WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.639 Thank you everyone. I'm sorry for the delay. I'm Gregory Salmery of the 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:11.919 Salem Center for Policy here at the University of Texas. I know it's not 3 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.160 in the room. Can people hear me in the back? Okay, we're 4 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:24.800 just the mice are just for the internet. Nevertheless, as I say, 5 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:28.760 I'm greg Salmery of the Salem Center for Policy here at the University. This 6 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:32.880 event has sparked some controversy, leading to some demands that we cancel it and 7 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.200 to a need for added security. I'd like to thank all of you for 8 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:41.320 complying with the security measures recommended to make sure that this was a safe space 9 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:47.200 where ideas can be shared safely. There's something really important on which the organizers 10 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:51.439 of the event and those who are most upset about it agree. There are 11 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:56.799 monstrous evils taking place in the world today, perpetrated by factions who seek genocide. 12 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:03.240 Too many people actively support these and this support cannot simply be an honest 13 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:08.200 error. Most people simply look the other way, too confused or too frightened 14 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.400 to take a strong stand in either direction. It's an issue of life or 15 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:17.599 death, an issue of racist murder, and of self defense against it. 16 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:23.439 What we disagree about is who are perpetrating these evils and who are resisting them. 17 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:30.159 Such disputes are sadly normal in human history. History is largely the story 18 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.280 of people's killing one another, each believing or making believe that they're acting in 19 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:40.200 self defense. In times of war and atrocity, passions properly run high. 20 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:44.760 Propaganda is always rampant, and it can be hard to tell what is true 21 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.959 and what is false, who is wrong, and who, if anyone, 22 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.079 is in the right. It's for this reason that it's so important that parties 23 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:59.719 on all sides of the most contentious debates have the freedom to speak, particularly 24 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.200 parties on all sides of debate about war. And it's equally important that we 25 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.400 each take time on occasion to listen to the views we find most abhorrant. 26 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:14.080 Over the past months and again in the past days, I've been reading and 27 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:16.560 listening to a lot of content on the events in Israel and Gaza that I 28 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:21.800 view is wrong, much of it that I even view is evil. I've 29 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:25.319 asked Juron Brook to come here tonight to present a contrary perspective on the issue 30 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:31.120 that I know will be unwelcome by some university policy and state law provide that 31 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:36.479 registered university groups are free to put on events advocating any point of view, 32 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.759 and the right to free speech demands that when a space has been secured for 33 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.800 such an event in accordance with university policies, the event not be disrupted. 34 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:49.719 If if anyone here who disagrees with doctor Brooke, You're welcome to express your 35 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:52.479 opinion briefly in a question to him at the end, and I hope you 36 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:57.120 will. You're also welcome to frown or scowl during the talk. You're also 37 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:01.479 free to express yourself with talk signs and other means of expression and common outdoor 38 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:07.080 areas on campus in accordance with university policies, and at other university events hosted 39 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:10.479 by clubs who are sympathetic to different ideas. You may not, however, 40 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:15.000 make noise in this space, or hold up distracting signs here, or otherwise 41 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:20.360 deprive doctor Brook of his opportunity to speak and this audience of their opportunity to 42 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.280 hear him. Anyone who violates our freedom of speech in any of these ways 43 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.639 will be escorted out of the whole by campus police. If they're a member 44 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.400 of the university a community, they may also be subject to disciplinary actions. 45 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:36.639 I'd like to thank the administration and the campus police for protecting our right to 46 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.919 speak. I trust that they are doing the same for others on campus of 47 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:45.400 very different views. This includes I gather an organization that posted triumphal images of 48 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:49.719 Hamas's invasion of Israel in the days immediately following ten seven. I gather that 49 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.800 they are hosting another speaker tonight elsewhere on campus. With those preliminaries out of 50 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:58.319 the way, I am priessed to introduce Uron Brook. Doctor Brook is the 51 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.840 chairman of the Einran Institute, the host of the Yran Brook Show, and 52 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.000 these in my opinion, the most insightful commentator on current events in the world 53 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:20.720 today. Doctor Brook, thank you for most of us. I think the 54 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:30.519 images, the sounds, the voices, the stories that occurred on October seventh 55 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:36.879 a seared in our memory. The horror of the rape, the murder, 56 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:46.839 the torture, the beheadings, just the barbarism of actions on that day against 57 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:58.279 innocence throughout Southern Israel. These events were not only horrific in and of themselves. 58 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:03.600 I mean they were bad enough just seeing the images and knowing what happened 59 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:11.360 and what was going on well when made October sevente in some ways unique is 60 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:17.000 that in our modern era of social media, the perpetrators uploaded the images of 61 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:25.879 what was going on to social media and expressed their pseudo pride in what they 62 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:30.879 were doing, their satisfaction with the rape, with a murder, with the 63 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:41.160 torture. These monsters, and they are monsters, felt satisfied in killing parents 64 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:45.839 in front of their children, children in front of their parents. They felt 65 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:54.040 satisfied by kidnapping little babies, old people and taking them back into Gaza. 66 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:05.600 One horrific perpetrator called up his parents, stating with joy that he had just 67 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:12.720 killed some Jews, and one can imagine the parents on the other side probably 68 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:20.480 not chiding him for doing so. What all this really reflects for that day 69 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:29.519 and for the people perpetrating these horrors is the nihilism, the hatred, the 70 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:34.720 destructive urge, the will to destroy, to kill, to bring everything down, 71 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:43.199 to end the lives of so many people, I mean, and with 72 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:50.240 relish they did this. It is rare to see such relish in such barbarous 73 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:58.879 actions. I mean. What is striking about what happened on October seventh, 74 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:09.240 particularly given the demonstrations and the chants and of those who support Hamas and the 75 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:16.920 Palestinians, is their genocidal intent? Is there any doubt that if they could 76 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:21.000 have continued to Tel Aviv, or to Haipha, or to Jerusalem, that 77 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:29.759 they wouldn't have killed hundreds of thousands, millions. Even their intent was genocide 78 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.560 their intent, and they say so in their charter, the Hamas Charter, 79 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:41.480 which is the governing charter of the Palestinian people. They say that what they 80 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.720 want is the eradication of the state of Israel. They say that what they 81 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:55.040 want, it's the rid Jews from the territory from the river to the sea. 82 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:01.439 The river to the sea is a statement of genocide. It is a 83 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.600 statement of wiping out of people, of destroying them, killing them, or 84 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:16.199 sending them on boats who knows where. This is what October seventh represented. 85 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:24.680 And it's not just one time event. One of the spokesmen for Hamas recently 86 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:31.439 said, there will be a second and third and fourth October seventh. Israel 87 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:39.639 must be destroyed. And much of this, much of this is motivated not 88 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:48.759 just by hatred and by nihilism, but it is motivated by an ideology, 89 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:54.919 by an ideology driven by religion. This hatred is driven by an ideology of 90 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:05.840 Islamism, of Islami totalitarianism, the dedication, the commitment to run over the 91 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.360 world with the slum. As hard as it is for us in the West, 92 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:11.559 they imagine these kind of ideas, but to dominate the world, to 93 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.159 bring the world under Sharia law, to make everybody a Muslim or else, 94 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.440 talk about genocide. It's not just river to the sea they want, they 95 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.840 want the world. Comas is just one of many organizations dedicated to exactly this 96 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:37.759 project, as ridiculous and as bizarre and as barbaric as it is. And 97 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:46.759 the question here is is this just Ramas? When that murderer called his parents 98 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.519 again, did the parents chide him? Or the parents in on it? 99 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:58.960 Indeed, are not the Palestinian people in on it? There not a signal 100 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:07.679 thinking majority of them vote for Ramas in Pole after Pole do not a significant 101 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:20.320 number Are Palestinians support Ramas, accept Ramas as their government representing them. This 102 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.840 is not just Tramas, And indeed the war is not a war with Ramas. 103 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.480 One does not fight just a governing party, a governing ideology. What 104 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:39.720 is involved here is a war between peoples between nations, an Israeli nation, 105 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:45.519 a Palestinian nation. What is involved here is a war between two cultures. 106 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.840 We'll talk about those cultures in a minute. The war in Gaza is not 107 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:58.799 a war just against Ramas. And one of the mistakes is Roles making making 108 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:07.120 is cons of it as a limited war against Kamas. So Tamas is not 109 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:11.519 just a terrorist organization. I think it's a mistake to say Tarmas terrorists. 110 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:18.519 Tarmas is a governing political entity. It runs the government, it has the 111 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.879 police, it you know, it funds the hospitals. It is does what 112 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.960 a government does in every other state. World War II is not a war 113 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.159 just against the Nazis. It olways war between the United States and Germany, 114 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.759 a war between the United States and Japan, not against I don't know how 115 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:43.279 you even described the ruling elites of the Japanese Empire. And the war Israel 116 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.720 is engaged today is a war with the Palestinians, a war, by the 117 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:54.000 way, that could be ended very quickly. Release the hostages and surrender your 118 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:03.039 best chance of survival. How do we judge the Palestinians and Israelis? How 119 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.559 do we morally assess who's in the right and the wrong. Now you think 120 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.639 that just the actions of October seventh would be enough that you would be able 121 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:18.440 to judge just that. But people will come and say, but there's a 122 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.879 history, and the horrible things have happened in the past. And I'm happy 123 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:28.080 to take questions on history from anybody and to be challenged in this. But 124 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.919 I don't think you actually have to go very deep into history to discover who 125 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.200 the good guys here are and who the bad guys here are. All one 126 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:43.120 has to really do is look at their culture, look at their societies. 