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Get Commander, don't get Supremelina mag
So coming. We have my old friend

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Derek Smith is here. Hello Derek, I'm nice to see you and and

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you brought Nick and Chloe here with
you. Welcome, nice to be here,

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Thanks for having us. And I
gotta turn those mics. I'm getting

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used to getting used to the new
mics here, the new setup. Turn

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you guys up a little bit there. So now, obviously I've known Derek

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for like twenty years, but uh, who are who are the two of

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you? Who are Nick and Chloe? Well, my name is Cloe Schottmeyer,

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and Nick and I are both representatives
and board members of a really cool

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space that's kind of coming up and
coming here in Manchester. Yes, y,

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yes, it's called the Mosaic Arts
Collective, located at sixty six Hanover

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Street, right next to the Palace
Theater and a couple other really important Hanover

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Street entities. We are more than
just a gallery. We do have gallery

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space where lots of local artists are
exhibiting over the last year and it's been

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really fulfilling to see these local artists
come from all over New Hampshire and beyond

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New Hampshire to come show their work
of all levels in the space. But

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one of the cool things about Mosaic
is that it's not just a gallery.

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It is also a studio space and
a workshop space and a classroom and a

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collective for all of the arts community
of Manchester to kind of share and come

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together. And yeah, and that's
artists that are just starting out, that's

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established artists. We do art calls
so like anyone can enter and join a

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show and show what they have.
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I muted my mic for a second. Yeah, I'm still getting used to

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the new the new set up here. Yeah, Jenny and I have been

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there, so we've been there twice
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uh there for a concert. Yeah, who was who was? I

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forget who was playing that night?
Derek will remember. It was back in

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December. Yeah, yeah, and
that was the first one. Had Evan

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Benoit Happy just to see you and
the DJ Visa from Portland, Maine.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, he was
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were really good. And then we
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the U during the daytime as a
presentation of talk on AI in Art many

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different forms, which was really interesting. Yeah. I really learned a lot

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about AI that I did not know
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Yeah, and I know they have
more things like that coming up.

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And tonight we're gonna go see Abner
the Second Yes and Regal Yes. Regals.

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Yeah, forgive me, I forgot
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I was checking out the checking them
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enjoying their music. So I'm looking
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the space is so uniquely cool in
that the Misaic are collective. When you

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walk in, it's just it's art. You walk into this this really amazing

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space that has different different people's work, different types of talents, different types

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of textures and styles, and then
you have this warm room in the middle

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where the music is and everybody can
gather and and then there's a lot of

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artist spaces there. They're beautiful.
It's just a really uniquely cool place,

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that little little diving in the rough
of the city that even once you know

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it's there, yeah, you're right
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set up. We are located on
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little kind of set back and a
little hidden there. Yeah, but it

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is a diamond when you when you
first walk in, and the space has

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served a numerous amount of purposes for
many artists and creative in Manchester over the

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last year plus. I love that
you guys have been into shows and seeing

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some of our music that's happened so
far. That's really exciting. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, no, we
fell in love really quickly. Yeah,

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absolutely, no, very cool place. Now. So so the two of

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you, Nick and Chloy, so
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Now? How did so? How
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the art collective get started? So
it started back in August. They did

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a show called Full Circle and it
was kind of, like I said,

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an art call so local artists could
participate. My friend Cassie has sent me

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a link and I entered and I
met Liz when I dropped off, and

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it was just extremely warm and welcome. You just walk in and you just

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kind of feel like comfortable, and
it's just kind of been like that all

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year. And it's Snowball and now
we're a nonprofit with the board which we

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joined, and it's it's just a
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that are local and right now there's
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So the board members brought in a
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are like local leaders in the in
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New England, but mostly local to
the after Okay, I assume you know

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we we always talk Jenny and I
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quite a bit, you know,
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We're always talking about how it's amazing
how much local talent there is and

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and you would you know, you
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not unique to to this area any
anywhere. Really, you know, there's

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you're gonna find a lot of music, local musicians in your area who are

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doing really great stuff. And I
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just how much talent there is going
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unless they're actually taking the time to
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go just go online and find what
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the same with art, right,
that there's just all this talent all around

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us that unless you're really kind of
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even you don't even know that it's
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effort to, you know, to
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Yeah. Absolutely, Mosaic was the
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I had no idea. I've lived
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so yeah, it's like I had
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this much. It's a community I
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it's really cool just to see and
meet all these people over the year,

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and it felt like years really wouldn't
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place is just kind of blown up
in Manchester. Yeah, that's really cool

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that that was your first I talked
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when I get daring enough, i'll
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you did it for the first time
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awesome, encouraging, it's encouraging.
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that the right term? Show?
Exhibitioning? Showing? Yeah? Like what

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goes into that? So it is, uh, it's a team effort.

