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no matter how, you're coming to this

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Tuesday Tiesday broadcast, Welcome h Jacob
Wornberger was on last Tuesday, and I

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don't know if I said it then, but he's gonna be on this Tuesday.

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And I think we got one more
planned at least, and why because

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he's written a bunch of things on
the Kennedy assassination. Now, he's written

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a bunch of things on a bunch
of things, but I'm focusing on the

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JFK stuff with him. Who knows, Maybe we'll get into some other topics

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in future programs. I would really
like to, actually, but let's stick

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to the subject at hand. And
before I go any further, for those

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of you that don't know. I
just want to note the passing of Zero

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Wect, who you know, if
you're not aware of who he was,

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and even if you're not somebody who
was an officionado, say the content that

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has been created, the various documentaries, the television programs over the many many

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years that the JFK assassination has been
studied. Even if you're not aware of

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that stuff and you're not an intense
watcher, I guarantee you remember the doctor

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who has come on, whether it
was during you know, Bugliosi's mock trial

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or it was on you know,
the various documentaries. Almost anybody and everybody

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who had half a brain who was
putting this thing together would have if they

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were ever going to look at the
medical evidence, called upon Zero Wect.

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And they did. And he's usually
the guy to tell you that the magic

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bullet is nonsense. And he was
doing that since pretty much it happened.

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And as I remember, he was
very prominent in even the CBS broadcasts in

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the sixties. Uh, he looked
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it is what it is. I
forget exactly how old Cyril was.

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I gotta be honest, but I
know he was at least in his eighties,

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and the Duquane School of Law and
Medicine will will certainly miss him.

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It is named after him, you
know, And and he held conferences regarding

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the Kennedy assassination. I don't even
know what to say, except that I

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just want to note that we lost
a serious scholar of the truth who attempted

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to educate a lot of people from
his own professional standpoint, who paid a

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price, even I believe, politically, socially and even financially directly personally,

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in order to alert people to the
sham of the evidence that ended up being

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presented to the ridiculous narrative of the
lone nut solution. Cyril Weck worked at

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it really hard, and I wanted
to note that at the beginning here.

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No offense to you, Jacob Hornberger, but I think it was necessary,

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and tomorrow night, when I discussed
things with Larry Hancock, I might actually

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bring this up again, but it's
worthy of mentioning various times, and we

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are discussing the autopsy tonight. So
this is a Cyril's wheelhouse and he will

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be missed anyway. Jacob. Again, no offense to you, but how

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you doing tonight, sir, I'm
going fine. No, I'm glad you

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start out with that introduction that I
was at the Pittsburgh Duquesne University conference what's

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known as the Weckt Conference last fall, and it was the second one I

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had attended, and the man was
a remarkable man. He was ninety three,

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and he just looked fine to me. I mean, he just he

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looked he was lucid. He's just
he looked great. So this comes as

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a shock. I mean, even
when a person's all like that, it

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can come as a shock when they
seem to be in good health. And

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you're right, he was heroic.
He was willing to stand against the establishment

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from the earliest times after the assassination, when the official narrative was the lone

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nut and he had the courage to
stand against the establishment. He will be

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sorely missed. I mean, he's
highly revered in this in this movement to

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you know, show people the truth
about the assassination. Absolutely, and it's

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relevant to tonight's discussion why because you
know, the first guy that ever explained

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this to me, not personally,
but that ever explained this to me on

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TV was Sarah Wacked. And what
did he explain? He said, Look,

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you know, after the shooting was
over, after all these things occurred,

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you have a body that shows up
at part Darkland Hospital, which is

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you know, nearby, and they
rushed him to Parkland Hospital, and they

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attempted these life saving you know measures, this and that, and most people

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have told me over the year's look, the truth about that is they had

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to. It was obvious that the
man was dead. He was not going

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to come back. But if there
was not great attempts made to try and

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revive the president ever after, they
would have blamed these doctors, right,

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They would have said, you guys
didn't try, he could have miraculously come

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back. You don't know what the
injury was, so on and so forth.

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But that's not even where the story
really gets out of hand. As

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a matter of fact, the next
thing we know is that a guy named

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Earl Rose shows up. Earl Rose
is the local corner. And by the

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way, murdering the president in Dallas, Texas in nineteen sixty three was a

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local crime. So who should have
studied? Now, what is evidence?

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The body of the murder victim?
Now it sounds cold, but it's a

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piece of evidence. Who was supposed
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local pathologist, the local not pathologist, the local corner, the local guy

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in charge of determining cause of death, Earl Rose, who was at the

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at the very least a very competent
individual. Take a look at Lee Harvey

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Oswald's autopsy which he conducted also,
and you know, this guy did his

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job, did it well, and
did not create the incompetent mess. Oops,

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I'm getting ahead of myself. That
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Now he goes there to say,
look, gentlemen, I'm sorry,

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but I got to take possession of
this body. It's my responsibility legally the

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Secret Service. Some you know,
different descriptions here. Okay, some people

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say they grabbed their weapons. Some
people say they pulled weapons at a certain

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point. But definitely heated exchanges occurred, and they were about ready to run

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or rose over with the cart that
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acquired from a local funeral home to
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Now, now, mister Hornberger,
you can correct me anytime as I

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go forward here, But what do
we learn that the body was then taken

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to what would become Air Force one
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Previous to that, it's not air
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board. And at that point,
regardless of that stupid ceremony with Johnson being

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sworn in automatically, as soon as
JFK was dead, Lynnon mains Johnson became

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the thirty sixth President of the United
States. So as soon as President Johnson

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is a board and President Kennedy's body
is a board, they take off head

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for Washington, and later on that
night, finally an autopsy is conducted at

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Bethesda Medical Hospital, a Navy hospital. Okay, anyway in Maryland. But

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there's a lot to this story,
and should we begin here, uh,

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Jacob Wornberger? Uh? Yeah,
Well, let's let's begin where you began

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back in Dallas, and let me
just what you say. I agree with

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it. I just want to fill
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the context here. Sure. I
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used, and that is incompetent autopsy. Hm. I hold, that is

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absolutely false. Oh, it was
not incompetent at all. It was intentional

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fraud. And there there's a difference
between incompetence and fraud. As you know,

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fraud is within a specific intent to
deceive. Incompetence is something negligent,

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they they screwed up. I hold
that this was an absolutely intentionally fraudulent autopsy,

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and I think your your listeners will
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the end of the show. But
if we go back to Dallas, and

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you're absolutely right. Under Texas state
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It was not a federal offense to
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so the federal government had no jurisdiction. And once Kennedy's declared dead, the

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Secret Service has nothing to do with
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president, and that the new president
is Lenda Johnson, and so their job

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is not to protect the body or
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protect the live president. So it
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Not surprisingly, the Medical Examiner of
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is required to conduct the autopsy.
An autopsy is, I'm sure everybody

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knows, is to determine the cause
of death. And it's extremely important because

