WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.560 --> 00:00:07.599 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jaken Zalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:14.320 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services. Make sure your most prized possessions Katz 3 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:20.199 R two Son and i Heeart Radio Station. Hey, good afternoon, everybody. 4 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:23.039 Welcome to I on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm 5 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:29.679 Steve. He's jagn Zalees. He's an older jagn Zalis today today only you 6 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:33.399 know how that got put to me today Nobody said you're a year away from 7 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:40.039 medicaid. Someone you didn't punch. It's my brother. Oh, always a 8 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:45.600 nice guy who's already on Yeah, he's been on it five years now. 9 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:50.880 People, I know, I know somebody somebody said it's just numbers, and 10 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.320 I'm says, you know, at this point, it's not just numbers. 11 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:55.920 No, you feel the numbers. He's starting to feel the numbers. I 12 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.439 feel the numbers. It sucks, thank you. Um um. It was 13 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.560 something I was gonna say, oh sixty four, if someone someone said sent 14 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.200 me a note today, how you're asking, how are you doing? I 15 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:10.719 said, I guess he's fine. He says, well, another year of 16 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.760 no Rose Bowl and maybe no Rose Bowl at all. Ever, ever ever, 17 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:17.959 we'll talk about all that. Well, you know, they got to 18 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:19.239 get to the playoff at this point to get into the Rose Bowl, so 19 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.319 we'll see. Well, you can always dream. That's a lot of big 20 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.640 twelve talk today. Obviously, Hey, what was last time you worked an 21 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.560 eight hour job? This is crazy. I got up, like I had 22 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:30.879 to get up at seven o'clock. I had to take a shower and had 23 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:36.159 to be on campus by you know, quarter to nine. I haven't gone 24 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.840 home yet. I had enough time to choke down a subway sandwich and then 25 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.480 I'm here in the studio. It's been a crazy said this would be easy, 26 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.359 but so christ is maybe the one of the first eight hour jobs we've 27 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:51.040 had. We had the press commerce with the Hike and doctor Robbins at nine, 28 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:53.599 like you said to put till about ten o'clock. Then we came. 29 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.640 You did your your stuff here. I wrote my story for the website, 30 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.319 you did your clips here. We have Tommy Lloyd at one. I raced 31 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:05.959 to see them practice just to briefly you came in again. Uh, and 32 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.960 now we're here. Yeah, man, So it's uh, well, you 33 00:02:07.960 --> 00:02:12.280 know, all the all the official announcements came, you know, as our 34 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.120 as as uh at the end of our show as we were getting out of 35 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:19.560 here on Friday. Um, it's all happened, like uh, everybody thought 36 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.080 it was going to but now it's the reality. We've had a whole weekend 37 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.520 to kind of chew on it a little bit, um and uh, and 38 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:29.159 then we had this press conference this morning. We're gonna have John Wilner today 39 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:30.759 because we you know, we had talked to him a number of times that 40 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.159 when this thing, when this thing falls into place, you know, we 41 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:38.000 want to get you on the show. And John has actually said he thinks 42 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:39.960 he can do half an hour to day, so okay, sofully, well, 43 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:44.560 we'll be able to talk to John about you know, about what happened, 44 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.199 and then you know, kind of a look forward to what's what's next, 45 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:51.479 because that's that's the conversation now, it's what's next for a lot of 46 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.800 people. Uh. Heke and Robins talked a lot about that today. I 47 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.599 guess you'll have a few of a shoe clips into queue right for you. 48 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.000 Yeah, that you had said, let's kind of do a two or three? 49 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.039 Are you here? Yeah, why don't you want to just start the 50 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:06.400 hikey? So Dave Hekey introduced, you know, he started the press conference. 51 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.319 Um, and some of these clips. You know, we had a 52 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:10.960 comments at the beginning, then they went kind of back to the same subject 53 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.639 later. So these are a little bit spliced together. So here are what 54 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:21.599 I thought were introductory comments by both by both Heikey and Robbins at the top 55 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:28.080 of the press conference. It helps effectory on the microphone. Let me start 56 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:35.240 that over. It's certainly been a challenging time, challenging decision, a lot 57 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:42.439 of thoughtful consideration analysis. But UM, while we've appreciated and we certainly have, 58 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.199 I want to say that we've appreciated and valued our partnership with the PAC 59 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:53.639 twelve conference nearly five decades with the conference. Great people, um, great 60 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:58.719 rivalries, great friendships, great colleagues. It was about the future. It 61 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:05.080 was about stability both financially and competitively, and again that was what was at 62 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:12.360 the root of where we're headed to today. We wanted to continue a nationally 63 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:17.800 competitive, nationally recognized, not only university but athletic program, and that's really 64 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:23.759 important. I am very, very excited about this move to the Big twelve. 65 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:30.120 It's gonna be an exciting new direction for us Obviously, I've been a 66 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.560 PAC twelve guy for a long long time, even growing up as an SEC 67 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:40.600 guy watching PAC twelve games, and you know, my hope some way there's 68 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:46.399 a way to keep the conference together. But without a TV deal and just 69 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:49.639 a few schools left, then I think that it's gonna be a problem. 