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Hello, and welcome to Open Mind
UFO Radio. I am Alejandro Rojas and

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I am joined by mister Reptilian McClellan. Yes. I was going to say,

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don't let out my secret, but
that's not a secret anymore. Yeah,

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you've been exposed quite a while ago. Oh yeah, as a reptilian

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you are yep, yep, no
denying it anymore, buddy, No,

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it's not worth it. Did you
get in trouble with a reptilian hierarchy when

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you were outed? No? See, that's a misconception that reptilians try to

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stay hidden, and they don't.
They don't care. We're out and we're

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proud. Yeah. Well, you
know when you were outed, so was

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Maureen, so was Antonio, so
was my girlfriend. And everybody is actually

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real happy about it. Yeah,
it seems to be. I mean,

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why wouldn't you want you, buddy
up? Yeah, no, Antonios,

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you're afraid of You got to keep
your enemies close. Antonio did get a

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little disturbed though, Actually he got
a little upset by it. He took

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offense a bit, didn't he.
Yeah, he did, and that made

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him wonder if he actually is a
reptilian. Yeah. His response is a

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little strange. Yeah, let's see
hide end so and people would like to

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know those who are interested. I
haven't talked to Antonio lately. I have

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and I went to go see him
and he's kind of some people have been

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asking where is he and he's kind
of gotten out of ethology for the moment.

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He's on hiatus and he's just kind
of relaxing, chilaxing, and he

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is doing well. But just like
our speaker, our guest today he has

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letting his hair facial end, head
hair grow out, so he looks like

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a bit of a mountain man.
Although our guest today is more of a

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rebel hippie. His new kind of
persona for rebel Richard Dolan that starts who

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we had on today, the reinvented
rebel hippie Dolan. Yeah, although our

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talk is kind of fun because I
wanted to touch on some subjects that are

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kind of hot right now, like, for instance, he's been getting some

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heck over this breakaway civilization stuff and
so there is so we talked about that,

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but that was kind of fun and
uh, then we also talked about

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the people over at UFO updates.
I don't like it because we talked about

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UFO updates and then we did get
into some debate though with Rebel Rich about

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mof on. So but just so
the listeners know, even though we get

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in some heated debate, it all
comes out well and we're buddies and we

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had we had a good time this
weekend because we were at the Travis Walton

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Skyfire summit, so that was kind
of fun. So Jason, you kind

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of held down the fort for us, yep, and I'm glad you made

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it back. Yeah, luckily we
did. Although in this experience, I

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have to say, because you know
how, we are very honest. I

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was gonna say brutally honest, but
we've tried to soften the blow with our

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honesty here at the Open minds were
Yeah, not brutal, We're kindly honest.

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But I have to say alien abductees
should not organize conferences. Why that

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because at least with this example,
to say organized would be not an accurate

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term. When it comes to this
conference. It was very unorganized. Stuff

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was everywhere, The schedule wasn't right, things weren't on time. Travis was

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late to everything three hours in one
case. But it was fun. It

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was just you know, on mountain
time. It was like, you know,

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show up to the conference at nine
am. What's gonna happen in the

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next twelve hours is totally up in
the air. But you're gonna enjoy it

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and have a good time. So
just relax and for the city folks,

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your put your watches away, put
your day planner away, and just go

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with the flow. And most people
did go with flow and had a really

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good time. So and of course
there were some great speakers there. Well,

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that's good to hear. I mean, it is somewhat usual for conferences,

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especially this type of conference, to
not go very smoothly, to not

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be organized, and to not stay
on schedule. Yeah, but if that

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was the case with this one and
people still had a good time, that's

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really good to hear. Yeah,
And I got to say, you know,

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so people know we offered our help, and I think they're going to

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take more of our help next year. But because we love these guys,

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we really want them to be successful
and hopefully they'll be more on time and

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stuff. But either way, it
was people had a lot of fun and

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it was great and of course a
lot of great speakers. You could go

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to my Facebook to see more.
But We're also going to have a video

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out of this night watch where we
got to do a SkyWatch, you know,

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at the location of the signing.
So that was really cool to see.

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And I put a little video up
on my Facebook of Maureen kind of

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at the site, kind of walking
us through what happened, and you can

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see Michael or are you know guy
who our producer. I should say I

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called him a video guy, but
he's more than that. He organizes our

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videos. So that's kind of fun. So you guys could see the site

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and we'll have another more formal video
out with some really cool interviews with Travis

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at the courthouse in Holbrook where everything
went down, but we'll have that up

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soon. So it was a lot
of fun. It was really cool.

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So one thing you can't blame Travis
of is not providing a great show.

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He is a showman. That's great. I'm glad to hear it. You're

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kind of quiet about the whole thing, are you afraid of I'm not afraid.

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I'm just kind of bummed that I
missed the experience, you know.

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Oh yeah, unique kind of setting
an experience and that the people there and

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yeah, it's like it had all
the right elements, and I was really

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looking forward to that when I heard
about it, so it was bummed that

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I didn't didn't get to make it
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went, and I'm glad it went
off with its hitches, it still managed

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to take place and people enjoyed it. Well. You know, they knew

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they would have some challenges this year, but the reason they wanted to do

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it is because this is the thirty
ninth anniversary and they wanted to kind of

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work out some kinks for the big
one, which is a fortieth anniversary.

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So they will have it again next
year for the fortieth. And I would

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say to you, Jason, and
to all of our listening audience who did

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not make it, is to you've
got a year to plan ahead. It's

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going to happen. I'm certain it
will happen, and so get ready for

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it and hopefully you can make it
out. That sounds good, and I

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think it's very smart of them to
plan it this way, do a year

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in advanced workout kinks, kind of
work up to that big forty. Yeah,

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exactly, So that's going to be
a lot of fun. So that'll

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be the big one and if this
makes you feel any better, Jason,

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I'll let the cat out of the
bag. We did not see UFOs or

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extraterrestrials in our night SkyWatch, so
you didn't miss anything in that respect.

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Well, now I don't need to
watch the video that we'll put up later.

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Yeah, you do, because there's
good interviews that you haven't seen before

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about okay, even details about the
case and what happened at the courthouse that

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I have not heard before. So
there, okay, geez, you little

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son of a gun. Well,
let's get into UFO news. We didn't

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have a whole lot of UFO news
on the website because we were mostly out

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of town. But as I said, you were holding up the fort and

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so you know what came across the
news desk that you were excited about.

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Well, allehandro. It's been kind
of slow for ufone news lately. That's

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not to say there hasn't been UFO
news reported by the media around the world,

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but I found a lot of it
kind of lacking in its substance and

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it's credibility. Yeah, there's been
a lot of just reports about videos and

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you know, unfortunately most of the
times they're thrown up the only source being

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Scott Wearing from the Settings Daily.
Kind of ludicrous videos in my opinion,

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with no additional information, no source
as to where the video came from.

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So a lot of disappointing news in
my opinion in that respect. But one

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story Alejandro that I am following and
really excited about just to see what comes

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of it. This is something we've
been following for a while, and that's

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mister Tom DeLong. Many people know
him from his band blank Wwentity two and

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we've interviewed him on Spacing Out before. He's a veteran UFO research. He's

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actively researched UFOs for more than twenty
years, along a period time than most

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of the leading researchers in the field
today. He's well read and has some

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pretty strong opinions on this stuff and
continues in his research. I think it

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was twenty eleven he launched a website
called Strange Times, and that was a

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news website. It would post headlines
about UFO's and extraterrestrials as well as other

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things that mainstream media wouldn't cover,
and they would cover a lot of the

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stories that open Minds would write.
And that website shut down. It went

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on a hiatus and it's still on
a hiatus, and we asked him about

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that when we interviewed him, and
he said it was in a holding pattern.

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He had some ideas and some other
video elements and things that he didn't

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vision for taking Strange Times to a
different place now. Currently, and over

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the past several months, he's been
posting photos on his various social media accounts

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hinting at things that are in the
works for Strange Times. One of those

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hints came last week when he posted
photos in a video of a trip he

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recently took to the area around Area
fifty one. Posted a photo showing the

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showing one of the gates of Very
fifty one the back gate of Avery fifty

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one in the background. He posted
a video of himself up on top of

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a summit where he has a good
view around the area of Aver fifty one.

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He also recently, just in the
past couple of days, posted a

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photo of some documents that looked like
there a lot of documents that many UFO

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research would be familiar with, like
the Forestall Memo and things like that that

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had certain things highlighted, and again
he says these are for upcoming Strange Times

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something we don't know what Strange Times
is going to be, and he's also

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hinted it at a UFO video.
He's been working on a film, So

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I think all these things are projects
are going to be revealed soon whenever Strange

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Times relaunches, and we don't know
at all what that's going to entail,

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so I'm curious. I think it's
exciting though, because you know a lot

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of people go, oh, what
do we care rock and roll guy and

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UFOs, But Tom Delonge's really smart. I mean, I've been really impressed

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with all of his interviews about UFOs
that I've seen in the past, including

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the one he did with you and
Maureen. Absolutely, I mean I was

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blown away when I first heard him
talk about UFOs because he's known as a

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lighthearted person. You know, if
you know anything about his music about Blank

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twenty eighty two, they're very much
about embracing youthfulness and just you know,

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not caring at all about what anyone
says, and just being goofy and having

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fun. Their lyrics are very juvenile, and you know, I love Linquenty's

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twenty two, but you know,
they're very silly songs. Most of the

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time. But you know, I
think you also have a song called Aliens

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Exist. And he's never been shy
about his belief in UFOs and extraterrestrials.

