WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:46.439 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I'm your host Alejandro Rojas, 2 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:55.320 and my guest is nobody all bamma safe. In fact, well, 3 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:59.479 we've got a couple of people in the chat here. Let's see. I 4 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:03.119 have not been uh, this is a heads up. So I just got 5 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:11.519 a text from Ben Hansen because he's got a new TV show called UFO Witness 6 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:18.000 on the Discovery Channel. In fact, his co host is Mark O'Connell, 7 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:23.200 who wrote the book on doctor j Allen Heinek, and it ought to be 8 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.319 a good show. Ben's awesome, he's a good buddy, and we're just 9 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.280 coordinating that. In fact, that interview is going to be for Den of 10 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.640 Geek up next week with Ben. But I'll have more and I'll do some 11 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.400 updates, and why don't we do that. Let's do some updates. I 12 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:46.239 wouldn't say that I necessarily that organized, you know today. In fact, 13 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:49.480 look at Dirk is saying no warning on this one. I did give a 14 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.719 little bit of a warning, but not much. You're right, and the 15 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:56.640 reason is it has been kind of it's just been a confusing mess. So 16 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.439 let me get into that. First of all, Like with Doug ug Smith, 17 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:05.640 who of course we do the we Is Doug Reading typically show every week, 18 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.000 and we haven't done that in last month. He's got that shave company 19 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:12.039 right, and I didn't use his razors this morning, as you can tell. 20 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.719 And I'll talk about that too. But hello, Simone and Aunt and 21 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:22.120 Texas and Stacy and everybody who's jumping in there. Good to see y'all. 22 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.400 Glad you can join us. In fact, I'm going to need your help. 23 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.800 So I'm so happy that you guys are all getting in here because I'm 24 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.479 not as organized as I should be, and there's so much UFO news that 25 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:37.240 has gone on in the last four weeks. Please do put your questions in 26 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.680 the chat if you're joining live, and I'll get to your questions as we 27 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:44.199 go along. And I want to be sure because a lot of people are 28 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.879 curious about a lot of things going on, and you know, I didn't 29 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:52.520 realize there were some things that I wasn't as excited about, just because there's 30 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.840 a lot of false information going on out there too, but a lot of 31 00:02:55.039 --> 00:03:00.479 exciting and not so exciting. We'll get all into that. Yeah, mister 32 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.080 Douglas Smith wasn't able to join us because he's so busy. He has that 33 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:13.120 shave company and they go crazy during the holidays. Hello Christian and so and 34 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:20.680 Terry from Morgan. So he's been swamped, just crazy swamped Martin. Unfortunately, 35 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.719 everybody send him some good juju. He may be watching or listening, 36 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:30.840 I'm not sure, but he's not feeling good. So he's just starting yesterday, 37 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.000 I guess. So he wasn't able to join either. But we'll have 38 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:38.240 him next week and I'll definitely update you on Martin and how he's doing as 39 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:44.000 I find out, so so stay tuned there too. But let's get into 40 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:46.159 it first. I want to talk about some of the things out there that 41 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:51.439 I've been up to that you can enjoy, first of all being if you 42 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:55.719 didn't see it for the holidays. Essentially, I have this lecture that I've 43 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.479 created many years ago, based often an article I did in Open Minds magazine 44 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:09.759 called UFOs and Religion. So how religions are dealing with the idea of aliens 45 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:14.240 and etraterrestrials, what they think of it, like, is it okay? 46 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.000 You know, if I'm Mormon, Is it okay? If I believe in 47 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:19.240 aliens? It is? And I go over all of this kind of thing 48 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:25.600 in that lecture, and I also talk about how the belief in extraterrestrials is 49 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:30.560 kind of spawning these new religions very similar to some of you might have read 50 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.959 the book by Diana Posolka, and I know she got into some of that 51 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.079 as well, which I think is really interesting. You know, we talk 52 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:43.319 about kind of the Yungian context concepts and stuff like that around that topic. 53 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.279 So that is a Rojas Reports that is still out. Oh and Stacy Wright, 54 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.879 she watched it. She said, that's one of my favorite lectures of 55 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:54.199 yours. Thank you, Stacy. I know, I think it's really interesting. 56 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.639 And you know, one idea and we live through this right now and 57 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:03.680 we'll get into this a bit too, is that the ideas of extraterrest girls. 58 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:10.040 You kind of talked about archetypes. There are kind of supernatural archetypes that 59 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:15.639 we refer to and we kind of used to explain things that we don't understand, 60 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.199 but also where we believe that we receive information. You know, good 61 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:24.240 things happen, weird things happen, and we don't know what to subscribe that 62 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.399 to, you know, why that is happening. And a lot of people 63 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.439 use religion to do that. But now extraterrest girls are kind of the new 64 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:38.000 thing. You know. Georgiosukolos is kind of the meme that represents exactly what 65 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.199 I'm talking about in that, you know, I don't well, I don't 66 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.160 know what it is, and I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens. 67 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.839 It's kind of our new bucket where we put the unknown and why things 68 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:53.600 have happened. So I think that that's going to be something to watch as 69 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:58.480 we go in these two directions. We go in the direction of legitimate research, 70 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.959 in discovering what's going going on, which is happening out there at a 71 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:06.959 pace that's unheard of. In fact, right now, I'm reading Avi Loeb's 72 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:14.759 book. He is the scientist that worked at Harvard who made all of this 73 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:20.120 muck, you know, excitement about this object that came through Amuamua that turned 74 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:26.839 out to be something interstellar and something strange that we can't understand, and he's 75 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.759 convinced that it is extraterrestrial technology. We'll get into that in just a bit. 76 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.079 I'm reading that book now. It's great. I don't think the book's 77 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.560 out. I got a preview copy because i'm supposed to be interviewing him soon, 78 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:42.560 so that'll be an exciting Rojas reports coming out. But as we move 79 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.800 from you know, science doing some research, and then of course the mythology 80 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.120 side, the people who believe their hearing voices, people who are just kind 81 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:57.040 of subscribing things to the extraterrestrial concept, or people are aligning, you know, 82 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:00.800 the Hoaxter's and the Charlatans, but they create this whole belief system and 83 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.240 you you know, and where do those intersect and what's going on? And 84 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:10.839 you know, it's just an interesting future. And as I review in that 85 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.600 talk, that's not going away. If anything, all of this is going 86 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:19.600 to grow more and more and more, and the idea of extraterrestrials will definitely 87 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.879 be more part of everybody's lives, not just those of us who have been 88 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:29.959 interested in this topic. And not only that. You know, who knows 89 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.439 where the science and the research will go. Who knows what we'll discover. 