other stuff around that. I mean, 393 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,519 you got to build a good foundation somewhat, get a good grip. 394 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,640 I tell people about golf. You know, if you build a foundation of 395 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,440 a good posture, good stance, you know your alignment can be different. 396 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:41,279 It's matchups for alignment. Get a good golf grip, you know, understand 397 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,039 a good posture, and then understand those ballflight laws. Then you'll understand what 398 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,240 path you need to make this work any I use ropes to teach people to 399 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,480 swing. Every time I put in a rope in somebody's hand that has a 400 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,759 twelve degree path to the left, way over the top right, they think, 401 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,720 oh, I can't fix this. I put a rope and I goes. 402 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,759 I stand on the right, I'll stand up the left. At first, 403 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:04,160 I swing to me. They do it really easy, and I'll walk 404 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,359 over about twenty feet to the right and say swing to me. That go 405 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,839 and swing right out to me like you did it in one swing. You 406 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,680 swung out to the right. So everybody can pick his path. There's nobody 407 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,680 that is like, I can't do this, But they don't understand the relationship 408 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:25,160 between the two. And when you understand that relationship. It's fixable. I'm 409 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,319 not I'm not trying to claim golf is easy, but golf is very very 410 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,799 hard when you don't have that basis as a framework. And I think if 411 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,839 everybody had that basis, golf would be golfers will be much much better. 412 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,519 But most golfers are just playing in the blind unfortunately because of that. Sure, 413 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:51,640 yeah yeah so, and trying to feel it while you're doing it is 414 00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:56,519 also really that's why video is so great. And I've been using the Arcost. 415 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:03,799 You talked about Arcost earlier. I've been using the Arcos and uh it 416 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,480 says that my my average drive is two thirty three. Okay, so a 417 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,200 little bit above normal, right, but sometimes I'll have a two eighty five 418 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,880 drive, right, and it's like yeah, yeah yeah. But then also 419 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,799 there'll be time so I'll have a one seventy five drive, you know. 420 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,839 That's why I'm a two eighty three. You know? Yeah? Are you 421 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,559 so? Year after a round you fix it. But you're able to go 422 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,799 through with arcos, which I love. Now you're able to look at it 423 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,799 and say, this is why are you set against Because I have an idea 424 00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,279 probably where you are as a handicammer, you set against a scratch or a 425 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,519 five or what do you set yours against? To look at ten? So 426 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,920 your goal is to be a ten and you're a what about nine? Six? 427 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:49,960 Okay, so you're looking at where you are in that arri's because I 428 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,400 know you can also set it against like a scratch and say yeah, okay, 429 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,039 I was like four behind that. Yeah, yeah, I don't want 430 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:00,920 to do that. I want to play like i'm playing. I want to 431 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,039 play consistent to where I am right now, and if I get improved on 432 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,279 it, that's great. But I'm not trying to be something i'm not. 433 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:15,400 And the fact that I'm I'm just around to ten right now is still amazing 434 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,759 to me. Well, I don't know what percent of the nation. I 435 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,799 can't remember what ten is. It's top I can't remember. I mean, 436 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,519 you're in the top fifteen percent. Maybe I think it's a big number. 437 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,400 Yeah. Somebody said, somebody asked me recently, are you a good golfer? 438 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,000 And I said, I'm not good, but I'm not bad. Yeah, 439 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:37,920 I know. I think it's very respectable. I mean it's you know, 440 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,559 I feel like, but you have a good you have a good knowledge. 441 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:42,480 You also do other things too. I mean, I don't we don't 442 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,880 know what Fred would be if he had. I think you always have to 443 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,119 factor in your ten handicap with you don't practice a ton, you don't play 444 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,000 a ton. What would you be if you had five days on the course 445 00:28:53,519 --> 00:29:00,920 a week tired, tired and achy, Ay, dude, I'm sixty eight 446 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,519 years old, I'd be I'd be in a lot of pain. I mean, 447 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,319 it's hard to hard to think that. But because you don't look at 448 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000 thank you, well you're welcome. Yeah, sponsors, you'll know why, 449 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,000 Well, yeah you do. But you do it right, yeah, one 450 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,920 hundred percent. It doesn't You got to work on it. But I think 451 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,519 that's the same as golf. But I think it's how you do it is 452 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,400 fine. You know, setting against ten, so you go have a round 453 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:30,880 and you can look at it when you didn't play as well and say, 454 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:37,640 well, I was plus three in my putting or whatever. You know where 455 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:41,079 you were off and probably I don't know yet if you're do you see trends 456 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,000 when you're going the wrong way, Possibly you have to say, oh my 457 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,319 putting's going a little or this is going a little awkward. It's Another thing 458 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,920 people have to have is arcos or some kind of something to tell them because 459 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:59,400 yeah, the feed. Yeah, I mean, the thing that's so interesting 460 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,359 is the first thing I'll look at is on it's my total number of putts. 