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And there's also an offer with the transcription transfers, which I'll 36 00:03:55,719 --> 00:04:00,240 tell you about after the post episode commentary. Just because we're running a bit 37 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:06,520 long here. The episode of follow Mans We're Gonna Play originally aired May the 38 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:42,079 thirtieth of nineteen fifty and the title is The World Around Murder Case. I'm 39 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,800 going to do it. No, I'm going to kill him. And there's 40 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,000 nothing you can do to stuff very please. There isn't much you and I 41 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,879 can do in this world. Letty for obvious reasons. But one thing I 42 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:55,399 know I can do, and that's killed Whitey Rand. He's no good. 43 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:59,639 He's hurting the sweetest girl in this carnival. I'm not going to let him 44 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:02,399 get away. Don't talk about killing like that? Why not? What am 45 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:05,639 I supposed to do? Let Sally be hurt or No, she's old enough 46 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,399 to know what she's doing. No girl is old enough to know what she's 47 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:13,360 doing when a man like Whitey Rand is around. You've seen him operate, 48 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,079 You've seen him swindle the suckers in that penny pitching concession he has. Do 49 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,920 you ever see anything so smooth? It Still is no reason for you to 50 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,199 get into a murder mess, Betty, No, what could happen to me 51 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,160 if I killed him? I don't know. Of course you don't know. 52 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,240 Don't you realize I'm one of the only persons in the world who can commit 53 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:35,079 murder and not be punished. That's no reason for your reason. So the 54 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,160 more reason I can kill Whity Rand. I can be caught killing him. 55 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,240 I can confess that I killed him. I can tell the police that I 56 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:47,079 planned the crime in advance. Still, they can do nothing to me because 57 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:51,879 of me, that's right. Because of you you would be innocent, yes, 58 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:56,519 And they can't very well do anything to me without affecting you, that's 59 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:00,000 right, sister, dear. I think this is the first time being Siamese 60 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,800 twins having been born and joined together. He's going to do either of us 61 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:30,079 any good? Yo, Yo? You finishing? Yes about honey breakfast riding? 62 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,439 It will be when you are Why did you hear the radio? I 63 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:40,759 can't hear anything with us water rhine. Wait a minute, I'm happy. 64 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:43,199 There was a murder over at the carnival at the end of town. A 65 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,560 fellow named Whitey Rand was killed. Oh is that all? Yeah, except 66 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,040 that it's one of those mystery murders. Yeah. After the crowd had left, 67 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,680 the fellow was found dead with a broken neck right on the midway. 68 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,560 What's for breakfast? Why don't you care about the murder? I sure, 69 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,199 Molly, but I also care about my job. I gotta be break up 70 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:01,600 a road in an hour, and i'd like to eat first. Reasonable. 71 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:04,439 Oh sure, Hey, you've got a little soap on your left ear. 72 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,040 Oh, I put off and come on in murder isn't your business? That's 73 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,759 right? Look how's that soap? Oh? Come on, then let's get 74 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:28,439 some breakfast so I can be off to work. Hey, Joe, Joe, 75 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,560 talk up, Mike. I got a little competition from those nomadic drills, 76 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,839 right Andy? Wait, do you eat lunch? Joe at the dinner 77 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,600 on the corner? Why did you hit the extra on right? He ran 78 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,680 money? Oh? I didn't know the guy was killed, and my wife 79 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,600 told me when I was watching up this morning. What's the extra district? 80 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:48,360 Attorney Markham is letting the carnival stay up until the killer is found. What 81 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,720 kind of an extra is that? And that ain't all the radio, said 82 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,800 the district Attorney Markham, calling Final Vans to help solve the case. You 83 00:07:56,879 --> 00:08:01,399 know Fino Vans. I do you know about him? Everybody does. He's 84 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,560 a private investigator when it comes to solving murder cases. He's a genius. 85 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:07,720 That's fine. Only I got a steak waiting at home for me when I 86 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,639 get through working. Molly cooked it. And brother, when Molly cooks is 87 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:28,879 steak, you're can have your Final Vans. She's a real genius. What 88 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,200 do you think here going? Man? Glad the wagon? I understand the 89 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,679 owner of this carnival uses for an office. Sure it does for a private 90 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,559 office. That's why I'm outside to see it stays private. I'm certain that's 91 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,559 the reason. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go in and see 92 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,759 mister Bryan. That's great, Only I ain't excusing you. Look, my 93 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:48,919 name is Vans, Final Vans. I'm going in to see mister Bryce. 