Hey, everybody, this is Less Striding. Yes, yes, I know
aka Surviving Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Oddis. Hey guys,
welcome back to Sasquatch Odds. Thank you so much for clicking play.
It is Sunday. I hope you guys have had a great weekend. You
have an amazing show line Deft for you. But as always, I want
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holding on to this audio from an interview that I did over on the Discovering
Bigfoot podcast with Kyle fur. I think this was done like last August,
so it's over a year old, but I thought it was very fitting because
as you listen to this right now, I am literally in Canada with Kyle
and Tide standing up in the Radium, BC area starting our expedition. This
was a really cool conversation. We talk about plenty of things other than Tide
standing, but we certainly get into the tide standing conversation about some of the
videos, but we talk about all kinds of things with Bigfoot. Kyle was
a really good host of this show. He's very into it if he's very
intelligent when it comes to big Foot stuff, and I really enjoyed this conversation
and I think you guys will as well. That said, I'm going to
remind you once again, if you haven't already, please find that Bigfoot Podcast
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first five episodes on Friday, October thirteenth, so you definitely don't want to
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different than anything you've heard on Sasquatch Odyssey, So make sure you go follow
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You can also follow that show on Instagram at that Bigfoot Podcast. But for
now, I'm gonna let the music play and we're gonna get into this Discovering
Bigfoot interview with Kyle. I hope you guys enjoy it, So sit back,
relax and enjoy the show. How's it going, everybody? Welcome to
the Discovering Bigfoot Podcast. I'm your host, Kyle, and today we have
another awesome, amazing special guest. We have Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey podcast and
today we're just gonna hit some basics and see what he thinks about Todd and
his videos. Thanks for coming on the show. Absolutely, man, I'm
glad to be here. I appreciate it all help you've given me with my
podcasts and all that other stuff. Yeah, so what made you want to
do podcasts? Where did that come from? I've always done some kind of
entertainment. I sing in bands when I was a kid, and I turned
down a record deal when I was like sixteen, so I was used to
doing some kind of entertainment. It was typically in front of a crowd,
so I guess it made some kind of sense for me to do something along
these lines eventually. But I started listening to podcasts just a couple of years
ago. I'd never listened to podcast in the Past, and somebody turned me
on to Sasquatch Chronicles, So I started listening to Wes and his show,
and I liked what he was doing, and I was always interested because I
had experiences in the past that I couldn't explain, so I was trying to
find information and knowledge as much as I possibly could about bigfoot sasquatch. So
I thought, why don't I just start looking for people in the area that
I grew up in in the southeast Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South
Carolina, those areas and see who's had encounters and maybe try to document some
of those. So that's what I did. The first couple of shows that
I ended up doing were local shows to me here in North Carolina. I
was born and raised in Georgia and I've been in North Carolina for about four
years now, and the very first show that I ever did was a roadside
crossing story that this guy had an encounter in North Carolina, and it just
grew from there. So I guess the short answer to the question would be
I just started listening to podcasts and I thought that's something I should probably try
to do, and the rest is history. Here I am, so we'll
cut you onto like just Bigfoot, how come you didn't go into aliens or
doing strictly alien stuff for anything like that, because there's a thousand different topics
out there, like why big Foot? Did you have an encounter of that
that's worked that off for Yeah, when I was about twelve years old.
I've told this story on my show a couple of times another podcast as a
guest. It's a really boring story. Really. I'm twelve years old,
I'm out squirrel hunting and the foothills in North Georgia and I get paced out
of the woods by something. I don't know what it was. I could
here this huffing, this growling, this bluff charging kind of stuff that was
going on. I never saw anything, but it started with that feeling of
the hair standing up on the back of your neck and you just know,
and I'm not supposed to be here. It's time for me to go.
And at twelve years old, you get spooked in the woods, but it's
in the middle of the day, right, there's nothing to be spooked about.
Well, when I got that feeling, I knew something wasn't right.
And then it started escalating with the huffing and the growling, and it didn't
sound like anything that I had ever heard before. It heard just about everything
there was to hear in the woods. At that point, I'd heard her
deer. I'd heard just about everything there was and it didn't sound like anything
I'd ever heard before. And then the bluff charging started and I thought,
yeah, it's time to go, So I hauled asked back to the house
and then jumping over the barbed wire fence. I didn't tell anybody about it.
I didn't tell my mom about it, and we lived in a haunted
house at the time, So I had all kinds of like paranormal experiences going
on. And fast forward to sixteen, I saw UFO. So I had
these experiences, but the one thing that really stuck out to me was that
experience when I was twelve and the possibility that there was something out there that
was undiscovered in the woods. Because I grew up in North Georgia and I
heard so many stories growing up about people who had experiences with the big Foot
in Sasquatch. Unlike UFOs, people didn't talk about living in haunted houses.
People didn't talk about living in places where they saw UFOs or had alien abduction
experiences, but jensing hunters would come down off the mountains and talk about the
boogers and the big Foot and the Sasquatch and things that they were seeing.
So I grew up with that being then accepted thing in the area. So
I guess that's what really sparked my interest in that. And of course I've
since started a paranormal podcast, and I do a paranormal podcast in addition to
the Sasquatch stuff, but that has always been and will probably be my main
focus when it comes to cryptids and the weird stuff. Now do you think
it is that because it's more tangible and maybe because it's more physical than the
paranormal and the UFO stuff. I think it is because it's something that could
possibly be there, Right, I've seen a UFO. I don't know if
there was a little green man or a little gray man flying this ship that
I saw. Pretty sure it wasn't one of ours. Pretty sure it was
from somewhere other than here, but I can't prove that, right. I
was just watching a documentary before we hopped on here for some research I'm doing
for another show, and they're talking about all of the discovery that's going on,
and I've learned things just watching this documentary that I didn't know I had
went on with the government disclosure and how deep it's really gone with them admitting
that we may be visited by creatures from another world. But even at that,
it's very difficult to prove that until they land on the White House lawn
and say hey, here we are. It's going to be difficult to prove
that. But the possibility that there's some sort of upright relic hominoid maybe roaming
the woods in North America, seems a little more plausible to me. I
know people probably think that's crazy, but it seems a lot more plausible to
me. And I think it's something that can be proven with science, and
that's why I try to have a scientific approach when I researched the subject and
when I have conversations with people about it. So do you think it's going
to be when it comes down to actually proving the species? Do you think
it's going to have to come down to a body beat out or taken?