90 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.879 I mean, for goodness sakes, it's Harvard astronomer saying, you know, 91 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:44.399 bucking the entire academic academic field by saying this has got to be aliens. 92 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.079 Why is he saying that we'll get into that in a minute. But right 93 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.920 now we're reviewing some of this stuff out there. I also did an interview 94 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:58.800 with Tony Harris, and I'm gonna get this if you haven't seen it. 95 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:03.120 Some of our people who are in our chat sometimes are on the show, 96 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.879 and I think they've got some great people on the show. Let's I'll describ 97 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:16.360 a picture. Now. Here's the History Channel site on it, and I 98 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:22.519 want to show this to you. Let mess share my screen, gonna share 99 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.480 the screen. This is miss Shama screen music. Boo boo. You like 100 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.519 that. There we go, Here we go, so, there we go. 101 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.919 There's a website on the History Channel for the show. Right now, 102 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:41.519 there's a couple episodes you could see. I've been able to see three episodes. 103 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:46.120 This is the guy I interviewed, Tony Harris. Like it says here, 104 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:52.360 he's an Emmy Award winning journalist and filmmaker. He's great. You know, 105 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.720 I really like him for the show because he is a journalist, and 106 00:08:54.879 --> 00:09:00.320 you kind of get that sense from the show. In the show, you 107 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:05.080 know, he's like really grilling people. And you've got researchers that we're familiar 108 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.840 with, people like Mark D'Antonio, Chase Kletsky, you know who else is 109 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:15.039 on there, Tim McMillan, MJ. Benias. And if you don't know 110 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.000 who these people are when I rattle off these names, they are people I've 111 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:22.120 interviewed, even fairly recently, so you can find my interviews with these guys. 112 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.320 But they're all researchers and very credible and great researchers in this field. 113 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:30.440 And I think they're making some really good calls too. Uh. There's only 114 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.200 one UFO video so far that they believe is legit, and I agree with 115 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:41.000 them. It's a really interesting one. So check that out there. UFO 116 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:46.960 Witnesses on Discovery plus someone saying yeah, So my interview with Ben Hansen next 117 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.919 week will be about his new show, UFO witness He's a host on that. 118 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:56.679 He's a former FBI agent. He's been doing lots of paranormal television and 119 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.399 about UFOs and stuff. He's a very good personal for and of mine and 120 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:07.559 Karen's and his family, and I'm really excited for the show coming up. 121 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.320 So I would say follow my Twitter, and in fact, this is going 122 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.320 to be our guide today. I just should never look. Now. Someone 123 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:26.840 said something else to me, Oh, he's asking this is a controversial but 124 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.519 I'll do it. Do you consider Stephen Grewer a credible source or authority on 125 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:37.960 UFO's UAPs, I do well in a way. I do consider doctor Stephen 126 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.919 Greer an authority to some extent. Unfortunately, I wouldn't say follow him because 127 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:50.879 his information these days has gotten really poor, to be quite honest, I 128 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:56.360 think he's muddled a lot of stuff and now he's not so much as researcher 129 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.399 as a marketer marketing his things and what he's up to himself, and a 130 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:07.039 lot of accuracy has getten lost in the mix. So he's not a very 131 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.480 accurate person, I would say, personally. But yeah, here's my YouTube 132 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:16.240 and so or my Twitter, and we'll kind of be following this. So 133 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:22.240 I highly recommend you follow at least my Open Minds Twitter. In fact, 134 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.720 I want to update you guys on this too. I don't do politics on 135 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.399 this show so much. I do science. So if you consider the fact 136 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.759 that global warming is a thing, or you know, COVID, if you 137 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:41.159 consider those political, that's up to you. But they're science. Science doesn't 138 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:46.480 care about politics. Science cares about truths and facts, and so this is 139 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:50.480 a science show. But I'm going to be doing a lot of my open 140 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.600 mind stuff, including my UFO news, because I post a lot of UFO 141 00:11:54.759 --> 00:12:00.559 news here on my Twitter about what's going on. In fact, here's a 142 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:05.440 picture of San Friedman that San Friedman's nephew posted recently of San Friedman doing a 143 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:11.440 talk in nineteen seventy one. San Friedman and astrophysicists who lectured about this topic 144 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:18.120 for many years. A great friend, he's amazing. He really brought credibility 145 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.519 to the field and carried this field for quite some time, serious research into 146 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.480 it. Very sad that he passed away fairly recently, and you know we're 147 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:30.600 all still reeling from that, I think. But yeah, so this is 148 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.919 the kind of stuff you'll see. Although you're going to see more of this. 149 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:41.720 You're going to see more online of space and space policy. Maybe a 150 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:45.679 little bit of politics, but not so much you know, deep deep, 151 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.639 like you know, trying to be bipartisan, just more about you know, 152 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:54.559 what's going on with space policy and those sort of things, especially with some 153 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.519 of the news that we've gotten today. So you will probably see the percentage 154 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:05.159 of UFO stuff on my Alohandro t Rojas Wane a bit, but I'll do 155 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:11.159 more UFO news tweets on the Open Minds Twitter you can see here where we 156 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.000 have thousands and thousands and thousands of followers. Thank you guys for following. 157 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.679 Just so you're aware. Depending on your interest, you know, you can 158 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.960 follow whichever. If you saw last week I did post my political Twitter because 159 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:30.519 I do have one. I won't even reference it or go there. If 160 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:31.759 you want to know more about that, let me know, and I can 161 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:37.159 let you know, but I don't want to go there here. But yeah, 162 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.519 I would say do follow the Twitter, and I'll be looking at my 163 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.799 Twitter to remind me of what stories that we want to talk about today. 164 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:48.120 So those are kind of some updates as far as the Roe host reports go, 165 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.159 I will have some interviews coming up, hopefully Doug next week we'll be 166 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.720 able to free himself up and do interviews with us today. More recent row 167 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:01.200 host reports I want to do. Are you know Adam Kehoe who I interviewed 168 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:07.639 not too long ago. He's got a couple of excellent, excellent things out 169 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.159 right now and I'm going to show you because I want you to read them, 170 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.720 and if you read them, then when we do our interview, you 171 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:20.919 will be able to be more familiar with his work and what he's talking about. 