WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.080 You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. It becomes very easy in 2 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:15.640 times of pain, when you're going through a struggle or some suffering, to 3 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:24.120 bury yourself in that pain and suffering and use it as an excuse to do 4 00:00:24.199 --> 00:00:33.520 something wrong. There will be pain, there will be suffering in this life. 5 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:42.560 There will be injustices. And as a Christian, you are not immune 6 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:50.159 to suffering. And if you think for one moment that because you believe in 7 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.560 God, that life's going to be peachy, that's not the truth. And 8 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:56.600 there are some preachers out there that would love to tell you that everything's going 9 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.240 to be okay and there's never going to be any suffering and the wrong or 10 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:07.040 that a good godly person who is pushing sin out of their life won't have 11 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:11.840 pain and suffering, and that is wrong as well. No, as a 12 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.879 Christian, you are not immune to suffering. But God calls you to handle 13 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.640 it in a different way, and that's what sets you apart. The world 14 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:26.359 will tell you to handle it completely different. The world tells you that pain 15 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:32.760 and suffering is an excuse to do wrong, a justification for bad behavior. 16 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:46.319 But God says differently. One Peter four verses twelve through nineteen. I'll focus 17 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:49.120 on nineteen, but I want you to hear the context. Dear friends, 18 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.840 do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something 19 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:59.120 strange were happening to you, But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of 20 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:05.959 Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when His glory is revealed. If 21 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.479 you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for 22 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:14.680 the spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, 23 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.919 it should not be as a murderer or a thief, or any other kind 24 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:28.479 of criminal, or even somebody who meddles in other people's affairs. However, 25 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.159 if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God 26 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:37.960 that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with 27 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.680 the family of God. And if it begins with us, what will the 28 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.280 outcome be for those who do not obey the Gospel of God? And if 29 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:51.680 it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the 30 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:59.800 ungodly and the sinner? Listen to verse nineteen. So then those who suffer 31 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:07.000 according to God's will should commit themselves to the fateful Creator and continue to do 32 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:19.080 good. You can't use pain and suffering as an excuse as justification to do 33 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:25.919 wrong. As a believer, you're called to more than that. You're called 34 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.199 in the state of suffering one to recognize God, give glory to God, 35 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:38.560 and to to continue to do good. To press on with an attitude of 36 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:47.360 grace and kindness through the pain. It's very easy, even at the slightest 37 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:52.960 bit of discomfort. I see people use it as a justification to do bad 38 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.599 things or to act poorly towards others. Oh I'm sorry, I'm tired, 39 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:06.919 or I'm sick, I'm in pain. You can't use these times of pain 40 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:14.879 and suffering as an excuse to do wrong or even evil. The cause is 41 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:20.319 lost at that point. There will be times where you will be treated poorly 42 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:30.399 by others and by circumstances, and if you use that just as an opportunity, 43 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:35.680 just as an excuse to go out and do wrong, you will lose 44 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:45.439 all ground, all authority, all true justice, and all that will be 45 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:51.360 seen is that you that you used it as an excuse. Now it doesn't 46 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:57.439 matter why you are suffering, because all you did is cause more suffering and 47 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:05.600 how is it better that this suffering that you caused in comparison to the suffering 48 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:15.000 that was caused to you? How does that balance things out? And in 49 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:21.680 a time where it seems every where you turn someone is looking for an excuse 50 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:30.279 or justification for doing wrong, you will be driven to the point of anger 51 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:34.399 by other people. You will be poked and prodded, and it as a 52 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:45.920 believer, it could be multifold because people will look for ways to get you 53 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:51.160 riled up. People will look for ways to make you break down and reject 54 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:56.040 your faith, reject what you believe. And it's not just about believing in 55 00:05:56.079 --> 00:06:01.399 God. It's about how that belief manifests in your life. And here in 56 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:08.920 