1 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:47,119 Welcome to this edition of The High Strangeness Factor, copyrighted on the Paranormal UK 2 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,240 Radio Network. I am your host, Steve Ward. On the High Strangeness 3 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:56,320 Factor Andy Mercer and I explore all aspects of the paranormal with an emphasis on 4 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:00,679 the patterns, connections and parallels that exist there. Well, Andy, it's 5 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:06,719 good to be back after a little bit of a hiatus I had. My 6 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:11,560 excuse was I had a really busy September. The first part of September over 7 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,359 our labor day here, I drove to Exeter, New Hampshire for the Exeter 8 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:21,560 UFO Festival and spoke there with the mac maloney gang. At the end of 9 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,120 the month, I drove to the Van Meter Visitor Festival, which is just 10 00:01:26,239 --> 00:01:30,879 west of Des Moines, and in the middle I could walk to the Mothband 11 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,159 Festival, but I spent about three days in the T and T area setting 12 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,920 up giants, spiderwebs and big furry spiders and lighting up their eyes and cobbling 13 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:45,439 together all kinds of creatures. So anyway, by the end of September, 14 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:53,799 this old boy was really really pooped. Sounds of it. The first way 15 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,280 I recovered was I just kind of a sag in my chair and I was 16 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:05,719 watching British Murder Mysteries. Oh dear, because anyway, oh go ahead, 17 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,199 I can say one of your favorites, of course, is set in the 18 00:02:07,199 --> 00:02:12,520 area I now live. So that's some quite interesting because midsummer. Yeah, 19 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,120 and set away where I now, as I having escaped from the horrors of 20 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,520 Essex a few months. Well, you better keep looking over your shoulder because 21 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,680 they just keep dropping like flies over there. There's a little wirrying after say, 22 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:25,520 people seemed to have died in the midsummer areas. There's small villages, 23 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,280 so it's quite quite ridiculous. But yes, now you also have some news 24 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,919 with uh, with your project? Oh good? Where do I start? 25 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:40,599 Yes, my long planned publishing company has finally come to life as we speak. 26 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:45,360 My first publication is actually at the printer's being physically printed up now. 27 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,039 It's my first book, which will be coming out towards the end of this 28 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,280 month. Actual should get delivery of the books to purchase it then. And 29 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,680 I have three others that are in the various stages of being prepared to be 30 00:02:54,719 --> 00:02:58,719 published next year. So it's all looking forward. And I see my publishing 31 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:04,039 company night the circle press publishing occult and esoteric titles. So that's kept me 32 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,280 busy for a couple of months now, just working how to do things in 33 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,439 design the software used to lay out a book for publication. I went from 34 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:15,120 totally knowing nothing to actually be able to use it reasonably well in a couple 35 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,680 of weeks thanks to a friend of mine who's also a publisher. She taught 36 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:22,960 me through what to do and it's all going well. So just waiting for 37 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:28,120 the book to arrive. I've got the sort of proof copies and called the 38 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,680 the run sheets. They're called it's basically the unbound version of the book came 39 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:36,280 through the look fantastic. So just waiting now to actually have the book in 40 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:39,520 my hand physically. So yeah, it's been a good time. That's very 41 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:46,120 cool. Soon you'll be publishing my books. Well it depends what actually if 42 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,039 you make making a bit joke there, but it's interesting important. It's kind 43 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:53,199 of immerged. The books I'm publishing are all esoteric, occult, witchcraft, 44 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:55,520 magic, that kind of stuff, which is my other big interest. But 45 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,919 I quite a few people message me so they've got books on goes to UFOs 46 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,879 wanted. We're just in publishing those now and didn't really occur to me that 47 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:06,280 people kind of think of me both as sort of and the cult guy they 48 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,960 like and and the panel book. So I'm not doing panelal publications. But 49 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,960 it's funny how many people have sent them and then they've looked at Night Circle 50 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,439 press dot com the website to see what kind of book I'm publishing and think 51 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:23,079 that's not quite the same thing. But yeah, I never really thought that 52 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:26,399 that would be something I had to consider that people were thinking more of the 53 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,519 panel and stuff, which is not really what I'm going to be publishing. 54 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,240 Well, very cool, a dream is coming true. Indeed, yes, 55 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:38,480 at last, taking about ten years, but finally, well we have a 56 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,720 really great guest coming on. Heather Monitor is a producer and researcher for the 57 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,839 documentary film company Small Town Monsters. She's also an author and a junct professor. 58 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:53,480 You can read some of her work in the first, third, and 59 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,959 fifth volume of The Feminine Macabre, and you can also catch her podcast, 60 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:01,040 The Law You Know on your favorite podcatcher. Heather, Welcome to The High 61 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:05,519 Strangest Factor. Hi, thank you so much for having me. So, 62 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:11,199 you know, I almost don't know where to begin, how did How did 63 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,839 you get involved with small town monsters? I harassed Seth is always my answer 64 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:26,079 for that. Now, I was looking into cursed objects, specifically those the 65 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,560 rocks that people take from the bell Witch Cave, and specifically looking at letters 66 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,040 that people write when they returned cursed objects to locations, and that's something that 67 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,839 is represented pretty well with the bell Witch Cave. Actually, when you go 68 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,199 in to buy your ticket to go to the cave, they have the letters 69 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,560 just covering the walls of the gift shop. So anyway, I was looking 70 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,519 at cursed objects and the letters that come with them. And I had been 71 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:56,000 aware of small town monsters because I grew up not far from Minerva. In 72 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,839 the first small town Monsters documentary was Minerva Monster Sodately, they were on my 73 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,120 radar. Of course, it's a small town. Everybody talks, you know, 74 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:10,160 all there's a Bigfoot movie coming out about us. So I was aware 75 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:15,920 of them, and I had been doing some Belwich research and cursed object research 76 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:21,000 and followed along with them enough that whenever they got to want me en a 77 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:28,000 point. Pleasant Steth had an aspect of the movie that dove more into research 78 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,600 and folklore more so than the previous films that I really enjoyed. So that 79 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,160 was my first contact with him, was to tell him, hey, I 80 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:39,959 appreciate the research aspect of things, because I had just finished up my master's 81 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,000 degree and getting like finishing up my thesis. So I had been deep in 82 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,480 research for a few years and I was missing that element of just passing time, 83 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,759 you know, going through first hand accounts and things like that and primary 84 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,959 sources. But nevertheless, as I was doing my my other work and following 85 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,439 small town monsters on the periphery, they announced that they were going to eventually 86 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:11,040 do The bell Witch, and so I contacted Seth again and I said, 87 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,879 hey, this is something that I've been looking into for quite a while. 88 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,959 If you need any help on the research aspect of things, I think that 89 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:21,319 I could lend some expertise here. And Seth said, actually that that would 90 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:28,720 be great, and he asked me to step in. Actually a couple a 91 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,560 couple of films before bell Witch. Momo was the first one that I was 92 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:38,600 on, and then Mockman Legacy and then which you know about, yes, 93 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,959 and then the bell Witch came out. But that's how it all happened. 