Using free speech to free minds. If you are listening to The David Knight
Show, as a clock strikes thirteen, it's Monday, May twenty seventh,
year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Well, today we decided in
the last minute to take the holiday off of family and friends. So we're
going to do a best of interviews broadcast. You know, for Memorial Day.
It's a time that we remember those who died serving their country, but
does the government value those who serve We're going to begin today with our best
of interviews. We're going to begin with Davis Johnce, who defended military service
members from unconstitutional, unlawful orders to force vaccinate them and of course the fight
is still going on for over a quarter of a million military personnel. We're
going to talk about the film Seals Beat Biden that tells that story. Next,
we have Catherine Austin Fitz joining us to talk about the rising resistance to
digital slavery and the key to that fight financial transaction privacy. Arin Day will
be joining us to talk about the fight against CBDC and Jay Warner Wallace on
his new book The Truth and True Crime to day with us. We'll be
right back, have a good holiday. I don't know that I've ever done
anything or been involved in a team effort, because that's what it was,
a team effort that I had more return on the investment than that one in
which we engage in the capital of Afghanistan belts the talibi. If you want
a better new normal anytime soon, Americans need to put on a mask.
He told me that there was no chance that my religious accommodation, or that
any religious accommodation would be granted, and sure enough, within hours, I
was terminated. I had no income, I had no healthcare benefits, I
had no job. They come in, handshaking, angry, telling us that
they don't want to hear about our rattal snake religion, saying that we never
wanted to be seen and that we're not courageous enough to fight war. Anything
below capacity and a rate is considered critical. My rating the rescue swimmers,
we were at eighty nine percent, and the commandant is ready to cover these
guys loose over a vaccine hand aid for an untested shot. The oath is
not for the easy times. The oath is for the hard times, and
it's whatever you have to make that choice between doing what the constitution says or
doing what if someone else is telling me to be be a patriot, protect
your fellow citizens. I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of
the United States, so every military member does that. So if the military
members rights are not protected, they're not protected for the rest of society.
These are the individuals that are actually willing to risk their lives to fight for
the constitution. Are you willing? Would you be willing to throw your stars
on the table over a principle? Would you be willing? And then I
will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about
to enter. So help me God, and I meant it. So Seals
Beatbiden dot Com. And that is a very powerful documentary. And you saw
our guest in that documentary, David Johns, because he was involved in that
fight. And we're going to talk about that. And that's what we were
showing at the beginning the trailer for the new documentary that's coming out, talking
about this struggle that you've been involved in very heavily from the very beginning.
You're in the trailer there see Duels Beat Biden that documentary. Tell us a
little bit about that documentary, and then we'll talk a little bit about what
the current status is of these things. So tell us a little bit about
the documentary. Davis, Yeah, absolutely, So. Seals Beat Biden was
a concept that was developed. It's a relatively new news media outlet called The
Republic Sentinel, and they came to me, They came to former Navy seals
and others and said, hey, we want to tell this story. We
want to tell the story of what happened. We want to do it well,
we want to honor these people, but we also want to do it
in a way that we can prevent things like this from happening and also shine
a light on the implications of everything that happened with the COVID mandate on the
rights of all American citizens. So that was sort of what was behind the
project. So The Republic Sentinel was fantastic. What's out now currently is part
one. It's a three part series. I'm not exactly sure when the second
part is going to be released. It should be released very soon, and
then there'll be a final third part that's released as well, so you can
follow what's going on at Sealsbeatbiden dot Com. It's free. You just have
to give them your email address in order to log in there, but you
can set up an account and watch it free. It's it's very, very
well done, and I think some of the most powerful aspects of it are
just telling the stories of individuals like Ason Miller, one of the Navy seals
I represented in this. Talks about what it was like for those guys to
go through this, talks about people being put in isolation, being essentially in
solitary confinement, what it was like for him. And you know, Ace
is in a great position to tell that story because he was one of the
Navy seals. From the very very beginning, they said, I don't believe
this is right. I don't believe this is constitutional. We need to take
a stand, not just for ourselves, but for everyone in the military that's
afraid to speak up because they're not a Navy seal, and for the American
public. And he was willing to be court martialed. He he and I
sat in a room together and I said, if you don't follow this order,
you understand what could happen. And he was ready and willing to be
court Marshal if that's what it takes, So I'm so glad that he's able
to be in it and tell part of his story. Then there's other people
that were critically involved in sort of rallying people to this cause and creating not
just a rally point, but a way for people to get this information out
there and have the courage to take a stand within the military. So it
went from you know, isolated individual military members working on this on their own
to at one point, I think we've talked about this number before, but
even the DoD admitted that there were two over two hundred and sixty thousand military
members that were not compliant when the mandate came out. Wow, right,
over two hundred and sixty thousand. That's over thirteen percent of the total military
force that we're not compliant by the time the mandy came down. And that's
the DoD's numbers. So you know, how far we trust that. I'm
not sure how we go on that, but Steals b Biden is an effort
to sort of tell the story of what happened, and then as you get
into episode three, I'm told the goal of that episode is really to talk
about the future and how we take stands against things like this in the future
and learn from what happened. That's excellent. And it all begins with the
individuals. And you know, I've seen some articles. There was one I
saw the other day somebody said, you know, there are more people involved
in all of this than you think. You know, just as they want
to make everybody think, well, you're the only one who had a family
member die from this shot, or you're the only one who got paralyzed from
this shot. I know it was happening to everybody. They did such a
great job of trying to isolate and adomize and you know, cover this up
with everybody. You point out thirteen percent, two hundred and sixty thousand people,
even according to their numbers. And of course you look at the things
that they're doing with the Bureau of Labor Statistics. How they rig those numbers
last week, it's just amazing. But they always rig the numbers. They
rig the COVID numbers, they rig the protest numbers and all the rest of
this. But it really did come down to this strong to the individual.
You know, when you make this stand, each and every one of us
is going to have to make that stand as an individual and make that individual
decision. And I like the way the documentary trailer started with that Vice admiral.
I think it was who said, most important fight he's been in,
and it is true, because this is a fight for our country, or
fight for our constitution and for everyone's individual rights. And I like the way
they came back to him and he said, you've got to be willing to
throw those stars on the table over the principle. And the sad thing about
it that bothers me, Davis is the fact that they have pushed so many
good people like that out of the military. I think that's a big part
of the agenda. What do you think? Yeah, you know, And
I didn't want to believe that right and very early on in this people started
talking about a pergure otherwise. But I was you know, I was a
jag, I was a lawyer in the military. It was a lieutenant colonel.
I submitted my religious accommodation request. I trusted the process and then it
was denied, and it was denied properly, it was denied for the wrong
reasons, and so I had great pause. But I'm like, Okay,
I'm going to appeal my own, you know, religious commodation. I'm going
to help everyone else do it. And I quickly realized from the beginning they
weren't going to be granting these religious accommodation requests. The goal was one hundred
percent compliance, no matter what. And then it doesn't take very much imagination
to start thinking about, Okay, if you have a significant portion, you
know, ten, thirteen, fifteen, whatever. The real number was percent
of the force that is objecting to not just to being vaccinated, but being
but objecting to the way this is being done and the way it's being forced
on the American public and on the military for their their moral, ethical,
and religious reasons. Then you have to realize, wow, who's leaving the
military. Then it's people that are willing to question orders. It's people that
are willing to say no. I took an oath to support and defend the
Constitution in the United States. I'm not going to turn my back on that.
And people don't fully understand the documentary he helped tell this story. But
I can just rattle off examples of how this policy was in direct violation of
constitutional rights and indirect violation of federal law. And they knew that, and
they refused to stop. I mean, the best example, and it's almost
humorous if it wasn't so serious for so many people. But the Department of
Defense Inspector General, the Inspector General's office supposed to be the watchdog for the
Department of Defense, and they work for the man, so you have to
wonder how independent they really are. But even they did a cursory review of
the religious accommodation process and they said, Department of Defense, you are not
doing this correctly. It is impossible for you to be doing the individualized review
that's required by law. There are not enough hours in the day, days
in the week, you know, weeks in a month in order to do
this, because you're spending you know, they did a calculation. It's like,
even if you were working ten hour days with no breaks, you're spending
minutes at most on each one of these individual acommodation requests. That's not what
the law requires. The DODIG wrote a memo, sent it to Secretary of
Austin the Secretary of Defense and said, you need to see this because our
initial analysis is you're violating the constitutional rights and you may be violating federal law
by the way you're doing this, and it was ignored. It was ignored
by the Secretary of Defense, and no one even knew that that memo existed
until it came out through a foil request almost two months later. In other
words, they were kicking people out any people's careers, continuing to do this
without even like a strategic pause to say, Okay, hey, we need
to look into this. They simply didn't care. And so that you know,
if there's no other lesson that we can learn from the documentary from what
happened with the COVID mandate in the military, is that we had an executive
branch and military leadership that were willing to ignore federal law and the constitutional rights
military members to accomplish a goal which was one hundred percent compliance with an experimental
vaccine. Yeah. Yeah, And we had a lot of people who were
scientists or people in the medical community and they didn't wake up until they're working
on it and said, Yea, we got this other thing over here,
maybe this works, and maybe that works. And that happened in many different
ways, many different places, and they were immediately shut down. We have
one solution, and you're going to do this and it's like, wait a
minute, there's something wrong here, right, And so you're seeing that everywhere,
but fundamentally, what happened to people in the military, it's essentially the
same thing that we see in private companies or we see in the hospitals,
for example. The government bribes people with money and then it says, and
then you're going to do this or we're going to take that money away.
And so it ultimately comes back to what that Vice admiral said, You got
to be willing to throw those stars on the table over your principle. And
that was the same thing that happened to nurses and hospitals. You know,
they hold your career, they hold your livelihood and your lifeline up to you,
and you have to make that decision. Am I going to stand by
the money and the career or am I going to stand by my principle.
And that's why this is a story for everybody inside the military or outside the
military. And a lot of people have gone through this fire, and the
good thing about this is they've come out on the other side. And I've
talked to so many people who have absolutely no regrets about whether they lost their
job. Many of them found something else to do. They're happier about that.
The people have regrets are the ones who had their arm twisted and went
along with a coercion. Those are the people I see over and over again
who have regrets. Yeah. Absolutely, And there's just been tremendous community built
out of what happened. And you know this idea you were talking about earlier
of isolation. You know, during this whole military fight, there were so
many times when someone would call me and they'd be like, I'm the only
person on my entire installation. My chain of command is telling me I'm the
only one. I'm the last hold out. What do I do? I'm
all alone here? And I'm like, no, you're not alone. I
have talked to five other people that are your same installation that are being told
the same thing by their command. They're being lied to a about that.
But just even the idea, and that was part of the whole idea of
what the Navy seals like Asimilla did and were willing to do, is they
were willing to risk their careers in order to get the word out there.
Hey, you're not alone, You're not alone, You're not isolated. There
is a whole community of people that are taking a stand, and the idea
is courage is contagious. And one of the things I think is a difference,
and maybe this is hyperbole, maybe it's not, but people like as
Miller being willing to take a stand and saying oh and not comply is a
difference. Other people throughout society that took a stand. Restaurant owners, gym
owners, doctors, nurses, small businesses, they took these stands, and
the fact that they were unwilling to comply. Churches as well is why we
didn't have concentration camps like they had in Australia in the United States right because
there was not the political will to do that, because there was enough people,
even though as a small percentage, saying no and not complying with this
government overreach, and so the government didn't have the political ability to carry out
as much as they could or would have without that. That's what we need
to learn from this. We need to have communities of people willing to come
together, willing to rally at the local level, using the doctrine the lesser
magistrates to take these stands, and if nothing else, I think that's a
lot of what is hope to be, you know, taught and talked about
through the documentary. Yes, they're so focused on speech and controlling our communications
with each other because they want to do that isolation thing. And you know,
when you look at the military, I think about it, how much
they they've got to be. It's got to be an especially difficult thing for
people in the military because they spend so much time trying to create this cohesiveness.
You're part of a unit, you know, you're not just an individual
out here. And that was part of what you and others were saying about
this. You know, by isolating these people and making them the other,
you're really harming that kind of cohesiveness. But I imagine the people who are
being ostracized and isolated over all this stuff, they really feel that to a
great degree than somebody who is just working in a civilian job, because in
a civilian job, you're not trained to have that kind of a team unit
idea. And now you are kind of leaving the team and betraying the team.
Is the way they're betraying it to people, wasn't it. Yeah?
Absolutely, I mean that was part of the pressure that was put on myself
and so many military members, and when you get down to people like maybe
seals, the team, the cohesiveness of that team, that small unit tactics,
all of that comes together, and it absolutely was. There was a
lot of pressure put on individuals say well, everybody else is doing it,
just go along, go along, go along, and not everyone else was
doing it, which was part of this. But the other thing is,
you know, again you have to understand these individuals. So many were motivated
by the fact that they believed this was wrong, and all they did was
start asking questions, right, That's all a lot of us did is just
ask some questions. And you weren't even allowed to ask questions. As soon
as you started to ask questions, then you were you know, you were
faced with tremendous pressure. And you know, I've seen it over and over
and over again. We're all just the mere fact that you're asking questions has
been met with challenges from the military, isolation from the military, and it
went past COVID. I'm still trying to fix people who lost their security clearance,
not because you know, the mandate was repealed so they were in good
standing with the military again, but because they had written a detailed memo to
their commander explaining why they felt it was unlawful to order military members to receive
an experimental you know, medical procedure, a medical product under federal law.
Why they believe that. Then they were being challenged as being disloyal or exercising
poor judgment, and they're trying to revoke their security clearances. So most of
those cases so far we've won and we've gotten the security clearance back. But
that was sort of like the next level. And again, when you see
things like that, you start to say, that really does feel like a
purge. Then if you're not, just if you're not just saying, oh,
you survived the COVID mandate, but now we're coming after your security clearance
because you dared say that you think this order might be unlawful. You know
you're not allowed to do that. That's the exact opposite of the way our
military was built and designed and just the DNA of our military. We used
to have a military that really focused on the small unit, the platoon,
the platoon chargeant, and individual freedom of action within your area of authority.
Even on the battlefield. We've won battles historically as a nation because it didn't
matter if a small unit was cut off from the chain of command or communication,
they had the freedom and they were expected to exercise good judgment and carry
on the mission even without you know, a general officer telling them what to
do, right, And that was the difference between you know, the Allied
military on D Day. In the German military, no one would wake up
Hitler to release the tanks. On D Day. The Germans may have pushed
us off the beaches, but again there was this command structure where they had
no freedom of action. That's what we've moved to in our military. So
on a very practical level, COVID exposed that punishing commanders and anyone who ask
hard questions, that's a dangerous thing. That's something we need to be working
hard on in our military as well. We need to go back to a
concept that we want free thinkers who within the structure of the law and the
constitution, feel comfortable doing their job and doing it well. That's what's made
us have the best and most powerful military when we've been successful. Oh yeah,
and that's what makes our economy work, not having central planning, not
having total centralized control. And yet that is the essence of what they want
to do well. You've got a lot of different things that you do there
at your website is Yance Law. That's why owe you NTS Law. You've
gotten a lot of military experience. You help people who are Christians who are
being persecuted. People can also follow you on x at Davis Yance Yo you
NTS again and tell us a little bit about we've only got about a minute
half give us a little bit of a commercial for what you do at Yon's
Law. Yeah. So we are focused primarily on representing military members, So
we help military members with all kinds of things, rising from the level of
administrative actions to court martial cases. We have pushed into since COVID a lot
more religious freedom issues, so we're able to do that and we use our
experience. I've added another attorney to the firm, Caleb Bird, who is
a former senior Army prosecutor who's outstanding on these issues as well. So that's
our goal really to support military members. We want to be in a position
to encourage military members to do the right thing and to help them navigate the
process. So that takes us all over the world, and we hope to
be able to continue to do that. As long as God allows it.
And as you pointed out, I mean, there's just no end to this.
They're so tenacious. Yesterday I was talking about how Alvin Bragg Manhattan,
DA, he's coming after people over COVID stuff still, and so the military
is especially you know, as you point out, taking security clearances of other
people. They are out to get their revenge against anybody that pushed back against
their narrative for centralized control. And it just keeps going. So thank you
so much for what you do, David Shantz Yance law dot com and you
can also find him on Twitter or x at Davis Yance. Thank you so
much for what you do, sir, appreciate it. Thank you, God
bless you. Thank you. Have a good day. All right. Joining
us now is Katherine Austin Fitz. Always great to talk to Katherine, and
especially wanted to talk to her as we go into a new year. And
she's also got she's working very hard to try to help people get financial transaction
freedom. We're and talk about what that is. She's got a tour that's
coming around Tennessee that's going to be happening there. Catherine, in case you
don't know her, she's president of Solari Incorporated, and that's at Salari dot
COM's s O l A r I dot Com. She is a former Assistant
Secretary of Housing and Federal Housing Commissioner at the US Department of Housing in Urban
Development and the first Bush administration was the president of Hamilton Securities Group and she
has designed and closed over twenty five billion dollars worth of transactions and investments to
date and has led portfolio investment strategy for three hundred billion dollars of financial assets
and liabilities. She understands the financial landscape and she is committed to liberty.
So joining us now is Katherine Austin Fitz. Thank you for joining us.
Thank you, David. I'm excited because I'm coming. I'm headed to Tennessee
this month and I'm hoping what I come through. I'm spending more time on
the eastern side of the state these days. I'm going to come through and
meet you on I'd love to do that team, I'd love to do that.
