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Com. This is the Three Whiskey Happy

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Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward,
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Down and Loan. Welcome everybody to
another episode of your favorite podcast on

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the Ricochet Network, The Three Whiskey
Happy Hour with my co host Steve Hayward

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and the International Woman of Misty Lucretia. Say Hi everybody. Kresia, it's

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good to see you. It's good
to see you too. And luckily because

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Steve and I are in the same
hotel room, but because we're uncomfortable men,

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we won't do our show in the
same hotel room. While we're in

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the same hotel, we're still a
separate rooms. Steve and I are on

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different channels, and his WiFi is
so bad he can't turn his camera on.

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So we have this picture of a
happy, smiling step which is not

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at all how he looks like.
And no and no goofy glasses either I'm

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just trying to band with you guys. Come on, you know I'm I'm

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being a conservationist, but you're gonna
take a little fun out of it,

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because when I wound you deeply with
Mike barbed Steve, I won't be able

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to tell you know that's people don't
know this. We should sell sell a

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separate track with just the video so
you should see the face of Steve makes

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while Lucretia goes at him. It's
it's it's pitiful. It's like watching those

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the National Draft geographics where the uh
the Aleutians club baby seals on the ice.

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But the reason why I say the
favorite your favorite podcast on the Ricochet

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network is we had an overwhelming response
to our episode last week, and so

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I thought we would begin. We
have a packed show. By the way

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we begin is something of a continuation
from the last episode because a number of

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comment people who wrote in commented online
wrote into Ricoche wanted to hear what Lucretia's

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comment was in response to my outrageous
statement. Apparently that if people think the

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government is over prosecuting people for January
six but under prosecuting people for Black Lives

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Matter protests, the answers not to
demand that more Black Lives Matter protesters be

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prosecuted. That the Founder's answer was
because they created the safeguard of a jury

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which could refuse to convict anyone.
The founders didn't want anyone to be prosecuted

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and wanted to give the jury the
ability to nullify political prosecution. So we

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thought we'd finish up that point before
we get to a packed episode filled with

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protested federal judges and conservatives being fired
from law schools, and reparations for slavery

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and the collapse of the rich people's
banks. So before we get to that,

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Lucretia, what's your response that these
lists I have. I have a

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specific response, and I have a
theoretical response. John, I get what

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you're saying that in a general sort
of way, the the purpose of our

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criminal justice system is much more to
you know this. The cliche is often

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it's better than ninety nine criminals go
free than an innocent one is convicted and

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you know, put in jail and
so on. And I think most people

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probably agree with that. What I
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agree. I don't agree with go
ahead neither, because the sentiment get the

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sentiment. The power of government that
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our consent, handed to the government, the power over life and death and

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all lesser powers is an awesome,
terrible power. And so you are correct

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in so far as that the founders
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power was to make it more difficult
in general, to convict somebody, put

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them in jail, take away their
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And even if you go drill down
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realm, I think that's probably true. We saw at the very beginning in

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the seventeen eighties when Jefferson, or
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say, with the Alien and Sedition
Acts, and you saw that there was

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a clear attempt by the federalists,
I'm going to oversimplify too more or less

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to punish some of their political enemies. That's probably oversimplifying it, but you

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get the point anyway. You're right
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wasn't to devise some constitutional right or
system or something that would ensure that if

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somebody on this side of the political
equation was convicted by the awful power of

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government, somebody on the other side
would be as well that I agree with

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that one hundred percent. However,
what I would say is that's a little

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bit too generic. I want to
start then with Madison's famous famous quote from

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I Believe It's Federalist fifty one,
where he says, justice is the end

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of government. It is the end
of civil society. It ever has been,

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and ever will be pursued until it
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in the pursuit. And I don't
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devised a system that ignores that really
important point. That's what they were looking

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for. Now, whenever you set
up methods and systems procedures designed to bring

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about justice, you're right, you're
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going to have prosecutors that are biased, prosecutors that are two blacks, prosecutors

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that are too tough, whatever it
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a problem. But the system does, I think, have, even at

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a more technical level, protections built
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think is a little bit different.
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close to this was the prosecution of
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where that was just egregious and horrible, and a black person didn't stand the

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chance of getting a fair trial.
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that. We don't want that to
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our standard. And I think that, ultimately is the problem I had with

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what you said. I don't think
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the founders believe that justice was the
end of government, that whenever you set

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up procedures, they will never be
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going towards. Does that make sense? Oh? Yeah, this just brings

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to mind that And I'm glad you
mentioned this because it shows the fundamental difference

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between you and Steve on the one
hand, influenced as you are by your

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natural law heresies, and me on
the other hand. The poor positivists.

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The poor positivists, you guys,
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yes, the whole point of government
is justice. I am a Hobbesian

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living in my little Hamiltonian world where
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and the primary duty of government is
security. After you have security, then

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I think you can have justice.
A whole nother podcast. It must you

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have best something to say, because
it but a whole nother podcast on whether

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Hamilton was a Hobbsian not tonight Not
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have t n I've tried to point
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that Hamilton what was the case in
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it was that New York City case
where Hamiltons versus Waddington. That's a great

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case, very hard to find the
transcript of that case, you know,

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but he recurred, he relied on
natural law arguments. John, So you're

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wrong, I mean, you know, it's just well, this is the

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proble. By the way, this
is substitution. This is before the positives

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took over. Is that what you're
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Hamilton had to be a responsible government
official and not some some before. Further,

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we're not going to discuss his whole
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I do have a quote from Hamilton, and this is I think belies everything

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John just said. Hamilton, when
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much power and becoming tyrannical the people
have no choice but to exercise their original

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right of self defense to fight the
government. That is straight out of Jefferson's

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the tree of liberty must be watered
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Both Hamilton and the Federalists and Jefferson
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most important thing was that you had
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think that's not a positivist view,
John. Sorry, so John, let

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me weigh in here with one brief
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I'll explain one a minute, and
then a serious point. The first point

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is one reason we're not talking about
our whiskey selections for the evening is John

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and I are just coming off a
very boozy dinner ahead of our clandestine meeting

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to do mischief to the left here
all day tomorrow on the East coast in

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Florida. I'll let you know your
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John, here's the point. Was
what was what it was? What was

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Ron's nickname for you, Steve shiny
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that. I missed that of that
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I couldn't hear anybody talking. It
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serious point is what did you say
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sure. Here's the objection that formed
in my head when you said whatever it

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was you said that was wrong.
Is that we now have a system that,

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in practice is protecting I'll put it
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state. I mean, we said
this last week. Look, can you

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get a fair jury in Washington,
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This was Scooter Libby fifteen years ago. I think you saw it now with

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some of the January sixth defendants.
Okay, it's a whole, it's a

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whole, god awful mass I understand
all that. But the point one of

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the let me do this and then
I'll shut out one of the I'm under

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sending a very interesting question, and
he pointed to the language of the Constitution.