I do, I definitely do. I've said that plenty of times on the
show. I don't want to be the guy who goes out and pulls the
trigger. But it's going to take that. Because I just remastered one of
my shows. You and I were talking about that before we came on the
air. I'm going back and doing some of the remastering of some of my
early shows that really sucked when I didn't know how to podcast, and I'm
predoing the interviews where it's actually listenable, so the audio is much better than
what it was initially. And today I did the Ron moorehead episode. It
was like episode seven of my show. It's one of the things that Ron
and I talked about was what's it going to take to prove that these things
are real and that they exist? And we talked about DNA evidence. He's
a big proponent of some of the DNA evidence that Melba Ketcham did quite a
while back. That's a pretty controversial thing in the bigfoot community. I'm not
even sure where I stand on it, to be honest with you. I've
seen the breakdowns and I think there was a lot of mistakes made there,
but ultimately DNA is not going to be enough. I could go out and
find DNA in my backyard tomorrow and send it off to some lab and then
come back and say it's unknown DNA, or it's part neandertal and part Homo
florensiensis, or whatever the case may be. It's still not going to prove
the existence of sasquatch in and of itself. There has to be a specimen,
possibly two, that science can say, Okay, this is what it
is. Now let's go find the rest of them and study the behaviors and
do the Jane Goodall thing and see what they're all about. That's fair enough,
But I have an argument for you. So when scientists or even just
people in general want to discover new species, Let's say in the Amazon someone
saw one. Let's say it's a certain tiger with a different set of stripes.
It looks a little bit different. Right, In our knowledge of animals,
we have people who are specialty at tigers and especially with lions, especially
with monkeys. They know the footprints, they know how they're gonna habituate,
they know what they're eating, they know all that stuff, they know where
they're going to be. So if we have people out there like Todd standing
like me, like everyone in our cooperation, and also everybody out there that
is doing the same thing trying to habituate with a troop. If you know
where they're going to be, you have the money backing you to send side
to sin there with the correct film proponents. When they go into the Amazon
to look for these animals, they find the footprints, they find the sign,
they find the habitat, and they sit there for weeks on end until
they get a picture and it's an HD quality like un like justifiable completely.
It can't be fake. This is the real animal. We have a picture
of it, we have footprint evidence of it, we have what they're eating.
It's all legit. Now they're through in the book their species. Why
can't we do that with sasquash. Why can't we send a couple of true,
legitimate wildlife biologists with guides such as Todd Standing or me or whoever else
into an area where they're known to be, where we have footage of them
previously, where we can go in and just sit. If it takes two
three weeks, it shouldn't be an issue to make that happen. And that's
why I don't stand behind killing one, because I don't think we necessarily need
to. I think we can send in the team that has had interactions with
this true prior, and the troop is comfortable with them. And if they
sit there, hopefully long enough, and they have the financials backing to pay
these people and all that other stuff, that we'll be able to just get
that HD picture and we'll have the footprint evidence on file because I'll have all
that. That's what they do when they go to the Amazon to look for
these animals. Why can't we do that with sasquatch? All right, I'm
gonna throw your argument back at you. Haven't we already done that? Hasn't
Todd Standing done that, interacted with the troop, found footprints, documented their
eating and movement habits, and he has HD quality video of numerous specimens.
So why isn't that enough? Because it just wasn't with the right people,
thought standing. Nobody knew him, nobody knew who he was, nobody knew
his knee, nothing, and then all of a sudden you threw out these
videos into the Internet. And I think because he didn't have maybe Jeff Meldrum
out there with him, or people out there who had a big enough name,
a trusted name, a well known name, and had the right camera
equipment, or even the right training to go out there with him and back
what he said and back his footage and have someone sign off on his stuff.
Jeff did later on. But to have that experience and to have those
pictures come from a wildlife biology, Like if Jeff Meldrum went out on the
woods and got footage or an HD picture that was his own, it'd be
a done deal. Yeah, I tend to agree with it. I threw
that back just for fun really, because it's not really a fair question.
I totally get what you're saying. Sure, if Jeff Meldrum took a team
of people out or even some of the people from North American would ape conservancy.
Some of those guys or even Kathy Strains people out there that are in
the community, that may have a little bit of a different standing, you
know, pun intending in the community, if they had a little different standing
in the community, then I think it would be taken more seriously. So
sure, I think to your point, I think that is a possibility,
and it would be enough if somebody took it seriously enough. But that's a
whole another ball of wax to get into, right, is why isn't science
doing that with all of the evidence that we have to date that science should
be taken this seriously. You have done entire shows where I've read scientific papers
and talked about this scientific paradox that we have around sasquatch and why it's not
being taken seriously in the scientific community, and why there's only a couple of
names that we can drop that even add any validity to it, like the
Jeff Meldrums and the late John binder Noggle and some of those people that took
this very seriously. Grovercrantz comes to mind. And until that actually happens,
it's never going to happen. So I guess I say that a specimen has
to be collected because that's the only way it's going to get done in this
current climate. Now, sure, if things change, You're absolutely right,
a team could go out and spend three or four weeks and get it done
and all be all proof could be obtained. But until that happens with science,
the only way to prove it is going to be with a specimen.
I'll agree to disagree with you on that. That's fine, but let's get
a little bit of a rapp hole there. I'm curious about that. So
obviously running your podcast, you had to have had some emails coming from an
unknown or coming from someone that said, don't mention my name. This is
what happened. I was told not to say anything. I don't want to
lose my career. Are you comfortable getting into that a little bit maybe talking
about some of those crazy stories. Sure. And I haven't had as many
of those as I've actually had people on the show that have talked about.
There was one guy in particular that had some really wild stories several episodes back,
that had an encounter with sasquatch and then was visited on the side of
the road by what he described as men in black that told him that's not
what he saw. He needed to stop talking about what he saw and those
kind of things. And I've had other people that have had similar experiences where
they've had visits from folks. And I got into this a little bit with
Ron moorehead. I'll go back to that. I listened to that episode today,
so it's fresh on my mind. We talked a little bit about the
government conspiracy thing, and I've had people bring that up to me over and
over again during the course of doing this show. And I'm a huge conspiracy
theory. There's tons of conspiracy theory books next to my bed. I'm reading
one or just finished one called The Inheritance on the Whole JFK Assassination Conspiracy.