172 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.919 If you don't read them, that's fine too, because we will summarize 173 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:31.639 what's in his stories. But he's got two great stories recently that are really 174 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.480 really important for the UFO field, I believe, and they are right here 175 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.799 analyzing the nearly lost Hatched database. So if you all are familiar, if 176 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.960 you follow open Minds, very close to the we had David Marler. He's 177 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:54.240 an excellent researcher. He's got one of the biggest databases of research information. 178 00:14:54.039 --> 00:15:00.360 And a couple of years ago he wrote for us at open Minds and piece 179 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:05.679 about Larry Hatch, who is a researcher who unfortunately passed away and was little 180 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.320 known even though he created this incredible database of over eighteen thousand cases. And 181 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:18.159 he's well known to UFO researchers. And that's what Adam is reviewing here. 182 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:24.559 What's in those files? Who's read those files? And like you see here. 183 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.440 When Jacques Vallet described the history of UFO data collection efforts to a French 184 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:35.799 government group, he prominently mentioned a name that is purposely obscure even to UFO 185 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:41.279 ufologists, Larry Hatch. So we go over that someone says, I love 186 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:46.960 David Marler's brain. He does have a great brain. I haven't looked at 187 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:52.879 it physically. I would like to examine it one day, you know. 188 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.120 I think science needs to take it and do that. But yeah, he's 189 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.080 awesome, he's amazing. Of course we've had him on the show. I 190 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.240 talked to him quite a bit because he's just one of my favorites. But 191 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.799 that's a really great article. The other article that's really important, and in 192 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.840 fact we will probably do two separate shows on one on each of these articles 193 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:18.159 is what do the Russians know? What do the Russians know about UFOs? 194 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.639 What have they actually done when it comes to investigating UFOs? And remember what 195 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:29.000 we're looking for our facts. There's a lot of rumors about what the Russians 196 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:33.080 did or about the Russians, what the Russians know, But we're going to 197 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.440 talk about what we can establish with documents and you know, what we can 198 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.559 establish as fact around all of this. And Adamson, I think one of 199 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:47.960 the best jobs I've seen on that in this article here, and we'll talk 200 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.279 about that. Christian bo Thompson says, ask George Napp, Well, we 201 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:56.679 have asked George Napp and in fact, George Knapp plays very heavy into this 202 00:16:56.840 --> 00:17:00.799 article by Adam, and Adam references George App quite a bit because, as 203 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:07.000 you probably know, Christian who mentioned that George Knapp actually went to Russia and 204 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.119 retrieved some documents. However, he wasn't the only one to do that, 205 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.519 and I think you'll be really surprised who else has done it and what they've 206 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.799 gotten. Hint, some of you remember the new show Primetime Popular news magazine. 207 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.359 Yeah, really good stuff there, So we'll be looking at that. 208 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.000 So we've got some great rojast reports coming up. You know, I haven't 209 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.960 asked him yet, but I want to have Micah Thomas or Micah Hanks, 210 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.839 you know I've had. There's a new great website called the Debrief. Let's 211 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:40.160 look at that too. I like bringing these up again, all this great 212 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:49.480 work and letting you guys see it. Debrief This isn't briefs. If you're 213 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:55.119 a guy looking to shop for new briefs, that's not what this is about. 214 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:59.519 This is actually a new website that some of the people I interviewed quite 215 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:07.000 a bit, Jay Benias and Tim McMillan have put together with others including Michah 216 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.200 Hanks is also a primary to put this website together. As you can see 217 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.640 here, they cover science, tech, space, defense, aerospace, lots 218 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.960 of cool stuff, and of course they also cover UFOs. We've talked about 219 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.920 them lately, but I want to get Micah Hanks on the show the third 220 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.960 person. I've already interviewed MJ and Tim recently, but Mike is great also. 221 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.519 Of course I've interviewed Micah quite a bit, but I love the guy. 222 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.559 It's always great to have him back. He's another great mind in this 223 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:37.720 field. So we'll do that. So that's kind of thing you can see 224 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:45.640 coming up in the Rojas reports. Okay, so there's some questions coming in. 225 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:52.759 Let's do this. First of all, mister Ramirez, you're asking do 226 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:59.200 I know about Alfred O'Donnell? I do not. That name does not sound 227 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.839 familiar. If you can enlightened me with some details, maybe that'll jog my 228 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:10.079 memory. But there's a couple of questions here. That is what the guys 229 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:18.160 who, let's see who bailed on TTSA are doing. So, yes, 230 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.079 there's some people who left the TTSA. What do I think will come out 231 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:26.880 of the UAPTF reports? Okay, So these are great questions and some of 232 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.960 the stuff that we want to talk about. So first of all, along 233 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:37.720 these news I had talked about earlier on to follow my Twitter, and here's 234 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.519 exactly why you want to do that, because if you are curious about the 235 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:47.400 UFO news, I posted it here and on my own Mystery Wire. So 236 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:51.519 we talked about George Napp a little bit ago. George Napp is a journalist 237 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.039 out of Las Vegas, KLAS. He's been there for decades. He's won 238 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.640 many, many awards, and he's into UFOs. In fact, he's one 239 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:06.039 of the really most prolific and best UFR researchers out there. I mean, 240 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:14.039 he's a real investigative journalist and he takes that talent and that state of mind 241 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:19.839 to the UFO field. He has also created and his network this thing called 242 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:23.079 the Mystery Wire. I'm not sure if you guys are aware of it. 243 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:29.599 The reason I say that is, look, five thousand followers, that's not 244 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.640 many. The Mystery Wire for some reason hasn't really taken off yet, and 245 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.799 I think it's probably because they haven't really gotten it out there enough for people 246 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:41.279 to know about it. But I would highly recommend it. They cover all 247 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:48.359 kinds of different UFO stuff. Here's a post from Jeremy Corbel. Here's others 248 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.640 talking about the story that I'm just about to talk to that they posted today, 249 00:20:53.319 --> 00:21:00.640 which is this report, and I won't play it here, but I 250 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.400 will show you their website so we can look at this. And this report 251 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.039 