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Yeah, Yeah y. August eighteen, twenty twenty three. Allegedly, according

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at o'ceelli dot com. Now,
I tried to add a little bit of

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extra push to the social media to
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do know you can participate. My
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and we're gonna run this now.
It is usually open form. Lets

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you say anything you want to say, that's for sure, and we're gonna

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do that. However, I had
a little chat with me Pete about how

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we're gonna be mindful about moving things
along a little quicker because people are tuning

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out and not wanting to hear the
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the live show when we linger too
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just because of the certain topics,
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show should move along, quicker.
Tell you an instant automatic way to do

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that is if more of you decide
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voices. I can pop people on
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put you back on hold doesn't mean
I can't bring you back. So get

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yourself together, Come on and say
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you want to be funny. Let's
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the drudgery. Let's get a break
from the Look at the latest pile of

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indictments, endorsements, criminal activity by
various government agents and their family, politicians,

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etc. Let's let's go to that
shore. Let's go to the fact

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that even though Russia is engaged in
a military operation, a special one they

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say, with Ukraine, I just
got a news story the other day that

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they launched a mission to the moon. Let's get into the low of these

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are the stories. Let's take a
look at you know, everybody likes to

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talk about Chicago and gang activity.
Holy crap, look at Haiti. Anyway

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we could go there, or we
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each other, Let's learn from one
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join us calling in at three one
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six. Hell, if you got
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happened to you of interest and you'd
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have the whole world listening, but
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might be interested in that story.
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August. So if you're hearing it
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and day, yeah, you can't
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us live, do it. Do
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the hell? What did Arnold used
to say? Was that a Nike slogan.

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I don't want to use slogans.
Let's just do this, man,

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Let's do something different, and let's
do something more productive and positive than the

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rain of crap I get in my
emails and social medias and all that good

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stuff. Although I joined a couple
of groups on the Twitter x recently,

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anybody doing that, that's weird,
almost like they're trying to grab a little

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something off of the meta universe or
Facebook lately social media. Are you withdrawn

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from it? Do you care?
Oh? We also still have plenty of

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that swag stuff available. Getting ready, gett namped up to try and get

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ourselves to Dallas and arrived there in
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host here tonight to do because he's
going to be doing most of the driving,

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if not all of it, going
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we go there for the conference in
November. So we could talk about that,

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we could talk about the special that
I'm going to do on Monday,

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where we're going to seriously dissect one
of the newest, latest, greatest raves

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out there in documentary land that claims
to solve the JFK assassination once again,

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and of course you know I've got
issues with it. So we're going to

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do a watch along with the TNP
guys, and I'm going to tell you

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in real time what's wrong with the
provable objective information. Not my opinion,

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not that I don't like their theories, not that a lot of theories are

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exciting, interesting and fascinating, but
at least know your MATI A, no

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the evidence before you start making declarations
about set evidence and etc. Anyway,

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all that's coming up next week.
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Mondays as a regular practice on the
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a permanent change, and there may
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my show, my performances, et
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we've gone to mostly one hour shows
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more, a little less. Oh
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Mike Swanson and Larry Hancock both on
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a two hour show on next Thursday, and this call in show will remain

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go over two hours if you guys
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a maggot and the thing the name
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and all those other good slurs.
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information regarding the show. Anyways,
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and with that, I want to
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host b Pete, how are you
doing? Man? Doing pretty good.

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It's been a hectic week, very
hectic week. Literally just walked in the

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door and started catching up on some
things that happened during the week. But

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the weather has been hot. It's
been nastily hot. AC conked out on

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Tuesday front on one hundred dollars later. Everything's working fine. Now you can

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hanging beef in the living room.
I've got a cold enough in here.

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Oh the AC in your house went
Did you have central air or I got

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central air? And it went out. It was a believe it or not.

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It was a loose wire on the
contactor module and it burned. And

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when it burned, it warped the
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wire down. So not having the
insert to stick in there had to replace

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the whole piece at about two hundred
and fifty bucks. So what's like,

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what's likely to bean manufactured for like
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you three hundred bucks to replace because
huh, well, no, this one

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was a little more expensive. It's
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your signal comes from your thermostat to
cut on. Okay, it has an

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electromagnet that slams back the contract contacts
and elets to twenty run through the system,

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so it takes a jolt every time
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a twenty dollars part they cost you
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depending on the depending on the grade
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in the contacts. But no other
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day of the year. I mean
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It was like one hundred and one
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but it was a comfortable eighty five
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we got fixed in this running and
everything is chilly. I got icicles hanging

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off of stuff. I didn't know
you didn't have icicles hanging from us?

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How cold? I got it just
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we're doing good. I was scanning
topics and two things that if you

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want to throw in for later to
discuss. One the devastating fires in Maui

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get really taken a toll at number
two. Michael Burry, who his big

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claim to fame was being one of
the subjects of the book in the movie

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The Big Short, He's the one
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own firm and decided to short the
housing market, ended up making a cool

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eight hundred million combined. Well,
he just bet oh the equivalent of one

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point six billion on the stock market
crash, right, and so it's been

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big talk here to past couple of
days right now. That was brought up

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on the New Prisoners broadcast earlier today, which for some ungodly reason they got

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to start at ten a. Uh
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there, and that was brought up
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Didn't do his show today because his
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That's a trend lately as well,
but not not not for him mainly,

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but for me mostly. But anyway, it seems to be contagious.

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Point is, though he brought that
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keep a watch on and keep a
watch on it. But you know,

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I gotta say that when I see
these guys shorting markets and stuff, it's

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never the one that's obvious in the
news that usually is the big deal,

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right, It's usually the one you
catch later and you go, wow,

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how did this person know that,
you know, the tech sector was going

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to crash? Yeah, this one
got caught only because it was Michael Burry.

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He's been he's been big in the
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as well. Let's see what Michael
Burry thinks about the situation. You know,

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people have are predicting a stock market
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nine years, pretty heavily. Well, it's been a predictable. Look,

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they've been saying that since the nineties. Honestly, I mean I've been getting

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the you know, back in the
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on shortwave radio, people were talking
about the possibility of the collapse of the

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dollar, the stock market crashing,
and the stock market has crashed various times.

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The nature of the crashes is different
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great Depression era, for sure,
because of the advent of the computers

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coming in and that has changed the
speed of things, etcetera. So I

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mean, you have a different reality
emerged here and merged, emerged and merged.

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Kind of funny that way. And
you know the weird thing also chat

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GPT and the changes of a maybe
you can just use algorithms to do stuff,

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etcetera, etcetera. I mean,
look, it's a weird world.

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It's a brave new world sometimes,
and yeah, it's something to keep an

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eye on. Plus, you know
that Maui fire thing. The other topic

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you brought up, I gotta say
immediately and predictably, I knew I was

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going to hear it. Well,
Direct and Energy Weapons conspiracy that the other

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day. I thought, oh my
god, are they still on the direct?

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You know who was who's the check
back during nine to eleven they got

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into it would fix her? And
well that was Judy wood Wood. Yeah,

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she was the one with the lasers. And and look, I don't

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object to the idea that something like
that could happen, but there are some

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weird things going on, and there's
some horrible things going on there. I

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mean, the vultures are definitely out
to play at the picnic, because what

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are they doing. They've shown up
to uh, you know, already call

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people before they even get to pull
their family members bodies out of the ashes,

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to say, hey, hey,
we'll buy your property even though it's

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burnt up. The opportunists are running
amok. And there was even a book

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allegedly published weirdly enough, like the
day before the disaster, recounting the disaster,

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which you know, I don't know
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not sure if that's you know,
some sort of me it's cue. I

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mean, I've definitely seen Amazon list
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things, like where they say something
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we have not actually come to yet. I've seen things like that happened before.

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But this was kind of strange that
some people had screenshots alleging that a

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book had been released about the fire
before the fire, you know, and

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not like this could happen but a
matter of we're going to tell you what

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happened already and somebody hit the published
button a day early or something. I

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mean, that's weird. And the
idea of the directed energy weapons, of

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course, we faced that during the
California fires, the Paradise fire, the

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other one, what was the camp
fire? I forget all the names because

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there's so many California's on fire all
the time. But anyway, yes,

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that is a volid topic. Well
yeah, and on that topic of this

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book, it seems that some people
are claiming it's an AI written book and

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it was published like the day after
let's see, see Amazon's listening to the

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public all couldn't find the page.
Suddenly it's off Amazon's page. Yeah,

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who could humanly write a book?
You know? I mean, could you

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conceivably write a book as something is
happening? Sure, but what kind of

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information are you going to have in
there? Is it likely that an AI

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program was dispatched to do this?
I would say yes, whether it was

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published ahead of time or not to
get a book out that quickly. I

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mean you and I know, I've
known plenty of people who have written books,

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right, I mean, and it
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ones the right books. Okay,
yeah, but I guess if you feed

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the right information into one of these
you know, chat CHPT programs, you

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could probably spit something out. I
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Mike Swanson like that. Though I
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on Thursday. I haven't published it
yet from last night, but interesting recounting

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people that were arguing with him about
certain things, and they went and got

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information off of one of these AI
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certain things were against the law.
And they cited all these codes and uh

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and you know, legal precedents and
whatnot, but a whole bunch of ordinances

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and such were listed and links were
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tell him, hey, look,
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Mike was writing about somebody trying to
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apparently is sketchy and kind of has
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but it's not definitively illegal. I
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but people were writing to him saying, no, you're an idiot,

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it's illegal. Here's why. And
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to follow the link and it has
nothing to do with you know, campaign

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finance. Like maybe there's maybe the
the great AI made mistakes is that one

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problem one with this thing that came
up is when Amazon listed their description.

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It described it as talking about the
events of the fire from August eighth to

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eleventh, but it was it was
put up on the tenth on Amazon.

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So they're saying that's where the confusion
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not what was actually in the book, but from what I'm looking at here,

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they've gone through and stripped it down
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or somebody just that said there's clues
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AI and so apparently somebody just you
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claimed it was generated by chat GPT, and you know, there's really nothing

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in there except you know, basically
news events of what happened. So who

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knows but the fire itself. I
was looking at looking at what they had

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to do, the forensics involved in
these recovery teams to go in and try

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to find remains, and so far
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that they found are usually where there
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into these places, they automatically start
checking beds, and a lot of people

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were still in bed when this thing
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argument over using the sirens to alert
people. Yeah, and the argument to

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counter argument so far, I guess
from the guy who now I guess resigned

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from his position due to health issues. He says, but I'm sure the

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stress of this circumstance made him go
I'm out. He was saying, Look,

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it's a siren meant for something else. People might have gone with the

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going to higher ground principle here and
that would have been a bad thing to

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do in this circumstances. Which,
yeah, the silence system is located along

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the beach and it was set up
for tsunamis and an alert for those And

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he said, everybody you know has
been trained over the years. When the

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sirens go off, you go to
high ground. He says. The problem

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is, had we let that happen, people would have Mackley wanted to run

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towards the fire and that's what they
didn't deploy it. You know, other

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people are saying that's crazy. At
least it would have woken people up and

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they could have found out what was
going on they needed to evacuate. Well,

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maybe they're that one to two s
day. Yeah, and maybe there

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needs to be a different signal that's
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you're supposed to find some other way
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which I thought they had with the
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a couple of years ago. Anyway, somebody asked in the chat room about

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the JFK movie that I brought up, and what's garbage about it? Yeah,

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you're gonna find out. And I
think it's j Wide Nurse, the

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guy, one of the guys involved
there with that movie. But look,

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it's not a personal thing with this
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And I started watching it just like
I get aggravated with these things,

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and I said, oh my god, I can't believe we're gonna go through

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this. And maybe I'll give you
a couple of highlights and hints about what's

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wrong with it before I'm done tonight. But it's it's purely an exercise in

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you know what, you Guys often
will forgive the inaccuracies in somebody's presentations when

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they come to a conclusion you'll like. And that's a dangerous problem lately,

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is that if they come to the
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it's okay. If they violate the
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violate the standards of I don't know, giving you reliable evidence, It's okay.

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If they tell you that somebody who
was not the CIA director is the

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CIA director at the time in making
their point, it's okay. If they

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misrepresent how things were presented and what
was available to the public, it's okay

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because their conclusion goes along with something
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If people do that, then yeah, sure, you can forgive a lot

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of stuff. I can forgive John
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I can forgive Gerald Posner for his
mistakes because he made a couple of good

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points. Did I just say that
that left he's anyway, Look, I

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could forgive Vince Bugliosi forgetting a whole
bunch of crap wrong. If I want

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to forgive people presenting inaccurate evidence,
I can forgive. I can't forgive Judy

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Baker. I was going to try
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that. Ye get away with that. I'm sorry I would have. I

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would have called bullshit on that,
right, But I mean, but I

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could forgive earlier stages of Jim Fetzer's
career, not you know, not the

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past ten years or so, but
earlier stages where you know, maybe he

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was just mistaken about certain things when
he presented accurate information at the beginning of

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his talks. Now it was mixed
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that was a mistake or whatever.
But here's the problem again, if you're

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going to view things through a lens
that assumes a conclusion that you want to

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get to, it's very fascinating how
you can forgive a whole lot of misinformation

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along the way, even if that's
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So on Monday, we're gonna give
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along of this brand new documentary that
is apparently getting a lot of attention and

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a lot of legitimacy because a whole
bunch of balt media people because it was

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on one of the very prominent podcasts
that has tons and tons of followers out

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there, and who knows, maybe
Rogan will bring this guy on, maybe

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somebody else will bring maybe it'll get
even more legitimacy very very soon as we

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get up to the sixtieth anniversary,
and it's just loaded with inaccuracies and claims

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to have solved the case, So
yeah, we're going to take give that

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some special attention. But look,
I don't want to get too deep into

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the JFK discussion or anything else.
We have one caller waiting on the line,

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and hopefully we'll have some more.
Three one nine, five, two

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seven, five zero one six is
the number tw call if you want to

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join us, so be pete.
Any other topics that you want to toss

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out there generally? Or should we
begin the process of mantic colors when here

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apparently you know, the bud Light
boycott and the results of that. We've

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been discussing it off and on for
the past couple of weeks of how bad

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it's affected the sales of bud Light. But there's a headline here says Kid

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Rock enjoys a bud Light. Wait
what somebody snap pictures of Kid Rock with

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a bud Light tan while he's drinking
the beer after he had, you know,

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famously shot up a couple of cases
of bud Light with his AR fifteen.

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So apparently Kid Rock can be forgiving
and has now embraced the Dylan mulvaney

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beer well, or is it just
that he doesn't really care what he's drinking,

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so long as he gets the result
and the spectacle of giving the finger

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to bud Light and their whole company
and everything else because they made a couple

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of custom beer cans for a transgender
Uh, you know, really truly atrocious

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individual online. Uh yeah, well
maybe he just forgot that he's supposed to

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be outraged. Is that possible?
Be Pete, what do you think?

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I don't know, Kid Rock who
cheers? Well, see that's the other

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thing. See, I saw he
was trending and I added that to one

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of my posts on Twitter, just
that he was trending along with Tucker Carlson

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and something else I forget. Uh
And I was just like whatever, And

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I barely looked at it. And
of course that's what this is. But

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I mean, end of the day, if you're looking to Kid Rock for

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you know, guidance, advice,
a role model of some kind in your

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life, I'm sorry. I'm really
really sorry. Hey, you know,

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you gotta trust a guy with a
midget in his entourage. Come on,

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now, look, I give you
that point, but kids the trend,

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I mean, you know, come
on, how seriously am I supposed to

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take kid right? It was like
when people were so so bent out of

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shape about Ted Nugent. I'm going
but Ted Nugent is Ted Nugent. Ye

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has always been the way he is
people. I guess it's because he got

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I don't know, he wanted to
inject himself into politics where they said okay,

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that's enough. You know, well
if not, he was worse at

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a certain point really with his behaviors. I mean, you want to talk

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about you know, some non PC
some definitely cringe worthy stuff, even pre

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Me Too movement. I mean,
Ted Nugent was like a poster boy for

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what they used to call misogyny.
I mean, you know, I had

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to admit though he did one of
the best concerts I've ever been to.

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Oh yeah, look I saw him. You know, I saw a weird

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situation where he opened for Kiss.
I know that sounds strange, but it

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happened. He opened for Kiss on
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I want to say, I think
it might have been the early nineties,

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but it might have been the late
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out the Asylum album. Might have
to look it up. Yeah, well,

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if you think about it, though, you know, even a lot

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of people. I don't know a
lot of people know Ted Nugent from his

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days of Chat Scratch Fever, But
if you go all the way back to

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the Amboy Dukes, you know Ted
news has been around for a while,

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pretty long while. Well so it
Kiss. You know, let's see studio

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album released on Oh geez wow.
I didn't realize it was that early.

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Apparently Kiss released that album in eighty
five, so they must have done the

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tour in like eighty six because it
was released in September of eighty five.