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I forget where it is. But
since Congress does have jurisdiction over the

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district, as we learned lately from
Joe Biden, say yes, I will

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go along with Congress overturning the DC
City Council wanting to let criminals out of

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jail for free. What if Congress
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in the District of Columbia must be
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Wouldn't that be a legitimate act of
Congress to do you see the point I'm

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making, John, I think you
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a their limits on the government that
are not in the written constitutions are so

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unjust or unfair that you could just
say they're illegal, even though nothing in

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the constitutional text bars it. Right, that's so so, John, What

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about innocent until proven guilty? Yeah, where is that in the Constitution?

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Well, it's not in there,
but it says you've got to prove it

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beyond a reasonable doubt. But that's
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a lot of things that follow from
that general notion, like bail, Like

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yeah, all of those actions that
come from it assume that very basic kind

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of common law premise that isn't in
our constitution. That's just a basic derivative

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of the idea that government before it
can exercise its awesome, terrible power,

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has to be able to prove through
due process and all those other things that

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it has a right to do.
So we didn't just give over to the

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government power to secure our safety.
We gave over to the government limited and

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specific powers. Those powers are defined
by the Constitution. That doesn't mean that

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we don't still retain a whole lot
of other things that we didn't give over

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to the government and that aren't necessarily
outlined in the Constitution. So I agree

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with that, But I guess the
difference I have, But how can you

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from a positive so because I think
it might be the case that the people

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it's not might be it is the
case that the people did not give all

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the power to the federal government and
they retain their rights. So they say

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they say that in the ninth and
tenth Amendments, which is just stating what's

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obvious from the structure of the Constitution. I guess my difference from you guys

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is legally enforce what's what's legally enforceable. So I think that you know you

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you are basing your arguments on what
you take to be the philosophy, the

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political philosophy that must undermine, not
undermine, must stand unbeneath the be the

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foundation for these constitutional principles John,
that's so comfortable saying that you have to

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carry that forward to today, you
know, because those are not in the

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constitutional text. So what if the
plical theory of the people today is different

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than the one that was held in
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natural No, no, it's there, but they're natural lawyers today. I

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would say, if the people in
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theory, I don't agree with it, but it would probably be some you

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know, soft version of Rawseyanism.
And if that's the you know, the

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welfare state. And if that's true, then what you still have with the

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constitutional provisions in the text. And
those are still good, But why does

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the philosophy, why are they still
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text. That's why I'm a positivist, because they're in the constitutional text.

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Oh, Steve has turned on his
camera, which means he's get off.

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No, no, John, you
uh, you clearly enjoyed the fine.

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Why it didn't rettle too much because
you just contradicted yourself. Did I actually

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hear you a moan to go?
Say? What's in the structure of the

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constitution? Game, set and match
But if that's not enough, you wanted

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to say, yeah, those founders
they were natural lawyers. The implication is

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today we suffer from unnatural lawyers.
And my point is precisely, and that's

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exactly the problem. As I say, game, set and match and the

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tiebreaker. So you lose no,
no, no, no by a different

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point, which is yes, I
agree with you. The founders were natural

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law people. There's no there was
no other alternate system, right, there

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was no What alternate systems do we
have today? You don't think that the

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positivism occurred to them and they didn't. No, No, I'm saying today

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I would say the political I would
I don't. I find this unfortunate,

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but I would think the majority of
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of Rawlsey in definition. They're all
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They don't want to come the question
which is right, get rid of entitlements?

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The question is which is truth?
John, not what do most people

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happen to abide by today because they've
been improperly educated or whatever. The question

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is which one's true? No?
I see, this is why I guess

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I am a positivist. I tend
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want to incluhy do we? Why
do we? Then we're never going to

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get to our criticize Ald on this
one point. Why do we then criticize

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Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia or even
even Putin? Why do we If Putin

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thinks it's right to invade and take
back Ukraine, who are we to say

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it's not right for him to do? That's his business, it's not ours.

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We're not in Europe, We're not
in Eastern Europe. Why what right

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do we have to criticize cannibalism or
what's happened in Rwanda or all these other

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things. We ever have a right
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standard beyond enough people buy into it
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ever do that? That's a terrible
argument. And you're the sober person on

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this broadcast, believe it. I
just got a case of Italian wine.

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How do you think I'm sober?
So I have to say, John,

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I'm so glad that you have to
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well, criticize the Nazis they follow
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because it's not natural law doesn't mean
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know, human rights and political theory
that applies to everybody. It's just not

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natural law. What's the basis for
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person in my own personal approach.
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the political theory of it is right. If you're Walls, right, I

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guess it's you know, you're all
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ignorance, and then you guys make
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life that all of us will be
in should after we enter society. Oh

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boy, I don't find it terribly
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them. Okay, enough, I've
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podcast actually agree with. So let's
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which is how terrible the treatment of
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Law School, and how it's another
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For those of you who didn't see
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a Court of Appeals judge in the
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went to Stanford Law School last week
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was beset by what looks like a
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has only got four hundred and fifty
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shouted at him, basically prevented him
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matters worse, Judge Duncan asked for
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that his First Amendment or rights were
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the diversity, equity and Inclusion administrator, appeared and proceeded then turn around

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and break Judge Duncan for another few
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with his speech and questioning whether Stanford
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he accused him of denying their humanity. Yes, that's right, denying their

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humanity. And then Judge Duncan went
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into the state of nature, and
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amongst jeers and insults from students,
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the building by the old marshals.
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just to continue the search is a
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Law School, Jenny Martinez, and
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joint apology to Judge Duncan, whereupon
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by protests of the dean for apologizing
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I guess he's a I'm not sure
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or homophobe, transpob and I trans
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soup guys one, well, please
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and then be what should be done
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all, see's let's fill a little
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first of all, you mentioned the
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he's got a hyphenate the name test
Cia something or other who was under fired

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himself or possible ethiculations in his own
scientific work test a levine. There you

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go out And anyway, there's been
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was stronger than the initial policy just
apology just from the dean, because it's

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said that some of the responses from
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you know, an implicit rebuke of
the theidan who showed up. So Second

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of all, apparently the Federal Society
had paid one hundred and fifty dollars to