94 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:52,159 You know it's a fake thing. He'll say, you're going in? I 95 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,240 say, Yanks, what do you think is gonna happen. Get up. 96 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,320 That's a matter of opinion. He'll back up my opinion. This will show 97 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,080 you how wrong it is to be opinionated. Sorry, my friend, but 98 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:13,279 I'm going in to see mister Bryce. Pleasn't dreams. Mister Bryce, come 99 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,960 in. I'm a sucker enough to try and stop you. Thank you. 100 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:20,279 You heard the conversation I had with your man outside then? Yeah, I 101 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,200 heard it. What's your pitch Vans? A man named Whitey Rand was killed 102 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,840 here at your carnival, Bryce, I want to know all about about Rand. 103 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,480 He worked here, grabbed up a lot of soft with a pennifiting gimmick, 104 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,360 a lot of soft money, folding money. Rand Rod space here set 105 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:37,159 up as pitch. He made his play. I imagine that means he operated 106 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:41,639 a concession. What girl did he run around with? Girl? Come on, 107 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:43,840 you must understand that word? You know girl? Oh? One of 108 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:46,480 them things? Yeah? Why was making a play for Sally Miller? And 109 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:50,759 who didn't like it? What do you get that brand was killed? I'm 110 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,440 trying to find out whether or not jealousy was a motive who didn't like the 111 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,799 fact that Whitey was making a play for Sally. Nobody liked it? Least 112 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:03,039 of all. Krando a strong man, and Rand's neck was broken. Maybe 113 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,279 I am on the right track. Where is Krandell he blew? You mean 114 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,440 he's left? Uh huh? How about SELLI Miller? Where she she blew 115 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,240 with Crandell? Maybe all I know is Krando wanted to put a hope in 116 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,720 her hand, and he was doing good to a Rand made his pitch. 117 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,320 You got a lumpy vance, I hope not lumpies. A watch? What 118 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:28,120 time is it? All? What time is it? Why? That's exactly 119 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,960 four thirty? Why? Look? You can come in here at any time 120 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 you like, but right now, I got an appointment. Okay if I 121 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,840 blow? Yes, you wanted to know what time it was a moment ago, 122 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,279 answer it exactly. I'd say it was time I started to get some 123 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:56,399 action on finding out who killed Whitey Rand. I'd step right up. It 124 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,799 is a gentlemen, step right up for a ride on the w US with 125 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,759 no spills, right, the ride that takes your breath away only fifteen cents. 126 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Step up to the cash here and get your time the biggest rider you 127 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:13,799 ever had in your life. Ride the well around well? Alright, ready, 128 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,960 so let's right pitch I'm mechan suckers a buying ticket. Nothing wrong, 129 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,639 Freddy, Only why aren't you operating the mechanism? What Johnny doing? He 130 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,360 put backing for chance? Get back there and let Johnny make this pitch. 131 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,759 That mechanism goes bad, we'll have a million dollars in lawsuits. Don't you 132 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:30,799 think things are tough enough around here? With Bidy around being murdered? Oh 133 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:33,679 wow, Johnny's pretty good to run to mister Price. Look, Freddy, 134 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:35,919 only two guys can really operate the world around you and me. I know, 135 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,519 but I'll get back there. I got trouble enough already, and I 136 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:41,440 don't want anymore, all right, ip, I do get any more trouble. 137 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:54,879 I don't want you to come from you. It's very hard. You'd 138 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,000 understand what you're saying. If you continue crying, I'm sorry, mister Markham. 139 00:11:58,159 --> 00:12:03,279 I'll try to stop. It's much better. I'll tell me. Why 140 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,720 did you decide to disappear from the carnival. I had to. I knew 141 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:09,919 the police would question me about the murder of Whitey Rand, so I ran 142 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,039 away, and and I knew that was the wrong thing, so I came 143 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,960 to see you. It was very good that you did. I'm destrict attorney, 144 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,080 not a person you can't trust. Well, tell me what you know 145 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,879 of Rand's dead. Well, I told you he liked me. Yes, 146 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,039 I gathered that much from what you said. And you mentioned a man named 147 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,559 Krando, the Carnival strong man. He liked you too. Krando ran away 148 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,440 with me, but I made him go. You can see him any time 149 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,000 you like. He's at the boarding house where we all live. That's fine. 150 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:45,000 I'll tell me why you came to me, mister Markham. My best 151 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:50,679 friends at the carnival were Betty and Letty, and I'm almost afraid ask who 152 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,279 they are. They're Siamese twins. Yeah. Yeah. They both disliked Whitey 153 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,120 Rand. They didn't like the idea that he was taking me out after the 154 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,879 shows. Betty told Whitey one night to leave me alone, as she'd kill 155 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:05,600 him. That's what I had to tell you. So one of the Siamese 156 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:11,279 twins said that did she tell me, miss Miller? They are real Siamese 157 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,480 twins. Nothing fake about them, Oh, definitely not. They were born 158 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,960 joined together. They come from somewhere in Europe. I think when Betty threatened 159 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,080 Whitey, Letty her sister tried to calm her down, but it didn't do 160 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,240 any good. This is a fine situation. If Betty made good on her 161 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:28,320 promise to kill Whitey, what can I do about it? I can't possibly 162 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,840 bring her to trial considering the fact that Letty, her sister, is apparently 163 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,799 innocent. No, it's a funny thing that you bring that up, mister 164 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,080 Markham. Why is that That's exactly what Betty told Whitey Ran the night before 165 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:52,879 he was killed. Yes, Markham, m I understand about the Siamese twins. 