94 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,680 I just kept kept let Seth know that I appreciated his work, and then 95 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,000 I kept saying, hey, you know I could help you. I really 96 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:56,879 missed doing research and I got in that way and that just grown from there. 97 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,800 You might remember Andy, you watched atmand Legacy right, Oh, yes, 98 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,360 yes, yes, and of course you saw my handsome countenance in there. 99 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,800 Yes and Heather, yes, absolutely, Yeah, that was I was 100 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,439 very happy to be part of that seth And small Town Monsters always does a 101 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,600 really good job. Well, before we move on, uh, you know, 102 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:22,879 I, uh, can you tell us something about the Bell Witch, 103 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,879 because I think most people think it's merely uh you know, with this disembodied 104 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:31,000 voice and maybe some Poultergeist phenomena and that sort of thing. But it seems 105 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,840 like it had a lot of tentacles. A lot of really strange stuff happened 106 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:41,759 during that period. Yeah, it arguably the most famous ghost story coming out 107 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,799 of the US. In the Bell Witch is more of a Poultergeist tale than 108 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:56,679 what its name would imply as a witch. But she ended up killing John 109 00:08:56,759 --> 00:09:00,919 Bell Sr. Or taking credit for killing John Bell Senior. Her voice said 110 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:05,480 that she fixed them up real good, in her words, and he died 111 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:11,720 on December twentieth, eighteen twenty. But she tortured this family for quite some 112 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,559 time. She started like it started off with just the noises and a little 113 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,200 bit of whispering, and then it became the disembodied voice. Then it became 114 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,279 at one point a which family is what they called it, a family of 115 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:26,559 voices. It would bick her back and forth. But it became quite well 116 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,399 known, and everybody came around from the area. They even had some people 117 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,279 come from overseas to sit in and get a glimpse of the poultergeist activity. 118 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:45,799 But there was the slapping and pin pricks and hair pulling, typical typical things 119 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,399 that you would think when stuff gets out of hand with poltergeist activity that she 120 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,600 did. But ultimately she said that she was going to kill John Bell and 121 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,279 that's why she was there, and that's indeed what she did, and then 122 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,720 she disappeared shortly after, came back about seven years later and gave some prophecies 123 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:09,759 of what was to come and supposedly more of a nostrodomas type thing, predicted 124 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,200 the future, and then disappeared, said she'd come back in one hundred and 125 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,720 seven years, and really nothing came of that, but they still have odd 126 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:24,720 things happen in Adam's, Tennessee and around the Beout which caves specifically. Like 127 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:28,639 I said, people take rocks from the cave and then their lives fall apart, 128 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,840 akin to going to visit Robert the Doll and taking his picture without his 129 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:41,200 permission and then they mail it back and ask for forgiveness. So and who 130 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,960 knows if that works. See that's the thing about these letters. You never 131 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,279 get the follow up letter that says, oh, thank you so much for 132 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,720 putting the rock back. My life is back together now. Who knows if 133 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:56,399 it works. But yeah, she had a lot of stuff going for Do 134 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:58,679 you have any idea what it was? I mean, it was what it 135 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,039 seems to be just some kind of a demonic spirit or do you have any 136 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,720 ideas about that? Yeah, I don't know. It would be more like 137 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:13,360 a Poultergeist type situation. But she herself would not even admit to who she 138 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,480 was. And I say she just because eventually she adopts the name of Kate, 139 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,360 claiming to be the Witch of Kate Batts, meaning some sort of ghost 140 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,519 or spirit that Kate bats employed, but she also claimed to be a Native 141 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,039 American spirit. She also claimed to be the spirit of an immigrant who had 142 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,960 buried some riches that she wanted them to find. And every time that the 143 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,480 family would believe her an attempt to prove this, she would laugh at them 144 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:43,480 for even considering that she was being truthful. So I have no idea either. 145 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,120 One of you read a book called Hungry Ghosts by Joe Fisher. No, 146 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:56,120 it's fascinating. He was working with through mediums over a period of time 147 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:03,200 and supposedly contacting the dead, dead officers from World War two and so forth, 148 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:09,480 and also supposedly a woman that he was supposed to have been connected to 149 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:13,840 through various incarnations. And he finds himself really kind of falling in love with 150 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:20,159 this whatever, and so he finds that he goes on a quest. He 151 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,440 goes to England, he goes to Greece. He wants to to prove, 152 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:28,399 you know, and goes to all these different records. He wants to, 153 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,320 you know, prove that these messages are correct. Well, as in so 154 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,720 many of these things, some turn out to be absolutely true, but then 155 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:45,440 there are huge gaps where the spirit or whatever is just lying or making up 156 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,879 stuff. It's like sort of like John Keele's Silent Contact Ease, where they 157 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:54,519 were getting all kinds of predictions and some of them would come true and some 158 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,600 were just bogus. So anyway, it's uh, I'm almost done with it. 159 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:05,480 And he came very very disillusioned afterwards. But that trickster element, that 160 00:13:05,159 --> 00:13:11,399 deceiving like like the Bell Witch did, kept kept saying she was different people, 161 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,360 was prevalent. It's interesting you should mention that in the Bell which being 162 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,000 a polter guys, because I'm a bit of researcher at the moment. On 163 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,759 our most famous pod geist case, the Enfield Haunting in Enfield, obviously in 164 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:33,399 the nineteen seventies, there's been a on. It's like a docu drama's been 165 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,159 on recently which covers the events of the Anfield polter guyst in which I've actually 166 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,919 got the original audio recordings and they've used actors to lip sync the audio recording, 167 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,440 so you're seeing like live action if you like, or with real actors, 168 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,440 but they actually it's actually using the voices of the people talking. And 169 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,080 the similar kind of thing with the whole you know, what is the polter 170 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:54,639 geist? Is it in disembodied spirities? It's some other kind of manifestation. 