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And like I said, he's well
read. You know, when they go

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on tour and stuff, you spend
a lot of time actually reading books and

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doing his own research and meeting with
people who are researchers. He's very good

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friends with George Nap and stays in
constant contact with George Napp. So he

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is very much and I time and
time again refer to him as this.

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He is a UFO researcher. He's
not just some enthusiast to crazy Rocks star

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who thinks UFOs are fun and neat
and haha. Now he is an actual

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EFO researcher. He takes it very
seriously and he is extremely well read.

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So yeah, he can't speak intelligently
about it. So I am excited to

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see what he does with this new
project. Yeah. Cool. Yeah,

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I was excited when I saw your
story about this because I agree. I

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think it's exciting cool stuff. Yep. So is there any story you want

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to talk about from last week?
There is, and can you guess which

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one it? Is slim Pickens,
Like you said, so slim Pickens.

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Let's see, I think you're going
to talk about now, I have no

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idea that's night vision. So maybe
the triangle UFO over Michigan exactly. I

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love the night vision stuff, and
I think this is a really interesting video.

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And I'm sure you've looked at it
quite a bit, so you'll have

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your own opinions. But yeah,
this is a night vision video. Now,

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there's a couple night vision videos,
and essentially this guy says he saw

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it was about eight pm on November
two, and he saw this triangular thing

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through the night vision. His friends
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He then reviewed it and he saw
there was not only these three lights

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in a triangular shape, but there
were other UFOs and strangeness in the videos.

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Now, I don't feel I don't
see any of the other stuff you're

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seeing. I think that other stuff
can be explained away pretty easily. However,

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I think the triangle's pretty interesting.
I mean, it's three dots that

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stay in a pretty solid triangular formation, move very quickly through the sky,

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and they do something that I think
is probably very ill advised where they start

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shooting a laser at it, which
even the witness thinks it could have been

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a stealth bomber or some sort of
stealth technology. Well, if that's the

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case, what you're doing by shooting
a laser at it is actually illegal and

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you can go to jail for it. So that's why I think that that's

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probably a bad idea. But I
think it's an interesting video. What do

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you think it is an interesting video
with you. I think the other things

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mentioned can easily be explained. But
the triangle object itself, We've seen this

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so many times in my vision videos. They're so fascinating. They definitely we've

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seen it so many times. I've
seen it personally with my own eyes.

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There's some sort of weird triangle thing
that moves up there that you see with

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night vision. Who knows what it
is. Is it extraterrestrial? Possibly,

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I don't know, But the thing
is, I certainly not faked. This

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stuff is actually up there. It's
very fascinating to see some of the best

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UFO videos in my opinion, that
you can see pretty readily if you take

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the time to look for it.
But yeah, the laser pointing is so

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stupid in my mind, even if
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would appreciate having a laser shot on
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uh, oh, well, and
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that this is illegal. But I
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case. So this was written by
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the Moufine cases, they do not
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an investigation ongoing. However, I'm
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some opinions on what people think about
this video and will definitely share that with

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our audience. But yeah, I
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need to check it out, definitely. So that's at Openminds dot Tv with

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other stories and with our spacing out
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a lot of attention because I think
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this guy from Sri Lanka, I
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This politician who says some space agency
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have some evidence for extraterrestrial life.
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scientists have written up information about this
meteorite. And I guess in particular,

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he said it was creationists who did
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was no good creationists. We'll get
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say out here in the Southwest,
which is another fun thing. This was

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total cowboy Travis Walton Skyfire Summit.
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there were horses and this was in
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and mules. And if you see
on my Facebook, Oh this is cool,

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you'll love this because you're an animal
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the grounds called Scout, and he's
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really like serious, little guy,
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can find him because he takes off, but also that it can beep,

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and when it beeps, he knows
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come home wherever he is. That's
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they should keep him inside so he
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the owner loves to have him by
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everywhere the owner goes. It's pretty
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further ado, we should probably talk
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am very happy to be joined here
by Richard Dolan. So welcome, hi

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elandre Thank you. So it's fun
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close to the Travis Walton site.
How's your weekend been so far? It's

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been busy every conference that it was
like this, and it's been enjoyable.

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I think, you know, I
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make sure good experience. That's a
nice way. That is a nice

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way to put it. But it's
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thing about any of these conferences for
me is I learned from everyone who tends.

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Yeah, that's honestly the case.
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because even if there are some organizational
problems, at least for the speakers or

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for people like us who are here
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it's still an enjoyable experience because you
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and everything. For sure. Absolutely. So one of the things I wanted

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to talk about was Travis's case because
it's something that I think a lot of

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you know, real conservative and i'd
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beginning researchers struggle with because it's so
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is kind of out of the norm, but yet it seems so credible and

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it's hard to discount what Travis went
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when you first heard about his case? I got into, you know,

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like Travis's case is one of about
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There's Bob Lazaar, there's Gulf Breeze, There's Travis, There's dozens and

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hundreds of others. I go into
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of trepidation and fear to be honest
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because you know that there's just so
much contentiousness on all different sides of any

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particular issues, and you know that
whatever you decide as a researcher, someone's

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not gonna be happy with what you
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into Travis's case, the way that
I researched it was very simple, not

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even talking to Travis. I went
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I have a lot of old issues
of the a pro bulletin which covered

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this as it was happening, and
I have all of those, all the

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books, Travis's book, filled classes, book, you know, interviewing Travis,

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learning everything that I can about the
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this is I think, a very
strong case. As outrageous as it might

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seem to some people, there are
too many things lining up to support the

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fact that Travis Walton was abducted by
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group of entities on a craft,
on a flying saucer. That's what it

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really does look like. This is
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that this started out as a missing
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investigation. This isn't just an ordinary
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national attention right out of the gate
because you had six loggers coming in reporting

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that this man was abducted by a
UFO. They were polygraphed and fundamentally they

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all pass at Polly. The only
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But to the questions, did you
murder Travis Walton? No? Did

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you see what looked like a flying
saucer? Yes, you know all of

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those types of questions, they all
passed and have that many visuals beat a

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polygraph that itself seems to be highly
vanishing, too impossible. It seems to

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be the odds on that Travis himself
took three polls I think that I'm aware

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of. He supposedly flunked one,
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of that one, which I have, I've read the transcripts, it was

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obvious that he went into an entirely
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to trip him up. So I
think actually Travis Travis came through with flying

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colors. Having known Travis now for
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spent a lot of time with him. I took a trip across the state

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of Pennsylvania in my car with him, just the two of us. We

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had a lot of time just to
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who knows him feels that he's an
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I don't know anyone who knows him
feels differently. But as I've come to

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know him, I found that he's
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and he's been utterly consistent. There's
just nothing about his case that seems

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to be a miss. Here.
There are debunkers like Philip J. Class

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who went out of his way in
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not just Travis Walton. So that's
classes m O. And that's hard

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to take that seriously. Right,
So what it looks like is a Travis

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Walton who was missing for five days. Police team searches, men on horseback,

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search dogs, the whole thing.
No one found him. He turns

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up five days later, dehydrated,
depleted in many ways nutritionally. Yeah,

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I mean, what he remembers is
that he was taken. And I have

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never had any reason to doubt this. Yeah, at least for me these

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days, I kind of played Devil's
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for kind of the naw hypothesis,
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I'm saying, you know, this
is weird, you know, looking

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at it. If I'm to say
this isn't real? What is there out

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there? They can even indicate that
and being so close to it, knowing

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him, there is nothing there really
isn't any No, I'm with you in

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the attitude. I mean, you
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skepticism, not a debunking religious type
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sure, And we want to ask
ourselves what are other reasonable possibilities here in

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this case? I guess the reasonable
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really the only thing that I can
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at the hoax scenario for the Travis
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to stand up. So what it
looks like is that Travis Walton was taken

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by individuals who appear some to be
totally human looking, others not human looking,

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on a craft for what seems to
be five days, and during most

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of that time he seemed to have
been completely unconscious. What it looks like

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is that he got zapped, maybe
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they thought, well, let's fix
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looks like to me. Yeah,
me too. I've said that since the

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beginning, and now Travis has kind
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the other thing that gets me with
is is Travis is so open. I

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mean, not only does he share
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like he's got his grandkids here,
his family, he takes your kids.

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It's this amazing openness as well.
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at his credibility, then you have
insight into his kid's credibility, his family's

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credibility, where you would see some
cracks somewhere, And as much time as

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I've spent around that, I've never
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point. I agree with that.
I just met some of his family yesterday.

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They're very loving people. Yeah,
they're great people. So it's funny

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because you mentioned Bob Lazare, which
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I don't know what it is like
if you check your Google analytics and stuff

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and see, you know what people
are searching when they find your site,

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but for us, they're searching you. UFOs, Travis Walton, Bob Lazar.

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Those are the top, always in
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top vibe interesting. So they're big
cases. Yeah, and Lazar's probably was

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maybe the biggest, uh you know, landmine case that I had when I

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was doing my second volume of UFOs
and a national Secuits. It probably feared

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Bob Lazarre the most of anything.
I'm actually very much looking forward to the

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fact to getting a chance to meet
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Yeah, so you will be there
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What are your thoughts about his case
right now? Or do you feel

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this is my take on Bob Lazar. I think he strikes me as a

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kind of person who just doesn't give
a shit about what other people think about

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him. I hope I can say
that I just didn't really did I just

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did. I think he cares.
You wouldn't be the first, and don't

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worry. He strikes me as having
been truthful with what he has said,

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what he says is true. This is

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the question the things that bab Blazar
went through in his so called briefing or

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highly unorthodox. You know, he's
taken to a place south of Aarya fifty

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one as four and he's given these
books to read. This from everything that

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I've been able to look into subsequently, this is not seem to be normal

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at all. When you're in a
highly compartment and situation, you're given very

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specific, limited types of data only
so that what you're supposed to know is

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is what you know. And Lazar's
case, they basically toss all of this

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information out to him about the nature
of these other beings, so how long

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you've been here and all of this
information which seems somehow wrong, and then

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his whole, his whole statement that
you know, this craft is run on

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element one fifteen and that that is
used to create a kind of bending of

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space time, to warp space.
The fact is some of the physical concepts

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that he talks about I think have
been borne out by mathematical equations by I

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say, like Miguel Alcabierre just a
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who came up with his own mathematical
model of warp drive. It's quite

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fascinating really. But the whole idea
of why element one fifteen I think is

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a dead end because I don't really
think that's what is the solution here.

