1 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,039 Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were Wrong with Molly Hemingway 2 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,839 and David Harsani. Just a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, 3 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,839 please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We love to 4 00:00:27,879 --> 00:00:32,079 hear from you. Molly, did you hear about this reporter at New York 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:38,759 Magazine who handed fifty thousand dollars in cash to some stranger who claimed to be 6 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,359 with the CIA in front of her home? I forget if it was Brooklyn 7 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,719 or Manhattan, then just dropped it into their car and let them drive away 8 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:53,479 with it. I did I read that story. What makes that story quite 9 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:59,280 interesting and funny is that it was the financial advice columnist for the New York 10 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:04,159 mag And I don't want to make too much listen first, I just want 11 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,799 to actually preface this by saying, I am pretty skeptical that that story's true. 12 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:11,159 Do you do you have? Are you skeptical at all? It seemed 13 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,760 so. I know that scams happen all the time, but that particular scam 14 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,400 seemed to be setting off alarm bells for anyone who's reading about it in like 15 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:25,719 ten different places, and that it didn't for her, and that someone she 16 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:29,079 didn't know managed to get her to like lie to her husband and you know, 17 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,959 go to a bank and get fifty thousand dollars cash. It was very 18 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,760 hard for me to believe. So I'm open to the idea that maybe this 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,519 is a cover story for how she lost you know, fifty thousand dollars or 20 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:45,159 something. But I don't. I don't know, I really don't. Are 21 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,920 we maybe overestimating how smart people in the media are. It's what I'm thinking 22 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:55,079 here, by trying to rationalize what she did, if we can just first 23 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:59,879 point out that scams happen, and they keep happening because they work, right, 24 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:05,239 I mean, I know people who I do not consider to be not 25 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,919 bright who have almost fallen for the scam where someone calls and claims they're a 26 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,199 family member who's been injured in a car accident and they need money at the 27 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,039 hospital. You know. My next door neighbor, her son tells me that 28 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,560 she's kind of falling for scams all the time, although she's older and very 29 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,680 vulnerable to them. So I understand that they were They happen because they work, 30 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,280 So I don't want to make light of the fact that they do work. 31 00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:35,280 I think it's probably very embarrassing to have it happen. But this particular 32 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:39,120 one, the CIA told her to pull out money to protect her money from 33 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:44,560 an identity theft ring that they had just told her about, just seems like 34 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:50,199 there were ten steps along the way where she didn't do good journalism. In 35 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,560 response, I mean, yes, maybe that's because journalists don't do journalism anymore. 36 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:59,719 Yeah, I don't want to diminish how the seriousness of scammers. I 37 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,960 know some people in my own life who are older and have almost been scammed 38 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:08,680 by you know, pretty sophisticated spots or whatever. You know, It's not 39 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:13,719 I get it. Oh, however, I'm oh sorry, on, no, 40 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,400 go on. I was just going to say, with AI being able 41 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:20,639 to imitate voices, I imagine that scams are just going to get super charged 42 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:24,560 now, because it really will sound like your son calling you to tell you 43 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,199 that he's in a bind and needs money or something. Yeah. I mean, 44 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,039 I think there's a special place in hell for people whose who target the 45 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,159 elderly with stuff, you know, with with that that kind of thing. 46 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,599 So, but I'm just saying, if you're a journalist, your job is 47 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:44,240 to be skeptical somewhat to begin with. And even if this was like really 48 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,960 the CIA, I still wouldn't hand them fifty thousand dollars. Really, what 49 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:52,479 is the especially not handle hand money to the CIA? Like, I don't 50 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:54,199 know much, but I know they're up to no good. And also the 51 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:59,639 CIA is not supposed to operate within the United States, so I would have 52 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,479 a lot of I would have a lot of questions before my fifty thousand dollars 53 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,520 was handed over to a stranger who drove away. I just thought it was 54 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:11,919 interesting because I have a low opinion of modern journalists. And I'm not trying 55 00:04:11,919 --> 00:04:15,759 to pick on this one woman, but she is the financial advice columnist, 56 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,480 and I'm not sure how you keep your job after handing fifty thousand dollars over 57 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,639 to scammers. After that, it does seem to be a fireable offense for 58 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:29,199 that particular job. It's almost like falling for the Russia collusion hoax, right, 59 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,920 It is always to have your job, and yet so many have And 60 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:39,040 I believe the response to people quote unquote falling for the Russia collusion hoax was 61 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:42,560 to give them awards. Why is there any news on that front? David, 62 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,519 Actually, neither you brought something up. I just remembered something we had 63 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:53,680 not planned for. Is that what's your name? Natasha Bertrand, Natasha Fusion 64 00:04:53,720 --> 00:05:00,920 GPS Bertrand. She was nicknamed Fusion GPS because she funneled Fusion GPS propaganda to 65 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,480 corporate media outlets about the Russia collusion hoax. She also was the author of 66 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:13,279 the story that fifty one intel experts say that Hunter Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian 67 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,759 disinformation. Natasha Fusion GPS Bertrand, she probably shouldn't be in journalism, right, 68 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:26,160 No, she should not. When I remember that famous New York Times 69 00:05:26,399 --> 00:05:30,560 magazine piece about Ben Rhodes, Yeah, I thought you were bringing her up 70 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,240 because she got a promotion, and I was trying to set you up to 71 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,639 say that, Oh yeah, I was going to say it after this next 72 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:41,680 comment, thank you. Yes, she got a promotion at CNN. She's 73 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,160 falling upwards and upwards. Where what is she at CNN? She's some senior 74 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:51,199 reporting us there a hoax editor. I was just going to mention that. 75 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,160 I was just going to quickly say that that famous piece about Ben Roads in 76 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:58,600 the New York Times magazine, about the echo chamber and about fooling these young 77 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,360 reporters into just repeating what every year say. Every time I think about that 78 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:05,040 or read about it, her face is the image that's in my mind, 79 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,160 like I think of people like her and her specifically. And speaking of the 80 