Second hour of the program of Welcome into Actions and bros who spent the first
hour. You know, I'm sure much to the dismay of some because I
get it on on social media where they get tired of the discussing of Tigers
baseball. I guess my response to them has always been okay, and we
can do Wimbledon if you want. We can check that out. I mean,
there's a lot of other international things you want to do, the co
America thing, you know, thek America Cup soccer. I don't know how
long that conversation is going to go, but you know, feel free.
I mean, give us a call, let us know what you think.
Who's going to win Wimbledon doubles? All right? My hotline eighty six six
eighty three. It's July, shep. I mean, happy, happy fourth
is July, by the way to everybody. But isn't that part of the
problem kind of what you're alluding to here is that people don't want to talk
about how bad the Tigers are and what the problems actually are. They want
to just bury it. You know what, Trent, Here's the thing.
I've never been a guy who wants to dwell on the negative no glass half
full. Yeah, I mean, I think the easiest I say this about
this business all the time. I don't care if it's television or radio.
I don't care if it's a podcast or whatever. The easiest thing to do
is open up a microphone and start complaining. I truly believe there are some
people in this line of work who root against certain teams so they can do
just that. It's the old cliche shop negativity cells. Absolutely, there's no
doubt about it. That is not the point of my discussion or my summer
long discussion regarding the Tigers, because I told you, if you wanted somebody
here to be positive, I told you I thought they were going to win
the division. I am not angry that I am going to be wrong.
I've been wrong before. I'll be wrong again, so will you. What
I'm angry about, And I said this before the season began. I was
concerned about how the team is built. And I'm even more convinced that I
was right to have that high level concern. It is not built well,
and I worry about the direction. What I used to complain about with Alavila
in charge was the fact that they were protecting people on the forty man roster
that nobody else would take, and they're doing it again, and they're trying
to just plug little holes in the dam. But the dam is bursting and
it's pretty obvious. So I know. We get some texts, right Trent
ye fire Away, Well, we've got one that's pretty critical of Scott Harris
says. I thought Harris was brought in to fix a Vila so called mess.
Instead, he re signed aj Boring, signed a Villa's guy to a
big contract that never saw an MLB batt depended on two of Avila's main guys,
Torku and Green. Green is Steve Kemp or Champ Summers at best good
not great. He needs to trade Green and Scooball to build around his guys
and his timeline. Wow, interesting take. That is an interesting take.
I don't agree with it, but I think it's it's well thought out.
I agree with half of it. How's that it's passionate. I do not
agree that Riley Green is Champ Summers. First of all, Riley Green can
play some defense, all right. And by the way, Riley Green's got
a career high sixteen home runs. Not that I'm sitting here telling you that
that's enough. I'm just saying that I think Riley Green is finding his way
all right. Champ Summers was a defensive liability and never hit for average except
for maybe a year or two. I'd have to look up exactly what Champ
Summers was all about. But he's a two fifty lifetime hitter. Okay,
so let's let's be careful on what we're who were comparing people to. It
may remind you of a time gone by where it was that case. But
and Steve Kemp, I mean, to the Texter's point, Steve Kemp was
a hell of a player at USC and he was the first overall pick.
What draft it's mid seventies, I don't quite recall. But Steve Kemp,
I mean, come on, Steve Kemp didn't didn't have what Riley Green has
athletically. I don't believe. Hey shep for the record Champs Summers stats with
the Tigers. I mean, his batting average is three seasons, three thirteen,
two ninety seven fifty five. So by that token, just patting average
alone, it's it's a so this Texters point, it's a fair What's what's
his lifetime for his career? He hit two fifty five. Okay, so
I was pretty damn close. Yeah yeah. Let me ask you this.
I bet you he never hit more than twenty home runs once in his career.
I'm guessing he hit twenty one one time. Okay, so that was
a career high. The twenty one, yes, yeah, Steve Kemp might
be a better comparison. He wasn't as athletic as as Riley Green, and
Riley Green's been. You know, he's it's three years, this is his
third year. You want to trade Riley Green at age twenty three? Age
twenty three, who's starting to come into his own. No thanks, I'll
keep him. It does bring up He's what the Texter has texted. Does
make me wonder a little bit. When a general manager comes in, are
you supposed to get rid of everybody from the previous regime. I'm just wondering.