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I think it's more of lack a
zero point energy type of a situation,

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more along the lines of another leak
that took place a year earlier, which

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is the so called alien reproduction vehicle, And I am much more inclined to

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place some credence in that story for
a number of reasons. So that's true.

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If you've got craft that are running
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the Solar system, Let's just say, and you want to keep that secret.

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Let's say we're on the team and
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there are competitors out there who may
get wind of the secret. What might

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we do. One thing we might
do is take someone who've psychologically profiled,

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who knows we know, won't care, and we'll be able to keep a

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secret which he didn't do. Give
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fifteen jokingly has been referred to as
unobtaining because it's so impossible to get so

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that our competitors might think, oh, element fifteen. How are you going

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to do that? Let's just give
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I don't know if this is true, but it's a thought. In other

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words, that Lazarre could have been
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of disinforming possibly, you know what. I've looked into this a long time,

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and I wouldn't pretend that I know
this better than anyone else has looked

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at it. But I don't dismiss
him out of hand the way people like

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Stanton Friedman do, and I like
him, respect Stanton's work. But George

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Napp has also investigated Bob Lazar.
George Knapp has demonstrated that Lazzar did work

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at Los Alamos National Apps in the
ear Ladies when Lazarre said he did.

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Lazzar did certainly appear to have met
with Edward Teller on that one occasion at

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Los Alamos. I mean it all. Everything seems to fit. When my

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book was coming out, where I
was writing about Lazar, I was at

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the Crash Retrieval conference. It was
the first place where I spoke about it.

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I was in late two thousand and
eight. John Alexander was in my

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face that whole weekend, and the
main thing Alexander wanted to know was what

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was my attitude on Lazar. It
was the number one thing he wanted to

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know. The man would not leave
me alone. Yeah, he used all

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of his NLP techniques and all of
his other mind control try to get it

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out of me. And I said, I don't really care. I'll tell

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you I think Lazar is probably fundamentally
truthful with that caveat that I just gave

406
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.599
you. Alexander said, well,
he's just full of it. Five minutes

407
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:55.279
after Alexander left me, I was
approached by Ron Roguerer, who is Ron

408
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.000
at this conference. No, I
haven't seen so well. Ron was here

409
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:04.079
yesterday briefly, was he really?
Because he and Ron is a very highly

410
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.119
technical guy. Worked at Arrogant in
aerospace industry for many years, and I've

411
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:12.240
known and respect Ron greatly. Ron
Reguard comes up to me says, oh,

412
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.200
you're writing about Lazarre. I said
yes. He said, Bob Lazar

413
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.960
is an absolutely number one stand up
guy. I've known him for years.

414
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:22.559
I knew him long before the world
knew about him, and I am telling

415
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.319
you that guy is legit. So
there you have it. You've got these

416
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:29.400
two people who they claim are the
expert. Again, my take on Lazarre

417
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.960
is that I don't think he came
in to make it up. I think

418
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:39.319
he's been entirely, completely consistent with
every single facet of his story, and

419
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.240
I think he's calling it the way
he believes it. Yeah, that's it's

420
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.839
interesting because I think the way you
had these two credible people coming at you

421
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:52.960
is a good way to frame the
blizarre situation because it is so baffling.

422
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.759
And you know, it's funny because
I was starting to get to a low

423
00:32:55.799 --> 00:33:00.920
point where I was really skeptical,
and then I went to the Fund symposium

424
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:07.640
last year and George Knapp spoke about
the race and it was very compelling.

425
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.319
Right, yeah, so I mean
the other thing, George, No,

426
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.079
I haven't been invited since twenty eleven
when I bitched at mufund's leadership. Oh

427
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:20.480
yeah, to reform, and I
got Clifford Cliff about to have a burst

428
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.200
of blood vessel. I woo,
Yeah, it's all true. He got

429
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.480
really mad at me that he got
it. Oh, I know, he

430
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:30.079
got furious, said people got upset. I'll be most people supported me by

431
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.160
far, really, and if they
don't, they can kiss my ASTs.

432
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:37.920
Okay, how about we say that, which is fine. However, fund

433
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.119
needed okay, significant reforms, which
by the way, they are starting to

434
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.640
undertake, and Jan Harzan is running
movie. But don't you think it would

435
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.400
have been more productive to speak to
them in person if you would have said,

436
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.599
hey, guys, I want to
come to your board meeting and I

437
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.160
want to talk to you about some
of these problems. They were to let

438
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.640
you come in and talk to them. Listen, you know what I spoke

439
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:59.319
for fifteen minutes at the end of
my lecture. You can find what I

440
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.440
said on YouTube. It's the most
tame I was a statement there was on

441
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.319
YouTube. It was tame in the
context of that conference. Maybe not quite

442
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.719
as tame, but it was polite. And all I said is that MUFON's

443
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:16.360
leadership is very opaque, which is
true. A Moufon's board is not responsive

444
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.559
to its members, which was true. Maybe they're trying to change it now.

445
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.679
Moufon was an organization that sucked in
all the information gave nothing back out,

446
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.480
which was also true. So what
do you want? You know,

447
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.039
Moufon has been around for forty years. At the time their membership was hovering.

448
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.320
It around two three thousand at the
time. You know what, No,

449
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.719
there's absolutely room for improvement. So
I don't take that back at all.

450
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.840
And they haven't invited me though,
to any of the symposia sens.

451
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.880
Yeah, and it's funny. I
just think that I just felt at the

452
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:51.079
time, especially and that I think
that people need to understand why these things

453
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.760
happen. I mean, and I
don't know how you felt at the time,

454
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.639
but there's no grand conspiracy behind the
scenes. And thank you for resolving

455
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.719
that, Alejandro, I mean,
I appreciate that. Do you feel that

456
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:06.400
they're listen, Moffon has been an
organization, so I had naval intelligence from

457
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.079
the get go, They've had military
people at the top from the get go.

458
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.880
You can call what you want,
well, they still do, whether

459
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:15.559
it's a conspiracy or an agenda.
Either way, there's been a very very

460
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.519
specific thing about Moufon that has been
made it a very kind of public,

461
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.719
unfriendly organization and has genuinely brought in
a lot of suspicion. This is not

462
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.800
an outrageous and unfair thing for people
to have suspicion about Moffon. Well,

463
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:35.920
often suspicions are based off of ignorance
of knowing what's really going on behind the

464
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.519
scenes. And I could say that
because I was their public director for Alarm,

465
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:43.960
I to say that this time in
fact, just prior to this period,

466
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:49.159
and I was never told not to
talk about anything. I mean,

467
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.199
there was people a little uncomfortable when
it came to the Stephenville situation and how

468
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:57.199
much that I interacted with the press, but it was mainly because they didn't

469
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.679
want to circus type of atmosphere in
mind eleven. When I made my statement

470
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.000
in twenty eleven, that was right
on the heels of several explosive interviews about

471
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.760
Muffin that was going on at the
time. Jerry Pippen was doing those.

472
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.639
Chase Kletzky was a very close friend
of mine. Now I know Chase very

473
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.239
well, I didn't know her at
the time. James Clarkson, and of

474
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.199
course Elaine Douglas. Let's not forget
Elaine. Oh yeah, she was a

475
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:24.320
leader in peace the revolution and Elaine, you know, it was always a

476
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.079
difficult person to deal with. I've
known her, I knew her for years.

477
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.840
But Elaine is a smart lady and
dedicated and she believed in what she

478
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.400
had to say about about Moufon,
and I respected it, but in terms

479
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.719
of what Chase Kletzky had to say. Chase was the star team manager for

480
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.760
Mufon for a while, and what
Chase said to Jerry Pippen, and she

481
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.000
has said to me a number of
times, is that none of those investigations

482
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.760
were not compromised by upper level Moufon, and she was quite explicit about it.

483
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.840
So it was in the context of
these You can say you want about

484
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.719
Chase, but I'm telling you it
was in that context that I made my

485
00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:00.960
statement about Moufon. You know,
either reform and get with the program and

486
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.039
get with the people, or you'll
find yourself left in the dust. And

487
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:07.280
that was not an outrageous thing for
me to say. Yeah, and I

488
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:14.960
guess, but it's in there,
totally in their rights not to invite me

489
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:16.639
back. And I knew that full
well when I made my statement. Yeah,

490
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.400
and I think that the issue I
think you're right in. Certainly there

491
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.159
are communication issues, obviously because people
were inside a movement and having issues,

492
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:31.199
But that word compromised when it comes
to compromise in cases being compromised, a

493
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.360
lot of people were taking this idea
of this compromise to be some sort of

494
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:42.400
hiding of information to chase about it. Sometimes. All of those cases I

495
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.519
was working directly with the Star team. Every single one of their best cases

496
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:52.400
that they worked with Bigelow were with
were not only in the move On Journal,

497
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.039
we posted them in our magazines and
on our website, which caused some

498
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.360
people to get frustrated white as Open
Minds have them. Luckily, I had

499
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.440
some insight, you know, information
since I just came from move On,

500
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:09.199
but it was all shared. Now
when it comes down to having the man

501
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.239
power to get that stuff out the
end, you know, that's where we've

502
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.239
come in as Open Mind, is
to work that pr side because certainly their

503
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.119
heads are usually an investigation in the
case and they haven't been doing the best

504
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:31.320
in the past in their interactions with
the public. But it's funny we went

505
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.320
off on this tanship but it's kind
of cool. No, No, I'm

506
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:38.400
glad we did. Yeah, and
you know I gleaned your position on move

507
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:42.400
On. I respect it. There
are many, many excellent people in Moufon

508
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.599
and those poor people. I mean, you've got to admit it's great to

509
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:51.400
have the help of people who are
ex military. Yeah, as long as

510
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.920
they don't have an agenda that directs
the organization one way or another a little.

