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Well off of a Saturday Night impressive
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He did get it. Himimongia scores
a ninth round TKO and now has

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put himself in position possibly perhaps for
a much bigger fight. We're going to

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talk about that. We're going to
discuss that and a lot more. It

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is the Fight Freaks U Night recap. I am the somewhat competent host TJ

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Reeves. He is our insider.
Fight Freaks U Night is his substack Big

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Fight Weekend dot Com insider as well. Hello Dan Rayfield. Off of a

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Golden Boy card that saw a lot
of good action, that saw some knockouts,

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got some fight news, We've got

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some good nostalgia. As always,
how are things coming off the weekend?

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You know, it was a I
guess a quiet boxing weekend, but it

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was an enjoyable card. So I'm
good. Yes, And in particular,

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Jimimongia deserves a credit for delivering against
obviously a credible opponent of former World Championship

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challenger, and he looked good from
what I So we're gonna get into that.

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the weekend Sunday evening, Sunday night
into Monday. All right, so Magia

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is the story. He does get
the stoppage. Let's get into it.

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Your thoughts on how he looked against
England's John Ryder as he dispatched him with

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a ninth round TKO. You can't
see anything other than he looked good.

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I mean, he did what he
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was the favorite for a reason.
It was a solid match from the standpoint

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that Ryder had fought in his most
recent fight last year against Cano Alvarez,

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challenging for the undisputed title. And
even though Magia, you know, who's

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a pretty humble guy, doesn't do
a lot of chirping, a lot of

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talking. He's very polite and all
that, but everybody knew that the whole

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deal here was if Mongia can go
in there and win impressively and do what

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Canelo Alvarez couldn't do, which is
to get a knockout. Even though he

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looked good against Ryder himself scored a
knockdown when a one sided decision to retain

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the super middleweight undisputed title. The
question was, could Mongia sort of give

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all of us media folks and fans
and others in the industry something to compare

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and contrast his performance against Ryder to
that of Canelo's. And so if he

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could go in there and look more
impressive than Canelo, then maybe it would

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start some sort of ground swell,
drum beat, if you will, for

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Mangia to be the guy to get
the May fourth shot against Canelo Alvarez.

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And I say that because I am
under the very strong impression that even if

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Canelo ends up fighting David Benavitez at
some point, it's not going to be

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the May fight. So if we're
accepting that, even though that's the preferred

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fight, I think for most everybody
who then is the next best available guy

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to have that shot, and it
seems to me that it's not the rumored

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fight between Canelo and Jamal Charlot,
which is in my opinion, just not

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interesting and just you know, kind
of a disgrace in my opinion, is

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that you want to see Mongia.
You know, I'd be happy if he

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thought David Morrell. I don't think
that's happening. But so the guys that

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seem realistic, Mongia is like the
best guy that you can make that match

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for that date. And so therefore
he did what what we're here talking about.

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He looked better against than Canelo.
Now riders coming off of a beatdown

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against Canelo, so perhaps that had
something to do with it. But by

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the same token, Mongia, you
know, was in his previous fight,

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in the fight of the year for
many people, and a you know,

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a hallaysious battle that he barely barely
won only by the grace of a twelve

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round knockdown against our guest Sergey devn
Chenko. So in the end you have

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Himan Mangia doing exactly what he's supposed
to do, looking good, uh,

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scoring four knockdowns overall, uh and
and scoring a knock a knockout where the

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corner threw in the towel in uh
in the uh in the ninth round.

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And on top of that, you
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fact that this was, as we
talked about in the preview, his first

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bout with the great Hall of Fame
trainer Freddie Roach as his head trainer of

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replacing uh, you know, you're
placing Eric Morales this past summer. So

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they had a full camp together and
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Freddy had him looking a little bit
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pernetic, not as not as just
wasteful with some of his shots. Uh.

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And it did a good job.
And you know, John Ryder,

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he retires, like he said,
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you know, a tip of the
hat to him because he's been a good

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dude and a you know, always
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good fights. All Right, So
let's talk about the stoppage because I thought

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this was interesting. I mean,
clearly rider in trouble down multiple times and

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then eventually the referee they had to
get the attention of the referee with the

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corner with the bell ringing again,
I defer to you because you've done this

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much longer, much more involved.
That's a rare thing. I don't know

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the last time than in the middle
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to stop the fight, because fundamentally, like you and I have talked about,

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the referee is ultimately in charge.
He's the closest one there to decide

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when it stops or not. I
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and I've gone back and watched it
back that the Dizone announcers, in

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particular Sergio Mora and Chris Mannick,
said the corner is up on the apron,

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but they don't want to throw the
towel. I didn't quite understand.

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You know, if you're up on
the apron, your guy's hurt, you've

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got the towel on your hand.
Why are you not throwing the towel?

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I realized the fighters were on the
other side of the ring from Ryder's corner.

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All right, I've said a lot
there. What did you make of

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ringing the bell to stop the fight
in the middle of the round. I've

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never seen that, to tell you
the truth that I can think of.

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However, the reason was pretty simple
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far side the ring. Wes Melton, who was known to be a pretty

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good referee from Arizona, who was
doing the fight, did a good job.

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His back was to them. There's
a lot of noise and he does

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not see what's going on. He's
doing his job, which is to focus

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on the action in front of his
face and the fighters and the condition of

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John Ryder at that moment. And
so it's not the corner. The way

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that it's supposed to work in boxing
is that the corner tells the inspector who

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was there with them at all times, to get the referee to stop the

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fight. And sometimes they get over
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towel or they'll get into the ring, like we saw in plenty of times

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over the years. You know,
Buddy MC did that with the Tallen Smith

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fight just a couple of weeks ago
when he was fighting or the Better BEF.

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So that is not an uncommon thing. So I'm not sure what the

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Zone guys were saying specifically. All
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the way they were describing, and
what ultimately happened was the corner wanted the

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fight to be stopped. And because
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so, just the and the referees, you know, with his back to

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them. The only way to do
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inspector to get that stoppage was to
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ring the bell. It wasn't like
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know, unto himself or herself and
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That would not be appropriate. They
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of the commission. And yes,
the referee you know the old rules saying

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is the only the referee can stop
the fight. Yeah, except when the

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corner he signals it's time to be
done. So I had no problem with

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stop it. It was a little
messy, I guess, you know,

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to be truthful, But it wasn't
like it was a controversy or it was

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a bad stoppage or anybody complained about
it. No, you have Haimimongia,

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you know, doing damage, having
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had him on the ropes, and
they just can't get their rest attention at

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that exact moment, and so to
make the fight stop as quickly as possible.

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That's exactly what happened because when the
bell, rang I was sort of

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confused because I know it's not the
end of the round. They were only

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like less than a minute into the
round, correct, So that's what happened

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there. And you know, John
Ryder didn't complain about the stoppage and the

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you know, it was a it
was a it was a good victory for

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Longia. You know, there are
those that might look at his career record

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and we've spent plenty of time talking
over the last you know time we've been

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doing this podcast about the the utter
disgracefulness of the opponents that that Mangia has

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generally faced. But between this win
and the devren Chenko victory, and then

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if you go all the way back
to when he was fighting, you know,

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as a young, younger fighter in
the junior middleweight division, when he

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held the title. He's got the
good win over William Smith and whatever,

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but most of them have been you
know, really disappointing type of matches.

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This was a good victory for him. Is it enough to to get him

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the Canelo fight? We'll have to
see the interesting thing about that aspect of

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it, this is TJ. He
got fans and press and everything talking about

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the possibly the Canelo fight. They
got you know, Oscar de la Hoya,

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his promoter and their team talking about
it. You got Mangia, you

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know, telling people, you know, how much he would be on or

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to fight Kenel if he would give
him opportunity, which is what he said

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to r PAL. Chris mannis in
the post fight interview on his own.

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Uh, you got everybody talking about
that prospect of the fight, but you

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don't hear anything from the PBC people
or the Canelo people, and they're the

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ones that make the decision, so
you know, they haven't made up their

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in mind yet apparently at least not
a you know, from a public standpoint

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of what his made forth assignment's going
to be the cynic in me, uh,

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my experience level of a long time
of doing this is that they're going

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to do what they want to do
and the rest of the world be damned.

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So we can sit here and pound
our chest and say we want Benavides,

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Okay, we're not going to get
that. Well, we want Monia

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and then if he's not going to
fight Benavides and they still may end up

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doing a fight against Charlot, which
to me, if they go that route

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would be about the most cynical thing
you could think of. And you know

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that knows me to it's a waste
of time. I understand it's a waste

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of time, I want to say, and I say that everybody who ever

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has listened or read or or or
watched or had any of interest in what

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I have to say my opinions,
knows I'm a Canelo guy. That's not

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a secret. I would be really, really disappointed if he goes the shore

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up in the Charlot route. I'd
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I'd rather see him fight David Morrell
than Charlo. I'd rather see him

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fight Christian and Billie than Charlot.
Of course, i'd rather see him fight

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Mongia than Charlo. And obviously David
Benavidez is number one on that list.

