WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:16.359 Welcome to the Crown and Acre Grahams. This is Richmond Till We Die, 2 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:20.679 a conversation about the Apple TV Plus show ted Lasso, where we explore the 3 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.399 characters, their relationships to each other, and how they're able to make us 4 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.239 laugh until we can hardly breathe one moment and then feel with the deepest parts 5 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:35.520 of our hearts the next. I'm Marissa and I can't get a man with 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:40.520 a gun. I'm Brett and I'm a Joe with just one aim, and 7 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:44.840 that aim is to introduce our guest. But before I do, I just 8 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.439 want to share a quick update about what the next couple of months are going 9 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.200 to look like for our pod. Longtime fans of the show will likely already 10 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:55.079 know that we don't publish our episode conversations until the entire season has aired. 11 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.600 That means we won't begin dissecting season three episodes until the beginning of June at 12 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.479 the early. We have several reasons for doing this, but perhaps the biggest 13 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.840 is that we feel we can bring more focus and clarity to our episode discussions 14 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:11.079 after we've grasped the scope of the entire season. But not to worry, 15 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.480 you'll still be getting new episodes from us over the next twelve weeks or so 16 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.359 to tide you over. In fact, we have some incredible interviews lined up 17 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:22.799 with other super fans of the show, including podcasters, former and current pro 18 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.159 soccer players, journalists, reporters, activists, and more. We're also going 19 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.599 to be chatting with several ted Lasso cast and crew members, so be sure 20 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.439 to keep us in your podcast feed so that you don't miss out on any 21 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:38.000 of that ted Lasso goodness. Okay, back to my introduction. Our guest 22 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.519 today is the wonderful and charming Mary Lee Fairbanks. Mary Lee is a producer 23 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.640 and performer who has known for her work in the first touring production of the 24 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:51.159 musical Ragtime and the show I Love You Your Perfect Now Change? Brett, 25 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.760 did you know that I actually saw Mary Lee and I Love You Your Perfect 26 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.319 Now Change over twenty years ago, not until just now, there you go. 27 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.159 In addition to her work on the stage, Mary Lee is the co 28 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:07.439 producer and co host of The Stages podcast alongside her longtime friend and Broadway star 29 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:12.840 Stephanie J. Block, who has starred in shows like Wicked, The Share 30 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.080 Show, and Into the Woods, which Brett, did you know? I 31 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:20.000 also saw Stephanie j block in into the Woods. I did know that you 32 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.520 saw Stephanie. That was just the Woods. That was just like a couple 33 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.280 months ago. But whatever, just name dropping. On the Stages podcast, 34 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:30.719 Mary Lee and Stephanie invite fellow Broadway stars onto the show to share their stories 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:34.439 and chat about the ways that creativity and art can be pathways to empathy, 36 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:38.319 connection, healing, and community. Past guests of the show include Jason Alexander, 37 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:44.560 Jesse Tyler, Ferguson, Shoshanna bean Leashants, Mandy Gonzalez, Andrew Reynolds, 38 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:50.479 Kiala Settle, and my all time favorite and voice crush, Gavin Creel. 39 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.960 Given her subject matter expertise, we invited Mary Lee on the show to 40 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:58.919 chat about ted Lasso and musical theater. We also talked a lot about how 41 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.439 the show fosters connect community and empathy in ways that mirror many classics of the 42 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.639 musical theater genre. So Greyhounds please join us in giving a warm welcome to 43 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:14.840 mary Lee Fairbanks. Mary Lee Fairbanks to stage, Mary Lee to stage. 44 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:19.759 Please thank you guys for having me. Yeah, we're so excited that you 45 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.719 are here to chat about ted Lasso and musical theater and some other fun stuff 46 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.639 too. We already know that you are a fan of the show. So 47 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.639 first things first, what about the show hooked you? What did you love 48 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:32.479 about it, Why did you decide to start watching it, and what made 49 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.080 you stick with it? Well, you know, it's funny. I didn't 50 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.879 start watching it for the musical theater at all. I have a teenage son, 51 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.120 and when you have a teenage son, you're always searching for some way 52 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.080 to hang out and connect, and so one of the things we do is 53 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:53.039 find shows and binge them. So I had heard about the show and everybody 54 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.159 was talking about how wonderful it was, and so I said to my son, 55 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.360 well, let's just give it a shot. You know, I figured 56 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:04.000 sport he might like. I This is probably not popular to say, but 57 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:10.479 I don't like sports. I don't watch sports ever. Um. I grew 58 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.879 up with two older brothers who played hockey, and I spent my childhood in 59 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:18.680 hockey rinks. And in the seventies, right, we didn't have phones, 60 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:23.560 we didn't have any video, we had nothing to entertain ourselves, and not 61 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:28.720 one but two brothers played So I spent my weekends in hockey rinks as a 62 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:33.120 little kids, following them around to tournaments and oh my god. And then 63 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:36.680 after the games we'd spend the rest of the day in the emergency room, 64 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:40.920 you know, for the broken arm or the stitches. I mean, so 65 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.360 growing up, I was like, no, no, there will be no 66 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.839 sports. I never watched them on TV. Never. I remember when I 67 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.879 started dating my husband, like, you're not into sports, are you? 68 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:54.160 Because I just And when I had a son, I was like, look, 69 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:57.360 here's the thing. He can't play hockey. I don't care if he 70 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.360 begs me, he can't. I can't. I can't spend my time in 71 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.279 hockey rinks. Thank goodness, he's not into hockey. He is a boxer. 