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the Stanford Tech people whatever to do
a videotape recording of the entire session,

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and Stanford is now refusing to release
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for it, or do anyone else. I think, by the way,

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that some enterprising congressional committee ought to
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In California, we have the Leonard
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for whom my wife worked when he
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said that all universities that received any
state funding, which would include Stanford,

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must protect free speech, must not
engage age in any viewpoint discrimination. The

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in violation of that law, which
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all that usual problem. So here
we are. What to be said about

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this is oh fourth point, sorry, a news item. Is the dean,

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who I assume is what Martinez whate
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a good conventional law school liberal teaches
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would drive Lucretia out of her mind. Well, she goes to class here

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a day or two ago, and
students dressed in black line the hallways and

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stand in her class and papered over
her chalkboard or white. It's about this

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was our speech, heckling the judge. This is brown shirt activity out of

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Batzi, Germany to a leftist right
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reflecting on her day. You had
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nineteen thirties and it's you know,
it's orwell, it's Arthur. It's one

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more kindle I was talking about on
a recent podcast. We have more to

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fear from communists than we have to
fear from Franco. It is. I

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think liberals in American faculties are slow
to learn that they have much more to

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fear from the radical left than they
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And that's the lesson of Stanford.
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nothing, and we're just going to
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think it's very, very bad.
So I want to go back to something

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John said for a moment um that
we all agree on this. But when

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he when he said that, you
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um consensus about things, I want
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least and in the mainstream media so
on isn't is exactly what that stupid twit

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d e I d ie whatever she
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in. This has been the thing
I've sort of been harping on for the

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last couple of weeks, which is
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than you know, a few places
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Iowa, you taught, Idaho,
a few places. It is such a

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matter of faith amongst university personnel across
the board that the idea that she could

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have, that that stupid twit dean
could have done anything wrong, it's really

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beyond And so, just for the
heck of it, I googled while we

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were while John was giving the setting
up the case hal Duncan. These are

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the one, two, three,
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come up Trump Judge Kyle Duncan's tantrum
at Stanford Law was part of blah blah

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blah blah blah. A new Supreme
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people. The Stanford Law students who
protested a judge are in the right.

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And it goes on and on exactly
like that. Protesting the nation, protesting

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an anti Trump judge isn't disrespectful.
It's American. And my point is is

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that you have to go about fifteen
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Judge Duncan's response to all of this. This has become a matter of faith,

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a matter of heterodoxy, sorry orthodoxy, and anybody who argues against it

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is accused of heterodoxy. It's no
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d EI dean says that Judge Duncan's
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know. I'm assumed she's talking about
trans persons because he's not fully embracing and

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celebrating a mutilating children who think that
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their humanity. We're all supposed to
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that's the problem I see with this. You see this being fought out now

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and again I'm going to give Steve
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is howhere it has to happen.
It can't be a matter of free speech.

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It has to be fighting fire with
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There's been a dozen articles in the
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point from both sides, but arguing
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equity, and inclusion is at least
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and a purpose for universities as is
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That's how far you're apt. Yeah, I mean I've been putting it lately

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that you know, the DEI has
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factty have to sign like you Ju
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a couple of times in strange ways. It's become what I call the nice

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seeing creative academia. Academic freedom now
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same thing thing the rest of us
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to descend from it. I think, by the way, there's a two

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lucretia you mentioned. You know what
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A couple more facts about this,
and this is why the point I

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mentioned about Stanford will not release the
full videotape of the entire session. Some

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early stories, especially from left wing
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oh, well, you know,
judge duncan behave very badly. It was

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very rude. So two things to
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says this a national review because there
is an audio recording available. David Latt

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has apparently posted this. Apparently that
this account that he was rude to the

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students or was combative as wrong when
you listen to the whole thing. Second,

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what was his topic? His top
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it as I understand it, John, it was how circuit splits and things

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that bubble up from the circuit courts
present problems to the Supreme Court. His

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topic was not about identity politics.
It was not about the transgender business,

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the you know, the the uber
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fuss because he had supposedly misgendered someone
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these people are. So I mean, I think as more facts come out,

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it's even worse than it looks.
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yes, I agree. I agree
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watching Stanford. I suspect they will
do nothing. They're going to try and

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sweep it under the rug. The
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about is one that you Lucation I
have been arguing about on email all day

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or all week, not really arguing, but my point is is there is

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what I like to call the version
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side academia. As you increase the
supply of d EI administrators and the related

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programs and student mental health support,
you're going to get what. You're going

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to get more people aggrieved about diversity
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the courses, and then there's this
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so no wonder we are seeing scoring
rates of students who are suffering from mental

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health. This is John Hight's great
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years ago, we started seeing especially
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about it. Liberal women's students showing
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you know this is where Lucretian I
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john campus climate surveys at Berkeley and
elsewhere where minority students say, gosh,

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I feel less comfortable on campus than
I did years ago or whatever or whatever

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the previous surveys were. How can
this be. We've added fifty diversity bureaucrats,

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causing the problem, that is aggravating

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and reinform Yes, Steve, speaking
of I'm sorry, I thought you were

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done. We are having a little
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I apologize for that. That's because
my my friends are in their undisclosed location

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and a bunker deep down beneath them
the Panhandle of Florida or something. I

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don't know anyway, Um, but
the Chronicle of Higher Education had an article

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and it went like this, d
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okay, period. Then the next
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professionals is not producing the results expected. That's my point, I think exactly,

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but I mean even the chronicle recognizes
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course the next one was, well, what do we do about this this

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disconnect? You know, though,
what do we do about the fact that

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we want to spend more money,
we want to put more resources into d

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and so we've really got to rethink
how we do this so that we

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can't we can prevent the kinds of
activities we're seeing in Florida and elsewhere to

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I mean, some states are talking
about completely taking out any funding whatsoever for

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d IE initiatives broadly defined in state
universities. That would be amazing. I

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don't know if they'd be successible,
but so here's a guys, here's a

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easy test, I think, to
see whether Stanford or other universities would be

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serious about this. Before we move
on to our next topic, let me

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ask you, do you think that
Stanford will fire the d EI official here

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who, instead of defending free speech, attacked the speaker. No, there's

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zero chance that will happen. As
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middle road, try to please both
sides and hope everybody forgets they're too cowardly

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to fire. I mean, yeah, then then it means that no good

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will come of this the end Ye
people pay attention, John, the universe

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is aren't going to do the very
minimum that they should that would occur to

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any reasonable person about how to take
a first step to fix this up.