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So this this current show that we
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different structure. It was an invitation
structure, so that was a little bit

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different. We reached out to artists
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and show. Typically, we run
a open call every month, and for

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an open call, anybody is welcome
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does. Yeah, and we like
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people doesn't end up being Oh,
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that might dictate who enters a show
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each month that might be relevant to
something that's happening in the month, or

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relevant to our own timeline as a
gallery. So I think different themes attract

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different kinds of artists and attract different
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in October, this most recent October, we did the Never More show,

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and I think Halloween is a very
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imagine. Yeah, yeah, we
had just an influx of just amazing work,

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all inspired by spooky October things.
Yes, and that was on the

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flip end, you know. Then
the board has to get together and review

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all these submissions and make selections.
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that's selected to make it into the
show, then we have to hang it

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on the wall. Yeah. Yeah, so that has always been fun.

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And I think I can speak for
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hanging parties that we do at Mosaic
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for the step or those of us
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have really had every month just this
wonderful point to come together, touch touch

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base, kind of collaborate on on
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something to everyone, not just us, and it's it provides all of us

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such a such a great feeling of
fulfillment and happiness, and we all walk

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away from those days, those evenings
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I think recognizing what this was all
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Liz is the owner and founder of
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this area to hooks the area after
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thriving, collaborative, local arts community
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was sort of surprised to see a
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I think she saw identified and then
executed the need to produce a space where

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the local artists here in Manchester could
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of the other like small local art
communities in the in the US are doing

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all around us. And it's sort
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space. And seeing that come to
fruition over the last year has been I

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think to knixt point, it's felt
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You know, we've gained a decades
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worth of people all in the last
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all of that and last year it's
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happened, no doubt. It's interesting
how people can interact with the artists more

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here too, where it is a
local collective of artists, you have the

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opportunity to speak to the artists or
get closer to them than you would in

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a large gallery situation where you might
see their name but you wouldn't even know

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what they look like. Yeah,
here the artists can be more more in

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touch or they're more reachable. I'm
curious too about the submission, because you're

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talking about like the board, you've
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that a difficult process because I would
imagine because obviously art, any kind of

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art, is subjective, and so
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you know, like someone might like
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no, we can't know, yeah
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us try to do it at a
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tiebreaker vote type of thing. Okay, that's smart, so you know,

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like if it was one person,
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if you have three people doing it, then it's like two people could agree

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and one guy's like maybe iffy about
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of be iffy about it, and
then you have the third person say,

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actually, yeah, that's like why
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thing. Like, so it is
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So like judging a show, hanging
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all show up and kind of take
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then we also have the openings like
where you can meet the artists because most

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of them show up. So it's
like you can just go to an opening

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and see something on the wall and
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So yeah, very cool. Yeah, there's lots of checks and balances

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and how we make those selections.
And I think one of the core elements

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that we keep in mind when we're
making them is the mission of Mosaic,

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which is to help build and nurture
and influence the growth of one's practice in

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a safe place. So when we're
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that this is not just about what
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This is about real art. This
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about self expression, and this is
about being supported in that. Yeah,

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yeah, excellent. And now,
Derek, how did you get involved?

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Obviously you you know you've been You've
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I have known each other for a
long time in the in the music industry.

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We used to do Jenny's heard this
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back in the day, we used
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introduced me to well, you know, we were sort of half kidding at

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the UH at the that Jenny and
I went to that. You know,

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Acacia Strain. They owe all their
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a show. I'm honestly surprised they're
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Well, you know, they had
a great start because we booked them.