127 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:48.159 What does it mean to be good? What does it mean to be bad? 128 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.679 To be good is to be life affirming. To be good is to 129 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:01.519 be pro human flourishing. To create a good societ society is a society of 130 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:07.440 flourishing. It's a society where individuals can make the most of their life, 131 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:26.120 can pursue happiness. To be bad, to be bad, to be bad 132 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:33.240 as to create a culture in which people cannot thrive. People cannot live freely, 133 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:39.799 people cannot speak their mind, people cannot live based on their own values 134 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:46.279 in pursuit of their own goals. Let's look at Israeli society and look at 135 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.679 Palestinian society, and everything you need to know about who the good guys are 136 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.320 and who the bide guys are are is right there in front of you. 137 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:03.399 Israel with Gaza. If you look at Gaza, if you look at the 138 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:09.159 West Bank, you find a society that is fundamentally anti life, a society 139 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:18.559 that relish is martyrdom, relish's death. A society that venerates its martyrs, 140 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:24.720 that teaches its children hatred, teaches its children that the best life, the 141 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:30.440 most noble life, is a life of martyrdom. It's a life of killing. 142 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:35.639 It's a life of violence. You have a society in which free speech 143 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:43.919 doesn't exist. You disagree, you get killed, you go to jail, 144 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:50.919 you get burnt alive. The violence in such a society against its own people 145 00:14:52.320 --> 00:15:03.159 is horrific. It's theocratic, authoritarian, tribal, no respect for the individual 146 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.879 in sovereignty, no respect for the individual and his mind. I mean, 147 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:13.600 I find it bizarre and horrific and weird to see signs of the American campuses 148 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.679 called queers for Palestine. Really, do you really know what they do to 149 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.000 queers in Palestine? Do you have any idea? Have you not seen the 150 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:33.960 images of them throwing homosexuals off the roofs of tall buildings. They kill gays. 151 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.120 They don't respect their rights. They don't say, oh, well toos, 152 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.440 you do what you want as long as they're not hurting other people who 153 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:48.360 cares. Their ideology calls for death, and that is exactly what they act 154 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:56.480 on. They don't treat women with any kind of respect, honor. Killings 155 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:06.440 are prevalent, So your sex life is regulated by family, regulated by the 156 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:12.039 tribe, the community. It is a primitive society. It is a society 157 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:19.279 that's anti life, anti individual, anti happiness. Instead of investing in Gaza, 158 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.360 instead of building up this beautiful piece of land right on the Mediterranean with 159 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:34.120 amazing beaches, instead of investing there building hotels, results industry, what did 160 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:40.559 they do. They built tunnels, a bolt, weapons, built missiles, 161 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.919 all in the name of destructure, not in the name of life, in 162 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.679 the name of death, in the name of killing, in the name of 163 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:53.120 their own suicide and modern him. You know. One of the I think 164 00:16:53.120 --> 00:17:00.240 more illustrative stories I heard about this mentality, antike production, anti wealth, 165 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.240 anti industry, anti growth that exists in Gaza. Is in two thousand and 166 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.960 five, when Israel left Gaza. And maybe you guys don't know, but 167 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:15.240 Israel used to occupy Gaza and then left in two thousand and five Withdrew dismantled 168 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.200 some of the villagers and towns that had been built in Gaza, and part 169 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:26.559 of those villages and towns there were greenhouses, these beautiful greenhouses in which Israelis 170 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:33.519 had made amazing agricultural products in Gaza, incredibly valuable. And when they Israelis 171 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:40.000 left, they left the greenhouses there. Now you would think people focused on 172 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.799 life, focused on well, focused on production, focused on progress, would 173 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:48.480 take those greenhouses and use them. This is great free stuff. But on 174 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.519 day one they were destroyed. They didn't have anything to do with it because 175 00:17:53.519 --> 00:18:00.960 it was built by Jews, it was built by Israelis. What motivates them 176 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:06.119 is not progress, it's not success, It's a destruction and death. This 177 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.039 is not a healthy society, This is not a good culture. This is 178 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.200 a culture of death. Israel, on the other hand, and let me 179 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:22.720 tell you, in other contexts, I am probably I am probably one of 180 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:32.599 the biggest critics. So in different contexts, I am one of the biggest 181 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:37.160 critics of the state of Israel. I have long lists of problems with the 182 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:42.799 state. Ultimately, I left long time ago. But Israel in comparison, 183 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:51.720 is a land of life. It is a fundamentally free society. Individual rights 184 00:18:51.759 --> 00:19:07.519 are protected, free speech is protected, the individual mind is respected, individual 185 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:15.720 opinion is respected. Arabs and Israel benefit from the security of rights, just 186 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:23.160 like Jews. It's a society that has thrived, that is produced, that 187 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:30.960 has become incredibly wealthy. Those are signs that they're doing something right. When 188 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.279 you grant people free speech, when you respect their property, when you respect 189 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:41.640 property rights and contract law, people thrive, people build, people create. 190 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:47.839 And the testament to that is the tech industry that is booming in Israel and 191 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.920 is a sign of everything good about that society. In comparison, there is 192 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:57.400 no comparison. One is a good culture, a good society, a good 193 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:04.319 country. The other is not. It is bad, It is evil. 194 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:11.240 It is dedicated to death, life versus death. Now, none of this 195 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.119 is ingrained in anybody's genes. None of this is deterministic, none of this 196 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:19.880 has to be. These are all human choices. It is a choice what 197 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:26.880 kind of society you build. Anybody could build the great society. The Palestinians 198 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:32.359 have chosen a path that is wrong and destructive. These Raelis have chosen a 199 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:41.839 path that, for the most part, is good and productive. Now we 200 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:48.160 are in the midst of a war, a war that has been fought primarily 201 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:55.640 in the Gods of strip a war of self defense, a war there was 202 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:07.359 necessary necessity by October seventh. It is a war that Israel is engaging to 203 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:15.559 defeat its enemy, to defeat Hamas, to defeat the Palestinian people. But 204 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.640 defeating of the prest then people is not, in spite of what some in 205 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:23.079 this room think is not genocide. The Allies in World War two did not 206 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:27.519 commit genocide against the Germans. Allies in World War iiO did not commit genocide 207 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:37.359 against the Japanese. They defeated them, and that defeat ultimately led I would 208 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:42.839 argue to much benefits to both Germany and Japan, to them learning the evils 209 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:48.160 of their way, to them learning through being defeated that the cultures that they 210 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:52.759 had before were destructive or horrific, and that they needed a change, and 211 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.160 they changed. Look at Japan and Germany today, not only are they thriving, 212 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:03.000 prosperous society, but also they defends The United States have, in spite 213 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:10.920 of them being defeated, or maybe just maybe because they were defeated. The 214 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:17.880 same is true in the Gaza. Israel must defeat its enemy. They must 215 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:22.559 shake them to the courts so that they question the culture, the society that 216 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:29.839 they have built, shake them to the court so that they think can consider 217 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:36.720 better alternatives, they think can consider a society that ultimately can live in peace 218 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:52.319 with Israel. Any army's responsibility in a war is to defend its own The 219 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.279 responsibility of the Israeli army in Israel is to defend Israel, and it's to 220 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:03.799 defend its own troops to minimize its own casualties. Indeed, I believe it 221 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:10.039 there is a travesty. It's so many Israeli soldiers are dying on the field 222 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:18.799 because Israel refrains from defending them and places places the lives of civilians on the 223 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:23.000 other side, is more valuable than its own soldiers. That is a moral 224 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:30.559 travesty, It's a mal travesty in any war. Civilian casualties are unavoidable in 225 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:36.039 any war. But in this one, where Hamas is hiding behind the civilian 226 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:41.039 casualties, well, Hamas is placing its own fighters inside hospitals, inside schools 227 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:48.039 inside mosques. Of course, civilian casualties are going to occur. And yet, 228 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:53.519 in spite of this bomb dropped. There's a new statistic for you, 229 00:23:53.880 --> 00:24:00.319 But bomb dropped, fewer civilian casualties have died in god Asa than in any 230 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:08.799 previous war. No army in history has done more to try to avoid civilian 231 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:33.720 casualties than the Israeli army. I think they've tried too hard everywhere else. 232 00:24:44.519 --> 00:25:22.799 All right, guys, Calm down, Calm down by guys, guys, 233 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.119 guys, guys, guys, guys, God God, calm down, Calm 234 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.200 down, Calm down, Calm down, com down, Calm down, calm 235 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:41.279 down. Israel indeed has been soucietal and sacrificial. And the number of troops 236 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:48.440 that has lost for the sake of saving Palestinian lives. You know that about 237 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:55.119 twenty five at least of the Israeli soldiers that have died in Gaza have died 238 00:25:55.160 --> 00:26:00.079 for friendly fire. And they've died for friendly fire because of the unique challenges 239 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:04.279 of fighting in an urban landscape, but beyond that, because of the ongoing 240 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:12.880 attempts not to kill civilians. I think that is tragic and sad is well, 241 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:19.880 it's also engaged now in negotiations, negotiations to free hostages. But every 242 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:26.960 time they negotiate with Hamas, they recognize it as a legitimate political entity. 