WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:09.560 Welcome to Stories of Special Forces Operators Podcast. Listen to some of the bravest 2 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:20.800 and toughest people on the planet share their stories, Sit back and enjoy. 3 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:29.160 Welcome back everyone. Today we have another great guest, Kyle Lamb. He 4 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.679 retired from the US Army, but that's not the whole story. As you'd 5 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.679 probably imagine, he has been in the military since the age of twenty four. 6 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.000 He went on to serve in a special unit, one of the most 7 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:43.200 elite special operations unit in the military. He went on to serve there for 8 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:48.320 fifteen years, with deployments to Somalia, Bosnia, and Iraq on multiple occasions. 9 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:53.000 He's also offered two books on topics ranging from markmanship to leadership, and 10 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.240 then he founded Viking Tactics, Inc. Which we're going to be talking about 11 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:58.920 as well today. So we'll talk about his stories, what got him into 12 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:03.479 the military, his time during the military, share some stories there a little 13 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:07.640 bit of situational awareness for everybody and his company Fighting Tactics. So before we 14 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:10.920 get started, folks, make sure to share, subscribe, and hit that 15 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.359 like button and go visit in Fighting Tactics dot com. So let's not waste 16 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.079 any more time. Welcome to the show. Mister Kyle, am welcome, 17 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.920 sir, hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, and one just one 18 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:23.159 tiny correction there. I went in the army. Is I went in the 19 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.680 army at eighteen years old? Eighteen okay, so yeah, yeah's right. 20 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.879 Leeds was coming in the especially for twenty four. Yeah, and then I 21 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.560 got into the unit when I was twenty four. So it's uh, yeah, 22 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:38.280 time flies and you're having fun. I suppose absolutely. I guess the 23 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.879 free first question is I'm always curious because I know when I've asked a lot 24 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.000 of other operators in the past, what motivated you? I hear this resonating 25 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.640 theme, So I guess I'll throw it out to you first. I keep 26 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:53.640 hearing Green Berain movie a lot of times on the John Wayne movie. Did 27 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.879 that have any impact? Was the parents? Was a discipline? What motivated 28 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.079 you to get in the army? Well, to get in the army It 29 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.760 wasn't John It wasn't John Wayne. I got in the Army just because I'd 30 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.840 always had been kind of a guy that liked being in the woods and firearms. 31 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.719 I grew up in South Dakota doing a lot of horse riding and hunting, 32 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:16.919 and I Honestly, I was probably scared that I was going to have 33 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:23.639 to farm, and I'm probably not hard enough worker to be a farmer. 34 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.120 Those cats work really, really hard. I know my dad, he was 35 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.719 just He's one of the hardest working people I've ever met. So at that 36 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:34.199 point I wanted adventure, and I thought if I joined the Army, I 37 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.159 would get adventure. And then when I got in the army, the green 38 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:42.199 beret thing then started to kind of bite me. When I got in the 39 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.280 Army, I was a thirty one victor, a tactical communications guy, and 40 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:49.039 I went to the eighty second Airborne as a paratrooper and I'd see these Special 41 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.879 Forces guys walking up and down the road or running up and down the road 42 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.319 at Bragg there, and I was like, man, those guys are pretty 43 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:58.719 awesome. And my wife goes, well you should try that, and I 44 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:00.599 said, oh, I couldn't do that. It was well, you don't 45 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:06.199 know till you try. So then eventually I was in eighty second for about 46 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:08.719 three years and I tried out for SF went to Special Forces Assessment selection, 47 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.599 made that, and then the rest is kind of history. So yeah, 48 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.199 I wish I had a cool story like you know, John Wayne inspired me, 49 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:23.120 but real Green Berets inspired me. It wasn't a pretend dude, which 50 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:27.879 nothing against John Wayne, but it was really cool to see those guys. 51 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.039 And there were some dudes that I shot with on the weekends competitive shooters that 52 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:36.280 were, you know, you kind of had to pull it out of them 53 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.960 that they were even Special Forces guys. They just seemed like good dudes. 54 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.759 They like to shoot. And then when I found that out, I thought, 55 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:44.080 man, I got some questions for these guys and they were just very 56 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.439 low key, and I kind of liked that, so it was it's a 57 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:53.400 pretty easy transition for me. I really enjoyed it. That's a great point. 58 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:54.800 That's one of the things that surprises me the most to say that sorted 59 00:03:54.759 --> 00:04:00.919 at this podcast a couple of months ago. However low key most of you 60 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.759 are. I mean, we've bumped into you in the street and we piss 61 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:06.879 you off. It's going to be a bad day for us that day. 62 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.000 But we have no idea because you guys are so nice. Every time I 63 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.280 interview any of them, everybody's just really cool, calm, And I don't 64 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:17.879 know if that's because of what your skill set that you've learned, the confidence 65 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:23.120 is instilled. That's a question I'll be asking you for sure. Is the 66 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.839 Kyle that went in We know the Kyle that went in at eighteen the military 67 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:30.040 is going to be different for those six years. But the Kyle that went 68 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.839 into Special Forces. Is that guy different after he went through the training. 69 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:41.959 Yeah, I would say maturity is key there. We had to mature a 70 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:46.240 little bit faster than folks that weren't in the military. That's my opinion. 71 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.120 I don't know that because I have never been a civilian until I was, 72 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:54.759 you know, thirty eight thirty nine years old, But I feel like we 73 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.439 were more mature. And when I say more mature, that doesn't mean that 74 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:02.519 we don't get in trouble and drink and do crazy stuff. What I'm saying 75 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.920 is you would expect us to travel around the world and do something for our 76 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:12.759 country with nobody watching us, and do it correctly. That's you know, 77 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.439 that's a lot of weight on your shoulders, really, And I think if 78 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.399 you ask those guys, you know, the other guys that you've talked with, 79 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:24.920 you know, letting down the guys in your left and your right is 80 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:29.319 probably the biggest thing you don't want to do. So when you go out 81 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.199 to do something, it's not that you want to be a hero or anything. 82 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.879 It's that you don't want to let down the men and women that are 83 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.600 on the battlefield. They're with you, and to me that I guess that's 84 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.040 the biggest thing. Now. As far as being low key, I get 85 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.879 pretty wound up sometimes too in certain situations. But overall, I'm I'm a 86 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.759 pretty laid back dude. I like to have a lot of fun, but 87 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:56.560 I I don't know, I don't get I don't get wrapped around the actual 88 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.560 real quickly about things. One of my friends, he had been in the 89 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.439 unit for many years, and he went off to do an adventure race. 90 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:09.399 And during this adventure race, they had these other adventure race people and there 91 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.240 was a had to have a female on their team, and they end up 92 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:16.480 really really lost badly, and he says, hey, you got to stop. 93 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:18.639 I got to figure out where we are on the map so we can, 94 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.959 you know, get going again, and the uh, they were kind 95 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:29.120 of freaking out and they started crying and one of them said, this is 96 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.160 the lowest point in my life. This is the worst time ever. And 97 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.240 he started laughing, and they're like what are you laughing about? You're terrible, 98 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:39.120 you know, And he said, well, this is nowhere near the 99 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:43.759 lowest point in my life. And they all clammed up because they're like, 100 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.040 what has this guy been through? We're out here freezing to death or you 101 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.199 know, we're lost, and he was like, we're not going to die. 102 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:54.439 You're you're okay. You might lose the race, but whatever. Who 103 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:59.160 cares? And I still see people get wrapped around the axle about stuff like 104 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.639 sporting events. Who cares? I mean, it's cool, go cheer for 105 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.519 your team, but people lose their minds. It's like, it's a it's 106 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:10.920 a game. It's you know, I hate to break it to Lebron James, 107 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:15.759 but that moron has to realize he's playing a game and whether he wins 108 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.680 or loses doesn't do anything good for anybody in America. It doesn't protect anybody's 109 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:25.519 lives. It doesn't, you know, change the way Afghanis or Iraqis are 110 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.040 treated. It doesn't help little girls go to school, It doesn't give him 111 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.519 electricity. All it does is put more money in his bank account. So 112 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.759 go play your game and shut up, dude, you know what I mean? 113 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:41.480 Just go do Go play your game. It's so fascinate You've brought that 114 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.680 up, because every podcast I do, whatever one I do, I do 115 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.279 a lot. I know, folks, whatever, But every podcast I do, 116 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.199 I change a little bit as a human being because of the interaction and 117 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.720 the changes that I've seen in myself. Just talking to you individuals who's been 118 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:01.399 through so much in Special Forces. It's phenomenal because that's exactly how I feel 119 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.680 now a lot of times when I look at a problem and I'm thinking, 120 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:09.399 why am I so worried about this one? The guy I interviewed two weeks 121 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:13.439 ago, Ryan stepped on an ID and lost half his leg. Yeah, 122 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.240 and I'm complaining about this. I mean, I bet I could just shut 123 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.439 my mouth and keep moving, but yeah, it keeps popping up in my 124 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.519 head. You're so right about that. Well, I think you know the 125 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.079 other You brought up a good point. And I just wrote an article for 126 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.959 Guns and Ammo and it was for for nine to eleven, the anniversary of 127 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:37.679 nine to eleven, and I talked about my children and my children they grew 128 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:43.720 up in this type of society. So my two kids act different than most 129 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:48.279 kids that are that that are their age. Now, my daughter is thirty 130 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:50.840 two and my son is thirty, so they're a little you know, they're 131 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:56.519 they're growing up. But when they see somebody that's injured, they don't look 132 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.039 at them like they're like they're different. They look at them like, yeah, 133 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.120 