one Peter four twelve through nineteen, it focuses on how you should continue to 57 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:15.199 give your life to God and even have points of pride when you're in pain, 58 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:20.040 knowing that you're suffering for and with Christ. And when I suffered, 59 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:25.160 it was for you, and when you suffer, it'll be for me. 60 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:32.480 But more than all of that is that in that time of pain, how 61 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:42.160 you hold yourself, how you conduct yourself as a Christian, as a believer, 62 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.000 as a human being, not to use it as an opportunity to do 63 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:53.160 evil. Rich, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Well, good morning, 64 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.759 hi, Rich. How can I help you? I was just wondering, 65 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.759 are you familiar with Andrew Centric and the Christo centric viewpoint of Romans three 66 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:10.920 around twenty through thirty one is So the battle, just to keep it at 67 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.279 an audience level, the battle between those that believe and through Centric is dealing 68 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:20.160 with that. It's about man and the christ Centric is obviously focused on the 69 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:25.240 Act on the Cross. So the dilemma or what people battle with do you 70 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.639 get to heaven based on something you do as a human or do you get 71 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.399 to heaven based on something Christ did on the cross? Right? Well, 72 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:38.120 it's more a little more specific than that. I'm trying. I'm trying to 73 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:41.439 thin it out for the group here. Let's make sure we don't heaven through 74 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:46.399 my belief or do I get through heaven through through Christ act of belief? 75 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:54.399 Okay, this is it. There is nothing added to the cross. The 76 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:58.279 sole act on the cross, the blood on the cross is what opens the 77 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:07.439 pathway the possibility of salvation the end That salvation is a gift only, but 78 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.600 that gift does have to be received. So if you think that that is 79 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:18.720 some sort of human centric aspect to it, I think that would be a 80 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.800 misunderstanding of that. But yes, you have to receive it. But there's 81 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:26.439 nothing you can add to the act on the cross to make it more valuable 82 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.639 or less valuable. You can't add or subtract. You can only receive it. 83 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:35.960 So if that reception to you is some sort of work or addition to 84 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:41.960 the cross, that's that's up to your interpretation. But there is nothing that 85 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:48.960 could be added to the cross. Edward, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 86 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.440 Hi Jesus, how you doing good, Edward? What's going on? 87 00:08:52.240 --> 00:09:00.720 Well? I called you about four years ago, and I'm strugg with kind 88 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.120 of going through life. I've had, you know, a lot of failed 89 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:11.120 relationships, marriages and jobs, and I'm raising my daughter. I'm a single 90 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:16.399 dad, and you know, I haven't worked in a while. You know, 91 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:22.159 I lost my father last year, and it just I almost feel like 92 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.360 like a mini job. I just feel like I kind of got to the 93 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.200 point where I had some big hobbies. I've always been a hard worker, 94 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:37.799 but I've had some health issues like a stomach problem and a back problem, 95 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.879 and my favorite hobby a few months back, I just quit doing that, 96 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.559 and that was like the last thing that gave me like a lot of passionate 97 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.000 about and fun. You quit it because of lack of finances or because of 98 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.679 physically, I just lost interest. It seems like each year, like a 99 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:01.879 few more things go where I've kind of want stopped wanting to kind of do 100 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:09.600 them because of my health mentally or physically or both. And it's gotten to 101 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.519 the point now where I really don't even hardly do anything. I mean, 102 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.720 I I do a lot of stuff, but it's not like like I did 103 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:22.759 before, where you know, I did a lot of you know, yard 104 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.120 workhouse work and my hobby and just stayed really busy. And it's just kind 105 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:31.320 of like I've lost like my mojo, right, you know. And I 106 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.639 know some of it's my health. You know. You go to the health 107 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.679 practitioners, they you tell them you're depressed or you have anxiety or this or 108 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.080 that, and they they want to put you on all sorts of drugs, 109 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.080 and then you get onto that, you get on that train and and then 110 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:50.519 it's like like I didn't even sleep last night, and that that never I 111 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.799 never do that, And I don't know what you know, there was a 112 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:56.879 couple of reasons. I