461 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:06,920 And you know, I know that if I can keep it into the 462 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,799 twenty nine to thirty one thirty two range of putts in a round, I'll 463 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,119 have a decent score. But then if I have a high score, I'm 464 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680 like, oh, well, you had thirty nine putts today, you had 465 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,720 forty putts today, and you had four three putts and okay, so that 466 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,799 means the four three putts also could mean that I'm not picking the right club 467 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,559 on my approach shot because I'm leaving myself a sixty foot putt on my first 468 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,640 pot, and that's yeah, a sixty foot putt is like, okay, 469 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,480 that's gonna be a three putt perhaps, Yeah, yeah, I think over 470 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,079 thirty I think when you tour average, they go once it's over thirty two 471 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,759 feet, that's when they creep into a possible three putt. So at sixty 472 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:53,039 foot we have a pretty good chance. Yeah you said thirty two. Yeah, 473 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,640 so I think once it goes are thirty two, their putts go to 474 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,519 thirty, they go to two point oh one. At thirty two feet or 475 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,440 thirty three feet is when they finally break over over a two point oh one 476 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,680 and they had at thirty two or thirty three feet. My last couple of 477 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,200 rounds, I actually started looking at what's the length of my first putt. 478 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,480 That's the one of the number of things you can do that first. That 479 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,160 helps on the approach, right, because now it's telling me if I'm using 480 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,839 the right clubs on my approach shots massive. It gives you this massive new 481 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440 level done it than just gi rs or how many pots. That number is 482 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,200 absolutely crucial to having. It makes a world of difference huge. So that's 483 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,920 good. That's good, you're getting that data. Okay, we talked about 484 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,920 earlier about comparing ourselves to how pros improve how versus how we improve. When 485 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:49,279 we come back after this break, let's talk about how a fifteen handicap versus 486 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:55,279 a three handicap, you know, because three handicap is not someone who's gonna 487 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:57,079 be making the tour at anytime soon, no matter how good they think they 488 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,720 are. So let's let's find out what's happening on golf Smarter Mulligans this week, 489 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,240 and then we'll back right after this. This week on Golf, Smarter 490 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:12,160 Mulligans is the second conversation with legendary coach Jim Hardy, just after he published 491 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,160 his book Solid Contact. You know, recently I heard someone say golf's a 492 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,240 simple game that's really hard. Well, in this hour long episode with Jim, 493 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,799 he puts it this way, Golf is a ten thousand different pieces, 494 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,720 all some way glued together. And the ball flights of mystery and the impacts 495 00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,960 of mystery, and our swings a mystery, and we've got timing, tempo, 496 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,759 rhythm and balance. We've got a strong grip, a week grip. 497 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,119 You bendo where you stand up, you put the ball forward, you put 498 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,039 the ball back, You make a long back swing, a short back swing, 499 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,000 you take it straight back, you take it to the inside, You 500 00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,279 cock your wrists, you're across the line, your legth off. I could 501 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,880 go on for hours, but that's why people look at golf. They look 502 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,279 at golf as though we've got all the colors of the rainbow going on, 503 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,359 plus fall the sounds of an arch distract going on, and it's just too 504 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,119 complicated. That's Episode two hundred and thirty seven of Golf Smarter Mulligans, the 505 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:13,160 second of two episodes with Jim Hardy after the release of his book Solid Contact. 506 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,440 Originally published as a member's only episode in April of twenty twelve, this 507 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,759 is the first time this episode has ever been shared publicly and it's a good 508 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:27,079 one. So if Golf Smarter is one of your favorite golf podcasts, then 509 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,720 don't miss the chance to get two episodes each week, Golf Smarter on Tuesdays 510 00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:37,680 and golf Smarter Mulligans episodes from our archives that revisit the best of Golf Smarter 511 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:43,519 that cannot be found on any podcast platform anymore. They're both available for free 512 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:53,119 from wherever you're listening right now. So golfers who would love to get to 513 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,839 a low index, and I'm not even gonna call it scratch, because that's 514 00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:02,200 just to be a scratch golfer, your consistency has to be on such a 515 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:07,680 high level and it doesn't even come close to what the pros do. Because 516 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:15,079 even the best player at your local course, if you're country club and they're 517 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,000 playing the same course over and over and over again, or you're on the 518 00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:22,119 men's club, are you just you know, you like to compete locally. 