Yeah, I love to do that. And you got the tour that's
coming up, and let's talk about that. But first let's well lay out
what financial transaction freedom is. But let's talk about twenty twenty four, and
also looking back at twenty twenty three, how do you see the top story?
As a were talking off areas, you have your top stories for the
year that you typically cover. What did you see as the top stories for
twenty twenty three. So we are great believers in open source intelligence. It's
Leary, and every week we pour into our databases the top headline. So
we're constantly pouring. You know, if you do a search for the David
Knight Show, you'll find a bunch of stuff. And you know, so
we have a new media list and we're pouring in headlines from you know,
all different sources. We get people sending us links all on in the world.
And then weekly I do a show called Money and Markets with Titus and
we pick out the top twenty stories and talk about those for that week.
And then when we get to the quarter and the year, So every quarter
but the last one is the annual wrap up. We have a team of
four people who synthesize all the stories and sit down and say, Okay,
what are the most what are the most important stories that people, you know,
individuals or families need to know to navigate this environment. What's important,
and every time I can, I'm into one of those efforts, and it
takes us about a month to build out to the top twenty stories for the
quarter of the year. I think, well, I know what's going on,
you know, I'm on top of it. I'm watching the news.
And yet we go through the process and we realize, after we've collected everything
different, you know, together, it's like, oh, you know,
I didn't realize how big that was or how important. Anyway, this time
we normally our top story is on the financial cupdeta are the going direct reset.
This time our top story was not only very different, but typically we
put all the top twenty stories on one page. This story was so big
and so long it had to have its own page, and the other nineteen
stories second page. And the title is twenty twenty three the Year of Pushback.
Wow. And what I didn't realize, David, until I pulled it
all together, in all the different categories, the extent of the pushback.
You know, it's almost like twenty twenty, we get whack, twenty twenty
one, realize something's fishy. Twenty twenty two, we decide to take action,
and we start twenty twenty three you see the lawsuits filed, you see
the you know, the the the different you know, business has started or
initiatives started, and you know, there are many different categories. But what
happened is the pushback blossomed. And then if you look at how it's blossoming
and who's doing what, what you realize is twenty twenty four is going to
be explosive. It's beautiful it that's going to be the case. The question
is going to be putting the plunger down, honey, I said, you
know, I said when I was talking about it, because we do,
you know, we do a recording and it's a mega recording with doctor Ferrell
that will publish next week with the analysis of all the twenty stories. But
I said, this is like a big game of Texas Chicken where the establishment
is trying to centralize and the pushback is not only pushing back but saying,
you know something, We're going to do our own reset. I call it
the building wealth reset. You're doing the going direct reset. We're going to
do the building wealth reset. We're going to build wealth, bottom up,
family wealth, community wealth. You know, we've had it with you guys
destroying and stealing everything so you've got these two cars going together at sixty miles
an hour, and you know, the pushback team is looking much stronger than
I ever realized until we did this. So I came out of the process
so enthusiastic. I think it's going to be a great year. Our quote
for the commentary for this year is from a preacher down in Texas. He
says, he said, our situation is defined by extraordinary opportunities brilliantly disguised as
impossible situations. That's like the guy who the American general who is surrounded and
he goes, that's good news. Were going to attack them in any direction,
right, I guess that's where we are right now. You know they've
done their best justess around us. Well, you know that's the thing.
I look at it and I get frustrated because it seems like there's so many
people who don't know. There's a lot more people who don't care. H
and then even amongst the people who know and care, a lot of them
don't really know what to do. And that's what I like about what you
do, because you've got some action items to take, and especially focusing on
the money part, because that is such an important aspect. That's a fly
you know, it is central to the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So we just have subscribers. You know, we had these hats called
you know that they're orange hats and say make cash great again. And people
are sending us pictures from all over the world. Here's you know, you
know, cash, make cash grade again on top of Mount Kilimajarro. You
know. But they're sending us pictures, including of their kids because they're having
you know, they're giving them the kids. But we get stories from all
over the world out people are using cash and seat of dialing back the systems.
And it's so inspiring to hear all these stories because not only are they
using cash, but they're beginning to engage with local businesses to talk about,
Okay, what are we going to do? How are we going to do?
You know, they're talking to their banks, they're talking to their credit
unions, they're talking to the local businesses, and it's almost like they're coming
out of the trance and getting ready to transact our way back to freedom.
Good and it's good. We did a great I did a great interview in
twenty twenty two called Where to Stash Your Cash in twenty twenty two, and
we're going to redo it this month where to stash your cash in twenty twenty
four. But it's sort of helping you build resiliency in your day to day
life. And we also have a program called Building Wealth because you know,
as I said, we do need a reset, but we need a reset
that rebuilds and builds family wealth. And family wealth is the basis of community
wealth. Sure, and you know the problem with what's going on is we
basically have an organized crime operation that's stealing and taking our wealth. So that's
got to be reversed. So you've got to you know, push back against
them getting financial transaction controlled, which and then they get that, they will
take everything everything, They will take everything, so you know, it's slavery
or freedom. But we also when we say no, we reject your complete
control. We have to take responsibility bottom up to build the kind of culture
and economy that you know, we want our kids and grandkids growing up.
And that's absolutely true. I've said many times I forget to have said it.
I said, you can't win a culture. Whar if you don't have
a culture. We don't have a culture we have. We just set back
and let them feed us a culture, and we just kind of you can't
wait. You can't run a financial system just with law enforcement, right,
you know, the enforcement, the only productive enforcement comes from a moral culture
and institutions that will allow their people and encourage their people to be moral.
You know, it's funny. I just did an interview today with a gold
company here and I'm in the Netherlands right now, and they're a wonderful company.
I've only done it. I've only done maybe four or five transactions with
them, but each time totally clean, totally professional, high speed, no
monkey business, no dirty tricks, everything clean. It's a whistle everybody.
Now to the drivers are great. It's like boom boom, boom, boom
boom, and and you think, you know this is how it should work.
Yes, but they have. If you look at who owns them and
how they operate, they're highly model. And you know it's culture that's going
to drive that. I don't know if you saw it, but we did
this wonderful panel with CHD. Tennessee in Rogersville was Senator Nicely and Representative Halsey,
and oh it was who can I tell you? It was so great?
First I did a speech, then we did the panel. If you
watch it, just cut to the panel because Halsey and Nicely are great.
But Halsey gives this whole description of how the Constitution came out of, you
know, a culture and a morality. And unless we you know, unless
we protect and nurture and force that culture, nothing good can come from anything.
And it's a it's very eloquent. I agree, And it is very
important to have people that you trust and everything. That's why, you know,
we work with Tony Ardban at Wisewolf gold and he's even set up a
website David Night not Golden. And we were just talking about yesterday how Costco
they sold what was that one hundred million or three hundred million, I don't
know what it was, an amazing amount of gold, you know, but
Walmart is getting in it now. But it's like, you want to deal
with people that you know and people I don't know Walmart knowing what I own
exactly exactly. Now you get down to Walmart and you good bye with JP
Morgan card, you know, in the of America card, And that's the
that kind of defeats a lot of the purpose of that. You say,
and forward to your financial transaction freedom. You have a quote from William Faulkner.
It says we must be free not because we claim freedom, but because
we practice it. I thought that was really profound. You know, we
always talk about, well, you know, we got the constitution, we
got this and that. You know, well, yeah, they had the
declaration of independence, but they still had to fight the war, you know,
to get independence. You can't just enquire your independence. You got right,
it could happen. And that's really what this document is about. The
financial transaction freedom. Tell us a little bit about that. Tell us,
first of all, give us your definition of that. So there are two
big documents in this in this wrap up, and the first one, interestingly
enough, came from Tennessee. I was meeting with a group of state legislators
and some of the government officials. And there's a wonderful guy who runs the
revenue departments and uh, a really smart guy, and he said, would
you write a memo for me on financial transaction freedom? Freedom? What is
it, what threatens it, and what can we do to protect it?
And you know that's that was a harder job. I got my general counsel
and I and we wrote it, And so let's start with what is financial
transaction freedom. Financial transaction freedom is the ability to trade, you know,
to trade money for goods or to barter's swap, and to do it in
a way where one it's private, two you have multiple options. Cree,
it's liquid, and nobody's stopping or controlling you by controlling your financial transactions.
So we all know the story of what happened to the Canadian truckers. That
is financial transaction control. Now what I believe. If you go to Solary
and you down on the right, there's a panel that says videos on financial
transaction freedoms and CBDCs, and it's a list of eighty eighty short videos that
show you what the central bankage are planning on doing, including a certain total
control of your money. Oh yeah, so that one they can make rules
centrally and enforce them centrally with AI and software on all digital systems that control
your money. So if they just they want to raise taxes, they just
take it out of your account. If they decide it'll help with inflation,
they just freeze your account, you know, and they describe the deposits in
your account as an expression of central bank liability. It's not your money,
it's their money. That's number one. Number two, they want a program
money. So if they don't want your money working more than five miles from
your house, or they don't want you buying pizza because they think, you
know, it's not good for you, then your money won't buy pizza.
Your money, you know, your digital your digital cards and digital transactions and
bank transactions won't work, you know, if you're more than five miles from
your home. So it's called programability anyway. So if you look at the
first couple videos, there's also one of the great videos. There is a
video from one of the presidents of the one of the twelve Fed banks saying,
I understand why China wants CBBC's, but why would Americans ever let this
happen? You know, I mean, because you're talking about a slave system.
If they get financial transaction control and control of the food supply, which
is part of what they're up to, And if you look at some of
our wrap ups, we've written a lot about that recently as well, because
it's you know, it's part of the same play. If they get financial
transaction controlled, David, and they can control your bank account, you know,
and and institute taxation without representation. Then they can dictate anything. They
can dictate what drugs you're going to take. They can dictate whether or not
you've got to take injections. They can dictate where your kids go to school.
They can dictate that your kids can't live with you anymore, they've got
to come to you know, X y Z government boarding school whatever. You're
talking about a slavery system. And one of the fourth video in the stack
is Richard Warner, the top central bank expert in the world in my opinion,
academic expert, explaining that one of the top central banks heads in Europe
told him that it's a chip. They're planning and putting it in our hands.
So and we've seen discuss the World Economic Form with the head of no
Key and others talking about how we're going to all be chipped. Yeah,
yeah, for convenience, you know, for convenience, and it really is
for their convenience. Yeah, yeah, you want to have. I played
the video over and over again from that was produced in Ukraine and they said,
well, you know, after we get past this war and we're victorious,
twenty thirty is just going to be great. You know, when you
any interaction that you have with other people, but especially all the different things
that you're required to do with government. We'll just make that so convenient because
we'll have a CBDC and we'll have your everything that you have will be on
your phone and so forth. And it's like, wow, this is totally
comprehensive it. As you pointed out, they're going to be able with the
programmability make your money invalid if you're not in the correct area. It's all
about enslaving and imprisoning this, you know. And yeah, right, so
when the World Economic Forum says it's twenty thirty and you have no assets,
the question is how do they strip you of all your assets? How do
they strip you of your property rights? How do they strip you of your
assets? You do it is if you can get total financial transaction control,
then you can strip people of all their assets. You just turn off their
money. That's right. Yeah, we already saw a little bit of this,
you know, you mentioned the Freedom Convoy. That was a big wake
up for everybody because now it's no longer a conspiracy theory is a conspiracy reality.
They've already done it, and then we saw, you know, a
January the sixth, We saw Bank of America, you know, creating a
stazi list of here's all the people that had financial transactions within this area on
January the sixth. And oh no, by the way, here's our records
of all the people who use our credit card to buy guns. You want
to put those together, FBI, so we know how they're going to use
this. It's very sinister. And when you look at it, it's almost
as if you know, the Bank of America who was asking them, would
you like us to confiscate their money and lock up their accounts? Right?
Exactly? Yeah, It truly is amazing. So you know, when we
look at it, there's some other things on it as well. I'm looking
at the memo and there's a downloadable PDF that you have at sari dot com.
But so if you come into Solaria, it's just it's Financial Transaction Freedom
Memo, and we have it in PDF and you can download. We sell
hard copies for free, or we put it in the wrap up. You
can buy that. But if you're a subscriber, but just download it for
free, printed out, make as many copies as you want, spread it
everywhere and so you define what you just to find what financial freedom is,
you've got to have multiple different ways outside of their system, a lot of
different options and things like that, privacy and no surveillance and that type of
thing. But then you also have action items, because I've had they I
talk about CBD So go ahead, tell us about the action items. The
next step, well, to understand action items, you have to understand what
threatens financial transaction freedom because it's not just central bank controls and CBDCs and digital
IDs. It's also power outages, okay, it's cybersecurity attacks. There are
all sorts of other things. You know, when the cyclones hit in New
Zealand, the governor of the central bank there gave a press concerts afterwards and
he said, thank God for cat. If we hadn't had cash, we
would have been and I, you know, I never I'll turned to John
Titus that week and I said, I guess he didn't get the memo.
But remember when there was that huge power outage in Kentucky for weeks. If
you if you didn't have cash, you were in real trouble. Okay,
So there are multiple things that can compromise because what we're talking about doing is
not allowing digital systems to get control. Yes, and that's why we always
say to people, the first thing you can do is to roll back digital
systems. Stop being so dependent on digital systems. You want to have analog
alternatives, and you want to be resilient in the face of real hiccups with
digital systems, whether it's a power outage, whether it's government sanctions, whether
it's central bank intervention, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But
you know, build that resiliency into your life. There many ways you can
do it. So the first thing we talk about is, you know,
is using cash and starting to engage with local businesses, particularly your farmers and
your farmer markets fresh food because the most important thing you need to do in
this environment is you get a good, strong, clear brain and healthy body.
And that starts with good, healthy, fresh food. And as we
know, there's terrible deterioration in the quality of the food, so you know,
line up your food locally. The second thing you can do is bring
transparency. We have a wonderful post we link to it from that memo caled
I want to stop cbdc's what can I do? In it? Lists eleven
things you can do. But one of the things you can do is tell
your family and friends. So we have these eleven or we have a link
to these CBDC shorts and they're one minute, you know, the first three
or one minute each and the fourth one is two and a half minute,
really short. And in those three one minute videos, they will scare you
to death. And I defy anybody to think they don't need to take action
once they see those, you know, so you don't need to read a
lot of books or watch a lot of long videos. You know, in
three one minute videos, we can communicate to you why you got to do
something about this. That's great. Another thing people can do that is exceptionally
important is talk to your financial service providers. Talk to your CPA, talk
to your attorney, talk to your bank, talk to all these people and
get them realizing that they've got to push back. If the state, if
the state banking associations start to push back and protect people from transaction control,
you know, and compromise of their financial transaction freedom, they can have a
huge impact. And they should do that because if you look at what the
central bankers are up to, they intend to consolidate the banking system. They're
rolling out the FIT is rolling out the fast payment system. We saw what
they did to a group of banks last week. They're going to consolidate the
banking system, which is going to be terrible for the small business economy and
terrible bottom up for the health of the economy and family. Well, so
you know, get your banks, get your investment advisors, get your CPAs,
get your lawyers, get all your financial professionals lined up and educated,
you know, bring transparency and get them on board. The next thing you
need to do is there are you know, there are ten plus states in
this country that have legislative agendas that are filing and knocking through bills that are
going to protect the financial transaction freedom of the people in those states. You
know, you and I are in Tennessee, and Tennessee is absolutely leading the
way. It's one of those states, and they're working on, you know,
sovereign payment systems or banks. They're working on bullion depositories in a way
for citizens to store their gold and silver but transact their gold and silver within
the state in a way that protects, absolutely protects financial transaction freedom and voting
gold and silver to be legal tender, so we can't get locked into a
CBDC system. You know where we don't have legal tender unless use CBDCs.
There they've already taken in many states. In Tennessee, the sales tax off.
Part of that legal tender bill is to make sure gold is over protected
from capital gains tax they're taking. They're doing moves to protect and build analog
payment systems so again that you can't have your digital systems shut down or controlled
from out of state. They are now bringing nullification laws. I'm sure you've
talked about that, changing the definition of money so it can't be you know,
CBDCs can't be included in the definition of money. Nullification bills. I
mentioned nullification already, nullification bills to make sure that constitutional, any law that's
unconstitutional under both the federal constitution or the state constitution is included and then intercheck
there. Last time I talked to a senator nicely, we're talking about this
pistol brace thing, and he goes, oh, we've already got taken care
of. You know, we passed this nullification thing saying that if the federal
law conflicts with the Tennessee law, and he said, and then we passed
a they can't do it, they can't enforce it. And he said,
then we passed a law to make pistol braces legal. So they're on top
of it. They really really are on top of it. And they are
talking about educating the banks and you know, your CPA and anybody that you
deal with financially, and it's a really Last time I talked to him,
he was saying it was difficult to get the local banks to understand that a
state bank was going to help them like it did in North Dakota, where
they have a lot more local banks than any other state, and they have
worked to help them. And he goes, but they you talk about a
state bank and they think it's some kind of competition. So he came up
with the idea of calling it a Tennessee Reserve system and he said that stand
And yeah, brilliant at that, isn't he? Yeah, I think,
Senator nicely. You know, our our our team at Soilary, our number
one goal this year is to support financial transaction freedom because we want to be
free, and if we don't get financial transaction freedom, we won't be free.
