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Hey, everybody, this is Less
Striding. Yes, yes, I know

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aka Surviving Man, and you're listening
to Brian on Sasquatch Oddis. Hey guys,

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welcome back to Sasquatch Odds. Thank
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It is Sunday. I hope you
guys have had a great weekend. You

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have an amazing show line Deft for
you. But as always, I want

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to start by inviting you. If
you've had an encounter and you'd like to

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be on the show, shoot me
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out, become a member there and
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holding on to this audio from an
interview that I did over on the Discovering

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Bigfoot podcast with Kyle fur. I
think this was done like last August,

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so it's over a year old,
but I thought it was very fitting because

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as you listen to this right now, I am literally in Canada with Kyle

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and Tide standing up in the Radium, BC area starting our expedition. This

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was a really cool conversation. We
talk about plenty of things other than Tide

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standing, but we certainly get into
the tide standing conversation about some of the

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videos, but we talk about all
kinds of things with Bigfoot. Kyle was

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a really good host of this show. He's very into it if he's very

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intelligent when it comes to big Foot
stuff, and I really enjoyed this conversation

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and I think you guys will as
well. That said, I'm going to

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remind you once again, if you
haven't already, please find that Bigfoot Podcast

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first five episodes on Friday, October
thirteenth, so you definitely don't want to

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miss that. It's going to be
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different than anything you've heard on Sasquatch
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that show now. You can listen
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You can also follow that show on
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now, I'm gonna let the music
play and we're gonna get into this Discovering

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Bigfoot interview with Kyle. I hope
you guys enjoy it, So sit back,

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relax and enjoy the show. How's
it going, everybody? Welcome to

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the Discovering Bigfoot Podcast. I'm your
host, Kyle, and today we have

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another awesome, amazing special guest.
We have Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey podcast and

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today we're just gonna hit some basics
and see what he thinks about Todd and

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his videos. Thanks for coming on
the show. Absolutely, man, I'm

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glad to be here. I appreciate
it all help you've given me with my

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podcasts and all that other stuff.
Yeah, so what made you want to

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do podcasts? Where did that come
from? I've always done some kind of

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entertainment. I sing in bands when
I was a kid, and I turned

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down a record deal when I was
like sixteen, so I was used to

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doing some kind of entertainment. It
was typically in front of a crowd,

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so I guess it made some kind
of sense for me to do something along

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these lines eventually. But I started
listening to podcasts just a couple of years

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ago. I'd never listened to podcast
in the Past, and somebody turned me

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on to Sasquatch Chronicles, So I
started listening to Wes and his show,

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and I liked what he was doing, and I was always interested because I

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had experiences in the past that I
couldn't explain, so I was trying to

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find information and knowledge as much as
I possibly could about bigfoot sasquatch. So

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I thought, why don't I just
start looking for people in the area that

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I grew up in in the southeast
Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South

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Carolina, those areas and see who's
had encounters and maybe try to document some

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of those. So that's what I
did. The first couple of shows that

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I ended up doing were local shows
to me here in North Carolina. I

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was born and raised in Georgia and
I've been in North Carolina for about four

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years now, and the very first
show that I ever did was a roadside

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crossing story that this guy had an
encounter in North Carolina, and it just

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grew from there. So I guess
the short answer to the question would be

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I just started listening to podcasts and
I thought that's something I should probably try

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to do, and the rest is
history. Here I am, so we'll

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cut you onto like just Bigfoot,
how come you didn't go into aliens or

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doing strictly alien stuff for anything like
that, because there's a thousand different topics

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out there, like why big Foot? Did you have an encounter of that

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that's worked that off for Yeah,
when I was about twelve years old.

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I've told this story on my show
a couple of times another podcast as a

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guest. It's a really boring story. Really. I'm twelve years old,

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I'm out squirrel hunting and the foothills
in North Georgia and I get paced out

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of the woods by something. I
don't know what it was. I could

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here this huffing, this growling,
this bluff charging kind of stuff that was

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going on. I never saw anything, but it started with that feeling of

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the hair standing up on the back
of your neck and you just know,

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and I'm not supposed to be here. It's time for me to go.

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And at twelve years old, you
get spooked in the woods, but it's

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in the middle of the day,
right, there's nothing to be spooked about.

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Well, when I got that feeling, I knew something wasn't right.

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And then it started escalating with the
huffing and the growling, and it didn't

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sound like anything that I had ever
heard before. It heard just about everything

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there was to hear in the woods. At that point, I'd heard her

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deer. I'd heard just about everything
there was and it didn't sound like anything

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I'd ever heard before. And then
the bluff charging started and I thought,

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yeah, it's time to go,
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and then jumping over the barbed wire
fence. I didn't tell anybody about it.

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I didn't tell my mom about it, and we lived in a haunted

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house at the time, So I
had all kinds of like paranormal experiences going

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on. And fast forward to sixteen, I saw UFO. So I had

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these experiences, but the one thing
that really stuck out to me was that

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experience when I was twelve and the
possibility that there was something out there that

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was undiscovered in the woods. Because
I grew up in North Georgia and I

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heard so many stories growing up about
people who had experiences with the big Foot

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in Sasquatch. Unlike UFOs, people
didn't talk about living in haunted houses.

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People didn't talk about living in places
where they saw UFOs or had alien abduction

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experiences, but jensing hunters would come
down off the mountains and talk about the

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boogers and the big Foot and the
Sasquatch and things that they were seeing.

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So I grew up with that being
then accepted thing in the area. So

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I guess that's what really sparked my
interest in that. And of course I've

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since started a paranormal podcast, and
I do a paranormal podcast in addition to

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the Sasquatch stuff, but that has
always been and will probably be my main

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focus when it comes to cryptids and
the weird stuff. Now do you think

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it is that because it's more tangible
and maybe because it's more physical than the

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paranormal and the UFO stuff. I
think it is because it's something that could

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possibly be there, Right, I've
seen a UFO. I don't know if

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there was a little green man or
a little gray man flying this ship that

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I saw. Pretty sure it wasn't
one of ours. Pretty sure it was

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from somewhere other than here, but
I can't prove that, right. I

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was just watching a documentary before we
hopped on here for some research I'm doing

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for another show, and they're talking
about all of the discovery that's going on,

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and I've learned things just watching this
documentary that I didn't know I had

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went on with the government disclosure and
how deep it's really gone with them admitting

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that we may be visited by creatures
from another world. But even at that,

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it's very difficult to prove that until
they land on the White House lawn

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and say hey, here we are. It's going to be difficult to prove

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that. But the possibility that there's
some sort of upright relic hominoid maybe roaming

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the woods in North America, seems
a little more plausible to me. I

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know people probably think that's crazy,
but it seems a lot more plausible to

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me. And I think it's something
that can be proven with science, and

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that's why I try to have a
scientific approach when I researched the subject and

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when I have conversations with people about
it. So do you think it's going

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to be when it comes down to
actually proving the species? Do you think

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it's going to have to come down
to a body beat out or taken?

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I do, I definitely do.
I've said that plenty of times on the

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show. I don't want to be
the guy who goes out and pulls the

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trigger. But it's going to take
that. Because I just remastered one of

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my shows. You and I were
talking about that before we came on the

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air. I'm going back and doing
some of the remastering of some of my

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early shows that really sucked when I
didn't know how to podcast, and I'm

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predoing the interviews where it's actually listenable, so the audio is much better than

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what it was initially. And today
I did the Ron moorehead episode. It

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was like episode seven of my show. It's one of the things that Ron

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and I talked about was what's it
going to take to prove that these things

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are real and that they exist?
And we talked about DNA evidence. He's

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a big proponent of some of the
DNA evidence that Melba Ketcham did quite a

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while back. That's a pretty controversial
thing in the bigfoot community. I'm not

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even sure where I stand on it, to be honest with you. I've

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seen the breakdowns and I think there
was a lot of mistakes made there,

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but ultimately DNA is not going to
be enough. I could go out and

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find DNA in my backyard tomorrow and
send it off to some lab and then

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come back and say it's unknown DNA, or it's part neandertal and part Homo

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florensiensis, or whatever the case may
be. It's still not going to prove

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the existence of sasquatch in and of
itself. There has to be a specimen,

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possibly two, that science can say, Okay, this is what it

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is. Now let's go find the
rest of them and study the behaviors and

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do the Jane Goodall thing and see
what they're all about. That's fair enough,

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But I have an argument for you. So when scientists or even just

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people in general want to discover new
species, Let's say in the Amazon someone

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saw one. Let's say it's a
certain tiger with a different set of stripes.