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Charlo doesn't even make my list.
I agree. Waste of time is the

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three year words that I'm going to
use for that. And again you make

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the point, they're gonna do what
they're gonna do, and let's be honest,

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forget about being cynical. Let's just
be realistic. Canelo Alvarez wants nothing

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to do with Oscar de la Joya. That's why he divorced him contractually.

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Why in the world is he going
to help in that regard. I'm not

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even sure that Canelo would fight Haimi
Mungia if he was mandated and was losing

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all of his titles, he'd say
so. Well, only the ones reason

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I could see it happening is if
and I don't know that this would be

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the case, but if they make
a deal that is so friendly towards the

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Canelo team, if they take such
short money just to get the opportunity,

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uh, maybe it make it's worth
their while, and he comes in at

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a price point that will cost everybody
a lot less money than it would be

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to fight some of the other names
that are better known that we talked about,

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like a Charlotte, you know,
or a Benevidia's that sort of thing,

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you know. I mean, if
if they're making a Benavedas fight,

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which is a pretty big fight,
you know, David Benavide is looking at

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like a ten million dollar perse probably
at least because I know you know this,

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he's earned that and he's in that
spot. So yes, but what

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you're saying is Mongia might fight him
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him. I'm not saying he might, I'm just saying hypothetic. If he

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made him an offer, a a
a laid out a plan of what he

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wanted that they couldn't refuse because it
was so worthwhile, maybe they could get

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it done. So I will remain
cynical about seeing Canelo against Magia because that's

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who I am. I'm just gonna
realism. It's not happening. It's gonna

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be somebody else, and hopefully it's
not Jamal Charlow. Let's hope not.

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We shall see. Okay, So
we covered that co feature fight and we

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didn't go over this a ton on
the preview podcast. We talked about it

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some, we talked about all the
bet Us show. Oscar Colaso did defend

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his WBO minimum weight or straw weight
title with a third round TKO over his

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Nikaravuen opponent Ray Nearest Gudiiras, and
he was impressive. You even said on

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the bet Us show, I see
him coming right at him. First round

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was kind of a feeling out round, and then he did come right at

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him. It did not take as
long as I thought it would take.

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I had the over. I did
get my patented rayfield text that Kalaso got

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the ko and the other I should
point out I did have the mangia anytime

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ko, so I cashed on that. But anyway, Kalaso gets the win

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in the co feature. Your thoughts
on that and what it means for his

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future at that weight or might he
be moving up? Well, I don't

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think he's moving up yet. I
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eventually move up. And the thing
about it is he's twenty seven years

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old, so it's not like he's
a young young fighter and he's going to

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outgrow the weight, you know,
in the next year or two. He

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is who he is. I mean, a lot of the strawweights that make

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their way, you know, are
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They're in the very early ages of
their career. But Calaso, you

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know, he had an amateur career, so he didn't turn pro as soon

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as a lot of other guys.
So you know, what it is is

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a breath of fresh air. If
you ask me here, you have a

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guy that's got a personality, offensive
minded, exciting, has you know,

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obviously, we'll have a fan base
in Puerto Rico, where obviously they give

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a lot of love and attention to
their champions, and he makes in some

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ways the strawweight division, at least
in our side of the world, relevant

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because most of the top champions that
have come in the straweight division are typically

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have been from Asia. I mean
with there's some exceptions of Roman Gonzales,

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Ricardo Lopez obviously or among the greats
of all time. But what Kalaso does

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is give a reason to like sort
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Now, now he is now nine
and oh with seven knockouts, He's looked

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really good in his last few fights. I'm not gonna say that it was

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anything sensational in terms of the level
of opponent that he fought in Gutiers,

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because he was an untested guy,
you know, and as they made them

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and I noticed this actually when I
looked up his record, and then they

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pointed this out on the broadcast.
He's so little known Gutierre is that if

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you go on his box wreck,
he had a black and white just a

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blank space for where his photo would
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broadcast, he has a silhouette,
so Mannix says on the broadcast, which

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I haven't actually double checked to look
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it. He said, when you
go on box Wreck as of like on

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like late Saturday, they had a
picture which was the picture of him in

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the in the clothing he was wearing
at their fighter meeting or their photo shoot

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in Phoenix, you know, leading
up to the fight, which finally have

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a photo. It's like the authorities
we have a sketch artist, or we

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have a composite drawing. Well wait
a minute, now we have an official

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photo of Gudier is yes, So
okay, so you can't they put a

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lot of stock in the opponent,
but you can just tell. I mean,

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I've watched Colaso fight before and this
was just a good offensive minded performance.

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He likes to get in there and
mix it up. Like I said,

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he's got a bit of a personality, and uh, you know,

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he wants to fight the best guys. He wants to unify. You know.

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He called out the champions from Asia, you know, the CP Freshmark

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from Thailand and the and the and
the twin brothers from Japan. Uh,

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you know, they're not big fights
from the standpoint of like mass attention,

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but they don't those fighters in those
type of fights, they don't make a

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lot of money in the first place. So if Oscar de la Hoy and

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Golden Boy can offer a reasonable amount
of money, you know, and and

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the platform like the Zone on which
for them to have, you know,

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some sort of more significant fight than
they're used to, then maybe you can

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lure one of those guys from Asia
to come here and fight where there'd be

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more money on a the Zone.
So he says he's going to be back

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in April or May. Golden Boy
will have some cards in and I'm sure

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we'll see him back in a co
feature and uh, let's see him get

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in there in the throw leather again
because he's exciting. And like I said,

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there's not a lot of there's not
a lot of strawweights that we would

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spend time talking about and right now
in current boxing, and like I said,

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at least on this side of the
world. But Oscar Calasa was the

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guy you're gonna spend some time talking
about if you're going to talk about straweights,

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And he scored some knockouts. He's
an exciting fighter to watch, so

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let's keep an eye on him.
Okay, rest of the Dezonne card,

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which we we uh the Golden Boy
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little bit on the bet Us show. I don't know if we mentioned Darius

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Fulgum and Atlantes Fox on our preview, but we did talk about it on

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the bet Us Live show Fridays at
one Eastern time when some people were asking

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about the handicapping he was on this. Gabriella Fundora, the sister of Sebastian

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Fundora, retained her flyweight title.
What else on the undercards stood out in

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Phoenix Saturday, Well, I'll just
go through the fights, and you mentioned

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about full Gym. He is one
of the better prospects on the Golden Boy

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roster. He was being stepped up
in a fight that I think a lot

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of people, myself concluded, felt
like at his stage of his career,

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being nine to zero going into the
fight was a little bit aggressive. I

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mean, Fox's you know, he
came into the fight with three losses in

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a row, but he's very experienced. He's a pretty good boxer. He's

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very tall, he had had experience
against some quality opponents in losses. Granted,

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he fought back in two thousand and
seventeen against Demetris Andred, he fought

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in a WBA regular title fight against
David Morrell, and he's got some other

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guys on his record he had fought, and so for Fulgium to take that

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step up, that was I liked. I like seeing that. And you

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know, Fox has shown the ability
at times to give guys some struggles and

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some problems because he is a,
like I said, a rangy guy and

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he can box a bit. But
full Gum comes in with some credentials.

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He was a twenty eighteen National Golden
Gloves champion, and you know, I

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think is like I put it in
perspective when I'm doing my end of the

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year prospect list at the end of
twenty and twenty three, I did like

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fifteen top guys, but I I
start with like probably twenty five, and

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I call it down to get to
the fifteen, and ful Gium would would

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have been on, you know,
one of the last you know, two

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or three cuts from that list.
So he's a good prospect. He's got

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some good power, it looks like, and he has a good style.

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He's got good size. He didn't
look so good against Fox, But I

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don't really have a problem with that. I'm I'm kind of glad if you're

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gonna look kind of not great,
do it in that kind of fight where

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you're in with a guy that's there
to give you that type of look that

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you can learn from. So he
had some trouble with him, not because

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he was losing the rounds, but
because Fox was making it so negative.

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He was holding and he was doing
what he does, trying to move around

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and make him frustrated, and I
think he succeeded to a large degree.

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So now fuld Gem's got something to
go back to when he gets to the

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gym with his trainers and his team
and look at the video and you know,

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make some corrections. But in the
end, you know, he did,

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you know, mark up his face. He did bang him around a

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little bit later in the fight.
And the other thing about it, you

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know, there's a right hand that
he landed in the seventh round that was

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dynamite that looked like it hurt Alanta's
Fox. So when when full Jim gave

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some of his comments after, but
he was disappointed in his performance because he

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wanted to look much more spectacular.
But to me, if I want to

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see the evolution of a young fighter
on the way to what I think can

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be a world title, you want
to see that. You want to see

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a little bit of a struggle.
You don't want things to come so easy.