Right, So I'm all about a good conspiracy theory. Here's the problem or
the rub for me with Bigfoot. I've always had this issue with why why
is there a conspiracy? Why would the government be covering up? And I
used to think my theory was in the beginning, it's got to do with
the forestry industry, right, and all the things and all the money that
generates. And of course let's not forget the national parks break in tons and
tons of money and donations and other things throughout the year for the government and
keep those things open. I think it has a little bit more to do
with after having a conversation with people like Ron's theory is it's more about what
it would do as far as disrupting our known science. Not think about that
for a second. If the government came out tomorrow, or if somebody came
out tomorrow and proved that Sasquatch and Bigfoot was a real thing, not just
the phenomenon. We're talking about the actual creature is real. If that happened
and we started looking at Darwinism, what we know about evolution, what we
know about the dinosaurs and the Neanderthals and all of our ancestors that came before
us. What if these things turn out to be a haman In and we're
coexisting alongside a haman Nin. We're not talking about a relic tominoid. We're
talking about an actual haman Nin that is so much closer to us. On
this bushy tree that we came from, we had no idea. So what
if that happens, and then you get into religion. Let's not even talk
about religion and what people think about that and how that would turn everything on
its ear. So I think it has a lot more to do with that,
maybe than just the forestry industry and just the money. But is it
possible there's a conspiracy theory out there. I don't think everybody that's brought that
up to me in the past is crazy. I think they've had some of
those experiences. And there's been people that have changed their name that have come
on the show first name, and some of the states are even different.
Most of the listeners that will be new for people on my show, I
don't really make that a big deal, but a lot of people I say
tons, but it's probably been two dozen over the course of one hundred and
eighty plus shows. They have asked me not to say they're real and really
where they're from because they are afraid of losing their job or some kind of
repercussions, not necessarily from the government in particular, some of them are government
employees, so that does play a part, but it's more related to being
looked at as a nut job and then this actual conspiracy I think to suppress
what's really going on. I share your opinion on that too. And so
I grew up the logging industry. My whole family, my father's side was
or loggers. That's what I did growing up. So I understand that logging
aspect of it because there's a lot of money involved in it. And when
you're talking about supply for a country coming out of let's say Canada produces eighty
percent and I probably am wrong about that number, but let's say they produce
eighty percent of the lumber for US. Now, if we cut that in
about half, let's say, if Sasquatch comes out as real tomorrow. That's
a huge issue for them because not only are losing out on trillions of dollars,
they have to now pull out from their logging areas because now they are
a hominen, they have land rights, which weaves, fish and wildlife is
going to have to get involved. They're gonna have to figure out everything that
we've already done the research on and set up perimeters and have fifty sixty seventy
seventy five mile radius that's now untouchable because it is a likely habitat of sasquatch.
Stay tuned for more sasquat joalicy wing right back after these messages. That's
a huge number of logging industries that are just gonna get destroyed and go out
of business because of that. So obviously the money gets tax off that the
government ain't gonna let that slide. And I think that's one of the main
reasons it's getting covered up is because of the tax revenue from that. And
also, like you said, with Darwinism and with evolution, that's going to
be a big shocker to a lot of people religious and not because there's this
line, there's this branch on this tree that previously is unknown and has never
been known, and now we have to fit it in somewhere, and that
tree as is pretty full. Where are we going to put that? How
does it fit? How are we going to live with that? Knowing that
you can go to Damp National Park and possibly have an encounter with one of
these people aren't going to want to go out and go camping in remote areas.
They're not gonna want to go horseback riding on twenty mile trails out in
the backwoods of the Rockies. They're going to lose a lot of money too,
So I get that, but it's still not okay because I believe they're
homini. I believe they're more involved than we are, and we need to
figure this out the right way so that it doesn't end up like the Indians,
where they have tiny ass little reserves after two hundred years and we phase
them out. That's not okay. I don't want to do that. That's
not right, that's not just we shouldn't have to do that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I think it's all just kind of money right now, and
until the right time comes, or the right person comes and has undeniable proof
of it, we won't know how that's going to affect everybody. I've heard
stories, and I've listened to other podcasts that have had stories on there about
government employees coming on and taking out families of Sasquatch in certain areas. We've
all heard those stories. Some of them im improven. I think it's hoaxes,
and some of them are still out there. As make of it what
you will. I do think that some of those things that probably happened,
and I do think the government knows something about these things. I've said this
so many times on my show. I was in government employee for sixteen years.
You would be surprised the ship that the government doesn't know. Everybody expects
that everybody who's in charge knows everything that is not entirely accurate. Okay,
So even on a say, a municipality level, when you're talking about like
the city of Atlanta, I used to be a city of Atlanta cops.
So the city of Atlanta is a huge metropolitan city, the left hand very
rarely never knew what the right hand was doing. So when you talk about
you're going out into the federal government that type of size entity, there's so
many things that so many people don't know so yes, are they aware.
I'm sure that they're a sasquatch out there. Have they probably sent teams out
to kill them in the past, probably? So did they take the time
to do the research and the science and recover the specimens and maybe they know
more about what they are than we do? Is that possible? Sure?
But I don't think there's some vast, huge governmental inspiracy theory to keep this
under wraps. In my opinion, I could be wrong. I've been wrong
before. I just don't think it's as vast as some people think. I
think they do probably know more than you are, high, but that may
not be saying a whole lot at the end of the day. Yeah,
no, I agree with you there. I know that Todd had an experience
with something along those lines happening, and I don't know if he talks about
it on the show, and I don't want to talk about it now because
I'd rather come from him on the show, But I will bring that up
next time I have him on. But I wanted to get your idea and
your opinion on that because obviously I have my thoughts on it, and being
that you have a lot more influence and a lot more followers than I do
right now. You would have some stories on that too, so thank you
for sharing that. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah, So when we talk about
the UFOs and stuff like that too, I've noticed that a lot of people
are having hand in hand kind of encounters with a UFO sightings or orbs and
stuff like that following or before a sasquatch en counter that they've had. And
I had Caitlyn on the show too, and she talked about hers, and
I had that happen with me. I didn't see the ORB, but my
dad saw one. And I said on my first podcast with Todd, my
dad is my rock or actually know that was a podcast with you. My
dad's my rock. My dad is my hero. He's Superman. He has
no reason to come up with stuff like that at all. And it wasn't
in my category of thoughts until I woke up that next morning and he said
I saw an ORB. I was like, okay, all right, this
is this needs to be talked about and brought up and figured out. And
like I said before, with the government conspiracies in your opinion, are you
starting to see that change too, where we're getting into UFOs and all this
other paranormal stuff is starting to become hand in hand with sasquatch. Yeah.
