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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of

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Crimes and Consequences. I'm Tanya and
this is my co host Talia. Hello,

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wonderful. So have you ever heard about

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the disappearance Gary McCullough or Lena Chapin. I don't know, Okay, I

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mean I've read a lot of true
crime. I'm going to get into it

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and it sounds bad, but I
don't remember their names. I know.

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Sometimes when I see pictures, I'm
like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, I know that one.
Yeah. On May eleventh, nineteen ninety

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nine, Gary McCullough went missing,
and he lived in Missouri in a town

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called Cassville. He was known as
a hard worker and never missed a day

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of work, so when he didn't
show up to work multiple times, the

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people that knew him knew something terrible
had happened. At the time he disappeared,

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he was having troubles with his wife, Sandy, and there was an

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incident that happened. He owned a
shotgun and he had taken it to a

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friend's house just within days before his
disappearance, telling the friend that Sandy had

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taken it, and he she kind
of like shoved it in his gut.

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Oh what and she pulled the trigger. What. But he kept his guns

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unloaded, thankfully, so you know, nothing happened in Yeah, it is

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a big incident. So he was
a little scared, obviously, and that's

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why he wanted to take this shotgun
to his friend's house. Who gets to

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his friend's house and the friend opens
the shotgun and he noticed there is a

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shell that had misfired that was in
it. So he thought it was empty.

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Yeah, but it wasn't. No, it was the shell was on

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it a bit. She was just
you know, it was a really close

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call because, like I said,
holy shit. So his friend takes some

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flyers and he goes to remove the
shell and gunpowder comes spilling out, so

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it was a live shell. And
this is at the point Gary realized that

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Sandy actually tried to kill him.
Ye, not playing games, no,

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And he said, if it had
been a good shell, I wouldn't be

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standing here right now, especially a
shotgun. Yeah. Gary's friend said he

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never forgot the look on Gary's face
when he made this realization, and that

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was the last time he ever saw
Gary alive. Wow. After his disappearance,

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police went to Gary's house. Obviously
that's the first place you're going to

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start looking, right, to start
this investigation. When they got told how

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old was Gary, Gary, I'm
guessing was probably in his forty somewhere.

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Okay. So when they got to
Gary's house, they noticed that one of

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his cows had gotten out. Like
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animals. So the police are like, okay, we got to help get

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this cow back in the paddock.
So weird, I know. So they're

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they're getting they're rounding the cow back
up, and that's when Sandy and one

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of her daughters, Lena chapin.
That's when they come home. Sandy asked

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the police, you know, what
are you doing here rounding up your cow?

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Yeah, And that's when the police
asked her, is there anything that

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we should know? No, and
she said, wow, I have been

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meaning to call you because my husband, Gary has been gone for two days

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and I don't know where he's at. But she's been busy, she's been

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busy. She hasn't gotten an to
it yet. So she tells him.

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You know, Gary had gone to
Diamond, Missouri because he was going to

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buy some fighting roosters what and he
just never came home. So is that

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illegal cock fighting? Yes? I
believe so, and I believe it's very

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illegal cockfight. But I don't know
that's I don't Maybe he just I don't

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know. I don't know. Are
there fighting roosters that people just buy?

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I don't know anything about Ruth.
I have no idea. Maybe. The

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police asked Sandy, well, do
you want to make a missing person's report?

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And yeah, she said, yeah, I probably do need to do

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that. Gary then was officially determined
to be missing. Police obtained a search

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warrant to search Gary's residence and Sandy
was really unhappy about this, and obviously

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she didn't a search warrant. She
didn't give consents, so they because he's

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missing, he's an adult. How
do you get a search warrant? I

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don't know, but they did.
They searched the house for quite some time,

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and they did notice some odd things
while searching. They couldn't find any

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clothes that belonged to Gary in the
house. That's because he took off.

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And actually there was nothing to suggest
that Gary even lived in the house at

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all. Like everything that he owned, including his clothing, everything was gone.

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Then one interesting thing the police did
find besides not finding anything anything that

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belonged to Gary, was there was
a checkbook and it belonged to a man

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named Christopher Klemp. So we're going
to circle back, okay to Christopher.

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Police then discover that Sandy and Chris
were dating, and two days into their

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investigation, Chris moved in to Gary
and Sandy's house. Wow, yep.

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Could she try to make it a
little less obvious? I think a little

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less obvious. Everything of his is
gone, everything is gone. There's a

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new guy. There's a new guy. Yep. So police ask Sandy to

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take a polygraph test because they're like, something's going on. Don't do it,

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Sandy, Sandy, don't do it? Well, yeah, she said,

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no, if you find a body, then I'll take a poll,

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is what she told us. What
is wrong with her? It's not lower

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enough, but quick enough. And
so police knew instantly that something was very

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wrong, like what do you mean
find the body? Why? Why?

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Yeah? So, as they were
investigating Gary's disappearance, police decided they wanted

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to interview Sandy's children, including Lena. Sandy had six daughters, six daughters,

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six daughters. There was more than
me, yeah right, Brandy was

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the oldest, then Lena, then
Robin, Jeanie, Rachel and Rosie.

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Were they all from the same man. No, they all had different fathers.

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I shouldn't say they all did,
but they did have different fathers.

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Okay. At the time of Gary's
disappearance, Lena was about fourteen years old,

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and when the police wanted to talk
to her, she seemed really hostile.