70 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:55.959 But I am very excited about moving to the Big twelve. Yeah. It 71 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.839 was one of those days where we already knew the news. It was more 72 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.560 about explanations. Right we got here, right, Um, I don't think 73 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:05.839 anything surprised you now, you know, And but what I was surprised at 74 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:10.399 how much of the detail we got Okay, right in the final moment, 75 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.160 right yeah, as to how it how it came together, and it was 76 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:16.160 it was pretty crazy. So um, you know, Robins was right right 77 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:19.920 after this, right after the Dave Kicky um a comment was just asked, 78 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.319 you know what, what was the key? And here's what he said. 79 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:30.160 I think the things that I've seen in the press reported are pretty accurate about 80 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.879 the deal uh that Apple provided. I think the keys were, um, 81 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:41.680 the twenty three million dollars a year per school and uh no games on linear 82 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:47.240 access. I think those were the two things that were problematic for UH people 83 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:55.199 when they were evaluating the um long long term sustainability of the contract, and 84 00:05:55.240 --> 00:06:00.000 of course that it was subscription based. So parts of it were very very 85 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.680 compelling and exciting and it was Apple, um and it was you know, 86 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:10.680 in our backyard and UM. But I think the base price, the guaranteed 87 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:15.360 price, the fact that there was no linear and that it was subscription base. 88 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:17.319 None of us, you know, we were trying to think, well, 89 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.439 it's going to be like selling uh, you know, candy bars for 90 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:25.879 a Little League or you know, girl Scout cookies. I don't know, 91 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:30.360 of course Scout cookies or you can say that anymore. But um, you 92 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:33.639 get my point. You got to convince three to five million people every year 93 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:40.040 to sign up for one hundred dollars a year to watch on a streaming only 94 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:44.560 out. I think, I think, you know, if you're asking Oregon 95 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:49.519 and Washington, they came to the conclusion that that may not be the best 96 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:55.040 deal, and when when they had opportunities for other deals, I think, 97 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.399 again not blaming anybody, they made the best decision that they thought was in 98 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.800 the interests of their university. And I will never fault to anybody for doing 99 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.680 that. Jay, Let me ask you this because I saw this in a 100 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:13.920 couple of the news feeds I get. Did you take did you You were 101 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.120 in the room, So was I? And did you think that because of 102 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.439 the girl Scout cookies and the chocolate bars, that he was taking a shot? 103 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.120 No, neither did I. But in those headlines they said that the 104 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:30.160 the UA president takes shot at and I'm thinking you weren't in the room. 105 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.480 You weren't. And the context was more of an analogy, Yeah, which 106 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:38.560 was in a perfect about gleaner. Yeah, yeah, me too. And 107 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:43.160 I'm thinking I saw this headline, I'm thinking that's not right. That it 108 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.839 was not. It wasn't. It wasn't taking a cho He was just basically 109 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.399 saying that you're gonna be able to trying to sell this thing every year, 110 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:54.480 right, which if you grew up playing Little league baseball every year they gave 111 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.279 you a boxing sugar bars, you had to go sell And he's saying it's 112 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.879 not easy and you have to convert people to buy them, right, And 113 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:03.639 it wasn't going to be easy. Um. Then there's just a lot of 114 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.480 kind of little pieces of this, right, the ASU piece, what was 115 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.839 one? Yeah, I wanted. He asked about it. I thought, 116 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:15.160 you, before you do this, I thought your question was was exactly what 117 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.079 kind of not exactly what I wanted, but I thought was a great question, 118 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:22.199 because because whether or not they had confidence that deal was going to get 119 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:26.879 done. And I would have said your question and mine, Whyian the heck 120 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.360 did it take so long? Yeah? Because it took thirteen months? It 121 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.360 did, and we got this is what we got. Okay, well we'll 122 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.919 play that because I did ask him, you know, were you did you 123 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.639 think this was gonna get done? Here's what he said. I was very 124 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:46.159 confident um market forces, changes, the economy, change the media companies we 125 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.480 were just talking about some of them went through some hard times. But all 126 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.600 the while, I was confident that that we would get a deal that we 127 00:08:54.639 --> 00:09:01.759 would all like and it would keep us together. Uh So, I think 128 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:07.960 things didn't really change until right at the end, but it and it took 129 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:13.080 long, longer than I thought. I mean, I'm famously infamously quoted as 130 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.200 saying, well, I think we'll have something by tax day. I didn't 131 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.240 say what year, but anyway, and so it took longer, and I 132 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:26.639 think the longer it took I actually thought the longer it took, the the 133 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:35.279 more that the media companies could turn their temporary bad fortunes around and come back 134 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.879 to the table. The economy would get better. So I thought the longer 135 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.639 we waited, at least more recently, the better that would be. But 136 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:50.799 there there's certainly came a time when we we had to do it because I 137 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.600 kept saying, oh, we got another year, we got into the year. 138 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:58.519 Well now we're inside a year, so I think and all of you, 139 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.320 you know, you were ready to move on and close that chapter of 140 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.960 writing about it and get onto writing about the upcoming season, which we are 141 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:13.159 very excited about. I think this ironically could be one of the greatest seasons 142 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:18.159 in Pact twelve football, at least since I've been around. No, I 143 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.799 agree with him. The funny thing about doctor Robbins, and you know him 144 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.360 better than I do. I've spoken to him just a few times. Um, 145 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.480 he's a smart dude. We all know that. But he's a simple 146 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.519 smart dude. He is he talking him playing the English. He doesn't try 147 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.600 to talk over your head. He doesn't. He's he's comfortable with how smart 148 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.840 he is so that he doesn't have to. Let you know, how smart 149 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.960 he He kind of joked about, you know, going I could go scientific 150 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.200 on you or what did you say about something? Yeah, I could go 151 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.879 nuclear side whatever, but I don't think I will. Yeah, he comes 152 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.039 out even how he speaks, it's more of a good old boy smart. 