And for us to be free, we need everybody to be free.
And I look around and I say, who are the most astute politicians who
can understand and move this kind of you know, build this infrastructure, you
know, one bill at a time, because it's going to take many,
many bills and quite an education. And I think Senator Nicely is the most
effective politician I have ever known or dealt with Washington State politicians, you know,
global here in your I've never met a more effective politician my life.
Oh, I agree, I absolutely agree. Yeah, And so you know
we're talking about is you got to see this panel in Rogerville because he also
happens to be one of the funniest people alive. At one point he was
talking about his you know, I said to him, Senator Nicely, you
know, I hold you personally responsible for the traffic problems in Tennessee because for
the last ten to twelve years, you keep lowering taxes. And he said,
yeah, my wife says, you know, he's married to a Texan.
He says, my wife says, if we lower taxes anymore, he
said, everybody's going to move in here. And it's my fault that we
have all these Yankees and Californians moved in. But I tell my wife,
this is you got to watch it. It's so funny, he says,
I tell my wife. He said, you know, I don't mind the
Yankees moving in because one thing we know about Yankees they will fight. And
we learned that the hard way. He really does know his history. That's
the other thing that's very interesting about sta and nicely. But you know what
you were talking about the pushbacks, and one of the things that you mentioned
when you were talking about pushbacks was, and you touched on it just now,
the definition of money and you see sees and you mentioned that South Carolina
had done that. I know that. Yeah, South Carolina moved to Florida
and so so how many you have changed the definition of money to say nay,
CBDC. But it's going to be but we are going to allow this
and that as a definition. Yeah, I don't know how many. I
know Florida's done it. I know South Carolina has done it. We have
a team that's trying to collect but identify who has done all you know,
in fifteen different legislative categories, who has done what in terms of a state
bank, a sovereignby and depository whatever. So as we as we do that
we find more states. I will say this one of the things I would
like to have more capacity and is understanding how to protect states through the UCC
because a lot of the monkey business happens through the UCC, the Uniform Commercial
Code. So if there are UCC attorneys out there who are willing to help,
please, you know, this is a call for help because the UCC
is you know, it's it's state by state, but it's highly complicated,
as you know, David, and I think you know a lot of a
lot of the games are happening inside the UCC. Well, you know,
I remember when I first heard about that in conjunction with the CBDC. It
was Christinome in South Dakota who said, you know, this thing came across
and we vetoed it. But you know, be aware that there's more than
twenty some odd states that have had that pushed out. And the next thing
I saw was that DeSantis went the opposite direction. You know, what they're
pushing out was legislation to say that CBDCs would have to be accepted as money.
DeSantis went the other way and said they will not be accepted as money,
but we will accept bitcoin and cash and all the rest of this stuff
right that we currently have and so now South Carolina has done that as Well's
that's good news. There's so many different ways that we can push back on
this and again went back. You know, there's a lot of pushback lawsuits
against the companies because of damage and things like that. It is a constant
struggle and it really hard to try to keep to get a sense of whether
people are waking up. I got to the point where I just thought,
nobody's we're going to wake up in twenty twenty. I just a tremendous number
of people are waking up. If you look at the pushback, I'll tell
you one of the greatest pushback sort of clusters is the state ags and treasures.
The Treasures are pushing back like crazy against ESG. We just had the
Treasure of Utah write a letter the SEC to try and stop or delay the
proposed comment rule ending on natural asset companies, which is another you know,
talk about talk about real trouble coming anyway. But the pushback by the state
ags, you know, so Missouri versus Biden is a great example of litigation
file by Louisiana and Missouri. You know, But the state ags and the
treasures are on the move and they're teaming up. So if you look at
the filing at the of the Utah Treasure at the SEC, his letter was
signed by himself in twenty three other treasures, So you know they're teaming up
groups of ags, groups of treasures that Larry Think and Blackbrok have had to
roll back their whole ESG initiative because so many treasurers have pulled money or I
think one now I think Tennessee has sued, No, it's the treaser.
Somebody in Tennessee has sued the I think it's Scermetti, the I think it's
Skermetti, the Attorney Journal, it could be the AJ said it is fraudulent
because you're telling people that they're making an investment, so therefore you're going to
be trying to do things that you know are exercise care, fiduciary care,
the financial side, but you're completely ignoring the financial side, and you got
your own agenda over here. Well, but there's something else. Blackwork is
making huge fees off the state pension phones. And if you look at the
hypocrisy of what Larry Think is saying, it's it's extraordinary. I did a
wrap up in twenty nineteen called an ESG Turned the Red Button Green, and
basically what I was describing was all the hypocrisy in the system because they're using
it to enforce central control as opposed to enforce real standards that improve, in
my opinion, the governance of society. So, you know, so Larry
Fingers has gotten called out on his hypocrisy, that's great. That's the treasurers
who are coming out and saying we're going to move our investments away from them,
putting financial pressure on them. And then you've got some attorney general's attorney's
general who are saying, well, this is fraudulent and we're going to sue
them because they've told people that their company is about this, but it's actually
about this other thing. Well, here's the thing. At the very heart
of the pushback in all these different forms. What you're seeing is people on
the ground who want to be productive. You know, people want to go
to work and do a good job without having to you know, share bathrooms
with the other sex, Yeah, and get into that conversation. They want
to go back without you know, they want to be free to say something
without being fired. For you know, offending hate crimes. All this stuff
is destroying productivity and they've had it. So what they're saying is we you
know, so if I'm a treasurer, I'm looking across the state and saying,
the guys in Washington and Wall Street and Basel, Switzerland are using climate
change as a ruse to shut down our businesses, take control of our markets
and steal our money. Yes, why should I finance them doing that?
Because they're not doing what they say they're doing. They're just using this to
assert central control. You know, just like during the pandemic, you shut
down ten small businesses, you leave Costco in the same shopping mall open,
and you know, on the theory that the magic virus only operates in small
business, but it doesn't operate in large publicly traded stocks, and you scarf
and steal the market share from the small businesses. Had nothing to do with
health. It had to do with shifting significant market share out of locally owned
and controlled businesses into publicly traded stocks. You know, And in a way
that made Larry think a lot of money, okay, and it's it's a
scam. Yeah. That made me so angry when that was happening because I
had lived that with my wife and I we had a video store business back
in the early nineties and we had a hurricane that came through and took power
out for several days, and we finally got it back in one area.
We opened up that store, and then the police came by and said,
you got to shut your store down, and I said, well, Walmart
is open right across the store, right across the street. You know,
you got to shut your your business down because you're you're attracting people to come
out and drive around. They shouldn't be out driving around now. And it's
like, well, who you'd make that decision? Number one? And number
two? You're telling me essentially what Trump said, You're not essential. You
know Walmart is essential, but you closed down because you know they want you
know, basically, it's the big guys stealing market, sure from the old
guess that's right. It's very simple. It's a steal. It's called a
taking, yes, yes, and it's you know, hurting Main Street in
order to help Wall Street the big companies that are that are essential. And
so when I saw that, I'd already lived that for just a couple of
days, and it made me so angry to see that they were going to
be putting people out of business who had poured their sweat and energy and capital
into this and worked it for years, just to be told they're non essential.
I still get angry when I think about that, but talk about some
of the other things. Here's but here's what happened in twenty twenty three.
In twenty twenty one, people agreed to play along with that are twenty twenty
because they thought the government had a legitimate reason. Once you understand that this
is just a mafia trying to steal your business, that's when you say,
oh, two people can play this game. So you the municipality are going
to shut me down. Great, I'm going to audit your books. I'm
going to get all your financial disclosure, and I'm going to dig into your
money, and I'm going to dig into the money of everybody in the city
council. By the time i'm through, y'all going to be gone. So
we have a wonderful woman who works for us in Tennessee. She was in
Knoxville. She tried to get the mask man and canceled and couldn't do it,
and so she went in and figured out the committee you know, in
government that was deciding this. She figured out how they were formed, and
she got the committee canceled, and they canceled. You know, there was
no mask man because the committee that was supposed to implement it was gone.
That's great, and that's what really needs to happen because and that's the thing
that concerns me is that, you know, we're not In so many cases
we have seen people who are just, oh, I'm so glad that this
isn't happening again. They realize there's a fraud. They don't want to play
it along with it. But now that it's ended, as you point out,
everybody just wants to get along with their life right instead of going out
and say they want to be productive, they want to build family wealth.
And that's why you have to give them ways of pushing back that they can
push back in a way that helps them build family wealth. So what we're
saying is make yourself more resilient, make yourself more successful, lower your dependency.
Every time you pull money and market share out of the companies that are
doing this, you know, and the support the politicians who are doing this,
you make yourself more powerful. You make yourself stronger and they get weaker.
So it's like it's like having a tapeworm. You know. What we're
saying is detox the tapeworm to make yourself stronger. And anytime you can do
anything that lowers your dependency on their systems, like using cash. I mean,
using cash is really you know, can save you a lot of money.
I mean, we've proven again and again if people use cash, they
spend less, they're more careful, they think through, you know, their
purchase decisions. But you can also build up incredibly great relationships with your local
business. You know, in the process of transacting with them. It's a
much more intimate way of transacting and you find all sorts of opportunities when that
conversation gets going. So people are busy, and this is an exhausting environment
in many ways because of the compliance and rules, and people don't like to
fight and add friction and because that doesn't get them anywhere. A lot of
times, you know, they see a lot of people fighting in ways that
aren't effective. They don't want to be a part of that. So you
need to give them ways of pushing back which help to build their strength and
power. And wealth. I go back, the most important one is they
have to be healthy and that means, you know, if I encourage anyone
to invest time in building wealth. Step one is getting the knowledge you need
to take responsibility for your own health and making sure you're getting clean water and
nutritious food and you are not get poisoned. You know, because we are
in the middle, particularly in America, a great poisoning oh yea, and
people are getting sick from being poisoned, and they need to understand what the
process is and how to protect themselves and their family. And if people are
really good at protecting themselves from the great poison David, they have ten times
more energy, that's right. So step number one is get yourself off the
poison treadmill. And when you look at it the you know it's going to
cost you more to get this other food, right, but not if you
compare that to what's going to happen if you get sick and you got to
engage with a healthcare system. Okay, that just blows what. You can
buy organic food all day forever before you have your first hospital bill. They're
going to really fleece you. Talk about destroying you financially, that's what happens
with the hospital system. So if you can stay out of that and all
clean food, you're way ahead of the game, even financially, not alone
in terms of enjoying the help. Absolutely that Our anial wrap up last year
is called pharm of Food and it was on synthetic food and lap grown meat,
and it was the hardest thing I've ever had to read. We hired
this wonderful Dutch journalist, elsavon Homeland to write it, and she did an
incredible job, and when she came back with it so the first time in
my life, I couldn't read a draft the whole way through because it's so
evil. If you eat the hundreds of billions of dollars they're throwing it,
making thirty dollars hamburgers that are you know, created with three D printing.
Is it's so horrible. You can't imagine that they want anybody to eat this,
you know, and nobody's going to eat it without financial transaction control because
they're going to mandate the only food you're allowed to buy or sort of bugs
and synthetic meat. So anyway, we published it and I thought, David,
it would be the least popular wrap up that we ever published because it's
so horrible and gruesome. We published it and it's brilliant. It really warrants
you about what these guys are up to and why you can't allow financial transaction
to control happen because this is the food they're going to try and feed you.
And anyway, we published it and it was hugely popular and successful because
all the fresh food people used it to market. You know, all the
people of the farmer's market are like, you know, here's what they're going
to do if you don't support us. And I had one subscriber writing as
what you know, we get these great emails and they said, you know,
I have tried and tried and tried to get my husband to buy from
the local farmers and farmers market and really develop our fresh food supply locally,
and he says it's too hard work and it's too much money. I gave
him farm of Food. He said, I am all in. Well,
say, you know, it's great that you got that. It was really
a shame if we moved here. We finally found a local farm that was
doing a clean local food and everything, and uh huh, you know,
we could get Raw Milk as a membership club and things like that, Oh
wonderful. And we only did that for a couple of months and then they
said, we just got a close. We can't can't keep it going.
There's not enough demand. And that's the key thing. It really so sassin.
Now we're looking again, you know, but it is so sad to
see how difficult it is for them to maintain that. But how imuch,
I don't know. If Edible Communities has a magazine for your area, look
at the Edible Communities. It's a franchise of local food magazines all over the
country. And I thought I knew every fresh food farmer in my area until
I got the Edible Communities magazine from Memphis, and I found so many great
sources after I got it, So I would check that out. And of
course check out the Western Price Club where you are, because they're Western Price
chapters all over the world and they have the greatest networks into knowing what the
great food is in your area, and they're the ones who've led the campaign
on raw milk, and raw Milk is one of the great success stories because
we're now up to forty six states, you know, where there is a
pathway to buying raw milk, and that is extraordinary and it's been the rest
and price guys who really did that. So yeah, and of course the
other part of this, And Thomas Massey has been involved in this and I've
reported it's my hero. Yeahs Massey was here of the Week three times on
this lay important twenty twenty three. Yeah, he's by far and away the
best US congressman this half the absolutely hands down. But he's focused on this
whole thing about the fact and a particular Amish farmer. As a matter of
fact, there's an update that just happened. This guy that's been harassed by
the USDA because he wants to butcher the meat there on the farm and do
it cleanly. I'm sure I can't remember the guy's name, but I'm sure
you know the case. Yeah, come back and hit him again, because
it's very important for them that you've got to go to their centrally controlled meat
process waterhouses. Yeah, exactly, And that's it. And it's much safer.
A good a good local operation on the farm is much safer. So
you know, so Massy has the what's the name of the Prime Act.
Yes, so we've been supporting for several years, trying to get the PRIMAC
passed. And you know, it's funny one of the things I do.
Uh, you know, it started with Ron Paul, but then it went
to Massy. Whenever I'm depressed, you know, I'm just thinking, oh
God, it's you know, I'm fighting with what I call the force to
nothing. I'm fighting with nothing. You know, i have to do something
to make myself feel good. And I'll send us a donation to Massy.
It's like, Okay, I'll put fuel in the leader's pocket and I'll feel
better. He's a good guy. He's a good and he stands like Ron
Paul. He stands alone if he has to, Uh, well, what
is in the water in Kentucky that we you know, we get because Ram
Paul's in Kentucky, Massy's in Kentucky. Yeah, he definitely stood up and
he stood up against that trillions of dollars that Trump wanted to put in.
Trump wanted to get him out, but he didn't get him out. So
that's good. I think the people my favorite. If you go to Silaria
and do a search for Massy, you'll pull this up. One of the
heroes of the week was Massy absolutely slaughtering that idiot from Texas. Uh,
you know, not many idiots come from Texas, but this one is the
Secretary of Transportation on electric cars because mass he's an MIT engineer, yes,
you know, and he knows the whole, the whole. You know,
electric cars are mathematically enter you know, the the math of the energy,
the math of the environment, the math of the economics. They're absolutely insane.
They make no sense whatsoever. Yeah, it only makes sense in the
scientific term if your degree is in political science, and that's what he also
did. If you want total control, so if you want to be able
to turn off people's car, So if I lock you down, you can't
go more five miles from your home, your car will turn off and it
won't work more than five miles from your home. I know exactly what it's
about. Digital concentration camps. Yes, right, right, that's true.
Yeah, yeah, he had he had John carry on and John carry any
FOI So you got a science degree, well, yeah, he goes political
science. Right, that's what I want. Jim Carrey's got a political science
degree because there isn't any you know, there isn't any science between these I
call them mcguffin's, which is what Hitchcock called them. You know, it
doesn't really matter what it is. It could be the Maltese falcon, would
be something else, but it's whatever motivates the people to do that. So
it could be the virus, or it could be the climate. But they've
always got the same solution. Yeah, you got to get an idea and
you got to put them in charge. Is big them permission for everything.
But it doesn't matter what the mcguffin is. It's interchangeable. Just whatever you
use to motivate the people. It seems like it always. So when I
became Assistant Sectory of Housing, the Secretary wanted to do a big housing bill.
You know, he wanted a big accomplishment. He wanted a big housing
bill. So the goal was how do we get the Democrats on board for
And we got Jim Rouse around Fanny May I'm sorry, Jim Rouse around the
Enterprise Foundation and David Maxwell around Fanny May. They had done a big commission
on housing that proposed a lot of decentralization. They were both big Democrats,
and we got David and Jim to come in wonderful men and camp the secretary
is trying to persuade him into a new housing bill, and a lot of
what Camp was proposing was more centralization. And David and Jim were, you
know, they're wonderful people, very big hearts, and they and they were
saying, well, you know, Jack, you're a Republican. Republicans beliuting
decentralization, and we proposed a lot of decentralization, and you know, so
we think you should, you know, you would like what we're proposing.
And uh, and there was he had these two little assistants from the Heritage
Foundation who were truly frightening, and one of them said, so Jack is
proposing more centralization. The Democrats are proposing decentralization, which is supposed to be
the opposite of their their ideologies. So they said, you know, don't
don't you want to decentralize. Why would you want to centralize? And one
of the special assistants bursted out. He says, yeah, but we're here
now. That's it. We're here now. Yeah. It's like, bring
the blood to the empire headquarters, Bring the blood to the empire. More
extraction, more extraction. That's why I had to leave Washington, That's why
I moved to Tennessee. It was like, you know, you can't decentralize
from Washington. That's right, that's right, You've got a nullify. You've
got to have some things at the local level. So you've talked about some
of these things, Sovereign State Bank. I'm looking at your list here actions
that can be taken to secure financial freedom. And so you start out with
state and local government, but then you talk about having some local organizations to
try to help this mate, because you don't want to all be in.