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It looks a little bit different.
Right, In our knowledge of animals,

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we have people who are specialty at
tigers and especially with lions, especially

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with monkeys. They know the footprints, they know how they're gonna habituate,

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they know what they're eating, they
know all that stuff, they know where

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they're going to be. So if
we have people out there like Todd standing

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like me, like everyone in our
cooperation, and also everybody out there that

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is doing the same thing trying to
habituate with a troop. If you know

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where they're going to be, you
have the money backing you to send side

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to sin there with the correct film
proponents. When they go into the Amazon

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to look for these animals, they
find the footprints, they find the sign,

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they find the habitat, and they
sit there for weeks on end until

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they get a picture and it's an
HD quality like un like justifiable completely.

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It can't be fake. This is
the real animal. We have a picture

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of it, we have footprint evidence
of it, we have what they're eating.

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It's all legit. Now they're through
in the book their species. Why

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can't we do that with sasquash.
Why can't we send a couple of true,

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legitimate wildlife biologists with guides such as
Todd Standing or me or whoever else

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into an area where they're known to
be, where we have footage of them

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previously, where we can go in
and just sit. If it takes two

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three weeks, it shouldn't be an
issue to make that happen. And that's

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why I don't stand behind killing one, because I don't think we necessarily need

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to. I think we can send
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this true prior, and the troop
is comfortable with them. And if they

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sit there, hopefully long enough,
and they have the financials backing to pay

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these people and all that other stuff, that we'll be able to just get

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that HD picture and we'll have the
footprint evidence on file because I'll have all

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that. That's what they do when
they go to the Amazon to look for

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these animals. Why can't we do
that with sasquatch? All right, I'm

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gonna throw your argument back at you. Haven't we already done that? Hasn't

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Todd Standing done that, interacted with
the troop, found footprints, documented their

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eating and movement habits, and he
has HD quality video of numerous specimens.

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So why isn't that enough? Because
it just wasn't with the right people,

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thought standing. Nobody knew him,
nobody knew who he was, nobody knew

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his knee, nothing, and then
all of a sudden you threw out these

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videos into the Internet. And I
think because he didn't have maybe Jeff Meldrum

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out there with him, or people
out there who had a big enough name,

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a trusted name, a well known
name, and had the right camera

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equipment, or even the right training
to go out there with him and back

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what he said and back his footage
and have someone sign off on his stuff.

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Jeff did later on. But to
have that experience and to have those

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pictures come from a wildlife biology,
Like if Jeff Meldrum went out on the

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woods and got footage or an HD
picture that was his own, it'd be

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a done deal. Yeah, I
tend to agree with it. I threw

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that back just for fun really,
because it's not really a fair question.

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I totally get what you're saying.
Sure, if Jeff Meldrum took a team

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of people out or even some of
the people from North American would ape conservancy.

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Some of those guys or even Kathy
Strains people out there that are in

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the community, that may have a
little bit of a different standing, you

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know, pun intending in the community, if they had a little different standing

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in the community, then I think
it would be taken more seriously. So

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sure, I think to your point, I think that is a possibility,

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and it would be enough if somebody
took it seriously enough. But that's a

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whole another ball of wax to get
into, right, is why isn't science

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doing that with all of the evidence
that we have to date that science should

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be taken this seriously. You have
done entire shows where I've read scientific papers

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and talked about this scientific paradox that
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being taken seriously in the scientific community, and why there's only a couple of

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names that we can drop that even
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Jeff Meldrums and the late John binder
Noggle and some of those people that took

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this very seriously. Grovercrantz comes to
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it's never going to happen. So
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to be collected because that's the only
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current climate. Now, sure,
if things change, You're absolutely right,

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a team could go out and spend
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and all be all proof could be
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the only way to prove it is
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I'll agree to disagree with you on
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a little bit of a rapp hole
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obviously running your podcast, you had
to have had some emails coming from an

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unknown or coming from someone that said, don't mention my name. This is

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what happened. I was told not
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lose my career. Are you comfortable
getting into that a little bit maybe talking

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about some of those crazy stories.
Sure. And I haven't had as many

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of those as I've actually had people
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There was one guy in particular that
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that had an encounter with sasquatch and
then was visited on the side of

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the road by what he described as
men in black that told him that's not

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what he saw. He needed to
stop talking about what he saw and those

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kind of things. And I've had
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they've had visits from folks. And
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Ron moorehead. I'll go back to
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so it's fresh on my mind.
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government conspiracy thing, and I've had
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over again during the course of doing
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theory. There's tons of conspiracy theory
books next to my bed. I'm reading

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one or just finished one called The
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Right, So I'm all about a
good conspiracy theory. Here's the problem or

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the rub for me with Bigfoot.
I've always had this issue with why why

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is there a conspiracy? Why would
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used to think my theory was in
the beginning, it's got to do with

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the forestry industry, right, and
all the things and all the money that

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generates. And of course let's not
forget the national parks break in tons and

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tons of money and donations and other
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keep those things open. I think
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with after having a conversation with people
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it would do as far as disrupting
our known science. Not think about that

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for a second. If the government
came out tomorrow, or if somebody came

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out tomorrow and proved that Sasquatch and
Bigfoot was a real thing, not just

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the phenomenon. We're talking about the
actual creature is real. If that happened

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and we started looking at Darwinism,
what we know about evolution, what we

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know about the dinosaurs and the Neanderthals
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us. What if these things turn
out to be a haman In and we're

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coexisting alongside a haman Nin. We're
not talking about a relic tominoid. We're

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talking about an actual haman Nin that
is so much closer to us. On

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this bushy tree that we came from, we had no idea. So what

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if that happens, and then you
get into religion. Let's not even talk

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about religion and what people think about
that and how that would turn everything on

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its ear. So I think it
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maybe than just the forestry industry and
just the money. But is it

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possible there's a conspiracy theory out there. I don't think everybody that's brought that

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up to me in the past is
crazy. I think they've had some of

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those experiences. And there's been people
that have changed their name that have come

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on the show first name, and
some of the states are even different.

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don't really make that a big deal, but a lot of people I say

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tons, but it's probably been two
dozen over the course of one hundred and

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eighty plus shows. They have asked
me not to say they're real and really

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where they're from because they are afraid
of losing their job or some kind of

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repercussions, not necessarily from the government
in particular, some of them are government

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employees, so that does play a
part, but it's more related to being

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looked at as a nut job and
then this actual conspiracy I think to suppress

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what's really going on. I share
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I grew up the logging industry.
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or loggers. That's what I did
growing up. So I understand that logging

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aspect of it because there's a lot
of money involved in it. And when

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you're talking about supply for a country
coming out of let's say Canada produces eighty

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percent and I probably am wrong about
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eighty percent of the lumber for US. Now, if we cut that in

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about half, let's say, if
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a huge issue for them because not
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they have to now pull out from
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a hominen, they have land rights, which weaves, fish and wildlife is

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going to have to get involved.
They're gonna have to figure out everything that

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we've already done the research on and
set up perimeters and have fifty sixty seventy

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seventy five mile radius that's now untouchable
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right back after these messages. That's

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a huge number of logging industries that
are just gonna get destroyed and go out

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of business because of that. So
obviously the money gets tax off that the

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government ain't gonna let that slide.
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reasons it's getting covered up is because
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also, like you said, with
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be a big shocker to a lot
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line, there's this branch on this
tree that previously is unknown and has never

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been known, and now we have
to fit it in somewhere, and that

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tree as is pretty full. Where
are we going to put that? How

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does it fit? How are we
going to live with that? Knowing that

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you can go to Damp National Park
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these people aren't going to want to
go out and go camping in remote areas.