243 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:32.400 Every time they negotiate with Kamas, they give more power too Hamas. Every 244 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:37.480 time they negotiate with Kamas, they encourage the taking of hostages, they encourage 245 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:44.240 more October sevenths. Why my heart is with the hostages, and I feel 246 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:52.119 terrible about their fate. Israel cannot sacrifice victory for the sake of saving the 247 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.240 hostages. That is sad, it is tragic, It is horrible, but 248 00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:03.279 it is the truth. Is doing the opposite of committing genocide. It is 249 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:11.119 trying to win genocide is the organized, systematic murder of a people. Is 250 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:15.279 doing the exact opposite. And if you think about the history, just the 251 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.480 short history of the Gaza strip, the population of Gaza has well more than 252 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:23.559 doubled over the last twenty years. I mean, if Israel is dedicated to 253 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:27.400 genocide, that's a pretty bad job they're doing of it. They've grown, 254 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.640 They've grown because they've had babies, they've had children, They're living longer, 255 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:41.000 life expectancy has increased. Indeed, even now of a population of two million 256 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:48.440 people in a dense urban area, one of the most dense urban areas in 257 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:56.039 the whole world. The numbers are incredibly small of the number of Palestinians that 258 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.440 have died. If this is genocide, then again they're doing a hollow job. 259 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.799 What they're trying to do is not Genno side. They're trying to win. 260 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.480 They're trying to defeat an enemy, a murderous enemy, a barbaric enemy, 261 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.480 and an enemy that we saw what they did during October seventh. They're 262 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:17.279 trying to do it in a way that there will never be another October seventh. 263 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.559 Not. One of the things that are truly I think stunning and maybe 264 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.680 really shocking and surprising, even more so to some extent than what happened in 265 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.119 October seventh that many of us in many regards so coming, is the amount 266 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.480 of support Commas is received in the West, in the United States, including 267 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:51.160 among people in this room. It's hard to comprehend how they can venerate the 268 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:56.400 barbarism of October seventh, how they can venerate an organization so dedicated to death 269 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.559 and anti life. I mean, the hatred, the hatred that they must 270 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.720 have is incredibly intense and strong towards Israel and towards Jews. More broadly, 271 00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:14.400 part of this is some ancient kind of leftover of anti Semitism, not leftover, 272 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:21.160 it's still rampant. But there's something modern about this particular hatred. There's 273 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.559 something about it that is related to the modern leftist views about anti colonialism and 274 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:33.640 intersectionality and oh woke phenomena. There's something about this idea that we must divide 275 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:40.039 the world into oppressors and oppressed, and everybody's an oppressor or an oppressed, 276 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.000 and how do we decide who's an oppressed and who's an oppressor by the outcome. 277 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:48.000 If you're successful, if you're wealthy, if you're pursuing happiness, if 278 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.920 life is pretty good, you must be an oppressor. And if you're poor, 279 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.720 if you're struggling, if things aren't going too well, you must be 280 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.920 oppressed. It can't be your fault anymore than it's the fault of the successful 281 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:14.480 person. The world is now divided into oppressed and oppressors Jews Israel. Israel 282 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:21.119 in particular is an incredible success. It thrives, It's wealthy people sue happiness, 283 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:25.920 they're well off. It can be the color of the skin, because 284 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.599 if you've ever been to Israel, you know that israelis come in all colors. 285 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:37.480 It's something about Israel, it's something about them being Jewish that somehow made 286 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:45.960 them, I guess oppressors. Israel has become a culture, a good culture, 287 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.880 a successful culture. And if of a definition, they're oppressors, by 288 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.440 definition, they're the bad guys. And by definition, you can do anything 289 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:57.640 you want to the bad guys, to the oppressors. There's no limit to 290 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:03.640 the arbarity you can admit against an oppressor and a bad guy, and that 291 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.519 is to be celebrated. They can be killed, they can be murdered, 292 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:15.519 they can be raped, they can be tortured, and it's okay because they 293 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:22.680 were oppressors. They had it coming. And of course the Palestinians who struggle, 294 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.200 who are poor, who will be defeated, they must be oppressed. 295 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:32.319 By definition, look at the outcome. We don't have to know anything more 296 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.599 than to see that they are struggling, and they are poor, and they 297 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:41.000 are in bad shape, and they're the oppressor. And as oppressors they were 298 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.279 allowed to do anything. We can never criticize them, we can never condemn 299 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:52.519 them. They're by definition good Now this is a sick, distorted ideology. 300 00:31:52.519 --> 00:32:00.440 This is real perversion. It denies any agency, denies any responsibility for the 301 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.559 choices you make. If you're good, it's because you oppressed other people, 302 00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.799 not because you create it, not because you made good choices, not because 303 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:15.799 you produce something, not because you have good ideas. And if you're not 304 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:22.160 doing well in life, it's never your fault, it's always somebody else's. 305 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:29.359 You're, after all, just the oppressed. This dynamic is playing out and 306 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:37.359 manifesting this crisis. It's so obvious and so horrific and so tragic and sad. 307 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:43.960 Instead of giving Israel the credit for what it is built, the fact 308 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.039 that it is successful and be built is now a vice. Instead of telling 309 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:52.880 the Palestinians they should be doing better and that there are better ideas and there 310 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.279 is a better way of life and there is a way for them to flourish, 311 00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.240 we tell them it's just the nature of their being oppressed. And the 312 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:05.440 only time this, somehow will go away is if we ever achieved some mythical 313 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.640 equality where we're all exactly the same, and if for the no oppressors and 314 00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:14.400 no oppressed, and of course we all know when that will happen. Never 315 00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:23.200 So, two cultures have made two different sets of choices. They've gone in 316 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:31.079 two different directions, one towards life, towards happiness, towards freedom, towards 317 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:38.400 success, the other towards death, destruction, oppression, and authoritarianism. It's 318 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:46.000 not surprised one led to poverty and one led to wealth. Now all this 319 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:52.039 sounds pretty bleak, and it is. It's horrific. But is there any 320 00:33:52.119 --> 00:34:00.359 chance? Is there any possibility of peace? It's peace in the land of 321 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:08.639 Israel possible? Now today it is not. It is not. With seventy 322 00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.719 percent of Palestinians supporting Kramas, How are you gonna have peace with people who 323 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.440 want to destroy Israel? How can Israel negotiate, never only settle, never 324 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.760 mind live side by side with people who want to kill them, who people 325 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:29.960 who celebrated oktober' semeth. That is impossible. It cannot be achieved, and 326 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.440 it should not be tried. After all, before October seventh, there was 327 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.480 cease fires after cease fires, after cease fires, after peace agreements, after 328 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:43.719 other peace agreements to no end, and all they resulted in in a long 329 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:52.239 string of agreements and violence. Peace cannot be achieved. As long as you 330 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:58.639 have two cultures side by side with such opposing views on life and the world, 331 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.880 you cannot have peace with the culture dedicated to death. You cannot have 332 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:09.559 peace or the culture dedicated to your death and your destruction and genocide inflicted on 333 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:16.719 you. So there is no way to negotiate a peace today. Does this 334 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.119 mean peace is impossible? No, I don't think that's the case. I 335 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:29.199 don't think it's impossible. What would it require. It would not genocide, 336 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.920 not extimination, but it would require victory. It would require the victory of 337 00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:42.039 Israel over the Palestinians. It will require the Palestinian accepting once and for all 338 00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:46.519 that they cannot use violence to get out of the situation that they're in. 339 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:54.079 They cannot use violence to destroy Israel. The violence is not a means for 340 00:35:54.199 --> 00:36:00.719 their success. It means the Palestinians have to give up on the sword, 341 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.199 They have to give up on violence as a tool, and they have to 342 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.599 embrace a proper culture, a culture of life, a culture of progress. 343 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:16.480 They have to embrace the same ideas as live in Israel. The ideas of 344 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:22.400 individual liberties, the ideas of free speech, the ideas of property rights, 345 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:30.719 and contract law. There needs to be a fundamental shift in Palestinian culture. 346 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:38.639 That shift will only come when they have lost, when every ounce of hope 347 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.519 that they can beat Israel, that they can destroy Israel has been lost, 348 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:51.960 has been eliminated, when they are truly hopeless. Germany at the elder World 349 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:58.599 War two understood that they had lost and therefore or we'll need to consider something 350 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:04.199 completely new. Japan at the end of World War two had lost, and 351 00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:08.519 we're willing to consider something really radical for them, very different than ancient Japanese 352 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:15.840 culture, and yet they thrive today. Israel, oh, the Palestinians, 353 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:23.039 needs to be where Germany and Japan were in nineteen forty five, for them 354 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:32.000 to reorient themselves, to recognize the fact that they must rethink their life, 355 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:43.840 their values, their focus. When that happens, peace of course, is 356 00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:50.599 not only a possibility, but will be a reality. Israel fundamentally wants peace. 357 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:58.360 At least a vast majority of Israelis doze wants to live with their neighbors. 358 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:04.400 Whether that happens to be a two state solution a one state solution, 359 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.760 I don't know, and I don't really care. I'm not against any of 360 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.719 those solutions. Now. I know what the Palestinians want. They want a 361 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.519 one state solution with no Jews. But that is what they have to give 362 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:22.000 up on. That's what they have to eradicate. I really do believe there 363 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.039 is a future. I don't know when, and I don't know that I 364 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.360 will see it in my lifetime, although I believe it could happen in which 365 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:37.320 Jews and Palestinians, Jews and Arabs live side by side in Israel, or 366 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.960 in Israel, in Palestine, or however you want to structure it in peace, 367 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:50.199 in a thriving society, the respects to the rights of individuals, and 368 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:57.360 the builds on the success of Israel and allows everybody in that geographic area to 369 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:39.480 benefit from that success. Thank you, thank you. We will. That's 370 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:46.719 the best they can do. I'm not worried. Question. Yes, yes, 371 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:55.039 doctor Brook. Is it good? Yes, just as the ultimate antidote 372 00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:05.519 to anti black racism, yeah yeah, just just yell, Okay, Well 373 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:07.199 I'll repeat the question so everybody can hear it. I've got a big voice. 