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This is Unsolved with Steve Gregory. In this episode, we get to know
Terry Rasmussen, a man born in Arizona, lived in California, and died
in prison. Rasmussen's story has been told many times by many TV and media
outlets, But for the next couple hours, a retired investigator from the San
Bernardino County Sheriff's Department breaks down the highlights of Rasmussen's killing spree and ends with
a connection to an unsolved case out of Anaheim and tell you up front this
case is complicated. It's got many layers and you're going to be a little
confused in the beginning, but stay until the end. As retired investigator Peter
Headley tells us about the case of the Killer Conman, Yes, in nineteen
eighty six, our department was contacted by mister Missus Decker and they had been
staying in the Holiday host RV park and there was a guy there going by
the name Gordon Jensen that had a approximate five year old girl with him that
he said was his daughter. They knew something was wrong. She was crying
at night, not well kempt, and they threw out the idea to him
that hey, our daughter can't have kids, she'd like to adopt. What
do you think and he ended up saying, yeah, here, take her
on a trial adoption. So they took the child known as Lisa back to
where they lived here in our jurisdiction, and that's when they realized she'd been
molested. So they contacted our department and that's when we had first contact with
this Gordon Jensen, and a report was generated for child abandonment because he said
he was her father, and child molestation. So first of all, that's
very unusual. And where is Scott's Valley, California, Central California. But
so in this RV park, you're saying, then a couple that was staying
next to this, Gordon Jensen, offered to take the child to give to
their daughter as an adoption. I know, we're kind of going forward a
little bit, but is that because they thought that was the best thing for
the child because they actually saw that things were not well for the kid.
Yeah, she was not well kept. Her and her alleged father were actually
living in a campershell on the back of a pickup truck on the RV park.
He was a handyman working on the RV park for his rent and they
just they knew something was off, so they were sort of rescuing the child,
inadvertently rescuing the child. But wouldn't that big red flag be that he
just handed over the child like that. That's a big red flag, isn't
it. At the time, they didn't think much of it. They were
just thinking about the child's welfare. So then you're made aware of it here
in San Bernardino County and what was the next step? Investigation was opened because
it was another jurisdiction what you have to do as a courtesy report. So
we investigated the whole case and then contacted the jurisdiction where it occurred and gave
them the report, and they were the ones that actually entered the the arrest
warrant for him. So he was arrested in Central California. Now, actually
he left the RV park when they went back there to try to contact him,
he was gone where they find him. Eventually he contact was made again
in nineteen eighty eight and San Luis Obispoe County and he was arrested driving a
stolen car out of Idaho. Wow. So there's a lot here going on.
So just to recap, you get the call from this man and woman
who have now taken possession of this young girl named Lisa right and they say
that they realize that there that the girl was uncamped, possibly sexually abused,
and generates a report. They put out an arrest warrant for him in Central
California, and but he's nowhere to be found. He's later found in Idaho,
is that correct? Actually in San Luis Obispo County, California, with
a stolen car out of Idahoo. It sounds like we're gonna have to keep
track of a lot of things here, right, Yeah, this is a
big case. So then, um, meanwhile, what's the disposition of the
girl? She was taken into child protective services and was eventually adopted out to
that couple, someone else, to someone else, so she went into the
care of the county. Yes, now, so you've got to find this
guy. You track him down in San Louis Obispo. What happened next?
He pled out to child abandonment charges. The adopted parents did not want her
to have to testify, so charges were just child abandonment and of course the
stolen car, So he pled out to those and he served about a year
and a half and then in nineteen ninety he got out on parole and immediately
absconded. Were you on this case at this point? No? What did
you know about this guy? When you say absconded, he took off thing
clearly, But what did you know about this guy? I mean, did
you learn anything about him? Or did the detectives learn anything about him back
then? Yet? Actually, when they first did the investigation, Cliff Harris
was a detective from Crimes against Shoulder and who did a very thorough job.
He actually took apart some audio equipment that he had es Gordon Jensen had worked
on and got fingerprints in side of the equipment. With those fingerprints, it
came back to a different name, Curtis Kimball. And under the name Curtis
Kimball, he had been in the Anaheim area, southern California. Back in
nineteen eighty five. He'd crashed a car with Lisa in the car, so
he was arrested for a child endangerment back then in drunk driving, and he
had fled from those charges, so he still had warrants for his arrest from
that case. So this guy was a career criminal of sorts exactly. So
now the guys out what happens next. The next time he's contacted is by
Contra Coasta County and he had started a relationship with Unston June. He worked
as a handyman and the Contra Coasta County area and her friend, Renee Rose,
had reported her missing. He reported Unston June missing, so detectives went
and contacted him and he was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll
talk to you. And while they were talking to him, now we have
live scan his fingerprints came back while he's still sitting there. Previous to that,
it could take a day or two for fingerprints to come back. And
just to clarify live scan for people that don't know, that's that people have
to get scanned, and it's digital and there's a big database, and that's
how people get background checks to work at places and for employment purposes and things
like that. Right well, it's for fingerprinting. So you get your results
of the fingerprints back almost immediately now before it could take a day's a couple
of days. I'm gonna pause right there because we're gonna take a break.
When we come back. There's a lot to unpack here, Pete, and
we'll get there. But first, this is Unsolved with Steve Gregory on kf
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This is Unsolved. We're speaking with Pete Headley is a retired deputy with
the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, also a member of the Crimes against Children's
Unit. Back many years ago, picked up a case involving a young girl.