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You wanted to kind of feel bad
about himself. So he gets his

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rear end in the gym and works
on things that need to be corrected.

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So I thought that was exactly what
he needed at this stage of the career.

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And you know, I think the
future is still pretty pright for him.

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He you know, the one thing
that was just you know, crazy

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about the fight and has nothing to
do with Fulgem's performance. He had one

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judge, no matter how just one
he was with himself, said it was

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one hundred and ninety. That's a
shutout. He had another judge who scored

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a ninety eight to ninety two.
That's eight to two. I mean that

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seems reasonable to me. I wasn't
scoring it on paper, but as I'm

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watching, I'm like, Okay,
he's winning pretty much every end. Then,

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of course, because it's boxing,
there's always some wacky outlier. You

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had one judge that had to fight
ninety five to ninety five, which was

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like, what the fuck are you
talking about here? And the immortal words

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of my good pal TJ areas,
what are we doing here? What are

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we doing here? Ninety five ninety
five is not a comprehend the will score

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in my opinion, and it was
very shocking. So he gets officially a

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majority decision, but he won realistically
eight nine ten rounds and gave himself some

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things to work on. So that
was a good performance from all. Stay,

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stay active, you fought here in
January. Stay active, stay irrelevant.

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We like all of those things.
So in the other fight you mentioned,

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you have Gabriella Fandora, the younger
sister of Sebastian Fandora. She is

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a very young fighter. She's only
twenty one years old. She's now thirteen

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and oher with six knockouts. She
was making the first defense of the IBF

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women's flyweight title against a forty one
year old fighter named Christina Cruz, who

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got a late start to recurve.
But Christina Cruz, if you know anything

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about women's boxing, she's like an
amateur legend. I mean, she was

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a really top notch fighter for a
long time. But it was only your

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seven professional fights, six and one
that was zero knockouts, And actually I

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was kind of surprised about this.
After the fight, Fondora made the comment

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that she had looked up to Christina
Cruz and when she was a young amateur

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boxer herself, she had a picture
of Christina Cruz like on her bedroom wall

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as like one of the athletes that
she looked up to, So that was

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kind of a big deal. So
again, Christina Cruz's game is a boxer,

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not a puncher. So she gave
Fondora some trouble and she was winning

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those early rounds, but eventually the
younger fighter figured out started landing the heavier

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shots. Cruz seemed to get a
little fatigued and Fondora was taken over the

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fight and sort of beat her up
a bit and ended up stopping her in

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the tenth and final round. Now, the only thing that was of I

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guess consequence or note I guess,
was there were some that really derided the

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stoppage by the referee. And the
reality is Chris Flores, who was that

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era, who was that Arizona referee, was one of the best in Arizona.

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He's done a lot of fights,
and I think he usually does a

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terrific job. He stopped the fight, not because she was badly hurt or

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because she was knocked down or injured
or anything like that. The problem was

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in professional boxing, if you're in
a fight and whatever is happening, you

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cannot turn your back on the opponent
and then walk away, you know,

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if you spin and turn or whatever, you talk and then you throw back,

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I mean and again. And it
is the referee's discretion. But she

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clearly, body language wise, clearly
made it look like I don't want to

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fight anymore. She turned around,
she ducked down, she took two or

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three steps to the ropes. At
that point, it's not it's not even

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like are you okay, it's you've
resigned by your actions and then ended the

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fight. Now, let me say
one thing about that. So a lot

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of people on social media say,
well, should have given her a standing

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a count, Yo, dumb focks. There is no standing a count in

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boxing unless you're knocked down and then
you get a mandatory eight count and then

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you can get back in the fight. This is not nineteen fucking seventy four

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where you can be on the ropes
and the ref can call this. I'm

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actually I'm actually more of an advocate. It doesn't exist in the rules,

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But I'm more of an advocate of
bringing that back on some level where if

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the referee wants to say, give
me, give me seven or eight seconds

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to look at somebody and see if
they if they should totally totally, you

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don't have to go on a thirty
minute tangent. I'm just taking to go

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a host to it. But you're
right, it doesn't exist right now,

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so knock off, Hey, he
should have given her a stand. The

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reason I'm gonna take a few seconds
to give you my view on that is

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that if you are the referee and
you feel like you need to give a

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fighter an a count, that means
they're in enough this damage or enough disarray

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that the fight should be stopped.
If you're knocked down one thing. If

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you're on your feet and you're gonna
give an eight count, I don't get

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that, because that means you should
be stopping the fight. My opinion.

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Anyway around, you're taking an extra
seven or eight seconds there to decide is

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this guy can cuss gal? Are
they able to continue or not? Yes.

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It began to get a little wonky. That's the that's the officiating and

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how poorly it gets enforced or whatever, and that's why they've done away with

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it. They've elimited. And one
more thing, I was thinking when you

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were explaining this, what's the fundamental
thing you hear almost every referee say in

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the pre fight instructions. Protect yourself
at all times. If you have turned

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around and crouched down, you are
conceding the fight. You're no longer you're

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protecting yourself by turtling, essentially,
is the term that it's called on that

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And Flores was the ref in the
Colaso fight two fights later, and I

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thought that that stoppage was fine.
He had been knocked down, he'd been

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hurt on the ropes. I mean
again, don't turn your back. Don't

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turn your back. I say the
other thing about about people who want to

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see a standing account. To me, it leads to more damage, because

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if a guy or yal is not
getting knocked down and they're just being teed

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off on, you're giving him seven
or eight seconds a recover and then just

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let him take more punishment after that. That's no good either. If if

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it's if the guy or gal is
hurt enough, you need to give them

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an eight count without being knocked down, and that means the fight should be

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over. So you know, I
feel the pain and the complaints of Christina

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Cruz. She only has herself to
blame now. It is a judgment call

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in the ref he could have like
had her spin around and like, you

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know, called the fight back together, maybe you know, you know,

406
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,680
taking a quick second, But no, she turned it was over. She

407
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,599
was being dominated at that point over
the last couple of hounds, all she

408
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,559
wrote. So I thought it was
a fine stoppage. In fact, I

409
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,680
was disappointed, and I have nothing
but respect and love for my guys at

410
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,960
his own in you know, in
Chris Mannis and Sergio Mora, but they

411
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,559
were like going off about the stoppage, and I'm like, you know,

412
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,079
and as Sergio Morris should know better
than that. He's a former professional fighter

413
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,720
himself and a former world champion.
You turn your back and you walk away,

414
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,519
the fight's over, end of story. So I had no problem with

415
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,079
that. And then one more fight
on the undercard, right a rising junior

416
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:25,680
featherweight who you know, he's now
twenty seven h to one. I'm not

417
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,839
sure how far he's gonna go.
But he looks pretty good. He's got

418
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,359
offensive game. His defense I think
is maybe pretty solid. That's a fighter

419
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,559
named David Picasso, one hundred and
twenty two pounder. He took a one

420
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:38,559
sided decision over Eric Ruiz. He
dominated the fight and I give him credit

421
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,079
because after about what four rounds,
he was wiping him out, looked like

422
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:45,839
he was gonna stop him. He
was just laying a ton of punches on

423
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,200
him. He suffered a rib injury
and that slowed him down. He ended

424
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:52,359
up going the distance, but he
won, you know, very handily on

425
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,119
the scorecards, eight to two,
eight to two and nine to one.

426
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,359
But he's he's a young fighter in
that weight class, only twenty three years

427
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,160
old from Mexico. In that weight
class, somebody worth keeping an eye on.

428
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,440
All right, let us move along, shall we? Some news,

429
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,400
good recap, excellent stuff on that. And by the way, we do

430
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,720
know it did come up on the
bet Us show. We didn't really talk

431
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,799
about it here. Lewis Crocker did
win in his welterweight air Quotes's main event

432
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,000
on the match Room show in Belfast, Ireland. Crocker, though came in

433
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,960
way over the weight you like it
when I say this. He blew like

434
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:29,480
four exits on the interstate past where
he was supposed to turn off at like

435
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,640
over one hundred and figure like one
hundred and fifty point two pounds overweight.