that guy got blown up and he's missing a leg or he's disfigured, 134 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.879 but he's still the same person. And I think that, you know, 135 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.399 a lot of America, well a lot of people in the world, that's 136 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.960 what we do. We see somebody walk by that's different than us. You 137 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.120 know, they're missing a leg or they're you know, you can see that 138 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.080 they've been injured, maybe they've been burned badly, they're missing a hand, 139 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.159 whatever it might be, and you look at him like, wow, this 140 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.360 guy's a freak. And what's funny is if my kids, or me or 141 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.720 my wife we see somebody like that. If I see a dude that's missing 142 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.360 a leg and they kind of have that look like they were in the military, 143 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.039 and even if they haven't been, I'm like, so what happened to 144 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.600 you? Man? And I've never had one of those people say none of 145 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:50.360 your business. You know, normally I hit pretty close and the guy's like, 146 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.600 man, I was in Afghanistan. I'm like, oh, man, 147 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.480 I was in the military, and then boom, we're buddies because I know 148 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:58.240 that we're from the same tribe. You know, that doesn't mean you got 149 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.120 to be in the military to be in that same tribe. I can right 150 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.279 away, I can start talking to that person, and guess what, they'll 151 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.639 talk to me because I'm one of them. If somebody comes up, like 152 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:11.720 a news reporter or you know whatever, they're gonna have a little bit more 153 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:18.399 time, hard time getting a story out of that cat because they're they probably 154 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.799 aren't quite they don't want to open up to that person. I guess that's 155 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:24.519 the biggest thing to say. Yeah, you don't know what kind of narrative 156 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.519 they're going to try to spin on it. That's kind to get scary. 157 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.879 And not all journalists, but a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, 158 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.679 a lot of them make it very complicated for everybody. No, it's amazing. 159 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.919 Like I said, I've changed a lot. Just the way and I 160 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.080 remember listening now as you're talking, reminded me also of them. I think 161 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:45.720 it was a huge think he was a marine raider or recon one of the 162 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:50.639 I can't remember, and he was just laughing. Last year when people were 163 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.720 freaking out about the toilet paper, He's like, what's the matter with you? 164 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:56.440 Yeah, you know, I was over in Afghanistan. That's like the 165 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.320 last thing we went looking for. Yeah. I was like, oh, 166 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.000 this is interesting. It's a different mindset. Yeah, and I think that, 167 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.480 you know, that be it being prepared, that preparedness mindset. We 168 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.399 my wife was looking for more toilet paper, but we didn't. It wasn't 169 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.720 We never ran out, you know, and we she had bought some of 170 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.200 those really big roles like they would have at a football stadium, and I 171 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.399 made a holder for these things. It was kind of it became kind of 172 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:28.559 a family joke. But if people were really worried about being prepared, they 173 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.840 they bought the wrong thing. Because last time I checked, COVID didn't create 174 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.399 diarrhea, you know, maybe a little bit, but not It wasn't terrible. 175 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.080 Not everybody's running around with that. So it's one of the symptoms. 176 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.559 I'm sure is everything's blame on COVID. Yeah, you know, it's interesting 177 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.679 because I was talking at I think it was actually Dutch last time I spoke 178 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:54.600 to him. We were talking about how almost society now we're going backwards in 179 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.840 a sense where we need to be going back to nature and how to live 180 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.840 in those environments in case technology should falter, which it has as we're seeing 181 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.440 sometimes now with the hackers attacking the pipeline. Hey, you don't have gas 182 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.759 anymore, you know, people freaking out and going back to the nineteen seventies 183 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.960 and filling up their gas tanks on lines. And you mentioned something. I 184 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.200 was gonna say it for later, but I just asking now before I forget. 185 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.080 I'm getting older. He has a little light sight on his gun. 186 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.600 I can't remember the name of the tournament for him, a little beam of 187 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.039 light. And then but he said he kept the metal one on there as 188 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.960 well, the iron sight. I think I forgot what he called it. 189 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, his open sites yep, yeah. 190 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:35.759 But he said, how many people nowadays, I guess get rid of it. 191 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.120 Just leave the light on there. Yeah, the site. So you 192 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.039 have a red dot site and then you have a set of backup iron sights. 193 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.720 And when we do classes, we very rarely have somebody that doesn't have 194 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.600 both sets of those sites. It's just in our world. It's just kind 195 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.399 of a it just makes sense to do that. Yeah. You know, 196 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.879 you talk about the being prepared that what I get a kick out of is 197 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.360 up on a farm. And the original survivalist was the American farmer. Because 198 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.159 American farmers can do they could do everything. And even to this day, 199 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.159 if you look at what farmers are doing, they're they're really not They're not 200 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:18.320 freaking out about anything that's going on because they know that they can raise food 201 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.320 and if they got to grind up wheat, you know, to make it's 202 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:26.240 it's not hard to grind up wheat or grind up corn and kill a critter 203 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.840 and eat pretty well. I mean, that's really all you've got to be 204 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.480 able to do. And I don't know, I don't. It's kind of 205 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.799 funny. My wife and I both are country bumpkins and we're both from South 206 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:39.879 Dakota, and we just don't I don't know, we don't. We just 207 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.600 don't get wrapped around the axle about that. I mean, I'm I am 208 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:48.360 prepared, but I don't overdo it. I guess I got plenty of guns 209 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.519 and ammos so that I can get what I need with that, I suppose, 210 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.360 but you know, in reality, you can, you can, you 211 00:13:54.399 --> 00:14:00.159 can survive with what's around you pretty easily. That's a great feeling. It's 212 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.240 a great feeling. Let me take it back again. We'll go back to 213 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.720 your time. You went into the Special Force, and I don't recall or 214 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.200 were you a Green Beret or a Ranger. I was a Green Beret. 215 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.440 Special Forces Yep, yep, I never was a Ranger. Nope, there's 216 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.480 a rivalry there. Sounded like a little bit. No, not really. 217 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.919 I mean, here's what I would say if if I was. And I've 218 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.679 tried to convince a lot of the young people that are trying to go in 219 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:24.679 the military right now, they go, what should I do? And I 220 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.759 go, you should be a unassigned airborne Ranger And they're like, why, 221 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.799 Well, because if you go to the Rangers, you can do everything. 222 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.159 If you go to the if you go to one of the three Ranger battalions. 223 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.600 From there, you can go to Special Forces, you can go to 224 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:41.720 the unit you can you can do anything, and you will have the best 225 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.039 training. You'll be equipped very well. You will be out on the battlefield 226 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.960 conducting missions when a lot of units are not traveling and around the world doing 227 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.679 that. You're you're going to be employed. And if that's what you want 228 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.879 to do. That's what I would recommend. And I'll tell you most of 229 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.840 those guys have either done that or they've went into the eighteen X ray program, 230 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.480 which is the SF baby, so they go right into the military and 231 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.639 then they get in the pipeline and they start training so they can become a 232 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:13.240 Special Forces guy as a lower enlisted individual. That's a that's a pretty decent 233 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.919 route too. But if I could go back in time, I would have 234 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.240 went to the Ranger battalion. That's that's what I should have done. I 235 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.120 had no idea what I was doing, so I ended up in the eighty 236 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:28.440 second, which is fine too, But really I would highly recommend the Rangers. 237 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.000 And then when you get to guys like like me that are in the 238 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.240 unit. We worked with the Rangers all the time on the battlefield, so 239 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.480 that's where we recruited from. So we recited recruited a ton of young Rangers 240 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.080 to come to the unit, and they saw us operate and so they you 241 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.000 know, it was just it was a very good relationship. Going back to 242 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.840 Somalia, we were there with the Rangers, you know, so we had 243 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:52.159 a good relationship with the Rangers as well. Contrary to what some stories say. 244 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.759 I mean all the unit dudes, the the guys at the at the 245 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:58.840 bottom, we all got along with the rangers. You know. There was 246 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:03.200 probably some leadership issues between the two units, but I wasn't in a leadership 247 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.919 position that I was just in a follow the leader position, you know. 248 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:11.000 I guess I'm bringing it. One question I always like to ask, how 249 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.879 did you like seer training? That sucks? What? Yeah? Yeah, 250 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.279 the first one? All right, No, seer training. I mean it 251 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:23.240 sucks because you're you don't get to eat jow and you got to listen to 252 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.039 babies screaming, you know. I mean it's kind of it's just it's kind 253 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.879 of demoralizing. There. The fun thing was you have your little you know, 254 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.840 you're trying to have these little victories and no matter what that is. 255 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.759 I remember, uh, I went. I went through that several times, 256 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.720 and they would do refreshers, which I told my father in law, you 257 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.960 really don't need to train up to be miserable. It comes it really comes 258 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:49.679 natural. But they would send us to refreshers and make you go in and 259 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:56.360 get interrogated again, and and make you stay in your circle and use the 260 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.559 techniques that they taught you, and one of those trips I got rolled in. 261 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:06.279 I was in civilian clothes, and when I got in there, I 262 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:10.599 reached and I got into that little box and I reached inside of my uh 263 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.720 my breeches, and in the the coin pocket, I had a set of 264 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.279 ear plugs, and I took those ear plugs and put them in there, 265 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.599 and I slept like a baby. And then whenever they'd come to get me 266 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:23.319 out, as they were unlocking the door, I'd pull the ear plugs out 267 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.720 and put them in there. And I kept those ear plugs for the entire 268 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:30.960 time that I was locked up. So that was my little that was my 269 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.680 little victory. What did you enjoy? Did you enjoy the academic proportion? 