153 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.039 Well he is kind of a good old boy from the South. It was 154 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.759 a good thing today. We got a clarification how things will worked. There 155 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.039 was a deal possibly on Friday morning. Well I want to play that because 156 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.440 you know there was all this, you know, so much speculation, uh 157 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.039 you know, all over the place about this, and as it turns out, 158 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.879 they came close. They can't close. I mean, you know we've 159 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:18.600 heard people say that it was really close, and I'm like, I how 160 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.039 close was it? Well here's what he had to say about how close it 161 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.440 was. Yeah, I think at the end of the day, Um, 162 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.440 you know, look, we were we were I think we were all expecting 163 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.360 Friday morning, we were showing up together to sign and blood our grand rights 164 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:39.200 over to the to the PAC twelve conference, and um, you know we 165 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.559 were notified. Uh by I guess they must have split us up. I 166 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.960 got called by one of the presidents and said, look, this is tough, 167 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.000 but we um, we came to an agreement with a big ten, 168 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.399 uh you know, ten minutes ago, and I just wanted to give you 169 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.399 heads up before we get together us presidence and chancellors. That will be we'll 170 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:07.639 be taking our talents to the Big ten. Yeah, that's that's crazy. 171 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.159 I just had no idea that there was, because people were saying the pack 172 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:15.759 was really going to do this, that they're not, and then they really 173 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:18.320 were. And then all of a sudden, Oregon and Washington step out and 174 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:22.440 say we're gone. And that was that. Sure. Um, but I 175 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:28.320 don't know they were gonna goes. I have a hard time of leaving they 176 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.559 would have ever signed that deal going linear, going up streaming only right, 177 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.879 You wouldn't think that would be possible. But but this this too. I 178 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.559 wonder if if the presidents were all old dudes, yeah and they're all and 179 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.519 women, Um, that if they were a younger group who know about streaming 180 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.279 and things like that. Because Jay, the Arizona Bowl goes streaming more and 181 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.840 more, it's going in that direction. It just might be too soon, 182 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.879 maybe not tomorrow, right five years from now. I'm screwed if that's a 183 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.480 because I have no idea what I was doing. I'm pretty good with it. 184 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:09.000 I feel, you know, I've got you know, I bought t 185 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.279 I bought smart TV. It's like I've learned how to handle them. And 186 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.600 here's the thing. And you're in trouble then, because even my wife knows 187 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.519 how to handle them. So that's not that hard. It's not that hard 188 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:26.480 because you come over and program no, because we I I couldn't program your 189 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.480 BCR anymore. All Right, UM, we're gonna get John Wilner up on 190 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.440 the phone here in a in in a minute or so. But um, 191 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.919 we got a whole lot more from the press conference today, um, talking 192 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.960 about travel costs, talking about you know, uh the A s U and 193 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.080 and and whether or not they were wanted to pull away from a SU or 194 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:50.360 not. Um, you know, just uh how long this lasted, uh 195 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:54.799 you know, and and then just in the end again why they did it? 196 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.759 What we'll hear again from both the Bobby Robbins and Dave he Kiss to 197 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.840 sort of a look forward. This is why they had to do this. 198 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.200 But I say, we give John Wilner collin and try and get him on 199 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.840 and we'll again, I think we're gonna have him for two segments, so 200 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.679 he's got a lot of knowledge, a lot of information. 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Are you party for a lot? 280 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.680 Less good than you? Because because it's no, I don't know is 281 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.720 it over even though that some decisions have been made or are you still going 282 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:08.839 to follow the pack? Four? Oh yeah, Uh, there's a lot 283 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:15.240 going on and I think, you know, maybe this week we'll have a 284 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.720 sense for what's gonna The next step is going to be for Cale Stanford and 285 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.160 then for Washington State Oregon State, but that is very much up in the 286 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.839 air. So we had there was a news conference with with with uh Bobby 287 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.920 Robbins and Dave Hickey this morning. Um, it sounds like it came down 288 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.119 just the way it had been it was getting reported, at least in terms 289 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:38.240 of what happened Thursday night and Friday. Bobby Robin said, we're ready to 290 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.640 sign the deal. We're ready to sign in blood. And then ten minutes, 291 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:45.559 uh, you know, ten minutes later, I get a call from 292 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.839 one of the he didn't say which president, from Oregon or Washington said they 293 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.799 were going to to the Big Ten. What was your understand was that your 294 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.039 understanding of how it happened and how did that happen that the pac cub got 295 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:00.519 so close to getting the getting this is done and then it blew up? 296 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:07.119 Yeah, No, that's my understanding is Apple made a counter offer Thursday night, 297 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:14.279 and everybody was satisfied with it, not happy with it, but satisfied 298 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.799 with it. And then overnight or early in the morning, the Big Ten 299 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:23.960 basically and Fox worked Oregon and Washington got to the point where the numbers would 300 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:30.480 work for those schools, and so at that point, right before the meeting 301 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:33.839 at seven am, Oregon Washington said you know what, We're okay, we're 302 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:41.279 out. So it was really the overnight dealings between those two schools and Fox 303 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.920 and the Big Ten that that got them. They kind of blew the whole 304 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.960 thing up at the last second. Well, you're surprised that the PAC twelve 305 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:57.160 was ready was going to sign the deal because I thought all along that the 306 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:03.240 four Corner school so the three corner schools, you know, we're not going 307 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.000 to leave. They