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and with that, I want to shut up. And here from my co
host b Pete, how are you doing? Man? Doing pretty good.
It's been a hectic week, very hectic week. Literally just walked in the
door and started catching up on some things that happened during the week. But
the weather has been hot. It's been nastily hot. AC conked out on
Tuesday front on one hundred dollars later. Everything's working fine. Now you can
hanging beef in the living room. I've got a cold enough in here.
Oh the AC in your house went Did you have central air or I got
central air? And it went out. It was a believe it or not.
It was a loose wire on the contactor module and it burned. And
when it burned, it warped the lug inserts, so you couldn't tighten the
wire down. So not having the insert to stick in there had to replace
the whole piece at about two hundred and fifty bucks. So what's like,
what's likely to bean manufactured for like five bucks or ten bucks, probably cost
you three hundred bucks to replace because huh, well, no, this one
was a little more expensive. It's got an electromagnet in it when your when
your signal comes from your thermostat to cut on. Okay, it has an
electromagnet that slams back the contract contacts and elets to twenty run through the system,
so it takes a jolt every time the thing kicks on. So maybe
a twenty dollars part they cost you a three hundred dollars to replace, okay,
depending on the depending on the grade of bronze that they used in the
in the contacts. But no other than that. And it was the hottest
day of the year. I mean literally the hottest day of the year.
It was like one hundred and one hundred and seven I think. And uh,
but it was a comfortable eighty five in the house. So well,
we got fixed in this running and everything is chilly. I got icicles hanging
off of stuff. I didn't know you didn't have icicles hanging from us?
How cold? I got it just to catch up. But other than that,
we're doing good. I was scanning topics and two things that if you
want to throw in for later to discuss. One the devastating fires in Maui
get really taken a toll at number two. Michael Burry, who his big
claim to fame was being one of the subjects of the book in the movie
The Big Short, He's the one that went out on his own with his
own firm and decided to short the housing market, ended up making a cool
eight hundred million combined. Well, he just bet oh the equivalent of one
point six billion on the stock market crash, right, and so it's been
big talk here to past couple of days right now. That was brought up
on the New Prisoners broadcast earlier today, which for some ungodly reason they got
to start at ten a. Uh so, you know, I got on
there, and that was brought up by Chris Graves who was on there.
Didn't do his show today because his guest was supposed to show up and didn't.
That's a trend lately as well, but not not not for him mainly,
but for me mostly. But anyway, it seems to be contagious.
Point is, though he brought that up and he's keeps saying, look,
keep a watch on and keep a watch on it. But you know,
I gotta say that when I see these guys shorting markets and stuff, it's
never the one that's obvious in the news that usually is the big deal,
right, It's usually the one you catch later and you go, wow,
how did this person know that, you know, the tech sector was going
to crash? Yeah, this one got caught only because it was Michael Burry.
He's been he's been big in the news for the past couple of years
as well. Let's see what Michael Burry thinks about the situation. You know,
people have are predicting a stock market crash now for the past what eight
nine years, pretty heavily. Well, it's been a predictable. Look,
they've been saying that since the nineties. Honestly, I mean I've been getting
the you know, back in the days when I was listening to Bill Cooper
on shortwave radio, people were talking about the possibility of the collapse of the
dollar, the stock market crashing, and the stock market has crashed various times.
The nature of the crashes is different from what we saw, you know,
great Depression era, for sure, because of the advent of the computers
coming in and that has changed the speed of things, etcetera. So I
mean, you have a different reality emerged here and merged, emerged and merged.
Kind of funny that way. And you know the weird thing also chat
GPT and the changes of a maybe you can just use algorithms to do stuff,
etcetera, etcetera. I mean, look, it's a weird world.
It's a brave new world sometimes, and yeah, it's something to keep an
eye on. Plus, you know that Maui fire thing. The other topic
you brought up, I gotta say immediately and predictably, I knew I was
going to hear it. Well, Direct and Energy Weapons conspiracy that the other
day. I thought, oh my god, are they still on the direct?
You know who was who's the check back during nine to eleven they got
into it would fix her? And well that was Judy wood Wood. Yeah,
she was the one with the lasers. And and look, I don't
object to the idea that something like that could happen, but there are some
weird things going on, and there's some horrible things going on there. I
mean, the vultures are definitely out to play at the picnic, because what
are they doing. They've shown up to uh, you know, already call
people before they even get to pull their family members bodies out of the ashes,
to say, hey, hey, we'll buy your property even though it's
burnt up. The opportunists are running amok. And there was even a book
allegedly published weirdly enough, like the day before the disaster, recounting the disaster,
which you know, I don't know what to make of that. I'm
not sure if that's you know, some sort of me it's cue. I
mean, I've definitely seen Amazon list things in weird ways and create dates for
things, like where they say something has been released and it's a date that
we have not actually come to yet. I've seen things like that happened before.
But this was kind of strange that some people had screenshots alleging that a
book had been released about the fire before the fire, you know, and
not like this could happen but a matter of we're going to tell you what
happened already and somebody hit the published button a day early or something. I
mean, that's weird. And the idea of the directed energy weapons, of
course, we faced that during the California fires, the Paradise fire, the
other one, what was the camp fire? I forget all the names because
there's so many California's on fire all the time. But anyway, yes,
that is a volid topic. Well yeah, and on that topic of this
book, it seems that some people are claiming it's an AI written book and
it was published like the day after let's see, see Amazon's listening to the
public all couldn't find the page. Suddenly it's off Amazon's page. Yeah,
who could humanly write a book? You know? I mean, could you
conceivably write a book as something is happening? Sure, but what kind of
information are you going to have in there? Is it likely that an AI
program was dispatched to do this? I would say yes, whether it was
published ahead of time or not to get a book out that quickly. I
mean you and I know, I've known plenty of people who have written books,
right, I mean, and it takes him a while, even smart
ones the right books. Okay, yeah, but I guess if you feed
the right information into one of these you know, chat CHPT programs, you
could probably spit something out. I don't know, but weird stuff happened with
Mike Swanson like that. Though I don't know if you heard the live show
on Thursday. I haven't published it yet from last night, but interesting recounting
people that were arguing with him about certain things, and they went and got
information off of one of these AI programs to counter him and tell him that
certain things were against the law. And they cited all these codes and uh
and you know, legal precedents and whatnot, but a whole bunch of ordinances
and such were listed and links were given to them, you know, to
tell him, hey, look, demon's demonstrably you can't do this. Because
Mike was writing about somebody trying to crowdsource a run for public office, which
apparently is sketchy and kind of has a way that it would be illegal,
but it's not definitively illegal. I guess, uh, it might be murky,
but people were writing to him saying, no, you're an idiot,
it's illegal. Here's why. And they sent him these links and he goes
to follow the link and it has nothing to do with you know, campaign
finance. Like maybe there's maybe the the great AI made mistakes is that one
problem one with this thing that came up is when Amazon listed their description.
It described it as talking about the events of the fire from August eighth to
eleventh, but it was it was put up on the tenth on Amazon.
So they're saying that's where the confusion came up is because of the description,
not what was actually in the book, but from what I'm looking at here,
they've gone through and stripped it down and it's pretty much an AI book
or somebody just that said there's clues in the way that it's written that it's
AI and so apparently somebody just you know, punched in what they wanted,
claimed it was generated by chat GPT, and you know, there's really nothing
in there except you know, basically news events of what happened. So who
knows but the fire itself. I was looking at looking at what they had
to do, the forensics involved in these recovery teams to go in and try
to find remains, and so far they said that the most of the remains
that they found are usually where there was a bed, so when they go
into these places, they automatically start checking beds, and a lot of people
were still in bed when this thing swept through. And that was the big
argument over using the sirens to alert people. Yeah, and the argument to
counter argument so far, I guess from the guy who now I guess resigned
from his position due to health issues. He says, but I'm sure the
stress of this circumstance made him go I'm out. He was saying, Look,
it's a siren meant for something else. People might have gone with the
going to higher ground principle here and that would have been a bad thing to
do in this circumstances. Which, yeah, the silence system is located along
the beach and it was set up for tsunamis and an alert for those And
he said, everybody you know has been trained over the years. When the
sirens go off, you go to high ground. He says. The problem
is, had we let that happen, people would have Mackley wanted to run
towards the fire and that's what they didn't deploy it. You know, other
people are saying that's crazy. At least it would have woken people up and
they could have found out what was going on they needed to evacuate. Well,
maybe they're that one to two s day. Yeah, and maybe there
needs to be a different signal that's just an alert alert signal, and maybe
you're supposed to find some other way to find out what your alert is about,
which I thought they had with the Emergency Broadcast System, which they renamed
a couple of years ago. Anyway, somebody asked in the chat room about
the JFK movie that I brought up, and what's garbage about it? Yeah,
you're gonna find out. And I think it's j Wide Nurse, the
guy, one of the guys involved there with that movie. But look,
it's not a personal thing with this guy. It's just the information is bad.
And I started watching it just like I get aggravated with these things,
and I said, oh my god, I can't believe we're gonna go through
this. And maybe I'll give you a couple of highlights and hints about what's
wrong with it before I'm done tonight. But it's it's purely an exercise in
you know what, you Guys often will forgive the inaccuracies in somebody's presentations when
they come to a conclusion you'll like. And that's a dangerous problem lately,
is that if they come to the conclusion or they're on the side you like,
it's okay. If they violate the law, it's okay. If they
violate the standards of I don't know, giving you reliable evidence, It's okay.
If they tell you that somebody who was not the CIA director is the
CIA director at the time in making their point, it's okay. If they
misrepresent how things were presented and what was available to the public, it's okay
because their conclusion goes along with something that you came into it with already.
If people do that, then yeah, sure, you can forgive a lot
of stuff. I can forgive John Hankey for a lot of his mistakes.
I can forgive Gerald Posner for his mistakes because he made a couple of good
points. Did I just say that that left he's anyway, Look, I
could forgive Vince Bugliosi forgetting a whole bunch of crap wrong. If I want
to forgive people presenting inaccurate evidence, I can forgive. I can't forgive Judy
Baker. I was going to try that, but no, I can't forgive
that. Ye get away with that. I'm sorry I would have. I
would have called bullshit on that, right, But I mean, but I
could forgive earlier stages of Jim Fetzer's career, not you know, not the
past ten years or so, but earlier stages where you know, maybe he
was just mistaken about certain things when he presented accurate information at the beginning of
his talks. Now it was mixed in with some bs and you could say
that was a mistake or whatever. But here's the problem again, if you're
going to view things through a lens that assumes a conclusion that you want to
get to, it's very fascinating how you can forgive a whole lot of misinformation
along the way, even if that's somebody constructing their case based on that misinformation.