But this case would turn out to be more complicated, more complex,
and it would span across the country. And we're dealing with one individual who
I guess kind of reaped havoc all across the country, at least on the
West coast. So Pete. Before break, we were talking about a man
named Gordon Jensen who was in an RV park in central California and had a
young girl with named Lisa, and another couple living in the same RV park
sort of adopted her, kind of convinced him to hand her over as a
means to sort of rescue her. And come to find out, the girl
was not very well kept. She was sort of abused and abandoned, sexually
abused, and he was arrested, he was let out, and now he's
making his way around on the West Coast. And when we went to break,
he had just gotten fingerprinted. A few years had gone by and he
went in for a live scan, which is a fingerprint service. What did
you discover? Then he was still being interviewed by the detectives and they asked
him if he'd submit his fingerprints, and he said, yeah, sure,
And I don't think he kept up with technology that they could get the fingerprints
back that fast now. And they were still sitting there talking to him when
the Prince came back and showed the history of his name Curtis Kimball Gordon Jensen
in his previous history and that he was a Pearlee at large and at that
point under Pearle terms, they could go search the house that he was staying
at, which was Unsten June's, who had been reported missing by her friend
Renee Rose. And when they went out to the house to search, they
discovered Unston's body and the basement. She'd been head bloodgeon partially dismembered, and
he'd covered her with pounds and pounds of kiddy litter. So didn't what didn't
what happened to him. He was arrested for her murder, and he was
actually going to plead not guilty, and we believe he overheard Roxane Grundhide,
the detective at the time, talking about looking at his previous history, who's
Lisa, who is just really his kid? This doesn't make sense and I'm
going to dig into this, And suddenly the next morning he pled out,
pled guilty and he was sentenced through instance murder, went to prison for that
and all the interviews asking about Lisa, he claimed that he drank too much,
he couldn't remember her, didn't remember having her, just wouldn't give out
any more information about her. So he went from being an abductor of children
to a murderer of women. Yes, so, but there's so much more
here. Let's go back than Pete. You know, years later, you
being in this seat now where you're retired and you can look back on this
case. Tell us about this guy. I mean, so his legal name
was Curtis Kimball, but that's what we believed at the time. That's the
furthest back name that we had then based on fingerprint correct, Okay, and
with that, but anyone can change their name, I guess and still attach
it to a fingerprint, right, yes, yeah, okay. So were
you ever able to determine who this guy was from birth? Eventually we did?
Okay, So let's go back there. When did you get the case?
Originally I picked up the case and approximately twenty twelve after he was arrested
for Unsen's murder, Roxanne grun Hide had gotten DNA testing and compared him to
Lisa, and even though he claimed he was her father, turned out they
were not related at all. And at that point she contacted our department and
said, hey, you've got a living doe case. He's not the father,
And at that point we reopened the investigation on Lisa and tried to determine
where he took her and win. So this it fractured into multiple cases all
surrounding this one guy, right yeah, yeah, so he gets on your
radar because as he has possession of this young girl, everyone assumes she was
the daughter of this guy. Come to find out that not only was she
not the daughter, but now you have to figure out where this because this
girl is with her now new adoptive parents, right correct. Okay, so
what did you do with all of that? How did you approach it?
When you when you're looking at a case going back that far, it's very
difficult. You're trying to find people, backtrack to suspect further. People have
died, people forgot. At one point, one of the phone calls who
made at the RV part from a pay phone was to an RV park in
Texas, and I figured, all right, I'm a step further back on
where he was and when? And I found the owner of the RV park
in Texas, and he kept all the records of everybody that lived there,
so I figured somebody there knew him. I'm many years further back now,
but he had sold the RV park to Kaway. When I contacted them,
they took all those records and threw them out. So it can feel like
you're beating your head against a wall sometimes when you're working a cold case.
Eventually, did you find anything out? I mean, where did it take
you from there? I mean when you hit your wall against a head,
or you hit your head against wall, rather what our next steps. I
was familiar with Ancestry from one of my friends that had medically retired. He
was bored and he lived across the street from a warm in church and he'd
been helping them with records, putting together family trees. And I looked at
Ancestry, but it was still a real small database initially, and I kept
in touch with Lisa, telling her what we were doing on the case.
Told her, I'm not going to give up. We're gonna find out who
you are, so okay, So she didn't know who she was, No,
she turned out she was kidnapped at about six months old, and when
she was recoverage she was approximately five years old. Oh my gosh, So
okay, I just want to when you said that she didn't even know who
she was then no, oh okay, gosh, bless her heart. Go
ahead, then I'm sorry. Okay. Ancestry dot Com Okay. So Lisa
actually brought it up to me later and we said, what about ancestry And
this is by the end of twenty fourteen, And I looked at the database
again and EDY got a lot larger. There's a lot more people in the
database with their DNA UM. So I said, well, let's try it.
So I opened an account for we got her own ancestry, and I
got some matches. Okay, we'll talk about that, but first we got
to take a break. This is unsolved with Steve Gregory on kf I AM
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your message. Welcome back. We're speaking with Pete Headley, retired deputy from
the Sanbridadino County Sheriff's Department but also was a member of the Crimes against Children's
Unit, and he has been telling us this very complicated case that goes back
to the late eighties. And I gotta tell you, Pete, you know,
we were talking a little bit off air, and you're telling me he's
more and more about this guy, and it just I am mind blown.
