1 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:27,000 Hello and welcome. This is Seventh Sanctum and I am Kerry Anne and I'm 2 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:33,679 joined this evening with Natalie, my co host. And we are also joined 3 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:39,560 this evening by Jade, who is who I'm familiar with on TikTok Ye old 4 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,439 golf Witch who shares lots of content around magic, the old ways, and 5 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:51,479 lots of inspiration from his old witch Mountain. Nana, I've not got that 6 00:00:51,560 --> 00:01:00,000 rise, have i? How? By all you? Hello, Well, 7 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,519 thank you so much for joining us. Very welcome. I'm glad to be 8 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,599 here. Perfect. So before I get started, Natalie, how are you. 9 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,319 How's your how's your week been? It's been all right. We're starting 10 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,400 to get a bit chilly up here now, but not as cold as you 11 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:21,280 guys are in America, but the sounds of it, we've only just hit 12 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,959 minus one, yourselsies. I don't know what that is in fahrenheit, but 13 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,480 so we're quite warm compared to you guys at the moment. Yeah, it 14 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:38,000 was single digits here for like four days and below zero for almost yeah, 15 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:45,000 four digits and single digits and below zero for almost four or five days here, 16 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:52,280 so it was yeah. See, I'm sitting here with my fluffy pajamas 17 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,159 on I'm painting a picture, a visual image, if you will, fluffy 18 00:01:56,159 --> 00:02:00,239 pajamas on a fluffy, fluffy dressing gown. It's nowhere near that cold here, 19 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:06,200 so I can't imagine. Mhm, it's it's cold. I mean there 20 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:12,400 is a lot of snow so or at least for us anyway. Some places 21 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:17,719 got way more of it, like Colorado. I mean, Colorado got a 22 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:24,159 lot of snowe I was gonna say, do you do you have to do 23 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:30,159 all the old snowplows and everything in five hundred layers? Yes, yes, 24 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:40,319 yes they have. They have to salt the roads. I mean it's when 25 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:45,240 it snows here, it snows and it gets cold. I mean, everything 26 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:52,000 gets icy. It's it's crazy. My friend in Indiana he drives a snowplow, 27 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,199 and I've said to him, it's like, do you ever get the 28 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:00,520 snowplow stuck? And it's like, and who one sticks the snowplow? And 29 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:01,919 he was like, hell, yeah, we do get stuck down the side 30 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,400 rose And it's like, I can't imagine like a snowplower getting stuck and having 31 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:10,520 to be pulled out by something else. Yeah, I can't even imagine that 32 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:17,080 level of snow. It's it's not so much snow you have to worry about. 33 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,639 It's the ice. Uh. The ice is when it gets really bad 34 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:32,960 because the icehole it'll tear power lines out and make the road slick and oh 35 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:38,039 nightmare. I hate driving. I hate driving on the ice. Yeah, 36 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:44,759 yeah, I hate walking on ice. I'm like Bambi and it's name that 37 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,919 I well, thank you so much and thank you for giving us an insight 38 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,639 where it's like where you're at the moment. Like I said, this is 39 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Jade Jade I'm familiar with on TikTok with his TikTok handle ye old golf. 40 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:03,000 So could you tell me a little bit about the inspiration, What's what started? 41 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,879 What started that for you? Where were you at when you decided this 42 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,039 is what you wanted to do and what kind of content do you share. 43 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:17,079 I was laying on my couch one day, actually, just scrolling through TikTok 44 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:30,000 and sorry, yeah, I was laying on my couch one day just screwing 45 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:36,240 around, and uh, I came upon this guy on TikTok, the Appalachian 46 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:46,000 Son. He's a former rawtician and his great grandmother was a witch. I 47 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:56,720 practiced the old folk magic ways of the area da Aplectic Mountains, and uh. 48 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:01,399 I watched every one of these videos and I got to telling my girlfriend 49 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:05,199 about it, and she's like, well, you grew up with a witch. 50 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,600 I mean you've been around witchcraft, the occult, paranormal, that stuff 51 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:12,680 your entire life. You have stories, I've heard them. She's like, 52 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,319 I've met your family. You guys sat around and joked about this stuff. 53 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:19,519 I was like, yeah, she goes, you could do it. I 54 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:25,920 was like, okay, So I made this video one night in the parking 55 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,800 lot of work and it has one point four million views. Now, wow, 56 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:34,920 yeah, that was a bit of a shock. It's insane. I 57 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:40,759 did not think anybody was going to be interested in hearing these stories about me 58 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,199 growing up with this spooky old woman. But people love it because I'm telling 59 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,040 you, when the old witch walked in the room, the temperature changed. 60 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:55,240 That is the only way to explain it. She it did not take you 61 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:58,560 but two seconds of being near her to figure out she was coming at you 62 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:04,040 from a completely different angle. And that's just how it was. Did that 63 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:11,800 was was that kind of energetic difference a little bit scary for folks or was 64 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,399 it just like a respect thing, you know, like you just felt people 65 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:19,040 the creeps. She gave the neighbors the creeps. Now I have to understand 66 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:25,000 to me, she was just my nana, you know. She pat me 67 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,879 on the head, told me I was a good boy, and made amazing 68 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,199 cookies. But huge Redman, drank moonshine, cursed like a sailor, and 69 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,199 people gave her plenty of birth when she walked through somewhere. I mean, 70 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:42,720 that's yeah, that's isn't it. That the aspiration to be that witch? 71 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,519 Yeah she was. I mean she hexted the neighbors one time untill they moved. 