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They're not gonna want to go horseback
riding on twenty mile trails out in

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the backwoods of the Rockies. They're
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So I get that, but it's
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homini. I believe they're more involved
than we are, and we need to

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figure this out the right way so
that it doesn't end up like the Indians,

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where they have tiny ass little reserves
after two hundred years and we phase

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them out. That's not okay.
I don't want to do that. That's

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not right, that's not just we
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kind of money right now, and

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until the right time comes, or
the right person comes and has undeniable proof

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of it, we won't know how
that's going to affect everybody. I've heard

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stories, and I've listened to other
podcasts that have had stories on there about

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government employees coming on and taking out
families of Sasquatch in certain areas. We've

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all heard those stories. Some of
them im improven. I think it's hoaxes,

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and some of them are still out
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you will. I do think that
some of those things that probably happened,

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and I do think the government knows
something about these things. I've said this

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so many times on my show.
I was in government employee for sixteen years.

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You would be surprised the ship that
the government doesn't know. Everybody expects

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that everybody who's in charge knows everything
that is not entirely accurate. Okay,

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municipality level, when you're talking about like

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the city of Atlanta, I used
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So the city of Atlanta is a
huge metropolitan city, the left hand very

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rarely never knew what the right hand
was doing. So when you talk about

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you're going out into the federal government
that type of size entity, there's so

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many things that so many people don't
know so yes, are they aware.

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I'm sure that they're a sasquatch out
there. Have they probably sent teams out

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to kill them in the past,
probably? So did they take the time

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to do the research and the science
and recover the specimens and maybe they know

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more about what they are than we
do? Is that possible? Sure?

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under wraps. In my opinion,
I could be wrong. I've been wrong

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before. I just don't think it's
as vast as some people think. I

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think they do probably know more than
you are, high, but that may

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not be saying a whole lot at
the end of the day. Yeah,

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no, I agree with you there. I know that Todd had an experience

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with something along those lines happening,
and I don't know if he talks about

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it on the show, and I
don't want to talk about it now because

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I'd rather come from him on the
show, But I will bring that up

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next time I have him on.
But I wanted to get your idea and

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your opinion on that because obviously I
have my thoughts on it, and being

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that you have a lot more influence
and a lot more followers than I do

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right now. You would have some
stories on that too, so thank you

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for sharing that. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, So when we talk about

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the UFOs and stuff like that too, I've noticed that a lot of people

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are having hand in hand kind of
encounters with a UFO sightings or orbs and

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stuff like that following or before a
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I had Caitlyn on the show too, and she talked about hers, and

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I had that happen with me.
I didn't see the ORB, but my

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dad saw one. And I said
on my first podcast with Todd, my

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dad is my rock or actually know
that was a podcast with you. My

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dad's my rock. My dad is
my hero. He's Superman. He has

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no reason to come up with stuff
like that at all. And it wasn't

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in my category of thoughts until I
woke up that next morning and he said

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I saw an ORB. I was
like, okay, all right, this

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is this needs to be talked about
and brought up and figured out. And

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like I said before, with the
government conspiracies in your opinion, are you

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starting to see that change too,
where we're getting into UFOs and all this

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other paranormal stuff is starting to become
hand in hand with sasquatch. Yeah.

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This so many people that I've talked
to over the course of doing the show

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that have had multiple encounters with different
things that they can't explain, whether it

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be orbs, or whether it be
strange lights in the sky, or even

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seeing craft before daring and sometimes after
sasquatch encounters. And I initially I never

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poopooed any of that because I've had
some of those experiences myself, So I

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can't say you're crazy because you saw
a UFO or you saw a strange light

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at the same time, I was
putting them into boxes. That's what my

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cop brain does, is that's got
to go in a box over here,

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that goes over here. But the
more I talk to people, the more

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it seemed that everything, in some
way, a way I don't know yet,

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is somehow connected. And people have
told me that so many times on

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the show. Everything is connected.
So I used to instead of saying right

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now, instead of saying, yeah, you're seeing these lights, and you're

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seeing these orbs on your property and
you're having this sort of habituation situation with

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a sasquatch. That's just a lot
of weird stuff going on, but it

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has nothing to do with the other. Right, I'm more in the vein

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of now trying to connect those dots. I still haven't been able to do

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that. I don't know what it
means. I don't know why Caitlin had

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this incident where she had this or
following her and her mother and then she

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has a bigfoot account and she saw
the identical sasquatch exactly, and she has

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this thing where it's possibly this sort
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of situation with this bigfoot, and
then she sees it. It's real,

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It's right there in her face.
I don't know what that means, and

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I don't think anybody does. Obviously, everything we're talking about it and any

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of this stuff is really speculation.
But I don't know how it couldn't be

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connected in some way at this point
now, I don't know what that means.

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I don't know if it means that
bigfoot is somehow more than just a

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flesh and blood creature, because I'll
tell you, five days out of seven,

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I think they're just a flesh and
blood creature. I think they're more

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along the lines of some sort of
like tominoid, or like you said,

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maybe even possibly a hominy in.
I don't know, but I lend most

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of the experiences that I've documented to
just being a flesh and blood creature that

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eats and poops and procreates just like
we do and any other animal on Earth.

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these other experiences like mind speak,

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well, I had less stride on
the show he talked about that I know

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other people have had on the show. I've had other experiences where they've seemed

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to have had some sort of mind
speak or telepathic communication with these things,

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or they frankly disappear. And I
used to say that's more of an environmental

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thing. It was a lighting thing. It's very easy to disappear in the

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woods. I'm pretty good in the
woods. I can go out, and

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I'm pretty stealthy. And if I
was playing around with somebody and I wanted

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to really disappear, I could really
make you feel like you're crazy, and

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I could blend in with my surroundings
fairly easily. And I'm a bumbling human

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being and I don't live out there. I live in a house. So

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if these things are part of their
environment, they could do that easily without

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actually physically disappearing. So I used
to think that was more of an environmental

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thing. It was a light thing. Maybe their hair was the funny lighting,

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and it looked like they disappeared.
But the more you talk to people

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that say, no, this thing
disappeared, and then you get into the

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trackways. Right. I used to
think when people would talk about seeing this

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trackway that was in the middle of
a field and there's snow on the ground

405
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:36.680
and there's forty fifty sixty sets of
footprints and then they just disappear in the

406
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.759
middle of a field. How does
that happen? I have an explanation of

407
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.880
that? Please tell me. I
want to know they walk backwards in their

408
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.680
own tracks. See, that's where
my mind goes, right. I think

409
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.079
these things are intelligent. Maybe they're
aware of leaving their tracks like some other

410
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.640
animals that we know that are probably
far less intelligent than something like a relic,

411
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.319
tominoid or another hominan would be.
Other animals do that, and nature

412
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:06.839
we know that we've seen it has
been documented. But if that's not the

413
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:11.000
explanation, what about the single two
or three footprints? And then that's it?

414
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.279
Right? You have those two.
I used to joke, what would

415
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.039
fall out of the sky on a
pogo stick? And then it disappeared?

416
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.519
Like how does that happen? So
I said all that to say, there's

417
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.880
a possibility in my mind that there
is a lot more that are connected to

418
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.559
these and you talk to people again, like, I'll go back to Kaitlin.