is important and it's going to partially answer your question there, my friend, 252 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.000 which is I would highly recommend that everybody watched this video. So there's a 253 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:22.400 video here George Knapp put together about what's going on right now with the UAP 254 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:27.319 Task Force, and it essentially is telling you what I've been telling you all 255 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:33.400 for a little while now, which is that you know, this is where 256 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.920 it comes in. So with all this stuff happening at the Capitol and everything, 257 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:44.880 I did post something that conspiracies can be dangerous and there's a difference between 258 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:51.920 you know, unsubstantiated suspicion versus proof versus fact. We need to look for 259 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:55.319 proof and fact. And this is less of a time where we need to 260 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:03.440 rely on our suspicions and our assumptions in our gut on what might be because 261 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.400 the conversation has been elevated now we have Marco Rubio. We have the Senate 262 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.359 Intelligence Committee looking at this, we have scientists and looking into this. We 263 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:18.720 need to up our game and the time for wild speculation and mythology is over. 264 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.079 You're just spinning your wheels when you're stuck in that. And I bring 265 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:27.200 this up because, first of all, conspiracies can be dangerous, as we 266 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:33.119 saw what happened with the Capital. You don't and what kills me is that 267 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:38.200 a lot of people are demonizing people who have taken on careers that are very 268 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:44.559 selfless, that are very altruistic. A lot of our public servants go into 269 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.319 that role, and law enforcement go into those roles because they believe in protecting 270 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:56.519 people, or educating people, or working for people. When we come up 271 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:00.359 with a lot of these conspiracy theories often and that's what we're doing, is 272 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.960 demonizing these people. Whereas when we look at the facts and when you follow 273 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:10.200 the string, a lot of times things are complicated and people are making the 274 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:15.880 best calls that they can for the right reasons. That's by far what I 275 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:21.480 see the most is people making the best judgment they can make at the time 276 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.400 for the information that they have at the time to do the right thing, 277 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:30.839 not for money. And fame, because that's not a result of what happens 278 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.240 with a lot of these Now there are corrupt people, it does happen, 279 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:38.920 and certainly that is a factor. But like when we take a look at 280 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:48.559 General Raimi and the Roswell New Mexico case, he covered up potentially more than 281 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.480 just the Moca balloon, this this top secret project, but he definitely covered 282 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.680 up what happened there. He liked to the public about what happened there, 283 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.759 presumably to cover up the Moca balloon top secret, or, of course, 284 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.240 as many people believed, to cover up something even more mysterious. But these 285 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.240 are examples of people doing their job and doing the right thing. And you 286 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:14.400 know what I've asked. I knew Jesse Marcel Junior very well, the son 287 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.480 of the first intelligence officer who was on the scene, and he said his 288 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.559 dad had no qualms about following orders. When they told them, we're going 289 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.920 to tell them this weather balloon is what we saw. He said, yes, 290 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.480 sir, And he didn't question, he didn't have regret, he didn't 291 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:36.880 He did what he was supposed to do because he was a good soldier and 292 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:41.640 he knew that the decisions being made at the time were the right decisions being 293 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.559 made. Of course, later on he shared that there was deception there because 294 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.119 he felt as time went on, the public should know about these things. 295 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.039 But you know, it's a lot of times it's people making the best decision 296 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:59.400 they can at the time. And you know what I'm getting around to is 297 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.400 this whole idea disclosure. We're in the middle of disclosure, disclosures happening. 298 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.720 It's this big, grand plan for disclosure. There's absolutely zero evidence of that, 299 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:15.240 zero, my friends, none. I have investigated, among others, 300 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.079 of course, but including George Napp, who we're talking about right here. 301 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:26.000 Of course, we've investigated this to find how all of these things have come 302 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:30.119 about, and I've written stories. One of the stories I wrote more recently 303 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:36.279 that you'll find on the front page of open Minds. On open Minds is 304 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.359 how these intelligence insiders were able to get the Senate to pay attention with UFOs. 305 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:48.440 That shows how they did it. This wasn't slow leak or slow drip. 306 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:53.240 This was people who are insiders who are interested in this topic, who 307 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:59.960 have been fighting for in some cases decades to get information out, having an 308 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:06.799 amount of success, and an amount of success that is substantial because now it's 309 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:11.279 on the record. The military takes UFO seriously, and that is huge because 310 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.960 that has resulted in the Senate taking them seriously and wanting to know more. 311 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:21.880 Behind the scenes, I know this personally, many scientists have come out of 312 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:23.920 the work work and said, what, you know, they really believe this? 313 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.559 Why do they believe this? Let's look into this because I'm interested too. 314 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.400 A lot has gotten into the motion, but it's not this government disclosure 315 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.759 type of stuff that a lot of the UFO community is confused at. And 316 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:42.039 here's the evidence. The evidence is, like I'm saying, the UAP Task 317 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:49.880 Force is not, you know, jump chomping at the bit to release information. 318 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:55.839 We've heard from the DoD that everything they look into is classified. What 319 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:02.359 they're looking into is classified. They have no plans on releasing anything besides what 320 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:07.759 the Senate has required, which is a report about UFOs and UAP. But 321 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:15.440 this article that was just posted yesterday by George Knapp shows that the guy in 322 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:22.839 charge of the UAP Task Force has been changed positions and that the rumors and 323 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.799 what I've been sharing with you is the same that we are not hearing that 324 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:32.279 they really are going to take this seriously. That we're going to get a 325 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:37.799 robust report about that's revealing things that are shocking or different. It's looking like 326 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.119 they're going to cobble something together that will just appease the public, or at 327 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:48.359 least appease the Senate regarding releasing this information. So people have asked everybody sits 328 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.279 back and they're like, oh, yeah, it's disclosure time. Hey, 329 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.319 disclosures happening to everybody, and we can just sit here and tweet and play 330 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.559 on our computer and everything's going to happen for us. No, if you 331 