This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and
sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised.
Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and
Consequences, a true crime podcast. Welcome back, everyone to another episode of
Crimes and Consequences. I'm Tanya and this is my co host Talia. Hello,
and before we get into today's episode, I would just like to ask
everyone to hit the like or subscribe or follow button whatever app you're listening to.
If you're here on YouTube watching us on True Crime Daily, if you
could hit like, that would be wonderful. So have you ever heard about
the disappearance Gary McCullough or Lena Chapin. I don't know, Okay, I
mean I've read a lot of true crime. I'm going to get into it
and it sounds bad, but I don't remember their names. I know.
Sometimes when I see pictures, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I know that one. Yeah. On May eleventh, nineteen ninety
nine, Gary McCullough went missing, and he lived in Missouri in a town
called Cassville. He was known as a hard worker and never missed a day
of work, so when he didn't show up to work multiple times, the
people that knew him knew something terrible had happened. At the time he disappeared,
he was having troubles with his wife, Sandy, and there was an
incident that happened. He owned a shotgun and he had taken it to a
friend's house just within days before his disappearance, telling the friend that Sandy had
taken it, and he she kind of like shoved it in his gut.
Oh what and she pulled the trigger. What. But he kept his guns
unloaded, thankfully, so you know, nothing happened in Yeah, it is
a big incident. So he was a little scared, obviously, and that's
why he wanted to take this shotgun to his friend's house. Who gets to
his friend's house and the friend opens the shotgun and he noticed there is a
shell that had misfired that was in it. So he thought it was empty.
Yeah, but it wasn't. No, it was the shell was on
it a bit. She was just you know, it was a really close
call because, like I said, holy shit. So his friend takes some
flyers and he goes to remove the shell and gunpowder comes spilling out, so
it was a live shell. And this is at the point Gary realized that
Sandy actually tried to kill him. Ye, not playing games, no,
And he said, if it had been a good shell, I wouldn't be
standing here right now, especially a shotgun. Yeah. Gary's friend said he
never forgot the look on Gary's face when he made this realization, and that
was the last time he ever saw Gary alive. Wow. After his disappearance,
police went to Gary's house. Obviously that's the first place you're going to
start looking, right, to start this investigation. When they got told how
old was Gary, Gary, I'm guessing was probably in his forty somewhere.
Okay. So when they got to Gary's house, they noticed that one of
his cows had gotten out. Like he had a farm, he had farm
animals. So the police are like, okay, we got to help get
this cow back in the paddock. So weird, I know. So they're
they're getting they're rounding the cow back up, and that's when Sandy and one
of her daughters, Lena chapin. That's when they come home. Sandy asked
the police, you know, what are you doing here rounding up your cow?
Yeah, And that's when the police asked her, is there anything that
we should know? No, and she said, wow, I have been
meaning to call you because my husband, Gary has been gone for two days
and I don't know where he's at. But she's been busy, she's been
busy. She hasn't gotten an to it yet. So she tells him.
You know, Gary had gone to Diamond, Missouri because he was going to
buy some fighting roosters what and he just never came home. So is that
illegal cock fighting? Yes? I believe so, and I believe it's very
illegal cockfight. But I don't know that's I don't Maybe he just I don't
know. I don't know. Are there fighting roosters that people just buy?
I don't know anything about Ruth. I have no idea. Maybe. The
police asked Sandy, well, do you want to make a missing person's report?
And yeah, she said, yeah, I probably do need to do
that. Gary then was officially determined to be missing. Police obtained a search
warrant to search Gary's residence and Sandy was really unhappy about this, and obviously
she didn't a search warrant. She didn't give consents, so they because he's
missing, he's an adult. How do you get a search warrant? I
don't know, but they did. They searched the house for quite some time,
and they did notice some odd things while searching. They couldn't find any
clothes that belonged to Gary in the house. That's because he took off.
And actually there was nothing to suggest that Gary even lived in the house at
all. Like everything that he owned, including his clothing, everything was gone.
Then one interesting thing the police did find besides not finding anything anything that
belonged to Gary, was there was a checkbook and it belonged to a man
named Christopher Klemp. So we're going to circle back, okay to Christopher.
Police then discover that Sandy and Chris were dating, and two days into their
investigation, Chris moved in to Gary and Sandy's house. Wow, yep.
Could she try to make it a little less obvious? I think a little
less obvious. Everything of his is gone, everything is gone. There's a
new guy. There's a new guy. Yep. So police ask Sandy to
take a polygraph test because they're like, something's going on. Don't do it,
Sandy, Sandy, don't do it? Well, yeah, she said,
no, if you find a body, then I'll take a poll,
is what she told us. What is wrong with her? It's not lower
enough, but quick enough. And so police knew instantly that something was very
wrong, like what do you mean find the body? Why? Why?