72 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:09.319 But so I didn't. I didn't watch it for any of the sports 73 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.120 at all. I just had heard, well, I loved Jason Szadakis, 74 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.439 and so I thought, okay, let's give it a shot. And then 75 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.439 we loved it. We binged it so fast that we were kind of bummed 76 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.120 because we ran out. We watched both seasons. I was like, oh 77 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:28.600 no, so so yeah, I really really love it. I love the 78 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:33.240 spirit of the show. I sort of feel like the world needs shows like 79 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:36.360 this, you know, the things that remind us, how we're all the 80 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:42.279 same and not so different. And I think that's that's why I loved it. 81 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:46.399 Was there a particular moment in the show for you that you were like, 82 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:49.120 Oh, I'm definitely gonna stick with this. No, it was right, 83 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:53.560 it was right off the top. I just loved it. I loved 84 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:59.079 the characters, and what I loved about them was nobody ended up being as 85 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.600 they seemed when you first met them. So you meet these characters and you 86 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.240 make assumptions about them, and I think that's on purpose. It's based on 87 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:11.000 how they dressed or how they present themselves, and so you think they're going 88 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:15.079 to be one thing, and they all turn out to be completely different than 89 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.759 the assumptions that you made. And I think that's really special about the show. 90 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:25.800 I feel like it's a commentary on the state of the world too, 91 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.480 and so I love that they kind of played with that a little bit. 92 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.560 And I think too, for you know, theater artists, people who desire, 93 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:36.160 you know, character development. You know, that's sort of what drew 94 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:41.480 me in as well, because you want those characters that aren't just you know, 95 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.160 one note or one dynamic. You want to sort of take them on 96 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.600 a journey and get to know them. So one of the characters that, 97 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:51.680 of course I'm obsessed with, but mainly the person and not the character. 98 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:56.800 Hannah watting him. So, did you know much about her career in musical 99 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:00.240 theater before this? No, because she really didn't do a lot of way. 100 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.879 She only did spam a lot. I think most of her most of 101 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:09.199 her career was in the West End. Right, So she's like amazing, 102 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:15.360 she's she can say, I mean, she's so. She's just so appealing 103 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.439 and perfect and strong, and she can sing like an angel. So now 104 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:24.199 I have followed everything she's done. I you know, went on the deep 105 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.680 dive and watched everything about her right on YouTube. Yeah, she's so, 106 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.279 She's just awesome, just awesome. Yeah. I think I watched the Shaky 107 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.360 Kim video of her singing Send in the Clowns about once a week, just 108 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:42.279 from my own personal fortitude because it's not good Ford therapy. So he watches 109 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.879 that. You what I wanted to say about the characters too. I remember 110 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:53.759 UM seeing an interview with UM all the guys who wrote for Sid Caesar, 111 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.920 which were like the greatest of the greats, right, those TV writers. 112 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.399 It was Neil Simon and his brother and mel Brooks. I mean, these 113 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:07.360 were the guys that sort of Carl Reiner, they formed television and I remember 114 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:13.000 hearing them in an interview talking about when they were first getting into those writers 115 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.079 rooms and what it was like. And they never wrote to the joke. 116 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.839 They always wrote to the character. And I think the difference between really good 117 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:28.120 TV now is some of the sitcomie shows that you watch, pretty much anyone 118 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:33.159 in the cast could say the joke, you know, the quote joke, 119 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.159 and it would be it would just fall as the joke. But character driven 120 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:43.919 shows, you understand the characters so well and you come to love them so 121 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:48.000 much that you anticipate their reaction in the scene. And it's not about the 122 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:54.559 joke. It's about putting these characters that we now know and can predict what 123 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.440 they're going to say or think, putting them in the scene, and that's 124 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.759 what makes the joke, instead of writing out a joke. And I was 125 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.399 always so struck by that, And then you look for shows that can fit 126 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.720 into that. I mean, like All in the Family that you know, 127 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.559 you knew what Archie Barker was going to do before he did it, before 128 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.480 he said the joke, and so I think these shows that and there aren't 129 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:18.240 that many of them, but the ones that are like this, like ted 130 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.360 Lasso, where the characters are so drawn out and you learn something about them 131 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.159 every week, that's what makes the show so special, I think. And 132 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.159 to your point, like they can they can write a joke in the context 133 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.960 for a character like Roy Kent. Just a simple grunt in a different context 134 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.480 is going to draw a certain type of lap for a certain type of reaction 135 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:43.559 out of the characters and the viewers because of the detail that they've put into 136 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:48.159 writing a character like that. Yeah, that's an actor's dream show, I 137 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.840 think, to be on a show. And it really sounds like it too, 138 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.919 Like anytime we've talked to the cast, like everyone seems to have so 139 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.480 much fun making the thing, and I think that that shines through in the 140 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.480 in the final product, like you can see like these people are joyfully creating 141 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:07.200 something together and it's just on top of that, like it makes you feel 142 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.200 happy. It makes you like there are definitely some ups and downs, but 143 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.279 it makes you it leaves you with the overall feeling of like, ah, 144 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.879 I have been my cup has been filed or something. Yeah. Yeah, 145 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:22.960 I think that's right. So kind of staying with our ted Lasso feel good 146 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:28.799 musicals theme, there are many musical theater references. I would say many in 147 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.399 a show that is primarily ostensibly based on a professional men's soccer team. So 148 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.440 what were some of the like favorites of yours or like one that you found 149 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.799 particularly deep cut? Like of the several references that we've had, did you 150 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.240 have a favorite. I love the Roy Scheider one where you know, you 151 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.840 think he's talking about Jaws, but he's talking about all that jazz. Love 152 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.879 that that was early too, that was like first or second episode. But 153 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.279 I mean, I love any show that's gonna do little musical theater reference. 154 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.600 Like the other show that does it a lot too, is The Newsroom. 155 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:05.320 Yes, we love always always dropping in musical theater, his musical theater. 