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Hard part when you're talking about gold
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is we're at all time highs.
You know when when you've been at a

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high and then you pull back and
then you rally again. You can look

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at it go okay, there's you
can look at the charge where there should

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be resistance here and there should be
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now more than ever. Welcome you
are watching and listening to the Financial Survival

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Network. I'm your host, Carrie
Lutz. Hey, we're exactly in mid

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May here. Interesting things are going
on with a dollar, copper, oil,

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gold, and silver, not the
least of which our good friend from

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TF Metals Report dot com, Craighempke
is with us now to go through these

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markets. Greg, Great to see
you. So what is going on with

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these markets here? A lot?
How's that? That's just okay, you'd

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be more vague. You know,
it's been a remarkable year so far,

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especially you know with my focus of
the precious metals, we hear the metals

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have broken out for a number of
different reasons. Obviously, everybody wants to

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narrow it down to one, and
I think that's impossible. There's there's probably

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five or six. But they've broken
out before the FED started to cut.

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You know, we we have fought
our way through. I mean, used

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to go back to the first of
the year. Carry market market was anticipating

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seven rate cuts. All right,
where are dollary decks? Was a hurt?

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Good? Yeah, well that just
it. So if you know,

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we go back and I'm sure we
were probably and when I put out my

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annual forecast back in January, I
bet that we probably spoke back then and

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we talked about how, you know, that's got to come down. There's

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no way they're cutting rates seven times. That's just not going to happen.

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And so we have fought our way
through, going from seven rate cuts down

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to like one maybe two dollar inext
going from one hundred and one to one

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hundred and six, and that's back
under one oh five yeld of the ten

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year notes got up by fifty basis
points, and yet gold's up some fifteen

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percent year today. Now maybe I
don't know, Maybe it's just gotten way

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out ahead of itself. I don't
know, but I think there's a combination

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of factors going on here that have
driven this. And now you throw on

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this notion that the economy's rolling over, we're getting into that stagflation you and

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I have been talking about for four
years. We could get another surge higher

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in the precious metals, relatively similing
in that I think would be fun for

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everyone. If five hundred, Yeah, if you look at the charge,

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see, that's what's always hard carry, you know, because then you know,

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I like to look at the charts. I'm not like sure Is Elliott

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wave guys and all this other jazz. But I do think you combine that

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with fundamental stuff and it kind of
gives you a picture, you know,

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which way the market is heading.
Hard part when you're talking about gold or

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even the stock market at this point
is we're at all time highs. You

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know, when when you've been at
a high and then you pull back and

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then you rally again. You can
look at it go okay, there's you

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can look at the charge where there
should be resistance here and there should be

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support there, and that kind of
thing, because we have history but goals,

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and it's never been before. Yeah, you're off you know, beyond

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which there be dragons. Right,
You're off the map, and so that

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makes it difficult. But I do
think there's ways you've been kind of project

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it forward and just just kind of
natural sentiment of things, and so yeah,

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you know, I uh, there
will probably be an inclination here from

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where we are here on the fifteenth
of May, there'd be an inclination or

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an effort made to paint some double
tops, so people should be on the

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lookout for that. You go back
to the middle of April, five weeks

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ago or so, Gold got up
to about twenty four to twenty Silver got

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within a whisker of thirty airs breath. Yeah, yeah, and then you

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know pulled back you know, some
natural resistance there, especially in silver,

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and now here we are getting back
those levels. I would anticipate an effort

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made to paint the charts with a
double top sometime in the next week or

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two, just as a line of
defense for all of these banks that have

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all of these shorts. I mean
again, when you're in an all time

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high, every short is underwater.
Every short ever created is underwater. So

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that has to be managed. So
I would anticipate that. But you know,

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Powell Terry, when back at the
March FMC interviews that he did after

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that and then again at the May
FMC said he is watching the labor market

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real closely. He knew the thing
they hike too late and inflation got away

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from him. He doesn't want to
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economy tank and so he has said, and I'm not I got paraphrasing,

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but I'm anybody canna look this up. He has said repeatedly that if he

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sets his weakness in the labor market, they will cut. They'll put inflation

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on the back burner and they'll cut. Well, we're starting to see that

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that the latest jobs report was weak. Some of the internal stuff over the

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last couple of weeks has been a
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the summertime and all of a sudden
the Fed does cut or start out actively

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talking about cutting, any double top
painting by the banks isn't going to hold.

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And that's what we'll look for.
You that'll be the signal. Hey,

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So yeah, I don't see where
they have any choice. They're going

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to have to cut and we talked
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it off to the last possible moment. On the other hand, the FED,

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Powell said Chairman Powell absolutely despises the
challenger to the throne and has come

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out, maybe not on the record, but through leaks as supporting the current

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occupant of the White House. So
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wrote in Barons he was a longstanding
editor Barons. He said, the FED

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is now doing what it does best, helping to get a president re elected.