You can't get too much done on your own. You've got so you've got
three different sections. There's state and local, you got what you can do
with small associations, and then things that you can do as an individual.
It's a great right and what you can do as an investor. I do
want to mention the second memo in the document in the Financial the Future Financial
Freedom and wrap up is our Sovereign State Bank memo by Richard Werner outstanding and
explains to you why you do not want to let the central bankers consolidate the
small banks. You do not want that to happen. And the pandemic,
you know, was hard on the small banks and we want a strong small
banking and it it explains why the health of an economy and the small business
economy in Main Street depend on lots of healthy small banks and so one of
the most important things. And this is what correct understands. And I don't
think that the banking associations understand yet. They don't understand what a threat CBDC
and digital idea and fast payment systems are. And you know, I want
to stress again what we're trying to get is financial transaction freedom. CBDCs is
not the only problem. Fast payment systems and what they can do with credit
cards and banking accounts without CBDCs. You know, that kind of control is
a real problem. It's a real problem now, so as we solve with
the Tennessee truckers. So anyway, so this memo on sovereign state banks is
very very good and important and it helps you understand why you want the state
to be able to transact without the Feds of the central banks being able to
shut them down, and to afford that protection to the local banks and the
local citizen. Sense. You want financial liquidity that the FEDS can't kill.
That's right, that's right, and right now we have, as you know,
you're well aware. We look at the situation how the deficit has exploded.
I talked about that earlier. You know, we were at only about
ten trillion dollars about fifteen years ago, and now has exploded up to thirty
four trillion dollars. But I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg.
As I point out, there's all these other things in terms of obligations that
the federal government has, and so there's this massive system that is really not
sustainable and corrupt, and so what happens as we start to see it's also
another thing that's happened is the deficit is going up, and as we're using
the dollar as a weapon, fewer and fewer people are using a broader or
or getting off of the dollars a reserve currency. What are going to be
the implications if that continues and accelerates. What's going to be the implication?
Higher prices, higher prices, higher prices. So as the squeeze comes on
a value, you know, basically the reason everybody's been going along with the
crime is the you know, the criminals have been sharing you know, crumbs
with us. Yeah, so if you talk to a state legislator, why
can't we establish you know, so Tennessee is considering rejecting federal education aid.
You know, there's an addiction to the money, that's right. So the
central banks print money and use that money to buy us even though that drives
up inflation. So at the end of the day, we don't end up
better off. But you know, we have this addiction to getting federal money.
So we're on the doll and as we stay on the dole, our
economies get weaker and weaker and weaker, you know, and we become more
and more dependent on that doll. So so there is a financial addiction going
on to central bank printed money, and that is going to the question is
when is the pain great enough that we're willing to walk away from that money.
Now as they share lesson less crumbs and prices go up and up from
this sort of inflation game, you know, when are people going to realize
we are better off creating the conditions of sovereignty rejecting that money. And while
I will tell you, David is you know, in the nineties at Hamilton
Securities, I did a lot of simulation of what we could do if we
took government money and we re engineered it to optimize economic health as opposed to
central control. Yeah, that's right. And if you know, it's going
to be a rough transition because we've delayed it for so long. But if
we go through that transition, we can build a much more moral and productive
society. Oh I agree, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, that's always
been the case, and it's been difficult. I've had this frustrating thing,
feel like I'm banging my head against the wall when I talk to people about
what happened in twenty twenties. Said, well, Trump didn't do it,
and I said, no, you understand it's the money, right, That's
how they get That's how they get around the tenth Amendment. They bribe people,
They get you addicted to the money, and then they pull it back
and say, well, now I'm going to blackmail you. If you look
at what happened with Trump. You know he's out there his administration. They're
giving a twenty percent bonus if you identify somebody as COVID. They're giving you
a bonus to diagnose them at thirteen thousand dollars thirty nine thousand dollars, you've
ventilator twenty percent on everything that you do. And then when Biden comes in
and now that they've gotten used to this money, he says, well,
if you don't get everybody in the hospital vaccinate, I'm going to not give
you any Medicare or medicaid. I'm going to shut everything off. That's the
way it always works, going back into the night. But I'm going to
be tough on Trump because he's swum ten billion dollars of taxpayers money into a
military program that completely bypassed all the safety things you know that are implicit in
healthcare law to poison millions of Americans. So that's right. Yeah, he's
a poisoner in chief, absolutely no doubt about it. Exactly. It was
a military operation, that's what i was a military operation, and he put
ten billion, He put ten billion dollars behind it, and he appointed to
run a man who was a bring machine interface expert from Glaxo Smith Klin.
Yeah, and they've been practicing this, you know, since two months before
nine to eleven. You know, they've had their annual germ game thing and
it's coming from the from DARPA. So of course they're going to have the
White Speed thing be a military thing. Yeah, it's really difficult to get
people to understand that. Sometimes. I explain, you know, when I
was, when we were doing homeschooling of our kids were now grown, I
know that there were a lot of people in the homeschool facil a community that
wanted to say, well, let's have let's let's fight to get our kids
into the sports programs and the band programs and things like that. And I
said, you know, there's going to be strings attached. All that money
and all those benefits that you're fighting for. They're going to use that to
blackmail you. And that's exactly what they do. They get around the Tenth
Amendment by offering people money, getting them addicted to the money, and then
say okay, now put the boys in the girls bathroom. We're going to
take the money away. It always works out that way, really. So
one of my favorite quotes is from Franklin Sanders is that wonderful. I don't
know if you've had Franklin. He's wonderful, precious metals dealer pastor in Middle
Tennessee. He says, all government money comes with a sock in the jaw.
That's a good way to put it. Well, tell us a little
bit about the tour because we're about out of time. It's going to be
you're going to have So I'm coming down to Tennessee. I should be there
by the twenty third, and then I'm heading over to Middle Tennessee. I
got a lot of meetings in Nashville and some of the surrounding states. I'm
going to drop down to Mississippi and Alabama, and you know, some of
the lot of the states around Tennessee are talking about doing the same things and
talking about how they network together. Yes, as a thing too, having
a network of states. That's one of the things Senator Nicey's talked about.
I got to get. The network of states is you know, I don't
want to call it the confederacy, but anyway would be. I guess,
but I because now you're talking about something that's much more bottom up, where
the states cooperate and coordinate, you know, deal by deal transactions. So
you so you have a you know, so so you have relationships where you're
helping each other do a better job, go faster, and they're you know,
given the different strengths of the different states, there's so much that can
be done to cooperate between those states that will really help advantage each other.
So, you know, I think it's pretty exciting. And if you look
at the you know, we have an extraordinary number of very capable and talented
state legislators who have been you know, they haven't gone up to the federal
level. They haven't become senators or congressmen because they're too clean. Yeah,
they're too clean. But they're very, very competent, and they're very capable,
and and it's taken a while for them to realize, oh, I'm
more competent to engineer this than you know, all these hot shots. You
know, they're they've got a control file, they're they're on, you know,
they're on a leak. I'm not on. I can do this.
And so that's what's important is that the state and local races is far more
important. You have far more leverage than you do with Washington. So I'm
telling you to spend almost all your time and money this year on your state
and local races. That's right. You know, don't worry about the federal
election because this will be sincided. And if you're in a state that where
there's not going to be financial transaction, freedom and you can move. You
know, you may get your you know, think about what I don't want
to say that because the traffic problem is really that. Think about what happened
in twenty twenty. And that's where you can see that where the rubber meets
the road is at the local level. So your schedule is going to be
there as I'm coming. I'm coming at the end of January, and I'll
be over. I'll be in Hickory Valley for the first week or two,
and then I'll move over to Shelbyville and be going up spending a lot of
time in Nashville, and then I'll be networking around the state for lots of
meetings, and then head up to New England for the the end of figure
I'll be there for a week and then come back to Tennessee. But I'll
also be going. We'll be going around the country and we'll at some point
we'll put off our schedule by the end of the month so people will know
where we're going. We're really responding to clusters of people, particularly Celerat Report
subscribers who want to meet up. And it's great because when you know,
one of the things that happens and this is one of the reasons I want
to do this is we have these wonderful subscribers and they're in a place and
they say they're no like minded people around, and I'll look at our database
and I'll say, look, they're a ton of like minded people around,
just they're all subscribing to the larboard. So we'll go there and meet up
and then everybody meets and it's so amazing to watch, David, because literally
you can be in some of these meetings and within within an hour they look
like they've known each other for twenty years. It's so fabulous, you know,
it's so fabulous. So anyway, so we're going to try and do
a lot of meetups and make sure people can find each other, you know,
sort of in their local areas. Good. So people check the checkslar
dot com, say your schedule as it gets finalized, because you're still building
that. So that's great. Looking forward to seeing you at one of these
and I'll be checking the site to see where that's going to be coming.
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We have Aaron Day and he has been a Republican candidate for a president.
I was going to say, you know, if he wants to extend this
campaign, he could have me as his running mate. We could be Dan
Knight. But we are not on opposite ends when it comes to CBDC.
We're both of the same mind and as I said earlier in the program.
I saw his article on Brownstone and it was actually an excerpt from his book,
So we want to talk to him about that. But as he was
running for a president, he made CBDC the central point of that. And
so thank you for joining us, Aaron Day, appreciate it, thank you
for having me. And we were talking off air, and I wanted my
first question was going to be you said you have suspended your campaign now,
but my first question was going to be what was your take on how some
of the candidates have talked about this issue. Of course, we'd had Desantist
talk about it, we had Ramaswami talk about it, and we've had Trump
recently talk about it. Tell people your take on this, and tell people
your story about what happened after you suspended your campaign. Sure well, I
ran for president specifically to bring this issue up. In fact, my goal
in running as a Republican was to try to get into the debates so that
I could elevate this issue on the national stage. Little did I know that
the debates were going to turn out to be, you know, meanless,
people wouldn't watch them, and they were going to be structured in such a
way where you couldn't even talk about issues like CBDC or anything that happened with
COVID. But in the process I did chat with many of the other candidates,
and in fact, I've given copies of my book to several of the
candidates. The most interesting one was with Vibek. He actually read my book
and we discussed it. I gave him a copy of my book in June,
and I actually have interacted with him on a number of different occasions.
And so when he dropped out and endorsed Trump, one of the first things
that happened was he had consulted with Trump on the CBDC position. And so
Trump came out in New Hampshire and Portsmouth actually, which I'm in New Hampshire,
That's where I live. He came out and adopted an anti CBDC stance.
So I was grateful for that, and I hope that in a way
my book and my conversations with by Vek actually helped push that issue and put
a sense of urgency around it and the other candidates. As you mentioned,
DeSantis has been anti CBDC, rfk Junior has been anti CBDC. Haley has
not spoken about it, although based on her idea of you should have a
you know, need a digital ID in order to access the Internet. I
guessing she's going to be on the wrong side. I think she would say,
if you're going to buy something, I want to know your name,
because he wants to know your name if you're going to get on the internet.
So yeah, I thank you. Exactly, Yeah, exactly. But
part of the conclusion of my book is that they're really I believe there's a
greater than fifty percent chance that we're going to have at CBDC implemented before the
twenty twenty four election. And so a big part of what I'm doing in
this book and in doing workshops across the country is trying to educate people on
what they can do outside of voting, which is to exit the dollar and
move into self custody crypto gold and silver and start using it in a parallel
economy. And part of what happened happened is traveling around the country. You
know, I spoke with Senator Ted Cruz, who is the leading opponent of
CBDC in the US Senate. He put a bill out there to try to
stop CBDCs and halt CBDCs, and it failed. And he said flat out,
there aren't the votes in the United States Senate to stop CBDCs. It's
that amazing the Senate is currently Isn't that amazing that they won't vote for it?
You know? I saw that Tom Emmer, who's the House whip.
You know, he came out in opposition to CBDC right about the same time
as desantists did, and I thought, well, that's good, and that's
interesting. Where's he coming from? And then I realized that he's got a
lot of ties to cryptocurrency, And of course there is this, you know,
the pushers of CBDC, like Liz Warren and Biden, all the rest
of them. They want to shut down the competition from cryptocurrency, obviously,
and so I kind of got the sense that Tom Emmer was talking about CBDC
in order to defend the people that he's allied with in the crypto industry.
But before whatever's motivations were, I thought it was good that it was happening.
But isn't it Isn't it depressingly strange that nobody in the Senate will support
something that has the ability to turn us into the worst dystopian novel that anybody
has ever imagined worse than anything people have imagined in the past. Well,
it's strange, and it's really discouraging because one of the things that Ted said
was that he thinks that there's a reasonable shot that Elizabeth Warren becomes the chair
of the Finance Committee in twenty twenty four, depending upon the outcome of the
election. And in fact, Cruz himself is only ahead by two points in
Texas and so there's been a lot of discussion about the amount of money Soros
is putting into Texas and everything else. So Cruise is actually, I believe
it or not, on the hot seat there again after his challenge from Beido
last time around. So yeah, he said absolutely. So they're really there,
really aren't the votes. I mean there are some. Cynthia Loomis has
been one in the Senate who's also been pro crypto. But I'll tell you
what I think is going to happen is we're going to have a situation that
is going to gain bipartisan support for pushing a CBDC, and that's going to
be around terrorism and money laundering. And you're already starting to see the discussion
around that, and that is an issue so let's say now that you know
Biden has decided we're going to begin our military excursions in the Middle East,
if there's a terrorist attack in the United States, I could see us having
CBDC implemented in a matter of a couple of weeks here in the US if
there's a terrorist attack, because they'll say, well, it's about money laundering
and terrorism. Crypto's bad, they'll say, because it's used for terrorism,
which isn't true or not even close to the scale that cash is used.
But then but then they'll say, well, we can't have cash either,
because cash can't be traced. And so this is going to be the typical
reason of using a fear based event to push something that absolutely scripts us of
our rights. The questions, how is Obama going to get billions of dollars
to to the Iranians if we can't send them a plane filled with the cash
foreign currencies especially, maybe it'd be the other foreign currencies of other people that
he'll use to pay them off. But the problem with these CBDCs is the
ccs. CBDCs are not like Bitcoin, where there's a transparent ledger of all
of the transactions and a fixed supply the kinds of CBDC they're looking at implementing.
They're going to have control over how much they will be able to digitally
print it, and they'll be able to me program the money in ways that
we're not going to be able to see. So in some ways they're going
to have even more capacity to do nefarious things. I agree, based on
how structure. Yeah, we didn't start with that in terms of the features,
and listeners of this program pretty much know about CBDC, but it kind
of lay out the case against this in a nutshell when you would present this
to people who didn't know anything about it, because, as I pointed out
in the past, a lot of times, people didn't know what CBDC was.
But if you described the functions to them and it's the potential risks of
this, the downside of it, they didn't want to have anything to do
with it, but they didn't know it was CBDC. So what would be
the nutshell case that you would give to somebody who's kind of coming into it
cold. Yeah, I mean basically, Central bag digital currencies or CBDCs are
basically a form of digital money that can be programmed, monitored, and censored
by the government. So basically, you know the way you'll hear the globalist
present it is it's all about financial inclusion inconvenience. But in reality, they
will be able to see every transaction you spend. They'll be able to even
control how you spend money in the first place. So if you've ever had
a health savings account, a health savings account is basically a debit card that
you'll get from Visa MasterCard and you can only spend it on certain health related
items. Well imagine that concept except applied to everything you buy. So in
other words, if you're trying to buy something with this digital cash and the
thing you're trying to buy isn't already on an approved government list, you can't
buy it. It's also the gateway to other things like social credit systems and
everything else. So in the future, if your social credit score drops,
if you say something on social media people don't like, if you use too
much CO two, based on whatever their guidelines are, they can actually restrict
your usage of cash. If in the future the government decides they need to
stimulate the economy, they can actually say this. And I've seen this in
the EU and some of the language around how they're looking at their CBDC.
They can literally just say use it or lose it. If you have money
in your account in the form of CBDCs, if you don't use it by
such and such a day, we're literally going to remove it from your account.
Because this is the way that we want to stimulate the economy. It
is complete control over human behavior using digital cash that's controlled by the government,
and to me, it is the single biggest threat to human liberty, which
is why I ran for president and it's why I wrote the book. Yes,
yeah, And of course you know, when we look at it,
it's it's by knowing everything that you're doing, they can, you know,
ration things to you like a food, meat and things like that that they
don't want you to have too much of. It's also it hearkens back the
beginning of the excerpt that you had in that article that was up on Brownstone.
The excerpt from your book was it kind of begins with, you know,
life, and these people are living in this smart city, fifteen minute
city, something like that, and unfortunately the husband says something that the political
authorities take exception to, and it reminded me very much of what we always
would hear about stalinism. You know, they control your job and therefore your
money, but they also owned your house, so you didn't know you couldn't
work except with their approval, and they were the ones who were providing you
with a home. So if the political authorities didn't like that, you were
homeless and you were penniless, and you were out on the street. But
this is far worse than that because they have so much more visibility as to
what you're doing. And when we talk about the fifteen minute city issue,
that's another aspect of the CBDC. They can you determine where you can spend
that money, so maybe you couldn't spend that money out of outside of your
little fifteen minute area or maybe the larger smart city that they have put you
in. You can't go to another place and have anything to live off of
when you go there. So it's about the kind of control that people have
only theorized about in dystopian science fiction models. But it is that and more.