72 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:53,000 I mean, and that's no joke. I watched it happen. So 73 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,680 so you didn't want to get on a bad side. Then basically you just 74 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:02,959 you did kicking cookies, keep your sweet she uh, you know, I 75 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,800 was. She lived with us because I was the quiet one. I mean, 76 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:12,439 she was old by the time I came around. So she lived with 77 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:16,720 us because I was the quiet one. And yeah, it did not take 78 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:24,600 you long of being around her to understand that she was not playing with you. 79 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,360 You're going to do things her way whether you liked it or not. 80 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:31,519 And that was just how she carried herself, and there were consequences to your 81 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:35,680 actions with her. But she was also a very very sweet woman too. 82 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:41,360 So she had an altar in the backyard to what she called the little folk. 83 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,480 They have different names around the world. One of them and in the 84 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,959 United Kingdom, in England and Ireland they called them the fae. In eastern 85 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,720 Kentucky, I grew up hearing them called the little folk. And she had 86 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:59,800 a tree stump out in the backyard and she would take this big picture and 87 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:03,800 she woul dump two huge scoops of sugar in it, like huge mounds of 88 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,160 sugar in this and fill it up with water and she'd stir it and she'd 89 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,279 start humming. And I can still see her doing this in my head as 90 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:16,399 clear as day. And they used to have this candy mix. It came 91 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:22,000 into a huge bag back in the seventies and eighties that was unwrapped. Everybody 92 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,720 had it on their kitchen table, you know, nobody ever ate it, 93 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,639 but or on their coffee table. Nobody ever actually ate out of it. 94 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,360 But she would take that and dump it out there, and we had uh 95 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Bugler tobacco. They still sell it here. She kept a pouch of that 96 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:43,440 in her pocket, she'd pull it out. She'd take this pitcher of water, 97 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:46,480 sit it on the tree stump. She would take this bag of candy 98 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,080 and fill up this glass bowl with this candy. And she would take Bugler 99 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,679 tobacco and fill this metal bowl up with it and leave it outside and it 100 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,559 would be gone inside a day. And I don't mean like she snuck out 101 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,480 there and threw it all out or the raccoons got it. I mean the 102 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:07,759 stuff never moved, but it would be empty within the day. So yeah, 103 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,879 And I'm sitting here telling my girlfriend this stuff, right, and she 104 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,720 is looking at me like snakes are falling out of my mouth. I'm like, 105 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:18,320 what do you mean you didn't have witchcraft? And because my fat my 106 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,879 dad's a Vietnam fete too, I was like, what do you mean you 107 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,559 didn't have witchcraft and liberal politics for breakfast of the morning, And she's like, 108 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,879 no, I ate cereal and watch cartoons. I thought everyone had a 109 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:39,159 spooky old woman in the family. Hey, everyone not so much. Now, 110 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,960 Yeah, had a perfectly normal childhood. So I started telling people about 111 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:52,639 it. I think, okay, And I think as well, the when 112 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,399 you recall when you talk about the stories of your name, there's such an 113 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:01,480 endearment as well. There these are fun memory because she's smile when you talk 114 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,000 about them as well. Yeah she was. I'm telling you, she was 115 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,919 the coolest old woman there ever was. I would not have traded how I 116 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:18,200 grew up. I'm literally the result of a genius non vet, his hippie 117 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,200 wife and their witch mom raising a baby together. Because my parents were in 118 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,240 their forties when I was born, my brothers and sisters were already older. 119 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:31,679 They were late teens. YadA YadA, YadA, had jobs. So she 120 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,200 lived with us because out of all the younger kids, I was the quiet 121 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,399 one, and my brothers and sisters were always coming by and picking me up 122 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:43,679 and that kind of thing. And I genuinely just liked hanging out with my 123 00:10:43,799 --> 00:10:46,840 nana and my mom and my dad. I was quite a happy child, 124 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:52,759 so but yeah, it was a great, great way to grow up. 125 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,279 It was a lot of fun. We used to go walking through the woods 126 00:10:56,279 --> 00:11:03,759 to collect dead animals and raw and phones and all kinds of fun stuff. 127 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,360 She chewed redman, drank moonshine, and she'd stand on ten toes and tell 128 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:15,159 you she was a witch. With a single fuck given. I mean, 129 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:18,519 sorry for my language, but she did not give a fuck what you thought 130 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:22,519 about her or anyone else. But she raised that way herself. Then is 131 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:28,279 you know, like steeped in it from childhood basically aself. I remember asking 132 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:33,360 her one time, Nana, where did you learn this stuff? And she 133 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:37,440 goes, I learned it from my mama, just like I taught your mama, 134 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,639 and just like I'm teaching you, according to her, and now this 135 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,639 is just what she told me, and it's been you know, thirty five 136 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:52,759 forty years ago. According to her, her she asked her grandmother or her 137 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:58,720 grandmother told her that her grandmother was a witch, and that when her grandmother 138 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:05,559 asked her grandmother her grandmother was a witch too, she said yes. So 139 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:11,240 this goes back several generations. This is just something that gets packed. This 140 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:16,039 is perfectly normal to my children. You know, there's growing up around the 141 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,240 occult witchcraft. YadA, YadA, YadA, is perfectly normal to them. 142 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:26,600 It's just somehow, it's just how our family is. You know, It's 143 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:31,519 not something any of us ever shied away from. I think if it is 144 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,840 a family normality, then it's less likely too, isn't it. Like you 145 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:41,799 said, for you when you was talking to your partner, it was shocking 146 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,559 that actually they didn't have that in their family. And I think it's really 147 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,200 cool that you're able to trace that back into