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the autopsy is almost always going to
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you got to make sure it's done
right. Otherwise the defense attorney will object

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because the chain of custody wasn't followed
or some other technicality. Well, plus,

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you don't have a story to tell, right. You have to be

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able to tell a story in order
to prosecute somebody, and a big part

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of that story is what happened.
And by examining the body post mortem,

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you can tell a lot about what
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individual's death. That's the idea,
anyway, exactly, so good. So

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if you remove a bullet fragment,
for example, you've got to be very

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careful to market and hand it to
a person who then marks it hands it

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to another person so that a complete
chain of custody is kept on that particular

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piece of evidence. Otherwise a judge
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at the criminal prosecution because if there's
a break, then that means there could

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have been fraud. Right now,
that's the bullet, that's the clothing,

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that's every part of the body,
anything the person had on them, et

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cetera, et cetera. Right exactly, So go ahead continue this now,

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So Earl Rose, the Dallas Kenny, medical examiner says, I'm going to

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conduct this autopsy, and it was
just normal, and he just announced I

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got to conduct this autopsy. At
that point, a team of Secret Service

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agents headed by a name man named
Roy Kellerman goes into action. Kellerman is

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carrying a Thompson submachine gun. His
team is carrying pistols side arms. They

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pull their suit coats back to brandish
their guns. They don't pull their guns

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out, but they show that they're
armed, and they're screaming and yelling and

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cussing profanity and they Kellerman says,
you're not going to conduct an autopsy.

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You're going to move out of the
way, and we're getting this body out

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of here, and they Kellerman specifically
says he's following orders. Now. Who

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is Roy Kellerman. Kellerman was the
guy in the seat in the limousine in

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which the president was riding, and
we covered that part of the situation in

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the Zubruder film last week. Right, So the front passenger seat of the

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limousine that the governor of Texas and
the President and their wives are both or

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all four of them in the back
of the car, but in the front

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is Roy Kellerman and the driver.
Kellerman is on the radio, he's sitting

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in the passenger seat. He's not
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Okay, go ahead, right,
and a guy named Greer was the

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driver. Correct. Now you'll recall
that one of the assertions I made last

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week, which you were kind of
skeptical about, is I said that there

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were fifty seven witnesses who said that
they saw the limousine make a complete stopper

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and near stop. And it is
my assertion in my book An Encounter with

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Evil, the Abraham's a Breweder story. Just to show you how these two

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books and these two events enter link. That stopper near stop was removed and

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the copy of this Zabruder film that
they came up with the CIA did.

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Now, if the car stops,
that's clearly incriminating evidence for Greer and Kellerman,

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because once one shot rings out,
the smart thing to do is to

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slam on the accelerator and get the
heck out of there so that there's not

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a second shot. At the same
time, Kellerman's job is to jump over

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the seat and cover the president and
be willing to give up his life for

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the president. And that's what Clint
Hill was doing when he was trying to

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grab onto the back of the limousine
as he was running. He was going

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to cover President Kennedy's body with his
own body and sacrifice himself. This is

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their sworn duty. Kellerman sat there
like a bump on the log and just

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looking back. Well, that can't
be any move can jump after the first

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shot. That cannot be disputed.
No matter what you think you saw in

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the film or didn't, Kellerman does
not make a move. The only Secret

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Service agent you see doing an action
like you describe is exactly exactly. The

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guy who was actually assigned to protect
Missus Kennedy is Clint Hill. But he

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was stepping in and trying to put
his body over the now already wounded president,

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right right exactly. Okay, So
now here, this same Kellerman is

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at Parkland saying you're not going to
conduct this autopsy. We're not going to

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let you in. One Secret Service
agent actually physically picks up Rose and carts

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him over to a nearby wall and
wags his finger in his face. And

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the staff there said they were scared
to death that they thought, sure somebody's

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gonna get killed here. So this
is a very weird thing, Chuck,

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because you know, you expect law
enforcement to cooperate with each other. You

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would expect the Secret Services say,
doctor Rose, we understand you have to

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do this. We're all working here
together to get the guy who brought who

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did this. The autopsy is important. We will stand by as you do

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your autopsy, which would have taken
maybe a couple of hours. No,

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this is people that are threatening to
kill Rose and any other anybody else that

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got in their way, and they
were operating under orders. There's no way

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a Secret Service agent is going to
do something like this on his own because

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it is so bizarre. Well,
as it turns out, there's only one

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person who conceivably could have issued that
order, and that's Lyndon Johnson before he

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leaves Parkland, because when he gets
to love Field, after alluding to the

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possibility that this could be the first
stage of a nuclear attack by the Soviet

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Union, it was clear he was
lying about that because he lawlagags at Parkland

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for about an hour and a half, including removing seats from the back of

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Air Force one and having luggage removed
from Air Force two, which had been

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his plane, over to air Force
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same location, Andrews Air Force Base, and then he summons a federal judge

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to do a swearing end. So
it's clear he knows for certain that he's

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lying when he says this could be
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But it's also clear that he had
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to Kellermann because he's ordered seats to
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His job, Johnson's job is to
get that body out of Dallas at

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all costs and deliver it into the
hands of the military. Now why the

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military. So when he gets to
Andrew's Air Force Base, they deliver the

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body into the hands of the military
and the Navy specifically, and they take

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it over to the morgue there Bethees, a National Naval Medical Center. Why

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the military? Chuck. Everybody all
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But there's nothing normal about it.
For one thing, the government, the

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federal government has no jurisdiction over this
crime at all, much less the autopsy.

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And there's plenty of competent pathologists in
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Virginia and d C. All they
had to do is say, we're

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going to bring him over to such
and such location Morgue Hospital or whatever,

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contact one of these civilian pathologists and
conduct the autopsy. Quick shout out to

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Cierah Weckt on this. He's made
that point several times. Actually sits there

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and names five or six people that
he knew personally that would have been ready,

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and in fact, a couple of
them that he knew personally that were

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preparing to be called, that thought
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Okay, so this is is very
odd, and I got to tell

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you that I've never seen a clear
record laid out that says that Johnson gave

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the order. I've never seen a
clear record laid out exactly as to who

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should have given this order, because
I'm thinking to myself, the superiors in

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the Secret Service, because Kellerman was
not the highest ranking Secret Service agent in

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the uh you know, in the
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I think he was actually in charge
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like he was the lead agent,
say on the ground at the moment.

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But he's not the guy who should
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clearly it came from a higher source
as to where I've always had trouble sorting

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that out exactly where that came from. But it's very strange when he's calling

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upon the judge to come and swear
him in again. As I stated,

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it's not necessary legally, Okay,
despite the fact that he makes this call

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to Bobby Kennedy, Hey, I
know your brother's dead, but can you

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find me the swearing in stuff?
I mean, all these things are going

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on at the time before they left
Texas. And meanwhile, you can see

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online if you go look for it, you can find you know, this

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scissor lift coming down and dropping the
casket off into a Great Navy ambulance,

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which the explanation for many years has
been that since John F. Kennedy served

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in the Navy, they thought that
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I always found that to be a
really, really sad explanation for why it

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is he had to be turned over
to the Navy. But please continue.