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.880 really want the disclosure you're talking about, if you really want these reports to 332 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:14.240 be more robust, we have to tell the public. We are our politicians, 333 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.039 we care. We have to tell the Senate don't let them get away 334 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.839 with just some piddly junk. We want, you know, some robust UH 335 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.279 research going on here. We have to tell UH the U I P task 336 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.279 for US and the d O D. We have to make our voices hurt. 337 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.599 They've got to understand that there are people in the public that want that 338 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.559 information, and that's not what they understand. What they think now, is 339 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.519 there some UFO goofballs out there who want some more information and they're not, 340 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.799 you know, that excited about appeasing that group. So until there is this 341 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.480 outcry and untill there is a lot of people asking for this, it's not 342 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:55.880 going to happen. They're closing doors, they're they're wrapping it up. Somebody 343 00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.359 asked, so, what are the guys that left TTSA doing. Those two 344 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.039 guys are Lou Alexander or Lou Elizondo, who used to work for the Pentagon 345 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:10.839 doing this UFO investigation under the Program a TIP, which was a precursor to 346 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:15.000 the UAP Task Force, And Chris Mellen, who also worked in intelligence. 347 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:22.440 He worked for the Senate Intelligence Committee and essentially managing black projects and handling overside 348 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:30.759 of black projects. So someone who's definitely in the know what they're doing right 349 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.000 now is they're in the background, and they're out there talking to their contacts. 350 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:40.279 They're talking to the people in the military, they're talking to those politicians, 351 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:45.200 and there are lobbyists essentially out there right now trying to make sure that 352 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:51.440 the UAP Task Force is doing what they need to do, and they're fighting 353 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.400 a losing battle. They're two small voices in a whole world an environment, 354 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.279 and they're not alone there are other people that are on their side that we 355 00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.359 don't even know about, who are in the do O D helping them as 356 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.400 well, trying and say, hey, look, we're interested. We need 357 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:11.160 these to be real investigations, we need real research, we need more resources 358 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.519 to do all of this. But that's what they're doing for people who are 359 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.079 asking, That's what they're up to right now. They are trying to make 360 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:27.079 sure that this investigation is more robust, and all the indications are is that 361 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:33.480 you know, they're being met with resistant and that we might not be too 362 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.119 happy those of us who want more information with the results that are forthcoming. 363 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.759 So there you go. Lou knows the people in the EUA PTF. He 364 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:47.039 certainly does some of them. He knows very well. Have we found out 365 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:53.119 why they left TTSA. The way Lou put it is that he kind of 366 00:30:53.680 --> 00:31:00.279 implied that to the stars. This company started by Tom DeLong the Rocks their 367 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:03.480 former Blink one eighty two, which Chris and Lou went to go work with 368 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:10.839 try to get more UFO information out. It's definitely served as a vehicle to 369 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:15.400 get more attention to the topic, which helped them in the steps that they've 370 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.599 met made in the last few years. But I would say that it seems 371 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:26.319 as though that to the Stars is really going. It's heavily focused on entertainment, 372 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:32.319 and that that's what their focus is going to be. And before we 373 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.519 judge, you know, it's very expensive. It's one of the problems we 374 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.440 ran into with Open Minds. Open Minds used to have a staff, We 375 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.119 used to have more going on. Now it's just a kind of a hobby 376 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.240 of mine. I've inherited some of this stuff and I do what I can, 377 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.759 but it costs money to do all of this stuff, and there's not 378 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:55.319 much money in this field. Contrary to what some people have said, there 379 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.160 are some people out there like Stephen Greer, who I mentioned earlier, who's 380 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:04.519 charging thousands and thousands of dollars to take people out to look at planes and 381 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.200 pretend they're UFOs. I'm sorry that happens, you know. And there are 382 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:14.640 others that are other Charlatans who are out there fleecing people for lots of money. 383 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.440 And I would warn people. You know, people complain about me asking 384 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.359 for a couple bucks a month to see some of my Rojas Report archives. 385 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.039 These people are charging thousands of dollars if people are charging hundreds or thousands of 386 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:31.079 dollars for anything going on. That is especially, as I would say, 387 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.759 you know, be wary because that those are the type of people who are 388 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.279 making a living. They've got to come up with more and exciting news to 389 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:45.839 keep you spending your money, right, so I would be cautious of those 390 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:52.960 type of things. And so my point being that you have to make money. 391 00:32:53.759 --> 00:33:00.440 And right now with to the Stars, their entertainment projects are really getting 392 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.880 off the ground. Movies and TV shows that Tom has worked on developing. 393 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:07.519 Those are going to bring in money for to the Stars. We'll see what 394 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:13.279 Tom does that. And you know, but Lou, and the reason I 395 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.240 say this is Lou did say Chris and Steve, Steve Justice, the aerospace 396 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.079 guy that was also part of the team. He said, Chris and Steve 397 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:25.200 and I are not entertainers. Intelligence isn't our thing. That's why we're leaving. 398 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.599 So now they've left, I know behind the scenes, they're you know, 399 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.039 they're not professionally, they're not getting paid for this. But now they're 400 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.880 lobbying for us, and which is a great thing. So definitely keep an 401 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:44.680 eye Lou. Alex Alessandro now has a public Twitter, so does Chris Mellen. 402 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:46.559 I would say, keep a very close eye on it, keep a 403 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:51.680 close eye on mine, and I'll definitely, of course share with you any 404 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.839 developments that come across on their end as they come. But that's what they're 405 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.119 up to, and that's what's going on with the UAP task for us. 406 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.000 Like I've told people who keep saying, oh, disclosures around the corner, 407 00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.119 here's the proof. They've been saying that ever since the New York Time Mars 408 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:13.159 article, and we have seen more and more. But typically the UFO community 409 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:19.360 has been very unimpressed with what's come out. Whereas the people I converse with 410 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.880 more and like more. I shouldn't say that I like to work with more. 411 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:29.679 I should say, are the scientists, the credible mainstream journalists that sort 412 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:35.639 of thing. They're amazed. I mean, they're thinking, Wow, there's 413 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.280 more information than I could have ever imagined coming out right now, and as 414 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.519 we know, there will be more and their minds will continue to get blown. 