I hope we do a good job on breaking this down for the public because
this is one individual who led one heck of the live and all the collateral
damage he left in his week, the trauma he caused on on so many
people. So before the break to recap, a man named Curtis Kimbell is
the last name that we had at the time, had connected with a woman
named Unsun June and it was a South Korean woman and O two. Now
this is after he had already been arrested and released for the abduction of the
young girl named Lisa from an RV park in central California. So now it
was because someone had called in a tip about unsoon missing that led you to
finding her body buried covered in cat litter by the same man, Curtis Kimball,
that also had abducted the girl Lisa years before. Am I right?
So far's it got it good? So now he's in prison, and but
you still want to go back and because you found out now because the detective
on the murder case tipped you off that you had a living Dough, a
living Jane Doe. So this young girl Lisa had absolutely no idea where she
came from, who she was. So you opened up an ancestry dot com
account and just before break you were about to tell us there was a bunch
of matches. What happens next, Well, we got distant matches, and
I started trying to figure out how to work with the trees myself. But
it's a very steep learning curve if you're not familiar with it at all.
So I did some research and I saw that DNA adoption had been helping the
adoptees find their biofamilies. So I sent them an email asking if the methods
they use would also help in this case. And it was a BARBARAE.
Venner that responded through the website. She started advising me and said, well,
you need to get her on all the sites. So we signed her
up on family Tree, DNA twenty three and me and then she jumped in
and ran with UM. And it took almost a year, but we were
able to identify Lisa using genetic genealogy. And it's the first use of genetic
genealogy by law enforcement using the full SNIP profile. What's that profile? It's
called a SNIP profile. It's your DNA profile that lets you compare how you're
related to other people. Let's stand for because I assume that's an acronym SNIP
profile. Yeah, s N I SNP S Oh sorry, okay, and
what's that stand for? I would oh sorry, we put you on the
spot. Yeah, yeah, I'd have to look at That's what people understand.
So basically, it's a it's a database. Yeah, it's a section
of your DNA that shows how you're related to other people. Got it.
It doesn't give us your medical information or any of that, right, um.
And that's what Ancestry, ft DNA and all those sites use. UM.
It's a lot more information than CODUS, the law enforcement database the law
enforcement database is a very basic profile for direct comparison. It doesn't show you
how you're related to other people. So did you find relatives of this baby
girl, Lisa? Yes, Yes, it's a complicated process. The matches
that you have, you have to build their trees back in time, and
eventually they're all going to intersect at one couple. And once you get to
that point, that's your most recent common ancestor. Then you can safely say
from that most recent common ancestor, the subject you're looking for is a descendant
of that couple. Then you have to build all the family trees down from
that couple, and that's where you start target testing. And you have to
call people up and say, hey, you're related to our victim. We
don't know how close or how distant are you willing to test? Give us
your DNA, put it into a family tree DNA, and a lot of
people back then nobody had heard about this right, and a lot of people
thought it was a scam. One lady was afraid I was going to cloner.
Yeah, it was difficult at first, and encourage people, please verify
myself, verify my department, And eventually we got more and more people target
testing and we were able to get there and what'd you find? Turned out
we had a first cousin once removed match and I contacted him and he was
able to give me a history of the family and she was actually from Manchester,
New Hampshire, and she had been taken in nineteen eighty one out of
New Hampshire. At this point I contacted Manchester Police Department, told him what
I had going on, and gave them a copy of my case file and
they opened a missing person report for Don Bowden, who was actually Lisa and
her mother, Denise Bowden. Lisa's grandfather was still alive and he was able
to tell us that his daughter with Lisa six months old back in nineteen eighty
one, had moved away with her boyfriend and they'd never heard from her again.
And that was part of what this guy was able to do. He'd
take these people and get him to leave with him, so they're voluntarily missing,
so there was never any missing person report in the past because they voluntarily
moved away. Nobody's going to take a missing person report on him. He
was very good at setting that up. So the grandfather was able to give
you more clarity than Yes, he filled us in on when and where Lisa
had been taken, and when he was shown a picture of our curd Kimball,
he identified him as his daughter's boyfriend who was going by Bob Evans back
in Campshire. Wow, another alias? H and you suppose that was ever
a real name or was that just a fake name? Also? Okay,
so when we come back, we are now adding another name to this long
list of aliases from this guy that we started as as Curtis Kimball. For
the sake of the show today, but when we come back, I want
to talk about what were you able to get a path of what happened after
Bob Evans and his girlfriend and then the girlfriend's daughter Lisa. Were you able
to get a pattern of where they went? Yes? Okay, good,
hold on to that thought. When we come back, we'll talk more with
Pete Hedley. But first, this is Unsolved with Steve greg Ryan camp I
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Unsolved. Welcome back. We're talking with Pete Headley. He is a retired
detective from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. We're actually out in San Bernardino
County. Pete used to be a member of the Crimes against Children's unit at
the department and he picked a case up in twenty twelve that has stuck with
him all these years. It's the case of Lisa. Actually, you called
it the who am I Lisa? Case? Correct? Why? Why?
