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Big food and be on with Cliff
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So like say subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and me on USh

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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay, Hey Bobs, how you doing man

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Q and a day. I'm doing
good, Cliff, how are you?

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Things are good? Things are good. Have some time at home. My

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dog's on the upswing. She's doing
a lot better now, which is great

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principal concern of mine this past couple
of weeks. As I mentioned, I

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think on last week's episode, get
a little bit of time off, but

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I'm also spending a fair amount of
time in the shop. We're doing a

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lot of improvements. Man, there's
a lot of cool things happening in the

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NABC over the next couple of months. Pretty stoked. You gotta come up

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and check them out. Yeah yeah, yeah, really neat stuff. New

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displays, we're revamping old displays.
We're not we don't have square footage to

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expand, but we're expanding up in
various ways. Some really really neat things

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are happening. So looking looking forward
to seeing how they all come to fruition

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here. I think he told me
that is a surprise. Well, I

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don't want to talk about too much. I guess there are some cool things,

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but we're doing some like a human
origin sort of thing, kind of

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explaining what like the general idea of
what a relati hominoid is. We're doing

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an Ape Canyon display because next year
is a centennial of the Ape Canyon story,

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and in fact, we're gonna be
celebrating that all year long. It's

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gonna be some events. We're trying
to Mark marcell In on some things.

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He's going to help me design the
new display with permission from the Gifford Pincho

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National Forest Archaeologist. We're going to
try to get some of the artifacts that

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Mark has obtained and put those out
for people to check out. Real stuff.

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And then, of course, since
the mine itself was rediscovered just like

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a month or two ago, that
kind of puts a nice punctuation mark in

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the end of that sentence. You
know. We do a commember of coin

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every year as well. It's gonna
be Epe Canyon Center, so we're gonna

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have an Epe Canyon Coin RG.
Yeah, really really neat stuff, man,

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really neat stuff. I'm doing a
display on a human feet because we

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were donated, is that right?
A pair of shoes that were made for

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Shaquille O'Neal have been donated to the
museum. Yeah, from Nike. I

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guess Nike didn't donate it, but
it's one of their employees had it or

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whatever. And then of course that
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Larry gave him to us. Larry's
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bigfooter. So we're doing like,
okay, yeah, a person the size

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of Shack. You know, Shack
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Basically, I think he's seven foot
two or something like that, remember,

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right, yeah, seven to one, like three eighty yeah, yeah,

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So he's kind of a more feminine
saasquatch perhaps, I don't know.

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But his feet, well, his
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They're fifteen inches long, but they
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subjects feet are about fourteen fourteen and
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are about a third wider than Shacks. So I thought that'd be kind of

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a fun, fun displays like put
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to the PG film subject's feet or
some other sasquatch of equivalent length. You

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know, this show that humans of
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shape or functionality of sasquatches. And
of course I also have a few other

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interesting footprints from various humans, most
notably Bob Saggott. I have Bob Saggatt's

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foot print cast, and Bob let
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thing up on the Olympic Peninsula with
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in there. And of course,
if you remember when we filmed that Organ

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episode of Finding Bigfoot, we hung
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second tallest man in Organ. Yeah. Yeah, he's like seven to three

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or something like that, and so
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So I'm making a little display of
tall humans and how their feet are remarkable

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different than sasquatches. A bunch of
other stuff too. I think we're going

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to get another another sasquatch model from
Bo Bruns. I'm working with bo Bruns

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to do some handprint evidence stuff that
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pretty cool. Going to commission him
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there's just a lot of things on
the horizon right now, just a lot

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of things on the horizon, too
many to even mention, but I mentioned

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some cool, Yeah, I did. Bart was up here for five days

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and it was a success all around. We won money betting football games and

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we also had It was interesting.
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to every so often and it was
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night of the year so far.
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So we hiked in and we got
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think we hiked in around twelve thirty
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And we got in there and we
were walking. We were head into the

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spot we always go to, like
the spot you've been to with me before,

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and I thought I heard something.
I thought I was hearing something,

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so I stopped and then I hear
like a you know, just a like

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a pop. And I was like, oh, bar hold on. And

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we sat there and listened, and
then then I heard another one like a

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you know, and then about ten
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them like tap back and forth to
It was definitely not for us. They

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did not want us to hear it. And then we sat there and they

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just kind of they were on there, sort of the creak from us,

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and we just heard them slowly go, not slowly as I guess they're going,

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kind of quickly. We it was
amazing things we couldn't hear any We

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couldn't hear them moving. It was
just we'd hear like a knock and then

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another knock, and then I did
a couple like single collaps and they answered

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me back three times. Cool.
Yeah, but they were like, still,

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I don't think they're answering me back, like for me to hear it.

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Well, one of them was loud
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I think they did so that we
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Then after that, I was like
just real softer ones as they moved up

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away from us. Interesting. Interesting, So when's the last time you were

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in this particular area? I go
that pretty often. Yeah, when's last

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time you heard something? I guess
when last timmer you were aware that they

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were in this particular area. It's
the same place I told you about where

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I was having the daytime stuff where
I never had daytime stuff before. Then

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I just got that clapping thing.
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I don't remember. Summer before last
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I think it was last summer.
Jesus can't remember enough it was, I

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guess it was. It was either
a year ago or it was either like

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a year and a half ago,
or like last April, or it was

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like last May twenty twenty two.
I can't remember. Then I also had

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that's when I where I clapped once
and then it clapped once and then I

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clapped twice. It clapped twice,
and I clapped three times. At clapped

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three times. Then I clapped four
times. I did four times. I

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went back to three and it didn't
do it, and I did two and

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answered to that I did one did
one. That sounds awesome, Yeah it

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was, I was. I was
super stoked on that one. Well,

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yeah, I mean because you may
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they may do something back, but
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a you know, one step beyond. Yeah. And that was also the

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day that I couldn't. I was
like wondering, like is there like some

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CCC you know, like work,
you know, like the young guys gals.

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They have that thing for like seventeen
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Conservation Corre. They go out and
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And I kept hearing like a gaily
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but I couldn't make any words out
and it was so Yeah. When

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I was walking back up on the
parking lot, there was a there was

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a woman sitting there and she was
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like in the early sixties, and
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like, I was like, yeah, I go, did you was there

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anyone else around here? She's like
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was like a car burgler or something
and I said uh and she and then

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so she was some dude was sitting
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there other people in your Is this
there's other people in your van? Like

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that could be down there making noise
or doing anything. And she got all

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pissed off like no, like you
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stuff. And I was like,
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know, it's not them. And
then there was no other vehicles there.

