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Be following is a presentation of play
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trying to turner the goal line.
What the hands you pass up? Up?

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Here comes the button? Now the
sideline shown that. You know,

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he practiced well, his attitude,
ude and want to and everything's been really

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good. And we you know,
Coach Reed's been talking about we need to

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get him in more andy, and
he got him in there. And I

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thought he ran really well, ran
hard, you know, got actually yards,

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fought for extra yards, made some
people mess, broke some tackles.

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So in my opinion, and he
keeps practicing like that, playing that he

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got to get more carrier. Well, that was coach Kappan. He was

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talking about Elijah Collins. I'm your
host, Jason Straehorn my loam with my

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co hosts Otis Wiley and jay U
Chew Chew Colcrik and this is smart On.

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We are now gonna break down the
preview for the Ohio State game.

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And I know we've been talking a
lot about Elijah Collins and his effectiveness.

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Guys, going into the Ohio State
week is gonna be paring aout. The

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MISSISSII is able to rush the ball
on the ground, obviously. And you

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know something came out today, a
little message from the Twitter world, well

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up here and it's from yours truly
Elijah Collins at two four FAU showes and

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blessed. Now, what do you
guys think of that message? The thing

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I take from that message is he
got some reps in practice. He's in

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the game plan. That's what I
took from that message. You know,

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you know the game plan, you
know how how the week's gonna shape out

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and everything. You know Wednesday,
you know, big practice. I think

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he was heavily involved in the game
plan. That's why he's he's a little

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juiced right now because everyone's been you
know, doing the talking feed Collins Feed

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Collins, let Elijah eat, And
now I think he's gonna get an opportunity

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to eat. Yeah. I think
it's Uh, that's that that's that time

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where you go look at the depth
chart back in the day when like,

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oh, where's my name man?
And it's at the top. Yeah.

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On work that he's been doing.
I mean he's been a team player for

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day one. I mean think about
it. He took a seat back when

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Kenneth Walker came in. He was
his biggest cheerleader. It was run,

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like you said, running back by
committee. But now I think the hard

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work is being recognized, not just
internally, because I feel like one is

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like, why has he not played? Two is I think Spartan Nations is

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seem like there's a different juice when
he's in the game, and that's a

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completely It's transparent and a parent that
he is in the game number one running

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back. Hopefully we'll see that he
gets to start. Hopefully he does get

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the start this week against the Ohio
State Buckeyes as kickoff except for four pm

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in Spartan Stadium. The buck Eyes
come in on their first game on the

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road of the season in Week six, which is pretty rare. Guys.

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They're a top team coming into Michigan
State. Michigan State half beaten Ohio State

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as a top five team five times
in history now and including one number one

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ranked Ohio State team back in nineteen
seventy four, nineteen ninety eight when one

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of us was on the field.
Ye yevo world, Yes, sir,

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you know so. I mean this
is a little different. You know,

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they got a team in here who's
rolling. They're very balanced. I mean

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they're averaging over three hundred yards passing
and two hundred yards on the ground,

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one of only two teams in the
country doing that. Miss State's got the

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work cutout for him. R I
guess absolutely positively. We already know it's

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on the board. You saw the
body of work that they put together already.

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I mean, they're convincingly whipping guys
up in the shape where like it's

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no, like, oh man,
Ohio State's about to go down. They

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haven't had that test yet, right, and so they're coming in high mighty

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as they use do. And it's
really about playing our ball and not trying

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to do stuff out of the ordinary, which I feel like we've been doing.

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It's like, let's play a ball. Go ahead, Jaya, No,

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you're one hundred percent right, owners
And the thing that really struck me

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that you said is Michigan State playing
their game years past. I know when

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we played, when we would play
a team, there are times that we're

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going to you know, Ohio State
or Ohio State will come to us and

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we're one loss or undefeated at the
time, and we try to change the

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game plan and do too much.
We try to go outside of who we

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are Michigan You're talking what are you
talking about, because we already know elephant

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and the room on this one is
uh John l slapping his face field goal.

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Yeah, you know, we tried
to do too much and there's chaos.

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You know, we got to you
know, Coach D said it best.

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You have to stay the course and
we are who we are, all

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right. We got to figure out
how to amplify our game. Offensively,

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we have to figure out how to
get stops. Defensively, we have to

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play aggressive defensively, We have to
get off the field on third down.

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Defensively and offensively, we have to
control the clock, keep Ohio State's high

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power offense on the sidelines. Even
if we go and we get three points,

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even if we have a fifteen play
drive and you come away with nothing,

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you're still running and keeping the offense
off the field and that clock control.

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That's the big thing we have to
do that. We have to stay

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within ourselves. We can't let the
moment get too big and piss down our

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legs. Yeah, you were calling
the game when we were playing, right.

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Do you recall Coach D's first year
we went to the Shoe and we

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almost made a comeback where like that
was the closest that I feel like I've

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been in beating Ohio State when they
had beating Wells. They had I don't

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even know the quarterback name. This
was before uh Terrell Pryor came in and

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that you know, Jim Jim Trestle
started a freshman quarterback after that, after

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this game. But I do remember
offensively, it was a slow start and

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on defense we had to get turnovers
and I recalled too. I was still

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benched, but then came in and
played second half and took a pick six

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to the crib. Right, I
remember that, so think I mean you

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called that game? Do you remember
that game at all? Oh? Yeah,

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I remember that game. It was
a defensive struggle that was on that

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team, no younger than us.
Yeah, we were able to get some

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points offensive. Now, don't be
talking about defensive struggle. No, no,

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we were. We were able to
throw up some points there. And

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you don't let me tell you about
that game. We were at Ohio State

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that game and coach d this is
how ingrained. He was into this right

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because he was there. But Michigan
said this home. He made our director

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of football operation, Brad Lungsford,
drive to Ohio State and get bluck Eye

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the nuts, the buck Eye nuts. Remember that. Oh, and he

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gave to each of us before we
got on the bus to go to the

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airport. That's how you know mental
like you know that we we are who

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we are, we own them.
Kind of mentality that Coach d was trying

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to bring to the program is this
is a game that ended up forty two

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to thirty nine. No one.
No, this was like a sad It

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was like a seventeen fourteen maybe or
even like seventeen twenty. It was a

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close one because we we almost had
it, because we almost we got another

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turnover. I mean, it was
my fault, but I try to get

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greedy and I scoop it like I
try to scoop it and pitch it back

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to the Irvin Baldwin. Uh,
and he dropped it. But but you

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think about so this is what I
knew. Coach D'Antonio was the coach for

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us, so obviously being on the
side with the Buck guys, he's on

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our sideline and I'm talking. He
is talking cash money to Malcolm Jenkins junior

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man. I remember it to this
day and Malcolm Michael Jenkins out here talking

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crazy to coach D and Coach D's
talking right back, man, And that's

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when I knew, like, man, like, we're not gonna back down

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anymore. We're gonna play like usually
they always are stacked. We're always the

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you know, it's not smaller team, but we weren't as nationally known.

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They were always naturally known. But
this is where it was like, look,

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we're spartans, man, we dressed
up, we practiced the same,

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and we can compete at this level. I mean so yeah, So if

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it was, it was, it
seems like a defensive struggle. Although jay

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you doesn't want to admit that.
I just looked at the score game pick

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six is he's taking about trying to
pass it back, but with jay Us

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somehow says they scored a lot of
points. Tell me more my bad play.