171 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:58,039 And of course I don't know how well you know the case of the Anfiel 172 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,120 polter geist. But the poly guist itself a name of someone who did actually 173 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,200 genuinely live in the house at one point in the past, so that was 174 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,080 in a single identity. But that you know, that kind of thing is 175 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,000 not a polydigleis, so it's more of a haunting. But it's just fascinating 176 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,320 these things will come up at the same time almost of talking about them. 177 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,399 Yeah, And along with the trickster element, she also had a knack for 178 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,679 doing the mimicry of different voices. So she would come through and you would 179 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:31,159 have Kate or the spirit speaking, but then and then the witch family of 180 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,039 course when they came about, they all had distinct voices. But she also 181 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,320 had the ability to mimic voices of people that were either in the room with 182 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,879 her or sometimes. There was a story about a man that had come from 183 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:48,039 overseas to investigate because somehow this had reached overseas news. He came over to 184 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:54,440 investigate and while he was there he heard the voice of his mother talking to 185 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:58,480 him or calling out for him. And what had happened, which she learns 186 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,879 later when he returns home, is that his mother had also heard him because 187 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,679 the witch had gone over and mimicked his voice as well. But he she 188 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:15,519 it whatever could also cite sermons that had been given word for word in the 189 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:20,960 voice of the preachers that had given them. So yeah, she was. 190 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:24,080 She was a trickster for sure. Could they determine where the woices were coming 191 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,919 from? Was it like from just the air or for the walls, or 192 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,720 from other people in the room. I believe that it sounded like it was 193 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,120 just coming. I don't know if it's from the walls, so to speak, 194 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,559 or just the air. But there were people that tried to blame the 195 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:46,759 children and say that they were ventriloquists that could do the job of throwing the 196 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:48,879 voices. You know, it's always going to blame the kids, right, 197 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,480 yeah, Well I didn't realize the parallels between that and the infield haunting, 198 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,120 very simil kind of things going on. The famous voice there initially appeared to 199 00:15:56,159 --> 00:16:00,840 becoming according to Morris Gross, the main investigators was coming from thin airs, 200 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,399 is coming out of the air literally or the building. And then so I 201 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,240 come out one of the children, which again they as you say, now, 202 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:08,879 people claimed there was mimicry of his ventualrism that they were just putting the 203 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,080 voices on and faking it. But I mean, I don't know myself. 204 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,240 I don't really have a beIN on the voices. I'll find them a bit 205 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,080 strange and they could well have been faked. But the physical act movement and 206 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:21,919 objects being moved, et cetera that happened in the end for the haunting, 207 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,080 I find it really fascinating. But that's a lot of parallels. There was, 208 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,120 I don't know the bell which case that well to go to you, 209 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:30,519 so I should look into it more. Yeah, well it's a it's a 210 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:33,799 good documentary. I haven't haven't watched it for a long time. This sounds 211 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:38,240 a little bit like you guys are familiar with Jeff the Talking Mongoose. Oh 212 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:45,279 god, Yes, that was another that was more of a poltergeist case as 213 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,080 well. Don't you think it's a very strange one. I must admit, 214 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,759 I think Harry Price kind of got something that something that wasn't what would it 215 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:55,159 appeared to it? I think I'm not convinced at all by it. But 216 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:59,759 and then some people do find it fascinating. Yeah. Tim Schwartz for the 217 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:07,640 pretty good book on that now, Heather, you were recently doing some work 218 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,359 for small town Monsters. Yes, yes, Is it something you can talk 219 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:18,319 about or is it under double secret probation? Well, we released some behind 220 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,039 the scenes photos which would kind of give away I think a little bit of 221 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,599 what we were doing. We were in We were in Land between the Lakes, 222 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:33,839 which is famous for its dog man activity, and some of the people 223 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,240 that we work with are very well known for their their investigation into the dog 224 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:45,920 man phenomena. So yeah, we were looking for dog man okay, so 225 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:49,200 to speak, or at least talking to the people that have dedicated parts of 226 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:56,279 their lives looking for dog man. And also bigfoot activity falls into that as 227 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,559 well as far as things that we were looking into. But yeah, we 228 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:06,400 were between the Lakes and it's a beautiful but eerie place. We did not 229 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:10,839 run into any dogmen, thankfully, I would never want to run into such 230 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,759 thing. So I did not feel like we were slighted at all in that. 231 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,880 Were you involved at all in the Brave Road Beast documentary. No, 232 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:26,640 I wasn't a part of STM yet. Okay. That's Lee Hample, Lee 233 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,880 Hample's Farm and Elkhorn right down near Bray Road. I've had I spoke at 234 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:38,759 the Beast Bray Road conference a couple of times, and Lee has everybody over 235 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,839 to his barn that wants to come over, and for two hours he shows 236 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:48,480 you these amazing photographs. And I know you've you've seen the documentary, so 237 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:52,559 you know what I'm talking about. But and Andy, I think we've talked 238 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,599 about this before. You see the dog man footprints in the snow. They 239 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:02,960 start in the middle of nowhere, split off in two as if he was 240 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,279 carrying his buddy on his back, and then let him down, and then 241 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:12,960 they both disappear. Five toed footprints. There's some kind of technology or something 242 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:18,599 flying around. You see things that look like drones and just some really bizarre 243 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,200 objects. He has thousands of photographs over the last ten years, and he 244 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:29,119 even has has all kinds of cameras set up where he once in a while 245 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,799 he'll get like a glimpse or part of one of these things. But what 246 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,240 he was doing is he has had several roadkilled deer near his property. He 247 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:40,200 would drag it on the property, leave it, aim a camera on it. 248 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:44,079 You can see the timestamp. The mist would show up after a while, 249 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,400 and then the mist is gone, and then the carcass is gone with 250 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:52,119 no drag marks and no footprints. This has happened about a dozen times, 251 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:59,319 so I'll be curious once this new production is done. I'm wondering if there'll 252 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,240 be any peril to some of these other spots, Like Lee Hample. I 253 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,799 don't expect you to answer that, Heather. I'm sure that's under double secret 254 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,920 probation. Yes, yes, that kind of thing is for sure very good. 255 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,960 Oh, your podcast The Lord, you know, what kind of things 256 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,400 do you do on that? What kind of people do you interview? And 257 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:27,680 your subject you talk about? So that the basic premise of that podcast is 258 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:34,119 to talk about people who make an effort to collect and preserve stories. So 259 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:41,880 I talked to storytellers and folkloris about the importance of keeping these stories alive, 260 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,920 retelling them, preserving them, just keeping them for the next generations to come. 261 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:53,960 So I recently spoke with Michael David Strayer, who's been doing a great 262 00:20:55,079 --> 00:21:02,039 job of preserving stories. He just put out a Gray Barkine. Oh, 263 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,640 yes, he sent me a copy. Yes, yes, he's been doing 264 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,559 a great job in the White, the White Creatures of New York, just 265 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,599 preserving stories like that that kind of that kind of thing really gets my interests, 266 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,359 and so I talk to people who who have similar interests like that and 267 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,759 are putting in the work to keep things going for everybody else. Yeah, 268 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,640 that was a great publication. He put together Andy with some classic Gray Barker 269 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:37,519 stuff. And the title of the magazine is the same title that Barker used 270 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,000 for a poem he wrote. And it's going to be a little I'm going 271 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:44,920 to go just go ahead and say it. The title is UFO is a 272 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,799 Bucket of Shit, And I will not recite the poem. However, it 273 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:56,279 even heather, it even has the Vegetable Man story in it. And I 274 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,839 got to tell you a little story here. Back at nineteen seventy six, 275 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,799 I went to the Newfound Symposium in ann