Yeah? So, as they were investigating Gary's disappearance, police decided they wanted
to interview Sandy's children, including Lena. Sandy had six daughters, six daughters,
six daughters. There was more than me, yeah right, Brandy was
the oldest, then Lena, then Robin, Jeanie, Rachel and Rosie.
Were they all from the same man. No, they all had different fathers.
I shouldn't say they all did, but they did have different fathers.
Okay. At the time of Gary's disappearance, Lena was about fourteen years old,
and when the police wanted to talk to her, she seemed really hostile.
She was really close to her mind, and the police noticed that,
and she was really defensive of Sandy and talking to the other girls. In
learning about the dynamic of the family, the police found out that Lena was
like Sandy's number two in terms of ruling the house. Like it wasn't necessarily
the oldest daughter Brandy, it was Lena she was the one that would tell
her sisters what to do and keeping them in line and making sure everybody did
their chores like they should have. So, even though she's not the oldest,
yeah, she's in charge. Yeah, she's in charge with Sandy.
So she told them, if the police come to talk to you about Gary,
don't say shit. Okay, that's a quote. The day Gary disappeared,
Brandy remembers coming home. And Brandy's the oldest daughter. She remembers coming
home after school with her sisters when their mother greeted them at the door.
She told them there was a cat that had kittens on the farm and the
girls needed to go look for them. So they got excited, because who
doesn't love a little kitten. I love kittens, right, I love kittens.
They go off to find these kittens, except for Brandy because she had
chores. She had to milk the cows after school. But yours this nineteen
ninety nine. Oh okay, yeah, So Brandy sat on the porch for
a minute before going in the house to get the things that she needed to
milk the cow. I can't get the dishes, let alone milk a cow.
I know, And they like it, said they lived on this farm,
and like I said, everybody had chores control. This is crazy,
now, right, go have my kids milk it. Maybe that's what they
need to do. I know, right, we need to take them to
a farm and have them milk some cows to learn some hard work, really,
right, because I'm sure this isn't easy. They need to learn some
hard work. My daughter does too. We need to get all of them
on a farm, on a farm. Okay. Anyway, when Brandy opens
the door to go in the house, she saw Sandy on her hands and
knees scrubbing the floor with what appeared to be bleach water. She probably could
smell it too, Bleach has a very strong, old strong. She noted
that her mom was wearing shorts and her hair was tied back, and she
said that was really odd, like in her head because Sandy never tied her
hair back. And that night Sandy sat the girls down and told them if
anyone asks, Gary went to buy fighting roosters, and you guys had spaghetti
that night for dinner. What and you haven't seen him since? Okay,
mom? And if you say exactly what I'm telling you, everything will be
fine. Oh okay, Lena was told by Sandy to make sure none of
the girls got up and left their room that night. What is she like
the enforcer? Yeah, because she's fourteen, so I don't know. Yeah,
but Brandy was older. Mm hmm yeah. Okay. So that night
of Gary's disappearance, after Sandy's been scrubbing the floor, Robin was having trouble
falling asleep. And she's younger than Lena. Yauh. Something just didn't set
right with her. So she's up and she's gazing out her bedroom window when
she noticed Sandy and Chris, her boyfriend, struggling to pull something very large.
Robin had a sinking feeling that it was Gary's body being dragged it was
inside something, because his boots were sticking out one of the ends, and
Robin was so scared seeing that. Oh yeah that your mom, Yeah exactly.
She kept this information to herself for years, by the way, and
she would later tell police that she could have sworn it was Gary in that
some whatever they wrapped him allegedly up in Okay, allegedly. Allegedly, Lena
had told the girls they couldn't talk about what happened to Gary because then the
police would take them away from Sandy, they'd be split up and end up
in like different foster homes, and so this was one of the reasons why
Robin never said anything about what she saw. I mean, Mom, yeah,
maybe he was dragging, but you want to stay with your sisters,
probably, yeah, but now my mom might be dragging my dad's dead body
around. Was some strange guy, yeah, okay. After Gary went missing,
Sandy decided to move the girls to Saint Louis, where she married Chris.
Then a year later they all moved again to Sligo or Sligo, Missouri.
I'm guessing this is probably out in the country somewhere. So time's going
by, time's going by. Yeah. Then Lena's sisters started noticing a difference
in Lena. She had become quite distance. She seemed just kind of like
on the edge most of the time, and her friends noticed a change in
her behavior. She started going out to parties and drinking and using drugs,
which wasn't like her personality before, But there was just something going on with
her, that internal internal conflict. She would often stare into space, and
when she was asked what's the matter, she would just pretend nothing was wrong.
Brandy felt that Lena must be really lonely, like I don't know how
she knew this, but she just said that Lena's keeping something battled up and
keeping to herself and isolating herself, and just something's going on. Lena eventually
confided in a boyfriend about what was troubling her. Oh no, and he
convinced her to go talk to her former stepfather and Gary's brother, Albert.