270 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.119 That's what I keep hearing a lot of guys really like that apartment learning about 271 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.400 whatever you guys learned about the first part of it. Yeah, I think 272 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.960 you know, the survival part that that's fun to learn because there are things 273 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:52.119 that that I didn't know that I mean some of the I mean some of 274 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.079 some of the traps, you know, like going through there, learning that 275 00:17:55.200 --> 00:18:00.680 they send us through Seer during what was during our our or special Forces course 276 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.839 or it's actually that was a survival portion that wasn't the seer portion. But 277 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.240 during the survival portion, they they taught us to do things that I'd never 278 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.640 really you know, just like how to how to build a figure for dead 279 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:17.480 fall or you know, trip wires and things like this for and not really 280 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.839 for people, but for animals so that you could try to get some chow. 281 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.519 Well, we got to the part where we had to butcher animals. 282 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:27.640 That was a cinch because I'd been butchering. I've been butchering animals since I 283 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:32.599 was a little kid, so that that wasn't a big deal. Some guys 284 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:36.559 were a little squeamish, but I just knew that I'd I'd done that a 285 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:40.200 long time, so grown up in the farm was no problem. Yep. 286 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:44.839 Now did it switched for you? And you have to forget my ninety tay 287 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.000 if I don't know exactly how the order goes, But did you You went 288 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.480 from Green Berets then you went and mentioned to Delta yep? And how was 289 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:56.759 that transition? And why? Well? I made that transition because as a 290 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:00.680 when I went through Special Forces training, they made me a eighteen ECHO, 291 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:06.599 which is Special Forces Communication Sergeant, so on an operational Detachment Alpha. You 292 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.359 have different specialties, so you've got a medic, you've got an engineer, 293 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:15.000 weapons specialist, you've got a commo guy. I was the como guy. 294 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:18.640 So because of my former commo background, when I went through there, they 295 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.839 sent me to Morse Code School to learn how to do that. And then 296 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.960 when I got to fifth Special Forces Group, I had just finished Arabic Language 297 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:29.480 school. So I went right to Desert Shield Desert Storm. Wow. So 298 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:32.079 when I got there, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna get on 299 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:33.319 a team. And then they said, well, you're gonna work in the 300 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.680 bay station because you're a como guy. And I went, wait a minute, 301 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.400 so did that? I got to run around the battle feel a little 302 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.200 bit, but nothing, nothing exciting. I mean it was exciting for me, 303 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.680 but I would find out years later that I hadn't seen anything, you 304 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:55.119 know. So then I came back from that and they said, we're gonna 305 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.640 put you in the special in the UH the UH based oh what they call 306 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:04.039 it, but CNE Battalion Communications and Electronics, and you're gonna you're gonna help 307 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.599 these guys over there. And I was like, man, I don't think 308 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.200 I want to do that. I want to. I came to Special Forces 309 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.720 to be a Special Forces guy. So at that point I said, well, 310 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.160 there's one way out of here, and I can try out for the 311 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:22.279 unit and and do that. So I went to selection and made it, 312 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.039 and then went there and spent pretty much the rest of my time. I 313 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:26.680 had one year I went to first Special Forces Group out of the unit, 314 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.559 but most of the rest of my time I was there in the unit and 315 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.319 did that. And it was you know, I would say this, it's 316 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.640 not for everybody, but it was definitely for me. I mean, all 317 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:45.279 the shooting, the physical stuff. I enjoyed that. And I wasn't like 318 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.519 a pet stud, but I would I could do whatever I needed to do. 319 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.839 But the shooting and this close quarter battle, that was I really really 320 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.119 enjoyed that. And then eventually I became a sniper and did that, and 321 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.200 and I stayed there and worked as a in the leadership there as well, 322 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:04.279 So that was it really was a good niche for me. That's awesome. 323 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.799 That's awesome. At least you know what you wanted, it sounds like, 324 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.559 and all the way, all the way through most of the time. Can 325 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.640 you share one of your stories. I know you have one story you were 326 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:18.240 talking about. I can't remember where I read it or I heard you talking 327 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.359 about one of the more scary moments. I guess it was in Mogadishu, 328 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.640 actually, if I remember correctly, any story you want to share, any 329 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:33.200 of the most stories that let's see here. Sure you got a lot, 330 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.880 Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you a story that I think I 331 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.359 don't I normally don't tell. I mean, my war stories are normally funny. 332 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:47.119 So I'm gonna I'm gonna take you down a funny a funny war story. 333 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:51.759 So we were in Iraq and one of the guys found a prayer watch, 334 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.480 and a prayer watch it goes off the five times a day that a 335 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:59.640 Muslim is supposed to pray, so that it goes off, and I don't 336 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:02.720 know if it's what direction to face, but they got that figured out pretty 337 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.720 good. But this one would crow like a chicken, and then it would 338 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:08.559 start speaking and it wasn't an Arabic. It was some I don't know what 339 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:14.480 they were saying, but it wasn't Arabic. So uh, this little watch 340 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.960 started becoming kind of a kind of a party gag, and it was getting 341 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.920 hidden in different people's gear. Well, we it never ended up on my 342 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.039 gear. I was a troops arm major, so they kind of left me 343 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.400 out of it, I guess. But I was driving across an airfield one 344 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.119 night in a civilian vehicle and Savilian clothes with another guy in there with me, 345 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:34.279 and all of a sudden he goes stop stop, and I'm like, 346 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.599 oh crap, we're you know, he saw something. We're going to get 347 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:40.319 in a fight or whatever. And he jumps out of the vehicle and he 348 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:44.279 starts tearing off all of his gear and he rips off his body armor, 349 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:45.960 and we had concealment body armors, so it took a few layers to get 350 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.960 to that. And he pulls it apart and he reaches in there and he's 351 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:53.079 got that little that prayer watches in there, and he's like, I got 352 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.880 it. And so as we're driving back to the other side of town to 353 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:02.200 this safe house we're staying at, he tells me but because i'd heard about 354 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:03.079 it, but I had, that's the first time i'd actually seen it. 355 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:07.160 And the other thing was I couldn't hear it because my hearing is so bad 356 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.839 when it would go off, I could barely hear it, so it never 357 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.319 It really didn't bother me. So next thing, I know this, you 358 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:15.960 know, I laugh about it. Well, it starts going from one person 359 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.440 to the next. Well, they end up putting it in the pistol grip 360 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:26.599 of one of the soldier's rifles, and as they're driving across town, all 361 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.279 of a sudden, this thing starts going off. Well they go off the 362 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:32.039 side of the road and they pull out their guns and they're trying to find 363 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.160 it and they find it stashed inside the pistol grip of their rifle. Okay, 364 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:37.640 so this guy comes back, he's the medic, we called him head, 365 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.240 and he's he's like, yeah, you guys are a bunch of children 366 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.559 playing with this did what? They said, well, where's this watch at? 367 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.039 And he goes, I threw it away. That's stupid. You're like 368 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:53.599 a bunch of children. So they were upset with this medic. He was 369 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:59.480 a great medic, sfmetic, just awesome dude. He says, I threw 370 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.440 it away, man, you just guys whatever. And there was some cussing 371 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:07.119 back and forth and some you know, trying to threaten him with his life, 372 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.200 but he said no, p threw it away. So probably a month 373 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.960 later during the middle of the day. Now we slept during the day and 374 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.799 we operated at night. During the day, these guys were all laid up 375 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.599 in their hoots and their bunk beds there, and all of a sudden, 376 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.559 like there was a ginormous chicken in your room with you. This thing started 377 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.440 crow and going off. And what he had done and they didn't find it. 378 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.799 They all jumped out of bed, where's it at? Where's it at? 379 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.599 And it was just so loud and echoing in the room. They couldn't 380 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.759 find it. So the next day they were ready for it. So midday, 381 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.680 boom, it goes off again. And what this medic had done. 382 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.960 He had crawled up in the duct work of their room, because the duct 383 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.119 work was big enough for a person to crawl in there. He crawled away 384 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:53.359 up in this duct work. He hooked up an archer amplified speaker to this, 385 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.200 so it's a suction cup that goes on the back of a you know, 386 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.680 whatever radio or whatever you're listening to. He tape that all together and 387 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.440 then just left it in there and crawled back out. So he got the 388 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.720 last laugh because that little archer speaker made that thing so loud. But you 389 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.319 know, that's one of the things we would do as soldiers. There's always 390 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:15.680 something funny, Always something funny happened, and I over in Iraq, same 391 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:22.240 thing. We came off one of the objectives and ends up some of the 392 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:26.359 SSEE material, the sensitive slight exploitation material. They're bringing this off and I 393 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.839 get called in. They go, we got an issue. We found two 394 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.519 more people that we need to add to the target list. And I'm like, 395 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.480 what are you talking about. Well, we have all these pictures of 396 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.079 these two guys were after, but there's two other people in the picture with 397 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.559 them, and several of these pictures, and we're going to try to get 398 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:48.720 them put on the targeting list as well. They showed me the pictures and 399 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.599 the other two guys in the pictures were myself and another buddy of mine, 400 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.920 completely dressed up like Arabs, and they had laid us in on this picture. 