166 00:13:52,759 --> 00:13:56,240 Rather confusing, isn't it? Rather? I'd say it was very confusing 167 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:01,399 fans. What happens if you prove one of them killed Rand? I don't 168 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,320 know what are you doing? Vance? Watch the little red circle, Markham. 169 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:09,240 Vance, we're working on a murder case and you're pitching metal discs. 170 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,279 What's the idea? This is the concession the late Whitey Rand operated. The 171 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,840 idea is to stand here and toss a metal disc the size of a penny, 172 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,840 so that it goes in the red circle up there like this, It 173 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:24,960 didn't go in the circle. It couldn't go in the circle, Markham. 174 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,000 Couldn't you see the entire board is magnetized with the exception of the circle. 175 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,679 No matter how close the disc you throw would come to the circle, the 176 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,080 magnetic pull would draw it out of it. And Whitey Rand had a little 177 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,279 racket going for me sort of. But I don't think that had anything to 178 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,600 do with his being killed. You don't. No. Let me see. 179 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,399 Now we have how many suspects three that I know of, Sally Miller, 180 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,320 the girl who was making a play for Crando or strong man boyfriend, and 181 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,480 the Siamese twins or is that fall? I couldn't say. But our problem 182 00:14:56,519 --> 00:15:01,440 at the moment is to narrow down those suspects until we what's that fire is 183 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,519 over there at the carousel vance those woulden the horses are going a minute. 184 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,159 Come on, let's see what we can do to help. All right, 185 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,960 that's enough breeze blow to spread the planes all over the carnivals. Look, 186 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,879 they've formed a bucket brigade. Perhaps they can control the blazes, I hope. 187 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,279 So let's stay right here. Anything we can do to help, nah 188 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:26,600 fix Thanks for sav well, just in case this situation was wasn't difficult enough, 189 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:28,000 We have to have a fire at the carnival. Oh, it isn't 190 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,440 too much of a fire, but it would have been of a warrant caught 191 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,000 so quickly. I'm wondering about something. What were you wondering about? Vance? 192 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,799 Oh? Hello, Bryce marcol Do you know the owner of the carnival, 193 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,720 Stephen Bryce. Yes, we've read this fire is going to hurt you, 194 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:43,960 Bryce, sure, but what can I do about it? This joint 195 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:48,080 is jinxed? Superstitious, mister Bryce? Mean yes, you have to be 196 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,159 superstitious to get leary when a guy is murdered your show and then a fire 197 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,519 breaks out the next day, No, I imagine, not, hey, 198 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,720 Banks, this one. I was coming along here and telling markhom you are 199 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,080 wondering about something. What it doesn't concern you? Well, those firemen certainly 200 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,200 have this under control now, Margaret, mister Bryce, you won't have any 201 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:08,000 problem about this fire now. But it did some damage, of course, 202 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,600 but I don't think it has any real importance. And view the fact that 203 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,519 it was brought under control so quickly, I guess you're right, Hey, 204 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:17,159 get a load of that big hose going into action. The fire will be 205 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:19,759 out in a moment now. But Markham, you said that you didn't think 206 00:16:19,799 --> 00:16:22,960 the fire had any real importance, didn't you? That's right. It was 207 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:26,600 checked immediately and it's practically out now. How couldn't have any importance? I'm 208 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:30,360 not sure? But what would you say if I told you that the fire 209 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,159 and the murder of Whitey Rand are tied up? You feel all Advance? 210 00:16:34,279 --> 00:16:37,840 I feel wonderful, mister Bryce, better now than I've felt at any time 211 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:41,960 on this case. At last, I have something to work on. The 212 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:47,120 fire might tell me who broke Whitey Rand's neck, so I can break this 213 00:16:47,200 --> 00:17:07,119 case. This is District Attorney markham a murder case we're working on. Concerns 214 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,119 the death of Whitey Rand, found with his neck broken at Stephen Bryce's outdoor 215 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,759 carnival. We have several suspects, none of whom Final Vans is seen. 216 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,559 But a fire at the carnival apparently has given Vance an idea as to who 217 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,880 might have killed Rand. What the connection between the fire and the killing hands? 218 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,039 I don't know. Advance has had more astounding theories than that and been 219 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,440 right. Meanwhile, a vast vance to come into my office to become it's 220 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:37,240 quite a problem, you know, Vans. People's next don't break very easily. 