This so many people that I've talked to over the course of doing the show
that have had multiple encounters with different things that they can't explain, whether it
be orbs, or whether it be strange lights in the sky, or even
seeing craft before daring and sometimes after sasquatch encounters. And I initially I never
poopooed any of that because I've had some of those experiences myself, So I
can't say you're crazy because you saw a UFO or you saw a strange light
at the same time, I was putting them into boxes. That's what my
cop brain does, is that's got to go in a box over here,
that goes over here. But the more I talk to people, the more
it seemed that everything, in some way, a way I don't know yet,
is somehow connected. And people have told me that so many times on
the show. Everything is connected. So I used to instead of saying right
now, instead of saying, yeah, you're seeing these lights, and you're
seeing these orbs on your property and you're having this sort of habituation situation with
a sasquatch. That's just a lot of weird stuff going on, but it
has nothing to do with the other. Right, I'm more in the vein
of now trying to connect those dots. I still haven't been able to do
that. I don't know what it means. I don't know why Caitlin had
this incident where she had this or following her and her mother and then she
has a bigfoot account and she saw the identical sasquatch exactly, and she has
this thing where it's possibly this sort of mental connection of this mind speaks sort
of situation with this bigfoot, and then she sees it. It's real,
It's right there in her face. I don't know what that means, and
I don't think anybody does. Obviously, everything we're talking about it and any
of this stuff is really speculation. But I don't know how it couldn't be
connected in some way at this point now, I don't know what that means.
I don't know if it means that bigfoot is somehow more than just a
flesh and blood creature, because I'll tell you, five days out of seven,
I think they're just a flesh and blood creature. I think they're more
along the lines of some sort of like tominoid, or like you said,
maybe even possibly a hominy in. I don't know, but I lend most
of the experiences that I've documented to just being a flesh and blood creature that
eats and poops and procreates just like we do and any other animal on Earth.
But when you get into some of these other experiences like mind speak,
well, I had less stride on the show he talked about that I know
other people have had on the show. I've had other experiences where they've seemed
to have had some sort of mind speak or telepathic communication with these things,
or they frankly disappear. And I used to say that's more of an environmental
thing. It was a lighting thing. It's very easy to disappear in the
woods. I'm pretty good in the woods. I can go out, and
I'm pretty stealthy. And if I was playing around with somebody and I wanted
to really disappear, I could really make you feel like you're crazy, and
I could blend in with my surroundings fairly easily. And I'm a bumbling human
being and I don't live out there. I live in a house. So
if these things are part of their environment, they could do that easily without
actually physically disappearing. So I used to think that was more of an environmental
thing. It was a light thing. Maybe their hair was the funny lighting,
and it looked like they disappeared. But the more you talk to people
that say, no, this thing disappeared, and then you get into the
trackways. Right. I used to think when people would talk about seeing this
trackway that was in the middle of a field and there's snow on the ground
and there's forty fifty sixty sets of footprints and then they just disappear in the
middle of a field. How does that happen? I have an explanation of
that? Please tell me. I want to know they walk backwards in their
own tracks. See, that's where my mind goes, right. I think
these things are intelligent. Maybe they're aware of leaving their tracks like some other
animals that we know that are probably far less intelligent than something like a relic,
tominoid or another hominan would be. Other animals do that, and nature
we know that we've seen it has been documented. But if that's not the
explanation, what about the single two or three footprints? And then that's it?
Right? You have those two. I used to joke, what would
fall out of the sky on a pogo stick? And then it disappeared?
Like how does that happen? So I said all that to say, there's
a possibility in my mind that there is a lot more that are connected to
these and you talk to people again, like, I'll go back to Kaitlin.
I just talked to her last night and she doesn't want to talk about
some of the things that happened to her in her experience because she's afraid that
people think she's a nut job because she felt or had this connection mentally with
this creature. And I told her, I was like, look, don't
ever be afraid to tell your full story because it's dat no matter what people
think, no matter what people's opinion is, no matter what caused that.
We don't know. She doesn't know. I don't know, maybe the Bigfoot
that you had the connection with nose, but we can't have that conversation.
But it's still data. We have to take that data and be serious about
taking the data and saying, Okay, I'm going to add this to the
pile and maybe after so many times we have these conversations with people, we
can put enough of that data together to maybe get to an answer. But
as it stands now, I think it's connected. I don't know what those
orbs mean. I don't know what the lights mean, and I certainly don't
know what the UFOs and the alien connection seems to mean to these things,
because there may be more than we know is going on. Yeah, I
agree with you there, and collaborate a little bit more on that with the
mind speak and the esp and stuff like that. And for anybody out there
listening, the cooperation with Todd and I'm sure with a few other groups out
there that are also starting to phase into the spiritual side of sasquad researcher,
there's a lot more people out there that have had experiences that there are and
aren't willing to come out and talk about them because of that very reason.
But don't want to look crazy. I'm gonna understand we're on the sasquash subject.
There's already a little bit of craziness in the world about that. But
you're right, it is data. And for anyone listening, if you do
have that crazy story out there, you might have the Rosetta stone that's gonna
put the lid on all this because there could be that little bit of information
that you just don't want to say that maybe two or three other people had
that don't want to say. Also, that could be that could be the
answer to all of this. We don't know. We already don't know enough.
So the more data we have the better. And even if it is
crazy and it is a one off thing, it's still out there. And
if it happens against it, yeah, we know that's unknown. We know
that they do that. We know that they they've known to be in the
area of that spot or I can't even say what it could be, what
it couldn't be, but that data is this is important as you describing what
it's looking like when it runs across the road in front of your cart night.
Every little detail matter. So please anybody out there listening or watching that
little detail, please come forward and share that. We have to put it
somewhere. It has to be involved somehow, and if we don't share that,
we're just putting ourselves further behind in the research and that doesn't do good
for anybody. Yeah, I definitely agree. I've had people on the show
that we're afraid to share parts of their encounter. Again, I'll go back
to the I keep going back to Ron moorehere, but it's all fresh on
my brain because I just did that show today. I told Ron about a
story that happened early on in the show. This man and this woman went
out to enjoy a nice evening out at this local park where they were at
and they were like eating some cheese and crackers and sitting there and then they
hear this crashing through the woods and here comes this amazing sasquatch encounter that they
had. This thing was huge, it was running across this field and during
the interview, the guy was telling me that it was being chased by a
mountain lion. And I remember when he told me that I make notes when
I'm talking to people all the time, and I made this note, Okay,
the sasquatch was being chased by something, and then he said it was
a mountain lion and he just grazed over and he went on and he went
into a very detailed description because it were fairly close to the sasquatch that they
saw. So I went back to it and I said, man, I'm
just amazed that I've never heard anybody tell me a story about a big foot
that was a afraid of anything and being actually chased by something. This thing
was running away from another creature, and I just thought that was really wild.