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Players, players mess up. I
looked at this, Corey was fourteen

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to three. Okay, okay,
okay, defensive struggles but whatever that defensive

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line. Wise man once told me, never let it, never let the

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truth get in front of a good
story. All right, all right,

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that's a good story. Offensive jumper
out jay U was all over the field,

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catching ball right, running up and
down the field, and somehow ODIs

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semestered it up all right three no
no no no no seven no no no,

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no no no. It wasn't let's
we gotta we gotta figure this out.

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We gotta figure this out here skip
twenty four. Yea, at some

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point, look, he's the only
one. He's the only one on the

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podcast that beat him. Though,
let's be like pay homage to it,

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like tell us about that game though. Yeah, yeah, so it was

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a November it was. It was
a chilling November night. It was chilling

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November night, twenty eight and a
half point underdogs. The young Spartan team

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went down there, led by guys
like Bill Burke, who was a quarterback.

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Plexico Burris was our receiver, you
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But it was really the defense and
special teams, those guys that you

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don't like on special team kickers,
guy by the name of Paul Edger.

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I think it was five for five
that night, perfect that helped Missus State

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win that. I mean, how
many snaps you how many snaps did I

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have? I mean how many plays
you remember? How many players did you?

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Go? Oh, probably seventy five, seventy five plays somewhere in that

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neighborhood. But they had a guy
by the name of Andy Katzimoyer who was

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this. You know, they unretired
Archie Griffin's jersey just for him. He's

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a linebacker. He was all world. And you know, people were like

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afraid of linebackers for whatever reason.
But on the offensive line, if you

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ain't good, what's a linebacker?
Bro? Linebacker? You know? So

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you know, you boy had to
handle Andy Katimore. The big Cat was

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his name, right, We neutralized
the big cat. Cedric Gerbin was able

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to get off for some big plays
on the ground. But the defense man

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Robert Smith, Julian Peterson, Eric
Morris, I mean we just had Ronaldo

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Hill on the back of the interception, right, yeah, yeah, Yes,

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that was a that was a turnover
in the ball game, lad,

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in the ball game when they got
a fumble script fumble and turned it over

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and we went back out there.
But I'm telling you, you know how

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that horseshoe is right and it's intimidating. Its loud, and you feel that

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pressure. It felt like, you
know the term band of brothers. The

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guys are all together, and you
know, we didn't hear it. It

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felt like we were all alone.
Out there like it was like we were

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on a camping tree by ourselves,
and all we needed to do was go

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through this and do what we know
that we can do. It was like

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we just need to execute, execute, execute, execute. We didn't care

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about what was going on around us. Everything was clicking, you know,

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when the kicker's kicking, the receivers
are catching, the defense is clicking.

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I mean, who can beat us? Right? And then for me as

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a center, when we would break
that huddle, I knew we were gonna

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win. When we broke the huddle
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we were down by two scores or
more, and you can hear that defense

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arguing with one another. I don't
know if you ever heard this, Guys,

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have ever been out on the field. You break the huddle and you're

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lining up and you see that defense
and they're pointing a finger and f bombing

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this and you're stupid and years they
were doing a lot of that stuff.

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And I said, we got we
got, we got them. And you

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know we still had about, you
know, three scores ago. But somehow,

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some way we were able to pull
it out. And I'm talking one

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hundred thousand people that horseship. Quiet, Man, it was just silent out

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there. Bro it was You've seen
three generations in the paper the next day,

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three generations a son, a father, and a grandfather crying their eyes

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out because they lost. They were
the number one team in the nation and

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we had gone in there to beat
them, and they just stayed there and

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just looked at us as we celebrated
and danced. The coaches were dancing.

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Never seen coaches dance like that.
Man, You would have thought we won

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a national title. Broke. It
was crazy important, like to see.

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Man, got some important questions for
you. All right, What time was

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kickoff? Because I know it's a
night game. I think it was three,

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okay, so so you got back
in time. So okay. How

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was the plane ride back? It
was It was a it was a fun

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playround. I don't really remember it, but it was none no adult better

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just I can tell you that.
But it was when we arrived in Lansing

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Airport. Man, the crowd,
it was a crowd there like a parade

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when we landed and the people were
cheering, and just I mean the whole

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city was happy, right, the
campus was happy. It was a different

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feeling, man, It was something
magical. Okay, we looked forward.

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These guys do again, right,
so I still gotta go. How you

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do the people out there want to
know the inside scoop here. Okay,

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you know we're not gonna we're not
gonna shirt answer the questions. Okay,

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A three thirty game, four thirty
five, thirty, six, thirty,

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seven thirty, you left, flew
out by eight thirty nine, forty five

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minute flight. You were back in
East Lanton by ten thirty. Which part

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you hit up first? Midnight?
It was still still got two good hours.

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It's not good hours out. We
couldn't even get to the buses.

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There were so many people by the
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I mean it was after midnight,
gos. So everybody's like, where

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do we go? Where are we
go? Like everybody kind of just hung

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around together. Nobody wanted to go
to a bar. Everybody up together over

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in Cherry Lane, Erry Lane,
Cherry Lane Lane, make out of you.

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It was a lot. It was
fun. Man. Those are fun

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times, great memories and hopefully you
know, we could see more of that.

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I mean, you guys have had
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felas look last two meetings between Ohio
State and Michigan State Mel Tucker Era was

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a meeting COVID, an eerie site. No one in the stadium. A

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Buckeyes come in led by Justin's fields
man, and was it an ugly day

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to be on the field because Justin
was on it stride man, I mean,

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Michigan State had a tough outing,
you know, like Justin's playing for

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the Bears right now. It looked
like he could have been playing for the

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Bears. Then he goes on,
you know, throws the touchdown there.

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Then we are in the end zone
and can you believe this one? A

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pick six to a defensive tackle.
He didn't even he ran out of the

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end zone like we were like wait, wait, he was playing Madden and

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he was gloating. Yeah. Yeah, he gets ready to run the other

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way and his buddy, his teammates
like, hey, you scored, Oh

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I scored, Yeah, he scored. Incredible. Man, So that that

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game ended up fifty two to twelve
two years ago, and we go on

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to last year. As we know
in the Horseshoe, c J. Stroud,

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another quarterback, another touchdown pass to
the buck eyes. He does it

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time and time again. I mean
he went thirty two for thirty five for

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four hundred and thirty two records third
way, four hundred thirty two yards rather

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and a school record six touchdowns fellas
in the first half from speech from speechless,

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I can I don't even know what
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Yeah, this guy, he didn't
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Do you remember, I'm sure sparking
paper remember this game. This was

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a I mean, how many how
many how many first rounds or wide receivers

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went to the league. They had
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league two first rounders. Yeah,
I mean we got to give credit.

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What credits do with with coach heartline
Man, Brian Hartline. We played against

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him and he is an x's and
those schematic receivers coach, I mean,

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he gets those guys every year playing
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and it just it looks like,
you know, we're we just we're

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around communicating sometimes just just how how
the chips fall? Man. But it

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definitely last year was one of those
like kind of humbling beatdowns of like we're

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not there yet, right, We're
not there yet, so give us some

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time. But with with with seeing
c J. Stroud, I mean he

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basically almost won the Heisman on us
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yeah, you know, you talk
about you know c J. Stroud and

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Michigan State came into that game nine
and one. If you can remember,

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if you recall that, you know, Ken Walker the third was a little

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nicked up in that ball game and
you have the loss to Purdue. Outside

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of that, Mischigan State would have
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And if you can recall, if
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and they've gone to finish the season
the way they did, they're probably in

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the playoffs. Guys. I mean, that's how close it was last year.