weren't going to be the ones that would blow up the 308 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:11.319 league. That as really wasn't going to want to leave, and so it 309 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:17.359 all depended on the Big Ten. To me, the entire thirteen months was 310 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:22.920 defined by the Big Ten threat. That was always the number one existential threat 311 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:27.839 for the PAC twelves future. The Big Ten and Fox. I mean I 312 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.920 should probably just say Fox and not the Big tents. It's Fox calls the 313 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:37.039 shots there. Fox was not interested in expanding, right because the adding organ 314 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.160 in Washington has costing Fox like three hundred and fifty million dollars or something like 315 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:47.279 that, because those schools are getting thirty two million each for six years, 316 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:56.519 and so Fox was not willing to come up with the extra money for ten 317 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.559 eleven months. But the problem is the PAC twelve couldn't get a deal closed 318 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:06.519 during that window when Fox in the Big Ten were kind of taking a snooze 319 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:11.240 and so then by the time the deal happens, Fox and the Big Ten 320 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.359 have Fox has come up with the money, and the Big ten has decided, 321 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.000 the presidents have decided that they're willing to expand, and so the existential 322 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:26.880 threat kind of weird up and destroyed the Pac twelve. Had this deal been 323 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:32.160 made or given or presented itself back in the day six months ago, five 324 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.000 months ago, however, months ago, would it have been done then, 325 00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:38.319 or is this just the right time to get it done? Well, I 326 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.880 don't know for sure, but it sure seems like based on what the Big 327 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:48.039 ten presidents and Fox has been saying for the last nine or ten months, 328 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.680 it seems like if the Pack twelve had been able to get this deal done, 329 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.920 you know, either in the winner or spring that there was that Fox 330 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:03.079 was not gonna was not going to kind of come out of nowhere and decimated 331 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:07.720 by offering Organ and Washington the kind of money that they wanted. Now, 332 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:12.319 the other piece that you know, there's also the strategic piece that you have 333 00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:18.799 to consider, which is that Fox may have wanted to blow up the deal 334 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:26.279 because they don't want Apple getting into the college sports space because Apple Right is 335 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:33.240 streaming Fox is very Fox barely has a director consumer product. Fox is still 336 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.960 all linear, right, and they may have wanted to keep Apple out of 337 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:42.920 college sports or college football, and that's why they decided to get come out 338 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:48.319 of nowhere and muster enough money to get organ in Washington to leave. You 339 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.480 know. One of the things that Robbins again talked about this morning was the 340 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.640 blame that there's blame can be all over the place, but there's got to 341 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.720 be some places where there's maybe more blame than others. Sounds like you're saying 342 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.640 Fox may may bear the burden with some of that because they were protecting themselves. 343 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.000 You know, you have Oregon in Washington had they stuck around, You 344 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:12.160 have Colorado had they stuck around. You know, you have the PAC twelve 345 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:17.400 administration because they didn't get a deal done. But there's levels of blame somewhere. 346 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:22.799 But where's the biggest piece of blame go on this thing over the last 347 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.400 thirteen months. Well? Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you 348 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:30.079 can portray Fox as to blame that they're kind of more like the villain, 349 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:36.200 but they're making the business decisions for them that they think makes sense. I 350 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.440 mean, if you're pretty blaming. I wouldn't blame Colorado because I think I 351 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:45.240 think the conference was solid even after Colorado left. I mean, to me, 352 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.759 the blame goes there's a triangle of blame, right It's the presidents for 353 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:56.319 all the stupid decisions that have been made for the last twelve years. It's 354 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.519 Larry Scott, and it's George Clarkoff. They have all they all now And 355 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.799 I would say, because the presidents ultimately run the conference, they are ultimately 356 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.160 to blame right there, that at the very top of the organizational chart, 357 00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:15.119 they bear the greatest responsibility. But certainly the two commissioners have you know, 358 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:21.720 that have made a slew of strategic errors. You could argue, I mean, 359 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.599 the way they formed the pactual networks was bad, But to be the 360 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.440 biggest mistake was in twenty eighteen when ESPN went to Larry Scott and offered a 361 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.680 lifeboat. They said they'd take over the PACTUAL networks and they'd signed the PACTUAL 362 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.599 to a long term deal, and Larry Scott said, no, we're going 363 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:45.839 to continue to go at it go alone here. That left the conference vulnerable 364 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.279 to USC and UCLA getting poached by the Big ten. To me, that 365 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.720 was the biggest mistake. That said, everything else in motion that's occurred over 366 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:59.480 the last fourteen months. Wow, that's that's not that, it's part that 367 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.440 possibly. I mean, now, was Larry Scott doing that at the direction 368 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.759 of the presidents? Did Larry Scott say no? And then when until the 369 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:10.160 presidents I said no, Well, he has to get their approval to do 370 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.960 on something like that. But he would advise them. He would say, 371 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.599 I don't think we should do it, and here's why. And they don't 372 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.400 know enough about the media world. And this has been the problem from the 373 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:25.559 start when the conference decided to form its own media company. The presidents don't 374 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.000 know enough about the media world to make smart decisions. And so they hired 375 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.839 a commissioner and put him in charge. And he kind of was able to 376 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:38.279 do what he wanted with those issues, and they just they signed off on 377 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:45.279 it and supported it. But they don't Yeah we're here. Yeah you're still 378 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:51.119 there, John. Okay, it sound like it sound like your phone clicked 379 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.759 off. So John, let