thought, well, maybe it was this or that, 113 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.120 but fact B I didn't sleep and uh you you you mentioned your hobbies 114 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:07.120 or any of them physical. Yeah, the one it was the one thing 115 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.000 I just always love to do since I was little with Serf, and that 116 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:15.360 would that I always had that and it was something I really loved to do. 117 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.679 And I just I don't even do that anymore because I I went out 118 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.320 and did it a few times recently and it just wasn't any fun. And 119 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.519 you know, I'm out of shape, but I don't I don't know what's 120 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.120 going on. And it's like you kind of lose you kind of start losing 121 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.960 hope, Like you know, I'm not that old, and it's like I 122 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:39.039 don't really have a career now. And in the shop market's not that great. 123 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.000 I've heard from no think think things are are tough all over right now 124 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.440 they're getting better, trust me, but they're tough all over. But but 125 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.200 Edward, I want to point out something that's that's evident already. If you 126 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:56.720 don't eat, what happens, Well, you get hungry and you get kind 127 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:03.960 of weak, okay, and then finally your body is fed in many ways. 128 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:09.639 It's fed physically with nutrients, it's fed spiritually, and it's fed intellectually, 129 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.000 and people don't see it that way. And what you're describing to me 130 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.840 is atrophy. It's the same thing if you don't move, if you don't 131 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:28.000 engage yourself, and you're probably your your emotional and intellectual metabolism was probably probably 132 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.519 faster than most. The fact that you describe many hobbies and things and probably 133 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:37.480 needs to be fed more than most. And each time you you cut one 134 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.720 of these things out of your life, or each each time you, you 135 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.120 know, stop doing something, you start to atrophy, you start to break 136 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:50.080 down, and and it's going to work against you. Hold on tight, 137 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:56.840 because I want to talk to you in just a second, Edward, you're 138 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:03.240 still there. Thanks for holding. You were talking about how you've lost a 139 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.960 little bit of a zest for life when it comes to your hobbies, the 140 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.440 things you do. You've had some ailments, you've been sick, you've had 141 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:16.000 a death, you're a single dad, right, you're not working, a 142 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.200 lot of things going against you, and you're and you're feeling it. And 143 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:28.240 I was talking about the the atrophy and how your body craves a lot of 144 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:33.240 things. It creates. It craves nutrients, but it also craves the and 145 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:39.720 has the desire to be fed intellectually and spiritually. And it sounds like, 146 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:43.960 one by one you've removed certain things from your life. And I know that 147 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:46.320 our time will go by really quickly here, but I wanted to tell you 148 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.480 that you need to retrace your steps backwards a little bit, and you need 149 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.440 to bring some of these things back into your life. Interest comes and goes 150 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.399 sometimes, but you can't trust that all the time. The body, sometimes 151 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:07.879 when it goes through little bouts with change or frustration, will start to almost 152 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.919 punish itself, saying that well, I don't deserve to have this pleasure or 153 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:15.080 I don't deserve this right. These types of interests should go away. And 154 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.360 it's not fair to you set out say, hey, some things that I 155 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:20.840 want to do. You have to have goals. When you don't have half 156 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.840 tos in your life, the want tos tend to fall by the wayside as 157 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:31.279 well, and you just kind of stop being a human being. You just 158 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.320 stop because you think, oh, well, I can't do this or I 159 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.240 can't do that. And it doesn't mean that expensive hobbies should you know, 160 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.480 be more important than saving money or any of these things. No, but 161 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:48.039 spending that time, especially with God's creation and like you did with surfing, 162 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.879 or doing things that are active, and then your body starts to change. 163 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.840 Like you said, if you're not surfing, you get out of shape. 