419
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.559
I just talked to her last night
and she doesn't want to talk about

420
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:37.359
some of the things that happened to
her in her experience because she's afraid that

421
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.359
people think she's a nut job because
she felt or had this connection mentally with

422
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:44.960
this creature. And I told her, I was like, look, don't

423
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:51.039
ever be afraid to tell your full
story because it's dat no matter what people

424
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.680
think, no matter what people's opinion
is, no matter what caused that.

425
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.039
We don't know. She doesn't know. I don't know, maybe the Bigfoot

426
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.000
that you had the connection with nose, but we can't have that conversation.

427
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.839
But it's still data. We have
to take that data and be serious about

428
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.720
taking the data and saying, Okay, I'm going to add this to the

429
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:15.039
pile and maybe after so many times
we have these conversations with people, we

430
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.880
can put enough of that data together
to maybe get to an answer. But

431
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.279
as it stands now, I think
it's connected. I don't know what those

432
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.839
orbs mean. I don't know what
the lights mean, and I certainly don't

433
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:33.720
know what the UFOs and the alien
connection seems to mean to these things,

434
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.839
because there may be more than we
know is going on. Yeah, I

435
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.359
agree with you there, and collaborate
a little bit more on that with the

436
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.279
mind speak and the esp and stuff
like that. And for anybody out there

437
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.480
listening, the cooperation with Todd and
I'm sure with a few other groups out

438
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.920
there that are also starting to phase
into the spiritual side of sasquad researcher,

439
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.839
there's a lot more people out there
that have had experiences that there are and

440
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.599
aren't willing to come out and talk
about them because of that very reason.

441
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.279
But don't want to look crazy.
I'm gonna understand we're on the sasquash subject.

442
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.559
There's already a little bit of craziness
in the world about that. But

443
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:14.759
you're right, it is data.
And for anyone listening, if you do

444
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:20.079
have that crazy story out there,
you might have the Rosetta stone that's gonna

445
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:25.039
put the lid on all this because
there could be that little bit of information

446
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.079
that you just don't want to say
that maybe two or three other people had

447
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.680
that don't want to say. Also, that could be that could be the

448
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.799
answer to all of this. We
don't know. We already don't know enough.

449
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.119
So the more data we have the
better. And even if it is

450
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.319
crazy and it is a one off
thing, it's still out there. And

451
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.200
if it happens against it, yeah, we know that's unknown. We know

452
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.000
that they do that. We know
that they they've known to be in the

453
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.960
area of that spot or I can't
even say what it could be, what

454
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.039
it couldn't be, but that data
is this is important as you describing what

455
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.079
it's looking like when it runs across
the road in front of your cart night.

456
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.519
Every little detail matter. So please
anybody out there listening or watching that

457
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.880
little detail, please come forward and
share that. We have to put it

458
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:20.599
somewhere. It has to be involved
somehow, and if we don't share that,

459
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.640
we're just putting ourselves further behind in
the research and that doesn't do good

460
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:28.480
for anybody. Yeah, I definitely
agree. I've had people on the show

461
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.400
that we're afraid to share parts of
their encounter. Again, I'll go back

462
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.519
to the I keep going back to
Ron moorehere, but it's all fresh on

463
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:37.799
my brain because I just did that
show today. I told Ron about a

464
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:42.559
story that happened early on in the
show. This man and this woman went

465
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.200
out to enjoy a nice evening out
at this local park where they were at

466
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:49.160
and they were like eating some cheese
and crackers and sitting there and then they

467
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:53.000
hear this crashing through the woods and
here comes this amazing sasquatch encounter that they

468
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.799
had. This thing was huge,
it was running across this field and during

469
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.880
the interview, the guy was telling
me that it was being chased by a

470
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.720
mountain lion. And I remember when
he told me that I make notes when

471
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.400
I'm talking to people all the time, and I made this note, Okay,

472
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:13.199
the sasquatch was being chased by something, and then he said it was

473
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.760
a mountain lion and he just grazed
over and he went on and he went

474
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.519
into a very detailed description because it
were fairly close to the sasquatch that they

475
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.679
saw. So I went back to
it and I said, man, I'm

476
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.079
just amazed that I've never heard anybody
tell me a story about a big foot

477
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.920
that was a afraid of anything and
being actually chased by something. This thing

478
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:37.599
was running away from another creature,
and I just thought that was really wild.

479
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.400
And he said, yeah, it
was this mountain lion. And his

480
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.800
whole encounter took fourteen minutes. It
was one of those really quick encounters,

481
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.679
and he was very succinct. And
we ended the interview, and at the

482
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.480
end of the interview, I said, we talked like we always do when

483
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.519
I close out a show, I
spend extra time with the guests and talking.

484
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:58.840
I said, man, I just
can't believe that this big foot was

485
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.960
running from a mountain lie and he
was like, yeah, I didn't want

486
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.679
to say it on the air,
but this mountain line that was chasing this

487
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:12.760
big foot was about six times the
size of a normal mountain line, and

488
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.199
I just said, what, it
was huge, And he did not want

489
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.400
to tell me that on the air, and I actually ended up reaching out

490
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.760
to him later on, and I
did a follow up interview I think,

491
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.719
or a follow up show, like
two or three shows later. I think

492
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.800
with the rest of the story that
I just shared with the audience because with

493
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.039
his permission, because I thought it
needed to be told, because he was

494
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.159
so afraid that people would think he
was crazy if he said that on the

495
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:44.039
air. Now he's talking about seeing
a big foot run across a field,

496
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.079
but he didn't want to tell me
that it was being chased by this mountain

497
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.800
line that was six times bigger than
a regular mountain line, because he thought

498
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.480
people would think he's crazy and wouldn't
believe the story. So just things like

499
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.320
that, how do you reconcile that. I don't know how that happens.

500
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.639
I don't know how you have a
mountain line that big. Where did it

501
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.159
come from? So? Where did
it go? How does it exist?

502
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.719
How does the Sasquatch exist? I
don't know. But it's again, it's

503
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.679
data right because that story in and
of itself has had to take a step

504
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.360
back and say, does that mean
that these things maybe interdimensional? Maybe they're

505
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.199
coming in and out of this realm
somehow? Because I don't know how other

506
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:30.639
people wouldn't see a mountain line gets
pretty big. But you're talking four to

507
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.000
six times. I mean we were
talking about it maybe a five to six

508
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.719
hundred pounds give or take mountain line. Now think about that for a second.

509
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.119
Think about a five or six hundred
pound beer that's a huge bear.

510
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.719
Right, So we're talking about a
mountain line the size of a five or

511
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.000
six hundred pound bear chasing a big
foot across a field. I don't know

512
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.400
how that happens. But that's just
one of those little examples of people not

513
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:59.719
sharing information because they think people are
gonna think they're crazy. But again,

514
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.400
it's just another bit of data to
add to the hopper. That usually leaves

515
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.280
me with more questions than answers,
But again, it's still important and I

516
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:13.960
think it needs to be told.
Now we presumably know what sasquatch are frado,

517
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.719
which is a first on the list, A six hundred pound mountain lion.

518
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.199
I think I would probably be running
from a six hundred pound mountain lion.

519
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.920
Yeah, oh yeah, definitely.
That's crazy. That's definitely bizarre.

520
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.119
But that's what I meant stuff like
that. Man, I wish I was

521
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.840
there because I would went over and
looked at those footprints. Could you imagine

522
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:40.480
having a picture of perfect sasquatch trail
running and then these huge mountain lion tracks

523
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.360
running behind it. Oh my god, Yeah, it would be great.

524
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.960
And I don't remember. I'm horrible
with that. I don't remember exactly it

525
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.960
was out west. I think it
was in California or somewhere in that area.