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I don't we paved the way,
That's right, They all all it

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all to us. But yeah,
so how did you get involved in the

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collective? Once I moved back earlier
last year and in the spring, I

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reached out to Liz. I was
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I had initially won to start a
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here when I lived here, you
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that never materialized. So I started. I started my online gallery artists only,

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and you know, I've just hosted
a bunch of artists throughout the country

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and international, but I still wanted
a physical space because the idea was always

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to include a monthly showcase of performers. And I reached out to her to

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see if she was open to the
idea, and she was, so I

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met with her, went over some
logistics and and we you know, that

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was in the fall that I met
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show, as you mentioned, in
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we're gonna try to keep doing them, are you still doing your online gallery

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periodically, not as regularly as it
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to be a more full web page. Now it's it's solely structured to Instagram,

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so that artists only. A oh
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that an online gallery? I mean, do people contact you and say I'd

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like to feature? How does that
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as I network with the artists.
I'll reach out to someone i'd like to

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feature. Also, it's it's nonprofit, so I'll just also sometimes repost various

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artists work and give them the credit. Yeah. Yeah, what was your

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Instagram page? It's artists only and
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And now for the music, are
you booking all the music at the at

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Mosaic? Is that that's all you
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I mean I know it's relatively new
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this is the the second one tonight. I already have the one set up

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up for next month, will be
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more of an electronic night with two
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Maine, Gibbs Freelance and I try
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opener for draw and that's going to
be Danny Kemp's Anny Camps. Yeah,

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he does kind of like he plays
guitar and bass, but he also misses

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around with sense. How do you
how do you figure out who would be

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a good fit? I mean,
is there do you do the musicians that

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you're booking, do they have to
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certain criteria in mind in terms of
who would you know because it's not obviously

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at a place like Mosaic, it's
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musicians who are gonna fit the vibe. I mean, do you is

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that a big part of the process
in terms of figuring out who to who

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to book there? Somewhat? Yeah, I mean I'll I'll try to have

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it, you know, be some
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I'm all for diversity as well,
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more of a an abstract bill.
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you know, when we were there
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perfect, you know, that seems
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you know, and it's such a
it's such an amazing space. You're

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sitting in the middle of all this
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yeah, God, I'm looking for
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Huh, intimate, intimate. That
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You're and the sound is just really
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it's totally worth going there to listen
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a great space to be in.
It's more personable. You know, the

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artist is right there, not H'm
teen feet away from you or what have

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you. Yeah, yeah, no, I really am. I've already written

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it down February seventeenth, got that
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next music night, so I'll have
that DOWNE love to actually keep in touch

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and bring musicians that you have,
bring them to our listeners. If we

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haven't beat you to the punch we
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mean if they're available or before the
show on some Saturday and we start to

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see a lot of wonderful musicians.
If you ever need anybody, please don't

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hesitate. I love recommendations that come
in and go out. So thanks for

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that. Absolutely, absolutely, I
really am excited about tonight's show too.

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Regals is a new to me,
never heard of them before the and I'm

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really interesting sound. I really enjoyed
we were listening last night because I was

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just playing. I always play something
I have tonight, so I always have

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something in the room going on.
Really great sound, really great. They

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started as a three piece and I
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Okay, and they've expanded to a
fuller band. Ryan Egan, who leads

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the band, has been in former
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were that band. It was Bad
Fellows and he played drums with them,

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and it was also in a band
called Pleasure Gap Okay. But he's been

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a Manchester staple for you know,
ten plus years. And this city has

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a lot of arts, a lot
of amazing artists. I didn't realize how

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much until last year when we've really
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and more artists. This city is
with incredible talent. It's just amazing to

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me what we have in this city. You think New Hampshire kind of a

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small state. We can fit your
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as people go. But we really
are very blessed with a lot of amazing

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talent and different genres, all kinds
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try out a new genre, a
small venue like this is absolutely perfect to

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go listen to something you haven't seen
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Abner the Second. I never know
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really he's amazing. He uses a
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the music he creates, and I
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are absolutely awesome. It was funny
because Matt's been playing him for a very

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long time before we ever had him
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got him on as a guest,
and I got the joy of sitting there

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going We've been playing you for years. Him being on this show was actually

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how I realized that Matt had started
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I was still in Austin, Texas
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Zach Abner post about it. Oh
cool, yeah, cool, the small

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world comes around. That's good to
hear. So now, so what does

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the future hold for Mosaic? I
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long term plan as far as continuing
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have some really exciting stuff that you
know is maybe potentially hanging in our future,

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but some of the more kind of
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see the community show up and support, and is of course our music night

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tonight, and so doors will open
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a twenty one plus show, but
we will be having refreshments by donation and

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live music, and we expect the
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Okay, this evening cool, So
feel free to stop by between seven and

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ten and come check us out and
see what the game he has to offer.

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Jenny and I will be there.
Absolutely. Are you an artist?