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So by the time they got to
Jersey probably eighty six and Ted Nugent opened

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for the non makeup Kiss, And
I remember thinking to myself, this is

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really interesting because only a few years
earlier, it might have almost been the

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other way around. Uh. Ted
Nugent might have been a bigger act than

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Kiss on a lot of levels.
Right. I don't know when did Cats

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Scrash Fever come out, or they
might have been co ed liners. I

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don't know. Let's take a look
Cat Scratch Fevers. Nugent's first album,

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Nugent, came out in seventy five. This is for This was his first

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album after leaving the Amboy Dukes.
Okay, so Ted Nugent and that's wasn't

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that a live album? Leave so
and that's why you know he left the

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Dukes because they weren't hardcore enough for
him. You know he was he was

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a workaholic. But yeah, his
first album was seventy five. Kiss came

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out in Oh crap, when was
your first album? Seventy two? But

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Kiss was early seventies. I think
Nugent was, you know, same time.

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I'm just saying it could have very
easily been the same same time period

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where they should have co headlined.
Right. Uh, let's see a cat

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Scratch Fever Wang Dang Sweet Boom Dang
was released May thirteen, nineteen seventy seven.

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Homebound. Okay, blah blah blah, All right, let's see.

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Yeah, it seems as though seventy
seven as the kind of peaked before Kiss

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got to You said that album was
out eighty five and the tour probably eighty

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six. Yeah, was on his
way down. I mean that was after

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his crest, after Cat Scratch Fever. Oh no, No, Nugent had

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not had a major massive hit in
a while. I mean he had done

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what Little mis Dangerous or something,
and maybe been on some movie soundtracks at

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that point, right, I mean, that's where he was at and and

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still going to play the hits,
you know, to tour finding Andy and

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probably could have been a headliner all
by himself. But I just was like

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looking at it, feeling strange about
watching Ted Nugent open for the unmake up

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kiss, which was never as popular
as you know, kiss with makeup,

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right, which is why they went
back to it in ninety nine or whatever

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or ninety six, I forget what
year they did that. They went and

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they did a couple of shows in
Vegas to reunite and all that. But

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anyways, let's not delve too long
into that. We could talk music,

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we could talk whatever topics you want. And now we've got two callers,

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so let's let's get started on them. And again let's try and be quick

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about things. Move along topics and
topic unless you got any more you want

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to throw in BPD or you want
to save up a couple for our next

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lull in the discussion. Well,
I'm scanning now as we go, so

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yeah, go ahead and bring all
the callers fair enough so in the order

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that they called in, and of
course we have with us the infamous Jimmy

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James so or is he? Is
he famous? Is he infamous? I

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have not heard from your fan club
in a while, Jimmy, but I'm

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sure now that I mentioned them,
they'll they'll contact me. How you doing,

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man, I'm doing all right.
You guys got some things wrong.

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They're on the nuge. We got
things forgot things wrong. Okay, you

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forgot strangle Holds. You forgot his
mega hit from the nineteen nineties, Fred

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Bear, and you forgot that he
was in Damn Yankees in nineteen eighty five

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and had a huge shit. Okay, Look, it's not anything wrong there.

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It's just a matter of Truthfully,
though his career was not, you

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know, headlining a stadium by himself
in eighty six. It just wasn't even

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with the Damn Yankees thing. Well, that didn't come out till the nineties.

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Damn Yankees came out in nineteen ninety. Okay, I didn't know that

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Stranglehold and all that was on his
d that was on his first album,

407
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:06.440
Technisian. That was a seventy five
Okay, so seventy five per Stranglehold,

408
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:11.039
seventy seven cat Scratch Fever, So
you know you're talking nine years after he's

409
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:18.160
opening for Kiss. So you know, anyway, what was Ted Nugent doing

410
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:22.720
in nineteen eighty five? Let's see, well, Penetrator came out in eighty

411
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.839
four, and Little mis Dangerous came
out in eighty six. Yeah, I

412
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.640
knew a Little Mis Dangerous was around
here, so okay, yes, I

413
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.559
wouldn't say we got anything wrong per
se, but maybe we didn't count all

414
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.000
of his hits. Okay, fair
enough, And of course Stranglehold was a

415
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:42.359
huge thing and continues to be a
staple on classic rock now right. Ted

416
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:48.440
Nugent concert map nineteen eighty six,
Let's see if he was in North America?

417
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.839
Where when was he in Jersey?
Let's see if I can find it

418
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.880
real quick here, because I know
I saw him in either New York or

419
00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.880
New Jersey, So sorry, go
ahead. He had a couple of big

420
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.559
hits off that first album. He
had Stranglehold, He had Snake King,

421
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.680
Cowboys, Motor City, Madhouse,
just when the Doctor Ordered. Yeah,

422
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.880
that was a that was That was
an excellent album for a first album.

423
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.079
But see, I remember him more
back during the Amboy Dukes when he you

424
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:19.880
know, Great White Buffalo and when
those came out. So I guess.

425
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.440
I guess that seems to me that
he'd been around forever, because I remember

426
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.880
him back into Amboy Dukes before he
ever broke out on his own. You

427
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:33.039
know, more of his old stuff
that is less than his ladder stuff at

428
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.079
the end of his career. Fair
enough. Right now, I'm going through

429
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.880
his concert calendar in eighty six,
which was pretty interesting and many many concerts.

430
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.559
Deep Uh says he played one hundred
and six shows that year, which,

431
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.599
Okay, Wildwood, New Jr.
Note wasn't the Wildwood New Jersey one

432
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:56.200
for sure. Let's see where his
next appearance was in the Tri state area.

433
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.960
Broom County veterans were more. No, that's not it. Let's see

434
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.039
War Memorial Rochester. Nope, I
did not go to Rochester for that.

435
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.079
I'm looking over this, though,
I guarantee I'm gonna find this show was

436
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.720
in New York or New Jersey in
eighty six, so I'll find it.

437
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.680
But he's bouncing around a bit and
going through New York a few times,

438
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:22.000
going to Syracuse and everywhere else.
Might have been Madison Square Garden or Brendan

439
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.839
Byrne. Oh, that's likely what
it was. Okay, Brendan Burn Arena,

440
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.640
East Rutherford, New Jersey, on
April twelfth, nineteen eighty six,

441
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:34.119
which I believe he should have been
opening for Kiss. Let's see, here's

442
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:42.319
the entire set list. I remember
that time period he was doing Laderman a

443
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.920
lot. Maybe it was in association
with that tour, might have been.

444
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:52.559
It says he was promoting Little Mis
Dangerous at this time, and he opened

445
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.839
with Yankney Crank Me, just with
the Doctor Ordered Free for All, Hey,

446
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.880
Baby, Painkiller, Angry young Man, the Great White Buffalo, Crazy

447
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.920
Ladies, a Little Mis Dangerous,
Motor City Madhouse, and then did an

448
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:08.519
encore and this is what I remember
seeing, uh, Stranglehold, Cat Scratch,

449
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:14.319
Fever, and Wang Dang Sweet Poon
Tang just as his encore. That's

450
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.759
his three songs. So there you
go. I don't see how you could.

451
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.599
I don't see how you could call
him a massage and as every one

452
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.880
of them are what I call a
love story. Fair enough, I'm just

453
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.319
telling you what people said about him
and how he was perceived. I'm not

454
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:37.480
saying what I called him as as
an aside. Strangleholds Guitar solo has been

455
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:45.519
ranked as the thirty first greatest guitar
solo by Guitar World. Okay, I've

456
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:52.640
got amazing I'd have to put it, I'd have to put I put it

457
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:58.319
on the top ten. When you
no, I'm definitely not in the top

458
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.960
ten. I mean, but I
would put it in the top twenty five.

459
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.280
Minor correction, bye the bye.
I actually saw him play with Kiss

460
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:15.000
on April eleven, not twelve.
Uh so he played solo on April twelve,

461
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.920
and he played with Kiss on April
eleventh. There you go, And

462
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.400
I want to verification on that song
can you take me high enough? Because

463
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.840
that sounds weird to me. I
thought that came out in the mid eighties,

464
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:50.119
nineteen ninety see all right, Oh
damn Yankees, Damn Thanks debut nineteen

465
00:34:50.159 --> 00:35:01.360
eighty nine. Mm hmm, I
formed, uh thirties New York nineteen eighty

466
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:09.400
nine. She had, I would
guess a few years before that. So

467
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:15.039
I'm glad I'm not on Jeopardy and
I'm glad that wasn't the question. There

468
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.159
you go, because I have nineteen
eighty five burned in my head for that

469
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.199
song. And yeah, that song
when it came out, that one shot,

470
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:32.159
Let's see they peaked at thirteen the
album did now the single Let's See

471
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:38.639
High Enough peaked at number three,
number two. I'm sorry fully us mean,

472
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.280
and now taking a look at Kissing
set list from that night, I

473
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:51.519
remember why I was a bit dissatisfied
with the concert, so it makes perfect

474
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.760
sense. I didn't even enjoy it
until the latter end of it. And

475
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:01.199
yeah, they were doing their unmake
up crap most like, you know,

476
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.559
ending with rock and roll all night
and then coming back for a trying to

477
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:10.920
surprise us, and they did a
cover of Lifted Rips aka led Zeppelin song

478
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.519
a Whole Lot of Love, So
that was part of the reason why I

479
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:20.960
was kind of like, and they're
they're closing for their encore was lick it

480
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:28.920
Up. So you know, I
remember the first time kiss was on Don

481
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.920
Cursor's Rock Concerts, and I thought, you know, these guys are gonna

482
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.239
they're gonna go fast, they're gonna
reach high, and then they're gonna burn

483
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.599
out. I never thought they would
last as long as they did. Yeah,

484
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:45.440
I mean, they must hold the
world record for the most merchandise created

485
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.960
for a band in history. Yeah, they've got two hands down. I

486
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.719
mean, that's gotta be searchable somewhere. I mean, I can't think of

487
00:36:53.800 --> 00:37:00.159
a band that ever had more products
with their their logo emblazon on them than

488
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.800
Kiss. I can't. I mean
more products created. I mean from dolls

489
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:08.079
to you know, two movies to
everything. I mean, it's just you

490
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:16.440
know, oh yeah, yeah,
yeah. Well Black Sabbath had a cartoon,

491
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.119
you know, and uh, there
were others that had cartoons, cool

492
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:23.840
enough, you know, Jackson five. I used to watch the Jackson five

493
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:30.320
cartoon when I was little. You
know, lots of bands had cartoons,

494
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.599
uh, but no, but Kiss
was just crazy. It was like,

495
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:39.280
you know, lunchboxes, thermiss everything. You know. I'm sure there were

496
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:43.400
shoes at a certain point. I
know there was you know, every kind

497
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.719
of regular run of the mill stuff. But on top of it, I

498
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.480
mean I'm pretty sure there was kissed
toothbrushes. I mean I had known a

499
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.880
couple of Kiss fans over the years, and they had some of them had

500
00:37:52.960 --> 00:38:00.199
monstrous collections of just unbelievable stuff that
you know. It was just like,

501
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.239
I mean, I find it wilder
today. You know, in China they're

502
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.159
making rugs of every old rock band
and things like that now. But Kiss

503
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.159
was way ahead of it. I
mean, toy cars, everything, Kiss

504
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.440
had anyways, but it was interesting
that time period, and it was a

505
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:24.000
drink of light. May I.
I'm just gonna see you know, you

506
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:29.639
don't make pictures there is a kid
of Kid Rock drink a beer the prior

507
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:34.559
old well, even if it wasn't
you know, do you think kid Rock

508
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.800
is the great connoisseur of beer?
Who's really paying that much attention every time

509
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.679
somebody hands him a beer? Can? I mean, come on and again

510
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.280
if you're taking him seriously? But
what do you want me to tell you?

511
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:50.079
Is he your role model? Is
he your hero? I mean,

512
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.000
is is he anybody here? Know? He's got his own opinions. I

513
00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.000
don't see nothing wrong with them expressing
them. I don't care, Yeah exactly,

514
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.440
let him do what he wants.
I'm just saying, like, what's

515
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.639
the big deal either way? Though? You know, like, is it

516
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:14.239
that serious? Is he that influential? The thing you don't want to get

517
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.559
into it the whole thing of who
bud Light was targeting with that crap,

518
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:23.000
But I ain't gonna get into just
out of curiosity. Who would you think

519
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.119
is probably one of the tops.
I don't know if this is current,

520
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:35.199
but who would you think would be
a top of the merchandise sales clock genre

521
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:39.519
here in the United States, just
out of curiosity, t Taylor Swift.

522
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.119
No, She's not even on the
list, Believe it or not. I'm

523
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:50.480
thinking, you know what, you
gotta go Beatles, Elvis, Kiss the

524
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:57.519
Monkeys, who Lady Gaga has fifties? Uh, let's see fifteen point eight

525
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.719
million in merchandise sales. Are On
Grande has ten million, eminem Is at

526
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:08.800
seven point six mill, Justin Biebers
at five point six, Sean Menendez four

527
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:15.719
point eight, Nicki Minaj four point
one, Beyonce three point five. Lady

528
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.519
Gaga is kicking beyances. But yeah, but okay, but is it fair

529
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:27.159
to compare merchandise sales against you know, like a Lady Gaga versus a Kiss

530
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:32.440
who was probably selling five dollars kiss
dolls in the seventies, right, you

531
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.039
know what I'm saying? Like you
you couldn't possibly get Like I saw a

532
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.760
what is that guy post Malone,
the guy with the tattoos on his face?

533
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:45.400
Yeah, they made a fun co
pop out of a guy, right,

534
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:52.960
and that thing sells for fifty bucks. I think you know, one

535
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:59.199
of the biggest genres for merchandise sales
is actually the Korean pop music genre.

536
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:06.639
They there's sales top individual sale where
one person will make multiple purchases more than

537
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:12.519
any other genre. They are heavily
in the merch. Yeah, it makes

538
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.480
sense again, you know where you
have massive, massive audiences. You know,

539
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.679
again, at one time the Monkeys
were a phenomena too, don't forget

540
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.159
right, Oh, of course,
yeah, just saying I mean and look

541
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.599
at a certain point, I bet
you you could have slapped Michael Jackson's likeness

542
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:30.960
or name onto anything and it would
have sold quite well. Well, you

543
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:37.960
know, if you think about it
back when the Monkeys are you or maybe

544
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.719
a thermis or something. You look
at what is offered today, from teach

545
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:49.320
your church to clothing to dolls to
UH Korea. The big thing is the

546
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:55.079
band's light stick and the specific design, and there's people that just collect light

547
00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:00.400
sticks. You know, it's amazing
what is available out there the way of

548
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.679
merch today, from light sticks to
guitar picks. What were you saying,

549
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:10.599
Jimmy James or something you want to
add in Oh, I was just going

550
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:16.800
to confess that in Daily As I
bought a Michael Checks and Thriller wallet,

551
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.559
a thriller wallet, Okay, I
would not have expected that purchase from you.

552
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:29.400
I gotta be honest. I have
a couple of Ochelly effect wallets,

553
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.440
by the way, a couple of
them that I had made that are part

554
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:35.880
of the random swag packages. But
but anyways, they only one of them

555
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.239
went out so far anyhow, so
that's available. We do have another caller

556
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:44.039
waiting on the line, and we'd
love to get more. Plus, I'm

557
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.719
gonna go to a break very very
soon because I feel a lull coming on

558
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.639
in the conversation and I feel like
we should probably rejuvenate ourselves during a break.

559
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.199
What do you think, be Pete, should we take a break or

560
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.159
take the next caller first, or
maybe do both in rapid succession. What

561
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:05.079
do you say you can do both
of And before you do that, just

562
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:09.280
one little quick piece of trivia,
somebody did a study and found out that

563
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:15.320
in the hard rock genre, fifty
four percent of the people surveyed owned an

564
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:22.679
AC DC T shirt. That's interesting, followed by Metallica at fifty three point

565
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.159
five percent. That was going to
be my guests for the next one on

566
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:32.239
the list there, Gee, do
you have a third place on that Aerosmith?

567
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.920
Aerosmith point four. You know,
Aerosmith always surprises me. Aero Smith

568
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:45.039
is a hard rocks heavy metal but
this is under the Great Alternative Slash under

569
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.519
Classic Rock ac DC. It wins
with fifty four point four, followed by

570
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:55.880
Aerosmith at thirty nine, and then
Pink Floyd thirteen point one, which is

571
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:00.599
two above the Rolling Stones. I'm
glad to see that. It's weird to

572
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:06.480
me because the success of Aerosmith has
always confounded me. Uh. I never

573
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.440
thought that they were as great as
a lot of other people think they are.

574
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:16.920
I always thought they were good.
It's but I like Aerosmith. I

575
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.000
don't their older stuff. But you
can't realize when they when they released new

576
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.679
things, they weren't in competition with
many people. They played the calendar to

577
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:29.119
their advantage when they released it two
albums. Yeah, but see, Aerosmith

578
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:37.239
to me is good. They were
releasing the material unlike other classic rockers.

579
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:44.719
And I just wanted to say on
that Errol Smith. Uh hell, I

580
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.880
don't even remember now. Sorry,
sorry about that anyways. Look, Aerosmith

581
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.119
has always been like the Scorpions were
the heavy metal where they were always part

582
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:59.039
of the conversation. But I never
knew a Scorpions fan. You know what

583
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:05.320
I'm saying, Like you never a
straight up Scorpions fan. Okay, I

584
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.480
remember my question. I must have
this answered. It is the person who

585
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:15.119
sang mom skin different than the usual
singer for freaking Aerosmith because it sounds totally

586
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:25.519
different, which one Mama Ken,
Oh, Mama kin. Yeah, I'll

587
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:30.679
check that out because there was a
weird lineup change that took place with Aerosmith.