401 00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.759 It looked completely real. I still have a copy of the It just 402 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:03.839 it makes me laugh every time I see it. You know, it's funny 403 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.759 you mentioned that, because that's one of the things I see, the correlation 404 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:15.359 between special OT people and then homicide detectives. You're in a world that's very 405 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:18.799 different that most people will never see. Thankfully, I think a lot of 406 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.440 people are thankful they're not going to have to see it. But homicide detectives, 407 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.640 when I've talked to I've talked a lot of them, you know, 408 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.000 they see some really crazy stuff, just like you guys, just really crazy 409 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:34.440 stuff. They have to process it somehow, and humor is the best way 410 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.119 for them to be able to process that. And a lot of times civilians 411 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:42.559 or non law enforced have no idea how to deal with that because they're going, 412 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.720 are you sick in the head? How are you laughing? But if 413 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:51.440 you haven't been exposed to that a daily basis, it's hard to really understand 414 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.319 why. But they have to, and I completely get it. Yeah, 415 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.519 I would stories. I would say. I'm not a psychologist, but what 416 00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:02.200 I would say is do act like that keeps you from becoming sick in the 417 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.799 head. And by sick, I don't mean like you're you're a weirdo. 418 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:10.000 I mean if you let this stuff, if you just sit around in a 419 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.240 dark room and think about all these bad things that have happened to you, 420 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.440 of course it's going to eat you up. So get out of that dark 421 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.680 room and find like minded people and just talk about what if you want to 422 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.599 talk about that because you're struggling with it, then talk about you know, 423 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.880 to another cop or to another military guy. But you know, get it, 424 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.519 get out. And I would also say, and this is something I've 425 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:36.079 come and I've kind of come into in the last probably two years. You 426 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:41.960 if you are with people that don't make you a better person, then get 427 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.960 away from those people. So and I'm not telling you not to be around 428 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.599 military people or law enforcement or you know, whoever that happens to be. 429 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:56.519 I'm just telling you to find the right positive attitude people so that you can 430 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.079 have a positive Outlook. You don't just sit around and go, oh, 431 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.960 woe is me? And this terrible and I'm having these bad dreams and I'm 432 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.640 having Hey, we all have bad dreams. I hate to break it to 433 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.039 you, but if you've been through all this stuff, you're gonna have dreams. 434 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.680 It's what you do with that. And at the end of the day 435 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.000 that or in the morning, I should say, you know, when you 436 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.240 get up, get out and do some exercise, go to the range, 437 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.319 do something that puts you in a different place, a better place than that. 438 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.519 And if you see that coming on, just know how to take care 439 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.720 of it. And I would not recommend personally, I wouldn't recommend going to 440 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:36.160 a psychologist. I would I would recommend going to another person that knows what 441 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.359 you've been through and they might be able to help you even more. I 442 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.279 work some with Warrior's Heart. A buddy of mine, Tom Spooner, start 443 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.319 a Warrior's Heart, and that's what they do there. Everybody you're talking to, 444 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.079 they're on the same sheet of music with you. So it's not you're 445 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:49.839 not going to the person with a lab code and they're gonna, you know, 446 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:55.960 poke you and you know lock you in a cage that they're going to 447 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.680 treat you like with the respect that you deserve, and you're gonna talk about 448 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.039 your sues with other people that have the same issues, and you're going to 449 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.240 realize that you're no different. You know, if you think that you're a 450 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.319 weirdo, guess what, I'm just as weird as you are. We just 451 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.599 have a different way of processing that. So let it, you know, 452 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.920 go to somebody and talk about it. So that's what I would say. 453 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.319 That's a great point. I think a lot of times. Look that's my 454 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:23.200 world, right, I deal more with criminal psychopathology. But you're absolutely right. 455 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:30.400 It's a lot of psychologists don't know that world of the military and don't 456 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.960 know what cops go through on a daily basis. You know, they see 457 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.200 some parts of it on TV, and that's nothing compared to what they normally 458 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.279 see. They don't they don't show on TV. To me, I always 459 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.359 tell people criminal minds, Law and Order, stop to show you on TV. 460 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.720 A lot of this stuff is Disneyland for their world. I mean, 461 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.119 the cop walks in and sees a kid who's got three or four years old 462 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.720 and it's actually molested and abused and killed. That you're not going to see 463 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.519 on TV because the average American can't handle it. They can't process. And 464 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.119 for you guys in the military, some of these stories I already heard, 465 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.960 there's no way they can process it. They can barely handle saving Private Ryan. 466 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.200 Yeah, and I would say that, you know, I feel for 467 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.559 cops because of what they have to be exposed to because and this is going 468 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.559 to sound bad, but I'm just going to say it the way the way 469 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:23.880 I feel. In the military, we bring some retribution on the bad guys 470 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.119 when when they go out and they murder innocent women and children and innocent men 471 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.160 as well. Normally we get to visit to that you know, we visit 472 00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.599 them late at night and we bring the retribution that they deserve. That might 473 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.519 be that they'd get rolled up and put in guantanamo for you know, ten 474 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.039 years, or they might not make it till the next morning. Whatever. 475 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.960 But I think a lot of times with law enforcement, you know, one 476 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:55.240 of the struggles there is that they may not see that that even if you 477 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.200 if you find a smoking gun of that person that molested that child, it's 478 00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.640 going to take year, years and years and years for their for their to 479 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.960 be closure on that. And they may never have closure because that dirt bag 480 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:12.680 that did that the inhumanity to some child, they may never be punished for 481 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.599 what they what they did. One thing I recently, I do some work 482 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:23.279 with TBI and and by TV I'm talking about Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. They 483 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:29.400 they're a really good group of people, very respected by the other law enforcement 484 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.640 officers in the state because they really try to help them. They're not you 485 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.680 know, they don't come in heavy handed like FBI or somebody like that. 486 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.839 They come in and they try to help. And I've tried to help a 487 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.559 few of those people because they just, like you've talked about, you know, 488 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:48.240 the things that they've seen. How are they processing that? And I've 489 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.960 tried to just let them know that, hey, we've we've all seen some 490 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.599 stuff. They've probably seen way more than I've seen. But go talk to 491 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:01.880 another like minded individual. Don't start taking drugs and doing you know, crazy 492 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.119 stuff. Get the help that you need. But I would say, if 493 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.200 they start handing you handfuls of dope to take, that's probably not the person 494 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.799 that really wants to help you. I would say, go to a fellow 495 00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:19.200 law enforcement officer or a military person that's seen that, and let's talk about 496 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.359 it. I mean, let's just what is on your mind. And man, 497 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.759 you could That's what's good about being in the military for me anyway, 498 00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.359 When I was in you can say anything. When my buddy started talking, 499 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:37.279 we could, we could literally say anything, and our buddies would not alienate 500 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.160 us because of what we said. And I believe that in law enforcement sometimes 501 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.799 if you talk to the wrong person, you may become you may get alienated, 502 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.920 and that's definitely not going to help your cause. So choose wisely, 503 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.559 but choose the right person. And I can tell you those folks, you 504 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.400 know, they can let their guard down around me because they could tell me 505 00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.279 anything. And I'm going to help them with their issue because I I know 506 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.680 that the struggles are real that they're going through. One of the psychologists that 507 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.319 they made me go see when I was getting out, they talk about hypervigilance, 508 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.240 and oh, wow, you you know you must have post traumatic stress 509 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:21.680 because you're you have hypervigilance, and it's like you must be a sorry, 510 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:28.680 worthless dirt bag not to have hypervigilance. Why would you not protect your family 511 00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.880 and your friends. Why would you not be looking, you know, for 512 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:35.240 escape routes. Why wouldn't you do that? So, no, I don't 513 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.880 have post traumatic stress. I'm trying to take care of my family and my 514 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.480 kids, my grandkids as best as I possibly can. And if that means 515 00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:45.519 that I'm standing on my toes a little bit more than you are, that 516 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:50.480 doesn't mean I'm a bad person. And I think that that stigmatism or stigma 517 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.200 that these people have tried to give some of these military people, it's been 518 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.559 terrible and it's because they don't understand. They just don't get it. If 519 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.640 you're a cop, you under stand if even if even a firefighter probably gets 520 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.480 it a little bit, but dah god, military dudes there, hypervigilance is 521 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:14.679 a is a it's a way to survive. That's yeah, that's what you've 522 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.639 got to have in this environment that we're in. Look at cops, Look 523 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:20.079 what you have to do. At least in the military. It's it's it's 524 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.079 a little bit better defined, I believe, because we know we kind of 525 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:27.159 know who's bad and who's good, so to speak. In law enforcement. 526 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:31.119 You're out in the public and you don't know who your enemy is, so 527 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.960 man, you better be switched on. That's a great point. Our situational 528 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.159 podcast is one thing we talk about over and over against the distinction between hypervigilance. 