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Yeah, the critical part in that
story is that Johnson's having seats removed from

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the back of Air Force one.
That means he is expecting that casket to

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be delivered quickly. He's not going
to be sitting around there for two or

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three hours for an autopsy. That's
why I say that there's no direct evidence

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that establishes he gave the order,
but we can argue from circumstantial evidence,

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okay, And that circumstantial evidence is
he's removing seats there. There has to

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be a reason for that, and
the reason is he's expecting me the casket

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there, so they've delivered to the
hands of the military. Now why the

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military, Well, because this is
part of the cover up. They needed

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a fraudulent autopsy to engage in the
cover up. And this is one of

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the most fascinating aspects of the whole
plot. It was absolutely ingenious, and

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so I'll jump ahead and give you
the context of the plot. The plot

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is to frame a guy who's firing
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who clearly was a government agent.
All the circumstantial evidence, as it has

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leaked out over the decades, points
to the fact that Oswald was working for

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intelligence, either FBI or CIA or
some other intelligence Navy intelligence, and they

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the idea is to frame him who's
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there's also shots firing from the front
as part of the plot, and this

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was established by a press conference that
was held immediately or within an hour after

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the assass after President Kennedy's declared dead
by Kim Clark, who was the head

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of neurosurgery there at Parkland, and
a guy named Clark. Oh shoot skip,

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come to me in a minute.
Two physicians there that have a press

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conference that say three times that there
is a shot fired from the front through

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his neck. And so that that
shot or shots fired from the front,

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was clearly part of the plot.
Now you can ask yourself, well,

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that's just nuts, or say to
yourself, that's just nuts. Why would

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you if you're going to frame somebody
who's supposedly firing from the rear, why

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would you have shots fired from the
front. And that's the really brilliant part,

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the ingenious part of this plot that
it was Malcolm Parry, doctor Malcolm

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Parry. Here's the other position.
So here's the plot. They're operating on

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two levels. One level is that
there's a communist conspiracy that has just killed

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the president. And part of this
communist conspiracy is Lee Harvey Oswell in the

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back, and that was why they
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a communist and then shifted him to
Mexico City where he meets with the Soviet

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embassy and the Cuban embassy and supposedly
the head of the assassination department at the

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Soviet Union in the Soviet embassy,
and then they bring him back. Well,

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now there's people, there's him firing, which nobody doubted, right,

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and then but there's also shots fired
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be an international communist conspiracy headed by
Cuba and the Soviet Union, which means

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nuclear war. Oh that's a big
problem too, because look, the initial

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reports that came out in the media. I think here's where the issue comes

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from. The initial reports that come
out in the media. There's a bunch

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of people saying that he was struck
in the throat from the front. So

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how do you square that up once
people realize that Oswald wasn't in the position

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to shoot him from the front,
Well you have to add a shooter,

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don't you, Or you have to
explain how this happened. Now, this

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stuff was going on even a long
time after, because there were explanations in

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the paper and other places where people
had edited stuff to try and say that

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Kennedy had turned around. You know
at a certain point that actually made a

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full turn in order to get struck
in the front somehow. And meanwhile,

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nobody wanted to bother to try and
explain how John Connolly was hit, see,

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because that's always left out of this. John Connolly is struck and he's

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got a whole bunch of wounds on
him, you know. And and well,

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how do you explain all this?
How do you square all this?

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You can't if you're going to try
and narrow it down to one shooter,

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can you? Well no, And
but you see that that's why I'm saying

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they're operating on two tracks. That
one track. Well, first of all,

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let me let me let me applying
what you just said about him turning

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around. That actually originated from an
article in Life Magazine the week following the

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assassination. Now this again dubtails with
what we talked about last week about the

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Zabruder film. Remember that the Zeebruder
had sold his film to Life Magazine,

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so Live Magazine was in custody of
this film at least by the following week.

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When Paul Mandel, who's a columnist
for Life Magazine, right to column

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that says the Zabruder film shows President
Kennedy turning around and facing the school book

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depository when a shot rings out that
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Well, nobody could see the Zabruder
film because Life Magazine was to question

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in it for the next twelve years. And there's one guy that would have

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known it was a lie, and
that's the Bruder because he saw his film

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fifteen times. But he kept his
mouth shut, as we talked about last

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week. But clearly Mandel was lying. Now my hunch is he wasn't knowingly

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lying. My hunch is that the
Life magazine bosses told him that's what the

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Zabruder film showed. But clearly it
was a lie. Well, there's a

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couple other people that should know that
too, including Dan Rather, who was

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there attempting to negotiate right for CBS
for the rights to the film when Subruder

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had that little meeting at his office. Right, I mean, there's that

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going on too. And Rather runs
down onto the station in Dallas and says,

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you know, President Kennedy's head clearly
violently flew forward. You are aware

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of that piece of film too,
right, Well, he's looking at the

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original film or a copy of the
original film, well, but the real

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copy, an original copy of the
film. But in other words, he's

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looking at a different film than the
film we're looking at now. Well it's

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pretty wild, though, I mean, that's quite a drastic change, though,

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because you know, the head violently, you know, being flung forward

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is something that I think I've only
ever heard Dan Rather say. So,

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I don't know, you know,
the guy's supposed to be observing this film

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and evaluating it and trying to make
an offer on behalf of his bosses there,

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which apparently was a pathetically low offer
and wasn't even you know, close

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to what life was going to offer
and all that. But anyway, let's

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not get bogged down. And I'm
just saying, there's there's a handful of

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people who did see this right at
some point, So go ahead, please

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can take remember what I said last
week about Dino Brigioni. Brggioni says there

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was more than one frame on the
headshot, and yet in the film we

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see the extent film is only one
hit one frame, all right, But

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moving forward here they're operating on two
tracks. It's complex, it's complicated,

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but it's a very sophisticated plot Okay, so they've got an international communist conspiracy,

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which means nuclear war. So it's
either go to nuclear war or shut

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down this investigation. And that's the
brilliant part of the plot. They say,

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we've got to shut down this investigation. We have to just subtle on

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that this is Oswald only loan nut
because we cannot go to war. Okay,

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because if he's a commy sympathizer,
but he's American and he's just twisted,

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then that's just something that couldn't be
helped. Right, He's just this

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crazy kid. No big deal.
We couldn't help it. We don't have

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to have a war, like you
know, the military doesn't need to react.

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However, if this was orchestrated by
higher groups that you know, put

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different people in position and conducted this
thing. If this was done by Russian

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agents, if this was done by
Cuban agents, etc. Well then obviously

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we must respond as a nation.
Correct, exactly, Okay, except for

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one thing. It was the Kennedy
brothers that started this game against Cuba.

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Oh yeah, they had Operation Mongoose. They had sabotage terrorism in Cuba and

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the CIA, which probably unbeknownst to
the Kennedy brothers, but maybe not.