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Okay, so I'm just arguing,
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on, but I'm arguing that in
the university's view, in the d Ie

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regime's view, it's not a reasonable
person that would be upset by it.

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that one. Yeah, so let's
move on to yet another. We don't

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want everyone in the country to think
that everything here revolves around universities. But

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our second topic is also a university
based story. And this was carried by

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The New York Times over the weekend. I as a service to the readers

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to the listeners. Unlike Steven Lucretia, I read the New York Times regularly

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just to know what the other side
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reports in the case of Amy Wax. Amy Wax is a professor at the

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University of Pennsylvania. She's made a
number of controversial statements, some in class,

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out of class, some in their
writings in allegedly one on one meetings

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with students. The thing that she's
probably most criticized for is a statement she

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made in the Philadelphia Inquirer, my
hometown newspaper, where she said something along

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the lines of the United States would
be more successful socially if it went back

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to nineteen fifties policies of stable families, not having children out of wedlocke,

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getting a job, going to work, paying taxes, high levels of religion,

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and so on. But then she's
made more controversial statements, such as

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apparently saying on a radio show that
she's only had ever one or two black

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students in her teaching career, whoever
graduated in the top part of her classes.

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She allegedly has said that they're too
much immigration, too much, too

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much immigration coming from Mexico and Asia, especially because they vote for Democrats,

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and saying that some students might not
be at Penn or in the IVY leagues

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if it were not for affirmative action. So apparently the breaking news was over

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the weekend that the dean of Penn
has now recommended to the university that Amy

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Wax be fired and she's not protected
by academic freedom, but instead has made

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statements that make students, faculty,
and staff feel unsafe and have denigrated them.

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Again, So, guys, do
you think that what's happened is protected

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by academic freedom or is this a
big mistake? Would be a big mistake

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by Penn? And again, also
what is to be done about this as

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well? So Lucretia, let's start
with you this time. This whole idea

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that words can harm people makes me
want to throw up and throw things.

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Okay, I'm so sick of the
idea that I say something to someone and

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they're so weak and pathetic and useless
that my words cause them harm. So

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that's let's just stipulate that from the
get go. Of course, academic freedoms

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one of those things. It's in
the eye of the beholder these days.

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And you know, I don't think
academic freedom is going to save her.

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I think she ought to stand on
the defensive libel and say what everything she

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says is true? And how can
they in any way shape or form criticizer

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for saying things that we all know
are true. That's, of course,

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her real sin is pointing out the
very, very obvious that everybody understands implicitly,

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but nobody can say that, because
then we'd have to face the awful

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fact that what we've done to scores
and generations of young minority students is just

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ruin their lives, right, that's
what we've done. We've ruined them from

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the time they start at a very
young age by making sure they grow up

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in families without intact households. We've
ruined them by putting them through the worst

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god awful urban city school districts governed
by teachers unions who are the most vile

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unions on the planet, and not
saying something. We've ruined them by promoting

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them when they shouldn't be, by
not insisting that they learned to read,

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instead providing them with lots of crap
instead. I mean, there's it goes

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on and on in the ways that
we have ruined minority students, especially those

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who grow up in urban areas or
inner city areas or poorer areas. And

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to point that out, of course, is just to acknowledge on the left

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that they have, whether purposeful or
not. That was the question I asked

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you at the end last week.
Guys, if you'll recall, was this

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whole thing purposeful or was it just
a monumental failure of brought about by idiots.

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I'm inclined toward the former, and
that's why I think the pushback on

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this sort of thing is so hard. Yes. So yeah, first of

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all, let's add a couple more
details in John, you mentioned that op

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ed article she wrote in the summer
in the Philadelphia Inquired or what five or

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six years ago now? She co
wrote that with Larry Alexander from University University

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of San Diego school. Yeah,
and what was interesting was you summarize the

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claims very well. It was basically, you know, get married, finished

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high school, The statistics show you
won't be poor if you do that,

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and so forth. That is widely
accepted social science. And they published that

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op ed article and there was this
huge eruption, including from Dean ted Ruger

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at Penn because the students were upset
or somebody was. Also the University of

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San Diego Law School, the dean
issued a statement condemning Larry Alexander on that

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article. What utterly shameful performance by
those deans responding to a student mob who

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are upset by what, as I
say, why they accepted one of the

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first persons who put that together,
those themes together. It wasn't so much

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Charles Murray. It was Bill Galston
when he was working for Bill Clinton in

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the late nineties, a work for
Walter Mondale, a liberal Democrat. You

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know, he's the token Democrat at
the Wall Street Journal editorial page. This

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is not outrageous, wild, crazy
right wing stuff. And yet there was

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this eruption over it, and Dean
Ruger talk about bad fate. I mean,

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if you object to that op ed, there is something wrong with that

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guy in his head. So now
we fast forward to things. And by

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the way, you know, John, you and I both know Amy a

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bit. You may know her better
than I do. Let's add for listeners,

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what an extraordinarily impressive person she is. She's not only free where she

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went to law school and all the
other credentials she has in law and having

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won many teaching awards at Penn.
She's also a medical doctor. She went

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to Harvard Medical School, worked in
what neuralscience or something. I mean,

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you know, you hardly find someone
of more impeccable credentials of expertise than her.

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Now I don't I don't quite agree
with her about, for example,

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you know, Asian immigration. I
think you see Asian voters are starting to

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move more to the right because guess
what they've woken up to. What also

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trying to do to them? A
little behind the curve on that. But

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that's a little thing. I mean, who you know, all right?

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What the heck? A lot of
the other things in that article, either

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out of context and so forth.
And again this gets back to and I

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said it a moment ago, academic
freedom seems to me now you have the

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freedom to agree with the left and
nothing else. And so this is pretty

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shameful on Dean Ruker's part and everybody
else. And you know Porty Amy and

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I've talked to her some. I
mean, this is this is Warren on

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her? Is it? What on
anybody? And she's a pretty tough person.

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So what do you think will happen? Who knows what's happening right now?

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Whether there are enough adults to say, you know, I don't care

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how offensive you find her views,
Firing her would be a very black mark

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for pen, which I think it
obviously would be. I'll just add,

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by the way, I mean,
I don't you know I've told Lucretia of

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the story. I'm not sure i've
told you, John, you know,

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I did have. I had had
a handful of black students who are absolutely

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stellar. This one lady I had
who was so good in class, top

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grade in my class at Colorado,
and I was encouraging her to apply to

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Ivy League law schools because I knew
she could do the work. And she

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says to me in her quiet voice, I'm afraid I would only get in

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as an affirmative action in Mitty And
I'm you know. And the subtext was

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I'm not sure I could do the
work. And I reassured her, Oh,

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no, you can stand up against
anybody because you're that good. She

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did, By the way, he
go to an Ivy Lea law school and

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did very well. I had another
student I don't never told you about this,

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John. I had this one student
in my undergraduate class, said there

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at Berkeley in con law, and
he did a lot of extra reading.