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Yeah, when are they going to
fall into that mode? Right?

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Because they are a political institution,
even though they pretend not to be.

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But everything is political nowadays, no
doubt. And that was and I mentioned

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that forecast for this year. I
had to write about that because that's to

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be expected, right. I mean, even if you think Powell is at

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the top, is try so hard
to be a political and he wears a

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purple necktie every time you see him
in public, right, Yeah, just

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like mother Yellinois wears that purple pants
suit. You know, they're trying to

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give this subliminal message that they're a
combination of red and blue. It's not

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my mother. So there will be
pressure as we go through the summer.

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It will start. It's already started
with Folcahattas and Bernie Sanders at AOC,

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you know, all talking about,
oh, the people need a break,

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you know, credit card rates you're
so high, you know, and all

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this kind of stuff. The pressure
will mount. We've seen now, you

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know, this uptick back up in
the unemployment rate. You know, the

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job's number, the headline number they
always tout, whatever, but the unemployment

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right is what Powell says he's going
to be watching. It ticked down,

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it ticked back up, it starts
trending above four four, four point one,

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four point two. It'll come and
then we'll see how the markets bond

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to that. They might initially go
blonkers. You know, you might get

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the S and P to surge another
eight ten percent or something, and that

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might be enough to surge gold up
to twenty five twenty six hundred, and

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silver through thirty to thirty five.
Then about that time, that might be

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the time that when everybody's all excited, that we start getting you know,

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we get a pullback again, but
I sure think that. I mean,

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Paul has told you that hillcut rates
if there's any sign of weakness in labor

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mark, and we're certainly starting to
see that weakness where I see in layoffs

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galore. I think it's been long, but the numbers are all cooked.

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I mean, you just can't believe
any numbers. But right, big news.

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Copper on the CRIMEX broke five bucks. Hey, it's trading it close

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to that in the London Metals Exchange. What is your take on it?

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It's different than mine. Well,
I apologize if that little noise came through

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somebody trying to call me on Skype, So I don't know a fat don't

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you love it and hear it?
We're good good anyway, if I look

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distracted for a minute. Copper is
a very interesting story. We relate this

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all evently back to silver, right, because silver's banging up against this thirty

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dollars level which has contained it now
for almost four years. Okay, gold

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broke out of its range back in
March and immediately shot more than ten percent

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higher, right, and it's still
up here. Did that break silver out?

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No? Okay, Well, maybe
if gold goes higher it will well

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what else could break drag silver kicking
and screaming a move in copper, because

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copper and silver at this point are
basically I mean, silver is more like

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copper than it is gold at this
moment in history. Yeah, he was

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a conductor of electricity and everything else
still has monetary components that may return at

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some point. You got people invest
in silver. They don't invest in copper,

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but you get the idea. Okay, I refer back. I mentioned

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this this forecast I every year.
In January of twenty twenty three, in

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my forecast, I had a whole
section on copper because as twenty twenty three

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began, there were all sorts of
analysts and investment banks, even golden Sachs

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that were saying above ground copper stock
piles could be extinct by August, not

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August this year, August last year. Wow, and copper was going right,

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and then it isn't never die.
They found some I guess what warehouse

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was it? The lurking in exactly? Well, now hold on, let's

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fast forward about an extra eight months. Maybe they were all early. Maybe

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they were all early, because now
copper is going through the roof. We're

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seeing all kinds of sides that kind
of I found something on Twitter about some

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what I kind of now the name
has cased me, but some rates that

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smelters pay for copper con to trade
being negative, meaning they're paying for it

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trying to secure supply. All these
different signs that copper is suddenly in a

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serious supply shortage. So maybe you
know, some of these banks that were

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looking for above ground copper to really
be in trouble and supply shortages by late

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last year, maybe that's now all
coming to fruition. The price people should

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watch, though, is not the
COMEX copper price. That's what gets quoted

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all the time. As we record
this earlier today that went to five thirteen

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a pound and then immediately fell back, like to for eighty five a pound.

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I mean that's a huge move,
went up seven percent and then fell

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five percent. That's all speculus stuff. There's no copper that gets delivered in

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New York, just like there's no
gold or silver apermarket. Right. If

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you want to watch the copper price, watch the LME price of London Metals

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Exchange. That's more of your international
benchmark. It's an actual functioning market to

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actually deliver metal there. That's the
one that right now, it's about two

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hundred dollars a ton. You could
do that math and go, okay,

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well there's two thousand pounds and a
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What the comax price is going to
continue to do this kind of stuff?