519 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:30,199 Getting to a low index versus versus scratch is a tremendous amount of work. 520 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:37,719 Getting fifteen to attend takes work. I mean, it all takes work. 521 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,599 It's not a game of perfection and it's not a game of consistent progress. 522 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,800 And anyone thinks they can get better every time out is fooling themselves. Correct, 523 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,119 that's a good point, I think, you know. So we have 524 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,719 so much data now to know the difference. You know, as I think 525 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480 I said earlier, to look at if you're fifteen, you want to become 526 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,280 a five, which a lot of people I see say that they want to 527 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,039 attain a certain level. And I'm like, that's great, So let's sit 528 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,800 down and look at what is the difference between you and then. And that 529 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,800 doesn't mean I'm showing them a swing of what a five is, because I 530 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,800 think there's a couple of things to be worried about with handicaps. Is this 531 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:22,920 is that you can look at golf. I don't love handicapped for this reason, 532 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,519 because it's now it's eight of your best twenty. Okay, so what 533 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,679 kind of I know a lot of golfers that can shoot a seventy eight eight 534 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,440 times and they can shoot in the nineties. So are they Are they a 535 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,360 seventy eight shooter? No? I think there should be any whatever, every 536 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,440 eighty five shooter, and that's what they should be called. And yeah, 537 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,159 I mean we're calling them that bad. I think for them that would help 538 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:47,400 them, right, isn't that more real? Like eight of your best twenty? 539 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:52,079 Now, there's golfers that are consistent. There are some that shoot seventy 540 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,039 eight to eighty three. They're out there and then that's then the handicap is 541 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,360 a good number for them. But most golfers are not like that. Oh 542 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,519 no, No, I mean like I got to a point recently where over 543 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:08,760 my last twenty rounds was a ten stroke like seventy six to eighty six where 544 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:14,400 it was my you know, the range that I had that is incredibly consistent 545 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,119 for me. I couldn't believe. It's like wow, over twenty rounds. 546 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:22,440 I you know, I know that a handicap is there for gambling purposes, 547 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,719 but a handicap shows your potential. It doesn't show what your average score is. 548 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,079 And I think that for the gambling purposes you got to go. You 549 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,559 know what I might generally I shoot an eighty three. Okay, let's work 550 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:42,599 from that, not ye a nine hands cap. You should have your last 551 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,239 twenty if you entered them, average them. You know what I mean. 552 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,119 It's if you're honest with your score, just average it and then that's. 553 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,880 Oh, it'll tell you. It says your last It'll show you on the 554 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:58,239 gin USGJ. Yeah, it says, here's your last twenty rounds, your 555 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,199 high score, your low score, and the ape score of those twenty. 556 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:06,719 Use that. Use then you know what else, and you know what else, 557 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:15,360 and then move up to the test. Moving back. Everybody the ego 558 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:21,159 I hate this. Okay. You know what, if you want to play 559 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,800 the back tease, you're going to get in less trouble because it's designed for 560 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,639 your skill level. And that's why they put the bunkers where they do, 561 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,199 in the water where they do. If you want to not get to the 562 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,679 bunkers, move back. Okay, fine, fine, But if you want 563 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:43,760 to have more fun playing golf, play it forward. Man. What How 564 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,119 what distance do you play your corset? I don't know about I usually, 565 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,920 honestly, I never look at the distance. I look at the slope. 566 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:57,119 I look the slop okay, so you're you do a better job that way. 567 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,320 I think it's I don't know, it's I have not run into this 568 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,480 yet. I so I try not to judge people yet because I hope I'm 569 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,159 not one. I usually am not ego driven with so many things. So 570 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,440 I don't like when I go play golf with my wife a lot. I'll 571 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,039 play the reds with her, but I don't whip a driver oute ever, 572 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,719 like I'll hit an iron off the tee and have fun because I don't want 573 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,400 to go back and forth to tea boxes, and I just I think it's 574 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,679 fun for me and her just tea off the same tea box. We're more 575 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,840 together instead of a part. So I hope that is a thing for me 576 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:30,239 saying I'll be able to do it, but move up, don't. I 577 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,199 don't think I'll have that ego issue. I don't know why men do, 578 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,679 