Arbor, Michigan, ten years after 276 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,440 the swamp Gass fiasco. Doctor j Ellen Heinek was there. He had become 277 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:11,839 one of the good guys and had started the Center for UFO Studies. But 278 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:15,079 Gray Barker was there, not speaking. Of course, they would never let 279 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,880 him speak. But here this guy just you know, he must have been 280 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,440 six and a half feet tall. His hair was kind of longish. I'd 281 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,720 only seen him with shorter hair in his photographs, really thick glasses, and 282 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,079 in his arm was his latest publication with a picture of vegetable man on the 283 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,640 cover. So that was very cool and I kind of cornered them and I 284 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,200 asked him a bunch of questions. I thought, this is going to be 285 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,000 my only chance to talk to Grey Parker, and so since then I've been 286 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,119 to the Gray Marker Archives a couple of times, which are right here in 287 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,400 West Virginia. So, yeah, that's very cool. And what are some 288 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,680 of the other guests you had on? Well, I've had Lesso dell On, 289 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:03,799 He's a great storyteller. I have had on various people from STM that 290 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,279 have been willing to talk, because, oddly enough, not everybody at STM 291 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,200 is willing to be interviewed. Despite what we do, not everybody likes to 292 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:18,720 be on camera. I interviewed Andrew Smith from the Flatwood Monster Museum. Oh 293 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:25,599 yeah, I just saw him the other day. Yeah. And beyond that, 294 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,400 my mind now is drawing a blank because you asked me. Oh, 295 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,680 that's quite right. Listen, I have almost every show when I'm on, 296 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,480 I'll have I'll get this great question for him to my mind, and then 297 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,440 just before I can ask it, it just kind of evaporates, and I 298 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:45,720 have to tell I have to admit, gee, I can't remember what I 299 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:49,920 was going to say. Yeah, I've had Well. Also, we had 300 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720 the first season of The Lord you Know well over a year ago. We 301 00:23:53,799 --> 00:24:00,720 had a handful of episodes, and then we took a break. We lost 302 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,319 our producer for podcasts, and so we took a break from all podcasts for 303 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,839 well over a year, and we just now started The Lord you Know back 304 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,400 up again. So I'm just getting back into the swing of things. Good 305 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,839 deal, And you know, I had another question. I think I just 306 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,359 forgot. Just take take a breath, take a break. Oh yes, 307 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:26,119 the uh now the what the what are the the the feminine macabre books that 308 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,079 you've contributed to? What I'm not I've not seen one? So what what 309 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,039 will I experience if I were to open one? Oh my goodness, you 310 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,000 haven't seen one? Well, well, well I saw it on Amazon. 311 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:42,160 I did look at the covers, so that yes, yeah, yeah. 312 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,359 So the idea behind a Feminine Macob was to create a journal that showcases female 313 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:56,119 voices from the paranormal and cryptid community. Even though it's more heavily paranormal than 314 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,359 Crypted is for right now. So that that was kind of the goal because 315 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:07,039 a lot of times in the mainstream media there's more male dominated conversations. So 316 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,079 the whole point was to get a journal out there that is all female or 317 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,759 female identifying authors. So that's what it is. You're going to find a 318 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:22,240 range of all kinds of weird stuff the the it's an open, open call. 319 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:27,200 And basically what Amanda Woomer, who is the person who curated the entire 320 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:32,240 thing, what she says is if it would make your family uncomfortable at Thanksgiving 321 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:36,519 in the weird, then that's what I want you to write about. So 322 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,000 you have tarot spreads, you have ghost stories, you have cryptid stories, 323 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:48,079 past life experiences, all just the whole gamut of things and dabbling in the 324 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,000 accult and so on, and it's just quite a quite a spread of things 325 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:59,079 in each journal. Are they partly fiction or is it all it is not 326 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:03,039 to be fiction. Yeah, no, it's supposed to be true true stories 327 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:10,839 or like with the Taro there's been examples of people just giving Tarot spreads to 328 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,119 try, but no, it is not fiction. It is nonfiction. A 329 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:22,759 non fiction journal so have you written about some of maybe your personal experiences and 330 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,880 these books. So in the first journal, the first Feminine macab what my 331 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,799 contribution is is about the letters that accompanyed cursed objects, specifically the rocks from 332 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:37,759 the Beltwitch Cave. So that was the first journal. The third one I 333 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:47,279 wrote about headless ghosts and specifically how to or how I found the like the 334 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,920 name of some of these people that were headless ghosts. There was one case 335 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,200 in particular where when you look through old newspaper archives, there's a headless ghost 336 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,799 that appears, but the community has somewhat of an eye idea of who that 337 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,400 ghost may be based on the time that the ghost appeared and a tragic accident 338 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:11,480 that had occurred just shortly before the ghost had started to appear. So the 339 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,599 whole point of what I was wanting to do was to give this person their 340 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:21,319 story back as a person and not just this headless specter. So I started 341 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,480 to do some genealogical research. I contacted some of the descendants of this person 342 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:29,160 that had passed away to find out more behind who they were, who the 343 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,319 family is, and that was what the story is in volume three. In 344 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,680 volume five, I wrote about goat Man because there hadn't been much cryptid content, 345 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,680 and goat Man keeps showing up in my life somehow. Even whenever I 346 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:52,000 was in classical studies, the god pan kept showing up in myth and of 347 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,839 course there's no way to get around him when you're in classical studies, but 348 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,440 just kept showing up in different things that I would research. And so from 349 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:04,839 going from one world to another, goat Man is here still. And now 350 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,559 we're getting ready to do a documentary on goat Man next year. So it 351 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:15,279 was just an acknowledgment of and I have come to not I'm trying to embrace 352 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,680 the term again, but I've come to dislike the term synchronicities because people use 353 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:26,160 it so much. But the synchronicities behind Goatman showing up in my life over 354 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:34,359 the past several years. What is there a particular area or region where these 355 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:41,519 most of these reports come from? Which reports for Goatman? Oh no, 356 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,640 he's all over the place. There's Maryland, of course, there's Texas, 357 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,319 there's Kentucky. You have the public Monster. But I've been talking with someone 358 00:28:52,400 --> 00:29:00,480 recently who's had sightings for decades and as completely different part of Kentucky in Tennessee. 359 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,480 It seems to me that because it's one of those things that whenever we 360 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,480 start looking into something for STM, I will look at whatever I'm supposed to 361 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:17,079 look for, whether that's dog man stories or Bigfoot stories or UFO stories. 