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:15,959 Russia collusion hoax, have you seen that there are a bunch of politicians now 81 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,160 who are back on the Russia collusion bandwagon. This is I think it's going 82 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:26,720 to be a major talking point again. I saw Nancy Pelosi the other day. 83 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:31,639 Here's the Jen Saki asks Nancy Pelosi, We're all wondering what do you 84 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:36,120 think Utin has on Trump? Nancy Pelosi, I don't know what he has 85 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:44,680 on him, but I think it's probably financial. Now, his his taxes 86 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,079 were leaked, right, you know, we know everything he's done. He's 87 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:54,480 one of the most famous men. A two year Special Council prosecution was ginned 88 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:00,920 up precisely to find even the tiniest little bit of substantiation the delusional conspiracy theory 89 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:06,199 that Russians had something on Donald Trump, and they were unable to find a 90 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:15,279 single solitary even like whisper of a thing related to that. And Nancy Pelosi 91 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:19,279 is bringing back the old hits, but she's not alone a bunch. I 92 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:25,000 saw the usual characters doing the same thing. But now you mentioned Muller, 93 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,279 but there was also you know, there's there was a house investigation, there's 94 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:32,240 a Senate investigation. There was there's every media outlet on earth with tons of 95 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:38,480 money in their pockets, probably engaged in years long investigations to try to find 96 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,800 something, and none of them have ever found anything. But yet they continue 97 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:46,439 talking about this and they're treated with respect by these major media organizations. Though 98 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,399 they are no better than an Alex Jones or whatever. I mean, they're 99 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:54,920 no better. It's just there's anesthetically, yeah, they're worse, yes, 100 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,879 because this is normalized and given credence by media. But there's this quote how 101 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,480 Man. I forget who said it, but someone once said that. You 102 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:11,560 know that there's authoritarianism or totalitarianism when people stop debating issues and start only talking 103 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,199 about motivations. And that's what I feel like is happens today. They can't 104 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,199 even debate issues. I don't care if you hate Donald Trump, you can 105 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,319 debate the issues he's talking about, tell us why we should be in Ukraine. 106 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,360 But no, it has to be always some conspiracy, some plot, 107 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,800 some you know, blackmail, and I can't believe we have to go through 108 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:35,799 like come up with a new conspiracy theory. I don't want to relive the 109 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:37,679 last one again. Well. I think part of the problem though, is 110 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:43,360 that people if the only response to Nancy Pelosi saying that she believes a delusional 111 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:48,480 conspiracy theory about this, or a media entity treating it like that's a legitimate 112 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:54,360 thing to say, is mockery and derision and condemnation. It's not to engage 113 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,840 the topic. It's not to say, Okay, here's how we know that 114 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:03,600 Donald Trump didn't commit turns out Donald Trump was not a secret sleeper spy for 115 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Russia for twenty years. And the only crazy people think that, you know, 116 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:11,519 you just you just sort of don't even give it the time of day. 117 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:16,159 I think you mock it. Yeah, we mock it. So all 118 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,679 of this kind of came about, I think because Donald Trump said that if 119 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,480 Europe wasn't going to pay up there, you're supposed to use a certain percentage 120 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,679 of your GDP on military needs in Europe. And none of these countries pay 121 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,519 their bills. Germany hasn't paid up. I think it's two or three percent. 122 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,080 They're supposed to pony up every year for decades, like we've just been 123 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,279 protecting these people, you know, and even Barack Obama had a problem with 124 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,879 that. But then Trump of course takes it, you know, a step 125 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,440 two four and says, I'll let Russia do whatever it wants, you know, 126 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:56,840 and everyone immediately. But again again this is not twenty sixteen. So 127 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:00,840 in twenty sixteen, Donald Trump said, I don't think we should be paying 128 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,759 for all of NATO's defense. We're all supposed to pay, you know, 129 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:09,879 x percentage of GDP, and we're not seeing that from these other countries. 130 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:16,399 And then as they claimed that there was this existential threat Houghton on their borders 131 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,399 about to overrun all of Europe, and you'd say, gosh, if that's 132 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:24,159 true, and there's a lot of reason to think that that's not true. 133 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,879 But if you believed that to be true, wouldn't you be spending much more 134 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,159 on defense? And so, you know, in twenty sixteen, Trump is 135 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,360 talking about like the need to pay more, and then during his administration he 136 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,960 actually gets them to pay more, although still not sufficient to the issue at 137 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,879 hand. This is not immediately following World War Two, where we are basically 138 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:52,759 subsidizing everybody because their countries were destroyed. This is many decades later. The 139 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,399 year the current year is twenty twenty four. So if if they're in, 140 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,840 they're grown up. Countries really grown up and the boar was long time ago, 141 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,120 and so they need to be paying their own share. And so yeah, 142 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,480 he says like, if you're not paying your share and putin comes in, 143 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,960 I'm not going to worry about it, or something like that. And 144 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:15,519 everyone pretends like they don't understand what's going on, which is Trump is saying, 145 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:24,159 I'm sick of subsidizing for eighty plus years your defense budget. Now, 146 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,960 that is an incredibly important point. I wrote about this in my book on 147 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Europe. You know, there was there was a huge boom in Europe in 148 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,440 the post war years for the countries that were destroyed, and we helped that 149 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:37,240 along to whatever extent. But what we really did was give them an umbrella 150 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,360 of protection that allowed them to use a lot of their you know, you 151 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:46,519 know, to save a lot of money and a lot of manpower not to 152 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,480 have to build these armed forces. But now, why are we still doing 153 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,679 it to the same extent. It doesn't make any sense to me. You 154 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,279 say anything against NATO and people get hysterical, like you're talking about giving up 155 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,320 a state or something. Well, we're not Europe, and I you know, 156 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,799 Germany is one of the richest countries on Earth, and they don't even 157 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,399 