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Right in terms of copper, they'll
watch that that that tonnage price,

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it got up to ten thousand dollars, kind of ran into psychological resistance,

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banged around. It's now really established
a foothold above ten thousand. A lot

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of the big investment banks have moved
up their price target and now twelve thousand

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dollars a ton. Okay, Well, if that's the case, then you

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could expect that comax copper price to
go to five seventy five eighty six dollars

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all time highs. And now getting
back finally to where I started this carry.

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Yeah, if gold goes higher because
of what's Powell's doing all this kind

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of stuff and goes to say twenty
five hundred, and if copper goes to

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six dollars a pound, Silver's not
gonna stay at twenty eight twenty nine,

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Okay, It's just not. And
so when it finally gets drag kicking and

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screaming through that resistance level at thirty
it's a really high likelihood it will go

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to thirty four, thirty five in
relatively short order. That's gonna have big

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impacts on the mining shares. And
that's all something people show. So watch

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copper closely in the day's head.
So so your feeling is that when this

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thing breaks out, okay, and
it will, that it's going to finally

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take the junior miners with it temporarily
at least, yes, you know,

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and I and I say that temporarily
just because of the natural ebb and flow.

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Right, you and I have discussed
the past the clear correlation between not

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gold and the gold miners or the
ets. But right, yeah, you

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get silver to run to thirty five
or thirty six, the miner's gonna go

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with it. My guess is we
will add then, is let's say that

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plays out of the course of summer, Powell starts cutting rains and get this

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surge. You know, we get
into June July and this happens again.

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There have been a lot of peaks
in the precious metals short term at least

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that have occurred in the summer months. Okay, this could be another one.

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It wouldn't surprise me, based on
how these things have gone over the

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decade plus that I've been watching,
if it didn't happen again, you know,

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you get this another big rush forward, and and that now this one

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finally Silver's into the thirties. Everybody's
excited. Here we go, and there's

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gonna be people all over Twitter talking
about silver gonna do. And it will.

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But my plan will be when that
happens to maybe be a little little

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cautious at that point, because you
know how it is. When everybody in

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this sector gets all excited, that
usually is some kind of top yeah,

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and the sheet and they know how
to time it exactly, you know,

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to bring that price down right,
Yeah, and then everybody gets depressed,

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you know, and think, oh
okay. And then again all that's because

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of the fundamentals, because of the
exploding debt. You know, thirty whatever's

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thirty five trillion down right, two
trillion dollars a year at extra debt,

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the interest on the national debt now
a trillion dollars a year, exceeding even

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defense spending. All that, all
of that stuff, yeah, in the

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end is what then makes it go
even higher again. But there will probably

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be a point, if I'm right
about another surge board in the next sixty

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days, when we'll probably get another
pullback. The tree grow to the sky,

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right, right, not in this
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And you know, it's it's important
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this, we've got a very weak
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limited just to the community and smaller
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I think that if you would just
what Powell said that when employment starts to

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get affected, if you just say, when mass bank failures are thretned,

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substitute that, then he's going to
cut. He has to cut for that

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reason alone. Right. So you
got employment and you've got a shaky bank

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sector. Yes, and that's a
bad combination, especially in an election year,

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right, right. And the only
way you can pay off or manage

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the debt is with the cheaper dollars
to tomorrow. You paid today's and yesterday's

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debt with the cheaper dollars of tomorrow. And eventually, again this is not

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next week, okay or next month, but eventually they're going to go down

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the path of yelkurve control. Yeah, because they have to. Now.

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When gold took off again, we
started this by like, wow, it

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took off before the FED even started
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It was Friday, the first of
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rose at all time and weekly high
and daily high like twenty eighty nine something

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like that, and then it broke
out one hundred dollars higher the next week.

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What out On the first of March, Fed goon Waller gave us speed

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each and he said, we want
to do a couple of things going forwar,

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at least what I want to do, he said, I want to

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roll us out of some of the
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Yeah, I'm sure, uninvert deal
curve. But then that will also

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give us room for the next round
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And everybody went, wait a second, the next round of QE what so

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what I limited it stopped? When
did QE stop? Well, no,

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exactly, And so what's going to
eventually come? I mean, this is

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a kid. It has to otherwise
the whole thing will do this, the

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banking sector, everything is They're going
to be printing money to fund all the

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ongoing deficits, then they're going to
do yield curve control to cap. The

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Fed will just say we are we
are buyers above a certain level. We

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will always be buyers above three percent
or whatever they decide. It's going to

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be, just like the Bank of
Japan has been. And when you get

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to that point, now, all
of a sudden you don't have sharply negative

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real rates again because of inflation everything
else. And that's when you know that's

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it. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, hey, monetization

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of the debt. That's all that
Quey is is just monetizing the debt.