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The CIA says they knew the CIA
was trying to assassinate Castro, So Johnson

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and the plotters say, we can't
afford to go to war when they were

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simply responding to what the Kennedys were
doing. So we need to shut this

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thing down immediately or we're going to
be in a nuclear war. When it

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was the Kennedy brothers that started this
game, this assassination game and so forth.

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So they used that is the excuse
to shut down the investigation, and

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the Assistant Attorney General immediately comes out
with a statement on Monday morning saying,

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we've got to settle and make the
American people realize that only Oswald was involved.

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Now that's Katz and Ball you're talking
about, right. So what they

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do is they get the investigation shut
down. That's the ingenious part of this

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plot, based on the frontal shots. But then the other level is they

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have to convince the American people that
there were no shots fired from the front

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that these these doctors in Dallas were
all wrong, and that's where the fraudulent

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autopsy comes in. They've got to
get the body into the hands of the

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military. So that the military can
conduct a fraudulent autopsy. That says,

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oh no, no, the Dallas
doctors were all wrong. There were not

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any shots fired from the rear.
They all came from I mean any shots

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fired from the front. They all
came from the rear. And that leads

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to the fraudulent autopsy. And there's
I know we have limited time here,

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but let me give you one example
that's detailed in my book, the Kennedy

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autopsy. They sneak the body in
early to the morgue, earlier than the

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official time. The official entry time
into the morgue, which everybody agrees with,

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was APM. That's when you mentioned
that the casket from Dallas, the

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big heavy casket, was put into
the back of a Navy vehicle and then

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slowly driven around to the Bethesda National
Naval Medical Center. It had Missus Kennedy

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in there and Bobby Kennedy and they
don't, of course know what's going on.

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But what's really going on, and
this is detailed in my book,

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is they have taken the body out
of the casket, put it in what's

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called a shipping casket, a lightweight
shipping casket like they use for bodies in

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the Vietnam War. That's used to
ship bodies in airplanes and so forth.

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They put it in a shipping casket
in a body bag. When it was

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not in a body bag at Parkland, it was wrapped in white sheets and

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they take it over first by helicopter
and then in a blackhearse to the morgue

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where it arrives at six thirty five
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eight pm. The early entry time
is six thirty five. Now how do

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we know this? This is the
test the statement that a guy named Roger

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Boigen gave the Assassination Records Review Board
in the nineteen nineties. This had been

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kept secret because everybody in the autopsy
were relating to the autopsy had been sworn

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to secrecy and had been threatened if
they ever talked about what they saw.

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Boygen told the Assassination Records Review Board
that he was in charge of the marine

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detail, he was a marine sergeant
on that that evening, and that he

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witnessed the the casket, the shipping
casket being taken in at six thirty five

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pm into the morgue. Then other
Navy personnel that were inside the morgue said,

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we saw the President's body taken out
of there. It was he was

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nude, he was in a body
bag. And so when this is established,

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Chuck, you know that there are
shenanigans taking place, because you don't

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sneak a body in and lie about
it for decades without shenanigans taking place.

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And the shenanigans were they get the
body in early in order to hide shots

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fired from the front and make it
look to the American people like this was

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a loan net assassination with spots fired
from the rear. So here's the thing,

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right, this gets awfully confusing because
you have testimony from people that are

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00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:42.559
supposed to be watching these things the
cheap of the day. You have,

407
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:48.880
you know, different individuals who were
coremen, who were working as assistants to

408
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.359
the autopsy doctors, et cetera.
And there are all kinds of contradicting statements

409
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:59.119
here right. In fact, there's
even a description of a different looking morgue

410
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:05.200
because there was more than one room
that could be described as a feeder for

411
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.240
an autopsy there, and there may
have even been more than one room where

412
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:15.279
different things happen. But the overall
description and what we know from the FBI

413
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.839
agents is very important, isn't it. It's extremely important. You're talking about

414
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.640
Sibert and O'Neil, right, and
they they were FBI agents that were there

415
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:30.920
and drew up a report. But
let me point out something really important in

416
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.440
the context of what we're talking about, and that's regarding Roy Kellerman. Now

417
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.200
where we're not back to Kellerman and
Greer, the guys that you know.

418
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.119
Kellerman led the team out of Parkland
and they were the driver and the passenger

419
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:49.640
in the limousine. They have to
figure out how to get President Kennedy's body

420
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.039
back into the Dallas casket. Remember
I said that it was in the shipping

421
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:58.039
casket, and the Dallas casket is
up there being taken to the front of

422
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.039
the facility with Missus Kennedy and Bobby
Kennedy. They need to figure out how

423
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.480
do we get this body back into
the into the into the casket. Well,

424
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:13.920
guess who leads that operation. That's
Roy Kellerman and William Greer. They

425
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:17.920
were in charge of getting the body
back into the UH into the Dallas casket

426
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.240
and they used the two FBI agent
Sibert O'Neil to pull that off. Now,

427
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.599
siber and O'Neil didn't know what they
were doing. They didn't know this

428
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.200
was part of a plot. They
thought that they were just carrying in this

429
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:35.200
this Dallas casket which was empty.
They helped carry the Dallas casket into the

430
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.119
morgue, and they thought that was
the official entry time, that's what they

431
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:44.519
were led to believe, which was
seven seventeen, and so they they're shunt

432
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.240
it aside. Kellerman and Greer take
them after they helped them carry the this

433
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:52.720
heavy casket into the morgue. It
was on actually a dolly or what's called

434
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.200
a church truck. They rolled it
in. The four of them rolled it

435
00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:01.640
in. They they shunt Kellerman and
two FBI agents Aside into a separate room.

436
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:07.599
They put the body back into the
Dallas casket. They wheel it back

437
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:15.719
out to the to the ambulance and
then it's reunited with the color Guard so

438
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.119
they can be brought at eight pm. And in the meantime, Sivert O'Neil

439
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.960
have no idea what's going on there. They're over there in this separate room.

440
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.039
But I'm just I'm trying to show
you that Kellerman a Greer were dirty.

441
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.199
They were into the splot up to
their necks. Well had to be

442
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.440
because here they are from the time
he's still breathing and actually getting shot,

443
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:44.000
all the way to this this shell
game going on with caskets and the delivery

444
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.119
to you know, like you said, Okay, maybe it's more accurate to

445
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:52.079
describe it as Frauduly, it looks
like an incompetent autopsy. But if it

446
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.480
is done intentionally, you're right,
it would be an intentional fraud of an

447
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.800
autopsy. And these guys are neck
deep in the whole thing all the way

448
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:04.559
through. You got it, So
you know whose orders are they working on?