pay three percent of their GDP into protecting Europe there on borders. I just 158 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,240 don't I think, you know, I think Trump has a good point on 159 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:16,399 that. So anyway, and even if he was saying I like Putin better 160 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,200 than I like, you know, I like Moscow better than Berlin, that 161 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,159 still doesn't make him a trader to the United States. It's a position you're 162 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:26,559 allowed to take here. By the way, I keep forgetting that we're not 163 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,159 actually at war supposedly with Russia. And it's not treachery to say something about 164 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,879 the guy that's nice like Tucker maybe did you know recently or whatever? I 165 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:41,039 think they're wrong, but it's not treachery. It's not sedition anyway, I 166 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,600 don't know. You see, we're just talking about doing the same thing we 167 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,720 did five six years ago, Right, We're talking about the same dumb topic, 168 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,799 don't you think. Yeah? But I so, I've been extremely busy 169 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:56,639 for the last week, and therefore how I'm getting my news and information is 170 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,320 a little bit disrupted. So you said you thought that the Russia colusion hoax 171 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,919 was starting again because Trump said that NATO countries should pay their fair share. 172 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,720 But I kind of thought it was starting again because that double agent we had 173 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:13,679 that we used for many years and paid a lot of money too, was 174 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:24,320 charged with lying about the Biden family corruption. 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I actually saw Raskin and Shifting these guys doing it 184 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,480 before that story broke. But tell tell us a little bit about that story. 185 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:07,360 Well, I actually kind of want to do a little deeper dive on 186 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:09,320 this later, so I'm just kind of saying my own perception on this. 187 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,120 So we know that there was an informant that the FBI worked with regularly. 188 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:18,440 They've now admitted that they used his information many times and found him credible to 189 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:24,000 achieve convictions and trials. He may have been a Russia collusion hoax witness. 190 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:31,840 I think there's some ambiguity about that right now. Then he reported that there 191 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:37,159 was something about Biden family corruption related to Barisma and Ukraine. And what's interesting 192 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,320 about this is that at the time he reported it, nobody cared. Then 193 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:48,360 even when someone found that he had reported this, like during the second impeachment 194 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:54,600 or first first impeachment era, still the DOJ did not really go into it 195 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:58,480 and look into it or anything like that. They seem to just be running 196 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,039 cover for Biden. Then there are whistleblowers who are saying, it's kind of 197 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,039 insane. We had this guy. He was using language that other people have 198 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,960 used to talk about Biden family coruption in terms of Joe Biden being the big 199 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,080 guy, and before it was publicly reported by anyone else, you know, 200 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:20,240 making allegations about schemes and plots that would be very difficult to uncover, and 201 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,720 the DOJ just doesn't care and they're not looking into it, even as they 202 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:28,000 ran the Russia collusion hoax and other stuff. And so finally this like special 203 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,879 counsel who declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything at all and then was like 204 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:37,840 sort of forced into it. He looks into it and says that this guy 205 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:41,759 is not telling the truth and charges him with crimes. And I'm like, 206 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:48,960 oh my bleep. We had so many people involved in making up the Russia 207 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,679 collusion hoax just out of whole cloth. They were referred to the Department of 208 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:58,600 Justice for criminal prosecution. I mean it was Lindsey Graham and Chuck Grassley who 209 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:03,919 referred Chris Steele very early on in the Russia collusion hoax for making up stories 210 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,600 in his dossier, right, and nobody was held accountable. I think they 211 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:11,720 might have won awards and gotten money, you know, nobody who was held 212 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,840 accountable. Then this guy who they say had like the wrong date on something, 213 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,759 who they found very credible in every other way and used him for convictions. 214 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:23,960 This guy was lying. And so even though he's just one part of 215 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,840 the larger story of Biden family corruption in terms of you people on the record 216 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,440 with their face and name and all the details. Check out people like Tony 217 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,799 Bobolinski, who was a business partner of Hunter Biden's, who met with Joe 218 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,320 Biden about the Biden family business and getting used his own name and all that. 219 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:42,679 You've all these this guy's just like one little tiny part of it. 220 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Now, all the people on the left who never covered the Biden family corruption 221 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,759 issue, which is ongoing and serious, say well, it's all made up 222 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:55,799 because we say this guy had the wrong date for when he alleged, you 223 00:16:55,799 --> 00:17:00,240 know, one part of the scheme. And it's un believable what the Department 224 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:04,359 of Justice will do to protect Joe Biden, whether that's letting him get away 225 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:11,400 with classified document mishandling when he was not president, while going after his top 226 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:15,559 political opponent for classified document mishandling from his time as president. You know, 227 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:21,319 all of this just insanity is too much to cope with. This was the 228 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,839 guy who said that Biden had been bribed, right, I think he said 229 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,640 there was an elaborate scheme of some kind. Yeah, and it would take 230 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,839 that it would take ten years to unravel right, So just take what he 231 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,079 said out of the entire Hunter Joe equation and it doesn't really change anything. 232 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,880 That's that was never sort of the main thrust of any story. There is 233 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,680 a lot of evidence outside and not outside. There's tons of evidence that has 234 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,200 nothing to do with that guy's comments. He was paid one hundred K or 235 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,839 something, So I wonder if it's taken so seriously by our government that they 236 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:00,000 paid him for his information, but then when he said something against their favorite 237 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,799 person, Joe Biden, all of a sudden, now he's being charged with 238 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,039 crimes. And they tried to keep him from They tried to keep him locked 239 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:08,440 up so he couldn't talk to any journalists or other people. You know, 240 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,720 it's insane. I wonder what this. I wonder if this chills for other 241 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:19,200 informants from speaking about stuff. Meaning it's how you frame it, right, 242 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,599 this is what I heard. I'm not an expert on this stuff, but 243 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,359 I heard this thing about Joe Biden. That's how I remember it being framed. 