Why? I mean? Who am I Lisa? Because she literally did not
know who was where she came from, which brings us now to right before
the break, you said that you had gone through this tedious task of giving
young Lisa an ancestry dot Com account because you didn't realize that she did not
have a pass that you could could map out, and because a homicide detective
tied to the case of as we know, Curtis Kimball at the time,
discovered that Curtis Kimball is the one that had possession of Lisa at an RV
park back in the late eighties, and you were able to use ancestry dot
Com to trace Lisa's origins back to New Hampshire and they were able to track
down her grandfather the grandfather told you after showing a picture of who you thought
was Curtis Kimball. The grandfather said, oh, that's Bob Evans, the
boyfriend of my daughter, and they took off. Is that about right?
That's right, okay, so pick it up from there, okay. Lisa's
grandfather had said that he was spreading stories around that they owed money to people,
bad people, to some. He insinuated that it was drug dealers.
So when they moved away, suddenly nobody thought anything of it. But then
as time went on they never heard from her again. But again he was
very good at setting him up as a voluntary missing so there was never any
missing person report. So at that time New Hampshire Manchester, New Hampshire Police
Department generated a missing person report for both of them. Don Bowden was a
daughter, was Lisa, and Denise Boden was her mother. Denise is still
missing out there. I'm sure she's dead. He dumped her somewhere, but
her remains have not been found yet. Now, I had been working on
the Lisa case with NECMEC, which is a National Center for Missing and Exploited
Children, and they told me, hey, there's another case down the road
that has similar m for four murder victims. It was head bludgeoning and partial
dismemberment that were left in barrels near bear Brook State Park. And you really
need to talk to New Hampshire State Police. So I got in touch with
them and we started comparing notes and started connecting dots between now Bob Evans and
the bear Brook murders. And then we got the freeway connector doing DNA testing.
The one child in the barrel that was unrelated to the other three victims
was his bio child, So it was this Bob Evans biochild, correct,
So he presumably killed his own child, yes, okay, And as far
as where her mother is, odds are she's dead too. And then they
started working on identifying the woman and her two daughters that were in the barrels.
Also, Barbara ray Vnter worked with them also on that um And there's
there's a lot of private sluice out there that do research. And Barbara had
been putting together a family tree on the victims and at about the same time
let me pull up her name as Rebecca Heath that contacted me and she'd seen
on family Finder that people these folk were looking for their sister that had two
daughters, and the time frame match, the ages matched, And when I
talked to Barbara, she already had the name of that person in her tree.
It was Marley's honey Church and her two daughters that was Marie and Sarah.
And it turned out that was who those victims were in the barrels and
the barrels. Yes. Wow, So now this guy we went from Curtis
Kimball to Bob Evans, and Bob Evans might have been tied. Now let
me ask you, then, this is all after the fact, This is
after he's already in prison. Is he still in prison at this point?
He died in prison in two thousand and ten, Okay, so he's he's
Oh, he died in two thousand and ten. Okay. So then you
picked up the case of Lisa two years after he already died. So you
were just trying to give Lisa's enclosure, yes, okay, got it,
Okay, But then he died in two thousand and ten. Now, all
this new information about New Hampshire, when did that come out? When were
you discovering all of that? And it was March twenty fifteen that I contacted
Barbara Raventter, and it was until the next year, nineteen eighty six,
that we placed her back in New Hampshire and actually identified her as don Bowden.
Okay, so this is all this was all after he's dead and gone,
correct. Okay, so this is all about for you now, Pete.
This sounds like this is all really about closure and just just getting to
the truth and settling all of this, right, yeah, Okay, yeah,
because it just sounds like every time you, you know, you go
through another door, another door shuts, another one opens, and it just
seems I can't ever catch up or did any of this. At what point
were you just shaking your head, going this can't be real. It was
just a matter of keep digging. What else is there? Obviously there's a
lot more to this, and we had since we had him leaving New Hampshire
in nineteen eighty one, and he showed up in Anaheim, Southern California in
nineteen eighty four. We had a three year gap there and we didn't know
where he had been, but we were getting a feel for what his mo
was by that point, and he would befriend a young single mom with kids,
and he'd have a child from the previous victim, and he'd be playing
the poor mey single dad. And when you say he had a child,
he would he would abduct that child. Basically right, he wasn't having his
own birth children. Well, at one point he did, only the one
that you say was found in the barrel. Yeah, okay, But but
his emi moving forward is that he was literally picking up these single moms with
children, killing the mom and taking the child. Yeah. Once he had
totally had control of this person, isolated them from their family. Once he
looks like he got bored with toy in with them and lay and physically he'd
kill the woman. The youngest child he'd take with them, and he'd used
that youngest child as to come on to the next victim. Poordny said his
dad. In the meantime, he's blessed in a torturing the kid and Marles
Enter two kids were actually from from southern California, and he had isolated him
from their family and moved him across the country to New Hampshire and New Hampshire
and ended up killing them there. When we come back, I want to
find out what the connection is between Bob Evans and New Hampshire. But first
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record your message. Welcome back. We're speaking with Pete Headley. We're in
San Brendardino County and Pete is a retired deputy from the San Brendardino County Sheriff's
Department who was a member of the Crimes against Children's Unit. He's telling us
about a case. It takes us back to nineteen eighty six, but he
picked up the case in twenty twelve. He's been trying all this time to
give some closure to a young back then was a young girl who had been
abducted by a man who's gone by a number of different names. And in
the process, Pete's been talking about how he's been There's just been this parallel
thing going on where he's trying to figure out who Lisa is, her background,
but also at the same time this man with multiple identities about where he
came from and the crimes that he committed along the way. Before break,
you were talking a lot about the connection with New Hampshire, and you know,
we started at the beginning of the show with a man that you identified
as actually you identified him as Curtis Kimball, and then we find out he
went from Curtis Kimball to Bob Evans and one of the things along the way
is that you were trying to figure out who this guy really was. He
ended up being arrested and put into prison, and he died in You said
twenty ten, died in prison, but he because he was convicted for the
murder of a woman that he befriended and duped. Whoo, Pete, did
you ever find out who the heck this guy is or who he was?