me ask you so. Oh, so Larry 380 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.039 Scott's now gone. They wait a little while to get George in there, 381 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.839 and I know I'm asking a tough question. Here is he the guy. 382 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:07.400 Was he the right guy? Clearly? No, I mean there were signs 383 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.000 that he wasn't the right guy for a while. My view was he was 384 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.720 hired for one to do one thing, which was get a media rights deal 385 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.200 that would keep the conference together, and he didn't do it. And so, 386 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.759 you know, I mean, that's that's pretty much the situation. You 387 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:29.839 go back to the spring of twenty twenty one when they were looking for a 388 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.480 commissioner and you thought, to yourself, they've just hired They've just been through 389 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:41.720 this tough stretch with a guy who was a Tennis Women's Tennis Association commissioner, 390 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.839 no background in college sports. He makes all these mistakes, and you thought, 391 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.759 in the spring of twenty twenty one, they need to hire somebody that 392 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.960 has college sports experience. And they turn around and they hire a guy who 393 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.759 had no college sports experience, who who was the president of MGM Sports and 394 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.559 then entertainment, and so you think, all right, well, let's see 395 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.000 if he can get it done. And then he doesn't get it done. 396 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.759 He came close. I mean again, if Fox hadn't come up with the 397 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.799 money for Washington Oregon, they'd have a deal and the nine would be together, 398 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.279 and they would have added to Indego State already and they'd be moving forward. 399 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:25.519 He came razor close to getting this thing done and he didn't. And 400 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:26.599 that was the one thing he's had to do. He's been in charge for 401 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:34.039 two years, he's lost eight schools ouch putting that way. Yeah, So 402 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.519 along the way, John and you talked about, you know, this thirteen 403 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.720 month or deal that you know, it was like a massive coaching search, 404 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.960 the worst coaching search you know ever. You know, dealing with this, 405 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.599 you know, day in day out, on vacations and whatnot. Along the 406 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:55.559 way, where was your mind in terms of what was ultimately going to happen? 407 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.519 I mean, were there times that you thought it's over, they're gone 408 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.599 there, you know, the a bunch of teams going to the Big twelve 409 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.640 in the Big ten? Were there times when it looked like they were going 410 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.440 to stick together? Was there ever a time that you definitively thought this is 411 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:12.240 just about done and then wasn't done? And then you know in which direction 412 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:15.319 it was going to go? You know, I'm just where what did you 413 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:19.960 think was going to happen at different different points along the way? Well, 414 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.000 I mean I could think back to a couple of different points. One is 415 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.640 they when I had kind of thought they were working on parallel tracks last fall, 416 00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:33.599 basically putting a deal together if UCLA had stayed and a deal together. 417 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.799 As there was no UCLA. We came out of the holidays and it was 418 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.759 clear that they were not close to a deal, and to me, that 419 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:47.119 was a big warning sign. And I even wrote something about the risk that 420 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:52.200 Kliukoff was taking with his lack of urgency. I then thought it was a 421 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.720 good chance that they were going to get a deal done in March or April, 422 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:02.920 because several presidents indicated that that was the case. Then I thought they 423 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.720 were going to get a deal done before patrol of Media Day, and they 424 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.559 never did. But in terms of whether it was going to work or not, 425 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:12.920 you know, I set up a point spread, right, And I 426 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.400 know I don't need to explain to you guys, but you know I had 427 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.680 for the last five months basically I had Survival as a four point favorite over 428 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:26.759 Extinction. And if you think about what that means in a football game, 429 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.240 right, if you see a four point spread, you figured that's gonna be 430 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.200 a close game. And I thought this all along was going to be a 431 00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:37.160 close game. And the two things that ultimately were framing my view was is 432 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:45.000 the big tenh threat real or you know, dormant, and also that nobody 433 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.960 was going to want to be the president that pulled the plug on the conference. 434 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.920 So I'm assuming in the big winners big losers view of this, the 435 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.799 big winners were the were the teams that left, the eventual teams that left, 436 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:01.799 and the big loser is the conference. Well, the biggest winner spots 437 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.519 which now has you know, Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA, They're 438 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:14.480 the biggest They're the biggest winner. Certainly the teams that left are are winners 439 00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.359 in some regards, right, not all. I mean, I think you 440 00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.839 could have made a case for a lot of those schools that they will be 441 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:27.400 better off in a pack twelve that had stuck together, you know, the 442 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.359 clear the losers, I mean, I feel terrible for Oregon State, Washington 443 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.680 State, especially in count Stanford in Oregon State. Washington State has been to 444 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.519 a Bowl game seven years in a row except for the COVID season. Nobody 445 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:45.720 does a better job in the conference with what they have, with their resources, 446 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.319 with their location, with their recruiting base. Nobody does a better job 447 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.559 than Washington State, and here they are cast adrift in this whole realignment game, 448 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.880 and it is going to cost their Olympic sport athletes, It's going to 449 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:02.440 cost their employees. I just feel terrible for those schools. Man. You 450 00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:06.880 know, when you think about you know, the one hundred years of the 451 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:09.240 Pac twelve, and you know the greatness of the Rose Bowl and all those 452 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.640 things. I mean, I just it's really hard for me to believe that 453 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.839 we're sitting You're saying this thing is done, it's over, it's gone, 454 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:22.440 it's it's disintegrated into thin air. Yep. And the other piece that I'm 455 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.400 interested in, you know, competitively, We'll see how how these schools do. 456 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.240 I mean, how are the West Cood schools going to do in the 457 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.799 Big ten, especially in football? How are the corner schools going to do 458 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.759 in the Big twelve. I mean, you know, Arizona for regular season 459 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.599 basketball, it's fantastic, But Arizona is also going to come out of the 460 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.880 Big twelve season with a lot more losses, which will impact their NCAA tournament 461 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.480 seating, which can impact your success. So there's a give and take. 462 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.400 Utah two. You know, Utah has got a much better chance going into 463 00:33:53.440 --> 00:34:00.240 the playoff football playoffs if they're in a ten team Pac twelve, right, 464 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.680 it doesn't have USC then they have coming out of a sixteen team Big twelve. 