244 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,799 How could you be prosecuted for relaying information you hear? It seems like 245 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,480 a bad way to run informants. Oh, I absolutely think you should be 246 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,480 prosecuted. For sharing bad information. If you know it's a lie, I 247 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,200 don't trust them that that's what the case is here. This guy pretty clearly 248 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,039 seems like a double asient we were running of some kind. It's probably very 249 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,880 difficult to know what's a lie or not in that world. That's what Chris 250 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,680 Steele said. I have a person who knows a person who said this thing 251 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,319 about this other person, and you know, that's that's what the whole Steele 252 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,680 dossier was. I still think he should have been charged, and that costs 253 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,880 this name, you know, four years of multimillion dollar investigations. Okay, 254 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:10,440 exactly, David. So they take the Chris Steele dossier bought and paid for 255 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:15,160 by literally Hillary Clinton and the DNC. It has no basis in fact, 256 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:21,640 and they use it to run an operation to undermine the administration for years, 257 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:27,400 to bankrupt and imprison people. Four years with the Joe Biden info that comes 258 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,000 from someone they claimed was like so trusted that they actually paid him six figures 259 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:37,720 and they used his information to convict their enemies, and they because it goes 260 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,640 against Biden, they sit on it. They sat on it from before, 261 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,240 you know, I don't know when that tip first came in, but it 262 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,920 was well before the first impeachment, so they sat on it then, and 263 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960 then during the impeachment they tried to hide it, and then they tried to 264 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,160 hide it for years later, and only because they were shamed into looking into 265 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,079 it. Do they look into it? And then are you kidding me? 266 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,440 They read, then use it to start a moller probe two point oh that 267 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,960 undermines the whole administration. They then say, no, it turns out this 268 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 guy that we told, that we've you know, for years said was the 269 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,799 most credible person in the world. We're gonna We're going to try to jail 270 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,279 him for saying something mean about Biden. It's it. It'd be interesting to 271 00:20:18,319 --> 00:20:22,400 know what other stuff this guy told them and if that those were investigated, 272 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,680 you know what I'm saying. But we'll never know, probably, or we'll 273 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,440 know a long time from now. I all I just want to say is 274 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,759 that I'm so sick of I'm so sick of this stuff. But anyway, 275 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,240 Okay, I'm supposed to be more positive about all the terrible things that are 276 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,599 happening. My letter writers say, so I'll move forward. Can we move 277 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:45,440 to So? I just wanted to talk about another thing you had suggested that 278 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,799 I watch an hour long interview that Tucker Carlson did with Mike Ben's I think 279 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:56,400 it is his name on sort of the censorship apparatus and you know the deep 280 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,759 state stuff, right I had. I have not watched it. I'm going 281 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:03,920 in at that, but I will. But it seemed like it really got 282 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,559 people talking. So can you just give like an overview of what that was 283 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:14,839 about? And I know it's a lot. Just here's my deeper question before 284 00:21:14,839 --> 00:21:17,319 you even go into it, is are we going? Is you wrote a 285 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:19,440 whole book called Rigged. A lot of it had to do with censorship in 286 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:23,880 various ways. Are we Do you think things have gotten better? Are people 287 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,200 more skeptical of what they're hearing? Or are we going through going to go 288 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:33,000 essentially through the same thing? Again? I have so many thoughts here. 289 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:34,839 First off, I just want to say that I asked everybody on staff to 290 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:38,759 please watch it so we could talk about it and have good strategies for what 291 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,119 to do in terms of covering it. So I want to thank you first 292 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,240 off for taking the time to watch it as I requested. Okay, so 293 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,680 I just want everybody to watch it. I think It's a really important and 294 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:59,079 easy listen or watch that explains what's happening with the censorship industrial complex. I 295 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,359 have been trying to talk about this for years, and I was so happy 296 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,079 that someone else who's watched by like millions of people was talking about it so 297 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:08,519 that it's easier to talk about it with other people. So what Mike Ben's, 298 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:14,880 who was previously with our federal government in cybersecurity efforts, talks about is 299 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:19,960 how we have all these different entities that are supposed to be outward focused on, 300 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:26,240 you know, shaping a foreign policy, shaping situation in other countries that 301 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,400 is beneficial to us. You know, we might push for certain people to 302 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,119 be elected, or we might push for certain movements to be amplified because they 303 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,880 are targeting a regime that we don't like, and how those have always been 304 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,240 kind of outward focused. And then during the Russia collusion hoax, it gave 305 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,880 permission sort of for these federal agencies that are supposed to be more outward focused 306 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,200 to look internally and claim that there's disinformation that they have to fight here. 307 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,240 So it sort of opened up all of their censorship tools that they use in 308 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,599 social media to a domestic audience, and the Russia collusion hoax was key to 309 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,200 that because you're not supposed to target Americans, but if you can claim that 310 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,279 it's Russians who are doing this, then you can kind of get an entry 311 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,920 to censorship. You might remember that Matt Tayibe had exposed how so much of 312 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,559 this like group called Hamilton sixty eight, which was one of the never Trump 313 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,799 outlets that got so much coverage in corporate media. They would claim that people 314 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:30,359 were Russian tools, and then if you actually looked at who they were through 315 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,200 the Twitter files, you found out that they were just like a farmer in 316 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,519 Iowa or a college activist in Pennsylvania. But they'd been sold to the press 317 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,880 as if they were Russian agents when that was not true. So the tools 318 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,039 that are at the federal government's disposal for censorship exist in the State Department, 319 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:55,799 the Department of Homeland Security, and throughout the military, and they help with 320 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,519 as our lawsuit that the Federalist has done a lawsuit again, it's the State 321 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,559 Department for its role in the censorship industrial complex. They kind of help set 322 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:11,240 up censorship schemes, they help market censorship tools, they help distribute censorship tools. 