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The weird Things happened in the Weird
Weird Weird. Wow. Welcome to episode

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one hundred and thirty two. Isn't
that wild? Whoooo? Yeah, one

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hundred and thirty two. That's insane
further than I mean, the number sounds

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right, but in my head,
I'm like, damn, like, have

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we done that? I felt like
we were just at one twenty. Yeah.

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Yeah, I feel like that too. It's insane. So we've talked

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about a lot of topics over the
last we're approaching three years of doing the

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podcast, which is downright insane amazing. You know, it's like we always

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knew we were gonna keep doing this, but then when you actually hit these

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milestones, it's like, dang,
I never thought i'd get this far,

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but I did, you know?
Yeah, I mean, I don't know,

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I just me personally. I feel
like before doing this, I was

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like the guy that would like start
a million projects and finish none of them.

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So there was always a little thing
in the little back of my head,

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well at least towards the beginning back
of my head, like, man,

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we actually follow through and like I
hope we keep doing this thing,

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and like because this is just too
cool. To stop doing. But like

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once we got in a groove,
there was just no question. It was

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just like, oh, this is
it, Like we ain't stopping this,

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Like no way, it's insane.
Man. It gives me life for sure.

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Yeah, it's it is. It's
a breeze to keep this going.

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It's like it's invigorating and like it
gives me life, Like I love it

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absolutely. Man. A little bit, and we've talked about obviously one hundred

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and thirty two different topics, you
know, and earlier in the show we

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kind of started getting into a lot
of diverse topics, and as of recently,

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we've been sort of trying to narrow
down some of these topics and dial

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in on specific things and try to
flesh them out more and shout out to

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our BSS mothership, discord supporters,
our Patreon Tier one perk. You know,

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we had this amazing Discord community.
And for the first time, I

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think it was last week or the
week before rather, I was just scrolling

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through and I saw a suggestion somebody
in there I can't even remember who.

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I apologize, but somebody in there
said, you guys should do an episode

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like just generally talking about the history
of the Bible. And maybe it was

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Jenny, maybe it was one of
you guys. It wasn't me, but

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one of you three was like,
that's a really good idea, and I

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was like, heck, yeah,
I would love to do that. Like

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I never thought like that. I
always thought in my head, like I've

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talked about some of this stuff in
episodes previously, but we've never like sat

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down and dedicated an episode too.
Yeah to like explaining the history of the

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Bible. And I want to say, like, for a lot of people

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listening, if you think this topic
is unnecessary or it's boring, you have

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to you have to understand, like
we are in a subject matter here of

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exploring spirituality, the occult, the
hidden mysteries of the universe, you know,

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the beings, the phenomenon and all
this stuff. And you have to

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remember, despite whatever you believe or
you think about the Bible or Judaism or

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Christianity, it doesn't really matter because
at the end of the day, that

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is the background of the majority of
the world. If you're talking about Judaism,

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Christianity and then you have Islam,
that's like billions of billion. I

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mean, you could imagine you go
into any room if there's one hundred people

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in there, at least forty percent
of them we're raised or have a background

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in Christianity. It's a diverse topic
that affects many many people, whether you

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have that viewpoint or not. So
I would just ask that you would,

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you know, kind of expand your
viewpoint a little bit. This is not

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going to be the kind of thing
where we're talking about, you know,

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like a church session talking about the
figures of the Bible and getting deep into

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the stories. This is more so
like the kind of subjects you have in

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college or academic situations where you're talking
about like the actual literal historical formation of

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the texts and how they were disseminated
to the world. So this isn't going

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to be some churchy kind of thing. It's more so about history. Yeah,

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you know, the Bible's kind of
like a collection of allegories and it's

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symbolic and it's not meant to be
like a concrete historical document. It's you

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know, it was there were things
that were changed, and there were things

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that don't exactly add up with the
history, and so learning the real history.

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While some people might feel like oh
well that you know, that might

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discredit what the It's not about that. It's about like shining light on the

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truth, the truth of the history, like the actual recorded history right of

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how this all came together. And
there's importance in that. There's a lot

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of importance in that. So the
main reason I wanted to talk about this

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was because, you know, especially
us two, coming from like really strict

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Christian backgrounds, I just wanted to
talk a little bit about the like belief

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towards the Bible from a fundamental Christian
perspective and why I think this kind of

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topic of conversation is valuable. So, like you know, in my experience

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growing up in the Pentecostal Church,
the thing that was taught is that every

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word of the Bible is infallibly literal. Like there was literally, I'm saying,

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we literally were taught that the earth
is six thousand years old because somewhere

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in the sixteen hundred some archbishop decided
that, you know, if you sit

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down and you look in the Book
of Genesis where it talks about all the

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ancestors leading up back to Adam,
and you count the number of years they

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were alive, and then you trace
it to Jesus, which was two thousands

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years ago, they're like, oh
wow, we're Earth is six thousand years

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old, you know. And it's
like these kinds of things exist where someone

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a long time ago said like this
is the truth, and all these years

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later, we're still having this,
like we're having this kind of like fantastic

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stick view of the Bible as this
like perfect literal text that contains all the

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secrets of the universe. And my
perspective is like when you look at the

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history of it and how it came
together, it demystifies a lot of that

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and you realize, like, I
think a large majority of the events that

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happened in the Bible truly did happen. I think that a lot of the

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elements of the Bible are true.
But when you understand how the system or

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the religious doctrines and protocols were put
into place by certain rulings and proceedings by

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different emperors and etcetera, etcetera,
you start to say, well, maybe

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I can look at you know,
the Bible is not necessarily a completely perfect

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text, but rather a good guide. Absolutely, you know what I mean,

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It's a guide. It's yes,
absolutely, it's interesting. And this

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might shock you a little bit but
just like a few days ago, my

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brother and I had like a two
hour long conversation about this wow, which

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is like, you know, he
doesn't really talk about like deep stuff a

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whole lot. He's he's just like
simple day to day like you know whatever.

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We had a long time. He
was basically just talking to me about

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like, man, some some stuff
doesn't add up to me. Like,

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you know, I feel bad saying
that. You know. He kind of

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said that you're not supposed to question
exactly. He's like, but you know,

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I always felt like if these preachers
and priests and stuff are telling me

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this stuff and they're like supposed to
be close with God and understand God,

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than it like I'm supposed to take
it as true, right, But stuff

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wasn't matching up to me, and
so I think that things things might have

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been changed. And I was like, oh, bro, And two hours

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later we were deep in the convo. Yeah, we're having like conventions and

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you know the three hundreds and and
beyond where they're like, I don't like

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these books. Let's let's conclude these
books. You know, there's there's there's

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there's only sixty six books in the
Bible out of way, way more,

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yeah, way more that we're actually
written at the time by all the same

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people, by the same groups of
people and temple priests and mystics and YadA,

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YadA, YadA, And it's like, but we're only supposed to accept

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that only these sixty six books from
a you know, from a genuine Christian

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perspective, they're supposed to be the
only true books like in the universe.

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Right. That doesn't quite add up. That's that's that's not quite that's not

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quite open minded enough for me.
So I just wanted to talk about a

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little bit of the history. So
when you think about the Bible, and

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when you think about like the beginning
of the Bible, you think Genesis,

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right obviously, So when you talk
about like the Old Testament and Judaism,

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it's known as the Torah, that's
there. That's their like their main texts.

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And then you have obviously like the
all the like the we talked about

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this in the Kabala episode. You
have their like mystical texts that are a

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little more secretive a lot more yeah, yeah, cabalistic texts and the chariot

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texts and all that stuff. And
then you have other talmud too, and

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that's a very complicated text. So
when you think of the Bible, you

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think of the Old Testament and the
New Testament, and then when you break

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up the Torah a little more,
you have what's known as the Pentateuk,

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which is the first five books.
Now, the belief from a Christian perspective,

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meaning you go to church and you're
just like, you know, you're

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you're not really learning about the Bible, You're just going to church, right,

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Yeah, Mostly the common perspective,
right, sure, it's that the

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name on the text is actually the
author, right, right, right.

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The belief is that Okay, Moses
wrote this text. Oh, this is

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the Book of John, the Gospel
of John. John wrote this text.

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Yeah, that's not the case.
Yeah. And and there are some books

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where if you just pay a little
bit of close attention, it's obvious like

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Paul, like Paul is letters sent
to Paul or like letter you know what

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I mean, Like it's not him
writing it, right, it's a collection

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of letters. Right. So there's
a split in like the academic community over

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which of these biblical texts was actually
the first one to be written. You

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could say most believe that it was
Genesis. It's the earliest story. It's

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dated. Let me see when Genesis
was dated. It was I have it

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written down somewhere. You mean,
like when it is thought to have been

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written written gotcha, around fourteen fifty
BC to fourteen hundred BC. We're talking

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like three and a half thousand years
ago. This text was written pretty old,

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yeah, but not as old as
oh Eastern like, well, no,

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what I'm saying is like not as
old as like, you know,

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we're supposed to believe that these characters
wrote these ds. We're supposed to believe

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that Genesis was written all the way
back at the beginning that you know,

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the beginning in biblical lore would be
six thousand years ago. Bah. Yeah,

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But the reality of the situation is
many thousands of years. Even if

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these events were true, after they
happen, these these these conversations, these

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stories, they were passed orally until
eventually they were written down on scrolls,

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most likely by no name people who's
whose identity will never be known throughout history.