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Do you want to be on?
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the collective, you guys operate mostly
on donation, right, correct, So

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we are a nonprofit, so we
really do rely on support from our community

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by donation and also by showing up
and being in the shows. Right.

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Submitting it feels like really cheap,
isn't it like ten dollars? I think

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ten to fifteen dollars. Yeah,
it's very accessible. That's our aim and

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our goal is to keep it that
way. You can take a chance without

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losing your grocery bill, which I
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accessible to everybody, Right, you
don't have to be somebody with a whole

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lot of money to try and buy
your way in through a gallery. You

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your donation is helping to fund this
beautiful space for local artists, which people

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know. Matt and I are huge
on supporting all local artists and he can't

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go wrong when you support your community
anyway. Yeah, we actually have a

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sticker to support local art which is
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And we also have gift cards done
by Jackie Hanson which you can kind

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of buy over time if you want
to save up for yourself or give it

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to someone else to buy a piece
at the gallery, or you can use

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it towards your submission fees for open
calls. So the next open call that

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we have is all heart statuses for
February show. So it can neither be

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you know, about your relationship or
love for whoever, or it could be

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about how love sucks and you can
just do something for that. So any

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heart status okay, So it doesn't
even necessarily have to be love, you

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know, it could be any emotion
that you feel you need to express.

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Oh very good, very good.
Oh I like that. Yeah. So

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the submission, the submission date is
for that. All submissions are due due

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by January twenty six at eleven fifty
nine pm. So mark that on your

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calendars. Okay. So well,
if people go to submit, they take

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a picture of their work, send
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then everybody goes and looks at all
the different pieces. And now to people

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come in with huge paintings teeny tiny
paintings, are there size restrictions like or

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do you like just send a picture
and go, hey, this is what

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it is. So typically we don't
do We don't impose many restrictions because we

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want to see what you have.
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obviously that it's not a huge room, but we accept three D artwork,

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two D artwork, digital art work, any kind, and the dimensions are

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completely ope, I mean only the
only limitation we have is can we get

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it in the room, right,
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encourage everyone to kind of not be
constricted in what they're bringing to the table.

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Yeah, that's a great question.
We have a couple So Nick mentioned

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that we have a gift card done
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who we've done some incredible workshops with, and she actually has a workshop coming

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up in the next couple of weeks
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Okay, it's going to be an
eraser workshop. So the gift card that

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we have is kind of done in
a similar style where she has carved into

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material to create a stamp and then
you know, repeat that artwork, you

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know, over and over again as
many times as she wants. Interesting.

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So that's how our gift cards are
made, and so this eraser workshop will

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be very similar to that in carving
into an eraser material, which is very

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easy to get accessible. Anybody can
find an eraser and then create a stamp

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out of it. Yeah, so
that will be a really exciting workshop coming

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up, and those who are interested
in signing up for that, I encourage

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checking out our website and getting a
slot ahead of time. Now, what

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is the cost on that particular workshop. Off the top of my head,

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I'm actually not one hundred percent sure, but I you know, I'm not

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even going to give you an estimated
figure because I can't remember off the top

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of my head, but it is
posted on our website. Okay, okay,

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oh, I've set it right here. Actually, the Erase of Print

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Marketing workshop that is going to be
held on January twenty fifth, arrive at

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five forty five please, and their
address again is sixty six Handover Streets to

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a suite two oh one, So
thirty five dollars registration fee, which covers

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all the supplies that you need to
make your own to be able to take

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that home. Yeah, very cool. So that will be your very exciting

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way to not only support the gallery
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take home with you to day.
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that you're doing something that's not a
painting right right, like different? No

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that I mean, obviously I paint, but everywhere's always a paint for I

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want to do something fun, right, something different, something that you can

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play with. Yeah, I like
that. I like that? And maybe

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what else from absolutely ooh, I
like the support local artist sticker there,

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that's really I love stickers. In
case you didn't notice, my laptop is

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completely covered, well, you must
need one. I must need one.