323 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,160 This one's like fund the launch of them, and there are hundreds of 324 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:22,000 these outside the government that exist to amplify left wing news and information, suppress 325 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,720 conservative news information or news that's pro regime gets elevated in news that's against the 326 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:33,000 sort of like dominant regime gets gets suppressed. And it is a massive, 327 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:41,160 unbelievably well funded thing that involves federal agencies, NGOs, academic institutions, and 328 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:48,079 for profit censorship tools. And they're being used to affect like how we talk 329 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,200 or think about every single issue that we vote on. So it's just massive 330 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,720 election interference. And just by example, to remember, during twenty sixteen, 331 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,640 they claimed that the twenty sixteen election was ill legitimate and that Donald Trump had 332 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:07,480 stolen the election because Russia had spent one hundred thousand dollars on Facebook ads, 333 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:12,319 some of which benefited Hillary Clinton and some of which benefited Donald Trump, and 334 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,960 that was enough to launch the Molar probe. And like the hysteria, and 335 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:21,359 we're talking about I don't even know how much the inkind money or the actual 336 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,279 outlays are to control the way people think and what they are able to share 337 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:32,279 about every topic under the sun. From like pandemic response to free speech issues 338 00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:37,519 to like what they think about how elections are being run. Even Oh, 339 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,039 that's like actually one of the best parts about the Mike Benz thing. He 340 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:44,680 looks at how if you criticized radical changes to election laws, that was viewed 341 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,039 as an attack on democracy, and so therefore they could suppress your discussion of 342 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:55,200 those things. It is when you say they can suppress your discussion about these 343 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:02,960 things, you mean that they apply pressure to private entities like social media platforms, 344 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,000 et cetera, to banish people talk about it or to you know, 345 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:11,880 to censor them. Right, So it's not even about applying pressure so much 346 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,160 as all the left wing people in the government and in these different entities are 347 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,440 just kind of working together to help their critical team. And so if you 348 00:26:19,559 --> 00:26:22,960 say things like we came up with a way that you could view this as 349 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:27,680 an attack on democracy, you know, they're kind of like helping with the 350 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,440 search terms or the turns of phrase that might be used to flag that someone 351 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,640 is a problem. And then once someone's a problem, they're always a problem. 352 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,000 So let's say you said, I think that it makes more sense that 353 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:48,319 the COVID came out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Than then it came 354 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,200 out of the wet market and you say that, they say, Okay, 355 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,640 this person's spreading disinformation, so we just need to like flag them and keep 356 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,319 them limited on Facebook. And that happens to so many people, and it 357 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,240 also happens on other social media, or it could be that the actual topic 358 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,240 gets suppressed. We're not going to let this be distributed again. If you'd 359 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:11,240 watched this or listened to this, we could talk about it in a more 360 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,480 knowledgeable way. And so I would commend everybody to spend the very short period 361 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,119 of time of one hour to watch this. And I know tens of billions 362 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,200 of people have already. I feel like you're throwing shade my way. Listen, 363 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,400 I was doing works, working on other things. I planned to watch 364 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,559 it, and it's slipped through the cracks. An hour is a long time 365 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,960 in my life. I'm not saying I'm like super busy, but an hour 366 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:37,400 is not that short a time. Though, then when I start talking about 367 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,720 culture and all the things I watched, them like, maybe an hour is 368 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,839 a short amount of my life, but you can also speed it up. 369 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,079 I was on the plane, I was on the plane with my husband, 370 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,000 and I had already made it through more of the interview when we started, 371 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,599 but then he finished before me, and I said, how do you do 372 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,440 that? And he said, I listened to it at one point five speed. 373 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,160 So I'm also kind of down on Tucker, and honestly, some of 374 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,440 the people he has on his show really offend me. But then he has 375 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,039 good guests too, so I don't know. So I'll just say about this, 376 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,240 and I think it's fair. I think I think it's okay. You 377 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,359 know that he's like a friendly interviewer, but it can be very frustrating when 378 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,279 he has people that need to be asked tough questions, right, And I 379 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,799 think that's why some people were worried about the Vladimir Putin interview. Wouldn't ask 380 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:25,039 about Putin's treatment of journalists and stuff. So it was good that he did 381 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:29,359 it. But it just happens that in this particular interview, Tucker barely talks. 382 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,839 I mean, it's almost nothing at all. It's just Mike Ben's kind 383 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,640 of going through everything in a very easy to understand way. I mean, 384 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,839 the Overton window has been moved so much that we talk about this stuff and 385 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,759 it's not even that surprising when you mentioned how this works. But if you 386 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:49,480 really think about it, the government State's Apartment, the Homeland Security Department, 387 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:55,240 which didn't exist a while back, really are involved in your speech, like 388 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:59,000 they take an interest in what you say, which is not that the government's 389 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,640 job in any way. It is nowhere in the Constitution. It is. 390 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,039 In fact, I would make an argument that it is unconstitutional for the government. 391 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,279 It would make the argument that the First Amendment is in the constitution. 