your ancestry as well. So 148 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:58,799 the waters were really really deep. Yeah, and like I said, perfectly 149 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:01,639 normal to my children. I mean this year for Christmas, on Christmas morning, 150 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:07,639 we sat around the Christmas tree reading each other's Tarot cards. So I 151 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,080 mean that's what we did on Christmas morning at my house. So that gives 152 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,320 you any kind of insight. Ah, always Christmas. I think it's like 153 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,879 your Christmas Tarot. I like that the new family tradition we read we read 154 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:28,360 each other's Tarot cards on Christmas morning because we all got Tarot cards for Christmas 155 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:39,720 gift. That's brilliant. That is a really cool gift. Yeah. Do 156 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,759 you have one set of Tarot cards and all with these all new fore you 157 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,679 guys, like if you do you use anyway? Or was this just like 158 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:54,720 a new thing for everyone playing cards? My original experience with tarot cards with 159 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,639 what was with playing cards? I actually do a p s A on my 160 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,960 TikTok about it about scams card readers can run on you. But my first 161 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,240 exposure to taro was when the old witch read my tarot cards for me with 162 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,519 a deca tarot cards that was old as time itself. She said she bought 163 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,879 them at a general store when she was a kid. And I have a 164 00:14:16,919 --> 00:14:22,440 TikTok up. It's actually me in a robe and a wig and glass as 165 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:26,720 dressed up as my nana. My first day kindergarten. To get me to 166 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,000 stop having a fit and get in the car with my parents, she read 167 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,440 my tarot cards for me to tell me what kind of day I was going 168 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:43,279 to have, and I read on live. I do readings with a deca 169 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,759 playing cards. You know. I'll do a general reading for you for free, 170 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,600 just because it's something I enjoy doing when I'm in the mood to do 171 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,399 it now. My children, on the other hand, my children actually have 172 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,720 tarot cards. They're more interested in that angle of it, so to speak. 173 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,799 But me, I just love doing it with a regular old deck of 174 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,600 playing cards. I have a deck of Fay cards. I like to use 175 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:13,679 a lot, and I have a couple of different decks laying around. Do 176 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,639 you find the energy read is different between the taro and the normal playing cards 177 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:20,919 or do you just not notice any different so other than like say, style 178 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:28,120 with the card do do you find it a different experience. Yes, I've 179 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,720 got no better way to explain this. Doing it with playing cards cardamancy. 180 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,720 For some reason, it just feels very natural to me, and I think 181 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,120 because it was my first exposure to it, and I remember watching her do 182 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:46,759 it, and I remember watching her do readings for my brothers and sisters and 183 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,399 for friends and for neighbors and whatever. And we were taught to do it 184 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,519 on a I was taught to do it on a barber system. I was 185 00:15:52,519 --> 00:16:00,679 taught to never charge anybody for what you do or what a long craft work 186 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:07,159 for them. You know, if somebody wanted to throw you some a little 187 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:11,840 bit of money for whatever I wanted to offer you something, that's one thing. 188 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,840 But to never actually charge for it. And cardimancy, just for some 189 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,879 reason, it comes very natural to me, and it's something I enjoy doing. 190 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,240 In high school, I used to do it for cigarettes and for CDs 191 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,440 and books and stuff like that. I would swat people card readings for it. 192 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,519 But that was, you know, many moons ago. Now, So 193 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,240 the way we look at that is the exchange of energy, isn't it. 194 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:38,440 So you're given energy and they're given energy in return. Takes good a good 195 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:47,919 balance and a good flow. Well, I've I enjoy doing it too. 196 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,600 It just for some reason, doing it with playing cards just feels like it 197 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:57,600 comes from within for me rather than tarot. Tarot feels like effort, If 198 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:03,000 that makes any kind of sense. I agree. I really struggle with tarot 199 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,839 cards myself. I like oracle cards, but I find it really difficult to 200 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:15,920 look at taro and have clear scene with it. I can do taro, 201 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:21,720 it just taro feels like a lot to me, and it always has its 202 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,920 compared to taking just a you know I have on my lives. I make 203 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,039 a joke, but it's I have a handy dandy quick reference sheet and I 204 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,039 just prop that up and I'll go to it. I'll sit and read cards 205 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:37,400 all day and you know, five six at the time, just because I 206 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:42,559 woke up that day and I felt like doing card readings for people. So 207 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:47,079 so talking about your TikTok, So when I first actually come across you, 208 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,160 particular TikTok that I think I was looking at was the hot foot powder TikTok. 209 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:57,799 And I've never heard of hot foot powder being created in the way that 210 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:06,319 you explain, it's really interesting. Is there a particular TikTok or content that 211 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,279 is more popular and what is that? What do you what do you mean? 212 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,920 Is there more Well, the thing about hot foot powder is is everywhere 213 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:22,119 in America has their own recipe for it. Every North American tradition has a 214 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:30,480 completely different way about making everything. American witchcraft is just like Americans. We're 215 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:36,359 all completely different and we love to argue about it. That's just how it 216 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,799 is. And so I have friends from Louisiana who will tell you how to 217 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:42,119 make it one way. I have friends from New York that will tell you 218 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,240 how to make it one way. You know, the West coast, there's 219 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:55,400 the Native American traditions. But yeah, as far as my content, yeah, 220 00:18:55,559 --> 00:19:00,119 