362 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,920 But then while I'm there, I kind of look in the periphery to see 363 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:25,400 one other monsters are in this area, and goat Man is one of those 364 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:32,359 that he's around a lot of places. You're almost guaranteed to find him. 365 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,519 I would say, just about anywhere if you look hard enough. There are 366 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:40,640 stories about goat Man. So and I wonder sometimes if that doesn't tie into 367 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,240 an the urban legend, part of like the Lover's Lane urban legend, the 368 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,440 boyfriend things like that that help keep that story alive. And goat Man has 369 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:56,039 kind of taken on that that place as a placeholder. But yeah, he's 370 00:29:56,079 --> 00:30:03,400 all over the place. Do my station identification? You are listening to The 371 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,079 High Strangest Factor copyrighted on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Today, Andy and 372 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,880 I are talking to Heather Moser, producer and researcher for the documentary film company 373 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:18,920 Small Town Monsters. And I know you must have given some thought to some 374 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,640 of these things, like where did they come from, why are they here? 375 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:26,759 How do they exist or manifest? Are there any authors or researchers that 376 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:33,759 you tend to gravitate toward that maybe have put some of this together or might 377 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:41,920 possibly have some of the answers to these things? Oh boy? So primarily 378 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,599 what I do for small town monsters is heavily looking well, one of the 379 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,319 main focuses is looking into witnesses themselves. And what I'm finding is not only 380 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,799 are there researchers out there that have, of course their own views, and 381 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,200 that runs the gamut from these you know, certain creatures are physical and there's 382 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:12,680 nothing supernatural about them, to their interdimensional creatures altogether, and then there's the 383 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:18,000 mix that's in between, which is kind of where I'm falling into things. 384 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,359 But what I've noticed is when you talk to witnesses, there is a whole 385 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:29,079 narrative that gets brought up anyway, regardless of what the researchers have said the 386 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,640 witnesses. When you start to look at patterns and what people have seen, 387 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:38,680 there are specific things that are kind of, I don't want to say undeniable, 388 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:45,519 because scientists could deny things all they wanted, or skeptists could deny things 389 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,680 all they wanted, but there are certain patterns that emerge that are kind of 390 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,480 hard to ignore across witnesses that have not known one another or we're not aware 391 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,920 of each other. And that's kind of where I that's where I tend to 392 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:04,000 put some of my thoughts behind, are what the witnesses themselves have said, 393 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,200 and then the researchers can kind of refine maybe why that's happening. But it 394 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:19,680 sounds a little bit like John Keel who he found that when he talked to 395 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160 an experiencer whether they had seen a strange light in the sky or some kind 396 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,519 of a creature, if he asked enough questions, he found that all throughout 397 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:34,880 their life they have experienced strange phenomena, everything from poltergeist to strange phone calls 398 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,880 to you both seeing cryptids and UFOs at different times. Is that kind of 399 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:45,599 what you're talking about, where some of these people have had many experiences over 400 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,640 a period of time. That's definitely been something that I've seen. Now, 401 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,920 there are people I want to say, of course, working with small town 402 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,599 monsters, a lot of the people that I've talked to have been bigfoot experiencers. 403 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,680 So there have been a handful of people that have had a Bigfoot sighting 404 00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,000 that have had nothing else odd in their life, or at least nothing that 405 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:15,079 they have acknowledged is odd. But then there are the people that absolutely have 406 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,519 noticed that, yes, there's there's odd things happening, more like supernatural things 407 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,720 that have happened in their lives. They've seen the odd lights, they've had 408 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:30,559 sometimes more like poltergeist activity happening in their homes since they were young, and 409 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,400 then bigfoot is just one of the odd things that they've like, It's not 410 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,680 a stretch. I guess I should say there are a few that it's just 411 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,799 bigfoot and nothing else, But a lot of the people that I end up 412 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,759 talking to more in depth, bigfoot is never where it's starts and ends. 413 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,880 There are definitely other things that occur in their life that are odd. And 414 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,680 I don't know why that is. If they're just more more open to these 415 00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,599 things, if they're more sensitive, if there's just something about them that makes 416 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,279 it easier for this stuff to manifest around them, I do not know, 417 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,400 but yeah, it is very similar to that. I'm the kind of guy 418 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:15,519 where virtually nothing happens, so I don't know if there's my aura or maybe 419 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,519 they just don't like me. I don't know. Maybe you want it too 420 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,239 much? Do you want it to happen? Well, you know, I 421 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,280 did have one weird experience, and I won't belabor it, but I was 422 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,679 out in the T and T area one night and I drove back to my 423 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,239 motel across the river, and I opened the door of the motel and the 424 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,119 TV set turned on by itself and started flipping steadily through stations, and I 425 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,639 thought. The first thing I thought was, no, this doesn't happen to 426 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,639 me. This happens to other people. And then I decided to be very 427 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,199 scientific about it, and I wanted to make sure that would turn off if 428 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,800 I unplugged it, and it did, and I went to bed. So 429 00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,679 there you go. There's my big paranormal experience. And actually the TVs and 430 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,280 that part of that uh motel acted up a few years later. I won't 431 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,920 I won't go into that, but UH, something I might. I may 432 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,519 have brought something back with me from the T and T area, but I've 433 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:15,079 always said that he's still there flipping channels. Fortunately, and he never came 434 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:21,920 home with me, so I don't know and I I even uh when when 435 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,800 I walked in the motel and that they did that. I looked at the 436 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,719 clock to try and check if I had any missing time and uh. I 437 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,199 At first I thought, oh, no, everything's fine, And then thinking 438 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,119 back, I think, gee, did I did I lose some time? 439 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,280 So I I did everything wrong. I didn't write anything down. I wasn't 440 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,000 uh. Uh. I may have had a dozen paranormal experiences and I just 441 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,079 wasn't aware of it. So well, but but but but this, but 442 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:49,719 this, that whole area. That's just fascinating to me that people have these 443 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,239 other experiences in these patterns. And again, the people that don't know each 444 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,239 other, they're not comparing notes. Uh. Do you think you'll ever write 445 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,719 about this in one of your books. I would love to write about this. 446 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,760 I would love to be Like I know that I'm an author as far 447 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,400 as that goes, I've written things that have been published, but as far 448 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,599 as having an actual book out there, that's one of my goals in life. 449 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,360 So I would love to write about this stuff. Someday. I tell 450 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,440 people my book will be done by the end of the decade. Which decade, 451 00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,360 Well, you're the person, you're the first person to ask that, 452 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,320 So I'm not going to answer. Well, this kind of you know, 453 00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:39,280 brings us to how did your your initial interest in all this developed? Were 454 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,480 you as a child or as a teenager. Did you have any kind of 455 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:49,639 strange experiences or you just somebody like me that's just fascinated and very curious about 456 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,719 all this stuff. So I've always been curious about this kind of thing. 