And he said, yeah, it was this mountain lion. And his
whole encounter took fourteen minutes. It was one of those really quick encounters,
and he was very succinct. And we ended the interview, and at the
end of the interview, I said, we talked like we always do when
I close out a show, I spend extra time with the guests and talking.
I said, man, I just can't believe that this big foot was
running from a mountain lie and he was like, yeah, I didn't want
to say it on the air, but this mountain line that was chasing this
big foot was about six times the size of a normal mountain line, and
I just said, what, it was huge, And he did not want
to tell me that on the air, and I actually ended up reaching out
to him later on, and I did a follow up interview I think,
or a follow up show, like two or three shows later. I think
with the rest of the story that I just shared with the audience because with
his permission, because I thought it needed to be told, because he was
so afraid that people would think he was crazy if he said that on the
air. Now he's talking about seeing a big foot run across a field,
but he didn't want to tell me that it was being chased by this mountain
line that was six times bigger than a regular mountain line, because he thought
people would think he's crazy and wouldn't believe the story. So just things like
that, how do you reconcile that. I don't know how that happens.
I don't know how you have a mountain line that big. Where did it
come from? So? Where did it go? How does it exist?
How does the Sasquatch exist? I don't know. But it's again, it's
data right because that story in and of itself has had to take a step
back and say, does that mean that these things maybe interdimensional? Maybe they're
coming in and out of this realm somehow? Because I don't know how other
people wouldn't see a mountain line gets pretty big. But you're talking four to
six times. I mean we were talking about it maybe a five to six
hundred pounds give or take mountain line. Now think about that for a second.
Think about a five or six hundred pound beer that's a huge bear.
Right, So we're talking about a mountain line the size of a five or
six hundred pound bear chasing a big foot across a field. I don't know
how that happens. But that's just one of those little examples of people not
sharing information because they think people are gonna think they're crazy. But again,
it's just another bit of data to add to the hopper. That usually leaves
me with more questions than answers, But again, it's still important and I
think it needs to be told. Now we presumably know what sasquatch are frado,
which is a first on the list, A six hundred pound mountain lion.
I think I would probably be running from a six hundred pound mountain lion.
Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. That's crazy. That's definitely bizarre.
But that's what I meant stuff like that. Man, I wish I was
there because I would went over and looked at those footprints. Could you imagine
having a picture of perfect sasquatch trail running and then these huge mountain lion tracks
running behind it. Oh my god, Yeah, it would be great.
And I don't remember. I'm horrible with that. I don't remember exactly it
was out west. I think it was in California or somewhere in that area.
I don't remember the circumstances or if it would even been possible for them
to go and take a look at tracks, because that's usually a question that
I ask. But he's on this date with this girl, it's like their
first date, and he was more concerned about her not thinking he was crazy
and him not thinking she was crazy. So they saw the same thing kind
of thing. But yeah, I mean, if you're able to go and
take a look at that, I would imagine that would have been something else
to definitely something else to see. Now that we're on the topic of crazy
things to seat, let's talk about Todd Stanning's documentary and his footage because it's
my job. So being that you see his footage, and obviously I'm an
advocate for him and his footage, what are your impressions of it? What
was your first thought's watching it? My first real exposure to his footage was
in the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, and I've since gone back and tried to look
at some of the other footage on I think it's some of it's on Lessa's
YouTube channel. In other places, but the majority of what I saw,
and the first exposure I had to it was on the Discovering Bigfoot documentary.
So the first time I watched it, I walked away and thought I was
blown away by the fact that this guy has caught possibly the best images that
we will ever see of a big foot. That was my first impression.
I thought, either he is one hundred percent caught the best images will ever
see outside of the Patterson Gimbling film, or he's one hundred percent full of
shit and this is all faked. That was the only two places I could
come down at that point. I've since watched the documentary, I have to
admit, probably ten times since then, just as recently as maybe a week
ago. I was scrolling through and I saw it and I was like,
oh, okay, I'm gonna watch it again. Every time I watched it,
it pushed me further and further from believing that it was real. I
have to be honest, and I tell you why. I've said this plenty
of times on the show. I operate by the Doug high Check three second
rule, and I think you and I have talked about this before. When
I see footage, usually within the first three seconds, I get that spidy
sense of whoa that looks real or whoa that looks one hundred percent fake?
To me? And the more I've watched the footage outside of the one video
where there was a Sasquatch figure, I mean, I don't know what the
video numbers are or what footage it is, but there's that one where this
thing is it stands up on the side of this heill and then it runs
up this very vertical side of the bridge or this mountain. So that to
me seems to be the most credible if that's the word video that I've seen
that he's put out. The rest of them just do not stand up to
the three second rule for me, because three seconds and I'm like, yeah,
that doesn't look right now. I will say this before you even get
into it. I will be the first to admit I think part of that
problem is, and I've talked about these kind of people on my show before,
if it looks too good to be true, we all think that it
is because we're used to bly squatches and these really grainy, blurry, way
off low quality images, whether it be video or just photographs of purported Sasquatch.
So when you see something that's very close up, zoomed in HD quality,
nobody's really ever seen that. So it's one of those things where I
find myself in this sort of moment where it's either really good footage or it's
fake. There's really no in between for me. That's where I am,
and I still go back and forth, but I have to be honest,
and I've been honest with you and Todd about this before. I'm just not
there that all of those images that we see that are purported to be videos
of sasquatch are in fact legitimate. We'll go back to the one that you
first talked about. That's video three where it runs up the hill and runs
across that sack Corge. So Todd went back later on, i think the
year after that happened, and did a breakdown analysis of it, and I
was that in his I'm pretty sure it was in this documentary, but I'm
not sure if it's in a separate video, but I know I remember he
did the breakdown. So he went back to that place right where that hill
was, and it's like a seventy degree in client. He struggled to get
up that spot, which he looked kindy compared to that thing. When he
did the side by side, you could tell he was just nowhere near this
thing size. So he struggled the climate. It took three or four seconds
to get up there, maybe even longer, and that probably longer three or
four doesn't hid right. It took him like fifteen seconds to get up this
hill, right, It was like a twenty foot distance travel to get up
to that spot. So he got up there, grabbed the stick, and
he tossed the stick down, and we all know gravity's nine pointy meters stress
second squared. So he did the reversal of the footage in how long it
took the stick I think it was two seconds or three seconds, and calculated
out that sasquatch ran up that hill, accelerated up that hill from dead stop
faster than gravity pulled that stick down. Just in human you can't do that
right there off the get go. That hash shot is enough. So now
let's take the proportion of Todd and him put him in that area, which
is like way the hell out, like Radium and the research areas out there,
that's even way further out. So let's put him in a suit and
put him on stilts and make him about three hundred pounds heavier in this crazy
suit per se and have him try to do that. That's not gonna happen.