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A very fun fact is the artist
who created that sticker is actually sitting right

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next to me in this room.
You. Hey, no, seriously,

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I really like this. Yeah,
Liz ree Stone asked if we wanted to

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do a sticker, and I just
kind of came up with something and we

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went back and forth about it,
and we actually used that same design for

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the we were did that Christmas bread
recently and we had a banner on the

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side that had the same thing.
So that's pretty cool too. Excellent,

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excellent. Hey. By the way, this is a little bit not off

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topic, but not specifically about the
gallery, but I'm just curious do any

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of you have any thoughts on because
Jenny and I attended that that event that

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was at the gallery about AI and
art. Do any of you just have

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any kind of general thoughts about that
or it's kind of a big, big

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subject, but it's a broad question, but I'm just curious if if any

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of you have any thoughts on the
matter. Generally, I'm not for AI,

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but I can understand its use kind
of like I don't know if you're

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editing something or something like that,
but if you're going from like zero to

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an image, I don't necessarily love
that use of it. By that,

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you mean like if you give it
a prompt and create this and create this,

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Because I don't know. I I
hand draw and I use digital.

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I think digital is like the closest
they'll get to it. But no,

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I understand its uses though, so
generally I'm not for it, but I

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can see how people can use it
to enhance whatever they're doing right right or

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edit their writing. So say you're
like writing. See we were talking about

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that before you guys came into the
show because I have a book started and

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I was coming in hiring. Should
I use AI to edit the book or

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not? And now I've come to
the conclusion that I'm not going to.

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with the idea. I mean I talked

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it. He did, he talk
about of it. He totally talked me

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out of it. But I have
a unique style of writing anyway. I

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don't know that you could fit that
into me. I have a little bit

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of a different perspective on AI.
Oh cool. So I'm classically trained as

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a photographer, and I think one
of the things when AI started coming onto

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the scene that I am a just
immediate it Lea started thinking, was,

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man, this this must must be
how painters felt when photography hit the scene,

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you know, you know, and
like just to see the medium gos

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from you know, you have to
at least with photography, you had to

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actually go to the place and bring
the equipment and put that amount of effort.

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And now you can just go type
in, make me a picture of

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Santorini with a wedding happening, and
there it is. You know, you

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don't have to be there, so
I think, and and similarly to a

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painter who used to have to put
or still does put hours of time into

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accurately translating what they're seeing, and
then photography hit the scene and you just

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press a button and go about your
marry day. Right, yeah, I

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can only draw like equations to how
that must feel there. Yeah, it

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never occurred to me. Yeah,
but that's yeah, it's an interesting insight.

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It seems like it might be some
kind of natural agression in you know,

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art and technology that we're experiencing.
But it's also I am skeptical too,

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you know. There there, I
think AI can be misused and and

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I it is also a tool that
is dictated by humans still, so it's

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depending upon other people's work to draw
itself into work, right, It's pulling

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from everything else that other people have
already done, right, which in a

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lot of way doing that right.
Right. So, so the only difference

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is that it's an artificial intelligence that's
drawing inspiration from the world around it rather

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than an organic intelligence, so which
I think see is the reason to be

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skeletical. But it is interesting.
Yeah, what do you think, Derek.

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I think that I'm I'm anti AI
in the respect of, you know,

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it potentially taking jobs from people,
but I believe that there may be

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some sort of merit to it in
like the medical field. Yeah, it's

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they're they're working out ways to allow
even like paralyzed people to walk again.

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Watch some of those videos. There's
like sensory mechanisms that they have been implanted

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in people that they're able to control
remotely and you know, give those sort

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of you know, sensory function that
the body is supposed to and uh,

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you know, it's it's it's still
at the beginning stages and the people are

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are still slow to to get going. But it's yeah, there's it's it's

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sort of you know, progression in
that Field. Yeah, well, it's

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funny you mentioned that too, because
when we had when we had Conrad War

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from the band I don't know if
you know the band Be's Deluxe, really

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good Boston band, and we were
talking about that with him, you remember

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this, and he was talking about
how, for example, if you're a

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medical professional and you're you're trying to
find a treatment plan for someone with an

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illness, and you can you know, say to AI, you know,

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give me, give me three treatment
plans for this person and describe the person

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and and uh, you know,
it can save a lot of time and

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potentially be very useful in a situation
like that. So Hanson in in medicine

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is just exponentially going. I agree
with you. In a lot of different

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industries, AI does and will continue
to have a great place. But in

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art, yeah, that's where you
And it's all art, whether it's right,

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whether it's music, whether it's print, whether it's writing. It adds

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a lot of guesswork to authentic or
not. So I'll just share briefly my

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my one experience trying to create visual
art using uh Dolly three. I don't

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know if any of you have used
that at all, but I had to.