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She was really close to her mind, and the police noticed that,

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and she was really defensive of Sandy
and talking to the other girls. In

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learning about the dynamic of the family, the police found out that Lena was

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like Sandy's number two in terms of
ruling the house. Like it wasn't necessarily

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the oldest daughter Brandy, it was
Lena she was the one that would tell

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her sisters what to do and keeping
them in line and making sure everybody did

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their chores like they should have.
So, even though she's not the oldest,

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yeah, she's in charge. Yeah, she's in charge with Sandy.

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So she told them, if the
police come to talk to you about Gary,

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don't say shit. Okay, that's
a quote. The day Gary disappeared,

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Brandy remembers coming home. And Brandy's
the oldest daughter. She remembers coming

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home after school with her sisters when
their mother greeted them at the door.

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She told them there was a cat
that had kittens on the farm and the

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girls needed to go look for them. So they got excited, because who

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doesn't love a little kitten. I
love kittens, right, I love kittens.

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They go off to find these kittens, except for Brandy because she had

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chores. She had to milk the
cows after school. But yours this nineteen

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ninety nine. Oh okay, yeah, So Brandy sat on the porch for

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a minute before going in the house
to get the things that she needed to

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milk the cow. I can't get
the dishes, let alone milk a cow.

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I know, And they like it, said they lived on this farm,

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and like I said, everybody had
chores control. This is crazy,

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now, right, go have my
kids milk it. Maybe that's what they

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need to do. I know,
right, we need to take them to

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a farm and have them milk some
cows to learn some hard work, really,

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right, because I'm sure this isn't
easy. They need to learn some

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hard work. My daughter does too. We need to get all of them

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on a farm, on a farm. Okay. Anyway, when Brandy opens

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the door to go in the house, she saw Sandy on her hands and

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knees scrubbing the floor with what appeared
to be bleach water. She probably could

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smell it too, Bleach has a
very strong, old strong. She noted

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that her mom was wearing shorts and
her hair was tied back, and she

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said that was really odd, like
in her head because Sandy never tied her

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hair back. And that night Sandy
sat the girls down and told them if

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anyone asks, Gary went to buy
fighting roosters, and you guys had spaghetti

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that night for dinner. What and
you haven't seen him since? Okay,

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mom? And if you say exactly
what I'm telling you, everything will be

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fine. Oh okay, Lena was
told by Sandy to make sure none of

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the girls got up and left their
room that night. What is she like

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the enforcer? Yeah, because she's
fourteen, so I don't know. Yeah,

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but Brandy was older. Mm hmm
yeah. Okay. So that night

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of Gary's disappearance, after Sandy's been
scrubbing the floor, Robin was having trouble

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falling asleep. And she's younger than
Lena. Yauh. Something just didn't set

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right with her. So she's up
and she's gazing out her bedroom window when

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she noticed Sandy and Chris, her
boyfriend, struggling to pull something very large.

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Robin had a sinking feeling that it
was Gary's body being dragged it was

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inside something, because his boots were
sticking out one of the ends, and

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Robin was so scared seeing that.
Oh yeah that your mom, Yeah exactly.

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She kept this information to herself for
years, by the way, and

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she would later tell police that she
could have sworn it was Gary in that

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some whatever they wrapped him allegedly up
in Okay, allegedly. Allegedly, Lena

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had told the girls they couldn't talk
about what happened to Gary because then the

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police would take them away from Sandy, they'd be split up and end up

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in like different foster homes, and
so this was one of the reasons why

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Robin never said anything about what she
saw. I mean, Mom, yeah,

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maybe he was dragging, but you
want to stay with your sisters,

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probably, yeah, but now my
mom might be dragging my dad's dead body

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around. Was some strange guy,
yeah, okay. After Gary went missing,

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Sandy decided to move the girls to
Saint Louis, where she married Chris.

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Then a year later they all moved
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I'm guessing this is probably out in
the country somewhere. So time's going

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by, time's going by. Yeah. Then Lena's sisters started noticing a difference

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in Lena. She had become quite
distance. She seemed just kind of like

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on the edge most of the time, and her friends noticed a change in

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her behavior. She started going out
to parties and drinking and using drugs,

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which wasn't like her personality before,
But there was just something going on with

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her, that internal internal conflict.
She would often stare into space, and

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when she was asked what's the matter, she would just pretend nothing was wrong.

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Brandy felt that Lena must be really
lonely, like I don't know how

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she knew this, but she just
said that Lena's keeping something battled up and

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keeping to herself and isolating herself,
and just something's going on. Lena eventually

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confided in a boyfriend about what was
troubling her. Oh no, and he

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convinced her to go talk to her
former stepfather and Gary's brother, Albert.

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Okay, wait, oh yeah,
I'm gonna I'm gonna explain this. Yeah,

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I know, you're blowing your mind
for me or something. So Sandy

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met a man named Albert McCullough this
is Gary's brother, in the early nineties,

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and they got married Albert and Sandy
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Okay, and Albert turned out to
be a great stepfather to Sandy's girls,

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and Gary was too, by the
way, but Albert took on this

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role of raising the girls and giving
them some stability. He put them in

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activities like gymnastics and other sports like
to keep them active. I mean,

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there's six girls. This family has
their hands full, Albert, you know,

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and look at me, look at
me. I know. Albert had

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become really close to the girls.
But at some point during his marriage to

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Sandy, he got the suspicion that
something was going on with her, that

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she was hiding something, and maybe
that she was cheating on him. But

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he never expected the person to be
his brother, to be his brother's brother.