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Now, we can't prove that Moses
actually wrote these texts, and yet

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that's what is taught, that's what
is accepted in you know, like the

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church community. So there's a split
between which of these texts was actually written

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first, Was it Genesis or was
it actually a text that comes much later

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in the canon. The Book of
Job, So Job is really cool.

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Job is for those who don't know, Job is the story of this very

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devout, loyal man named Job.
He's devout to God. And it's like

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an allegory. It's it's a situation
where Satan and God are having a conversation

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and they make a bet, and
Satan is like, I bet that if

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you allow me to basically towards this
man, right they he'll curse you.

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And God is like, well,
I bet he'll never curse me. And

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they actually wager over the state of
this mortal kind of like Greek mythology,

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you know. And Job the god
is like, the only rule is you

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can't kill him. You can do
anything else, you just can't kill Job.

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You can kill his family, you
can kill us, anything else you

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can harm him, you cannot kill
him. So as the story goes,

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Satan kills his wife, his children, all of his live stock, makes

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him completely and famine, completely poor, completely just destitute, puts boils all

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over his body where he can barely
even sit down or lay down in comfort.

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And he's completely miserable. He never
curses God. So then as the

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story goes, you know, he's
blessed ten times. He comes back even

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richer, He gets another wife,
he has ten children, he has way

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more cattle, way more you know, all this stuff, and it's like

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the moral of this story is faith. Yeah, exactly, like it never

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turn your back on God, have
faith, and you know you'll be rewarded

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ten times. So that's very cool. It's an old story and there's a

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case for both. There's a split
over which one was written first. I

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thought this was cool. So let's
see. Until the late nineteenth century,

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the consensus view of biblical scholars was
that Moses wrote the Pentatuke. Again that's

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the first five books of the Bible. The church father Jerome in three hundred

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ish AD suggested that Ezra the Priest
actually wrote the Pentateuch in the fifth century

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BC, based on notes made by
Moses. So they're talking a few hundred

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years before year zero. Maybe the
Pentituke was actually written. So there's there's

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this huge mystery about when were these
texts actually written, and yet people are

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going around teaching like, no,
no, it was written by Moses.

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It was written by Abraham. It
was written by blah blah, blah blah

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blah. No, no it wasn't. We don't know. The timeline doesn't

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even match up. Yeah, we
really don't know. So there's a case

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for and against Job being the first
written text. The case against Job saying

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that it would be Genesis is Some
will point out that Job appears to record

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events that took place before the existence
of Moses. Based on like a historical

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and literary analysis, it's thought by
many to be the actual oldest text of

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the surviving Bible canon. However,
the theological emphases of the Book of Job

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seem to indicate the concerns that the
book is addressing are much later, perhaps

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from the Exilic period, whereas the
Israelites were in exile and is addressed to

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Israelites. So while the book may
contain information about events that happened long before,

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the book seems to have been written
much later than Genesis and the final

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analysis, Genesis certainly contains the oldest
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Moses, who was the first prophet
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so it'd probably be accurate to see
Genesis or perhaps the Pentitud because a

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unit to be the oldest book of
the Bible. That's the case against Job,

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the case for Job being the first
text. I just thought this was

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super fascinating. I never knew that
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age of the Book of Job can
also be And what is noticeably missing from

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the book. There are no mentions
of the Covenant, which we know the

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covenant is like what Moses brought down
on the tablets, the Law of Moses,

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or the priesthood. There are no
mentions of the Israelite people or the

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Promised Land. Instead, Job offers
sacrifices himself for his sons without the use

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of a priesthood, temple or consecrated
altar. His wealth is measured by the

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size of his herds in the amount
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Both herds and silver were used as
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and seventeen hundred BCE. The names
of Job's sons were also uncommon in later

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time periods, but were common before
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Exactly when the Book of Job was
written remains something of a mystery, but

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there's no doubt it can be considered
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the early chapters of Genesis cover events
that happened before Job, the actual written

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accounts of those events were not recorded
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been composed. Fact, it's believed
that the Book of Job is actually four

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hundred years older than Genesis. This
means is Job is not only the sole

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drama and the Bible, but also
the oldest book by far, and of

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course the more fascinating for it.
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this book Genesis said at the very
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of the universe, and yet we
have stories that exist later in the canon

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that might have actually been written before
it, almost half a century before that

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text. If that's even possible,
If that's true, that should already flip

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what we know about the Bible on
its head. You know, the idea

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that we have no clue how this
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Obviously, I'm just saying, you
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we have no idea. We don't
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the authenticity of these texts and yet
we're supposed to believe and accept every single

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word of it is true. Yeah, and like check this out, like

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from what we know about Moses,
right, so if he wrote the pig

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to the first five books of the
Bible? Was was Moses like a scholar?

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Was he like a well studied scholar? Because I bring that up because

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uh, people may not know the
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New Testament, the Old Oh that's
right, Ara, which is a dead

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language now it is right, so
it's but still even still the timeline of

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when Moses was alive, it just
it doesn't add up. No, it

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doesn't. And actually I didn't want
to go down this rabbit hole super far

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today because it's not about that.
But there is a pretty widespread belief that

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Moses might not have been a genuine
real person, but that he may have

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been actin there's an idea that that
Moses may actually have been at and you

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know, if you think about that, that's really crazy if you study.

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Okay, there's several books with Moses, so I don't know them all the

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top of my head. Which story
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there's really a lot, you know, And so that would insinuate he's Egyptian.

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Mm hmm, well then how would
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you know, you know what I'm
saying, It's like, that's that's

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but go ahead. Sorry, So
if you know the story in I don't

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know if it's numbers or if it's
I really don't know, but it's one

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of the main Moses stories where he's
bringing the ten plagues on the Egyptian people

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to like free the Israelite slaves,
you know. And in the Bible it

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talks about how there were these plagues
and they are getting worse with each iteration

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of the plagues until finally I think
it's the tenth plague, and it's like

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the sun blackens and the day becomes
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everybody can behold, you know,
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And it says in the Bible and
the Egyptians were converted, for they knew

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that there had to be one God, like when they when they witnessed the

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plagues and the devastation of the Israelite
people, they were converted into the belief

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in one God. Well, we
know in real human history that the pharaoh

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Akonatin actually did come in to reign
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in worship of one God. Woa
that there is a lot, Like we

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have this biblical claim that the Egyptians
changed their belief to be one God,

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but we know around a similar time
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the pharaoh Akonoky. He changed their
entire religion, and eventually when they did

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away with him, they went back
to the older Egyptian system. Let me

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see when Aconatin lived. That'd be
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you could surmise also, like if
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have been Egyptian whatever it could have
been. This story was transposed into Aramaic

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and they just assigned kind of like
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onto this character just for the purposes
of like using a Hebrew name. Uh

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So, I mean, I don't
know that that's pretty fishy though, that

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those two events line up in such
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reign was between thirteen fifty three to
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says thirteen fifty one to thirteen thirty
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different times there. And eventually he
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means Amun is satisfied, or as
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Amun or if it was a ten. Yeah, it's a ten so Akanatin,

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which yeah, also the name Auten
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to the worship of the sun god
Aten, which is like a similar It's

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similar to raw. It's like the
idea that there's this one supreme being.

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It's the mystery shit, you know, like you know, so anyway,

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we don't even know if Moses as
he is understood to be is what we

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understand him to be, right,
you know what I'm saying, so already

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right there, it's like, you
know, it gets dicey with going so

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far back in history. But yeah, so I thought that was pretty cool

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that Moses and Notkonahan think. So
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about ancient Egypt as well. This
is like the original mystery tradition, the

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original like the kind of the dawn
of spirituality if you will, Like in

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the most ancient of times, I
mean the Eastern you know, they had

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their stuff going on, but Egyptian, like that stuff goes so far back.

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I believe that the wisdom traditions believed
that the spirit of It's like the

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idea is that you know, you
had Atlantis and then it fell, and

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you could imagine like a spirit of
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to say, like the earth has actual

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like Kundalini or chakra centers that when
they're really active at certain you know ages

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in history, that the knowledge is
there, which at one point it was

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Atlantis, and then they say,
at one point it was Egypt, and

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then at one point it was Tibet, which is where we get all this

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Tibetan mysticism. Yeah, super cool
stuff. Yeah, but most people don't

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know this. But for let me
see here six about sixty years Israel was

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enslaved by Babylon, by Nebukonezer.
And so when you look at Jewish history,

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like actually for really large portions of
time they were like enslaved by other

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nations. Like it's pretty brutal history
there. They were captured by Babylon.