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He'd come up after class and asked
me about Richard Epstein, and clearly he

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was reading you know, very widely. He'd asked me about liberal authors and

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you know, obviously a curious,
motivated student. I said him, one

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day, you're gonna love this,
John, what do you want to be

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when you grow up? And he
said, I swear to God, he

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said, I want to be Paul
Clement. Right for listeners, Paul Clement

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is one of the premier Supreme Court
advocates. So why do you want to

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be Paul Clement. Well, I've
watched him or listened to these oral arguments

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on YouTube and he's really good.
So, by the way, John said,

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you want to meet him because you
know I know him slightly and actually

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fixed up for him to go spend
fifteen minutes with Paul Clement and his law

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office. Is like, you know
anyway, so you know there are some

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out there and they are the ones
who lose the worst from the political correctness

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about affirmative action and all the rest
of that. Um, I'm just sorry.

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I just love telling stories about students
like that. Here's the problems.

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Here's the problem. I don't know
anything about those students you just mentioned.

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My guess is that they probably had
a decent amount of good parenting whatever might

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be. Maybe not there are some
that there are students a white, black,

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Asian otherwise who managed to pull through
no matter what, because they're very,

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very bright. But the point of
the matter is, if you just

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go by a colorblind society, you
will not achieve the kind of minority representation

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that everybody thinks we should have.
That is not, however, in my

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opinion, because minorities are fundamentally dumber
or less capable. It's because they are,

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in many cases subject to the worst
that our society can possibly offer them

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all along the way. You don't
start being a Harvard Law school star if

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you didn't have a mom who taught
you to read by the time you were

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four years old. You just need
that encouragement, You need that home life,

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you need books, you need good
teachers. There's a whole lot of

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things that get you there. And
rather than face the fact that the left,

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with their war and poverty, the
left their support for educational unions,

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teachers unions, and all those other
things have destroyed the lives of countless young

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people. Rather than face that,
then they have no choice but to fall

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for diversity. Well, first of
all, for affirmative action. And when

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firmative action, affirmative action isn't enough
to guarantee success in college or graduate school,

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law school, what have you.
Then, of course you've got to

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do things I get rid of MCATs, get rid of l SAPs, get

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rid of grades entirely, and so
that you still don't have to face the

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fact that you haven't properly prepared these
young people to be successful, and you've

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pushed them forward where they don't belong. Those are all problems the left refuses

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to face. And that's why the
Amy Waxes of the world have to be

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shut up and can't be allowed to
speak. Yeah, that's all I'm going

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to say. I find out by
the way, I really do you know,

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remember they even remember there was that
woman in Chicago who taught in like

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the worst of the worst inner Marva
Collins. It was Marva Collins. I

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met her once, yes, yeah, and remember she was teaching Shakespeare.

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And of course you can't honor people
like that because they they undermine the message,

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they undermine everything, because it would
it would mean that we would have

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to look at the real problems that
plague our society and not just try to

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fix them with a sort of unjust
band aid. By the time that students

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get into medical school. You know, that's the problem, and it drives

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me crazy. It makes me marry
their person like that. Who I also

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got to meet was him Escalante.
They made a movie about in the nineties.

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I got to meet him once when
he when he went to Sacramento after

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having huge success teaching hundreds of Hispanic
kids at a very poor school in south

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central LA or East LA how to
do calculus. And at first people thought,

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oh, they must be cheating if
they're passing these tests. They weren't

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cheating. He was that gifted the
teacher. I saw why, that's right.

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I saw why when I got to
spend half a day with the guy

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and they ran him out of that
school because of never mind, you know

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how that the rest of that story
goes. Yeah, so there you go.

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Yeah, that's I did leave that
out. I mean, I've had

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a number of black students who are
really gray and they all came from intact

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families. I think that may be
the common denominator. Yeah, so,

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okay, okay, guys, let's
move on to our next issue, which

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is tangentially related, not even tangentially
to the issues that has raised, and

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that Lucretia was just talking about which
was that the San Francisco City Council I

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just can't resist, sess me and
Steve live here. We may be paying

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extra in our tax bills in the
future because the San Francisco City Council is

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currently considering, has been taking testimony
as issue to report, and is considering

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whether to give reparations for slavery.
This is California, which entered the Union,

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if I remember correctly, in eighteen
fifty as a free state, and

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was law known in the United States. I believe for its progressive of racial

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attitudes, long before Brown versus Board
of Education. I think California is today

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a great example of many races living
together. But nonetheless, the San Francisco

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City Council thinks that it's time for
the taxpayers of the city, despite all

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the crime, despite the failing schools, despite the hollowing out of the inner

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cities, it's time to pay reparations
for slavery. Steve, as a fellow

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per taxpayer of California who made at
some point I have to pay higher taxes,

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look at this. What do you
think? Well, so, first

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of all, it's the initial reparations
down payment. This is important downpayment.

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Five million dollars. You don't even
have to necessarily be the descendant of an

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ex slave. The I read through
the report, by the way this commission

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produced, it's I don't know,
eighty pages long, and it's every radical

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left racial grievance you can imagine.
And so what you have is housing discrimination

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and segregation and jobb and so all
these things add up to a big debt.

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It's not just reparations for slavery,
it's reparations for skin color. And

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so it turns out that a recent
immigrant to the United States from say Haiti

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would be eligible to five million dollars
a person. I did rough back of

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the envelope math of, you know, the number of blacks in San Francisco,

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which has been dwindling because they're getting
priced out by the uppies until recently

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when even the uppies have left,
and it's I forget the figure, but

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it's some multi billion dollar figure.
It would amount to something like, well,

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I don't remember, but several hundred
thousand dollars per household of non black

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residents of San Francisco. Who's going
to stay to pay that? But then

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it went on to say there should
also be for the next what twenty years

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or something. A minimum annual income
provided to all black people in San Francisco,

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something like ninety five thousand dollars a
year, so five million plus a

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guaranteed annual income for a couple of
decades. Now this is looney tunes,

608
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.559
of course, Steve. But look, yeah, you know that's a good

609
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:13.039
quick question. If I moved to
San Francisco and identify as a impoverished black

610
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.119
woman, can I get reparations?
Probably it's not clear. I mean,