392 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,839 That's an interesting argument. Yes, yeah, I just say you say overton 393 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,640 window and like this is kind of great. It's more than that. It's 394 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:25,799 that one of the things that's foundational to our country is that we have the 395 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,960 right to seek the truth and share the truth with other people. And in 396 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,920 order to do that, because we can't have the government be the decider of 397 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,920 what is true or not, because it doesn't work that way, you have 398 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:44,119 to be free to speak your mind, publish your thoughts, share your thoughts, 399 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440 worship God the way you know it to be right. And that's why 400 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,440 the First Amendment puts all of those things together, because it's about how we 401 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:57,640 have the right to seek truth and share truth. And that's what the government 402 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,720 is preventing us from I'm doing right now, I shure. I'm sure you'll 403 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,200 remember a few years ago, the White House was like, if Facebook keeps 404 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,880 allowing these people to talk, you know, they're going to be in trouble. 405 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,039 They're going to be punished, which is just like mind blowing for the 406 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,720 government to say. And people also seem to forget, certainly liberals or leftists, 407 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,359 that if I want to spread misinformation or even disinformation, that's my prerogative. 408 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,079 It's really none of their business to stop me from speaking what I want 409 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:26,599 to say. I'm not even saying that that's true. I think they use 410 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,920 that as a pretext to censor people who are saying things they don't like. 411 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,599 But even if it were true, a lot to talk about whatever I feel 412 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,160 like, or I used to be. I like to switch from this topic 413 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,400 to some of the law fair stuff against Trump and one of what I think 414 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:52,960 is one of the or I think it's maybe the most egregiously transparently political civil 415 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:59,680 trial I've ever ever seen. Right, so, I'm talking about the civil 416 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,920 trial against Trump and New York against his business. I think he's charged within 417 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,599 for he was you know, he was charged with inflating the worth and value 418 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,359 of his holdings, and he was fined by a judge four hundred and fifty 419 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,839 million dollars. Now, I just want to quickly say that the most egregious 420 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:26,480 thing that he did in this suit was over estimate the square footage of Trump 421 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:32,880 of a area in Trump Tower from by like twenty thousand square feet, which 422 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,200 sounds terrible, but Trump Tower is a huge building. So every kind of 423 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:42,799 real expert on this situation that I've listened to, either you can read between 424 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,400 the lines or they'll just explicitly say it. Think that this this penalty and 425 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,920 this case is kind of ridiculous, even people who don't like Trump. First 426 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:59,359 of all, all these rich guys try to inflate their worth to get loans 427 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:07,000 and so forth. But the fine is outlandish. It essentially would ruin Donald 428 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,440 Trump in New York and not let him do any business. And the person 429 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,720 who brought this forward was the Attorney General what is her name, Lalita or 430 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:20,200 what is her name Jones? I forgot her name, Leticia Letitia Jones maybe 431 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,200 or something. Anyway, whatever, she ran explicitly saying James explicitly saying that 432 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:28,720 she was going to find Trump guilty of something and ruin him. Then she 433 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,000 brings this case. Then the judge, you know, then there's just this 434 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:37,559 just outrageous fee. This is to me, this is one of the worst 435 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:43,640 cases because obvious justly punishing him for his political career and interviews. Yes, 436 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,119 unlike all those other cases that are not doing the same exact thing. But 437 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,160 I get your point. I mean there's you know, the classified document case. 438 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,000 I think that's selective prosecution. But there is something there, right, 439 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:59,039 I just this, I don't even believe there's almost anything even there, you 440 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,839 know, I don't know. Well, yeah, so in this particular situation, 441 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,880 he was charged with inflating the value of his assets. Now, the 442 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,119 bank did its own assessment of his assets and they decided to do the loan. 443 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,119 They I believe, testified on his behalf or they were seen as viewing 444 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,000 as being on his behalf. They gave him the loan. The loan was 445 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:24,079 repaid, they were very happy. Trump was happy. There are no zero 446 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,400 victims, zero victims here, and the punishment for this non crime is to 447 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,720 try to bankrupt him and his family. And so, yes, this is 448 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,319 obviously horrific. It's horrific. Whether you love Trump or hate him if you 449 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,119 care about the country and you care about rule of law, and you care 450 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,720 about the eighth Amendment to the US Constitution, which prohibits barbaric punishment, and 451 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:52,920 that can mean anything from like barbaric physical punishment to giving someone a life sentence 452 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,640 for a parking ticket. You know, there is supposed to be an appropriate 453 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:04,240 level of punishment to the crime. This is an insane punishment for no crime. 454 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,679 And I was reading about Alexander Navalni after he died last week, and 455 00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:12,039 he you know, may not have may or may not have technically been killed 456 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:17,119 by the Putin regime directly when he died, but he'd been put through such 457 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,039 horrific treatment for decades, including poisoning, that I think it's fair to say 458 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:30,039 that Putin killed him. But the original attacks on him involved charging him with 459 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:35,039 mysterious financial crimes that didn't really make sense, and then finding him guilty, 460 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,480 and then if he complained to the judge who was doing a sham trial, 461 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,920 they would charge him with contempt toward the judge. Then, of course, 462 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,000 he was charged with insurrection for his political opposition to Putin. And everyone in 463 00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:51,280 the world kind of recognizes this as gosh, this guy was a political prisoner 464 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,239 and a political a victim of his politics. That's what That's what the problem 465 00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,239 was. And yet with Donald Trump, they're cheering on and not realizing theyre' 466 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:05,400 are the bad guys, the very very very bad guys. Evil guys. 467 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,320 Only evil people try to bankrupt their political opponents. That's evil. It should 468 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,440 be called evil. It should be treated as what it is. Like there's 469 00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:17,719 nothing legitimate about any of this, and it's kind of weird to me. 470 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960 How while I think a lot of Americans under it, and so far as 471 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,599 they know about this situation, view it as horrific, you're not seeing much 472 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,719 leadership, Like I haven't heard Mitch McConnell say, uh, you remember, 473 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,360 I supposed to care about the Constitution, and the Constitution says this is bad, 474 