And then it ran alongside that gully faster than any human can run on
a track, and it actually did fall. You can see, Amanda,
one of the people in the cooperation went through and stabilized it all and clear
it all up, and it actually tripped and fell and got back up and
took off again. And it still did that faster than any human can do
running, which in that twenty seconds of video, it surpassed anything a human
can do. Three poll So for me, that's definitive enough. And if
that's not for you, then I get it. You're gonna just have to
come out with me. I'm formally inviting you out to go on an expedition
with me, and I will have you either live interact with or I witnessed
the sasquatch. Todd has done the same thing, and I've definitely wanted to
take him up on that. So, yeah, it goes back to what
you said was video three. So that's the one that I picked out that
looked the most legitimate to me, and it could be not. I don't
know. I wasn't there. I can look at the breakdown and the analysis
and say, yeah, I agree with you that this thing moved faster than
any human, it was bigger than any human, that kind of thing.
The issue with the other videos that I have is that you don't have that.
And one of the things that I pointed out I think I talked to
you about it on my show was there's really nothing leading up to it.
It's just you just see this these videos and they look very different. I
can think of I don't know how many videos there are, but I can
think of at least three right off the top of my head, and they
all look like entirely different things. It was like going to India and filming
people, and coming to America and filming people, and then going to Southeast
Asia and filming people. I guess India is Southeast Asia. But can you
get my point right? To stop you there, stay tuned for more sasquatch
out to see will be right back after these messages. They are still all
people, exactly, good point touche all. They're all people. However,
there is a distinct difference in the look right There's the one video that I
think is towards the end of the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, is this weird thing
where he's coming out and this thing's like pacing him out of the woods and
he gets gets under this log and it's this black face. It looks painted
to me, some sort of man painted with this face, and this really
broad nose that kind of stuck out to me. It just looks fake to
me. It just doesn't look like any animal or anything that even the other
videos that are purported to be sasquatch even remotely resembled. And I thought to
myself, Okay, there's the skunk akee. Right. I think regionally around
here there seems to be just a general consensus amongst most people in the Bigfoot
community that there are possibly different subspecies or different types of sasquatch. Farther north
you go, the bigger things are kind of thing so Pacific Northwest. They're
eight nine ten feet tall, and they're these big, patty like creatures.
And then you've got the wiry, sort of looking almost orangutan sasquatch down in
Florida that people call the skunk cake. So regionally, these things are different
sometimes drastically, but we're talking within I don't know how any square miles we're
talking up in that research area that he's captured these videos. Would there be
three to four different types of sasquatch in that area to be filmed? That
look that different? Is one of the questions that popped into my mind the
more that I looked at the footage. So I guess I'll pose that question
to you. It's basically as simple as I can understand it. I think
it's just a basic differentiation between you and I. I look different from you,
I look different from my neighbor, you look different from whoever walking down
the street. And also we have to think about this and more of a
biological standpoint, where let's say you have a very remote troop of sasquatch right
let's just say they're real. Right now, there's twelve of them one area.
It's segregated from a few other troops that are maybe one hundred miles away.
Right after a few generations, they're going to start running into problems such
as in breeding and possibly dwending willing numbers, or maybe too many numbers to
where the food source can't support their family. So now you have to consider
that either they're gonna have to start killing some wall or they're gonna have to
start being nomadic, and maybe the whole troop moves, maybe one or two
move maybe what or to die over the time. We don't know their lifespan.
Let's say that out of the twelve three leaves, right, So now
you're down to nine, and let's say from the other troop from two hundred
miles away, one wanders in or comes to that territory, right, And
that needs to happen because otherwise there will be inbreeding. So I do think
that they do move around, but you're going to have that differentiation between what
they look like because you're going to have either possibly some inbreeding which causes them
to look drastically different from one than the other, and the same troop that
could be family or it's just different genes from a troop that's been segregated for
so long, and maybe an area open up to allow them passage, or
maybe even the opposite, where a whole troop moves to a different area.
They're all going to have different facial features, they're all going to have different
body structure, they're going to have different ways to hunt. There's gonna be
a whole different but it's gonna be like Mexican tribes meeting up with maybe Eskimos
up in Alaska. It's going to be this crazy, weird clash of Okay,
I can learn something from you, they can learn something from me.
And they look different. So if you have that weird overlap of genes,
you're gonna have that. Okay, Like Caboda the video you're talking about underneath
the log, he's a weird looking, creepy Sasquatch. It's just between whoever
his mom and dad was. Look at dogs. This is the easiest example
I can give. We mix the craziest dog species and they look crazy.
You know the dog from Target, I don't know the species name or anything
like that. I love old dogs. That's a weird looking dog. It's
got a weird face, but it's gonna look completely different from a pug.
And yes, they are different species, but they're still a dog. So
to me, it's just whatever they mixed with. It is just what they're
at and where they're at and why they look different. And if Jane looks
different from Jake, it's probably because they either have different fathers or different mothers.
It's just as simple as that. And I certainly get what you're saying.
And I think the problem that happens a lot of times in the community,
and I know I'm certainly guilty of it as well. It's over my
shoulder, it's literally over my head. Now there's a picture of Patty behind
me. Right, So everybody has this preconceived notion of what a sasquatch looks
like, should they be real? And I guess for me, Patty is
probably that quintessential picturesque sasquatch exactly right. It's like the if you picture the
perfect human specimen, and that may be different for different people. You pick
a male and female specimen that you consider to be like the quintessential good looking
man or woman, whatever the case may be. It's like that for me
with sasquatch, just Patty. And who knows. I've done entire shows about
the validity of the Patterson Giblin film and whether it was a hoax or not,
or if that's Bob Hoeronymous in a suit, it could very well be
Bob Hoeronymous in a suit. I don't think that's the case. I could
be wrong, right, so there's always that little bit of room for error
there. But for me, when I watched the Anderson Giblin film, from
the very first time that I saw it until the last time that I saw
it, which was probably two or three days ago, I've had the same
feeling throughout. I've had doubts and I continue to have doubts about the validity
of this film to this very moment. But the majority of the time,
six days out of seven, ninety nine times out of a one hundred,
when I see it, I get the same feeling that I fall down on
the side of I think that is actually a Sasquatch, and I think that
film is what it appears to be. I'm just not there with Todd's stuff.