611
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:21.400
you know, I think you have
to actually prove anything, or can you

612
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.239
just identify as well? You know, this is a good question. You

613
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:29.559
know, we're back to the sort
of one drop rule, which used to

614
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.360
be you know, one of the
odious things about racism in the Old South,

615
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.159
and now we're back to approving of
that for qualifications for you know,

616
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:42.360
firmative action and so forth. I
have to do that by genetic testing or

617
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.719
can you just claim it? That's
a good question too. Look, no,

618
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:52.599
nobody's thought this through. It's completely
preposterous and trying to make Yeah,

619
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:58.079
well but well but the okay,
one of the broader points is the city

620
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.199
council voter for this because they don't
dare vote against it, and Gavin Newsom

621
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:07.360
signed the bill to set up a
separate state wide commission, which has said

622
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.639
there must be some kind of recompense
made. They didn't name a figure,

623
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:15.519
but the figure that a lot of
people advocated in testimony to this committee or

624
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.679
commission that was put together and approved
by Gavin Newsom was something like at least

625
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.119
three hundred thousand dollars per person,
a lot lower than San Francisco. And

626
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.840
you know, how is Gavin Newsom
going to run for president? I'll just

627
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:32.360
end with this. I did see
a tweet from her worship Nicole Hannah Jones,

628
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.679
and she actually said this, and
I couldn't believe she wasn't pulling her

629
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.079
leg except I think she has no
sense of humor. She said, Oh,

630
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.920
I don't understand why white people are
upset about this reparations payment. They

631
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.639
won't pay it. The federal government
will pay it. She actually said that

632
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:52.719
in a tweet. And they,
Oh, we're just talking to Looney tunes

633
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.840
land now, right, what you
know, print money like Silicon Valley Bank.

634
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:00.199
I don't know. That's all I
could want forever. But that's enough.

635
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:09.119
Lucresia, Lucresia, your thoughts about
the San Francis. I can't even

636
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:15.000
it's too stupid to contemplate. I'm
sorry, it's just the whole idea since

637
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.960
it was first mentioned, what twenty
five years ago, I don't even know,

638
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:25.440
Steve, you'll know it's it's ludicrous. Slavery was a terrible, terrible

639
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.880
sin against humanity committed by this country. There is no doubt about that.

640
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:39.159
There There is nobody who can show
direct, direct suffering in this life as

641
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:45.559
a result of any connection whatsoever to
slavery. And it goes totally against the

642
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.400
concept of the rule of law that
no one can be made a part of

643
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:57.039
the remedy who was not part of
the injury. I never owned a slave.

644
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.920
I would guess that even you two
never owned a slave. And so

645
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.079
why are you on the hook for
paying somebody who never was a slave,

646
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:10.840
who doesn't even know a relative who
was a slave, any kind of reparations

647
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:16.760
reparations for what I mean, it's
just again, I can't I don't even

648
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:22.960
know how to prepare a sustained argument
against it, because it's so stupid.

649
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.039
I can't believe that we're even discussing
it. But I know not that we

650
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.280
hear, but that anybody is,
but I know we are, so I

651
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:35.000
suppose I probably ought to formulate and
articulate a reasonable response to I just can't.

652
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:39.119
It's so well dumb. Well,
well, let me mention one possible

653
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.639
parallel that I'm surprised hasn't burnout.
More so, you know, as we

654
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:50.119
know of the good Progressive rounded up
Japanese Americans and put them in the tension

655
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.119
camps during World War two, so
we thought there were a security risk.

656
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.119
And after the war was over and
a lot of them lost their businesses and

657
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.280
homes because you know, they didn't
have income, couldn't pay mortgages, forth.

658
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.360
All right, in late four days, there was a compensation fund set

659
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.559
up. Very few claims were made, and I've always wanted I mean,

660
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.199
I don't have time, but I've
always been curious as to why there weren't

661
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:15.199
more claims made from people who had
legitimate claims. And I think maybe John,

662
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.159
and I mean your Korean, not
Japanese. I think maybe it was

663
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:22.599
sort of Asian pride or Japanese pride. I'm not sure that may be extrapolating.

664
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:30.280
But now fast never mind that big
push for and I think it was

665
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:35.639
called reparations. But in nineteen eighty
eight, Congress passed a bill ranting twenty

666
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:42.280
thousand dollars uniform payment to all the
people who had been in the detention camps

667
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.039
of World War Two. Those people
were still alive, right, you said,

668
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:49.719
people who know who were still around, who had been in the camps,

669
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.119
who were still alive, Unlike you
know, the last ex slave died

670
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.960
eighty years ago, I think,
or something like that. Right, So,

671
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.000
first of all, I don't think
the comparisons are exact. But you

672
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:06.320
think al Sharpton is going to settle
for twenty thousand dollars even adjusted for inflation

673
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.199
today, of course not. That's
why they're throwing around these figures like five

674
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:15.519
million dollars plus ongoing annuities. So
you know, the only precedent that you

675
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:20.760
have is pretty modest and pretty direct
to approximate harm that you can trace out

676
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:28.000
to living people. I don't consider
that a precedent. I mean, it's

677
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.760
in our cost. It's the only
one we don't at all. We don't

678
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:37.199
the sins of our fathers. That
makes no sense. We have an entire

679
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:44.119
legal injustice system built on the responsibility
of the individual, not on your father,

680
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.000
not on your grandfather, not on
your great grandfather's great grandfather or whatever

681
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:52.719
it might be. In either direction, I am not responsible for the sins

682
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.960
of it. I don't get the
benefits of unless there's some sort of legal

683
00:54:55.119 --> 00:55:00.760
thing that handed down to me,
some sort of inheritance. Other than that

684
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:04.239
what happened, of course, you
know, being an orphan like I am,

685
00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.159
I don't even know. Maybe I
maybe I am part ex slave.

686
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.800
You know, my part of my
family grew up in Alabama and Georgia,

687
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:14.679
so maybe they are. I don't
know, but it's certainly I mean,

688
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:20.239
it's so stupid. It goes against
every basic tenet of our rule of law

689
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:23.039
that we even consider something so ludicrous, like you say, if you want

690
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:29.360
to talk about reparations for actual persons
who were actually in a concentration camp,

691
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:34.039
my best friend's father in high school
was one of those. He was in

692
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:39.480
Red Mountain, and he was very
active in a group in a Japanese group

693
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:46.360
of former I guess concentration camp whatever
it was called detention camp people. But

694
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.599
but it wasn't a we hate you, it wasn't we hate the United States.