415 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.239 But you know, we've got people coming from two totally different perspectives, 416 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:52.400 and the people from the perspective of there's nothing to this are getting blown away 417 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.840 to find all this credible stuff that is out there too bad. They weren't 418 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.320 listening to us before. Whereas the people are like, hey, you know, 419 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.760 why aren't they telling us about Zeta reticulans are disappointed because as far as 420 00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.000 I know and what I've seen, there's no evidence for Zeta reticulans or any 421 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:14.800 of that. So that's why they're not going to get into some of that 422 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.519 stuff. So yeah, some of you, a lot of you get it. 423 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.719 You know you're saying there in the chat that you know you have all 424 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.440 these people saying all this stuff. But Brian has said, I saw the 425 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.079 UFO Witness three episodes, good show, many questions. Great. So I'll 426 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:36.360 be interviewing Ben for danniv Geek next week and I'll have them on the Rojas 427 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.480 Reports also at some point here too, to talk about a show. I've 428 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:45.360 got five episodes. I haven't watched any but that's that's my goal for this 429 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:51.039 weekend to watch Ben's show, all of the five episodes, and also finish 430 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.840 my book on Abby Lobe. So let's talk about this. This is some 431 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.480 of the other news that's been out there. Is everybody talking about this, 432 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:04.840 Harvard's scientists coming out with this book because he believes this object that came in 433 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:10.880 and left, you know, called omuamua was extraterrestrial. And this is really 434 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:19.199 really interesting because somebody asked, what's the biggest news on the UAP frontline, 435 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.760 I would say this is the biggest news right now that we have this legitimate, 436 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:30.639 highly respected scientist who believes that we had a visitor, an object cruised 437 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:37.599 through close to the Sun, cruise through our solar system from somewhere else outside 438 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.960 of our solar system for the first time ever that we've recorded it, and 439 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:50.639 he believes it to be some creation manufactured by an extraterrestrial civilization. I'm reading 440 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:55.679 the book now. He's very convinced, and I have a great lecture on 441 00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:04.320 how and why scientists believe Oma muamoa are is mysterious. In fact, Stacy 442 00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.039 Wright, who was on in the chat, thank you Stace, she runs 443 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:14.840 Phoenix moof on the Arizona moufon chapter and she invited a local astronomer to talk 444 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:19.239 about this, and then she allowed me to post that right here. If 445 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.119 you're watching on YouTube, I've got that posted right here on YouTube, so 446 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.840 check it out. It's free. It's down there. You'll see it's about 447 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:34.320 omuamua and this scientist talking about it, because what's weird about this thing is 448 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.559 that, first of all, it's very small, relatively small, they think 449 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:45.559 maybe about one hundred yards wide or long by maybe ten yards wide. Very 450 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:52.840 odd shape. Typically you know, asteroids and comets are round or somewhat round 451 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:58.880 and weird shaped, but mostly round dish but not cigar shaped, which is 452 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.159 kind of strange. They don't know that it's cigar shaped or dish shaped. 453 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:08.960 In fact, avvy Lobe is arguing that it could be more flattened dish shaped 454 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:16.840 than we know. But as this thing was leaving and accelerating away, it 455 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:22.480 had a very slight deviation in its path, and that is unusual, that 456 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:29.119 should not happen. It's almost like if you threw a football through the air, 457 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.639 the football is going to move in a straight line unless some force acts 458 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.840 upon it. That could be the wind or you know, when you're with 459 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.480 your buddies and you're screwing around. This is something guys do a lot of 460 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.119 time. You know, you throw a ball at that ball that someone's going 461 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.519 to catch it can knock it out of the way because you're being here, 462 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.320 which you know, young guys would like to be here and screw with each 463 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:58.920 other, or but it's going to move straight if you've got to. If 464 00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.920 you've got there's no win. And your buddy throws you a football and it's 465 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.519 coming at you, and all of a sudden, for no reason, it 466 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.440 goes like this, What the heck? You're going to wonder? What did 467 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.400 that? Is my buddy telepathic? What's going on here? I mean, 468 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.400 now that's pk. It's that telekinesis. Someone can tell me is he moving 469 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:23.599 it with his mind? What's going on here? So you know that's what 470 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:29.480 they witness, and they don't know why it deviated from its course. Some 471 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:35.880 people said it was struck. Another was that perhaps it uh spewed some gases. 472 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.639 So, for example, a comet is full of ice and comments when 473 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.719 they get close to the sun, you know that ice will melt and start 474 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.679 to evaporate. And if there's pockets on this comment, you know that that 475 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.039 steam streaming out of the comment will push it to go sh and it'll start 476 00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:58.360 to tumble or turn, but in a very uh you know, uncontrolled, 477 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.360 herky jerky way. I think he even uses that term. This thing didn't 478 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:07.159 do that. This thing moved and as it moved from the Sun. Its 479 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.639 change, of course was uh, seemed to be influenced by the Sun. 480 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.320 But how or why they don't know. But because of that major mystery what 481 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.880 caused it to move, it seemed to move on its own. Really, 482 00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:23.159 that's kind of the root. There's also other mysterious things. They don't know 483 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:28.760 what material it could have been made out of. It is actually super reflective, 484 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.079 extremely reflective. And here's the other thing. Uh. Some of you 485 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:37.320 may remember who are open minds follower that this this Uri Milner, a rich 486 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:44.480 Russian guy, created this program called Breakthrough, and his idea was to send 487 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:50.760 messages to aliens to do more SETI work, search for extraterrestrial intelligence and listening 488 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:57.639 for aliens in different ways. He's really into extraterrestrial intelligence and finding it, 489 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:02.119 just like SETI is. Uh. But he also wanted to build spacecraft that 490 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.320 we could send to Alpha Centauri, the nearest next solar system, and send 491 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:12.719 messages and pictures back. But he wanted to happen in his lifetime, so 492 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.880 he tasked Avi Lobe to come up with a system. AVI did come up 493 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.599 with an idea, and this idea is a solar solar sale. In fact, 494 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:28.000 I think in Star Trek that was the first craft that we sent out 495 