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Right, But it's a fine line
because when you do it too fast,

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then you undermine confidence and you jack
up inflation. Like, hey, why

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are the headlines in the papers yesterday? PPI experts surprised that PPI came out

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higher than expected? Right? Who
could be surprised by that? I'm only

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surprised it wasn't higher. Yeah,
it's a number, and that's a cook

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number anyway, right, right,
like every every other bit of government data

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election year, Garry, Yeah,
exactly what until this last report a week

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ago, what every single headline job
number had beaten expectations for thirteen out of

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fourteen months or whatever one was right. Yeah, yeah, I don't think

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you can believe any of that.
Can you go back? And it's not

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just election here, how many times
they have to manage whatever the basket of

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goods are in CPI anyway to create
nice adjustments with stuff and it get it

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all, It all pieces together in
the management of the debt because if you

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can convince the market that inflation is
only two percent, then you will buy

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treasury bonds at three percent or four
percent or whatever because you're getting a positive,

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real way to return. But if
they were to actually report right what

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inflation really is, no one's gonna
buy a treasury at three or four percent

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except the FED. And that's for
that's where we're headed. And that's that's

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the name of the game. Hey, it's just the whole world is collapsing

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at once here. You know,
it's every plate, it's everywhere, and

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this really exempt. So you know, when we go back to a gold

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standard, always said it will be
because it's the only option right right,

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right, And historically that's how the
pedge will swings. You know, you

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begin your your currency begins backed by
goals that people have confidence to use it

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right, great for goods and services, and you hold it because there's got

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some value that anchor cycle, right, And then the politicians get a hold

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of it and they want their power, so then they want a more currency

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for their wars and their social programs
and everything else. Eventually you go off

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the golds Diader like Nixon did,
and then you swing all the way over

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here to where the base things basically
worthless, and then nobody wants it.

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And then all of a sudden you
got to get some confidence again, and

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so it swings back over here and
you back it again. And that's that's

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the direction we're headed. Hey,
And wars and bubbles that go together,

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you know. The whole thing.
The South Sea bubble was about paying off

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the England's war debt. It was
a scam to pay it off, and

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then it turned into a bubble,
and then the Louisiana Land purchase all of

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that. Some bubbles and wars and
inflation all go together. But okay,

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yeah, I just find it really
interesting that no matter what happens, the

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cycles just keep repeating themselves. We
never get any smarter, you know,

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don't we just don't? All right? Then, well, hey, that

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is it for today. Make sure
you go over to greg site TF metals

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Report dot com and there it is
in the in the screen and show.

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There's a link in the show notes
on Financial Survival Network dot com. How

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much? How much are you getting
these days? Because you know Starbucks h

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the price of Starbucks has gone up. I started a site called Inflation Cafe

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Inflation dot Cafe where we outline,
we highlight all of these stories about inflation.

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And it got inspired because in Starbucks, my latte has doubled in the

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past four years. It's ridiculous.
And and they've increased the amount of foam.

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And then their loyalty program. You
know, it's loyalty from the customers.

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Whenever you see these loyalty programs,
it's disloyalty from the company. They

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used to give you one free drink
a month. They got rid of that.

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They used to give me a free
drink on my birthday, they got

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rid of that. They cut back
the points. I mean, hey,

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complete disloyalty. So I thought they
were entitled to have a website named after

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them, and it's the Inflation dot
Cafe where dollars go to die. I

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get I like it. Well,
I'm guilty a little bit of that out

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of my site. I started all
this back in twenty ten. Oh my

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god. I quickly figured out this
ad revenue thing and being beholded to Google.

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Yeah, not a good toa then
ain't gonna fly. So in twenty

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thirteen, and to keep out the
trolls, we started charging everybody ten bucks

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a month. It's currently fifteen,
so it's up fifty percent. But over

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the last eleven years, that's not
bad. That's pretty good. I think

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you have aren't even to what's happened
at Starbucks, right, And if I

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could look, I just tell people
everybody knows stuff's not free, right,

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Fifteen dollars about what you spend maybe
for a magazine subscription, you know,

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or to the website of your favorite
sports team or whatever. But I say

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this all the time. My site's
different. Man, we keep track of

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everything. But it's not just me. It's everybody on the site that's keeping

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track of everything too. It's a
time like this, man, you need

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as much community. I had boots
on the ground as you can. And

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you can't count on your neighbor or
the people you know, because they're all

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running out of their head in the
sand trying to keep track of their old

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lives. But you can come to
t F Metals Report. You can find

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a whole community of people looking out
for each other, so and so for

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fifteen bucks a month. That's a
pretty good deal, absolutely all right.

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Links in the show notes. Make
sure you sign up for our free newsletter,

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Craig's got one as well, Financial
Survival at work dot com. Craig,

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We'll talk to you in a month
or two, or when I promise

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you that some goal breaks twenty five
hundred will get you on that day.

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Okay here alright, he sounds like
a deal. Thanks. That always a

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