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There was one car but it was
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a few hours later, and the
car was sl I think they were like,

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you know, they weren't around because
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though you know the trail head there's
nothing there. Yeah, so I mean

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that day was a trip. I
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and it was it was kind of
a breezy day, like you know,

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the trees were making a little noise, but I definitely was hearing talking in

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like loud like voices, and I
tried to ask the lady like, well,

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did you hear people talking about her? And she just took a strager

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for cigarette, glared at me and
blew smoke in my direction. Oh classy,

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Yeah, wellea, I think,
I mean bigfooting in my net of

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the woods is kind of I mean, it's not coming to a close right

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here, but you know, the
storm coming in right now is going to

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drop the snow level to twenty five
hundred feet probably over the weekend. Yeah,

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so my best spot's are right at
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that kind of shuts me out because
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very often. Dude. We were
being bared, we came, we came

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back to the pad every night.
Were just we never even went that.

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We never went out deep. We
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the knock, so we stayed.
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We went to places like other access
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I just I was like, god, you know, it was like in

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the twenties, low thirties. I
was like, I just hate camping this

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stuff now and nothing never happens down
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Like I've never had any nighttime stuff
like you go Inland and I've had stuff

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happen at night all like that's when
stuff happens. But so yeah, we

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just went back. We we wouldn't
get back to like you know, practically

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sunrise and then just crash out.
But yeah, we got pretty worn out

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that on the f at night.
Bart was like we were both so tired.

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He just goes because I hate to
say this, dude, I got

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another night, but I think I'm
in a head home. Like dude,

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I don't blame anything. He left
it like one o'clock after night. I

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just went to bed and stayed in
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Well, you know, age will
eventually affect everyone, even Bart.

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Yep, it just did. For
the first well, he was getting over

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like the flu or something, and
then he had when he was driving back.

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Then he had a full relapse.
Well, it had to be more

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than just age for Bart. You
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big futters I've ever met. Yeah, yeah, endless energy and enthusiasm.

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The final night, he definitely was. He did not have the thron to

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his eye twenty four to seven.
It was only into his eye about ninety

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percent of the time. Oh my
god, he's slipping. Yeah, it

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just these like thermal ocular implants or
something, and he'll be set. God,

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I mean I remember how it was, but I kind of almost forgot,

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Like, how like doing that many
nights in a row, how hard

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that is in your eyes? Well, yeah, and everything really. I

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mean, I hate to tell you
both. I mean, I don't know

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how you feel, but we're not
young men anymore. If as all as

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you feel, I'm screwed because I
feel pretty old. I know me too.

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My birthday was this week, so
I got a little extra jab of

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age and me and it's like,
oh yeah, fifty three years old.

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You ain't no Spring Chicken anymore.
Oh well, enough about us. But

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wait, wait, how can I
say that people actually tune in to listen

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to us so well, I don't
know. It's a Q and a day,

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you know, and that's something to
celebrate. This. This is what

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my favorite kind of episode to do. It's just a lot of fun because

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we don't know what's coming, and
then it's a chance to kind of interact

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to some degree with our fan base
and like people who listen to this program

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and everywhere in between. I love
these shows. So that's today. I'm

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excited about this one. Yeah,
I love this. What do we got,

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pru It? Yeah, Prue,
light it up, pruit. I

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will preface this by saying that this
might be my favorite voicemail of all time,

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as it speaks to the inner child
and me and hopefully in all of

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us. Hi, Cliff and bow
Book. Name is Kaya some Colorado and

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I'm wondering what squatches poop look like. I love your show so much.

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They look like giant human poops.
For the most part, I'm not sure

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I've ever actually Kaya. By the
way, thank you very much for the

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question. Colorado is a great state, you're lucky to live there. Do

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you think it's weird that, Like
Kaya said, what does poop look like?

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I love your show? She doesn't
it sounds like, well, yeah,

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I have to say I don't.
I'm not sure I've ever one percent

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absolutely I'm completely positive scene a sasquatch
turd, you know. Yeah, I

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have that one that's that went on
the rat trap with the footprints straddling on

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each side of it. It took
that one brought to the the fishing game

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and so they were gonna like look
at it, and it turned out they

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just threw it away. Yeah.
I mean, I've never seen one that

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I'm positive as big butt. But
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human turds in the woods and makes
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what I would expect a bear.
But man, there's some big bears out

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there too, So I don't know. I've heard bigfoot turds look like big

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humans, and Bobo just verified that
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might be the diameter of a soda
can. Yeah, I've seen what I

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thought was sasquatch scat, and that
was in the Southern Appalachians during a time

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when there was a heavy acorn mast
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mammals and a number of animals,
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eat acorns pretty regularly. But one
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shape of their teeth. You know, their dentition is is fairly unique,

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and you can identify animals via that. And so, for example, when

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I've seen black bear scat that was
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tend to look chopped, because a
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that nature. And I've seen other
very fresh scat that looked like it was

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made of acorn material, but it
had been so finely masticated and chewed and

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like ground into ost like peanut butter. Sometimes bear scatt can get rained on

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and everything sort of degrades, and
so it turns into that mushy like peanut

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butter sort of consistency. But it'll
also be really discolored. You can tell

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it's very aged, and then you
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still find the big chopped chunks inside
of it. But this was like a

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log of peanut butter, and so
it seemed like it was chewed by something

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masticated by something with a very different
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where than bears would have. And
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that there is no definition old black
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they're eating. And their diet is
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and sometimes they are more like logs. And I would say to Kaya or

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anybody else, if you go back
and listen to Darryl Collier's interview, I'm

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pretty sure he recounted, if not
on our interview with him on Bigfoot and

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Beyond, but I know he's recounted
in other podcasts. Incident where he had

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a very close encounter with a sasquatch
and it seemed to have been alarmed and

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it bolted, and right where it
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that was still basically hot and steaming, and it looked like a big pile

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of peanut butter, like heavily finely
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this occurred is full of various nut
bearing trees and so I think it does

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vary a lot. But if you're
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seems to be finely chewed and masticated
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rule out a lot of other animals
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do that. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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We'll be right back after these messages. How does that compare with what you

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saw, Bobo? This one was
it had a lot of vegetation in it,

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and it also had deer. There
was some deer hair, and you

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can tell us meat like that.
It's been eating meat too, just you

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know, it's that real dark texture, and had didn't have some road and

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hair. Just I couldn't tell exactly
what it was eating a lot of vegetation.

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Yeah, again, I haven't verified
anything to be sasquatched poop. I

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didn't have a weird turd, though
appeared by my car I thought was interesting.