588
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.360
But let's let's see who the Aerosmith's
lineup was for that. Uh.

589
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.880
And I'm gonna do that actually while
I pick up the next caller because I

590
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.800
want to get to him before we
go to a break, and I think

591
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:47.360
I got him. Now, how
are you doing? Man? Yeah,

592
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:52.159
what's going on? Well, you
know, we're trying to navigate through a

593
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.239
bunch of things, from the fires
to the uh you know, to a

594
00:45:55.480 --> 00:46:00.000
rock and roll merchandise. It seems
like tonight. So what's on your mind?

595
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.960
Yeah, I don't forgot I was
talking about you. Oh well,

596
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:15.320
I'm sorry. That's all right,
that's all right, I understand, I

597
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:22.360
totally understand. According to according to
the lineup of Varro Smith though, just

598
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.320
to let you know, Steven Tyler
is listed as vocals and harmonica for Momikin.

599
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:35.320
So, yeah, that's really weird
because he sings completely different than in

600
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.639
that song that he has in any
other song he's ever made. I didn't

601
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:46.559
know that Guns N' Roses covered that
kind of makes sense when you listen to

602
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.199
Axel at certain points that he would
try and cover that. I mean,

603
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.760
if you if you say that Axel
was not influenced by Steven Tyler, I

604
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:58.039
mean, I don't know what to
tell you, because he was. And

605
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.880
there's also a saxophone on that song, which I forgot about. Uh.

606
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.320
David Woodford played saxophone on that song. Joey Kramer's the drummer. Tom Hamilton

607
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.280
is the bass player, Brad Whitford
on second guitar, Joe Perry on first

608
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:16.360
guitar. But Steven Tyler is listed
as vocals, harmonica and would flute.

609
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:23.280
Just so you know, released in
seventy three on Columbia. Okay, David

610
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:31.320
David Woodford played the sax That's what
it says. Yeah. So anyway,

611
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:37.280
Harlan, what else is on your
mind besides you know the strangeness? I

612
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:42.079
mean, have you been keeping up
on the directed energy weapon discussion? Uh?

613
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.639
Are you curious about the JFK thing
that we're gonna do on Monday,

614
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:52.000
because I think you're gonna want to
hear that one. Yeah, I'll listen

615
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:59.760
to the majority of the point.
Yeah, i'd like to thank you.

616
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.440
Got Yeah, I'm gonna do it
on their platform. It's going to be

617
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.039
a watch along on their platform,
and we're gonna we're gonna break down this

618
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.440
documentary. And it's not to personally
target the person who did it. It's

619
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:15.280
just about this information that has been
repeated by more than one person already and

620
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:22.599
is catching catching some air man.
It's starting to take wings among alternative thinking

621
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.760
people and I'm going, oh man, not again. You know, come

622
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.559
on, well you've got to come
up with something that whoever wants a while,

623
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:35.559
well they try to reinvented people come
up, you know, with something

624
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.039
else to get you know, especially
younger people that are not being interested.

625
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:43.639
It's not you know, people to
smooth or looking at things. And I'm

626
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:47.239
not guess where you get along.
Yeah, but you know, to tell

627
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:52.400
me that you've solved the case and
to tell me that you've got the answers

628
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.000
and you don't you know, know, the basic information. It's a problem

629
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:00.719
I mean, I understand you want
to excite people with a with an interesting

630
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:04.280
theory and do that. Do that, but identify it as a theory and

631
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.800
don't build it on poorly shaped evidence. You know where you're telling me that

632
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:13.519
the stuck open microphone was examined by
the Warren Commission. That's just wrong.

633
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.599
That's not where that came from.
Yeah, I've never I've never even heard

634
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:22.599
that one, which I'm sure you
know I forgot over than a lot of

635
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.360
it those you know about it.
But I've heard all kinds of saying.

636
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.239
So I think one of the most
interesting that you know, I've seen really

637
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:37.880
was, you know, the the
kill shot coming from the drainage stitch that

638
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.480
was in that film that we discussed, you know, a couple of months

639
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.320
ago, that documentary JFK to nine
to eleven. Everything's a rich franch trick

640
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:50.360
I would kind of had in the
sery and I you know, this might

641
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.760
be out here everywhere before I say
this, and they might be somebody already

642
00:49:54.760 --> 00:50:00.719
said, but I've just ever heard
I always stop looking, you know what

643
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.559
some of the videos and the way
that you know, it was kind of

644
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:07.760
back into the left and then it
really you know, it kind of got

645
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.199
like the side of his heads.
It wouldn't necessarily mean somebody would have been

646
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.360
shooting like from the grass you noddle, like an angle. He could very

647
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:23.280
well been somebody else, you know, a hundred fifty two hundred yards away,

648
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.719
you know, using a rifle the
chilence round me, and it would

649
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:34.119
have made especially people, you know, screaming, you know, hey,

650
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.599
miss the president. A lot of
people wouldn't really you know, how to

651
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.719
change early grass bone to it.
And I'm sure you know there was other

652
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:45.679
vehicles you know, in the area
that wasn't moan the route, But I've

653
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.039
never heard anybody bring it up that
that was a possibility. I mean,

654
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.480
I've heard about you know, the
machine gun, you know, accidental far

655
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.480
from a rear. I've heard,
you know a little bit of everything.

656
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:04.559
But well, because of the yeah, you got problems with the line of

657
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:08.880
site unless you're highly elevated right to
get too far away from where he is

658
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:14.000
Indey Plaza. So this is why
I think people never considered that there was

659
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:19.760
a shot from a fair distance.
But I understand where you're coming from,

660
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.840
and don't dismiss it out of hand. But I will tell you something interesting

661
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:28.960
that was published in a variety magazine. Uh says it was published May fifteen,

662
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.199
twenty twenty three, and was just
pointed out to me recently. But

663
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:37.840
this one killed me. Vigo Mortensen
shile above, Courtney Love. Okay,

664
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:46.400
yeah, JFK, what's that?
Chris said that to me, But I've

665
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:50.719
not ready to hit Okay, Well, let me just give you a little

666
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.920
bit on this real fast, because
here we go again, is what I

667
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:59.159
say to this immediately, David,
And I'm just gonna read from this article

668
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:04.000
real fast. Even mammoth JFK.
Assassination thrillers taking shape, with Courtney Love,

669
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:08.440
Vigo Mortensen shile above, Alpaccino,
and John Travolta joining the cast the

670
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:15.119
newly titled in quotes, Assassination.
The pick was previously called Two Days nineteen

671
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.960
sixty three, will be presented to
buyers at the film market in Conns this

672
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:25.320
week and I never saw this before. With arc Light Films handling international sales.

673
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:30.400
Here's the official synopsis for the project. Nineteen sixty three, During a

674
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.400
crucial justice hearing against organized crime,
the head of the Chicago Mob orders the

675
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:43.039
assassination of President John F. Kennedy
Jr. Creating a deadly conspiracy while altering

676
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:47.800
the fate of a nation. Directed
by Pulitzer Prize winning and Oscar nominee Mammot,

677
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.800
Heist and Wag the Dogger the films, the film is written by Mammot

678
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:59.599
and Nicholas Celosi, who based the
script on his great uncle, the Chicago

679
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.519
Mobs Sam gan Kanna, who may
have played a significant role in orchestrating the

680
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.199
Kennedy's assassination. Previous reports about the
film have indicated that it will focus on

681
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:14.119
the events that took place forty eight
hours before the assassination, telling the Mob's

682
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:21.400
version of the story. Silosie based
the material on details shared hang On based

683
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.840
the details. Hang On based the
material on details shared by his late uncle

684
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:31.000
Pepe gan Kanna's brother, who suggested
that the mob's hand in the assassination was

685
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:38.119
payback for President's alleged snubbing of gan
Kanna and his campaign against organized crime despite

686
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.840
his reliance on the Mob during elections. I'll pause, what did you want

687
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:51.679
to ask? Jimmy? Was started
out if I recalled blaming Momo Lou move

688
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.119
and then all of a sudden had
switched to traffic Conte what happened there?

689
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:02.679
I didn't say anything about trap Conte. I am Momo would be gian Kanna's

690
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.360
nickname according to some but uh no, the snubbing of Giancanna. And this

691
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.760
is based on this guy's uncle,
who is supposedly Giancanna's brother, right,

692
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:19.199
let's see the telling on this version. Late uncle Pepe's brother Gianna, not

693
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:24.000
Traficanta. Okay, I get it. I think the trafic contact because he's

694
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.159
the one that actually was involved.
Okay, but well trapa Kante would be

695
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.440
the guy in Florida, which is
not the Chicago guy anyways, Oscar winning,

696
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.760
Yeah, I think him and Marcello
would have a lot more interest in

697
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:44.079
that thing than the Chicago guy.
I don't know why they always try to

698
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:50.719
blame old I don't seem like hed
much power at the time. Well that's

699
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.960
the trouble there when you know,
uh, you know who who actually was

700
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:58.719
pulling the switches despite what people think
at that point, when it comes to

701
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.559
the Chicago outfit, which you got
to look up, a guy named the

702
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:07.639
Cardo Okay, Anthony Tonya Cardo.
I forget what his nickname was, but

703
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.599
anyway, that would be the guy
calling a lot of the shots for Chicago

704
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:15.280
at that point. Not to say
that gian Connor wasn't important and didn't become

705
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:21.119
important, but yet nineteen sixty three, I would have more looked to a

706
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:25.320
guy named the Cardo for this.
Anyhow, if you're looking in Chicago anyways,

707
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:30.039
Look, I'm just saying there is
a constant barrage of we've got the

708
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.880
solution, we've got the real theory, we've got the real whatever, and

709
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:38.280
sometimes there's Hollywood people involved in it. I don't know where this project went

710
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.360
after that. I got to do
some follow up research because what happened?

711
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.000
What happened to this weird project that
ends up with the likes of and by

712
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:49.679
the way, why did they call
him John F. Kennedy Junior when he's

713
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:54.119
not a junior who was assassinated in
nineteen sixty three? Could be a typo,

714
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.360
I guess. Anyways, all of
that having been put out there and

715
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.559
everything else, let's put this out
there. If you want to join us,

716
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.639
you can do so. Three one
nine five two seven five zero one

717
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.239
six. That's the number to call
or reach out to me Charles dot Ocelli

718
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.599
on Skype. And if you do
that and ask me to I'll call you

719
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:20.199
into the show beat Pets and of
course Jimmy James Harlan another caller on the

720
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.119
line now and maybe you if you
join us three one nine five two seven

721
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five zero one six the Friday Night
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722
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.679
at least quarter after ten tonight and
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723
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Uncle. Do you remember that time
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724
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Society was going to dispatch ninja's to
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725
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yeah and the clatom? Yeah?
Did that ever work out too good?

726
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No? It didn't, did it? But here on Oachlly dot com

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733
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734
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going to dispatch ninjas to take out
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735
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736
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never did didn't. Yeah, because
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open mic and uh, apparently there's
problems with people getting into the chat room

783
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at Ocelli dot com. Sorry about
that. I don't know what's going on,

784
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:50.000
but doing my best to navigate it
all. Anyway, Uh, you

785
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can join let's hear if we're good
laugh here and about I'm stings well okay,

786
01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:00.119
anyways, I was just reading notes
here because people are sending me messages

787
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:04.399
in the Skype and I can't handle
other tech issues right now. I'm trying

788
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:10.119
to just produce the show and and
and do the show. But apologies,

789
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:14.640
if you're having trouble with the chat
I'm not in control of Chattango. What

790
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I would suggest is you go to
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791
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know if there's a problem with my
site at the moment, I don't know.

792
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I don't know what's going on.
There's been some gremlins. Let's see.

793
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:31.039
I go to my site and it
appears to be working. Yeah,

794
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:33.880
I'm just I just hit a random
letter and typed it and dropped it.

795
01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:36.640
I don't know. It appears to
be working on my end, but maybe

796
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:40.760
there's problems over there. Maybe not. Anyway, I know the phones are

797
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:43.680
working because I got two callers there, and I also just joined the skype

798
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:46.279
callers, so all of that is
functional here on a Friday night. So

799
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.560
far, we've been joined by Jimmy
James An Harland on the phone three one

800
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:55.039
nine five two seven five zero one
six. Oh, let's see. I

801
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think there's another caller, Yes,
there is. There's another caller on the

802
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phone line. And I've been joined
by a skype by mister Chris Graves,

803
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.439
who I was up this morning with
for a bit, even though he was

804
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:11.159
in the midst of a tornado and
didn't join the new prisoners at the very

805
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:15.000
beginning of the show. He did
join later. And I got strangely derailed

806
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.159
by Lisa on that show for a
moment there where I'm trying to explain one

807
01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:20.479
thing and she starts talking about the
judge and I'm going, wait a minute,

808
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:25.600
wait a minute. I was like, hold on, I'm talking about

809
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.680
you as the presenter of evidence.
If you're trying to tell a story as

810
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:31.760
a lawyer, you need to have
your ducks in a row. And she

811
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.600
started talking about the judge and I'm
like, well, in that case,

812
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:39.640
the judge is YouTube, the audience
is the jury. And I'm still talking

813
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.760
about the same problem. If you
don't have your craft together and you don't

814
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:46.640
know the evidence, how are you
going to present a case? Anyway.

815
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:49.479
It was weird for a minute there, but I think we got through it.

816
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:56.000
And everybody's in their ways early in
the day, right, So how

817
01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.680
you doing, Chris? What's on
your mind tonight? And then we'll get

818
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:01.239
back around the table see what speed
Peak picked up and get to our other

819
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:05.079
caller as quick as I can.
But what's going on, man? No,

820
01:11:05.319 --> 01:11:10.479
nothing much as I wish I had
a show earlier, But you know,

821
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:14.279
I had an older gentleman. I
won't say his name, he's been

822
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.720
on before, but you know,
it is what it is. You can

823
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.560
get to other callers, Chuck,
I'm just glad to be a part of

824
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:25.000
the show tonight. That's all well, fair enough, and I know the

825
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:29.920
circumstance, and that happens sometimes people
are supposed to show up for shows.

826
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:33.319
I had that happen almost a full
week last week. You know, if

827
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.439
Pete Pete had craped out on me
at the end of the week, it

828
01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:38.960
would have been everybody that week I
was supposed to show up on the mic

829
01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:43.960
with me didn't show. At least
we had a good show at the beginning

830
01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.359
of the week with a filmmaker in
a musician or whatever. So that's closer

831
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:50.960
to me having mister Kevin Smith on
too, I think. Yeah, excellent,

832
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.920
excellent show and was interesting the guys
in a punk band. He also

833
01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:00.159
just put out a film. What's
like Kevin Smith's assistant this podcast. Yeah,

834
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:02.199
what's the name of that film he
just put out? I forgot the

835
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:06.960
name wrong reasons Like, uh,
it's like a punk rock, d I

836
01:12:08.239 --> 01:12:13.079
Y themed thriller kind of thing.
Guys. Pretty cool. He's spinning a

837
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.520
lot of plates that I'd like to
be spinning myself, you know what I

838
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.319
mean. Right, Yeah, he's
got an independent film out there that he

839
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.119
did like all the all kinds of
work on it. He said he was

840
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:26.039
wearing like five hats and doing a
documentary on the late Michael Parks, that

841
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:30.560
great character actor. He worked with
him on Kevin's movie Tusks as an assistant

842
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:35.279
and things. So yeah, Josh
Rousch checking out a wrong wrong places.

843
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:40.199
Uh, someone that myself you know, looks up to him, you know,

844
01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.199
because they're doing what I really want
to be doing with my life,

845
01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:47.159
right, creating interesting stuff. That
that thriller based on some sort of kidnapping

846
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:50.960
scenario. I haven't seen the film
yet, but it looks interesting. Uh.

847
01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:55.520
And also yeah, his stories.
He told a couple of interesting stories

848
01:12:55.600 --> 01:13:00.479
on there too, just in general, which I thought we were nice about,

849
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.199
you know, hanging out and doing
some of the other work that ends

850
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:05.880
up getting done on films and uh, and stuff like that. So and

851
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.600
it co owns uh. Yeah,
he has a five percent stake in Kevin's

852
01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:15.359
fifth movie theater. So that's something
I also would love to do one day.

853
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:17.239
You know. Yeah, I don't
know what good movie theaters do anymore.

854
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:19.600
I mean, I don't know if
they're doing good business now. Now

855
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.279
it's like a specialty thing, kind
of like art houses, you know,

856
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:26.960
that kind of thing. It's not
any viable source of income, but somebody

857
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:30.039
still like to do some day.
No, but look, if I owned

858
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:31.359
five percent of it, I'd be
proud as hell. I'd displayed that on

859
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:34.079
my wall, that's for sure.
I mean, a movie theater in Jersey.

860
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:39.000
Hell yeah, sign me up for
any percentage of it. So,

861
01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:42.159
I mean, yeah, and cool
stuff. That was a good interview.