449
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:10.280
Okay, Now here's another fascinating part
of this thing. There's another shot

450
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.519
fired from the front that leaves a
massive exercise hole in the back of Kennedy's

451
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:21.599
head, like an orange size hole. But if you look at the autopsy

452
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.599
photographs, the official autopsy photographs,
it shows the back of Kennedy's head to

453
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:30.320
be intact. Now, there's a
recent documentary that just came out, What

454
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:34.840
the Dallas Doctor Saw I think that's
the name of it. Yeah, really

455
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:38.559
great documentary. I highly recommended people
to watch it because the Dallas Doctor paramount,

456
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.880
plus it's on the streaming service there. Yes, they're unequivocal I mean

457
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:50.440
especially doctor Robert McClellan. I would
suggest that people recommend to people that googled

458
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.519
doctor Robert McClellan JFK and you'll find
a bunch of interviews that he did.

459
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.199
This guy was a renowned surgeon.
He went on to be have an illustrious

460
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.480
career. He was only like thirty
something, but he went on to work

461
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:06.320
at Southwestern Medical Center, one of
the best hospitals in the country. Renowned

462
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.000
career as a surgeon, wrote a
textbook and stuff. To the day he

463
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.440
died, which wasn't too long ago. He said, I went to the

464
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:17.880
head of the gurney and I saw
this massive exercise hole, he says,

465
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:21.840
like a size of an orange or
something. And he says, I knew

466
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:23.360
the present was dead at that moment. And he says, I called the

467
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.599
other physicians and said, have you
all seen this? And they said no,

468
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.199
we just got here before a minute
before you did. And he says,

469
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.800
you need to come and see this
because it was a fatal wound.

470
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.599
There was no way that he could
survive it. Now, as you pointed

471
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.800
out early on, they went through
the motions, but they all knew he

472
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.000
was dead. Well, so the
Assassination Records Review Board discovers, in addition

473
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:52.239
to Sergeant Boygen discovers a woman named
Saundra Spencer, and she was a Chief

474
00:36:52.599 --> 00:37:00.639
Navy Petty officer at that weekend November
sixty three, and she worked in the

475
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.360
the Navy Photographic Lab developing photographs,
and she worked closely with the White House

476
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.320
President Kennedy, especially on the development
of social photography, the kids and so

477
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.719
forth. She tells the ARB a
remarkable story. She says, on the

478
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.480
weekend of the assassination, and this
was the first time she had said it,

479
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.519
because they had told her it was
classified, and you know what classified

480
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.159
means, you don't talk about it
for the rest of your life. Well,

481
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.480
they released her from her valve secrecy, and she said, on the

482
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:32.000
weekend of the assassination, they brought
me the autopsy photographs to be developed,

483
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.480
and she says, I developed them. So they showed her the one with

484
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:40.559
the back of President Kennedy's head,
the ARRB did, and that's in the

485
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.000
official record, and she says,
no, sir, that's not the photograph

486
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.920
I developed. The photograph I developed
showed a massive hole in the back of

487
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.960
his head, and of course,
a massive hole means an exit wound right

488
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:57.320
now, Just to be clear about
this, from the bootleg you know,

489
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.719
the bootleg images that are available on
the end in a lot of places anybody

490
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:05.679
listening can find them. You can
see that there is a hand holding up

491
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.119
a flap of skin on the back
of Kennedy's head, but effectively it's meant

492
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.800
to look like his whole back of
his head is intact. Okay, that

493
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.639
image does match up with one of
the images that's in at the archives.

494
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.360
However, the things that are in
at the archives, there is much more

495
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.440
in that collection than what people have
seen in what they call the Fox set

496
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.360
of photos, because James K.
Fox had a copy of these things and

497
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.840
there's a whole story behind that how
they got out. But anyway, the

498
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:42.199
thing is they're showing them pictures here
that quite frankly, all of these photos

499
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.840
have not been seen by the public. Spencer is stating that she's the one

500
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.360
who developed the original set. Okay, And by the way, there's more

501
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.840
to the photographic story as you go
further and the AARRB and when they ask

502
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:59.960
people, especially the photographer record,
maybe you'll get to that in a moment.

503
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:05.800
You know, about these images,
does this match up what you remember

504
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:10.039
and go ahead, yeah, and
she says no, it had a hole

505
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.800
in the back of his head,
which match what the Dallas doctor said.

506
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:19.360
And it wasn't just the Dallas doctors. They're the nurses, Diana Bowron,

507
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.719
Audrey Bell. She they said,
big hole in the back of his head.

508
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:28.639
Clint Hill, who was lying on
his President Kennedy's body all the way

509
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.039
to Parkland, he said, there's
this massive hole in the back of his

510
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.559
head. So people are put in
a position either these photographs are authentic and

511
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:45.039
all these people are lying, or
the photographs are fraudulent and everybody's telling the

512
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.679
truth. And I would suggest that
there's no reason for these people to be

513
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:54.400
lying. Now here's the interesting thing
where dovetails with the Zabruder film again.

514
00:39:55.159 --> 00:40:00.320
The Zabruder film shows the back of
Kennedy's head to be intact. It's like

515
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.760
a black blackness there, black color
on the back of his head after the

516
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:09.199
headshot. And so for years the
people were saying, oh, well,

517
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:15.519
then the photographs must be authentic,
the Dallas witnesses must be mistaken or line.

518
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:21.280
But the assassination researchers who believed that
the Dallas doctors were telling the truth

519
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.320
and were not mistaken. Just said
no, that there's a Bruner film has

520
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.960
to be altered. But they could
never establish how. The only people who

521
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.039
could do it was in Hollywood were
in Hollywood, and everybody knew that the

522
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:36.480
film hadn't been taken to Hollywood.
Well, that's where it's detailed in my

523
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:42.719
book that what happened was that the
film was diverted to the CIA custody on

524
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:46.280
Saturday night and then they came up
with the fraudulent copy on Sunday where they

525
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:53.719
painted on a black patch. And
I've got testimony or statements from Hollywood experts

526
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.000
in my book saying this is amateurs. It was very good at the time,

527
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.360
but now you can tell us amateurs. They just painted on there on

528
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:07.119
the copy. So that's where the
two stories dovetail. Now the autopsy and

529
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.920
there's a Bruner film. Now you
mentioned the photographer, that was John Stringer.

530
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.840
Stringer says, those are not my
photographs too, he disavowsed them.

531
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.119
And here here's another interesting part of
this thing. There's a guy named Robert

532
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.920
Knutson that fits into this. He
was the social photographer for President Kennedy.