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one of our spots, this one

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particular place where we have been repeatedly
finding footprints, and of course we it's

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very likely been repeatedly finding footprints because
we repeatedly walk that road. But on

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the way out, you know,
just walked the road, didn't on the

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didn't find anything. On the way
back, there was a big old turd

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about thirty feet from my car,
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I thought that was kind of peculiar. Of course, it could be almost

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anything, and it does kind of
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so Kaya, I don't know if
that answered your question, but it

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certainly gave us stuff to talk about
for a while. We do appreciate that,

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and of course we appreciate you listening
and then phoning in the question.

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We really when we say phoning and
phoning it in, of course, you

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know, we mean that in a
good way. Yeah, maybe we should

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go to the next question. Hey, Cliff and Bubbo Nick from New Jersey.

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I was hoping you can let us
know some of your favorite casting products

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and techniques. Really interested in how
you all do it? Love you guys,

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stay squatchy. My favorite casting material
is hydrokel white, and specifically white.

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I just like I like that one. Hydro cal in general has a

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yellowish sort of color to it.
It's okay, it's okay, it's real

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pretty. Actually, when you do
like a wash over it or wherever with

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some cement stain. It turns out
really nicely. But I kind of prefer

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the white for whatever reason, just
I figure plaster cast plaster or white.

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You know, it's just a personal
preference there. But honestly, my favorite

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material is what's at hand, what
you can actually cast in. The most

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important thing is to get the impression
recorded. Another great material, dental stone

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is fantastic, has a high level
of detail and that sort of thing.

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It's easy to work with, it's
expensive, but it's good. I think

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the most important thing might be to
whatever you have you practice with it first,

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so you know your first cast is
a track like a real squash track.

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for sure, for sure. In
fact, one of the guys of

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Bobo sent somebody my way. I
was texting with somebody this past week who's

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been finding footprint tracks on a railway
rise, I guess, And that's why

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I told him. It's like he
was telling me what about this and what

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about this? And I kind of
said, well, at the end of

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the day, you should just do
a test run, you know, make

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a print next to the real print
and then try to cast your own and

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see how you screw up, and
then try not to do that on the

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real one, because everybody screws up. I mean, mistakes are made all

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the time. And the more you
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but you're still going to make them. I mean I I screw things

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up all the time. You have
a practice, practice, practice, and

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it also helps the practice and a
variety of substrates, like because casting in

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dry sand is very different than casting
in super saturated mud, for example.

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They both have their challenges and they
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You know, every situation is a
little bit different. So it's just a

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good idea to get out there.
And if you find a bear print,

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cast it, you know, you
find a cool elk print, cast it,

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you find a mountain lion print,
cast it? Why not? It's

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fun, it's cool, you have
a souvenir, and it's giving you that

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rehearsal for the real show when you're
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of the ground. That's my take
on it. As far as and other

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techniques, I guess, but I
think the most important thing is take photographs

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and then cast it. Because what
I've been finding lately is that, you

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know, the books and the photographs
and everything that we see online and whatnot,

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they really have skewed the perception of
what sasquatch footprints look like in the

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ground. And everybody's looking for that
really two or three inches deep, Look

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at the weight the thing must have
had. Blah blah blah. Now they're

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not like that, man, They're
really not like like that, because the

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substrate usually is not conducive to that
sort of impression, or maybe the animals

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themselves, or they don't like to
walk in it. I know that my

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dog doesn't like to walk in mud. Maybe sasquatches feel the same way.

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I don't know, But most sasquatch
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So I don't know, man,
just they're not what they're not what we

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think they are. And once you
tune your eyes to see them, you

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know, you don't find a lot
of them. You never find a lot

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of them, but you kind of
have to tune your eyes. It's kind

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of like, you know, you're
standing on the ground, you look down

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that oh, look there's an ant
and you go, oh my god,

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there's like ten thousand ants. I
didn't even see them. You know,

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you have to kind of calibrate your
eyes to see certain things. Yeah,

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take photographs because sometimes those the footprints
can be seen better in the photograph than

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they can in the cast, and
sometimes it's the opposite. I just put

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out a new video for the NABC
members, because our members get two videos

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every single month that we make in
shop. And in this particular video,

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I was down in the Blue Mountains
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looking for the Summerland tree. There's
a tree out there in the Blue Mountains

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that has a bunch of ribbons and
memorabilia kind of tied to it, and

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it's a place where West Summerland's funeral
was held. And I've been looking for

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the tree for a long time because
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respects. And I found it is
that as at a location where a number

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of footprints have come out of And
so I went walking around, thinking,

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Okay, the best homage to West
that I can possibly give is to look

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for sasquatch footprints at this place that
meant so much to him that he had

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his funeral here. So I was
walking down the creek and I found I

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found a series of three no one
two three four footprints of a biped They

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were either humans wearing boots or a
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weren't real big, about twelve inches
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between them was sixty one or sixty
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a human running or a sasquatch making
good time, I'm not sure. And

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at the time, when looking at
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this is a this is a definite
maybe right, and that's going what

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am I looking at here? But
when I looked at the video when I

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was making the video, the impressions
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than they did in person, Which
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impressions in the ground is so important, because it gives you a perspective.

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And cameras, you know, are
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help you see things that perhaps you
can't see in person. Anyway, that's

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my thought. Take pictures, do
the best job you can, and as

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Bobo said, most important thing you
can do is practice. Amen. I

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hope that helps Nick. All right, you want to cue up the next

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one. Yeah, that's here it
what do you got proved? Hey clipping

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Bobo Ryan from Vancouver here. I
just want to say, awesome show.

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Got a chance to be the museum
this summer. Just great place, full

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of great information exhibits. Matt,
your book was incredible. I think everyone

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should read it. I just want
to know what your guys's opinions are six

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toad prints? Do they really exist
or they use? Are those fake ones

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or is it polydactylism. I know
that even the Kocony beer logo up in

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Canada here has six prints as the
sasquatch on the print. So just wondering

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what you're are on that? Thank
you. Yeah. Interestingly enough, that

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trope, that motif is associated with
some of the mystery apes worldwide. A

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lot of the old legendary sort of
narratives that are associated with these various mystery

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apes include things like six fingers,
six toes, and two rows of teeth.

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Those are frequently recurring sort of mythological
tropes or motifs. But I'm sure

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Cliff can speak to the fact that
there's nothing in the in the modern eyewitness

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record, you know, the testimonial
record, nor the record of modern evidence

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that would suggest that. So it
seems more like a mythological motif for almost

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like an archetypal idea, much more
so than something that's supported by direct observation

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or by the evidence. I can
point to a couple casts that seem to

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have six toe impressions, and there's
a very simple explanation for them, in

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my opinion. But first of all, mammals, you know, like the

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primates, mammals in general, don't
have six digits essentially unless something's very very

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wrong with them, and I don't
think that would be the case with sasquatches

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for the most part. But these
very small number of footprint casts that show

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a possible six digit what the simplest
and I think most reasonable, And I

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think the right explanation for those is
a double strike is what it's called.