526
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.360
I don't remember the circumstances or if
it would even been possible for them

527
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.119
to go and take a look at
tracks, because that's usually a question that

528
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.199
I ask. But he's on this
date with this girl, it's like their

529
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:06.000
first date, and he was more
concerned about her not thinking he was crazy

530
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.119
and him not thinking she was crazy. So they saw the same thing kind

531
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.280
of thing. But yeah, I
mean, if you're able to go and

532
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.599
take a look at that, I
would imagine that would have been something else

533
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.719
to definitely something else to see.
Now that we're on the topic of crazy

534
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.920
things to seat, let's talk about
Todd Stanning's documentary and his footage because it's

535
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:30.360
my job. So being that you
see his footage, and obviously I'm an

536
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.920
advocate for him and his footage,
what are your impressions of it? What

537
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.599
was your first thought's watching it?
My first real exposure to his footage was

538
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.760
in the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, and
I've since gone back and tried to look

539
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:46.719
at some of the other footage on
I think it's some of it's on Lessa's

540
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.000
YouTube channel. In other places,
but the majority of what I saw,

541
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.760
and the first exposure I had to
it was on the Discovering Bigfoot documentary.

542
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:00.840
So the first time I watched it, I walked away and thought I was

543
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.800
blown away by the fact that this
guy has caught possibly the best images that

544
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.519
we will ever see of a big
foot. That was my first impression.

545
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:14.519
I thought, either he is one
hundred percent caught the best images will ever

546
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.880
see outside of the Patterson Gimbling film, or he's one hundred percent full of

547
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.480
shit and this is all faked.
That was the only two places I could

548
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:28.159
come down at that point. I've
since watched the documentary, I have to

549
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.880
admit, probably ten times since then, just as recently as maybe a week

550
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.679
ago. I was scrolling through and
I saw it and I was like,

551
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:40.039
oh, okay, I'm gonna watch
it again. Every time I watched it,

552
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:45.639
it pushed me further and further from
believing that it was real. I

553
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.719
have to be honest, and I
tell you why. I've said this plenty

554
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.960
of times on the show. I
operate by the Doug high Check three second

555
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.000
rule, and I think you and
I have talked about this before. When

556
00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.480
I see footage, usually within the
first three seconds, I get that spidy

557
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.519
sense of whoa that looks real or
whoa that looks one hundred percent fake?

558
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:12.519
To me? And the more I've
watched the footage outside of the one video

559
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.639
where there was a Sasquatch figure,
I mean, I don't know what the

560
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.440
video numbers are or what footage it
is, but there's that one where this

561
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.440
thing is it stands up on the
side of this heill and then it runs

562
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:29.360
up this very vertical side of the
bridge or this mountain. So that to

563
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:35.480
me seems to be the most credible
if that's the word video that I've seen

564
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.119
that he's put out. The rest
of them just do not stand up to

565
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:44.639
the three second rule for me,
because three seconds and I'm like, yeah,

566
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.000
that doesn't look right now. I
will say this before you even get

567
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:52.559
into it. I will be the
first to admit I think part of that

568
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:54.480
problem is, and I've talked about
these kind of people on my show before,

569
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.360
if it looks too good to be
true, we all think that it

570
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:04.920
is because we're used to bly squatches
and these really grainy, blurry, way

571
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:12.000
off low quality images, whether it
be video or just photographs of purported Sasquatch.

572
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:17.639
So when you see something that's very
close up, zoomed in HD quality,

573
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:23.280
nobody's really ever seen that. So
it's one of those things where I

574
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:30.159
find myself in this sort of moment
where it's either really good footage or it's

575
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.880
fake. There's really no in between
for me. That's where I am,

576
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.960
and I still go back and forth, but I have to be honest,

577
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.400
and I've been honest with you and
Todd about this before. I'm just not

578
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.559
there that all of those images that
we see that are purported to be videos

579
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:52.519
of sasquatch are in fact legitimate.
We'll go back to the one that you

580
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:57.480
first talked about. That's video three
where it runs up the hill and runs

581
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:02.320
across that sack Corge. So Todd
went back later on, i think the

582
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:07.119
year after that happened, and did
a breakdown analysis of it, and I

583
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.360
was that in his I'm pretty sure
it was in this documentary, but I'm

584
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.360
not sure if it's in a separate
video, but I know I remember he

585
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.360
did the breakdown. So he went
back to that place right where that hill

586
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:23.079
was, and it's like a seventy
degree in client. He struggled to get

587
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:29.480
up that spot, which he looked
kindy compared to that thing. When he

588
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.159
did the side by side, you
could tell he was just nowhere near this

589
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:36.920
thing size. So he struggled the
climate. It took three or four seconds

590
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.480
to get up there, maybe even
longer, and that probably longer three or

591
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.000
four doesn't hid right. It took
him like fifteen seconds to get up this

592
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.119
hill, right, It was like
a twenty foot distance travel to get up

593
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.519
to that spot. So he got
up there, grabbed the stick, and

594
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.239
he tossed the stick down, and
we all know gravity's nine pointy meters stress

595
00:42:53.239 --> 00:43:00.960
second squared. So he did the
reversal of the footage in how long it

596
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.320
took the stick I think it was
two seconds or three seconds, and calculated

597
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:09.519
out that sasquatch ran up that hill, accelerated up that hill from dead stop

598
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:15.039
faster than gravity pulled that stick down. Just in human you can't do that

599
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:22.199
right there off the get go.
That hash shot is enough. So now

600
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.880
let's take the proportion of Todd and
him put him in that area, which

601
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:30.199
is like way the hell out,
like Radium and the research areas out there,

602
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.760
that's even way further out. So
let's put him in a suit and

603
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.599
put him on stilts and make him
about three hundred pounds heavier in this crazy

604
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:44.519
suit per se and have him try
to do that. That's not gonna happen.

605
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:51.079
And then it ran alongside that gully
faster than any human can run on

606
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.119
a track, and it actually did
fall. You can see, Amanda,

607
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:59.960
one of the people in the cooperation
went through and stabilized it all and clear

608
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.440
it all up, and it actually
tripped and fell and got back up and

609
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:06.960
took off again. And it still
did that faster than any human can do

610
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.400
running, which in that twenty seconds
of video, it surpassed anything a human

611
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:19.400
can do. Three poll So for
me, that's definitive enough. And if

612
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.960
that's not for you, then I
get it. You're gonna just have to

613
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:27.440
come out with me. I'm formally
inviting you out to go on an expedition

614
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:31.239
with me, and I will have
you either live interact with or I witnessed

615
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.800
the sasquatch. Todd has done the
same thing, and I've definitely wanted to

616
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:37.880
take him up on that. So, yeah, it goes back to what

617
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.800
you said was video three. So
that's the one that I picked out that

618
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:45.599
looked the most legitimate to me,
and it could be not. I don't

619
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:51.159
know. I wasn't there. I
can look at the breakdown and the analysis

620
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.239
and say, yeah, I agree
with you that this thing moved faster than

621
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.079
any human, it was bigger than
any human, that kind of thing.

622
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.000
The issue with the other videos that
I have is that you don't have that.

623
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.440
And one of the things that I
pointed out I think I talked to

624
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.159
you about it on my show was
there's really nothing leading up to it.