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Yeah, I know his brother.
Stop it. When Albert found out

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about the affair between his wife and
his brother, he confronted Gary and they

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got into a fist fight. Albert
said, quote he beat the tara out

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of me, and I beat the
tar out of him. End quote.

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During the fight, Albert had pinned
Gary down and then he felt like whack

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on his back. Oh, that's
probably from Sandy. Yeah, she was

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trying to break up the fight between
the brothers and she hit Albert on the

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back with a stick or something.
Why did she hit Gary? Albert was

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on top of Gary. Yeahert So
he's like beating the shit out of Gary.

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So she's saving her new man,
right, and knocked the wind out

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of Albert. So I don't think
it was just like a little stick.

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I think it was something a little
more hefty. After that happened, Albert

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just said he got up and he
said to Gary quote man I'm done that

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girl ate nothing but trouble. You'd
better leave it alone. But then he

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doesn't get to be a stepdad to
the kid. No, isn't that sad?

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And then how do you do Christmas
and Thanksgiving? You know, right

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sure your brother is with your wife
and your brother who's now married to your

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ex wife. Yet like, what
what is this? Okay? After this

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fistfight between the brothers, Sandy officially
laughed Albert for Gary. And this happened

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on May twenty second, nineteen ninety
six, so this is about three years

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before Gary disappears. Sandy had married
Gary on December twenty first, nineteen ninety

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six, and the girls, the
sisters said their lives changed whence Gary came

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into their lives because now I mentioned
earlier Gary lived on a farm and Albert

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didn't live on a farm. So
here they're now being thrust into this farm

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life. And and their uncle's now
stepdad yea, their uncle stepdad? Hello?

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Yeah, So they were put to
work working on the farm. There

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was chickens, cows, and horses
that the girls had to take care of.

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They would chop wood that if they
weren't used to it, that would

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be a big shock. I'm sure. Yeah, it's hard work. Yeah,

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chopping wood and taking care of it. I mean I haven't. I

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mean I've never done it. I've
never done it. I have two Yorkis

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count I don't think that's quite as
big as taking care of a horse.

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But work, No, But they're
little, they're little hellions too, so

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as they keep you busy, yes
they do. Gary made sure that each

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of the girls hit a chore that
would keep them busy and off drugs.

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Yeah, you know, out of
trouble, not out of trouble. But

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he was a great stepdad. When
they were done with each day, he

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would take them into town and buy
them ice cream. Oh that's nice.

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That's nice. And just like Albert, Gary grew connected to the girls and

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looked after them. Brandy says she's
thankful for some of the lessons that Gary

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totter. That makes me feel good. Yeah, And she said, you

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know, she became more discipline and
she doesn't depend on any man to do

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anything for her. And it's something
these lessons that she learned is something that

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she values to this day. That's
why we got to do it with our

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kids. You know, we got
taken to a farm just find it for

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me. That's right. We're just
gonna have to look for one. There's

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gotta be one out where you live. There's farms out there, isn't there

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just out the middle of the country
there, okay. Unfortunately for her daughters,

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Sandy became bored with Gary my ber
I told your and and Albert before

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him. She was now smitten with
Chris Clamp. How'd you find in all

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these guys she's living in like bump
fucky? Like why finding people? And

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bumpucky? And there was menda for
these two too, So she got around,

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not trying to like shit on Sandy, but Candy got around. So

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Chris was younger than Gary, and
she considered him more handsome, and he

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also came from some money and he
owned some properties, so maybe he was

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a step up from Gary. Although
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property too. But so she starts
having this affair with Chris. In March

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of nineteen ninety nine, Robin actually
met Chris one time, and she instantly

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thought, oh, Gary's gonna whip
his little butt, right. She thought,

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yeah, there's no Gary's Gary's gonna
take him on. And Sandy felt

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no shame in showing off her boyfriend
so weird, I know, in front

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of her kids, like, oh
he's gonna Gary's gonna whip his butt?

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What about? Oh mom? Is
she not Gary? And I'm thinking like

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his oldest was probably somewhere around seventeen, maybe sixteen seventeen. It didn't take

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long for Gary to catch on well, yeah, and he's showing the kids

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right. And it culminated on March
twenty fourth, when Gary was arrested for

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allegedly writing bad checks. He didn't
do it, It's like I didn't do

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this. But after his arrest,
he realized Sandy, of course was using

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his name and passing the bad checks. Of course. But at this point,

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you know, Gary's just had enough. She got this boyfriend, she's

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now doing this. She's gonna get
him in twelve Yeah, she's gonna get

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him in trouble. So he contacted
a family friend who was also an attorney,

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and he told him everything that Sandy
was doing and had done. He

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told his friend, the attorney,
that he was going to file for divorce.

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So remember I told you Lena had
told her boyfriend what was Yeah,

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she confessed something, So I didn't
tell you exactly what it was because I

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had to give you a little more
background. Okay, So her boyfriend was

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urging her to go to Albert and
tell him what was bothering her. She

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trusted Albert, like I told you
know, he was a great step dad

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and she looked up to him.
So on June twenty sixth, two thousand

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and three, Lena went over to
Albert's house. And this is like almost

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four years I was going to say
from year three now, yeah, and

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Lina's probably around eighteen at this point, yeah, because she was fourteen.