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Because here I go again, this
is my mantra. I should make sure

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it's saying. The footprint is not
the shape of the foot, it's the

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shape of the damage done to the
ground by the foot as the thing walks

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by. So if the foot hits
the ground, maybe makes the five toe

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impressions, and then the weight shifts
to a different place or the foot slips

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a little bit, or the direction
to travel changes in mid step, and

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the push off happens after that the
toe might be forced into the ground at

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a different location than it was initially
inserted into the ground, essentially because the

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stepping thing, you know, just
off the top of my head. Okay,

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so maybe change of directions, a
shift, or a slippage or something

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like that. Three things off the
top of my head that might happen in

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that half a second or a quarter
of a second that that foot is in

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contact with the ground. It changes
the shape of the impression that that foot

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made in the ground. Essentially,
it's what we call a double strike.

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Something shifted in the foot, it
changed, and the impression, the shape

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of the damage done to the ground
by the foot changed because of whatever the

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variable was at the time, the
change of direction or the shifting or the

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slipping or whatever it else. It
could have been. Something important to keep

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in mind when you're looking at sasquatch
footprints in general, is that their feet

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and which includes their toes. Right, their feet and toes are about as

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malleable, about as bendy as your
hands are. Now. They probably can't

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do as much obviously, because you
have these wonderful thumbs that are opposed and

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you and touch the fingertips to the
thumb and all that jazz. It gives

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us a precision grip where we can
do things like pick up individual hairs off

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of a table or Bebi's or something
like that. The sassquatches, obviously,

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their feet aren't like that. Heck, their hands aren't even like that.

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But their feet definitely are not like
that. But their toes are very often

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as long as your fingers are.
They don't look that long because they're contrasting

407
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:26.720
with the planet surface on the other
part of the foot, whereas your fingers

408
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.960
look really long because your palms aren't
that big. Right, But when you

409
00:26:30.079 --> 00:26:33.240
look closely at a lot of these
footprint casts, their toes are almost as

410
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.640
long as your fingers are, and
they bend almost as much, if probably

411
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:42.599
maybe even as much, we don't
know. But and when you add to

412
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:48.680
that the midfoot flexibility, remember that
midfoot flexibility isn't just too This isn't just

413
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.759
an up and down motion. It's
a left and right motion as well as

414
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.519
kind of an oblique sort of thing
bending back and forth as well. Their

415
00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:02.880
feet are very very bendy Now those
feet are carrying around a mass of five

416
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.279
or eight hundred pounds and stepping on
the ground each time in this uneven,

417
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.240
sloppy terrain that they prefer to live
in. All sorts of things can change

418
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:17.559
the shape and distort the impression that
those feet leave. Imagine walking on your

419
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:22.440
hands and all the differentiation that each
print would have one from another. Right,

420
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.039
So that's kind of what you're dealing
with. Never forget that when you're

421
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:30.440
dealing with sasquatch feet or footprints,
Never forget that that their feet are so

422
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:37.680
bendy and malleable. They're capable of
some very strange distortions themselves. But when

423
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.160
you take into account that, like, that's not even the shape of the

424
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:44.400
foot. You have this bendy thing
leaving an impression in the ground, and

425
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.240
that impression is a half a second
in length over time, right, And

426
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.160
then there's the shifting of the weight
and the direction of travel, and the

427
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.640
slope of the ground and the water
content of the ground, and all these

428
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.680
other variables play into it. There
are probably close to an infinite number of

429
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:02.279
variety of ways that that foot can
impress, and sometimes double strikes happen in

430
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.839
the toes, leaving the no pun
intended impression of having six toes. But

431
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.680
they do not. They have five. Sometimes they're just hoaxes thoughn that's another

432
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.799
short answer. Yeah, I get
asked about this a lot, so I'm

433
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:18.599
certain whatever people ask me about frequently, they ask you guys about about fifty

434
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.640
times more. But there was a
hoax that was perpetrated on coast to coast

435
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:27.480
am years ago by a guy who
called himself Bugs in Texas. Oh yeah,

436
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.880
yeah. He claimed that he got
and killed two Sasquatches, and it

437
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:36.599
was later sort of sussed out that
he was a local radio personality and a

438
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.720
lot of people recognized his voice.
But even in his fictional story about dispatching

439
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.599
two Sasquatches, he said that they
had two rows of teeth, and if

440
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.119
I'm not mistaken, he also said
that they had six fingers and six toes.

441
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.759
And so it is a recurring trope
that even hoaxers today try to,

442
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:57.640
you know, mix into their stories
because it makes their stories comport with these

443
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:02.240
sort of legendary tale too. You
know, I wouldn't mind having six fingers

444
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:06.480
if I could have two thumbs.
It really makes sense for your seven string

445
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:10.279
guitar playing I suppose it would,
right, right, let's move to an

446
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.880
eighth string. What about you,
Bo? Do people ask you about that

447
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.960
story a lot? Uh, not
anymore than you used to? But yeah,

448
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.680
that was a I mean that was
geez. That was like fifteen to

449
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.400
twenty years ago. It was.
But it resurfaces all the time when things

450
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.359
like Ready and TikTok. People clip
it because you know, those old episodes

451
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.960
ended up on YouTube and so people
clip those and then it's like, what's

452
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.079
the story. There's a new story. Remember Robert Morgan was in some of

453
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.440
those episodes of movie Oh yeah,
yeah, yeahs to drawing the map and

454
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:37.400
he was going to go find it
and all that, and so yeah,

455
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.079
it's one of those things that comes
back to life every few years. It

456
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:48.160
definitely pops up on STAZ. Stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

457
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:56.599
and Bogo. We'll be right back
after these messages. All right, Well,

458
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:02.000
here is the next voice man,
Hi, Cliff and Bobo. My

459
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:06.079
name is Robert from Saint Augustine,
Florida. I have a question. I

460
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:11.440
was just wondering how come finding Bigfoot
never went to the Monster Quest cabin on

461
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.599
snow Grove Lake and also have any
one of you guys ever been to Saint

462
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.279
Augustine. Thank you have a great
day, Robert. I was in Saint

463
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.720
Augustine last night. Beautiful town.
We had a great time. Yeah,

464
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.240
we looked into going there. We
were definitely, we were pretty psyched on

465
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.960
it, but it was pretty expensive
to get in there, and it was