Okay, wait, oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna explain this. Yeah,
I know, you're blowing your mind for me or something. So Sandy
met a man named Albert McCullough this is Gary's brother, in the early nineties,
and they got married Albert and Sandy on November seventeenth, nineteen ninety four.
Okay, and Albert turned out to be a great stepfather to Sandy's girls,
and Gary was too, by the way, but Albert took on this
role of raising the girls and giving them some stability. He put them in
activities like gymnastics and other sports like to keep them active. I mean,
there's six girls. This family has their hands full, Albert, you know,
and look at me, look at me. I know. Albert had
become really close to the girls. But at some point during his marriage to
Sandy, he got the suspicion that something was going on with her, that
she was hiding something, and maybe that she was cheating on him. But
he never expected the person to be his brother, to be his brother's brother.
Yeah, I know his brother. Stop it. When Albert found out
about the affair between his wife and his brother, he confronted Gary and they
got into a fist fight. Albert said, quote he beat the tara out
of me, and I beat the tar out of him. End quote.
During the fight, Albert had pinned Gary down and then he felt like whack
on his back. Oh, that's probably from Sandy. Yeah, she was
trying to break up the fight between the brothers and she hit Albert on the
back with a stick or something. Why did she hit Gary? Albert was
on top of Gary. Yeahert So he's like beating the shit out of Gary.
So she's saving her new man, right, and knocked the wind out
of Albert. So I don't think it was just like a little stick.
I think it was something a little more hefty. After that happened, Albert
just said he got up and he said to Gary quote man I'm done that
girl ate nothing but trouble. You'd better leave it alone. But then he
doesn't get to be a stepdad to the kid. No, isn't that sad?
And then how do you do Christmas and Thanksgiving? You know, right
sure your brother is with your wife and your brother who's now married to your
ex wife. Yet like, what what is this? Okay? After this
fistfight between the brothers, Sandy officially laughed Albert for Gary. And this happened
on May twenty second, nineteen ninety six, so this is about three years
before Gary disappears. Sandy had married Gary on December twenty first, nineteen ninety
six, and the girls, the sisters said their lives changed whence Gary came
into their lives because now I mentioned earlier Gary lived on a farm and Albert
didn't live on a farm. So here they're now being thrust into this farm
life. And and their uncle's now stepdad yea, their uncle stepdad? Hello?
Yeah, So they were put to work working on the farm. There
was chickens, cows, and horses that the girls had to take care of.
They would chop wood that if they weren't used to it, that would
be a big shock. I'm sure. Yeah, it's hard work. Yeah,
chopping wood and taking care of it. I mean I haven't. I
mean I've never done it. I've never done it. I have two Yorkis
count I don't think that's quite as big as taking care of a horse.
But work, No, But they're little, they're little hellions too, so
as they keep you busy, yes they do. Gary made sure that each
of the girls hit a chore that would keep them busy and off drugs.
Yeah, you know, out of trouble, not out of trouble. But
he was a great stepdad. When they were done with each day, he
would take them into town and buy them ice cream. Oh that's nice.
That's nice. And just like Albert, Gary grew connected to the girls and
looked after them. Brandy says she's thankful for some of the lessons that Gary
totter. That makes me feel good. Yeah, And she said, you
know, she became more discipline and she doesn't depend on any man to do
anything for her. And it's something these lessons that she learned is something that
she values to this day. That's why we got to do it with our
kids. You know, we got taken to a farm just find it for
me. That's right. We're just gonna have to look for one. There's
gotta be one out where you live. There's farms out there, isn't there
just out the middle of the country there, okay. Unfortunately for her daughters,
Sandy became bored with Gary my ber I told your and and Albert before
him. She was now smitten with Chris Clamp. How'd you find in all
these guys she's living in like bump fucky? Like why finding people? And
bumpucky? And there was menda for these two too, So she got around,
not trying to like shit on Sandy, but Candy got around. So
Chris was younger than Gary, and she considered him more handsome, and he
also came from some money and he owned some properties, so maybe he was
a step up from Gary. Although Gary owns a farm, so he's owning
property too. But so she starts having this affair with Chris. In March
of nineteen ninety nine, Robin actually met Chris one time, and she instantly
thought, oh, Gary's gonna whip his little butt, right. She thought,
yeah, there's no Gary's Gary's gonna take him on. And Sandy felt
no shame in showing off her boyfriend so weird, I know, in front
of her kids, like, oh he's gonna Gary's gonna whip his butt?