there's the hexes and the curses and stuff like that seem to be what 221 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,519 people are interested in. Those are the ones that get a lot of views, 222 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:10,440 not my little comedy ones. Sometimes my sigil ones are starting to get 223 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,680 a lot of views too, But this is really informative. The situal ones 224 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,880 are really informative. I really enjoyed, like secular ones of yours. I'm 225 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,880 glad you like them, Mom, I have an entire notebook I'm working on 226 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:30,039 full of them. So she taught me how to draw sigils in the bottom 227 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:37,200 of our fireplace with a stick. So, because it gets incredibly cold in 228 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,759 eastern Kentucky, like it's, it gets insanely cold in a daph Lata region 229 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:48,400 period. And the other thing about growing up out there, it does not 230 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,039 take you very long of standing in Apple Asia to realize you're standing on very 231 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:57,599 ancient ground. Daph Lachian Mountains are some of the oldest mountains in the world. 232 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,880 I think they're actually the old But you know, I'm not that much 233 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,400 of a history I'm a history nerd, but I don't know it that specifically. 234 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:11,079 But it does not take you long of being there to realize you're standing 235 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,599 somebody is very, very old. And she used to tell me when I 236 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,000 was little. She used to say, son, there's just things up in 237 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,119 these hills, in these mountains that are older than time and memorial. That's 238 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,480 how she worded it. She goes, and our family is just connected into 239 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:33,599 it, and that's just how it is, because it's just the natural way 240 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:38,960 of things passed down through our family. So I think that's why the fake 241 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,960 magic is so strong out there, because that history allows that energy. That's 242 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:55,119 exactly why it's so strong out there. That's why there's so many different legends 243 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,000 from one end of appalache To to the other. That's why there's so much 244 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:04,279 folklore in the area, so many different kinds of folk practitioners out there. 245 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:11,119 I mean, because folk magic in the northern end of apple Aia is completely 246 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,440 different from the southern end. But it's all very much like a vein that 247 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:19,200 runs through the area. It's the one thing that kind of connects us all 248 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:26,000 as we're all steeped in folklore and death up there. It is quite extreme 249 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,559 that those types of like you said, ef folket traditions do seem to be 250 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,160 very closely linked to death and the other side as well, don't they. 251 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:41,480 It's a very visceral kind of magic of sorts, isn't it. I issue 252 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:48,720 absolutely yeah. And it's like I said, it just does not take you 253 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:56,079 very long of standing there to realize you're someplace quite old. The air is 254 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:04,359 different, the ground feels different. There's that, you know, there's a 255 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,599 lot of things out in the woods in that area. She used to tell 256 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:12,000 me all kinds of little rules about going into the woods out there. I 257 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,400 used to see things out in the woods walking with her, and she'd be 258 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,119 like, no, you didn't, No, you didn't. Just don't pay 259 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,440 attention to it, okay, Like you leave them alone, they'll leave you 260 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:27,440 alone, okay. And so I grew up just not being scared of this 261 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:34,640 stuff. So there is no You mentioned that there was a story that I 262 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:40,759 remember listening to by yourself about whistling in the woods. Yeah, because you 263 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:45,279 don't know what you're going to be calling in. You don't whistle in the 264 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,839 woods because you don't want you don't want to give your location away. You 265 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:55,359 don't want people to or whatever's out there to know you're out there and you 266 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,759 don't know what's going to answer your call. Is the way it was explained 267 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:02,880 to me when I was a child. And there's things called mimics out in 268 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,640 the woods which will mimic your behavior and trick you into, you know, 269 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:15,640 in a disoriating type of way, and bad things can happen. But yeah, 270 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,559 never gaze off into the tree line because you never know what's gonna be 271 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:25,640 staring back at you. As another one, I don't know if you guys 272 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,880 have them there if you would even know what I'm talking about. Actually, 273 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,000 I think over there they're called Winston Churchills. But here we have these cigars 274 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,599 called King Edwards. They were very long and about that fat, and she 275 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,160 used to carry. She used to keep a box of them around, even 276 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,519 though she didn't smoke. And before we would go into the woods, she 277 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,519 would take a pocket knife out of her pocket, split one down the middle 278 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,039 and put an acorner or a rock on each side of it to hold it 279 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,240 open. And she would tell me in a real whispered tone, and she's 280 00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,319 like the ones she was talking about, the little folks. She'd go, 281 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,480 the ones in the woods, like Richard Tobacco. We leave an offering for 282 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:06,519 them. They'll keep the big things off of us. But oh okay. 283 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,880 And she would unwrap some peppermints and leave it beside. She's like, they're 284 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:15,240 like peppermints too, went by the house like regular candy. And I'm like 285 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:25,000 five years old looking up at this spooky old woman hearing this stuff. Yeah, 286 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,759 you don't whistle on the woods, you don't. Yeah. She cuffed 287 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:32,119 me upside the skull one time, the first, last and only time I've 288 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,720 ever whistled in the woods. In my entire life, I learned that lesson 289 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:44,799 real quick. Any other thing you need to do? Say sorry? I 290 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:47,279 was gonna say, is there are there any other things that you need to 291 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,440 