We'll again use the series that I watched yesterday, America's game. Later
on, they were talking about the nineteen eighty two Washington Redskins. They were
going in order, seventy four Steelers they won the Super Bowl, seventy five
Steelers won the Super Bowl, seventy six Raiders they won the Super Bowl.
I went away for a little bit, came back, saw the end of
the eighty one nine Ers and then the eighty two Redskins. What was interesting
about that is that they had brought in Joe Gibbs, and the belief was
Joe Gibbs did not want the Old Guard, didn't want Mark Moseley, didn't
want Joe. Jacobe didn't want Joe. Thiseman, didn't want John Riggins.
Thiseman, his story, drove over to Gibbs's house and said, you and
I need to talk. Gibbs didn't want Thigsman. They end up winning the
Super Bowl with thiseman. I think good managers and good general managers, they
don't feel like they've got to wipe the slit the slate clean. Sometimes it's
good to know who to keep. You're not going to just whitewash the entire
team because they weren't quote unquote your guys. Yeah, I'm sure the first
thing at Jenial ro manager does when he's hired on the job, as he
comes in, he looks right at the roster, and then it's your job
to evaluate what you want to hang on to. Of course, but you
one asks that you couldn't get rid of all of it anyway if you wanted
to. It makes absolutely no sense. And if if you want to use
that philosophy, then you should get rid of Trek suble Terrek Scuble too,
just because he's from the Old Guard. If that's your philosophy, then when
Chuck Day came in with the Pistons, he should have gotten rid of Isaiah
Thomas. Yeah, should Trajan Langdon get rid of Kay Cunningham. He's Troy
Weavers guy, I guess. So why would Steve Eiseman? Why did Steve
Eisaman keep Dylan Larkin? Right? And of course we're asking all these questions
rhetorically right, but it's it just you can't you can't have that mindset.
I'm going to get rid of all the guys that Alavilla brought in because here's
the thing. Not everybody was terrible, So you're going to keep some of
them, right. It's up to you to decide, and I'm sure the
Texter feels the same way. It's up to you to decide who is worthy
of keeping, who can you build around? And then there's that balance.
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had a good holiday, listen. I don't know. We say it's a
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which is a special holiday, one of the most special for all of
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Good for them. You go out and you get Tarasenko. It's a little
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opinion on our poll question from Wednesday. We're going to give you the results
in the eight o'clock hour. We've got some techs that I want to finish
up with. Before the bottom of the hour, we'll dive into some football.
I did have something yesterday that I really, I really wanted to get
into with folks and see what they see, what they think, not just
about what I was watching, but perhaps some of their favorite teams and why
those teams were even if you weren't a fan of them, what you appreciated
most. Anyway, we'll get into that at seven thirty five. Let me
get to some techs, Trent, what else we got? Well, someone's
coming to the defense of the person who made the Champ Summers Steve Kemp comparison
for Riley Green. They say, how many times has Champ Summers and Steve
Kemp been hurt? Riley Green will end up with twenty five to twenty eight
home runs yearly, that is weeks of no home runs while going two for
twenty or on the il that is Riley good, not great, good,
not great? Okay, was Steve kemper Champ Summers great? And just out
of curiosity? When when did you decide on how good or great they were?
Like, Steve Kemp had a really good season in nineteen seventy nine,
hit three eighteen, had twenty six homers and one hundred and five RBIs by
the way, I mean when he finished his career in New York and Pittsburgh,
he wasn't playing every day he was hurt in nineteen eighty one. Okay,
people act like all these guys are are constantly there are never hurt.
That Riley Green's the only one to ever get hurt. And Riley Green is
still He's only twenty three. It's not like he's injury prone. Remember when
he hurt his foot, he legged it into a triple. It was in
a spring training game against the Yankees. I was there at it. I
mean, it's not as if he's Byron Buxton and getting hurt every single year.