What about? Oh mom? Is she not Gary? And I'm thinking like
his oldest was probably somewhere around seventeen, maybe sixteen seventeen. It didn't take
long for Gary to catch on well, yeah, and he's showing the kids
right. And it culminated on March twenty fourth, when Gary was arrested for
allegedly writing bad checks. He didn't do it, It's like I didn't do
this. But after his arrest, he realized Sandy, of course was using
his name and passing the bad checks. Of course. But at this point,
you know, Gary's just had enough. She got this boyfriend, she's
now doing this. She's gonna get him in twelve Yeah, she's gonna get
him in trouble. So he contacted a family friend who was also an attorney,
and he told him everything that Sandy was doing and had done. He
told his friend, the attorney, that he was going to file for divorce.
So remember I told you Lena had told her boyfriend what was Yeah,
she confessed something, So I didn't tell you exactly what it was because I
had to give you a little more background. Okay, So her boyfriend was
urging her to go to Albert and tell him what was bothering her. She
trusted Albert, like I told you know, he was a great step dad
and she looked up to him. So on June twenty sixth, two thousand
and three, Lena went over to Albert's house. And this is like almost
four years I was going to say from year three now, yeah, and
Lina's probably around eighteen at this point, yeah, because she was fourteen.
Yeah, So she goes to Albert's and he could tell right away something was
wrong. Lena ended up confessing to Albert that Sandy had killed Gary although years
ago, and that she had been a witnessed part of it. Why would
she let her kids I witnessed that. Albert had a recorder, like a
recording device hidden, so he ended up taping what Lena told him. Wow,
and she described what happened. She said Gary was sitting on the couch
eating some scrambled eggs when Sandy walked out into the living room and shot him
three times. What in the house and six girls? Yes, and this
is I'm thinking, this is when they were at school, because remember they
came home that day. She wasn't there for this part. Okay, but
this is what Sandy, Yeah, this is what's allegedly sandy. Okay,
okay. She then wrapped him in some plastic and hay strings and dragged him
into their bedroom. Her daughters were home or do home from school soon,
so she locked the bedroom door for safe measure. She's mom of the fucking
year, isn't she right. She tried to hide Gary's body from Lena,
but Lena looked through the door somehow, and she ended up seeing Gary's lifeless
body lying on the bedroom floor. She couldn't believe it. And later that
night, Sandy moved Gary's body to his truck. And then is she doing
that? Well, Chris, I believe Chris, help, You can't.
There's no way she's gonna move. You ever carried dead weight? Hell no,
I haven't. Well, it looked like I have. I have,
but we're dead a hospital for the record, and a very tiny older woman
felt like a billion pounds really dead weight. There's a reason why they say
dead weight. Yeah, yeah, so I'm yeah, she had to have
had help, right, And remember Robin saw something through her bedroom. Yeah,
I was right with Chris, right, and it was with Chris.
And she's telling Albert this story. Lena is just shaking like a leaf the
entire time. I mean, she's terrified. We asked her, well,
where is Gary's body? And Lena told him there's nothing left of Gary.
Did you have pigs on the farm. No, Oh, he had been
burned in a burn pile and everything that was in the burn pile was then
put in buckets and spread out all over the farm, so no one could
really tell they were ashes or anything. There's still be teeths. Yeah,
she said she helped spread the ashes, and so that's how she knew what
happened. And she told Albert how she had burned her fingers picking up the
ashes, and there was little bits of bone left, like you said,
maybe there was teeth. That poor girl, That poor girl. And she
was probably fourteen when this happened. Lena then said Albert, quote, I
know this makes me look like a bad person, but what was I supposed
to do? End quote. I'd be afraid my mom would kill me,
yes, exactly. And so Albert told her, Yeah, he said,
you were just a kid and you were doing what your mom told you,
so he didn't blame her for what happened to Gary. And she's traumatized.
I would be traumatized, right, and that kind of explains like her change
and behavior and yeah, absolutely, you know, and she's probably drinking and
forget what happened because they told you. Albert recorded, yes, and he
ended up giving the recording to a family attorney. He told Albert, you
really need to take this to the police. So Everett took it to the
police in hopes that maybe something now was going to happen to solve Gary's disappearance.
Officially, he's just missing at this and that's his brother. Yeah,
so when police heard the tape, he thought, oh, they could finally
start putting together a case that Gary was murdered. However, because the conversation
was taped without Lena's knowledge, it's inadmissible in Michigan. Would be admissible,
Yeah, in Michigan it would, but at the time there what Missouri.
I guess. So this is a problem for the police. You know,
they're they're trying to decide like can they even pursue charges against Sandy because they
really have no evidence except this inadmissible recording that's where you go to lean yeah,
and you start doing some pressuring. Yeah, because she's ready to crack.
Yeah, she's ready to crack. Well, didn't quite happen that way,
because Sandy found out that Lena confessed to Albert no no, and that
a recording had been handed to the police. How did she find out.
I'm not sure exactly. I'm thinking Lena told her sisters, because I know
at some point one of her sisters gets into a fight, but Lena couldn't
have known because she didn't give permission, so it must have been Yeah,
I think it. Eventually, it al came out. It all comes out.