436
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,640
Did win? Did I mean score
the big left hand that dropped he had

437
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,559
already dropped Felix once scored the big
left hand got the stoppage. We acknowledged

438
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,519
that on the recap. Crocker gets
the win, but he's got to do

439
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:49,200
a better job of making weight obviously
on that and had to give the opponent

440
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,880
some of his purse. All right. So other news since last we were

441
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,319
on this podcast, and it includes
the Monster is back, and the Monster

442
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:03,200
is going to be in the Token
Dome coming and may give me more on

443
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,960
when he returns, the setting and
the opponent. So he is of course

444
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,960
the undisputed Father Junior Featherweight Champion.
He is the consensus twenty twenty three fighter

445
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,559
of the Year, picked by the
boxing writers, picked by the Ring magazine,

446
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,680
picked I believe, also by ESPN, picked by Yours truly, et

447
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:26,400
cetera. Noia in a way is
back in business. The opponent is not

448
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,079
a surprise. He'll be defending the
titles in the mandatory of the WBC,

449
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,400
which is Luis Narry who is a
former two division world champion who is coming

450
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,920
off of in elimination or not coming
at one fight since then. But the

451
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,960
elimination fight that was in twenty twenty
three was the fight that I picked as

452
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359
the fight of the year ahead of
devren Schenko's very close and you know,

453
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:53,960
outstanding loss against against mcgea of course. Anyway, so Narry is the opponent

454
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960
that that was mandated at the WBC
convention that they just recently completed. So

455
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:00,200
that's going to be a barn or
for as long as that goes. But

456
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,279
now we get down to the inde
gritty of when you mentioned it's gonna be

457
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,319
in the Tokyo Dome, which in
a way has been fighting in in arenas

458
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,480
in Japan and doing great crowds.
But you're talking even if he's in like

459
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,680
the say Thomas Super Arena. I
think that's something in the order of gonna

460
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,279
be like, you know, twenty
five thousand or something along those lines,

461
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,480
Tokyo Dome that was where Mike Tyson
had the famous iconic fight and lost the

462
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,319
heavyweight championship. The bus or Douglas
back in the day. So that's a

463
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,079
big, big building, fifty five
thousand people, I want to say,

464
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,559
So they're going to put him there
and against Neary. The fight is,

465
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,000
I am told the fights signed for
May sixth at the Tokyo Dome. So

466
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:42,160
that's early morning hours on ESPN plus
in the United States on a weekday.

467
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,880
I believe that's a Monday. Be
a Monday morning, right, Tuesday morning.

468
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,920
It's actually the uh it would yeah, it would be the Monday because

469
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,079
the fourth right is supposed to be
the Canal fight exactly, so that it'll

470
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:55,920
be in the morning in the United
States and obviously the evening in Japan.

471
00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,319
But Nearry is like he's like the
mandatory. But he's like, uh,

472
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,640
a enemy number one in Japan.
If you go back a few years ago,

473
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,240
he retired one of their great champions, Sanuki Yama. Let me try

474
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:15,079
and say it again, Shanuki Yamanaka. Anyway, Uh, he fought him

475
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,160
twice. He stopped him in both
fights. In one fight he missed the

476
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,480
weight and the second another one of
the fights, the fight I think it

477
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,240
was okay. What happened was in
the first fight they fought, he knocked

478
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,680
him out and then he had a
positive drug test that came back after the

479
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,000
fight, and that was like a
very big scandal over there now because the

480
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,680
WBC does not believe in strict liability, and they presented some type of evidence

481
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,039
that claimed it was due to food
contamination, which is a problem in Mexico.

482
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,400
He was not stripped of the title, but he was he was ordered

483
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,400
to give Yamanaka a rematch. He
did give him the rematch, he missed

484
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,480
the weight and he ended up knocking
it out in like the second round or

485
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,000
whatever, the fourth round I forget
which was which but early knockout. Basically

486
00:29:57,079 --> 00:30:03,359
that ended Yamanaka's career. And so
after that occurred, between the bad drug

487
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,440
test and then in the rematch missing
the way, the Japanese Boxing Commission gave

488
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,960
him an indefinite suspension, which means
he was no longer permitted to fight in

489
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,119
Japan. So they're still on the
suspension. This goes back, you know,

490
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,400
to like twenty what's seventeen or eighteen, So they have been assured,

491
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,519
you know, privately, that that's
not going to be an issue and that

492
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:23,640
it's just a formality that when they
go to get the set, you know,

493
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,720
the the uh suspension lifted, it
will be lifted and the fight will

494
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,680
go forward. They still have to
take care of that. It's still not

495
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,440
technically done, but they've signed I
Am Told for the fight, so that

496
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,359
that will be at least in Japan. That's going to be a huge deal.

497
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,359
And uh, you know, it's
a quality opponent for for in a

498
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:47,039
way to be fighting in his first
defense of all four belts. And we

499
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,480
love when when the Monster gets back
in the ring. He's one of the

500
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,799
best fighters we've seen in many,
many years, a tremendous talent, an

501
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,920
exciting guy, and you know,
I figure him and near he should produce

502
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160
a fun fight for as long as
it goes. Both guys are excellent punchers.

503
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,400
Hey, one other thought, just
why and we're gonna move on to

504
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,720
other news here in just a second. Just to expose him more to the

505
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,200
US audience, because again, if
this holds on the timeline and it's a

506
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,000
Monday morning as a work week,
there's only so much audience that's gonna see

507
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,319
that live. I wonder what you
think that it wouldn't be the worst idea

508
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,319
for them to fight kind of similar
to what we've seen the tim zoo situation

509
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,440
in Australia where you fight late in
the US and the middle of the afternoon

510
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,519
in Japan. Especially listen to me
sounding like a matchmaker here, but especially

511
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,240
if you were to have him fight
on a Saturday, like on a weekend

512
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,559
where everybody can can gather in Japan
during the day during the week not at

513
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,799
night in Japan, to just expose
him to more of a US audience to

514
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,319
make even more money if you could. We understand he's immensely popular, very

515
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,920
lucrative fighter in Japan for that reason. I just wonder what your thought is

516
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,839
on that that on one of these
Could they do it that way if they

517
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,279
want? I mean, I guess
they could, But the reality is,

518
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:01,720
like ninety percent of the money is
Japanese. I mean, they run the

519
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,119
show over there. So you're not
going to ask, uh, you know,

520
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,319
a fighter who's making that kind of
money to change their schedule or their

521
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:15,799
tradition to acquiesce to a place where
it's just a small percentage of the overall

522
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,960
situation. So I doubt that's going
to change, and you know, I

523
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,799
don't. I don't see a reason
why it would. With the Japanese public

524
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,240
that follows boxing is used to and
has been for a long time, of

525
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:30,240
seeing their top champions fighting on weekdays
in the evening. I don't think they're

526
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:36,599
gonna They're not gonna certainly switch.
Clearly be a weekday afternoon that would make

527
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,359
sense. Well, no, what
I said, and my premise is do

528
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,160
it on like a Friday night where
it's a Saturday afternoon in Japan, Saturday

529
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,799
midday, Saturday afternoon in Japan.
And we've seen that with Zoo where they

530
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:51,960
were doing it on Saturday night Sunday
afternoon in Australia. Similar timeline and finally

531
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:53,599
different, so is TJ. That's
a normal thing for them in Japan in

532
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,839
the Australia, understand, But I'm
saying just to vary it up. But

533
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
in any event, uh, we
do know Rank was trying to bring him

534
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:06,400
here and they did have him fight
in the Bubble in Las Vegas previously,

535
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,680
so they were trying to expose him
some to the American audience, and part

536
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,319
of that was because you weren't having
fights in Japan. I understand. He's

537
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:15,920
also he's gotten to the point where, you know, I understand we're all

538
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,119
American centric and we want to see
the guys all in America, so we're

539
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,640
annoyed, like, oh, they're
fighting in Saudi Arabia. Oh, you

540
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,039
know, in a way, won't
come and fight in the United States again.

541
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,559
You know, he has been here
three different times and he has fought,

542
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,799
you know, in the UK and
places like that. He's making like

543
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:35,319
ten million dollars plus for fights,
maybe even more than that. He's making

544
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:39,039
astronomical money in Japan. Why does
he give a shit about the United States.

545
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:43,000
He can't. There's no way he
can make more money in America.

546
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:45,440
And it's not like he's just staying
at home and fighting, you know,

547
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:49,880
the lesser opponents. He's fighting all
the guys with the titles. He's fighting

548
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,960
bona fide number one challengers. He's
not taking easy fights. So if I'm

549
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,839
making huge money and I'm at home, my opponents are getting their biggest paydays

550
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,839
and are coming to travel, and
I'm doing the business, I don't have

551
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,240
to worry about going to the Unite. He's a kingpin. He's like he's

552
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,320
calling the show. Was a reason
if there was some real like big,

553
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,559
big name or a fight that has
festered for a while, and it was

554
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:15,800
like everybody was saying, we got
to see that. We got to see

555
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,079
that, and the money was there. I have absolutely no doubt in my

556
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:22,000
mind that in a way, would
come and fight in the United States.

557
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,440
But right now, why would I
take a haircut to come and fight in

558
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,079
America when I can stay home and
make crazy money in Japan. It doesn't

559
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,679
make any sense. Agreed with you? All right? So we were talking

560
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,719
last week about the unveiling of the
first Premiere Boxing Champions pay per view card

561
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,800
in Las Vegas for March thirtieth,
and we did mention the Sebastian Bundura fight

562
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,360
with Bolachalk and now that fight has
been elevated by the WBC in the In

563
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,840
the day or two since we've done
the preview podcast, tell me more about

564
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,880
the one hundred and fifty four pound
title that no longer belongs to Jama to

565
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,800
Jamel Charlow here and why they're doing
what they're doing for March thirtieth. Well,

566
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,079
Jamel Charlotte, who at one time
was the four belt undisputed champion,

567
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:10,119
is now down to one title.
He lost the one of the belts.