511
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.440
You know, you have people like
Thomas Dooley, who's basically run it

512
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.599
from on high in the shadows for
many, many years. I've heard this

513
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:05.000
from a number of high level move
On people. Well, I've worked with

514
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:08.360
him directly. He's now in any
shadow. I worked directly and spoke with

515
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:13.679
him constantly, and I still see
him quite a bit. And certainly,

516
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.440
these people, a lot of them
are very conservative when it comes to this

517
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:21.079
field, and they are very protective
over the credibility of move On, and

518
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:25.920
that offers some difficulty, especially as
time goes on and people have different ideas

519
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:31.960
about the phenomena. But he certainly
was not someone who was pulling any strings.

520
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.000
Most of the people who were pulling
the biggest strings are the directors who

521
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.840
often are very accessible, such as
Clifford. Cliff, you gotta admit he

522
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.320
was maybe not to you after your
I don't know. I never heard anything

523
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:49.960
wrong with it. I had no
problem personally with cliff Yeah, he's a

524
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.280
great guy. Yeah, so that's
kind of funny. How did we get

525
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.119
off on this hand? Well,
we were doing Lazare Oh yeah, I

526
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.000
fin right, and then somehow we
got all moof on on each other.

527
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:07.840
Yeah, George nap right, yeah, oh so right, I have to

528
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.480
move on symposium, you know,
okay, off we went to the race.

529
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:20.000
But yeah, and that has one
thing that he's impressed upon people for

530
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:24.280
years is that Lazarre was merely the
first of about twenty five or so other

531
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:30.519
witnesses that George Knapp cultivated over the
years twenty five or so who and as

532
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.079
George has put a number of times, strongly corroborated various parts of what Lazarre

533
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.519
had originally said. The problem that
he's had with all of these witnesses that

534
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.679
at the eleventh hour in many cases, they just declined to go public.

535
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:49.360
But look, I have no problem
believing in Georgie NAT's credibility on this.

536
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.760
He's interviewed these people, He's talked
about their cases fairly explicitly and public just

537
00:40:52.800 --> 00:41:00.280
without names, so that if Lazarre
was lying and did he really look out

538
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.400
and you know, really get lucky
with a lot of these details that many

539
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.159
of these other people have been coming
forward with. Yeah, well, luckily

540
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:13.960
you're not banned from the UFO Congress
and you will be speaking, pray and

541
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.400
I'm enjoying the UFO Congress. You
to be there, got to make George

542
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.119
Knapps talk because he's going to do
the same talk at that that he did

543
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.920
at the symposium, but a little
more. And then we're going to move

544
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.800
into the QA with Lazard. So
you got to be there and let us

545
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.119
know if you have questions for Lazar, we'll make sure we get him to

546
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.239
George Knapp's hand there. I intend
to put myself in front of Lazard at

547
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:36.400
some point or another. One ye
try well that I don't know. He

548
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.320
had might not be as willing with
communicating with people, but I think that

549
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.920
he's gonna find because this is interesting. Travis Walton when he first came out

550
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.480
again because he was he kind of
went away from this field for a long

551
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.840
time, right, And when he
came to the UFO Congress before we had

552
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.480
it it was like two thousand and
six, I think he was really scared

553
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:00.519
because he said he wasn't he hadn't
been treated very nice by the ufommunity he

554
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.639
felt in the past because there were
a lot of skeptics in class, was

555
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.000
around and stuff like that, So
he was really nervous. But he was

556
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.519
welcomed back with open arms, and
I really feel that Lazarre will probably be

557
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.920
treated the same way, and hopefully
he'll feel yeah, right welcome and he'll

558
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.599
be more open to speak with everyone. He was at the center of such

559
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.239
a firestorm back in those days.
There's so much controversy, not hard to

560
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.679
see why he would be kind of
turned off by it. Yeah. So

561
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:30.119
it's kind of funny because we were
talking about before this, you know,

562
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.239
UFO updates in some of these forums
that have a lot of real conservative people

563
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:39.159
in there who just it's kind of
funny because I get a feeling you might

564
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:43.320
feel the same way about this forum
because I'm in there occasionally. I used

565
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.239
to be in there more, but
I found a lot of the finding counterproductive.

566
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.400
But when I'm in there, it's
kind of like I feel like,

567
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.920
Okay, thanks for sharing information,
Alejandro, but we're keeping an eye on

568
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:54.800
you. You know, if you
miss step, we're going to get all

569
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.079
over you. Yeah, exactly.
It's a kind of a culture that I

570
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.199
go to forms like that or above
top Secret, in a lot of these

571
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.000
other places i'm there, I lurk. Yeah, I have no interest in

572
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:09.840
getting involved because if I were to
do that, the amount of time suck.

573
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.159
It would be would be outrageous,
and I know exactly what would happen.

574
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.119
I would have people in there who
would want to defend me, others

575
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.719
who would want to attack various things
that I've done. And then then what

576
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:24.800
do I do. I have to
decide do I spend the time and actually

577
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:29.679
defend myself. I see criticisms much
of myself all the time. Yeah,

578
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.199
I just let it go. I
don't care anymore. Yeah, I truly

579
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:36.360
just don't care. But for me
to get involved in these things, it's

580
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.719
just counterproductive for me. Yeah.
It's funny because least Biegel and I talk

581
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.760
about this a lot, and he
was on last weekend again it came up

582
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.000
because he gets so, you know, heated about some of these conversations that

583
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:51.199
come up in these forums and stuff. And I've always told them in the

584
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.519
past, ignore it. It's a
waste of times. Do your research.

585
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.199
Don't get worried about personalities. There
are some people in this field it's like

586
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.679
it is their obsession to decide.
They're the judge and jury who's good who's

587
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.199
not good, And they spend all
of your time looking at specific researchers.

588
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.679
Want to just do your own goddamn
research and produce something that's valuable for the

589
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.079
rest of us. There's a thought
aim into that. However, I sometimes

590
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.760
I get brave, quote unquote,
and I'll go into these forums and post

591
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:22.440
some stuff or get in the conversation
because I'll be like, well, they

592
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.000
can check me, because I don't
mind my work being checked. I love

593
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.480
it. You know what am I
missing? Am I screwing something out?

594
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.079
Let me know? Absolutely? And
then I get drawn into these things too

595
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.400
much, and then I'm leaving and
that I'm upset, and I'm like,

596
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.880
why am I even in this field. I don't mind being criticized at all.

597
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.280
I mean, if someone has the
big criticisms that I that I've seen.

598
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.440
I got a lot of hell for
the YouTube video that I did of

599
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.599
the man who's allegedly ci Ain dying. Oh yeah, that's the biggest one

600
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.280
probably, and I'm happy to talk
with you about that if you're interested,

601
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.280
okay. And then I get I
get criticism over the idea of a breakaway

602
00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:00.840
civilization. I get criticized over supposedly
what people think that I believe about disclosure,

603
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.599
which is almost always wrong because it's
obviously read anything that I've written It

604
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.360
was funny because you talked about that
at your talk and then later on in

605
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:14.400
a positive way a researcher referenced your
work and what you had said was that

606
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.519
right? But he also didn't get
it right. I don't think completely thinking

607
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.440
he still misconstrued strued, you're it's
not that idea. I mean what I

608
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:23.920
say, it's it's I mean,
I guess you have to be a grown

609
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.320
up to get it, but a
lot of people just don't really. I

610
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.639
mean, what I'll say on disclosure
is this disclosure is never going to be

611
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.199
some voluntary thing that the government does. It's never going to be this thing

612
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.559
that gives us Shangri law and you
know paradise. You know, people like

613
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.400
Stephen grierm might say that, people
like Stephen Bassett might imply it that has

614
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.599
never ever been anything that I've ever
believed in implied. I believe that fundamentally,

615
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.000
I believe in truth. Fundamentally,
I believe that a society should be

616
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.119
based on truth, not lies.
That's just my you'd want to call it

617
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.039
my article of faith, go have
at it, and I believe that it's

618
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.800
Therefore I do even openness on this
subject of UFOs and I believe in that

619
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:06.880
sense in what we can call a
disclosure, because I do think that there's

620
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.599
a kind of a cover up.
Does that mean I think the government knows

621
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.239
everything? Now? Does that mean, as Robbie Graham implied once, that

622
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.639
I think the government's my big daddy
and is gonna, you know, take

623
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.119
my hand and show me. No? Of course not what am I ten

624
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:21.719
years old? Let's look at this
as adults, all right? What I

625
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.320
think is that there's a lot of
truth that is being withheld in deep black

626
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:31.239
communities, probably maybe forever inaccessible.
But here's the thing, all right,

627
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:35.960
We're not living in a static universe. Here. We're living in an era

628
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.480
of great dramatic change. We've had
twenty years of Internet that has utterly turned

629
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:43.920
our world inside out more times than
any of us can remember. Do we

630
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.920
honestly think that twenty years from now, twenty thirty four, it is gonna

631
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.119
look like twenty fourteen? Who's that
stupid? They're gonna think that the world

632
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.800
is gonna be fundamentally different. We've
had Weekileaks for just a decade or less.