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And what most people don't know is
the majority of the Old Testament as scholars

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today understand it, these texts were
written by Jewish mystics while they were in

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Babylon. So wow, So they're
in Babylon like as prisoners, slaves,

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whatever, and they're learning about the
Babylonian culture, their myth, ritual,

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mystery system, whatever, and they're
ooh, that's a good idea. Copy

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it down, put it into this, you know, canon the religion of

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this, like you could say like
pre Christian like the Judaic system, pre

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Christianity. Israelites were nomadic people.
They never settled into one nation for like

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hundreds of years, and every time
they did, they would get sacked and

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thrown out by some ruler, whether
it was the Greeks or the Romans,

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or the Babylonians or the Egyptians or
whatever. They were constantly being dominated by

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these other countries. They didn't have, like you know, for very long

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periods of time. They're one place
of origin. They were like nomads,

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right, and they're going to all
these different countries and they're learning things from

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their systems as well, and it's
making it like we know, for a

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fact, any level of like intro
to religion one oh one. I don't

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care what university is, You're going
to learn about how Judaism never even had

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like a true system of heaven or
hell until you know they met with this

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Zoroastrian system. Things like that.
You know, like other systems are bleeding

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into their their texts. So the
majority of these Old Testament texts were written

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while they were in captivity by nebuconets
are in Babylon right. And then,

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which is funny because we talked about
that on the Dragon's episode, which I

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guess is going to come out next
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Yeah, And it goes so far
like that was a pretty cool connection there.

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Where in the Babylonian myth system you
have this cosmic dragon Tiamot who's created

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in the beginning, and then you
know this this son of the god Marduke

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or you could say he's a god
too, slays the dragon and then you

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know reality is formed or whatever,
and then you have you were talking about

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the Biblical story of the dragon Leviathan
being created at the beginning of the universe

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and then slain on Judgment Day.
You have like similar myth systems here you

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know, you have this idea that
you know, before there was a Jesus

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in a Mary, you had Nimrod
and Tamus in the Babylonian system. There's

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all these different parallels between Judaism,
Christianity, and these older traditions that we

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know that they were first hand exposed
to. Whether it's from war, captivity,

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you know, their cultures are mixing, whatever. So the Babylonian Captivity

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occurred when the Jewish people faced exile
from Israel, being forced to leave Judah.

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They lived in Babylon between five hundred
and ninety seven BCE and five hundred

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and thirty eight BCE. This captivity
lasted until they were freed by the Persian

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leader Cyrus the Great. The majority
of Biblical scholars believe that the written books

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were a product of this Babylonian captivity, which occurred in the sixth century BCE,

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based on earlier written sources and oral
traditions, and that it was completed

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with final revisions during the post Exilic
period in the fifth century BCE. The

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Jews at the time would have been
learning from the Babylonia Mystery religion and copying

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ideas and to their texts until being
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and being influenced by Zoroastrianism. Now
what's really cool here is when you look

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into Zoroastrianism, it formed a thousand
years before Christianity, Right, I guess

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what I'm saying. I'm gonna go
on a little tangent here, But what

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I'm really fascinated by is like the
real world historical events that you can cross

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reference and identify how they intermingle and
impact Biblical stories. That like, you're

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never taught that there's a connection there. We're never taught that any other religion

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or myth co mingles with the Bible
in any good way. I've never taught

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that, but it's obvious that it
happens quite a bit, right. I

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can't help but wonder, Like,
so they're in captivity in Babylon. They

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have this like faith that they've comprised
of their own, and this sort of

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like religion that they've comprised of their
own. What would compel them to bring

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We obviously don't have these answers,
but I can't help but wonder what would

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compel them to bring the things that
they're learning from their captors into their own

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faith unless they felt it resonated in
some way, unless they felt it was

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true in some way, you know
what I mean. It's just like that's

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really fascinating, right, And in
the very very early days of like the

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Old Testament texts, if you look
through like Hebrew lexicons and codexes and actually

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like translate the literal original word that
was used in these root languages in the

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Bible, actually Yahweh would have been
seen as like a tribal like a storm

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god like Yahweh was not always this
supreme deity like it became to be.

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It was it was like tribal gods
like you know, my God stronger than

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your God, God stronger than you. You know what I'm saying. Like

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the Jewish spiritual system all the way
back then we're talking, we're talking like

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what's the word exoteric religion? It
was it was very I mean, obviously

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we learned through Kabala. They had
a secret system that was very deep,

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which you know, those texts started
popping up in like the Middle Ages and

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stuff. But they had a very
very simple system. They had an extremely

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rudimentary idea of hell, which they
called Shiel, which was like just this

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place where your body lays down in
darkness forever, and there's not really any

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heaven or hell kind of system.
I mean, it was very basic.

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They start getting around all these systems
and you know, they get influenced by

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influenced by Zoroasterronism, and they're like, dang, there's there's a heaven,

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there's a hell, there's a light, there's a dark. Right, there's

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gonna be a savior, there's going
to be a judgment. Yeah. They

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started getting all these out there ideas
and working it into their system. You

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know, was there like a rudimentary
version of the commandments in Zoroastrianism or am

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I wrong on that? Yeah?
It's good thoughts, good words, good

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deeds, yeah kinda yeah, yeah
kind of thing. But so, around

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a thousand years before the Birth of
Christ is when we can see that Zoroastrianism

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began, and it was by obviously
Zoroaster or his original name Zara Zara let

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me get this right, Zara Thustra, which means radiant star. And he

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as the story goes, obviously he's
in Persia, which is ancient day Iran.

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He goes to the top of the
mountain. He has this vision and

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he communes with the light Ahura Mazda, and it speaks to him and it

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reveals to him that there's an evil
reflection that's sort of like it's angra minu

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or what's the other word for it, Ariman, And that'll come up later

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when we do the Rudolph Steiner episode
the Aromonic Deception. It's very very fascinating

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topic and sort of like, you
know, I find it super fascinating,

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very fascinating stuff. There was not
really a central idea that there was like

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00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:11.119
this evil oppressive spirit until you know, Araman that that that idea came around

406
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.480
the devil, right, Yeah,
the Jews didn't necessarily have like a central

407
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:18.279
devil figure. Even the word satan
honestly what it translates to his adversary.

408
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.640
And even when you read the Book
of Job, which was like they're probably

409
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.599
their earliest text, God and Satan
were just kind of like having a little

410
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.359
bet. You know. It wasn't
even like fighting each other with swords and

411
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.720
you're the devil. It wasn't like
that. Yeah, it was just an

412
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.359
angel that served God and carried out
missions and tasks. It's like closer to

413
00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:38.400
rivals than it was to like mortal
enemies, right, Yeah, it was

414
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:45.119
a completely different system. Even as
a kid, I remember like learning about

415
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.640
job and being like why are they
chill? Like why why is God in

416
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.920
the devil? Like they're like old
pals. Yeah, they're like chill right

417
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.920
now, why is this happening?
Right? Yeah? Yeah, Satan was

418
00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.240
just the adversary, which would lend
itself to the fact that it's way older

419
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.759
than anything else, right, because
it just sticks out like a sore thumb.

420
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:07.440
Is one of those books. It's
like they are very simpatico. They're

421
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.720
like very chill with each other right
now for some reason. Yeah, And

422
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:15.359
like throughout the Old Testament, there's
not really like a main Satan figure.

423
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.720
There's a couple of little references,
but it's it's really just like other nations,

424
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.519
you know. It's really like people
are like going to war with other

425
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.400
nations all this stuff. And then
the idea of like this shadowy like oppressive

426
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.400
devil didn't didn't really start crystallizing until
like the New Testament, you know.

427
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.480
Yeah, and anyway, so yeah, so it's really fascinating when you get

428
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.680
into how the connection between Zoroastrianism and
the Bible and how they influence the religion.

429
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.599
So, like I said, one
thousand years before Christ, he had

430
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.319
this vision and they had this prophecy
that there would be a star in the

431
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:53.920
east, a special star that signals
the birth of the Sao Chayan, which

432
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.640
is like the Savior of the world. He would bring this new, illuminating

433
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.039
spiritual knowledge. And then we do
our little cross reference gig here and we

434
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.960
see, Okay, that's really cool. That sounds familiar to we know that

435
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.599
in the Book of Matthew it was
the three Magi who saw the star and

436
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.440
they're counseling King Herod. They're at
his palace and they're like, Herod,

437
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.279
the Savior is born, Like,
there's the star. This is our prophecy.

438
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.200
And he's like, oh God,
you know, we got to kill

439
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.000
all the babies. Yeah, because
Herod, you know, Herod didn't want

440
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:29.240
to his dynasty to end. Because
the Jewish prophecy was that the Messiah would

441
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:34.720
be like a warrior king. He
would be a royal heir to the Jewish

442
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.279
throne. He would be a part
of a bloodline dynasty that would have the

443
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:43.279
right like the righteous heir to the
throne. You know what I'm saying.

444
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.599
And that's why Herod was like,
okay, well we got to kill all

445
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.920
the babies. It doesn't outright say
necessarily, you know that they I think

446
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:52.359
they said here lies Jesus, the
King of the Jews. When they crucified

447
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.279
him, it says it on top
of his cross. They were mocking him

448
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.799
because they were reviled by the idea. You know, they're saying, this

449
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:00.960
guy's a messiah, but he's a
low life scrub who hangs out with prostitutes

450
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.319
and centers, you know what I'm
saying. Like, so they killed him,

451
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.039
and they did the whole king mockery
thing. That's why culturally they were

452
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.559
anticipating that there would be some royal
bloodline born with this this new messiah.