It is really a horrific thing. Well it's that more. And actually
if you look at the UN seventeen Sustainable Development Goals, you can actually get
a sense what I did is just an exercise, as I said, okay,
well, let's look at all these seventeen sustainable development goals. If you
were going to turn that into a social credit score, what would you measure
and what types of incentives and penalties would you put in place? And how
would you tie that into a tracking system and into CBDC. When you go
through that exercise, what comes out of the end is something that looks a
lot like what already exists in China today. I think one of the big
issues with this and my big urgency on this again the reason I've been a
serial entrepreneur and a political activist for a long time, I dropped everything to
focus on this because really two things. One, I saw the person who
introduced me to bitcoin in twenty twelve is now spending eight years in federal prison
or the act of selling bitcoin. Another friend of mine who started a company
called Library or Odyssey you may know it. It's a platform or content,
he was targeted by the SEC and basically put out a business because he was
using the blockchain technology and was using tokens. And so I started to see
that not only was the government is cracking down big time on decentralized cryptocurrency,
and I wanted to look at well, why are they doing this, because
my friends who are suffering through this, we weren't doing legal activities. They
were actually very much hardcore liberty activists that were just engaging in voluntary activity.
And then when I studied how far cbdc's had gotten, then I saw,
well, wow, the alarm bells went off because as of today, there
are one point three billion registered CBDC accounts globally. People are not aware of
this. China, Yeah, go ahead, China. China has deployed CBDC
these they're gradually they started out with two hundred and sixty five million accounts.
They're rolling it out to the rest of the country. There are eleven other
countries that have already implemented CBDCs. There are one hundred and thirty countries that
are at various stages of either exploration or piloting CBDCs. And to put this
into perspective, bitcoin's been around for fifteen years and there are multiple different types
of crypto. There are five hundred and eighty million people globally using decentralized crypto.
There are one point three billion CBDC accounts, So the growth rate on
This is phenomenal. And of course it's forced, so it's a little bit
different than you know, whatever voluntary adoption might be. But it's eclipsed crypto.
And the more alarming part, and I actually wrote an article that's on
zero Hedge about this, is the United States has completed three successful CBDC pilots
and this does not hit the mainstream news. And if you ever hear fedchair
Palell talk about CBDC, he does one of these, well, you know,
we don't even know if we're going to consider it seriously, you know,
we're it's it's still at the discussion stage. The reality is they've done
three successful pilots. The first pilot is called Project Hamilton, and it was
done as a joint venture between the MIT Media Lab and the Federal Reserve of
Boston. And this is basically what would replace cash. This is basically what
you know, that's the substitute. And in their pilot that they did from
twenty twenty to twenty twenty two, they got the technology to work and it
can handle one point seven million transactions per second. So to put that in
perspective, the current financial system does between fifteen and one hundred thousand transactions per
second. So they've developed a CBDC that is more than ten times the capacity
of the existing financial system. And in the conclusion what they said is,
well, the technology works, but we need to figure out the legality and
how to market it, which to me says they're waiting for a crisis to
put it to work, but people aren't aware of that. Now this gets
even worse because this MIT Multimedia Lab, the chair of the MIT Multi Media
Lab is it was a guy named by the name of joy Eto, who
famously received funding from Jeffrey Epstein and visited Epstein's island a couple of times.
And the article that I wrote about this goes into some I've uncovered some things
that were really astonishing and not to go into too much. I don't know
how much technical detail your audience is used to on crypto or getting into any
specifics. Yeah, go into the specifics and go into the details. They
can handle it. I'll say this, so you know, I've got involved
in bitcoin in twenty twelve and I've been using it. In fact, in
New Hampshire there are stores and restaurants where you can actually use or could use
up until about twenty seventeen, you could actually use bitcoin to buy and sell
things in the state in Hampshire. Something happened in twenty seventeen where there was
a big split in the bitcoin world and the white paper for Bitcoin it says
in the first sense that it's supposed to be used for peer to peer digital
cash. It's supposed to be used for people as a means of exchange,
means of basically, it's a currency, And all of a sudden in twenty
seventeen, the narrative shifted from bitcoin being about digital cash to it being about
digital gold. Now it's something that you hold to preserve your value. It's
something like gold. You don't use gold typically today for day to day transactions,
but you use it to preserve your wealth as the dollar keeps on losing
its value as we keep on printing more money. Well, it turns out
that the developer, one of the main developers who is involved in making this
technical change switching bitcoin from cash to gold, was also one of the authors
of the white paper for Project Hamilton, the CBDC and his the funding came
from this joy Eto guy from MIT Multimedia Lab, and I found that I
found an article the only article about this where Epstein was interviewed, where he
talked in twenty seventeen while all this was happening about how he liked bitcoin but
didn't think it was a currency but instead thought it was a store of value
or digital gold. So we have a situation here where this MIT Multimedia Lab
with funding ties to Epstein and Gates because Gates was actually funneling money into the
MIT multi Media Lab through Epstein. So it's like it's real incestuous. Wow
was involved in both developing the CBDC pilot and I would argue hobbling bitcoin at
the same time, And there's one common developer that was involved in both of
those tasks. Wow. So there's that. There was another CBDC pilot called
Project Seater, which is a wholesale CBDC pilot, So it's basically banks communicating
with one another for larger volume transactions and doing cross border transactions which are very
expensive and cumbersome. Now, how does that fit in with fed now,
which is what fed now is sold as a hostel thing? Is that was
that a priminary to fed now and Project now that actually that was launched after
fed now, So fed now is technically not a CBDC FED now is an
infrastructure. It's it's a it's basically a makes real time settlement possible between banks
in the United States, So the focus of it is domestic. This project
CEDAR is about programmable money that is cross border. And then there's an even
more dystopian pilot called Regulated Liability Network. And you know, I find with
these things, if they give it a really boring name, then there's probably
some real various agenda behind it, because it took me several times to read
the white paper on this thing to fully understand what it is. And the
idea behind Regulated Liability Network is a one database basically to track all CBDCs and
non CBDC transactions. It's basically like an uber database that tracks everything, whether
it's cbdc's from one country to another, or it even contemplates, you know,
bitcoin. And what is really frightening is the idea of tokenizing everything.
So this is a big movement right now, and you'll see Blackstone talking about
it real world assets and everything else. But basically we're moving to a model
where people are tokenizing everything, tokenizing stocks. This computer that I have in
the future could be tokenized every asset you have could have a digital token associated
with it, and through this regulated liability network, you're going to be able
to have multiple regulatory agencies monitoring sent and tracking transactions across different blockchains and CBDCs
as well as these digital tokens. So in the future, Wow, not
only could they shut off your money, but if I go to the store
and I buy a new Apple computer and it is associated with a digital token,
if the government decides my social credit score drops or they don't like what
I say on social media, they can not only shut off my money,
they can shut off access to my computer or and my ability to even sell
the computer. So it's like it's the next level dystopian infrastructure that they're putting
in place. Those three pilots, all three of them have one commonality,
which is funding from the MIT, Multimedia AB Wow Wow, and one network
to rule them all essentially. And you know there's also funding from DARPA going
to Microsoft or something I talk about frequently, the Coalition for Content Providence and
Authentication that is there to quote unquote push against disinformation misinformation. It's there to
shut now free speech. But what that does is that marks anything that you
do and it's a coalition of hardware and software manufacturers as well as a coalition
of gatekeeper media companies that are allied with the government. And so when we
look at this every aspect of our life, free speech, and any kind
of commercial transactions, they want to centrally control and be able to shut down
anything and everything that we do, our speech, our movement, our financial
transactions, everything. But the CBDC is right at the center of all of
this. And of course, the Biden administration began what was it March ninth
or something, twenty twenty two, where he tells everybody in the federal government
to got four areas that we everybody had. All of the bureaucrats under the
executive branch, the deep state, they all had one of four areas that
they need to report back on back to him in six months. It was
how we going to completely redesign the financial system, how we're going to do
the software to make this thing work. Law enforcement had one of the different
branches, how we're going to enforce this and force people to do it.
And finally they were going to market it with environmental issues, because that's one
of the tactics that they use against cryptocurrency to say that, you know,
the crypto mining is too inefficient. But of course these are people keeping dossiers
on everything and everybody in the world and keeping them at their data centers as
well as constant surveillance and data mining. So that's kind of a sham.
But they're very serious about that, and as soon as they did that,
they started rolling out fed Now but you believe that this is something that may
happen even before the election. I think it happened before it could happen before
the election. This is why I'm so passionate about this and trying to get
the message out. But yeah, Biden passed Executive Order fourteen and zero sixty
seven, as you just described, which which contemplates both pursuing CBDC and also
regulating all of the other digital assets, and they've been following through on that.
There are numerous exchanges that have in fact, most of the exchanges have
gone under There are numerous tokens and projects that have been targeted by the SEC,
like my friend who started library, and my have a friend who's in
jail for selling bitcoins. So they've actually been cracking down on bitcoin ATMs,
your ability to buy and sell. The irs just passed a new thing which
which says that you know, you have to fill out paperwork for any crypto
transactions in excess of ten thousand dollars, And of course they did that and
then didn't provide the form, So in other words, there was comply Basically
there's no way to comply, and so basically you couldn't do. It's essentially
a way of saying you can't do any transactions north of ten thousand dollars without
risking criminal penalties and going to jail. So they have been very successful at
hobbling decentalized crypto and an adoption. And again, these pilots are sitting there,
and the technology is sitting there waiting to be deployed and fed. Now
is the infrastructure on top of which they can put a CBDC or I guess
technically they could. If they wanted to be back handed about it, they
could. Actually Congress is required in order to put through a new currency,
but there's nothing that says that the banks can't regulate how the existing currency is
sent back and forth. So you could get effectively a de facto all of
the negative aspects of a CBDC by regulating the way money is transmitted through the
fed now system. So I've thought about that as a possibility as well.
So from my perspective, when I look at again Biden and what he's decided,
you know, we're going to take military action in the Middle East,
you can imagine a situation where if there's a terrorist attack on American soil,
you will get bipartisan support for a CBDC on the basis of stopping money laundering
and terrorism y And as an example for this, the Patriot Act was passed
forty five days after nine to eleven, PARP was passed eighteen days after Lehman
Brothers collapsed, and the two point two trillion dollar Cares Act was passed fifteen
days after COVID was officially declared a pandemic on a voice vote. Many people
are still in Congress have voted for all three of those things. So the
idea that they wouldn't usher in CBDCs in an emergency, I think. I
think there's a high probability that they could bring it in an emergency. And
from my conversations with Ted Cruz, Cynthia Leomis, and then some of the
folks in the Warren Davison and others in the House. The votes are simply
not there before the twenty twenty four election to stop something like this, And
again, if it's done on an emergency, it'll probably get bipartisan support.
Wow, that is amazing. And of course an emergency could also include some
kind of a financial emergency. That's what many people have been talking about,
and I'm sure you kind of war gamed that out as well. Do you
see this possibly happening with some kind of a financial emergency, because they certainly
have created their conditions for a financial emergency, just like they've created conditions ripe
for World War three or a terrorist attack. Well, yeah, my opinion
is that what we're seeing as an actual, intentional, controlled demolition of the
existing financial system, because it's the typical problem reaction solution model. They create
the problem, they try to generate a reaction, which is usually fear,
and then they already have the solution waiting in the winnings. So they already
know they want to implement CBDC, they've already developed the technology, and clearly
the world is going in that direction, and so a financial crisis if you
look at it, So the dollar has gone from being backed by gold to
banks being required to hold at least ten percent of customer deposits and reserves.
We have a fractional reserve banking system that was a eliminated under COVID, so
banks are no longer required to have ten percent of customer deposits on reserve,
which means that, Okay, if you go in to take your money out
of the bank, where is the bank getting the money to be able to
satisfy your withdrawal request? While they're getting it from a principle and interest on
what commercial real estate which is failing, residential real estate which is struggling,
consumer debt, student loans which were just restarted recently, and forty six percent
folks said I'm not going to repay my student loans right out of the bat.
So the bank is already in a situation where they have no reserves and
basically their source of liquidity is drying up. So I think our banking system
is an incredibly weak position. And this at a time when Russia announced today
one of their strategic plans for twenty to twenty four is to get off the
dollar as soon as possible. The bricks are moving aggressively to get off the
dollars. So you basically have pressure on the dollar, on fear currency,
and on the banks for multiple directions in a way that we haven't seen in
modern history. So I think that I think that collapse is the baseline scenario,
and the best thing that we can do is actually to get out of
the dollar and start using self custody crypto gold and silver in a parallel economy
to protect ourselves or otherwise we're going to get forced into CBDC. That's how
we get forced into CBDC. All of a sudden, one day it's oh,
your fiat currency is now CBDC. I mean that's to be a bank
holiday, and that's it. Yes, And we have one of our major
sponsors is Wisewolf Gold and silver. You set up David Knight dot gold and
whenever I talk about it, Aaron, I say, you know, I
don't look at gold as really. You know, they can manipulate the price
of gold, they can manipulate the value of the dollar, and so these
things are constantly fluctuating and fluctuating for their advantage, and you try to time
this, you're going to get burned. I said, no, I look
at it as as the because of CBDC and I look at it and you're
talking about you know, crypto gold and silver, it really is necessary.
You talked about the fragility of the banking system. Commercial real estate that you
pointed out that is heavily, heavily impacting the small and medium sized banks.
And they're already shaky because of the rapid escalation of interest rates that left them
trapped with T bills and things like that, as we saw several bank failures.
So the entire banking industry, except for the really big guys that are
going to be too big to fail, they're going to be partnering with the
Federal Reserve and they will make sure that they that Jamie Diamond and these people
continue and there so, but the rest of the banking industry is incredibly fragile
at this point because of these this volatility and the interest rates that caught them
out, and because of the commercial real estate stuff that again hearkens back to
COVID. Let's talk a little bit about Nigeria, because of all the countries
that tried this stuff, Nigeria was one where they did an early experiment.
People didn't like it. What can we learn from that experiment and what did
they learn from that experiment, because I'm sure that they have fine tuned the
way that they'll impose it on us after what they saw with Nigeria. So
what are your comments about Nigeria. Well, Nigeria is an interesting case.
I actually talked to several people on a Twitter space from Nigeria about this as
it was going on. One of the things that you'll find and one of
the things I talk about in the book is that there really is a push
here towards one world global government, and there are specific organizations involved in pushing
this, specifically things like CBDCs, and those organizations include the WF, the
UN, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank. And in the
case of Nigeria, Nigeria is one of these examples where nobody in the country
wanted a CBDC, nobody was asking for a CBDC. The CBDC was pushed
on them by the World Bank and the IMF with strings, as those organizations
often do as they go in and help destroy property rights and destroy countries for
purpose of enforcing their own standards and their own will. So Nigeria was not
set up from a technological perspective to have CBDCs, So just from a basic
perspective, so it's not it doesn't really apply as much here because obviously most
people here are using online banking or have cell phones or whatever. I mean,
we're already from a technical standpoint able to handle the actual adoption of it.
But in Nigeria, they literally didn't have the technical infrastructure, and so
people were going to ATMs and all of a sudden who couldn't pull out cash,
and you had fires and rioting and everything else, and so it really
I think in that particular instance, came down to this was a country where
they weren't technology technologically enabled for it, and they handled the marketing and the
rollout of it in a horrible way. And if I call correctly, I
think they're ahead of their central bank is in prison right now. Because there
are also claims of corruption involving a whole variety of different issues, and so
I don't know that we can take much from the Nigerian experiment and apply it
here. And because there are one point three billion people on the planet that
now have CBDC accounts, a lot of the arguments are a lot of the
complacency as well. Yeah, maybe they've done it in some of these smaller
countries, but they can't do it here. Well, no, if they
can do it in China, then from a technological perspective, they can do
it here. And again the tech, the tech already exists. So if
people were willing to take vaccines for a donut or you know, a medium
or French fries, then then they'll they'll use the carrot. They'll use the
carrot and the stick or the stick. It depends on the situation. So
either we're going to have some fear based event and it'll be pushed in to
keep everybody safe, or they'll try to make it one of the things where
I'll get one point three digital dollars for every one dollar you have in your
bank account, and most people, if they're unaware of what's going on behind
the scenes, will actually take it because it seems like a good deal at
the time, and all of their marketing is about convenience and financial inclusion.
These are their buzzwords. I'm going to do another article that talks about the
double speak and it provides a guidebook to what these terms mean when these people
are pushing this out, Because the biggest one you're going to hear We heard
it at Dabbos again a couple of weeks ago. You hear it at the
UN It's financial inclusion. This is all about financial inclusion. That's how they
try to market it, and it couldn't be anything further from the truth.
Yeah, they want to exclude you from everything because you're not going to be
a stakeholder. They're going to be the people that have all the stakes that
they're holding all the stakes on us. Yeah, that's the type of thing
that Gates worked with India on with the Adhar system, and he came in
saying, you know what, these people are just not included in society.
They need to have an ID. It's like, oh, I didn't realize
that was what was missing from my life. So new government I d And
so they incentivized it with the poor people, saying if you take the number
of the government, the number of the beast you're going to get. You
can get some welfare, you can get healthcare and that type of thing.