156 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.679 Yes, totally, totally. So I love all the shows that hide those 157 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.919 little musical theater easter eggs, you know. But I like that he did 158 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.080 obscure things to like you know, Gergeman funny face, you know, like 159 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.759 most people won't know, yeah who that is, But I don't know, 160 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.039 but I think, you know, I think the essence of the show is 161 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.639 musical theater. Yes, I really do. I don't think it's about sports 162 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.360 as much as it is about the unity of musical theater. You know. 163 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.480 Maybe that's just because that's how I that's the lens through which I see my 164 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.759 whole world, right, so do we well? And I think for for 165 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:46.879 those of us who are attuned to those types of story beats and that that 166 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.600 style of storytelling, like it's so easy for us to identify those plot points 167 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.759 or those story beats, right, Like it feels like these seasons that we've 168 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.440 had that one has kind of focused majorly on the development of Rebecca and then 169 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:03.879 one is really focused majorly on negative development of Nate. Like you sort of 170 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.840 had these two contrasting arcs. But you know, it was easy for me 171 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.200 to kind of, you know, put that into like to imagine, like 172 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.080 this could be a musical like this, like the arcs that are here, 173 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.759 the the I wants, like these big numbers, they always have like a 174 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.799 heavy hitting episode right before the end, like they're structured even in a similar 175 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:26.639 way. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, just like it's really 176 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:28.360 true, and it's funny because you know, I mean, when you think 177 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.000 of sports, it's like it's very tribalistic, you know, it's people want 178 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:37.159 want to have an affiliation with something. It's usually um, you know, 179 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:41.200 I mean, there's always a winner and a loser that you're and it's it's 180 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:50.159 aggressive and it's so so to bring the sweetness of musical theater and the you 181 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.320 know, almost sappy sugariness of musical theater into that atmosphere, I think is 182 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.480 just really brilliant, you know, because you have all of these aggressive sports 183 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:05.120 guys knowing these references like you know, his the silent the coach who hardly 184 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.759 ever speaking beard. Yeah right, So that like the fact that he just 185 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:15.399 comes out with them cracks me up because just like it's not the guy you 186 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.840 expect is going to know, you know, Gershwin, Right. So I 187 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.759 just love that. I think it's such a great little twist in the show. 188 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:24.360 Yeah. Well, we we've talked a lot on our show, both 189 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.279 in our episode discussions and with some of our guests about the ways in which 190 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:35.360 Ted Lasso the show sort of subverts or flips masculinity on its head, like 191 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:43.360 you're taking this hyper masculine expression of professional exactly and through the writing, not 192 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.120 only just like what is said, but the way it's delivered, and the 193 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.639 characters that deliver it, like you said, like they're doing something really interesting 194 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:54.960 too. What does it look like for a bunch of what we must assume 195 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.320 are sort of like cis Head presenting men to kind of embody like this whole 196 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:03.519 version of them elves where they are professional athletes, where they are professional coaches, 197 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.919 but yet like they're going to talk about Gershwin, they're going to talk 198 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.639 about and they're talking about the Jets and the Sharks, right, you know, 199 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:15.440 they're talking about well and exactly exactly and even Roy taking yoga class with 200 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.080 yes, yes, all of these things that are not typically male. Right. 201 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.879 So that like my son, like I said, he's a boxer and 202 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:24.480 I'm constantly trying to get him into yoga, and the only way I can 203 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.320 do it is to sort of say, well, how good it is, 204 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:28.879 how much better it'll make him as a boxer, right, because you have 205 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.559 to kind of do it as like from the male perspective um. And I 206 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.960 love that. I love that they take what could be you know, quote 207 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:43.600 typically male behaviors and they flip it on the head where you never expect these 208 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.039 things to come out of them, And that I think I think it's a 209 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:52.759 really brilliant piece of writing and and a brilliant little trick that they use in 210 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.279 the show that really works, and the lines are delivered convincingly enough that someone 211 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:03.080 or someone's in that writer's room are particularly well versed in musical theater totally, 212 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.759 like someone who I don't know who it is. I know Jason has a 213 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:07.799 commented on it, but I don't know if it's just bred Goldstein or all 214 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.320 of them, Like there's just someone in there really knows their stuff. Well, 215 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:15.320 it's funny. I wonder if it's a Saturday Night Live thing because now 216 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:20.279 the other two from Saturday Night Live are doing the schmigadoon I love we Love 217 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:26.919 can't wait for schoo we just yeah, I can't wait. Yeah. So 218 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:31.159 maybe it's um maybe at the in the because they're always doing little musical bits 219 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.679 on Saturday Night Lives. So it could be that just the culture in those 220 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.480 writing rooms is very much that, you know, part of just the proximity 221 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.679 to Broadway, like I mean, if you're living and working in New York 222 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.480 with all those other creative folks, like right right, yeah, totally. 223 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:50.279 So is there a musical theater reference that you would love to see happen in 224 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:56.240 season three. Yeah, Kimberly a Kimbo, Yeah obviously. Yeah, it's 225 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:02.840 hilarious, and you know, it's kind of the same to feel good show 226 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.759 like Ted Lasso is. It's that you got to have a dream, you 227 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:11.759 gotta believe that eternal optimism that no matter what happens, you keep coming back 228 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:15.559 to it. It's it's got a lot of parallels and it's hysterically funny. 229 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:21.360 But well, I feel like I'm surprised that um Ted and Company have not 230 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.080 made um This is a little bit of a deep cut, but stay with 231 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:27.279 me. They have not made a reference to the Goo Goo Dolls song Iris 232 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.200 yet that I can remember on the show. And that is like on the 233 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:34.039 website for Kimberly A Kimbo, Like that's in her like senior picture, like 234 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.720 or her yearbook quote is like from Google Dolls. And I was like, 235 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.879 that could almost be a sideways reference if only they had done it, because 236 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.759 I'm like, I just feel like Ted and Beard like they all know, 237 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.720 like they know the Google Dolls, Like I'm just surprised that the reference hasn't 238 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.679 popped. I haven't done any Sondheim yet either, which that's a little shocking. 