529 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.719 I don't even like the word paranoiac even clinically. It doesn't make any 530 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.320 sense to say your paranoid, because paranoid is completely delusional. So that's that's 531 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:52.280 a whole sized point. But hypervigilance, as you said, now has become 532 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:58.800 a negative term almost and reality now you're just being aware of what's around you 533 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.440 and what's going on. And in today's world, you and I both know 534 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.440 the last five years things have changed a lot. Oh yeah, yeah, 535 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.840 this country's not a safe in some parts anymore. And if you're not paying 536 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.239 attention, you're going to be a victim really fast. Well, I'm really 537 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:19.679 lucky because my wife is also very switched on. And if for some reason 538 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:24.199 I have a lapse in awareness or a lapse in judgment, I mean we 539 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:29.400 all have that. I'm really lucky because my wife is switched on and she 540 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:34.400 knows how to keep me out of trouble. And I know what. We've 541 00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.440 been married a long time. We've been married thirty five years. Oh wow. 542 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.239 When she touches my arm, I know exactly what she means. We 543 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.440 don't have to talk. So when she gives me that cue, I turn 544 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.079 and I go with her, and that's it. There's no court, Like, 545 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:51.800 what are you doing? No, I know that whatever she's telling me, 546 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.079 we need to leave right now, and we're going to do that. 547 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:59.679 Because it used to be that in certain situations, I wouldn't just go to 548 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.679 jail, but I'd lose my job. So get out of those situations. 549 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.760 You know, if people are drinking and starting to fight, then just go 550 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.400 the other direction. If you think somehow that proves your manhood, you're probably 551 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.400 wrong, but it's best just to just to go the other direction and get 552 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.960 out of there and you know, not end up locked up, because being 553 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.480 locked in a cage is not something I want to do again. The eighteen 554 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:29.239 Echo family over there, Yeah, you have the calm stuff down, that's 555 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:30.960 right. You know, it's interesting. Remind me of two things, actually 556 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.639 remind me. A couple of weeks ago, i went down to downtown San 557 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:39.199 Diego and this guy was coming down the street and I'm just looking. Okay, 558 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.760 I see it's eighty five degrees outside. He's wearing a hoodie that's bothered 559 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.800 me a little bit, and I'm thinking it's a little warm. I'm having 560 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.599 trouble with my t shirt on. And he's coming down the street and I'm 561 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.719 looking. Then he's got his hand in his pocket, so I'm going, 562 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.719 okay, coming down the street hand in your pocket. Is nobody else really 563 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:04.079 around? Is kind of bearing around here. So I'm kind of looking the 564 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.800 person I was with, and I'm starting to get shure eyes just to be 565 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:08.880 kind of like, you know what, you might want to turn your back 566 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.519 because you had a chatter back to the person I said, you might want 567 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.000 to turn around and move a little bit, just in case I have no 568 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.199 idea what this person's up to, and they were doing the I'm looking down, 569 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.840 looking up, looking left, looking down. You know, they're always 570 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.920 so inconspicuous, right, they don't know, nobody can tell. And thankfully 571 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.360 I think they we turned them enough that he just kind of walked by. 572 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.800 But that's one of those moments. Again we have to be paying attention and 573 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.239 back to your point, which I've only touched this a couple of times, 574 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.559 but I like to see your takes. I think you just answered it. 575 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.239 There was an individual the other day. I was at a bank. There 576 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.719 was three of us in the line. We didn't move forward for whatever reason. 577 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.360 We just didn't move forward when the line was moving, and the guy 578 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.639 just starts going off. You know, you have an idiots, why don't 579 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.760 you move? You know COVID this you thought. I guess we're all apparently 580 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.039 my COVID or something. I don't know what to deal with. So you 581 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.079 started yelling about that. And of course you could handle it two ways. 582 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.440 You can turn on I turn around telling the f off, or you can 583 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.679 ignore it. But I think some people, I think they have to defend 584 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.079 themselves to be a tough guy, And in reality, if it happened to 585 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:24.039 you, I'm pretty confident that person's he wouldn't be on the ground. I 586 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.800 mean he'd be on the ground. I guess my point, he wouldn't be 587 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.599 around very long we've happened to you. But I also think you wouldn't do 588 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.119 anything. You would know better to say. I would, yeah, I 589 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:38.519 mean I wouldn't say I wouldn't cuss at him, but I because I don't 590 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:45.000 believe that does any good. That only elevates the situation. I'm not saying 591 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.320 I haven't done that. I'm just saying that, you know, if that 592 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.039 happened to me tomorrow, I'd be like, hey, man, hey, 593 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.440 hey, hey, it's all right, dude, Just relax, sorry about 594 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.480 that, try to talk him down a little bit. And the other thing 595 00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:00.559 that I do is I normally invade people's space at that time too, because 596 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:07.039 I want here if they want to fight, if you take their space away 597 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.280 and you put them on their heels, you immediately have an advantage. So 598 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.280 now, if you're a female, I'm not telling you to go up and 599 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.920 bump chess with this guy. That's what I'm not what I'm saying, but 600 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.360 square your body to that target, you know, and get in a fighting 601 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.320 stance so that if you have to do something, you can and maybe what 602 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.960 you have to do is run. You know what, what are you going 603 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.039 to prove if you get in a fight in a bank with somebody, I 604 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.960 mean nothing. You're not proved. Yeah, you're not proven. You're not 605 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.079 proving anything there. So I would say, you just I don't know. 606 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.239 I do like to I do like to be close. And the reason I 607 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.679 say that is because if I'm close, I can react. If I'm far 608 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:53.079 away, I don't have the ability to react. And then I would also, 609 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:58.639 you know, protect my tools. So I carry a gun ninety nine 610 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:04.480 percent of the time, so I would start blading my body correctly so that 611 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.719 I could, you know, get to my gun if the guy attacked me. 612 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.039 I would protect my tools just like a cop is taught to do. 613 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.679 Protect your firearm, protect you know, whatever you have on the tool side, 614 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.760 and then you know, deal with it there. But yeah, I 615 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.280 tell you, man, and this is going to sound kind of ridiculous, 616 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:30.119 but most people that I've had confrontations with end up apologizing to me because I 617 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.280 just I I close, I close the distance, and I tell them, 618 00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.599 hey, man, just I'm sorry I offend you to you. I didn't 619 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:37.880 mean to do that. But just just relax a little bit, man. 620 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:42.599 And if they start getting hyped up, hey, just I've got my family 621 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.880 with me. Don't Let's just don't do that. Dude. I'm sorry whatever 622 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.559 I did upset you. Hey, apologize to the dude, even if you 623 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.599 don't believe that you did something wrong. What does it hurt to apologize to 624 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.880 somebody and then get out the door and let the cops go arrest him later 625 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:01.840 when he does whatever he's going to do. And the other surprise that some 626 00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.039 people don't realize is we all have bad days, don't you know. If 627 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.639 I know, if I have a bad day and I get grumpy and somebody 628 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.239 comes up and they're nice to me, I have a really hard time continuing 629 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:20.480 to be grumpy, you know what I'm saying, So treat them. Yeah, 630 00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.880 my buddy, he runs the Free Burma Rangers. It's an organization, 631 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.679 a Christian organization over in Thailand. They go into Burma and he says, 632 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:34.639 love everybody and then just shoot the people that need to be shot. And 633 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.199 I'm like, that's a good way to look at it, you know. 634 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.800 Love everybody, But don't Loving everybody doesn't mean that we turn our back on 635 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.480 them or let them do something to our family. We still are prepared. 636 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:52.280 We're vigilant. My buddy Trey Lawrence, he's a Special Forces officer. He 637 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:58.000 says, vigilance that's having a plan to kill everyone you meet. And it's 638 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.239 true. You know, when you're vigilant, you you actually are sizing up 639 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.199 what's going on around you. And if you're very smart, you're going to 640 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.000 say, Okay, this is a bad situation. I'm going to get out 641 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:13.039 of here and go somewhere else. I don't like crowds. It briefts Well 642 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:15.679 like, Oh, I want to go downtown Nashville to the fireworks. So 643 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.119 we go down there. There's too many people. We end up walking through 644 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.599 the crowd one time and I told my wife, Okay, let's go stand 645 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.119 over there where we can see the fireworks, but there's not a crowd. 646 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:28.400 And that's what we did. When we watched the fireworks. There was nobody 647 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.360 within ten foot of us, and we could see all the fireworks, but 648 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.920 we were probably a quarter mile back from where the crowd was at. Well 649 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.519 good, it was perfect. We didn't have to deal with any of the 650 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.960 crowds, and I wasn't freaked out by the crowd and nobody was bumping into 651 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.719 her or me, and it was it was awesome. So make the you 652 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.079 know, make the right choices there. I'm really glad you said that. 653 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:52.280 Hopefully folks will hear that again, folks. Green Beret Kyle Lamb from Vikingtactics 654 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.280 dot com. So you heard it from him, a guy who can definitely 655 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.519 protect himselfs if need be, and yet he's telling you to de escalate these 656 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.719 situations and it's not worth it. I could completely agree. It's just not 657 00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.400 worth it in today's world, especially not in front of your family either. 