465 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.840 So there's always a competitive trade off something like this. But obviously the 466 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:15.400 schools, certainly once Oregon washing A left the corner schools had no choice. 467 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.840 So John, we're running out of time in this first segment. Can we 468 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.800 get you back for another segment? And then right after the commercial? Yeah? 469 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:24.559 Sure, thanks, Okay, we'll come back with John. Yeah, 470 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.320 we want to talk about going forward now, Okay, right, super, 471 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.360 let's talk about what now? Right, So let's do that. 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Breaking down all the exs 515 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.880 and ols. It's Steve Rivera and Jaden Salvins. This is I on the 516 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:52.239 Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Well, welcome back to Y on the 517 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.440 Ball here Fox Sports fourteen fifty post Steve throughout, He's Jagen's Austen now on 518 00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.840 the phone? Are returning with the phone? Is God Wilner? So, 519 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:04.400 John, you talked about Utah wouldn't be Packed Pac ten and Pack Big twelve? 520 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:09.519 How how sexy would have been the Pac ten under the conditions that we 521 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:15.559 kind of saw them in. You mean if they had gotten a deal done? 522 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.239 Yeah, yeah, well they would have. It would have been the 523 00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.559 nine schools, and they would have added San Diego States to replace Colorado, 524 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.599 which I think would have been an upgrade. You know, it's certainly an 525 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:32.880 upgrade basketball and also an upgrade in location and you know, recruiting footprint. 526 00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.039 So that would have if they had been able to stick together, you know, 527 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:43.320 Friday morning, then that's we would have a ten team conference moving forward 528 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.280 for the next five years, and you know, it would have an automatic 529 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:53.119 bid available to its football champion, and you know, I think it would 530 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.199 have been a good conference. Yeah, been looking ahead. I mean I 531 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.639 sit here, I feel like it would been fine. You know, they 532 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.000 would have had a shot at the playoff and they would have still had a 533 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:07.519 conference. But the whole you know, uh section, the section, you 534 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.159 know, the I mean, I mean they were ripping the Pac ten or 535 00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.519 the Pac twelve as a bad conference when USC and UCLA were in it. 536 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.039 Now they were going to be out of it. So now you have all 537 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.840 the you know, you've got Oregon, and I'm more concerned about, you 538 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.199 know, for the corner schools going to the Big twelve, because that's what 539 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.039 we're going to talk about. But you know, I feel like, you 540 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.840 know, Arizona and the other and the other schools have gone over there are 541 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.760 now in a position where they're gonna get more visibility, more attention less of 542 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:37.079 what has been acknowledged as an East Coast bias. I feel like in the 543 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.159 end, they've landed in a better place than they would have been if they'd 544 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.159 have stuck in the PAC twelve. That's how I feel. I mean, 545 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.440 don't you think that, you know, you're talking about from the tiefs, 546 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:51.199 including the standpoint of the TV right, all things considered, you know that 547 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.119 where the schools, how it ended up for and let's say specifically Arizona, 548 00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:01.280 they're in a better place overall than had the then had the PAC ten survived, 549 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.679 you know, pack Night survived and added San Diego State, and then 550 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.119 they'd been on Apple. I just feel like they're in the end, they're 551 00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:14.440 in a better place. Well, we'll see. I agree with you based 552 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:19.079 on what we know now. But what happens if Apple buys the ESPN in 553 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:23.119 a few years, and what happens when all of ESPN is direct to consumer 554 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:30.039 and Apple and Amazon or the premier distributors of sports and it's all on streaming, 555 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.199 right, we don't know what the media world's going to look like in 556 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.199 five years. So I don't know that you can necessarily say that at the 557 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:42.400 end of this decade, the petul the Arizona will be in a better spot 558 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.400 because we just don't know what's going to happen. But certainly based on the 559 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:53.039 present environment and you extrapolate from there with kind of a static view, Yeah, 560 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.840 I think that there's a very good chance Arizona will come out of this 561 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:04.519 in a better situationation, especially for uh, you know, it's basketball programs 562 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.119 visibility during the regular season, there's no there's no doubt about that. Yeah, 563 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.760 that's why I wanted to go ahead. At the same time, you 564 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:15.400 know, you got to think about I was on KMBR radio in San Francisco 565 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:22.440 last last week with Tom Tolbert and and Tilbert is talking about how he always 566 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.760 goes to watch the Cats when you're in the Bay Area, and he occasionally 567 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:29.440 goes to watch football games, and now he can't see him anymore. And 568 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:35.000 so you've got tens of thousands of alumni on the West Coast in California that 569 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.039 aren't going to be able to watch him play. So there's you know, 570 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:43.400 there's drawbacks to it, right, and uh, That's one of the things 571 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:49.360 that makes realignment so tough is that is driven by money and driven by TV. 572 00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.079 But it doesn't, you know, it doesn't necessarily account for all of 573 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:58.519 the things that make college sports great. Yeah, no question. We talked 574 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.119 about that last last week. Two fans, right, traveling, they're not 575 00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:05.440 traveling, So so John, who benefits most? And I'll stay with Arizona. 