568
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:15,440
Remember he was when he fought Canelo
Alvarez. He knew before the fight happened

569
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,679
that when the bell rang, he'd
be stripped of the WBO title and Tim

570
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,239
Zoo would be elevated because he had
you know, signed the fight Zoo,

571
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,320
and then they didn't reschedule and Zoo
you know complained and he was right.

572
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,400
And so when that fight took place
between Charlo and Canelo, Zoo became the

573
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,800
full champion of the WBO. Then
there was a purse bid for the mandatory

574
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,079
in the IBF that Charlot had dragged
out. And then on the day of

575
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:43,000
the perse s bid, like in
the hours before the purse bid, he

576
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,119
vacated the title. Uh, because
he wasn't going to go through it the

577
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:49,519
mandatory, not because he was duck
on anybody, just because it didn't work

578
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,760
for it. It wasn't a big
fight, it didn't make sense for his

579
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,679
schedule, he wasn't gonna be ready
whatever. So now he's down the IBF

580
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,000
title. He still has the WBA
title, but now here comes with the

581
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:07,559
WBC. So on Thursday, remember
the PBC announced the Amazon Prime Video pay

582
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:13,039
per view headlined by Tim zu in
his fight against Keith Thurman, and the

583
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,440
fight one of the fights on the
pay per view. It was the opening

584
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,880
fight of that card, which is
Sebastian Fundora, the brother of who we

585
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:23,159
just talked about with Gabriella Fondora.
He's matched up with Sergei Boachek, and

586
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:28,320
that fight was announced as being for
the vacant WBC Interim title at one hundred

587
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,960
and fifty four pounds. It was
like hours after that announcement where PBC sent

588
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:38,960
up the press release that the WBC's
you know, their their board are voted,

589
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,400
and it was announced on Friday that
they were elevating the fight to be

590
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,000
for the vacant title and that Charlotte
had been relieved of the championship and made

591
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,960
what they call an in recess champion, which means we know you're not active.

592
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:57,400
You know, we love you,
but you got to stay a little

593
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,840
busier. And so because we don't
know what your schedule is, you have

594
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,679
legal problems outside the ring. As
we have talked about before, he's facing

595
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,920
charges of a bodily harm to a
family member, which even though it's not

596
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,079
official, everybody knows it's his wife
because she filed for a divorce and she

597
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,039
filed for a restraining order, so
he's dealing with that. There's also the

598
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:20,800
fact as Mauricio Suliman from the WVC
said to me in a statement, was

599
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,599
part of it that his last fight
was at one hundred, at one hundred

600
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:28,760
and sixty eight pounds when he fought
against Canelo, and they don't know if

601
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,760
he's ever going to come back to
one hundred and fifty four. They haven't

602
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,639
been able to get clarity from him
or his team. So the bottom line

603
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:37,199
is you're not fighting in your division. You have legal problems. We have

604
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,719
no idea what your status is.
We have a fight between our two most

605
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,840
available leading contenders. We've already approved
that fight, so they put him in

606
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,599
recess. What that means is,
should the day come when Charlotte decides to

607
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,320
fight again, if he wants to
stay at one hundred and fifty four pounds,

608
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,039
he can have an immediate shot for
the title against the winner. It

609
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,840
also won't screw up his percentage on
a per spid, which is often what

610
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,880
this comes down to is what's my
percentage if we make a deal or if

611
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,800
we don't make a deal and it
goes to a purse bit, so he

612
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,199
would still be made whole on that. So this in essence is going to

613
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,000
be for the title, not in
essence, it is for the WB stellup

614
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,320
because nobody thinks. I don't think
that Charlo's ever gonna come back and fight

615
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,320
out junior middleweight, and even if
he does, he's looking at probably a

616
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
long layoff, you know, because
of that. So the guy from the

617
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:29,639
who made history as the first ever
four bell champion in the one hundred and

618
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:34,360
fifty four pound way class is now
down to one sanctioning body title, and

619
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,679
you know, boxing waits for nobody
onto the next and we'll see what I

620
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,719
think. Is as I said,
and we talked about when they made the

621
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,360
matchup, a fight that's a sneaky
good fight between Fundora and Boa Chick.

622
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,079
It's it's going to be a fun
fight, I believe, and the winner

623
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:52,480
will become the WBC Jim Middlewaight champion. And let's connect the dots just one

624
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,840
more time. This is me saying
this since that time. Brian Mendoz is

625
00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,119
the fighter that beat Fondora in his
last fight, and then Zoo has beaten

626
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:05,599
Brian Mendoza, although he didn't get
the WBC bill to do it, he

627
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,920
beat the interim champion. It's not
hard to connect the dots. They're on

628
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,400
the same card Dan Rayphiel here that
Tim Zoo could maybe down the road fight

629
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,280
the winner of this fight in a
unification fight. Call me crazy that that

630
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,400
could be happening down around Yeah,
there's no doubt about it. Fandora is

631
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,800
with PBC. Also, Boacheck is
not, but Tom Loffler is his promoter

632
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,760
from three to sixty Promotions. And
if you know Tom Loffler, he's a

633
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,000
guy that will work with anybody.
He's not, you know, taking sides.

634
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,960
I'm only gonna work with this guy, or we'll make a deal here.

635
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,840
We'll make a deal here. He
made a deal with PBC for Boachek

636
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,519
to be on this show with against
Fandora. Tom is a well respected and

637
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,639
a well like guy in the business. So I don't think there'd be any

638
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,480
problem with that fight happening down the
road at some point. And like you

639
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,840
said, you know, if you
take a look at big undercards for these

640
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,000
big time fights, and you have
fights that are in and around the same

641
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000
way class as the main event,
you can tell what the future potential matchups

642
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,639
are. Not because someone's doing this
like on a pad and like they're plotting

643
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,480
out, it just becomes obvious,
like it's not. It's not rocket science

644
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:05,079
in a lot of these instances.
I mean, you can tell what they're

645
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,079
what they're if certain things followed a
certain way, that these are gonna be

646
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,519
guys that end up facing each other
at some point. So if someday down

647
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:15,480
the road in the next bit we
see Fondorma against Tim Zoo or against Bultcheck

648
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:19,000
for that matter, I like,
there's nobody should be shocked or surprised about

649
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,239
that. What's over. The only
thing that you have to think about is

650
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,679
what's the timing of and when does
it happen. But without question, if

651
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:29,480
you've got the guy that's the WBO
champion even though he's fighting Thurmoton an title

652
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,280
fight, and you got the guy
who's a WBC champion, you're all in

653
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,719
the family. Of course, it
makes sense. You know. The idea

654
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,079
is to make the biggest fights that
the fans want to see, and you

655
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,360
know, if Fondora can win the
fight, or Boltcheck for that matter,

656
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,000
maybe put another winner too on their
on their record, no doubt about it.

657
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,960
I mean, Fundor is more known
the Boa Chick at this point.

658
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,519
Bolt Chick is still unless you're a
die hard, you probably never really heard

659
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:52,960
of him. But he's a good
fighter. He's only got like I said,

660
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:57,159
he's got twenty four fights, right, twenty three by knockout and the

661
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,440
other fight he lost by knockout,
so he's never heard the final bell.

662
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,800
So that's interesting we have Injurgue because
Puondura got knocked out in a fight he

663
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,079
was winning with Mendoza. He got
caught, I got hit with a big

664
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,599
time bomb, punch, staggered,
went down, got stopped, and now

665
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:15,360
he's got to show some resolve,
show some character getting back in the ring

666
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,280
here in this one. And if
he does, he could be looking at

667
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,519
a lucrative situation. I'm saying this
with Tim Zoo. We shall see right

668
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,159
now along those same lines, the
very next week in Germany, they are

669
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:30,360
going to have the IBF Junior Middleweight
title fight. Give me the update on

670
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:35,159
Bachrum and Jack Coleka and the details, but it's going to be the following

671
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,199
weekend after that March thirtieth card,
right. Yeah. So when I mentioned

672
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:44,639
before about Charlot vacating the IBF title
in the hours before a purse bit for

673
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,920
his mandatory, he had owed a
mandatory defense of the IDF delt to Bachram,

674
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,880
where Tazalaliev. For quite some time, Tazallyev had taken multiple step aside

675
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,519
deals. He'd been placed on a
variety of PBC cards. I think you

676
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,039
fought three or four times, or
at least three times anyway under the terms

677
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:04,760
of that step aside to allow Charlotte
to go do other things because he was

678
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,719
not a well known fighter. He
hadn't really fought top guys. He was

679
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,960
actually still learning. Frankly, he
was already in a mandatory position before his

680
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,480
ability let's say, warranted it if
you will. And then when that when

681
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,320
that fight between him and Charlotte did
not happen because of the vacating of the

682
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,079
title, Bacherm was ordered to fight
the next leading contender, which is Jack

683
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,599
col Kay, who's experienced guide,
been around, you know, maybe maybe

684
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:29,559
best known, I guess if you
follow he he had a loss to Dimitris

685
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,199
Andre where Andre went to Germany and
defeated him in the middleweight title bout,

686
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,320
or maybe it was even a dreim
because it was a junior middleweight title belt.