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Yeah, So she goes to Albert's
and he could tell right away something was

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wrong. Lena ended up confessing to
Albert that Sandy had killed Gary although years

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ago, and that she had been
a witnessed part of it. Why would

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she let her kids I witnessed that. Albert had a recorder, like a

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recording device hidden, so he ended
up taping what Lena told him. Wow,

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and she described what happened. She
said Gary was sitting on the couch

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eating some scrambled eggs when Sandy walked
out into the living room and shot him

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three times. What in the house
and six girls? Yes, and this

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is I'm thinking, this is when
they were at school, because remember they

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came home that day. She wasn't
there for this part. Okay, but

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this is what Sandy, Yeah,
this is what's allegedly sandy. Okay,

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okay. She then wrapped him in
some plastic and hay strings and dragged him

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into their bedroom. Her daughters were
home or do home from school soon,

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so she locked the bedroom door for
safe measure. She's mom of the fucking

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year, isn't she right. She
tried to hide Gary's body from Lena,

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but Lena looked through the door somehow, and she ended up seeing Gary's lifeless

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body lying on the bedroom floor.
She couldn't believe it. And later that

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night, Sandy moved Gary's body to
his truck. And then is she doing

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that? Well, Chris, I
believe Chris, help, You can't.

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There's no way she's gonna move.
You ever carried dead weight? Hell no,

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I haven't. Well, it looked
like I have. I have,

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but we're dead a hospital for the
record, and a very tiny older woman

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felt like a billion pounds really dead
weight. There's a reason why they say

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dead weight. Yeah, yeah,
so I'm yeah, she had to have

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had help, right, And remember
Robin saw something through her bedroom. Yeah,

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I was right with Chris, right, and it was with Chris.

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And she's telling Albert this story.
Lena is just shaking like a leaf the

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entire time. I mean, she's
terrified. We asked her, well,

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where is Gary's body? And Lena
told him there's nothing left of Gary.

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Did you have pigs on the farm. No, Oh, he had been

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burned in a burn pile and everything
that was in the burn pile was then

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put in buckets and spread out all
over the farm, so no one could

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really tell they were ashes or anything. There's still be teeths. Yeah,

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she said she helped spread the ashes, and so that's how she knew what

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happened. And she told Albert how
she had burned her fingers picking up the

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ashes, and there was little bits
of bone left, like you said,

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maybe there was teeth. That poor
girl, That poor girl. And she

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was probably fourteen when this happened.
Lena then said Albert, quote, I

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know this makes me look like a
bad person, but what was I supposed

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to do? End quote. I'd
be afraid my mom would kill me,

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yes, exactly. And so Albert
told her, Yeah, he said,

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you were just a kid and you
were doing what your mom told you,

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so he didn't blame her for what
happened to Gary. And she's traumatized.

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I would be traumatized, right,
and that kind of explains like her change

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and behavior and yeah, absolutely,
you know, and she's probably drinking and

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forget what happened because they told you. Albert recorded, yes, and he

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ended up giving the recording to a
family attorney. He told Albert, you

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really need to take this to the
police. So Everett took it to the

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police in hopes that maybe something now
was going to happen to solve Gary's disappearance.

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Officially, he's just missing at this
and that's his brother. Yeah,

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so when police heard the tape,
he thought, oh, they could finally

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start putting together a case that Gary
was murdered. However, because the conversation

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was taped without Lena's knowledge, it's
inadmissible in Michigan. Would be admissible,

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Yeah, in Michigan it would,
but at the time there what Missouri.

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I guess. So this is a
problem for the police. You know,

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they're they're trying to decide like can
they even pursue charges against Sandy because they

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really have no evidence except this inadmissible
recording that's where you go to lean yeah,

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and you start doing some pressuring.
Yeah, because she's ready to crack.

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Yeah, she's ready to crack.
Well, didn't quite happen that way,

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because Sandy found out that Lena confessed
to Albert no no, and that

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a recording had been handed to the
police. How did she find out.

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I'm not sure exactly. I'm thinking
Lena told her sisters, because I know

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at some point one of her sisters
gets into a fight, but Lena couldn't

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have known because she didn't give permission, so it must have been Yeah,

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I think it. Eventually, it
al came out. It all comes out.

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Oh, no, I know you're
gonna tell me something bad. Well,

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Sandy got a lawyer for herself and
for Lena, and this really solidified

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the fact that Sandy was guilty.
And the lawyer that Sandy hired for Lena

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convinced Lena to take back her confession
oh that she had made to Albert,

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which then again left the police with
absolutely nothing. The officer was working on

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Gary's case really felt defeated because they
felt like they knew exactly what happened to

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Gary, like who did it,
how his body was disposed of? Like

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maybe they could even start searching the
land. I was going to say,

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you right, I find she's got
some twenty thirty three teeth? How many

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do I have? Write something like
that. They don't burn and burn,

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But they couldn't do anything because knowing
something and being able to prove it with

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evidence, as you know, is
two different things. Before I tell you

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more, we're going to take a
break. When Brandy found out, and

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Brandy's the oldest sister, found out
about Lena's confession, she was just shocked

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beyond belief. Despite what she knew
about her mom, she never thought that

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her mom was capable of hurting someone
or even killing someone. And she had

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so many questions that she wanted to
ask Sandy, but she kept them to

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herself for years. All these girls
are feeling like something's going on. Well,

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I would be like to my sister, listen, you're gonna sit down

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and you're gonna tell me the truth, right nor bullshit? Right. One

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day, Brandy was hanging out with
Lena, and that's when Lena finally opened

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up to her about what happened all
those years ago. She told Brandy about

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how Sandy had killed Gary and disposed
of his body. Brandy didn't know what

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to say. Really, what can
you say? Right, It's go to

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the track place. Yeah. The
next night, you let's leave mom.