633
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:57.000
What are we gonna have in another
twenty years? Different in a way

634
00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.199
that we can't even conceive it precisely. So to just assume whom that tomorrow

635
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.920
is going to look like yesterday,
this is just foolishness. So I don't

636
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.480
know how it's gonna go down.
But for me to assume that just because

637
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.639
the government's never going to have a
motivation to disclose to think it will never

638
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.920
therefore happen, Well, things happen
that we cannot predict, and people can

639
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.079
be forced into making decisions that they
don't want to make. So when when

640
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.440
there's a moment, if a government
is ever forced to make an admission,

641
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.440
doesn't mean they're gonna be truthful,
Yeah, of course not, but it

642
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:35.239
means fundamentally that this subject will be
on the table for open discussion. And

643
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.199
that's significant. I was gonna say
one other thing here, and now I've

644
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:44.079
lost my train of thought. But
you know, it's and it's Oh.

645
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.599
Some people say, well, who
even cares what the government thinks? Why

646
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.599
are you depending on the government?
Well, I care because I don't believe

647
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.320
in living in a fascist society.
I don't believe in living in a society

648
00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:00.360
where my government's not responsive to me. I'm an American citizen, that's my

649
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.719
government. They're supposed to respond to
me. I know full well we'll live

650
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.639
in an oligarchic cryptocracy, all right, But I don't have to like it

651
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.119
and I don't have to accept it. So if I want to force my

652
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.880
government to be bent to my will
and your will as citizens of this country,

653
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.800
then God damn it, that's what
we'll do. I don't really feel

654
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.519
like giving up on that, and
if someone else wants to give up on

655
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.000
it, that's their problem. So
on that basis, on that principle,

656
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:28.000
yes, of course I support disclosure
on UFOs. Doesn't mean it'll be a

657
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.039
free ride. I think it'll be
a big mess. So when people say,

658
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.000
oh, yeah, Dolan is one
of these disclosure apostles, I just

659
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.880
laugh because it's obvious that they really
don't know what they're talking about. They

660
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.119
had to have a breakaway civilization,
I think is a fascinating idea. I'm

661
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:44.440
proud that I coined the phrase.
I'm proud that I thought about it.

662
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:46.280
It doesn't mean that I know exactly
how it is, but what I will

663
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.239
say is it makes perfect sense to
me, and a lot of things do

664
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.800
fit in the idea that you have
a classified world, let's call it the

665
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.679
classified world. On steroids. It's
really what I'm thinking of, In other

666
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:02.239
words, a situation where let's have
a couple of if then statements here,

667
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:07.639
if there is a genuine crash retrieval
of what we would call UFO, I

668
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.000
believe the answer to that is yes, more than one time. That's my

669
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:15.239
opinion based on my research, So
I go with that. That means this

670
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:22.599
is technology and bodies that have been
studied clandestinely, obviously in a highly classified

671
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:28.440
environment. Obviously in a way that
is where certain key scientific understandings are not

672
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.920
permitted fully to leak out to the
rest of the world, except under highly

673
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.559
controlled conditions where profit is assured,
all right, and where infrastructure is not

674
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:43.559
disrupted. So, for example,
if there's an energy breakthrough that replaces petroleum,

675
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.199
that gets held back. And what
we are able to understand now about

676
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:52.280
the classified patents is that a there
are thousands of them, and be many

677
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.400
of them have to do with energy. So what you have while the rest

678
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:02.000
of us are spinning our wheels metaphorically
here with the petroleum based infrastructure and other

679
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.400
types of traditional technologies, it seems
to me that there's this classified world that's

680
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:14.599
been able to race ahead with certain
breakthroughs that they are indeed permitted to pursue.

681
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.719
So what happens if they have the
luxury of moving ahead and we are

682
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.559
held back at this point right here, we can't progress further, but they

683
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:29.440
can. Would they have the ability
to race far far ahead of us in

684
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.760
certain key ways? Absolutely they would. And I'll tell you I've spoken with

685
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:38.840
a number of individuals, one here
at this conference who gave me very good

686
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:44.480
reason to believe that he was extremely
knowledgeable about this, who have been confirming

687
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.199
to me again and again that this
is largely the case. Now, what

688
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.159
is a breakaway civilization? What is
a civilization? I think about this.

689
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:54.599
You know, long before I did
UFO research, I've been studying history.

690
00:50:54.800 --> 00:51:00.480
I read once Arnold Twainbee, you
know, one of the mozarts of historical

691
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.079
writing. He was a genius and
he did a study of civilizations. That's

692
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.840
what got me thinking about this.
You know, what is it that characterizes

693
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:12.679
the civilization? Well, one would
be its level of technology. One would

694
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.039
be its cosmology, it's perception of
itself in the cosmos. One would be

695
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:21.559
its type of social relation among themselves
and with others. Many of these things.

696
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:24.519
That doesn't mean you could define a
civilization. But I think this gives

697
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:29.800
us an idea. And when you
look at the classified world, when you

698
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:38.480
look at how it would be possible
for classified in society to develop radical technologies,

699
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:44.440
including some version of electrogravitics or anti
graph which I think is entirely possible,

700
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.039
which I think has been achieved,
including therefore the ability to go off

701
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:52.679
world in one way or another,
including therefore the ability maybe to have interactions

702
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:54.920
of some sort with this other reality. Well, that would give you a

703
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:59.599
very different cosmology, It would give
you very different technology and a different understanding

704
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.360
everything. Could you be considered a
separate civilization, Well, that's broken way

705
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.320
from the rest of us, I
think, sure. Does that mean they

706
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.599
all live on Mars in an alternative
three scenario? No, I don't.

707
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:14.519
I don't know. I think the
actions on Earth, you know, the

708
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:20.119
action's here, so they're here.
Earth is a fascinating place for us and

709
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.800
for others to be here. So
I guess when you define define a civilization

710
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:27.679
or a society, and I think
that's where it comes into some of the

711
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.480
details. Well, I think there's
a number of issues that some people have

712
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.159
with it. But well, I'd
like to know what are those issues.

713
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:36.760
Maybe you can explain it. Yeah, I will. And that's what I

714
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:42.719
want to talk about, is you
know, when you talk about society or

715
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:47.440
a civilization, you're not are you
necessarily saying, you know, like families

716
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.280
that are growing up in this alternative? I don't know. I don't.

717
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.440
I don't go that far to say
necessarily. Yeah. So I think that's

718
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.320
what the issue becomes. And that's
what I wrote about. I don't know

719
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:00.880
if you suck because I made a
comment in this string of stuff. I

720
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:04.079
gleaned a quick thing that you wrote
enough, maybe not the details. So

721
00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.159
I was just talking about how I
remember when I first heard you talk about

722
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:12.239
breakaway civilizations and I thought, I
need to interview him about that, because

723
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.280
that's very interesting. I think it's
fascinating I get, and we did.

724
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:21.280
We interviewed about it, and you
said something very similar to what you said.

725
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.320
Now. I think what happens,
and I think it comes back to

726
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:28.599
what we were talking about. With
all these battles and these forums and stuff,

727
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.880
is a lot of kill the messenger. So I think a lot of

728
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:36.440
people have ran with your concept and
now are kind of like Richard Dolan says,

729
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.840
there's a breakaway civilization, and they
have hephos. One of the crazy

730
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.920
things about seeing it is like a
little child that grows off and becomes like

731
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.320
a serial killer. So I see
people like Richard Hoagland took my phrase.

732
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.920
Alex Jones uses it all the time
on his show There You Go. I

733
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.159
hear it all the time. Yeah, And I you know, I don't

734
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.719
know how I feel about it.
On the one hand, I don't think

735
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.760
it's a bad thing that this phrase
is out there, but it's not something

736
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.599
that anyone can control. Once it
is out there, people use it for

737
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.639
their own purposes, and well,
can I say about it? And I

738
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:14.360
think what happens is it's an intellectual
idea and a world that is not always

739
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.079
so intellectual, that likes things to
be simple, and so it's a bit

740
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:22.039
nebulous for a lot of people,
and so people define it in their own

741
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.519
way. And I think it's those
other definitions that people have a problem with.

742
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.960
But they make you the poster child
for beating it all out. I

743
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.519
can that they can certainly do,
and I don't mind. I do think

744
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:38.440
that there's some very high strangeness concerning
our planet and the immediate environs, including

745
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:43.599
the moon. I don't mind saying
this anymore. I've had two many I

746
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.400
don't know for a fact that there's
bases on the far side of the room,

747
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:50.320
but I sure as hell do you
wonder. I'll just say that I've

748
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.639
spoken many times in my conversation a
number of years ago with Russell Targ I

749
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.440
don't mind saying it here very briefly. Russell, of course, is one

750
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.920
of the two people to developed their
CIA sponsored remote viewing program at Stanford Research

751
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:07.679
Institute. I've spoken with Russell at
link number of times, spoke with how

752
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:12.400
putoff the number of times the other
person who developed it. Russell said to

753
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.639
me point blank a couple of years
ago that in the early nineteen eighties,

754
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:22.280
one of his tasks was to train
remote viewers at Fort Meade, Maryland,

755
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.440
who were going to be remote viewing
the dark on the far side of the

756
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.719
moon. I asked him, why
would they do that, you know,

757
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.519
waiting for him to state the obvious. He threw it right back of me.