687
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,480
In any event, coul Ka and
rtaz La the purse bit took place,

688
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:45,079
and then the col K people at
a company called Agon Sports won the

689
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:49,480
pers bid for six hundred and sixty
six thousand dollars in change. They split

690
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,880
it fifty to fifty. Each guy
gets three to thirty three K and they're

691
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,639
doing the fight April sixth in Germany
and they will fight for that vacant title,

692
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,800
and so you know, it's,
uh, it's another chip in that

693
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,480
weight class that's now going to be
kind of wide open, if you will,

694
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,079
because Charlo is no longer undisputed and
all the titles are fractured again,

695
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:12,199
so you can have Zoo as the
top dog. We'll see what happens in

696
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:15,039
the in the fight between Fandor and
Boachek. Charlo still has the w BBA

697
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,119
title, but he's inactive at the
moment, and we have Martazza, Leev

698
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,199
and Clo K going for the IBF
title. So you know, like it

699
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,000
always happens, CJ, you spend
a lot of time, a lot of

700
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,840
bandwidth and getting excited and thinking and
discussing when we're going to get to an

701
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,840
undisputed champion. We get there and
then Charlo unfortunately, we'll go down as

702
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,760
having never defended the undisputed title because
of all the things that we've talked about.

703
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,960
But if you're Martazzala leaving your culk, you're like, okay, fine,

704
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:44,800
I just want to win the belt. And so that's what they're going

705
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,719
to try to do on April six, and bigger money can be there,

706
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,159
especially if we start talking unification,
because maybe that's Tim Zoo fighting the winner

707
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,519
this but we don't know. Maybe
that's Zoo fighting this IBF winner if it

708
00:43:55,599 --> 00:44:00,000
comes to it. All right,
a few moments left. Love the nostalgia

709
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,119
always great stuff on the last one
too, by the way, with Shane

710
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:06,679
Moseley and Antonio Margarito and you being
right there for all of that, with

711
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,679
the controversy with the gloves, and
we have some interesting names that are part

712
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:15,360
of the nostalgia. It was fifty
years ago on this day as we released

713
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,679
the podcast Sunday, the twenty eighth
of January, that the second of the

714
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Muhammad Ali Joe Fraser trilogy took place. And you've often said this, we've

715
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:29,159
talked about this that of the three
fights, the first one is is regarded

716
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,400
as the fight of the century.
Fraser's went over Ali, handing Ali the

717
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:38,000
defeated at Madison Square Garden with the
fifteenth round knockdown and winning the decision.

718
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,000
The Thrilla in Manila is one of
the epic fights of all time. Is

719
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,239
the third fight. This one kind
of lost in the middle a little bit,

720
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,199
but they did fight three times.
And the fiftieth anniversary is on the

721
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,639
day that we're doing this podcast,
So tell me more about the nostalgia on

722
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,760
Ali Fraser two. Ali Fraser two
is the unloved of the three. And

723
00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:00,840
as we've talked about a lot of
times, in trilogy, there is one

724
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,719
chapter that maybe is a little less
than the others, that's not as well

725
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,079
respected, that doesn't get the attention, that isn't talked about or rewatched and

726
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:15,079
gone over in minutia. And and
that's this fight among this trilogy, you

727
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,360
know, and in more recent trilogies, if you want to give the the

728
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,719
one that's sort of the corollary Gaddy
War two. Good fight, but not

729
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,519
the third fight of the first fight
Barrera Morales, great trilogy. Second fight

730
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,360
not exactly as good as the first
or third by a long shot. And

731
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:35,239
there and there's trilogies where where it's
rare that all are awesome. I mean,

732
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,320
Bo Holyfield had three incredible heavyweight fights. If we disavow the fourth fight

733
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,519
between Vasquez and Marquez. The first
three were incredible. Two of them were

734
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:46,639
Fight of the Year, and the
only reason the other one wasn't was because

735
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:50,320
they happened in the same year as
one of the other fights. You know,

736
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,559
if you look at Manny Pacau and
one Manuel Marquez, they fought four

737
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:57,239
fights. All four of them are
legendary. But in the case Ali Fraser,

738
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,480
the trilogy as legendary as it is, and you can't have the trilogy

739
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,360
if you don't have all three fights. But the second fight of these,

740
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,719
of these three great champions, between
Ali and Fraser, is the one that's

741
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,000
the least remembered. They fought at
Madison Square Guarden. It was it was

742
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
the one fight of the trilogy that
was not for the world heavyweight title.

743
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,440
At the time, world championship fights
were fifteen rounds. This was a twelve

744
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,840
round fight. It was for the
NABF title, which was a respect it's

745
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,719
still our title out there. A
regional title had a lot more meaning back

746
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,440
in the nineteen seventies. It's an
offshoot now of the WBC. The North

747
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,000
American Boxing Federation had meant a lot
back then, but not like the World

748
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,679
heavyweight title. So they fought for
that title. And this is back in

749
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,400
the day where they didn't use the
ten point must system. They just scored

750
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,639
in rounds. So I can't tell
you that Ali won, you know,

751
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:50,039
one fifteens, one thirteen or whatever. This was eight four for Ali,

752
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,159
seven to four to one for Ali, and six five one for Ali.

753
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,480
So that was that fight. And
I've watched that fight. I've got a

754
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:00,159
you know, I've got that on
my collection of videos, and you he

755
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,400
finds it on YouTube very easily.
You know, it's it's it's a good

756
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,239
fight, but it's you know when
you think about like you said, the

757
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,239
first fight is the fight of the
century to undefeated heavyweight champions and all the

758
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:13,039
whooplah. And the third fight is
one of the most savage battles in the

759
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,719
history of the world. Uh.
You know, this one doesn't hold a

760
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,000
camel to it, but it was
important for when it took place. Like

761
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:24,199
I mentioned, it wasn't for the
heavyweight title because two fights uh after this

762
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:30,440
is this has taking place two fights
after Joe Fraser had Remember he stayed the

763
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,639
champion and took the lineal title from
Ali in the first fight. Then he

764
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,159
goes in the ring and he gets
blasted out by Joe by George Foreman and

765
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:43,239
loose his heavyweight So this is now
two fights after Joe has been dethroned as

766
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:49,360
the heavyweight champion by Foreman, and
because Muhammad Ali won this fight against uh

767
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,440
in the rematch with Joe Fraser in
his next fight, he got the shot

768
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:58,639
at George Foreman's title, which was
the course the very famous thrill Rumble in

769
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,719
the Jungle, one of the most
if not most famous fights in boxing history.

770
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:06,280
So this, the positioning of the
date and when this occurred in their

771
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,000
careers was pivotal gives Ali the next
shot to make the history of dethroning Foreman,

772
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,400
and it was Frasier having come off
of having lost the title a couple

773
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,679
of fights earlier against Foreman, where
these guys wound up fighting each other because

774
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,239
Foreman was off doing his own thing
as champion, and you had the two

775
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,360
next biggest names in the division,
you know, trying to reposition themselves to

776
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880
a degree. I'm just I always
I when I when I was thinking about

777
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,000
this fight, I mean, we're
going to talk about it, I was

778
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:37,760
thinking about, like how you could
not not the magnitude of who these guys

779
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,719
were. But in today's boxing,
where you see, you know, a

780
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,480
Wilder take a loss, or a
Joshua would take a loss and her fury

781
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:49,679
looks terrible against Nagano, or you
know, Joe Joyce gets destroyed by zang

782
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,960
Zulai. How it how it fits
into the puzzle as people move forward,

783
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,239
you know, or Joe Parker has
lost to Joshua and now he's back,

784
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,159
you know to a degree near the
top with a victory over Wilder. That

785
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,400
when these fights take place has an
important, right, important position of how

786
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,239
you remember them and what was going
on at the time. One more thing

787
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,360
to add, if I'm explaining myself, I got you on the one bigger

788
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,760
thing is Ali avenged the loss by
getting the win. He didn't get the

789
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,039
title back. He would get the
title back in October of seventy four,

790
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:28,239
but he avenged the loss in January
of seventy four, and that set into

791
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,559
motion the third fight happening in seventy
five in Manila, which is an all

792
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,199
timer in any division when you talk
boxing, including the nickname Thriller in Manila.