do? So we've got to make the offering. Don't look in the tree 292 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,160 line and don't whistle in the woods. Is there anything else? That's the 293 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:59,079 most I can tell you. Yeah. If you ever come across a man 294 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,599 in a very nice trope smoking a long pipe, and this isn't a gandolfer, 295 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,599 a Merlin Joe, keep walking. He goes by many names on a 296 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,160 lot of different places, BUTU my name. I called him a trickster and 297 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:18,839 a conjuror of cheap tricks. Okay. If you hear a baby crying in 298 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,920 the woods, no you didn't. If you hear a woman screaming in the 299 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,759 woods, no you didn't. If you hear someone calling your name in the 300 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:30,680 woods, no you didn't. If you see someone down the trail that looks 301 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,279 like you wait, or looks familiar to you, like someone you may know, 302 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,000 waving at you and beckoning you, no you didn't. Keep walking. 303 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,400 Basically, you sort of like you have the trail you go on the trail. 304 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,240 You stay on the trail, and you focus on the trail, and 305 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:51,319 that's you stick to what you're doing out there, and you don't mess with 306 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,440 whatever crosses as a way to some all that up. You go about your 307 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:03,480 business because the other out there trying to get you were attention. I'm only 308 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,960 asking because the woods near me we don't have like wildwoods, but I used 309 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,559 to when we were doing lockdown. I started walking them, and I'd never 310 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,160 felt like I was on my own. And it was only when I started 311 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,160 leaving like offerings of flowers and things that I started seeing stuff. And I 312 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,039 was never quite sure if leaving the offerings was the right thing to do, 313 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,359 or whether that was what was getting their attention. And that's when I started 314 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,079 seeing things. And I was never quite sure whether I should have just carried 315 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,640 on walking and not engaged, or whether leaving the offering is what kept me 316 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:44,799 safer. I was always in a bit conflict about it, or little hillbilly 317 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,799 opinion. Okay, leaving the offering is what was keeping you safe, not 318 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,119 what was causing you to see things, and going on about your your interest 319 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,599 in your business was the best course of action you could have taken. Oh, 320 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,799 that's good to know. That is I've been questioning it for the last 321 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:03,359 teak because I've not been to the woods for the last year and half since 322 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,720 I saw something very big walking across the path in front of me and I 323 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:15,079 was just like, how I should be. Here's like experience, isn't it 324 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:22,119 when you actually come across something in the woods on your own? Yet somebody 325 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,039 with you, but you know, sometimes you just got to go into the 326 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,319 woods by yourself. Yeah, definitely. Well that's good to know. Then 327 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:36,400 I shall carry on with that practice. Yeah, leave an offering and keep 328 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:41,119 going about whatever it is you're doing. Don't worry about them, because when 329 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,640 you start worrying about what they're doing, it's already too late. Okay. 330 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:51,440 So this is really interesting. And the reason I say that is because one 331 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,759 of the places that I go on paranorl investigations is the woods, and we 332 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,680 call out and we ask if anyone's there, and we've had some really interesting 333 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:08,359 interactions, and in particular, I had this really difficult. My first time 334 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,680 ever going into an investigation was in one of the oldest woods in my area, 335 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,599 and there's lots of history. It's back onto a woman's prison that held 336 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:25,920 one of the most infamous women murderers in the UK, and there was a 337 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:30,000 really strong interaction with the spirit box and there was a few of us, 338 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:37,160 so we used an SP seven spirit box which is just scanned and am frequencies, 339 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:41,400 and there was a group of us and a really deep voice come through 340 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,839 and it scared some, some left and some stayed. But before we separated 341 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400 and winning different ways, there was ten of us and we had this man 342 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:59,839 come through and there was this particular man was linked to an infamous male which 343 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200 was linked to that wood, and we asked how many people were here and 344 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,240 he said six and four, So like this is weird. And then a 345 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,480 really loud noise come through and that's when we separated. And once we separated, 346 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,759 we realized that four people were one side of the woods and six people 347 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,880 were the other side of the woods, so like, that's really that's really 348 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,440 messed up. And even then it was in a clearance, so it was 349 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,839 completely surrounded by a tree line, and I felt a bit like Bambi Mum 350 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:36,400 in the woods. It's really strange and I'm very I find it very hard 351 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,799 now to go back to those woods, especially any woods. And an investigation 352 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,680 I won't go into the woods at night under any circumstances. You're far braver 353 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:51,359 than I am. I wouldn't think, honestly, take a small miracle to 354 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,160 get me to go into any form of woods in the middle of the night 355 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,440 just because of a matter of fact. The last if I've ever been into 356 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,720 the woods at night, it was because I was out there camping doing when 357 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:07,000 I was a teenager, you know, or something like that. You're braver 358 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,400 than I am. That's what I've got to say about that. I wouldn't 359 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,759 have been out there doing it. I wasn't brave at all. In fact, 360 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:21,279 I'm one of the ones that left. Yeah, not brave at all. 361 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:23,839 But I do go an investigation still, but I just trying not to 362 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:32,119 do it in loads of woods. So we've moving a little bit away from 363 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,759 the old ways of witchcraft. What are your experiences? Have you got any 364 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:41,440 experiences paranormal related or anything that you feel connects to Oh, tons of them. 365 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,759 I mean this is you know, this has just been my life. 366 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,720 The paranormal, witchcraft, the occult and you know, weird stuff has been 367 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:59,880 my life my entirely. I've gone on paranormal hunts, you know, I've 368 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,200 had I had friends who were into the Alistair Crowley thing. My first roommates 369 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,359 were into Alistair Crowley, and our our house started speaking a language I didn't 370 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,599 understand, and neither did anyone else. And then me and my friend, 371 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,079 my one friend, my one roommate decided it was time to move out, 372 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,519 leave them to whatever they were doing, because the house would start growling. 