164 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:01.000 Right now, you're just spiritually and emotionally out of shape, Edward. That's 165 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.120 it, And the only way to get back into it is to do it 166 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.559 one day at a time, the same way you would if you were working 167 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.759 out. To put yourself on a program where you inject certain things back into 168 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:18.840 your life a little bit at a time and work yourself into the ability to 169 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:26.120 do them once again and to find you know, because joy is always around 170 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.240 you. It's happiness that people seek, strangely enough, which is just little 171 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:37.000 bits of joy because of things that they're doing. And to do that again 172 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.320 you have to just kind of reverse the process, take the time and jump 173 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.759 back on. Otherwise you're going to continue to cut out one more little thing 174 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.679 and one more little thing until it's all gone and there's no ability. You 175 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:58.240 just kind of dig your own hole and now you got to climb out of 176 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:03.639 that. But it's not bottom line us and there is a way out all 177 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:07.159 those things. You know this that word, And you've built yourself up before, 178 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:12.360 and I have nothing but the utmost confidence in you that you will build 179 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:21.840 yourself up again. Verry, welcome to the Jesus Christ. Show Jesus, 180 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:29.480 Now you went to heaven from the tomb on Easter. Now when did you 181 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:36.879 return to earth to show the disciples of the holes in your hands? In 182 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.360 what sense? So? Well? There are? Yeah, I see that. 183 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:45.159 You know, you always see these pictures of you know, Jesus standing 184 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.879 there with showing his hands to the disciples, and there's holes in his hands 185 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.879 and his feet. And my sister and I were just discussing, Oh, 186 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.600 where that takes place in scripture? Yes, well, you can go to 187 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.160 the Book of John. You can go to the Book of John in chapter 188 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:07.720 twenty in verse twenty six. We'll start with verse twenty six and says that 189 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:14.279 after eight days again his disciples were inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus 190 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.039 came to the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, 191 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:22.079 peace be with you. Then he said to Thomas, reach hear your 192 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:27.799 finger and see my hands, And reach hear your hand, put it into 193 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:33.079 my side, and be not unbelieving, but believing, and it says Thomas 194 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.799 answered and said to him, my Lord, my God. Interestingly enough, 195 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:42.960 the word there God is actually Jehovah. Jesus said to him, because you 196 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:48.279 have seen me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see 197 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:55.880 and yet believed. So that may be the reference that you're looking or thinking 198 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.680 about, but keep in mind the artist depictions are artist depictions, and sometimes 199 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.720 they take license. But yes, there were those that asked, and there 200 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:08.599 were those that wanted to see because days earlier they were looking at me hanging 201 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.319 on across right. Okay, thank you very much, Jesus, you're very 202 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:22.519 very welcome. And also important in that story is the concept of of blind 203 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.720 faith. It's not so much that Thomas was being punished in any way, 204 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.079 shape or form, or you know, doubting. Thomas is referred to a 205 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:36.480 lot. You know, oh he's he doubted, he didn't have faith, 206 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:41.559 And it's not that that faith is not separate from reason or understanding at all. 207 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:48.400 This concept of blind faith is something that people have continued to perpetuate, 208 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.880 but it's really not what's asked in scripture. Faith is that which comes after 209 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.160 reason. It's that point where you can't reason anymore because you can't know. 210 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.440 And this happens on a day to day basis in the real world world as 211 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.119 well. In a court of law, you're you're doing it beyond the shadow 212 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:08.799 of a doubt. You don't have the certainty because you're dealing with a past, 213 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:15.519 singular event, an event that happened once, and you can't really go 214 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:22.559 back or recreate it in a petri dish, So you have to forensically take 215 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.920 the information that you do have and put it together to understand it better. 