Oh, no, I know you're gonna tell me something bad. Well,
Sandy got a lawyer for herself and for Lena, and this really solidified
the fact that Sandy was guilty. And the lawyer that Sandy hired for Lena
convinced Lena to take back her confession oh that she had made to Albert,
which then again left the police with absolutely nothing. The officer was working on
Gary's case really felt defeated because they felt like they knew exactly what happened to
Gary, like who did it, how his body was disposed of? Like
maybe they could even start searching the land. I was going to say,
you right, I find she's got some twenty thirty three teeth? How many
do I have? Write something like that. They don't burn and burn,
But they couldn't do anything because knowing something and being able to prove it with
evidence, as you know, is two different things. Before I tell you
more, we're going to take a break. When Brandy found out, and
Brandy's the oldest sister, found out about Lena's confession, she was just shocked
beyond belief. Despite what she knew about her mom, she never thought that
her mom was capable of hurting someone or even killing someone. And she had
so many questions that she wanted to ask Sandy, but she kept them to
herself for years. All these girls are feeling like something's going on. Well,
I would be like to my sister, listen, you're gonna sit down
and you're gonna tell me the truth, right nor bullshit? Right. One
day, Brandy was hanging out with Lena, and that's when Lena finally opened
up to her about what happened all those years ago. She told Brandy about
how Sandy had killed Gary and disposed of his body. Brandy didn't know what
to say. Really, what can you say? Right, It's go to
the track place. Yeah. The next night, you let's leave mom.
I don't want to see mom agat. I know they're staying. My kids
don't talk to me sometimes, so I try to take their phone away.
Let alone killed somebody kill like their stepdad. I know. The next night,
Brandy and Sandy got into a massive fight. This is the one that
I kind of referred to earlier. Brandy was calling Sandy names and eventually said
to her, I'm going to call the police and tell them every single thing
you did because I know. Oh no, no, no no. And
that's when Sandy looked at her and said, you need to get in the
truck right now. Oh fuck no, mom, not getting in that truck.
Oh Brandy did no, and Chris was there. Oh shit, yeah,
still got Chris. She still got Chris. Don't get in the truck,
Brandy. She did, and they drove for a while, when eventually
Chris pulls the truck over. He gets out, I know, he gets
out, and Brandy starts looking around. When she looks to her right and
she sees a gun. This is my right, see the guy When she
looks her and she sees a gun like staring her right in the face.
So she jumps out of the car screaming. She's just scared out of her
mind because she's like, he's gonna kill me, right in front of Sandy.
And she looked at Sandy and Sandy mom. Yeah, Sandy had no
reaction because she's hoping Sandy will protect her. That's her mom, and in
the hopes that Sandy would protect her. She gets back into the truck and
she gets to where Sandy's in and she starts hugging her like just as tight
as she can, and she said, please, don't let him hurt me.
Please, don't let him hurt me. And then that's when Sandy says,
don't hurt my baby. Oh good. So Chris lowered the gun.
He got back into the car and they drove back to the house. Oh,
oh my god, you have me on the edge girl. Oh I
know Brandy survived it. But Brandy said, before that night, she would
have never thought that her mom was capable of this, and now she was
terrified. Yeah. Time to get a job, get out of mom's house,
move away right. A few months after making her confession to Albert.
Lena gave birth to her son, Coulter on November third, two thousand and
three, and her whole world change after that. I feel like I kind
of saw the story someplace. You may have. It was on Unsolved Mysteries.
Okay, yes, it was an Unsolved Missy. I don't remember anything
because I watched it religiously, and even the new ones that are on Netflix.
I don't remember this from watching it. But it's an Unsolved Mysteries story.
So she was absolutely in love with her son. She would do anything
for him, and after giving birth, she didn't want to speak about what
happened to Gary after that because she just wanted to like start this new life
she had her son. She's still living with Sandy because she doesn't have enough
money to move, so she starts working multiple jobs in order to provide for
Colton and give him the life that she never had. Sandy would look after
Culture when Lena went to her, I'm sorry, it's Culter. So if
I said Colton, I'm sorry, that was a mistake. It's Culture.
Yeah. Lena was doing really well for a few years after Coulter's birth.
She stopped partying, she stopped all of that, like I said, he
changed her life. And in two thousand and six, Lena had finally started
to make a life for herself without Sandy and with culture. She met a
man that she was looking forward to marrying, and they planned to settle down
and have this family together. Her fiance was going to be a great dead
to Coulter, and Lena was working to become financially independent from Sandy. You've
set me up with a high Yeah, just take me. I'm sorry.