239 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.080 I mean, well, I mean I guess west Side, but yeah, 240 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:57.480 there's just a lot of um, there's a lot of Ted seems like 241 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.600 someone he's so wholesome, he's most of his references are just going to be 242 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.119 golden Golden Age musicals. Yeah you can't, really, yeah, you can't 243 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:11.839 voting Sweeney, Todd, Rogers, BLUs, Learner, and Low. So 244 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.559 yes, well, I want to go to some of your some of your 245 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.680 creative endeavors that we mentioned in the intro. But you mentioned Kimberly A Kimbo 246 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:26.440 because you and the Broadway Icon Leshauns have co founded a production company that is 247 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.759 staging that. Correct. Oh no, no, no, um we Leshauns 248 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:37.319 and I started Team of Productions right as COVID hit, So we founded it 249 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:42.039 and then COVID hit and everything just died. And during COVID she started doing 250 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:48.119 some work with M. David Stone and it was David that brought her into 251 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.720 Kimberly A Kimbo. I'm just an investor in Kimberly Kimbo and that's through Leshots. 252 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:56.440 So she's a lead producer. Well, she's a co producer, okay 253 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.440 on that. So we're looking into a few a few new shows that we're 254 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.359 going to start bringing in in the next couple of years. She and I 255 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.279 under Teama. Yeah, okay, So thank you for clearing up my confusion 256 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:12.319 about your involvement with Kimberly A Kimbo. But one thing that you do produce 257 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:18.400 is your podcast called Stages Podcast. You are co producer, executive producer, 258 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.119 and co host with your longtime pal Stephane J. Block. So, stephan 259 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:29.279 and I we did Will Rogers Follies together, I would say thirty years ago. 260 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:32.880 We were in the middle of Branson, Missouri with Pat Boone in the 261 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:37.000 lead Wow, and I was Betty Blake and she was Zi's fave and we 262 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.480 shared a dressing room and we literally we were We were the odd couple, 263 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:45.880 you know. Her half of the dressing room was completely in order, everything 264 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.359 tidy, not a thing out of place, you know, and folded just 265 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.960 right. And my side of the dressing rooms like crap everywhere, bras hanging 266 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:00.200 from door handles, like pictures just stuck on the walls like and I don't 267 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.839 know how she survived me. We were so different and when the show ended 268 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:07.519 we loved each other though. We got along so well and when the show 269 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.440 ended. For a long long time, we used to write letters, you 270 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.839 know, because it was before their work computers, it was before there was 271 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:18.960 any of that stuff. And we have these handwritten letters that we used to 272 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.319 write. And she would always sign her handwritten letters with like hearts and flowers 273 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:27.599 and you know, butterflies and kisses, and I would sign mine, You're 274 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.519 such a freak, I love you. And that's how I would sign all 275 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:36.440 my letters to her. And we just stayed friends for years. They said, 276 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.559 while were we lost touch because again there was no internet. We kind 277 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:45.000 of lost each other somewhere along the way and then hooked up again. And 278 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.240 I was a little older than her, so I would sort of I got 279 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:51.920 married first, I had my kid first, and so when she was stepping 280 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:53.079 into those parts of her life, she would kind of call me and be 281 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.559 like, so let's talk about this, you know. And so then when 282 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:02.279 COVID hit, they had a little one, and they moved out to California 283 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:06.160 because she had family out there and they wanted their daughter views to be able 284 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:11.240 to go to school outside. And she would she would send me Marco polos, 285 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.799 you know, Marco Polos were kind of coming and I was like, 286 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.440 what is this Marco polo thing? And so we would go back and forth, 287 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.000 and she was struggling, and I was struggling in my own way. 288 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.119 At one point, I have four dogs because I have issues and I can't 289 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:30.000 stop rescuing dogs. All of them got mange. And so she would call 290 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.000 me and she was complaining about something and I would just Marco polo her back 291 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:38.200 and look in the camera, go mange and hang out. And so one 292 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.480 day I just said, you know, Steph, we should do a podcast. 293 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:47.240 We should talk to all of our friends because I'm sure they're all struggling 294 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.839 because everything creative has just been pulled out from underneath them, and we should 295 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:53.960 talk about it, like how do you get through that? What do you 296 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:59.519 discover when when creativity is gone? Right? You know, there's a concept 297 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:03.519 in yoga where I wish I could remember the name of it off the top 298 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.119 of my head, and I can't, but it's the essence of it is 299 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.720 to be without. So you push all the air out of your lungs and 300 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:12.799 you create a vacuum, and you see if you can sit inside the vacuum. 301 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:18.759 Because we're so unaccustomed to ever being without, but there's a lot of 302 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.440 peace to be found in those places. And I said, why don't we 303 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:27.559 discover that? Like what happens when we're without our creative feed? How do 304 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:32.480 we discover it inside that vacuum for ourselves? And how does it make you 305 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:34.720 grow? And you know, let's talk. We have so many friends, 306 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.359 like, let's talk to them, like for real, not what are you 307 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.160 working on? Not oh what show are you in? But where are you 308 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.720 in your life? And how did you get there? And what was your 309 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.759 biggest failure? And what did you learn and how did it make you better? 