221 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,319 I know, markham Man. It was very apparent that Whitey Rand wasn't 222 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,279 hit with any kind of an instrument. A medical examiner says there were no 223 00:17:44,319 --> 00:17:47,480 marks that would indicate he was slug which gives us a double problem. Of 224 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:51,799 course, how was Rand killed? And who killed him? One thing about 225 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,480 us vans we don't often get simple things to decipher, which I am, 226 00:17:55,519 --> 00:18:00,559 Dulie. Thank. Murder intrigues you, doesn't it? Not exactly? It's 227 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:03,359 like this, Markham. Somebody believes he can figure out a plan which nobody 228 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,640 else can trace back. I like to find ways to trace a murder back, 229 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,640 of which the most important, of course, is a clue, which 230 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,480 we don't have at the moment, but which we will have, even if 231 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:18,720 I have to manufacture one. That's a new business. You're in clue manufacturing. 232 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,200 How do you do that? Well, you take a motivation, Markham, 233 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,440 and you enlarge on it until you're reasonably certain you're right. Then you 234 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:30,000 work on it until it reveals something you didn't know before, and there's your 235 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:33,839 clue. I know you have a theory about this murder of ads, but 236 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,880 do you have a motivation? I have several, But carnival people are curious 237 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,920 people, Markham, and the solution of this mystery might very well, be 238 00:18:44,039 --> 00:19:00,640 a freak. What's happening to all of us? Nobody has tucked into anybody 239 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,960 else. Look, everybody, this is a dinner table, not a morgue. 240 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:07,759 We're worried, Betty. If they close the carnival permanently, we have 241 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:14,799 no job. So what Letty look at Jolly Irene. She weighs four hundred 242 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:17,759 and seventy five pounds, so she does need for a while. It'll do 243 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:22,759 a good. The husband slim, he never eats anyhow. And how about 244 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:26,960 it, jack me, Yeah, you're a fire eader. You can always 245 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,920 bump a match and have dinner. What is it a jax? Sup? 246 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,799 Well, now that's better. Now we are acting more like ourselves. What 247 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,200 are we going to worry about? Anyhow? We can get jobs. Letty 248 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,000 and I can get a job. Everybody hires Siamese twins. Every carnival need 249 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,599 fire reader, sure, and the fat woman and the thin man, and 250 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:55,079 the magician and a strong man and concession operators. Even Bryce can get another 251 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,839 job. What would the owner of our little company need a job for? 252 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:03,240 Yesterday burned down the carousel, but it was insured for plenty, your sister 253 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,160 means even if it was not insured, it could get job operating world around. 254 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,839 Yeah, I'm not treat with the world around operators in country and Bryce 255 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,960 was one of the best before it took over Carnival. Well, then it 256 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,160 is like Betty said, we all can get jobs. So what do we 257 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,079 worried about. Why let's do something to cheer ourselves up real good. And 258 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,759 I know what we will do that. We'll give us some real laugh. 259 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,319 What is that? What is it people always do when they come to our 260 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,039 carnival and they're looking for relaxation. They come over to our tenth look at 261 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,039 us and laughs. Exactly, let's all of us get some real laughs. 262 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:56,720 Let's go out and look at people as the journey Markam's begin, Markam, 263 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,599 this is Vans. I'm down at the carnival ground. If you are, 264 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,279 you're all be lonesome. Is nobody on the grounds? Is their Vance? 265 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,359 No? But things are beginning to add up to me. I know the 266 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,000 fires started your mental edition, Vance. What's happened since? Well, it 267 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:11,240 is possible that I can tell you how Whitey Rand's neck was broken. We 268 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,279 have several theories such as Crando the strong Man might have cracked Rand's neck. 269 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,119 True, two people working in Unison might have done it. In fact, 270 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,920 it might have been done in any several ways, but not without there being 271 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,079 some kind of a mark on the neck, a bruise or discoloration. And 272 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,440 there wasn't. No, I told you are not a trace of one. 273 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:32,039 Then I'm getting close to home. Markham. Please dig up a man named 274 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:36,079 Freddy if you can. Freddy Freddy who I don't know his second name, 275 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:38,319 but he ran one of the carnival rides. You can check the records and 276 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,839 find him. I'm sure I'll try after that. While then I'd like you 277 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,960 to bring Freddy with you and meet me at the carnival had a ride called 278 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,599 the Whirl Around, the ride where people sit in little cars and are spun 279 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,559 around and round. Exactly that's the whirl Around. And if I'm right, 280 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:56,440 it's going to result an hour not going around in circles. On this case. 281 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:08,839 You pull this lever here, mister Markham, that starts the cars going 282 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,880 round. Go ahead, flip back. Mats is in one of the cars. 283 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,759 I want to see if he's ready for us just a second, Freddy, 284 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:22,960 Oh y, here we go. Now. The reason this right so 285 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,680 top top rate, mister Markham, is that you're gonna watch so many things. 