453
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:16.240
But it's very fascinating you know that
connection between the thousand years Zoroastrian prophecy,

454
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:22.680
which predated the Christian prophecy, and
then you know that event actually was recorded

455
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.680
to have happened in history. So
yeah, again, my point in telling

456
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:28.960
the story is not to try to
you know, make people believe or disbelieve

457
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.519
the Bible. My point is to
say, we're taught to believe that the

458
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:36.359
Bible is the only truth, every
word of its literal YadA, YadA,

459
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.400
YadA. But then we have these
other things of history that are influencing it

460
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.720
right, right, and and the
Bible even makes a point to like try

461
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:50.319
to deter you from looking at other
religions and you know, saying things like

462
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.000
like I am a jealous God.
You know, God says that in the

463
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.039
Old Testament, like my name is
jealousy. I am a jealous God.

464
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.960
Like I don't want you looking at
the you know, and yeah, no,

465
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.440
it's it's actually, if you think
about it, if you keep a

466
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.839
kind of open mind when you look
at this other stuff, that it's corroborating

467
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:12.519
information. It's like backing up information, you know. That's how I look

468
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.480
at it, at least, it's
not like I don't look at it in

469
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.920
opposition to what the Bible is saying. I look at it as like supporting

470
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.840
evidence that there is a core through
line of truth here somethinghere. Yeah,

471
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.840
and it's been here for a long
time, exact Like, don't get caught

472
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.480
up in the nitty gritty details of
the timeline and when did this happen and

473
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.599
who said what and whatever, But
like let's look at the center the vesica

474
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.760
pisces of the venn diagram, and
like, you know, what's the core

475
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.280
truth exactly? Like that's that's my
belief is that you know, people think

476
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.039
too much about like I'm a Christian, I'm a Muslim, I'm a this,

477
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:52.920
I'm a that. Well, that's
that's cool. You can claim all

478
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.199
day what your title is. That's
great, good for you, you know

479
00:34:55.239 --> 00:35:00.800
what I'm saying. But I'm more
concerned about there's act a deity, there's

480
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.480
actually a force, there's actually a
being. How do we connect with that?

481
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.159
How do we understand that? How
do we try to describe that?

482
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.159
How do we coexist with that?
I don't care about like what your system

483
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.320
is or this or that. Like
I I think that the way I see

484
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.320
it is, if there really is
a God or a higher intelligent force,

485
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:25.000
it probably would be reflected because I
tend to believe that God wouldn't truly choose

486
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.559
one people, you know, one
group of people to be the only ones

487
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:30.679
and then you know, fuck all
the rest. Yes, it's not like

488
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:37.000
that. I think that God was
probably reflected on all cultures, you know,

489
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.239
in some way or form, they
were all getting some sort of profound

490
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:45.360
download truth understanding of this mystical body
of knowledge and they all have different cultural

491
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:51.840
beliefs, you know, in the
East and and and in certain uh you

492
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:57.280
know, Babylon and in certain medieval
civilizations they like dragons, you know,

493
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.840
God God will appeared as a dragon, you know, or or to throw

494
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.000
it to the other episode or you
know. They all have their different like

495
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.679
flavor of what this force is.
But there's a little, like you said,

496
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.719
there's a through line through all of
them. And that's my thing,

497
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:14.559
is like trying to break people away
from this one train of thought. You

498
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.840
know how many messages I get,
Like I just want to say, like

499
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.559
I'm a Christian and I want to
know, like how does the phenomenon and

500
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.719
you know intersect with the Bible?
And it's like yeah, I mean absolutely

501
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.440
it does, and it intersects with
so much more too, right, you

502
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.880
know what I mean. That's my
thing. But anyway, so I didn't

503
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.840
want to focus too hard on the
Old Testament stuff because I think that the

504
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.719
New Testament formation of the Bible is
where it gets really dicey when we start

505
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.559
getting it with like official legislation about
like what's canon, what's considered heresy,

506
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:45.559
you know, what, we can
kill people over preaching and stuff like that.

507
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:52.960
So when when we think about the
Bible, right, when we think

508
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.320
about the main part of it,
we think Jesus right, we think y're

509
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.519
zero, you're thirty, you're thirty
three, depending on which hos was your

510
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:06.519
favorite, we think you know Christianity. I'm just saying like phrases that flash

511
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:12.079
in your mind when you think the
Bible and the time period was people did

512
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.800
not have access to the Temple scrolls. Me and you just didn't have a

513
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:19.039
copy of Oh it's my favorite book, Genesis, I read it last night.

514
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.079
You have you read numbers like No. When you wanted to access these

515
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.840
texts, you went to the temple, probably on the Sabbath or whatever day,

516
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.119
and the priests gave you lessons on
them. We weren't just reading this

517
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.079
stuff. We weren't just having access
to this knowledge. You know, you

518
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:43.079
had to go to the temple right
now. The priests that wrote these scrolls

519
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:49.360
and disseminated these these texts kept them
in the temple, you know, the

520
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.480
original manuscripts and all that, and
there were so many Temple scrolls and then

521
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:57.880
we know, I'm fast forwarding a
little bit, but we know in around

522
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.519
sixty nine a d. There was
a major history event where the emperor Nero

523
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:07.440
like seized and destroyed the temple,
the Holy Temple. So you had all

524
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:13.800
these people in these different Jewish sects
taking these temple, these temple scrolls and

525
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.800
fleeing hiding them. Yeah, but
then you have the Romans who came in.

526
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.840
They got what they got and then
they said boom, here you go.

527
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:28.719
So, like the other thing to
consider is that, you know,

528
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.400
if we assume they made your zero
zero because Jesus was born, right,

529
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.000
and I do believe he was a
real person. I think people I don't

530
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.599
even think it was real. Well, I think he was. There's there's

531
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.400
so many different people in history who
corroborated his existence. I mean, the

532
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.400
question isn't was he real? The
question is was he divine or was he

533
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:50.800
really just like a spiritual spiritual sage. Yeah, that that's to me to

534
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:52.440
question if he was real or not. You just got to look up into

535
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.639
more history, you gotta, you
gotta start looking at all these texts,

536
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.679
you know, verifying history seems to
indicate that yeah, he was real,

537
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.920
absolutely right, he was a person
like he Yeah, we have history,

538
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.920
we have like documents that say like
he was around. Yeah, you have

539
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:13.639
multiple people from different countries and cultures
confirming, Yeah, confirm, saying that

540
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.159
they you know, they witnessed him
or they witnessed his movement and things that

541
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.559
were happening. And you know,
the question is it was he real?

542
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:25.760
Right? But it was many years
after he died that these New Testament scrolls

543
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.159
started actually being written. You know, So we're supposed to believe that the

544
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:37.159
Gospel of John, by Jesus' follower, was written by John. Yet we

545
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.719
know, like, for example,
the Gospel of John was written in like

546
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:47.039
one hundred and ten BC add Yeah, yeah, come on, almost eighty

547
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.000
years. Yeah. So again it's
like I'm I'm begging the question here,

548
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.000
like, are we really supposed to
believe that these people whose names are on

549
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.440
these texts wrote these actual texts?
I don't know. We also know that

550
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:05.719
in this time where Rome and Greece
were so intermingled into and Egypt intermingled into

551
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:09.880
Israelite culture, they were hellenized.
They actually had like Greek and Roman coins

552
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.079
this currency. They basically didn't even
have a nation. They were like slaves

553
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.880
to the Romans, you know what
I mean. And in this time period

554
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.800
it was common practice. You know, I'm Socrates I have three philosophy mentors.

555
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:28.440
I just got really sick and passed
away. Well, not mentors,

556
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.760
I'm you know what I'm saying,
Socrates the mentor. My three little proteges

557
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:36.239
are going to continue writing and publishing
under my name. That's common practice in

558
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.920
this culture at the time, and
actually it's accepted in the academic community that

559
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.719
this is the reality of the situation
here. Like they they believe the evidence

560
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:52.079
supports from again analyzing the literary style
and prose of these documents and cross Okay,

561
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.960
so this one's supposed to be written
by Paul. This was supposed to

562
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.559
be written by Paul. This one's
different from this one. You know,

563
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.320
this person writes this way. This
person writes this way. They think that

564
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.199
they're just all different people who are
completely unnamed, lost in history, that

565
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:09.840
are just like devout followers of these
people who probably really did exist, and

566
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.679
they're writing under their pen name.
Yes, right, you see what I'm

567
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:19.280
saying. Yeah, yeah. And
I think names in general get lost in

568
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.639
translation as well. They're translated between
cultures. A lot of people don't even

569
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.039
know. Like, I don't know
if this is a surprise to y'all,

570
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.679
but Jesus is not his name.
It was never his name Jesus. It

571
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.000
was yes, you are, his
mom didn't name him Jesus. There's no,

572
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.719
there's no you know, the New
Testament was written in Greek originally,

573
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.079
there's no J in Greek. Yes, you know, you know what the

574
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.599
jay is in Greek. Yes,
it's pronounced like a why. Yeah,

575
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.519
yeah, yes, you were you
know. It's like Jesus wasn't even his

576
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.800
name. So if that name got
lost in translation, you think the other

577
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.119
ones didn't. It's like there's also
the belief that the name Jesus was like

578
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.280
taken from Zeus. But I don't
know if that's true. And I just

579
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.719
saw that and I thought it was
cool. But so in the early days

580
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.880
of Christianity, I know already covered
some of this, But in the early

581
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.320
days of Christianity, temple scrolls were
only accessible when visiting the temple. The

582
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:13.119
common man didn't have access to the
temple scrolls. After the crucifixion of Jesus,

583
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.760
the first Gospel wouldn't have even been
written till about sixty nine a d.