310 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.839 And so she was like, let's let's do it. And so she 311 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.839 called me a couple of days later and said let's call it stages. And 312 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:59.599 I was like, oh, okay, I love it. And then I 313 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.160 said to her, look, if you're serious, give me three weeks and 314 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:06.960 I will get it all set up. And I tend to get hyper focused 315 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.359 on things, and so hung up the phone. And three weeks later, 316 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:14.599 I had contracts drawn up and our first three guests scheduled, and I had 317 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.720 a theme song written by a couple of composers and I had figured out how 318 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:19.279 to edit, and I was like, well, let's do it, and 319 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:25.880 we just jumped in. And that summer we went to Africa together because my 320 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.799 husband works in Rwanda, so I go to Rwanda a lot. And I 321 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.759 brought her and her child and her husband to Africa and we did interviews there. 322 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.640 We talked to a guerrilla doctor and artists and Africa, and it was 323 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:45.960 just it just sort of snowballed into this wonderful thing that was so surprising how 324 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.920 much we both ended up loving it. Where it was just something to sort 325 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.319 of fill the space and learn something about ourselfs and it turned out to be 326 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:59.680 this It's like a gift for me and for both of us, I think, 327 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.039 And yeah, and we just got picked up by iHeartRadio, so we're 328 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.920 with them now, and so it's just it's just turned out to be such 329 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:11.440 a great, great thing that I adore. Well. I was going to 330 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.799 say props on the name, because I love the sort of like double meaning 331 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:18.920 of it, like stages, because most of you, both of you, 332 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:22.559 and a lot of the folks that you talk to are professional stage performers in 333 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.240 some way or other. And it's also about like the stages of life. 334 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.440 Like what's the line of the theme song is like love the stage. You're 335 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:33.839 in or something. What is love where you are now? Love where you 336 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:36.000 are now? Right? Like, yeah, and I'd love that you get 337 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:40.640 to talk to people from kind of across the gamut. You have folks some 338 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.759 of the you have some very well established what I would call Broadway A listers 339 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.039 who have appeared on the show. One of whom it would be Britt's absolute 340 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:55.079 voice crush, Gavin Creel. Oh, okay, I we talk about Gavin 341 00:23:55.119 --> 00:24:00.880 Crerel. First episode was incredible. She is dreamy, Oh yeah, dreamy 342 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.799 retweeting and he's so kind and sweet and I just fell in love with him 343 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.319 out But you know, I have to say, there are so many guests 344 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.960 I hang up and I'm just like, I just love them. Jason Alexander 345 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.519 was one of them. I said to my husband, I'm telling you, 346 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:22.279 he was so surprising, what a joy he was and how kind and deep 347 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.839 and I just I can't even go go on and like Showshana Bean was another 348 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:32.559 one who I was totally surprised. It's just how cool and awesome she is. 349 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.440 Yeah, there's Gavin Creel though, come on, well, I think 350 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:41.000 that's one of the things like that really makes doing this project for us really 351 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.799 fulfilling. Is that there are there. I mean, I'm always like excited 352 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.119 about every guest we talked to, and then almost always I come away from 353 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.039 a conversation with a guest thinking, you know, I'll think back to those 354 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:53.960 episodes about something someone said and I'll be like, man, like, that 355 00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:57.039 was just such a good conversation. And that's one of the reasons I love 356 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:00.319 this medium, and I love that you sort of you'all sort of have a 357 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.839 theme where you're talking with creative folks, and so I think that really jives 358 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.160 with the ted Lasso fandom, at least a large portion of it, because 359 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.759 the show is generative, Like I think it's one of those shows that makes 360 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.480 people want to create. You know, there's so many little like fan things 361 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.319 that people have made, whether it's media like we do or actual physical things 362 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:25.000 like shirts or key chains or crochet, like there's just all sorts of really 363 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.079 neat stuff that the show produces. And that's true with a lot of fandoms. 364 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:32.759 But I feel like there's a really special community that has grown organically from 365 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:37.079 ted Lasso in that way, and it's it's just allowed us to really connect 366 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.880 with a lot of folks that have really can connect it to their disciplines in 367 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.319 such interesting and creative ways. You know what I think it is. I 368 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.160 think the thing about ted Lasso is it, like I think we might have 369 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.720 touched on this a little earlier, is it. It focuses on all the 370 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:55.960 ways that we're alike. Yes, you know it, and it does so 371 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:03.920 in a really honest way that shows vulnerability in the characters and forgiveness in the 372 00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:08.920 characters. And I think next season is going to be a lot about forgiveness 373 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:14.359 when we dive into Nate. Yeah, I hope so really a little irritated 374 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.519 with Nate, yes, but yeah, I think that's what it is. 375 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:23.480 I think I think the country has been so divisive for so long, and 376 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:30.240 I think people are exhausted by division, and I think, um, shows 377 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.480 like ted Lasso that reminds us that we're all the same, We're all one, 378 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:41.920 you know. Um. There's this really interesting concept where I've talked about 379 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:47.519 it on my podcast before, but I think it's relevant. When you look 380 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:53.000 at a field of aspen trees, it's not separate trees. If you can 381 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:57.559 look at a grove, it's one tree. It's one root system, and 382 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:03.200 it's such a powerful root system that if there's a forest fire, it can 383 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.559 wipe out the whole growth, but if there's one shoot remaining, it can 384 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.640 go in and regenerate the entire grove from one little shoot through that root system. 