533
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.760
He would follow Kennedy around with his
kids and his wife and take all the

534
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:37.639
social photography. He is summoned on
the weekend of the assassination to go conduct

535
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:43.400
the photographs for the autopsy. He
tells his wife this. He comes back

536
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:47.760
on I think Monday afterwards, maybe
Sunday, and he says, it was

537
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:52.840
the hardest thing I ever did.
It was just horrible having to photograph this

538
00:41:52.920 --> 00:42:00.599
autopsy. He then some years later
gives an interview before a national photographic magazine

539
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:05.159
and says, I can't talk about
what I photographed because I was sworn to

540
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.679
secrecy. But I can tell you
I was the official autopsy photographer. And

541
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:14.199
when he died, the Washington Post
in the New York Times had obituary saying

542
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:20.000
he was the official autopsy photographer.
Well, there's one big problem. He

543
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:25.079
wasn't. Right. According to the
official record, John Stringer is the photographer

544
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.920
record for the autopsy photos. Correct, exactly, Okay, but it's clear

545
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:37.360
that Knutson is telling the truth.
Now, here's another problem with this Knutson

546
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.760
story is that you know he was
interviewed by the House Select Committee, Right,

547
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.880
you're aware of this, yes,
okay, So obviously this was not

548
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:51.079
just known to the ARRB that this
guy was, you know, and of

549
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:52.800
course they did a story of this
on the men who killed Kennedy as well.

550
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.800
But anyway, back to this interesting
interview with the HSCA. Have you

551
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:04.719
ever taken a listen to the audio
tape that is available of his interview.

552
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.039
No, but I've read it.
I read the transcript of it. Okay,

553
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.920
you need to listen to it.
I'm gonna tell you why. Oh

554
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:17.199
yeah, he's not on it.
There is a woman, okay, on

555
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.880
there narrating what's happening. I don't
know if he's being interviewed or not.

556
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:29.199
I can't sort out what's happening on
this tape. But literally, there is

557
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:34.239
a woman almost reading a transcript on
this tape. Okay. And that's the

558
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:38.199
tape they have on record, which
is really bizarre. And by the way,

559
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.280
by the time the ARRB decided to
look into this, he was already

560
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.840
passed away, and they interviewed his
family to find out what happened that weekend.

561
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:50.599
What did your dad say? You
know, what did your husband say?

562
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.079
They talked to the wife and the
kids. Okay, But anyway,

563
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:58.519
yeah, you ought to take a
listen to that tape sometimes because I find

564
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:02.039
it fascinating that, well, that's
not him on the tape. How about

565
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:07.519
that? I find that extremely fascinating. But I also found fascinating that they

566
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:15.280
avoided questioning about what he did that
weekend, that all they focused on was

567
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.960
the development of photographs that he was
involved in. Next part of the thing

568
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.679
I was going to bring up,
right, is that they talked to him

569
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:25.760
about developing the photos and what was
on those photos is weird enough because he

570
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.880
describes a whole bunch of things in
his descriptions that do not exist in the

571
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.320
bootleg set, that do not exist
in the National Archives set? Whatsoever?

572
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.079
Do you know that as well?
I'm sure? Oh yeah. He said

573
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:44.679
that the photographs had pro the body
had probes in them, like rods which

574
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.480
you would stick in to check the
trajectory of the bullet. Right. None

575
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.519
of the photographs in the official record
have probes or rods like that, correct,

576
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:58.239
So it's clear this guy's telling the
truth. So he's photographing something that

577
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.559
he's made to believe is the auto. We don't know. This is one

578
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.880
of the big mysteries of this,
but we do know that something seriously amiss.

579
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:13.039
He goes back. He later they
summon him to Washington to examine the

580
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.440
photographs. This is a couple of
years later, maybe during the House slect

581
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.440
Committee. I can't remember, some
kind of deal where he was going to

582
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.719
examine the photographs. He comes back
and he tells his wife, Honey,

583
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:29.039
I want you to know that if
this thing ever blows up up, I

584
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.920
was not involved in it because the
photographs they have are seriously wrong. And

585
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.320
so he was trying to protect his
own reputation and he couldn't tell his wife

586
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.559
what was wrong, but he said
the photographs are fraudulent. That was the

587
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.440
essence of his message to his wife. But what's bizarre is it doesn't match

588
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:52.480
what Knutson says he photographed. It
doesn't match the film that Stringer says he

589
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.960
used. I offer the supposition that
there needs to be a third autopsy photographer

590
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:02.400
here, because apparently what exists is
not what Stringer photographed and is not what

591
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:07.480
Knutson photographed. So where the hell
did this stuff come from? How about

592
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:14.559
that? Right? Well, I'm
not sure about that because Stringer is I

593
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:19.760
recall Stringer's testimony, he was saying
that a lot of his photographs were missing.

594
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.719
But I'm not sure whether he ever
said, you may be right.

595
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:30.159
Well, he stated didn't have an
exact memory where he said those photographs I

596
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.199
didn't take except on the brain examination. I know he said that, because

597
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.719
there's no question he was not at
the second brain exam, which is another

598
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.000
subject we ought to go into,
which is another weird thing. But I'll

599
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.239
tell you just really quickly that if
you go over again Doug Horn's work,

600
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.360
he makes a very good point that
Stringer at one point says, this is

601
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.920
not the kind of film I used. That this stuff is photographed on.

602
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:58.400
It's the wrong kind of film,
which is but I think he was saying

603
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.559
that on the brain examination. Well, either way, we have mismatches.

604
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:07.480
We have problems here. Oh big
oh oh man big problems, no question,

605
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.719
and Conutsans at the center of this
because the military has never told us

606
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.880
what Conutsan was doing that weekend,
and clearly conusans telling the truth. Because

607
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.519
this guy was a renowned photographer,
social photographer. He worked for like four

608
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:23.119
or five presidents. He worked for
I think Eisenhower and Truman and Kennedy and

609
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:29.199
Johnson and Moore, and so he
had a renown. He was a renowned

610
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.400
photographer. There's no way he would
have lied and risked his career. So

611
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.679
when he gives that interview to that
National Photographic magazine and he innocently says I

612
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.000
was the autopsy photographer, there's no
way he would make that up because his

613
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.320
cohorts would say, you're a liar, you've made that up. You weren't

614
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.280
part of that. But they all
kept their mouch hut, all the autopsy

615
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.280
personnel after he gave that interviewed.
I'm sure they were squirming big time.

616
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.199
Well, what are you gonna do
if they present to you, Look,

617
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.599
you're part of the situation, you're
a photographer. And again, he had

618
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.239
taken many I think in fact,
he might have been responsible for like that

619
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.920
famous photograph of I don't know if
it was him or Staunton, but I

620
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.920
mean he's he's actually responsible for a
bunch of iconic images of Kennedy while he

621
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.400
was in the White House that people
are well aware of. But he might

622
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.159
have been responsible for that one with
you know, JFK. Junior playing under

623
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.519
the desk that's, you know,
quite famous. I'm not sure if it

624
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:29.039
was hm er Stauton, but either
way, he's deeply involved in photographing the

625
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.239
living president. Uh, you know
and like you said, other presidents,

626
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.159
and he had a long career,
a distinguished career as a photographer. So

627
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.920
anyway, it's it's really bizarre what
goes on with these photographs. But I

628
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.519
don't want to, you know,
stick on this because there's still more to

629
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.800
tell about the autopsy, isn't there. Oh yeah, well, there's tons

630
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.840
more we can't cover, like the
tip of an iceberg. And that's why

631
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.400
I recommend my book to Kennedy Autopsy
and Kennedy Autopsy too. Oh. Kennedy

632
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:00.480
Autopsy is the biggest seller at the
Future of Freedom Foundation and our thirty four

633
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:06.280
year history. But it's based on
Douglas Horn's five volume work Inside the Assassination

634
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:12.960
Records Review Board, which is the
real break in this case. Horn broke

635
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.599
the case wide open. He served
on the ARRB staff and when he published

636
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:20.719
this book and I read it,
I said, that's it. That's this

637
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.199
case closed for me. He's proven
it beyond a reasonable doubt because he proved

638
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:29.079
the fraudsen and autopsy, and one
of his big discoveries, along with Jeremy

639
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:34.760
Gunn the General Council, was that
there was two brain exams. And this

640
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.599
is quite incredible because the two.
The trilogists are saying they're just one brain

641
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:45.440
exam, so they're clearly committing perjury
if there really is two brain exams.