584
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.679
That's the Gospel of Mark. It's
the first written gospel. Scholars believe

585
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.360
that some of the gospels were actually
pulling information from a mysterious document known in

586
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:28.639
the academic community as Q. This
is a text that predates the four Canon

587
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.760
Gospels. It's from the German word
quell, meaning source, so it's known

588
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.559
as the source document of the Jesus
sayings. Q is a part of the

589
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:39.920
common material found in the Gospels of
Matthew and Luke, but not in the

590
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.800
Gospel of Mark. According to this
hypothesis, the material was drawn from the

591
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:51.800
early Church's oral gospel traditions. Now
here's the cool part. I didn't know

592
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.079
this until I started researching more into
this document. We just say this on

593
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.639
the show because we just feel it
to be true and it just makes sense

594
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.480
and it resonates We've always said,
you know, Jesus is a sage.

595
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:06.559
Jesus is a sage. Well,
the official belief of the community, like

596
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:13.880
the academic community that interprets the Q
document and like analyzes it, the cross

597
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.280
reference between it and the other gospels, the literary prose and all that stuff,

598
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:24.079
they actually view Jesus as having probably
been a wisdom sage. Well,

599
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:29.039
yeah, I mean it fits right
in with the description like what he actually

600
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:32.400
did. So Q was a document
that literally had no name, and it

601
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:37.840
just it's an ancient manuscript and it's
just a collection of teachings from Jesus.

602
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.840
It's not the story. It's not
the whole birth story, it's not the

603
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.920
whole death story and you know,
the ascension and resurrection and all that.

604
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:49.760
It's literally just teachings things he taught. Yeah, gotcha, And that's the

605
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:52.920
good shit. But you have that
document, and then you have many of

606
00:43:52.960 --> 00:44:00.840
these teachings actually being present in the
gospels Matthew and Luke. That's what this

607
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.440
is getting at, Like, this
is an actual historical document that corroborates it's

608
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.719
earlier, like they dated to be
earlier than these gospels, but the sayings

609
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.320
in this document are actually in yes, right, yes, yeah. So

610
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:20.480
the belief is that there are authentic
documents that maybe not written by Jesus but

611
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:25.360
by his immediate you know, surrounding
homies that are like genuinely attributed to what

612
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:30.079
he was saying. The fact that
there are these non canon, authentically dated

613
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.639
documents that are actually corroborated with the
canon documents, it's like, Okay,

614
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.079
maybe there's older texts, right,
maybe there's deeper texts with more you know,

615
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:43.519
original information. Yeah, it's like
I want I want that source material.

616
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.360
Like if that's that through line of
truth, it's like, what's that?

617
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.480
Well, I want more of that, right right, right, That's

618
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.800
what I'm talking about about. So
then when you get into the three original

619
00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.440
Gospels, you have what is called
as the synoptic Gospels because they include many

620
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:06.400
of the same stories, often in
a similar sequence and similar or sometimes identical

621
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.480
wording. Like, for example,
they all have a crucifixion story. You

622
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.039
know what I mean. They all
have similar narratives. Right, They're different,

623
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.519
but they're the same. So they're
the Synoptics. They stand in contrast

624
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.440
to John, whose content is largely
distinct. The Gospel of John is actually

625
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:28.559
believed to be written by neo Platonists, meaning like Plato, followers of Plato,

626
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.480
which Plato would have lived in about
four hundred ish BC. So this

627
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:43.639
would be a new philosophical movement that
was inaugurated by Platonists in the two hundred's

628
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:49.440
AD, and he reinterpreted the ideas
of the philosopher Plato, and the belief

629
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.800
of Platonism was actually really cool.
It argues that the world which we experience

630
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.920
is only a copy of an ideal
reality which lies beyond the material world,

631
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:02.719
which is contrary to what is taught
in church. Most of the New Testament

632
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:07.079
texts were not written by name at
the beginning of the text, but they

633
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.280
were probably written by their followers using
their name. Okay, I just blended

634
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.679
to notes there. Contrary to what
I said. It is contrary contrary to

635
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.480
what's taught in church, what I
was saying earlier. In Hellenistic culture,

636
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.679
someone writes a text and then they
attribute it to you know, the master

637
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.280
that they brid it from, and
they publish under their name. Right.

638
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:31.760
But so with that being the point, most scholars in today's academic community believe

639
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:37.639
that only seven of the thirteen letters
written by Paul, which Paul is supposed

640
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.719
to be like the biggest apostle,
you know, he's the most praised and

641
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:45.920
beloved apostle, only half of his
letters are believed to actually have been written

642
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.400
by him, and then the other
ones written by fans. Yeah that sent

643
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:52.800
letters to him, apparently, like
it's believed. Yeah, it's like he

644
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.199
didn't even write them, but they're
published under his name, and there's no

645
00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:00.360
mention of that anywhere in the Bible. Now. The thing about that that's

646
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:10.719
really crazy is like before Paul came
around, Paul would have been Paul never

647
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:14.360
met Jesus. Like, if you
follow like the story, you know what

648
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.440
I'm saying. Jesus was supposed to
die in thirty a d. Yet if

649
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:21.320
you, you know, choose the
Gospel of John as your favorite, he

650
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:23.880
would have died in thirty three a
d. Right, Paul wouldn't have been

651
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:29.840
around until like forty or fifty or
even later. And even then these texts

652
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.639
were written way after that, so
who knows, right, But he never

653
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.159
met Jesus. Paul was a dude
who, according to the story, he

654
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:43.199
shows up to Jesus's twelve disciples and
he's like, I'm one of you.

655
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:45.239
I had an experience. I was
traveling on the road, you know,

656
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:50.159
from Damascus or Tarsus or whatever,
and I saw a bright white light and

657
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.480
Jesus spoke to me and said,
I got to stop killing Christians and change

658
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.519
my name from Saul to Paul.
And now I'm like one of you,

659
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.559
guys, I'm an apostle. I'm
actually greater than all of you. Yeah,

660
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:02.920
And basically I can't say that,
but the idea is that Paul was

661
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:09.599
the greatest, right, But it's
silly because actually the twelve Disciples that like

662
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:15.599
literally knew Jesus when he was alive
and like continued his mission after his death,

663
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:22.039
they were so irritated and annoyed with
Paul they sent him away. They

664
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.360
sent him, You're gonna go minister
to the gentiles, You're gonna go speak

665
00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:30.360
to the to the foreigners. You
know what I'm saying. But they stuck

666
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.199
him with the shit job. But
half of the New Testament is the letters

667
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.559
of Paul. There's twenty what is
it twenty, I don't know if the

668
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.239
top of my head, it's like
twenty seven or something. New Testament texts,

669
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:46.119
thirteen of them are by Paul.
And yet now we're kind of like

670
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.719
opening our minds to the idea that
like half of those he didn't even write.

671
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.920
Yeah. Well, when you get
into the New Testament, you start

672
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:59.440
to learn that a lot of the
really really kind of out there stuff comes

673
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.519
from Paul. The idea of a
rapture ye, the idea of women are

674
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.159
to be silent and not to speak
up in church. The idea of the

675
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.639
only way that your soul can ever
be redeemed is if you with your lips

676
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.119
literally with your mouth or your lips. You have to speak out loud and

677
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:20.400
confess verbally that Jesus was the son
of God. He died on a cross,

678
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.559
he descended for three days, then
resurrected and ascended to be, you

679
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.400
know, at the throne of God. It's like according to you know,

680
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.599
the writings of Paul, they had
all these like gibber jabber rules that you

681
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.880
have to like jump through all these
fiery hoops to like make it to Heaven.

682
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:39.119
It kinda before Paul, it was
teachings of Christ. You have these

683
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:44.519
alternative gospels, like the Gospel of
Thomas, the Secret Gospel of John,

684
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:49.079
you know, these gnostic gospels that
were deemed heretical later by the priests class.

685
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.639
You have like the Q Document,
all these things that were sayings.

686
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:54.960
They were like philosophical, spiritual sayings
of Jesus. Then Paul comes around,

687
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.880
He's like, no, no,
no, no, you guys got it

688
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.039
all wrong. We have to worry
whip Jesus as God. Yeah, we

689
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:06.639
have to confess that he is God. I think it's Roman ten to nine.