793
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,559
So you know, because you could
make the argument, if Fraser wins

794
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,719
in fight number two, yeah,
then Maha. It's a totally different trajectory

795
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,719
from Muhammad Ali. But Ali was
the greatest. Ali got the win there,

796
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,280
got the win over Foreman, got
the win again in the Thrilling Manila

797
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,800
in the rest a Hall of Fame
history. Yeah, because if Ali doesn't

798
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,440
beat Fraser in the rematch, he
doesn't get the rematch with Foreman. Now,

799
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,679
maybe because of things that happened at
some point, maybe he regains the

800
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,519
title, but I dare say it
probably is not in a fight called the

801
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,760
Rumble in the Jungle in the you
know, in in the middle of Zaire,

802
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,480
in a big upset with the robodope
and making that kind of history.

803
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:20,280
Uh. And maybe Foreman is ends
up fighting Fraser in a more immediate rematch.

804
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,679
He fought Fraser a few years later
in a fight where you know,

805
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,000
you know, for Fraser was pretty
much done at that point, but he

806
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,920
had already pummeled Fraser the first time. Maybe he ends up fighting Fraser a

807
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,239
second time sooner and he beats him
again. And just thinking about the legend

808
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,320
that makes George at that time,
this is way before the notion would ever

809
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:43,000
take place of him coming back after
a ten year retirement and ultimately regaining the

810
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,760
title at age you know, in
his forties, breaking the record for being

811
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,760
the oldest fighter ever. So yeah, it's it's it's. Uh. It

812
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,800
is interesting that you mentioned that,
because, yes, if it had been

813
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,719
a little different, the whole history
and what we talked about in boxing,

814
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,559
as far as anyweight history goes,
would be totally different without this with the

815
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:06,119
result of the second fight between Ali
and Frasier all right, also on Monday,

816
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,559
as we released the podcast January twenty
ninth, thirty years ago. Now

817
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,880
I remember this the surgeon Frankie Randall, Morristown, Tennessee. I'm a Tennessee

818
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,599
woife. I bring that up.
Frankie Randall, the late Frankie Randall in

819
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,039
the first ever loss on Julio Caesar
Chavez thirty years ago January twenty ninth,

820
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:31,039
nineteen ninety four, including scoring a
knockdown in the fight, a shocking upset,

821
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,920
not on the same level, but
in the neighborhood of what happened with

822
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,960
Buster Douglas and Mike Tyson. Because
Chavez it fought what eighty nine oh and

823
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,880
one had fought ninety times and Frankie
Randall's the answer to the trivia question who

824
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,320
handed Chavez his first loss. He
was a fifteen to one underdog. I

825
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,159
actually looked at Chavez, I should
say was a fifteen to one favorite.

826
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,320
I looked that up because I knew
it was a big upset, but I

827
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,599
was trying to remember just how big
it was. Knocked him down, as

828
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,920
you mentioned, in the eleventh round, and got a split decision. I

829
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:07,159
thought, a deserve split decision.
I have watched that fight won the WBC

830
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,559
Junior Welterweight title. The other thing
that's cool about that fight, I mean,

831
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:14,000
as historical as that was, it
was, and think about how many

832
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,639
times we talk about the MGM Grand
as a host venue for major fights.

833
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,880
That was the main event of the
very first boxing event to ever take place

834
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,519
in that building in nineteen ninety four. So think about all the fights that

835
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,320
we talk about that have taken place
in the MGM Grand over the last like

836
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,239
thirty years. I mean, I
know, personally, I've been to at

837
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,800
least one hundred fights at the MGM
Grand and they've probably hosted you know,

838
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,039
I don't know if they've quite reached
two hundred. Maybe they're closer, maybe

839
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:44,159
they're about two hundred. But that's
a hallowed building for boxing, and that

840
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:49,440
was the first ever In a great
trivia nugget that the first ever world title

841
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,039
about at that venue is Chavez's first
loss. That's a great way to tell

842
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:58,599
other world title fights on the card
that came before it. But it was

843
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,400
the main event of the first right
at the at the venue. I mean,

844
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,480
that was you know, that was
what was being promoted, and that

845
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:09,000
was a showtime pay per view back
in the day, the shows that Don

846
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,599
King used to put on. We
talked about that all the time, and

847
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,519
we can talk no nostalgia. I
mean, here's an undercard fight from that

848
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:16,519
show. This was I don't know, I can't remember if it was the

849
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:21,679
co feature or maybe one fight further
down the show. You had the young

850
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:28,159
IBF welterweight champion Felix Tito Trinidad Oh
oh oh oh, hear to him against

851
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,760
and a winning a decision by the
way, against a guy with maybe one

852
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,800
of the greatest chints in the history
of boxing one I don't know, Hector

853
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,519
Camacho. That's a pretty big deal
to him too, Yes, So I

854
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:38,840
mean that just shows you the depth
of the car. But obviously Randall and

855
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,400
chav Is on the top was the
big deal and they had an all.

856
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,000
They ultimately had an immediate rematch that
chab is claimed with some controversy because of

857
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:50,079
the technical decision and the head butt
rule, and we don't have to get

858
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,320
into all the details. You can
look it up on Google. And then

859
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,039
many years later they had a third
fight that was unnecessary, where Frankie Randall

860
00:53:55,079 --> 00:54:00,079
was way way way way way way
way way way past his best days and

861
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,840
chav has beat him again in Mexico. But for one night, Frankie Randall

862
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,320
mastered the Master and handed the great
job as eighty nine to zero to one

863
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,440
made that record eighty nine to one
and one. And Frankie Randall, he

864
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,400
doesn't kind of get to love.
He's you know, he was a good,

865
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:15,960
good fighter for a long time.
Very sad too, and Iver I

866
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,800
know his personal story, and I
remember reading this because his sons were trying

867
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,079
to as best they could be caretakers. But he battled drug and alcohol problems.

868
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:29,039
He eventually battled dementia, was in
a nursing home in Tennessee and died

869
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,880
within the last couple of years,
probably within the last two or three years.

870
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:36,239
But he is the answer to the
trivia question. I remember Frankie Randall

871
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,719
fights on the way up. He
was fighting on ESPN in like world title

872
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,920
fights on Top rank Boxing. The
surgeon Frankie Randall, and that was thirty

873
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,000
years ago, Rayfield. You remember
when Frankie would come into the ring,

874
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,440
he would wear the mask, the
mask, right, Yes, it was

875
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,920
hilarious. I've seen guys come in
the ring with props, but that was

876
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,639
like the weird. That was like, you know, to see a guy

877
00:54:55,639 --> 00:55:00,000
in surgical mass, you know,
that was kind of a little unusual.

878
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,840
Let's say the Java is when that's
obviously the biggest win of his career,

879
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,400
but you know, he also he
put himself in that position. He had

880
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,480
a big win against you older Edwin
Rosario. He beat guys like Jan Martin,

881
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:15,199
Kogi in an important title fight back
post the Chavez rematch, and he

882
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,639
had fought you know three He actually
had a trilogy with Koji where he won

883
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,639
two of the fights. You know, and if you were a fan or

884
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,920
a subscriber to Showtime back in those
days, Frankie Randall's fights were a regular

885
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,559
thing on Showtime in their championship boxing
shows. But he fought a lot of

886
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,320
good guys through the years, you
know, Actually, if you go back

887
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,199
and you take a look, his
name was one of the good names that

888
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,559
a rising Antonio Margarito got on his
record in the early part of Antonio's career,

889
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,960
before he became a cheater apparently and
a pariah. But yeah, Frankie

890
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,639
Randall, that was that was obviously
a huge win. Foreman, like you

891
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:52,960
said, I never thought about it
in that same context as you said,

892
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,760
like when you mentioned Buster Douglas and
Mike Tyson. I guess in some ways

893
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,440
it is kind of like Buster light. You know, it wasn't that bad

894
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:06,440
relatively speaking. It wasn't forty two
to one, but Chabas was eighty nine

895
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:09,800
ohoe to one and a dominating world
champion, and no one expected Reynold didn't

896
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,559
to win, and he did,
and he got the knockdown to punctuate it.

897
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,440
All Right, one more piece of
nostalgia, and that's Wilfred Benitez and

898
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:22,519
Roberto Duran. This is the anniversary
is choose day on a fight. It's

899
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:25,119
now more than forty years old.
Nineteen eighty two. January thirtieth, nineteen

900
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:30,840
eighty two. Benitez defeats Duran in
a junior middleweight title fight. So this

901
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:37,280
is post no Moss, with Leonard
getting his revenge. Duran would later though,

902
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,760
ascind and win a version of the
junior midwaight title. But Benitez,

903
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:45,960
Benitez intertwined because he had lost to
Sugar Ray Leonard and also lost to Thomas

904
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,079
Hearns in and around somewhere in and
around this time intertwined around this, Wilfrid

905
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,840
Benitez, Well, I mean,
we all talked about the four Kings Hagler,

906
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,480
Leonard, Duran and Hearns, and
they all fought each other, and

907
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,760
that's one of the reasons. And
they carried the nineteen eighties with that rivalry

908
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:05,079
start in nineteen eighty ending with Leonard
versus Duran number three in nineteen eighty nine,

909
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,519
So it took up the full decade. But a lot of people will

910
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,639
tell you that Benitez belongs in that
same conversation. Now, he and Hagler

911
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:14,880
never fought each other, but Benitez
fought Duran in this particular fight, and

912
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,679
he won. Against Duran, he
got beaten by Ray Leonard in the last

913
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,360
round of a fifteen rounder on a
stoppage where when Leonard won the welterweight title

914
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,400
for the first time, that was
a big time fight live on ABC,

915
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:29,440
I might add, not on pay
per view, not on a premium cable

916
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,920
network, not on streaming which did
not exist back then. And he also

917
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:37,039
later after the fight with Duran,
he lost to Thomas Hearns. He lost

918
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,960
that title, so he was intertwined
as you mentioned, with all these guys.