466
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:36.440
pretty remote, and just the whole
logistics wasn't really working out, and that

467
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.839
Cavin rents out way ahead of time. It's like a popular cabin besides the

468
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.680
big Foot stuff. It's real popular
with fishermen, like you got a book

469
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.039
early and so, yeah, we
didn't get up there, but it was

470
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.880
definitely spoken about. Yeah. I
mean remember there were sixteen of us on

471
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.960
the road on finding Bigfoot, four
cast members and twelve other folks, and

472
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.680
still Grove Lake cabin is from an
understand a cabin, you know, And

473
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.640
it was bad enough sometimes when they
had, you know, us for cast

474
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.799
members sleep in the same cabin let
alone, all sixteen of us. It

475
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.559
wouldn't have happened. They just like
that you couldn't accommodate a crew our size

476
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:14.160
in such a location, especially when
you have to take a floatplane in Doug

477
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.799
hijack just went there. I think
in August. He was going to try

478
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.720
to obtain that screwboard for our museum
and do some fishing and stuff like.

479
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.319
That screwboard is somewhere else at this
moment. He's trying to track it down

480
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.759
or and that's what he told me, trying to track it down for us.

481
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.319
We'll see about that, but yeah, that's just not the place that

482
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.680
we can do that sort of filming
because you need to have access to a

483
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.960
lot of things that just would not
be available there. We're kind of a

484
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:38.359
big production at the end of the
day. Finding Bigfoot was a pretty big

485
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.720
production, you know, and all
these guys had to have like, you

486
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:47.240
know, recharge their equipment every night
and the battery packs. Yeah, there's

487
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.079
no generator there, solar, Yeah, they have to They're in contact with

488
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.480
the production company back in LA and
stuff all the time and shooting things around

489
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.680
to the network. And yeah,
there's it's a big, big thing,

490
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.920
you know, and impossible to do
at such a location. Can you imagine

491
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:06.599
how many float planes it would have
taken to get you guys in the entire

492
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:09.200
crew and all that equipment there.
Oh dude, Yeah, I only had

493
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.000
one plane to going in and out, so it would have been just is

494
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.720
logistically it was not happening. Yeah, I think how hard like Nepal was

495
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:21.240
for us, because that's probably as
close as we came to such an isolated

496
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.799
location, you know, because there
was electricity up there, but I don't

497
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.400
even know how they generated it.
It wasn't wires or anything, was it.

498
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.599
I mean they had water hydropower.
Oh, they had hydropower up there.

499
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:36.319
That makes sense. Yeah, because
we had to take what three helicopters

500
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.799
and farius back and forth, and
yeah, it was it was a big

501
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.559
thing to get us all up there. It wasn't easy for all of them,

502
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.880
especially, you know. But yeah, I think snow Grove this the

503
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:52.799
accommodations just could not support a film
crew of sixteen. Essentially, we probably

504
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.000
narrowed it. I mean we probably
traveled with twelve or fourteen to Nepaul though,

505
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.079
we you know, to shave off
some of the extra weight, so

506
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.240
to speak. Saint Augustine though,
yeah, I've been to Saint Augustine.

507
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.960
I spoke at Lauren Coleman's cryptoology conference
back in I don't even know what year,

508
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:07.960
twenty fourteen maybe or something. I
don't know what year, because you

509
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.039
know, you know, my sense
of time is weird. No, I

510
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.119
would think it was there. It
was lovely though, nice little town.

511
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.759
It's not far from some good habitat
either in the Ocala Wildlife Management Area and

512
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.880
the O'calla National Forest. There's a
lot of reports. But yeah, I'd

513
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.039
never been there before. But I
was just there for one night, literally

514
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.839
last night. It was amazing.
It was super cool town, lots of

515
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.599
cool history and never been there.
I've seen like, yeah, I've seen

516
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.880
it on travel shows and stuff places
like forrad Yeah, it's totally cute.

517
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.720
It's a neat town. We did
the ghost tour and the night before we

518
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.920
had done a ghost tour in Savannah
because it's funny. You just ride around

519
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:44.519
and they tell you a lot of
the history. But both hosts were referencing

520
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.599
people that we've had on this podcast, and I just didn't say anything,

521
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.119
but they were talking about, you
know, various TV shows, and I

522
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.039
was like, oh, yeah,
Cliff and Bobo had them on this podcast.

523
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:57.799
Were they ghost nerds like they were
talking about, Yeah, they were

524
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.000
totally ghost nerds. And of course
they were like, you know, asking

525
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:05.000
people if they believed or disbelieved or
were fence sitters, And I just didn't

526
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.639
raise my hand because on any of
the questions, because obviously I have a

527
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:15.320
very large noticeable sasquatch silhouette tattoo,
and so to raise my hands, especially

528
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.239
if it's a matter of fin sitting
or disbelief while being you know, emblazoned

529
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.199
with sasquatch iconography is like the total
throwing stones and glasshouses sort of a thing.

530
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:28.239
So I just stayed quiet. Right, it's like the scarlet a or

531
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.880
the mark of the beast or something. Who could believe such hogwash? Anyway,

532
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:37.880
on this week's episode of a Big
Foot of Beyond Right, well,

533
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.719
I hope that helps Robert. Should
we go to the next question question?

534
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.920
Good eye, Cliff, and bye
bye. Paul. Here from Australia.

535
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.800
Many years ago, I had the
privilege of interviewing the light Great Rex S.

536
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.400
Gilroy. What a legend. One
thing that he said that fascinated me

537
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:59.639
was that he felt strongly that Haimo
erectus had survived on the Australian consonent why

538
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.719
into modern times many many sightings of
sasquat slash yow He's he believed were in

539
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:10.239
fact sidings of Homo erectus. So
my question is that, while I'm hoping

540
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.039
that you must have had some contact, perhaps talk with Rex yourself over the

541
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.760
years before he passed, did you
ever hear such a tale? And what

542
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:22.280
are your thoughts? Love the show? Thanks again from down I'm to keep

543
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.519
up the great work. Cheers.
Yeah, I talked to him. He

544
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.679
kind of had the beginnings of dementia
go and we were down there to film.