because I don't think people look down on anybody for it. And I feel 579 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,280 sorry for those guys that when you hit a three wood or a hybrid every 580 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,679 time in the second shot, and I teach those guys, I'm like, 581 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,079 isn't that get tiring and old? And they're like, well yeah, but 582 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:50,599 I'm not going up to those teas. Well. You know what, that's 583 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,440 an interesting point is that you know, no one's going to look down on 584 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,840 you from moving forward, but boy are they going to have judgments if you're 585 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,000 playing from the back teas and you don't belong there. Oh you're that's where 586 00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:07,599 the judgments are. Yeah, and so like, dude, you should not 587 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,639 be playing the black the back tees. You should not do that. Yeah, 588 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,480 it's interesting, but people, I think, equate it to the other 589 00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:19,079 way, which is really interesting. So yeah, I hope, I hope 590 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,880 I don't have an issue, and I hopefully if you are getting better. 591 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,079 I just think I don't know what it was. I don't know if it's 592 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:30,519 the ladies tea that it got called and you're not. I don't call them 593 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:34,639 the lady's I know, and I think I don't know if that. I 594 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,280 think my point is by saying that for so many years that that got in 595 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,719 men's minds that they can't move forward. But I you know, I don't 596 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,400 know they have you know, T boxes that are a part of it. 597 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,000 I don't I just know I would never want to hit a three wood out 598 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,440 of the fair rate. I don't like hitting it now on part fives. 599 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,559 I don't love hitting three woods, like I'd like to have an iron in 600 00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,519 my hand, so if I wouldn't do it all day long. So you 601 00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,440 know, I'm not going to play a T box where I have hit three 602 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,079 woods, you know, but fourteen of the holes to it hopefully to the 603 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:04,400 green I mean on my second shot, and probably end up short. So 604 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,679 I'll move up, I promise. Oh wait, wait, wait, you 605 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,599 don't use driver? You lost me on that? What? No, I 606 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,199 don't love even hitting three woods on a par five from me if I play 607 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719 that tea is like I like hitting irons. I would hate to have to 608 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,280 do it fourteen times in a row, have to hit a three wood because 609 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,559 I'm short, you know, like a lot of people have to, you 610 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,559 know. So it's like I would I like it. I'd rather play a 611 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:30,559 T box where I have an eight iron in yeah yeah, oh yeah, 612 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,800 yeah yeah. Well the whole idea of playing forward was play like the pros 613 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,639 do you know. It's like, but what do they do? They hit? 614 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,639 They'll hit driver or three wood and then a wedge or a nine iron 615 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,320 or an eight iron. That's what we do. We're hitting driver and then 616 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,239 a hybrid. Yeah, it's like I think a good way to think about 617 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,920 it is most people, if they watch golf, look at the clubs they 618 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,320 use on their second and find the tea box that fits that, right. 619 00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,280 I mean it's like if they're hitting driver nine irons, drivers, wedges, 620 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,679 drivers, some iron, then find t boxes that allow you to hit driver 621 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,440 some iron and that'll be fun. It'll be much more fun. Look. 622 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,599 Yeah, so you know, getting back to your point on what somebody needs 623 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,880 to do to get to if you're everybody's going to have a little different path 624 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,760 to go from twenty to fifteen to fifteen, ten, ten to five, 625 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,559 handicap five and down. If we're using handicap as the as just the general. 626 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,960 You know, Art Coast uses that a lot because it makes it easier 627 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,719 to look at numbers. But you're going to find out when you grab those 628 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,760 numbers what you need work on. Okay, and typically people aren't as good 629 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,880 as punt. If I had a prescription for somebody that you just want to 630 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,760 score better, it's going to be within one hundred yards. Okay, you're 631 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,039 going to get your one hundred yard game better. But that doesn't mean that's 632 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,960 the prescription for everybody. You need to get your usually your whole game better. 633 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,679 But if it's like Eric, I have one month we're getting I got 634 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,519 to get as good as like can in a month. I'm like, okay, 635 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,800 we're getting really good short game here. That's that's where that's the low 636 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,920 hanging for you, right with everything. But if you have to improve your 637 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:02,000 whole game, you need these metrics to say, and I'm only hitting five 638 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,840 greens per round. If I want to shoot an eighty, I have to 639 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,920 get to eight, eight to nine greens. You know you do have to 640 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,159 get there on average, right, So that's a good metric right there. 