758
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.760
Why do you think? He said? So? Then I thought,

759
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:37.880
well, I'll bite so I said, well, okay, were they looking

760
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.360
for ET? Were they going to
look for ET? He didn't say.

761
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.599
Maybe he didn't say no. He
said yes, they were going to look

762
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.960
for ET. That was their job. I was a bit astonished that he

763
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.159
just said that to me. I
then asked, well, did they find

764
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.679
et? Hey, it's a normal
question to ask y. Yeah, those

765
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.360
are the questions you want to ask. He said, well, I don't

766
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.360
know. That wasn't. That wasn't
in my So whether he knows or not,

767
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:04.639
I don't know, but I believe
him. I had no reason to

768
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.960
think that he was lying to me
or deceiving me. So think about it.

769
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.280
Early nineteen eighties. You got a
program to train remote viewers to look

770
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.119
for extraterrestrials and the far side of
the moon. Why would they do this

771
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.039
if they didn't have in their mind
a reason to look. Well, and

772
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.360
there's a number, I mean,
then you get into all those different speculation,

773
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:28.840
and it's interesting to speculate. But
SRI was pretty into some weird stuff

774
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.360
that was seeming weird even by their
colleagues. I think mcgonaga even says they

775
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.119
were at best twenty percent accurate.
No, that's right. So there's a

776
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.639
lot of mistakes, but there was
enough to give a reason to believe that

777
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.440
there was something too remote viewing.
But the point about the moon simply is

778
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:47.119
that that's just one story. Yeah, there are a number of interesting moon

779
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:52.039
stories that are out there that I
don't have an easy way of dismissing Carl

780
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.360
Wolf's story. I have a very
difficult time dismissing Karl Wolf. I just

781
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:59.440
do. And what is this story? Carlwolf worked at right Pat back in

782
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.920
the sixties, had a quick assignment
at the NSSA where he was interacting with

783
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:07.800
an NSA technician over I'm trying to
get this right, getting digital telemetry or

784
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:15.440
digital data from space satellites. This
is early era of doing that. And

785
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:21.199
apparently the guy that he was with
had these moon photos that were being looked

786
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:25.920
at right at that time, and
this guy showed Carl Wolf. Carl Wolf,

787
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.880
you know many He's said the story
many times. Said he got scared

788
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:32.480
because he realized he was looking at
things and hearing about things that he was

789
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.400
not cleared for, essentially what looked
like structures on the Moon, And he's

790
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:42.280
spoken very explicitly about it than any
number of YouTube videos one could find.

791
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.920
A woman named Donna Hare gives similar
type of testimony. She's not a direct

792
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.639
witness, but claimed that she spoke
with astronauts in the in the early seventies

793
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.039
and talked about structures. And then
there's just there's more. There's yeah,

794
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:58.599
these and these stories. Just there's
the Neil Armstrong story, which I think

795
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.599
that I credit came from Timothy Good. There's this. You know, several

796
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:05.440
of the crazy statements that buzz Aldron
Is made make you wonder what's going on

797
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.719
with these people. So I'm of
the opinion that there is very possibly,

798
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:15.920
very possibly indeed a presence, a
long term presence of someone on the moon

799
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:22.159
when getting back to Breakaway, because
I think that's interesting. And I mentioned

800
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:24.960
to them because I thought dovetail with
this idea but makes sense. Yeah,

801
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.360
but I did want to ask you
a question, just one thing that always

802
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:32.000
comes to mind. With a breakaway
society and these technologies that are being developed,

803
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:36.280
it would seem that I just want
to hear your thoughts. It would

804
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.400
be difficult because as they develop these
secret technologies, however, they're so secret

805
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:45.360
they can't really use them in any
public space. I mean a lot of

806
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:51.679
the stealth helicopter they used in the
bin Laden was it, lots of it's

807
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:54.639
still secret. Some of the other
crafts supposedly they're using over there are a

808
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:00.760
secret but you can't you know,
use it very much. How do you

809
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:06.559
get past are these things then being
shelved or you think they could possibly being

810
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.360
used? I know you follow politics
and the wars everywhere going on, you

811
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:14.039
know, how do you negotiate with
because one of these wars isn't to win

812
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.440
them? One of the wars honestly, I mean, we really have to

813
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.360
understand that we're not living in an
air of nation states anymore. They're kind

814
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.760
of done. So we have as
an air of multinational groups that own a

815
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:29.159
massive war industry that love making money
on war. You don't need to have,

816
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:35.280
you know, a laser firing flying
saucer to take out isis when you

817
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.320
can spend another trillion dollars of people's
money and everyone can get rich in the

818
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:43.079
process, why would you do that? So what you do with these advanced

819
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.119
technologies that are classified, if there
is a purpose for them, that purpose

820
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:52.519
would be would have to be consistent
with the with the level of that technology.

821
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:54.800
In other words, if you're going
to be dealing with these other beings

822
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.800
in any way, shape or form, that's the technology that you'll use,

823
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:04.119
and that technology it would be of
a sufficiently high classification that its use would

824
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.800
not be permitted for something as pedestrian
as mere geopolitical conflict. All right,

825
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.920
you want to fight your wars in
Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else. He

826
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.559
days, This military got more than
ample weaponry to do basically what they want.

827
01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.719
As long as they're spending a lot
of money, Well would you don't

828
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:22.679
need to use it? You know
what? You understand what I mean.

829
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.639
I understand what you mean. But
if these people have all the money,

830
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:28.360
they have all the power, what
more do they need? I mean,

831
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.400
why would they want to develop?
The res age? Old question? Go

832
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.400
back five thousand years to ancient Egypt
and go on to banks of the Nile,

833
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.679
and here's the Egyptian peasant who's got
nothing, some fish in a little

834
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.519
hut, and up the rivers Pharaoh, who's got all the gold in the

835
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:45.440
world. Why does Pharaoh need more
gold? I don't know. Maybe because

836
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:49.280
Pharaoh doesn't really give a crap about
the peasants. But Pharaoh's looking at the

837
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.880
other kings and other royalty and competing
against them, because that's your legal living.

838
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:57.360
It matters when you're at the top
the tippy top of the human food

839
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.559
chain. You're competing against other people
and you're Serpa. It's like a game.

840
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.800
How much wealth and how much power
can they amass? That's what it's

841
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.599
about. Well, and I agree
because if there are these people, because

842
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.039
you look at history and you do
see that sort of thing. But these

843
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.079
people also keep themselves in check,
taking each other down peg by peg here

844
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.840
and there so they can climb on
top of each other. There's always,

845
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.199
thank goodness, there's power struggles at
the top exactly. And speaking of you

846
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:28.159
know, along those lines with ISIS
and everything, and who knows what I

847
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.159
would think, you know, if
Obama, for instance, knew there was

848
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:35.760
a spaceship at flying at Area fifty
one that had lasers that could kill Isis,

849
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:37.880
he would probably use it. I
don't know, you don't know what

850
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:43.480
because he would be that obviously he's
struggling politically, and I think all these

851
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:49.239
politicians. He'd introducing the radical revolutionary
technology that would transform our infrastructure. That's

852
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.079
a tall order to ask ag any
president, you know, there's a tall

853
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:57.920
or he would be the hero that
took out Isis because he finally unclassified this

854
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:02.079
secret flying saucergle lasers for a bomb
on I know it would never happen,

855
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.920
it would never go down like that. Well, ever, it could be

856
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:07.679
possible. He has no clue that
something like this exist. See even if

857
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:12.119
it does, he I would guess
he has not been briefed. I had

858
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.039
a con I've mentioned this in public
a few times, and I don't want

859
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.239
to be labor something I've talked about
over and over. One day, I'm

860
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:21.239
going to mention this man's name.
He's a very prominent, very brilliant man

861
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:27.079
who was high level at the CIA, and I just once asked him.

862
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:30.760
I have a few conversations with him. I said, well, what do

863
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.480
presidents know? You know, one
of the things that everyone wants to know.

864
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.159
And his answer was essentially, some
have known more than others. And

865
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:39.559
he said, you know, presidents
come and go. Some are reliable,

866
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.480
some are not, Some drink.
This is during W. Bush's presidency,

867
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:49.000
and I don't know. I really
didn't under In any case, he said,

868
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.679
there are lifers who are there forever
and they manage the program. And

869
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:55.840
you know what, president is a
public relations guy. He's got to kiss

870
01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.440
the baby, shake the hands,
he's got to be the face. He

871
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:06.639
cannot possibly manage the hundreds of special
access programs that are out there that are

872
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.800
often highly illegal and incendiary in one
way or another, and he can't do

873
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:15.320
it logistically anyway. Yeah, So
to let you know, for something as

874
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:21.400
explosive as the presence of other beings
from wherever they hell they're from, with

875
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.039
technology that would transform our world in
an instant, no, I think not.

876
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:29.199
Well. One of my favorite statements
is Clinton's when he was asked,

877
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.400
I think in Hong Kong about UFO's
in Area fifty one and stuff, and

878
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.559
he said, well, I looked
into it. I didn't find anything,

879
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:39.880
but I wouldn't be the first president
that career bureaucrats have lied to. And

880
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:44.039
he seemed to be like, ho
hum about it. Oh, well,

881
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.280
I tried. They didn't tell me. I'm busy with my other stuff.