457 00:36:52,760 --> 00:37:00,440 I think when I was little, the show Unsolved Mysteries was on TV, 458 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,719 and that had my attention. Aside from terrifying me, it was a morbid 459 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,880 curiosity, and so that was something that caught my attention since I was young. 460 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:15,679 But then about I don't know, second grade, ish first or second 461 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,920 grade, my mom started to tell me stories about the farmhouse that she grew 462 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,840 up in and how it was supposedly haunted. She told me a story about 463 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:31,559 one Christmas, my grandmother had gifted them a Ouiji board, and my mom 464 00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:36,880 thought it was great. My one aunt thought it was horrible and evil and 465 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,280 demanded that it be burned, which ultimately it was, But before it was 466 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,400 burned, they had had a session or two on it, and it revealed 467 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,039 that there was a spirit in the house. Named Elizabeth, and my mom 468 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:53,599 swore like she said that it was supposedly in my mom's room, and Mom 469 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:59,000 swore that when they went to sell that farmhouse many decades later, they found 470 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:05,000 in some of the records and Elizabeth Lighty that had owned the home or been 471 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,079 one of the owners of the home. So I grew up with that story. 472 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,079 And when I was in third grade, Mom bought me my first Buigi 473 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:16,159 board. So this was something that we had been pretty open about and talked 474 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:20,519 about. Now, when I became an adult and learned how to research, 475 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,679 I looked into this house and found that there was an Elizabeth Lightdy who lived 476 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,679 there and had been on the records. She had been on the deeds, 477 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,360 So Mom was true, like that was a true recollection that Mom had about 478 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,000 that. But anyway, it was just something that's always been there. And 479 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:45,800 then my first time at a location that's famous for being haunted would have been 480 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,039 Mansfield Reformatory, which is the Ohio State Reformatory, or where Shashank Redemption was 481 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,840 filmed. Oh yeah, they I think I believe it was the first year 482 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,119 that they had turned it into a haunted house. During the month of October, 483 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,079 my brother took me. I was about sixteen at the time, and 484 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,599 my brother asked me if I would want to go, and I've said yeah, 485 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,199 And that was the first time that I saw that building and instantly fell 486 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,239 in love with it. It's gorgeous piece of architecture. I was terrified. 487 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,639 They did a great job with the Haunted house. But that was the beginning 488 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:29,119 of this idea of oh, you could maybe go to these places that are 489 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:35,360 haunted and go in the buildings themselves. That's pretty cool. Yeah. So 490 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480 it's just always been there, but you've never seen anything like a UFO or 491 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:44,320 a cryptid. I have not seen a UFO now. I haven't seen a 492 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:52,480 cryptid either. But Seth was over here filming what is It's on YouTube under 493 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:57,039 the Bigfoot Project. He was over here at the farm that I live on 494 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,119 right now filming the Bigfoot Project because of act that we were having here at 495 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:04,119 the house well, I don't want to say at the house itself, but 496 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,679 in the woods. This is like a three hundred acre farm. We were 497 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,719 having activity here that piqued Seth's interest. He came over and we had like 498 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,840 the very first episode of the Bigfoot Project on YouTube. You can watch it 499 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,960 and you get a glimpse of how intense the activity was at times. And 500 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:30,400 I know that while Seth and I were out at night, there were things 501 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:37,000 running around us. There were things throwing rocks at us. We heard the 502 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,559 whistles and the howls and so on. And the next day Seth saw a 503 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:49,519 bigfoot running on the property, but at this clear cut area between two sections 504 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:54,400 of woods. I was not with him at the time, unfortunately, but 505 00:40:54,639 --> 00:41:01,000 he saw one running and will tell you that story himself. But I never 506 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,639 saw anything, but I've heard them. I felt them around like there was 507 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,280 something. I didn't see it, So I don't know if it was a 508 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:14,000 bigfoot, but I don't know what else it would have been. It was 509 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:22,000 still enough to make me uncomfortable at times. So that's that's my cryptid story. 510 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,960 Very cool. Well, you know, I brave television sets to turn 511 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,000 on by themselves and go through channels, so I've been very well tested. 512 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,519 Linda Siegmundt has just published a book called In the Pale Moonlight. She was 513 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:43,800 a head on my show recently. She saw essentially the Mothman in April of 514 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,440 sixty seven, when she was about sixteen, about twelve miles north of point 515 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:54,000 pleasant with her boyfriend, and they also saw a strange light orb or whatever. 516 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:59,079 They had missing time. The whole thing. Well, now she lives 517 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:05,800 in the Parkersburg area, in a in a rural area, and they have 518 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,159 much the same kind of activity. It's just you know, they're they're hearing 519 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,280 things walking around, throwing rocks and so forth, even pounding on the side 520 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,119 of the house sometimes, but they don't just don't show themselves. I remember 521 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,400 Ron Morehead, who of course captured the Serra sounds out in the Cinera Nevadas. 522 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,239 There was a time when they were in their little uh whatever you want 523 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000 to call it, lean to or bungalow that they created, and there was 524 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:37,719 all kinds of racket going on out there, like things being thrown and everything, 525 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,239 and they thought it was just going to be absolute chaos with with the 526 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,280 branches and rocks all over the place, and the next morning nothing was out 527 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:52,000 of place. It's almost like it was a just just noise, you know, 528 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,360 it's something, And that's kind of what happened to Linda too. Uh, 529 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:00,199 But you guys had actually had rocks thrown at you. Yeah, we 530 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,760 had a rock thrown at us that hit the ground near us enough that we 531 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,920 could feel it, and so I don't know, I didn't see what rock 532 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,800 it was because it bounced, but yeah, we felt it hit the ground 533 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,119 near us. It wasn't that night, but a few weeks later he had 534 00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:23,000 Mark Matski out and a rock flew by Mark's head while they were sitting around 535 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:29,960 the campfire, which I would like to think was just, you know, 536 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,840 just a warning, like a hello, because I would think that if they 537 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,880 wanted to hit him, they would have, but you know, just a 538 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,480 warning like hey, we're here. But yeah, it was the times that 539 00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:46,360 we had any interaction, it was almost like it wasn't like we saw a 540 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,519 bunch of stuff disorganized the next day either, it was more so that they 541 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:54,960 were It was almost like a gang, like they were playing with us or 542 00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:00,239 something. The night before it seemed like it was more entertaining for them than 543 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:06,239 it was for us. Have you ever seen anything some people call it the 544 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,400 uh, the shimmer or the quicksilver curtain. Uh. People in Bigfoot areas 545 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,719 have seen this sort of a haze or or whatever. Not a missed exactly. 