There's some other problem with Riley Green today, Folks be careful. I
don't know how. I don't know the injury history with Champ Summers, but
let me read you the number of games he played. So either there are
two things. Either he's injured or he wasn't good enough to play. Champ
Summers played twenty games, seventy six games, eighty three games, fifty nine
games, twenty seven games, No, my bad, seventy nine. He
played one hundred and seventeen. The most games he ever played in a career
was one hundred and twenty. He only played one hundred games or more twice
in his career. In his eleven year career. Now you may say,
well, Riley Green hasn't played one hundred games because he's been injured he's twenty
three years old. Man, that's it. Champ Summers, by the way,
didn't play his first major league ga untill he's twenty eight. You're going
to compare Riley Green to Champ Summers. I think it's a ridiculous comparison.
Yeah, clearly this Texter is just disgusted with Riley Green and chet By the
way, if you want to play, look, if you want to if
you want to compare him to Steve Kemp, Okay, that's fine. Again.
I think Riley Green's much more athletic than Steve Kemp. Steve Kemp was
an incredible college baseball player. Steve Kemp came to Detroit, played his first
major league game at the age of twenty two, and was very good for
the first three years four years of his career. I would take the production
Steve Kemp gave you, I would get if Riley Green gave you that,
I would take it in a heart beat. Because he hit with power twenty
six homers twenty one homers in back to back years, and he drove in
runs over one hundred RBIs in each of those two years, and his batting
average, for what it's worth, was two ninety years better. I would
take that at age twenty four and twenty five from Steve Kemp. Just remember
this, Steve Kemp when he was twenty three, same age as Riley Green.
Right now, Ryley Green's already hit more homers than Steve Kemp did that
entire season, and Steve Kemp played one hundred and fifty nine games. If
you're going to compare things based on what you think, you see or what
you believe is most appropriate, I'm just trying to help you out a little
bit with the numbers, because sometimes, unfortunately, baseball is driven by numbers.
Again, I'm not going to say you're wrong. I think he's more
athletic than Steve Kemp, but I do believe if you look at the numbers,
I'm giving you some stuff that you can use moving forward. I would
take him at the age of twenty four and the age of twenty five,
when Steve Kemp was highly productive. I don't think it's fair to compare them
right now, considering the minimal amount of experience Riley Green has so far.
This is year number three. He's going to play over one hundred games this
year. He played ninety nine last year. The first year was really unfortunate.
So I'm not making excuses for him. I'm just telling you, this
dude is really athletic. He's a much better defensive player than Steve Kemp,
and I think offensively, I think he's going to be a better hitter,
but I understand the comparison early on in their careers. What were you gonna
say, Trent, sorry about that? No, I was just going to
say I didn't really have Steve Kemp and Champ Summers on my Bengal card this
morning when I woke up and I was wondering what we were going to talk
about today. But I will say this to your point that you're just making
and year three for Steve Kemp, because obviously it's year three for Riley Green.
Steve Kemp wasn't All Star and he did hit three eighteen, So if
that's your bar, I think that kind of coincides with our theme this morning,
ship, which is it's okay to expect a little more. But I
also think it doesn't need to go so far in the other direction, the
other extreme, where we want to burn it down and ship Riley Green out
of here. Well, and here's I guess here's the other thing. If
your takeaway, if your takeaway from this Tigers season so far that is eighty
seven games deep and nine games under five hundred, is that Riley Green needs
to be shipped out, then you have missed on everything this team has done
wrong every so far this year. Now, I'm not asking you to read,
absorb, and believe all that you're reading about Riley Green and the media
where they're saying he's a legitimate All Star candidate. He's a legitimate All Star
candidate for Detroit. I'm not saying he's an All Star. I'm just telling
you I think he's been their most consistent and best everyday player. Terry School
has been their best overall player, and I want him on my team.