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:32.920 that caused the Vulcans to come in first contact, to come and say hey, 496 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:38.280 humans, now that you're interstellar, we can come say hi. But 497 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:45.239 what this is essentially is something like this my sticking out here with a It's 498 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:51.800 just a very thin, even similar in shape piece of material that the sun 499 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.920 can hit and it will push it along, or we shoot a laser at 500 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.360 it and a laser pushes it along. And then the very middle they have 501 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:07.159 a tiny little because it has to be extremely light in order for the light 502 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.800 to push this to get to one fifths the speed of light is what they're 503 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:15.280 attempting. But right in the very middle they have a tiny little microchip and 504 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:22.159 on that microchip is you know, an ability to take photos and gather information 505 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.039 and send that information back to us. So that's what they want to do, 506 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.719 and that's what they're working on. That's called breakthrough starshot. So Avi 507 00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:35.599 Lobe already had worked on and done a lot of study of the solar sale 508 00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:39.320 concept and that's why he believes this thing, although it was tumbling, this 509 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:45.639 thing that came through Omuamua was something like that and it moved of its own 510 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:50.760 volition when it changed course. Now he does think and this is really interesting 511 00:42:50.760 --> 00:43:00.519 too. So recently for I can't remember what show, sorry, I think 512 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.920 it was a History Channel show, an Unsolved show. It's the one with 513 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.119 Morgan Freeman. They're doing some shows on Roswell and so I interviewed and I've 514 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:15.400 talked to her many times, Jesse Missel's granddaughter, Denise Marcel. We were 515 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.639 talking about that earlier. It was her grandfather was the first one on site 516 00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:23.320 in Roswell. I brought up how her father never said anything about alien bodies. 517 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:30.800 This idea of alien bodies didn't come out until Roswell was famous in the 518 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:36.199 late eighties. It started really picking up. Stephen Roswell was around the world 519 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.039 starting to become extremely popular. Then people come out of the word word claiming 520 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:45.159 there were aliens involved with the whole thing. I've got an article on den 521 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.880 of Geek where I talked about how Roswell got its alien you know, reputation, 522 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.199 and I told Denie, you know, your dad never said anything about 523 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:59.559 aliens, and she said, that's right. My dad never ever said anything 524 00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:04.159 about as he knew nothing about aliens. And in fact, Her belief is 525 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:08.559 that perhaps what if Roswell was space junk, alien space junk, just like 526 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:14.119 we've got our voyager probes that have gone way out there. You know, 527 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.199 at some point they may run across, you know, thousands and thousands of 528 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.400 years from now, they may run across the planet and crash on a planet, 529 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.599 and maybe that's what the Roswell craft is. She thinks, well, 530 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.800 that's exactly what Avi Lobe thinks a muamua might have been. It could be 531 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.480 space junk, it could be alien space junk that has come from there and 532 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.760 you know, went through our Solar system. Another interesting thing I find is 533 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:45.800 that a muamua was the first object we've ever recorded that came from outside of 534 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:47.760 our Solar system. Because for the most part, you know, you've got 535 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.480 the Sun here. Sun has a lot of gravity, and everything we see 536 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:59.039 is all this mass that is around the Sun floating around it. Even the 537 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:04.480 things the comets and steph asteroids, they may go way out, but they'll 538 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.639 come back around and then get flung out again and they keep coming, so 539 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:15.239 we rarely see them because they're in this weird orbits around the Sun. So 540 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.599 it's very rare, rare because in the vastness of space. You know, 541 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:27.599 it's I think four light years away is the closest next solar system, so 542 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:32.480 there's just nothing in between. So it's it's incredibly coincidental too that this thing, 543 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:37.679 this small, tiny thing, comes straight at our Sun, whips around 544 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.039 it, and then leaves the Solar System. But as rare as that is, 545 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.320 it was only a few weeks after that event that another object came through 546 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:52.159 our Solar system, however, another interstellar the second interstellar object we've ever recorded. 547 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:57.679 But that one was more common and asteroid like. It was not as 548 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:02.920 mysterious as Muamua amumu as a mystery. So to have a scientist out there 549 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.880 saying we got more alien or this is definitely evidence of aliens, I think 550 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:13.679 it's pretty incredible. First witness Rodriguo is reminding me, Thank you, Rodrigo. 551 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.880 That is the show that I had, the Rosewell episodes. Laurence Fishburne 552 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.480 is the guy who is the host of that one. Morgan Freeman's a host 553 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.880 of a different show. I think that one's on National Geographic, which is 554 00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:34.679 also a great show. So yeah, so a lot of interesting things there. 555 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.519 Let's see, I'm going to try to answer some more of your questions 556 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:46.000 that I haven't gone to bu bu boo boo booooo. But I gotta say, 557 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.880 and this is one thing I gotta say, is my even though the 558 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.599 UAP Task Force, this is why having a more realistic idea about what's going 559 00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.679 on is helpful. I never put my hopes on, you know, any 560 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:07.159 major crazy disclosure. As you all know, what's been happening is along the 561 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.679 lines of what I've been saying is probably going to happen because it makes the 562 00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.960 most sense from what I know and from what I'm hearing from my friends on 563 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.880 the inside, and so that is coming about the way it is. I'm 564 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.760 not as disappointed. I'm concerned. I would, of course like a more 565 00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:35.119 robust investigation inside the military, but that investigation is his top secret. It's 566 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.320 classified. I won't get that information. But you know, I'm working with 567 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:50.320 friends, especially at the Scientific Coalition or the Coalition Scientific Coalition for u IP 568 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:54.119 Research a s CEU. I'm working with them every day right now. I've 569 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.119 been doing a lot of that lately too. But you know what, we're 570 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.079 working on some exciting stuff too, So we're not letting what has happened go 571 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:08.679 to waste. We are capitalizing on the fact that scientists are coming out of 572 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:13.079 the word work and interested in this, and what we're trying to do is 573 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.639 coalesce those scientists, get those people together, give them a place, credible 574 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:22.719 place where they can talk amongst each other, and then also come up with 575 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:29.320 projects where we can look at and examine some of this information to figure out 576 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.920 how do we get more data, how do we do more science around this 577 00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.159 to move forward, And certainly part of that will be advocating for the release 578 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.079 of more data, because as I've outlined it, I think there's three areas 579 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:46.239 where we get data from academia, from the government, or from citizens science 580 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:51.760 from doing our own stuff. We've got projects on all three fronts, and 581 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:58.840 that we're engaging government, we're engaging academia, hopefully we'll get data or projects 582 00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:02.559 started there at least at first we can engage, and then third wee we've 583 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.239 got our own projects where we're gathering data also, and some of the data 584 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.840 that we work with is government, because you do have things like Project blue 585 00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:19.079 Book that did have some data. All right, I don't see any other 586 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:27.119 questions right now, so I think we will start to wrap it up count 587 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.880 Dooku in Star Wars used as solar sale. Oh yeah, good point. 