374 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.639 Yes, just as the ultimate antidote to anti black racism is in black 375 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.119 nationalism and liberia. It's classical liberalism in the United States. The ultimate anti 376 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.960 antidote to anti Semitism is in Zionism and Israel. It's classical liberalism and the 377 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:28.360 United States. So my question is, doctor Brook, and I understand you 378 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.840 have immigrated, and thank you so much for immigrating through our country. I'm 379 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.519 sure I'm not welcome. Well, I guess it just seems as if it 380 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:44.440 seems as if you're giving up on classical liberalism and the United States. I 381 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:49.480 don't understand why. I mean, shouldn't we just allow complete open immigration from 382 00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.960 Israel and allow the people like you yourself came So let me let me just 383 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.760 say absolutely, let's allow open immigration. Maybe not just from Israel, but 384 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.480 maybe Israel is a good start. I'm not sure most Americans will accept that, 385 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.119 right, So I don't think that's a proposal that would fly very far 386 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.599 anyway. But no, I'm not giving up in the United States. I'm 387 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.639 adding Israel to the world of classical liberalism. The United States has come a 388 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:22.320 long way from its roots in classical liberalism, and Israel has come a long 389 00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.679 way from its roots in socialism and has moved towards classical liberalism. So I 390 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.480 want a world of classical liberalism. I want the Palestinians to be classical liberal 391 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:38.360 I want all of the world to benefit from the enormous prosperity and individual liberties 392 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.440 that are possible as a result of classical liberalism. So why limit myself just 393 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.320 to the United States when the United States is in decline and the rest of 394 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.639 the world can benefit from these ideas. So it's not a man of giving 395 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.480 up in the United States. Quite the country. Ninety nine percent of my 396 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.880 talks and my lectures about how to make the United States better, how to 397 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.760 save capitalism, how to save freedom. My concern is though, that there 398 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.920 are few bastions around the world, you know, parts of Europe, parts 399 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:12.559 of Asia, and Israel that represent what I believe is classical liberalism, and 400 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.920 I'd hate to see them destroyed, because you know what, when they're destroyed, 401 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:24.440 you know where they're coming next. Hi, thank you for coming to 402 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:29.280 talk. My name is Colby Martin Jones. I am currently working on my 403 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.039 master's in public affairs here at the OBJ School. I earlier you mentioned that 404 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:40.079 there was about twenty thousand odd deaths to the two million population, and how 405 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:45.719 that was a shoddy job of genocide, and I guess I just wanted to 406 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.599 ask you. We were talking earlier about how during the Sealed Team six expedition 407 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.400 to kill a Sama Bin Laden, the sanctioned un amount of civilian deaths to 408 00:42:55.519 --> 00:43:00.440 his to achieve his death was thirty. So I guess I would just like 409 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.119 to know, given that information, and given what you know about what seems 410 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:09.480 to be happening, how many civilian deaths are justified in this fight. However 411 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:15.199 many it takes to bring victory against the enemy, there is no number, 412 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:22.480 and and and and by the way, I didn't mention the twenty thousand figure. 413 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.960 This is the first I've heard. The formal number that Hamas presents is 414 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:30.920 twenty five to maybe a little over twenty five. But of course that is 415 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:36.960 massively distorted because at least ten of those are actual combatants, people with guns. 416 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.199 And of course, how do you tell who's a combatant who's not When 417 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:45.000 Ramas fights and civilian close, when Ramas hides behind civilians, Well, Hamas, 418 00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:49.880 you know, is among the civilians. You can't tell who is a 419 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.039 fighter and who is not. So in terms of civilians, the numbers are 420 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.000 a lot less than twenty thousand once you take it out, But the reality 421 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.760 is there is no magic number thirty to one, fifty to one, one 422 00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.920 hundred to one, one to one on proportionality. The idea of proportionality is 423 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.880 suicidal. There is no such thing as proportionality in war. The good guys 424 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.760 have to win, and they have to win quick, and they have to 425 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:16.719 win with the least casualties possible. That is what an army's responsibility should be. 426 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:21.280 It's not. And part of the reason the America hasn't won a war 427 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.559 since World War Two is that it won't fight like that. Israel has adopted 428 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.119 that strategy, and I fear that it's not gonna win this war, not 429 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:37.039 in the way I think it should. Awesome, thank you so much for 430 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.400 taking the time to answer. I would like to add that the willingness to 431 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:46.400 kill every member of any population is indeed also genocide. So nobody has said. 432 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.440 Nobody has said the willingness to kill every member of a population. Indeed, 433 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.880 it is never necessary to kill every member of the population. It is 434 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.679 not necessary, and it's certainly not Israel in and to do that, Selena, 435 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.880 my intent to do that, but it is necessary to kill as many 436 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:12.559 as is necessary to achieve victory. For Hamas, Hamas will surrender, that 437 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:17.079 Palestinians will surrender. Hey, ron Ohi, I was wondering if you could 438 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:21.599 give advice to those of us who are on the right side of this issue, 439 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.800 we're on Israel's side, about how to avoid falling into tribalism ourselves, 440 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.320 and about how to support Israel for the right reasons. I think a big 441 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:38.000 part of it is to emphasize the fact that there's nothing inherent in the Palestinians 442 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:43.599 being the way they are. That is, there's nothing that necessitates the Palestinians 443 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.840 be as murderous as they are. That this is a choice. It's a 444 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.519 civilization or choice. It's a cultural choice that every culture in a sense makes. 445 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:57.440 It's intellectuals, it's people, it's leaders make. You can choose to 446 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.440 adopt an anti life, a Swiss side id, a destructive ideology, and 447 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:06.559 you can choose to be pro life. And there's nothing to me that says 448 00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:12.280 that Palestinians cannot be as rich, as successful, as individualistic, as prosperous 449 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:17.719 as israelis if they make the right choices as individuals and in aggregate as a 450 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.360 culture. And that's why where you get around the kind of deterministic tribalism that 451 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.800 so pervades so many conflicts. There's nothing inherent in being Israeli that makes you 452 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.119 good. There's nothing inherent in being a Palestinian that makes you bad. I 453 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.280 know a lot of Israelis that I hate. So it's it's not about that. 454 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:40.039 It's about what ideas you have, and it's about what you do with 455 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.320 those ideas and how you live your life as an individual, and again, 456 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:52.519 how that impacts the culture as a whole. We do Hi there, I 457 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.280 just want to start by saying, you know, I am a proud anti 458 00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:02.599 Zionist Jew. We do exist. Thank you, and yes, yes I 459 00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.800 am. Okay, well it's fine, okay. So you know I wanted 460 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.480 to ask, you know, I was. I was sort of interested by 461 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.719 this. You know, in your talk you you know, you say Israel 462 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.800 is a fundamentally pro life society. I'm curious how is Israel a pro life 463 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.400 society At the same time, you're also saying that Israel should prioritize winning this 464 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:30.599 war over both protecting civilian lives but also the lives of the hostages. I 465 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.880 don't understand this. It feels like a contradiction to me, because you know, 466 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.840 if you're saying that, you know, we should risk more civilian lives. 467 00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.480 You know, haven't we seen that, you know in the US war 468 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:50.079 on terror that isis originated out of our ground offensive to eliminate al Qaeda. 469 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:55.760 Right, a large scale ground offensive of this of this size will inevitably lead 470 00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.559 to more trauma and more terror, more tear terrorism. I just want to 471 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.199 end off. Also on there's a there's a Jewish mid roster. There's a 472 00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.519 saying that when you save one life, you save an entire world, you 473 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:12.320 save an entire universe. And I think that in this war, we should 474 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:21.719 be protecting lives at all costs, whether they're Jewish or Palestinian. So I'd 475 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:28.400 say, yeah, so first, you know, I'm not going to get 476 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.559 into it, but your interpretation of the of ices is completely wrong, and 477 00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:36.079 happy to happy to cover that another time. In terms of the history and 478 00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.400 what led to the wise of iceis I've written about this and that talks about 479 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.320 this a long time ago. You know, violence does not create terrorism, 480 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.840 never has. The reality is that I don't know when it was the last 481 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:52.599 time Americans were killed by Japanese terrorists. We dropped two nuclear bombs on them, 482 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.920 and yet there, we are best friends. How many of you fear 483 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.360 going to Germany because those Germans are going to kill you because that when they 484 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:06.559 find out you're American and you're part of the people who flattened resident They don't 485 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:15.079 defeated countries do not then engage in violence against once they realize they being defeated, 486 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.920 Once they realize their way of life was wrong, and the Palestinian way 487 00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.519 of life today is wrong. It needs to change and they need to come 488 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:30.480 to that realization. And the only way they will come to that realization is 489 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.559 when they are defeated. And that would be good for the Palestinians, not 490 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:37.880 only for the Israelis. Their lives will be better because they will live in 491 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:44.599 a thriving, pro life society once that happens. In terms of valuing life, 492 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.840 the responsibility of Israeli military is to value the life of Israelis. The 493 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.199 responsibility to Israeli military is to protect the lives of Israelis. Now, you 494 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.159 say, but what about the hostages there? Israelis? After all my fear 495 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.440 about the hostil the Jesus that yes, there are one hundred and something hostages 496 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:07.039 there. But by negotiating with Kamas, by cutting a deal, by having 497 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:15.599 a ceased fire, by not defeating Kamas, you sacrifice many, many times, 498 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:21.119 one hundred people in the future, many many, many more Israelis will 499 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.760 die in the future if you compromise today, if you sell ittate and look, 500 00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:30.039 this is not theoretical, this is not hypothetical. Israel has done this 501 00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.159 many, many times. One of the reasons they took hostages is because of 502 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:40.559 Israel releasing a thousand for one soldier Shalitz a few years ago when they released 503 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.239 it. And Israel has cut deals with the Palestinians over and over again without 504 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.719 defeating them, and the results of those deals have always been more violence, 505 00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:57.000 not more peace, more violence. So it's time to stop pretending, stop 506 00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:01.800 deluding ourselves, stopt that there's somebody to talk to right now, because there 507 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:07.840 isn't. And it's time to change the dynamics. And October seventh, with 508 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:13.559 the hollor that it is presented an opportunity to change that dynamics. I think, 509 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.679 unfortunately, I don't think that will happen because I think your you will 510 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:24.239 win out fair. So I just want to say that I am taking a 511 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:30.000 class on Jewish values and then everything I've learned from it has valued social justice, 512 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.840 it's valued repairing in the world, and it's value charity. So I 513 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.760 also want to preface that I believe that every people to have respect, safety 514 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:43.679 and peace. But I do believe that you are mistaken about the Polictian people. 