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three and the text line is sports Radio to twenty one thousand. I know
we get another text before we move into a different topic. So let's bang
that out, Trent, what's the text say? Tuxer says, Oh,
yeah, Cade Cunningham is a real leader. He let his team play while
losing, and he sat and watched. Yeah, people question leadership. I'm
losing teams, and rightfully so. I think Kate Cunningham could have played,
but I think management kept him from playing. Now, there's a part of
you immediately says, what that wouldn't happen with me. You would say I
would demand I play. I get it. I don't think that necessarily makes
him a bad leader. If he's doing what his management tells him to do.
Frustrating, and I'm gonna be honest with you, it's hard to argue
it really is. I'm reminded of this, and this kind of leads into
my next topic. As I watched America America's game on NFL Network yesterday,
you learn on these on a lot of this stuff. Terry Bradshaw was horrible
early on in his Pittsburgh Steelers' career. Players set it, whether it be
Dwight White, me and Joe Green, whomever. Players set it and management
set it, and it's hard to argue they didn't win. He was considered
a poor leader, and yet he became a Hall of Fame quarterback who never
lost in four Super Bowl tries. He became a really important piece to the
Steelers dynasty three and five his rookie year with a league high twenty four picks,
five and eight, the following season with twenty two interceptions, and then
look what happened. Suddenly he finds himself, His team becomes an outstanding team
and really the measuring stick for all teams. He eventually wins an MVP,
He's a three time pole bowler and becomes a Hall of Fame quarterback. The
early judgment on him in today's day and age would have been he's a bad
leader. Fast forward a couple of years Washington Redskins. Joe Thiseman there was
remember there was a lockout in football. Players didn't like what they were being
offered. They had had enough. So I believe it was nineteen eighty two.
You know what Joe Thiseman did. Joe Teiseman brought his players together while
there was while there was a lockout, and they practiced. He organized it.
He went from being a guy who was not necessarily considered a leader,
but more of a me too guy, all about me, me me.
He went from that guy to being a leader. So you can change.
You can change perception. You can be changed from within your own locker room
and being a guy who on a team that wasn't very good suddenly became pretty
damn good and then you forget about that stuff. Let's hope Kate Cunningham can
do that with the Pistons. I'm not going to tell you whether or not
to think the guy's a great leader or not, all right, I mean,
you have an opinion. I respect your opinion. It's based on your
perception and what you've seen. I can tell you players believe in him,
if that helps you. I believe that players respond to him, and the
coaches do too. I think sports, especially in basketball, we can be
either deceived or when you look at it, it's a it's an acknowledgment of
what you originally thought about a player. And that is because you see so
many coaches talk about how great their player may be, and almost you feel
like they're almost making excuses for them. And so when coaches are defending their
guy, you're like, come on, man, I mean I can watch
it too. I can see from my own eyes. Don't tell me that
it's a fake real Don't tell me that it's fake video. I see it,
I watch it. I recognize it too. Give me some credit for
having that type of opinion. So I understand that, I really do,
and I appreciate the text very much. I'm not going to knock him as
a leader yet. There it's it's pretty damn hard leading really bad teams.
Ask anybody Archie Manning was a really good quarterback, folks, but his teams
sucked. Does that mean does that mean he wasn't a very good leader?
Sometimes it's down to Sometimes it's down to whether or not you got some talent,
right, mikeses Mike Trout a bad leader? Yeah, right? Well,
quite honestly, I think it's a good example. But that's a tough
example because he is so good. There is a time where he's the greatest
player in the world and one of the greatest of all time. But they
didn't. Actually, there's a lot of people who do knock his leadership because
he is not as vocal and he is not doing the things that many people
feel the leader should be. Folks, we all lead in different ways.
What what do you consider leadership or what do you consider answer this? What
do you consider a great leader to do or be? What is it what's
the most important part of a leader? What is it you have to do
to prove you're a really good leader? Great leaders? Some coach gave this
outstanding quote. Great leaders are not the best at everything. They find people
who are the best at different things and get them all on the same team.
Let me say that again. Great leaders are not the best at everything.
They find people who are the best at different things and get them all
on the same team. That's pretty damn good, pretty damn good. Well,
and just quickly shep I mean to your point about players believing in kid.