And we've seen this Aaron with World Coin. You know, Sam Altman is
out there saying, well, you know, you let us scan your eyeball
or whatever, we'll give you some free world coin, you know, and
so I think there'll be a stage. And when I look at Nigeria,
maybe they tried to roll it out slowly, kind of incentivize that. They
go, well, maybe we've got some poor people here, we can offer
them something, and you know it, do it that way, but people
didn't really want it. So then the when the bribery doesn't work, they
come out with the bands and the blunt instruments and start beating you, you
know, into coercion. And and that's I think really where the emergency scenario
that you talked about. I think people are going to rapidly catch on to
what this is about unless there is an emergency. And as you point it
out, when there's an urgency, everybody's brain just shuts off because of the
fear, and they're grasping for anything, no matter how obviously dangerous and risky
it is. They will a little grab for that, you know, because
this is not even something is going to directly affect their health like a vaccine.
This is something that is a danger to their freedom, a danger to
them politically and legally in the future, and so of course they're not going
to have as much resistance to it. I don't think as they did taking
the shot when they were told there was an ergency. And it works every
time. Fear works every time they and they know it works. And I
will tell you one of the things that's interesting is I traveled to twenty states
last year meeting with various groups of people, and I will say eighty percent
at least had never heard of CBDCs. That's right. So this is not
a phrase or a concept or a topic that has hit the mainstream at all.
But I'll tell you something even more alarming, and it's really changed my
strategy with this. I originally thought early, well, you know, it'll
be the younger generation that will adopt this because they're more used to technology.
But I've actually I'm focusing more of my attention on boomers and Gen X for
a variety of reasons. One that they have all of the wealth. I
mean, I think boomers have fifty three percent of the of the wealth in
this country. But they also have some kind of remembrance of privacy or concept
of privacy and individual rights. What I'm seeing with Gen Z and even millennials
to a certain degree is a complete disconnect. There's a I think CATO had
a report out that said something like thirty five percent of Gen Z would be
okay with the federal government installing security cameras and people's homes to monitor for domestic
violence. Yeah, and Big Brother and so the idea of privacy. So
they're going to be more inclined to be like, yeah, well whatever,
this is more convenient, it's digital. Why wouldn't we we use this.
So I'm actually focusing my effort more on boomers and Gen X at this point,
not that you know, eventually we need to get everyone, but the
barrier is even harder for the younger generations because they don't have an expectation of
privacy and they don't value they don't value it as much. So think about
it, you know, and I've mentioned it many times. I thought it
was very interesting how they and I don't believe it was a coincidence. I
believe they started all the Big Brother stuff, the reality TV and it was
put out there when these generations are very young, and a lot of them
consumed that. And then oh, by the way, now we got social
media. You can do that. You can be a Big Brother celebrity too.
You might get a lot of followers, and so it really kind of
helped to break down those barriers, and people became kind of exhibitionists about their
private life, and they weren't careful about what they were putting out there publicly,
and so they don't really care about privacy. They would much rather be
known by everybody that's out there. They don't get the big picture. You
know, when DeSantis talked about it, he had about a twenty or thirty
minute press conference and had the sign up that said Big Brother Digital Money,
and I was absolutely blown away that. After he gives us presentation talking about
what we've been talking about and all the downsides of how it could be used
and abused against people, the first question was, yeah, but what about
President Trump and Alvin Bragg in Manhattan? You know what's going on with that
trial. And it's like total mind sequitor about that. And so everybody is
caught up in the in the in the theatrics of politics and everything, and
you know, nobody there the press was really interested. Maybe they were,
and maybe that was a millennial who was asking the questions like Big Brother,
Who cares? I love Big Brother? That's one of my favorite TV shows.
You know, it's like there's this total disconnect from reality, total disconnect
to all these existential issues that are popping up very quickly. And even if
they had debates, as you pointed out, the debates that the same questions
are being asked that were asked thirty forty years ago, and they're not really
relevant today, but they control everything, and then they at this time around,
they've even shut down the debates to shut down essentially the presidential primaries.
Talk a little bit about you said that Ramaswami read your book and pass it
on to Trump. Now, you know, when I saw Trump make the
announcement, he just mentioned Central Bank digital currency and our reaction to it.
And one of the listeners said, so, I guess he got a hold
of some of those analytics out there that said that some people are aware of
this and he needs to talk about it. But maybe it was Ramaswami whispering
into his ear. But I don't really, you know, I don't trust
the fact that he's going to do anything about it, because it was in
his administration that Steve Manucha and Treasury Secretary and Jared Kushner were talking about CBDC
and what they could do to afford it. So I think this is a
bipartisan thing. As you've pointed out, not very many people in Congress have
any concern about this, even if they know what it is, and this
might be something that they may talk about, but you know, can we
really trust any of these guys do anything about it? And as you point
out, they could very easily roll this stuff in before we even have an
election. Yeah. So rum Swami did bring it up to Trump, and
in fact, Trump gave him credit for it. Trump explicitly gave gave Viba
credit for pushing him on the CBDC issue. Do I believe him? No?
I know, you know, I was arguing with somebody saying, well,
didn't repeal Obamacare. We could go through the building the wall and have
back to We're not going to go through all the laundry lists. But am
I going to rest safe and sound thinking that he's not going to do this.
One of the things that I have found that Trump does is he'll make
a promise and then he'll go back on it, but then he'll claim it's
because he's really good at doing deals and this is how you get good deals
done, and then and then his followers will just accept that he never gets
any accountability because of that. Somehow he has this, he's been able to
use this device of being the you know, the art of the deal.
He's been able to craft that into a kind of a scapegoat for not following
through on on principle. But more importantly, and this is one of the
areas that you know, by Beck and I disagreed on a little bit,
which is I actually put out a candidate pledge and the pledge was, yes,
if elected, I will veto and do everything in my power to stop
at CBDC. But there's a second part to the pledge that says, if
they try to implement it before the twenty twenty four election, I will do
my best to promote the idea to the American citizens directly that they should move
into self custody crypto gold and silver as a way to stop it before the
election. And that's the I actually that was a sticking point with me and
Viveik. I was actually trying to get him to sign that pledge. And
this is the bigger point. So is Trump you know, is he on
this issue because of the analytics, because it's something that it looks like he
needs to he needs to actually say in order to get elected, or is
he really going to be willing to even before the election if they try to
put it in use his his megaphone to encourage people to take direct action to
stop it. I do not believe he will do that. I think we
sure have to. We need to talk before we run out of time about
self custody on some of these things. And as you point out, you've
gotten completely out of cash just real quickly. Though. It would be interesting.
Did you have any discussions with anybody any other candidates besides Ramaswami that we're
running, and besides Ted Cruz who has talked about any other politicians that you've
talked to and what might be their responses. Well, I've got a dozen
or so state reps in New Hampshire that have signed my pledge. I've talked
to state reps in different you know, Montana, Texas and a variety of
different states at the local level, and there's a big push now at the
state level to try to make gold and silver legal tender at the state level.
So I've been talking to some of the people involved in that. They're
working heavily on that here in Tennessee, even trying to get a state bank
and a state depository, and trying to get the state government to own gold
in case there is some kind of a financial emergency. Yeah, so there
are, so there are efforts. I've also I debated, ironically, I
couldn't get into any Republican debate, but I had multiple debates with various libertarian
presidential candidates. And so the libertarian presidential candidates, not surprisingly, are all
against CBDCs, and a couple of them, Mike Timott and Michael Rechtenwald,
have actually signed my pledge. So if you actually look at it right now,
RFK Trump, the leading candidates in the race. Everybody but Biden has
at least stated their anti CBDC. So that's something. But again, to
me, it's something, but not enough. It's not enough. I know,
it's more interesting that these people would even just turn their back on it.
I mean, a pledge is easy enough to sign, and when they
don't do that, that tells you a great deal about people like Nikki or
whatever. But let's talk about the self custody and things that we can do
as individuals, because there really isn't anything that we can do. I think
that there's not much we can do in Washington. It's difficult to get anything
done even at the state level. What can we do as individuals? What
have you done? Well? What I've done? So I got into crypto
on twenty twelve and twenty nineteen, I exited the dollar completely and moved everything
into crypto, gold and silver. And in fact, I'd been a political
activist for a long time. I'd given up on the political process as well,
so I helped get people elected. I've run for a number of different
offices, and I'm like, look, this is done. I'm going to
move into crypto. I'm going to move into this technology and start thinking about
parallel economies and everything else. And then COVID happened, and a variety of
other things, and then I saw, well, this isn't just about having
decentralized alternatives. They're taking perverted forms of this technology and using it to complete
to create complete tyranny. So there's no coexisting. There's no going and hiding
in a cabin in the woods. When your opponent wants a one world global
technocracy where they have control over every aspect of humanity and control the land,
the air, and the sea, that doesn't coexist with you know, hiding
out somewhere. So I realized we actually have to confront this head on.
So you know, I've been using and my book goes into specific details on
you know, which cryptos to consider wallets and with gold and silver effect.
This probably won't probably can't see this, or you can kind of see this.
I'm holding a gold back. I don't know if you've seen these.
This is this is you know, one one thousandth of an ounce of gold,
and I've actually I give these to people if I go to a restaurant
or something, I will typically give these as a tip with some kind of
an explanation so that you know you now have because the one of the big
concerns about gold as well, how are you going to what are you going
to do? Go to a grocery store and you know, slice off a
piece of gold, and so these gold backs are a way of putting gold
into a into a usable form. I've also used silver, you know,
even you know you can get silver in one tenth of an ounce increments,
and so you can use that actually for day to day trade. And again
I'm in New Hampshire where there's a lot of receptivity to these kinds of things
with respect to crypto. You know, I recommend I'm not selling or promoted
by I only recommend cryptos that are based on the Bitcoin White Paper, that
are decentralized, that don't have a centralized corporate structure, because those cryptos can
be easily shut down by the government, and in some ways aren't even materially
different than the existing system. Something like Ethereum is completely centralized in the way
that it operates. The transactions can be reversed. It doesn't really offer any
real true innovation with respect to and many people have talked about maybe you know,
Ethereum might be the substrate in which they build something real quickly to put
out there on people. Right, I did not realize that the Ethereum transactions
could be reversed. That's interesting, Well, they can be reversed because because
now instead of it being this proof of work model where you have computers competing
to solve math puzzles to see who adds the next block of transactions, these
are now more controlled by whoever has more coins has a greater say in adding
the transactions to the next block. So it's kind of like a normal system
where it's it's controlled by a small, smaller group of elites. It's also
very expensive to use, and arguably it could be in illegal security. So
what I'm looking for are specifically, and I want to be clear about this,
I'm not making investment recommendation advice. I'm talking about the use of cryptocurrency
as cash, as a replacement for cash, which is different than as a
speculative investment. So Bitcoin, which I mentioned, went through this thing in
twenty seventeen where there were some technological changes made to it made it unusable really
as cash. There is a period of time in twenty seventeen you had Expedia,
Microsoft, Overstock dot Com. You have major companies and websites taking bitcoin
directly as a payment option. And what happened was because of extra use,
the transaction fees went up to as high as fifty five dollars. So if
you're going to spend fifty five dollars and in some cases ten to fourteen days
to complete a transaction, that made bitcoin unusable is money. Now they had
an option. They had an option which is they could increase what are called
the size of the block, so basically make it so that every ten minutes
you can handle more transactions, which is what basically the Bitcoin White Paper and
some of the other discussions contemplated, but instead of doing that, they decided
to implement this completely alternative system, and so bitcoin is not recovered from that
peak in twenty seventeen where it was being used directly as a payment option.
They now have this thing called Lightning Network and all of these other things that
are complicated, hard to use, and have a variety of other issues associated
with it. So I've found myself using predominantly bitcoin cash, Bitcoin sv raven
coin, and light Cooin are the main cryptocurrencies that I've been using as cash,
with bitcoin cash being the one that I've used the most. So bitcoin
cash actually split off from Bitcoin and has so it's essentially the same as the
original Bitcoin model, except with larger transaction capacity. So that's what I've been
using. And what you can do is there are certain stores where you can
use bitcoin cash directly, and you can also convert bitcoin cash to a debit
card if you need to and use that to make transactions. And then there
are services like BitPay where you can actually pay in certain cases, your mortgage
or other bills directly using crypto through a third party application like BitPay, and
so I outline all of this in my book in terms of how you can
actually acquire these cryptos and actually use them for day to day transactions to pay
your bills. And do you address having an offline wallet and that type of
thing, because that's the other way that they can shut this stuff down,
of course, shutting down the Internet and shutting down these online transactions. And
that's one aspect of this as a boomer who's not gotten involved in this,
that I don't understand, and that is the wallet offline. Is that something
that you use. Is that something you talk about in your book? Well,
one thing I I didn't mention it, so I stressed self custody.
So so one part about this is that you want to get a wallet,
and you don't want to have it in an exchange like coinbase. You know
that may be where you need to acquire the crypto, but you want to
have it on your own device or there are things called hardware wallets or other
options where you can store your keys and basically have in your own possession your
cryptocurrency. I mean, you get this question a lot, Well, what
if the grid goes down? I mean to be honest. With the grid
goes down, then we're going to be, you know, after ninety days
in a state of cannibalism. That's not even a joke. So there's a
So there are other things you can do around that. There are things that
you can do like creating mesh networks. And there's a whole other, you
know side to this, which ways of being off grid and creating alternative networks
to maybe keep some of this stuff going. But this is why I recommend
crypto, gold and silver. I'm not rev recommending just crypto or gold or
just silver. I think to predict that any one crypto or any one of
these things is going to win out at the end of the day would be
would be foolish. It's good to have kind of a balanced approach. And
when I do my workshop, at the end, people will have a gold
back, they'll have silver, and they'll have a self custody crypto wallet with
some crypto in it, just to get them started with the process. But
it's something you have to monitor on an ongoing basis. I mean, I'm
constantly there are more. I saw this Rodney Dangerfield joke. It was I
went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out, and you know,
and I feel like, you know, I went to a political debate
and in a bitcoin folk war broke out. I mean, there's so much
division and infighting within crypto and it actually it makes it hard for me.
I'd like to be able to say to somebody, by this crypto and here's
the solution. I can't. What I can do is I can educate you
on a variety of options and ways of looking at this and to say you
need to stay up on it, because I'm staying up on it. It's
changed so rapidly and it's going to continue to change based on government crackdowns.
There are lawsuits going on within the bitcoin community. There's one coming up called
the Copa versus Craig White lawsuit, which has huge implications depending on how that
how that goes, that will affect bitcoin and the derivatives of it. And
so there's just a lot to stay on top of it. But I do
encourage people to, you know, as I outline in the book, get
some small amount of crypto and put it in self costody and start figuring out
how it works. There's no substitute for experience and playing around with it well,
it's good and your book is the Final Countdown Crypto Gold, Silver and
the People's Last Stand against tyranny by central bank digital currencies. And in that
you not only lay out a fictional scenario of what it's going to be like
so people can understand, so they can talk to other people about this,
but it also you got some practical tips in there as well. And where
there's some comments their Travis that the people had let me read these comments.
Who We've got just a little bit of time left here. This is uh,
this is from Serge the Purge, who has also has a podcast.
Thank you for the tip, Surge, He says, David, I strongly
feel this is the wrong mentality with CBDC. I'm twenty four, I'm gen
Z and my parents are gen X, and most gen xers I've talked to
think there's nothing to see here. A lot of them think that they're still
in the eighties. If anything, we must educate people in my age group.
We're the ones who are going to have to live with us in the
future. Trump is hope porn. I personally wouldn't even entertain him. In
the conversation of stopping CBDC, all just talking points, call me back,
call me blackpilled. But this is such a serious issue. I think rather
educate on gold and silver and help people my age understand the severity of the
future through CBDC. Most boomers I've talked to literally told me to my face,
they'll be gone anyway, you know. I hear that all the time.
Eron when I talk to people about taking away call you always say take
away your ability to drive cars, And they said, well, yeah,
I think that's going to happen, but it's not going to happen in my
lifetime. And then I would have people at auto shows who are eighteen years
old who would tell me that, and it's like, and you know,
we look at this stuff, and we look at how they're cracking down on
this and the types of narratives that they pushed to us. I think everybody
needs to be concerned about this. And I think the book that you've got
there, in the scenario that you've laid out, I think that's very important.
Again, the Final Countdown. Is that available on Amazon? I guess
it's available on Amazon, and it's a kindle form, hardback, paperback and
also audiobook. But to address the question that you've had. I'm not just
focused on boomers. The book is made to be accessible to everyone. There's
a very specific reason though that if anything, I'm spending a little bit more
time. It's this. It's the banking collapse as it is staged right now.
It's a controlled demolition of the banking system. In order to stop the
acceleration. We actually need to accelerate the banking system collapse. And the way
to do that is the boomers have all of the well. So this is
just a simple math problem of if you're going to try to get people to
take money out of the system and move it into these alternatives, Boomers and
Gen X simply have more resources in the bank. It's not a question of
yeah, millennials and Gen Z and you know, I mean, I have
thirteen year old twins, and so I certainly I'm not I don't want to
leave anybody out, but we're in a we're so the material is accessible to
everyone, but I'm focused on where we can get the biggest, biggest impact.
And I've talked to a lot of boomers that are actually take the opposite
of you. They're very concerned about their kids and their grandchildren and they're very
concerned on the other end about what's going on. And I know, I'm
gen X. So you see these memes where it's like, you know,
boomers fighting with with millennials while gen X kind of just sits there and relaxes
and has a martini while watching it. And I'm not saying that that's what
it's like. There is more well, and I'll say this too, we
look at people people who retired. All my life, I've noticed this.