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Yeah, definitely, they definitely are
in the playoff with the way that

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things shook if they finished like we
did and the Ohio State Michigan game ended

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like it was. Because we beat
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game. And I think most likely, you know, K nine staying back

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to playing that Big Ten title game
because there's greater hopes of jumping into that

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the playoff talk there. But Otis
said it, you know, he said

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it exactly right. Ohio State game, that's a measuring stick for a program.

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If you can hang with these guys, you know, you're you know,

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your programs where it should be.
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after last year's defeat. He said, we're not there yet. We got

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to get guys in here that are
there. So if you're a recruit,

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if you're a guy you know sitting
out there and want to be part of

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something great, want to be build
a legacy of up building a program and

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coming to be part of that program, to have the stories that Strayhorn just

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talks about, going and defeating number
one Ohio State in Ohio State, this

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is the program to come to to
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it's something special when you can build
a part of a program. Just like

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when coach d was here. I
was fortunate enough to be his first year

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and every time I talked to him, he say, the guys like you

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Otis. You know those guys in
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building block for building the program.
And so if you're a recruit watching you're

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coming to the game. I know
we have a lot of recruits coming out

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there on Saturday. This is something
special and you can be a part of

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Oh, well said I mean,
Jayu. This is what mel Tucker dreams

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of. He talks about building a
team that can go on the road in

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town Ohio State. That's that's a
misery stick. We know that. Obviously,

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we want to beat Michigan because that's
the robbery, that's the backyard brawl,

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that's everything, that's little brother all
that stuff, right, But if

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you want to be a factor,
a major factor in the country, then

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you've got it. The road goes
through Columbus. This is the way it

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is. They've been excellent, you
know, five and fifteen over the last

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fifty meetings against Michigan State. This
is the fifty first meeting. They've been

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very dominant. Right now, they
number one in the nation in scoring offense,

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number one in the nation in red
zone offense, just their third down

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conversions, their defense, everything is
clicking for Ohio State. Now this is

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their first time being on the road. I know the Spartan faith will are

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down because Michigan State has lost three
in a row. This is why we

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say it's so important to not give
up your seats because they will invade Spartan

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Stadium if you'll let them. So
it's important to stand behind the guys.

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And look, they average that we
just said three hundred yards over in the

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air and two hundred yards on the
ground. So they have their work cut

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out for him to be able to
stop that offensive machine that Ohio State puts

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out year after year. And the
tight end is good, even Jayu.

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I mean they got a guy,
look, oh, it's your safety.

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Why does that that talk that tight
end get down? That scene round and

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people just seem to lose them all
the time. They had a tight end

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cased over three catches over thirty yards. Yeah, and honestly, I thought

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we had two tight ends ourselves when
we just kind of stopped throwing them the

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ball. But I think it's as
a safety, the tight end is almost

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sometimes where if you have an athletic
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We talked about this about that's mismatches
for outside linebackers. If you got

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a tight end who's quick, Chris
routes, big, tall and can block

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at the same time where you know, I think with the Ohouse tight end

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cased over, you know he does
a lot of disguising where you know he

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might be blocking down and he just
releases and he's just smooth man. And

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so I think it's being and keeping
your eyes. We talk about eyes on

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your man or don't get lost in
the backfield. I think it's where you

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know you got to trust your other
players up on the mid level in the

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front front four is that dude,
they'll do their job, and I gotta

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do my job and not not not
let the team down by jumping a route

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that I shouldn't be jumping. Stay
the course. Coach Barnett says this all

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the time. Be deepest of the
deepest. If you're at the deepest of

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the deepest, you can always come
up and make the play. But if

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you bite on an r PO or
you bite on the run and it's play

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action, it's good writtens like you're
chasing. It's not going to cool school.

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So I think it's one of those
opportunities where if we just stay the

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course, stick to the game plan, trust the coach's game plan, play

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ball, do your job, I
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Talking about taking the top off the
defense, and that's that's exactly what

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you know. Michigan State wants to
stop Ohio State from doing. And speaking

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about Ohio State and the Michigan State
rivalry. We have two guests that are

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coming on the show, and Boom
and Dave Herrit from Ohio. Two brothers,

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one with Michigan State and Dave Hart
graduated those six was one of Bobby

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Williams prize recruits coming in right,
sir. And then you have a brother,

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a younger brother that went on to
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Both guys are prize of Warren G. Harding High School that just pumps out

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a ton of players. Man,
they got to play with a couple of

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them. I always hear about Warren
G. Harden So great to have Houston

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two on the show. Man,
How you guys been doing? Hey Jason,

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Hey, Otis we have company that
got to I had to break out

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the good neck list. You got
the top up in there, you know

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what I mean? How you guys
doing Man? Thanks for having his own

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Man. We really appreciate it,
Man, and and excited to talk about

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some football and what the future is
for our team and you know maybe his

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team. That's a big baby.
Man. You know they're always killing it,

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right, what's going on? Fellas
like doing? Man? Good to

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see y'all. Man Man, thanks
for coming on. Appreciate show show.

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You know it's all Man, you
know, you know, you know,

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you know he started where he first
started at truly was that Michigan State.

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Yeah, he was to be on
campus with me in the summertime. He

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would come up there in the summer
and uh, you know he would be

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with the fellas. So what happened? Others going what happened? Did Jay?

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Did? Jay? You're not treat
you right? Put them too many

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them home parties listening. I had
to make a business decision decision. We

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know, Hey, hey, great
time. I'll tell you that. How

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is that though? Like, so
you know what, how what went into

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that decision? Right? You got
a brother that's balling at east Lands and

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you're coming up there. You got
the you know, the vibe going with

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the fellas on the team, and
then here comes Ohio State with an offer

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you can't refuse. Was that a
difficult decision for you or it was just

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like, hey, bro, I
gotta make that, I gotta do this.

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Uh well, I mean I'm gonna
keep it. But you know,

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I mean honestly, it wasn't really
a hard decision, man, just in

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the direction at Ohio State, just
how they was playing, you know,

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you know, for me, you
know, I wanted to have a great

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college career and go to the next
level. And just seeing how those guys

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were, you know, putting guys
in the you know every year. You

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know what I'm saying. Just just
the tradition of the running back room there

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was just so great. And then
playing for coach Trussell was just like you

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know, being for Warren coach Trussell
Youngstown. God, it was just everything

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kind of just added up where Ohio
State was the right place for me to

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go. How about you, Dave? How was it like like the coaches

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give you greed? Like, hey
man, you couldn't eve get your brother

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here already? Know, you know, every time I walked into my meeting

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room. I was just like,
you know, I had I had my

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brother, and I also had my
cousin who played at the other school of

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the street, right Prescott Burgess.
You know, so they were definitely on

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me about getting one of them to
Michigan State. At the time, you

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know, I was he was like, I'm be real with you. I

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just uh, at the time,
we didn't know where with the future was

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going to hold, you know,
so I thought it was a better Like

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my brother said, I thought it
was a better business decision for him to

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stay home and build his reputation in
the state of Ohio. I take nothing

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away from it. I mean,
if he would have came to Michigan stay,

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I thought it would have been great
for him, you know, he

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would he would have added to to
the running running game, which we we

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all we always have had good running
backs, so I believe he would have

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been able to add to that.
But at the time and with our situation

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around four o six, as a
loving brother, I didn't want him to

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have to come into that situation.
So I told him it was best for

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him to uh go to Ohio State
and it would it would benefit him for

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life. Mm hmm. Well that
was very sless, right. I mean,

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like it's not always about just being
hey, I'm your brother, you

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gotta follow me, or you know, I'm your father or whatever it is.