Eventually we did. He had died in prison in twenty ten. The policy
at that time in High Desert President where he was was if there was no
family, they would cremate him dumped the ashes out to sea. So I
thought were dead ended. But I went back to the m E who did
his autopsy and they saved a blood card. We were able to get that
and get a snip profile, and using the same methods as we used on
Lisa, we were able to identify him positively as Terry Rasmussen. Terry Rasmussen,
so we write that one down. So that's another name, and so
this we're talking about genealogical DNA, correct, right, Okay, Terry Rasmussen.
So then did that open up some doors for you? Yeah? At
that point I forwarded everything to New Hampshire State Police, and they contacted his
family that he had been, that he had when he was under his real
name, Terry Rasmussen, his birth name, and they were still alive.
What members of his family were still alive? All of them really? That
his wife that he was married to under the rasmus a name. They had
three kids, two girls, a boy. And when his wife he was
abusive to them also obviously, and when she found out that he was abusing
one of the kids, that's when she said, we're getting divorced. That's
it. She took the kids and ran Otherwise, I told him you'd all
be did too. Wow. And then were they able to give you any
other insight on him other than other than that? Or did you learn anything
else from other family members that were his parents still alive? No parents were
dead. We did have places that he actually lived at that point. Then
once we had his real name, we were able to look at where he
was born, where he went to high school, etc. And track him.
Now way, did you learn anything about him growing up? I mean,
did you find out anything about what would possess a guy to do the
things he did? I had him profiled further back in the case by a
forensic psychologist that I'd worked with. It was really good and he as the
case progressed, everything he had told me was very accurate. One of the
things that he'd said was, if you could go back far enough in time,
this guy tortured animals as a kid, and he started killing at an
early age, which I believe that looking back over the case kind of desensitized
him. He just there was no care for life. Right. Yeah.
It again, when you go to people that are torturing animals, they're probably
just going to look at people as things for their entertainment, and when they
get bored with torturing them, then they'd kill them. So you tracking back,
and this was all in New Hampshire, right, He grew up in
New Hampshire. Now, actually he was born in Colorado and he went to
high school in Arizona. Oh, my gosh, born in Colorado, went
to high school in Arizona. And then he didn't complete high school and he
went in the Navy and that's where he was trained as an electrician. Wow.
So when did it become a Southern California connection for him from the Navy
you think, or how did he get into the southern California area. UM
difficult to say. Well, he was actually living in the Bay Area with
his family, bunch family, under the Rasmussen name, under the Rasmussen name,
Okay, under his legal name, the birth name, and so he
was in the Bay Area. So that's so. Where was the New Hampshire
connection? How did it? How did it? How did he go from
the Bay Area on the west coast? How did you end up in New
Hampshire any idea? I don't know if he had any action there or not.
But he bounced all over the country. We had him in Colorado,
we had him in Washington, Texas. The truck that he was staying in
at the Holiday host RV park had Texas plates. He was actually, under
his real name, worked for oil company in Texas. So if we were
to go back here, when you picked up the case in twenty twelve,
and it was because of the crimes committed against young Lisa, that was she
was just one tiny part of the entire operation, right, I mean she
was. I mean it was a big obviously a big trauma to her,
but in the overall scheme of things, she was just one little tiny piece
in this overall life of this man. Right, So, how old was
this guy? I guess if we want to go back to nineteen eighty six
and the Holiday host RV park in Central Valley, in the Central Valley of
California, how old was he then? Um? You know I have to
go back and find his real data birth to tell you that. Okay,
we had under his akas we had so many different data births. How old
was he when he died? Do you know? I believe he was in
his late sixties, late sixties. Sixties, yeah, late sixties or early
seventies. Again, I would have to go back. It's there's so many
details in this case that I'm still trying to wrap my head around. The
people in the barrel, the kids in the barrel, you know. So,
Um, when we come back, I want to stry. I want
to try to go back and see if we can and do some sort of
a recap and start to build up a recap to bring people up to speed
on all the different things this guy's done. But first this is unsolved.
With Steve Gregory on kf I AM six forty. You're listening to kf I
AM six forty on demand KFI AM six forty lie everywhere. On the iHeartRadio
app. I'm Steve Gregory. This is Unsolved who We've been talking with Pete
Headley about this incredible, incredible case of this man who spent years conning single
moms all across the country. And Pete, it was your assertion that you
believe this man would befriend these women and then when he was done with them,
literally kill them, but take their children and use them as bait to
grab another new single mom. And that cycle continued for many many years until
he was caught and arrested for the murder of Unsun June. And I'm sorry,
I refresh my memory. Where was Unston June at? Where does she
live? She was in Contra Coast to Contracast County in California, right,
so she was caught or he was caught there. He died in prison.