Sandy of course felt very threatened. So if all this is true, right,
that Lena knew this stuff about Sandy, she of course is now feeling
threatened by her daughter's maturity, and she began to feel, you know,
I no longer have Lena under my thumb. True that Lena might start talking
about what she knew. Tensions began to rise between Sandy and Lena, which
then escalated when a lawsuit was filed. And this lawsuit was filed by Gary's
family for wrongful death. Oh shit, Yeah, his family felt that since
no criminal charges were pending, and it didn't seem like criminal charges would even
ever be a possibility, that seven years later or something. Yeah, it's
like seven years later the only way they could get some satisfaction was to sue
Sandy for wrongful death. It's not a criminal charge, but it also has
a lesser burden right to prove. You don't have to prove beyond a reasonable
doubt. It's clear convincing evidence. So I'm thinking that's like how oj got
convicted, probably right her death, the more famous one that we know.
So the preponderance of the evidence, is it a preponderance of the evidence or
clear and convincing? I can't remember. I can remember preponderance, preponderance because
the preponderance is below so reasonable, yeah, and clear and convincing is lesser
than this. Yes. So they alleged in the wrongful death suit that sand
and Chris were responsible for Gary's death and that Lena was an accessory. So
Lena's part of this. Oh and they hope that including Lena in the lawsuit.
Yeah, so here's finally the pressure that you talked about a little bit
earlier, Like maybe they would put this pressure on and maybe now she would
go to the prosecutor. Or it's a prosecutor that does it, So maybe
get immunity somehow, like maybe trade her testimony against Sandy for some kind of
lesser charge or some kind of immunity for herself. However, is where you're
gonna get me sack. When the time came to serve the lawsuit to Sandy,
Chris and Lena, they weren't able to find Lena and knew it.
Yeah, to serve for the papers, they asked Sandy where Lena was because
they need to deliver this summons and the complaint, and Sandy told them,
oh, Lena ran off the Florida with some guy that she just recently started
to sing, which seemed really odd because the guy wasn't her fiance and she
son, and she didn't take Colter with her. No, No, he's
with what Sandy right, something like that. Yes, I kind of remembered
that. Now, Yeah, that's why I don't like Sandy Noney reasons No.
Yes. On February fourteenth, two thousand and six, Robin stopped by
Lena's house and this is when she finds out Lena's boyfriend fiance tells her,
oh, your sister took off with some guy to Florida, and so Robin's
like confused, like what what she knows? Lena would never leave? Of
course, yeah, would never leave colder and the boyfriend Beyonce told Robin,
well, that's what Sandy told me. Oh okay. So when Robin looked
around the house, she noticed none of Lena's clothes were taken and all her
photos were still there, and she knew Lena loved the photographs that she had,
so Robin was convinced that if she had really laughed, she definitely at
least would have taken these photos with her. So this seemed really weird to
rap him, like, not only did she not take clothing, Jussel,
didn't take these precious or her son? Yeah or her yeah, exactly.
Yes. When Sandy told Brandy that Lena left with some guy, she was
also confused. Brandy and Lena were hanging out often together. I mean,
they were close and they would tell each other everything. So for Brandy to
find out that Lena had left with some guy through Sandy, no, she
would have known. No, Mom, call him bullshit. Sandy then told
the rest of Lena's sisters that Lena had been saying bad things about them and
she wanted nothing more to do with them. So they were like, they're
hanging out with there, I know, and the girls waited a few days
and hoped that Lena would show back up, but she didn't, so her
sisters knew something was mom very, very wrong. When Albert was told that
Lena was missing, he instantly he knew, he knew. He felt like
Sandy had something to do with it. God, what an evil bitch.
Yeah, he felt Lena knew too much. She would be able to get
Sandy locked away for the rest of her life if she was able to tell
everyone what she allegedly saw right. Robin later talked to police and said she
believed her mother killed Lena to keep her quiet. All the sisters, who
was Robin, I'd be scared to death to all of them. No.
Robin put up missing person flyers around the neighborhood in hopes of getting information about
Lena, and then Robin found out later that her mother was paying her little
sister's five dollars a piece to take them down. Getting pissed Tanya, so
Robin later called Sandy confronted her, and she said, I know that you're
the reason that Lena's not here. You messed up this time. Now it's
one of my sisters. I'm going to be the one that finds out.
One way, or another, whether it's scary or Lena, I'm going to
be the one that finds out and make sure that you rat. Well,
that's pretty brave, considering you think your mom probably killed your sister and now
you're telling your mom and her husband. Eventually, see, Andy got custody
of culture oh home, and an officer that was investigating Lina's case is convinced
that culter is one of the reasons Sandy had for making her daughter disappear.
Allegedly, she wanted to raise Yeah, you know. Obviously one was to
hide the fact that Lena knew stuff. But then Sandy's was supposedly reportedly obsessed
with culter, like she always wanted to have a son, Yeah, because
she had ten thousand daughters. Yeah, and she would even have culter color
mom, oh, which is weird. And Lena was really bothered by that.