882
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:52.039
The impression that I got from this
individual was that Clinton did not get very

883
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.519
much information. He did say that
Jimmy Carter knew, Ronald Reagan knew,

884
01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.199
and Bush Senior knew. Oh,
very interesting, interesting that Carter would be

885
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.920
in there. Well, he told
me about a briefing that Carter supposedly had

886
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:08.800
in June of nineteen seventy seven,
which left Carter apparently near tears are sobbing.

887
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.960
Really, I wrote about it in
a d after disclosure, and I

888
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:16.760
may have written about it in my
newest book I can't recall. But you

889
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:20.440
know, I mean, this is
this came from this gentleman in a very

890
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:27.480
ultra precisely described manner. This is
a guy who qualifies everything five or six

891
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.760
ways before he gives you. His
exact answer to a question is very precise.

892
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.159
But anyway, I don't know how
he got into that. Oh we

893
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:38.559
Obama. Oh and using flying saucers
you take out ices. I just don't

894
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:42.800
think so. I think this would
never happen. I think these politicians,

895
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.039
that's all they care about the world
would be damned. As long as they

896
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:49.719
look good, they can be out
there say yeah, but you know the

897
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:54.599
ones in control, are they really
well? And that's the questions. Unfortunately,

898
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:56.840
if there is one, he probably
wouldn't be allowed to use it.

899
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:59.519
Sorry, Obama, we can't let
you use it. It's like good fellows.

900
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.440
You become a made man, all
right. You know, you attend

901
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.280
the Bilderberg meeting in nineteen ninety two, your name's Bill Clinton. You become

902
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.480
the next president. That's how it
works Obama same thing. You know,

903
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:16.360
they become dipped into the world and
they understand that they they have got to

904
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.679
play ball with the people who put
them into power. And I mean,

905
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:24.639
I guess to that point it gets
a little bit off topic, but maybe

906
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:27.199
not. And I know, you
know, I've seen kind of some of

907
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.480
your posts. It's almost like the
media and everybody bullies around the president's a

908
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:36.480
lot, and currently they seem to
be against the public interest, trying to

909
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:42.760
bully Obama into escalating this war.
Well you've got there are a lot of

910
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:46.559
crazy people in both parties who are
really interested in the war. And as

911
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:49.920
critical as I have been about much
of Obama, I think of him is

912
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.119
very much a continuation of the George
W. Bush presidency. Nonetheless, if

913
01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:00.280
McCain had been elected president, mccanna
I think is truly insane and would have

914
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.360
tried to go to war with Russia, which would have been an absolutely really

915
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:08.840
bad, wrong, stupid thing to
do. Yeah. So yeah, there's

916
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:15.519
there's there are these push there's a
push to escalate. You know, It's

917
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.599
basically what happens is you put a
rank through people's nose and you lead them

918
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:21.360
like a cattle through the field.
In other words, they're pushing for war

919
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:26.000
now and they want to escalate this
war against isis. Some of these people

920
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:30.119
want to fight Russia. Bayer just
made this ridiculously stupid statement about well if

921
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:38.119
uh if what's his name, who's
the candidy ran against Obama, Mick Romney.

922
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:41.519
If Romney had been elected, he
would have punched putin in the nose.

923
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:47.239
Stupid juvenile statement like that. Bayner
just said, who are these people

924
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:49.920
that they actually think this is the
one, like you're gonna have a war

925
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:55.280
with Russia. Really, it's kind
of funny because this makes me think it's

926
01:06:55.280 --> 01:07:00.480
something you said in your top that
maybe it's good that these guys are controlling

927
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.519
things and maybe we need to have, you know, some metering of what

928
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:05.280
comes out to the public and stuff
like that. Don't I say that you

929
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:10.199
said something, Yeah, you did
say you did prose that possibility. Maybe

930
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:14.400
you don't fill that way. Well, there are truths of this reality that

931
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:18.119
could be very dark and very scary, but it might be good because I

932
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:21.599
know people at the top have a
lot of hard decisions to make that there

933
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:27.039
there are people up there behind the
scenes metering a baner or some of these

934
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.880
other goofballs. What do you mean, metering? I want to make sure

935
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:33.519
I'm understanding, so that you know
this sort of rhetoric isn't escalating out of

936
01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:38.400
control. That hopefully the are okay, cooler heads behind the scenes that are

937
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:44.519
prevailing. Right. There is this
push, there's a definite push on Obama

938
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.000
for him to be aggressive now in
the Middle East. Look, no one

939
01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:53.039
likes ISIS. I mean, they're
horrible, They're fairly reprehensible, and they

940
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:57.639
are terrifying for sure, but there
are reasons. The best thing that you

941
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.519
could say about US policy on this, and I know we're getting off UFO

942
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.320
path, the best thing you can
say is that US policy has been utterly,

943
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:08.000
hopelessly incompetent, which led to the
rise of ISIS. That goes from

944
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.239
Bush to Obama, both of them. Bush, you know, reckless invasion

945
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:17.079
of Iraq and three which never had
justification ever ever, he did it anyway

946
01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:21.359
and wrecked that country's infrastructure and led
directly to the radicalization as a result of

947
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:27.479
ISIS. And then Obama's decision to
bomb Syria in twenty eleven equally just long

948
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.880
headed stuff. These people think that
they can just go in there and run

949
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.960
these countries without repercussion. That's the
best you could say is that this idiocy

950
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:41.000
policy led to it. What you
could also say is that there's something even

951
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:47.119
more insidious behind the scenes. Turkey, a NATO ally has absolutely led to

952
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:51.199
us direct support of ISIS. And
we are now seeing this very very clearly

953
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.359
right under the nose of the US. And there are now claims, increasingly

954
01:08:56.439 --> 01:09:00.920
many of them, that have claimed
that the CIA itself was directly arming the

955
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:04.760
individuals who became ISIS. It wouldn't
shock me in the least, all right,

956
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:09.239
And the most nefarious way to look
at it, and I don't know

957
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:13.399
that this is true, but I
don't rule it out, is that this

958
01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.319
is all a game. It's all
a game to find a new hitler,

959
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:23.119
a new evil enemy, to spend
to justify another near trillion dollars a year

960
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:27.920
on in military weaponry that we cannot
afford that was blowing our future away on

961
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.000
I think it likely it came around, I think to pertain to our conversation,

962
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.920
but to kind of wrap things up, and at least I want to

963
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:40.920
get your perspective on this. I
never really deal with definitives. I think

964
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:44.720
it's hard to do that in this
field to say never this or definitely that,

965
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:47.840
And you spoke to this a little
earlier. I mean when I interpret

966
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:54.600
when you talk about breakaway societies and
some of these ideas is that they're very,

967
01:09:54.680 --> 01:10:00.760
very like your whole book ad with
Bryce. It's very interesting speculation and

968
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.920
thought about what could happen, which
is definitely helpful. I mean, do

969
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.840
you feel definitive on a lot of
these things? I would say, here's

970
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.439
what I'm definitive about. If I
were to be on like NBC News being

971
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:14.960
grilled, what could I defend?
I could defend the fact that there is

972
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:20.039
a phenomenon that our military is engaged
for decades and generations that has never been

973
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:25.319
supposed to exist, but does exist. And I could say that that doesn't

974
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:30.199
mean that I know that they're alien, but there is a phenomenon with technology

975
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:38.479
that seems to have intention violating sensitive
airspace many many times, getting high levels

976
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:44.520
of concern elicited from high level US
military planners and intelligence communities that I would

977
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:46.800
say, I'm strongly I could take
that to the bank. There is,

978
01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:51.520
in other words, a phenomenon going
on with something highly extraordinary that is not

979
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.880
supposed to exist but does now beyond
that. We have many, many questions,

980
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.840
and I could give you maybe gradations
of what I think is true or

981
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.640
not, but the core, you
know, with all of the madness that

982
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:12.159
surrounds UFO phenomenon, the difficulties and
the genuine mysteries that are there, I'm

983
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:16.000
always finding myself falling back to that
core reality, which is that there is

984
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:21.920
something happening here that is not supposed
to that demands public discourse. Right great

985
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.960
and hopefully like you, because I
do the same thing, fall back on

986
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.560
that and that inspires me to keep
going. Is that what inspires you to

987
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.960
keep going? The main thing that
inspires me to keep going is simply the

988
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:38.439
desire to keep exploring. I could
never just do a regular job in some

989
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:43.479
company or office. I am not
capable. I have to explore. I

990
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:47.039
have to keep pushing. And this
is I've stumbled into I think, maybe

991
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:53.920
the greatest mystery that I could possibly
have ever stumbled onto. And I don't

992
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:57.920
pretend I'll ever get to the full
final answer to it. I doubt it.

993
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.000
I think what we're dealing with is
phenomenon that's just beyond the limits of

994
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:04.319
maybe what the human mind even can
comprehend. But that doesn't mean that there's

995
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:10.840
no value in the journey. It
doesn't mean that it's not a valuable attempt.

996
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:15.720
So I get satisfaction out of that. And beyond that, I believe

997
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:25.960
in the political the political necessity or
justness of trying to get our system back

998
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.119
to some semblance of responsiveness to people. And you know, the UFO phenomenon

999
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.760
isn't the only knife in the back
of the American Republic. There have been

1000
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:40.199
several, the creation of empire,
the creation of a mass media, but

1001
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:44.079
it's one. It's a significant one, and it's prompted a lot of these

1002
01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:48.039
things that have undermined, you know, the ideals and things that we most

1003
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.319
of us grew up believing in.
So I think getting a government to be

1004
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:57.439
responsive on this most important of issues
is a fight worth having. I think

1005
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.119
it's being an adult and responsible as
a citizen too. I mean, I

1006
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:08.000
agree with you so much that you
know, we always struggled to engage the

1007
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:13.760
main stream because just pulling out of
everything, it's kind of like not doing

1008
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.319
your civic duty. Get in their
face. You know, I grew up

1009
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.680
with my I've often spoken of my
dad. He's still around, he's retired.