So on Monday, we're gonna give a clinic on that with a watch
along of this brand new documentary that is apparently getting a lot of attention and
a lot of legitimacy because a whole bunch of balt media people because it was
on one of the very prominent podcasts that has tons and tons of followers out
there, and who knows, maybe Rogan will bring this guy on, maybe
somebody else will bring maybe it'll get even more legitimacy very very soon as we
get up to the sixtieth anniversary, and it's just loaded with inaccuracies and claims
to have solved the case, So yeah, we're going to take give that
some special attention. But look, I don't want to get too deep into
the JFK discussion or anything else. We have one caller waiting on the line,
and hopefully we'll have some more. Three one nine, five, two
seven, five zero one six is the number tw call if you want to
join us, so be pete. Any other topics that you want to toss
out there generally? Or should we begin the process of mantic colors when here
apparently you know, the bud Light boycott and the results of that. We've
been discussing it off and on for the past couple of weeks of how bad
it's affected the sales of bud Light. But there's a headline here says Kid
Rock enjoys a bud Light. Wait what somebody snap pictures of Kid Rock with
a bud Light tan while he's drinking the beer after he had, you know,
famously shot up a couple of cases of bud Light with his AR fifteen.
So apparently Kid Rock can be forgiving and has now embraced the Dylan mulvaney
beer well, or is it just that he doesn't really care what he's drinking,
so long as he gets the result and the spectacle of giving the finger
to bud Light and their whole company and everything else because they made a couple
of custom beer cans for a transgender Uh, you know, really truly atrocious
individual online. Uh yeah, well maybe he just forgot that he's supposed to
be outraged. Is that possible? Be Pete, what do you think?
I don't know, Kid Rock who cheers? Well, see that's the other
thing. See, I saw he was trending and I added that to one
of my posts on Twitter, just that he was trending along with Tucker Carlson
and something else I forget. Uh And I was just like whatever, And
I barely looked at it. And of course that's what this is. But
I mean, end of the day, if you're looking to Kid Rock for
you know, guidance, advice, a role model of some kind in your
life, I'm sorry. I'm really really sorry. Hey, you know,
you gotta trust a guy with a midget in his entourage. Come on,
now, look, I give you that point, but kids the trend,
I mean, you know, come on, how seriously am I supposed to
take kid right? It was like when people were so so bent out of
shape about Ted Nugent. I'm going but Ted Nugent is Ted Nugent. Ye
has always been the way he is people. I guess it's because he got
I don't know, he wanted to inject himself into politics where they said okay,
that's enough. You know, well if not, he was worse at
a certain point really with his behaviors. I mean, you want to talk
about you know, some non PC some definitely cringe worthy stuff, even pre
Me Too movement. I mean, Ted Nugent was like a poster boy for
what they used to call misogyny. I mean, you know, I had
to admit though he did one of the best concerts I've ever been to.
Oh yeah, look I saw him. You know, I saw a weird
situation where he opened for Kiss. I know that sounds strange, but it
happened. He opened for Kiss on one of those non makeup tours in the
I want to say, I think it might have been the early nineties,
but it might have been the late eighties. It was Kiss whenever they put
out the Asylum album. Might have to look it up. Yeah, well,
if you think about it, though, you know, even a lot
of people. I don't know a lot of people know Ted Nugent from his
days of Chat Scratch Fever, But if you go all the way back to
the Amboy Dukes, you know Ted news has been around for a while,
pretty long while. Well so it Kiss. You know, let's see studio
album released on Oh geez wow. I didn't realize it was that early.
Apparently Kiss released that album in eighty five, so they must have done the
tour in like eighty six because it was released in September of eighty five.
So by the time they got to Jersey probably eighty six and Ted Nugent opened
for the non makeup Kiss, And I remember thinking to myself, this is
really interesting because only a few years earlier, it might have almost been the
other way around. Uh. Ted Nugent might have been a bigger act than
Kiss on a lot of levels. Right. I don't know when did Cats
Scrash Fever come out, or they might have been co ed liners. I
don't know. Let's take a look Cat Scratch Fevers. Nugent's first album,
Nugent, came out in seventy five. This is for This was his first
album after leaving the Amboy Dukes. Okay, so Ted Nugent and that's wasn't
that a live album? Leave so and that's why you know he left the
Dukes because they weren't hardcore enough for him. You know he was he was
a workaholic. But yeah, his first album was seventy five. Kiss came
out in Oh crap, when was your first album? Seventy two? But
Kiss was early seventies. I think Nugent was, you know, same time.
I'm just saying it could have very easily been the same same time period
where they should have co headlined. Right. Uh, let's see a cat
Scratch Fever Wang Dang Sweet Boom Dang was released May thirteen, nineteen seventy seven.
Homebound. Okay, blah blah blah, All right, let's see.
Yeah, it seems as though seventy seven as the kind of peaked before Kiss
got to You said that album was out eighty five and the tour probably eighty
six. Yeah, was on his way down. I mean that was after
his crest, after Cat Scratch Fever. Oh no, No, Nugent had
not had a major massive hit in a while. I mean he had done
what Little mis Dangerous or something, and maybe been on some movie soundtracks at
that point, right, I mean, that's where he was at and and
still going to play the hits, you know, to tour finding Andy and
probably could have been a headliner all by himself. But I just was like
looking at it, feeling strange about watching Ted Nugent open for the unmake up
kiss, which was never as popular as you know, kiss with makeup,
right, which is why they went back to it in ninety nine or whatever
or ninety six, I forget what year they did that. They went and
they did a couple of shows in Vegas to reunite and all that. But
anyways, let's not delve too long into that. We could talk music,
we could talk whatever topics you want. And now we've got two callers,
so let's let's get started on them. And again let's try and be quick
about things. Move along topics and topic unless you got any more you want
to throw in BPD or you want to save up a couple for our next
lull in the discussion. Well, I'm scanning now as we go, so
yeah, go ahead and bring all the callers fair enough so in the order
that they called in, and of course we have with us the infamous Jimmy
James so or is he? Is he famous? Is he infamous? I
have not heard from your fan club in a while, Jimmy, but I'm
sure now that I mentioned them, they'll they'll contact me. How you doing,
man, I'm doing all right. You guys got some things wrong.
They're on the nuge. We got things forgot things wrong. Okay, you
forgot strangle Holds. You forgot his mega hit from the nineteen nineties, Fred
Bear, and you forgot that he was in Damn Yankees in nineteen eighty five
and had a huge shit. Okay, Look, it's not anything wrong there.
It's just a matter of Truthfully, though his career was not, you
know, headlining a stadium by himself in eighty six. It just wasn't even
with the Damn Yankees thing. Well, that didn't come out till the nineties.
Damn Yankees came out in nineteen ninety. Okay, I didn't know that
Stranglehold and all that was on his d that was on his first album,
Technisian. That was a seventy five Okay, so seventy five per Stranglehold,
seventy seven cat Scratch Fever, So you know you're talking nine years after he's
opening for Kiss. So you know, anyway, what was Ted Nugent doing
in nineteen eighty five? Let's see, well, Penetrator came out in eighty
four, and Little mis Dangerous came out in eighty six. Yeah, I
knew a Little Mis Dangerous was around here, so okay, yes, I
wouldn't say we got anything wrong per se, but maybe we didn't count all
of his hits. Okay, fair enough, And of course Stranglehold was a
huge thing and continues to be a staple on classic rock now right. Ted
Nugent concert map nineteen eighty six, Let's see if he was in North America?
Where when was he in Jersey? Let's see if I can find it
real quick here, because I know I saw him in either New York or
New Jersey, So sorry, go ahead. He had a couple of big
hits off that first album. He had Stranglehold, He had Snake King,
Cowboys, Motor City, Madhouse, just when the Doctor Ordered. Yeah,
that was a that was That was an excellent album for a first album.
But see, I remember him more back during the Amboy Dukes when he you
know, Great White Buffalo and when those came out. So I guess.
I guess that seems to me that he'd been around forever, because I remember
him back into Amboy Dukes before he ever broke out on his own. You
know, more of his old stuff that is less than his ladder stuff at
the end of his career. Fair enough. Right now, I'm going through
his concert calendar in eighty six, which was pretty interesting and many many concerts.
Deep Uh says he played one hundred and six shows that year, which,
Okay, Wildwood, New Jr. Note wasn't the Wildwood New Jersey one
for sure. Let's see where his next appearance was in the Tri state area.
Broom County veterans were more. No, that's not it. Let's see
War Memorial Rochester. Nope, I did not go to Rochester for that.
I'm looking over this, though, I guarantee I'm gonna find this show was
in New York or New Jersey in eighty six, so I'll find it.
But he's bouncing around a bit and going through New York a few times,
going to Syracuse and everywhere else. Might have been Madison Square Garden or Brendan
Byrne. Oh, that's likely what it was. Okay, Brendan Burn Arena,
East Rutherford, New Jersey, on April twelfth, nineteen eighty six,
which I believe he should have been opening for Kiss. Let's see, here's
the entire set list. I remember that time period he was doing Laderman a
lot. Maybe it was in association with that tour, might have been.
It says he was promoting Little Mis Dangerous at this time, and he opened
with Yankney Crank Me, just with the Doctor Ordered Free for All, Hey,
Baby, Painkiller, Angry young Man, the Great White Buffalo, Crazy
Ladies, a Little Mis Dangerous, Motor City Madhouse, and then did an
encore and this is what I remember seeing, uh, Stranglehold, Cat Scratch,
Fever, and Wang Dang Sweet Poon Tang just as his encore. That's
his three songs. So there you go. I don't see how you could.
I don't see how you could call him a massage and as every one
of them are what I call a love story. Fair enough, I'm just
telling you what people said about him and how he was perceived. I'm not
saying what I called him as as an aside. Strangleholds Guitar solo has been
ranked as the thirty first greatest guitar solo by Guitar World. Okay, I've
got amazing I'd have to put it, I'd have to put I put it
on the top ten. When you no, I'm definitely not in the top
ten. I mean, but I would put it in the top twenty five.