286 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,200 The speed, the gears mission. You gotta see the mess just right, 287 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,319 so the cars bump what never go off the track. And when you 288 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,119 got the right speed, you move that lever up a little. Go ahead, 289 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,799 move it right there? We are, keep watching them gears every second. 290 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,519 You'll watch. Oh, Matts, this is really I'll be around to 291 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,960 get him a second so I can talk to him, find way to hold 292 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,240 a conversation. Uh, bats, have you fought out anything? Yes, 293 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,960 Markham, I'm sure they want me to stop the machine. Then I'll ask 294 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,880 him, very commas vats. Shall we stop this now? Of course, 295 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,240 not I'm having I'm not. Let's stop this thing, Freddie, right, 296 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:10,119 just reversed the handle on that clever. That's it. You want to ride 297 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:15,200 too? Not exactly? Come on advance, I'll help you out of that 298 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,240 car. I'm quite all right, my friend. That certainly was a thrilling 299 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,599 experience. I imagine it was. But how did it help our case? 300 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,640 MARKA might found out something very important? Oh, Freddie, emmath Vans, 301 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:30,200 what's up? Where were you when Whitey Rand was killed? Home and in 302 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,359 bed? If the time the paper said he was killed is right? I 303 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,079 like my sleep. You can prove that. Why not? He can prove 304 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,079 it rights all right, We'll give him a chance to. But Freddie, 305 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,000 this whirl around is a difficult ride to operate. Who else could do it? 306 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,160 Nobody else? Are you sure? I was teaching a young pump, 307 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,759 but he wasn't very good at it. Who taught you? The boss, 308 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,319 mister Bryce, best whirl around operator in the country before he took over the 309 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,240 carnival? And when was there a couple of years a gold vance There was 310 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,440 a fire and you said that proved something. Now you took a ride on 311 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,000 this amusement device, and apparently that proves something too. Would you mind telling 312 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,880 me exactly what the fire and the ride indicate. Yes, they indicate Whitey 313 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,720 Rand's murderer. But they also indicate that there isn't a way in the world 314 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,079 at this moment that I can prove who killed Rand. You can't, but 315 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,359 I can try, Marcolm. Would you get mister Bryce to my office at 316 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:30,599 nine tonight? No, Krando. My sister would do it. She would 317 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,000 be glad to do anything that would help you in Sally, but I won't 318 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:37,279 let her. You must do it, must say you killed Why do you 319 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,759 ran? I'll say it sure, I'll say it. They can't do anything 320 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,799 to me. I've claimed that I killed him, then nobody would bother you 321 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,079 or Sally Crandon. Police question me, they questioned Sally, they say k 322 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,240 ran or rand. I think they arrest us. They won't if I confess, 323 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:53,880 And that's just what I'm going to do. Better. You can't un't, 324 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,839 I though, you Just wait and see. I think that the publicity 325 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,960 will get that the Siamese twins is a murderer but the other is innocent. 326 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:07,000 That's justice in this case. Please do miss Betty. Nobody bother you then, 327 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,119 and police leave. Sally and me all do this for me. I 328 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,240 take care of you, all right, Betty, I'll let you do it. 329 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,519 But crandall, yeah, don't take care of us the way maybe you 330 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:34,200 took care of Whitey rent Vance. Where are your vans here in my private 331 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,920 office? I'm coming in tell me why I had the district attorney asked me 332 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,400 to come in here. Please close the door, will you? Let's Sadie 333 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:45,960 keeping your back turned towards me. It's my own idea and there's no need 334 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,640 for it to be a secret any longer. Look at me, what's with 335 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,640 you wearing that Cutton, mask over your nose and mouth. That's the idea 336 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,400 I was telling you about. Look over on my desk. What do you 337 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,559 see, mister Bryce. Now this is really getting five balloons. What are 338 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,920 you doing with five balloon I'll show you, mister Bryce, I know you 339 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,240 killed Whitey Ran what of course, I don't know why you killed him, 340 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,480 but I know how you did it. Unfortunately I can't prove it. Isn't 341 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,039 that too bad? Yes, it's the reason I've got to kill you. 342 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,160 Now let's keep the same, Bance. What did you say. I said, 343 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,839 I've got to kill you. I can't miss on a case, and 344 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,319 I can't prove you killed Rand even though I know you did. So these 345 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,440 balloons, this mask, and this office, which you will observe is air 346 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:32,480 tight, are necessary. Now the door locked. Briefly, mister Bryce, 347 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,559 Sometimes the machinery of the law allows a guilty person to remain at liberty because 348 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:40,680 of the word proof. I don't have it in your case, So you 349 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,559 are going to give it to me or die. You're a madman, Bance. 