373 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:27,920 So, I mean, I've seen ghosts, you name it. I actually 374 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:34,519 just took my children and my friends up here to Skaya took Oklahoma. There's 375 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:38,880 a place called the Witch's Grave up there in a very old cemetery. That 376 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,240 place is haunted every time I go up there. If I go up there 377 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,640 at night, I've had an experience. So yeah, I've been on investigations. 378 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:56,279 This is my life, I guess, and I just didn't realize anybody 379 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:00,799 would ever be interested in it. Honestly, I never thought tillion years I'd 380 00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:06,160 be sitting here doing a podcast with two people from England about this stuff. 381 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,240 So this is actually my very first interview I've ever done. Oh wow, 382 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:15,480 we're privileged then, because it's it's fascinating. So we appreciate you coming on 383 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,319 and talking to us to be fair. It's fascinating. I thought I had 384 00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,160 a perfectly normal life and a perfectly normal childhood. Do I started telling people 385 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,680 about it, Yeah, things like that, though, isn't it. It's 386 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:32,559 like you sort of you don't realize that it's not seen as being natural when 387 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,680 it is natural to you. When you find that people don't think of it 388 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,599 as natural, I mean, I mean I get it with the horses. 389 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:45,319 I get communications from animals, and I don't think it's unusual, whereas other 390 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:49,160 people like, oh no, they can't understand you. Don't be silly, 391 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,279 and I'm like, they do, and it's like you never questioned it before, 392 00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:57,279 and I was just like, what do you mean? I never questioned 393 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:04,200 it, because at all you're one. I never questioned why I enjoyed spooky 394 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,000 materials, why I enjoyed horror movies, why I was interested in the occult, 395 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,359 et cetera, et cetera at a very young age, and always have 396 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,599 been. I've always kind of felt like the outcast no matter where I was, 397 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,039 until I started telling people about it, and then I'm like, oh 398 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:27,119 wait, this isn't everyone else's normal. You know, no, no talk 399 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,000 of horror films? What's your favorite horror film of all times. Yeah, 400 00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:38,759 oh man, damn you. I don't have to go with Exorcists. I 401 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:49,920 really liked the original Exorcist. I really like the original Ambityville Horror and Bram 402 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,640 Stoker's Dracula would actually it's actually my absolute favorite movie ever. Wow, yes, 403 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,599 I literally I think it was. In November I went to Brown's Castle. 404 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,480 You were a Solar. Oh. It was the best thing in the 405 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,719 world. I will say a few things I've noted. It's situated in the 406 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,760 most beautiful area. It is phenomenal. It is really high up if you're 407 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,320 scared of heights, is really high up, and it literally is the top 408 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,000 of a huge I want to say, it's like a like a mountain, 409 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:30,000 but it's on top of it. And it's so small inside, really small, 410 00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:36,800 but it is beautiful. Ray bit to go there, it was amazing. 411 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:42,159 I'm actually going to get a tattoo of Laddie and Paler. That's a 412 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,599 fanboy for that guy. I am just the whole you know, standing up 413 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:53,400 to the Ottoman Empire and yeah, I have a really informative We was really 414 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,480 lucky. We went with this tour guide and he drove it. We went 415 00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:02,159 to Perez and then off, I'm not pronouncing that correctly, but that's what 416 00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,840 we went for it, and he gave us the talk on Laddie Impala and 417 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,920 I recorded it all so I'll send it over to you and you can have 418 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:16,519 a look. We love to see that. Please. Have you got a 419 00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:23,880 movie Dracula Untold? No, you should. It's a combination of the classic 420 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:32,159 Dracula story and the Lady Impaler Night backstory. It's kind of a combination of 421 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:37,760 the two and it's very good and there's a sequel coming out, so speaking 422 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,239 of that, it's called Dracula Untold. It's probably about ten years old now, 423 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:46,679 but it's kind of the backstory legend and into the spooky part about Dracula. 