658 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.519 Yeah. I just really don't know who's out there anymore. Kyle, we're 659 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.920 gonna shift gears. Now. It's a good segue into your work. You're 660 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.400 talking about blading your body, protecting your gun, tell us a little bit 661 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.280 about Viking Viking tactics, and then towards the end of the interview, I 662 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.199 definitely have a couple of questions about the movie world and see what your opinion 663 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:28.000 is on that. But before we get to that Viking tactics, what's this 664 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:32.960 all about? So when I was in the military. I like the job 665 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.480 of instructor, So no matter no matter what I if I had information, 666 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:44.519 I wanted to pass that on to other people, and I I worked on 667 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.519 my instructional capabilities. In the military. I ended up being the primary shooting 668 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.920 instructor for the unit for a few years, was a sniper instructor with a 669 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.239 first Special Forces group for a year, So that allowed me to kind of 670 00:43:55.280 --> 00:44:00.400 hone my skills as an instructor. And it does take training to become a 671 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.960 good instructor, you know, getting your getting your POI squared away so that 672 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:10.119 when you present it a you have a flow so the students have a better 673 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.920 learning experience. And then the other part of that is as a military guy, 674 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.440 it took me a few years to figure out how to train cops because 675 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:23.440 law enforcement officers have somewhat different rules that they follow and how do I how 676 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.679 do I put this in a in a package that they can understand and better 677 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.920 yet, how do I answer their questions before they even ask them, so 678 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.199 that they don't you know, because quite honestly, some of these guys they 679 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.320 want to be like, oh I caught you, Oh I got youa you 680 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.360 know, like, oh, what we do is you know, we can't 681 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.760 just kill everybody like you do in the military. Well, if you read 682 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.800 what it says about the unit I came from, it's counter terrorist unit. 683 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:54.119 That means we're going in and doing hostage rescue. So if we just shot 684 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.199 everybody, you would kill the hostage and guess what that's called a failure. 685 00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.719 So yeah, we were very sice with our aimed fire. We use the 686 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.320 safeties on our guns. I mean, there's a lot of things that you 687 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.920 see in the movies that when you see reality, it's two completely different things. 688 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.320 So when I got out of the military, I had forty two weeks 689 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:15.880 scheduled for that year to be on the range, which is a lot of 690 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:22.559 time to train folks, but it kind of catapulted us out there to train 691 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.400 a lot of law enforcement military guys and some civilians as well. And then 692 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:29.440 we also had a product line that we had launched at the same time. 693 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.280 Some of the products I designed when I was in the military, and we 694 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:36.719 just started to to, you know, promote those products. And then now 695 00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.760 today we have a whole bunch of products that we promote, products that I've 696 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.960 designed, and some of them I've designed by myself. Some with other special 697 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.679 ops guys, some with law enforcement guys, some with hunters, and we 698 00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.079 that's what we do. So I've written three books. I've written a carving 699 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.159 book as a pistol book, and then a leadership Leadership in the Shadows is 700 00:45:55.159 --> 00:46:00.599 my latest book. We also have done some TV. I've had my own 701 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.760 show on the Outdoor channel, Viking Chronicles, which is now available also on 702 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:09.519 Amazon Prime. Got a podcast team VTAC podcast, so we do talk about 703 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.199 some of this stuff over there as well. Normally I'm interviewing versus being the 704 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:20.000 interviewed guy. But we do some leadership stuff on our YouTube channel. We 705 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.840 do some shooting instruction on our YouTube channel. We also sell some DVDs and 706 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:28.920 then a gun University. You can stream our videos over there too. That's 707 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.239 not my company, that's another guy's company, but he has our Our DVDs 708 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.199 are available to stream there as well, So that's kind of where we're at. 709 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:43.119 We try to we try to solve problems in the gear world with new 710 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.800 products that people haven't thought of, and we're pretty lucky because a lot of 711 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:51.159 people copy our products, which tells me that we're probably doing the right thing. 712 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:52.599 That used to really piss me off. But now it's like, what 713 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.719 are you gonna do about it? You know, they're they're telling you they 714 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.119 can't come up with their own ideas, so they're just going to copy our 715 00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.599 stuff. So that's I guess that's a form of flattery. But I travel 716 00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:06.599 around the country. I do a lot of classes up at SEG Academy. 717 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.159 I work with SEG Sour and at their academy, I work with Leopold Optics 718 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.239 Kinshop Buffers. We do some stuff with them. We have some knives that 719 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.159 we've done with top Knives. We've got some other products that we're working on 720 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.039 right now that will be kind of fun that are coming out, well, 721 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.800 not fun, they're good products, but it's been fun for me to design. 722 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.599 I like to design new equipment. So my wife and I run the 723 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.480 business. My wife is a CEO. I'm the chief bottle washer. And 724 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.559 one of the things there is that what I've learned over the years in the 725 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:43.000 military is you should try to set yourself up to be successful, and to 726 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.519 do that, you've got to look at the strengths and the weaknesses of all 727 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:52.119 the people that you're working with, and you try to employ people in the 728 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.480 areas where they have strength and keep them away from the areas where they have 729 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:59.320 weakness. And that's what's been really good about my wife and I with our 730 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.679 our relationship. She's very good at what she does, which is managing that 731 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.880 business, making sure that the warehouse is running smoothly, making sure that all 732 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.000 of our bills are paid, making sure that product is getting ordered, making 733 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.480 sure that she's dealing with customer service issues, making sure ship you know, 734 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.639 stuff is shipping when it's supposed to ship. We shipped very quickly, so 735 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:22.519 if you ordered, if you went online right now and ordered something, it 736 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.719 would ship out of our warehouse tomorrow. Now, if you order on a 737 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.480 Friday, it's probably not gonna ship till Monday, but the next business day 738 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.599 it's probably going to ship. And the nice thing is if it's in stock, 739 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.239 you'll see it's in stock and you don't have to wait. We don't 740 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.199 do back order type stuff either. So staying in your lane has been something 741 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:44.239 that I had to learn a little bit. I thought I could do some 742 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.760 things in the business world, but I really I'm not good at So I've 743 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.440 learned here in the last probably ten years, to be better at staying in 744 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.920 my lane and doing what I am good at, and teaching is what I'm 745 00:48:54.960 --> 00:49:00.000 good at. Designing new products is what I'm good at. Being a spokesperson 746 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.719 for some of these other products, I'm good at that. So I try 747 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:07.119 to I try to be in that realm where I can help people. And 748 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.800 I'm not helping people if I'm running the business and worrying about the bills and 749 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.960 doing all that. My wife is so much more equipped to do that. 750 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:19.239 She's much more organized than me. So we that's what I've learned. You 751 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:23.039 know, I wrote the book on leadership, but sometimes we in our own 752 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.440 lives struggle with what we perceive as our expertise. And that's one of the 753 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.159 things I've really struggled with is to be a leader in your family is different 754 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:37.239 than to be a leader in law enforcement or the military, and it's way 755 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.400 more important. That's one thing that we in law enforcement military, we sometimes 756 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.360 forget that our family, well, they they really you know, they really 757 00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.800 shouldn't. You shouldn't think, oh, I got to make sure they're first. 758 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:51.960 You absolutely, one hundred percent. Every day have got to focus on 759 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.920 making them first, because that's you know, if your successful husband or wife, 760 00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.599 or son or daughter or whatever you, you'll be successful at your job 761 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.159 too if you can, if you can get that right. And I think 762 00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:08.400 that's part of where I struggled in the past. And I've got buddies that 763 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.280 still struggle with that, and I try to help them as much as I 764 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.360 can too, and I still, I mean, I still have my struggles 765 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.920 there too. But yeah, trying to lead your family, that's the hardest 766 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:22.719 thing I've ever done, so got to keep doing it. It really is 767 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.880 a difficult thing, especially if you have children, because they're not always going 768 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:30.320 to be there. Yeah, they eventually grow up, and sometimes you don't 769 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:34.239 get the advantage of working with them and being around them as much as you 770 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.079 wanted. And well, it brings me another question before we get to that. 771 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:43.119 Green Eyes and Black Rifles Warriors Guide to the Combat, car Line Carding 772 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.119 Kyle E. Lamb Book, Stay in the Fight, Warrior's Guide to the 773 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.320 Combat Pistol, and his newest one, Leadership in the Shadows Special Operations Soldier 774 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:53.559 Kyle lambook. Again, So, folks, which are some of the books 775 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:59.199 you can definitely I highly recommend it, liking tactics dot com where you can 776 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.079 find out more from about his company. I forgot the name of the podcast 777 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.199 Team v Tech, Team v Tech, So definitely check out that podcast. 778 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.400 Yeah, Kyle, as you mentioned, the family is one of the biggest 779 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.639 things too. People don't realize it, and it's interesting you mentioned it in 780 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.639 the sense I'm going to go way back in our earlier parts of our conversation 781 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.760 talking to some individuals because one of the things I work a lot on and 782 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:27.760 teach is on trauma besides criminal psychopathology. And it's fascinating because one of the 783 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.639 things I realized is the individuals who come out, whether it's special forces, 784 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:37.119 police officers, homicide protect us, whatever, the ones who had really solid 785 00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.519 families, the one who had a support system in and out of the families 786 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:44.920 were the ones who usually fared much better coming out of some of these tough 787 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:49.480 experiences as they have in our world. We call them protective factors. So 788 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:55.440 having a supportive family of family not only that supported you during the good times 789 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:59.559 but also the bad time. So we had challenges in life and you fell, 790 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.440 you came back up. As I mentioned before, I know my listeners 791 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:07.320 are pubbly sick of it. When I've interviewed Olympic athletes at Larry Holmes Larry 792 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.960 Holmes. One of the things I used to say is I remember asking Larry, 793 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.000 what did you think about when you got knocked down? Something? You 794 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.880 got knocked down once by Mike Tyson, and he said I thought he was 795 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.000 going to say, oh, man done. He said, I got to 796 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.599 figure out how to get back up and knock him out. And to me, 797 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.320 I was like, wow, that's interesting mindset. And again one of 798 00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:30.559 those signs of resilience that you learned as a child, when you fail, 799 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.880 you come back up and try it again until you win it. And just 800 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.320 talk about that. Family and leadership resonated with me on that part. And 801 00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.920 I think, you know, when I tell people, yeah, I've been 802 00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.159 married thirty five years, they think it's all like skipping through the daisies, 803 00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:51.760 and man, it's not. It's not that way at all. And I 804 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:57.400 would say that my wife and I have had some knockdown, drag out fights. 