Minor correction, bye the bye. I actually saw him play with Kiss
on April eleven, not twelve. Uh so he played solo on April twelve,
and he played with Kiss on April eleventh. There you go, And
I want to verification on that song can you take me high enough? Because
that sounds weird to me. I thought that came out in the mid eighties,
nineteen ninety see all right, Oh damn Yankees, Damn Thanks debut nineteen
eighty nine. Mm hmm, I formed, uh thirties New York nineteen eighty
nine. She had, I would guess a few years before that. So
I'm glad I'm not on Jeopardy and I'm glad that wasn't the question. There
you go, because I have nineteen eighty five burned in my head for that
song. And yeah, that song when it came out, that one shot,
Let's see they peaked at thirteen the album did now the single Let's See
High Enough peaked at number three, number two. I'm sorry fully us mean,
and now taking a look at Kissing set list from that night, I
remember why I was a bit dissatisfied with the concert, so it makes perfect
sense. I didn't even enjoy it until the latter end of it. And
yeah, they were doing their unmake up crap most like, you know,
ending with rock and roll all night and then coming back for a trying to
surprise us, and they did a cover of Lifted Rips aka led Zeppelin song
a Whole Lot of Love, So that was part of the reason why I
was kind of like, and they're they're closing for their encore was lick it
Up. So you know, I remember the first time kiss was on Don
Cursor's Rock Concerts, and I thought, you know, these guys are gonna
they're gonna go fast, they're gonna reach high, and then they're gonna burn
out. I never thought they would last as long as they did. Yeah,
I mean, they must hold the world record for the most merchandise created
for a band in history. Yeah, they've got two hands down. I
mean, that's gotta be searchable somewhere. I mean, I can't think of
a band that ever had more products with their their logo emblazon on them than
Kiss. I can't. I mean more products created. I mean from dolls
to you know, two movies to everything. I mean, it's just you
know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well Black Sabbath had a cartoon,
you know, and uh, there were others that had cartoons, cool
enough, you know, Jackson five. I used to watch the Jackson five
cartoon when I was little. You know, lots of bands had cartoons,
uh, but no, but Kiss was just crazy. It was like,
you know, lunchboxes, thermiss everything. You know. I'm sure there were
shoes at a certain point. I know there was you know, every kind
of regular run of the mill stuff. But on top of it, I
mean I'm pretty sure there was kissed toothbrushes. I mean I had known a
couple of Kiss fans over the years, and they had some of them had
monstrous collections of just unbelievable stuff that you know. It was just like,
I mean, I find it wilder today. You know, in China they're
making rugs of every old rock band and things like that now. But Kiss
was way ahead of it. I mean, toy cars, everything, Kiss
had anyways, but it was interesting that time period, and it was a
drink of light. May I. I'm just gonna see you know, you
don't make pictures there is a kid of Kid Rock drink a beer the prior
old well, even if it wasn't you know, do you think kid Rock
is the great connoisseur of beer? Who's really paying that much attention every time
somebody hands him a beer? Can? I mean, come on and again
if you're taking him seriously? But what do you want me to tell you?
Is he your role model? Is he your hero? I mean,
is is he anybody here? Know? He's got his own opinions. I
don't see nothing wrong with them expressing them. I don't care, Yeah exactly,
let him do what he wants. I'm just saying, like, what's
the big deal either way? Though? You know, like, is it
that serious? Is he that influential? The thing you don't want to get
into it the whole thing of who bud Light was targeting with that crap,
But I ain't gonna get into just out of curiosity. Who would you think
is probably one of the tops. I don't know if this is current,
but who would you think would be a top of the merchandise sales clock genre
here in the United States, just out of curiosity, t Taylor Swift.
No, She's not even on the list, Believe it or not. I'm
thinking, you know what, you gotta go Beatles, Elvis, Kiss the
Monkeys, who Lady Gaga has fifties? Uh, let's see fifteen point eight
million in merchandise sales. Are On Grande has ten million, eminem Is at
seven point six mill, Justin Biebers at five point six, Sean Menendez four
point eight, Nicki Minaj four point one, Beyonce three point five. Lady
Gaga is kicking beyances. But yeah, but okay, but is it fair
to compare merchandise sales against you know, like a Lady Gaga versus a Kiss
who was probably selling five dollars kiss dolls in the seventies, right, you
know what I'm saying? Like you you couldn't possibly get Like I saw a
what is that guy post Malone, the guy with the tattoos on his face?
Yeah, they made a fun co pop out of a guy, right,
and that thing sells for fifty bucks. I think you know, one
of the biggest genres for merchandise sales is actually the Korean pop music genre.
They there's sales top individual sale where one person will make multiple purchases more than
any other genre. They are heavily in the merch. Yeah, it makes
sense again, you know where you have massive, massive audiences. You know,
again, at one time the Monkeys were a phenomena too, don't forget
right, Oh, of course, yeah, just saying I mean and look
at a certain point, I bet you you could have slapped Michael Jackson's likeness
or name onto anything and it would have sold quite well. Well, you
know, if you think about it back when the Monkeys are you or maybe
a thermis or something. You look at what is offered today, from teach
your church to clothing to dolls to UH Korea. The big thing is the
band's light stick and the specific design, and there's people that just collect light
sticks. You know, it's amazing what is available out there the way of
merch today, from light sticks to guitar picks. What were you saying,
Jimmy James or something you want to add in Oh, I was just going
to confess that in Daily As I bought a Michael Checks and Thriller wallet,
a thriller wallet, Okay, I would not have expected that purchase from you.
I gotta be honest. I have a couple of Ochelly effect wallets,
by the way, a couple of them that I had made that are part
of the random swag packages. But but anyways, they only one of them
went out so far anyhow, so that's available. We do have another caller
waiting on the line, and we'd love to get more. Plus, I'm
gonna go to a break very very soon because I feel a lull coming on
in the conversation and I feel like we should probably rejuvenate ourselves during a break.
What do you think, be Pete, should we take a break or
take the next caller first, or maybe do both in rapid succession. What
do you say you can do both of And before you do that, just
one little quick piece of trivia, somebody did a study and found out that
in the hard rock genre, fifty four percent of the people surveyed owned an
AC DC T shirt. That's interesting, followed by Metallica at fifty three point
five percent. That was going to be my guests for the next one on
the list there, Gee, do you have a third place on that Aerosmith?
Aerosmith point four. You know, Aerosmith always surprises me. Aero Smith
is a hard rocks heavy metal but this is under the Great Alternative Slash under
Classic Rock ac DC. It wins with fifty four point four, followed by
Aerosmith at thirty nine, and then Pink Floyd thirteen point one, which is
two above the Rolling Stones. I'm glad to see that. It's weird to
me because the success of Aerosmith has always confounded me. Uh. I never
thought that they were as great as a lot of other people think they are.
I always thought they were good. It's but I like Aerosmith. I
don't their older stuff. But you can't realize when they when they released new
things, they weren't in competition with many people. They played the calendar to
their advantage when they released it two albums. Yeah, but see, Aerosmith
to me is good. They were releasing the material unlike other classic rockers.
And I just wanted to say on that Errol Smith. Uh hell, I
don't even remember now. Sorry, sorry about that anyways. Look, Aerosmith
has always been like the Scorpions were the heavy metal where they were always part
of the conversation. But I never knew a Scorpions fan. You know what
I'm saying, Like you never a straight up Scorpions fan. Okay, I
remember my question. I must have this answered. It is the person who
sang mom skin different than the usual singer for freaking Aerosmith because it sounds totally
different, which one Mama Ken, Oh, Mama kin. Yeah, I'll
check that out because there was a weird lineup change that took place with Aerosmith.
But let's let's see who the Aerosmith's lineup was for that. Uh.
And I'm gonna do that actually while I pick up the next caller because I
want to get to him before we go to a break, and I think
I got him. Now, how are you doing? Man? Yeah,
what's going on? Well, you know, we're trying to navigate through a
bunch of things, from the fires to the uh you know, to a
rock and roll merchandise. It seems like tonight. So what's on your mind?
Yeah, I don't forgot I was talking about you. Oh well,
I'm sorry. That's all right, that's all right, I understand, I
totally understand. According to according to the lineup of Varro Smith though, just
to let you know, Steven Tyler is listed as vocals and harmonica for Momikin.
So, yeah, that's really weird because he sings completely different than in
that song that he has in any other song he's ever made. I didn't
know that Guns N' Roses covered that kind of makes sense when you listen to
Axel at certain points that he would try and cover that. I mean,
if you if you say that Axel was not influenced by Steven Tyler, I
mean, I don't know what to tell you, because he was. And
there's also a saxophone on that song, which I forgot about. Uh.
David Woodford played saxophone on that song. Joey Kramer's the drummer. Tom Hamilton
is the bass player, Brad Whitford on second guitar, Joe Perry on first
guitar. But Steven Tyler is listed as vocals, harmonica and would flute.
Just so you know, released in seventy three on Columbia. Okay, David
David Woodford played the sax That's what it says. Yeah. So anyway,
Harlan, what else is on your mind besides you know the strangeness? I
mean, have you been keeping up on the directed energy weapon discussion? Uh?
Are you curious about the JFK thing that we're gonna do on Monday,
because I think you're gonna want to hear that one. Yeah, I'll listen
to the majority of the point. Yeah, i'd like to thank you.
Got Yeah, I'm gonna do it on their platform. It's going to be
a watch along on their platform, and we're gonna we're gonna break down this
documentary. And it's not to personally target the person who did it. It's
just about this information that has been repeated by more than one person already and
is catching catching some air man. It's starting to take wings among alternative thinking
people and I'm going, oh man, not again. You know, come
on, well you've got to come up with something that whoever wants a while,
well they try to reinvented people come up, you know, with something
else to get you know, especially younger people that are not being interested.
It's not you know, people to smooth or looking at things. And I'm
not guess where you get along. Yeah, but you know, to tell
me that you've solved the case and to tell me that you've got the answers
and you don't you know, know, the basic information. It's a problem
I mean, I understand you want to excite people with a with an interesting
theory and do that. Do that, but identify it as a theory and
don't build it on poorly shaped evidence. You know where you're telling me that
the stuck open microphone was examined by the Warren Commission. That's just wrong.
That's not where that came from. Yeah, I've never I've never even heard
that one, which I'm sure you know I forgot over than a lot of
it those you know about it. But I've heard all kinds of saying.
So I think one of the most interesting that you know, I've seen really
was, you know, the the kill shot coming from the drainage stitch that
was in that film that we discussed, you know, a couple of months
ago, that documentary JFK to nine to eleven. Everything's a rich franch trick
I would kind of had in the sery and I you know, this might
be out here everywhere before I say this, and they might be somebody already
said, but I've just ever heard I always stop looking, you know what
some of the videos and the way that you know, it was kind of
back into the left and then it really you know, it kind of got
like the side of his heads. It wouldn't necessarily mean somebody would have been
shooting like from the grass you noddle, like an angle. He could very
well been somebody else, you know, a hundred fifty two hundred yards away,
you know, using a rifle the chilence round me, and it would
have made especially people, you know, screaming, you know, hey,
miss the president. A lot of people wouldn't really you know, how to
change early grass bone to it. And I'm sure you know there was other
vehicles you know, in the area that wasn't moan the route, But I've
never heard anybody bring it up that that was a possibility. I mean,
I've heard about you know, the machine gun, you know, accidental far
from a rear. I've heard, you know a little bit of everything.