625
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.559
It's just you just see this these
videos and they look very different. I

626
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.320
can think of I don't know how
many videos there are, but I can

627
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.199
think of at least three right off
the top of my head, and they

628
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:24.039
all look like entirely different things.
It was like going to India and filming

629
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:29.599
people, and coming to America and
filming people, and then going to Southeast

630
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.960
Asia and filming people. I guess
India is Southeast Asia. But can you

631
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.280
get my point right? To stop
you there, stay tuned for more sasquatch

632
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:45.159
out to see will be right back
after these messages. They are still all

633
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:51.480
people, exactly, good point touche
all. They're all people. However,

634
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:57.920
there is a distinct difference in the
look right There's the one video that I

635
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.599
think is towards the end of the
Discovering Bigfoot documentary, is this weird thing

636
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.800
where he's coming out and this thing's
like pacing him out of the woods and

637
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.800
he gets gets under this log and
it's this black face. It looks painted

638
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.800
to me, some sort of man
painted with this face, and this really

639
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:22.000
broad nose that kind of stuck out
to me. It just looks fake to

640
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.719
me. It just doesn't look like
any animal or anything that even the other

641
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:31.559
videos that are purported to be sasquatch
even remotely resembled. And I thought to

642
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:37.920
myself, Okay, there's the skunk
akee. Right. I think regionally around

643
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.280
here there seems to be just a
general consensus amongst most people in the Bigfoot

644
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.679
community that there are possibly different subspecies
or different types of sasquatch. Farther north

645
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.039
you go, the bigger things are
kind of thing so Pacific Northwest. They're

646
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:57.639
eight nine ten feet tall, and
they're these big, patty like creatures.

647
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.639
And then you've got the wiry,
sort of looking almost orangutan sasquatch down in

648
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:08.039
Florida that people call the skunk cake. So regionally, these things are different

649
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:14.880
sometimes drastically, but we're talking within
I don't know how any square miles we're

650
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:20.840
talking up in that research area that
he's captured these videos. Would there be

651
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.800
three to four different types of sasquatch
in that area to be filmed? That

652
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.800
look that different? Is one of
the questions that popped into my mind the

653
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.159
more that I looked at the footage. So I guess I'll pose that question

654
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:39.920
to you. It's basically as simple
as I can understand it. I think

655
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:45.679
it's just a basic differentiation between you
and I. I look different from you,

656
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:50.039
I look different from my neighbor,
you look different from whoever walking down

657
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.840
the street. And also we have
to think about this and more of a

658
00:47:52.880 --> 00:48:00.239
biological standpoint, where let's say you
have a very remote troop of sasquatch right

659
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.199
let's just say they're real. Right
now, there's twelve of them one area.

660
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.119
It's segregated from a few other troops
that are maybe one hundred miles away.

661
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:14.280
Right after a few generations, they're
going to start running into problems such

662
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:20.239
as in breeding and possibly dwending willing
numbers, or maybe too many numbers to

663
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:25.480
where the food source can't support their
family. So now you have to consider

664
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.719
that either they're gonna have to start
killing some wall or they're gonna have to

665
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:37.320
start being nomadic, and maybe the
whole troop moves, maybe one or two

666
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:42.159
move maybe what or to die over
the time. We don't know their lifespan.

667
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.920
Let's say that out of the twelve
three leaves, right, So now

668
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.840
you're down to nine, and let's
say from the other troop from two hundred

669
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:57.280
miles away, one wanders in or
comes to that territory, right, And

670
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.400
that needs to happen because otherwise there
will be inbreeding. So I do think

671
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:06.559
that they do move around, but
you're going to have that differentiation between what

672
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:12.119
they look like because you're going to
have either possibly some inbreeding which causes them

673
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.639
to look drastically different from one than
the other, and the same troop that

674
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:22.119
could be family or it's just different
genes from a troop that's been segregated for

675
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.400
so long, and maybe an area
open up to allow them passage, or

676
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:30.119
maybe even the opposite, where a
whole troop moves to a different area.

677
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.320
They're all going to have different facial
features, they're all going to have different

678
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.079
body structure, they're going to have
different ways to hunt. There's gonna be

679
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.719
a whole different but it's gonna be
like Mexican tribes meeting up with maybe Eskimos

680
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.000
up in Alaska. It's going to
be this crazy, weird clash of Okay,

681
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.440
I can learn something from you,
they can learn something from me.

682
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:58.239
And they look different. So if
you have that weird overlap of genes,

683
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.760
you're gonna have that. Okay,
Like Caboda the video you're talking about underneath

684
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.199
the log, he's a weird looking, creepy Sasquatch. It's just between whoever

685
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:12.519
his mom and dad was. Look
at dogs. This is the easiest example

686
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:16.000
I can give. We mix the
craziest dog species and they look crazy.

687
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:21.639
You know the dog from Target,
I don't know the species name or anything

688
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.079
like that. I love old dogs. That's a weird looking dog. It's

689
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.960
got a weird face, but it's
gonna look completely different from a pug.

690
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.199
And yes, they are different species, but they're still a dog. So

691
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:36.039
to me, it's just whatever they
mixed with. It is just what they're

692
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.800
at and where they're at and why
they look different. And if Jane looks

693
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.239
different from Jake, it's probably because
they either have different fathers or different mothers.

694
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:50.239
It's just as simple as that.
And I certainly get what you're saying.

695
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.280
And I think the problem that happens
a lot of times in the community,

696
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:58.239
and I know I'm certainly guilty of
it as well. It's over my

697
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.119
shoulder, it's literally over my head. Now there's a picture of Patty behind

698
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:07.440
me. Right, So everybody has
this preconceived notion of what a sasquatch looks

699
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.719
like, should they be real?
And I guess for me, Patty is

700
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:20.840
probably that quintessential picturesque sasquatch exactly right. It's like the if you picture the

701
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.519
perfect human specimen, and that may
be different for different people. You pick

702
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:30.079
a male and female specimen that you
consider to be like the quintessential good looking

703
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.320
man or woman, whatever the case
may be. It's like that for me

704
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.280
with sasquatch, just Patty. And
who knows. I've done entire shows about

705
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.760
the validity of the Patterson Giblin film
and whether it was a hoax or not,

706
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:45.039
or if that's Bob Hoeronymous in a
suit, it could very well be

707
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.360
Bob Hoeronymous in a suit. I
don't think that's the case. I could

708
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:55.119
be wrong, right, so there's
always that little bit of room for error

709
00:51:55.280 --> 00:52:00.239
there. But for me, when
I watched the Anderson Giblin film, from

710
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:05.000
the very first time that I saw
it until the last time that I saw

711
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.840
it, which was probably two or
three days ago, I've had the same

712
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.360
feeling throughout. I've had doubts and
I continue to have doubts about the validity

713
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.440
of this film to this very moment. But the majority of the time,

714
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.480
six days out of seven, ninety
nine times out of a one hundred,

715
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.960
when I see it, I get
the same feeling that I fall down on

716
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.519
the side of I think that is
actually a Sasquatch, and I think that

717
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:36.480
film is what it appears to be. I'm just not there with Todd's stuff.

718
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:37.960
That's just the end of the day. For me. That's where it

719
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.840
comes down, and I don't want
to be there. I honestly don't want

720
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.599
to be there. I want it
to be real, because the first time

721
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.880
I saw it, the feeling that
I had was why is everybody not up

722
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.360
in arms about this? Why is
this not ending the conversation about this?

723
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:58.079
And then I figured it out because
I watched it over and the more that

724
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.679
I looked at it, like I
said, I just don't have that same

725
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.960
feeling I want to be there,
I'm just not there. Yep. And

726
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:10.079
I get that, and I think
that I can pretty much answer everyone's reasoning

727
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.519
behind that. If we, let's
say, compare Patterson g and Went footage

728
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:20.119
to Video three where that Sasquash runs
up the hill, I think they're comparable.

729
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.239
I think they're very much comparable because
we can look at the muscle definition,

730
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:27.880
we can look at the body structure, we can look at all those

731
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:32.079
details and those fine movements that it
uses to move. Patterson Gimlet's footage incredible

732
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.840
footage. I think it's one hundred
percent right. We didn't have the technology

733
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.320
for suits then, we don't have
it now. There's no way that that's

734
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.840
baked. And even if they did
take it, they wouldn't have put breasts

735
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:47.400
on it, and they wouldn't have
put the quad muscle blown out in that

736
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:52.440
much detail from that far away with
an old camera, it just doesn't it

737
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.800
doesn't light out. And also they
tried to superimbose people into it. It

738
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.000
didn't work out. Todd. You
can do the same thing with Todd's footage.