216 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:32.599 Now that you wouldn't say that that in a court of law the jury is 217 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:38.160 convicting somebody on blind faith, But technically that's what they're doing. That faith 218 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:44.759 has to come in at some point after all the evidence that that jury has 219 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.400 to look and say, well, this evidence points to this. We weren't 220 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:53.039 there, we didn't see it happened, but the evidence points to it happening 221 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:59.359 this way, and we're going to take that small bit of faith and jump 222 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:03.640 from this last bit of evidence that we do have and the fact that we 223 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:07.759 weren't there to see it happen and close that gap. And that's really what 224 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.559 happens with your faith when it comes to God as well. There are things 225 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:15.039 that you can know. There's a huge book that points to the things that 226 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.720 you can know. There's history and things you can know there. There's the 227 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.319 way the world works, and there's things in the natural world that point to 228 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.319 a supernatural God. And you can use all those things to understand and to 229 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.759 point you in the direction of God. But it's not about being ignorant of 230 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:34.160 the facts. Blind faith isn't ignoring what's in front of you and believing in 231 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:41.200 it anyways. And so when Thomas was here doubting, it's that he wanted 232 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.920 proof. He wanted to see, he wanted some evidence of what went down 233 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:49.279 and why, and therefore wanted to, you know, put his hand into 234 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:53.039 my side and put his finger in the holes in my hands. And that 235 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:57.039 was okay. It's not that I was punishing him in any way and saying 236 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.640 that he was less than I was, just saying there's going to come a 237 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:06.240 time where people won't have that opportunity, and that more blessed will they be 238 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:14.880 for having leaning to lean themselves upon the truth of God and not just the 239 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:22.319 evidence of man. And those things can go hand in hand. John, 240 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.799 Welcome to the Jesus, Christ, show Jesus. This is a complicated question. 241 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:33.920 Okay, Okay, God's people talk to God. God talks to God's 242 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.680 people. And here I am a valley circer boulevard where the Catholic Church is 243 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.440 right next door to the Temple, and I'd fould like to be in on 244 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.519 that conversation. So you feel how you feel like you don't have a conversation 245 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.759 with God. Well, I can have a conversation with God, and the 246 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.680 Catholics can have a conversation with God, and the Jews can have a conversation 247 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:59.680 with God. But what is God say to the Catholics about the Jews next 248 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.160 door and vice versa. Well, if you want to if you get into 249 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.880 you know, uh he said he said, or they said they said, 250 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.240 Or if you're trying to set up like the ultimate cage match between religions and 251 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.599 get them all in and say who's you know, gonna be the most truthful, 252 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:21.880 that's a that's part of the search for you. If people get kind 253 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:25.519 of weird when it comes to religion because they don't want to say anybody is 254 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:30.960 wrong. But I'll tell you religions, the different religions in this world are 255 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.599 have exclusivity to the things they say. That's any truth statement has exclusivity. 256 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.799 If you say Hi, I'm John, you can't be not John. At 257 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.599 the same time, if you're really John, just everything you say that has 258 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.519 truth. This is a one dollar bill, well, then it's not a 259 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:53.799 ten dollars bill. So every truth statement has exclusivity to it. But I'm 260 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:59.559 confused. If I'm confused, it would be on the point of when God 261 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:03.519 take to the Jewish people on Saturday morning, then he would talk to But 262 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.119 you're assuming that God talks to everybody. No, you're the assumption is that 263 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.079 God talks to everyone who says that God's talking to them, My point being 264 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.880 that they can all be wrong. Okay, if it doesn't mean because someone 265 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.279 has a church or a temple or a building with some you know, symbolism 266 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.279 on, it doesn't mean that they're talking to God. You can walk into 267 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:27.839 a grocery store and yell mom and at least fifty percent of the women will 268 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:32.119 turn around. Does that mean that all those women are the mother of the 269 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:36.400 child calling mom? No, So don't assume just because someone says they're of 270 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:41.440 a religion or a belief, that God's talking to them. But God's talking 271 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.920 to someone, and the point of your quest on this planet is to find 272 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:52.039 out who God's talking to. How would you explain it to the children? 273 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.640 How would I explain what? Well? The kids and they're both schools. 