546 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,000 Uh. Jan mccabee saw something like that near here property in or Lima, 547 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:30,119 Ohio, and she could actually took photographs and actually there was some like 548 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:36,480 hair coming out the side of this. But the there's a Native American tradition 549 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,599 in the valley of the Skukum by Sally Shepherd Wolford. They would call it 550 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,679 the shimmer. Tom Paul calls it the quicksilver curtain. Have you ever seen 551 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:52,679 any strange atmospheric phenomena like that? I have not seen that. I have 552 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:59,000 seen odd lights in the woods, so we have had like spoof lights around, 553 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,960 but I have see the shimmer. No. So and this is this 554 00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:08,199 is happening on your property? Yeah, well it hasn't been in a while 555 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,159 because they I mean, I'm assuming this is why. But there was a 556 00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:19,880 pipeline that recently came in within the last year and tore down decent swaths of 557 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,719 forest to clear for the pipeline, and a lot of activity had ceased around 558 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,079 them. But it also when we were filming, we noticed there was a 559 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:35,920 natural dip in activity anyway around hunting season when or gun season, I should 560 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,239 say, yeah, when gun season started up, the activity had dropped down 561 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:45,599 significantly. But then the next summer is when they had started looking digging for 562 00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:50,320 the pipeline, and we really haven't had a lot of activity since then. 563 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:55,039 So how's it feel. It's almost like you've got a virtual laboratory there to 564 00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,360 experiment to the paranormal. And so is that kind of cool or is it 565 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:06,039 creepy? It's cool? What had started the whole I mean, not started 566 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,079 the whole thing, but part of the beginning of even having steth out here 567 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,760 with various things that would happen on the property. One of them included when 568 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,000 we first moved here, because this had all occurred shortly after we moved here. 569 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,400 We first moved here, we have all of these woods, and it 570 00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:24,880 came across like it just came into my mind that it would be cool to 571 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,000 hide things around the woods for my kids to find someday, like a treasure 572 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:36,760 hunt. So I had taken different rocks and crystals because I collect them, 573 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,840 I have since I was young, and hid them around the woods. And 574 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,280 one day it was this was after some odd things had happened. I went 575 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:51,480 to go check locations just to see if anything had been moved. It just 576 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,320 I didn't know why. I just thought, well, maybe something has been 577 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,760 disturbed. And one of the crystals that I had put out was gone, 578 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:05,599 but in its place was a deer vertebrae, and that was exciting. I 579 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,400 immediately picked it up and called Seth and Seth said, you didn't pick it 580 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,360 up, did you? You didn't touch it, and I said I did. 581 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,280 He's like, well, if there was anything on it now now that's 582 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,199 probably ruined. And I'm like, well, I don't care if they're gonna 583 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,840 do this, but you know, they'll bring me another one someday, maybe, 584 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,000 you know whatever. And no, there hasn't been another one. But 585 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,760 that crystal did come back about a month later in the same place. It 586 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,800 was just much dirtier. It was like covered in mud and put back. 587 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,519 But I don't know that that kind of stuff was fun to test. I 588 00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:43,960 still put crystals out. I actually had put things out. It was a 589 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,760 few weeks ago. Now I haven't gone back into to check since then, 590 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,159 so I don't know. If maybe they're slowly moving in. The pipeline is 591 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,079 done and grass is starting to grow over the dirt that had been disturbed, 592 00:47:55,199 --> 00:48:00,960 so maybe they'll slowly inch their way in. But gun seasons also going to 593 00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:05,400 start in about two and a half three weeks, so if they're around, 594 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,079 I don't know how much they'll be around. Lee Hample has a I mean, 595 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,000 I forget how many acres he's got, but he does. He has 596 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,880 this all this stuff going on all the time. He's had missing time a 597 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,679 couple of times himself. It's funny to hear him tell the story because when 598 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:30,559 he first he retired, he's a mathematician and degrees in chemistry, and you 599 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,840 know, there's no nonsense guy that wouldn't He said that if he had read 600 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,400 Linda Godfrey's books, you know, earlier, he would have thrown him in 601 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,679 the trash because he just wouldn't buy it. But he was. He's he's 602 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:49,119 working out there. He's a hay farmer, and he some of his neighbors 603 00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,519 said, hey, you know there's a there's a werewolf that lives in those 604 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,079 woods back there, and he's looking at him like, what are you crazy? 605 00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,960 And then some of his other neighbors that had actually seen this thing credible 606 00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,840 people started telling about it. And then he saw it one night and that 607 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,760 same night, it was later on he realized he was missing about an hour 608 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,800 in time. So this is it's one of these areas that fascinate me. 609 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,400 I don't know if I'd want to live there or not. I know the 610 00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:21,519 the Bucks County guys, the Bucks County paranormal guys were out there and had 611 00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:27,320 a night vigil and they've got a YouTube video and they saw a UFO streak 612 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,239 across the sky. They heard howls. You can hear the howels going back 613 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,880 and forth in this in this video, and I'm not an expert on howels, 614 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,880 but they were creepy. They were also seeing eyeshine about six feet off 615 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,840 the ground. Dominic, who is the sensitive I asked him, well, 616 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,800 what were you feeling out there? And he said, I felt like I 617 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,239 was underwater in a shark tank and I was holding the bait. So they 618 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,519 were really and also a myst was starting to form. And these mysts they 619 00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:00,079 get captured on camera. Sometimes there's one where Lee Apple was surrounded by this 620 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,719 myst in broad daylight, but he didn't see it, but it was captured 621 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,719 on film and so it could have been natural atmospheric conditions. But they they 622 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,039 normally don't get spooked their team, but they decided it was time to leave, 623 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:20,320 so I and uh I don't know if I uh I would have left 624 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,960 as well. But again again you know, UH TV sets to turn on 625 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,639 are probably one of the scariest things you're ever going to encounter. So, 626 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:36,760 yes, how about now you were you were involved with the Mothman Legacy, 627 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:44,559 the Belwitch documentary and what else. So as far as the documentaries that I've 628 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:50,840 like actually been in, I have been in Mothman Legacy, the Mark of 629 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:58,039 the Bell Witch, UFOs on the Trail of UFO's Dark Sky. I think 630 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,360 that may be it of ones that I have been in. But as far 631 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,400 as ones that I've had a hand in assisting with research or just outright doing 632 00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:10,119 the research that started with Momo and everything since then, as far as the 633 00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:19,440 films go, which heavily heavily involved in Ruguru uh Skinwalker how Ruburu? That 634 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:22,079 one I actually got writing credit on as well. So a good deal. 635 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:28,360 Yeah, So can you kind of maybe just take us behind the scenes a 636 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,760 little bit what it's like to be involved in one of these projects when when 637 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,760 you're you know, you're you're actually there at the site and how those things, 638 00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:38,760 I mean, there must be a lot of uh, sort of shooting 639 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,880 from the hip and and creativity. I mean, you can't plan everything out, 640 00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:45,960 but can you just kind of give us a little bit of an idea 641 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,280 how that runs well. So, for example, on days that were like 642 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,280 when we're actually to the point, which a lot of a lot of steps 643 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,199 have to be taken to get to the place where we're actually there Filming's say 644 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:05,519 we've gotten to the point that we're filming, we have a schedule of witnesses 645 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,039 or interviews, or just a schedule that lays out like, Okay, from 646 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:15,280 eight to noon, we're going to shoot b roll and then at one pm 647 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,679 we're interviewing someone for an hour, and then at two pm we're interviewing someone. 