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Right, Sometimes you got to look
at it for where that particular school

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is in at the time that your
your your loved one is getting ready to

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make this decision, right, And
that's a selfless decision on your part day

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to let him make that decision that
was better for him at the time because

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of what was going on in these
lands. Go ahead, ju yeah,

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see you see how straight through there
are your brother or father because he got

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some highly recruited boys there himself,
so he's going off him. I see

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that. So hey, look,
I think I think it's people don't know

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about about the hair of the family. Right. So Bishop, I mean,

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y'all come from a lineage of obviously
gospel son like church religious folks,

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right, So like talk about Bishop
man like as a father figure, Like

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obviously I met Bishop, right,
I met him. We all did,

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well, everybody you met him,
Like talk about that where you know,

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you got a father who you guys
are obviously respected, but like, how

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was his involvement in your decision?
And one you're going to Michigan State,

409
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:21.680
but also Ohio State. For me, I think that through my experience I

410
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.960
was able to help them with making
that decision. As far as me going

411
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:32.119
through college already and playing in the
big team, playing against all those major

412
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:37.240
programs, playing against Ohio State,
I felt that at the time I could

413
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:44.359
just give my family just my point
of view on where it would be better.

414
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.759
It would be better for him,
you know, I think that,

415
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.839
you know, I feel if I
was maybe from Michigan, you know,

416
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:59.079
it would it would be a different
It would be different, I think it

417
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:00.119
would be. It would be just
a little different. You know, I'm

418
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.039
Ohio boy, but I do live
here now. But I just think it's

419
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.839
just that that connection that you have
when you stay in state is just a

420
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:15.720
little bit more solid I can,
if I can use the word. And

421
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:22.839
you know, we get many players
from different different different states, different cities,

422
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.880
and they come and play in East
Lands and they go to Columbus all

423
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.440
over the place. And but at
the time, like I said before,

424
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.839
I just I believe that it was
it was just so so important that he

425
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:42.079
stayed home and you know, just
just build building, building his career in

426
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:46.759
Ohio State. So yeah, hopefully. I answered that, Yeah, so,

427
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:52.599
Dave, really, because you can't. You can't gloss over the fact

428
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.759
you came to Michigan State. You
balled out at Michigan State. You are

429
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.960
a hard nosed football player, hard
hitter. You had that old school mentality.

430
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.880
I used to hate seeing you lined
up in the linebacker position in inside

431
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:10.799
run drops. I used to hate
that you are hitting. You talk about

432
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.880
it. It wasn't It wasn't the
funnest thing. I mean, you were

433
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:25.799
about two thirty five to forty maybe
so, and you and you already know

434
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.519
the mentality that our coaches were trying
to set. You know, we were

435
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:37.559
inside. We were inside run for
I believe to two days out of the

436
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.359
week. I think sometimes teams just
might do inside one run during the season,

437
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.960
just once a week. So you
just get that good pop, you

438
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.200
know what I mean, to get
you to get you ready for that that

439
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:55.880
week. We were banging problem.
We were banging every day. You were

440
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.359
every single day. It's true.
I don't know if you guys, I'm

441
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:06.559
sure you're I'm sure you remember this. But when we play on Saturday.

442
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.639
We used to go in on Sundays
and have full path practice and we used

443
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:16.920
to go at it. It wasn't
no, it was we were hitting.

444
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.760
We were hitting, and then we
would go from Sunday maybe, and we'll

445
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:24.599
get Monday off. Then we'll go
to Tuesday and we'll go straight into inside

446
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:30.320
run the first period, okay,
And then I got I got jay U

447
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:37.760
back there, Then we got we
got Javon Ringer back there. You know,

448
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:44.400
you know what you know he put
up at full back. Who oh,

449
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:49.920
man, I forgot his day.
I'm sorry, but he was big,

450
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.320
you know what I mean. So
after I and I believe that he

451
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:59.800
was just trying to they were trying
to build a strong and a mentality like

452
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.280
we were just they wanted us hitting, you know, and they wanted they

453
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:07.360
just they were trying to build the
program of toughness. But I feel like

454
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.199
it might have backfired a little bit
because you know, too much hitting sometimes

455
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.360
can can cannot be as well,
you know, especially late in the season.

456
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.760
I shouldn't be hitting j U.
Call Creek. We eight. We're

457
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:30.519
both starters, just like either And
it's not Jays running the ball hard now

458
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:37.960
we all know, yeah, because
I'm going now, you know, James

459
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.920
coming downhill. And then you got
a big old fullback coming downhill in front

460
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.079
of him. So it's just you
know, you're gonna you're gonna, you're

461
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:50.239
gonna, you're gonna think you're gonna
swim. So I was choosing I'm gonna

462
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.440
swim, even though I might have
not shouldn't be hitting. I mean,

463
00:35:54.519 --> 00:36:00.280
it was the mentality. But I
uh, we definitely prepared very, very

464
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:01.719
hard during those weeks, and it
was it was a lot of hitting,

465
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.239
I tell you that right now,
and oldis you You already know they used

466
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.320
to bring you down there and inside
run. Yeah. I hated it.

467
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.639
I hated it coming down there and
come down there and field, but it

468
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.960
did. It did training to be
a warrior though, because I was like,

469
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.960
either I take these ls and uh
in practice, but in game days

470
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.599
like I'm bringing that thump. But
I think boom boom. They was doing

471
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:30.000
pro style before we even thought about
it was only you know what I mean,

472
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.320
they come to the game fresh,
were coming to the game limping,

473
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:40.119
you know. Unfortunately, we would
come I mean I remember one one.

474
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:44.280
I don't know who we were playing. I think I think it was Illinois.

475
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.400
I think I woke up one morning
and it was game day and my

476
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:53.280
ankle I did not move my ankle. I went through the walk through everything,

477
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.280
if everything was fine. The next
morning I woke up, I stepped

478
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.360
off the off the bed and I
could not put them a weight on my

479
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.440
foot, and I'm just like,
man, what did I do? It

480
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.840
must have been something that happened during
the week, you know what I mean.

481
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.039
So, like you said, some
guys were not pro style, type

482
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:19.280
of uh off type of team and
and some guys were just just banging because

483
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.840
we were trying to just always set
the record straight, just always set the

484
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.440
record. This was the John L. Smith era. And that's that's a

485
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:30.719
good point to say. Jay.
You you know, uh, I don't

486
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.360
want to say I'm gonna say nothing
bad about nobody. I'm not gonna say

487
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:37.719
nothing bad about our team, but
you know that the error was, it

488
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:44.280
was tough. It was John L. Smith had better talent than coach d

489
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.800
had. The yeah that won the
Rose Bowl. I believe I agree with

490
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.960
that. I believe that everybody on
our defense they had a shot in the

491
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:58.079
NFL. They had they had a
chance to to get their foot in the

492
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.719
door. And I think that if
you if you even get your chance to

493
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:06.039
put your foot in the door,
that's that's that's that speaks volume. It's

494
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.079
so hard to get to the NFL. I mean, I mean, it's

495
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.960
it's you can be a starter for
four years and you can ball out and

496
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.519
it's just one person liking you and
another person not liking you, and it's

497
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.440
it's it's that. It's it's that
small on my margin that you you can

498
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:28.440
get there. So I commend everybody
who got to make it. I commend

499
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.559
even the guys who didn't make it, because just because they didn't make it,

500
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.679
I don't mean they couldn't have played. It's just their opportunity, right,

501
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.280
and so so on that as you
talk about like the John L.