274 00:23:56.119 --> 00:24:00.640 Saint bernda Deine's has an awful lot of kids in the playard. When they 275 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.319 look at through the fence and they see Temple Alayah and the kids playing in 276 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:10.000 that playyard, how would you explain to a ten year old the difference between 277 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:12.920 the two playyards? How do you explain the difference between any truth and that 278 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.599 which is truth and that which is false. So you're trying to make it 279 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.920 about these two belief systems, and I'm saying, don't even get into that 280 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:25.440 game. Make it about what's true and what's not true? And how are 281 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.519 kids taught about anything? How do you teach a kid that two plus two 282 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:32.200 equals four and doesn't equal eight. Well, that's a simple one. Why 283 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:37.680 is that a simple one? Well, my belief has always been that if 284 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:41.799 you can't explain it to a ten year old, then it's wrong. Okay, 285 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:48.559 So quantum mechanics doesn't exist, and heavy mathematics doesn't exist, and most 286 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:55.519 science doesn't exist. That's not fair that you're actually misquoting a very good quote, 287 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.599 which is that if you know something, you should be able to simplify 288 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.480 it, to explain it. However, you can't explain everything to a child. 289 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.559 You can't. That's why they're children. If a child could comprehend everything, 290 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:14.279 then you wouldn't need an adult to teach them. Well, what would 291 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.359 you say if you were the pastor and a kid came up to you and 292 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.640 he said, how come I can't go across the Thames and play with the 293 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:25.519 Steinberg kids? What do you Why couldn't they While you're making this about Judaism 294 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:29.640 and Christianity, why couldn't they play? The truth is they're two separate schools, 295 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.359 they have separate rules, and you can't just hop the fence of another 296 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.680 school to play with those kids. I mean, it's not about segregation. 297 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:41.319 It's about that they have particular messages they're trying to teach the kids, just 298 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.720 like you know a kid at a grade school. It might be next to 299 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.279 a high school, but they're not in the high school. They're not in 300 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.920 the high school curriculum, and therefore they wouldn't be in that high school. 301 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:56.880 I don't know what you're you're trying to make a battle between Christianity and Judaism 302 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:02.279 and and and I know a lot of people are hoping for this kind of 303 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:10.160 universalism, but universalism is a cop out. It's not there are truths that 304 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.519 you can know. And if you can know truths about math or about science, 305 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:19.079 there are truths that you can know about God, and they either hold 306 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:25.160 or they don't hold. Well, the ultimate truth is God is God, 307 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.759 and one size worship and both sides are worshiping God. Why should there be 308 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:34.200 a sense between them? Because the God is just a term like mom. 309 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:40.960 Not every mom is your mom, John and not every so someone can say, 310 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:42.839 hey, your mom's picking you up from school and it not be your 311 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:48.319 mother, And that's a lie. So this concept of people saying that Gosh, 312 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:53.119 if you believe in God, then you're okay, No, because who 313 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.359 is your God? If you tell me, if you had a kid in 314 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.400 class and history class talking about Martin Luther King Jr. And And they think 315 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:07.799 he's a you know, a four foot tall Asian woman with a mohawk and 316 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.240 a limp, They're going to be wrong. So it's not about the name, 317 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:17.119 it's about the substance. Of the name. It's there's more to it 318 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.759 than just that term God. And this kind of concept that God's above all 319 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:26.079 things and therefore every religion sees God properly is wrong, because every religion sees 320 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:32.599 God differently, and those differences mean something, and they contradict And if you 321 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:38.000 say God is you know, if God is round, and the next religion 322 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.519 says God is square, and then the next person says God is a triangle, 323 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:49.000 they're different and they're contradictory. So you have to find out if God's 324 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.599 really a square, a circle, or a triangle. And there's ways to 325 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.680 do that, but just to pontificate about you know, well, how come 326 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.839 and there's disagree remans, Well, then you know, you break down all 327 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:07.200 the borders and it's one world and everybody gets along and there's one currency and 328 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.039 everybody's happy, and that's that's not the way it is. There's borders for 329 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.359 a reason. The best thing is not to say, well, I'm wearing 330 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.440 this shirt. I was born with this shirt, so this is what I 331 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:22.640 believe. It's to seek and you shall find that sounds familiar, doesn't it. 332 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.119 KFI AM six forty on demand