648 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,440 And that schedule's fine and it helps it keeps us on track, but 649 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:28,360 every once in a while, like you said, it does have to be 650 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:34,280 fluid because you might have a back out. We've had instances where when we 651 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,400 were filming in New Mexico, the weather was not kind in the early stages 652 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:43,360 of filming, so we lost two interviews immediately just because they simply couldn't get 653 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,400 to us due to the weather. So then we have to rearrange the schedule 654 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,000 in hopes that we can get them back into the schedule and not lose them 655 00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:58,239 entirely from the film. So it is a lot of needing to be flexible 656 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,440 depending on the you, it depends on how many people we have there. 657 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:07,079 When we were in LBL, we were fortunate enough that we had a pretty 658 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:12,920 large group with us, pretty like all of us unless yeah, like all 659 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,719 of us except our COO were there with us, so we had a lot 660 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,400 of hands on deck to help when things started to go sideways or if they 661 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,360 started to go sideways. But that also meant that there were a lot of 662 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:31,639 people that we had things going without interfering with one another, because like we 663 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,039 had Alexander Ptakov with us, and we had Eli Watson with us, and 664 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:42,159 that was helpful for certain things, but also they were doing their own filming 665 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,320 while we were there, so we had to make sure that our stuff didn't 666 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,360 overlap, or if it did overlap, that it wasn't interfering with each other. 667 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,880 Right, So, and then somewhere in there, you try to work 668 00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:00,079 in at least one meal a day, so it's usually you wake up in 669 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:07,159 the morning and everybody's getting coffee and we might have donuts, or Stephan might 670 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,199 order some sort of breakfast for us that gets gets delivered to the house, 671 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,440 like McDonald's breakfast or something, and then it really is go, go, 672 00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:19,360 go up until who knows what time in the evening usually because we have a 673 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:25,239 very short window to get these things filmed. With LBL, it was just 674 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,159 a little over forty eight hours to get everything filmed that we needed, and 675 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:35,800 so it was literally wake up, start filming, and we're filming all day 676 00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:42,599 until until it's dark and even after dark, and then we get to eat. 677 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,159 I'm gonna have to prevail up on seth to hire a caterer. Yeah, 678 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,719 well that would be that would be tough because who knows where we are 679 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,840 around lunchtime? You know. That's why we always get snacks and we keep 680 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:07,039 maas with us and water, lots of water. Are there any any books 681 00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:13,280 or authors that you recommend or you gravitate toward. I mean, I have 682 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:19,960 a whole list of favorites, but so my one of my favorites to go 683 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,480 to is Ruth and music that goes into the folklore folk tales type thing. 684 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:30,880 But really what I do is I look at any authors right now because of 685 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:37,320 the documentary aspect of things, I try to find modern authors in whatever area 686 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:43,440 that we are researching, so that because if you can talk to the author, 687 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:50,440 that's even better than just citing them. Right. So when we were 688 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,559 example, when we were in Texas, it seemed amiss to not talk directly 689 00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:59,239 to Lyle Blackburn if we could get him, or Ken Gearhart or Nick Redfern, 690 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,800 because they're all there, right, So those are my authors for that. 691 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,480 They're the ones that I would cite more because when you look at their 692 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:14,480 work, then you can formulate the questions that will help frame the story altogether. 693 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:22,320 So a a lot of my research it is dictated by what we're doing 694 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,280 and where we're going, because I try to get regional authors involved as much 695 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:34,000 as possible. This has got to be a fun job. It is. 696 00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,880 It is a lot of fun. It can be very stressful at times. 697 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:44,280 I'm always extremely stressed the week leading up to a shoot, especially because I'm 698 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,280 trying to make sure that all the pieces are falling in line for this schedule 699 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,320 that we put out there, and then once we're there on the shoot, 700 00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:59,239 it's like switch flips where Okay, this has to get down and it's going 701 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,679 to get done no matter what, and it's just I have to figure out 702 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:05,679 how this works. So if somebody backs out, like we did have somebody 703 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,840 back out on us at LBL, you know, it is what it is. 704 00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:14,079 We have to make it, okay, we have to make it work. 705 00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:15,719 There's nothing we can do about it if somebody backs out. So how 706 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,360 are we going to fix this? And I don't have time to panic while 707 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,960 on a shoot. I panic before a shoot, and then I'm focused while 708 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,920 on a shoot, and then as soon as we get home, then I 709 00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:36,079 sleep for a couple of days. Very good, Andy, Any any other 710 00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:38,559 questions you want to pursue? Really, you know, it's the part fact 711 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:45,639 is what I'm listening to. Bowens carry on. Well, Heather, uh 712 00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:50,039 is there anything else you would like to say before we get a part. 713 00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:54,039 I do not have anything that I can think of. Now, you don't 714 00:57:54,079 --> 00:58:00,360 have any any gems of wisdom to carry us off into the night. Gem's 715 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,159 a wisdom? Now, No, I don't, No, I got nothing 716 00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,559 for you. Okay. Well, honestly, it's been a real pleasure having 717 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,840 you on the show. I've had a great time. Thanks for having me 718 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:20,280 and Andy. It's nice to be back at it. And uh uh back 719 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,719 on the again. Well, I've watched enough British murder mysteries now that I 720 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,199 think I've recovered, and uh uh, you know, we'll try and get 721 00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:31,119 back on a regular schedule. Yeah. Absolutely, well again, Heather, 722 00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,719 thanks so much and uh Andy. Occasionally Heather and I get to cross paths 723 00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:39,400 at various venues, so I'm looking forward to seeing you again in the near 724 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:45,679 future. Yes, yes, absolutely all right, I will do my clothes 725 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:50,320 out. Oh, by the way, before we go, what uh how 726 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,480 can people contact you? What are your uh? Your contact information? So 727 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,880 if you would like to email me, you can email me Heather at small 728 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,800 Town Monsters dot com. If you want to follow me on social media, 729 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,719 I am on Facebook, but I am on Instagram more. My handle on 730 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:12,079 Instagram is at Pagan Historian, so follow me on there. Very good. 731 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,480 The High Strangeness Factor was created by Steve Hord and Andy Mercer and is copyrighted 732 00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:22,280 on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I want to thank our fearless leaders, 733 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,800 Irene Alan Block, Mark Johnson and Andy Mercer here at the network again, 734 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,519 Andy, who are producing the show and composing the closing theme, and Brian 735 00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:37,239 Zeller for the opening theme. 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