545
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.480
He's interesting guy. Yeah, I
was amazed. Like his butterfly collection,

546
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.840
he said, like the biggest butterfly
private collection in all Australia. He

547
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:44.079
was a noted geologist. He was
an all around interesting guy. I'm not

548
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:49.119
sure about all his theories on the
Harmonid line lineage that would account for the

549
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.000
Yawi and stuff. I don't know. I think some of this stuff was

550
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:57.880
kind of disproven by general anthropologists and
geologists. Yeah, you know, home

551
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.760
Erectus remains had never been found on
Usustralia. Of course, the type specimen

552
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.360
was found in Java, which isn't
that far away. It's in Indonesia,

553
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.960
of course, so maybe they've got
there eventually. But home Erectus fossils have

554
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:13.440
never been uncovered from Australia. Then
again, neither have all sorts of other

555
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.519
things that could be the AWI essentially, so that doesn't discount it. But

556
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.920
I don't think that Homo Erectus is
a good candidate for the Ayui. Honestly,

557
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.239
home Erectus used tool the tools they
controlled fire from. Understand they're smaller,

558
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.599
and you know, they're just a
hair under five about six feet tall.

559
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:31.920
I don't think they're a good candidate. We don't have a lot of

560
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.480
photographic evidence of the Aoi, but
we do have those interesting thermal hits,

561
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.679
a couple of those over the last
couple of years, and that kind of

562
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:44.960
thing that those particular thermal hits,
to me, at least the silhouette that

563
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:50.199
is that has shown to us strongly
suggests sasquatch to me. But Cliff,

564
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.159
you always say you like Paris was
smaller than that. Yeah, yeah,

565
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:58.679
Parantapis was four or five feet tall, but home Erectus had was much more

566
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.679
recent as well and had less time
to evolve. And the reason I think

567
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.760
that paranthropists is a decent candidate for
sasquatches is that they are identical to sasquatches

568
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.480
pretty much, and if they went
northward, they would have gotten into colder

569
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.159
climates, and colder climates will make
an animal grow larger over generations. I

570
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:22.960
don't know how large the Java man
was, how large the Indonesian home erectus

571
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.079
was, but I would bet that
they were on the smaller side of the

572
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:30.159
scale because of Bergmann's rule. That'd
be my feel on that feeling of that

573
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.079
one. But I think the tool
use and the fire use and all that

574
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:38.280
sort of stuff that automatically eliminates home
erectus from being what the Yaui probably is

575
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:43.639
because fire and tool use. To
me, I could be wrong, but

576
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:47.480
to me seems like too useful of
a adaptation to get rid of once you

577
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:52.199
obtain it. So there aren't stories
of yaoi's, you know, doing flint

578
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:58.360
napping and making spears and controlling fire, so I don't think that's a good

579
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:02.159
candidate for them. Hello from South
Africa, A big fan of the podcast.

580
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:06.679
Here all the way on the tip
of the continent. I have a

581
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.800
fun fact and a question for you, gentlemen. So the fun fact is

582
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:15.519
is that the indigenous peoples of South
Africa have many myths and legends about a

583
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.920
small hairy man known as a tacolosh. The Tokolosh is known as a trickster

584
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.000
and someone or something that can be
sometimes used for nefarious purposes by witches and

585
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.400
warlocks. And then my question for
Cliff, Bobo and Matt Well let's not

586
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:38.199
forget him is the paleontology. In
the paleontological world, there have been issues

587
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:45.679
around fossils falling into the hands of
private collectors and never being available for scientific

588
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:52.800
study or research. And the question
that I have is what stories or rumors

589
00:38:52.880 --> 00:39:00.360
or reports have you guys come across
of perhaps samples or even who knows,

590
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:06.360
spacimens which have fallen into the hands
of private collectors and maybe we'll never see

591
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.960
the light of day. Thanks guys, really love the podcast, Keep it

592
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.119
up. The first thing that comes
to mind is the vast majority of Bigfooters

593
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.440
don't share their stuff at all,
really, it seems. And that's not

594
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.639
necessarily because they're selfish or anything like
that. Otherwise, in some cases people

595
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:30.760
protective protect their finds feverishly and don't
let anybody else see them. And I

596
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.800
think those people are very often the
ones who probably either have you know,

597
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:39.119
cast human prints, or don't like
the scrutiny of other people and their opinions

598
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:44.039
and that sort of or maybe are
afraid that their stuff will come to light

599
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.960
as not true or something like that. I know, it seems like a

600
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:51.639
lot of people collect stories about their
encounters of sasquatches, for example. And

601
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.599
I'm not saying that this is an
example of what this gentleman's asking for,

602
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:59.960
but stories are a very safe way
to show other people you have in our

603
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.119
actions with sasquatches. Because you don't
have to prove anything. You have comfort

604
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.039
in the fact that you know this
juvenile came on the hill when it was

605
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.760
playing with your tent or you know, throwing rope around or building whatever,

606
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.239
that kind of thing, because you
don't have to prove anything to anybody,

607
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.800
Whereas if you have evidence of it, well, then you may have to

608
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:22.000
face the fact that maybe this you're
misidentifying something. And I think a lot

609
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.880
of people don't share evidence for that
reason because as long as nobody else sees

610
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.440
it, nobody else can refute it. But in some cases, other people

611
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:32.079
just like I collect the stuff for
my own purposes and I don't care,

612
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.400
and I kind of respect that in
no way, although I'd like to see

613
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:38.239
it too, you know, And
of course I think we've all heard.

614
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.000
I mean, we've talked about it
on the show lots of times, and

615
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.280
I know Bobo has several stories of
this sort of thing where people have photographs

616
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:50.360
or videos or game camera pictures or
something like that that they just don't want

617
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.960
out there because they don't want the
scrutiny or they don't want the attention or

618
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:58.920
you know, the ridicule and that
sort of thing. Yeah, as far

619
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:05.320
as I was, like like those
Egyptologists that people like buy looted treasures,

620
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.400
you know, ancient treasures, like
there's that giant market, I think he

621
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.480
was asked if there's anything like that
a big Foot. I don't think there's

622
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.039
anything like that was a big foot
at all. Well, I think he

623
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.920
meant, like, what stories have
we heard about people finding fossils or bones

624
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:22.760
or remains and then choosing to keep
it in a personal collection rather than like

625
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:24.800
submitting it to an institution or something. Well, the only thing I know

626
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.440
about that would be, uh,
that's that I not as real as Mike

627
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:34.320
Ruggs tooth. They wanted to destroy
so much with it, it would have

628
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.079
destroyed the whole tooth to do a
test, and he was he didn't want

629
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.239
to do because he thought the technology
wasn't up to snuff yet. But I

630
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.280
don't know what his deal with that
is now. I've been talking to him

631
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.159
about it all the years. Dahn. There's so many stories. I mean,

632
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:50.400
the Minaret skull story comes to mind. I know we've talked about that

633
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.679
before, but I'll put a link
to that in the show notes. I

634
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.119
mean I personally heard stories. I
heard one not that long ago that didn't

635
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.760
go anywhere, a gentleman in Canada
who claimed to have shot one and collected

636
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:06.119
the bones and had some of them
in storage and some of them buried somewhere.