862
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:46.920
So listening one more thing, and
I'm also lining up an interview with at

863
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.479
least one of the developers of the
New Texas changedaw Massecre video game that went

864
01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:57.000
live yesterday I believe, No,
it went live today because on the date

865
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:00.439
in the movies August eighteenth, nineteen
seventy three. So they they literally they

866
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:05.159
held it to the date in the
movie from the original movie. So trying

867
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:09.680
to get those guys on too,
so nice, nice, Yeah, No,

868
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:13.720
It's always interesting to see the people
that you bring on because it's very

869
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.600
interesting stuff. A lot of filmmaker
people, a lot of people in the

870
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:21.399
industry, very very good stuff.
I'm not going to get more musicians some

871
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:25.840
of the guys in Anthrax, but
now now I see that Scottie and and

872
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:29.399
you know, his take on the
whole green thing kind of soured me on

873
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.279
Anthrax a little bit. So trying
to get some of the old thrash guys,

874
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:35.000
you know, like plus Head,
even like the guy who did the

875
01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:40.640
artwork for Metallogist came on. People
like that too, there's a guy.

876
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.520
There's a guy to talked. I
didn't know he was still alive plus head

877
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:45.399
really yeah, yeah yeah, I'm
just waiting the room to get back to

878
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.479
me. Yeah wow, Okay,
I did not know that. I mean,

879
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.960
I'm at no offense. I'm not
trying to miss anything on him.

880
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:55.520
I'm just saying I had this idea
that he had done that artwork so long

881
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:57.760
ago that he would be a guy
who's gone by now. You know,

882
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:01.079
he was like the guy's age,
you know, like I guess James just

883
01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.359
turned sixty, so yeah, he's
pread, he's around that age, I

884
01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:08.079
believe. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, it makes perfect sense

885
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:11.359
that those guys yeah about yeah good
eight years older than me. That makes

886
01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:15.479
sense perfectly. Yeah. So I'd
like to get more more of the musicians

887
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:17.840
on, Like I wanted to do
that from the beginning, to be honest.

888
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:21.079
But you know, I'll take like
the horror movie folks. You know

889
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:26.439
that's another in comic book, folks. But the thing that's been sorely lacking

890
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.319
has been the musician side of things. Like I supposed to have Sully from

891
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.760
God Smack on. Like I keep
announcing these people and then they never show

892
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.760
up, so I'm gonna shut up. Yeah, I'm supposed to have a

893
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:44.439
fairly well known main well not main
alternative music drummer on pretty soon, so

894
01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:46.880
I'm waiting on that myself. I
mean, look, I love talking to

895
01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:53.640
musicians too, So we're gonna get
into more different guests coming soon, and

896
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.439
we're gonna do this thing on Monday
that I think is going to be fascinating

897
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:01.760
where we're gonna break down the problematic
information the popular film at the moment and

898
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:05.000
hope that we can sort of get
people to understand that. Look, you

899
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:09.720
want to be entertained and you want
to watch fiction, identify it as fiction,

900
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.159
and that's all fine and dandy,
but which is which is funny?

901
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:15.039
Check? I want to just remember, I don't know if you saw the

902
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:18.760
thing I sent you, but I
found it like right after you left the

903
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:26.039
New Prisoners livestream. They're making a
movie. David Mammitt wrote a movie about

904
01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:31.760
the jfk assassination and it has Courtney
Love and al Paccino. Other people read

905
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:36.560
that article. I read from that
article just a little while ago in order

906
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:42.159
to get but that's from May of
this year. That's not new. They

907
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.560
were presenting that. No, but
now they're no. But what now they're

908
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.760
ready to start selling the rights to
it? Oh god, well you see,

909
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:51.720
but in that article they said they
were offering the rights at cons that

910
01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:56.800
week. So that was back in
May. So I'm like, I'm recycling

911
01:16:56.840 --> 01:17:00.079
it again because they're actually getting ready
to show them the crap happened Vancouver,

912
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:03.119
I guess in September. Oh god, you know, and it's gonna be

913
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.600
a you know, a mob did
a thing, and already it's all the

914
01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:11.399
mob's point of view of it,
which is not, in my opinion,

915
01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:15.039
not the right point of view.
Well, well, here's the problem there,

916
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:17.039
the mob's point of view. That's
a hell of a statement. What

917
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.399
is the mob's point of view?
Really, dud? Mob didn't change the

918
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:25.760
parade route? But no, no, but what is the mob's point of

919
01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:30.680
serious? Like, how do you
qualify that even to say reliably? Screenwriters

920
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:35.199
uncle was Jean Connor. This screenwriter's
uncle was Jean Connor's brother or something that

921
01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:40.239
he got the information from. Yeah, Peppe, I know, and that's

922
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:45.279
fine, but that's not like the
mob's point of view. That's Peppe's point

923
01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.279
of view, that's his idea.
You know what I'm saying, if you

924
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:51.680
go and you talk to a Gambino
family member, you'll get a different point

925
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:57.840
of view about the JFK sassination.
I know this, so okay, it

926
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:02.640
was just upsetting when I saw that. And yeah, go ahead, Jimmy,

927
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:08.840
And can I say one thing that
really bugs me with all this mafia

928
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:15.680
crap is nine percent of it came
from so called mob lawyers. Oh yeah,

929
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.560
so you know, boy thing,
I mean a mobster. And then

930
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:25.840
think of how dirty their lawyers are. I mean, why would you believe

931
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:30.880
anything they say? And then now
you got law clerks who worked for these

932
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:35.760
lawyers right in these crazy books saying
the mob dude, No, I know.

933
01:18:36.560 --> 01:18:40.279
I listen, Jimmy, I'm with
you here. The guy who is

934
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:44.960
the lawyer for the mob guy is
not well read into what's happening. Okay,

935
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:47.119
he's just not. He knows what
he needs to know, and that's

936
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.119
it. And then you get into
you got clerks and stuff reporting on.

937
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:54.000
Stay. Yeah, you got problems
here. You don't have the mob's point

938
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:59.720
of view. You know. I
sat down with legitimate members of the Banano

939
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:02.680
family, of the Gambino family,
uh to to ask them about some of

940
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:05.560
this stuff, and you know,
not the oldest of old timers, but

941
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:11.760
older than me by a long shot, uh many years ago. That wasn't

942
01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.079
my my phrasing either. By the
way, that's what the article said,

943
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:19.119
point of view, the mob's point. That's what I'm saying. It's ridiculous.

944
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:23.119
And they also at the beginning of
the article JFK Jr. John F.

945
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.680
Kennedy Junior. Uh no, yeah, that's that's not John F.

946
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:33.159
Kennedy Junior. Okay, because his
father's well, all right, fine,

947
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:38.079
but it's just saying you get again, get your facts strewed. All right?

948
01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:41.760
Sorry, anyway, let me get
to this next caller. I just

949
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.079
want people to get their facts straight. At least you know you're gonna present

950
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.079
me a crazy theory. Cool,
but do it with real facts. I

951
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:50.840
mean, you know, at least
start there. Get your info straight.

952
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:57.399
All right, hold on, so
let's see. Oh, hold on,

953
01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:01.279
I picked up the wrong line.
Where is he? There? He is?

954
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:04.960
Okay. Meanwhile, I've been keeping
this guy on hold too long.

955
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:11.279
How you doing, man? Hell? Yeah, good good. It's good

956
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:15.199
to hear from vance Vanarchy himself.
What's on your mind tonight? You got

957
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:18.159
anything you want to throw on this
table that will take us into a different

958
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:24.920
direction. I'm sure you have different
thoughts than the jfk assassination or who knows,

959
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:27.199
maybe you want to go way back. In the beginning of the discussions

960
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.359
to Ted Nugent, the MAUI fires, uh, whatever's on your mind,

961
01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:36.920
bro go for it. Well,
I did want to mention on the Kiss,

962
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:43.159
and I guess Ted Nugent thing too. The first concert I ever went

963
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:47.920
to was Kiss in nineteen seventy four
in Houston, and I was there visiting

964
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:56.119
my mom nice for the weekend.
There's been a whatever and heard about it,

965
01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.199
you know, they were going to
be there, and she bought me

966
01:20:59.279 --> 01:21:02.079
a ticket and took had dropped me
off and went by myself, all by

967
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:04.920
myself, thirteen years old, I
think it was. It would have been

968
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:12.399
thirteen and makeup makeup, Yeah,
that was with all the that's makeup.

969
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:16.720
Yeah, well he spent blooded the
show that I was at in eighty six,

970
01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:19.880
but there was no makeup. And
that's definitely a different era. Although

971
01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:24.000
coincidentally, funny thing is, I'm
like thirteen when I went to go see

972
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:27.680
that too. But uh yeah,
but in your in your time, when

973
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:30.239
you were thirteen, mans, they
still had the makeup. They were just

974
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:36.359
at the beginning of the huge launch
their popularity. That's where it was right

975
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:42.479
there in the mid seventies, early
to mid seventies they started with the gigantic

976
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:46.439
launch of the phenomena that became Kiss, you know, So there you go.

977
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:51.079
And like when it was like a
really wild concert too. I can't

978
01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:58.640
remember now the bands because I didn't
necessarily know most like the opening bands or

979
01:21:58.720 --> 01:22:06.920
whatever. But it was like Procol
Harom or uh bands like that and stuff

980
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:12.720
I can't remember now. Wow,
pro procol Harum is a name. Yeah,

981
01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.840
procol Harum is a name you don't
hear all the time anymore. Huh,

982
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:20.399
that's that's not And there's another group
that hasn't named kind of like that.

983
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:24.199
It might have been one or the
other. Anyway, it was like

984
01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:29.520
a pretty wild, you know,
affair. And I'd say my first concert

985
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:33.000
and that that's what I picked.
And and uh actually went to the bathroom

986
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:40.119
at some point, like during animission
or whatever, and people some guys offering

987
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:43.640
the acid and stuff. You know, I'm like thirteen years old and I

988
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.840
thought here about that, you know, but but it's like that's how crazy

989
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:50.479
it was. Just luckily I didn't
get no trouble or nothing. But it

990
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:54.119
was all cool. I didn't have
no problems to buy jack with me or

991
01:22:54.159 --> 01:23:00.479
nothing nice. Did you take the
ascid? No? No, yeah,

992
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.000
I said, I just I just
smoke pots, you know, I got

993
01:23:03.079 --> 01:23:08.760
you smoke some pot wires there.
But but but yeah, but uh.

994
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:15.119
And then about the Hawaii fire stuff, there's it seems to be a whole

995
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:19.159
lot of you know, coincidences going
on with that, you know. And

996
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:27.319
and to the point about the directed
energy weapons stuff, and the the one

997
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.840
thing I noticed just when I was
watching footage of them, you know,

998
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:32.960
the putters they were showing on the
TV and stuff, and they're going down

999
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:36.479
the shoreline and you know, people
are in the water, you know,

1000
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:41.880
to escape the fire. And there's
all these cars they're just burned up,

1001
01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:45.439
like I mean, burn the hell
up. And one card literally has no

1002
01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:53.039
hood and the motor is melted,
you know, And I'm like, how

1003
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:56.800
did the fire get that? You
know? The this the asphalt still and

1004
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:04.079
relatively you know, well as when
you get somebody. But at any rate,

1005
01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:08.760
that's something you know that I've been
you know. And then they got

1006
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:14.720
the needs the directed energy weapon research. There's there's one there and one in

1007
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.720
New Mexico, so that just happens
to be there. And then the chief

1008
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:24.279
of police or whatever just happens to
be the guy that was the the crisis

1009
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:30.520
management you know, head of whatever
during the Las Vegas shooting thing for the

1010
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:34.760
Las Vegas Police Department, and now
he's in charge of this one. So

1011
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:38.840
you know, I'm you know,
could be coincident. I'm not saying it's

1012
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:41.560
not a coincident. So I'm just
saying there's a whole lot of coincidences,

1013
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.920
and that that that footage I saw
there, and so, like I said,

1014
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:50.359
it's just hard for me to understand
how an engine because that's the way

1015
01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:54.439
it peers. Maybe I'm you know, miss seeing the picture or whatever,

1016
01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:59.920
but I chafy advanced. I feel
like that. Okay, you said the

1017
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:04.119
same. I found that interesting.
The same cop that was involved in the

1018
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:11.279
Vegas fiasco is over in Hawaii involved
in this. Did you say that really?

1019
01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:15.000
Yeah? Well, I'll say that's
weird, and I will say that

1020
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:21.279
don't matter how these things started.
The Vegas crap was just used water coincidence

1021
01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:26.000
to push then anti gun and gender, and now are they doing it the

1022
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:30.640
milling crap in its climate change.
Yeah, and it's just a land grab

1023
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.680
too. I mean, this is
like they did in California. Let the

1024
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:39.880
stuff build up until it catches on
fire and blame it on the power company

1025
01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:45.560
and and you know by the land
up for jeeps and you know, it's

1026
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:50.079
a real opportunity crisis. Well that
was the thing that killed me, man,

1027
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:56.600
is that immediately you know, these
people that are still looking searching for

1028
01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:59.800
their loved ones, their pets,
they don't know the condition of their homes

1029
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:03.399
that even a whole lot of them, and the vultures come out. Man,

1030
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:08.920
they just do. Uh. That
is one of the most amazing and

1031
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:14.520
ridiculous things that happens every time there
is something like us where you know,

1032
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:17.000
no matter what, and I don't
know if that's you know, a natural

1033
01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:21.079
thing or I'm not claiming that they
you know that they're exactly the people who

1034
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:25.000
did it or any I'm not saying
that. I'm just saying, isn't it

1035
01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:28.760
amazing how quick people are? Like, Hey, you know a person that

1036
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.000
just survived the fire. I know
you don't know where your wife is yet,

1037
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.039
but you want to sell your house, you know. I'm just saying,

1038
01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:39.840
like, what the hell, you
know, come on already, can

1039
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:43.760
we capitalism get on board? Buddy? I know, but I mean,

1040
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:47.479
what the hell I mean, can
you let people bury there? You know?

1041
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:50.640
Can you let people bury their dead
before you go in for profit?

1042
01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:55.640
I mean, is that possible?
You know, I don't know. Maybe

1043
01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:00.600
they're using that excuse, you know, because bodies or ashes, and that's

1044
01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:04.159
why they're not you know, we're
letting people go because they'd just be trampling

1045
01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:08.359
the ashes and you know, and
all that. And I guess in that

1046
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.920
type of the fire, you know, that's pretty much what's going to happen

1047
01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.960
anyway, right, So you know, I like to throw a few things

1048
01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:19.319
in here about what advances talking about
ony side. Well, you know,

1049
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:24.960
the hood is burnt completely out,
you know, foaters and sauted stuff,

1050
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:28.199
A lot of that is And I
want to say, before you know,

1051
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:32.319
I get started, you know,
I'm not saying that, and so I'm

1052
01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:36.600
not saying, you know that whatever
happen. The only thing I'm gonna say

1053
01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:43.960
is there's a lot of these vehicles
found are made out of fiberglass and all

1054
01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:49.800
in them, and it doesn't take
that much, you know, to burn

1055
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:56.319
them completely up. I saw a
Tesla that was burnt down on a cliff

1056
01:27:56.680 --> 01:28:00.000
and all that was there was basically
like the edge of the frames, the

1057
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.560
roof, everything was down and you
can see it look like a goob of

1058
01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:11.920
you know, used to be you
know, something in Ala. But that's

1059
01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:15.159
where you're getting seeing a lot of
what vances, you know, talking about.

1060
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:19.840
I have seen some of the pictures
from the California Fars that Chris Is

1061
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:25.640
talked about and Don Jefferys talked about
it. I was in California just one

1062
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:30.039
week, but for several weeks when
that was going on. Different parts of

1063
01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:34.439
dates, you know, look different, you know, around Neadles, there's

1064
01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:39.520
a lot of white smoke that's over
on forty are you come out of Arizona

1065
01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:43.520
from like hav A, Sioux City, and then it turns in to once

1066
01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:49.239
you get in you know probably you
know, sixty miles towards like you're driving

1067
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:55.039
with like a ceiling and hell,
everything's read. I had some pictures of

1068
01:28:55.119 --> 01:29:00.239
it. I sent a few people
on messenger because by Cameron, messengers better

1069
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:03.479
than what my direct phone is.
I'd wind up reloading my messenger in a

1070
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:10.600
while. Saw that, but you
know, I think you know, gaps

1071
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:14.920
withal. It wasn't anything over around
Bakersfield. Once you got tours to Hatchby,

1072
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:18.319
you know, had turned back to
where it was like completely white,

1073
01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:21.880
even though you couldn't really see a
far around. And I was some up

1074
01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:29.600
in northern California outside of gilder Well
around two lanes before lay diverted, a

1075
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:33.279
lot of traffic, and I mean
the down far was like right there,

1076
01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:38.720
you know, burning up to the
edge of the paper and that was up

1077
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:44.359
there fight you know, as we
was gone thirty very hot, which you

1078
01:29:44.479 --> 01:29:48.720
know out west and the winds blown, you know, those farest can get

1079
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:56.319
very hot. I can remember basically
about twenty one years ago outside of Bakersfield

1080
01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:01.439
was probably three hundred and fifty four
hundred yards minimum, was not five hundred

1081
01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:05.319
away from Afar And when I drove
by, and it was like out in

1082
01:30:05.359 --> 01:30:11.319
the field, whether the wind was
blown, just driving by hit heating the

1083
01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:15.520
complete side of the truck up,
and it was went from an uncomfortable and

1084
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:18.720
hot so like it was just burning
the hell out of and you just trying

1085
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:21.600
to get away from it, you
know. The thing. I mean,

1086
01:30:21.840 --> 01:30:28.000
that was the thing. But I
know when stuff was going on, you

1087
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:31.600
know, back then out there.
Hell, it just seemed like everything was

1088
01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:36.239
on if it was a field,
you know, a lot of this stuff

1089
01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:40.920
you couldn't see it, you know, from the interstate that there was so

1090
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:45.640
much stuff that was on fire,
you know, ship there would smoke everywhere

1091
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:49.680
and where this thing was that out
west to Natles to words it it looked

1092
01:30:49.720 --> 01:30:54.520
like, you know, like some
of you Mars photos that you say,

1093
01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:59.039
I mean it was wild I'd like
to have a high clock camp, you

1094
01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:04.520
know, and looked at and good. Can I make this kind of one

1095
01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:10.479
observation here just between nine to eleven
and these wildfires. And I'm not saying

1096
01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:13.600
it's a directed energy thing at all, because I don't have the evidence.