690
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.719
You know, you have to let
every mouth confess that, you know,

691
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.400
the whole process. Died, virgin
birth, resurrected, YadA, ada,

692
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.440
YadA, that's the only way you
can be saved. H He's like,

693
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.039
trust me. I met the guy. I talked to him. It's

694
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.039
like, yeah, and you'll be
caught up in the twinkling of an eye,

695
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:22.760
you know, in the final days
with judgment. It's like a lot

696
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.559
of these out their ideas came from
the apostle Paul, who, according to

697
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:30.599
the original Twelve Disciples, he was
an annoying pest and they're like, go

698
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:36.760
away, like you are really getting
on a freaking nerves. And so in

699
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.400
the academic community, you could say
that this is the split from when it

700
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:45.119
became Christianity, a system of people
who believed in in what Jesus was teaching

701
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.400
as a spiritual philosophy on how to
reach a level of enlightenment and like communion

702
00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.840
with God through your your your deeds, you know, compassion, loving God,

703
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:58.800
loving your neighbor, being kind and
humble and merciful. But then it

704
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:05.920
turned into Christology. Yeah, oh, the worship of Christ as a deity,

705
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:10.159
as a god, as some sort
of supernal mythical being that that you

706
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:15.920
you literally have to worship worship.
And I think that single act has fucked

707
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:19.800
the whole world up. Meanwhile,
Jesus is like, do not worship me,

708
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.000
do not bow to me, don't
bow to anyone, don't take a

709
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.880
rabbi, don't take a master.
Like it's just God like just yeah.

710
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.159
They're like, do not wait,
explicitly saying like, don't worship me.

711
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:31.679
And then Paul comes along and he's
like, dude, he told me you

712
00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.639
have to worship him. It's like, come on, dude, you're annoying.

713
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:39.639
Go go speak to the speak to
the other people. Yeah. Actually,

714
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:45.719
uh, there's a scripture quoting Jesus. That's uh. I think it's

715
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.599
Revelation twenty two nine, or maybe
it's Revelation nineteen ten. Nope, that's

716
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:53.199
the wrong one. I don't know
if I can find it easily on the

717
00:51:53.239 --> 00:52:00.119
spot, Revelation twenty two nine.
Jesus says, see now that scripture is

718
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.639
an angel. I know there's a
part in one of the Gospels. I

719
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.960
would have to dig to find it. But there is a scripture where he's

720
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.000
like, don't ever bow to me, don't take a rabbi, don't take

721
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.840
a master. You know, we
we worshiped God, we worshiped the Spirit.

722
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.960
You know what I'm saying. And
then Paul came around, and it's

723
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.880
like, you know, that's just
where it turned into this like focus of

724
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.199
you know, it's like we're all
just gonna take Paul's word for it,

725
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.400
right right, Why don't we just
listen to Jesus, the guy who was

726
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.440
like the sage exactly what's this telephone? What did he actually say? What

727
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:36.159
did Jesus actually say versus what these
other figures were saying about him many years

728
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.000
after he died? And these rules
and these regulations. I think people get

729
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.960
too caught up in the rules.
Man. I remember being in church and

730
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.719
being so obsessed with in the Pentecostal
church, which we know that's hardcore.

731
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.159
Down in the nitty gritty, there's
a system here that I believe was never

732
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.159
attainable, and it was like,
first you have to be saved, right,

733
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.360
you have to like give your life
to Christ, and you know,

734
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:58.760
say all this stuff, you know, the confession that like what Paul said.

735
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.199
Then you have to be sanctified.
Then you have to be filled with

736
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:06.559
the Holy Ghost. So it's like
this these steps, that's like, you

737
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:13.119
know, what did Jesus actually say? There's two commandments, Love God with

738
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.559
all your heart, mind, and
soul. And love your neighbor, do

739
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.800
unto them as you would do unto
yourself. You know. It's like I

740
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.079
genuinely believe that Jesus was a wisdom's
age and he was sort of like dispelling

741
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:31.000
people's negative beliefs about God and the
higher forces, and he was teaching them

742
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.400
how to connect with it. I
think he was. I think Jesus was

743
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.599
like trying to dispel There are several
examples of him like actually shit talking the

744
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:45.840
old way of like the Jewish system
and and you know, the Temple texts

745
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.599
and the Ten Commandments. He even
says at one point, the law is

746
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.079
cursed, and I bring a new
law. Right. If he was trying

747
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:57.159
to convince you to be part of
like his religion, he wouldn't be saying,

748
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.599
you know, the law is cursed, right. He said, there's

749
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.679
only two who laws. Love God, Love your neighbor. He didn't say

750
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.800
worship me. He didn't say,
you know all this shit, you gotta

751
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.239
get baptized, you have to be
saved, you have to yeah, none

752
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.800
of you know, he didn't say
any of that. It was just like

753
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.239
every one of his teachings and parables
were about like, for example, he

754
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:22.960
tells a parable you know, when
you harm someone physically, the sin is

755
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.800
not in the act, it's in
your heart. It's in the heart,

756
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:30.440
it's in the intention. Yeah.
Or like when you speak to someone with

757
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:36.119
negativity, you cut them. Your
tongue is like a sword, Like you

758
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:39.599
can cut people's soul with your negative
intentions. Jesus's focus was all about the

759
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:44.039
intention of the soul and how that
reflects on other people. It was like,

760
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:46.360
you know, I think about it, like you know, him trying

761
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.440
to convince people like we're all divine, you know, why would you hurt

762
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:52.400
you know, other people. You
have to be loving to other people,

763
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:54.719
treat them as you would treat yourself. And then you know, my whole

764
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:59.119
point here is they come around later
and it's cut to you know, twenty

765
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.039
twenty four and you go to church
and it's thank you Jesus, thank you,

766
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:04.880
Jesus. Praise Jesus, thank you
Jesus. Yeah, we bless you,

767
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.400
we worship you. Our wires got
crossed. You know what I'm saying.

768
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.760
People coming around after Jesus was dead
and saying this stuff. Yes,

769
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.360
it's saying he appeared to me and
said this. Yes, It's like,

770
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:22.679
uh, well, we're just gonna
throw away everything he actually said and take

771
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:28.039
your word for it. Like,
yes, what. So the deeper I

772
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.000
get into this, the more I'm
genuinely believing, like there is no one

773
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:37.760
true system because I believe that God
is beyond all the systems. You see

774
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:40.440
what I'm saying. Like, I
think that we've had it way the fuck

775
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:45.039
wrong. Yeah, and I think
in the Age of Aquarius, we're going

776
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.519
to step away from all these Like
I think, like you can, you

777
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:52.400
can have a religious system. I
think it's natural for for you know,

778
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.960
people have an NFL team, Dude, I was thinking that earlier. I

779
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:59.239
was gonna make the fo I always
make the football reference. People have a

780
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.639
favorite musician, a favorite Like it's
okay to have a system. Yeah,

781
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:06.519
I'm not cursing. I'm just saying
it's not the way, It's not the

782
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.880
only way. Like, yes,
I think I think as long as you

783
00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:15.159
have that connection within yourself to God
and to the light and to you know,

784
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:20.559
to helping other people, and you
know, that's what matters. Yeah,

785
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:22.440
it doesn't matter if you've been baptized, it doesn't matter if you've done

786
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.360
communion, it doesn't matter if you've
been circumcised and all the shit. Like,

787
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.199
it's about your inner being. The
Kingdom of Heaven is within you.

788
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.480
It's not about where you go to
church or temple or whatever. Yeah.

789
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:37.760
And I mean I know many people
who are hip to this stuff and who

790
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:45.480
still subscribe to, you know,
a mainline exoteric religion, and it works

791
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:50.440
great for them. Yeah. And
like, the all that really matters is

792
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:55.440
that the genuine connection that you feel
inside is true and and the core is

793
00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:00.639
there. And it doesn't matter if
you're Christian or Muslim, or it doesn't

794
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.639
matter Buddhist whatever. If the core
connection to God is there, then practice

795
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:12.199
however, you know, within whatever
system works for you. There's no wrong

796
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:16.280
answer, you know, unless the
core is not there. I think elements

797
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.719
of multiple of these are true,
you know what I'm saying. Like,

798
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.599
I do believe in angels. I
believe a lot of the miracles in the

799
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.199
Bible happened. I also believe a
lot of the Buddhist miracles happened. Absolutely,

800
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:30.280
I believe. You know, maybe
in Mexico they were seeing mysterious things

801
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:32.000
in the sky and they described them
as snakes, betrayals, you know,

802
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.039
Like I think I think a lot
of these things were happening. Yeah,

803
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.199
you see what I'm saying. That's
my point. Don't get so caught onto

804
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:42.960
one. But I'm gonna move on
here. For the first three hundred years

805
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.360
after the death of Jesus, Christians
were brutally persecuted by the Romans, especially

806
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:50.360
by the Emperor Nero, who had
an extreme disgust for Christianity. They were

807
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:55.320
tortured and slaughtered mass numbers by the
thousands. Early Christianity, meaning like before

808
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.239
it was officially you know, made
the state religion, before it was even

809
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.199
legal, it was actually what is
known as a cult. It was literally

810
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:06.920
a cult. It was a secret
system that you know, if you were

811
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.440
openly a Christian, you were executed. Yeah, literally like nope, you're

812
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:14.960
dead. And because they were under
Roman rule and they were brutal, so

813
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:22.239
they functioned in secret in literal like
sepulchers, underground like terms, in people's

814
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:29.159
private domiciles, wherever they could meet
in secret. They shared the teachings of

815
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.719
Jesus, you know, and it
was a very strict, tight community.