576 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.119 Arizona basketball looks to have a great, great conference to play in, 577 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.639 right, and they'll come here, Kansas goes there, blah blah blah, 578 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.079 Kansas come here, Arizona goes there. In football, Arizona's kind of like 579 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.599 going to be middle of the road. We won't know until Jed gets this 580 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.639 stuff going. Utah looks fantastic in the conference. So kind of like who 581 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:28.159 benefits in each sport? Football? Basketball, Well, I mean again, 582 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.119 Arizona benefits because they're gonna have some really good regular season match us. But 583 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.760 you know, I look at Arizona, who are not basketball, and I 584 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.440 think they're gonna have to get a hell of a lot better and tougher if 585 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:44.079 they're going to survive the Big twelve regular season with any kind of reasonable record. 586 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.679 And NCAAC, I mean going through the Pac twelve on a week to 587 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.920 week basis is nothing like going through the Big twelve. So we'll see. 588 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.840 And then, you know, it's a little bit like the good Zaga question, 589 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.320 right, Are they better off in the WCC where they dominate and get 590 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.679 a high seat in the NCAAs, or you better are they better off getting 591 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.320 into a power conference whether they're gonna finish you know, fourth or fifth occasionally 592 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.960 and go into the Nciblas as a seven seat And you know, we'll just 593 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.440 have to see how Arizona Arizona does in that regard. So I think you 594 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.280 could make a case in football that it's going to be really hard for all 595 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.199 four, for the Big ten, for all four of those West Coast schools, 596 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:30.000 to deal with ten state, Ohio State, Michigan and all the travel 597 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.440 that's going to be involved. To me, it's a little bit unclear, 598 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:39.599 but I do know this, the nil piece is going to be huge, 599 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.039 and which of the Pack twelve schools besides Oregon is going to come up with 600 00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.639 a big time, an eye ol game that's going to allow them to compete 601 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.159 for the recruits that they're going to need, you know, to thrive in 602 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.440 these two two conferences. Interesting. Yeah, that's a piece that again we 603 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:01.719 still don't know. So here's here's my story and I'm sticking to it. 604 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:07.760 John. I feel that assuming that Jetfish keeps the program going, you know, 605 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.159 on an upswing, and you know, gets better and better to where 606 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.079 it would have been competitive in the in the in the in the Pac twelve. 607 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.719 Because of the fact that there's no USC and no Oregon and to a 608 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:24.559 degree, no Washington in the way in the Big twelve, I feel like 609 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:29.199 there's a chance, a better chance for them to compete in the Big twelve 610 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:35.000 than because from nineteen seventy eight until this year, USC has always been in 611 00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.480 the way over the last ten fifteen years, Oregon has been in the way 612 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.199 for periods of time, Washington has been in the way where you thought Arizona 613 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.760 can't compete against those guys because they can't get those players. I know TCU 614 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.239 was in the National Championship last year, but I don't think I TCU doesn't 615 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.960 strike me as a team that is going to sustain a USC type of existence 616 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.360 in the Big twelve. And then after that it's kind of like Oklahoma State, 617 00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:00.039 maybe some Baylor now and then Texts there's no button. There aren't a 618 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.039 bunch of teams in the way for Arizona. I mean that's how I see 619 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:07.599 it. No, that's true, and that's why the Big twelve is stable 620 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:14.639 because it doesn't have any premier football programs after Texas and Oklahoma left. That 621 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:19.639 was the that was the Pack twelve's curse was that it had schools that the 622 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:24.119 Big Ten wanted. The ACC's curse is that it's got schools that the SEC 623 00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:29.239 and Big Ten might want. In Clemson, Florida State, the Big Twelve 624 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.800 had stability through mediocrity. Without any premier football brands, it wasn't going to 625 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.960 get rated again. So yes, there aren't any of those kind of schools 626 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.639 and standing in Arizona's way. I mean, Utah is a pretty big obstacle 627 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:49.760 slow and frankly, Utah is a pretty big obstacle for all of the existing 628 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:53.320 Big twelve schools. But but no, there's no you know, there's no 629 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:58.840 blue blood in football in the Big Twelve. It should be very interesting. 630 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.280 So now you kind of could take a breather. I talked about this at 631 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:06.880 the first segment with the Pack four. Something could break in the next day 632 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.719 or two with the West. What are you hearing, Yeah, there's no 633 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:14.079 breathers man. With realignment, I think that well, Stanford and Cow are 634 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.920 pushing to get into either the ACC or Big Ten, and I'm going to 635 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.119 guess that that may be resolved this week one way or the other, one 636 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:30.159 conference or the other, and that will determine the next step for the Pack 637 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.880 four or whatever you want to call it. If if Stanford and Cow don't 638 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.480 get into either of those leagues, then I think the four schools will try 639 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:42.039 to rebuild the Pack twelve and they'll add a few top tier Mountain West schools 640 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.800 and they might even try to get a few schools from Texas and they will 641 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.360 try to rebuild the thing. If Stanford and Cow leave, then I think 642 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.239 Oregon State in Washington State are gonna you know, they're going in the mount 643 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.159 West. There's no there's no other options. As anybody said anything about what 644 00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.239 happens to the PAC twelve, you know, guaranteed playoff spot do they have 645 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:06.639 to have a certain level of school or a certain level of programs? Can 646 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.079 can the can the playoffs? Say? You know what Oregon State, Washington 647 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.679 State, Stanford, Cal and you know Fresnel State and San Diegay that's not 648 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.440 going to cut it. You guys are you guys are basically a group of 649 00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.159 five conference. Now you don't get an automatic bid? Can that happen? 