739
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:04.440
And because there's all that movement and
that whole body and it's moving around,

740
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.519
and you see the whole thing moving
at the same time and in conjuncture

741
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:14.159
with itself. That's what you need
to get that, okay, And that's

742
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:19.960
why you think that video three is
probably real. But let's go to Jig

743
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.599
where it's just the HD video of
just his face and his eye. There's

744
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:28.599
not much movement there. It's just
his face. He's pretty much just hiding.

745
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.239
He blinks and that's about the only
movement we get. He moves a

746
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:36.440
little bit side to side. And
there are other pictures that Todd has where

747
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:37.960
you can see your shoulders and you
can see his beard and everything like that.

748
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:44.519
But I understand because there's just not
that movement. There's not that quality

749
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.679
behind the footage where you say,
okay, I'm seeing this thing walk off.

750
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:52.880
Who's seeing it's muscles flexing like all
this. People who've seen that there,

751
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:55.639
Yeah, that's real. That can't
be faked. That can't be a

752
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.599
man in a suit. Once we
get that on footage, I think it'll

753
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:01.920
be the same thing. But as
far as the Jake footage and the Jane

754
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.480
footage, there's just not enough there, which is crazy for me to think

755
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.519
about because it's there, that's them, but it for everybody out there who

756
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.000
doesn't believe in it and thinks it's
a mask it because they don't and there's

757
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.400
nothing else there. So I understand. So let me ask you this thinker

758
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.440
Thunker. Right, let's talk about
him for a second. He's done this

759
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.119
breakdown of let's stick with the Jake
video for example. I've watched that,

760
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:36.559
right, and he's dissected some of
my videos and that are on Todge channel,

761
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.440
so I've watched a little bit of
his stuff, the breakdown that he's

762
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:43.280
done, and Todd talked about that
on my show, So it's a fair

763
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.920
game to talk about, right.
He compared what thinker Thunker came up with

764
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:54.000
his breakdown of the Jake video that
he claimed as Todd himself in makeup and

765
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.880
if you watch the thinker Thunker video, At least for me, it made

766
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.280
sense to me because when he does
these side by side comparisons of the two

767
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.400
videos and the facial where the nose
and the eyes and everything lines up to

768
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:15.119
Todd's point on my show when he
referenced that in particular, I didn't bring

769
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.639
it up. He did. He
said, thinker Thunker is talking about this

770
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.079
thing. Jake's head's like three times
the size of he is, and there's

771
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:25.119
no way it was him. And
to me, that's not entirely accurate because

772
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:30.360
if you look at Thinker Thunker's video
and his breakdown, he does the numbers

773
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.679
on this right. He didn't just
throw that out there haphazardly. It looked

774
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.960
like it made sense to me.
What do you think to somebody like think

775
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:40.760
with Thunker, who breaks this down
almost for a living, I guess we

776
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.920
could it be fair to say,
and he's come to this conclusion that it

777
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:50.960
is either Todd or somebody else and
makeup what do you think of? What's

778
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:53.440
your answer to that? What do
you think about that? Computers can do

779
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:58.360
amazing things. You can take and
Todd as septence, You can take Andre

780
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:00.480
the Giant and paste it over a
five year old's face, and you can

781
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:07.239
make small fractual adjustments and make it
look like Andre the Giant's a six year

782
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:13.320
old. And I also think it
is because they're so close to us that

783
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:19.159
they do in some aspects resemble us
a little bit. But to get down

784
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.639
to think her Thunker's analysis of it, Yeah, I see where everybody's coming

785
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:28.960
from with that but on the scale
of it all, it's hard to tell

786
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.880
from the video aspect of it because
there's no depth to it. You're not

787
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:37.280
looking, it's not right here,
so you can't tell the actual size until

788
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:43.280
Todd does his breakdown where he takes
the Douglas fur needles and he paced in

789
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:49.119
front of its face, finds out
it's almost fifteen inches wide. No amount

790
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.920
of makeup in the world is going
to take up that big And not to

791
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.480
mention the I spacing is different for
humans. It's one of our eyes will

792
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:59.840
fit perfectly on the bridge of her
nose, and we'll touch either of our

793
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.079
One eye fits perfectly, betweet.
If you look at the footage of Jeek,

794
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:08.159
there's two two of his eyes will
fit, betweet, So the dimensions

795
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:14.280
don't work out whatsoever. And if
it was him in a mask, and

796
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.119
I've talked about this before on my
show, and I think yours. I

797
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:23.679
don't know who did that makeup,
but if any makeup designer did do that,

798
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:28.440
I think they would have came out
by now or when he threw his

799
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.559
footage up on the news and said, hey, look what I found,

800
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.280
they would have been like, nah, here's a receipt. He paid me

801
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:37.960
this much of money. Here's the
suit right here, here's the face right

802
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:39.920
here. I did that work,
and they're going to claim it because they

803
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.239
want to make a movie on that. And he's the best artist in the

804
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:50.800
world now because he duped two PhDs
and Survivor Man on his footage. It

805
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.880
doesn't make any sense. You can't
spend that kind of money with that animatronics

806
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:59.039
and that much detail and at each
D video that you can't pick it apart

807
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:04.840
without pacing someone's human face on it. That makes any sense without anybody coming

808
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:07.000
out and saying, yeah, that
was me, I did that, or

809
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.880
no, I paid these bunch of
people, and there's ends and stuff like

810
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:13.440
it would have came out somebody.
It would have came out, and they're

811
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.960
probably going to be some crazy guy
out there, Oh yeah, I did

812
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:20.239
it just for clout. But it
doesn't work like that when you have legitimate

813
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.360
receipts and you can say, yeah, you know what, I'll do it

814
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:27.639
again. Someone passed up on this
obviously, but give me whatever. It's

815
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:30.320
going to be thirty forty thousand dollars
to fake this, I'll do it.

816
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.679
And when he does it and it's
perfect and identical or even it's the original

817
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:39.639
one, then we can disprove it. Until then you can take whatever photo

818
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:44.400
of you want of a human,
post it over Jake, and you can

819
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.480
make little movements and adjustments and you
can make it work. Sure, And

820
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:52.199
if that's what you want to go
with to ease your mind that Sasquatch is

821
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.880
real, and go for it.
But I think picking apart his videos like

822
00:59:54.920 --> 01:00:00.960
that, it don't look going backwards
now because at that point we're not fighting

823
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.519
for the discovery of Sasquatch. We're
fighting for whether Todd's a liar or not.

824
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.199
And we don't do that with Bob
Gimlin anymore. We don't do that

825
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:12.320
with Jeff knowledge From, we don't
do that with less Stroud. There are

826
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:17.599
people out there who question why they
get into it, but Todd's the small

827
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.360
fish on the scale, so everyone's
going to attack him because he doesn't have

828
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.159
the back at that everybody else stubs. Yeah, that's pretty much when I

829
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.920
have sip up that, and like
I get think you're thunker. I understand

830
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.519
why he would try to disprove it. That's what he does. Good for

831
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:38.039
him to try. I asked myself
this question over and over again because Like

832
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:42.280
I said, when I saw the
Discovering Bigfoot documentary, I wanted it to

833
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.239
be real more than anything in the
world. And think of Thunker, to

834
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:50.199
his credit, has done some breakdowns
that I've seen on the Patterson Dimlin film,

835
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.880
and he falls down on it's not
a human being. I guess it

836
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.440
just comes back to the question,
even for myself and other people that are

837
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:04.800
involved in the Bigfoot community, why
is it that Todd Standing has created or

838
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:13.800
captured these videos of purported Sasquatch and
there's very few people in the community that's

839
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.360
not saying much. There's very few
people in the community that fall on the

840
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:23.599
side of him being legitimate and thus
legitimizing his footage. Why do you think

841
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.480
that is? Do you think it's
a personality thing? Because I've had people

842
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.800
tell me that before, they think
it's more of a personality thing with Todd,

843
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:32.440
and I get that on some level. I've gotten to know Todd a

844
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.719
little bit outside of just doing interviews
with him, and we've worked together outside

845
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:43.239
of the show. I know what
kind of person he is away from the

846
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.199
camera, so to speak. A
lot of people don't get to see that

847
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:50.840
side of him. But do you
think it's a personality thing. Why do

848
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:55.480
you think there's this disconnect between Todd
and his footage and the validity of his

849
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:59.880
footage, say, versus the Patterson
Gimmlin film, Because there was a lot

850
01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:05.079
of problems, let's be honest with
Roger Patterson's character. There's a lot of

851
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:09.559
character assassinations out there that I've talked
about on the show before. Roger Patterson

852
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:14.960
maybe duped a lot of people in
a lot of aspects of his life.