502
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.559
Smith there, I played in the
Nick Saving era and we were banging like

503
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.159
crazy too. That was it was
ridiculous, right. But you know,

504
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:51.239
talking to Nick now and seeing how
he runs this program, he's changed,

505
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.639
man, I don't know if it's
softening up or evolving whatever it is he

506
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:59.800
runs the game change though, you
know this game has changed. It speaks

507
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.239
of that bright So the game has
changed. Right, Let's go back to

508
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.239
your days playing days at Ohio State. Okay, you were involved in some

509
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.599
of that whatever that the scandals crap
they suspended you for I don't know,

510
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.400
some tattoos or something like you in
too real with them. Something was going

511
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:17.440
on. I mean, I mean
it was a lot of stuff, you

512
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:23.840
know, a lot of stuff they
talk about that like, So you went

513
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:28.800
through that pain right as a player
at Ohio State and then now looking at

514
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.920
what today is with nil right where
it's basically the wild wild West. As

515
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.559
long as you disclose that you're getting
paid for whatever reason, then everything's okay.

516
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.320
So how do you feel as a
person who was penalized right as a

517
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:49.039
player in college now seeing guys,
hey, it's free, Willie. Honestly,

518
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:51.840
how do I feel? It's plenty? A lot of people ask men

519
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:57.400
like, I'm very happy for the
players. I'm happy that they they they've

520
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.079
changed the rules, man, because
guys deserve it. I mean, when

521
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:06.239
you when you're bringing millions of dollars
to the university, a lot of people

522
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.239
don't even know, like the football
team is paying for most of all the

523
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.199
sports, you know, all the
facilities, all the all the buildings that's

524
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.599
going up, all the construction that
you're seeing, that's from the guys that

525
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.800
that's putting the work in on the
field. So you know, I'm very

526
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.760
happy to see guys, you know, have an opportunity to you know,

527
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:27.880
make make money off their names,
you know, make money off what they're

528
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.800
doing, you know, because you
know, for a guy like myself who

529
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:35.679
got in trouble for it, I
mean, it's just crazy. I mean,

530
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:40.159
it's it's to think to think that
you know, what we were doing

531
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.599
now is like guys get basically praised
for it. You know what I'm saying,

532
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.920
you cant paid for it. So
it's like it's tough, you know,

533
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.840
I said. I mean, I'm
happy for the guys who, like

534
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.920
I said, they're going to make
money now. But am I mad?

535
00:40:55.480 --> 00:41:00.000
Of course. I mean I feel
a certain type of way I could have

536
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.079
got made, made I mat a
lot of money. I'm mad for him.

537
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:09.880
The thing too, is I'll jump
in here too, like you pissed

538
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.360
off about the fact that you know
the money side of things in college,

539
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:17.679
But I think too, you had
an opportunity. You hadn't missed six games

540
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.360
your senior year, and also to
show to your character and your work ethic,

541
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.400
you hadn't missed that sixth game.
You were still voted team captain by

542
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.360
your peers. That's that, says
something. You all right, But the

543
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:31.760
thing is, so you missed six
games, you played in six other and

544
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.400
you still had some yards, but
that took away from you know, your

545
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.159
draft position. You know, you
know we missed that. You're putting you're

546
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:44.000
not putting film out there those six
games. Yeah, I mean not even

547
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.960
just the It kind of turnures my
character too. It made me look like

548
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.119
I was a bad guy who didn't
right there about the program. You know,

549
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.280
it's it's so much that you know
a lot of people don't know that

550
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.639
y'all gonna hear about pretty soon,
you know, but stuff happened, and

551
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.440
you know, you go through that
process and like you said, you heard

552
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.360
your draft status. You know,
you missed games, you get stats taken

553
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:13.960
away. It's all type of stuff
that happened. But you know, at

554
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.639
the end of the day, you
know we moved forward. You know,

555
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.840
it's like it's like it happened.
But then you know the next year they

556
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:28.239
go, they go undefeated, and
I can't playing a ball game, you

557
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.320
know, right the year that we
get suspended. We played in the Bowl

558
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:36.440
game when we were suspended us.
It gets deep, bro, But like

559
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.280
I I said, we ain't gonna
go too deep. In so Okay.

560
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:43.519
You you said earlier you went to
Ohio State. It was in home state.

561
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.519
Coach Trussell had you know, a
big part of that And with this

562
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.079
is coach Trussell was suspended one game
and then he went and said, Hey,

563
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.280
I want to be suspended the same
amount of games with my players.

564
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.840
How did that make you feel?
And what's your relationship like with coach Trussell?

565
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.440
Oh, trust is my guy.
I mean been to this day,

566
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:06.159
like we were still tight and we
kind of I mean, we talk about

567
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.320
the situation now. It's just like
we're all just like, Wow, it's

568
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:13.400
crazy that now guys, you know, they getting the bag now, you

569
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.480
know what I'm saying. You know
they're getting praised for it, and you

570
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:19.840
know it's almost like, you know, I would say there were guys who

571
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.559
got in trouble before us, but
I feel like we had a mark,

572
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.920
Like we had one of the biggest
stories when it came to like the suspension

573
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.239
stuff. You know what I'm saying, like breaking off because you know what

574
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:36.119
it was, it was so big
because at the time that's when like social

575
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:39.159
media started taking off. You know
what I'm saying. You have Twitter and

576
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.679
Instagram and all that stuff like it
was. It was stuff that happened way

577
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.679
worse than what we did back in
the day, but it just never really

578
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.159
came out because you didn't have all
the social media and all that stuff.

579
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.039
So I don't need to cut you
off. But for the record, it's

580
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.719
crazy, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't cut in.

581
00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.400
But he went through this, but
we, my whole family went as

582
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:08.119
well. The n c a A
is we're very very The investigation was like,

583
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:15.239
yeah, so so they were.
They tapped into our family. They

584
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:21.039
tapped. It touched just not only
Boom, but it touched us all in

585
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.840
a certain way, and it was
so devastating. That not devastating, but

586
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.599
it was. It was just it
was just it was tough, it was

587
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.519
hard, and this happened. He
he might not talk about more than I

588
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:37.039
do, but this happened. Is
with the situation that happened as freshman year.

589
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:42.719
This didn't come out into his senior
year. So all those years that

590
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:45.119
they could have they could have they
could have handled it. I feel like

591
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:51.440
they if I think if they would
have handled it correctly, all the suspensions

592
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.119
wouldn't have been as as as as
large you had I think it was what

593
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.880
six players or five players? Man, it was you had a few like

594
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:05.320
so you had five guys who had
got Originally it was five games. So

595
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.719
I got suspended twice. Actually some
guys got suspended. A couple of us

596
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:15.000
got suspended twice, but for the
most it was five guys we got.

597
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:21.400
Originally the original was five games.
I ended up getting six games. Posy

598
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:27.039
gat nine games twelve prior and they
lost the season. White wipe the botty

599
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.199
here, you know. So that
was another thing. You know, I

600
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:34.639
come back, I played the next
six games, and I'm playing with even

601
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.280
though my boy was a dog,
braxim really a fresh he a true freshman.

602
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.800
You know what I'm saying, Hey, that we get a new like

603
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.079
you know, uh Ficko becomes the
you know, the interim head coach.

604
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.159
Like that year was just crazy,
man, Like it's crazy because I never

605
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:58.559
had the chance to play against Michigan
State. Mm hm. You know,

606
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:00.679
you know I was looking forward to
you know, I want my brother to

607
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:08.599
get off, but I didn't want
to win. I'm a spartan dog all

608
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.119
the way. You know, I
would love for him to get off,

609
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.599
but not too much where you win
the game. So let's let's talk about

610
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:19.920
that so in house rivalry, right, Like so when we do play every

611
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.800
year, like tell us about what
goes on, Like are y'all are y'all

612
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:29.679
talking cash money? Are we're talking
like brotherly wa? Or like we are

613
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:31.360
here talking like y'all don't talk to
each other? Like it's like that team

614
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.800
that rolled or up north? Like
how we doing it? But Jason,

615
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.400
you might not know me as good
as the otis and Jau, I know

616
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.679
you know me. I know you. I played with jay U, I

617
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:52.039
played with Otis. What do you
think? What about? What do you

618
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:58.920
think? Like? Yeah, we
talked stupid questions as we know what we

619
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.880
got into one. I think we
had one heated argument at my parents house.