But well, because of the yeah, you got problems with the line of
site unless you're highly elevated right to get too far away from where he is
Indey Plaza. So this is why I think people never considered that there was
a shot from a fair distance. But I understand where you're coming from,
and don't dismiss it out of hand. But I will tell you something interesting
that was published in a variety magazine. Uh says it was published May fifteen,
twenty twenty three, and was just pointed out to me recently. But
this one killed me. Vigo Mortensen shile above, Courtney Love. Okay,
yeah, JFK, what's that? Chris said that to me, But I've
not ready to hit Okay, Well, let me just give you a little
bit on this real fast, because here we go again, is what I
say to this immediately, David, And I'm just gonna read from this article
real fast. Even mammoth JFK. Assassination thrillers taking shape, with Courtney Love,
Vigo Mortensen shile above, Alpaccino, and John Travolta joining the cast the
newly titled in quotes, Assassination. The pick was previously called Two Days nineteen
sixty three, will be presented to buyers at the film market in Conns this
week and I never saw this before. With arc Light Films handling international sales.
Here's the official synopsis for the project. Nineteen sixty three, During a
crucial justice hearing against organized crime, the head of the Chicago Mob orders the
assassination of President John F. Kennedy Jr. Creating a deadly conspiracy while altering
the fate of a nation. Directed by Pulitzer Prize winning and Oscar nominee Mammot,
Heist and Wag the Dogger the films, the film is written by Mammot
and Nicholas Celosi, who based the script on his great uncle, the Chicago
Mobs Sam gan Kanna, who may have played a significant role in orchestrating the
Kennedy's assassination. Previous reports about the film have indicated that it will focus on
the events that took place forty eight hours before the assassination, telling the Mob's
version of the story. Silosie based the material on details shared hang On based
the details. Hang On based the material on details shared by his late uncle
Pepe gan Kanna's brother, who suggested that the mob's hand in the assassination was
payback for President's alleged snubbing of gan Kanna and his campaign against organized crime despite
his reliance on the Mob during elections. I'll pause, what did you want
to ask? Jimmy? Was started out if I recalled blaming Momo Lou move
and then all of a sudden had switched to traffic Conte what happened there?
I didn't say anything about trap Conte. I am Momo would be gian Kanna's
nickname according to some but uh no, the snubbing of Giancanna. And this
is based on this guy's uncle, who is supposedly Giancanna's brother, right,
let's see the telling on this version. Late uncle Pepe's brother Gianna, not
Traficanta. Okay, I get it. I think the trafic contact because he's
the one that actually was involved. Okay, but well trapa Kante would be
the guy in Florida, which is not the Chicago guy anyways, Oscar winning,
Yeah, I think him and Marcello would have a lot more interest in
that thing than the Chicago guy. I don't know why they always try to
blame old I don't seem like hed much power at the time. Well that's
the trouble there when you know, uh, you know who who actually was
pulling the switches despite what people think at that point, when it comes to
the Chicago outfit, which you got to look up, a guy named the
Cardo Okay, Anthony Tonya Cardo. I forget what his nickname was, but
anyway, that would be the guy calling a lot of the shots for Chicago
at that point. Not to say that gian Connor wasn't important and didn't become
important, but yet nineteen sixty three, I would have more looked to a
guy named the Cardo for this. Anyhow, if you're looking in Chicago anyways,
Look, I'm just saying there is a constant barrage of we've got the
solution, we've got the real theory, we've got the real whatever, and
sometimes there's Hollywood people involved in it. I don't know where this project went
after that. I got to do some follow up research because what happened?
What happened to this weird project that ends up with the likes of and by
the way, why did they call him John F. Kennedy Junior when he's
not a junior who was assassinated in nineteen sixty three? Could be a typo,
I guess. Anyways, all of that having been put out there and
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think there's another caller, Yes, there is. There's another caller on the
phone line. And I've been joined by a skype by mister Chris Graves,
who I was up this morning with for a bit, even though he was
in the midst of a tornado and didn't join the new prisoners at the very
beginning of the show. He did join later. And I got strangely derailed
by Lisa on that show for a moment there where I'm trying to explain one
thing and she starts talking about the judge and I'm going, wait a minute,
wait a minute. I was like, hold on, I'm talking about
you as the presenter of evidence. If you're trying to tell a story as
a lawyer, you need to have your ducks in a row. And she
started talking about the judge and I'm like, well, in that case,
the judge is YouTube, the audience is the jury. And I'm still talking
about the same problem. If you don't have your craft together and you don't
know the evidence, how are you going to present a case? Anyway.
It was weird for a minute there, but I think we got through it.
And everybody's in their ways early in the day, right, So how
you doing, Chris? What's on your mind tonight? And then we'll get
back around the table see what speed Peak picked up and get to our other
caller as quick as I can. But what's going on, man? No,
nothing much as I wish I had a show earlier, But you know,
I had an older gentleman. I won't say his name, he's been
on before, but you know, it is what it is. You can
get to other callers, Chuck, I'm just glad to be a part of
the show tonight. That's all well, fair enough, and I know the
circumstance, and that happens sometimes people are supposed to show up for shows.
I had that happen almost a full week last week. You know, if
Pete Pete had craped out on me at the end of the week, it
would have been everybody that week I was supposed to show up on the mic
with me didn't show. At least we had a good show at the beginning
of the week with a filmmaker in a musician or whatever. So that's closer
to me having mister Kevin Smith on too, I think. Yeah, excellent,
excellent show and was interesting the guys in a punk band. He also
just put out a film. What's like Kevin Smith's assistant this podcast. Yeah,
what's the name of that film he just put out? I forgot the
name wrong reasons Like, uh, it's like a punk rock, d I
Y themed thriller kind of thing. Guys. Pretty cool. He's spinning a
lot of plates that I'd like to be spinning myself, you know what I
mean. Right, Yeah, he's got an independent film out there that he
did like all the all kinds of work on it. He said he was
wearing like five hats and doing a documentary on the late Michael Parks, that
great character actor. He worked with him on Kevin's movie Tusks as an assistant
and things. So yeah, Josh Rousch checking out a wrong wrong places.
Uh, someone that myself you know, looks up to him, you know,
because they're doing what I really want to be doing with my life,
right, creating interesting stuff. That that thriller based on some sort of kidnapping
scenario. I haven't seen the film yet, but it looks interesting. Uh.
And also yeah, his stories. He told a couple of interesting stories
on there too, just in general, which I thought we were nice about,
you know, hanging out and doing some of the other work that ends
up getting done on films and uh, and stuff like that. So and
it co owns uh. Yeah, he has a five percent stake in Kevin's
fifth movie theater. So that's something I also would love to do one day.
You know. Yeah, I don't know what good movie theaters do anymore.
I mean, I don't know if they're doing good business now. Now
it's like a specialty thing, kind of like art houses, you know,
that kind of thing. It's not any viable source of income, but somebody
still like to do some day. No, but look, if I owned
five percent of it, I'd be proud as hell. I'd displayed that on
my wall, that's for sure. I mean, a movie theater in Jersey.
Hell yeah, sign me up for any percentage of it. So,
I mean, yeah, and cool stuff. That was a good interview.
So listening one more thing, and I'm also lining up an interview with at
least one of the developers of the New Texas changedaw Massecre video game that went
live yesterday I believe, No, it went live today because on the date
in the movies August eighteenth, nineteen seventy three. So they they literally they
held it to the date in the movie from the original movie. So trying
to get those guys on too, so nice, nice, Yeah, No,
It's always interesting to see the people that you bring on because it's very
interesting stuff. A lot of filmmaker people, a lot of people in the
industry, very very good stuff. I'm not going to get more musicians some
of the guys in Anthrax, but now now I see that Scottie and and
you know, his take on the whole green thing kind of soured me on
Anthrax a little bit. So trying to get some of the old thrash guys,
you know, like plus Head, even like the guy who did the
artwork for Metallogist came on. People like that too, there's a guy.
There's a guy to talked. I didn't know he was still alive plus head
really yeah, yeah yeah, I'm just waiting the room to get back to
me. Yeah wow, Okay, I did not know that. I mean,
I'm at no offense. I'm not trying to miss anything on him.
I'm just saying I had this idea that he had done that artwork so long
ago that he would be a guy who's gone by now. You know,
he was like the guy's age, you know, like I guess James just
turned sixty, so yeah, he's pread, he's around that age, I
believe. Yeah, it makes sense. I mean, it makes perfect sense
that those guys yeah about yeah good eight years older than me. That makes
sense perfectly. Yeah. So I'd like to get more more of the musicians
on, Like I wanted to do that from the beginning, to be honest.
But you know, I'll take like the horror movie folks. You know
that's another in comic book, folks. But the thing that's been sorely lacking
has been the musician side of things. Like I supposed to have Sully from
God Smack on. Like I keep announcing these people and then they never show
up, so I'm gonna shut up. Yeah, I'm supposed to have a
fairly well known main well not main alternative music drummer on pretty soon, so
I'm waiting on that myself. I mean, look, I love talking to
musicians too, So we're gonna get into more different guests coming soon, and
we're gonna do this thing on Monday that I think is going to be fascinating
where we're gonna break down the problematic information the popular film at the moment and
hope that we can sort of get people to understand that. Look, you
want to be entertained and you want to watch fiction, identify it as fiction,
and that's all fine and dandy, but which is which is funny?
Check? I want to just remember, I don't know if you saw the
thing I sent you, but I found it like right after you left the
New Prisoners livestream. They're making a movie. David Mammitt wrote a movie about
the jfk assassination and it has Courtney Love and al Paccino. Other people read
that article. I read from that article just a little while ago in order
to get but that's from May of this year. That's not new. They
were presenting that. No, but now they're no. But what now they're
ready to start selling the rights to it? Oh god, well you see,
but in that article they said they were offering the rights at cons that
week. So that was back in May. So I'm like, I'm recycling
it again because they're actually getting ready to show them the crap happened Vancouver,
I guess in September. Oh god, you know, and it's gonna be
a you know, a mob did a thing, and already it's all the
mob's point of view of it, which is not, in my opinion,
not the right point of view. Well, well, here's the problem there,
the mob's point of view. That's a hell of a statement. What
is the mob's point of view? Really, dud? Mob didn't change the
parade route? But no, no, but what is the mob's point of
serious? Like, how do you qualify that even to say reliably? Screenwriters
uncle was Jean Connor. This screenwriter's uncle was Jean Connor's brother or something that
he got the information from. Yeah, Peppe, I know, and that's
fine, but that's not like the mob's point of view. That's Peppe's point
of view, that's his idea. You know what I'm saying, if you
go and you talk to a Gambino family member, you'll get a different point
of view about the JFK sassination. I know this, so okay, it
was just upsetting when I saw that. And yeah, go ahead, Jimmy,
And can I say one thing that really bugs me with all this mafia
crap is nine percent of it came from so called mob lawyers. Oh yeah,
so you know, boy thing, I mean a mobster. And then
think of how dirty their lawyers are. I mean, why would you believe
anything they say? And then now you got law clerks who worked for these
lawyers right in these crazy books saying the mob dude, No, I know.