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We did a segment on the show
talking about the Daryl Hall versus John

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Oates lawsuit a couple of months ago, and so I I took that segment

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and I put it on YouTube,
and I needed a thumbnail, and uh,

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so I tried, uh using Dolly
three to create what I wanted was

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to see because I'd seen I'd seen
people come up with some pretty good stuff

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using this, So I wanted an
image of Darryl Hall and John Oates in

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a boxing ring. And what I
learned pretty quickly is it's very resistant.

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Two and and we talked about this
too at the event that we went to

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at most A. Yeah, this
came up at the event. I wish

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I could remember that who Who's Who's
the gentleman's name? By the way,

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do you know offhand Carl Carl?
I cannot. I have a mental block

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with his name. He was very
impressive. I liked his presentation. So

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we were talking about about this,
and I remember telling him I couldn't get

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it to do that exactly, and
he said, it seems to be the

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program seems to be very resistant to
the idea, just broadly, of putting

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celebrities in violent situations. So it
wouldn't let me do that. So the

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best I was able to get out
of it when I tried to make that,

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and I did, I did get
it to do. Something that I

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used for a thumbnail on the YouTube
video was Daryl holland John Oates at a

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plain chess but with angry expressions on
their faces. It doesn't quite look like

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Darryl holland John Oates, but it
looks close enough. But they both look

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angry and it's a funny fixture.
But that's the only thing I've I've used

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it for so far, but that
was kind of fun. Well, listen,

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we will, uh will begin before
we run out of time. I

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want to make sure, well,
actually, is there anything that we didn't

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mention, because I know you had
a bunch of things you wanted to mention.

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I don't want to leave anything out. I think we got through most

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of them. The only one that
I and it occurs to me since we're

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talking about Carl's talk, we will
be having another artist talk at the end

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of January. Here on January twenty
sixth Okay local photographer Gary Sampson, who's

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actually he's the photographer I invited to
the This is Us plus some show.

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He's been my longtime mentor and professor
as a photographer, and he has a

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really extensive history with Manchester and supporting
historical and cultural preservation in Manchester alongside being

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also a very prolific artist in his
own respect. Oh cool, and he'll

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be doing an artist talk on the
twenty sixth January twenty six starting at five

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forty five pm, So I know
many many of the listeners out there may

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actually know of Gary and might be
interested to see him talk and hear about

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his work, So please feel free
to register online for that talk as well.

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We'd love to see the community show
up. Excellent, excellent. Where

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should people go online to keep up
with everything that is going on at Mosaic

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Art Collective. I think we are
most active on Instagram Mosaic Art Collective very

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simple on Instagram. We are also
on Facebook and if you go to Mosaic

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Arcollective dot com, our gallery website
is also updated regularly along with all of

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our social media pages. Okay,
and you can actually see like all the

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archive shows from the past year or
two, so if you're curious what we've

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been doing, you can go down
and see all the art that was in

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each show. Okay, okay,
excellent, excellent, And what will all

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three of you be there tonight?
Absolutely? Absolutely, very good. Well,

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look forward to that. We look
forward to seeing you there. Jenny

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and I will be there and we
encourage people to participate. Yes and yeah,

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speaking of archives, as you are
aware, I had told you I

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had a radio show of my own, and I have so since being there,

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I quote unquote revived the show as
a home recording back in October.

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So I have a handful of episodes
up, most currently one from the beginning

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of the month, and I'm gonna
have it go for maybe a few more

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installments and until I reached episode fifty, So those can be listened to on

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a It's a music variety show and
it's on mixcloud dot com Forward Slash Eclectic

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Arrangements. I like the name.
Yeah, thanks, and we only left

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out for the show tonight that the
admission is the slight scale five to ten

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dollars. Okay. I bought our
tickets online. Yeah, and that was

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an option as well on event pright. Yeah, yeah, excellent, excellent.

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Well, I'm glad, I'm glad
you're all going to be there tonight.

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That is wonderful. Of course,
Abner the Second and UH regals will

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be playing Who's Who's going on?
What's the order is? It's Abner first

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and then Resh and Abner will be
joined by a drummer tonight. He will

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just be oh, okay, okay, very interesting, very good, very

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good. Wakes it up? Yeah, would Oh that's right, our friend

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EZG hasn't called. I know you
well. Thank you all three of you

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for coming in. Nick and Chloe, wonderful to meet you, and Derek

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of course, always nice to see
you, my friend. Thanks Matt,

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absolutely look forward to uh, look
forward to seeing you tonight. And yeah,

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definitely I would encourage people to come
down Mosaic Art Collective tonight and in

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fact, we're going to close out
the segment with another song from Abner the Second