620
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.360
That's what I want to know.
We want to know that my parents.

621
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:13.199
My dad came downstairs like what's going
on. I'm like, I'm like

622
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.519
that, calm down. We were
not like mad at each other. We're

623
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:20.400
just the competitiveness in us was coming
out, you know what I mean.

624
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:22.639
We were going back and forth.
And I think that's that's the year.

625
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:32.199
I believe Michigan State beat Ohio State. I think we need it at home.

626
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:38.199
That was the field goal. Kid
you know, you know, I

627
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:49.519
was talking, Hey, we have
finally got a That wing was so important,

628
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:53.239
that wing was so big, and
I was just just smiling from from

629
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:58.800
ear to ear man that what we
went through when we played Ohio State was

630
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:04.960
was what's terrible? We were up. We were playing in Columbus. About

631
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:07.639
we were playing in Columbus. We
were rocking on defense, you know,

632
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:14.719
on defense, I played I think
it was forty eight snaps. You and

633
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.639
you play forty eight snaps on defense, you're supposed to win the game.

634
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.440
You're supposed to win. Yeah,
you're not. You're not on the field,

635
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.039
you know what I mean. And
their offense is not on the field.

636
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:27.960
We were going three and out and
just that momentum is crazy. Once

637
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:31.039
that field goal was blocked, it
was all down here from there from there.

638
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.400
So, I mean, it's so
important that, you know, having

639
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:42.519
that that family. I won't call
it a rivalry, but just going back

640
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.440
in competitiveness, you know, we've
always been competitive as as even as younger

641
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.440
younger kids. I'm I'm five years
older than them, but he was always

642
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.519
with me, so he was always
with my friends, and he was always

643
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:59.239
with older guys. So he all
he had to be competitive. He had

644
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.320
to. He had the level up
and be able to hang with us.

645
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.840
So and I wasn't giving him no
slot. So you know, I was

646
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:12.800
a big bro and I'm still I
still am big bro. I mean growing

647
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.920
up. You know, if you
want to hang with me, then you

648
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.719
you better you better come. Correct, Let's talk about that a little bit,

649
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.000
so that you spent I mean,
what six years in the league?

650
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.719
Five or six years? It was
four four? Okay, well yeah it

651
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.719
was four years. I went into
my fifth year and got released and it's

652
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:37.440
going into my fifth year. I
was, I'll tell you I was.

653
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.599
I was. I wanted to stay
in the league because I wanted to play

654
00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.079
against my brother or play with him
more play with him than play against him.

655
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:50.199
So my my goal was you know, I didn't get to play against

656
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.639
him in college, of course because
because of the age difference, but I

657
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.719
knew that I would have a chance
to maybe play against him in in the

658
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.840
NFL. But it didn't work out. But maybe it was a maybe it

659
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:02.159
was a good thing because I didn't
I don't want to have to put him

660
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:09.079
down like that. So I got
for the running backs on here. Now,

661
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.719
So okay, do that easy?
There? You are. You already

662
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:20.679
know, but I know too those
because then you come down here and you

663
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:28.079
gave me, you gave me many
headaches and that inside inside period. So

664
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.960
boom boom. So you're looking up
to your big brother he's in the league.

665
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:35.039
Did that help you give your leg
up when it was time for you

666
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.360
to get to the NFL level and
play because you knew what big bro went

667
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:45.639
through? Oh? Absolutely, I
mean it ain't even just it started back

668
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.320
from when I was in middle school. Man, Like like you said,

669
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.960
we come from a rich football uh
town, you know, Warren g.

670
00:50:55.119 --> 00:51:01.960
Hardy and like just watching you know, my brother Marius correct, you know,

671
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.440
just to name just those two.
You know, I used to be

672
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:07.880
a water boy for these guys.
So I used to go to all their

673
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.880
practices and just to see watch them
work. Man. It was just like,

674
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.719
man like, this is what I
want to do. Like I gotta

675
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:20.199
be doing what they doing, you
know. So and then like you said,

676
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.440
just having him in the league at
the time when I was playing,

677
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.920
you know, just to be able
to just like ask questions and just you

678
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.000
know, know what the grind is
like. You know, obviously, once

679
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.960
I got my own position, you
know, I knew, like all right,

680
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:37.519
just what it's like, just what
it's gonna take to get there,

681
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.079
you know what I'm saying. And
then obviously going to Ohio State, you

682
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:45.639
know, and you've seen pretty much
every guy that's before you go to the

683
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.880
league. I mean, it's just
like I knew what to do to get

684
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.199
there, you know. So it
made it easier though, cause you know,

685
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.960
like I said, you know,
looking up to him, seeing him

686
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.119
you know, grind, grind food
and make it and just having good people

687
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.480
around me. I mean, I
was very fortunate and very blessed man.

688
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:12.400
And you know, all praise to
the man upstairs, you know. Man,

689
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.920
So go ahead, I want to
go. Let's jump to the league.

690
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.639
Both of you guys played in the
league there. Uh, Dave you

691
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.480
are in Minnesota. Boom, you
were with the Colts, and you know,

692
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:25.880
I gotta I gotta give a shout
out. You had a little stint

693
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:30.639
there, uh with the with the
Buffalo Bills there, Gott you know,

694
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.320
yeah it was mafia, you know. Oh yeah, you already know.

695
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.519
Great. Great. I got love
with Buffalo, man, Yeah, Buffalo

696
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.440
got love for you. Buffalo got
love for all the players for sure.

697
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:45.039
So what do you got to the
league. Now you have a little change.

698
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:55.639
Now boom, you had changing on
High State. But you got what's

699
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:04.719
the first big purchase for him or
me? Both of you. I gotta

700
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.840
go fir, I'll go all right, So all ready for this one.

701
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.840
Okay, let men get you right. So we'll go back to my dad.

702
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.400
Okay, my dad is even though
he's a bishop, he also is

703
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:23.559
an entrepreneur. Growing up, he
also had houses where he would buy and

704
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:28.039
he would buy and flip them and
he would sell them. My dad one

705
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.280
time bought a house for ten dollars
and turned around and sorda for ten grand.

706
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:37.440
So he when I seen him doing
things like that, he of course

707
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.360
would tell me something, you gotta
get some property. You gotta get some

708
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:45.800
property. So what I did was
this wasn't my first year, of course

709
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:50.639
I was, you know, I
was young. So I would say my

710
00:53:51.079 --> 00:54:00.239
first thing that I bought was a
Champagne color hummer and I just I just

711
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.800
you know it was it was pull
up a lot and it just call my

712
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:16.079
name. So this is a crazy
story about this. I don't want to

713
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.519
hold us up, but you can't
tell my story about this. How much

714
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.000
time we get you good? You
good. All right, we might be

715
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.519
allry for a little bit about you
coming on that after y'all, but yeah,

716
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:32.159
we're good. Okay. So champagne
hummer that I got. So I

717
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:38.400
was in Minnesota through through Mini camp, through O t as ot As Mini

718
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:45.000
camp, preseason camp, went through
the preseason with with Minnesota. Right,

719
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:52.840
so I'm going They kept on telling
me all thirty two teams can can are

720
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.599
looking at you. They kept on
saying that to us, they said,

721
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.800
they said, it don't matter what
you do, just understand you get on

722
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:05.239
that field, you are auditioning for
all thirty two teams. And I guess

723
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:12.119
it must have stuck with me.
So my rookie year, Minnesota decided to

724
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.719
put me on practice squad. And
you know when you gotta go on the

725
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.280
practice squad, they got to put
you on waivers. So when they put

726
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:22.559
me on waivers, New England claimed
me. So I'm sitting in my hotel

727
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.519
room thinking I'm about I'm about to
go to Minnesota and signed my practice squad

728
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:30.519
papers and my agent calls me and
said, says Bill Belichick on you know

729
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.920
he's he's on another other line.
They just claimed you. And I'm like,

730
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.800
what do you mean, I didn't
even know that New England was even

731
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.719
looking at me. I had no
idea that they had any eye on me.