642
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:50.480
Well, this is what happened the
ARRB we talked about. John Stringer takes

643
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:55.920
Stringer's depositions sworn testimony, and Stringer
says, I was the photographer for not

644
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.280
only the autopsy, but the brain
exam, which place just a couple of

645
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:05.199
days after the autopsy, because they
have to let the brain form up get

646
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:09.760
more solid before they start cutting it
in pieces. And Treyer says, they

647
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:14.079
cut it like a loaf of bread. Right, They literally put it in

648
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.679
a bucket and they fix it in
formula and a specific solution so that it

649
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:22.760
can maintain its shape while they sit
and dissect it to examine the different I'm

650
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.039
just giving people an idea here in
general what happens here. So it's natural

651
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.239
that this occurred a few days later
because it needed to sit in this brain

652
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:36.840
bucket for a couple of days.
Okay, ex So Springer's story makes sense.

653
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.480
Just in case anybody thinks, well, why would that happen you to

654
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.440
examine a day's late, Yeah,
you do, So this makes sense.

655
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:49.840
Go, go ahead. Yeah.
So so Strayer says, I was there

656
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.559
and I saw this happen, and
two of the pathologists were there. There

657
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.119
was the three of us, and
so they show him the photographs and this

658
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.880
gets to what you were saying.
He goes, those are not my photographs.

659
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.679
He says, I don't even use
that kind of film. I use

660
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.199
a totally different kind of film.
And he says that the shots I took.

661
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.719
And keep in mind, Stringer is
an absolute professional. He was teaching

662
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.960
photography there at the at the Bethesda
Naval Medical School, So this guy knows

663
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.679
exactly what he's doing, and he
says, those are not my photographs.

664
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:25.559
I don't use that kind of film. So they take the death and he

665
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.400
says, you know, I was
there with two of the of the pathologists.

666
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.039
So then they take the deposition of
Fink, who was the third pathologist,

667
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:39.360
and Fink says, I was at
the brain exam and the other two

668
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:45.239
pathologists and it was about a week
later, a week after the assassination.

669
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:52.119
So that's how they knew the gun
and torn that there was two separate exams

670
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:59.880
because one took place two or three
days later with Stringer as a photographer.

671
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.800
The next one took place a week
later with fake and some unknown photographer and

672
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:10.199
the other and so the common denomior
where the two the other pathologists Humes in

673
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:16.320
Boswell. So that's how they knew
that there was two separate brain exams.

674
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:21.880
Here's another factor. Stringers said,
they cut it like a loaf of bread.

675
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.239
Like we talked about the brain photograph, which is the official record,

676
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:30.480
which is clearly of the second brain
is intact. It hasn't been cut like

677
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.679
a loaf of bread. It's a
damaged brain. And let me point out

678
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.440
difficult to get a substitute brain because
beth Asa was a teaching hospital, so

679
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:43.079
they have all kinds of organs there
to teach medical students, so they got

680
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:47.159
a good supply of brains there.
So the brain photograph is intact. Here's

681
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.639
another factor. They weighed the brain
and it's in the autopsy report, and

682
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:57.400
they weighed fifteen hundred grams. Well, the average person's brain is thirteen hundred

683
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.239
and fifty grams. Well, okay, you can say, well can he

684
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.880
was a smart guy except for one
thing. Everybody agrees that the headshot blew

685
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.639
out like a third of his brain, So how could it weigh fifteen hundergrams

686
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.960
if a third of it was blown
away. And so that's how the ARRB

687
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.559
realized they've got fraud here in the
autopsy, even more flagrant with two separate

688
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.400
brain exams. Right, there's no
wayn explanation. I mean in the amount

689
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:28.480
of damage that anybody could agree would
have had to have been done based on

690
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.440
what we can see in either the
Zubruiterer film or anything else. Effectively,

691
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.559
I mean, you got Dallas doctors
saying that there was you know, bits

692
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:42.599
of brain leaking out onto the gurney
while we were conducting our life saving you

693
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:45.880
know measures here, right, So
clearly there's got to be some loss.

694
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:51.280
The brain is damaged in the photo, but doesn't seem to be commensurate with

695
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:53.760
somebody who took a headshot, right, So I mean, is that the

696
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:59.320
way to understand that? Yeah?
And in an overall sense, because I

697
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.119
know we're about out a time.
Why is this all important? Well,

698
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:09.280
because there's no innocent explanation for a
fraudulent autopsy. So once Horn showed that

699
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:14.119
this was a fraudulent autopsy, I
who have had legal background as a trial

700
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.199
attorney for twelve years, I said, my gosh, that's it that you

701
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:21.599
don't need to go to d lee
Plaza to prove that this was a regime

702
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:27.239
change operation, because once you prove
that you've got a fraudulent autopsy that clearly

703
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.360
is part of a cover up,
and there's no innocent explanation for a fraudule

704
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:34.800
on autopsy. No one will ever
come up with one. Well, who

705
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.079
would they be covering up for.
They wouldn't be covering up for the Soviet

706
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:42.679
Union or Cuba or the mafia.
They'd be covering up for themselves. Especially

707
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.159
when the cover up is launched at
Parkland Hospital when they get that body out

708
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:52.000
of there, that means that the
plot to have the fraudulent autopsy was built

709
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:58.400
into the assassination plane itself. That's
how we know beyond any reasonable doubt that

710
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.119
this was a regime change operation because
of the fraudulent autopsy. And there you

711
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.079
go. And just to just for
the record here and I'll have links in

712
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.039
the show description and I'll probably drop
them in the chatroom Mittlechelly dot com as

713
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:15.119
well, but definitely it'll be with
the podcast description. The book titles are

714
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:20.920
simple. The Kennedy Autopsy okay,
and the Kennedy Autopsy too, lbj's role.