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,960 Like he's just completely out to lunch, conspiring against Trump, caring more 475 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:50,760 about his hatred for Trump than being a leader of the political party or the 476 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,840 country. Even I mean, even Biden should be speaking out against this. 477 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,119 Anyone who cares about America should say, I don't think we should destroy the 478 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:04,599 country. Just some of us really hate this person, right, Uh yeah, 479 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,679 I mean, you know, I think the Left actually likes the power 480 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,679 Putin has. They just don't like his targets, like they wish they had 481 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:17,000 that power themselves. They just don't like the targets. They're just trying to 482 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,199 destroy the court system here in a way to abuse it for politics in a 483 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,199 way that authoritarians do. I'm completely on board with that. I don't think 484 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,519 I don't like when people say we're just as bad as Russia, because overall 485 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,719 I don't think we are. But what they should be saying is we don't 486 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,119 want to be like Russia. And this sounds like something that would be happening 487 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,880 in Russia. So we're you know, against it, even though this is 488 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,960 a person that is our political opposition. I mean, this was clearly politically 489 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,519 motivated. The judge is clearly politically motivated, the AG is most politically motivated. 490 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:58,440 And you know, there's also an an NRA trial going on. I'm 491 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,000 not sure if that's over in in New York. Also, they were just 492 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:07,079 specifically going after the NRA because of its politics, and you know what's going 493 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,719 to happen. A lot of people are just not going to do you know, 494 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,239 we're conservatives are never going to go and do business in states where they 495 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,239 can get, you know, be the target of prosecutions. I don't think 496 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,119 that's very good. But yeah, I mean especially this trial. I mean 497 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,239 there's no excuse for this at all. I mean it is completely political. 498 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,159 So I don't know, I don't know what happens here. Is there a 499 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:31,519 way for him to be I heard there was really no good way for him 500 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:37,039 to even appeal this decision or it's very difficult. In order to appeal, 501 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,599 he has to give a lot of the money. All of the money, 502 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:44,239 I don't know. I think is it Letinia James. I hadn't got the 503 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:50,000 name James. Leticia James has threatened to take you know, to start confiscating 504 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,880 his property, you know, before an appeals process is even over. Yeah, 505 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,119 why not? What's stopping her? I do want to say that I 506 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:01,360 thought it was interesting that Kathleen Hokeel admitted that this was a politically targeted prosecution. 507 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,199 Everyone was kind of like, wow, they can seize your assets if 508 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,920 they don't like you in New York, we should probably move our businesses. 509 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,199 And she said no, no, no, no, no, don't worry. 510 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,280 This is just about Trump, which is like, I don't think you're 511 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,719 supposed to admit that even though we all know that's true. Did you see 512 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,039 there was a leak I forget who it was, maybe Politico where they quote 513 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,840 Biden being really upset and angry because they keep saying how angry it is. 514 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:34,039 Angry he is to pretend that he's actually not just a zombie, but how 515 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,159 angry he is that Merrick Garland isn't moving quicker to go after Donald Trump before 516 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:42,840 the election, Like, isn't that just admitting that this is politically motivated and 517 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,000 that you don't want to face him and that you want to undermine him through 518 00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,360 Yes, lost, so it's admitting that you are trying to you know, 519 00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:54,519 there's this thing where every time Donald Trump said, gosh, this lie that 520 00:38:54,599 --> 00:39:01,199 I'm secretly a Russian spy is bs and they say he's trying to direct the 521 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,800 Molar probe impeach him. But then Biden goes to Politico or the New York 522 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,440 Times and he's like, hey, TikTok, we're not going to be able 523 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,239 to control this election if you don't politically prosecute this faster. And everyone's like, 524 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,000 I didn't notice anything inappropriate. That doesn't seem weird at all that he's 525 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,400 communicating his desires through Politico and the New York Times to the Justice Department that 526 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:29,960 he claims is completely independent. Yeah, I mean it also yeah, like 527 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,000 you said, it also shows that he might be speaking to Garland through the 528 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,320 media, if not directly telling him and pressuring him to do more. Like 529 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,119 I don't really know how much more the guy is supposed to do here. 530 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,320 But okay, I mean they're how many case I mean, I know they're 531 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,840 not all driven by him, but how many cases are there you know, 532 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:52,920 are ongoing or enough of that? Let's talk about culture. I have to 533 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,760 say, I was visiting South Carolina. What a beautiful state, huh. 534 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360 I was in Charleston area. Pretty nice. There are a lot of building 535 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,719 going on. It's like a booming place. But anyway, it did not 536 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,760 get to do a lot of culture. I only watched a few episodes of 537 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,920 a show I'm trying to get into called Boardwalk Empire. Have you watched this? 538 00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,960 I think I watched a few of it, a few episodes many years 539 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,159 back. Like, if you wrote up the perfect show, this would be 540 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,880 it for me. But some for some reason, I'm having a really hard 541 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,239 time, Like I'm getting through it, but I'm not like super enjoying it. 542 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,480 He did not grab me either. Yeah, it's just it, you 543 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,880 know, it's about mobsters. I like that, it's about you know, 544 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,480 it's just history. I like that. But for the actors are all great, 545 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,280 and it's got people from the Wire and the sopranos, and yet it's 546 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,119 just not working for me. But anyway, how about you. Well, 547 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,719 I was at Hillsdale. In fact, I got off the plane from Hillsdale 548 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,440 and came right here to tape this podcast. And while I was at Hillsdale, 549 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,679 one of the deans was talking about you, saying how he really wanted 550 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,480 to meet you, and he thought, you know, maybe you'd be at 551 00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:01,079 our Christmas party. And I was like, ah, he doesn't come out 552 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:07,239 in public, so no, but you know, you had no like we 553 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,159 did a Federalist gathering. Oh yeah, yeah, I remember. You might 554 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:19,320 remember because you didn't show up. But that's okay. I I'll come next 555 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,920 Christmas, I promise. I agreed. And then I went to the Library 556 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:30,639 of Congress this last weekend with my children and it was quite the hot ticket. 