The man died in prison in twenty ten. So far we've known him as
Curtis Kimball, Bob Evans. And then you say, finally, after many
many years, you were able to track him down. And his birth name
was Terry Rasmussen. He was born in Colorado but grew up in Arizona.
What did you learn about him, you know, whether in Colorado or Arizona.
What did you learn about him in Arizona? Did you find out anything
about his past? Yeah, we found the high school that he went to,
and again I had him profiled by a forensic psychologist that I'd worked with.
It was really sharp and he had said, yeah, this is one
of those guys that tortured animals as a kid, and then he graduated to
people. There's two pictures from when he was in high school, one year
apart, these two pictures, and if you look at him, he does
navin looked like the same kid. You wouldn't recognize him as the same person.
And I can't say for sure, but I really believe that that's when
he graduated from animals to people that year. This clinical psychologist, there's forensic
psychologists he spoke with m Did they give you a sense in the profile of
what child kind of a childhood? He might have? Had no specifics,
just that he's sure that he tortured animals as a kid. But was this
Terry ever abused as a child or anything like that? Isn't it typically what
happens in these cases? They not necessarily so, then Terry Rasmussen now he
goes from Arizona in his high school years. He grows up and he joins
the Navy. Eventually he settles down in the Bay Area, and that's where
he has a wife and a family. Correct, So under his name Rasmus
and the Rasmusen And what kind of a life did they lead up there?
It looked normal on the surface, but then we found there was a woman
who he worked with that he's starting affair with, and he was an incredible
convent. He talked her into moving into their house to help take care of
the kids. So his mistress he had, he talked his mistress into moving
into the house. Correct, And then things got two tents. So he
moved her to Colorado and wait years do you think this happened? Um?
This is oh god, I'd have to go back. But like you said,
I need a flow chart for all the yea, you need a flow
chart for this corporate flowchart. So I would assume it's probably in the seventies
early eighties, yes, okay, okay, sorry, seventies okay. So
he moves her to Colorado and sets her up in an apartment there, drives
back and staying with his family, stays in touch with her by phone,
and I really think that she was out from under his influence long enough,
and she ran out of money. She went out and got a job of
her own, moved to a different apartment. Then one day she gets a
call and he says, oh, we're going to move you over here now.
And again she was out from under his influence long enough. She said
no, no, no, I got a job now. Da da da
da. And she went home that night and all of her personal belongings were
moved out of her apartment. He had gone to her apartment manager convinced him
that he was helping her move, and he led him into the apartment and
moved out to all of her personal belongings. At that point she reported the
theft of her belongings, and then he left her alone, went back to
California. And I told her, if you had would have let him move
you, you would have disappeared to So you actually spoke to the mistress,
Yes, yes, wow? What so what else was she able to tell
you about him? When I was talking to her, she kept saying,
how did I let him talk me into that? How did I don't get
it? How did he convince me of doing that. So he had an
incredible influence on people. Once he picked out a target and focused, they
didn't stand much of a chance. Apparently he was very charming. Then I
guess was he could be. He could and he spoke. He was smart.
He spoke numerous languages fluently, had an incredible memory. For example,
when he was pulled over in Saint Louis Obispo in eighty eight with the stolen
car, he threw out the name Jerry Markerman, gave the correct social Security
number, day to birth, everything, And Mockerman is a real person.
I talked to him and he had had all of his paperwork stolen out of
his truck in Colorado and he had just gone for a job interview, so
everything was there and he stored it in his head and popped it off,
you know, in nineteen eighty eight when he got pulled over. So he's
a photographic memory, speaks multiple languages. When he'd show up in a new
place, he'd throw on an accent, different accents. Usually he'd show up
clean shaven and then grow a beer that. I think that's where they gave
him the nickname Chamillion. He could just blend in wherever he was wow.
So then he was in the Bay Area with his family under still under his
birth name, Terry Rasmussen. He moved his mistress in with the family,
but then moved the mistress to Colorado in her own apartment, and trying to
retain control of her, she got wise decided to go off on her own,
but he left her alone because she called the cops on him after he
moved all our personal belongings out right, correct? Okay? So then what
happens to him after that? His wife finally discovers that he'd been burning their
son with cigarette butts, and she had been She had filed for divorce before
or and then he talked her into not doing it, and finally, with
that torturing their own son, she'd had enough, divorced in, took the
kids and ran. Okay, and then where did the family go? Where
did the wife and the kids go? Then? I don't remember exactly where
they went. Initially they were they were back in Arizona, and then left
from there, and then where did Rasmussen go at this point? At that
point, it looks like he met Marles and moved her from southern California to
New Hampshire in about nineteen seventy eight. Okay, and we'll stop there.
When we come back more of this bizarre and very complicated case. But first,
this is Unsolved with Steve Gregory on kf I AM six forty time now
for a news update. You're listening to kf I AM sixty on demand,
kf I AM six forty lie everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Steve Gregory
and this is Unsolved. Welcome back, Thanks for joining us. We've been
speaking with Pete Headley about this most fascinating and very bizarre case of Terry Rasmussen.