I listen, Jimmy, I'm with you here. The guy who is
the lawyer for the mob guy is not well read into what's happening. Okay,
he's just not. He knows what he needs to know, and that's
it. And then you get into you got clerks and stuff reporting on.
Stay. Yeah, you got problems here. You don't have the mob's point
of view. You know. I sat down with legitimate members of the Banano
family, of the Gambino family, uh to to ask them about some of
this stuff, and you know, not the oldest of old timers, but
older than me by a long shot, uh many years ago. That wasn't
my my phrasing either. By the way, that's what the article said,
point of view, the mob's point. That's what I'm saying. It's ridiculous.
And they also at the beginning of the article JFK Jr. John F.
Kennedy Junior. Uh no, yeah, that's that's not John F.
Kennedy Junior. Okay, because his father's well, all right, fine,
but it's just saying you get again, get your facts strewed. All right?
Sorry, anyway, let me get to this next caller. I just
want people to get their facts straight. At least you know you're gonna present
me a crazy theory. Cool, but do it with real facts. I
mean, you know, at least start there. Get your info straight.
All right, hold on, so let's see. Oh, hold on,
I picked up the wrong line. Where is he? There? He is?
Okay. Meanwhile, I've been keeping this guy on hold too long.
How you doing, man? Hell? Yeah, good good. It's good
to hear from vance Vanarchy himself. What's on your mind tonight? You got
anything you want to throw on this table that will take us into a different
direction. I'm sure you have different thoughts than the jfk assassination or who knows,
maybe you want to go way back. In the beginning of the discussions
to Ted Nugent, the MAUI fires, uh, whatever's on your mind,
bro go for it. Well, I did want to mention on the Kiss,
and I guess Ted Nugent thing too. The first concert I ever went
to was Kiss in nineteen seventy four in Houston, and I was there visiting
my mom nice for the weekend. There's been a whatever and heard about it,
you know, they were going to be there, and she bought me
a ticket and took had dropped me off and went by myself, all by
myself, thirteen years old, I think it was. It would have been
thirteen and makeup makeup, Yeah, that was with all the that's makeup.
Yeah, well he spent blooded the show that I was at in eighty six,
but there was no makeup. And that's definitely a different era. Although
coincidentally, funny thing is, I'm like thirteen when I went to go see
that too. But uh yeah, but in your in your time, when
you were thirteen, mans, they still had the makeup. They were just
at the beginning of the huge launch their popularity. That's where it was right
there in the mid seventies, early to mid seventies they started with the gigantic
launch of the phenomena that became Kiss, you know, So there you go.
And like when it was like a really wild concert too. I can't
remember now the bands because I didn't necessarily know most like the opening bands or
whatever. But it was like Procol Harom or uh bands like that and stuff
I can't remember now. Wow, pro procol Harum is a name. Yeah,
procol Harum is a name you don't hear all the time anymore. Huh,
that's that's not And there's another group that hasn't named kind of like that.
It might have been one or the other. Anyway, it was like
a pretty wild, you know, affair. And I'd say my first concert
and that that's what I picked. And and uh actually went to the bathroom
at some point, like during animission or whatever, and people some guys offering
the acid and stuff. You know, I'm like thirteen years old and I
thought here about that, you know, but but it's like that's how crazy
it was. Just luckily I didn't get no trouble or nothing. But it
was all cool. I didn't have no problems to buy jack with me or
nothing nice. Did you take the ascid? No? No, yeah,
I said, I just I just smoke pots, you know, I got
you smoke some pot wires there. But but but yeah, but uh.
And then about the Hawaii fire stuff, there's it seems to be a whole
lot of you know, coincidences going on with that, you know. And
and to the point about the directed energy weapons stuff, and the the one
thing I noticed just when I was watching footage of them, you know,
the putters they were showing on the TV and stuff, and they're going down
the shoreline and you know, people are in the water, you know,
to escape the fire. And there's all these cars they're just burned up,
like I mean, burn the hell up. And one card literally has no
hood and the motor is melted, you know, And I'm like, how
did the fire get that? You know? The this the asphalt still and
relatively you know, well as when you get somebody. But at any rate,
that's something you know that I've been you know. And then they got
the needs the directed energy weapon research. There's there's one there and one in
New Mexico, so that just happens to be there. And then the chief
of police or whatever just happens to be the guy that was the the crisis
management you know, head of whatever during the Las Vegas shooting thing for the
Las Vegas Police Department, and now he's in charge of this one. So
you know, I'm you know, could be coincident. I'm not saying it's
not a coincident. So I'm just saying there's a whole lot of coincidences,
and that that that footage I saw there, and so, like I said,
it's just hard for me to understand how an engine because that's the way
it peers. Maybe I'm you know, miss seeing the picture or whatever,
but I chafy advanced. I feel like that. Okay, you said the
same. I found that interesting. The same cop that was involved in the
Vegas fiasco is over in Hawaii involved in this. Did you say that really?
Yeah? Well, I'll say that's weird, and I will say that
don't matter how these things started. The Vegas crap was just used water coincidence
to push then anti gun and gender, and now are they doing it the
milling crap in its climate change. Yeah, and it's just a land grab
too. I mean, this is like they did in California. Let the
stuff build up until it catches on fire and blame it on the power company
and and you know by the land up for jeeps and you know, it's
a real opportunity crisis. Well that was the thing that killed me, man,
is that immediately you know, these people that are still looking searching for
their loved ones, their pets, they don't know the condition of their homes
that even a whole lot of them, and the vultures come out. Man,
they just do. Uh. That is one of the most amazing and
ridiculous things that happens every time there is something like us where you know,
no matter what, and I don't know if that's you know, a natural
thing or I'm not claiming that they you know that they're exactly the people who
did it or any I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, isn't it
amazing how quick people are? Like, Hey, you know a person that
just survived the fire. I know you don't know where your wife is yet,
but you want to sell your house, you know. I'm just saying,
like, what the hell, you know, come on already, can
we capitalism get on board? Buddy? I know, but I mean,
what the hell I mean, can you let people bury there? You know?
Can you let people bury their dead before you go in for profit?
I mean, is that possible? You know, I don't know. Maybe
they're using that excuse, you know, because bodies or ashes, and that's
why they're not you know, we're letting people go because they'd just be trampling
the ashes and you know, and all that. And I guess in that
type of the fire, you know, that's pretty much what's going to happen
anyway, right, So you know, I like to throw a few things
in here about what advances talking about ony side. Well, you know,
the hood is burnt completely out, you know, foaters and sauted stuff,
A lot of that is And I want to say, before you know,
I get started, you know, I'm not saying that, and so I'm
not saying, you know that whatever happen. The only thing I'm gonna say
is there's a lot of these vehicles found are made out of fiberglass and all
in them, and it doesn't take that much, you know, to burn
them completely up. I saw a Tesla that was burnt down on a cliff
and all that was there was basically like the edge of the frames, the
roof, everything was down and you can see it look like a goob of
you know, used to be you know, something in Ala. But that's
where you're getting seeing a lot of what vances, you know, talking about.
I have seen some of the pictures from the California Fars that Chris Is
talked about and Don Jefferys talked about it. I was in California just one
week, but for several weeks when that was going on. Different parts of
dates, you know, look different, you know, around Neadles, there's
a lot of white smoke that's over on forty are you come out of Arizona
from like hav A, Sioux City, and then it turns in to once
you get in you know probably you know, sixty miles towards like you're driving
with like a ceiling and hell, everything's read. I had some pictures of
it. I sent a few people on messenger because by Cameron, messengers better
than what my direct phone is. I'd wind up reloading my messenger in a
while. Saw that, but you know, I think you know, gaps
withal. It wasn't anything over around Bakersfield. Once you got tours to Hatchby,
you know, had turned back to where it was like completely white,
even though you couldn't really see a far around. And I was some up
in northern California outside of gilder Well around two lanes before lay diverted, a
lot of traffic, and I mean the down far was like right there,
you know, burning up to the edge of the paper and that was up
there fight you know, as we was gone thirty very hot, which you
know out west and the winds blown, you know, those farest can get
very hot. I can remember basically about twenty one years ago outside of Bakersfield
was probably three hundred and fifty four hundred yards minimum, was not five hundred
away from Afar And when I drove by, and it was like out in
the field, whether the wind was blown, just driving by hit heating the
complete side of the truck up, and it was went from an uncomfortable and
hot so like it was just burning the hell out of and you just trying
to get away from it, you know. The thing. I mean,
that was the thing. But I know when stuff was going on, you
know, back then out there. Hell, it just seemed like everything was
on if it was a field, you know, a lot of this stuff
you couldn't see it, you know, from the interstate that there was so
much stuff that was on fire, you know, ship there would smoke everywhere
and where this thing was that out west to Natles to words it it looked
like, you know, like some of you Mars photos that you say,
I mean it was wild I'd like to have a high clock camp, you
know, and looked at and good. Can I make this kind of one
observation here just between nine to eleven and these wildfires. And I'm not saying
it's a directed energy thing at all, because I don't have the evidence.
Could I just say that those pictures of the toasted cars and whatever you used
to make may or may not think of doctor Judy Wood or whatever. I
don't know what to make of her, to be honest, but when she
was talking about those toasted cars that were, you know, as far away
from the World Trades Hunter as FDR drive that we're completely melted and there's like
papers everywhere that are not on fire. That's what some of these photographs in
Hawaii remind me of Ore the toasted vehicles on nine to eleven, which to
this day is still a major oddity of nine eleven. And that's exactly where
I was going, Chris, is that you know that it reminded me of
that. And like in the footage that I've seen, and I haven't studied
this extensively at this point yet, but to the in the in the perspective
of the camera, the ocean's on the right and the lands on the left,
and and it's a long way to anything that was ever on fire.
Like I said, it's not like it's in the middle of the forest or
you know, in a house or you know there there's actually nothing, you
know, very close. And of course the winds were blowing, you know,
really really strong, which that's kind of an oddity. I don't I
haven't looked into the meteorological you know, conditions at the time and and all
that. But but but if the winds I understand that, you know,
like aluminum melts it at like twelve hundred and twenty one degrees and so but
it takes a long time. It's going to take the long time of twelve
hundred degrees or you know, blowing on that car and then there's people that
are in the ocean, so you know, I would have to assume if
there was a wind that was blowing a twelve hundred plus degree temperature across the
land, those people would have been since the death where they ever got to
the you know, to the ocean. Thus they were right there. So
anyway, I'm just but I'm not saying it was because I can't prove it,
Chuck, So I'm not saying it was direct energy. I'm just saying
really weird. Looking at it reminded me of those toasted cars like the like
the and was just men. Yeah, and again I have a question.
Good, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. I just had a question
for Advance and Chris. I don't believe it was energy weapons. I think
it was down power lines and for land management. But let's just say,
Jimmy, that could be a too. I'm not just counting that at all.