732
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:47.360
So I made the active roster my
rookie year in New England. So

733
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.880
as soon as I pulled to England, it was a It was a car

734
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:57.400
dealership across the street from the stadium, right, Like why you know,

735
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.280
I mean smart, smart for the
car dealership, right. So I go

736
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:05.679
through the garden and I pull up
and it's just this this champagne colored hummer

737
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:08.039
and I'm like, man, that
thing is this? This is calling me?

738
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:14.159
Right, So after two weeks in
New England, two weeks in New

739
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.719
England, they decided to cout me
on practice squad. Then Minnesota claimed me

740
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:23.480
back. So then I went back
to Minnesota and spent the next three years

741
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:30.400
there. But I knew I didn't
forget that hummer. So I called the

742
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:34.519
guy in Foxborough and I said,
I need you to ship meet his hummer.

743
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:37.760
Right, So I was like,
I gotta have this hummer. And

744
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.880
I probably could have got a hummer
from somewhere else, I'm pretty sure,

745
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.880
but at the time I think hummers
might have been big. It was two

746
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:50.480
thousand and six. Yeah, ummer
was kind of kind of but they are

747
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.519
bad and bad. They're bad too. Yeah. So yeah, so that's

748
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:58.360
how I ended up with my with
my my age my age two hummer.

749
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:04.360
You know. It was I got
a ship from Foxboro to eaton Prede,

750
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.199
Minnesota man and that and I head
onto that thing for a while until until

751
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:14.519
I upgraded. But that was my
first big spin. But I'm all kind

752
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:15.880
of all over places. But my
dad told me to buy a house,

753
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.719
and I bought a house and I
flipped it and made money off of it.

754
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:22.400
But that was that was. That
was my first big purchase. Sorry,

755
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:27.039
that was that was a little mong
one died. But what was your

756
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:35.599
big first purchase? So I ain't
even do nothing crazy, to be honest

757
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.559
with you. I actually the car
that I had in college, but I

758
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:43.880
ended up just getting some. Uh, I put some I had a charger

759
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.280
at the time. I had a
charger. I threw some furs on there.

760
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.440
There's some fours on my my charge. I gotta I gotta wrap Matt

761
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:59.079
black and uh. That was like
my that was my first major major purchase.

762
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:04.039
After that, I was I was
chilling. He had the fastest slowest

763
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:10.360
car ever. It looked fast.
It looks it looked fast, but you

764
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:19.320
put that way. I teased him
to this day about that car man.

765
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.840
Yeah he had he had the two
exhaust pipes, only only one had the

766
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:34.079
real exhaust. I didn't even have
it. I think. I think for

767
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.559
me being in the NFL for for
a few years, I also was trying

768
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.920
to give him some information about how
to just be smart with your money and

769
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.280
make sure that you don't just just
blow it all on stupid stuff. So

770
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:51.559
I think that, uh, I
don't think that helped out. And I'm

771
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.079
hoping. I'm hoping that I was
a good example. I mean, life

772
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.360
was pretty good in college. Like
I say, so, once I got

773
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.679
to the league, it was like, you know, you took a pay

774
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:07.199
cut. It's funny that you said
that, because as soon as I got

775
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:14.519
to Cincinnati, better facilities. It's
crazy. Uh So, before we let

776
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:19.360
you guys jump off, real question, what's what's the keys to beating Ohio

777
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:25.360
State this weekend? Dave? It
starts up fronts and I've been watching for

778
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:30.239
the past couple of weeks. I
think that our offensive line and our defensive

779
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:36.000
line they need to get a little
bit more active and just in my opinion,

780
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.719
I see guys getting blown off the
ball and you know, backed up.

781
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:45.039
We're running the ball and we're getting
we're getting stood up as as office

782
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:51.440
a lineman. We watched I watched
the Washington game and I don't remember seeing

783
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:57.400
a sack. So I did attend
the Actor game and they were active.

784
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.639
They were getting after the quarterback.
I think one guy get his name,

785
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:06.840
but he had for yeah, yeah, he had for It's time to ask,

786
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.000
It's time to bring that that noise
this weekend. You know, if

787
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.639
you if you really want to to
turn the season around, this is the

788
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.880
perfect weekend to do it. You
want to do it against the top ranked

789
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:21.400
team and you want you want this
is the time to shine. When when

790
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:23.880
I was playing, I knew that
when we played Ohio State, when we

791
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:30.960
played Michigan, we played Penn State, those those top teams. Back when

792
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:36.000
I was playing Notre Dame, that's
time to show up because and if you

793
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.920
want to play at the next level, you want to show up in those

794
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:44.719
games. Games. Those are where
the recruiter the scouts are going to be

795
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.400
of those games, They're gonna be
looking at both teams, and you need

796
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:52.400
to put yourself apart from everybody else. So for me, that was that

797
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:58.440
was coming up playing. I just
knew these are money games. If you

798
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.440
think about it, You're not getting
the money now, but in the future,

799
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.639
this is where you make your money. If you ball against Ohio State,

800
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.400
if you ball against Michigan, if
you ball against Notre Dame, you

801
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:12.280
you're going against some recognition. They're
going to see you, right. So

802
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:23.519
yeah, yeah, what's the key
to beating Ohio State? Man, the

803
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:30.000
key to beating Ohio State? I
couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you

804
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:34.000
when you so, what do you
think? How do you how do you

805
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:44.920
think the game is gonna go?
From your perspective, from my perspective speaking

806
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:52.800
hard speaking, that's what you say, you know, in my opinion,

807
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:57.679
I think I think, uh,
I don't even know if is playing this

808
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:05.039
week, but I know you didn't
play last week. But he he he

809
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:10.039
definitely want you gotta worry about.
But that mine whims Hey Jay, Hugh,

810
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.239
that that's you. You know what
I'm saying, like like he coming

811
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:19.760
downhill, you know what I'm saying. And then like, honestly, bro,

812
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.039
they got so much, they got
so much, they got so much

813
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:30.840
talent. I think I think I
think Ohio State just figuring out, Like

814
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:35.039
you know, when you have so
many guys, it takes time to like

815
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.199
figure out who who plays what part, you know what I'm saying, Like,

816
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:45.039
you know, but like for a
game like this, bro, like

817
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:49.440
that's a guy that played at a
house that you always know like this is

818
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.000
this is like a setup game,
you know what I'm saying. Like everybody

819
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:57.199
got us circle on their schedule,
like we targeted every week, so we

820
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.639
have to play like we gotta play
our best game every week because we know

821
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:05.280
we're gonna get everybody's best shot.
So it's like, you know, this

822
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.639
week, we know it's always a
dog fight with Michigan State. I mean

823
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:15.679
obviously in the last couple of years
it's been you know, but uh,

824
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:19.480
it's gonna be a fight, man. I mean, anytime you play any

825
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.800
game in the big team, it's
gonna be a dog fight. And you

826
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:29.840
know, and I can honestly say, as a guy that played our house

827
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:34.639
State, we we expect to win
every game in the big team. No

828
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.760
disrespect, but we expect like we're
supposed to run through the big team.