350 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,200 I've never been accused of that before. These five balloons I now hold 351 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,599 in my hand, one of them contains a poisonous gas. They're all the 352 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,160 same color, so I don't know which one it is, but I don't 353 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,119 care. This mask will protect me from the gas. If I don't talk, 354 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,960 you'll break the balloons one by one like this. Don't Apparently that was 355 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:08,160 one that didn't contain the gas. Four more, and with each one, 356 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,000 your hope of living gets slimmer. I want to confess, mister Bryce. 357 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,079 Oh, I don't. I never will. I would not the gas balloon. 358 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,200 Three more. Mister Bryce, you still have a chance if you confess. 359 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,680 What makes you so sure I did it? I didn't. I didn't 360 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,720 kill Whidi Ran. But two more. I can't admit anything I didn't do. 361 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,279 Apparently I left the gas balloon for last. Well, Bryce, go 362 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,680 jump in the lake. The whole thing was a trick. There was no 363 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:38,839 gassing. Let me out of here, doors locked, Let me out, 364 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,680 Diet, Open this door, certainly. Why did you kill Hidy Rand? 365 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:47,240 What was the motive? I'll tell you everything everything. I killed Rand because 366 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,000 even though I had swindled the former owner out of the carnival and he was 367 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480 blackmail on me. Open this door. Keep talking, Bryce, laughter, 368 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,480 You tell me all I want to know. Tell Mark on how I knew 369 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:19,240 it was you who killed Rand? Well, Mike Vans saw the white he 370 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,920 ran killing. Now let's get on home, right, But did you read 371 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,720 how he did it? Sure he may believe he had gas in one of 372 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,759 the balloons, and he sold the idea so good that guy Bryce started coffin 373 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,759 and confess I didn't take no brains. But figuring now Bryce was the killer, 374 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,960 did you see? Vans knew that Rand's neck was busted, there were 375 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,680 no marks on him, so he figured that Rand was tied to that world 376 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,319 around right one night after the carnival closed, and the thing spun around so 377 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,599 fast that Rand's neck was snack. I oh, I know. And he 378 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,799 found out that only two guys could operate the world around, Bryce and a 379 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,640 kid named Freddie who had an alibi. Yeah, the paper said something about 380 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,519 Van skipping the idea that Bryce was guilty from the fire in the carnival. 381 00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,640 That's right. Vans figured the fire was supposed to wipe out the carnival. 382 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:03,359 Rice would collect insurance and get out of the country and nobody's bothering from then. 383 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,519 I they'd better stop for dislike you know that balloon idea advances was pretty 384 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:15,160 smart. Who'd be scared just because a balloon broke Hey, who'd be scared? 385 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,519 You'd be scared. That kid just broke a balloon over there, and 386 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:26,559 it almost had you jumping out of your skin. Oh well, that's the 387 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,039 end of the balloon. Yep, the end of the balloon and the end 388 00:29:32,079 --> 00:30:56,920 of the well around murder case. Welcome back. I don't think I have 389 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:03,920 laughed so hard at this series then I did. With the scene with follow 390 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:10,160 Vans on the World Around and being like, don't stop, I'm having fun 391 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:17,279 was funny. I think it was funnier because there was very little effort put 392 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:22,720 into making you believe that Vance was riding an amusement park ride. My god, 393 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:27,599 he's be expecting him to be going, you know, that sort of 394 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:33,400 thing, or maybe Vance is too dignified for that, and so even to 395 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,839 the most extreme thrills, he's like, I am having fun. Now. 396 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,759 In my mind, I imagine that what they're talking about with the World Around 397 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:49,720 is a lot like a modern day tilt whirld, although obviously that sort of 398 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:56,160 ride has changed quite a bit since the nineteen fifties, and anyone who's more 399 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,440 of an expert on that I would welcome there guidance. The fact that the 400 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:09,599 owner was the best world around operator in the country made me wonder did they 401 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:16,279 have championships for this? Did people gather and bet money or how did you 402 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,200 determine that? Or I mean, it seems like they were building up the 403 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:30,480 complexity of operating the machine in order to restract the possible number of suspects, 404 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:39,240 which makes vances tainted solve even less impressive because he only had two suspects, 405 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:45,240 one of whom had an alibi and no real motive. I think that I 406 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:52,960 know the voice of