Hold on, hold on, I want to get to my question.
But let's just assume that you're right it was energy weapons. Why would you
assume your own country did it instead of safe for I said nothing of the
sort. I said nothing. Well, that's that's the thing. Okay,
okay, hold on me Chris isn't saying that his own country did it.
He doesn't say that it is energy weapons. He's just saying that it looks
strange. That's the only thing he's saying. And it reminded him of that
other strange thing, that's all he was saying. Yeah, what about events
switch your thought on the whole thing. Well, I mean it is strange
that you know, there is a directed energy laboratory on the island, you
know, So it's not like, well, you know, you know,
I believe during eleven was our country attacking itself to push an agenda. So
that's nine eleven. Well either way, either way, there's lots of people's
views on that that go a lot of different ways. And you know,
there is the let it happen or make it happen, or you know,
is it just a failure of imagination as described in the official story. I
don't buy that. I got a problem there. I don't think there's a
failure of imagination. But yeah, I do think there are there are.
We're obviously lives in that report. For instance, clearly they've demoed that building
seven because it basically spies Central where they kept all the information on the east
coast, so that they self demoled that there will be for instance, and
building. So I'm willing to agree, Yeah, that's an interesting thing.
Where where they would where where? Why not do that? As a matter
of fact, See, the only strange thing about that to me is why
not just come out admit that and say, look, you know what,
we took down that building afterwards because we could and we already had the stuff
built in there to do it. And that's all there is to it.
I mean, just why not just say that, like, we took it
down. Nobody was you know, killed in the collapse of seven as far
as I know, that was a continguency plan Chuck to admit that afterwards,
but for some reason they didn't go with it. I'm not sure why,
but that was brought up in the early days, but somebody would say to
themselves, why not just got to that, you know, because it would
be logical. I like, this information that was in that pile, we
had a secure exactly what did you know? Did you know a lot of
New York cities? Uh, like the Uh they were keeping a lot of
evidence stored there. They got destroyed. So now it's just world time.
Yeah, there's a there's a ton of stuff there. Secret Service investigations that
a whole lot of evidence was stored there. Nobody talks about that at all
because the Secret Service had an office in that building and Ron and SEC investigate
the SEC investigations, there was a whole lot of stuff. Now they they
state that, you know, there was probably facilities which had redundancies as far
as you know, electronic files and all this, And maybe that's true.
I'm not saying. You know, look, it would be idiocy to store
electronic files in only one location, right, I mean, wouldn't that just
be sensible to have redundancy elsewhere, But just that, Look, this facility
needed to be secure. It was no longer secure, and the only way
to secure it was to make it unmanageable so nobody could go in there and
possibly extract, you know, some hard drives, could possibly we demoed that
building to protect various things. I would accept that explanation, and I would
say, Okay, mystery solid. You know, I would say, well,
somebody made that decision, and it's probably the right move actually, considering
the various things that were probably highly sensitive in that building from the Secret Service,
they actually suspended some of the recovery efforts to to remove files. Yeah,
to have information from that building when people were still dying, and that
would be a proper procedure, you know, like in my mind, and
yeah, I don't trust look, and I don't trust the intelligence agencies as
far as I could throw any of them, and believe me, I can't
throw the CIA very far. But the point is that it would be malpracticed
to think otherwise. So that's why I say, you know, look,
at a certain point, you got to accept that if you're going to have
secrecy, and you're going to admit that there are various things that can't be
shown to the world or the general public, then you're gonna have to take
some interesting measures to assure but that that is secure. There's an interesting little
a little a little trivia, I guess from my past. The first stintive
thing I did when I checked in with my one of my battalions, they
were like gone on, they were already deployed and anyways, the regiment had
air detachment air DEAT, and one of the first things Osama bin Laden did
would blow up some of our embassies in Africa. You may recall of course,
you guys say that he really didn't, but for some reason, I
well, I don't answer. I don't. I don't say that he didn't.
Well, hold on just one second, Jimmy, Jimmy, hold on,
let us let us speak either. Hold on a second, Jimmy,
because I don't say that. I understand, but I don't say that bin
Laden didn't blow up those towers in the Cold War towers. I've never said
anything like that, So please go ahead, though, Well some people do
say that, maybe, Yeah, why is our whole purpose of going there
was drue tree of all the paper documents, So you were involved in going
and retrieving some of the documentation that was no longer secure in those buildings.
Is that what you're selling me. Yeah, we pretty much had to go
there to retrieve all the paperwork and I detmold the buildings. I've finished the
job. So yeah, that's perfectly normal. If in information is compromises that
destroyed, Yeah, secure it one way or another. Secure to destroy it.
That way, it is secured. It can't be disseminated if it is
destroyed. I mean, it's not the ideal situation, but given the circumstance,
that might be the path that they have to take. That's what I
just said. You know, and believe me. I don't say that this
guy wasn't involved in all kinds of things. I just think it's questionable as
to who was paying them at certain points in time. I am a question.
Go ahead, all right. One question is this, and this is
for everybody. You can jump in, because I'm sure people are gonna want
to jump in, all right. My question is this, why with nine
to eleven do we automatically dismiss the possibility the building seven was damaged from all
the debris that fell on it and fire started in the building, and they
recognize that one side of the building was bowing out and on the verge of
buckling, and knew it was going to come down and had made comments earlier
in the day about it. Why does everybody automatically dismiss the possibility that the
building came down because it was damaged and had fires. That's my question.
Why is that automatically dismissed? Well, because that never happened to a building
of that type before, even when it was struck by the debris it was
struck by well, well, wait, wait a minute. This argument that
things never happened like this to a building before is not true. Buildings have
been damaged and have had partial collapses, Buildings have been damaged and have been
full collapses. This whole notion that ovis never happened before. Just because something
never happened before, does that mean that it can't happens very much video?
There's too much videos. I've been the first one to say that. You
know, back in the wild West days of YouTube, there was everything on
there in the world, you know, spaceships, lasers, you know,
I've seen the nuke in the basement gimmick. I mean, I've seen a
lot of stuff, but it's kind of hard for big you know, I
means to be shot out of the side of the building. You know,
what was access was it several I'll just say this, b there was adown
heard it over several radios. What was the countdown front? Well, only
bevil seen said that, you know, admitted it. That's in you know,
almost every nine to eleven video that's ever been made, you know,
about pulling him. That's how Luke Ridowski, you know, he kind of
got famous out of calling him out and at meeting you know, years ago,
seeing that announced the building had collapsed way earlier than the other people like
to say it was even further back. It was around eleven believe it was
eleven o'clock ten forty five that morning. CNN announced that Building seven had collapsed.
Then they had they had the back backtrack, and then later on the
BBC and CNN once again reported its premature collapse again, and then eventually one
minute, just right, let me address a couple of things that have been
said in the past few seconds. All right, One, talking about the
twin towers. I beams can be ejected sideways from a building during a major
collapse because of the tension that is created on the metal structure before the tension
is released, Yes, you can shoot I beams out across the city street
and a collapsing building. Two, there is no video evidence showing that the
myriad of theories that have been brought up, except for a structural collapse of
Building seven, was anything but a structural collapse of Buildings seven. There is
no video evidence of it imploding or dropping at free fall speed. That's all
been debunked. It well, can I finish one damn time on this are
not true? That it hasn't been debate, they have been factually backed up
if I by whom the video evidence itself to, just debunks everything that has
been said in the past five minutes. If you study that, how much
engineering have you done in your life? How much of you the shitloads of
it? And people automatically dismiss these things because of copies of copies of copies
of videos. CNN announced that a building collapsed, as it ever across your
mind that maybe CNN got some bad information and went on the air with it,
didn't retract it, came back with the same info four hours later because
somebody else confirmed, yes, the building has collapsed out of all the chaos
going on that day, because CNN screwed up, that's proof of something other
than the building collapsing. Be realistic here. Well, see, I've always
I've always argued about that because look, there was plenty of inaccurate things that
were reported as factual that day, and I remember them. Allegedly the capital
was bombed on the ground, there were car bombs in DC that had detonated,
supposedly confirmed reports, uh you know, and and they were wrong.
We didn't have explosions in areas of DC where they were being reported that had
actually occurred. There was other things that had gone down in Manhattan that they
reported that were inaccurate. There was a lot of confusion. True. It
is just very strange to see the BBC reporter with the image behind her of
the building still standing there and talking about it collapsing, and that video feed
gets cut it. That is a weird piece of video because you would think
not the person on camera, they don't know what the hell's behind them,
but you would think somebody producing this might know that that's Building seven behind her
still. And some people would say, look, the BBC didn't know which
building was which. How how did anybody know which building was which until we
started talking about this. After the destruction of the World trans BBC claimed that
they lost their footage from September eleventh, all the footage until that clip came
out five years later. Yeah, but that in and of itself, Chris,
doesn't necessarily prove what I'm saying. There's something there where they're making the
claim, like NASA making the claim that they lost all of the Apollo footage.
Yeah, that's weird. It's the most important days in America and the
world is three. They're gonna lose all their footage conveniently. It's weird stuff
it and filmmakers should know better. I'm sorry, ahead sorry, Is it
not possible that somebody screwed up? Could somebody have thrown out the footage?
So? Could somebody have misplaced it? Could they still have the footage?
But it's in a bark, you know, a box marked third centennial celebration.
Who the hell knows? Look, but just because because these things happen,
they're blown out of proportion, and then after they're blown out of proportion
time and time again, suddenly they're accepted as fact and they're not. That's
what kills me about this whole building seven was heavily damaged from having an eleven
hundred foot building drop on top of it. It was damaged, It had
fires in it, it collapsed. What is hard? What is Why does
it have to be this vast conspiracy? Who? Look at Barry Jennings,
Barry Jennings, there's your conspiracy, Very Jennings. Look up, Verry Jennings,
there's your conspiracy right there. Well, look, I say that there
is plenty to be argued about all this, and there's plenty of strange things
in it, and This is why you hear me often say well let's test
this, you know, and and again look what the BBC did or what
CNN did. This has nothing to do with the primary reason why people think
this. The primary reason why people think this is because you see a very
consistent and even collapse out of a building that was not evenly damaged. This
is why. And also look buildings that are constructed in this way. I've
had longer, hotter fires and not collapsed before, after and during that time
period. So, okay, they had fix. Did they have a building
fall on top of it in in coordination with those fires? No? In
some cases they were hit by all kinds of things. But the thing is,
again I'm just talking about the fires. Okay, did they have a
building fall on top of them? Well, in other cases, other buildings
have fallen into other buildings. And we also again to not know all of
the details from you know, from soup to nuts, from beginning to end,
and to not go through all this stuff myself, I can't say that
it is absolutely consistent with a normal collapse or not. This is why I
bring on people that you know, should have architect and engineer backgrounds in order
to discuss these things. This is why I do it, because yeah,
I had Richard for the exact reason that you're talking about, you know.