That's his birthday, but throughout the last couple of hours we've been talking
about him as Curtis Kimball and Bob Evans and about this bizarre behavior that this
man had over the years. And before the break, Pete, you were
talking about how Rasmussen's family, wife and children had left him out of the
Bay Area. His mistress, who he tried to relocate to Colorado, got
wise and she separated all contact with him. And now you say he's kind
of left alone. What happens next? At some point he met Marley's honey,
church kids and Marlsa's siblings and family actually met him and he was still
going by his real name in southern California. Again, he was very good
at isolating his victims from the family, and he had convinced her to move
with him, and the family never heard from her again. And they're the
ones that ended up in the barrels of New Hampshire. And we figured he
went to New Hampshire about in nineteen seventy eight or so, and then when
he left in nineteen eighty one with Lisa, And we don't know if Denise,
her mother was still alive when he left or where he dumped her body.
So he showed up in southern California about nineteen eighty four. He was
working as an electrician, made up a resume very believable. They hired him
and one of his co workers babies for Lisa and another six month old child,
a little girl, and when he shows up at the holiday host RV
park, it's just Lisa, So odds are that six month old is also
dead and her mother wherever he picked her up at Also there was a woman
that he was seeing dating that had young child or children, and odds are
she's also dead. One of the jobs that he got fired from. It
was because he stole a bandsaw from a job site. What did he need
that for? With his history of partial dismemberment of victims. So with those
victims in Anaheim about nineteen eighty five, we have no remains, so no
DNA to test, and I don't have a name on him, but we
know they existed. We have eyewitnesses. So the only way we're going to
get their names and identify him if somebody from back then remembers, Hey,
my neighbor, my co worker, young single mom with kids, was dating
some guy and she moved away suddenly and we never heard from her again.
It's just kind of weird the way she moved away suddenly. That could be
it. Okay, I want to focus more on that. But what I
want to do now, I want to let you say all that because I
want to go back down and I'll go back and unpack a few things.
So when rassmissing after his wife and children left him in the Bay Area,
he came to southern California. Correct, He met Marleys at some point Marleies
and this is Honey Church, correct. Okay. Then they relocated to New
Hampshire. He moved them to move them to New Hampshire. So this honey
church, she had how many children, two daughters, two daughters. Okay.
Then at some point along the way, this woman and her two daughters
were found in the barrels and his bio child. Okay, So the two
dollars daughters, one was his and one was hers. No, there was
two daughters of Marley's. And then there was another child. So there's four
victims total. Oh, and another daughter that would have is his birth daughter,
his biological daughter, excuse me, his biological daughter. Okay. So
the three children and the women were all found in barrels, the woman and
the three children yet right, okay, And that was never pinned on him,
right, I mean they were never able to conclusively figure out that he
was tied to that right well, being that it was his own bio daughter
and the barrels along with Marley's and her daughters, it's pretty certain it was
him, Okay, but nothing, but that was never a case. It
was brought, you know, never filed, right, No, because they
were discovered and he was long gone. He was long gone. So then
after he leaves him in the barrels in New Hampshire, he went where again
went back to southern California, correct, with Lisa, with Lisa, and
that was Lisa from that was the young girl from Denise, yes, right,
okay, and that was Denise Um that was his girlfriend, and that's
the Denise's father is the one that was able to give you all the information
about Lisa, right, correct, Okay through ancestry, and it led you
back to that. So Denise was the girlfriend and the and the mother of
Lisa Um or Don bowden is Lisa's real name? Oh, Don Boden,
Right, Okay, Lisa's just the name you guys gave her. Right,
Actually, it's the name that he was using for he was Then they come
back out to the West coast then, right, Yes, what happened to
the mother of Lisa presumed dead? I'm sure she's dead, but we have
no idea where he dumped her remains. She's not been found. I've been
found. Looking back at this peat, how many dead bodies could be attributed
to him? Do you think you know the actual count we have? You
know the victims and Anaheim that I'm sure dead, we have Oonsen, the
Barebert victims, Lisa's mom, but he would look him back on him.
He would cycle through victims every about three years. So if you plug that
in, we have no idea how many. It could be a lot.
Is anyone trying to piece this? I mean, you're retired now and you've
you've been gracious enough to break this down for us, But um, whether
yourself or someone else, is someone out there trying to maybe tie missing persons
cases together and figure all this out and see if if he's the center of
all of this. It's going to be very difficult. Yeah, it's just
so tough with this guy. The way he set him up as voluntary missing
so there's no missing person report. He'd move them across the country. It's
going to be tough. When we come back, we're gonna wrap up with
Pete. It's done a pretty good job keeping us trying to keep us focusing
on track with this very complicated gaze. And then let's talk more about what
you want from people about Orange County victims in Orange County, Okay, But
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the red microphone on the app and record your message. Welcome back. We're
wrapping up this bizarre case of Terry Rasmusser, who we've come to know as
Curtis Kimball and Bob Evans, among others. I'm sure Pete Headley has been
given us the breakdown. He was a member of the Crimes against Children's Unit
at the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department and picked up the case in twenty twelve
because of a young girl who was called Lisa at the time. Come to
find out that her real name was Dawn. But you've unpacked a lot of
stuff for us, Pete over the last couple hours. But one of the
things that you say still kind of sticks with you is you believe this guy,
Terry Rasmussen, is responsible for the disappearance and probable death of another woman
and children from Anaheim back in nineteen eighty five. Give us the details on
that. Yeah, he showed up in Anaheim he's working as an electrician and
one of his co workers babysat for Lisa and another six month old child,
and later on it's just Lisa. And also he was seen in a car
with a woman when he went to pick up a check and there was other
children in the car, and he said he was dating her. And so
we're sure she's dead too. She may have been an unofficial apartment manager.