1097
01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:17.479
Could I just say that those pictures
of the toasted cars and whatever you used

1098
01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:20.680
to make may or may not think
of doctor Judy Wood or whatever. I

1099
01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:24.279
don't know what to make of her, to be honest, but when she

1100
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:28.520
was talking about those toasted cars that
were, you know, as far away

1101
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:32.520
from the World Trades Hunter as FDR
drive that we're completely melted and there's like

1102
01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:38.520
papers everywhere that are not on fire. That's what some of these photographs in

1103
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:42.840
Hawaii remind me of Ore the toasted
vehicles on nine to eleven, which to

1104
01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:48.840
this day is still a major oddity
of nine eleven. And that's exactly where

1105
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:53.439
I was going, Chris, is
that you know that it reminded me of

1106
01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:56.560
that. And like in the footage
that I've seen, and I haven't studied

1107
01:31:56.600 --> 01:32:01.399
this extensively at this point yet,
but to the in the in the perspective

1108
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:04.800
of the camera, the ocean's on
the right and the lands on the left,

1109
01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:09.720
and and it's a long way to
anything that was ever on fire.

1110
01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:12.119
Like I said, it's not like
it's in the middle of the forest or

1111
01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:16.520
you know, in a house or
you know there there's actually nothing, you

1112
01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:19.439
know, very close. And of
course the winds were blowing, you know,

1113
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:23.760
really really strong, which that's kind
of an oddity. I don't I

1114
01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:29.359
haven't looked into the meteorological you know, conditions at the time and and all

1115
01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:32.600
that. But but but if the
winds I understand that, you know,

1116
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:38.439
like aluminum melts it at like twelve
hundred and twenty one degrees and so but

1117
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:41.600
it takes a long time. It's
going to take the long time of twelve

1118
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:46.159
hundred degrees or you know, blowing
on that car and then there's people that

1119
01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:50.039
are in the ocean, so you
know, I would have to assume if

1120
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:57.119
there was a wind that was blowing
a twelve hundred plus degree temperature across the

1121
01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:00.119
land, those people would have been
since the death where they ever got to

1122
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:02.680
the you know, to the ocean. Thus they were right there. So

1123
01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:06.840
anyway, I'm just but I'm not
saying it was because I can't prove it,

1124
01:33:06.920 --> 01:33:10.640
Chuck, So I'm not saying it
was direct energy. I'm just saying

1125
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.800
really weird. Looking at it reminded
me of those toasted cars like the like

1126
01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:17.840
the and was just men. Yeah, and again I have a question.

1127
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:23.920
Good, sorry, go ahead,
go ahead. I just had a question

1128
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:30.520
for Advance and Chris. I don't
believe it was energy weapons. I think

1129
01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:34.159
it was down power lines and for
land management. But let's just say,

1130
01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:39.359
Jimmy, that could be a too. I'm not just counting that at all.

1131
01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:42.520
Hold on, hold on, I
want to get to my question.

1132
01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:46.399
But let's just assume that you're right
it was energy weapons. Why would you

1133
01:33:46.520 --> 01:33:50.760
assume your own country did it instead
of safe for I said nothing of the

1134
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:55.279
sort. I said nothing. Well, that's that's the thing. Okay,

1135
01:33:55.359 --> 01:33:59.199
okay, hold on me Chris isn't
saying that his own country did it.

1136
01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:01.720
He doesn't say that it is energy
weapons. He's just saying that it looks

1137
01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.720
strange. That's the only thing he's
saying. And it reminded him of that

1138
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:11.079
other strange thing, that's all he
was saying. Yeah, what about events

1139
01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:15.039
switch your thought on the whole thing. Well, I mean it is strange

1140
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:20.079
that you know, there is a
directed energy laboratory on the island, you

1141
01:34:20.199 --> 01:34:24.479
know, So it's not like,
well, you know, you know,

1142
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:30.439
I believe during eleven was our country
attacking itself to push an agenda. So

1143
01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:38.720
that's nine eleven. Well either way, either way, there's lots of people's

1144
01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:41.560
views on that that go a lot
of different ways. And you know,

1145
01:34:41.720 --> 01:34:45.960
there is the let it happen or
make it happen, or you know,

1146
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:49.840
is it just a failure of imagination
as described in the official story. I

1147
01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:53.680
don't buy that. I got a
problem there. I don't think there's a

1148
01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:58.960
failure of imagination. But yeah,
I do think there are there are.

1149
01:34:59.039 --> 01:35:03.359
We're obviously lives in that report.
For instance, clearly they've demoed that building

1150
01:35:03.479 --> 01:35:11.159
seven because it basically spies Central where
they kept all the information on the east

1151
01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:15.399
coast, so that they self demoled
that there will be for instance, and

1152
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:18.760
building. So I'm willing to agree, Yeah, that's an interesting thing.

1153
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:23.720
Where where they would where where?
Why not do that? As a matter

1154
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:26.600
of fact, See, the only
strange thing about that to me is why

1155
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.159
not just come out admit that and
say, look, you know what,

1156
01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:33.760
we took down that building afterwards because
we could and we already had the stuff

1157
01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:36.920
built in there to do it.
And that's all there is to it.

1158
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.319
I mean, just why not just
say that, like, we took it

1159
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:44.840
down. Nobody was you know,
killed in the collapse of seven as far

1160
01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:48.960
as I know, that was a
continguency plan Chuck to admit that afterwards,

1161
01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:51.720
but for some reason they didn't go
with it. I'm not sure why,

1162
01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:56.920
but that was brought up in the
early days, but somebody would say to

1163
01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.039
themselves, why not just got to
that, you know, because it would

1164
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:03.520
be logical. I like, this
information that was in that pile, we

1165
01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:09.079
had a secure exactly what did you
know? Did you know a lot of

1166
01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:16.439
New York cities? Uh, like
the Uh they were keeping a lot of

1167
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:21.000
evidence stored there. They got destroyed. So now it's just world time.

1168
01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:28.079
Yeah, there's a there's a ton
of stuff there. Secret Service investigations that

1169
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:31.920
a whole lot of evidence was stored
there. Nobody talks about that at all

1170
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:38.720
because the Secret Service had an office
in that building and Ron and SEC investigate

1171
01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:43.520
the SEC investigations, there was a
whole lot of stuff. Now they they

1172
01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:45.880
state that, you know, there
was probably facilities which had redundancies as far

1173
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:48.720
as you know, electronic files and
all this, And maybe that's true.

1174
01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:51.920
I'm not saying. You know,
look, it would be idiocy to store

1175
01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:56.399
electronic files in only one location,
right, I mean, wouldn't that just

1176
01:36:56.560 --> 01:37:00.479
be sensible to have redundancy elsewhere,
But just that, Look, this facility

1177
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.439
needed to be secure. It was
no longer secure, and the only way

1178
01:37:03.479 --> 01:37:08.720
to secure it was to make it
unmanageable so nobody could go in there and

1179
01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:13.239
possibly extract, you know, some
hard drives, could possibly we demoed that

1180
01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:18.720
building to protect various things. I
would accept that explanation, and I would

1181
01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:24.319
say, Okay, mystery solid.
You know, I would say, well,

1182
01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:28.840
somebody made that decision, and it's
probably the right move actually, considering

1183
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:32.920
the various things that were probably highly
sensitive in that building from the Secret Service,

1184
01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:41.560
they actually suspended some of the recovery
efforts to to remove files. Yeah,

1185
01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:45.560
to have information from that building when
people were still dying, and that

1186
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:48.039
would be a proper procedure, you
know, like in my mind, and

1187
01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:53.680
yeah, I don't trust look,
and I don't trust the intelligence agencies as

1188
01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:56.079
far as I could throw any of
them, and believe me, I can't

1189
01:37:56.119 --> 01:38:00.840
throw the CIA very far. But
the point is that it would be malpracticed

1190
01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:04.439
to think otherwise. So that's why
I say, you know, look,

1191
01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:08.880
at a certain point, you got
to accept that if you're going to have

1192
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:12.119
secrecy, and you're going to admit
that there are various things that can't be

1193
01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:15.159
shown to the world or the general
public, then you're gonna have to take

1194
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:21.279
some interesting measures to assure but that
that is secure. There's an interesting little

1195
01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:28.960
a little a little trivia, I
guess from my past. The first stintive

1196
01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:32.319
thing I did when I checked in
with my one of my battalions, they

1197
01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:39.720
were like gone on, they were
already deployed and anyways, the regiment had

1198
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:46.560
air detachment air DEAT, and one
of the first things Osama bin Laden did

1199
01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:55.079
would blow up some of our embassies
in Africa. You may recall of course,

1200
01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:59.800
you guys say that he really didn't, but for some reason, I

1201
01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:04.680
well, I don't answer. I
don't. I don't say that he didn't.

1202
01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:08.760
Well, hold on just one second, Jimmy, Jimmy, hold on,

1203
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:12.119
let us let us speak either.
Hold on a second, Jimmy,

1204
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:15.520
because I don't say that. I
understand, but I don't say that bin

1205
01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:18.600
Laden didn't blow up those towers in
the Cold War towers. I've never said

1206
01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:24.880
anything like that, So please go
ahead, though, Well some people do

1207
01:39:25.119 --> 01:39:32.000
say that, maybe, Yeah,
why is our whole purpose of going there

1208
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:39.640
was drue tree of all the paper
documents, So you were involved in going

1209
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.279
and retrieving some of the documentation that
was no longer secure in those buildings.

1210
01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:46.760
Is that what you're selling me.
Yeah, we pretty much had to go

1211
01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:54.319
there to retrieve all the paperwork and
I detmold the buildings. I've finished the

1212
01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:59.680
job. So yeah, that's perfectly
normal. If in information is compromises that

1213
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:03.239
destroyed, Yeah, secure it one
way or another. Secure to destroy it.

1214
01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:06.439
That way, it is secured.
It can't be disseminated if it is

1215
01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:12.039
destroyed. I mean, it's not
the ideal situation, but given the circumstance,

1216
01:40:12.119 --> 01:40:15.199
that might be the path that they
have to take. That's what I

1217
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:17.520
just said. You know, and
believe me. I don't say that this

1218
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:21.520
guy wasn't involved in all kinds of
things. I just think it's questionable as

1219
01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:26.479
to who was paying them at certain
points in time. I am a question.

1220
01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:30.359
Go ahead, all right. One
question is this, and this is

1221
01:40:30.439 --> 01:40:32.560
for everybody. You can jump in, because I'm sure people are gonna want

1222
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:38.319
to jump in, all right.
My question is this, why with nine

1223
01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:45.359
to eleven do we automatically dismiss the
possibility the building seven was damaged from all

1224
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:49.520
the debris that fell on it and
fire started in the building, and they

1225
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:55.960
recognize that one side of the building
was bowing out and on the verge of

1226
01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:59.640
buckling, and knew it was going
to come down and had made comments earlier

1227
01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:05.279
in the day about it. Why
does everybody automatically dismiss the possibility that the

1228
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:11.560
building came down because it was damaged
and had fires. That's my question.

1229
01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:19.319
Why is that automatically dismissed? Well, because that never happened to a building

1230
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:23.760
of that type before, even when
it was struck by the debris it was

1231
01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:29.439
struck by well, well, wait, wait a minute. This argument that

1232
01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:34.479
things never happened like this to a
building before is not true. Buildings have

1233
01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:40.199
been damaged and have had partial collapses, Buildings have been damaged and have been

1234
01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:45.319
full collapses. This whole notion that
ovis never happened before. Just because something

1235
01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:54.159
never happened before, does that mean
that it can't happens very much video?

1236
01:41:54.720 --> 01:42:00.279
There's too much videos. I've been
the first one to say that. You

1237
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:03.159
know, back in the wild West
days of YouTube, there was everything on

1238
01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:09.359
there in the world, you know, spaceships, lasers, you know,

1239
01:42:09.479 --> 01:42:12.439
I've seen the nuke in the basement
gimmick. I mean, I've seen a

1240
01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:16.359
lot of stuff, but it's kind
of hard for big you know, I

1241
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:21.560
means to be shot out of the
side of the building. You know,

1242
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:31.800
what was access was it several I'll
just say this, b there was adown

1243
01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:36.720
heard it over several radios. What
was the countdown front? Well, only

1244
01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:41.479
bevil seen said that, you know, admitted it. That's in you know,

1245
01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:45.399
almost every nine to eleven video that's
ever been made, you know,

1246
01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:49.800
about pulling him. That's how Luke
Ridowski, you know, he kind of

1247
01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:55.920
got famous out of calling him out
and at meeting you know, years ago,

1248
01:42:56.159 --> 01:43:00.680
seeing that announced the building had collapsed
way earlier than the other people like

1249
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:04.800
to say it was even further back. It was around eleven believe it was

1250
01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:12.000
eleven o'clock ten forty five that morning. CNN announced that Building seven had collapsed.

1251
01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:15.359
Then they had they had the back
backtrack, and then later on the

1252
01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:24.439
BBC and CNN once again reported its
premature collapse again, and then eventually one

1253
01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:27.239
minute, just right, let me
address a couple of things that have been

1254
01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:30.680
said in the past few seconds.
All right, One, talking about the

1255
01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:34.640
twin towers. I beams can be
ejected sideways from a building during a major

1256
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:41.319
collapse because of the tension that is
created on the metal structure before the tension

1257
01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:45.640
is released, Yes, you can
shoot I beams out across the city street

1258
01:43:45.680 --> 01:43:50.600
and a collapsing building. Two,
there is no video evidence showing that the

1259
01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:56.039
myriad of theories that have been brought
up, except for a structural collapse of

1260
01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.199
Building seven, was anything but a
structural collapse of Buildings seven. There is

1261
01:44:00.279 --> 01:44:06.439
no video evidence of it imploding or
dropping at free fall speed. That's all

1262
01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:18.720
been debunked. It well, can
I finish one damn time on this are

1263
01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:24.640
not true? That it hasn't been
debate, they have been factually backed up

1264
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:32.600
if I by whom the video evidence
itself to, just debunks everything that has

1265
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:38.039
been said in the past five minutes. If you study that, how much

1266
01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:42.119
engineering have you done in your life? How much of you the shitloads of

1267
01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:46.920
it? And people automatically dismiss these
things because of copies of copies of copies

1268
01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:53.640
of videos. CNN announced that a
building collapsed, as it ever across your

1269
01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:58.560
mind that maybe CNN got some bad
information and went on the air with it,

1270
01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:02.319
didn't retract it, came back with
the same info four hours later because

1271
01:45:02.359 --> 01:45:08.159
somebody else confirmed, yes, the
building has collapsed out of all the chaos

1272
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:14.760
going on that day, because CNN
screwed up, that's proof of something other

1273
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:18.640
than the building collapsing. Be realistic
here. Well, see, I've always

1274
01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:25.119
I've always argued about that because look, there was plenty of inaccurate things that

1275
01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:30.199
were reported as factual that day,
and I remember them. Allegedly the capital

1276
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:35.680
was bombed on the ground, there
were car bombs in DC that had detonated,

1277
01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:42.479
supposedly confirmed reports, uh you know, and and they were wrong.

1278
01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:47.479
We didn't have explosions in areas of
DC where they were being reported that had

1279
01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:51.840
actually occurred. There was other things
that had gone down in Manhattan that they

1280
01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:58.680
reported that were inaccurate. There was
a lot of confusion. True. It

1281
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:03.520
is just very strange to see the
BBC reporter with the image behind her of

1282
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:09.159
the building still standing there and talking
about it collapsing, and that video feed

1283
01:46:09.279 --> 01:46:15.000
gets cut it. That is a
weird piece of video because you would think

1284
01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:17.520
not the person on camera, they
don't know what the hell's behind them,

1285
01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:24.520
but you would think somebody producing this
might know that that's Building seven behind her

1286
01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:27.319
still. And some people would say, look, the BBC didn't know which

1287
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:30.399
building was which. How how did
anybody know which building was which until we

1288
01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:35.920
started talking about this. After the
destruction of the World trans BBC claimed that

1289
01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:42.199
they lost their footage from September eleventh, all the footage until that clip came

1290
01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:45.520
out five years later. Yeah,
but that in and of itself, Chris,

1291
01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:50.399
doesn't necessarily prove what I'm saying.
There's something there where they're making the

1292
01:46:50.520 --> 01:46:56.079
claim, like NASA making the claim
that they lost all of the Apollo footage.