So I just tell you that I see this and it looks strange to me.
Be Pete. It looks very strange and suspect now. But I'm not
saying. I'm not saying that the government's position on nine to eleven is gospel.
I have tons of questions about things were allowed to happen and some of
the things that happened in between the building impact and the buildings coming down,
et cetera. But to completely dismissed the fact that Building seven could have come
down because it was damaged and had fires is completely ridiculous. Buildings are made
by man. Nothing that man makes stands forever. I've been an engineering and
long enough to know that even the best designed things failed and to say that
it had to be this, it had to be that it had it had
there this vast conspiracy. I just nobody has been able to provide the information
or the proof that definitively says that building was blown. There's no proof of
it out there. There's a lot of inconsistencies and a lot of things don't
make sense up impure ABP going real fast. I don't even know much about
this nine eleven conspiracy stuff. You say building seven, so you're talking about
the Twin Towers actually themselves, right, No, No, this is a
building with sprit build You talking about the security building, the building. He's
talking about the building with the Secret Service office in it, with the emergency
command center in it, which is not one of the twin towers. The
twin Towers are technically buildings one and two in the complex. It was Judy
Giuliani's emergency blower, reinforced for earthquakes, news, all kinds of things.
Yeah, yeah, but came down in like free fall. So we're not
supposed to ask all I've even heard, even Dan Buddy, I'll tell you,
yeah, tweat them out that thing. Yeah, I would for people
that understand exactly what free fall means. That building did not come down in
free fall. Came down. It's none of the bins, and it was
fourty seven stories. Yeah, it's not precisely at free fall speed. It's
very near it, but it's not precisely at free fall speed that I've been
over with people. If you'll give you an example, this is a perfect
example of free fall. As the towers collapsed and you see the aluminum cladding
flying off the side, and you see the rubble debris and the huge balls
of dust that are falling out from the building, that is free fall.
Those items fell, they reached terminal velocity as they fell, except for some
things didn't because of the wind resistance against them. Well, in building,
none of the buildings fell at free fall speed, well one of them,
and one of the buildings did not fall one of the buildings. The two
towers did not fall straight down either, because if you examine the footage carefully,
you can see the top I don't know how many floors actually literally fall
to the side corrects it and then the rest of it it actually corrects itself.
Well, but that's what happens. What happens is then the rest of
the building starts to go down. This part, which is leaning out in
one direction kind of goes back on top of the rest of it and goes
down with it, which is really a bizarre looking thing. I don't know
if that is what it looks like. It should have continued and yeah,
I don't know that when that's started to twist and fall. There was still
a corner of it connected, and that's why you see the twist where it
starts to go over, and then as the floor's bolt where it's connected start
falling again, it seems to correct itself. But they didn't fall in their
own footprint. How many blocks had debris surrounding that entire complex? I mean,
it was the devastation and the debris was so wide and fall it fell,
and it's all the footprint. No, none of the buildings fell in
their own footprint. They went everywhere. See. Now, I've always tried
to tell every nine to eleven skeptic that that is one of the false statements
that when they say it fell in their footprints, any of them did,
they're lying because it went for blocks and blocks the debris we're not talking and
these are city blocks. Okay, this is not This is not something where
it fell in its footprint. It No, it did not do that.
None of the none of those three buildings did that. I know. This
Another big thing that I hear is you know the steel in the in the
building. And I got into this with one of Fetzer's crowd where they were
talking about this massive steel structure. It wasn't a massive steel structure. It
was basically a tube inside of a tube with a cap block on it.
And when that top section fell, that's what took the resistance off and stuff
started slinging everywhere. And when you put metal under tension, yes, you
can get a spring effect in it. It happened all the time in building
buildings when something's not lined up and when it's not racked properly as they call
it. Well, you can get a lot of anomalies in metal just from
twisting it and the amount of pressure that's put on in certain places. But
the things that I hear from the steel at the top of the building was
how can an airplane pierce this? The aluminum that was used in the airplanes
that went into those buildings actually had a higher tensile strength in the aluminum that
they line those the wings and the fuselage whist than the steel in the building.
It had a much higher tensile string VP. Can I ask you for
something, had Can I ask you what you see that I need to ask
you? Do you believe that there was any kind of explosives in the building.
That's all I want to know now, not that brought it down.
Well, look about this thing I was talking about where where you see the
top of the building twist away and it looks like it's going to fall over,
and then it pulls itsel back. The idea that it is still connected
to that building and was probably just pulled down by the sheer force of the
rest of the collapse makes sense. But it is the weirdest looking thing.
I mean, it just it doesn't make common sense to you if you're imagining
this. But the debris field, the way that this was sprayed around,
as I've tried to explain, if you take a look at the dust going
across the river and going into New Jersey, that's a hell of a spray
from the dust. But there are solid, huge chunks of this that are
flying for blocks. Okay, don't care what anybody tells you. That debris
field was not in its own footprint, not even remotely. None of those
buildings were. That debris was spread there for weeks because even at the time
that I could get on the island much later, the devastation was immense,
and it was it was widespread. They didn't fall on their own footprint.
I've always objected to that it might have looked like that on TV because they
didn't run the cameras down the block for you too much. All right,
but if they would have, you would have seen pieces of those buildings shot
into what looks like they were shot into other buildings blocks away. Okay,
well sorry, what was that? The tops? Okay, BP, go
first, and then and then Harlan, Sorry, go ahead, BP.
The tops of those buildings were roughly a fifth of a mile high. They
were over a thousand feet. You take anything dropping a thousand feet with that
kind of weight and the amount of damage it does and grinding it all up,
I mean, I don't. Chris asked a question about explosives. Yeah,
there may have been explosives in the building. There may have been explosive
somewhere in the building. But the explosives didn't bring those buildings down. There's
no proof of explosives bringing those buildings down. None. Well, again,
it is about the New York firefighter oral history. So most of them say
they hear these explosions going on. Are they hear all right, they're hearing
an explosion a sound that they described as an explosion. Are they hearing equipment
failures? Are they hearing stuff falling from one floor to the next. Are
they hearing things that have overheated or things that are burning because the sprinkler system
was knocked out that they couldn't put out fires and suddenly explode. Yeah,
they heard explosions. But you're going to hear that in the building that's on
fire over multiple floors and suddenly starts collapsing, You're gonna hear explosions. Here's
another question. Yeah, here's another interesting question about that about the loud sounds
is does anybody know what it sounds like when a steel beam is snapped?
Because various steel beams were certainly snapped, Okay during this event, those I
would imagine make a loud noise. I'm just saying, and this is me
using my imagination. Explosions, beams splitting, I understand, But do you
know what it sounds like when a huge steel hood is probably know the difference?
Well? Do they How often do they hear how often do they hear
steel beams breaking? And how often have they been near something like that?
See, that's the other thing. Oral histories gets you a little bit crazy
because the false memory. No, no, no, no, I'm not
doing false memories. Stop. You're arguing with me before I even finish.
When you look at what went on with the Pentagon, right, and you
take a look at the guys working at Arlington Cemetery, you can't even line
up the airplanes with the official explanation remotely with what some of these guys are
saying what they saw. And they work there every day. They know the
directions that they're standing in. They know what direction they saw a plane come
in based on landmarks that they see every day. It came over this building
and went that way. It doesn't match the data. It's I'm just saying
that. You look, you can say the data's false. You can say
the guy's memories false. Something's wrong. So when you go into oral histories,
what is it that they're describing. I don't know how often does a
New York City firefighters see a building collapse like that? Well, as I
said before, I don't think of building ever collapsed like that before, So
nobody has ever seen or heard that before. This is a new thing.
I'm not saying you're wrong, Chris. I'm just saying that these are the
questions, right, These are the fair questions. That's all I want to
make a point of this. All right, well, look, I'm going
to close this out pretty soon, but go ahead, ma, answer.
And just in my study and on the construction of the building, the towers,
the core of the building was a very robust structure. And and I
don't remember seeing any pictures of any beams that were snapped. I've seen that
they got the one they got in the museum just like bent around another,
you know something. You know, it looks like ben But I do have
pictures on my phone of those beams with two firemen sitting on the edge of
one and and in the background and on the one they're sitting they are cut
on a diagonal. Okay, you know they're they're six and eight inches thick
and box beams and they're cut diagonally. So you know, I don't know
how that happened, but there are pictures of it. Yeah. No,
how those beams were cut diagonally is a very good question. Uh, And
I think it is a fair one. You know, how do you end
up with that? But look, I'm just saying that they that those beams
ended up in various conditions when they were hauling them away. You know,
it doesn't boil down to just the one twisted one they got in the museum,
right, It boils down to there there was a whole lot of that
stuff being hauled away in quick time. They were trying to clear that area.
And you know there there's that interesting piece of it too, is why
are we clearing the crime scene in the way that they did with the GPS
on in the trucks and everything. Yeah, well, you know I would
put GPS in all those trucks to make sure somebody doesn't abscond with some of
this stuff, because you know, you never know what people are willing to
walk away with tawas that that's not with conspiracy of their careers. You know
what I'm saying is they put it they if one of these truck drivers even
pulled over for two minutes, they would have cops like on the scene,
and they want to know why they just stopped. I gant he uses a
heavily guarded stuff, and it's not just oh they're just gonna steal the metal.
None of that metal got to be tested properly. Even the Firefighters Official
magazine were complaining in January two thousand and two, they were complaining that Juliani's
just shipping this off to be recycled in China. Even the people that developed
the World Trade Center, they were mystified of why the buildings came down.
That's what upsets me is the guys who built the thing didn't even know why
they came down. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute.
There was It wouldn't have been it. There was an interview with the
guy that did the actual designs and when they designed that building. He said,
yes, we designed it for to take a hit. It was a
smaller plane that we used in the modeling for seven o field. Building stood
for almost an hour after they were hit, before they were before they collapsed.
So people say that they automatically, you know, fell, That's not
true. They did what was designed. They stood long enough to basically evacuate
the buildings. Now, granted, some people didn't get out because of the
type of damage done when the planes hit them and cutting in off access to
lower floors, but the building actually did was it was designed to do,
and that was sustained the impact long enough to get the people out of the
building. I can, I'll have to go and get the link for the
interview, but no the guys that actually designed that building and built it were
not dumbfounded as to watch. I will find those those articles now, because
yeah, they were almost the guy that you're talking about, actually he died
in the World Trade Center because it was in the beginning of two thousand and
one. He said it was like a pencil going through mosquito netting on a
screen door. Well, bring why you're talking about. But the people that
were so alive, they were mystified of the buildings should not have come down.