385 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:18.880 But the other side of that is if one of those shoots gets like 386 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.240 a sooty fungus, it'll go into the root system and wipe everything out. 387 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:30.200 And in yoga terms, the highest chakra is the one that is supposed to 388 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:34.839 remind us of that connection all the time. And shows like ted Lasso made 389 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:40.680 a conscious decision of what they're going to feed into that root system yep. 390 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:47.319 And then there are shows that make a conscious decision for profit or a more 391 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:51.200 profit right when they put something negative out into the world. And so I 392 00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:59.000 love shows that dare to be vulnerable and honest and show how we're alike and 393 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.279 feed something really positive into that root system because we all really need that. 394 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.200 Yeah, I'm glad you touched on that. I'm you know, Yes, 395 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:14.119 lots of things have been so divisive, and especially with COVID, was a 396 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:19.480 really big struggle for creative people. And you can maybe imagine for people like 397 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:26.400 us who live in the middle of the country, especially when you don't necessarily 398 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:33.480 fit with the majority philosophical minority. Yes, you know that that can be 399 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.720 really isolating and difficult, and so I think this project for us, and 400 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.720 really sort of the niche that is ted Lasso fandom on the Internet, was 401 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:49.039 really therapeutic for us because there is something you know, drawing attention to kindness 402 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.920 and empathy and understanding and trying to meet people where they are and understanding that 403 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.640 you know, people are acting out of a place of hurt or other things. 404 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:02.759 And I think, like as as a creative myself, you know, 405 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:08.079 always trying to understand motivations behind things rather than just acts themselves. Right, 406 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:14.119 And so I know you all talk with your guests on your show about art 407 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.880 and creativity and sort of how they can be pathways into healing a community. 408 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.400 Right. So I know you've touched on a little bit, But do you 409 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.799 see some more of those threads leading back to ted Lasso or what do you 410 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.960 really want to see with forgiveness? I guess in season three, like I 411 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.720 said, I'm really kind of mad at Nate, but I think that the 412 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:40.880 show talks a lot about those connections. I mean, I think the show's 413 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:48.640 the shows that every character has given an example of fearlessness right where and forgiveness 414 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.759 where Ted He's fearless enough to let his wife go, let his family go, 415 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.680 because it was better for her than it was for him. And you 416 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:03.920 know, Roy Kent is so fearless to show his soft side with Keily and 417 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:11.720 his little niece and to step into what's next after leaving such a legendary career, 418 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.000 you know, right, And it takes a certain amount of fearlessness to 419 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.279 believe, you know, in the big sign that he has up on his 420 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:23.240 wall, especially when all the signs tell you not to right. It takes 421 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.319 it takes that kind of courage to say, no, I know what the 422 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:30.200 truth is in my heart, you know. Yeah, I mean look at 423 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.359 Keily too. She's facing fears all the time. She's the most fearless one 424 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.480 of them all. I think, Yes, I think Keily might be my 425 00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.079 favorite. She your favorite? Yes, definitely my legage. I definitely saw 426 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:42.480 someone in post say that they were setting her up for her own spin off 427 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:47.400 called even Keilely because she has her life together so much, and I was 428 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.640 like, I would watch it. But see that's what I mean too. 429 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.079 When you first see that character, you have no idea, like you just 430 00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.839 think, especially in the first episode she played as like such a wag. 431 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:02.799 She played she looks so like sort of vapid and one dimensional, and then 432 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.720 all of a sudden your mind is blown and you're like, oh, yeah, 433 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.599 kills the coolest as Christian has put it on our show, like Kiely 434 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.160 sees the matrix like she just she's got she she understands things like on a 435 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.119 on an instinctual level that a lot of the characters don't. I think I 436 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.880 don't know anyway. I forget where I was going with all of the fearless 437 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.319 talk and stuff. But but I I think, um, I think it's 438 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.920 such a great show, and I do think it's what like the world needs 439 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:37.880 now more things like that. Yeah, I want to switch gears a little 440 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.240 bit, or at least transition to something that we've touched on but haven't fully 441 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.480 explored. So you are like a registered yoga instructor. Correct. Yeah. 442 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.359 When my when I had my son, I didn't have the kind of career 443 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.880 where like Leashants or Stephanie, I could stay in New York and sort of 444 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.880 get shows on broadways as readily as they could. I was always on the 445 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:06.680 road, and I had seen too many examples of you know, kids in 446 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.000 hotel rooms with one eight hundred babysitters and you know, and I just knew, 447 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:16.039 being an Italian that I wouldn't trust anybody. But you're Italian too, 448 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.160 Yeah, I wouldn't trust anybody to I mean, to watch my kid. 449 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.039 I just wouldn't. My mom and my husband, that's who watched my kid. 450 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.920 And so I decided, Okay, I'm going to be home for a 451 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:34.000 few years with this boy, and what else do I really love? And 452 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.039 I love yoga nice. So while I was pregnant with him, I got 453 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.799 my raiki certification so he'd get all that mojo. And then once he was 454 00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.160 born, I got my yoga certifications and started teaching. And it was a 455 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.559 great way to get out of the house and be in control of my own 456 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.599 schedule and yet get to be home with him and not be on the road 457 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.440 and not be traveling. And I did a few little you know, commercials 458 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:59.839 or little show here, a little show there. But but we didn't live 459 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.599 in New York because all of his cousins were here in Massachusetts, and I 460 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.359 wanted him to be raised with cousins, especially being in only so uh yeah, 461 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.799 so I stepped away for a while and stepped into um learning a lot 462 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.720 about yoga. And I've been studying the Chakras for probably ten years before that 463 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:22.960 anyway. So yeah, so it just seemed like the perfect thing to do 464 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.880 where I could have some control over my world and my schedule and be at 465 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.519 home with my son. And like you mentioned, we know that Roy Kent 466 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.200 is very into doing yoga with a group of moms who have no idea who 467 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.200 he is. So one day Roy Kent could stroll into your yoga studio. 