The people who retired have got more time, and they are not as busy
with life as the younger generations are, and so many of them will get
involved very heavily and be very knowledgeable about politics, and as you point out,
a lot of them are concerned. I think the best of them are
going to be concerned about future generations. People who are only concerned about themselves,
they're not going to be a part of the solution in anything. It's
only going to be the people who are looking after who want to not ruin
the future for future generations, for their children, for their grandchildren. Especially,
those are the people who can make the change. As you point out,
they've got most of the financial assets, they've got time that they can
get involved in this instead of playing shuffle board or something, and they can
have a real positive effect for other people. And so I do you see
that. I do understand and agree with that. And I think you also
sell your book at your website. Is that correct? Do you want to
give that to people? Well, my website is Day twenty twenty four dot
com. That's my old campaign site. It just links to Amazon, you
know, if you want, if you want to see what I was campaigning
about. That's it's a good place to go, good centralized resource for that
very interesting discussion. And we've let it go over a little bit on time
because it was so interesting. But thank you so much for joining us again,
folks, Aaron Day. And the book is Final Countdown to CBE Final
Countdown the Crypto, Gold, Silver and People's Last Stand against Tyranny by CBDCs.
So that is actually spells it out, so you can find it there
on on Amazon and of course Aaron Day you can look by author A A.
R. O. N. Thank you so much, Erin and good
luck to you. I certainly hope you can get the word out. We
need to get that word out. It's one of the reasons why we talked
about the political position on this, and it is important to know who the
people are that are so dead set against our liberty that they won't even make
a worthless campaign pledge because that is cheap. That is cheap to just say
yeah, I agree with you, sure you know, shake your hand,
oh I absolutely love it, and then go do something else. But the
people who won't even do that, we need to mark those people. Thank
you so much, Aaron, appreciate it. Thank you for having me.
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Show, all right, welcome back, and joining us now is Jay Warner
Wallace. He's been a guest once before. We've talked about his background.
He is a cold case detective. This is somebody who goes back and investigates
murder cases things that don't have a statute of limitations, murder cases where perhaps
all the witnesses have died and he's just going back looking at the physical evidence
of it. He's now written a book called The Truth and True Crime,
and I love the tagline here, when investigating death teaches us about the meaning
of life. It looks like a fantastic book, and so I wanted to
get him on to talk about that one as well. Thank you for joining
us their well, thanks for having me. I really appreciate. This is
my favorite book I've written so far, so I'm glad to talk about it.
Oh, it looks like a great angle and you know, and something
that you know really affects all of us, and everybody loves the crime aspect,
and the things that you glean from it too are really interesting. I
think, Yeah, I think there's actually some hidden Like I was not a
Christian through all my career, but to you know, the first eight years
or so, I was not a believer until I was thirty five. I
became a believer by examining the Gospels kind of from a forensic perspective. How
do we know or why would we trust if we tested these people as eyewitnesses.
Why would we even think number one, that they are written by eyewitnesses
or even anybody who had access to eyewitnesses. And if you did believe that,
how would you test them to see if they could pass the test?
Now, once I was in I started to look at human behavior a little
bit differently. Right, if you work murders, you are seeing people at
their rawest point, the point at which all of the kind of bars are
off. I mean, this is Sadly, when you get to the point
where you're willing to do something crazy like this, it's probably because you've been
pushed to a certain limit and your true nature is now going to be revealed,
and it really, I think, exposes all of our true nature.
So I wanted to write a book that has talked about like, what are
these attributes fifteen attributes of human flourishing that I discovered in fifteen separate crime stories,
and then talk about you know, is that something number one that Yeah,
secular people, they do studies on this and they confirm that this is
these are fifteen things that if you simply embrace these fifteen principles you will have
a better life. But it turns out these are fifteen ancient descriptions of human
nature from scripture that that people for the most part, think they're discovering them
in the last three three decades, when in fact, these have been on
the pages of the New Testament for two thousand years. And so I really
wanted to do a book where I kind of demonstrated that that's amazing. Yeah,
it's And why did you do a forensic investigation of Christianity in the first
place. Well, I was thirty five, so it was probably about nineteen
ninety five or six, right in that range. It took me about eighteen
months, I would say, to complete that stuff that I was. I
was so skeptical and not raised around Christians or anybody really believed in God in
a way they could articulate. So I didn't have like a leg up like
somebody who could say, hey, look at this or look at that.
I had to come at a raw and so I bought my first Bible.
I was thirty five, and it took me a while to kind of go
through the Gospels, and I was just tearing them apart from just word usage,
you know, all the attributes. I wrote about this in a book
called Cold Case Christianity, and that book just kind of covers that journey.
But that's something that'll get you to the point where you might believe it's true.
Look, I think that as a boomer, as somebody who's older,
I have a high value for whether something is true or not, and there
are people in my generation would probably agree. But I don't know that that's
the case for young people gen z and millennials. I think they're not as
concerned about whether something's true because they've co opted that word. That war doesn't
mean it's true anymore. It means it's true for me. That's right.
It's true based on my lived experience, or it's true based on how I
have applied it to my life. Doesn't mean it's true for them. Now.
When I use the word true, I'm using it in a more objective
way. But it's true for all of us, whether we like it or
not. I think that this generation I'm talking to now is more concerned about
whether or not it's good because they believe they've been sold by the culture that
Christianity is the source behind every evil intent, misogyny, racism, homophobia,
whatever it may be. They are going to attribute to it, to this
traditional Western culture worldview that we hold as Christians. So I wanted to show
that, Yeah, but if you didn't believe in Christianity, you're probably already
employing its teaching if you're flourishing, and the more you detach from his teaching,
the more you're going to struggle. So I just look, this is
what we're seeing in culture. And so I wrote a book this time which
really looks at all of the data. So most of my books I spent
a lot of time researching. And although this book has about fifty pages in
the printed edition of footnotes, there are two hundred pages in the pdf file
you provide online. Why because I want you to see that if I'm making
this claim, it's supported by the data. But it turns out that that
data simply supports what was claimed in Scripture two thousand years ago. So it's
eye opening for me to realize that our human It makes sense though. Think
about it. If we are designed by a creator God who knows something about
us, and we are in his image, then it turns out that that
book we have called scripture called the Bible, ought to describe us the way
we really are. Yes, And if it does describe us the way we
really are. You could consider that at least. I was listening to a
pundit who usually talks about politics recently who's Jewish, and when asked when he
defends why he's Jewish, he says, well, because it turns out that
these principles work. M m oh, that's interesting, and he sees that
as an evidence that the worldview is true. Okay, And by the way,
that may or may not be an evidence that your worldview is true.
But it strikes me that if your worldview is true, it ought to describe
you the way you really are. And so in that sense, it could
provide you with some insight into your human nature and how you could flourish.
Yeah, it would be necessary, not necessarily sufficient, but it would be
necessary for that. Yea's true, right, that's right, exactly right.
Yeah, what's the most surprising thing that you found out about human nature?
And investigating this? Well, so every chapter is a crime story, right.
So in one of these stories, I talk about celebrity and how sometimes
when you are a local, especially in the gang cultures, if you're somebody
who's known locally, you can kind of become like a celebrity. In your
own neighborhood, or at least in your own click or your own gang.
And I've got one of these stories here to show how detrimental our pursuit of
celebrity is. And the reason why I wrote that chapter is because I don't
think it's just it's not just a few of us who are seeking celebrity anymore.
I mean, there are no gatekeepers. You know this, even think
about it. We are able not to develop our own personal platforms without a
gatekeeper at NBC, ABC or CBS that used to be or Salem right,
whatever the radio station was that used to be the gate cape keepers that kept
people from becoming a celebrity. Those are gone. So now all of us,
if we can develop a following, we can make it from zero to
a million listeners without any support. And that's where I think we have to
be careful. It turns out that one of the most powerful attributes that we
could adopt as humans that would change your life. As a matter of fact,
if you simply embraced this virtue, you will have increased flourishing in every
single metric that we use to actually measure human flourishing, longevity, mental health,
physical health, the deepness of your relationships that I will improve your marriage,
I'll make you a better employer, a better employee, You'll learn at
a higher level, you'll get better grades, you'll make more money. I
mean, every way that we measure flourishing improves if you simply adopt this one
thing. And it's really the opposite of celebrity. It is the attribute we
know as humility. Now, they've been studying this for about three decades and
looking at all kinds of studies that are out there that talks about how humble
people succeed at levels that are far higher than the rest of us, and
why that might be true. Okay, fine, but it turns out that
humility is one of those things that I think if I ask people, hey,
what do you think the one attribute you could adopt that would help you
in every aspect of your life at a higher level than anything else, I
don't think many people would come up with humility. But it turns out,
yeah, it is actually the thing we need to embrace. Now, what's
interesting about that. Think about every worldview that's out there, none of them
leverage humility, like the Christian worldview. What I mean is if your theistic
worldview. Your spiritual worldview encourages you to do these certain things to reach the
highest level that your spiritual worldview offers. In other words, if it is
about earning something, it's a transaction between you and God, a transaction between
you and the universe. There's no way to avoid pride in that kind of
a system, because at some point you're going to look across the room and
say, I'm doing better than that. Did. We measure based on our
achievements, right. And I have a friend who's now no longer with his
name Mike Adams. Mike and I would travel and do a lot of events
together, and he used to always tease. Ill writ in this book how
to Become Humble in ten Easy Steps and How I Made It in eight You
know, it's like this, there's no way that you can pursue humility without
at some point doing just the opposite and becoming prideful. So it turns out
that humility is something you It's an assessment. Spurgeon calls it the proper assessment
of who we are before a holy God. Now, Christianity leverages this because
it's the one worldview that says, no, it's not a transaction. There's
nothing you can do to earn this. As a matter of fact, if
whatever the highest thing you think you hope to achieve in your worldview is,
We're going to give it to you. It's a free gift over here.
Why so that Paul says, no one can boast. It's an antidote to
pride and celebrity. It's an antidote to look what I did is look what's
been done for me. This view requires us to begin in humility, because
to say that, Okay, there is God and it's not me, well,
it's a very humble position. I'm not the God of my own I'm
not the center of my own decision making universe. Well, this begins and
ends in our Savior, says this pulses have the attitude the g his head,
who, although he existed in the form of God, did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped, but instead emptied himself taking the
form of a bond servant, taking the form. In other words, it's
all humility start to finish, and as difficult as that is for us to
achieve, if we don't recognize its power in our lives, will never even
try to submit will never even begin to let go of the things that possess
us. So I just want to spend one chapter in these fifteen chapters talking
about the role that celebrity plays. And by the way, almost every crime
you're going to every crime you're going to commit, is driven by the different
chapter. But these three prideful motives, it's the pursuit of money, the
pursuit of sex, or the pursuit of power. Now, that pursuit of
power, that's a huge category of misbehavior, and that's where celebrity fits all
of us. Look, you and I both would we like more people to
listen to what we're saying. Of course we would, Though we might protect
ourselves from the pursuit of money and the pursuit of sex with knowing that that
can derail us. We don't usually protect ourselves from the pursuit of celebrity.
In fact, what we typically do is want to increase that area of our
life. So we can We'll argue, oh, because I want to reach
more people with this divine message. Really, so we will increase the celebrity.
Now, now here's the danger in it, and this is a different
chapter, But there's a danger in this I have never known anyone of those
three motives for misbehavior. And there are only three. There's not a fourth
motive. There isn't Now you can discover this secularly working as a homicide detective,
or you can discover this on the pages of scripture, because John writes
about it in one of his letters. But my point is, those are
only three motives out there for stupid, and if you don't protect yourself from
those three motives for stupid, you will eventually do one of them. Here's
what I've noticed. If you begin to scratch one of those itches, you
will eventually scratch the other two because the other two become available to you on
the babe of what you've achieved in the third. So you see this,
and even Christian leaders right where they fall for someone. Why, well,
here's why, in my opinion, is because as a congregation, or as
your deacon board or your elder board, they're trying to protect their pastors from
the sex and money. But everyone wants their pastor to be known more so
that they can build a bigger church. And when you increase your celebrity,
you only open the door to the other two. So this is why I've
struggled with this even in writing this book, because as I'm writing this book,
if I'm going to heed my own advice, I have to do less
of this, because it turns out all of this talking about a book you've
written is about you trying to amplify your platform, amplify your influence in culture.
And that's I think there's a good by the way. All three of
these things have been designed by God for his glory and for our good.
We just happen to distort them. So sex, money, and power or
something that God is giving us in a positive way. This is another chapter
in the book. It's a chapter about a guy who was basically homeless and
was killed. And I'm thinking, what are these three motives? What did
this killer have to gain from this homeless guy who was so sweet They called
him Santa Claus because he looked like Santa Claus and he was as sweet as
Santa Claus. And what does he offer in terms of sex, money,
or power that would be worthy of killing him? Well, here's what happens
is that when we focus on those things that are given to us by God
instead of on the God who gave him to us, we're stopping one level
short of our worship, and we all worship, everyone worships, whether you're
a believer or not, there is something that you think as of utmost importance
that you dare not take that from me, because that's the thing that I
covet and this idolatry is what causes us. So in this particular case,
this poor guy had slipped over. They were he was recycling stuff. Every
day. He would go out, spend the first half of his day picking
hup a trash can, going through trash cans and picking up recyclables. Then
he would take them to the recycling center and get this tough money to go
and he would buy alcohol and food in the afternoon. And that was his
day every day, very very workmanlike. And he had slipped into an area
of our city that another guy who was doing the same thing felt was his
alley. Don't be picking trash out of those two cans. And although the
amount of money that Santa Claus probably got from that was what pennies dollars,
maybe it was enough. So he confronted this guy. He confronted the Santa
Claus and said, don't be doing that anymore. At a recycling center,
and Santa Claus kind of just blew him off. Well, it turned out
in that one moment he had triggered the two of the three things. Number
One, he had disrespected him, So the idea of power, authority,
respect, that's in the third category. Now I'm upset because you disrespected me
in front of my peers. Two you're taking pennies or dollars. But because
I've turned both of these things, I covet them at a high level.
I've now turned them into idols. You are not try to destroy my idols.
And that night he stabbed into death over virtually nothing. This is the
power of idolatry. And by the way, it's not just people you work
and working homicides. It's all of us. And so on that chapter.
What I try to do in every chapter is show you, hey, if
this is your struggle, whatever these things are, here's a way for you
to address it. And in this chapter, I just to ask fifteen questions,
like what you want to know what your idols are? Because we all
have them. Well, ask these fifteen questions and you probably identify them.
And then once you've identified him, we can start to actually think, Okay,
look, it's something that God has created it rather than the God who
created it. We simply have to transfer our worship up one levels, just
from the level where we're stopped in God's creation and back to the creator.
And so it's something that if you do it, you will flourish. Will
you will not Number one, you'll protect yourself from stupid and number two,
you'll actually start to pursue the things contribute to a meaningful life. And you
do that, you do that with thankfulness because when you say you thank God
for what that is, and sincerely think about what it is that God is
giving you, you look at it as not something that you've achieved, then
that does move it to the higher level. And yeah, with that right
now, I'm I'm skipping across a number of different chapters here, but yeah,
I think you're right. I think the part of it is is that
what I've discovered, and it is true of all of us, is the
least thankful people are the people who think they have nothing to be thankful for,
or the least forgiving people are the people who think they have nothing to
be forgiven for. So it does turn out that a proper assessment of who
you are, because it's really easy for me to think, well, everything
I've got in my life, I achieved that. Yes, I am the
reason for all my success, the reason for everything I've ever possessed. Okay,
if that's your view, well, that kind of pride is it doesn't
lead any more positive. That's right, because anytime anyone challenges that that might
not be the case. You're now And so it turns out that that whatever
it is we've worshiped, that becomes the master, the master that you dare
not question, the Master that I'm now willing to give up tons of time
for resources for. I can say that, you know, I had that
early on when I was young. I had a lot of success with a
lot of stuff very easily, and I did think it was what I had
done. And I got to say, it was such an amazing blessing for
God to take that away from me and humble me, you know, And
that's exactly what it was. And I thank God for that taking that away
from me the biggest blessings of my life. And you're absolutely and I think
you and I as guys, we are even more prone to this because and
this is a differentis chapter two of the book. It's an identity issue for
us. I mean a lot of it is is that I don't have my
as a Christian. I ought to have my identity in Christ. But the
way we form identity, and I covered this in the book, we don't
typically form it that way. What we typically do instead is we form it
as men in our achievements, in what it is we've achieved. So if
I asked, you know, who are you David Well, You're going to
say I'm the host of the show. If you said, who are you,
Jim Well, I'm a cold case detective. Okay, is that who
I am? Look, I haven't been in a dayline episode in three years.
Okay, I need at some point you need to say, Okay,
who are you really, Jim? And this struggle of identity is so key
to how we function in the world because identity is really exposed as our forms
of worship, because I guarantee, as men, we typically form our worship
based on what we do. You know identity when you study it in the
surveys and the research on this, it's inseparable from value and purpose. And
unfortunately a lot of us form our identity based in reverse. In other words,
we asked the question where am I valuable? What am I good at?
What do I have purpose in? Okay, that's who I am?