1010
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:23.640
New York City cop and my father
inspired me in more ways than I

1011
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.319
could possibly imagine. My dad was
very active undercover cop in New York,

1012
01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:32.600
worked Mike Tyson's old neighborhood in Benkrarce
Syvesant in Brooklyn, and my dad was

1013
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:38.319
kind of a fighting police corruption in
his day. He lost his battles,

1014
01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:42.920
but he gave it a good fight. And I remember being about ten years

1015
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.319
old. I was a skinny,
little, tiny kid and my dad was

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01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:47.680
a huge guy, and he put
his big I was sitting on the couch

1017
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:51.640
with him, and he put his
big hand on my knee and he said,

1018
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:56.119
listen, in your life, you're
going to fight a lot of fights.

1019
01:13:56.600 --> 01:14:00.560
And I'm thinking, what are you
talking about that? Well, I

1020
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.560
had a lot of those as a
kid, actually, But he was thinking

1021
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.760
of something else and I wasn't quite
getting it. And he said, and

1022
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:12.880
there may be times when you are
you are a minority of one, surrounded

1023
01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.600
by a thousand people are trying to
shout you down and tell you how wrong

1024
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:17.720
you are. He said, but
if you if you have justice on your

1025
01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:20.399
side, and then if you have
truth on your site, never be afraid

1026
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:24.079
to fight, and never be afraid
to win. And he he said that

1027
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:28.239
to me, and it was this
ten year old boy, and it made

1028
01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.159
a big impact on me. I
just gobbled it up. And it's funny

1029
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:35.000
now because in my first few years
when I was researching UFOs, I didn't

1030
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:40.079
tell my dad or my mom.
I was like, you know, sneaking

1031
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:45.039
around with my UFO class apologist exactly. And then when I kind of came

1032
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.039
out with it, it was gratifying
to me that both of my parents were

1033
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:53.359
kind of happy about it. My
dad now he gets worried about me.

1034
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:56.000
He says, ah, Richie,
you know, you're putting yourself out there

1035
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.920
a little bit. I said,
hey, man, this is exactly what

1036
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:00.640
you did. Don't give me any
agree and then he laughs because he knows.

1037
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:04.119
Well, that's awesome. That's a
good place to end. Thank you

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01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:09.720
so much for joining me my pleasure, Eleandro. Thank you so much to

1039
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:15.239
Richard Dolan for being on the show. His website used to be Keyhole Publishing,

1040
01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:17.880
but some of you are probably aware
he's seeing that change that to the

1041
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:23.479
Richard Dolan Press, so you can
google him at Richard Dolan Press and you'll

1042
01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:27.880
get all of the latest information,
including the latest books that he has been

1043
01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:31.399
publishing and some good ones, including
a new one by Bruce mcabee, so

1044
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:34.960
that's pretty exciting. So it was
a lot of fun to talk about him.

1045
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:42.000
And it's always fun to touch on
some subjects that need to be traversed

1046
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.199
delicately, because you know, that's
where the fun stuff is, where we

1047
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:49.439
can kind of talk about some of
the stuff we disagree on or come to

1048
01:15:49.560 --> 01:15:55.239
understandings or not agree to disagree in
many cases. So I'm sure there will

1049
01:15:55.279 --> 01:16:01.359
be some conversation spawned by our conversation
where some will choose not to agree to

1050
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:09.359
disagree and will disagree vehemently and loudly, like of course people are prone to

1051
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:13.840
do on the line, those grouchy
sons of guns. But of course many

1052
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:19.279
of you will enjoy in a kind
way. And of course we do love

1053
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:25.039
to hear your responses on our Facebook
or on our page at Open Minds dot

1054
01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:28.439
tv, so we love to hear
from everybody. We love to hear from

1055
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.760
listeners too when we go places,
so it was a lot of fun to

1056
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.640
hear from some of the listeners.
It was fun because at the phone booth,

1057
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:41.199
I was met a couple there when
we were going out of town who

1058
01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:45.279
were at the conference that we're also
there taking pictures of the famous phone booth

1059
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.600
where Travis Walton reappeared and we were
talking and the ladies like, I recognize

1060
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:53.600
your voice from somewhere, Oh are
you Alejandro, and oh you're from Open

1061
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:57.760
Mind. So she was a listener. UFO Angel is what she goes by.

1062
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:01.520
It's her online title. So hello
to you all. It was nice

1063
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:06.359
to meet you, and it was
nice to meet other listeners. I'll also

1064
01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:12.319
be at Paula Harris's conference this weekend
in Laughlin. I think it's called like

1065
01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:16.720
UFO Nostalgia, but that's in Laughlin
and Nevada this weekend, so that to

1066
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.359
be interesting and I'll be there.
If you want to say hi, that

1067
01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:26.600
would be wonderful. But as Rich
and I talked about, it's very important

1068
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:31.720
that you are at the UFO Congress
this year because we are having Bob Lazarre

1069
01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:39.680
in an exclusive historical appearance where he
will come and do a Q and A

1070
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:45.920
that will be hosted by George Knapp
that will follow a presentation by George Knapp

1071
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:50.399
on Bob Lazar's case. And I
invite you, if you're a skeptic,

1072
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:56.359
I invite you especially to come and
check it out, because you know how

1073
01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:58.840
Jason and I are on the show. We like to look at things with

1074
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:02.079
a critical eye. And George Knapp, you know, had some compelling things

1075
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:06.279
to say about Bob Blazar, and
I think he's going to tackle some of

1076
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:10.760
the tough questions. I've asked a
lot of UFO researchers, including Rich and

1077
01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:14.479
others, to be sure to give
me their questions. Someone else I saw

1078
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:18.880
this weekend and spoke to at length
was mister Stanton Friedman. And it's kind

1079
01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:21.119
of funny because lots of people were
saying, well, you know you're having

1080
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:26.680
Bob Blazar. Stanton Friedman would never
go to a conference with Bob Lazar being

1081
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:30.520
there. It's not the case at
all, you know. Stanton. I

1082
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.039
asked him about that, Pe told
him people were saying that, and he

1083
01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:34.800
said, oh, that's silly.
I'd be kind of a coward if I

1084
01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:40.800
wasn't wanting to be present in something
like that. So he does want to

1085
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:45.039
be there. Our speaker list is
full and we've had Stanton recently, so

1086
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:47.680
he won't be speaking, but he
did ask if he could be there.

1087
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:50.119
He wants to be a vendor,
so he's going to try to work it

1088
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:53.319
out. So he is there,
and I think that'll be a lot of

1089
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.840
fun. I also told him,
make sure to give us your questions and

1090
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:00.000
we'll ask. But that way,
after people Seelazar, they can go over

1091
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.439
and say, hey, Santon,
what did you think? Or you know?

1092
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:08.039
And who knows, maybe Stanton will
see it and say, well,

1093
01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:11.079
you know, there is some compelling
stuff that I have to look at here.

1094
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:13.760
Who knows, I don't know,
but it'll be neat if he does

1095
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:17.520
show up. So definitely come to
the UFO Congress. Tickets are selling very

1096
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:24.439
quickly. We are about to send
out a print piece that we mail out

1097
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:27.840
a mailer to people, and once
we ship that out, you know,

1098
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:32.520
the registrations come fast and furious.
We already have a lot of registrations.

1099
01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:38.720
Rooms are still available at the host
Hotel, so go reserve your room there

1100
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:42.000
if for some reason you know get
there in time. Luckily, there are

1101
01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.479
nearby hotels that you can stay out
that are very pleasant as well and very

1102
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.520
close. And the weather, of
course will be great. Those of you

1103
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:54.399
from the East coast, or like
Jason and Boise, are facing some colder

1104
01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:58.520
weather, but you can come out
here in February where it's nice and pleasant.

1105
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.439
There's even people in the pool the
hot tub in February out here,

1106
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:05.800
so it's a lot of fun.
So check out the UFO Congress, check

1107
01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:11.880
out spacing Out on our YouTube.
A lot of great fun stuff there,

1108
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:17.239
and then also check out everything else
we have. Oh, I wanted to

1109
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:20.199
mention the video one of the other
cool things we're gonna have on YouTube.

1110
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:25.840
Like I said, we're getting a
video put together on the Travis Walton UFO

1111
01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:29.239
and Counter site. Hopefully we'll have
that up Friday, if not early next

1112
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:33.600
week. But I told you that
we went to mof on their boot camp

1113
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:38.560
a week or so ago. We're
gonna have that video up in the next

1114
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:42.840
couple of days, and we got
some really good interviews. You're gonna want

1115
01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:45.479
to check out that. I know
you're gonna like some really cool stuff there.

1116
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:49.920
So we'll have that up soon too
on our YouTube site. And again

1117
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:55.000
you can find this all at openminds
dot tv or on YouTube. You can

1118
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:58.720
look for our channel called open Minds
TV, or you can go to the

1119
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:03.079
UFO Congress for more. Thank you
all for joining us, and thank you

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01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:09.000
to Caleb Hanks for doing the opening
and close music. You can find him

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01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:13.880
by googling chronicles and all kinds of
free cool music there. Thank you to

1122
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:18.239
the PSN Network who also plays the
show, and thank you all so much

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for listening. We love you people, we really do. When we put

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01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:29.079
this together, it is out of
love for our wonderful listeners. You guys

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are awesome. Until next week,
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