468 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:45.079 And you know the sad thing is some local uh you know, Bruins or 469 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:51.559 Celtic Star could walk into my yoga vass and I would have no idea. 470 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.599 Well, so what you're saying is that storyline is completely plausible that Roy Kent 471 00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.440 could go to I just I don't I just don't know. I have a 472 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:07.799 funny story about when I was in college, I got this internship with the 473 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.519 guys who would bring all the cameras and all the equipment into the Boston Garden. 474 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.360 And this is when the Boston Garden was like the Old Garden, and 475 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.719 it was when the Celtics were like Larry Bird, and you know that dream 476 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:28.199 team, and I used to go and sit at the table right on the 477 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.519 floor, and I'd have the headsets and I'd grew up the commercials and the 478 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.440 interviews and this and that, and I didn't know who any of these guys 479 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.239 were, could not have cared less about any of it. My friends wanted 480 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.639 to kill me. It could be like, I can't believe you're sitting on 481 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.840 the sidelines. I'm like, I don't even watch the game. So my 482 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.000 brother said that one day he was watching like a best of Larry Bird video 483 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.920 and he said, Larry Bird's running down the court. Everybody's on their feet, 484 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.000 they're screaming, they're all going insane, and the camera pans and you're 485 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:05.719 at the table up and through a magazine. I wanted to climb through the 486 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:10.159 television and strangle you. And I was like, I just couldn't be bothered. 487 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.559 That drop didn't last long. Yeah, that's amazing, very well. 488 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.559 So, Yeah, any Celtics player come sit in my yoga room and I 489 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.440 wouldn't know who the hell they were. That is good to know, to 490 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:28.039 be confirmed the plausibility of that, brilliant. I feel so much more connected 491 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.880 to you to as well, knowing you're an Italian. My maiden name is 492 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:38.320 Georgettie. So nice, mine's graffio. Yeah, nice, I don't know 493 00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:42.840 what it is about, Like when Italians find out someone else's Italian. It's 494 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.840 just like, I don't know. It's a sisterhood based yeah, the pride. 495 00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:53.360 It's like when Texans find out there, Oh, Bret goal um Well, 496 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.719 And one more thing I wanted to mention about your your expertise in yoga 497 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.719 is that you often relate things in your episodes with guests like you. There 498 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.400 are lots like you have done today, There are there are practices in yoga 499 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:08.519 that you can pull out and kind of relate to those stories that they tell. 500 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.760 Yeah. One of the favorites I think was maybe in the episode with 501 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.039 Leashants you talked about and you may do this in multiple episodes, but you 502 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:22.760 mentioned the idea of sun culpa and you sort of like, we're suggesting I'm 503 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.199 not sure if I'm using this term right, but like a sun kulpa for 504 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:29.760 her or for someone. And I was wondering, is there a character on 505 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.679 ted last I maybe explain what a sun coulpa is? And then is there 506 00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.199 a character on ted Lasso that you would like to adopt a son copa. 507 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.000 A sun Kalpa is sort of like a New Year's resolution in a way, 508 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:51.199 except um New Year's resolutions sort of hint that we're not good enough, right, 509 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.039 so you have to give up chocolate or give up alcohol, or lose 510 00:36:54.159 --> 00:37:00.239 weight or be better or you know, so that in itself implies that you're 511 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.960 not enough, You're not good enough, and you have to do something to 512 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.840 be better. A son Kalpa is based on the knowledge that you are enough, 513 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:14.360 You are already whole, and that everything you desire already exists in the 514 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.480 world and all you need to do is call it to your life. So 515 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:22.719 I wrote an article called a Revolution and Resolutions, and I lay it out 516 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.239 like in seven steps, like how you set us on colpa. And one 517 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:32.159 of the first steps is is that it's a packed between you and your spirit. 518 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.559 So you actually don't discuss your son coppa with anybody. And one of 519 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.599 the reasons you don't is because when you so, if I were going to 520 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:46.320 say to you, my son Kalpa is to get into great shape this year, 521 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:50.800 and your reaction is, oh my god, you already look amazing, 522 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:52.920 Right, I've already gotten what I needed. So now I don't do the 523 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.159 work to get to the goal right because I'm getting the feedback that I want. 524 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.880 So you don't. You don't discuss your son kalpas a. It's a 525 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:06.760 private pact between you and your spirit. And so one of the things that 526 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.679 it sort of asks of you is every action that you do, does it 527 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.920 further your sun kopa or does it take away from your sunkopa? And if 528 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.480 in the moment it takes away, it's okay. As long as that's a 529 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:22.199 conscious choice. You're aware of your choice. You're not mindlessly doing things that 530 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:28.039 to undermine whatever yr sounkopa is. And the other thing about it is it 531 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.280 has to be written in the positive present tense because simply by saying I want 532 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:37.920 to or I will or you know this will happen, what that's signaling is 533 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:43.159 that you want it because you don't have it, or it will happen because 534 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.559 it hasn't happened for you yet. So the law of the universe is like 535 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:53.920 attracts like. So if you put negative out, negative is all that you 536 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:59.840 can receive. So all sun kalpas are written in the positive present tense. 