That's just the end of the day. For me. That's where it
comes down, and I don't want to be there. I honestly don't want
to be there. I want it to be real, because the first time
I saw it, the feeling that I had was why is everybody not up
in arms about this? Why is this not ending the conversation about this?
And then I figured it out because I watched it over and the more that
I looked at it, like I said, I just don't have that same
feeling I want to be there, I'm just not there. Yep. And
I get that, and I think that I can pretty much answer everyone's reasoning
behind that. If we, let's say, compare Patterson g and Went footage
to Video three where that Sasquash runs up the hill, I think they're comparable.
I think they're very much comparable because we can look at the muscle definition,
we can look at the body structure, we can look at all those
details and those fine movements that it uses to move. Patterson Gimlet's footage incredible
footage. I think it's one hundred percent right. We didn't have the technology
for suits then, we don't have it now. There's no way that that's
baked. And even if they did take it, they wouldn't have put breasts
on it, and they wouldn't have put the quad muscle blown out in that
much detail from that far away with an old camera, it just doesn't it
doesn't light out. And also they tried to superimbose people into it. It
didn't work out. Todd. You can do the same thing with Todd's footage.
And because there's all that movement and that whole body and it's moving around,
and you see the whole thing moving at the same time and in conjuncture
with itself. That's what you need to get that, okay, And that's
why you think that video three is probably real. But let's go to Jig
where it's just the HD video of just his face and his eye. There's
not much movement there. It's just his face. He's pretty much just hiding.
He blinks and that's about the only movement we get. He moves a
little bit side to side. And there are other pictures that Todd has where
you can see your shoulders and you can see his beard and everything like that.
But I understand because there's just not that movement. There's not that quality
behind the footage where you say, okay, I'm seeing this thing walk off.
Who's seeing it's muscles flexing like all this. People who've seen that there,
Yeah, that's real. That can't be faked. That can't be a
man in a suit. Once we get that on footage, I think it'll
be the same thing. But as far as the Jake footage and the Jane
footage, there's just not enough there, which is crazy for me to think
about because it's there, that's them, but it for everybody out there who
doesn't believe in it and thinks it's a mask it because they don't and there's
nothing else there. So I understand. So let me ask you this thinker
Thunker. Right, let's talk about him for a second. He's done this
breakdown of let's stick with the Jake video for example. I've watched that,
right, and he's dissected some of my videos and that are on Todge channel,
so I've watched a little bit of his stuff, the breakdown that he's
done, and Todd talked about that on my show, So it's a fair
game to talk about, right. He compared what thinker Thunker came up with
his breakdown of the Jake video that he claimed as Todd himself in makeup and
if you watch the thinker Thunker video, At least for me, it made
sense to me because when he does these side by side comparisons of the two
videos and the facial where the nose and the eyes and everything lines up to
Todd's point on my show when he referenced that in particular, I didn't bring
it up. He did. He said, thinker Thunker is talking about this
thing. Jake's head's like three times the size of he is, and there's
no way it was him. And to me, that's not entirely accurate because
if you look at Thinker Thunker's video and his breakdown, he does the numbers
on this right. He didn't just throw that out there haphazardly. It looked
like it made sense to me. What do you think to somebody like think
with Thunker, who breaks this down almost for a living, I guess we
could it be fair to say, and he's come to this conclusion that it
is either Todd or somebody else and makeup what do you think of? What's
your answer to that? What do you think about that? Computers can do
amazing things. You can take and Todd as septence, You can take Andre
the Giant and paste it over a five year old's face, and you can
make small fractual adjustments and make it look like Andre the Giant's a six year
old. And I also think it is because they're so close to us that
they do in some aspects resemble us a little bit. But to get down
to think her Thunker's analysis of it, Yeah, I see where everybody's coming
from with that but on the scale of it all, it's hard to tell
from the video aspect of it because there's no depth to it. You're not
looking, it's not right here, so you can't tell the actual size until
Todd does his breakdown where he takes the Douglas fur needles and he paced in
front of its face, finds out it's almost fifteen inches wide. No amount
of makeup in the world is going to take up that big And not to
mention the I spacing is different for humans. It's one of our eyes will
fit perfectly on the bridge of her nose, and we'll touch either of our
One eye fits perfectly, betweet. If you look at the footage of Jeek,
there's two two of his eyes will fit, betweet, So the dimensions
don't work out whatsoever. And if it was him in a mask, and
I've talked about this before on my show, and I think yours. I
don't know who did that makeup, but if any makeup designer did do that,
I think they would have came out by now or when he threw his
footage up on the news and said, hey, look what I found,
they would have been like, nah, here's a receipt. He paid me
this much of money. Here's the suit right here, here's the face right
here. I did that work, and they're going to claim it because they
want to make a movie on that. And he's the best artist in the
world now because he duped two PhDs and Survivor Man on his footage. It
doesn't make any sense. You can't spend that kind of money with that animatronics
and that much detail and at each D video that you can't pick it apart
without pacing someone's human face on it. That makes any sense without anybody coming
out and saying, yeah, that was me, I did that, or
no, I paid these bunch of people, and there's ends and stuff like
it would have came out somebody. It would have came out, and they're
probably going to be some crazy guy out there, Oh yeah, I did
it just for clout. But it doesn't work like that when you have legitimate
receipts and you can say, yeah, you know what, I'll do it
again. Someone passed up on this obviously, but give me whatever. It's
going to be thirty forty thousand dollars to fake this, I'll do it.
And when he does it and it's perfect and identical or even it's the original
one, then we can disprove it. Until then you can take whatever photo
of you want of a human, post it over Jake, and you can
make little movements and adjustments and you can make it work. Sure, And
if that's what you want to go with to ease your mind that Sasquatch is
real, and go for it. But I think picking apart his videos like
that, it don't look going backwards now because at that point we're not fighting
for the discovery of Sasquatch. We're fighting for whether Todd's a liar or not.