588 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:37.480 My cousin Jason Cordova, he is awesome, one of my favorite people on 589 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:44.239 the planet. My good cousin, my good buddy, Jason Cordova. Also 590 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:51.400 you know, has had this crypto crypto science. Tell me, I forget, 591 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:52.920 tell me what the website is too. He's got this group where they 592 00:49:52.920 --> 00:50:00.559 look into paranormal stuff in Colorado. Professor Loeb was very very supportive of data 593 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:07.079 collection on UFOs and Lex Friedman's show. Rodrigo says, that's good to know. 594 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:12.519 Will the UAP Task Force be the new Project blue Book? No in 595 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.639 that, and it's a great question. And I think the differences between Project 596 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:21.239 blue Book and the UAP Task Force are very important. Project blue Book was 597 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:27.039 a public facing organization, so Project blue Book was. There were a lot 598 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:31.679 happening in the fifties, and I highly highly maybe one of the, if 599 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:37.960 not the most important book in this field is written by Colonel Rupelt, which 600 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:44.159 is his report on UFOs. Essentially he started Project blue Book. Project blue 601 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:49.280 Book, however, was the third project didn't start till the fifties mid fifties. 602 00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:52.400 Whereat there had been projects going on since the late forties. But he 603 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:59.559 reviews those other projects how they started, his experience in Project blue Book and 604 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:04.280 what they had discovered and the ins and out which are fascinating. But Project 605 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:10.280 blue Book was public facing. It was created for the public because of a 606 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:16.599 lot of UFO sidings, very credible UFO sidings that the public was very excited 607 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:23.559 about and essentially insisting that the Air Force do something about it. So Project 608 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:29.360 blue Book was a pr thing. It was very they were taking cases, 609 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.280 they were trying their best to investigate them in some cases, but it wasn't 610 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.440 anything the military really cared about or took that seriously. It was very public, 611 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.559 it was very surface, and when Project blue Book ended, we have 612 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:50.880 these memos that said, hey, don't no big deal. We have projects 613 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:53.440 where the most important things go to anyway, they go somewhere else outside of 614 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:57.599 Project blue Book, So it doesn't matter if we don't have Project blue Book. 615 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:02.079 The UAP Task Force is more like that group, that secret group we 616 00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.119 didn't hear about. The reason it's been created is because lou Elizondo and Chris 617 00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:13.760 Mellen came out. They outed that the Pentagon was looking into this sort of 618 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:22.199 thing, and so that created this, you know, these questions and this 619 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.119 push, especially with the Navy coming out and saying they take it seriously, 620 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.960 and the Senate saying, hey, well, if you're taking this seriously, 621 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.280 what are you doing. And Chris Mellan, you may know he in nine 622 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:39.480 to eleven he was involved with having all the intelligence agencies start to work together 623 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:44.920 more and have one kind of oversight of the information so they would know what 624 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.360 the terrorists were doing instead of all this stuff being stovepipes and all these intelligence 625 00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.599 agencies having information but not sharing it. And then on nine to eleven happens 626 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.719 because they weren't talking to each other. He tried to create a group, 627 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:02.440 the UAP Task Force, or force the military into doing this or and they 628 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:08.280 did to collect that information, but they are secret. They're remaining top secret, 629 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:15.159 their secret that everything they're doing is classified. And so this is classified 630 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.960 and not public facing. And that's the big difference. They have no desire 631 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.840 to share with the public what they're doing, and it's upon us to change 632 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:29.559 that. And I can tell you SCU and myself and others will be coming 633 00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.639 at them a lot to say, look, you've got to share with the 634 00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:38.480 public. There's got to be some sort of public interface here on this topic, 635 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:42.480 and so that's what we'll have to do. So I'm gonna wrap this 636 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.519 up. I've got to go, but thank you all so much for watching. 637 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:50.039 Be sure to pay attention. I'll have more shows on next week. 638 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.199 Like I said, I've got these interviews coming up. Go check out my 639 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.920 interview with Tony Harris. Please, it's really great. You can see it 640 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.320 on my Twitter or or I did share it on Facebook. If not, 641 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:08.800 I'll do that, but I'll also put my link here. But thank you 642 00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:15.719 all. Oh what do I think about the dog movie, the phenomenon and 643 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.639 read statement. I don't know what you're you mean about the read statement. 644 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:24.320 There hasn't really been Oh, I wrote stories. I mean that's in my 645 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:30.039 article Christian. Sorry, we have already talked about that in previous episodes. 646 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:35.599 I'd watch those, but also go to Open Minds at TV and read my 647 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:40.519 article about the the intelligence guys getting the Senate to take a attention because I 648 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:45.320 do read. Also talk about those statements read statements and others. They are 649 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:50.519 interesting. We can talk about that more next episode two, especially if some 650 00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.239 news comes out related to it. But thank you all so much for listening 651 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:58.440 better. Sure to check everything out. Check out Open mindsat TV, check 652 00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:05.760 me out on Patreon on do join the If you're on YouTube, join below 653 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.480 to get all of the archives in interviews, including interviews with Louelizondo and Chris 654 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:14.280 Mellen. And you guys are awesome. It's great to be back. I 655 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.679 hope you guys had a wonderful holidays, and I hope you have a wonderful 656 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.639 week. And we'll talk to you soon. Until then, Audio's mood, 657 00:55:22.960 --> 00:56:09.280 Chatcho's you were motions,