537 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:07.360 So you know, I am spending my time with like minded friends who are 538 00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:13.760 creative and supportive and love me unconditionally. Not I'm going to find new friends 539 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.159 that are creatively right. So it's positive, present tense, and then you 540 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.440 have to make space in your body and your mind and your spirit and in 541 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.360 your home even to welcome those things in. So it's about letting go of 542 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:29.079 clutter, letting go of things that don't work for you anymore. So somen 543 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.639 colpers are deeply personal. So I don't know if I could set Yeah, 544 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.239 no, it doesn't seem like I could. We could only speculate about someone's 545 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.079 son. Well, when you were talking about that, it made me think 546 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:45.480 of sort of the work that Rebecca did and last the second season, especially 547 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.239 where she became a much healthier version of herself. And she did that by 548 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:55.000 embracing a support system, Like she went from being very alone, completely isolated, 549 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.679 right, angry and angry and sadness, yes, all of the things, 550 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.119 to just that little bit of that little that fence that Ted Lasso said 551 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.760 he hopped over was just enough for her to open herself back up and to 552 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.719 allow these people who care about her to support her, like whether it's Ted 553 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.800 and Beard, the players, Sam Higgins, like you have all these folks 554 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.039 around her now, keyely, Yeah, how could I forget? You know, 555 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.679 like so and now just being open to that, like you see the 556 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.760 joy back in her life and sort of the full right. And she's not 557 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.440 doing this team in the negative to bring revenge upon her ex husband who's a 558 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.679 dick, but she's doing it because she loves these people around her and wants 559 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.000 them to succeed. Yeah, oh man, Yeah, And see that's the 560 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.760 beauty of the show too, rite is that they of course they built in 561 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:50.280 the drama of her sort of sabotaging everything, but then how she sees the 562 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:53.440 good and then chooses the good, you know. And the other thing too 563 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:59.079 is them just by Ted having his beliefs sign up there shows me that he, 564 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:00.719 you know, he might not already know what a sun calpe is. 565 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.840 M. That's I was also thinking about that when you were talking about it 566 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.960 too. Yeah, he already he already knows how to manifest those things. 567 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:15.519 It's clear right because he manifested, He manifested a team out of nothing, 568 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.039 right out of a lot of division, manifested this unit. And it ties 569 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.320 back to something that y'all talk about on your show often, is like how 570 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.599 one of the one of the things that always strikes people when they start Ted 571 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:34.599 Lasso season one is the way that Ted is not afraid of intimacy, of 572 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.480 of you know, of relationships and that how that inherently can build community and 573 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.880 he does that, and y'all talk about proximity as a way to sort of 574 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:51.159 generate understanding and empathy and to build relationships, and so that was just something 575 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.480 that really struck me listening to several of your conversations, is you know, 576 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.480 they're in a they're in a soccer space, so it's not necessarily a creative 577 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.679 space maybe as much as like artistic creative endeavor, but in the same way, 578 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.920 like there's this community around this thing that as those relationships are built, 579 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.159 Like, vulnerability is so so important, and that's really like the thing that 580 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:16.559 Ted Lasso the character does is he sort of makes vulnerability okay, and then 581 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.880 like all the ways that people react to that are very interesting. It's really 582 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:24.079 interesting though, is that he's not that vulnerable when he's first coming on and 583 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.199 coming in and meeting people, right Like, he yeah, first in the 584 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.400 room. He wants to bring other people together, he wants other people to 585 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.840 be vulnerable, but he doesn't reveal anything about himself, which is why he 586 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.920 has his panic attack. And then eventually when he gets into see the therapist, 587 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:44.960 which I also love that they are making it so discussable, you know 588 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.079 that, yeah, therapy is great, and yes people have panic attack, 589 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.639 you know. But anyway, he doesn't start out ever showing his own vulnerability. 590 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.079 He comes to that much later. He sort of forces it out of 591 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.840 other people, almost deflecting so that he doesn't have to show his Yeah, 592 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.159 it's like he sort of he sort of like um takes a shortcut by using 593 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.320 that proximity and kind of like he will get up in someone's business, making 594 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:15.119 them uncomfortable enough to then be vulnerable, whether they meant to or not. 595 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.400 And then he's at least emotionally intelligent enough to know how to use that as 596 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.400 a way to ultimately have like a positive outcome. But yes, there are 597 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.840 certainly things about the way that he does that, now that we know more 598 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.039 about him from season two and sort of his what he's wrestling with on the 599 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.559 inside, that made that It certainly complicated it and made it more you know, 600 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.440 some of the aspects of it more troubling, But you see the net 601 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.639 gain of it as the people around him have opened up to one another. 602 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.000 Right right, Yeah, we loved Ted. We do. One of the 603 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:51.760 things I love about your podcast is that you end every discussion with like five 604 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.239 quick questions, and one of the ones you almost always ask, if not 605 00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:00.400 always, is if you were a nail polish, like what or would it 606 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.960 be? And what would you call it? Like? What quirky name would 607 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.360 you give the nail polish? So I'm wondering is there a character as you 608 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.320 ponder that question that you post to your guests, is there a character that 609 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:14.679 strikes you as would have a cutesy, funky, quirky nail polish named after 610 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.199 them? And what would it be like? Um? Well, I mean 611 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.199 I want to do Keilely because I love Keily, but I could do any 612 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.920 one of them. If you are great, Keyley, I would say Keily 613 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.760 would be It would definitely be like Pink and Sparkly, because that's what Kiely 614 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.519 does write the Pink and Sparkley. But I think we would call it badass 615 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.440 Barbie. Oh she seems like a Barbie when you meet her, but she's 616 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:44.119 not. She's a badass. Yes, I'm buying that nail polish tomorrow. 617 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:49.400 I love that. Yeah, Mary Lee, thank you so much for coming 618 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.280 on and chatting about one of our favorite shows with us. Thank you for 619 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:58.000 asking how nice I love talking musical theater anytime, anytime. Yes, thank 620 00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.679 you so much. It was a pleasure to meet you and just to you 621 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.760 know, talk about being vulnerable and creativity and how we can make the world 622 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:10.400 a better place, even you know, in this strange medium that's microphones and 623 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:14.679 computers. No, I know, I love it. I love it. 624 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.480 I think it's a great way to connect with people. 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