1293
01:46:56.159 --> 01:46:59.399
Yeah, that's weird. It's the
most important days in America and the

1294
01:46:59.479 --> 01:47:03.279
world is three. They're gonna lose
all their footage conveniently. It's weird stuff

1295
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:10.079
it and filmmakers should know better.
I'm sorry, ahead sorry, Is it

1296
01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:14.720
not possible that somebody screwed up?
Could somebody have thrown out the footage?

1297
01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:17.079
So? Could somebody have misplaced it? Could they still have the footage?

1298
01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:21.760
But it's in a bark, you
know, a box marked third centennial celebration.

1299
01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:28.079
Who the hell knows? Look,
but just because because these things happen,

1300
01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:31.439
they're blown out of proportion, and
then after they're blown out of proportion

1301
01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:38.279
time and time again, suddenly they're
accepted as fact and they're not. That's

1302
01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:43.600
what kills me about this whole building
seven was heavily damaged from having an eleven

1303
01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:47.239
hundred foot building drop on top of
it. It was damaged, It had

1304
01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:51.800
fires in it, it collapsed.
What is hard? What is Why does

1305
01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:56.640
it have to be this vast conspiracy? Who? Look at Barry Jennings,

1306
01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:05.439
Barry Jennings, there's your conspiracy,
Very Jennings. Look up, Verry Jennings,

1307
01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:12.119
there's your conspiracy right there. Well, look, I say that there

1308
01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.479
is plenty to be argued about all
this, and there's plenty of strange things

1309
01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:18.159
in it, and This is why
you hear me often say well let's test

1310
01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:21.439
this, you know, and and
again look what the BBC did or what

1311
01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:27.560
CNN did. This has nothing to
do with the primary reason why people think

1312
01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:30.479
this. The primary reason why people
think this is because you see a very

1313
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:35.319
consistent and even collapse out of a
building that was not evenly damaged. This

1314
01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:42.560
is why. And also look buildings
that are constructed in this way. I've

1315
01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:47.920
had longer, hotter fires and not
collapsed before, after and during that time

1316
01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:53.600
period. So, okay, they
had fix. Did they have a building

1317
01:48:53.720 --> 01:49:00.159
fall on top of it in in
coordination with those fires? No? In

1318
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:03.119
some cases they were hit by all
kinds of things. But the thing is,

1319
01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:08.159
again I'm just talking about the fires. Okay, did they have a

1320
01:49:08.199 --> 01:49:10.840
building fall on top of them?
Well, in other cases, other buildings

1321
01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:15.600
have fallen into other buildings. And
we also again to not know all of

1322
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:19.680
the details from you know, from
soup to nuts, from beginning to end,

1323
01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:25.319
and to not go through all this
stuff myself, I can't say that

1324
01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:30.800
it is absolutely consistent with a normal
collapse or not. This is why I

1325
01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:35.119
bring on people that you know,
should have architect and engineer backgrounds in order

1326
01:49:35.159 --> 01:49:39.520
to discuss these things. This is
why I do it, because yeah,

1327
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:43.560
I had Richard for the exact reason
that you're talking about, you know.

1328
01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:47.159
So I just tell you that I
see this and it looks strange to me.

1329
01:49:47.319 --> 01:49:53.079
Be Pete. It looks very strange
and suspect now. But I'm not

1330
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:57.760
saying. I'm not saying that the
government's position on nine to eleven is gospel.

1331
01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:03.159
I have tons of questions about things
were allowed to happen and some of

1332
01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:08.079
the things that happened in between the
building impact and the buildings coming down,

1333
01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:15.039
et cetera. But to completely dismissed
the fact that Building seven could have come

1334
01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:21.600
down because it was damaged and had
fires is completely ridiculous. Buildings are made

1335
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:27.199
by man. Nothing that man makes
stands forever. I've been an engineering and

1336
01:50:27.239 --> 01:50:31.760
long enough to know that even the
best designed things failed and to say that

1337
01:50:31.920 --> 01:50:34.399
it had to be this, it
had to be that it had it had

1338
01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:41.479
there this vast conspiracy. I just
nobody has been able to provide the information

1339
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:45.359
or the proof that definitively says that
building was blown. There's no proof of

1340
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:50.159
it out there. There's a lot
of inconsistencies and a lot of things don't

1341
01:50:50.239 --> 01:51:02.239
make sense up impure ABP going real
fast. I don't even know much about

1342
01:51:02.319 --> 01:51:10.399
this nine eleven conspiracy stuff. You
say building seven, so you're talking about

1343
01:51:10.439 --> 01:51:15.000
the Twin Towers actually themselves, right, No, No, this is a

1344
01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:20.479
building with sprit build You talking about
the security building, the building. He's

1345
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:25.119
talking about the building with the Secret
Service office in it, with the emergency

1346
01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:28.000
command center in it, which is
not one of the twin towers. The

1347
01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:31.239
twin Towers are technically buildings one and
two in the complex. It was Judy

1348
01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:36.680
Giuliani's emergency blower, reinforced for earthquakes, news, all kinds of things.

1349
01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:41.479
Yeah, yeah, but came down
in like free fall. So we're not

1350
01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.319
supposed to ask all I've even heard, even Dan Buddy, I'll tell you,

1351
01:51:45.560 --> 01:51:51.840
yeah, tweat them out that thing. Yeah, I would for people

1352
01:51:53.159 --> 01:51:58.239
that understand exactly what free fall means. That building did not come down in

1353
01:51:58.439 --> 01:52:00.680
free fall. Came down. It's
none of the bins, and it was

1354
01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:09.039
fourty seven stories. Yeah, it's
not precisely at free fall speed. It's

1355
01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:13.840
very near it, but it's not
precisely at free fall speed that I've been

1356
01:52:13.880 --> 01:52:15.640
over with people. If you'll give
you an example, this is a perfect

1357
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:21.199
example of free fall. As the
towers collapsed and you see the aluminum cladding

1358
01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:26.560
flying off the side, and you
see the rubble debris and the huge balls

1359
01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:30.079
of dust that are falling out from
the building, that is free fall.

1360
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:35.840
Those items fell, they reached terminal
velocity as they fell, except for some

1361
01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:40.960
things didn't because of the wind resistance
against them. Well, in building,

1362
01:52:41.079 --> 01:52:44.920
none of the buildings fell at free
fall speed, well one of them,

1363
01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:47.439
and one of the buildings did not
fall one of the buildings. The two

1364
01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:53.680
towers did not fall straight down either, because if you examine the footage carefully,

1365
01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:58.279
you can see the top I don't
know how many floors actually literally fall

1366
01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:03.399
to the side corrects it and then
the rest of it it actually corrects itself.

1367
01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:08.199
Well, but that's what happens.
What happens is then the rest of

1368
01:53:08.239 --> 01:53:11.479
the building starts to go down.
This part, which is leaning out in

1369
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:15.840
one direction kind of goes back on
top of the rest of it and goes

1370
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:20.520
down with it, which is really
a bizarre looking thing. I don't know

1371
01:53:20.920 --> 01:53:27.279
if that is what it looks like. It should have continued and yeah,

1372
01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:32.439
I don't know that when that's started
to twist and fall. There was still

1373
01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:35.840
a corner of it connected, and
that's why you see the twist where it

1374
01:53:35.960 --> 01:53:41.359
starts to go over, and then
as the floor's bolt where it's connected start

1375
01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:45.960
falling again, it seems to correct
itself. But they didn't fall in their

1376
01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:53.640
own footprint. How many blocks had
debris surrounding that entire complex? I mean,

1377
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:58.000
it was the devastation and the debris
was so wide and fall it fell,

1378
01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:00.560
and it's all the footprint. No, none of the buildings fell in

1379
01:54:00.640 --> 01:54:02.520
their own footprint. They went everywhere. See. Now, I've always tried

1380
01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:08.760
to tell every nine to eleven skeptic
that that is one of the false statements

1381
01:54:08.920 --> 01:54:11.640
that when they say it fell in
their footprints, any of them did,

1382
01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:18.319
they're lying because it went for blocks
and blocks the debris we're not talking and

1383
01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:23.399
these are city blocks. Okay,
this is not This is not something where

1384
01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:26.760
it fell in its footprint. It
No, it did not do that.

1385
01:54:26.920 --> 01:54:30.880
None of the none of those three
buildings did that. I know. This

1386
01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:34.359
Another big thing that I hear is
you know the steel in the in the

1387
01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:39.600
building. And I got into this
with one of Fetzer's crowd where they were

1388
01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:44.000
talking about this massive steel structure.
It wasn't a massive steel structure. It

1389
01:54:44.119 --> 01:54:47.319
was basically a tube inside of a
tube with a cap block on it.

1390
01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:53.880
And when that top section fell,
that's what took the resistance off and stuff

1391
01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:58.119
started slinging everywhere. And when you
put metal under tension, yes, you

1392
01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:00.279
can get a spring effect in it. It happened all the time in building

1393
01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:05.000
buildings when something's not lined up and
when it's not racked properly as they call

1394
01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:10.039
it. Well, you can get
a lot of anomalies in metal just from

1395
01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:14.119
twisting it and the amount of pressure
that's put on in certain places. But

1396
01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:16.119
the things that I hear from the
steel at the top of the building was

1397
01:55:16.319 --> 01:55:21.359
how can an airplane pierce this?
The aluminum that was used in the airplanes

1398
01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:27.680
that went into those buildings actually had
a higher tensile strength in the aluminum that

1399
01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:32.800
they line those the wings and the
fuselage whist than the steel in the building.

1400
01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:36.319
It had a much higher tensile string
VP. Can I ask you for

1401
01:55:36.399 --> 01:55:43.880
something, had Can I ask you
what you see that I need to ask

1402
01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:46.159
you? Do you believe that there
was any kind of explosives in the building.

1403
01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:49.399
That's all I want to know now, not that brought it down.

1404
01:55:53.000 --> 01:55:56.000
Well, look about this thing I
was talking about where where you see the

1405
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.000
top of the building twist away and
it looks like it's going to fall over,

1406
01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:03.000
and then it pulls itsel back.
The idea that it is still connected

1407
01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:08.319
to that building and was probably just
pulled down by the sheer force of the

1408
01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:14.279
rest of the collapse makes sense.
But it is the weirdest looking thing.

1409
01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:19.199
I mean, it just it doesn't
make common sense to you if you're imagining

1410
01:56:19.279 --> 01:56:23.479
this. But the debris field,
the way that this was sprayed around,

1411
01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:26.520
as I've tried to explain, if
you take a look at the dust going

1412
01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:30.239
across the river and going into New
Jersey, that's a hell of a spray

1413
01:56:30.359 --> 01:56:34.960
from the dust. But there are
solid, huge chunks of this that are

1414
01:56:35.079 --> 01:56:40.520
flying for blocks. Okay, don't
care what anybody tells you. That debris

1415
01:56:40.640 --> 01:56:45.319
field was not in its own footprint, not even remotely. None of those

1416
01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:48.319
buildings were. That debris was spread
there for weeks because even at the time

1417
01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:55.319
that I could get on the island
much later, the devastation was immense,

1418
01:56:56.439 --> 01:57:00.199
and it was it was widespread.
They didn't fall on their own footprint.

1419
01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.720
I've always objected to that it might
have looked like that on TV because they

1420
01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:08.560
didn't run the cameras down the block
for you too much. All right,

1421
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:15.039
but if they would have, you
would have seen pieces of those buildings shot

1422
01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:20.079
into what looks like they were shot
into other buildings blocks away. Okay,

1423
01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:34.680
well sorry, what was that?
The tops? Okay, BP, go

1424
01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:38.279
first, and then and then Harlan, Sorry, go ahead, BP.

1425
01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:43.399
The tops of those buildings were roughly
a fifth of a mile high. They

1426
01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:46.600
were over a thousand feet. You
take anything dropping a thousand feet with that

1427
01:57:46.720 --> 01:57:50.479
kind of weight and the amount of
damage it does and grinding it all up,

1428
01:57:50.680 --> 01:57:56.279
I mean, I don't. Chris
asked a question about explosives. Yeah,

1429
01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:58.840
there may have been explosives in the
building. There may have been explosive

1430
01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:03.199
somewhere in the building. But the
explosives didn't bring those buildings down. There's

1431
01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:09.760
no proof of explosives bringing those buildings
down. None. Well, again,

1432
01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:14.880
it is about the New York firefighter
oral history. So most of them say

1433
01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.319
they hear these explosions going on.
Are they hear all right, they're hearing

1434
01:58:18.359 --> 01:58:25.119
an explosion a sound that they described
as an explosion. Are they hearing equipment

1435
01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:29.680
failures? Are they hearing stuff falling
from one floor to the next. Are

1436
01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:34.199
they hearing things that have overheated or
things that are burning because the sprinkler system

1437
01:58:34.319 --> 01:58:39.560
was knocked out that they couldn't put
out fires and suddenly explode. Yeah,

1438
01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:42.760
they heard explosions. But you're going
to hear that in the building that's on

1439
01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:46.720
fire over multiple floors and suddenly starts
collapsing, You're gonna hear explosions. Here's

1440
01:58:46.720 --> 01:58:51.199
another question. Yeah, here's another
interesting question about that about the loud sounds

1441
01:58:51.279 --> 01:58:55.520
is does anybody know what it sounds
like when a steel beam is snapped?

1442
01:58:56.159 --> 01:59:01.760
Because various steel beams were certainly snapped, Okay during this event, those I

1443
01:59:01.800 --> 01:59:05.399
would imagine make a loud noise.
I'm just saying, and this is me

1444
01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:12.560
using my imagination. Explosions, beams
splitting, I understand, But do you

1445
01:59:12.640 --> 01:59:16.520
know what it sounds like when a
huge steel hood is probably know the difference?

1446
01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:20.920
Well? Do they How often do
they hear how often do they hear

1447
01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:25.359
steel beams breaking? And how often
have they been near something like that?

1448
01:59:25.680 --> 01:59:29.279
See, that's the other thing.
Oral histories gets you a little bit crazy

1449
01:59:29.359 --> 01:59:31.680
because the false memory. No,
no, no, no, I'm not

1450
01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:35.119
doing false memories. Stop. You're
arguing with me before I even finish.

1451
01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:39.720
When you look at what went on
with the Pentagon, right, and you

1452
01:59:39.840 --> 01:59:44.279
take a look at the guys working
at Arlington Cemetery, you can't even line

1453
01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:48.680
up the airplanes with the official explanation
remotely with what some of these guys are

1454
01:59:48.760 --> 01:59:53.880
saying what they saw. And they
work there every day. They know the

1455
01:59:53.960 --> 01:59:58.039
directions that they're standing in. They
know what direction they saw a plane come

1456
01:59:58.119 --> 02:00:02.159
in based on landmarks that they see
every day. It came over this building

1457
02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:10.279
and went that way. It doesn't
match the data. It's I'm just saying

1458
02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:14.439
that. You look, you can
say the data's false. You can say

1459
02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:18.680
the guy's memories false. Something's wrong. So when you go into oral histories,

1460
02:00:19.760 --> 02:00:25.239
what is it that they're describing.
I don't know how often does a

1461
02:00:25.319 --> 02:00:29.039
New York City firefighters see a building
collapse like that? Well, as I

1462
02:00:29.079 --> 02:00:31.880
said before, I don't think of
building ever collapsed like that before, So

1463
02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:35.439
nobody has ever seen or heard that
before. This is a new thing.

1464
02:00:36.039 --> 02:00:42.119
I'm not saying you're wrong, Chris. I'm just saying that these are the

1465
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:47.479
questions, right, These are the
fair questions. That's all I want to

1466
02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:50.439
make a point of this. All
right, well, look, I'm going

1467
02:00:50.479 --> 02:00:53.680
to close this out pretty soon,
but go ahead, ma, answer.

1468
02:00:56.119 --> 02:01:01.359
And just in my study and on
the construction of the building, the towers,

1469
02:01:02.159 --> 02:01:10.279
the core of the building was a
very robust structure. And and I

1470
02:01:10.399 --> 02:01:14.800
don't remember seeing any pictures of any
beams that were snapped. I've seen that

1471
02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:17.560
they got the one they got in
the museum just like bent around another,

1472
02:01:17.800 --> 02:01:23.159
you know something. You know,
it looks like ben But I do have

1473
02:01:23.279 --> 02:01:28.239
pictures on my phone of those beams
with two firemen sitting on the edge of

1474
02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:31.520
one and and in the background and
on the one they're sitting they are cut

1475
02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:38.439
on a diagonal. Okay, you
know they're they're six and eight inches thick

1476
02:01:39.119 --> 02:01:45.119
and box beams and they're cut diagonally. So you know, I don't know

1477
02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:46.720
how that happened, but there are
pictures of it. Yeah. No,

1478
02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:53.079
how those beams were cut diagonally is
a very good question. Uh, And

1479
02:01:53.560 --> 02:01:56.279
I think it is a fair one. You know, how do you end

1480
02:01:56.399 --> 02:02:00.800
up with that? But look,
I'm just saying that they that those beams

1481
02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:03.319
ended up in various conditions when they
were hauling them away. You know,

1482
02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:06.439
it doesn't boil down to just the
one twisted one they got in the museum,

1483
02:02:06.560 --> 02:02:10.199
right, It boils down to there
there was a whole lot of that

1484
02:02:10.279 --> 02:02:14.600
stuff being hauled away in quick time. They were trying to clear that area.