695
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.400
It was just kind of a support
group. I don't recall him ever

696
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.079
looking for reparations or anything like that. He was a good American. He

697
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:07.000
it's it's I can't even it's so
dumberant, I mean, unable of articulating

698
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:13.760
anything. Sorry about my dogs,
anything even coherent. Sorry, it's the

699
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:17.320
rare day, John, when you
get a subject so outrageous that it defies

700
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:23.559
Lucretia's ranting out some of them like
I can sort of ground in an important

701
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:30.199
something. This one's just stupid,
beyond all believes. Oh sorry, sorry,

702
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:37.920
John, Here's no. No,
here's something that may prove more outrageous,

703
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:42.039
maybe not more, but on a
different plane, different kind of outrageousness,

704
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:46.199
but also taking place in California.
Sorry for that. And this is

705
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:52.679
the bailout of Silicon Valley Bank,
So you may recall that at the end

706
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:58.719
of last week, it turns out
that Silicon Valley Bank, which is a

707
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:05.079
bank that really caters to its namesake, to the Silicon Valley community, could

708
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:10.119
not cover its deposits. That depositors
were asking for their money back, which

709
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:19.239
Silicon Valley Bank had unwisely loaned out
in the form of long term government securities

710
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:24.000
at a time when interest rates are
rising, and so the FDIC usually guarantees

711
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:30.400
accounts up to two hundred and fifty
thousand dollars, But in this case,

712
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:38.880
the government, the Biden administration,
decided to ensure everybody's accounts in any amount,

713
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.559
which has the effect, it seems
to me, of transferring money from

714
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:52.480
the average taxpayer to the wealthy,
to those who can have an account with

715
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.679
more than two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars in cash just sitting around. So,

716
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.079
John, Lucretia, Lucretia, what
do you think of this? You

717
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:06.000
think I'm going to jump to my
usual end and I'm going to read you

718
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:13.000
two Babylon Bee headlines. The first
one, Bay Bank leads hard lesson that

719
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.440
if they invest their money irresponsibly,
the government will bail them out. And

720
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:20.079
you can just think that one through. And then the other one is because

721
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:22.320
you kind of made two main points
there, and these support both of them.

722
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.880
Man struggling to feed family, just
glad he could help out bank.

723
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.480
There was another one, by the
way, Lucretia from the Bee saying Biden

724
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.920
promised us to tax billionaires on relief
he just gave to billionaires. I think

725
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.960
that's ow I mean, I think
the first one, in some ways,

726
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.880
the first one is much much more
of a problem than the second one,

727
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.000
the first one being that the Bay
you know, banks learned the hard lesson

728
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:52.159
that if they invest their money irresponsibly, the government will bail them out.

729
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:57.920
That's really the point. And you
know, gosh, if I'm the person

730
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.519
who's got a couple thousand dollars in
my savings account and my checking account runs

731
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:07.679
three to four hundred dollars, if
I'm lucky surplus after I've paid my bills,

732
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.119
okay, I don't bank shop.
I don't move my money around.

733
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.159
I don't make sure it's in a
secure because it doesn't really matter. You

734
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:21.559
know, the last Babylon bie man
survives bank failure crisis by not having any

735
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:27.480
money in the first place. If
you if you are investing millions, and

736
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:32.440
you know that the FDIC insurance limit
is two hundred and fifty, it is

737
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.679
your responsibility to make sure that your
money is safe. You do not need

738
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.519
to put it all in Silicon Valley
Bank or anywhere else. I'm sorry,

739
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:50.880
I it's and the idea that we
should be bailing out any bank is crazy

740
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:52.039
to me. I thought it was
wrong in two thousand and eight. People,

741
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.639
Oh well, we did it in
two thousand and eight, the circumstances

742
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:58.039
were different, but I don't think
we should ever do that. We have

743
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:02.639
an FDIC. We we will secure
your deposits up to two hundred and fifty

744
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:06.760
thousand dollars, just like we say. And if you happen to have invested

745
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.039
more, sorry, wait and see
what happens. Maybe you'll get some of

746
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:14.360
your money back. Maybe you'll learn
next time, and maybe you'll fire the

747
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.360
woke, stupid idiots who were in
charge of that bank in the first place,

748
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.960
and you won't put your money back
there. That's what I think.

749
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.599
Yeah, so, oh, boy, Steve, before he starts, not

750
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:30.639
about Steve hold on, let me
just alf so throw in the criticisms or

751
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:37.679
complaints that maybe this was also due
to the fact that this occurred in Silicon

752
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:43.559
Valley in California, where there's been
a lot of political support for the Biden

753
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:50.239
administration and the Democratic Party. And
would this have happened had it been the

754
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:55.320
Bank of right, the Bank of
mar Ilago, Florida, or the Bank

755
01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.920
of Iowa. Yeah, that's right. If it had been this had been

756
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:05.119
uh, you know, the Boulder
Valley Bank in Colorado still be just as

757
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.079
woke and all the rest of that. But but Silicon Valley Bank was the

758
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:12.800
bank of the tech bros. And
everybody across the political spectrum hate Silicon Valley

759
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:19.239
these days, mostly for good reasons. Uh so for those taking big contributions

760
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.840
from them. But anyway, well, right now, so, I mean,

761
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.840
so this is an amazing thing.
So realize it's three or four point

762
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:29.239
quick points. Realize that they say, oh, this is a one time

763
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:31.079
only thing. Well, who believes
that? We should be precise by the

764
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:34.960
way, lucretion, We're not bailing
out the bank. We're bailing out the

765
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.840
depositors. Yeah, that's what they
meant. Well, okay, but that's

766
01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:43.480
different than bailing out the bank itself. Well, but but if you're going,

767
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.800
here's the point, you bail out
the depositors up to two hundred and

768
01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:52.159
fifty thousand dollars each, right,
that's bailing out the depositors. If you

769
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:57.239
bail out more than that, I
don't even know how that's legal. How

770
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:02.239
is that legal? Steve Wells,
there's an exception for I'm told this by

771
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.639
and including by people I think are
pretty serious about it. Although the Wall

772
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:12.880
Street Journal casts down on this that
there's a there's an exception for something that

773
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.239
poses a systemic risk to the banking
system, and that's what they're hanging their

774
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:21.000
hat on. Could this be a
legal challenge that raises the major questions doctrine?

775
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.400
I don't know. But by the
way, I'm just saying passing fd

776
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:32.039
I see that great comedian JP Sears
calls the fdic F dick, which I'm

777
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:37.400
gonna go with thee. Let me
ask you guys. You guys are rich

778
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:45.000
guys. Ever listen, listen to
the woman who buys crates of Italian right,

779
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:51.760
have you ever moved money because you
had too much in a single deposit?