805 00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.840 But then at the end of the day, and I'm not I mean, 806 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:01.960 I'm not trying to say I'm a great person or a great dad. 807 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.199 That's not what I'm saying. Man, I'm struggling. And I guess what 808 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:12.880 the message I want to pass to the people that will listen to this is 809 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:19.840 that I've been successful because of my wife and my family and my faith and 810 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.679 what I've done in the military and fighting through that. Whether you're fighting for 811 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:29.320 your family, you're fighting for your faith, you're fighting for your job, 812 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.360 whatever it might be, man, you gotta fight for it. And it's 813 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:37.320 if it's worth I mean, you tell me who has a child is not 814 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.840 worth fighting for. They're all worth fighting for, you know. I mean, 815 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:45.519 so don't think that you know I'm some special person. I'm not. 816 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.719 I'm a dirt bag just like every other SF guy out there. I'm very 817 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.000 lucky that my wife stuck with me through all the rough times, and I'm 818 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:58.320 sure that we'll have more rough times to come. So it's been a it's 819 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.719 been an advent sure for her. I keep telling her she needs to write 820 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.679 a book because her book would be way more interesting than mine. But yeah, 821 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.559 you know, it's it's I'm not gonna beat the dead horse, but 822 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.119 yeah, take care of your family and and and whatever that is. Like 823 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:20.000 I talked about faith, I mean, that's something I've struggled with too. 824 00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.639 And you know, if you don't have that, I feel sorry for you. 825 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.559 But I do have that, and that's helped me through some of the 826 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.159 really tough times too. That's true. I can't have a lot of individuals. 827 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.719 And it's interesting because when you talked about vigilance earlier, there's a lot 828 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:39.719 of awareness and I'm noticing with a lot of you guys, there's not only 829 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:44.800 did you have to be really aware of your environment and other people, but 830 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:47.760 a lot of you have translated back into your family. Being aware of when 831 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.800 you're impacting your wife or your children in a negative way like we all do. 832 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.760 You don't have to be special forces or anything like that to do that. 833 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:00.719 We could impact them negatively all the time. But being aware when we're 834 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:04.280 affecting them in a negative sense and say, hey, what's wrong? Did 835 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.719 I do something that I say something? Or are you going through a tough 836 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:12.639 time? What's happening right now? And just being noticing them when they're down 837 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.960 and out, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's sometime that's hard and 838 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.159 get we get bullheaded. We come home and we're throwing stuff and we don't 839 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.599 want to talk about because we've had a crappy day. Well what's crappier staying 840 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.840 at home with the kids and changing diapers all day or going out and doing 841 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.920 what we do. DoD God, I'd much rather go get shot at than 842 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.400 sit around the house and have to change diapers every day. And I'm not 843 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.559 saying that that I'm not minimizing what they do. That's the way more important 844 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.679 job than being in the military, being a mother, being a father. 845 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.519 That's way more important than any of that other stuff. So you know, 846 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:52.039 that's the hand that rocks the cruel, the hand that rocks the cradle rules 847 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.559 the world. Right there you go. You know, in our last few 848 00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.679 minutes together, I could be here all day with you, but you got 849 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:00.320 work to do and I got work to do. Well, what I wanted 850 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:06.079 to ask you, I always like to get your perspectives on the news and 851 00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.199 nothing news really but the movie world in Hollywood, because it gain is a 852 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:13.480 really weird oppression. When I talked to cops before, I asked him, 853 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.000 hey, do you think dirty Harry helped, They're like, well, not 854 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:22.280 anymore. Maybe forty fifty years ago. Yeah, And now I look back 855 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.000 and I see Rambo, right even though so the salon's still making movies a 856 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:29.639 ninety or whatever he is, and he's doing a great job. But Rambo 857 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:34.880 is another one that kind of gave a different impression about green Berets, even 858 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:38.760 though he was being bullied and harassed, if you want to use today's terminology 859 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:44.679 by that cop in the very first movie. Yeah, but you know, 860 00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.159 we see movies like that, We see movies like Apocalypse now, way back 861 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:53.519 when, things of that nature. What do you think about Hollywood's depiction of 862 00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:59.119 the military. Do you think? Is it so so? First Blood? 863 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:07.360 That was a great movie, and there was so Jack Carr, the writer 864 00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:12.119 is a good friend of mine, and I didn't under I didn't even understand 865 00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:14.920 what was going on there. And I didn't even know that in the David 866 00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.559 Morel book that was written. You know, Rambo dies at the end of 867 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:23.079 that. So in that movie, they actually tested two different endings, one 868 00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:27.920 he died and one he lived. And I guess they realized that it'd be 869 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.800 better if he lived because they could make another eighty five. You know. 870 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:37.239 I guess Rambo conquers Alzheimer's or whatever. You know. I think in the 871 00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.960 last movie. I'm trying to remember if he died in the last movie or 872 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.639 not. But anyway, he beat the cartels the last movie. Okay, 873 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:50.840 there we go. It's that first movie was very I don't know if inspirational 874 00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.440 is the word for me, but I love that movie and to this day, 875 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.880 I did a thing with Black Rifle Coffee a while back where we watched 876 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.840 that movie and we did a veteran's rehaction. I'm telling you, that is 877 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:05.800 a that is such a realistic movie. Other than a couple of the things 878 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.199 where they were shooting eight laws or at fours or whatever they were shooting in 879 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.400 there, that might have been a little bit fictitious, but overall it was 880 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.840 a pretty a pretty realistic movie. Now it ended with that movie. The 881 00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:20.039 rest of them they were just over the top. And I haven't even seen 882 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:24.079 all the other all the other movies, but I think that I'm gonna I'm 883 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:31.960 gonna skip ahead to what's the name of the movie, The guy with all 884 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:38.079 the fancy gun handling skills? Yeah, yeah, Wick, Okay, So 885 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.760 here's what I would say about that. That guy has actually trained very hard 886 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:50.320 to be able to handle weapons a little bit more realistically. Now, John 887 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.559 Granted, yeah, granted, what he's doing in that movie is is fictitious. 888 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:59.280 However, it's it's way better than some of the other movies that you 889 00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.920 see out there that where guys are handling guns and you can tell they've never 890 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.480 they've never handled a gun. So my hat's off to him for going out 891 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.559 and getting the training. We have a guy that works with fighting tactics. 892 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:14.079 He also works with Flear, a guy named Chili Palmer, and he that's 893 00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:15.880 not his real name, but that's what he goes by, Chili Palmer. 894 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:22.519 He does some stuff with movies and trains the actors how to be how to 895 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.960 handle their weapons correctly. And when you see a movie that he's worked on, 896 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.400 it makes a big difference. So it's kind of nice to see that 897 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:37.920 he went from being a special Operations sergeant major like myself and very good good 898 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:39.599 friend of mine. Like I mean, I'm tighter with him than I am 899 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:44.280 with any of my my real family, you know what I mean. So 900 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:50.199 he's he's he is truly my brother, and he's he's working on his second 901 00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:54.039 movie now, which is Gray Man, So it's that. Yeah, So 902 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.519 he's been working on that, and it just tells me that it's going to 903 00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:01.239 be a good movie because he's gonna going to handle guns the way that a 904 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.719 real you know, in a cop or a military guy sees it to be, 905 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.039 Like, yeah, that's you know, that's realistic. So I don't 906 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.559 know if if I answered your question or not there, but well you did. 907 01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:14.639 It was actually a fascinating answers. I've never heard that depiction of Rambo 908 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:19.800 before, and I really don't have Obviously, you have to understand, I 909 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.440 think most people are starting to get the chest of it that these movies don't 910 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:28.119 represent reality. But some people, especially twenty years ago, they didn't. 911 01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.480 They just thought, oh, watch Green Berets stuff. But I look at 912 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.480 it now, like you mentioned, if you take back and look at it 913 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:36.920 again, there's a lot of skill sets that he has that are really beneficial 914 01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.679 that he showed people if you get stuck out of the forest somewhere, how 915 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:44.800 to survive, how to find food and water and shelter and do these things. 