715
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:23.639
You know, there's a little more
to that title. But anyway,

716
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:28.719
these are not very long books.
By the way, folks, these are

717
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.920
pretty easy reads, and you can
read through them fairly quickly and get the

718
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:38.440
idea about what Jacob Hornberger is describing
here even faster than you did during this

719
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:44.320
podcast. I think, Okay,
read at your own pace. They're not

720
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:46.639
very thick books. I'm not saying
that as a negative of Jacob. I'm

721
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:51.280
saying that it's a it's a plus. You know, you're not going to

722
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:54.400
drown in nine hundred pages to get
to the point, is all I'm saying.

723
00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:00.000
And some people do drown you nine
hundred pages when they don't have to

724
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.159
go to name names. But anyway, it is what it is. You

725
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:07.519
released this initially in twenty fifteen,
right, yeah, or twenty fourteen one

726
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.320
of the other. So yeah,
but it's been out there a while.

727
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:13.800
But I'm telling you both of these, the two of them together are best

728
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.880
to get. And we really only
discussed the main topics that were covered in

729
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.119
the Kennedy autopsy. The first one, it's got that iconic picture of Kennedy

730
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:23.880
on the front of it, where
he's kind of looking down with his eyes

731
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:28.719
closed. You might have seen that
in a larger portrait and all that.

732
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.079
The part two I think as a
black and white picture on the front of

733
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.920
it. I don't have it in
front of me, but the first one

734
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.159
I do. And I actually have
both of these books on my shelf as

735
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:40.800
well, So I would definitely advise
you guys to follow up take a look

736
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.599
at Jacob Hornberger's work. Again.
The name of the book is The Kennedy

737
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:50.559
Autopsy. And you know anything else
you want to say before we wrap this

738
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.880
up, No, we just want
to say that The Kennedy Autopsy is really

739
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:59.559
a synopsis of horns five volume work. I knew that that would be too

740
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:04.320
much for people to read, five
volume book that's coffee table size, so

741
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.960
I said, I'm going to do
a summary of this book, and I

742
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:13.519
felt like I did a pretty good
job of summarizing Doug's main points, and

743
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:17.599
so it's a nice introduction that people
can then use to go into Doug's work,

744
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:22.599
right and look, no offense to
Doug's work at all, by the

745
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:23.880
way, because I have that on
my shelf as well, and I would

746
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:30.280
definitely advise you want to get into
the details. Definitely get inside the Assassination

747
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:35.519
Records review Board all five volumes.
I think volume four focuses on the Zubruter

748
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:43.000
film. Volume five might be about
the greater implications regarding the regime change itself.

749
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.199
But I'll tell you what the details
in every single volume there, the

750
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.360
reprinted testimony, the stuff that horn
puts in there. If you want to

751
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:55.159
dive deep into the details, yeah, get that book, but for a

752
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:02.639
sort of cliffs notes version of it. Definitely the Kennedy Autopsy Jacob Hornberger once

753
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:08.039
again was my guest tonight and definitely
recommend that you take a look at both

754
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:12.760
of them, the Kennedy Autopsy and
the Kennedy Autopsy too. In fact,

755
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.360
it would not be a bad idea
if you order them together. They're available

756
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:21.840
on Amazon and quite a few other
places wherever books are sold. But is

757
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.840
there any place that you'd like them
specifically to go get it from? Tell

758
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:31.639
it at Amazon, and the Kennedy
Autopsy be done with Kindle, and I

759
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:37.559
think we've got it on audiobook too
if I'm not mistaken, but at least

760
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.599
on Kendle in print right, and
I recommend the print books always, but

761
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:44.719
look, nothing wrong with an audiobook, nothing wrong with the Kendle. I

762
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.239
think the Kendle probably is one of
those read alongs. Again, it's not

763
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:50.639
a very long book, so you're
not going to drown in it, and

764
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.440
it's not good for a cross country
thing. If you want an audiobook because

765
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.679
it's not long, okay, it's
short, you're gonna have to combine it

766
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.239
with the other one to get to
get a bit of driving, like if

767
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:04.920
you're listening to your audiobooks as you
drive. But I highly recommend getting the

768
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.599
physical books. I always do because
you know what, during the digital book

769
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.840
burning, nobody can turn around and
edit them on you once you have them

770
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:15.119
in your own hands. So I'll
give you guys the links to The Kennedy

771
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:20.960
Autopsy and the Kennedy Autopsy Too,
both by Jacob Hornberger. Jenny, I

772
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.119
just remembered that we've had a glitz
at Amazon with our print version of Kennedy

773
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.480
Autopsy that we're working out. We
should have it worked out within thirty days

774
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.480
or so. But you can't get
the print version right now. There's a

775
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.679
glitz there. But if they order
it, they'll get it, you know,

776
00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.199
a month laterism right, exactly,
exactly, Okay, So if there's

777
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:44.000
a delay in you getting it,
it's still definitely worth ordering, so you

778
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.599
know, And besides that, people
will hear this later anyway, so the

779
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:51.559
glitch will be gone by the time
some people decide to load up this podcast

780
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.760
and listen to it. So anyway, either way, I advise that you

781
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.599
get both of those books. Jacob
Hornberger's the author and next week what are

782
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.880
We Going to Do? Discussed next
week motive that Doug horn did a fantastic

783
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:09.920
book for US called JFK's War with
the National Security Establishment Why Kennedy was assassinated,

784
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:16.719
and I think it's important to understand
why they considered Kennedy a threat to

785
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:22.000
national security and what he was doing. There was essentially a war taking place

786
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:27.000
between the nation security branch of the
government and the executive branch, and Kennedy

787
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:30.000
lost the war. So we're going
to be covering that next week. So

788
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:31.400
the why of it, which,
by the way, a lot of people

789
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:36.639
have tried to cover this conflict that
was going on within the government, described

790
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.360
it, foreign leaders had it described
to them, et cetera. But you're

791
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:44.199
going to have to hear about that
next Tuesday with Jacob Hornberger when he returns

792
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:46.920
to the Ocelly effects. So until
then, guys, I hope that you

793
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:52.400
enjoyed this, and again wants you
to go and get The Kennedy Autopsy by

794
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:58.000
Jacob Hornberger and The Kennedy Autopsy too, both available on Amazon and in a

795
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.599
lot of other book places where books
are sold as well. But if you

796
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.880
go to Amazon, it'll definitely be
available there. Even if there is a

797
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.079
glitch in a little delay, it'll
be available there. So until next time,

798
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:49.280
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806
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context of the times, and reveals
never before published information about the Cuban missile

807
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:37.119
crisis. President Kennedy would not have
been assassinated if he had been president two

808
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:42.639
hundred years ago. His assassination took
place in the context of the Cold War

809
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.400
and the rise of the national security
state. Before World War II, the

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United States was a continental republic.
In the decade that followed, it became

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an imperial superpower. Generals such as
Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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but knew that there were short range
missiles on the island armed with nuclear

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warheads that they could not destroy because
they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion

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could have led to a Third World
War, and they wanted to go to

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war anyway. The War State by
Michael Swanson reveals why, and we'll show

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you what President Kennedy was up against. For more information, the Warstate dot

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Com dot com radio network