We can circle back on this. This Piston season gets a lot closer
but the new GM comes in the first big movie makes is to extend him
for two hundred and twenty six million dollars. I mean he believes in him
as well. So I would kindly suggest to pump the brakes on the Caid
Cunningham criticism. I think what Trajan Langdon has done early on speaks volumes.
Yeah, they also recognize perhaps that you've got to have a building base,
and perhaps maybe there's guys who are just not going to They don't feel like
certain guys are going to come here, right. Yeah. I don't like
being who said it, Kirby Smart. Don't be a blame guy. That's
the first sign of a loser mentality when you blame somebody else for a mistake.
And I don't think the thing that endured Joe Montana so much to the
San Francisco forty nine Ers fan base and players was, and I think Dwight
Clark and Randy Cross said this, was that he accepted responsibility for everything,
even though it wasn't his fault. So there's an interception and the coaches are
breaking down film and they're blaming it on the receiver in Montana goes, now,
that's my bad. I did this, there's a fumbled snap, which
is usually the center's fault. Joe Montana was saying, No, I pulled
out too early. That's my fault. It's not on Randy. Players recognize
that stuff. That's what I love about watching some of the old films from
those teams. It takes me away from the look at me, the self
acknowledgment phase of sports, which is today. It's a part of me that
feels kind of bad for my kids and even the kids growing up right now.
All it is is the look at me moment. I shouldn't say that's
a lot of it is the look at me moment, and then you get
the kids doing the exact same thing. It's all about me because I saw
it on TV, or I saw it when I went to the ballpark or
the arena or the stadium. I see what they're doing. So I'm going
to do the same thing. Go watch film of Franco Harris or Roger Craig
and see what they did. OJ Simpson, Marcus Allen, these are the
guys I'm sitting here watching from a year ago. I'm thinking wow. Or
from yesterday on America's Game on the NFL Network, I'm thinking, man,
those guys were so flipping good, so humble, and yet entertaining. I
think we've fallen into a trap where it's in order for you to be not
boring, in order for you to be entertaining, you got to show pizzazz
and you got to show some attitude and all this other stuff. And that's
fine. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying, don't give me,
don't tell me that. Oh, let them be kids. Those guys
back then they were kids too. It just wasn't the look at me moment.
It was about their team more than anything else. That's what I thought
was the beauty of it. Now it's more about look at me, everybody.
I'm going to point to the back of my jersey. We've always been
told that the name on the front of the jersey is a hell of a
lot more important than the name on the back, Is it really not?
When you're sitting there pointing, not when you're want you're you're fifteen seconds of
fame, So you can parley that into a big deal and so on and
so and get what you can, I suppose, but stop with the you
know what, I really I don't like the individualism and sport. Well,
then you turn around and you complain to me that you want to show personality.
I think you can have both. I don't know what it changed,
but I think you can have both. Loved watching that stuff yesterday. One
of the things that I recognized was I think it was the seventy five Steelers.
They had nine members of their defense, nine make the Pro Bowl.
All three of their linebackers, Lambert, Ham and Russell were first team All
Pro. That's how good they were. When people talk about the great teams
in football, and I get the you know, the affinity for the Baltimore
Ravens with Ray Lewis and Rod Woodson and Eric Reid and those guys, I
understand that, all right. And I understand the Chicago Bears from nineteen eighty
five when they dominated the Steelers defense. When I was the Steelers defense,
everyone talked about the you know, the terrible towel defense. The guys up
front, the steel Curtain was their nickname, with Greenwood and green and Homes,
those guys up front and Dwight White, those are the four defensive linemen.
Their entire defense was incredible. Their linebackers were outstanding. All three of
them, Jack Ham out of Penn State, Jack Lambert out of Kemp State,
and Andy Russell. Andy Russell didn't get nearly enough credit. Phenomenal player
Mel Blunt was outstanding. It was the team MVP in seventy five. Their
best player Glenn Edwards. He had in so many good players, but they
had nine guys. Now, when I look at that team, I think
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