637
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.719
I mean, those kind of stories
occur all the time, but like

638
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.320
Cliffs said, they're just stories like
no one's. They're not associated with like

639
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.760
photos or even a fragment of the
bone. It's just people making claims.

640
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:19.920
Yeah. I literally heard one of
those last week or the week before,

641
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.679
like in the museum. Yeah,
because somebody came in and I know this

642
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.280
person, and they shot a sasquatch. They thought it was somebody trying to

643
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.679
break into their chicken coop or something
like that. They shot it and buried

644
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.320
it back and then like this,
there's a very old man who shared this

645
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.760
story with somebody about his father killing
a sasquatch, you know, maybe in

646
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.719
the forties or fifties or actually it
wasn't that long ago, thinking about that,

647
00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:44.800
when I said forty, it was
actually forty years ago to have been

648
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.199
like the eighties or something like that. Yeah, I literally heard a story

649
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.679
like last week or the week before
about this sort of thing, and I

650
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.320
just said, well, he can
either come forth and prove the species and

651
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:58.360
spare the lives of all the other
ones, or he can go to the

652
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.920
grave with this story, and there
you go. He just sentenced another one

653
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.119
to death his choice. Tell him
that, please, And if you want

654
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.719
this serious wants somebody to seriously look
into this, here's my number. Call

655
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.840
me. But nothing. You know
someone who has a lot of those sorts

656
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.920
of stories, and I think he
told some of them on this podcast,

657
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:16.519
but I know we had a lot
of conversations about it off the record,

658
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.199
so I can't remember because it's been
a couple of years, but it was

659
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.039
Ken Walker, the famous taxidermis in
Canada. Had talked to so many people

660
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.199
who claim, like, oh,
yeah, I know a hunter who has

661
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.840
shot one or found one, or
has bones or a pelt or a tooth

662
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:32.440
or a jaw. I mean it
went on and on, and so yeah,

663
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.760
those stories are in abundance. Aiden
they just at this stage they're just

664
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.559
claims, unfortunately, but they're definitely
worth chasing me out. If there's any

665
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:45.320
story that's worth chasing down, it's
that sort of story. But other people

666
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.280
have a bunch of footprint casts,
and because I'd come across that a lot,

667
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.239
because that's kind of what I like, you know, a lot of

668
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.639
footprint casts and don't really share them, or they might bring a couple by

669
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:59.960
the shoppers, like this one or
whatever, and then but I'm interested in

670
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.639
data behind them, like when and
where where they found. And sometimes people

671
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:07.079
are just hard to nail down or
don't or don't want to share their store

672
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.159
their locations, even though I may
even already know where they are, but

673
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.519
they don't want to share the data
in that sort of way because you know,

674
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:15.440
they worked really hard at it.
I understand that they worked really hard.

675
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.159
You know, if you if you
if you walk up and down a

676
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.719
river all day long and you find
three or four fishing holes that always produce

677
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.440
fish, I may not want to
tell where those locations are either, you

678
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.559
know, I get it. But
at the same time, I would tell

679
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.039
my buddies, you know, I'd
tell you guys, and you can go

680
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.840
catch those same fish. I think
that's important. So I don't know,

681
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.880
I say it a lot. Data
not shared is exactly the same as not

682
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.760
having any data at all. Yeah, That's why I have a museum.

683
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.960
That's why I'm doing the archiving project. I had the I had Joanna or

684
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.000
our volunteer at the museum here.
She was here for six hours, eight

685
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:57.280
hours a day or something, or
six or seven hours today archiving stuff from

686
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.119
the you know, from the Chuck
Edmonds collection, the Barbara Watson collection,

687
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.239
making a big archive of this stuff, and eventually it's going to go online

688
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.079
for the public to utilize, because
I do believe it's important to share data,

689
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:13.079
you know, and I'm trying to
figure out the best way to do

690
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.679
that with my footprint cast, with
my historic collections here at the NABC,

691
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.679
maybe even putting some of the NABC
exhibits online, you know, like doing

692
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.920
like a walkthrough or a talkthrough or
something like that. I don't know's I've

693
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:30.199
got all sorts of ideas and so
limited time, so we'll see. Stay

694
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.320
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

695
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:45.280
after these messages. Our first submission
is from Matthew Davis and the Finding Bigfoot

696
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:50.400
episode titled Holy Cow It's Bigfoot was
the response during the final night investigation,

697
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.199
A real Bigfoot. That was probably
the best I've heard from the show.

698
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.599
What show is that? I wonder? Holy Cow? Yeah, I know,

699
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.360
I got to look that up because, honestly, Matthew, I don't

700
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.679
think about the up episodes by their
names. I think about them by the

701
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:06.960
location. Yeah, we never even
knew what the name was. And there's

702
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:14.519
only one name that I remember,
and it's a DRONI loves Joji. Okay,

703
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:19.280
let's see where this Holy Cow It's
Bigfoot mysterious video and reports from Utah

704
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:24.320
State University. Oh okay, that
was uhle see Moneymaker's hair is short.

705
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:30.079
So that's early on. Let's see
when what season? This was twenty twelve,

706
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.760
season two March March twenty twelve.
Yeah, so that was first that

707
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:37.559
was second season. It had to
be second season. That's where we went

708
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.559
to that hardware ranch or something like
that. I remember that Bobo oh or

709
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.880
the Elkore in the winter. Yeah, exactly. That was on my birthday,

710
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.199
I might add, So that was
that was twelve years ago, No,

711
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.280
eleven years ago, yesterday, No, that's not right. It was

712
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.119
that we filmed that in twenty eleven. We must have so episode. Yeah,

713
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.519
it was Thanksgiving where we had that
rat Thanksgiving that how Yeah, yeah,

714
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.480
bear Lake. That was cool.
I guess today's two days after my

715
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.400
birthday. So yeah, that was
twelve years and two days ago. Interesting

716
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.360
birthday. Oh, thank you,
I appreciate that. Well, yeah,

717
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.199
that was absolutely real. That was
an awesome vocalization from that hardware ranch or

718
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.800
whatever that was called, and the
kind of outside of Salt Lake City somewhere.

719
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.159
I don't know where that is,
but I imagine our local Utah listeners

720
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.800
probably do. That was a great
night. That was a lot of fun.

721
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.840
It was a great night, except
for the snow, because you know,

722
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.920
I don't like snow. But that
was a good vocalization and we're pretty

723
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.719
stoked to get it. That was
one of the better ones that recorded.