Yeah, what is that? So she just was really possessive and obsessed
with culture, and so they're thinking maybe this was another reason, a second
reason. When Lena went missing, Sandy filed abandonment charges against Lena to obtain
custody of culture, and since Lena didn't show up to court, the court
had no choice. But to declare that Lena had abandoned her child, Lena
has to get served. They might have done alternate service. That's true,
that's true. In July of twenty thirteen, Judge car Woods heard the wrongful
death lawsuit brought against Sandy and Chris for the murder of Gary. Lena's recorded
confession wasn't played. It was not allowed to be used as evidence for reasons
that I've said before. Yeah, you can't very verify it, right,
but then if she's dead, that's I know, you can kind of get
in. I mean, Albert could testify to it, but it's your say,
you're right here say. Brandy and Robin had taken the stand to testify
against their mom and implicate her in the murder plot against Gary. When Brandy
took the stand, she testified about the night that Chris had threatened her with
the god remember they were in the truck. Yeah, and that Sandy really
didn't do anything to help her. Brandy never thought she'd be able to testify
against her mom, but she knew she needed to do it in order to
see some kind of justice for Gary's family. The verdict in the civil trial
was that Chris and Sandy were found liable for knowingly taking the life of Gary
McCullough. Sandy and Chris were ordered to pay seven million dollars to Gary's family.
The family hasn't received any compensation. I'm sure they don't have any anything,
probably not in their name. And they never had much in their name,
even though Chris did have land and stuff like property and stuff, but
I don't know he had time to get it out of his name, right,
Yeah, I guess. In twenty fourteen, Chris and Sandy got a
divorce. Oh oh, and Sandy remarried, oh for like the fortieth time,
and all the wrong places, look the wrong places whatever that is.
Yeah, and she married some guy named Joe and she still his custody of
bold no, stop it, stop it. And for a while Culter was
homeschooled because allegedly, Sandy's school didn't want him to find out anything about his
mom. And that's another way to keep him under control. Yeah right.
Lena's sisters have vowed to tell Coulter the truth someday because they don't want Sandy
to get away with what they believe she did. Oh, I mean,
it's just and Brandy's heartbroken I'm sure all her sisters are heartbroken over the fact
that Sandy is raising and Lena didn't get a chance to do it and she
adored her son, and Sandy, you get away with it. Well,
where's Lena's body? Well, no one knows. It's known that Chris and
Sandy had two properties when they were married. One was in Sligo or Sligo
and one was an eighty acre ranch north of Salem. That's a lot of
property. Brandy and Robin were given permission by the new owners of the property
to search for Lena's remains, which is obviously difficult. When Brandy went back
to that property, she recalled there used to be a well there, and
the new owners had no recollection of a well being there, So Brandy believes
maybe for some reason, Sandy filled it in before it was sold. And
at the other property, Robin remembers that after Lena's disappearance, Sandy had pointed
out, like there were four trees in front of the house and told Robin
that's where I buried my dog Toby. I kind of remember that from the
show, And Robin thought, well, this is kind of weird because Sandy
had originally told Robin that she had buried Toby at the top of a hill
under a tree at their old house. So this wasn't making sense, and
she's changing her story about burying her pet. I can't believe she's even talking
to her mom. I know, I think that might have happened before,
yeah, but I mean it was obviously after Lena disappeared, and the police
did conduct a ground scan of the area where Robin thought Lena could have been
buried, but after searching with ground penetrating radar, there were no remains found.
Anybody that knows that doesn't live in a city and knows property, eighty
Eggers is a lot of land to go through, especially if you burned by
That's what I'm thinking, because they got away with it once right again,
right. Brandy and Robin obviously struggle every day with the loss of their sister,
and they just really just want to know what happened to her. Robin
told Unsolved Mysteries that she wants Lena to know that she loved her, is
proud of her for keeping the girls all together, because she was like their
rock when they were little, and if it wasn't for her, they wouldn't
be together. Like they are now and there isn't a day that goes by
her. She's not thinking of Lena. I bet what happened to Lena is
a lot like what could have happened to Brandy. Yeah, and let's get
in the truck. It's pretty I don't know, I know nothing. Allegedly.