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I don't want to see mom agat. I know they're staying. My kids

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don't talk to me sometimes, so
I try to take their phone away.

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Let alone killed somebody kill like their
stepdad. I know. The next night,

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Brandy and Sandy got into a massive
fight. This is the one that

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I kind of referred to earlier.
Brandy was calling Sandy names and eventually said

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to her, I'm going to call
the police and tell them every single thing

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you did because I know. Oh
no, no, no no. And

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that's when Sandy looked at her and
said, you need to get in the

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truck right now. Oh fuck no, mom, not getting in that truck.

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Oh Brandy did no, and Chris
was there. Oh shit, yeah,

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still got Chris. She still got
Chris. Don't get in the truck,

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Brandy. She did, and they
drove for a while, when eventually

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Chris pulls the truck over. He
gets out, I know, he gets

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out, and Brandy starts looking around. When she looks to her right and

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she sees a gun. This is
my right, see the guy When she

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looks her and she sees a gun
like staring her right in the face.

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So she jumps out of the car
screaming. She's just scared out of her

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mind because she's like, he's gonna
kill me, right in front of Sandy.

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And she looked at Sandy and Sandy
mom. Yeah, Sandy had no

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reaction because she's hoping Sandy will protect
her. That's her mom, and in

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the hopes that Sandy would protect her. She gets back into the truck and

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she gets to where Sandy's in and
she starts hugging her like just as tight

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as she can, and she said, please, don't let him hurt me.

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Please, don't let him hurt me. And then that's when Sandy says,

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don't hurt my baby. Oh good. So Chris lowered the gun.

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He got back into the car and
they drove back to the house. Oh,

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oh my god, you have me
on the edge girl. Oh I

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know Brandy survived it. But Brandy
said, before that night, she would

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have never thought that her mom was
capable of this, and now she was

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terrified. Yeah. Time to get
a job, get out of mom's house,

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move away right. A few months
after making her confession to Albert.

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Lena gave birth to her son,
Coulter on November third, two thousand and

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three, and her whole world change
after that. I feel like I kind

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of saw the story someplace. You
may have. It was on Unsolved Mysteries.

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Okay, yes, it was an
Unsolved Missy. I don't remember anything

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because I watched it religiously, and
even the new ones that are on Netflix.

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I don't remember this from watching it. But it's an Unsolved Mysteries story.

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So she was absolutely in love with
her son. She would do anything

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for him, and after giving birth, she didn't want to speak about what

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happened to Gary after that because she
just wanted to like start this new life

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she had her son. She's still
living with Sandy because she doesn't have enough

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money to move, so she starts
working multiple jobs in order to provide for

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Colton and give him the life that
she never had. Sandy would look after

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Culture when Lena went to her,
I'm sorry, it's Culter. So if

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I said Colton, I'm sorry,
that was a mistake. It's Culture.

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Yeah. Lena was doing really well
for a few years after Coulter's birth.

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She stopped partying, she stopped all
of that, like I said, he

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changed her life. And in two
thousand and six, Lena had finally started

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to make a life for herself without
Sandy and with culture. She met a

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man that she was looking forward to
marrying, and they planned to settle down

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and have this family together. Her
fiance was going to be a great dead

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to Coulter, and Lena was working
to become financially independent from Sandy. You've

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set me up with a high Yeah, just take me. I'm sorry.

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Sandy of course felt very threatened.
So if all this is true, right,

407
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.160
that Lena knew this stuff about Sandy, she of course is now feeling

408
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:59.160
threatened by her daughter's maturity, and
she began to feel, you know,

409
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.319
I no longer have Lena under my
thumb. True that Lena might start talking

410
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:08.640
about what she knew. Tensions began
to rise between Sandy and Lena, which

411
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:14.799
then escalated when a lawsuit was filed. And this lawsuit was filed by Gary's

412
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.880
family for wrongful death. Oh shit, Yeah, his family felt that since

413
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:23.880
no criminal charges were pending, and
it didn't seem like criminal charges would even

414
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.519
ever be a possibility, that seven
years later or something. Yeah, it's

415
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:32.160
like seven years later the only way
they could get some satisfaction was to sue

416
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.759
Sandy for wrongful death. It's not
a criminal charge, but it also has

417
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.319
a lesser burden right to prove.
You don't have to prove beyond a reasonable

418
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:45.920
doubt. It's clear convincing evidence.
So I'm thinking that's like how oj got

419
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.000
convicted, probably right her death,
the more famous one that we know.

420
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.680
So the preponderance of the evidence,
is it a preponderance of the evidence or

421
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.640
clear and convincing? I can't remember. I can remember preponderance, preponderance because

422
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:03.079
the preponderance is below so reasonable,
yeah, and clear and convincing is lesser

423
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.000
than this. Yes. So they
alleged in the wrongful death suit that sand

424
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.200
and Chris were responsible for Gary's death
and that Lena was an accessory. So

425
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.480
Lena's part of this. Oh and
they hope that including Lena in the lawsuit.