853
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:22.039
And I've argued many times it's not
about his character what Roger Patterson did before

854
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:27.400
the film or even after the film. It's about what's on the film that

855
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.760
we have to talk about. That
sixty seconds of the Patterson Gimmon film is

856
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:35.000
really all it comes down to me. And people like Bill Mns and other

857
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:38.519
people have done those breakdowns Thinker Thunker, as I've already talked about, and

858
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:45.480
nobody has been able to disprove anything
about that film being a hoax outside of

859
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:49.639
Boparonymous saying yeah, that's me in
the suit and that's my glass eye or

860
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.880
whatever. Why do you think that
we have this issue with Todd and his

861
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:58.760
HD quality videos? Why do you
think we're still having this argument. Why

862
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.239
am I not convinced, I guess
is the question. Let's go back to

863
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:07.559
Bob Kimlyn and and his footage when
he first put that out, and when

864
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:12.280
it first came out, he had
just as much backlash, probably more than

865
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:16.079
Todd, because that footage that he
got spread a lot further than toddsed it.

866
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:21.719
Even with internet today, you saw
that footage movie theaters across the country

867
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:25.960
and across the world. Problem that
had way more just people who saw it,

868
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.960
way more viused, and there's so
much backage. Nobody really wanted to

869
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:34.840
believe that stuff. I think it's
more of I don't want to know and

870
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:40.119
I'm too afraid to find out the
truth than it is actual analysis and like

871
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:44.199
being open minded about it. And
I think it's We're in the same spot

872
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.639
with Todd right now. He is
the way he is, and I really

873
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:52.639
don't need to get into it with
his personality because sometimes he can be difficult

874
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.039
and he does speak his mind a
lot of the times, and I'll call

875
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.079
him out on it a future podcast, but he does get fired up about

876
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.639
some stuff and he gets a braids
of I like that about him because it

877
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:10.000
shows that he's determined in what he
believes in, and not a lot of

878
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.119
people will hold up to that,
and a lot of people will back down

879
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:16.119
if you say the right question or
say the right thing. I think that

880
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:21.159
speaks a lot, But it's more
the fact that Bob went through the ringer

881
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.800
with his footage. Todd's just going
through that ringer right now, and right

882
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.320
now. You can go to any
big Foot conference. Bob Gimmelin's there.

883
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.119
Everybody loves him, everybody wants to
meet him, everybody wants his signatures.

884
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:38.280
They all say your footage is real. Maybe they don't. There's always going

885
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.079
to be those couple of people out
there books. We're in that spot right

886
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:46.079
now, where Todd's at, where
Bob's at, where was Nobody knew him,

887
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.800
everybody saw his stuff. There was
no way it could possibly be big

888
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:56.920
Foot because big Foot's not real.
And your generation, i'm going to admit,

889
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:00.360
was a little bit more hard headed
than mine is, so when you

890
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.679
grew up not around Bigfoot. Bigfoot
wasn't real. That's just how they are.

891
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:10.440
And especially in that time when that
came out in sixty seven, that

892
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:15.119
was a lot of heat for that
video that he got. It's just older

893
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.719
quality footage, so obviously we can
break that down better. And it's a

894
01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:23.760
blob squatch like all the other stuff
we have. It's just people in suits

895
01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.360
and they zoom out on purpose.
I think it's just more that Todd wasn't

896
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.719
very well known. It wasn't so
much as character. It was just this

897
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:33.880
new guy that came up with this
incredible, amazing footage that nobody else can

898
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:39.480
seem to get. I think it
was more jealousy than it was, much

899
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:44.519
more than that. But it's it's
the fact that he just isn't connected and

900
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.840
now he is, but before he
wasn't, and people took that to harp

901
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:53.199
And why is this guy who nobody's
heard of, has all this amazing,

902
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:55.960
great evidence. It's got to be
fake. He has to baked it.

903
01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:00.880
He doesn't have a backing like I
do, or one of the big name

904
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.480
guys out there, who if they
came out with footage, everybody'd be like,

905
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.599
yeah, you've been researching it,
like so Jeff and mil Jog.

906
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:09.639
If he came out with footage,
indisputable, done, close the book,

907
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:12.880
put the cap on it. It's
done. Because it's Jeff Meldrum. If

908
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:16.079
I come out with footage, everyone's
gonna think it's fake. That's just where

909
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:20.239
I'm at. It's not a character
thing. It's just where we're at with

910
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.239
people who are famous and people who
aren't. If you've talked to Dwagh,

911
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:28.519
the Rock Johnson, his opinion is
gonna matter more to you than mine.

912
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:33.119
Why is that? Yeah, Like
I said, I want to believe you,

913
01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:38.280
man, I want to get on
the train. Come on, I'm

914
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.719
going up to the radium next month. So if you want, let me

915
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.079
know message Todd, I'll get you
up there. I'm gonna take you up

916
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:47.719
on that, man, Please do
I honestly, I would love to have

917
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.119
you come up. I think we
had the best time. We got electric

918
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:54.679
bikes out there and stuff. You
don't have to walk around. You don't

919
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.119
have to hike six miles up on
an electric bike and twist the throntal.

920
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.079
Hey I'm in pretty chape I can
hide it. Just say it's it's a

921
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.119
really incredible experience. I really suggest
to you. And even if you only

922
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:09.280
come out once and you just get
to see the sights, you're never gonna

923
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.800
forget. And like I send you
the pictures, but when you post it

924
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.840
up the pictures of my podcast with
you or your podcast with me. Rather,

925
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:21.800
that's all right in his research area. And you go down the trail

926
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:25.480
a little bit, you come out
to the Koutney River. That's a picture.

927
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:27.519
It's right there. I can take
you back to all those spots.

928
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:30.920
Yeah, it's gorgeous. Man.
If nothing else, just to recharge the

929
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.960
batteries, I might have to take
you up on that for sure. Yeah,

930
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:35.400
yep, absolutely. We don't even
have to talk about big if you

931
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:38.440
dont want to talk about big Foot, we don't have to just come out

932
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:43.400
there and experience that, and it'll
really put you back on the reset road

933
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:46.440
and do some iceman training with you. I challenge you that. I'll challenge

934
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:48.960
you to that. You do some
iceman training with me, you will feel

935
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:51.960
like a new person. Yeah.
I might have to try that too.

936
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.679
After you described it, I was
like, man, that sounds like something

937
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.000
I might get into it. Yeah, I'm gonna get you out there.

938
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.519
I'm gonna get you out there,
don't you worry. Yeah. I think

939
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:03.360
that's gonna be it for tonight.
Guys. I've pretty much exhausted you,

940
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:06.960
I'm sure, after doing podcasts all
day. Yeah, it's been a long

941
01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.440
day man. All right, thanks
again for having me on your show,

942
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.199
and thanks for coming on my show. Absolutely, it was my pleasure.

943
01:08:15.199 --> 01:10:39.279
Man. I always have a good
time talking to you