557 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,119 Like you have to reserve tickets, then you have to wait in line 558 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,800 in the snow in our case for like an hour and then we got in. 559 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,000 It was very beautiful inside and it was really fun, nice little museum 560 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:44,880 to watch to go through. But then I went to the gift store and 561 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:51,400 in the gift store they were selling almost no books and the book selection was 562 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,000 not good and one of them was white fragility or something like, you know, 563 00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:02,480 one of those like just it was embarrassing. Let me see beautiful architecture, 564 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,239 beautiful art, beautiful quotes. And then you go to the museum store 565 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,760 whatever, the bookstore and it's like the gift store and they're selling really bad. 566 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,800 Okay, humble brag for a second. Someone sent me a picture of 567 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,320 the Alamo bookstore, I guess, and there was my book, First Freedom, 568 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920 my Gun book? Was that me? Who did that? No? 569 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,400 I went to the Alamo. I went to the Alamo gift Shop this year. 570 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:34,360 Oh it was so much fun. I really loved the Alamo, the 571 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:38,000 Alamo Museum and the Alamo Gift Shop. They are all great. I cannot 572 00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:43,119 recommend them enough. It was almost life changing. It was life changing, 573 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:45,880 I can say that, really inspirational. And you know, I'd come like 574 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,519 just weeks after being at Masada, so that was kind of cool too. 575 00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:52,280 It was a summer of that type of wait, what'd you say? Where'd 576 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:59,039 you come from? Masadah? I was just writing notes down here and saying 577 00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,599 that weirdly, the Alama reminds me of Masada, sort of like the Martyrs 578 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:07,239 of the Freedom or you know, so at Masada, before you take the 579 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,199 tram up to the top, they do a little video and on the video 580 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,159 they show parts of the Alma. I hiked up. Oh so cool, 581 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,039 good for you. Did you know there's a church up there? Ruins of 582 00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:24,400 a church up there? No, they must have it's like fourth century. 583 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,920 Yeah, oh interesting. I had been up there before, but this time 584 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,239 when I went, I took like a slightly different route, and I was 585 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,440 very surprised to see that there. It was kind of building right as like 586 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,039 a Herod's like vacation home or something. But when you look around, you're 587 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,199 like, this is a desolate place, like who wants to vacation? Yeah? 588 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,400 I love it. I think it's beautiful up there. Then sort of 589 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:52,159 related. I just today finished the Old Testament in my Bible reading, and 590 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,239 it ended with some bangers that was really good, and I could have kept 591 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,159 reading on the plane, beginning with Matthew but I wanted a little bit of 592 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,119 a breather, even of a day before I start in the New Testament. 593 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:08,199 So that's been really great. And then the only thing I saw recently was 594 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,519 who's the woman from X Files? Jillian Anderson? Anderson, She's in this 595 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,519 movie called House of Mirth, which of course is based on Edith Wharton's House 596 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,440 of Mirth that I had never read, and so I thought it was going 597 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:29,519 to be sort of like a Jane Austen set in the US, kind of 598 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:34,800 like fun romp through the Gilded Age, how interesting it is how women have 599 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,480 to manage all these things, and it was. It was the most it 600 00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:45,599 was inappropriately misnamed there is no mirth in House of Mirth at all. Births, 601 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,920 Oh my goodness. I'm not like giving anything away because everybody else, 602 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,840 of course has read it or watched it, but like it's it's this woman 603 00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:59,599 who's, you know, sort of trying to get married and she ends up 604 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,079 dead of a drug overdose and poverty. A wealthy woman who's trying to get 605 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:07,599 married who ends up dead of a drug overdose in poverty. It was who 606 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,679 intense I saw an interview with Gillian Anderson once She's one of there's a name 607 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,320 for it, but I won't remember what it is. She is. She 608 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,960 has a British background, I think, and an American background somehow. I 609 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,920 think she was in both places, so she can slip into either accent naturally 610 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:29,440 without trying and just speak that way. So that's why she does a lot 611 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,360 of Uh. I think that's why she does a lot of British TV. 612 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,239 She was in The Fall. Did you ever see that show, Irish show 613 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,400 The Fall? Yeah, I would give that a I would give that a 614 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:45,360 soft recommend. That's pretty it's a down or two. It's about a serial 615 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:51,360 killer. What was Oh? You know what? I also did watch something 616 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,199 else. I'm sorry. I was just thinking of Jillian and we need content 617 00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,800 now. I love The X Files. That's one thing I used to watch 618 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,519 all the time in college. And I was like super obsessed with David Duchovny. 619 00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:08,800 He's a very handsome man, and that he had a bit part in 620 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,840 Zoolander. Yeah, he was the hand model, the glass around his hand. 621 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,760 And I did rewatch that sort of like I wasn't totally paying attention, 622 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,719 but I rewatched it a little bit, and you know, it's not a 623 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,480 very serious movie, but it kind of works. It's funny. I rewatched 624 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,599 that, I think this summer, and I thought it wouldn't be as funny 625 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,400 as it was, But I think it holds up. I look at David 626 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,280 Bowie's in it. The scene where the male models are doing their fight at 627 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,440 the gas station and then they like themselves on fire. It's really good. 628 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:50,239 Then he makes a he has a memorial fountain to them. There was a 629 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,920 sequel that you lander too. Yeah, I didn't. I saw it, 630 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,320 but I don't remember anything about it. I'm sure it wasn't great. Okay, 631 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,159 all right, that's a good discussion. And we were both busy, 632 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,400 so we didn't have a lot of time for culture. But we'll be back 633 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,199 with more culture and more politics next week. Until then, be lovers of 634 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,639 freedom and anxious for the friend