724
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.519
We probably I probably heard better ones
over the nine years of filming that show,

725
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.760
But as far as the recordings and
how they turned out, that one

726
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.119
worked really well. Yeah, because
as as any veteran of the field knows

727
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.519
what you hear with your ears is
almost always better than what you would get

728
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.719
on the recorder. Yeah, unless
you got a really good recorder, that's

729
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:58.000
the opposite. Yeah, yeah,
like a parabolic or something. Those few

730
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.440
times that Tyler balance captured things on
pair of all for us anyway, So

731
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.360
yeah, that's the real deal.
It was a good, good vocalization.

732
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.519
We're pretty stoked on it, and
there you go. Next question, this

733
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:13.039
one comes from Greg Brush. He
asked, did anyone keep one of the

734
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.679
camera backpacks used during the night investigations. It would be a cool addition to

735
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:21.119
the museum, That is true,
but I was more than willing to get

736
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.280
those things the hell out of my
life and stay out of my life.

737
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:27.719
Mine's burned. Yeah, I would
love to have one of those because I

738
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.920
think it would be really really cool. But at the same time, Ping

739
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.800
Pong Productions has those, and they
probably recycled them and regurgitated them for other

740
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.639
shows or something like that. You
got it, and you gotta do like

741
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.880
the original ones where the screws run
backwards, so the screws went into your

742
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.599
actual bath instead of the other way. Yeah, they really showed their appreciation

743
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.280
for us at first. Yeah,
they had like these four inch four or

744
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.599
five inch long bolts that were keeping
things on and they would just go in

745
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.280
just an inch or two to the
left or right of your spine at various

746
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.079
places. It was cool. You
could make one pretty yeah, I know,

747
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.679
but wouldn't be the same. I've
got some finding Bigfoot stuff up in

748
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.039
the museum, like the bat from
Lousville Slugger, and I have the map

749
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:13.079
from the organ episode because you know, we're an organ, so that sort

750
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.360
of stuff. But yeah, the
backpacks would be cool, But also,

751
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.519
my museum isn't about finding Bigfoot.
Finding Bigfoot was a blip on the screen

752
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.239
for me. It was nine years
of my life a long time, of

753
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.679
course, and I deeply appreciate the
opportunity. But at the same time,

754
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:28.360
I'm onto bigger and better things and
TV shows at this point. Man.

755
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.400
Yeah, I really think about it. Yeah, Yeah, it was a

756
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.639
lot of fun, don't get me
wrong. But I think I've done better

757
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.320
work since finding Bigfoot. Honestly,
I think the stuff that we've been getting

758
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.199
here at the museum, that our
members know about because you know, they

759
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.400
get to see our documentaries, I
think that stuff is of way higher value

760
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:51.480
than anything we did on Finding Bigfoot. Absolutely, why don't we take one

761
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:55.800
last question? It's all you bobs. Last question name Perry Message, good

762
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:00.199
day, love the show. I
listened to Bobo's interview on Joe Rogan ton

763
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:02.960
of times and would love to know
when or if you both go back on

764
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.000
and school him a bit more.
Also, when are we going to get

765
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.440
Pobo's big book A Bigfoot? Ah? I love the show. Rogan.

766
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.280
Yeah, he's not a big fan
of the Squatch. He went up to

767
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.119
Washington for like a week with these
guys and I guess they were like one

768
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.880
of the guys really turned him off, you know it. It was like,

769
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.880
I know it all like there were
things in the brush that he said

770
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:28.199
these guys had squatched on the brain. They were trying to say all these

771
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.000
different things were bigfoot reate and he
said, as far as you can tell,

772
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.840
they absolutely were not. They were
like normal animal sounds and this and

773
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.480
that, and he uh, yeah, he got he got pretty when I

774
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.719
left the show. When I left
to his studio that day, he was

775
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.239
like he kept but like he said, you gotta come back, you gotta

776
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:46.159
come back. You know, you
got to come back. And I was

777
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.840
supposed to go on like through their
times and I this sounds totally stupid,

778
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.440
but we were so busy I forgot
to call him and to go back and

779
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:57.760
then uh, then he got Then
he went out on that with those guys

780
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.159
and got totally turned off to the
whole thing. But yeah, I think

781
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.800
if the squatch thing breaks, you'd
have us on for sure. That's That's

782
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.000
one of my biggest regrets in life
is that I totally went you know,

783
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:15.039
like with the guys that were telling
like melbows the real deal, and I

784
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.000
went in pretty hard on the rogant
things, saying like this is going to

785
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:21.000
prove it all, you know,
and then got egg on the face.

786
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.039
Well, that's one of the dangers
of speaking about sasquatches at all. If

787
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.239
you talk enough, you're going to
be wrong a fair amount. Oh yeah,

788
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.480
you know, And as long as
you're okay with that going in,

789
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.199
then everything's fine. It's always those
people that like you were incorrect when you

790
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:36.360
said this back in the days,
Well, dud, dude, I'm talking

791
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.760
about bigfoot. I'm probably wrong a
lot. Nobody knows anything. Yeah,

792
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.800
that was the the but that was
like a bigger mistake, as you could

793
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.679
or you know, the biggest area
you could publicly state front, you know,

794
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.599
the last fifteen years. Well,
at least you got the big one

795
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:54.360
over with them, smooth sailing from
here on out, Bobs, we'll see,

796
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.599
all right. Well, I guess
that was the last question for Q

797
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:01.280
and A for this month. Actually, no, we didn't even do one

798
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.400
in November. I'm a little sad
about that. I missed it, So

799
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.079
I don't know. Maybe we'll bust
out too this month and make it even

800
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:10.199
up, but maybe not, because
this is December. Now, this December,

801
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.920
we're running out of time this year
and we got another year. Today's

802
00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:16.480
November. Yeah, but when this
airs, it is not so they won't

803
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:22.199
even notice. We won't even notice. What's that calendar for anyway? So

804
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.039
anyway, yeah, that was the
last question for our big fit to be

805
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.199
on Q and A for right now. We'll do another one of these things

806
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.840
soon because we enjoy it. Maybe
we even get to a topical one this

807
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.079
month. But thank you all for
listening. Sure appreciate it. And now

808
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.840
we're going to go record the member
section because we do a special member's only

809
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.559
Q and A every single month,
and if you do want to become a

810
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:44.400
member, you get all sorts of
extra time with Cliff and the Bobes.

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You get like an hour a week
or something like that, give or take

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a little bit. And we're a
little bit less editing on the side of

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Matt Preuitch, which makes for slightly
more risky content at times. But anyway,

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thank you all for listening. Bobes, why don't you take us out

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of here? All right, folks, thanks for tuning in, and you

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know what to do until next week, y'all keep it squatchy. Thanks for

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