650 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:27.679 Well? So there's two different pieces to that. The first is the playoff 651 00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:34.320 will the only recognize a conference than is certified by the NCAA, And in 652 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.480 order to get certified, you have to have at least six members. So 653 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:44.840 any conference that's got six members is technically eligible to send its champion to the 654 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:50.159 playoff. However, what's going to happen in a couple of years when they 655 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:57.320 start the next playoff contract is that the current structure, which has six automatic 656 00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.199 bids and six at large bids, the SEC and Big ten are going to 657 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.960 change that and it's going to go down to my guess is five automatic bids 658 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.519 and seven at large bids. So if the PAC twelve re builds itself and 659 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.440 it becomes a Pack eight or PAC ten, it would be writable for the 660 00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:22.480 playoff if it's champion is like one of the top five ranked conference champions. 661 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.320 But it's soon it's going to go from six to five automatic bids. The 662 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.000 SEC and the Big ten want as many at large spots as they can I 663 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:35.039 mean, the SEC is planning to send four teams out of the twelve. 664 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.440 You know, they're gonna send their champion and they want three at large spots. 665 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:42.960 So and the Big ten is thinking the very same thing. So if 666 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.280 you're the ACC or you're the Big twelve, you know, you're hoping to 667 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:51.159 get your champion into the playoff and you're hoping to get one at large team 668 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:52.599 in. But it's gonna be dicey. Yeah, okay, oh yeah, 669 00:48:52.599 --> 00:49:00.920 because I was thin at the champion bids aren't set or a conference. It's 670 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.559 just assumed that the conference champions are going to get them. So it's just 671 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.760 a number. It's a number. The top right now, it's the top 672 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.840 six ranked conference champions, and there are five Power five conferences and there are 673 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.159 ten conferences total plus Notre Dame, so it will probably go down to five 674 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:22.599 automatic qualifying spots, and it's going to be a battle loyal to get those 675 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:30.400 seven at large births because Notre Dame also will be they count would count as 676 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.679 an at large since they don't have a conference championship to win, So you 677 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.800 know, it's there's not going to be many spots for the Big twelve at 678 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.400 large spots for the Big twelve in the ACC. All right, so does 679 00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:46.000 this this is what the billion dollars or two billion dollars or twenty billion dollar 680 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:52.079 question? Is all of this making college football more and I'm seeing specifically football 681 00:49:52.199 --> 00:50:01.119 more or less interesting? Well? I think that the playoff expansion is the 682 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:07.400 biggest thing that has happened to college football since the Supreme Court nineteen eighty four 683 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:13.679 gave the conferences control of their TV dollars. That changed, that changed everything. 684 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.599 To me, the expanded playoff is bigger than the creation of the original 685 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:23.119 four team playoff, bigger than the BCS Bowl Alliance, the Bowl Coalition. 686 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:29.320 It is huge for the sport. But I also think that this realignment stuff 687 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.079 is bad because to me, college football, when it's at its best, 688 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:38.679 is about tradition and regional rivalries. Right. All this stuff is just moving 689 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:44.800 it closer to being a mini NFL and the postseason is going to be great. 690 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.480 But you know, I don't know that it's necessarily the best thing for 691 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.679 the health of the sport long term, just given what the how it's it's 692 00:50:54.800 --> 00:51:00.480 history. It's so much different than the NFL. The NFL is a propolis 693 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:04.760 sport. It's about the teams and the cities. College football is about the 694 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:09.039 college towns and one hundred years of tradition and all these arch rivalries that you've 695 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:13.880 got going on. So you know, in that regard, I think it's 696 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:19.079 realignment generally is not good. Well, John, we appreciate your time. 697 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.119 A lot of good stuff to get through. Ye keep busy, get some 698 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:28.480 rest, get some rest. Never rested this stuff. I did have time. 699 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.920 I did have time the other day to go play, to go play 700 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:36.840 golf. Wow, okay, yeah, you shot at two seventeen. Now 701 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.679 was this on a regular golf course? Is that we are talking minutes? 702 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:44.280 Your golf? What was Yeah? It was a par three course, So 703 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.440 you've improved. Thank thanks John. Hey, John, we appreciate thanks for 704 00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:50.800 all the hard work you got. You guys did a great job. So 705 00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:55.719 thank you. Thank you calculator. Oh well so obviously, um yeah, 706 00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:00.639 thanks John. You know, I don't know that I I knew all along 707 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:02.800 I didn't want to be in his shoes. Remember how many times did we 708 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:07.000 say I would hate to be covering this as a as a daily writer. 709 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.119 No, of course, because it was like the coaching search, and we've 710 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:12.880 all been through one of those a lot of stuff. A second hour, 711 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.599 we're gonna have the breaking down. Well, let's I say we just you 712 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:16.880 know, we got a lot of teams to continue the stuff with. You 713 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:21.199 know from the Robins press conference, Tommy Lloyd had some stuff today. So 714 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.239 let's have mister Dunn and then uh, and then we're gonna have Ryan Dunn 715 00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.599 coming on at four or fifteen. We're gonna break away from this subject to 716 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:30.679 talk a little bit about some after school sports for kids and stuff. So 717 00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:32.880 um, we'll do all that, So stick around.