426
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.319
Yeah, so here's finally the pressure
that you talked about a little bit

427
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.000
earlier, Like maybe they would put
this pressure on and maybe now she would

428
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.319
go to the prosecutor. Or it's
a prosecutor that does it, So maybe

429
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:32.359
get immunity somehow, like maybe trade
her testimony against Sandy for some kind of

430
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:37.079
lesser charge or some kind of immunity
for herself. However, is where you're

431
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.440
gonna get me sack. When the
time came to serve the lawsuit to Sandy,

432
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.480
Chris and Lena, they weren't able
to find Lena and knew it.

433
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.559
Yeah, to serve for the papers, they asked Sandy where Lena was because

434
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:55.119
they need to deliver this summons and
the complaint, and Sandy told them,

435
00:30:55.240 --> 00:31:00.000
oh, Lena ran off the Florida
with some guy that she just recently started

436
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.079
to sing, which seemed really odd
because the guy wasn't her fiance and she

437
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.559
son, and she didn't take Colter
with her. No, No, he's

438
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.519
with what Sandy right, something like
that. Yes, I kind of remembered

439
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.079
that. Now, Yeah, that's
why I don't like Sandy Noney reasons No.

440
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.759
Yes. On February fourteenth, two
thousand and six, Robin stopped by

441
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:25.440
Lena's house and this is when she
finds out Lena's boyfriend fiance tells her,

442
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.480
oh, your sister took off with
some guy to Florida, and so Robin's

443
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.240
like confused, like what what she
knows? Lena would never leave? Of

444
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.160
course, yeah, would never leave
colder and the boyfriend Beyonce told Robin,

445
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.920
well, that's what Sandy told me. Oh okay. So when Robin looked

446
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:48.440
around the house, she noticed none
of Lena's clothes were taken and all her

447
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:53.119
photos were still there, and she
knew Lena loved the photographs that she had,

448
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.839
so Robin was convinced that if she
had really laughed, she definitely at

449
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.599
least would have taken these photos with
her. So this seemed really weird to

450
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.160
rap him, like, not only
did she not take clothing, Jussel,

451
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.880
didn't take these precious or her son? Yeah or her yeah, exactly.

452
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.720
Yes. When Sandy told Brandy that
Lena left with some guy, she was

453
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.359
also confused. Brandy and Lena were
hanging out often together. I mean,

454
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.599
they were close and they would tell
each other everything. So for Brandy to

455
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.799
find out that Lena had left with
some guy through Sandy, no, she

456
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:28.680
would have known. No, Mom, call him bullshit. Sandy then told

457
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:32.279
the rest of Lena's sisters that Lena
had been saying bad things about them and

458
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.799
she wanted nothing more to do with
them. So they were like, they're

459
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.160
hanging out with there, I know, and the girls waited a few days

460
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:44.359
and hoped that Lena would show back
up, but she didn't, so her

461
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:50.799
sisters knew something was mom very,
very wrong. When Albert was told that

462
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.680
Lena was missing, he instantly he
knew, he knew. He felt like

463
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.920
Sandy had something to do with it. God, what an evil bitch.

464
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.559
Yeah, he felt Lena knew too
much. She would be able to get

465
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:06.160
Sandy locked away for the rest of
her life if she was able to tell

466
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.519
everyone what she allegedly saw right.
Robin later talked to police and said she

467
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.440
believed her mother killed Lena to keep
her quiet. All the sisters, who

468
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.759
was Robin, I'd be scared to
death to all of them. No.

469
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:24.240
Robin put up missing person flyers around
the neighborhood in hopes of getting information about

470
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.920
Lena, and then Robin found out
later that her mother was paying her little

471
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:35.160
sister's five dollars a piece to take
them down. Getting pissed Tanya, so

472
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.119
Robin later called Sandy confronted her,
and she said, I know that you're

473
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:42.920
the reason that Lena's not here.
You messed up this time. Now it's

474
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.359
one of my sisters. I'm going
to be the one that finds out.

475
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:49.759
One way, or another, whether
it's scary or Lena, I'm going to

476
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.000
be the one that finds out and
make sure that you rat. Well,

477
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.759
that's pretty brave, considering you think
your mom probably killed your sister and now

478
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.279
you're telling your mom and her husband. Eventually, see, Andy got custody

479
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:07.280
of culture oh home, and an
officer that was investigating Lina's case is convinced

480
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:13.199
that culter is one of the reasons
Sandy had for making her daughter disappear.

481
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.679
Allegedly, she wanted to raise Yeah, you know. Obviously one was to

482
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:23.880
hide the fact that Lena knew stuff. But then Sandy's was supposedly reportedly obsessed

483
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.280
with culter, like she always wanted
to have a son, Yeah, because

484
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.199
she had ten thousand daughters. Yeah, and she would even have culter color

485
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.920
mom, oh, which is weird. And Lena was really bothered by that.