816
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.519
It was secret for hundreds of years
while they're still being you know, slaughtered.

817
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.079
In three hundred and twelve, the
Battle of the Milvion Bridge takes place

818
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:46.199
between Emperor Constantine and Emperor Maxentius.
Before the battle. Excuse me. Before

819
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:51.320
the battle, Constantine praised to the
Christian God. He's like, I need

820
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.559
a miracle, you know, if
you're real, give me favor in this

821
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:59.280
battle. The legend goes, it's
the miracle of the Son. He sees

822
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.599
this symbol overlaid into the sun,
and he takes it as a sign from

823
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:07.679
the Christian God. He has all
of his soldiers paint this symbol on their

824
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:12.000
shields. You've seen the symbol.
Everyone's seen the symbol. It's the little

825
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.599
symbol with the P and then the
X on it. That's the symbol.

826
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:21.119
And he won the battle. Constantine
actually won the battle, so he conversed

827
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:25.480
to Christianity. I think it's in
three hundred and thirteen a d by that

828
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:30.559
point. One year later, Constantine
being the emperor, especially in more power

829
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.480
now because he defeated Maxincius and took
his you know, his domain or whatever,

830
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:39.000
he decreed the Edict of Milan,
which officially legalized Christianity. No more

831
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:45.480
persecution. But dude, three hundred
and thirteen from zero, well, you

832
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:51.119
know, thirty something, from thirty
something to three hundred thirteen for three hundred

833
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:57.119
years, and I'm going somewhere with
this. Christians are being their skin peeled

834
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:02.880
off and being burned alive, beheaded, put on crosses upside down, crucified,

835
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:10.239
bled out, starved, tortured for
three hundred years. Then the Emperor

836
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.280
comes around. It's like, you
know, I really like this. Actually,

837
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:15.760
let's go ahead, and like,
I'm gonna be this. I'm gonna

838
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.559
take this system. I know I've
been killing y'all, but I really like

839
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:22.199
this. I'm gonna be this.
So he legalizes it. Then next thing,

840
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:28.599
you know, he starts having like
the Nicean Council and Constantine starts saying,

841
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.960
okay, guys, here's how we're
gonna be Christian. You know that

842
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:36.320
that shit that I just converted to. So here's the rules. Okay,

843
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.000
I'm gonna take y'all's religion that we've
been you know, snuffing out for three

844
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:46.760
hundred years. And here's the creed. All these other versions of Christianity like

845
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:52.159
the Gnostics, yeah, the Marcian
Knights, the Evian Knites, the the

846
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.320
Platonists, and there was another one. I can't remember the word off top

847
01:00:55.360 --> 01:01:00.880
of my head. It was another
little heretical sectyall We're all dead. If

848
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:05.360
you preach those other versions, You're
gonna do this version, and only these

849
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.079
texts are included. And you have
to say the Creed, which you remember

850
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.440
the Creed, Yeah, the nice
and Creed. You have to all that

851
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.840
stuff that Paul said, like,
you have to confess all that stuff.

852
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:20.920
And then by three hundred and okay, so three twenty five is when the

853
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.199
nice end is the niceeing Creed,
the our Father who are in heaven Hell,

854
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.719
that's the Lord's prayer. Oh right, right, okay, I forgot

855
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.400
the nice and greed already. Three
hundred and twenty five a d the council

856
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:31.360
that I say it takes place,
which is what I was just talking about.

857
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:36.360
They established the rule about how Jesus
would be worshiped, how the religion

858
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:42.400
would be you know, carried out, and the decree that Jesus is the

859
01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:49.000
divine Son of God. He decrees, yeah, Constantine decrees. All right,

860
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.079
we're gonna celebrate Christmas. Uh.
You know, I don't know that

861
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.480
they called it Christmas. We talked
about that in the previous episode last year.

862
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:57.840
We talked about the origin of Christmas
and where the word came from.

863
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:02.159
But Constantine decrees Okay, Jesus's birth
is gonna be the same day as my

864
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:07.679
previous god that I worshiped in the
Roman pantheon, sol Invictus, who was

865
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.360
of the Sun and had a virgin
birth. Well, his birthday was December

866
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.159
twenty fifth, So now Jesus is
that day too. Scholars believe Jesus was

867
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:19.440
probably born in August or September,
you know what I'm saying. So like,

868
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:22.880
he changed the system to where we
would all observe it on this day,

869
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:29.400
changed the rules about it completely,
took over. And then by three

870
01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:36.760
hundred and eighty, Emperor Theodosius the
First officially decrees that Christianity is the state

871
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.719
religion of the Roman Empire. And
then we get into like the Roman Catholic

872
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:45.199
territory where we start getting the popes
pop up. The emperor eventually would dissolve

873
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.159
and now you know, we have
the pope, Like eventually they merged and

874
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.880
you started losing the emperors because the
power went into the church. So like,

875
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.760
I don't think people realize, like, sure, you might not be

876
01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:00.440
Catholic, but it don't matter,
Like that's where your text, that's where

877
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:04.840
the history of your text and your
whole religious system comes from, you see

878
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.159
what I'm saying. So, like
the people who were killing Jesus and snuffing

879
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:13.280
him out and reviled his original message
are the ones all these hundreds of years

880
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.920
later Toko he was saying, it
was like, here's the rules, follow

881
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.440
it this way. Then it would
be for hundreds of years before the Bible

882
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:27.039
was even given to the common man. Oh yeah, where he could take

883
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:29.719
it home and read it. And
by the way, the Bible wasn't even

884
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.599
published until I think like the three
sixties or something like that, So it

885
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.800
was hundreds of years these different bodies
of texts. We don't you know,

886
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.400
the Roman people who were killing them. Now they're in charge. They're saying,

887
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.400
we don't like this one, we
don't like this one, all this

888
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.239
gnostic stuff, we don't like that, we don't like that these sixty six

889
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:51.800
these are what you get, and
this is how you're gonna believe it.

890
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:54.840
And uh, we'll kill you.
Yeah, we were killing you for being

891
01:03:54.920 --> 01:04:00.159
Christian. Now we're gonna kill you
if you do it a different ways.

892
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.360
So wild, Yeah, it's insane. Yeah. I don't think people like

893
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:10.159
really realize that, like realize that's
where the text comes from. It's It's

894
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:14.519
also interesting that it went that way
because if you look at the timeline,

895
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:18.519
it's not it's not like exactly right
next to each other, but it is

896
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:26.760
right around the same time Rome was
beginning to fall, like the grip,

897
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.360
the Roman grip on the world was
beginning to buckle a little bit, and

898
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:35.199
within easily within a hundred years of
that, Rome was just it fell.

899
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.920
It is. It was not they
were not in power anymore. It's almost

900
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:45.960
like what if, like the Roman
Empire never like fell, it just became

901
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:48.519
the Church. That's exactly what I
think happened. It just they were like,

902
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:53.079
we got to do something with all
this money, with all this stuff

903
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:57.000
we stole, with all this power
we've established, we can't just let it

904
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:00.920
die. Let's just hide it in
the Vatican, just hide it in the

905
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:04.559
church. Let's bastardize this stuff,
and let's see, let's see if we

906
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:09.760
can do something here. The other
thing I want people to consider is we

907
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:14.679
have to understand the Romans had a
system that was very similar to Greece.

908
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:17.159
That was, you know, it
was just like you have the main gods

909
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.519
that are typically based on the planets. You have like zeus Hera, all

910
01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:24.719
that, but they have different names, like Jupiter Venus. Yeah, it's

911
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.119
the same thing. They took it. They took their stuff, changed the

912
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.480
name, and they're like, uh, you know, we're killing people who

913
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.960
aren't into this, but now we're
gonna take Christianity. Wait a minute,

914
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:36.880
but I really liked Hercules how he
was this kind of like semi divine figure

915
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:42.039
who came from God. Okay,
so let's let's do the same thing with

916
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.239
Jesus. You see what I'm saying. Like they took this dude who they

917
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:53.800
killed, literally ponscious pilot, the
Roman governor killed him, and they're like,

918
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.800
but I like the divine element.
I missed that, you know what

919
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.239
I'm saying. You remember that shit
that was cool? And they made Jesus

920
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:04.239
this like Hercules, you know,
demi god. It's because like Hercules was

921
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:10.880
like Heracles was like the champion of
the people. It's like he wasn't a

922
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:15.119
god, but he was at this. He's a person, so the people

923
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.960
can get behind him, but he's
also godly and so it's something to aspire

924
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:25.840
to. It's like inspiring, you
know, It's like that archetype people.

925
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:31.519
It was really easy for people to
get behind Heracles so they were like they're

926
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:36.360
onto something there. Yeah, and
then you know, condemn everybody that doesn't

927
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.280
believe it this way. It's just
it's it's really insane, like it's it's

928
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:42.679
super insane. So then at some
point, let me, let me see

929
01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:46.800
exactly when this happened. But they
had the Second Council of Constantinople. I

930
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:54.280
spelled that wrong, Second Council of
Constantinople in five hundred and fifty three.