515 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.119 I think you're talking about them like they're black into the brown. You 516 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:51.880 talk about them like how so many Western countries have talked about black people throughout 517 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.920 history. You call it violent, You say that we we thirst for blood, 518 00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.960 that were uneducated, that we don't know how to how to go ourselves. 519 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:05.199 That's at least what I got from your talk. Sure right, yeah, 520 00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:08.960 so yeah, I'm a huge advocate for the virtue of justice. I 521 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.559 believe people need to get what they deserve, and justice sometimes demand that people 522 00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:20.480 get punished for the actions that they take. I have come to my conclusions 523 00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.360 about the Palestinian people as they are today, not based on some theory, 524 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.800 not based on the color of their skin, not based on history, but 525 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.639 based on their actions, based on what I witnessed in terms of their behavior, 526 00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:35.960 they won't My assessment of the Palastinian people is not always like this. 527 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.880 I've woke the Palestinian people in Israel and in those days, it's you know, 528 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.960 it was peaceful, and it was there was a lot of respect. 529 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:50.559 That has changed, and the reality on the ground is that today, if 530 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.519 you've seen any of the images of October seventh, you know that they're all 531 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.400 murderers. And again, it wasn't five people, it wasn't ten people, 532 00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:02.039 it wasn't one hundred people. There hundreds of Palestinians. And they went back 533 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.880 to gods and they told, come on, it's a once in a lifet 534 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.559 opportunity killed Jews. There's something wrong with people who think that way. There's 535 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.519 something wrong with people behave that way. And unless we're willing to face the 536 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.559 reality of what we see, examine it and deal with it, you can't 537 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.079 do Ticuna lum. Part of Ticuna lam is to face the evils of the 538 00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:30.639 world, challenge them and try to repair them, and to repair the evil 539 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:36.440 here Victorian war is necessary. War is a horrible thing. It's the most 540 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.360 horrible thing the human beings do to one another. I agree it's definitely the 541 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:44.719 last resort. But when it happens, you have to make it quick, 542 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:45.920 and you have to win, and you have to make sure it doesn't happen 543 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:53.320 again. And I do believe in and I do believe in Takun Alum and 544 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:58.800 repairing the world and chadaka and charity, and I believe I am challenging the 545 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.920 evil. I believe you set this fast binary that we are enemies, that 546 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.239 the Palestinian people are enemies to the Israeli people, when first of all, 547 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:12.199 there are Palestinian Jews there as well. But also it's not one culture is 548 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.440 evil, one culture is good. Okay, in this case they are. 549 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.800 And in this case the reality is Mass was created by Israel. Kamas was 550 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.519 not created by the Mass. What's funded by Israel? I agree, I'm 551 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:28.719 not going to disagree with you, Okay, Can you let me talk for 552 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:31.480 a second. I'll let you talk. Hamas was definitely funded by the State 553 00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:36.239 of Issuel originally, and it's origins it was taken out of the Muslim Brotherhood. 554 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.119 Israel believed that because the Muslim Brotherhood was religious, they would be more 555 00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:45.719 peaceful than the PLO. So they funded Hamas and its origins in order to 556 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:52.480 provide an alternative to PLO. Stupid, horrific mistake. Stupid. Right now, 557 00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:57.400 what if Hamas come about anyway? Probably the Muslim Brotherhood was already quite 558 00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.960 dominant in Gaza, in the in the West Bank and the Muslim Brotherhood. 559 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:06.000 If you know anything about history, is a movement dedicated to Sharia law and 560 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.800 the world domination of Sharia law comes out of Egypt from the nineteen twenties. 561 00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.599 We can do the whole history if you want. So, you know, 562 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.920 Israel did not create Hamas and did not it funded it originally and then left 563 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.920 it once it realized a monset that created but he created a monster. But 564 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:30.880 the reality is Hamas in its documents are founding calls for genocide against Israel, 565 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.760 against the Jews, right, I mean, does anybody deny that that's what 566 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:37.880 in the document that they still have not changed, and they refuse to change, 567 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:43.639 and they reaffirm on a daily basis every time a Hamas leaders interviewed that 568 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.519 is in the document. They're genocidal and they are proud of their genocide and 569 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.800 Israel is committing the genocide. No, Israel's not committed any genocides. No 570 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.800 genocide is being committed by Israel. Ever, Hamas is committed to this. 571 00:55:55.639 --> 00:56:00.360 And on top of that, the Palatinian people love. I didn't make that 572 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:07.039 up. Look at every single poll out there, the Palestinian people support the 573 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.599 genocide of Hamas, they support the eradication of the state of Israel, they 574 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:15.079 support the killing of eight million Jews. Now, not every Palestinian, I 575 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:21.719 acknowledge absolutely, and I hope that the Palestinians who really want peace in Israel, 576 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:27.000 ultimately, they're the ones who win out. They're the ones who changed 577 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.679 their own culture, and they're the ones who actually established peace with Israel ultimately 578 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.119 for their own sake and for the sake of everybody who lives in that region. 579 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.639 But right now, the reality we face right now is a majority of 580 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:45.039 Palestinians are genocidal, a majority of Palestinians do support Hamas, and a majority 581 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.960 of Palestinians sadly supported what happened on October seventh, and supporting that is just 582 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:58.920 beyond the peal. I mean the other people. There's a long line behind 583 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.920 you, a long line. Very last point. Okay, if we put 584 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:07.880 people into an apartheid state and we continually oppress them for decades, we kill 585 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:12.280 those people, are they not going to become angry and vited towards at the 586 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:16.960 other state, that pothe state in Israel? It is it is absurd. 587 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:22.480 The reality is do you know why is only in two thousand and five when 588 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:30.159 they left the Gaza Strip literally dismantled Jewish towns that were in Gaza and forcefully, 589 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:36.480 literally using force, dragged those people out of Gaza and brought them beyond 590 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.880 the border with Gaza. Why did they do it? Because no Jew can 591 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:45.079 survive in Palestine under the Palestinian authority. Jews will be killed. And they 592 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:46.920 knew it, and they said, we can't protect you there. We're going 593 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.800 to force you to come to the other side. If they had stayed in 594 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.920 Gaza, the Palestinians would have slaughtered them. That is the reality in Israel. 595 00:57:55.440 --> 00:58:00.480 Arabs in Israel for the most part. I'm not saying Israel's perfect and 596 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:06.239 it doesn't do things and acts that are illegitimate towards its Arab population. But 597 00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:12.599 for the most part, Arabs and Israel have equal rights to Jews. They 598 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.679 can live anywhere, they can speak their mind, they can even speak support 599 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:24.400 for political parties that antagonistic to Israel. There are members of Arab members in 600 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:29.679 the Kinnisset, the Arab members in the government. The Arabs have they you 601 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:34.840 know, they're pressed, they have newspapers, they have TV stations they are. 602 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.760 You know, you know most of the doctors now, most of the 603 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:44.760 physicians who treat you in northern Israel Arabs, not Jews. If you go 604 00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:46.599 to Nahalia, if you go to even to Mbam and Haipha, half the 605 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.760 doctors in Umbam and Hiper and Hypher where I grew up Arabs, which is 606 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:57.440 fantastic. I love it. That's an apothey state where they doctors are treating 607 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:00.719 Jews. Arab doctors are treating Jews. Really, where do you live? 608 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.840 People? Have you ever seen a potheide? Have I ever seen a part 609 00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:08.440 time? You ever seen the signs? Have you ever seen the barrel of 610 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.679 a gun in your face at the age of twelve, sitting in your own 611 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:22.679 home? Okay, okay, I love everyone here. I love everybody. 612 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:27.679 Choose mercy, Choose peace. That's all I say. I answered. I 613 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:37.199 was asking a question. Let's go, let's why I was asking, Sorry, 614 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:43.760 how are you doing? Time that we're getting some of the challenging questions, 615 00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.280 and I hope you all will continue because the line of times one question 616 00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:52.800 and then move on. Everyone, no worries, I'll sick. I'll sick 617 00:59:52.840 --> 01:00:00.079 to one all right. I didn't really have a massive question or for you, 618 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.920 But I did have a little bit of an observation as there were, 619 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:09.320 you know, people getting up during your talk, leaving, saying a couple 620 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:14.440 of words, and then and then being escorted out as per the policy. 