424 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,800 I really enjoyed it. You were talking about the area and that's what 425 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:54,599 made me think of it. Yeah, no, absolutely, I'll have a 426 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,440 look. I mean, it's interesting because obviously there's also a place in the 427 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:06,239 UK which is there's a monument that's dedicated to Dracula. It was the inspiration 428 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,719 we got whitby as well. That's quite linked to some of the inspiration around 429 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,000 Dracula. But it's amazing how all these things come together and the story of 430 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:21,199 Ladd and how it come about. It's already fascinating. So you mentioned before 431 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,360 Exorcist. One of the topics we have coming up hopefully in the next couple 432 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:29,000 of weeks is curses linked to horror films, and Exorcist is one of those 433 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,920 that have lots of that alleged to be curses. So what are your thoughts 434 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:44,480 on that? I mean, you know, we have an expression here I 435 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,719 heard quite a lot growing up. If you knock on the door, eventually 436 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:53,039 somebody's gonna answer. So yeah, I firmly leeve that. There's also several 437 00:36:53,079 --> 00:37:01,400 stories attached to the movie Poltergeist like that too. Sometimes it's just having that 438 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:13,840 much amalgamated energy in one spot having so much to do with certain subjects, 439 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,159 having so much just energy focused in an area. On that, Yeah, 440 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:25,719 I fully believe crazy stuff happened on the set of just that. That's just 441 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,440 the nature of these things. You know. What I mean think about is, 442 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:37,440 if you've got a film set, you've got x hundred people, a 443 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,920 certain percentage of them are going to be psychic anyway, So the energy they're 444 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,760 creating is got to attract attention, because, like you say, their focus 445 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:52,480 is on so whether it wittingly or unwittingly, that energy is there somewhere in 446 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,840 an EmPATH. I mean, and that was really all it would take, 447 00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:00,440 you know, to really something going, especially if there was multiple impass or 448 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:07,559 people who were into a cult or had some sort of I don't necessarily like 449 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:12,639 the term psychic, but some kind of you know, connection somewhere. Yeah, 450 00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,920 it wouldn't take a whole lot to get the whole place really hop and 451 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:21,039 real quick. You know, especially if you happen to pix certain locations that 452 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,480 already had a degree of like you say, energy in them. Anyway, 453 00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:31,280 you know, it's bound to be a recipe for especially there's just that much 454 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,079 energy in the subject matter, is where I was going with that. You 455 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,760 know, when you're making a movie about the Exorcist, about you know, 456 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,880 exercising the devil from a little girl who was playing with a Ouiji board, 457 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,719 I mean, that's just that's the energy to get stuff started right there. 458 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,159 I mean, thinking about it, you can kind of almost sense you know, 459 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,920 into it is. Yeah, it's and genuinely it created a space, 460 00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:06,199 isn't it. It actually created a space for something to be able to come 461 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,760 in. And I mean I mean that film. That is trauma for a 462 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,679 lot of people as well. I know my sister, my middle sister, 463 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:22,199 Captain Howdy. As soon as she saw Aloft and anyone even mentioned Captain Howdy, 464 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,760 that's it she was. She was not going to be waiting around for 465 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,679 anyone. There's a lot of trauma as well. So that's added, isn't 466 00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:34,400 it. Really it made the drummer from Leonard Skinnard lose his mind. So 467 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:40,519 yeah, that's story. I just speaking of The Exorcist, I watched this 468 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:45,760 movie on Netflix about the band Leonard Skynerd and uh, after going to see 469 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,519 The Exorcist, the drummer had a schizophrenic breakdown. There. There's s about 470 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,800 people who the first time that movie came out, jumped up and ran screaming 471 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,199 out of the theater. So and it's still a powerful movie to this day. 472 00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,920 And the same went for the Amityville Horror as well, isn't it? 473 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,119 Because the problem with not the problem The thing about Amityville Horror was it's based 474 00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:16,440 on real events. It's based on a true story. Although it might not 475 00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:22,280 be, there's documentations that you can link to it. Yeah, there's just 476 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,639 evidence that could be linked to it. It's dramatized. Well, yeah, 477 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,000 I okay, I'm about to stick my foot in my mouth. I know 478 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:36,559 I'm going to uh just going to get a backlash, but honestly, I 479 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:42,880 don't care. I take the everything that comes from Edwin Lorraine Warren exactly as 480 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,199 it is for entertainment purposes, because there's a there's a lot of other stories 481 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:54,519 about Edwin Lorraine Warren being very shape and having purposely telling people, you know, 482 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,880 just embellish the details for the books. That's just a fact of the 483 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,480 matter when it comes to anything related to ed and Lorraine Warren, be it 484 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:09,599 Amityville, be it Annabelle, be it anything like that. They're great stories, 485 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:13,440 but you have to you have to take them for what they are, 486 00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:19,400 and my my humble opinion stories because ed and Loraine Warren were their own pr 487 00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:23,639 agents and they didn't let the facts get in the way of a great story. 488 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,280 Let's put it that way. And yeah, William Dafao, Ronald Dafao 489 00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:31,960 did claim that, you know, his house was possessed by the devil and 490 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:37,239 he heard voices that made him do that. But Ronald d Fao also did 491 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,280 a lot of acid too, So there was so in particular. There is 492 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:50,000 a parapsychologist bluff of me. I cannot remember his name, but I love 493 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:57,559 him. And he works with a which a U. K orientated, which 494 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,719 called Sybil Lake. She come over into the US and she did some work 495 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:10,880 on the Amityville and there was another medium that worked with her and they investigated 496 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:20,079 the Amityville horror and they worked independently from the Warrens. And you can listen 497 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,079 to the recordings. I'm going to have a I'll have a quick look whilst 498 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:30,400 was the guy had the holes a file hands Holzer, So, Hans Holzer 499 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,079 was a US parapsychologist. The thing I liked about him the most was that 500 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,559 he would work with mediums. Parapsychology they don't tend to work with mediums because 501 00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:44,199 they look at the science behind things, whereas he did. And there's lots 502 00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:51,199 of recordings of Sybil League, who is an infamous badass. She is absolutely 503 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:57,400 amazing, but she's the recordings of her at the haunting at the Amityville whilst 504 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,000 