Well, I know that there was a mixed result among people who had
worked on the original building as far as what they said, And some of
them said exactly what Pepete said is that this building did basically what it was
supposed to do by staying standing after the initial strikes. And I know that
there were others who said, and use that mosquito netting thing. Now,
I'd love to take a look at all this stuff again because I haven't looked
at it in many years. I gotta be honest. Well, and the
guy he's talking about is the one that said about depends on the mosquito netting.
Well, fine, you know what you do. Bring Let this how
they eat to wait a minute. If he died in the building, how
did they interview him after the building because the interview was from January at two
thousand and one. Okay, no, no, no, no, no
no no no no. Okay, the gentleman gave an interview about the fact
of the building coming down and said, the building did what it was designed
to do. Now, how could he explain that it it did what it
was designed to do if he was dead? But I'm talking about right,
Here's what I would like. Here's what I would like you guys to do,
is, uh, go ahead, and each of you send me the
links this week to what it is you're talking about, and let's kick off
next week's show exactly with this and uh, and go through it and see
exactly what it is you guys each have. I want to see these interviews
and we'll play pieces of them right here on the show. How does that
sound? Does that sound like a fair deal? And go through it ourselves
and read from if we got to read it the text. If it's text,
I'll read it. If it's an audio or video, I'll play it.
How about that? Is that a fair thing? I do? Got
jump in and well, yeah, but I want to know from Bpete,
what do you think it would that be cool with you if we brought the
links and stuff next week and started off the show with that, let's compare
these two things. That's that's gonna be a very contentious show. I'll go
ahead and tell you now. Maybe so, but I okay, bring it.
It's all over and done with. Let's move on. I well,
I don't want to do that. I would rather bring this on and play
this ship. Explain that comment right there? He won, he won one?
What did I win? Well, you're send me this stuff and I'll
do it. Chris, you don't even got to do it. Send me
the stuff. I'll do it, all right, I'll go through it.
Just send me the stuff, that's all. And I'll compare and play these
things, and I'll let anybody who wants to call in comment about them,
all right, and if it's text, i'll read it. Is that not
fair enough? You don't even got to do it. I'll do it,
okay. I'll take the take all of what it is. You guys,
send me, both of you. Send me the links to these things,
these interviews with the people that constructed it. Because my memory tells me that
there is some version of this story that will emerge if we play and observe
both of these things, and we'll get it straight. So I don't recall
exactly. I'm on the side of in my mind thinking that Chris is right
and there was one guy debunking this that was part of the people that were
part of the original construction effort. But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
I want to go over it and take a listen to it, take
a look at it, play pieces of the interview, and see what it
says. Let's take a look at what has been memorialized and see what we
can make of it. I think that's the only fair way to look at
it. So I'll do that next week. And Chris, you don't even
gotta come. Just send me the stuff, send me the best stuff you
got on this particular issue, and let me go through it and let me
play it and let me see what we got. Okay, that's what I'll
do. I'll make it as easy as possible, and I'm not gonna yell
at anybody. I'm not gonna fight with anybody. I'm just gonna sit there
and go through the evidence because it's not about anything personal. It's about the
evidence is debunker thing. It's like if you're married to a certain side,
I'm not married to any side. It's just very frustrating. After twenty something
years, it's like, you gotta keep that I understand. Listen, you
think I don't understand that. I've been through this so many times where I've
got to sit there and tell somebody a hundred times that no, you're wrong
about that particular. You're literally incorrect about this. Here's why. I show
them why. And it doesn't matter. That happens to me all the time.
But I'm not saying that that's happening in this case. I'm saying open
mindedly that I would like to go and compare these things and see what we
can get out of it. So let's put together those interviews. Let's see
what the original construction people that each of you guys says. You have a
recollection of making these statements. Let's go through the statements and see what they
say. The earlier you send it to me, the better chance I'll have
of being able to go over and ahead of time so I know what to
play. I can record stuff, I can get clips together and make sure
that we get it straight and we can answer this question. That's what I
think is fair. Anyway, Harland, you said you wanted to add something
in. Yeah, yeah, there's several points I'd like to go down the
list here, you know, that birthday, such as the stuff that Chris
has been sitting here saying I've sawed the same And like I said, you
know earlier, I've seen some of the craziest ship of course, you know
when they was all kinds of series. I mean just you know, just
a lot of crazy and a lot of stuff that Chris is I'm saying I've
seen the same. So it is basically, you know, it's it's gospel
in the theories zone, if you will. A lot of the stuff you
know Chris and the things about barging and you know another name, Lavi's Lewis
Rodriguez. Isn't Chris, guy that went up to save the people when you
chearing everything, that's William Rodriguez. But go ahead, William Rodriguez. Yeah,
well, uh, something else I want? Okay, Jesse vent curious
he made a big deal with my sermoid. You know, the sermi came,
you know, in the early two thousand and tens. You was seeing
out a lot. You start mains. There was the place in Nebraska that
had a piece allegedly it was a piece of one of the Ivans, out
of the one of the twins hours and he had been there for several years
and it you know, when Jesse want to talking about that, I was
a sudden it just wasn't bared. I noticed, you know, coming through
one that that was something that kind of true. And one of the reason
I know, you know Venturi, you know, he he's you know,
tiding like a dollar, you know, and everything, and I'm sure some
of that stuff. No he bleed face, but you know it was,
you know, a monitory if I do this show when I've heard that,
and I understand that. But you know, like you know, danced Christmas
saying about the diagonal cuts. I owned the meddle as you know, well
they had a chance to go in doing anything cutting any meddle up. You
know, some of the pictures has got George Bush in them, and then
cutting the diagonal didn't look like, you know, had been hit with a
blasma cutter like some of the furmounts up to Maybe that's just hard to go.
I mean there's a lot more, you know, I can say about
it, but I know that you know, I don't happen, and you
know far at the point about building themselves, it is pretty much you know
these days is like what Chuck was saying. A lot of people you know,
have filed over that. You know, they just went in there just
to suck. If we got a grigs and we can't take a change smation,
they can get something and here again, as far as they inside job,
you know, part goes, I understand that. But everybody in the
federal government and local and state government was not going to be in those so
I would say that's birth wise. Well, if they just went ahead and
just pulled it in Larry Silverstein said, you know in an interview that they
decided to pull it because they've been so much losses, bad interviews out there.
It's not hard to find. There's a lot of Jimmy said something earlier.
Now he didn't know a lot about this, the Building seven stuff.
A lot of people accept that that he wasn't. You know, accouch got
on far in a couple of foucas. But you know, the best way
really, you know, for anybody out there to understand any of this.
It's not that well read into it. There's many documentaries you know, still
here and there on YouTube. You've got a search for them. The right
way. You can look on Rumble. I've seen a lot on bitch Hut.
And the only way you can fully come to, like to the conclusions
that you know Christmas talking about, is you have got to watch hours and
hours listen. Then you've got to figure out what complete bullshit You've got to
learn to be able to discern through a lot of this stuff, and some
of these movies is gonna have a lot of facts out the bullshit, you
know, or stuff after our war, some foreign lady is saying nobody died.
You'll see stuff like that. You may still be able to found them.
The new Gimmick and the basement with the Russian I'm sure where Chris has
probably heard of that. But at the end of the day, you have
to look feel a lot of this shit to kind of get a grasp of,
you know, the provisional story. Don't sounding I'm not saying George Bush
was over here with his you know, flow him on the button. But
one more thing I'd like to ask, you know, how to all this,
people can say conspiracy, this gonna happened, that could happen. There's
one thing for sure that we could find out about Smalls. They wanted to
snow, and that's what happened at the mini cameras. There's no excuse.
You know, I've seen the little smile plane snippets to come out back here.
What was it, Chris, six or seven years ago? Maybe eight?
Oh, the handful of friends, you know, yeah, the five
friends at the kind of guy knows a suspect too. But that's a whole
of the thing. For a long time, you know, it was like
this one of word looked like a smaller plane, the pentagonal unofficially released thoughs.
By the way, look, there's also a thing that in the chat
here. I just put that last link there if you want to open there,
Okay, I'll I'll get to that, and believe me, we're gonna
get to this again next week because we're we're really over our time. But
that one last link, man, I'm telling you, it's powerful stuff.
Okay, I believe you, and we're gonna get to it. I assure
you. I'm gonna look at all the stuff you guys send me and We're
gonna go through it. The last link right now, like just that one
link, dude, that's it. We're talking about next week. Okay,
let's see explosion planted in towers. Okay, look, I can't read this
right now, all right, I'm just telling you, but but I will,
all right, and we'll go through it. As far as the Pentagon
goes. The one thing that's always been suspect to me is as follows.
I find it impossible to believe that there wasn't enough surveillance on the Pentagon to
adequately know instantaneously what happened, really, because it may zero sense to me.
There was plenty of surveillance in the area. There was plenty of surveillance.
I mean, you mean, I think all the cameras were cut truck
they weren't working. There wasn't overlapping uh surveillance on the Pentagon enough to account
for this. If that's the case, you know, uh, you know,
BP, here's here's where we go with. You know, how stupid
are the people at the switch If that's the case, you mean to tell
me that that's not the most monitored building, Like I don't know in America,
I would think it would be one of the most monitored buildings in America,
the Pentagon. I have another amateur question, is that the plane that
now I know, the crazy Dick Chaney gave bl Okay somehow to shoot down
some plane, Is that the one that ended that? No, that's the
one, the one hang out, the one that that that went down in
Pennsylvania is the one that some people say was shot down. I don't know
what to make of that either. That's the Shanksville, Pennsylvania thing, where
you know, you have a widespread debris field and according to many accounts,
there is not enough to account for that whole plane in the debris field the
way they describe this thing hitting the ground and everything else, which, by
the way, is very interesting because Hollywood created a Flight ninety three movie,
and a whole lot of people take that movie as gospel because it's based on
the real events, etc. And it's based on really good information that came
from this or that or third thing. But what's fascinating is just by default
you realize then a whole lot of what's depicted in there, whether you're trying
to figure out what the color was of the you know, the scarves,
the guys tied around their heads. In that movie, they all tie red
scarves around their heads at a certain point. You know, headbands like these
weird like it's almost like karate kid looking headbands they all put on. I
don't remember that being in anybody's account. I don't think it was accounted for.
I think a lot of it was generated to fill in the story,
and that's what occurred there in Hollywood. Now, as far as did they
do that in the official explanation, clearly, I think they did. I
think lacking information in certain spots, some people filled in information because maybe they
didn't have high enough clearance to see everything. That was an issue. That
was an issue during the commission, And do we know the answers. I
don't think that we were adequately given the answers as to what occurred that day,
but it's certainly reshaped our reality going forward. So anyway, the Ocel
effect is done for this week. Got a little bit contentious here at the
end, but it is what it is. I'm happy to do this and
happy that you guys could be along with us. I hope that we'll accomplish
something again next week with it, and we'll see where it all goes anyway
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