the carnival operator. To me, it sounded kind of 407 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:58,559 like Lawn Clark, who played Nick Carter, But I'm not one sure. 408 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:04,440 I feel like I am probably going to get an avalanche of emails telling me 409 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,119 who it was, and then I'm gonna be all a little silly for not 410 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:15,720 catching a run away. In terms of crimes by conjoined twins, it really 411 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:22,119 is one of those questions where we don't have a clear answer because it's not 412 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:29,640 something that comes up a lot, so we've got really limited precedence. But 413 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:35,079 it is also something that people are curious about. When I was doing research 414 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,720 on this, I found that back in two thousand and none. I believe 415 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:46,880 there was an online answer man sort of column, and they let folks vote 416 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:53,559 on what was the issue or the question that they didn't address that should be 417 00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:02,799 addressed, and by far the question of as by conjoining twins was number one. 418 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,280 And there is at least a little bit a precedent to not being able 419 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:20,400 to punish a conjoining twin because of the innocent twin. The most famous conjoined 420 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:27,440 twins or Ching and In, and they'd add a lot of sideshow work. 421 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:36,559 So one day someone grabbed Ching's hand and held it very tight, and Shing 422 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:44,800 responded by punching the spectator, who then turned around and filed an assault complaint 423 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:51,519 against Ching, but the court held that because Ng would have to go to 424 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,719 prison, he Chin could not be held to account for the crime. Of 425 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:04,480 course, there are a lot of variables, such as cases where a conjoined 426 00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:10,280 twin could be considered to be an accessory to the crime committed by the other 427 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,119 twin, but these are pretty far out ideas that have not really played out 428 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:21,719 in real life. 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I was one of their customers at the time. 455 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:57,519 Their business model was to buy original transcription disc at old time radio shows, 456 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:01,159 digitize them, and then auction off the disc so that they could have 457 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,719 money to buy more disks. I've been on and one a set of sixteen 458 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:13,440 inch disc of the Calling All Cars show from the nineteen thirty five through nineteen 459 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:19,119 thirty eight period. Thanks to eBay, I eventually found a portable record player 460 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,039 that can play sixteen inch disc. Now, I don't know if radio archives 461 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,559 had to clean the disc, but I do know that all of them are 462 00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,800 in pristine shape and sound fantastic. So it would be a mistake to think 463 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:35,199 that old time radio show recordings have to sound all scratchy to sound authentic. 464 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,880 If an old time radio show recording sounds really good, it doesn't necessarily mean 465 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,039 that the digital file was manipulated. It could just mean that the digital file 466 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:51,280 was created from a really clean transcription disk. Well, thanks for the comments, 467 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,679 say saving and I should say that they're not technically a sponsor, it's 468 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,320 more like an affiliate relationship, but I think are absolutely right. Now. 469 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:10,119 Obviously, there are some transcription desks that are stored very well and haven't been 470 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,039 cared for in a bad way and don't really require any cleaning, and then 471 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,880 there are others that really in order to get sound, you've got to do 472 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,639 a lot of work to even get them to record. I have a story 473 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,400 about one series which we're going to eventually get to, where the restoration work 474 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:38,960 that had to be done because these disks were actually covered with filth. Was 475 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:45,519 really a process. I do remember reading of one Radio Archives collection where they 476 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,000 did have to do quite a bit of work on it. I don't remember 477 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:54,360 which one it was. But sometimes there is some physical cleaning and there is 478 00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:00,519 some physical damage to the desk because of how they have been stored or cared 479 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:07,480 for, had an accident, and so whoever's restoring it needs to, you 480 00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,920 know, work with the disk in ways that are far beyond my capabilities in 481 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:16,239 order to get good sound out of them. But just the normal disc don't 482 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:27,000 sound poor. Something about this transcription transfer is that they are actually sharing the 483 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,119 raw transfer from the disk before it had been cleaned up, and I mean 484 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,199 was thought, I wonder how this is going to sound, and it still 485 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,760 sounds really good. You might hear like a little bit of a pop or 486 00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:50,199 audio noise that would have been edited out had that actually gone through the full 487 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:58,159 restoration process, but it's still better than most of the MP three's out there 488 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,920 that some people would think sound authentic. And I imagine that if you were 489 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:07,159 playing the disk when it was first put out, you wouldn't find really most 490 