486
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.960
Yeah, what is that? So
she just was really possessive and obsessed

487
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.159
with culture, and so they're thinking
maybe this was another reason, a second

488
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:51.360
reason. When Lena went missing,
Sandy filed abandonment charges against Lena to obtain

489
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.079
custody of culture, and since Lena
didn't show up to court, the court

490
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.800
had no choice. But to declare
that Lena had abandoned her child, Lena

491
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.320
has to get served. They might
have done alternate service. That's true,

492
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.719
that's true. In July of twenty
thirteen, Judge car Woods heard the wrongful

493
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:12.760
death lawsuit brought against Sandy and Chris
for the murder of Gary. Lena's recorded

494
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.920
confession wasn't played. It was not
allowed to be used as evidence for reasons

495
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.559
that I've said before. Yeah,
you can't very verify it, right,

496
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.960
but then if she's dead, that's
I know, you can kind of get

497
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.880
in. I mean, Albert could
testify to it, but it's your say,

498
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.239
you're right here say. Brandy and
Robin had taken the stand to testify

499
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.639
against their mom and implicate her in
the murder plot against Gary. When Brandy

500
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.039
took the stand, she testified about
the night that Chris had threatened her with

501
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.840
the god remember they were in the
truck. Yeah, and that Sandy really

502
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.079
didn't do anything to help her.
Brandy never thought she'd be able to testify

503
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.039
against her mom, but she knew
she needed to do it in order to

504
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:58.559
see some kind of justice for Gary's
family. The verdict in the civil trial

505
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.880
was that Chris and Sandy were found
liable for knowingly taking the life of Gary

506
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.519
McCullough. Sandy and Chris were ordered
to pay seven million dollars to Gary's family.

507
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:13.599
The family hasn't received any compensation.
I'm sure they don't have any anything,

508
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.039
probably not in their name. And
they never had much in their name,

509
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.800
even though Chris did have land and
stuff like property and stuff, but

510
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:22.360
I don't know he had time to
get it out of his name, right,

511
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.920
Yeah, I guess. In twenty
fourteen, Chris and Sandy got a

512
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:32.559
divorce. Oh oh, and Sandy
remarried, oh for like the fortieth time,

513
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:38.840
and all the wrong places, look
the wrong places whatever that is.

514
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.599
Yeah, and she married some guy
named Joe and she still his custody of

515
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.760
bold no, stop it, stop
it. And for a while Culter was

516
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:53.119
homeschooled because allegedly, Sandy's school didn't
want him to find out anything about his

517
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:57.880
mom. And that's another way to
keep him under control. Yeah right.

518
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.360
Lena's sisters have vowed to tell Coulter
the truth someday because they don't want Sandy

519
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.800
to get away with what they believe
she did. Oh, I mean,

520
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.320
it's just and Brandy's heartbroken I'm sure
all her sisters are heartbroken over the fact

521
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.039
that Sandy is raising and Lena didn't
get a chance to do it and she

522
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.159
adored her son, and Sandy,
you get away with it. Well,

523
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.960
where's Lena's body? Well, no
one knows. It's known that Chris and

524
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.039
Sandy had two properties when they were
married. One was in Sligo or Sligo

525
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:36.199
and one was an eighty acre ranch
north of Salem. That's a lot of

526
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:40.559
property. Brandy and Robin were given
permission by the new owners of the property

527
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:46.199
to search for Lena's remains, which
is obviously difficult. When Brandy went back

528
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:50.960
to that property, she recalled there
used to be a well there, and

529
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.239
the new owners had no recollection of
a well being there, So Brandy believes

530
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:59.679
maybe for some reason, Sandy filled
it in before it was sold. And

531
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:06.159
at the other property, Robin remembers
that after Lena's disappearance, Sandy had pointed

532
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.360
out, like there were four trees
in front of the house and told Robin

533
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.199
that's where I buried my dog Toby. I kind of remember that from the

534
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.679
show, And Robin thought, well, this is kind of weird because Sandy

535
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.440
had originally told Robin that she had
buried Toby at the top of a hill

536
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.599
under a tree at their old house. So this wasn't making sense, and

537
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:29.639
she's changing her story about burying her
pet. I can't believe she's even talking

538
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.280
to her mom. I know,
I think that might have happened before,

539
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.519
yeah, but I mean it was
obviously after Lena disappeared, and the police

540
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:44.840
did conduct a ground scan of the
area where Robin thought Lena could have been

541
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:50.000
buried, but after searching with ground
penetrating radar, there were no remains found.

542
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.400
Anybody that knows that doesn't live in
a city and knows property, eighty

543
00:38:53.440 --> 00:39:00.880
Eggers is a lot of land to
go through, especially if you burned by

544
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.320
That's what I'm thinking, because they
got away with it once right again,

545
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.639
right. Brandy and Robin obviously struggle
every day with the loss of their sister,

546
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:13.039
and they just really just want to
know what happened to her. Robin

547
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.039
told Unsolved Mysteries that she wants Lena
to know that she loved her, is

548
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.599
proud of her for keeping the girls
all together, because she was like their

549
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.599
rock when they were little, and
if it wasn't for her, they wouldn't

550
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.239
be together. Like they are now
and there isn't a day that goes by

551
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.079
her. She's not thinking of Lena. I bet what happened to Lena is

552
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.760
a lot like what could have happened
to Brandy. Yeah, and let's get

553
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.599
in the truck. It's pretty I
don't know, I know nothing. Allegedly.