621 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:19.920 The first person that left stood up and they said, I think an eleven 622 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.559 year old girl had her throat slit yep by the Israeli people, and then 623 01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:28.480 she was escorted out yep. And the first thing that I heard out of 624 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.840 a lot of mouths here was laughter. Yeah, I heard a lot of 625 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:37.079 I heard a lot of people laughing at her. Maybe maybe it was her, 626 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:42.079 maybe it was her conduct. But still to think about an eleven year 627 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:45.440 old getting her throat slit, and one of the first things I hear out 628 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:51.280 of people's mouth is laughter does not feel very pro life to me. You 629 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.360 might have to break it down, but it does not feel very pro life 630 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.400 to me. I did not hear laughter. If people laughed, it was 631 01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:01.320 clearly inappropriate and was wrong. Slitting on eleven year old's throat of eleven year 632 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:06.119 old goal is killing a non act of self defense and it's condemnable. And 633 01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:07.800 if Jews did that, if Israeli did that, I hope they sit in 634 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:16.719 jail and they want in jail for the rest of their life. That's my 635 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:21.679 time. Dr Brook. First, I just want to say thank you so 636 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:29.599 much for being here and just to say you're being documented just on what I 637 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.559 thought, hopefully on we have all the Jewish people here maybe except for him. 638 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:46.039 Just how reassuring and encouraging it is to have someone outside this. I 639 01:01:46.039 --> 01:02:01.719 would all right ask the question to school, but I encouraging. Yeah, 640 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:07.519 we can't. We can't do it. Yeah, it's either sorry, are 641 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:19.079 you refusing? Are you a physical set it first? It's like you get 642 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.119 it first. I'm talking about this like it's true. I'm just feeling not 643 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.199 a little words. No, I have not said a world you can't. 644 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:28.360 But you put the camera like right in my face. I want you to 645 01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:32.800 go. I want to there needs to be like we can't have the rules 646 01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:47.400 with this. I cannot stand up and put your camera standing. I gonna 647 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:58.880 get that one. I don't even said a word sporting from my face. 648 01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:14.599 Figure out see then getting up. So just today it's it's me, don't 649 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:24.000 fucking touch me. Don't fucking touch me. Please just say don't fucking touch 650 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:30.480 me. Fed me. I walked out on my own piece of ship. 651 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:34.280 You fucking please, don't clutch me. No, I'm not No, don't 652 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:36.760 touch me. I'm walking on my own. I'm walking on my own. 653 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:43.599 Pam fucking Peal, I'm fucking movie. I didn't just love ship. I 654 01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:52.320 was talking met this fascist see puppy gallery of Mike Press. Stop. It's 655 01:03:52.400 --> 01:04:01.760 literally fucking to the side. But doctor brook As, I was saying, 656 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:10.000 just to have someone outside the Jewish faith speaks with such clarity and enthusiasm about 657 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:14.880 not only this conflict, but guys, come on, yeah, the Jewish 658 01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:17.519 people. It really it's very impactful for us and we really appreciate it, 659 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.960 so thank you, And I just want to give those two thoughts to you 660 01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.519 to get your ideas on it. I think a lot of us were really 661 01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:29.119 shocked to see how some institutions, from Harvard to the un reacted the Red 662 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.760 Cross and Wake. And I was just wondering what the United States, Israel, 663 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.400 the governments, the Jewish people, what our reaction should be to those 664 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:44.679 organizations, and also as Israel comes into acknowledge and observe Joshawa tomorrow, what 665 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:46.760 you think the state of the Jewish people, not only in the Middle East, 666 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.800 but also in the US, Australia, England would be without Israel. 667 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:56.840 I mean, it is, it is scary and shocking the increase in anti 668 01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.639 Semitism across the world. I mean remember, you know, October eighth, 669 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:05.039 where you know, was in Sydney. They were they were chanting ju shall 670 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:12.119 burn and things like that, just just things that you you couldn't have imagined 671 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.639 just a few years ago would be going on and and all over you know, 672 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:21.159 on campuses and all over the world. Really it became an international phenomena. 673 01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:30.159 I think there's some deeper rot that is inflicting our institutions. And I, 674 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.360 you know, indicated a little bit about that when I talked about these 675 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:41.159 ideas of intersectionality and these ideas of anti colonialism that they call it that, 676 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:45.159 But it's even anti what they call today anti racism, not real anti racism, 677 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:50.519 but the notion of anti racism. There is a real perversion of thinking 678 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:58.960 going on in our unfortunately in our academic institution and therefore spending throughout throughout the 679 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:08.039 land. The whole phenomena which is fundamentally discriminatory, fundamentally anti reason, anti 680 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:13.760 individualism. It is very collectivistic, it is very tribal, and I think 681 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:18.679 that the solution to all these challenges has to be ultimately intellectual. It has 682 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:25.480 to be a you know, to loge extent. Our educational institutions, particularly 683 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:29.800 the premier educational institutions like Harvard and you Can, have been taken over by 684 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.719 a certain segment within the left that is very dangerous and very anti the ideas 685 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:40.039 of the Enlightenment that made the West the West, that made America America. 686 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.519 And they're chipping away, and they're cutting, they're chipping away at our identity. 687 01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:50.079 And what we need is to propose new ideas, ideas of the Enlightenment, 688 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:55.360 from the Enlightenment, to resurrect kind of that spirit of Americanism and that 689 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:59.800 spirit of individualism that I think permeated this country and permeated much of the West 690 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.119 for a long time and now being being undercut dramatically. Thank you let me 691 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:19.280 of the center of traditions, of the reasons you have so I also wanted 692 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.800 to thank you for the speech, and I had a deeper question, but 693 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:27.559 I wanted to change due to some of the other questions. I wanted to 694 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:33.880 ask how many lives of Jews were spared during October seventh by terrorists after the 695 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:42.559 terrorists learned that these are anti Zionist Jews. Well, not only we were 696 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.960 none of them. And and indeed many of the many of the victims sadly 697 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:50.760 were uh supporters of of the Israeli Left. Quite a few of them were 698 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:56.440 members of Peace Now and and the Israeli Left and and people who whoo, 699 01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:00.239 who basically wanted to kind of deal with a Poutstinius no matter of what. 700 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:03.039 And yet they were the worst victims. But more than that, I mean, 701 01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:06.679 think about what happened in October seventh. I mean it was indiscriminate. 702 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:12.000 Ties were killed, Filipinos were killed. These are people who worked them. 703 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:14.880 When they said we're not we're not Jewish, it doesn't matter. You worked 704 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:16.399 for them, Therefore you you're part of the sin. They killed Arabs, 705 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.600 they killed Muslims, They killed Bedouin who just happened to be there, and 706 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.399 a number of Bedouin families who are grieving for the loss of their children as 707 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:28.960 a consequence. They were indiscriminate. If you worked for the Jews, if 708 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:30.560 we related to the Jews, if you had anything to do with the Jews, 709 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:35.199 you were it was okay to slaughter you was okay to kill you. 710 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:42.960 So you know, this is what an ideology of death really looks like. 711 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:46.520 This is what a commitment to destruction and to death looks like. Thank you, 712 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.880 And just a clarification, I think some of the people in the audience 713 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.000 are not committed with all of the terms we use or we're familiar with from 714 01:08:54.039 --> 01:09:00.359 the Middle East. Can you maybe explain honor killing for the audience? Sure, 715 01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.479 for those of you who do not know on a killing is when a 716 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:10.279 let's say a daughter, a daughter has sex outside of marriage and and her 717 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:15.960 father or brother will often kill her as as a as a former punishment right 718 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.479 for for having sex outside of marriage. Uh. This is I think, 719 01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:25.840 you know, hopefully less common, but it still is prevalent in UH. 720 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.760 And it's barbaric. Look, it's barbaric. I don't care who does it 721 01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:32.239 with it's done this is. This is a barbaric act. Then, unfortunately, 722 01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:45.800 is still part of many Arab communities. I like, yeah, yeah, 723 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:51.439 I'm dissatisfied with the criterion of victory against the enemy. You state that 724 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.039 in defeating Germany and Japan and World War two, Uh, it led to 725 01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:00.199 a correction within those countries and you specified that the Allies did genocide the German 726 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.920 or Japanese people. Do you acknowledge that the argument that Hamas hides in civilian 727 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:11.000 clothes and that all Palestinian people could potentially be a member of Hamas can easily 728 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:15.560 lead to the genocide of the majority children population of the nation of Palestine, 729 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:20.520 especially as Israel's response to the events of October seventh continues indiscriminately and causes numerous 730 01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:26.239 civilian casualties. At what point will enough Palestinians have died for Hamas to have 731 01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:29.560 been defeated, especially as you say that there is no one to talk to 732 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:33.279 in regards to HAMAS or leadership in Hamas. So a number of things that 733 01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:38.680 are wrong in what you stated there, as well as not indiscriminately killing people, 734 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:42.840 absolutely not. And as I said, in terms of casualty, civilian 735 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:46.000 casualty pa, bomb dropped or by any metric you want to use, this 736 01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:50.479 is a war that has killed the fewest civilians probably in human history. So 737 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:56.560 very few civilians are dying. Given the extent of this war, and given 738 01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:01.279 the Kamas is hiding among the civilian population, who's outsiding what counts as a 739 01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:06.840 civilian versus a well, nobody is. The reality is that the Hamas is 740 01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:12.560 reporting that about twenty five twenty six thousand people have died, and Israel is 741 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:19.279 claiming I don't have the exact numbers that nine to ten thousand Hamas fighters Hamas 742 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:23.680 militants have been killed, so you can figure out how many of the dominateive 743 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.279 civilians. And you might not trust the Hamas numbers. I don't. You 744 01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.479 might not trust the Israeli numbers. I don't know if they know what they're 745 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.560 talking about either, but it's probably somewhere in that ballpark. If you know 746 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:36.039 anything about the military, if you know anything about combat, you probably don't. 747 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:40.560 But if you did, then you know that those are given the kind 748 01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.439 of battle that are going on there, these are kind of reasonable numbers. 749 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:46.840 These are not outrageous and ridiculous in terms of the reality. They're ridiculous in 750 01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.039 terms of the fact that so many people have to die, and that is 751 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:54.479 sad. But the fault for that is one hundred percent of Hamas. So 752 01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.800 I don't know how many people have to die, I need to say that 753 01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:00.640 again, but I do know this. Every single death in Gaza, a 754 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:06.800 child, a civilian, a Hamas an Israeli soldier. Every single one of 755 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:15.479 those deaths is on the hands of Hamas. It is their responsibility. They 756 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:23.000 they are to blame for this. They started it. They forced Israel into 757 01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:27.279 a situation where they must fight for their preservation, fight for their existence. 