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:14,320 of those issues that you might hear on an older transfer, And I think 491 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,920 that some of the things that are flaws that we associate with being real radio 492 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:27,880 are things that you know, people experience because of equipment or because they were 493 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,480 far away from the station. I mean, I don't think that if you 494 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,880 were, say back in nineteen fifty, and you were talking to your friend 495 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:45,559 and said, I listened to follow of ads and it sounded all scratchy and 496 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,239 the audio was all distorted, and your friend said, well, it sounded 497 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,440 fine to me. Of course, I'll have half a block from the radio 498 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:59,840 station and I have this really great Filco console. Nobody would say you hadn't 499 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:04,239 had an authentic lessening experience. I'm glad you were able to get the disc 500 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,559 sace off. I do remember seeing them on the website a long time back. 501 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,760 I thought about getting them, and I've thought about buying transcription disc off 502 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,119 of eBay, even though I have no intention of playing them, just to 503 00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:22,239 have them as a cool thing to have. But they only have so much 504 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,119 room in my house, and my wife when I bring home new types of 505 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,920 things, guess doesn't like it. But glad that worked out for you. 506 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,400 Now let's go ahead and thank our Patreon supporter of the day, and I 507 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,280 want to go ahead and thank Christine. Christine has been one of our Patreon 508 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:44,400 supporters since November twenty eighteen, currently supporting the program at the Shawmas level of 509 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,119 four dollars or more per month. Thank you so much for your support, 510 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,360 Christine, and that will do it for today. If you are enjoying this 511 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,679 podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software, and please be sure 512 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,519 to rate and review the podcast where bre you download us from. Follow Vans 513 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:06,800 will be taking a week off, perhaps spending a week at the carnival, 514 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,719 just riding the world around as we take our recording break. Hello Vans. 515 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,440 Will return in two weeks, but join us back here tomorrow for yours truly, 516 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:22,559 Johnny Doller and the conclusion of the Fathom five matter where what I am 517 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,400 getting at is what I think happened, and I think Danny Haynes is telling 518 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,480 the truth. I think Markey did send him off alone in that dinghy. 519 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,840 Then Markey fired the boat open to the sea cocks, and while she filled 520 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,039 up and sank, he swam ashore in the fog. And he's waiting it 521 00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:42,400 out somewhere now until his widow collects the insurance well, I don't see where 522 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,599 you've got any more evidence than I have. Well, there's not much, 523 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,519 i'll grant you, not so far, but what there is adds up. 524 00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:52,360 I guess I'm just stupid, dolla. I look, take missus Markey's attitude, 525 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,320 for instance. She's trying hard to play the role, but it doesn't 526 00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,480 come off. How does she act to you like a four day widow where 527 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,480 she's got a lot of self control? I'll say she has. I tried 528 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,760 to go to her yesterday. When I talked to her, came right out 529 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,639 and practically in solid her And how did she react? Never took her eyes 530 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,119 off that main chance, the seventy five thousand. I already know it's not 531 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,280 exactly unheard of a wood enough to mind too much being a wood. Oh 532 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,199 no, no, that's not the impression she gives. She's tense enough, 533 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,400 nervous as a cat. But it's not because of grief or any feeling of 534 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,360 relief either. It's because she's afraid she might say the wrong thing and let 535 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,760 her foot slip. Well, everybody's got to write to their own opinion. 536 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,280 Another thing is that Marky's body hasn't turned up. Now. I talked to 537 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,599 the harbor master this morning. He knows the currents along this coast backwards and 538 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,199 forwards. He says, it's the only one chance in a hundred that Markuye's 539 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,760 body would have been carried out through the reef instead of thrown up on the 540 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,480 beach about where you found that shoe. So this is one time in a 541 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,239 hundred that was a mighty balance, mister Dalla. We're gonna fight you, 542 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,119 mister Wilson, if you petition the cart to declare Marky legally dead. Yes, 543 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,119 I sort of figured you would. Hensley and Davis phoned me this morning 544 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:06,280 and said you'd retain them as counts. That's right. Well, I've been 545 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,679 fought before. I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime, 546 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:15,320 do send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, follow us 547 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,360 on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, 548 00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:25,159 dot com, slash Great Detectives From Boise, Idaho. This is your host, 549 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,159 Adam Graham signing off.