919
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:44,159
But if you take an all time
stare down with Thomas Hearns, oh

920
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:49,679
yeah, they were like nose to
nose during the pre fight instructions tremendous for

921
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,599
that, and then Hearns got him
out of there on a majority decision.

922
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:55,840
And that was immediately after this Duran
fight that we're talking about right now.

923
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,000
But the Benitez his career, by
the way, if you look at his

924
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:05,559
his wins, the guys he actually
defeated, you know, he became now.

925
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,679
I don't even think people can comprehend
this. He is one of the

926
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:12,519
greats of all time from Puerto Rico. He was the youngest ever fighter to

927
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,800
become a world champion. He was
seventeen years old when he won against Antonio

928
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,559
Servantes, who's a Hall of Famer. To win the title, I mean

929
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,159
that's like a I don't know,
I don't think you never say never,

930
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:27,599
But there are certain records in different
sports, whatever sport you choose to look

931
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,159
at, where you look and you
say, okay, there are certain records

932
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:32,519
that's never gonna be be like,
I just don't think there's ever gonna come

933
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:37,400
a time where you have a bonafid
world champion at seventeen. It's just in

934
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:43,199
common sanse what commissions certain countries,
But what commissions are going to let a

935
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:45,960
seventeen year old fight for a world
title? Right? I mean maybe you

936
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,039
could see somebody doing that in Asia, like in a straweight fight in Thailand

937
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,599
or something like that, but certainly
not in North America. You know,

938
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:58,840
you have to have a special license
even to get license at age seventeen in

939
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,599
most states. Love of being one
of the ones. Mainly you're not going

940
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:06,400
to really see that. In Europe, it's just not logical. Like you

941
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,679
know, I look at baseball,
I don't see any ever breaking like the

942
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,199
all time that the games played record
from cal Ripten with load management. Nobody's

943
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:16,519
gonna play, you know, two
thousand plus games in a row anymore.

944
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,920
So the Benite's record is safe.
But if you look at the record,

945
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:22,599
he was a great fighter and that
win that won the title was a big

946
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:25,039
deal. But I think if you
really examine his record, that went over

947
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:30,280
Duran may go down as his biggest
and best win. You mentioned about the

948
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,599
staredown is epic. You should go
take a look if you can find it

949
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,719
on YouTube. This was an HBO
fight. By the way, Roberto Duran

950
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,679
was seventy four and two coming into
that fight. He had won two fights

951
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,800
in a row since he quit against
Leonard in the Nomas fight. He had

952
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,639
moved up to juniorm middlewaight. He
won two fights in a row, which

953
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:50,360
put him his in position to get
the shot at Benita's. But Benitez did

954
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,920
a heck of a job and this
was a fight where I can't tell you

955
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,519
it was like an all action banger, a lot of good skills, a

956
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:58,679
lot of good techniques. If you
take a look at the pre fight covers

957
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:00,880
a lot of it centered on you
know, both guys in the dealing with

958
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:06,920
them making the weight for the fight. But they closed it out Benitez in

959
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,800
the fifteenth round. You know,
back in the day, you know,

960
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,760
thirteen fourteen, fifteen, that's when
men were men. As they like to

961
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,800
say, it doesn't exist anymore.
Those are the real championship rowns. But

962
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,159
the Benitez had a great body attack
in that fight. And another thing about

963
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:23,519
it was because Duran had quit against
Leonard. You know, he was derided

964
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,400
about that and was for many years
and even to this day. You know,

965
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,519
as great as he is, people
still get on his case about the

966
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:34,960
nomas. But the way that it
was at the time in the context of

967
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,880
when it was happening, because of
the heart and the balls that he showed,

968
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,119
even though he lost the beneath As
a lot of people gave him credits,

969
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,679
say, you know what, he
may have quit against Sugar Ray Leonard,

970
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,360
but he kind of made up for
it because of the heart and the

971
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,280
will he showed to get through the
fifteenth round against beneath Us, who was

972
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,239
beating him like a drum down the
stretch in that fight, in a great

973
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:54,960
fifteenth round. And I'm gonna throw
one more stat at you, which is

974
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,880
freaking mind boggling. When these two
men entered the ring together. I looked

975
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,199
this up also because I know we
were in a talk about this. They

976
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:05,400
were a combined one hundred and seventeen
wins, three losses, and one drug

977
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,639
went into the fight. This was
high level shit big time, and again

978
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:16,039
Benitez deserves his place in that whole
realm with all of those fights in and

979
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:22,639
around there greatness and also at one
of the famed places, the sports Pavilion

980
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:28,480
at Zes Palace, which hosted so
many of the great fights. And you

981
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,079
know, but Benitez gets that win, retains the title and there you go.

982
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,960
And then later on would end up
losing it to Tommy Hearns and his

983
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,880
next fight as it turns out.
But yeah, that's where he had lost

984
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,719
to Leonard in so many fight,
I mean, the the Larry Holmes,

985
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:43,199
tremendous battle with Ken Norton. We've
gone on and on about that building,

986
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,480
in that facility and Ches and Gomez. Ah. Yes, in the early

987
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:50,760
eighties especially, they would be out
there fighting at the Caesars Sports Pavilion.

988
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,519
Great nostalgia yet again, not that
the nostalgia isn't really good or great most

989
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:57,599
of the time, but it's it's
great again on this edition. So we've

990
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:02,119
given you a lot on the recap
podcast, including Heimimongia's victory. We did

991
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:07,320
mention we're gonna do something because we've
got the azz Biwatzi fight coming up.

992
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,639
We're gonna do something on the podcast
feed. I'll go ahead and put this

993
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:13,000
out there. Your conversation with Ben
Shalom is coming up before you and I

994
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,079
are back. You talk with him
recently. Just tease it one more time

995
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,679
about the new agreement with boxer Sky
Sports in the United States with Peacock.

996
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,199
You had an extended conversation with him. We're going to bring it to the

997
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,480
audience before you and I are back. Yeah, I think you and I

998
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:30,199
talked about it. I think because
my interview with Ben was pretty in depth

999
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:32,039
and it was you know, usually
we bring the interviews to the podcast show.

1000
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,159
You know, they're ten minutes,
fifteen minutes, you know, maybe

1001
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:37,719
twenty minutes at the max. But
but Ben went a lot to say.

1002
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,199
We had a real good talk about
a bunch of different things. Our interview

1003
01:02:40,239 --> 01:02:44,639
went about half an hour, maybe
thirty five minutes whatever, And I think

1004
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:45,800
you and I agreed that it was
a bit too much to put on the

1005
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,239
regular show, So we're gonna make
it a separate episode and it'll be out.

1006
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,000
I guess it's up to you,
since you're the one that does our

1007
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technical stuff. You'll put down a
couple of days, but it'll be before

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the bowatzi asas fight, which is
for those fans listening in the United States

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is a well on Peacock and certainly
on Sky Sports in the UK. That's

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a very good matchup. So we
talked about that fight. We talked about

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just a lot of things, his
building up boxer, the deal with Sky

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to get them off the ground,
coming to America at Peacock, what their

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plans are, some of the upcoming
events and things are doing with some of

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their fighters. You know, the
the the competition in the UK, particularly

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between boxer, Mattroom Boxing and Queensberry. You know, they're the big three

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over there, kind of like here
in America you have you know, PBC

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and Top Rank and Golden Boy and
so it was just a good call.

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So we're gonna make that a separate
show. Love that. You'll hear that

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later in the week. You and
I will be back to preview that fight.

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Connor Ben's also in action. We're
gonna hear next weekend from Tea Fimo

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Lopez as well as he is fighting
the Thursday of Super Bowl Week coming up

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in a couple of weeks here defending
his title on the ESPN top ranked show

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from Las Vegas. Super Bowl week, that week, a full show,

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A good weekend, Dan Rayfield,
have a great week. We thank you

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as always for the insight, for
the analysis, and we're done with January.

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Believe it or not, You and
I will be back in the new

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month. Thank you for the time
here, coming off the weekend from my

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man, we'll talk all right.
There is Dan rayphel I'm merely TJ.

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Rees. If you enjoy what you're
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way to do it. Apple Podcasts, Freakers, Spotify, Ratus and review

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