758 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:32.479 They initiated genocide against Israel. Israel is defending itself. It is not intending 759 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:39.279 to it again. If it intended genocide, many many more people could could 760 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:43.359 be dead. But they have done everything they can to minimize those casualties, 761 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:48.239 including the deaths of their own soldiers, often for no good reason. So 762 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:55.199 this accusation is a way for you, guys, to avoid the moral argument, 763 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:59.760 the fact, the moral fact that Hamas is responsible for all these deaths. 764 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:04.560 It is a way for you to avoid condemning Commas and what they did 765 01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:10.359 on October seventh. It is a way for you to pretend that you're not 766 01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:18.199 actually supporting a genocidal regime and people committed the genocide and the destruction of Israel 767 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:24.399 and everybody who lives in it. Thank you for your response. Hi. 768 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:32.319 The UN Convention on Genocide says attempting to destroy a people in a whole or 769 01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:41.600 part through killing or creating unlivable conditions. Is genocide? You say, the 770 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.279 enemy is not just Hamas, the war is against the Palestinian people. So 771 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:50.359 if you support targeting the Palestinian people, why don't you just admit that what 772 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:56.680 you support is genocide under the UN Convention and you think genocide is justified in 773 01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:01.119 this case, because that's not what I think, and it's not what genocide 774 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:10.680 is. Genocide is the targeting of the targeting of a population for destruction and 775 01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:15.159 elimination. And that is clearly, obviously, if you open your eyes, 776 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.760 not what Israel is doing. Wars are not fought between political parties. It's 777 01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:24.720 not the Republicans versus the Nazis, or in this case of Democrats because there 778 01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:29.720 was FTR Right versus the Nazis. It's not the Japanese imperialists versus Truman. 779 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:33.840 It's Japan is fighting against the United States of America. The United States of 780 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:38.920 America is fighting against Japan. That is the rule in this case. It's 781 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:42.880 not Hamas, that is the governing body of Palestinians. It's not something little 782 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.960 terrorist organization that's hiding among the Palestinians. Palestinians really hate them, they want 783 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.880 to destroy them. No this is an organization supported by a majority of Palestinians. 784 01:14:51.199 --> 01:15:00.199 This is an organization that is embedded within the Palestinian people. And the 785 01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:02.720 goal here is not the destruction of the palest Any people. The goal is 786 01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:09.119 the defeat. The two are not the same. Genocide is not the same 787 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:14.119 as defeat. America did not commit genocide against Germany. Every war does not 788 01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:18.279 ended genocide. But every war, every war that leads to a lasting peace, 789 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:24.000 always ends with one party defeating the other. So you don't agree with 790 01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:29.359 the UN definition, that's what you're saying. No, I'm I don't particularly 791 01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:33.039 agree with the UN on pretty much everything. So let's be very clear, 792 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:45.199 and I don't agree with your interpretation of that particular definition. Yes, Earlier 793 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.359 in the talk, you mentioned that the Israeli society is a thriving society. 794 01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:55.479 Yes, and it is, and therefore thriving society is than to be considered 795 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:59.279 the oppressor. And if you look at the Middle East, for example, 796 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:03.560 and several other entries, really there are many thriving countries and they're not considered 797 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:09.960 oppressors or enemies. So I don't I don't get that part. Also, 798 01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:14.840 I wanted to correct something you mentioned that the Palestinians, generally speaking, for 799 01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:20.279 the for the most part, are people that hate the Jews simply because they're 800 01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:26.439 Jews. That is absolutely not true. It's not true that Palestinians want one 801 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.600 state that has no Jews. In fact, Jews existed before the establishment of 802 01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:34.079 what we call the state of Israel today. And that's a fact. That's 803 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:39.720 a fact. And there and everybody lived in peace. That's everybody lived in 804 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:43.119 peace. Let me, you should read your history. You really needed to 805 01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.600 read some history. I will nineteen thirty six, I had nineteen nineteen, 806 01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:50.800 nineteen twenty four, you know, and and and I could go on. 807 01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:56.880 So in nineteen that's all. After seven, I mean, that's all. 808 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.479 What after after some Jews emigrated to a land, bought the land, committed 809 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:04.560 cultivated the land. In fact, I had committed tourist attacks, committed no 810 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:09.600 attacks. And I mean, this is complete a story, the history. 811 01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:13.039 No I know the history insight. This is not about the history of Lesson. 812 01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:17.399 I just want to say, Palestinians don't hate Jews. It's not about 813 01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:26.000 one state with no Jews. That's absolutely can I ask you, okay, 814 01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:28.920 okay, guys, guys, guy, guys, we got a bunch of 815 01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.319 questions, and I keep going and end though because we got more questions. 816 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:36.279 Really, the matter is much more simplar than that. It's really much more 817 01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:45.560 simplar than that. There's in justice that was committed and people just need that 818 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:50.239 right back. It's really not complicated. We don't need to philosophize any of 819 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:55.119 this. Make it a big case of where we need academia or you don't 820 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.079 need a phdr or anything like that. What's wrong is wrong, and it's 821 01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:01.560 obvious. Skilling children is wrong. Killing children is wrong. I don't care 822 01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:05.039 what the reason is when you say this is we're not here for people. 823 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:09.600 This is not the case. Okay, okay, okay, thank you, 824 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:16.960 uh uh uh. I'll know that you're right. It's very simple. The 825 01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:21.720 path is simple. If Ramas surrender tomorrow, Ramas surrender tomorrow, the fighting 826 01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.199 would be over. If they released the hostages, the fighting would be over 827 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.079 tomorrow, it would be over. It is very simple. And if the 828 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:32.319 Palestinians if right now, no no, no, if if the if the 829 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:44.479 palace enough, if I mean I mean, I mean, I mean the 830 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:53.159 reality, the reality is this good. I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm 831 01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:59.119 glad. The reality is if the Palestinian people wanted Hamas to surrender, if 832 01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:11.680 the Palestinian people wanted Haamas, should Palestinian people wanted Hamas to surrender Hamas with 833 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:17.560 surrender, if the Palestinians were not hiding the hostages, civilian Palestinians hiding hostages 834 01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:24.560 in their homes, If the Palestinians civilians, they know where Sinoa is, 835 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:29.000 they know where the Tamas leadership is. If they wanted to end this war, 836 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:31.680 it would be over in a day. They don't want to end this 837 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:35.439 war. They're willing to die for what Hamas did on October seventh. They 838 01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:41.479 value it that much. Now that is sad because it is pretty simple. 839 01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:46.000 Bad is bad. Stop doing the bad stuff. Hi, thank you so 840 01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:49.520 much for being here tonight. I think it's been clear from your discussion that 841 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:56.960 there is this idea across Western universities that Israel is the oppressor and the Palestinians 842 01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:00.800 are undergoing impression. How can we, as you know, diversity students, 843 01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.199 there are a lot of us here tonight, how can we calmly and thoroughly 844 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:10.119 debreak like on this idea that's clearly being perpetrated throughout our universities. I think 845 01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:13.880 the big challenge is that there is this idea of oppressor and oppressed is not 846 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.640 limited to the Israeli Palestinian conflict. As I said, It's a broader philosophical 847 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.960 movement that's out there and the universities, and your you need is to advocate 848 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:24.279 for its antidote. You know, what you need is to advocate for its 849 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:29.239 the opposite. What you need is to advocate for really American ideals with what 850 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:31.439 this country is founded on. It's in the Declaration. What you need is 851 01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:36.399 to defend the rights of individuals to their own life, to live their life 852 01:20:36.439 --> 01:20:41.439 based on the old judgment, in pursuit of their own values and ultimately in 853 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:45.520 the pursuit of their happiness. So combat their tribalism and the determinism. And 854 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:48.720 they you know what they do is they turn you You're part of a group, 855 01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:55.159 right that that is your essence, essential characteristic. And in that sense 856 01:20:55.319 --> 01:21:00.079 they're both racists and and and and the tribalists. You we need to dismantle 857 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:03.920 that in the name of an alternative, and that alternative is a positive one, 858 01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:11.439 and that alternative is an individualistic alternative. Treat individuals as individuals and violence. 859 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:15.359 Violence never has a place, so an initiation of force, the initiation 860 01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:19.239 of violence, is never appropriate. We can have discussions and we can have 861 01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:23.359 debates, and we can disagree, and we will disagree on a lot of 862 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:27.520 things, and we should be able to walk away our own way. That's 863 01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:30.960 what freedom means, and we should be advocates for freedom. Thank you so 864 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:36.600 much. Hi, thank you so much. Oh right, no way, 865 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:41.880 thank you so much for being here. Something that I didn't get to hear 866 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:45.039 about in your talk that I'd like for you to elaborate on is the role 867 01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:48.479 of Iran in all of this, and as well as the role that other 868 01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:54.239 nations like the United States, members of the Abraham Accords and future members potential 869 01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:58.640 future members of the Abraham Accords such as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia may play 870 01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:02.439 in limiting the leuins of Iran, as well as maybe diving in more into 871 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.479 what Iran has done to cause this worth So, yes, I mean, 872 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.920 there's a lot I didn't cover in this talk. There's a lot to say 873 01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:11.880 about the Middle East. I didn't talk about history, I didn't talk about 874 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:17.680 other countries in the Middle East. But suddenly I think the most destructive country 875 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:25.239 the most destructive political entity in the Middle East for now, what is it, 876 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:30.880 well over forty years now is Iran. The Iranian Revolution in nineteen seventy 877 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:38.279 nine was the start of a lot of the damage and the horrors that we've 878 01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:42.199 experienced in the Middle East. It proved to a certain element within the Muslim 879 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:47.399 world that the idea of imposing sharial law on a national scale and running a 880 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:51.279 country on that scale, and standing up to America. Remember that the Aanian 881 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:58.000 Revolution, you know, culminates really its peak is when is when they take 882 01:22:58.000 --> 01:23:00.560 the American embassy and they take the hot the What does what does America do? 883 01:23:01.359 --> 01:23:08.000 Nothing? What does our tough Ronald Reagan do? Negotiates and releases the 884 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:12.520 hostages in you know, in a in a a in a deal. So 885 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.920 Iran since then has been not only a funder of terrorism globally, a funder 886 01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:25.000 of movements of Islamists jihadis all over the world. But it has been an 887 01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:29.159 inspiration to them. It has been the model that they aspire to and it's 888 01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:33.319 behind much of the devastation in the Middle East. I do want to caution 889 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:38.479 you about countries like Saudi Arabia. I know there's a lot of positivity and 890 01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:44.079 oh isn't this wonderful? But look, Saudi Arabia has funded many of the 891 01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:49.479 terrorist organizations out there. Saudi Arabia has funded Hamas. Saudi Arabia funded or 892 01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:57.720 at least funded the schools that supported al Qaeda and brought brought forth many of 893 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:03.159 the Islamists and Jihadis. Sadiu Aris still has a wahabbies, you know, 894 01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:10.199 who are very very you know, bad ideology as part of their regime. 