931
01:06:54.840 --> 01:07:00.920
So we have evidence that one of
the main Christian writers at the time that

932
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:10.239
this council took place was named origin
And back in the day when when Christianity

933
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.719
was still in its early phases,
you know, as it was back then,

934
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.639
you had different sects, right,
You had this writer, you had

935
01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:24.119
this writer, Augustine Origin, YadA, YadA, YadA, and they all

936
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:29.559
had their like little different ideas about
it. Originism. One of the main

937
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:39.320
tenets of Originism was transubstantiation of the
soul, meaning we reincarnate to God.

938
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:45.159
That was an official position of Christianity
in the five hundreds, which was so

939
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:50.480
popular at the time that even the
Pope at the time was known to be

940
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:56.760
into Originism. Right, So then
we have in five hundred and fifty three

941
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.000
the Second Council of Constantinople. One
of the main tenets of this council they

942
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:05.320
banned organism, They made it heresy. Yeah, you talk about reincarnation now

943
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:10.559
and the last thing people think is
the Bible or Christianity or Jesus. Yeah,

944
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.000
because they snuffed it out. Ye, and they removed it from history.

945
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.760
If they did it once, look
they did it twice. You know.

946
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.840
Yeah, they're just pulling whatever they
don't like, whatever they can't use

947
01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:23.520
to control people, you know,
pull it out and you know, ban

948
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:27.439
it. Tell people you'll kill them
if they believe it. Right, evil.

949
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.359
But you know the point here is
like, okay, so we know

950
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.319
that the Romans who were killing Christians
had a completely different religion, took it,

951
01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:40.640
changed it, made the rules,
made the laws, didn't even let

952
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.800
you have the book in your house
until it was translated for the masses,

953
01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:46.680
and like I don't know, the
fifteen or sixteen hundreds, you know,

954
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:50.119
by King James, and then by
the way they translated a lot of that

955
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:55.199
stuff out and simplified it. And
then you know, I grew up in

956
01:08:55.239 --> 01:09:00.760
the Pentecostal Church. The King James
versions the only true version Yep, I

957
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:03.159
have heard that in my whole life. I only read the King James.

958
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.359
You know, all the other ones
are from sin, They're from hell.

959
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:10.119
You ever try to translate, like
just talking about the New Testament, at

960
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:14.399
least, you ever try to translate
Greek to English. It don't happen very

961
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:18.840
easy. There's a lot of weirdness
when you translate that stuff over. But

962
01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:24.000
it's like it's sacred, it's it's
the word of God. King James is

963
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.640
the only word of God. Yeah, all the other ones are born from

964
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:29.119
the fires of Hell. Absolutely.
Yeah. I heard that my whole life.

965
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:30.279
Oh yeah, dude. I used
to think, like it's so deep,

966
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.960
Like in the King James version,
the official phrases the Holy Ghost.

967
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:39.600
Yeah, remember that, I'm filled
with the Holy Ghost. Well it's like,

968
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:45.399
okay, well, the Holy Spirit
is commonly not in the King James

969
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.079
Bible, so we don't say the
Holy Spirit that's in them charismatic churches.

970
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:53.680
We only believe in the Holy Ghost. It's like what I used to feel

971
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.800
guilty if I said the Holy Spirit, you know what I mean? Really?

972
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:58.720
Yeah, because no, because that's
not how it is in the King

973
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:00.760
James. It's the Holy Ghost.
Wow. See. I mean it's deep

974
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.560
Pentecostal, so they're real, real
serious about it. It was never that

975
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:10.720
deep with like I heard Holy Spirit
just as often as I heard Holy ghosts.

976
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:14.920
There was no weirdness there. That's
wild because that like it ingrained it

977
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.159
in you that if you said the
word spirit that well it's not that they

978
01:10:17.239 --> 01:10:20.199
said it's not that they said that. But I questioned, like, Okay,

979
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.359
yeah, I'm reading from you know, a bad books, like I

980
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.439
shouldn't say this. That's not how
it is. You see what I'm saying.

981
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.399
And it's like like if you just
zoom out and you look at it

982
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.960
all, it's like people are killing
each other over this shit. Oh yeah,

983
01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:38.000
have been for thousands of years.
Yeah and then still are yeah,

984
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:41.600
still are literally And like, dude
and I just had the brilliant idea,

985
01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:45.000
we need to do a Gnostic Wisdom
Tradition episode. We've never done a full

986
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.960
episode on gnosticism dude, period,
Like, we have never done a full

987
01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:51.880
lips The closest thing we've done is
episode eighteen Lord of the Rings with Gnostic

988
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:57.319
themes, right right, we need
to do We need to do Anostic episode.

989
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.479
I'm gonna go deep for that.
Because it's it's it's a topic that

990
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:05.000
I'm passionate about. But like,
I think the gateway to opening your mind

991
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:11.439
from like being so strict about how
to understand and perceive the Bible is understanding

992
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:14.840
that Gnosticism was a real historical movement. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

993
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:17.319
and I'll spare the details for a
later episode. But essentially, they

994
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:24.479
are texts that were authentically dated purported
to be written by people in Jesus's vicinity,

995
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.119
you know, his friends, his
followers, They're just as old as

996
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:30.640
the real gospels. And yet at
the time, you know, when these

997
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:34.720
emperors were creating the Bible and creating
these creeds in these conventions, they were

998
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:39.640
decreeing that gnosticism was heretical, and
they were burning people at the stake for

999
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.600
teaching this. Yeah, what did
the Gnostics say? Oh, well,

1000
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:48.119
how about the Secret Gospel of John
that says, you know that he had

1001
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:54.520
a private conversation with Jesus and it
was about how we exist in the nightmare

1002
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:58.520
realm and this world is an illusion. It's like your body is born into

1003
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:02.199
a prison and the goal is to
ascend through lifetimes to return to the mind

1004
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:06.119
of God. You know the all
the universe or whatever. It has its

1005
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:11.039
own terminology, and it's crazy man. And then you poke open through the

1006
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:15.760
gnostic system, and it just basically
turns out according to that view, Jesus

1007
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.319
was a sage who was teaching like
love and light, how to reach enlightenment,

1008
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:26.319
to cease the necessity for reincarnation.
The basic principle is, like you're

1009
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born here, it's a test.
It's like a nightmare. It's like a

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bad dream. The matrix, you
could say, and the whole purpose is

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to Jesus says something to the effect
of, like the way I've lived,

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the way I am, you know, use that as your example, like

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be like me. Basically, be
like me, and your light will be

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lit and you'll awaken. You won't
need to reincarnate here anymore. The nightmare

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will be over. You'll go home
to the source, you know. So

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it's a completely different view from canonical
Christianity. And yet these texts are authentically

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as old and they're found in clay
pots in the desert of nagh Hamadi,

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Egypt, in like nineteen fifty two
or something like that. So I understand

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when when you know all of these
elements and then you look at like the

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formation of the Bible, the counsels, the rulings of how these texture considered

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canon. This is doctrine, this
is heresy. It's just a big mess.

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Yeah, And it's just it feels
so interesting that like they would go

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to the lengths of burning and torturing
and killing these people, like, you

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know, you would think if it
was just a matter of you have to

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you know, you should be believing
the same stuff we are. It's like,

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are you really are they really going
to spend all that time and resources

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hunting people down just for not believing, or are they worried that they're spreading

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the truth and they don't want the
truth to get around, right, because

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they'll lose their grit, right,
that seems more likely. Why would they

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ban reincarnation Why, oh, because
it's evil? Well yeah, but I

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mean if people believed that, oh
man, this life really is an illusion.

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And like, you know, I've
I've been here many times, and

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I'm ascending to higher levels of consciousness
and trying to like I have a genuine

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reason over my head other than fear
of hell and death, to like try

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to be good and enlighten people around
me. Maybe the Emperor would have a

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little bit less control over how I
think and how I view the world and

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how I see things. Yep,
you know, and the belief there is.

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Emperor Justinian was concerned, you know, that there would be too much

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01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:34.039
free thought if they, you know, were aware of reincarnation. Free thought

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is like the death of control,
right, Yeah, they can't have that.

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Yeah, it's so it's it's fucked
out super deep. I hope you

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guys enjoyed that one. I'm all
out of notes, so yeah, that

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was that was comprehensive. That was
That was really cool. Yeah, I

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dug that and oh my god,
gnosticism that will be that will be just

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as cool. Yeah, that'll be
a fun one, especially when we like

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pick like how we did with previous
Wisdom Tradition episodes and like read from the

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text. Yeah, that's gonna be
like what Yeah, there's there's some deep

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story that should be like the next
Mystery Traditions. I'm down, I'm I'm

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down. Yeah, all right,
sweet bye guys, love y'all. Bye,

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guys. Weird things happen in the
backyard of Bletsoe House. Yeah,

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god, it's so weird. You're
coming cluster to her like smirring on the

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inside of it. No one knows
man just come right over side being a happy