And we don't do that with Bob Gimlin anymore. We don't do that
with Jeff knowledge From, we don't do that with less Stroud. There are
people out there who question why they get into it, but Todd's the small
fish on the scale, so everyone's going to attack him because he doesn't have
the back at that everybody else stubs. Yeah, that's pretty much when I
have sip up that, and like I get think you're thunker. I understand
why he would try to disprove it. That's what he does. Good for
him to try. I asked myself this question over and over again because Like
I said, when I saw the Discovering Bigfoot documentary, I wanted it to
be real more than anything in the world. And think of Thunker, to
his credit, has done some breakdowns that I've seen on the Patterson Dimlin film,
and he falls down on it's not a human being. I guess it
just comes back to the question, even for myself and other people that are
involved in the Bigfoot community, why is it that Todd Standing has created or
captured these videos of purported Sasquatch and there's very few people in the community that's
not saying much. There's very few people in the community that fall on the
side of him being legitimate and thus legitimizing his footage. Why do you think
that is? Do you think it's a personality thing? Because I've had people
tell me that before, they think it's more of a personality thing with Todd,
and I get that on some level. I've gotten to know Todd a
little bit outside of just doing interviews with him, and we've worked together outside
of the show. I know what kind of person he is away from the
camera, so to speak. A lot of people don't get to see that
side of him. But do you think it's a personality thing. Why do
you think there's this disconnect between Todd and his footage and the validity of his
footage, say, versus the Patterson Gimmlin film, Because there was a lot
of problems, let's be honest with Roger Patterson's character. There's a lot of
character assassinations out there that I've talked about on the show before. Roger Patterson
maybe duped a lot of people in a lot of aspects of his life.
And I've argued many times it's not about his character what Roger Patterson did before
the film or even after the film. It's about what's on the film that
we have to talk about. That sixty seconds of the Patterson Gimmon film is
really all it comes down to me. And people like Bill Mns and other
people have done those breakdowns Thinker Thunker, as I've already talked about, and
nobody has been able to disprove anything about that film being a hoax outside of
Boparonymous saying yeah, that's me in the suit and that's my glass eye or
whatever. Why do you think that we have this issue with Todd and his
HD quality videos? Why do you think we're still having this argument. Why
am I not convinced, I guess is the question. Let's go back to
Bob Kimlyn and and his footage when he first put that out, and when
it first came out, he had just as much backlash, probably more than
Todd, because that footage that he got spread a lot further than toddsed it.
Even with internet today, you saw that footage movie theaters across the country
and across the world. Problem that had way more just people who saw it,
way more viused, and there's so much backage. Nobody really wanted to
believe that stuff. I think it's more of I don't want to know and
I'm too afraid to find out the truth than it is actual analysis and like
being open minded about it. And I think it's We're in the same spot
with Todd right now. He is the way he is, and I really
don't need to get into it with his personality because sometimes he can be difficult
and he does speak his mind a lot of the times, and I'll call
him out on it a future podcast, but he does get fired up about
some stuff and he gets a braids of I like that about him because it
shows that he's determined in what he believes in, and not a lot of
people will hold up to that, and a lot of people will back down
if you say the right question or say the right thing. I think that
speaks a lot, But it's more the fact that Bob went through the ringer
with his footage. Todd's just going through that ringer right now, and right
now. You can go to any big Foot conference. Bob Gimmelin's there.
Everybody loves him, everybody wants to meet him, everybody wants his signatures.
They all say your footage is real. Maybe they don't. There's always going
to be those couple of people out there books. We're in that spot right
now, where Todd's at, where Bob's at, where was Nobody knew him,
everybody saw his stuff. There was no way it could possibly be big
Foot because big Foot's not real. And your generation, i'm going to admit,
was a little bit more hard headed than mine is, so when you
grew up not around Bigfoot. Bigfoot wasn't real. That's just how they are.
And especially in that time when that came out in sixty seven, that
was a lot of heat for that video that he got. It's just older
quality footage, so obviously we can break that down better. And it's a
blob squatch like all the other stuff we have. It's just people in suits
and they zoom out on purpose. I think it's just more that Todd wasn't
very well known. It wasn't so much as character. It was just this
new guy that came up with this incredible, amazing footage that nobody else can
seem to get. I think it was more jealousy than it was, much
more than that. But it's it's the fact that he just isn't connected and
now he is, but before he wasn't, and people took that to harp
And why is this guy who nobody's heard of, has all this amazing,
great evidence. It's got to be fake. He has to baked it.
He doesn't have a backing like I do, or one of the big name
guys out there, who if they came out with footage, everybody'd be like,
yeah, you've been researching it, like so Jeff and mil Jog.
If he came out with footage, indisputable, done, close the book,
put the cap on it. It's done. Because it's Jeff Meldrum. If
I come out with footage, everyone's gonna think it's fake. That's just where
I'm at. It's not a character thing. It's just where we're at with
people who are famous and people who aren't. If you've talked to Dwagh,
the Rock Johnson, his opinion is gonna matter more to you than mine.
Why is that? Yeah, Like I said, I want to believe you,
man, I want to get on the train. Come on, I'm
going up to the radium next month. So if you want, let me
know message Todd, I'll get you up there. I'm gonna take you up
on that, man, Please do I honestly, I would love to have
you come up. I think we had the best time. We got electric
bikes out there and stuff. You don't have to walk around. You don't
have to hike six miles up on an electric bike and twist the throntal.
Hey I'm in pretty chape I can hide it. Just say it's it's a
really incredible experience. I really suggest to you. And even if you only
come out once and you just get to see the sights, you're never gonna
forget. And like I send you the pictures, but when you post it
up the pictures of my podcast with you or your podcast with me. Rather,
that's all right in his research area. And you go down the trail
a little bit, you come out to the Koutney River. That's a picture.
It's right there. I can take you back to all those spots.
Yeah, it's gorgeous. Man. If nothing else, just to recharge the
batteries, I might have to take you up on that for sure. Yeah,
yep, absolutely. We don't even have to talk about big if you
dont want to talk about big Foot, we don't have to just come out
there and experience that, and it'll really put you back on the reset road
and do some iceman training with you. I challenge you that. I'll challenge
you to that. You do some iceman training with me, you will feel
like a new person. Yeah. I might have to try that too.
After you described it, I was like, man, that sounds like something
I might get into it. Yeah, I'm gonna get you out there.
I'm gonna get you out there, don't you worry. Yeah. I think
that's gonna be it for tonight. Guys. I've pretty much exhausted you,
I'm sure, after doing podcasts all day. Yeah, it's been a long
day man. All right, thanks again for having me on your show,
and thanks for coming on my show. Absolutely, it was my pleasure.
Man. I always have a good time talking to you