Rather than say, well, no, who am I? I want to
form my value and purpose based on my identity first, not my identity based
on my value and purpose, because that's the problem, because there's nothing but
pride that comes out of forming your identity based on what you're good at,
because it's about what you're good at. Yes, so this is and it's
the biggest, one single move that leads them to contentment is to reform your
identity not based on what you can achieve, but based on what you receive
from a holy God. That is amazing. When you're talking about that,
you say, you know, how do you define yourself? You know,
is it the show that you have, is it the book that you've written,
or is it the career that you have. It makes me think back
to the Austrian Empire when they would have their emperors die. They had these
big, elaborate funerals and they would take them to this amazing crypt Actually I've
been there with my family to see this thing, and it truly is amazing.
And they would have as they bring the body into the crypt they would
knock, and the person inside would say who goes there? And they would
give all of the big political titles, you know, he's the empire of
this, and the king of that and all the rest this stuff. I
don't know him. And then they would knock again and they say who is
it, and he would give family relationships right that he has. I don't
know him. And then he'd knock a third time and it would say,
and it's a humble sinner rons Joseph, I know him, enter, you
know. And that's a kind of an interesting thing. Awesome. Yeah,
that's an awesome just a word picture of what we're talking about here. Now,
this is something that is and I don't know how much time we have
on this, but let me just say I've got a friend, Nam Joe
Martin, who's a doctor, who is a philosopher and a theologian. We
have plenty of time, by the way. So he says that men are
all about the Asians. When we have conversations, it's all about the Asians.
And I think it does expose how we form identity. So here,
for example, he would say, when we meet another guy, we shake
hands and we say, what do you do. The first ation is occupation.
Okay, that's the first ation, and when we're not really asking what
do you do? We are because of how before identity as men, we're
asking who are you now? As we ask that, all identity, remember,
is comparative. It's not about well, how wealthy are you? It's
how wealthy are you compared to this guy or everybody else. That's how you
know if you're wealthy, how smart are you compared to others? Sadly,
identity is for by comparing, and that's why it's so prideful, right,
because we have a tendency to say, well I'm better over here, I'm
better over there. So occupation is the first ation. And then what we're
measuring. We're saying, okay, well I know what that job requires in
terms of education. Second aation, we're now we're saying, well he's better
educated or I'm better educated. We're measuring here we are in that first conversation
with another guy, and by asking what is your occupation, we're starting to
measure the other asians. Second one as education. Third, well, we're
asking, well I know what that makes. If you're a surgeon, I
know you're making some or if you're an accountant, what it is you're measuring
compensation? That's the next station. So at some point then you're asking,
too, well, how good are you at this? You could be a
doctor, but just be a terrible doctor. Reputation is the next ation.
What are we doing here? Well, we're measuring based on we're assigning value
based on the answers here. And if you're a guy, if you're a
cop, especially, you could be somebody who's that's got nothing more than a
high school education and you're working as a parrol officer and I've been making that
much money, you've never tried to do anything other. But if you're six
foot eight and cut like a Greek god, you're still the biggest dog in
the room. Because now it's about intimidation at the last ation. So I
think he's got a point. It's very unlike now. I'm sure that for
all of us. If you're not a guy, you're a woman, and
you're listening to this, then there's probably some other level of it. But
be honest, we do this all the time. And because identity is comparative,
it really takes it rears its head, most notably in group gatherings,
where you're introducing yourself because now you're getting the opportunity to compare well, there's
the danger in it, and identity becomes the thing that sadly is behind so
much of our trauma and struggle. This is a separate chapter of this book.
I'll give you an example of this. We would do a lot of
work now with officers to Billy Graham Association in the summer. So we're getting
ready to lead in two weeks here to do the first of six weeks of
counseling for marriage resiliency for officers who have been involved in critical incidents and and
now they're struggling in their marriage. And sometimes they only men get there before
they get a divorce. They get a divorce, they say, we're not
coming. I always say, just hold on, just try to get through
this trip first before you make a decision that big. But this is the
dire straits therein Okay. I discovered by three or four years ago the thing
that is the biggest struggle for officers, especially if you're in injured, is
identity. It turns out that if you were to look at all of the
trauma in your life, whatever it was, if it was an injury,
you suffered, a divorce, a loss of a job, a child,
being loved, whatever you lost, whatever it was you suffered in a trauma,
You'll see that at that same point you were suffering the trauma, you
had a relatively dramatic shift in your identity. You thought of yourself as married.
Now you're divorced, you see yourself differently. Identity is simply how you
continuously see yourself. The self is at the issue, and every time you
suffer a trauma, you suffer an identity shift. So it's interesting that trauma
typically causes an identity shift, but the opposite is also true. An identity
shift often causes trauma. So if you wanted to protect yourself from trauma or
minimize the kind of trauma you'll experience, you need to put your identity in
something that can't be shifted, stolen from you, taken from you, bruised
in some way, damaged in some way. And of the three ways that
we form identity inside out, outside in, or top side down, only
one of these three ways is stable enough to protect you from shifting. If
you're forming your identity outside in where you say it like this is how the
ancients did it. You know, this thing outside of me existed before I
was ever born, and I'm just going to reach out and grab that and
form my identity. So it's a tribe. That's the tribe I was raised
in. It's the name of my family name, it's the profession of my
family. We're all cops, so that's like who I am. Okay,
that's outside in identity, and I all of us do some of that inside
out based on my desires, my preferences, even my sexual preferences. I'm
going to ask you outside of me to identify me based on my innate heart's
desires. Okay, that's inside out identity. Both of those are unstable because
at some point your job ends, you're going to retire, then who are
you then? Or you're going to get injured and or your desires are going
to change because your heart is fickle, the nature of it. Well,
then get ready to suffer some trauma on the course you're now. If you've
formed your identity top side down, where you put it in something that's transcendent
and unchanging, then you're going to have lows in your life, of course,
but they're going to be not quite as deep because that the day before
you suffer the injury, you were a child of You were in Christ that
day. The day after you suffer the injury, you're still in Christ.
You're still the same God sees you the same way. Now, are you
going to struggle because you're an injury? Of course? But who you are
hasn't changed. And it turns out that's the thing that we struggle with the
most, even in an injury. It's not so much just the pain of
the injury, it's who am I now? And that's why we have to
kind of really be serious about our identity formation or we're going to find ourselves.
It's about human flourishing. It really is. Yeah, And of course
you know it's about integrity. And we often think about integrity is how other
people perceive us or something, but it really is how you perceive yourself.
Do you have that integrity and you have that integrat If you're thinking about that
from top down, this is so wise. I'm really enjoying listening to you
talk about this, and I think about how unique things are right now.
As you begin talking about that, you said, you know, this lure
of being famous or a lot of people following you, that all comes with
the social media stuff. It truly is amazing to me to see that and
how that has transformed younger people. And it is such a transformational thing to
think that there is some value in having a bunch of people that you don't
know, you know, following you and everything. I'm going to tell you
sing on that. It's amazing. Yeah, that is something that we take
for granted, David. We take it for granted because yes, we are
now in an age the information age has become the identity age. Why because
so how do we start? If you go on our social media platforms,
what's the very first thing we have a moniker, like, what is the
public name? I'm going to adopt that I want you to see me as
second, we're going to put to buy you. Now, we're going to
list a series of priorities, identity priorities in the bio. So all of
this, then we're going to spend the next how many years on social media
posting only in a way that amplifies the way I already want you to see
me. That's right. So I'm not going to reveal something of myself that
violates the identity I've already established. And even if I'm not even thinking about
it. My posts always expose who I am, And there were times in
generations prior where you didn't know who people were, and the way you know
who they are now, having access to everything we think gives us gives people
complete access to who we really are. And I think we know that if
a republic figure and so we're careful. You know, I never post anything
about my family on social media. I stay pretty focused in that area of
what it is I'm trying to communicate related to the Gospel, and I just
stay focused on that. Now that doesn't that gives people a view of me
that's not actually true. It's the view that I'm crafting for them, and
we have to be aware of that. But everyone does that. I mean,
I see people I follow who you think all they do is eat get
But it's really that it's not just that we are in some way forming and
sharing our identity. It's that we are also revealing our idols, We're revealing
our priorities. We're revealing this stuff that we think is so consequential, so
important that we are willing to proclaim it. That's one of the ways you
can you can see what your idols are, ask yourself, like, look
at your social media streams. Well, I want to know what your idols
are. I can kind of figure it out if you've got a social media
platform, right, that's right. Yeah, we got a full lifelog that
is up there. Yeah. You know, it's such a shallow things we're
talking about with social media. It's there so that you know, you can
glorify yourself. Isn't it interesting that in the last days people become such lovers
of self that that we've never had those tools, that we've never had the
tools to magnifize it exactly. Yeah, And I think at some point we
are going to have we're going to see that this is not beneficial to our
well being and we're going to volunteerly pull back a little bit, or we're
going to reach a point in our lives where we're going to burn out on
it and we're going to put so you might be more active on social media
at some point in your life than you are later. But I'm also trying
to be very careful not to be the old guy who's just shaking his fist
at the moon, right, because I use social media as much as anybody
else but I do want us to be very practical about it. Like,
look, if we're trying to protect ourselves from what causes us to do bad
things, we have to have a very honest assessment of who we are.
Are we buying in This is a different chapter in the book. But are
we by nature innocent, born innocent, born virtuous? And we are corrupted
by our families, by our environments, by the systems that are in place,
even from government systems? Is that who we are? Or is the
flip true that we are by nature fallen and depraved enough, but no matter
what system you put us in, we'll find a way to corrupt it,
even religious systems. Which of those two things is true? We need to
figure that out because if the second is true, which has always been the
claim of the Christian worldview, that we are by nature fallen, well,
now we can explain certain aspects of what happens in culture, and we can
put our resources in the right direction. Look, Luther put it this way.
We are so inwardly focused that we can take even things that are good
and corrupt them and do them for selfish. You can even behave uber morally,
but you're doing it for selfish reasons. Yea, even our efforts to
do something godly are entirely depraved and selfish, is what his claim is.
This is what you find also in the modern studies about altruism, Like people
are trying to figure out, how could it be that someone who could be
a Pulitzer prize winner can also kill his spouse or her spouse. How could
that be? How could it be that there's somebody who, for the last
thirty years has been an exemplar in our community, the deacon at the church,
the doctor who delivered my babies, Yet thirty years ago he killed his
wife. How could that be? There's no way he could be that duplicit?
Is there? This enigma of man has to be sorted out. Now,
what I see in the studies is that, yes, we do have
good examples of the altruism of humans. Humans are capable of great altruism.
They are until it doesn't serve them personally. So in other words, I'm
usually the studies show that humans are usually pretty generous until resources get tight.
Then we start hoarding toilet paper. Well why are we doing that? Because
we are at our base nature self serving, and even when we are doing
good for others. It serves us in some way. That's why we're doing
it. We want to be seen a certain way. Very seldom to see
people who you know do good things, who aren't proclaiming to you that they
do good things. That's how you know they're doing good things. Well,
that's because that proclamation is what they're really after. Yeah, okay, that's
the truth. If that's the case, then now we can make a proper
assessment of our own condition. Number One, it causes me to know that
I am not trustworthy, that I am no different. Number One, It's
leveled the field for me. So I never went into an interview once I
had this realization. I never went into an interview and thought I was somehow
better than the guy I was interviewing. No, I knew that we're all
the same person. And but for the grace of God, my buttons haven't
been pushed the way that this poor guy's buttons have been pushed. Now,
look, this is not to try to elevate people who do bad behavior.
I'm a justice guy, so we're going to take care of this. But
I recognize that I am just like him. We are all just like him.
When you watch an episode of Dateline. I'm hoping you're not sitting there
and going, yeah, what an idiot. I hope if you watch it
with a certain amount of introspection and you're thinking, oh, that could easily
have been me, because that is where humility begins. It begins when you
realize the proper role. By the way, if you know the fallen nature
of humans, if you know that's really true, well that also changes the
way you establish systems. This is why our country was built in a way
that had the kinds of checks and balances between the three arms of the federal
government. Why is that there because the people who formed it new you can't
trust people, you can't trust humans. We are by nature fallen if we
don't have a way to check and balance each other, if we don't have
a community. Basically, this is why the Christian worldview has not lived in
isolation, because this is why marriages. So this is another chapter of the
book why marriage is so important. Because I've close enough to another human that
i have given her permission to tell me where I'm wrong. I've given her
permission to help shape me toward what it is God wants from me. And
if you're not in a relationship with somebody who you know well enough to have
given them permission to tell you what an idiot you are right now, and
you don't have true friends, and you don't have the kind of relationship that
will urge you towards something better. So it turns out that those are other
things that sociologists have discovered. It was a chapter in here about true friendship
or why because I've worked so many cases where people were killed by somebody they
thought was their true friend. M Well, so what is the nature of
quality relationships? What we need to kind of dig into that, because it
turns out that there are some relationships that if you're listening, that you're holding
right now, that are hurting you, that are detrimental to your well being,
and that might at some point, by the way, likely if I'm
the first time I'm going to do, if I'm working your homicide, is
I'm going to look back at all your relationships because the chances are that is
somebody you knew really well who kills you. And in the end we have
to ask the question, what am I doing wrong that I'm out with somebody
who I have not in some way vetted better? You know, so I
think a lot of this is important for us as Christians to say, oh,
yeah, by the way, the scripture has an antidote for that.
This Christian's got great guidance for that. We just haven't been paying attention in
this generation. It seems. Yeah, you have a statement. Many crime
stories are centered around poor relationships, you know, not having a relationship or
having a relationship that's going to I guess goed you into that right some way.
Yeah, I mean this is why. So if you're looking at what
causes and we've got enough time, I think you're to cover this that if
you look at what is causing, what really describes relationships that will cause you
to flourish. It turns out that studies show this one of the longest studies
ever done on human happiness, looks like sixty year study that was done,
and it really revealed that is your relationships there at the key the core of
what causes you to feel content, to be happy, to have satisfied life,
satisfying life. But it's not just any kind of relationship. Turns out,
it's the kind of deep relationships that you cannot have with hundreds of people
on social media. So there's three things. Three things that lead to the
quality of flourishing in your relationships. Here they are, First, you need
deep committed relationships with people you've given permission to be like a brother to say,
hey, you know what did your author rails here? And that has
to be with a small number of people. You can't have those kinds of
deep committed relationships because they require a certain amount of vulnerability and a certain amount
of time. So if you're somebody who says, oh, I know lots
of people, I got lots of friends, well they're probably not. Then
these kinds of friends, you need to have a small number of deeply committed
relationships with third piece, virtuous people. Now here's the reason why. I've
met lots of folks who are deeply connected to others who are not virtuous,
and they're basically they're part of their crime family. And so you can have
deep connected relationships that lead you astray because there's no virtue. Now here's the
tricky question is what do we call virtuous? Who gets to decide? So
there's a code of ethics amongst gangsters, is that what is virtuous? What
they say is because they would say, hey, if you offend us we're
going to come over there and kill you. That's just the code. You
knew better before you did that. You should have known that was coming because
you know that's what you're going to get. And so who just gets to
decide what is righteous, right or wrong virtuous? Who gets to decide that?
Is it a group of people or is it a single individual, or
is there something that transcends all of us that it overarches all communities. So
it turns out that virtue is something that does require a transcendent, unchanging,
overarching virtue giver, the authority that we would actually say virtue is grounded in
because if we say it's grounded in groups, then get ready for all kinds
of stupid. And we're already seeing this because what's virtuous to even politically,
what's virtuous to one side or the other is very different. Then we're arguing
that is if there's no transcendent, overarching virtue. So this is one of
those areas your relationships that does benefit from a worldview in which you can ground
virtue objectively. There's a couple of places where that happens in this book,
but this is one that's very important because we can say you tell your kids
all the time, but don't be handles. There's a bad people who gets
to this out they're bad. This is now suddenly caught. Is going to
have to cause us to think about how we ground good and bad? How
do we ground a righteousness? And if you're going to ground it in just
the opinion of people, well that's every case. I work at some point
you have to be wiser than that. And that's why I think it's important
for us to adopt the one worldview, grounded and humility that provides you with
an objective, transcendent source for virtue that is such great wisdom. I'm really
looking forward reading this book, and of course it's just come out, but
it is available now, right, Yes, it's available now. And I
appreciate you can learn more at the Truth than truecrime dot com. The Truth
intruecrime dot com. And because I'm so sensitive to the idea that this should
not be about us just building a platform and trying to sell something. What
we do at that website, you'll see there's a ton of free stuff that
comes with the purchase. We simply wanted to try to level that a little
bit right so that you don't feel like this is about spending money on a
book. I really want to advance the causes that are in the book,
and that's the challenge, of course. Excellent, excellent book. Again,
it is the Truth in True Crime that's in not end the Truth in Truecrime
dot Com. And just before you go, I know you got to go.
This message is from Guard Goldsmith and Rock Finney says thank you both.
Cold Case Christianity is excellent, and in the conversation today, I'm reminded that
the trap that even catches people who try to spread freedom messages or biblical messages,
it seems that one must beware of commoditizing oneself. Difficult to promote one's
work, even freedom or biblical work without that promotion becoming self promoting rather than
praising God. That's absolutely so good, so good. Yeah, great observation.
He's written me before. He loved Cold Case Christianity, which you got
the first time I interviewed you. But I'm really looking forward to the Truth
and True Crime. And again there's a website, the Truth and Truecrime dot
Com. Thank you much, thank you so much for joining us, Sarah.
Excellent stuff and such wisdom. It truly is amazing. Looking forward to
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