1485
02:02:15.560 --> 02:02:18.680
And you know there there's that interesting
piece of it too, is why

1486
02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:24.279
are we clearing the crime scene in
the way that they did with the GPS

1487
02:02:24.560 --> 02:02:27.880
on in the trucks and everything.
Yeah, well, you know I would

1488
02:02:27.920 --> 02:02:30.159
put GPS in all those trucks to
make sure somebody doesn't abscond with some of

1489
02:02:30.199 --> 02:02:35.439
this stuff, because you know,
you never know what people are willing to

1490
02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:45.159
walk away with tawas that that's not
with conspiracy of their careers. You know

1491
02:02:45.239 --> 02:02:50.039
what I'm saying is they put it
they if one of these truck drivers even

1492
02:02:50.960 --> 02:02:56.720
pulled over for two minutes, they
would have cops like on the scene,

1493
02:02:56.760 --> 02:03:00.479
and they want to know why they
just stopped. I gant he uses a

1494
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:03.359
heavily guarded stuff, and it's not
just oh they're just gonna steal the metal.

1495
02:03:03.600 --> 02:03:08.880
None of that metal got to be
tested properly. Even the Firefighters Official

1496
02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:15.039
magazine were complaining in January two thousand
and two, they were complaining that Juliani's

1497
02:03:15.079 --> 02:03:18.039
just shipping this off to be recycled
in China. Even the people that developed

1498
02:03:18.079 --> 02:03:23.159
the World Trade Center, they were
mystified of why the buildings came down.

1499
02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:27.800
That's what upsets me is the guys
who built the thing didn't even know why

1500
02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:30.640
they came down. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute.

1501
02:03:30.119 --> 02:03:34.159
There was It wouldn't have been it. There was an interview with the

1502
02:03:34.239 --> 02:03:39.840
guy that did the actual designs and
when they designed that building. He said,

1503
02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.760
yes, we designed it for to
take a hit. It was a

1504
02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:47.119
smaller plane that we used in the
modeling for seven o field. Building stood

1505
02:03:47.680 --> 02:03:54.720
for almost an hour after they were
hit, before they were before they collapsed.

1506
02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:58.680
So people say that they automatically,
you know, fell, That's not

1507
02:03:58.960 --> 02:04:02.960
true. They did what was designed. They stood long enough to basically evacuate

1508
02:04:03.039 --> 02:04:06.399
the buildings. Now, granted,
some people didn't get out because of the

1509
02:04:06.560 --> 02:04:12.600
type of damage done when the planes
hit them and cutting in off access to

1510
02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:15.640
lower floors, but the building actually
did was it was designed to do,

1511
02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:20.840
and that was sustained the impact long
enough to get the people out of the

1512
02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:25.239
building. I can, I'll have
to go and get the link for the

1513
02:04:25.399 --> 02:04:29.760
interview, but no the guys that
actually designed that building and built it were

1514
02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:34.199
not dumbfounded as to watch. I
will find those those articles now, because

1515
02:04:34.479 --> 02:04:39.880
yeah, they were almost the guy
that you're talking about, actually he died

1516
02:04:39.960 --> 02:04:43.720
in the World Trade Center because it
was in the beginning of two thousand and

1517
02:04:43.760 --> 02:04:46.479
one. He said it was like
a pencil going through mosquito netting on a

1518
02:04:46.560 --> 02:04:49.720
screen door. Well, bring why
you're talking about. But the people that

1519
02:04:49.760 --> 02:04:54.960
were so alive, they were mystified
of the buildings should not have come down.

1520
02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:58.880
Well, I know that there was
a mixed result among people who had

1521
02:04:58.920 --> 02:05:01.600
worked on the original building as far
as what they said, And some of

1522
02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:05.079
them said exactly what Pepete said is
that this building did basically what it was

1523
02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:11.279
supposed to do by staying standing after
the initial strikes. And I know that

1524
02:05:11.399 --> 02:05:15.079
there were others who said, and
use that mosquito netting thing. Now,

1525
02:05:15.439 --> 02:05:18.039
I'd love to take a look at
all this stuff again because I haven't looked

1526
02:05:18.039 --> 02:05:20.079
at it in many years. I
gotta be honest. Well, and the

1527
02:05:20.119 --> 02:05:24.399
guy he's talking about is the one
that said about depends on the mosquito netting.

1528
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.720
Well, fine, you know what
you do. Bring Let this how

1529
02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:30.079
they eat to wait a minute.
If he died in the building, how

1530
02:05:30.119 --> 02:05:32.960
did they interview him after the building
because the interview was from January at two

1531
02:05:33.039 --> 02:05:35.800
thousand and one. Okay, no, no, no, no, no

1532
02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:41.000
no no no no. Okay,
the gentleman gave an interview about the fact

1533
02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:45.600
of the building coming down and said, the building did what it was designed

1534
02:05:45.680 --> 02:05:48.880
to do. Now, how could
he explain that it it did what it

1535
02:05:49.000 --> 02:05:55.199
was designed to do if he was
dead? But I'm talking about right,

1536
02:05:55.239 --> 02:05:57.840
Here's what I would like. Here's
what I would like you guys to do,

1537
02:05:58.319 --> 02:06:00.960
is, uh, go ahead,
and each of you send me the

1538
02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:04.119
links this week to what it is
you're talking about, and let's kick off

1539
02:06:04.239 --> 02:06:09.840
next week's show exactly with this and
uh, and go through it and see

1540
02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:12.880
exactly what it is you guys each
have. I want to see these interviews

1541
02:06:12.920 --> 02:06:15.239
and we'll play pieces of them right
here on the show. How does that

1542
02:06:15.359 --> 02:06:18.159
sound? Does that sound like a
fair deal? And go through it ourselves

1543
02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:21.000
and read from if we got to
read it the text. If it's text,

1544
02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:25.439
I'll read it. If it's an
audio or video, I'll play it.

1545
02:06:25.560 --> 02:06:32.079
How about that? Is that a
fair thing? I do? Got

1546
02:06:32.159 --> 02:06:36.840
jump in and well, yeah,
but I want to know from Bpete,

1547
02:06:36.840 --> 02:06:40.359
what do you think it would that
be cool with you if we brought the

1548
02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:45.239
links and stuff next week and started
off the show with that, let's compare

1549
02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.880
these two things. That's that's gonna
be a very contentious show. I'll go

1550
02:06:48.920 --> 02:06:55.960
ahead and tell you now. Maybe
so, but I okay, bring it.

1551
02:06:56.079 --> 02:07:00.239
It's all over and done with.
Let's move on. I well,

1552
02:07:00.359 --> 02:07:02.880
I don't want to do that.
I would rather bring this on and play

1553
02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:11.039
this ship. Explain that comment right
there? He won, he won one?

1554
02:07:11.159 --> 02:07:15.399
What did I win? Well,
you're send me this stuff and I'll

1555
02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:16.439
do it. Chris, you don't
even got to do it. Send me

1556
02:07:16.520 --> 02:07:19.119
the stuff. I'll do it,
all right, I'll go through it.

1557
02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:24.159
Just send me the stuff, that's
all. And I'll compare and play these

1558
02:07:24.239 --> 02:07:27.880
things, and I'll let anybody who
wants to call in comment about them,

1559
02:07:27.920 --> 02:07:30.399
all right, and if it's text, i'll read it. Is that not

1560
02:07:30.560 --> 02:07:32.319
fair enough? You don't even got
to do it. I'll do it,

1561
02:07:32.840 --> 02:07:38.039
okay. I'll take the take all
of what it is. You guys,

1562
02:07:38.119 --> 02:07:41.159
send me, both of you.
Send me the links to these things,

1563
02:07:41.600 --> 02:07:45.880
these interviews with the people that constructed
it. Because my memory tells me that

1564
02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:49.600
there is some version of this story
that will emerge if we play and observe

1565
02:07:49.680 --> 02:07:55.560
both of these things, and we'll
get it straight. So I don't recall

1566
02:07:55.680 --> 02:08:01.119
exactly. I'm on the side of
in my mind thinking that Chris is right

1567
02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:03.920
and there was one guy debunking this
that was part of the people that were

1568
02:08:05.239 --> 02:08:09.079
part of the original construction effort.
But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

1569
02:08:09.520 --> 02:08:11.680
I want to go over it and
take a listen to it, take

1570
02:08:11.720 --> 02:08:16.159
a look at it, play pieces
of the interview, and see what it

1571
02:08:16.239 --> 02:08:20.840
says. Let's take a look at
what has been memorialized and see what we

1572
02:08:20.920 --> 02:08:22.680
can make of it. I think
that's the only fair way to look at

1573
02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:26.600
it. So I'll do that next
week. And Chris, you don't even

1574
02:08:26.640 --> 02:08:30.239
gotta come. Just send me the
stuff, send me the best stuff you

1575
02:08:30.359 --> 02:08:33.840
got on this particular issue, and
let me go through it and let me

1576
02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:37.560
play it and let me see what
we got. Okay, that's what I'll

1577
02:08:37.600 --> 02:08:39.279
do. I'll make it as easy
as possible, and I'm not gonna yell

1578
02:08:39.319 --> 02:08:43.560
at anybody. I'm not gonna fight
with anybody. I'm just gonna sit there

1579
02:08:43.640 --> 02:08:48.199
and go through the evidence because it's
not about anything personal. It's about the

1580
02:08:48.279 --> 02:08:52.920
evidence is debunker thing. It's like
if you're married to a certain side,

1581
02:08:52.399 --> 02:08:56.239
I'm not married to any side.
It's just very frustrating. After twenty something

1582
02:08:56.359 --> 02:09:03.840
years, it's like, you gotta
keep that I understand. Listen, you

1583
02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:09.439
think I don't understand that. I've
been through this so many times where I've

1584
02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:13.199
got to sit there and tell somebody
a hundred times that no, you're wrong

1585
02:09:13.399 --> 02:09:18.239
about that particular. You're literally incorrect
about this. Here's why. I show

1586
02:09:18.319 --> 02:09:22.399
them why. And it doesn't matter. That happens to me all the time.

1587
02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:26.039
But I'm not saying that that's happening
in this case. I'm saying open

1588
02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:30.359
mindedly that I would like to go
and compare these things and see what we

1589
02:09:30.520 --> 02:09:33.720
can get out of it. So
let's put together those interviews. Let's see

1590
02:09:33.760 --> 02:09:39.840
what the original construction people that each
of you guys says. You have a

1591
02:09:39.960 --> 02:09:43.039
recollection of making these statements. Let's
go through the statements and see what they

1592
02:09:43.119 --> 02:09:46.960
say. The earlier you send it
to me, the better chance I'll have

1593
02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:48.560
of being able to go over and
ahead of time so I know what to

1594
02:09:48.640 --> 02:09:52.239
play. I can record stuff,
I can get clips together and make sure

1595
02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:58.119
that we get it straight and we
can answer this question. That's what I

1596
02:09:58.239 --> 02:10:01.479
think is fair. Anyway, Harland, you said you wanted to add something

1597
02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:09.079
in. Yeah, yeah, there's
several points I'd like to go down the

1598
02:10:09.159 --> 02:10:13.359
list here, you know, that
birthday, such as the stuff that Chris

1599
02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:20.079
has been sitting here saying I've sawed
the same And like I said, you

1600
02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:24.840
know earlier, I've seen some of
the craziest ship of course, you know

1601
02:10:24.279 --> 02:10:28.479
when they was all kinds of series. I mean just you know, just

1602
02:10:28.600 --> 02:10:33.800
a lot of crazy and a lot
of stuff that Chris is I'm saying I've

1603
02:10:33.000 --> 02:10:39.319
seen the same. So it is
basically, you know, it's it's gospel

1604
02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:43.319
in the theories zone, if you
will. A lot of the stuff you

1605
02:10:43.399 --> 02:10:50.720
know Chris and the things about barging
and you know another name, Lavi's Lewis

1606
02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:54.800
Rodriguez. Isn't Chris, guy that
went up to save the people when you

1607
02:10:56.079 --> 02:11:00.600
chearing everything, that's William Rodriguez.
But go ahead, William Rodriguez. Yeah,

1608
02:11:01.880 --> 02:11:07.680
well, uh, something else I
want? Okay, Jesse vent curious

1609
02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:11.399
he made a big deal with my
sermoid. You know, the sermi came,

1610
02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:16.359
you know, in the early two
thousand and tens. You was seeing

1611
02:11:16.399 --> 02:11:22.720
out a lot. You start mains. There was the place in Nebraska that

1612
02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:28.079
had a piece allegedly it was a
piece of one of the Ivans, out

1613
02:11:28.119 --> 02:11:33.880
of the one of the twins hours
and he had been there for several years

1614
02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:37.800
and it you know, when Jesse
want to talking about that, I was

1615
02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:41.760
a sudden it just wasn't bared.
I noticed, you know, coming through

1616
02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:48.000
one that that was something that kind
of true. And one of the reason

1617
02:11:48.119 --> 02:11:50.119
I know, you know Venturi,
you know, he he's you know,

1618
02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:52.960
tiding like a dollar, you know, and everything, and I'm sure some

1619
02:11:54.039 --> 02:11:58.600
of that stuff. No he bleed
face, but you know it was,

1620
02:11:58.039 --> 02:12:01.119
you know, a monitory if I
do this show when I've heard that,

1621
02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:07.399
and I understand that. But you
know, like you know, danced Christmas

1622
02:12:07.439 --> 02:12:11.439
saying about the diagonal cuts. I
owned the meddle as you know, well

1623
02:12:11.479 --> 02:12:16.880
they had a chance to go in
doing anything cutting any meddle up. You

1624
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:22.239
know, some of the pictures has
got George Bush in them, and then

1625
02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:26.119
cutting the diagonal didn't look like,
you know, had been hit with a

1626
02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:30.960
blasma cutter like some of the furmounts
up to Maybe that's just hard to go.

1627
02:12:31.319 --> 02:12:33.479
I mean there's a lot more,
you know, I can say about

1628
02:12:33.520 --> 02:12:37.359
it, but I know that you
know, I don't happen, and you

1629
02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:43.560
know far at the point about building
themselves, it is pretty much you know

1630
02:12:45.159 --> 02:12:48.399
these days is like what Chuck was
saying. A lot of people you know,

1631
02:12:48.600 --> 02:12:52.840
have filed over that. You know, they just went in there just

1632
02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:56.600
to suck. If we got a
grigs and we can't take a change smation,

1633
02:12:56.680 --> 02:13:00.920
they can get something and here again, as far as they inside job,

1634
02:13:01.199 --> 02:13:05.079
you know, part goes, I
understand that. But everybody in the

1635
02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:11.159
federal government and local and state government
was not going to be in those so

1636
02:13:11.520 --> 02:13:13.560
I would say that's birth wise.
Well, if they just went ahead and

1637
02:13:13.680 --> 02:13:20.800
just pulled it in Larry Silverstein said, you know in an interview that they

1638
02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:26.479
decided to pull it because they've been
so much losses, bad interviews out there.

1639
02:13:26.720 --> 02:13:30.560
It's not hard to find. There's
a lot of Jimmy said something earlier.

1640
02:13:31.239 --> 02:13:33.279
Now he didn't know a lot about
this, the Building seven stuff.

1641
02:13:33.319 --> 02:13:39.000
A lot of people accept that that
he wasn't. You know, accouch got

1642
02:13:39.079 --> 02:13:46.239
on far in a couple of foucas. But you know, the best way

1643
02:13:46.439 --> 02:13:50.000
really, you know, for anybody
out there to understand any of this.

1644
02:13:50.199 --> 02:13:56.840
It's not that well read into it. There's many documentaries you know, still

1645
02:13:56.479 --> 02:14:01.600
here and there on YouTube. You've
got a search for them. The right

1646
02:14:01.720 --> 02:14:05.800
way. You can look on Rumble. I've seen a lot on bitch Hut.

1647
02:14:05.600 --> 02:14:11.880
And the only way you can fully
come to, like to the conclusions

1648
02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:16.600
that you know Christmas talking about,
is you have got to watch hours and

1649
02:14:16.920 --> 02:14:22.520
hours listen. Then you've got to
figure out what complete bullshit You've got to

1650
02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:26.079
learn to be able to discern through
a lot of this stuff, and some

1651
02:14:26.279 --> 02:14:31.560
of these movies is gonna have a
lot of facts out the bullshit, you

1652
02:14:31.680 --> 02:14:37.880
know, or stuff after our war, some foreign lady is saying nobody died.

1653
02:14:37.680 --> 02:14:41.239
You'll see stuff like that. You
may still be able to found them.

1654
02:14:41.359 --> 02:14:46.600
The new Gimmick and the basement with
the Russian I'm sure where Chris has

1655
02:14:46.680 --> 02:14:50.479
probably heard of that. But at
the end of the day, you have

1656
02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:56.319
to look feel a lot of this
shit to kind of get a grasp of,

1657
02:14:56.479 --> 02:15:01.239
you know, the provisional story.
Don't sounding I'm not saying George Bush

1658
02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:05.560
was over here with his you know, flow him on the button. But

1659
02:15:05.319 --> 02:15:09.479
one more thing I'd like to ask, you know, how to all this,

1660
02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:15.520
people can say conspiracy, this gonna
happened, that could happen. There's

1661
02:15:15.600 --> 02:15:18.079
one thing for sure that we could
find out about Smalls. They wanted to

1662
02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:24.000
snow, and that's what happened at
the mini cameras. There's no excuse.