We backtracked him to some apartments back in that time frame. And with Lisa,
when she was recovered, she was asked if she had siblings and she
said, yeah, but they died from eating quote unquote grass mushrooms when we
were out camping. And it's looking like that was probably the other woman's kids
that she was referring to. Yeah, because the timeline fits, you're talking
about the woman and children last seen in nineteen eighty five. Lisa and Terry
Rasmussen were seen in eighty six at the Harvey Park in Central California. So,
now what is it. I mean, there's a a plea to the
public then, right, I mean, if you're going back forty three years,
yeah, it's it's quite a ways back. But the only shot we
have at it is if somebody remembers a co worker or a neighbor, maybe
an apartment manager unofficial apartment manager, young, single, bomb with kid or
kids, that suddenly moved away and never heard from her again, and it
just struck them as kind of weird. If they are out there and hear
this and that's a situation, then that may well be her. So to
go back though, let's backtrack. Then we're talking nineteen eighty five in Anaheim,
correct, right, that's when she was last seen Anaheim area. And
then you say that she might also have ties to an apartment complex, right,
correct? And where's that apartment companies? One of them was in Fullerton,
another one in Anaheim. They're all right there in Orange County area.
Okay, So this is one of those situations. This a hail Mary,
you know, absolutely, yeah, right, and I get it. But
you know what, I've been surprised many times before on cases we've highlighted in
the people that call. So again, if anyone remembers a woman with children
who just suddenly disappeared one day, whether it was your neighbor or someone you
knew down the road from church or whatever the case was, it just one
day, was there and the next day they weren't right moved away. Usually
that's the m O. They just suddenly move away and they're never heard from
again. Okay, In our last few minutes, Pete, let's see if
I can piece this all together. We find out that Terry Rasmussen was born
in Colorado, grew up in Arizona at least as high school years. You
say that you saw some photos of this guy, and based on the photos
one year apart that you think he went from killing Anna to killing people.
You got that from a forensic psychologist that did a profile on him. Then
Terry joins the Navy and he eventually settles in the Bay Area with his wife
and children. At that time, he has a mistress a co worker.
Moves the mistress in with the family, then moves the mistress to Colorado.
Mistress gets wise, takes off. Terry wanted to still have some control,
moved all of her stuff out of her apartment in Colorado. She calls the
police, He disappears, leaves her alone, then comes back. He was
abusing his children. Then his wife and kids move from the Bay Area.
They take off. Terry eventually migrates down to southern California, where he meets
Marley's home church Honey Church. Accuse me, Marley's Honey Church and her two
daughters, moves them to New Hampshire. He has a child of his own
with this Marlis. Then they end up being found Marlise and the two daughters
and the daughter from him from Terry Rasmussen in Beryls. By then he's long
gone, presumably back to the southern California les central California. Yeah. Actually,
one quick correction there. The child that he had, he did not
have that child with Marley's. It was with another woman. Oh gosh.
Yeah, so we presume she's dead too. But he brought her along,
but he had the daughter along. But but meet her that that may have
been the come on to Marley's port may single dad from our previous victim.
But you were able to determine it was a birth child. Yeah, it
was his biological child. I keep saying birth child from another woman, not
Marley's. But that child and the two daughters were found along with Marlise Honey
Church in Beryls in New Hampshire. Correct dead. Then that's when he eventually
has has this girl, Lisa with him, who we find it's real name
was Don, but ends up having Lisa, And then we're up to about
nineteen eighty six when he was discovered in the RV park. Then that's when
things start to unravel there. Eventually he is arrested in early two thousands for
the death the murder of Unsun June in also in central California. And that
was a Contra Costa, right, Contra Costa. That's California right right.
And then he dies in prison in twenty ten. You've tried to do your
best to unravel this thing. You gave Lisa's enclosure when you actually found out
her real name was Don Bowden Bowden, don Boden, and Lee gave her
an idea of who she really was. How's she doing now? Um,
she wants to stay away from anything about the case. I can understand that
she refused to talk to any media. UM. Something else to throw in
there. When when we finally figured out who she was, UM, I
was able to call her up then tell her you know that this is who
you are. I'll get you a copy of your real birth certificate. And
she's been in touch with her real family now since then. But a few
weeks after I called her to tell her, hey, you're gone bowed,
And she called me back and said, well, what do I do?
Do I change my name? Do I change my day to birth? But
you know what a thing to have to think of. Yeah, you don't
think about those things when it's the last time he's spoken to her. It's
been a couple of years, a couple of years old. Are you comfortable
now, Pete on that she's going to be fine moving forward. I'm sure
someone like her is probably gonna have having gone through her, going through therapy,
or any kid that's gone THROUGHS. B Molsted, they're gonna have permanent
scars. Yeah. And then the more she discovers about what she was tied
to. Yeah, Pete, thank you so much for this amazing journey,
this crazy, crazy journey with this very sick and twisted individual. You did
a really good job breaking this down. But I really appreciate you bringing it
to our attention. That's my pleasure. I know it's a very complicated case,
you know. Thanks again, Pete, And that's going to do it
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