916 01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:47.480 And he was doing all that stuff in the movie. Now. You 917 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:52.360 know, earlier you said, did watching the Green Berets did that have any 918 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:57.440 influence on you joined the military? Well, watching Rambo First Blood did not 919 01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:04.039 influence I don't really think it influenced me joining the military. But I'm going 920 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:08.880 to tell you that movie man that motivated me. I mean, I see 921 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:13.360 this guy and I'm like, Okay, I'm not gonna take steroids and get 922 01:01:13.400 --> 01:01:16.840 all jacked up like Sylvester Stallone. However, the cool knife that he had, 923 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:22.880 that Jimmy Lyle knife, which I've only seen one of those in person 924 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:27.920 in real life ever, and that was in Saudi Arabia, and it was 925 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:34.119 a female MP that had that knife. Her dad had gotten that knife, 926 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:36.559 I believe, for And I saw that knife and I was like, is 927 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.320 that a Jimmy Lyle knife? And she goes, how'd you know that? 928 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:43.239 And I said, Rambo, that is the knife. That is the real 929 01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.800 knife. Jimmy Lyle is long since passed away, but it's interesting to see 930 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:52.159 that. I mean, now, I'm making knives. I've been forging knives 931 01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.119 and tomahawks for the last few years, really getting into it and studying all 932 01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:59.679 this stuff. And I still when I see that knife, that's one of 933 01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:04.159 my It's one of the most unrealistic knives you could ever own. But that's 934 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.400 a really cool knife. So an unconscious influence on you, yeah, I 935 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.480 guess so. I mean, it's yeah, it's kind of crazy. But 936 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:15.400 I'm during a psycho psychoanalysis of Kyle Lamb today, folks. You know, 937 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.519 one of the I got one more thing on movies. Of course. Actually 938 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:21.800 I wanted to ask about black Hawk Down, but go ahead, and that's 939 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.119 what I was gonna actually talk about. Perfect. So I have had a 940 01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:32.119 whole bunch of soldiers and former soldiers that have talked to me, have have 941 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.079 told me, they're like, I don't know if I should tell you this 942 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.920 or not, but the movie black Hawk Down was was one of the reasons 943 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:45.840 I joined the military. And it's been a bunch of guys that have told 944 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.760 me that. Wow. And I had nothing to do with Blackhawk Down. 945 01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.199 I mean, I was there for the real mission, but for the movie, 946 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.000 I had nothing to do with that. But to me, it's it. 947 01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:02.880 They did something right that you would inspire these men to join the military, 948 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.239 and I'm sure it inspired some women to do it as well. I 949 01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:08.559 haven't met the woman that has told me that, but I've met a bunch 950 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:10.679 of these young men that have told me that. And now, you know, 951 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:14.880 and some of them have went in and served their twenty years and now 952 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.639 they're out and their inspiration was that movie. So that's you know, that's 953 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:23.880 to me, that's kind of cool to be somehow associated with that. The 954 01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:31.000 movie is a movie it's not. It's not a documentary. So if you 955 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.199 say, oh, what was it like there, it wasn't like that. 956 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:38.000 It was different than that. But it from what I've heard, it's pretty 957 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.760 good movie. I saw it one time with some of the guys I've served 958 01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:45.679 with over there, and I really don't have a desire to see it again. 959 01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:51.719 But I you know, from everybody I've talked to, they say it's 960 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:57.320 a pretty good movie. Now, Saving Private Ryan another great movie. I 961 01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:02.480 believe there are a few of those. A Bridge to Far are another great 962 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.199 movie, and that kind of goes back to my eighty second history being in 963 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:11.320 the five or fourth Parachute Infantry Regiment. Those are the guys that what was 964 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:18.000 his name? Fonda, Peter Henry Fonda? What's the young guy? Is 965 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:23.599 it Fonda? What's the what movie was it? It was A Bridge too 966 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.599 Far? Bridge too Far? Okay, I'll look for it. I'll tell 967 01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:29.639 you what. I'm trying to remember the guys. What the guy's name is 968 01:04:29.679 --> 01:04:32.920 it? Is it? I can't remember. Maybe he's not a Fonda. 969 01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:38.440 I thought he was a Fonda. Let's see A Bridge too Far. We're 970 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:42.199 looking it up, folks, and you're probably yelling at this at the podcast 971 01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:49.199 right now. Yeah, they're telling damn, Robert, I got James Cohn, 972 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:54.239 I got Michael Caine, Sean Connery, Gene Hackman, Robert Redford, 973 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.760 Robert Redford, that's it. He's not a boy. Robert Redford is going 974 01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:00.599 to be pissed that I called him a fond. I mean, I was 975 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:06.760 probably think of his political views, so I was probably thinking of Jane Fonda. 976 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:13.280 That's how let's not go there. Anyway, that's a that's a really 977 01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:17.800 uh breathtake. It's a it's a sad movie if you know the real history, 978 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.880 because we got our butts kicked there. But it's it's uh, it's 979 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:25.880 a great that is a great movie. It's an old movie, but it's 980 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.280 it's one worth worth checking out. So anyway, I'll definitely tell people to 981 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.840 catch that one, because I know we're always looking to get people to be 982 01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:38.320 able to how would you say catch a movie that's more depicts more reality. 983 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:40.960 It's one of our big things. That's what we're trying to do. And 984 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.400 actually, next kind of funnyuse next week, I think we have a guy. 985 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:49.280 I'm not a guy, but former mac v sock. That awesome. 986 01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:53.440 Yeah, so we wanted to show a little bit about that. John Meyer, 987 01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.440 I think his nickname was Tilt or something if I remember correctly, on 988 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.960 the military. Super nice guy. So I can't wait to learn about that. 989 01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.639 Well, you kind of answered the question about my clock down because I 990 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.400 was getting ready to ask you in the sense of that. I know, 991 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:14.320 I asked Dan Shilling. We talked about him before the show, and it 992 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:17.440 was the movie itself was just intense. I mean, you just can't relax. 993 01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.039 The first five minutes is quiet, and then the rest of the movie 994 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:27.159 just doesn't stop. So I knew that probably wasn't necessarily exactly what happened there, 995 01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:32.239 but yeah, he definitely he showed a good side of Mogadishue and his 996 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:36.320 experiences there and what he saw and what he went through. So intense stuff. 997 01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:40.119 And again, I thank you very much for your service and if you're 998 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.000 doing that for us, we truly appreciate it. Yes, sir, I 999 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:46.639 guess my last couple of the things here were getting ready to wrap up. 1000 01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:51.119 We talked about Hollywood, by the way, because I think we were similar 1001 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:59.119 ages. Do you remember Paladin Paladin the Cowboy movie? Yeah, I don't 1002 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:02.159 know if I'm not sure if I've ever done. Yeah, I probably have 1003 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.320 seen it, but it obviously didn't stick with me. I was a I 1004 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:12.000 did like John Wayne's westerns and Glenn Eastwood's westerns. Oh, gun Smoke, 1005 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:17.119 Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Matt Dlon and uh well, So I was 1006 01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:20.280 just telling a buddy of mine this the other day. So my son is 1007 01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:25.840 named Lucas, and he's named after Lucas McCain. So that was Rifleman. 1008 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.000 The Rifleman had a gun that didn't exist in the time period when that was 1009 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.320 made. I mean supposedly, that's what they say. So I'm trying to 1010 01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:40.920 remember what his real name was. Connors, Yeah, Chuck Connors. He 1011 01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:44.440 so he had that lever gun and you know, he could do all this 1012 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.519 fancy work with it. But supposedly that lever gun was not the right gun 1013 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:53.039 for that period that they were trying to portray. I also, and it 1014 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.280 was funny. I just saw these movies the other day. I saw, 1015 01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:59.199 or not movies, but shows. I saw Matt Dillon, Gun Smoke. 1016 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:09.440 I saw The Riflemen and Bonanza Bonanza. There you go, Bonanza one. 1017 01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:17.319 If you look at Lorne Green and Haas, I forget what his real name 1018 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:23.119 is. And then the other guy that was on lor Engles Wilder. Yeah, 1019 01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:27.039 Michael Landon. You watch these guys ride their horses. They know how 1020 01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.279 to ride a horse. It's not you know in some of the movies now 1021 01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:32.119 when you see it. Very rarely do you see a horse in a movie 1022 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:36.560 these days, unless you watch something that's made in China. They still use 1023 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:41.279 a lot of horses in their movies. The Mulan is one of the kind 1024 01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.039 of a kid a kids well, it's a very violent kids show. They 1025 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.239 have great horse scenes in there, and I believe that was filmed in China. 1026 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.760 But yeah, I really like the horseman part of it. When you 1027 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:55.279 see John Wayne riding a horse, he looked like he knew what he was 1028 01:08:55.319 --> 01:09:00.760 doing. When you saw any of those the two boys or the dad in 1029 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:05.439 Bonanza, they looked like they knew what they're doing. Chuck Connors, I 1030 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:09.520 can't remember those guys. Yeah, I remember, Oh yeah, I remember 1031 01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:14.319 Wanted with Steven Queen. He had that really cool whatever the gun he had 1032 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:19.439 sought out shotgun thing. Yeah, yeah, that was bizarre, fascinating stuff. 1033 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:21.479 You can be here all day talking about Memory Lane. A lot of 1034 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:25.680 cool movies back then. Yeah, I think that you make me think about 1035 01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:27.800 the old Cowboy. Yeah. I think the last Cowboy movie that I really 1036 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:31.239 enjoyed was Tombstone. Yeah, I don't think I've watched that more than one 1037 01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:36.920 hundred and fifty times. I don't know what it is about that movie. 1038 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.640 Yeah, you know, and the my buddy Skinner. He he told me 1039 01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:45.000 to read a certain book about Wyatt because Wyatt Earp was actually kind of a 1040 01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:49.560 not a not probably a very good person. But uh, that movie is 1041 01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:56.560 amazing. Yeah, amazing. Oh, they did such such a good job 1042 01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.840 with those characters. Absolutely, mister, it's been a pleasure and honor having 1043 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.760 you here today. Thank you so much for taking the time. Yeah, 1044 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:09.680 thanks for having me. This has been a lot of fun. And yeah, 1045 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:13.359 for all the men and women out there serving, whether they're you know, 1046 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.800 whatever you're doing to serve. Hey, America loves you for that, 1047 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:21.159 and just stop watching the news, just listen to the good people that are 1048 01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:25.239 out on the streets. They love you, so keep doing what you're doing. 1049 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:30.319 Absolutely, absolutely again, folks. Kyle Lamb from Vikings Tactics Viking Tactics 1050 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:34.039 dot Com definitely go check it out. We talked about three of his books, 1051 01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:39.239 Green Eyes and Black rifles stay in the fight and the most recent leadership 1052 01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:43.960 in the Shadows Special Operations Soldier Kmyle Lamb folks make sure to share, like 1053 01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:45.680 and hit that subscribe button.