I guess when Unsolved Mysteries was doing was doing their episode, they reached
out to Sandy and Chris for interviews, but they got no real I have
no comment, no comment. Unsolved Mysteries later released footage of some unseen interviews
from some of the episodes that didn't make it into the documentary. One of
the interviews was Lena's description on the night Gary was allegedly murdered. I think
maybe they played the tape. Lena had told police that she took a ride
in Gary's truck before he died, and it seemed odd to police because when
they chucked to Gary's truck, they discovered you couldn't sit on the passenger side,
like the floor was covered in litter. So one of the police officers
said, I found it ironic because in the one interview I did get with
Lena, she said that on the night Gary left. She rode with him
in the truck but didn't want to be seen with him, and she sat
on the floor of the truck. And it just seems like, so they're
not sure. Maybe that with some bullshit story, I don't know. Another
interview that was missed in the documentary came from Chris Klemp's wife at the time,
because he was married when he met Sandy. He was married. He
was married married, that's so cute. Yeah, So he was cheating on
her with Sandy, and Sandy was cheating on Gary with Chris. So everybody's
cheating, okay, And apparently Chris's wife, Jennifer, they got into a
screaming match one night. So they're having screaming match. And he said something
to the effect of, I can't worry about the stuffy now, I've got
to worry about killing a man. Oh. Oh, I don't know,
you know what fish to fry. Yeah, I really can't deal with your
bullshit at this moment. I've got Yeah, I've got other important things on
my mind. The fuck is wrong with people? Yeah, And she took
Chris to Gary's house and dropped him off. The night of Gary's disappearance,
she said, and she said, Chris was scared and she believes like that
was the night because she had up picking him up later that night and she
said he was scared, and she believes that's the night that Gary's body was
burnt. I don't know, Okay, it's her recollection, Okay. When
police opened the case into Lena's disappearance, they talked to Lena's boyfriend at the
time, and yes fiance, and he told police he left Lena it was
Valentine's Day. Now, they kissed and they had made plans for the day,
but when he returned home, Lena wasn't there, but Sandy was,
and she was cleaning out of Lena's belongings from their apartment. And he said,
you know, so they live together, Lena and her mom and her
boyfriend. Oh, Lena and her boyfriend fiance, oh, fyance, and
then mom is there. They're cleaning out Lina's belongings like that same day,
so that was weird. He said. He never saw Lena again after that,
so that was kind of odd. I would be like, what the
hell are you doing here? No, right, like, what are you
doing? And that's when she told him, Well, Lena ran off with
another guy. So I'm just here to get her stuff, probably is what
she said. This where I'm gonna end the story, Okay, And it's
unsolved, and I'm sorry, I hate this obviously with unsolved mysteries. I
mean, you all got a clue a little bit earlier that it was not
solved. But I kind of know what happened. We know it happened.
It's just there's no there's not enough evidence to bring charges against anyone. And
the same with Gary. There's no criminal charges pending or anything. But if
you know anything regarding the disappearance of Lena Chapin, please contact the Dent County,
Missouri Sheriff's office at five seven three seven two nine three two four one,
or you can go to unsolved mysage. I mean, I'm sure you
would have already went to unsolved you're listening to. Yeah, So if anyone
has any information, it would be nice to have some closure. But and
you guys some real pissars here. I'm just saying, I'm sorry everyone,
Can you just give me like solved one? I know, but this was
a really interesting story and it needs to be told because Lena's family needs some
kind of closure. Too bad. There's not more information that somebody knows.
I mean, somebody does know everybody, and there's only two people allegedly they
know Chris saying and I'm thinking even though they're divorced, they're not saying anything
anything because they could, you know, they could. They're both in trouble.
Yeah, then they're both in trouble. So if a legend, I'm
not saying anything, I know, I wasn't there. I wasn't there,
so but I have an idea. But thank you, thank you anyone watching
and listening. Well, first of all, I want to thank my lovely
co host Tanya. You're welcome, an LN Marie Jane. You guys can
check us out on our website, Crumbsonconsequences dot com. We have some merchandise,
some cool merchandise. Does we have new like Christmas themed things on our
website too? Yeah? Yep, bucket, fuck you fuck off? Ye
yeah, I'm sure to say what I'm dead inside hardcore true crime. Don't
kill each other, don't kill each other. There's also what there's in a
lot of our episodes. I say, what the fuck, Tanya, Yeah,
you probably felt that way about this one because it's unsolved. I know
she swears too, though she's actually had a really bad don't let this little
school teacher Sunday school teacher act fool anybody. So you can go to our
website, Crime Consequences. You can listen to us on it, you can
listen to us on any of the podcast apps you subscribe to. Subscribe to
True Crime Daily's YouTube, and like us, please don't say anything mean because
if you do, we are probably going to pick out your comment and insult
you. Unless unless you're into that, but you know, go ahead.
And then we also have what's called Patreon where you can subscribe. It's patreon
dot com slash TNT crimes, and that is where Tanya and I release once
a week audio for our paid subscribers, and we also release the audio for
this audio slash video early and they're all ad free and we have over two
hundred episodes. And yeah, what else. Check it out Patreon dot com
checkt crimes. But you have our website, Oh, social media. We
haven't done that in a while though, our social not really there's good stuff
on there if you're into true crime. I mean, we do feature some
other cases and stuff that we've never covered, and it's at hardcore true crime.
And that's about it. That's it until our next episode. Don't kill
each other. Bye bye