829
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.880
You're supposed to you're supposed to win
the big team championship every year you're going

830
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.840
to the playoffs and we're gonna see
whoever we're gonna see when we get there.

831
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:52.599
That's just our that's just our mindset
because we like that. I'm sorry,

832
01:03:54.840 --> 01:04:00.960
we disrespect you know what I'm saying. That's that's just the mental that

833
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:05.039
that they built in us. Man, Like we're the best team, you

834
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:11.119
know, uh far as the big
team, Like you gotta come see us,

835
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:15.440
you know, because we the big
dogs. So but we know it's

836
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:19.280
gonna be a fight every week,
so we gotta you gotta be prepared,

837
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:23.039
you know what I'm saying. You
know, y'all was banging. Y'all was

838
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:26.079
banging. We watched a lot of
film. You know what I'm saying.

839
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:32.880
Trust Trust, Trust was big on
assignments. Uh you know this might sound

840
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:38.320
crazy, y'all, but trust say
most important playing football is the punt.

841
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:42.639
We used to be like what you
know what I'm saying. But if if

842
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:45.800
if you understand how a block punt, how how big of a change that

843
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:49.599
can make in the game, or
somebody returning the point for a touchdown,

844
01:04:50.960 --> 01:04:57.000
you start thinking about you, you
know what, right moment momentum swing like

845
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:01.199
like like a mug. But I'm
looking forward to you know, a great

846
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:12.719
game. Are we doing sport predictions
or what? Yeah? Go ahead,

847
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:16.760
be b mean A mean. IM
want to ask y'all. I'm gonna ask

848
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.519
y'all, like, I mean,
how do y'all see this game going?

849
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:29.760
Don't freeze up now? I'm just
asking. It's all about who is the

850
01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:32.000
coin toss I want to hear from. I want to hear from LG.

851
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:43.719
Straight is the only one who beat
Yeah, like Ohio comes in definitely with

852
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.000
way more talent. They're on the
roll and number one in all kinds of

853
01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:51.320
categories nationwide offensively especially. You know, for for Michigan State to have a

854
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.360
chance in this game, they got
to take the ball away. They gotta

855
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:59.760
be way up in the turnover margin. They're gonna have to play the best

856
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:05.039
players at every position for the duration
of the game. I can say that

857
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.239
very I don't know if I can
say them any clear. The best players

858
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:13.920
need to play the game in their
positions for the duration of the game.

859
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:16.159
And you know, the crowd needs
to be into it too. You know,

860
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:20.039
you got to make this an intimidating
place to play right now. You

861
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:24.440
know we're trying to get tickets away. People aren't really giving trying to get

862
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:28.039
the tickets. So that that's concerning
to me. If if if Ohaio say

863
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:32.119
Buckette fans, this is their first
road trip, they in there. Yeah,

864
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:39.400
see that right there. The logically
will mess with the Spartan players.

865
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:44.239
But if if Michigan State shows up, they rally. You know, from

866
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:46.440
what I understand, the players that
practice are still have a great attitude,

867
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:50.400
you know, so they haven't broken
down just yet. And and those guys

868
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:54.599
on the locker room on both sides
of the ball expect to win, right

869
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.079
every player thinks that, man,
we can beat these guys. They have

870
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.920
a chance. But you know,
obviously, if everything is all things being

871
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:05.519
equal, Ohio State will win the
game. But there's a way a path

872
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:09.519
for Michigan State to win it.
And again it's gonna have to be well

873
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.159
take care of the football on the
offensive side of the ball and taking it

874
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:15.559
away on the defense side of the
ball and creating more opportunities to score,

875
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.519
and just being a hell of a
day against c. J. Stroud and

876
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:23.920
trying to confuse him and not let
him be make all kinds of Highsman Trophy

877
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:29.320
highlights on the Sparklands. So that's
what it is. I got mad love

878
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:33.840
for tuck Man, you know,
him being a Cleveland guy, you know,

879
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:40.760
coming from Ohio State. You know, you know, I think Michigan

880
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:45.119
State is definitely I mean, obviously
y're having a rough year this year.

881
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:47.119
I don't want to say rough.
I think we're just starting off slow.

882
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:53.559
But I think he gonna put y'all
in the right position and get the guys

883
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:56.000
in there that need to be in
there, man, Because the one thing

884
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.400
I know for sure, he's a
hell of a recruiter, the hell of

885
01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:01.960
a coach. I mean, just
be patient. I know everybody went winning

886
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:06.000
right now, but but y'all definitely
got a good one over there for sure.

887
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:12.039
Marathon marathon. Yeah, man,
well said man, I appreciate it.

888
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.480
I'm not gonna put Oders and Jay
you on the spot, you know,

889
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.199
all right, Hey, well,
I'm looking forward to seeing you guys

890
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:24.119
at the game. Yeah yeah,
I'm looking forward to as well. Man.

891
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.479
Yeah, I'm you know, you
know, I got I got mad

892
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:30.359
love for for Michigan State. Man. I mean, I feel like I

893
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:33.119
started at Michigan State, you know, with y'all, I feel like I

894
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:35.960
grew up at Michigan State, you
know, to start it off, so

895
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:41.159
I appreciate y'all man, all the
love y'all showed me and you know,

896
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.840
helped me, and you know it's
all love, bro, I love man.

897
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.720
I appreciate y'all man taking the time
out. I appreciate it. And

898
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.920
thanks for having a song man,
I really appreciate it. It was It

899
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:57.119
was great talking to all three of
you and sharing the scream with my brother.

900
01:08:58.119 --> 01:09:02.479
It's awesome. Yeah, but all
right, good bucks. All right,

901
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.960
guys, I talked to you soon. Wow, that's a fun times

902
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:18.119
fun, fun fun. That was
great man talking to those two guys man,

903
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:24.920
you know, catching up and get
interesting perspectives from boom on like how

904
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:30.319
his time in Ohio State was and
how he was able to battle through the

905
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.720
criticism the character assassination for getting paid
man and now guy's getting paid. That

906
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:38.800
was one of the takeaways from me. That was like eye opening. But

907
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:43.000
really the love that you can see
between the two, the brother they love

908
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:47.960
man, that was beautiful, right, definitely, definitely I think the all

909
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:50.840
you know, the one thing that
you know, we played with Dave Man,

910
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:56.399
and I mean Dave taught me a
lot from a standpoint of how to

911
01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:59.000
cone win it. Every time you
get on the field, right, Like

912
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:02.239
every time you start up, it's
a privilege to be out there wearing the

913
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.960
green and white, kind of having
that spartan dog mentality where you know,

914
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:10.840
as a young freshman pup, you
know, I'm playing and uh, you

915
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.960
know, he's coaching me up on
stuff of like on the defense of what

916
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.039
to look at on offense. And
you know, you can see that that

917
01:10:16.159 --> 01:10:19.560
he's a leader, and you can
see how he obviously has led his younger

918
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:24.199
brother into what he is today.
Man. So I'm glad we had those

919
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:27.600
guys on man because it you know, we saw reviews, we saw our

920
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:31.359
followers talk about how transparent and how
real we are on this podcast. Man.

921
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:42.720
That's why I love being a part
of his crew. Man. You know,