1663
02:15:26.000 --> 02:15:31.359
You know, I've seen the little
smile plane snippets to come out back here.

1664
02:15:31.439 --> 02:15:33.199
What was it, Chris, six
or seven years ago? Maybe eight?

1665
02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:37.520
Oh, the handful of friends,
you know, yeah, the five

1666
02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:41.960
friends at the kind of guy knows
a suspect too. But that's a whole

1667
02:15:41.000 --> 02:15:46.279
of the thing. For a long
time, you know, it was like

1668
02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:52.359
this one of word looked like a
smaller plane, the pentagonal unofficially released thoughs.

1669
02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:56.159
By the way, look, there's
also a thing that in the chat

1670
02:15:56.279 --> 02:15:58.239
here. I just put that last
link there if you want to open there,

1671
02:15:58.399 --> 02:16:01.680
Okay, I'll I'll get to that, and believe me, we're gonna

1672
02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:05.560
get to this again next week because
we're we're really over our time. But

1673
02:16:05.720 --> 02:16:09.359
that one last link, man,
I'm telling you, it's powerful stuff.

1674
02:16:09.640 --> 02:16:11.960
Okay, I believe you, and
we're gonna get to it. I assure

1675
02:16:13.000 --> 02:16:16.319
you. I'm gonna look at all
the stuff you guys send me and We're

1676
02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:20.760
gonna go through it. The last
link right now, like just that one

1677
02:16:20.840 --> 02:16:24.079
link, dude, that's it.
We're talking about next week. Okay,

1678
02:16:24.840 --> 02:16:31.319
let's see explosion planted in towers.
Okay, look, I can't read this

1679
02:16:31.520 --> 02:16:35.200
right now, all right, I'm
just telling you, but but I will,

1680
02:16:35.040 --> 02:16:39.159
all right, and we'll go through
it. As far as the Pentagon

1681
02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:41.600
goes. The one thing that's always
been suspect to me is as follows.

1682
02:16:43.520 --> 02:16:52.120
I find it impossible to believe that
there wasn't enough surveillance on the Pentagon to

1683
02:16:52.559 --> 02:17:01.239
adequately know instantaneously what happened, really, because it may zero sense to me.

1684
02:17:01.319 --> 02:17:05.120
There was plenty of surveillance in the
area. There was plenty of surveillance.

1685
02:17:05.159 --> 02:17:07.280
I mean, you mean, I
think all the cameras were cut truck

1686
02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:16.239
they weren't working. There wasn't overlapping
uh surveillance on the Pentagon enough to account

1687
02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:20.239
for this. If that's the case, you know, uh, you know,

1688
02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:22.280
BP, here's here's where we go
with. You know, how stupid

1689
02:17:22.319 --> 02:17:26.479
are the people at the switch If
that's the case, you mean to tell

1690
02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:31.120
me that that's not the most monitored
building, Like I don't know in America,

1691
02:17:31.440 --> 02:17:35.319
I would think it would be one
of the most monitored buildings in America,

1692
02:17:35.360 --> 02:17:41.000
the Pentagon. I have another amateur
question, is that the plane that

1693
02:17:41.360 --> 02:17:45.680
now I know, the crazy Dick
Chaney gave bl Okay somehow to shoot down

1694
02:17:45.799 --> 02:17:50.440
some plane, Is that the one
that ended that? No, that's the

1695
02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:54.079
one, the one hang out,
the one that that that went down in

1696
02:17:54.159 --> 02:18:01.559
Pennsylvania is the one that some people
say was shot down. I don't know

1697
02:18:01.639 --> 02:18:05.920
what to make of that either.
That's the Shanksville, Pennsylvania thing, where

1698
02:18:07.319 --> 02:18:11.639
you know, you have a widespread
debris field and according to many accounts,

1699
02:18:11.680 --> 02:18:16.760
there is not enough to account for
that whole plane in the debris field the

1700
02:18:16.840 --> 02:18:20.639
way they describe this thing hitting the
ground and everything else, which, by

1701
02:18:20.719 --> 02:18:24.520
the way, is very interesting because
Hollywood created a Flight ninety three movie,

1702
02:18:26.399 --> 02:18:31.000
and a whole lot of people take
that movie as gospel because it's based on

1703
02:18:31.159 --> 02:18:33.440
the real events, etc. And
it's based on really good information that came

1704
02:18:33.479 --> 02:18:37.959
from this or that or third thing. But what's fascinating is just by default

1705
02:18:39.079 --> 02:18:41.719
you realize then a whole lot of
what's depicted in there, whether you're trying

1706
02:18:41.719 --> 02:18:46.079
to figure out what the color was
of the you know, the scarves,

1707
02:18:46.159 --> 02:18:50.479
the guys tied around their heads.
In that movie, they all tie red

1708
02:18:50.559 --> 02:18:52.959
scarves around their heads at a certain
point. You know, headbands like these

1709
02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:58.719
weird like it's almost like karate kid
looking headbands they all put on. I

1710
02:18:58.760 --> 02:19:03.440
don't remember that being in anybody's account. I don't think it was accounted for.

1711
02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:07.239
I think a lot of it was
generated to fill in the story,

1712
02:19:09.000 --> 02:19:13.520
and that's what occurred there in Hollywood. Now, as far as did they

1713
02:19:13.600 --> 02:19:18.239
do that in the official explanation,
clearly, I think they did. I

1714
02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:24.040
think lacking information in certain spots,
some people filled in information because maybe they

1715
02:19:24.120 --> 02:19:28.559
didn't have high enough clearance to see
everything. That was an issue. That

1716
02:19:28.680 --> 02:19:33.200
was an issue during the commission,
And do we know the answers. I

1717
02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:37.360
don't think that we were adequately given
the answers as to what occurred that day,

1718
02:19:37.399 --> 02:19:43.399
but it's certainly reshaped our reality going
forward. So anyway, the Ocel

1719
02:19:43.399 --> 02:19:46.319
effect is done for this week.
Got a little bit contentious here at the

1720
02:19:46.440 --> 02:19:50.399
end, but it is what it
is. I'm happy to do this and

1721
02:19:50.760 --> 02:19:54.079
happy that you guys could be along
with us. I hope that we'll accomplish

1722
02:19:54.120 --> 02:19:58.600
something again next week with it,
and we'll see where it all goes anyway

1723
02:19:58.680 --> 02:20:03.120
until and I'm merely ocelly y'all if
you were in DV effect good night.

1724
02:20:31.639 --> 02:20:35.239
Hey. Look, I actually have
a little offer that I want to drop

1725
02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:37.879
to everybody who's on here and anybody
listening, if if you don't mind,

1726
02:20:37.959 --> 02:20:41.040
mister Cooper, I'd like to take
a minute and make a little offer and

1727
02:20:41.360 --> 02:20:46.639
uh and ask of everybody watching,
listening and participating. No, not at

1728
02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:52.399
all. Okay. Look, I
am continuously building my little network and I've

1729
02:20:52.440 --> 02:20:56.040
got a twenty four seven radio station
okay online, it's got a bit of

1730
02:20:56.120 --> 02:21:01.719
reach. It's been interesting. I've
had it running steadily without interruption for I

1731
02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:05.000
don't know, five seven years something
like that. But here's the thing I

1732
02:21:05.079 --> 02:21:11.200
would love to get because some people
are going to start paying to run things

1733
02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:15.319
on my radio station, but I
don't. I'm not looking for money here

1734
02:21:15.360 --> 02:21:18.680
today. I mean, you know, I'll take it if anybody's got something

1735
02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:20.680
they want to give it up,
but you know, because I could use

1736
02:21:20.719 --> 02:21:24.399
it, but I'm not looking for
that right this minute. My offer is

1737
02:21:24.479 --> 02:21:30.639
simple, Actually, if you have
short audios that you would like because you

1738
02:21:30.719 --> 02:21:35.200
have a presentation, a tight five
ten minutes worth of something that you think

1739
02:21:35.360 --> 02:21:39.040
is absolutely worthy of the world hearing. Okay, because I have listeners all

1740
02:21:39.120 --> 02:21:43.760
over the world to that radio station. They're not in huge numbers all at

1741
02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:48.559
one time, but they're constant twenty
four seven. Every country you could possibly

1742
02:21:48.680 --> 02:21:52.200
think of tunes into my radio station
at one point or another. It's not

1743
02:21:52.440 --> 02:21:54.920
huge. It's not like, oh, I've got millions of listeners, but

1744
02:21:56.719 --> 02:22:00.280
we do have thousands, and we
have thousands of people that tune in and

1745
02:22:00.479 --> 02:22:03.600
catch get Mad with Chris Graves,
and catch the replays and catch my show,

1746
02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:07.680
which is the Ocelli effect, and
they catch the replaces and they catch

1747
02:22:07.719 --> 02:22:11.079
Aaron Frowns as the age of transitions. Pretty soon they're going to be catching

1748
02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:16.159
the called Priestess on there anyway.
And I've got offers to other people to

1749
02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:18.280
join us, you know, working
on it. But here's the thing.

1750
02:22:20.120 --> 02:22:24.079
I don't care if you're a podcaster, or if you're a musician, or

1751
02:22:24.120 --> 02:22:26.239
if you're just somebody who's got some
great thoughts. So you take the world

1752
02:22:26.280 --> 02:22:31.079
needs to here, do me a
favor, record them, make an MP

1753
02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:35.120
three and send them on over to
me. I want to start populating the

1754
02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:41.760
stream for the next little while with
stuff that I'm not charging anybody to run.

1755
02:22:41.000 --> 02:22:46.719
It's just good stuff. Send me
your good stuff, okay, Blind

1756
02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:50.639
JFK researcher at gmail dot com.
Just email it to me. Yeah,

1757
02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:54.639
all right. You got music.
Maybe you're a musician. Maybe you're a

1758
02:22:54.719 --> 02:22:58.200
podcaster, and you want to do
an ad for your podcast because you want

1759
02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:01.120
other people to live. You haven't
been a guest on my show. Maybe

1760
02:23:01.159 --> 02:23:03.360
you have been a guest on my
show. I don't care. Tell me

1761
02:23:03.440 --> 02:23:05.879
together a couple of minutes. Tell
me why people should listen to you.

1762
02:23:07.799 --> 02:23:11.799
Tell me why people should pay attention
to something else. Why should they pay

1763
02:23:11.799 --> 02:23:15.840
attention to what's going on in Congress? I don't care. Send it over

1764
02:23:15.959 --> 02:23:20.399
to me, Okay. I want
to populate this with anybody who's got good

1765
02:23:20.520 --> 02:23:26.280
ideas. Okay, it is outside
of the mainstream for the next little while.

1766
02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:30.600
We'll still run our replace we'll still
run our regular shows. Okay,

1767
02:23:30.719 --> 02:23:33.600
but I want to see what happens
if I open it to everybody. I'm

1768
02:23:33.639 --> 02:23:37.520
not asking you to pay for ads
again. You could do an ad for

1769
02:23:37.559 --> 02:23:39.879
your podcast. You could do an
ad for your rock Finn channel. You

1770
02:23:41.000 --> 02:23:46.799
can. I don't care. Send
me something that is of interest that moves

1771
02:23:46.040 --> 02:23:50.319
information. Forward. That helps to
educate people. Whether it's your project,

1772
02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:56.000
your song, your poem, your
article, you want, your a writer

1773
02:23:56.280 --> 02:23:58.000
you like to write, read me
your article. Send it to me.

1774
02:23:58.360 --> 02:24:05.680
Okay, do any of this and
send it to blind JFK researcher at gmail

1775
02:24:05.760 --> 02:24:09.040
dot com. If you can't remember
that, go toocelly dot com. Click

1776
02:24:09.120 --> 02:24:11.120
on the email same there. It
might go to that email address. It

1777
02:24:11.200 --> 02:24:15.840
might go to info atocelly dot com. I control both of those, so

1778
02:24:15.959 --> 02:24:18.959
it doesn't matter. Email it to
me. I will play it, Okay.

1779
02:24:20.200 --> 02:24:22.479
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna play
it a million times. If you

1780
02:24:22.559 --> 02:24:26.879
want to make an arrangement to play
a commercial with me, I do have

1781
02:24:26.040 --> 02:24:30.639
open adspace, but and I'm looking
not to charge people a lot of money.

1782
02:24:30.680 --> 02:24:33.200
If you're doing a small project,
we can customize it all that stuff,

1783
02:24:33.200 --> 02:24:35.959
and we need support for the network
shore. But I'm not looking for

1784
02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.639
money today. I'm looking for your
ideas. I'm looking for your voices.

1785
02:24:41.200 --> 02:24:43.479
You want to be heard somewhere.
You think you're not being heard enough places.

1786
02:24:45.399 --> 02:24:48.000
Send it over to me. Send
me a short piece of audio.

1787
02:24:48.639 --> 02:24:50.840
Okay, don't send me videos.
I can't play videos on my stream.

1788
02:24:52.159 --> 02:24:56.760
It's a twenty four seven audio radio
station. Okay, and I'll be more

1789
02:24:56.840 --> 02:25:00.799
than happy to add you to the
mix. I'm suspending. I usually don't

1790
02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:03.079
like to have harsh language on my
station. We're not going to bother with

1791
02:25:03.159 --> 02:25:07.000
that because I'm no longer carried on
AM and FM. Fuck it, we're

1792
02:25:07.079 --> 02:25:13.600
going Okay, bring it to me. You got and show me your good

1793
02:25:13.680 --> 02:25:16.559
ideas. Show me your good podcasts. Anybody on here, you guys all

1794
02:25:16.680 --> 02:25:20.399
have some sort of podcasts you do. Send me an after your podcast.

1795
02:25:20.799 --> 02:25:24.120
Fine, you got good ideas,
obviously, you think, because that's what

1796
02:25:24.239 --> 02:25:30.120
you're making. Send me good ideas, Send me the good material, send

1797
02:25:30.159 --> 02:25:33.799
me the good places to point people
too. You've written an article you're proud

1798
02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:37.360
of, read it, send it
to me. You wrote a song,

1799
02:25:37.719 --> 02:25:39.040
you think it's great. You're not
going to hit me for using it for

1800
02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:43.040
copyright. Actually, I've got a
license. If they copywritten stuff on my

1801
02:25:43.239 --> 02:25:50.000
online radio station, send me your
music, no problem. Original things that

1802
02:25:50.200 --> 02:26:11.639
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now. The War State by Michael

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Swanson explains the great national transformation that
took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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the context of the times, and
reveals never before published information about the Cuban

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missile crisis. President Kennedy would not
have been assassinated if he had been president

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two hundred years ago. His assassination
took place in the context of the Cold

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War and the rise of the national
si purity state. Before World War II,

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the United States was a continental republic. In the decade that followed,

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it became an imperial superpower. Generals
such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to

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invade Cuba, but knew that there
were short range missiles on the island aren't

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with nuclear warheads that they could not
destroy because they were on mobile launchers.

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Their invasion could have led to a
Third World War, and they wanted to

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go to war anyway. The War
State by Michael Swanson reveals why and will

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show you what President Kennedy was up
against for more information The War State dot

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com. Thank you. You're listening
to the Olly dot com radio network.

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Real history that you were never taught
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Ohchilli dot com. You are listening
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the Greek rated Why is available here
at o'ceelly dot com on Ocelly dot com

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Radio. But guess what. It's
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us phasing it out are guess what? Exaggerated, unfounded, not true.

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How you doing great? Pay?
I'm doing. Yeah. We're here to

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stay for the moment, for the
week, for the month, and as

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far as we could see. We
did a collab on American Freedom Radio a

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while back. And when you're doing
it with something another venue like that.

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You know you have some control you
don't and other things, but here we

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have full control. So as far
as I can see foreseeable future, will

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be pumping these out as as as
needed. There you go and look.

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It is a subscription only thing,
and you have to subscribe to it specifically.

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You don't get it along with any
other package from any other place.

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Nothing. It's only at Ocelli dot
com. And you got to click the

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button there that says o'celly and the
Greek rated why and he month you pay

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for it. But there's already forty
okay, forty sonic events in the archive

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on the page that you'll have immediate
access to, plus what comes out as

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we make them. Yeah, I
think people will get more than they thought

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out of these, even though they
might seem casual. But I'll tell you

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what. You can't put music to
them. You can't hard, you can't

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put music to them. And I'll
tell you one other thing. You will

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not hear conversations like this anywhere else. I promise you that because the information

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that the Greek brings to the table, as you would well know, if

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you've heard us before, if you've
heard the Greek elsewhere. If you know

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that's you need and when paired with
me, well you know, some people

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like it, some people love it, some people whatever. I don't really

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care. It is different, it
is informative and it is real. Ocelly

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in the Greek rated. Why subscribe
at Ocelli dot com. You go over

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your beltway? Would dare? What
would say? That's all that going to

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chuck o Shelley, your Chucker Shelley. You know it's Charco Shelley. You

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are about being marketed upon the great
crusade. The eyes of the world are

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upon you. The hopes and prayers
of liberty loving people everywhere march with you,

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in company with our brave allies and
brothers in arms on the other fronts.

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Your task will not be an easy
one. Your enemy is well trained,

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well equipped, and battle hearty.
He will fight, savage and demand.

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The tide has turned. The freemen
of the world are marching together to

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signory, good luck and let us
all these seats of plessing of almighty gods

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upon this great and noble understand get
really get ready for the Australian Pati