780
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:58.519
Uh? No, but I wish
I could have? Ye, John,

781
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:01.000
You're lying. I wish I had
to worry about that. Seriously,

782
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:06.880
I mean, isn't that what responsible
people do? Well? Look, I

783
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:08.559
mean one of the things to be
said is, so, you know one

784
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:14.000
of the companies that had well,
Roku, you know, the Roku gaming

785
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.679
or whatever that platform is. They
had something like five hundred million dollars streaming

786
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:22.360
TV stream Yeah, streaming TV.
But okay, they had five people that

787
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:27.920
are accountants who are trained to understand
the stupid banking system. Why would they

788
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.639
do something so stupid? Well,
it wasn't there. I mean they didn't

789
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:34.760
have all their money there. They
had like twenty five percent of their working

790
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.119
capital, So that means that two
billion. They had five hundred million dollars

791
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.800
with the Silicon Valley Bank. Here's
the point let me finish this, which

792
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:45.360
is, if you say to them, okay, we're not guaranteeing your deposit

793
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:49.639
under over two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars, Silicon Valley Bank is insalved.

794
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.880
They can't meet the demand for cash, but they still have about two hundred

795
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.920
billion dollars in assets. Maybe the
mark to market value is now only one

796
01:03:57.039 --> 01:03:59.880
hundred and fifty billion. The point
is, if you had worked this out

797
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.079
like we'd always worked out every other
bank that failed and had depositors over the

798
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:10.000
limit, they probably would have gotten
back three hundred million dollars. They weren't

799
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.639
going to be wiped out because there
were still assets at the bank. And

800
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.119
by the way, the fact that
those assets fell here's the problem. They

801
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:19.639
cut to the bottom line here,
which is what's really bothering me about how

802
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:24.920
this is unfolding. Is they say, oh, regulatory failure, the San

803
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:31.079
Francisco fad Trump loosen regulatory oversight and
all kinds of red herrings. The point

804
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:34.840
is is we're going to get out
of this is calls from in Congress to

805
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:39.800
have even more strict regulation of banks. I'll bet we're going to get that,

806
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.440
because realize what we've now done is
we've now nationalized something like seventeen trillion

807
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.440
dollars in bank deposits, which is
ridiculous. And so to avoid the catastrophe

808
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:54.440
that might have attached to taxpayers,
this bit about FDAC as an insurance fund

809
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:58.639
is a fiction, of course,
is going to mean that even more so,

810
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.239
we're gonna get Dodd Frank on steroids. We're going to get even more

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regulation of banks, and what will
come with that is walk guidelines on how

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they should make loans. And you
know it's going to get worse. The

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next banks are going to be ten
times worse than Silicon Valley Bank in their

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walkyrie and the way they politicize their
loans. And that's going to be how

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this all ends up, I'm afraid. So it's a total disaster all the

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way around. One point to make
about what Steve says, and this was

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a point I did not see what
Richard Epstein brought it to my attention was

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that if you look at the board
if Silicon Valley Bank, only one of

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them was a banker. The rest
of them seemed determined to pursue diversity,

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equity and inclusion initiatives and spend quite
a bit of time trumpeting the support of

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the bank for a diversity, global
warming efforts and so on, but not

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investing the bank's assets widely. So
now I just wanted to say before I

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close us out, I just as
a personal disclosure, I bank at an

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owned stock in the main competitor,
Silicon Valley Bank, which is called First

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Republic Bank, a bank I really
like, although their stock price has been

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diving too, But I just thought
I had disclose that. So I don't

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think it has any effect on criticizing
Silicon Valley Bank and the ineptitude of its

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management, but I thought we should
make that disclosure. Lucuisia, do you

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want to add anything about Silicon Valley
Bank before we biden assure as Americans their

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bank deposits are safe in Ukraine.
I have nothing more to say. You

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know me, I'm not an economist, but it seems to me that this

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is a really simple thing and we
shouldn't be bailing it. We should be

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whatever was Steve said, that probably
all makes sense. I just one of

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our friends, Steve yo Recall said, it makes perfect sense to me.

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These are the people that's reported Biden, and so he has to bail them

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out. He has no choice.
Sorry, I don't see it that way.

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Whatever happened to people have to do
the right thing because it's the right

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thing to do. That's going to
be my new mantra. And we can

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debate about what the right thing to
do, but nobody on earth can say

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it's the right thing to do for
Biden to take millions and millions, hundreds

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of millions of dollars and give it
back to rich people who are too stupid

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to manage their money wisely. I'm
sorry, that's just my thought on the

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matter. Okay, Well, this
is this follow up on the Creatius point,

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bringing it to a close. This
is another example of the progressives who

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allegedly care about the poor bailing out
the rich again, just like the student

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loan program that they're trying to put
an effect, which is actually transferring wealth

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like this does from the poor and
average American to the upper middle class and

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rich Americans. That doesn't make sense. Okay, let me bring this episode

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to close. We're about at the
hour mark, and as always, always

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drink your whiskey. Neat, let's
go. Brandon and I have to say

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I don't have a commonism unfortunately,
and this is this quote is going to

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drive Lucretia bonkers. I have a
unfunny but funny quote from our vice president.

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So our vice president saw fit to
go on to a late night take

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talk show to criticize Rod de Santis's
recent comments about supporting Ukraine during the war

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with Russia as not being a vital
national security interest. The vice President said,

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if you really understand the issues,
you probably would not make statements like

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that. And the reason why,
according to the vice President, is when

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you have that experience, you understand
the need to stand And here's the quote,

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firm and clear about the significance of
sovereignty and territorial integrity, the significance

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of standing firm against any nation that
would try to take by force another nation.

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I thought she was talking about the
southern border, but I was wrong.

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She was talking about I have one
for you back. Stephen. Colbert

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finally gets someone to laugh at his
show, and of course it was Kamala

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cackling God. The creation steam has
always It's been a pleasure and I can't

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wait to talk with you guys next
Friday. How fun in Florida. Go

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get a tan damn to Flolorida.
Welcome you to the Sunshine State. They're

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kicking back and soaking up every day
Florida. I'm in Florida. The sun

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is setting over Temple Day. It's
like a Caribbean Holliday in everything Florida.

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We got checked down on South Beach, the Dolphins, to springtime for the

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Yankees, and the Dodger blue golf
courses, beaches. It's easy to spite

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them. You like legated Ricochet.
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