554
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:46.079
I guess when Unsolved Mysteries was doing
was doing their episode, they reached

555
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:50.360
out to Sandy and Chris for interviews, but they got no real I have

556
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:55.760
no comment, no comment. Unsolved
Mysteries later released footage of some unseen interviews

557
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.239
from some of the episodes that didn't
make it into the documentary. One of

558
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.599
the interviews was Lena's description on the
night Gary was allegedly murdered. I think

559
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.320
maybe they played the tape. Lena
had told police that she took a ride

560
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:13.639
in Gary's truck before he died,
and it seemed odd to police because when

561
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.800
they chucked to Gary's truck, they
discovered you couldn't sit on the passenger side,

562
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:21.320
like the floor was covered in litter. So one of the police officers

563
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.599
said, I found it ironic because
in the one interview I did get with

564
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:27.880
Lena, she said that on the
night Gary left. She rode with him

565
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.920
in the truck but didn't want to
be seen with him, and she sat

566
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.119
on the floor of the truck.
And it just seems like, so they're

567
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.400
not sure. Maybe that with some
bullshit story, I don't know. Another

568
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.599
interview that was missed in the documentary
came from Chris Klemp's wife at the time,

569
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.760
because he was married when he met
Sandy. He was married. He

570
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:49.199
was married married, that's so cute. Yeah, So he was cheating on

571
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.280
her with Sandy, and Sandy was
cheating on Gary with Chris. So everybody's

572
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:58.119
cheating, okay, And apparently Chris's
wife, Jennifer, they got into a

573
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.400
screaming match one night. So they're
having screaming match. And he said something

574
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:06.280
to the effect of, I can't
worry about the stuffy now, I've got

575
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.519
to worry about killing a man.
Oh. Oh, I don't know,

576
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.000
you know what fish to fry.
Yeah, I really can't deal with your

577
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.719
bullshit at this moment. I've got
Yeah, I've got other important things on

578
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:22.320
my mind. The fuck is wrong
with people? Yeah, And she took

579
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.559
Chris to Gary's house and dropped him
off. The night of Gary's disappearance,

580
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:30.559
she said, and she said,
Chris was scared and she believes like that

581
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.320
was the night because she had up
picking him up later that night and she

582
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.360
said he was scared, and she
believes that's the night that Gary's body was

583
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:40.199
burnt. I don't know, Okay, it's her recollection, Okay. When

584
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:45.480
police opened the case into Lena's disappearance, they talked to Lena's boyfriend at the

585
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:50.360
time, and yes fiance, and
he told police he left Lena it was

586
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.880
Valentine's Day. Now, they kissed
and they had made plans for the day,

587
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.360
but when he returned home, Lena
wasn't there, but Sandy was,

588
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.400
and she was cleaning out of Lena's
belongings from their apartment. And he said,

589
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.880
you know, so they live together, Lena and her mom and her

590
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.599
boyfriend. Oh, Lena and her
boyfriend fiance, oh, fyance, and

591
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:14.840
then mom is there. They're cleaning
out Lina's belongings like that same day,

592
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.320
so that was weird. He said. He never saw Lena again after that,

593
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.000
so that was kind of odd.
I would be like, what the

594
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.960
hell are you doing here? No, right, like, what are you

595
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.920
doing? And that's when she told
him, Well, Lena ran off with

596
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:29.719
another guy. So I'm just here
to get her stuff, probably is what

597
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.559
she said. This where I'm gonna
end the story, Okay, And it's

598
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.920
unsolved, and I'm sorry, I
hate this obviously with unsolved mysteries. I

599
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:38.400
mean, you all got a clue
a little bit earlier that it was not

600
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:43.360
solved. But I kind of know
what happened. We know it happened.

601
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.280
It's just there's no there's not enough
evidence to bring charges against anyone. And

602
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.480
the same with Gary. There's no
criminal charges pending or anything. But if

603
00:42:53.519 --> 00:43:00.239
you know anything regarding the disappearance of
Lena Chapin, please contact the Dent County,

604
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:06.880
Missouri Sheriff's office at five seven three
seven two nine three two four one,

605
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:08.880
or you can go to unsolved mysage. I mean, I'm sure you

606
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:15.360
would have already went to unsolved you're
listening to. Yeah, So if anyone

607
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.159
has any information, it would be
nice to have some closure. But and

608
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.480
you guys some real pissars here.
I'm just saying, I'm sorry everyone,

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Can you just give me like solved
one? I know, but this was

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a really interesting story and it needs
to be told because Lena's family needs some

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kind of closure. Too bad.
There's not more information that somebody knows.

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I mean, somebody does know everybody, and there's only two people allegedly they

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know Chris saying and I'm thinking even
though they're divorced, they're not saying anything

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anything because they could, you know, they could. They're both in trouble.

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Yeah, then they're both in trouble. So if a legend, I'm

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not saying anything, I know,
I wasn't there. I wasn't there,

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so but I have an idea.
But thank you, thank you anyone watching

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and listening. Well, first of
all, I want to thank my lovely

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co host Tanya. You're welcome,
an LN Marie Jane. You guys can

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check us out on our website,
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some cool merchandise. Does we have
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website too? Yeah? Yep,
bucket, fuck you fuck off? Ye

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yeah, I'm sure to say what
I'm dead inside hardcore true crime. Don't

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kill each other, don't kill each
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lot of our episodes. I say, what the fuck, Tanya, Yeah,

626
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you probably felt that way about this
one because it's unsolved. I know

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she swears too, though she's actually
had a really bad don't let this little

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school teacher Sunday school teacher act fool
anybody. So you can go to our

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website, Crime Consequences. You can
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if you do, we are probably
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you. Unless unless you're into that, but you know, go ahead.

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And then we also have what's called
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a week audio for our paid subscribers, and we also release the audio for

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this audio slash video early and they're
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hundred episodes. And yeah, what
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checkt crimes. But you have our
website, Oh, social media. We

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haven't done that in a while though, our social not really there's good stuff

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on there if you're into true crime. I mean, we do feature some

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other cases and stuff that we've never
covered, and it's at hardcore true crime.

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And that's about it. That's it
until our next episode. Don't kill

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each other. Bye bye