895 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:15.159 So beware of thinking too positively. Yet we'll see maybe maybe I'm wrong, 896 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:20.319 and maybe they've moderated it, maybe they've suppressed the Islamist tendencies. But you 897 01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:24.880 know, this is a you know, in many ways, this is a 898 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.600 global problem. It's not just an Israeli problem. Iran is not just after 899 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:33.279 Israel. Uh, you know, al Qaeda, isis the Taliban, all 900 01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:40.199 these organizations are united by shared ideology of Islamism. They're all out there scheming 901 01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:44.720 and planning and various terrorist attacks and other things. This is not the end 902 01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.319 of it. This is and of course there's physic aligning Lebanon. So you 903 01:24:47.399 --> 01:24:51.199 know, there's a lot to do if you want to actually bring peace to 904 01:24:51.319 --> 01:24:57.159 the to the whole Middle East is what could start with Hamas, could start 905 01:24:57.199 --> 01:25:00.119 with Gaza, but there's a lot more that needs to happen to actually achieve 906 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.199 long term peace in them, at least I agree. Thank you so much, 907 01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:12.159 Thank you Ron for doing this, and to everybody who's remaining civilized. 908 01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:16.199 During a heated discussion like this, I wanted to challenge you on You said 909 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:23.199 that Japan and Germany, when they were fully defeated, were able to turn 910 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:28.680 around and become great, great allies and friends of the West. So but 911 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:34.159 Gaza seems to me like it's the difference is that Germany was the pinnacle of 912 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:39.920 national socialism, it was the exemplar of it, and Japan was the exemplar 913 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:45.079 of its militaristic Shinto style whatever was going on there, whereas Gaza seems more 914 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:49.479 like a proxy war, or or like a pond being pushed around by as 915 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:53.720 you said, in a number of these others, by Iran, or by 916 01:25:54.359 --> 01:26:00.920 by all these other forces. So defeating the defeat of the Palestinian and Hamas 917 01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:04.720 seems more like it would be a defeat of a small portion of that. 918 01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:10.159 Maybe it's how do we prevent that from becoming their Alamo? As opposed to 919 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:15.279 you know something something No, it clearly is a challenge because, as I 920 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:18.039 said, there is a greater global struggle, there is a there is a 921 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:20.439 suddenly a regional but I think in the end of the day, it is 922 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:26.000 a global issue with regard to Islamism, and Hamas is part of a network 923 01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:29.680 of these organizations all over the Middle East and the world. What's that, 924 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:34.840 Sam Harrison? Probably yes, I think that's true. Israel cannot take all 925 01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:40.479 of that on. Is cannot take responsibility for solving the entire worlds problems in 926 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:45.079 terms of Islamism. I do think though, that it can solve the problem 927 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:49.119 with the Palestinians. And maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I do remember 928 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:55.159 a period, a period where I lived in Israel, a period where Palestinians 929 01:26:55.600 --> 01:27:00.319 there was no wall, there was no fence, Palestinians came to working is 930 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:04.600 well every single day. There was a lot of I've been to Gaza, 931 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:09.079 I was in many of these you know West Bank cities. I mean it 932 01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:13.920 was nothing to go to East Jerusalem and walk around or even grom or any 933 01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.880 of these places in those days. You know, you did it, and 934 01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:23.560 it wasn't it didn't feel it didn't feel dangerous, and so so I know 935 01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:30.239 that peace here is possible and and coexistence is possible. I think Israel made 936 01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:34.680 some big mistakes, the Oslo codes being the primary ones. But I really 937 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:42.119 do think that there are elements within the Palestinian people that would embrace a move 938 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:49.680 towards peace once these more horrific, genocidal elements of being destroyed and proven to 939 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:55.920 be incompetent and to be unable to being about the so called victory that they 940 01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:00.720 keep promising. I could very well be wrong in the sense that you've got 941 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:04.239 to solve the global regional problems, and only then will you be able to 942 01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:11.680 solve these really problems. I hope I'm not. Thank you all right, 943 01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:14.880 I think this will be the last question. Yes, Lucky me Hi your 944 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:16.479 own. Nice to see you, Hi, Thanks for coming. I wanted 945 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:21.199 to get some insight from you and perhaps a solution when it comes to the 946 01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:26.319 following problem that just came up organically about five minutes ago for me. So 947 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:30.680 I thought that was worth the dressing. In my experience, it seems like 948 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:36.199 those who are you know, pro Palestine in the West clearly have the Western 949 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:43.680 culture perspective they're not in Palestine themselves. Palestinians in America very different from Palestinians 950 01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:47.199 and the culture mindset over in Palestine. Thus, it would also follow that 951 01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:55.239 I can I understand how it's it seems and could be incredibly offensive. Palestine 952 01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:58.439 is bad Palestine. There's a bad planet Palestine site everyone who's not a member 953 01:28:58.479 --> 01:29:00.720 of Kamas. However, there is a serious distinction to be made between Hamas 954 01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:06.800 and Palestine and Palestinians an American in America. So what I'm wondering is what 955 01:29:08.199 --> 01:29:12.800 to what extent do you think that lack of experience of being in the Palestinian 956 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:18.399 culture in Palestine and actually having like you know, the direct experience of Hamas 957 01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:26.119 and the conflict with Israel is where what's missing from that experience that is making 958 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:31.760 it maybe difficult for Palestinians in the West to accept that this is truly as 959 01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:36.479 horrific as it is. And also, can you do you have any ideas 960 01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:45.640 about how this how this problem that is big can be discussed in the West 961 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:50.199 in a way that's kind of constructive between like all parties as opposed to you 962 01:29:50.279 --> 01:29:55.079 know, Americans saying you hate me because I'm this or you know, I 963 01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:59.479 hate you because you're this because no one here probably is in Hamas because they 964 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:01.960 don't tend to like vacation here. Yeah. But but but but there are 965 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:05.960 people here that are willing to apologize for apologists for Hamas, right. They're 966 01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:12.479 willing to turn another you know, the to let to defend Hamas doing what 967 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:15.079 they did, or at least not to condemn them. And and that's almost 968 01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:21.079 as bad, right, So I think you give them too much credit. 969 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:30.199 I don't think the issue here is that they lack experience of actual Palestinian culture 970 01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:34.199 in Palestine and therefore can condemn it. I mean, anybody who reads can 971 01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:38.239 read about what's going on there. You don't need to actually live there to 972 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.039 know that if you speak up against the Palestinian authority, never mind against Hamas, 973 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:45.920 not good your life is going to be is going to be pretty horrible 974 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:50.840 if you if you're if you're an atheist, God help you, right. 975 01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:58.159 Uh you know and and and you know these are not secrets. October seventh 976 01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:03.239 is not a secret if you gay and you're Palestinian in that in the West 977 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:08.479 Bank or in Gaza, people know exactly what happens to you. This isn't 978 01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:12.119 there're no secrets here, right, And by the way, same thing as 979 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:14.239 to a Saudi Arabia. I mean, we talked about Saudi Arabia. Right. 980 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:16.319 Beware if you're an atheist in Saudi Arabia. Beware if you're gay in 981 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:20.439 Saudi Arabia. Right. So that's why I'm hesitant to embrace the Saudis and 982 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:28.039 pretend that they are friends of civilization. So I don't think you can. 983 01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.079 I don't think you can do that. Look, I mean, I've said 984 01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:34.199 this a few times, but I think it's it's worth repeating. The only 985 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:39.359 way to deal with this is to argue for a positive we've got. I 986 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:43.199 mean, part of the problem is that we don't embrace what it means to 987 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:46.439 be American, what it means to have American values, what those values are. 988 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:51.279 And those values are universal values. They're not unique to some particular people 989 01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:56.279 that happen to be born in America, right, They're universal values. The 990 01:31:56.479 --> 01:32:01.720 values of individualism, the values of personal responsibility, of reason and applying reason 991 01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:06.479 and therefore a free speech and and and and and and the willingness to debate 992 01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:12.840 and discuss on the basis of reason, accepting reason as a guide to truth. 993 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:16.720 Right, those are the values that we need to promote, promote, 994 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:19.600 and those are the values that are not being promoted at universities. And that's 995 01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:25.119 the challenge. And as long as that's the case, there is no there 996 01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:30.880 is no magic solution. The solution is educate with the right ideas. Educate 997 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:34.760 with the ideas of the Enlightenment. Individualism and reason. Those are the cause 998 01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:42.720 fundamental values I believe of what is Western civilization. The good in Western civilization 999 01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:46.199 is reason and individualism, and that's what we need to fight for. And 1000 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:53.560 only on that basis what we see kind of a rebirth of a positive civilization. 1001 01:32:53.840 --> 01:33:01.920 Thank you, Thank you, doctor Brook. And I'd like to thank 1002 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:08.359 everybody who came tonight, especially those people who came not agreeing with what they 1003 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:11.560 expected to be heard said here tonight, and who may be leaving not expecting 1004 01:33:11.800 --> 01:33:16.760 or not agreeing, but who took this evening as an opportunity to hear a 1005 01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:19.600 point of view different from your own, to argue with it, and to 1006 01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:25.239 do it within the bounds of the principles and protocols that make discussions like this 1007 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.199 possible. I hope we've all learned something and I look forward to seeing you 1008 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:30.159 at future events. Thank you all Hire