641 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,559 You know you're driving distance probably can't be from a back T two twenty and 642 00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:22,039 do that you're knock hit three woods in and get down to a five handicapped. 643 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,920 You better have a lot of irons in your hands if you want to 644 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,000 go down to a five handicap. So if your business doesn't match less ease, 645 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,000 you better get up to the right tea that'll allow you to hit the 646 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,559 right irons in. But it's a pretty simple formula when you look at it 647 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,480 of what you need to get better at to reach whatever handicap you want. 648 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,960 When we have the data in front of us, so you know, if 649 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440 you go get a lesson, show up to your lesson and have some stats, 650 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,000 if you play and say this is what I get, this is typically 651 00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,360 where I am. I want to get here, and then you can kind 652 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,199 of build a plan off that and what you need to do based on whatever 653 00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,440 the golfer does. So it doesn't have to be I think golf it's really 654 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,800 complicated, but it doesn't have to be as as complicated I think as it 655 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,480 is, especially with the data we have today, should make it much easier, 656 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,760 not harder, to get to an answer of what we need to do 657 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,039 to get better. And it's typically you can break it down, like I 658 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,760 said greens and regulation. You can look at how many putts and like green 659 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,679 putts fairways hit. You know, to get your fairways hit up. So 660 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,639 somebody say well, I always get kicked back from somebody to say well I 661 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,280 hit I hit twelve fairways. I'm like, okay, you probably drive it 662 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,639 one eighty two right. That's the only way somebody's sitting that many fairways. 663 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,360 They aren't hitting it far right. So then they run into that. Everybody 664 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,880 everybody does something different and you always get comments from somebody, well my foursome. 665 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,639 Nobody does that. I'm like, well, this is uh Arcos is 666 00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,320 nine hundred million shots, not your foresome. So remember that. It's a 667 00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:51,800 it's a general look at things that you can base some numbers off that are 668 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,679 pretty good, you know what I mean. So it's just the general idea, 669 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,960 a way to break it down. But I think going back, if 670 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,199 you want to become a better golfer and you want to get down, go 671 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,360 back to a lot to what we talked about, learning your face angle and 672 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,440 ball flight, those ballfight laws. Get your learn to close your garden club 673 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:13,840 face so you can get a more piercing shot that comes off lower with more 674 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,280 spin. You'll quit hitting behind it, no more tops. You'll get spin 675 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:21,519 and you'll hit you'll hit the greens, it won't roll anymore. But that's 676 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,639 all having a nice clothes cup face. Awesome. All right, we're and 677 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,320 you're still teaching at I teach up at McCormick ranch back with the range you 678 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,000 got teaching bay there, and I teach online Arizona, right, gott Arizona. 679 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,280 Yeah, so you can find me an ejs goolf dot com. And 680 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,159 that's where basically all my stuff is and do some I think you see me 681 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,559 on some social media stuff. Are doing a little more. I'm doing more 682 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,679 YouTube stuff because I like long, long format where I can talk like I 683 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,000 did here and get more in depth. I just feel like it's hard and 684 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,280 minute to three minutes to get out what you you know, what you want 685 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,840 to talk about, and help you absolutely the whole golf yep. Ye. 686 00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,639 Well, it's great to talk to you again. As we started out saying, 687 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,199 let's see where it goes. It went and it was a lot of 688 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,960 information and a lot of helpful information and insights and as always Eric, it's 689 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,320 a blaster to talk to you. Thank you man, but love talking to 690 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,199 you and hopefully make golfers there today. Man, I just loved hearing from 691 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:29,599 Golf Smarter Ambassador John Delil, the golf coach from South Vermilion High School in 692 00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,280 Clinton, Indiana. As he said in the opening, we Golf Smarter, 693 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,360 you should too. John chose to receive Tony Manzoni's video of the Lost Fundamental, 694 00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:43,039 which I'm sure he's going to use for himself and for his students. 695 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,840 Now, I'd love to tell you that there are tremendous benefits to being a 696 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:52,199 Golf Smarter Ambassador. But most platforms that offer you special incentives come with a 697 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,760 cost and a commitment. Not here. The first benefit of being one of 698 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,880 our ambassadors is just peace of mind. Sharing what you've learned with your podcast 699 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,239 listening golf Buddies is the seed that helps us grow our audience, and the 700 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:14,840 benefit comes when you discuss insights and advice you've received from our latest episode while 701 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,000 you're on the course. 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