we were doing the investigation, and I always found them quite inside. Just 505 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,400 an idea of what's happening at the time doesn't necessarily mean you know it is 506 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:09,719 or it isn't. But I mean, no matter what, a man murders 507 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,679 his entire family and that house in cold Blood, yeah, I mean, 508 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,280 that are just unmistakable. So I have no qualms that the place is probably 509 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,119 haunted. I would even go as far as to say it's haunted just because 510 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,639 of the tragy that did happen there and that kind of energy just being on 511 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:37,639 the property is just I look at everything Ed Lorraine Warren through the eyes of 512 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:43,440 a hardcore skeptic, and I just can't work around that. So while the 513 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,519 movies the story is good and their stories are very, very interesting, there's 514 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,400 no denying that Ronald de Fao Junior shot his entire family. So I'm sure 515 00:43:52,440 --> 00:44:00,360 there is some crazy stuff going on there. Absolutely is there a particular research 516 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:06,519 into i alleged haunting that you find. I mean there's lots of case studies, 517 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,159 is what I'm talking about, lots of different case studies across the world. 518 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,119 Is there a particular case study that you actually find, you know, 519 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:21,000 there's there's validity there, there's the evidence. Oh yeah, I mean there's 520 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:24,400 the Myrtle's Plantation in Saint John's Parish, Louisiana. It's supposedly one of the 521 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:30,039 most haunted places on earth. I've seen footage from that place that is undeniable, 522 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:35,599 that objects are moving, that there is you know, sound, you're 523 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,800 hearing voices. The Stanley Hotel, which is what the shining is based on, 524 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:45,960 the exact same thing. Uh. There the Bell Witch in Tennessee. 525 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,639 The Bell Witch legendary, the most legendary hauntings in American history, and even 526 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,400 Andrew Jackson experienced it, uh from US president back of the day. There 527 00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,920 there's a lot of very credible, credible what is it, the Infield Poultergeist. 528 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,199 Yes, yeah, we have it. Yeah in the UK. You 529 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,599 know, there is a ton of credible, incredible evidence of hauntings out there. 530 00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:15,760 It's just when it comes to Ed Lorraine Warren's part of it, I 531 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,920 auto acually go, wait a minute, hang on, hang on, that's 532 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,639 fair, that's fair enough. I have I have come across a few people 533 00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:30,360 that have had that opinion that seems to say everything needs to be taken with 534 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:37,880 a pincher salt. According to the guy who wrote that book, they they 535 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,840 had a whole lot to say about it to where they The way it comes 536 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,599 across to me is that they they really were not interested in the facts of 537 00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:51,440 anything. They were interested in, you know, never let the facts get 538 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,199 in the way of a good story. Expression. You'll hear in the United 539 00:45:55,199 --> 00:46:01,360 States a lot, and that's just how I come to it from them. 540 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:08,559 So, talking of expressions, I watched one of your tiktoks with your none's 541 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:15,840 favorite expressions of the code. Oh man, Yeah. I was like, 542 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,079 do you have a favorite expression of your nunnas that you sort of always stands 543 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,239 out? Or did she just have that many that it just just had that 544 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,840 many. She was a trip, y'all. I mean, that is the 545 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,639 only way to explain it. She was born in nineteen ten, so far 546 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,360 back into the woods of eastern Kentucky that you know. She said, going 547 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,079 to town was going the eight miles through the woods to the little store slash 548 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:46,000 trading post that was on a trail. She was just a character and that's 549 00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:51,719 all there was to it. She was a trip. And she said, 550 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,840 I survived the Great Depression. I don't give a damn what anybody thinks about 551 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,320 what I have to say. And she just said it like it was. 552 00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:02,159 And she just had all these really funny old expressions about everything, like you 553 00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,719 know, it's colder and the witch's tit out here. It's colder in the 554 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,280 well digger's ass. You know you were dumbred then aw shit slapped with the 555 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,119 board is one of my favorite ones. I never quite figured out what that 556 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:31,400 meant, but who yeah, yeah, well another one. Uh. I've 557 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,760 been to three World's Fairs and a goat rodeo and never seen anything as stupid 558 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,360 as you are. I heard her say that to somebody one time when I 559 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,920 was like ten. She wondered where they come from. You know, it's 560 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,199 like somebody that has to either make them up, or do they just evolve 561 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,000 on their own, or just somebody one day just come out with just random 562 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:52,880 stuff and it's like, oh, that sounds really cool. I think, 563 00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:59,239 I personally think from the fact that she started on the Moonshine about ten o'clock 564 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:04,679 in the morning, most Yeah, she definitely sounds like a lady that's seeing 565 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,000 the world quite and experienced a lot as well. So I love that she's 566 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,519 coming from a place of I've been here and I know this. She went 567 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:21,280 from seeing you know, her family gathering around the radio on Saturday night to 568 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,400 listen to the Grand Old Operator during the Great depression because that was the only 569 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,559 entertainment they had to watching me play Nintendo on the floor at the end of 570 00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:32,920 her lifetime, to seeing you know, computers, things like that. She 571 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:39,079 saw it all. Yeah, I love as well about her. She really 572 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:44,039 knew her power. She sat in that, she knew her power, and 573 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:49,679 she didn't move from it. That's phenomenal. I'm a witch. It's witchcraft. 574 00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,199 That's that's what it is. It's witchcraft. I'm a witch. I've 575 00:48:53,199 --> 00:49:00,639 been doing this my whole life everything, I mean, the hexes what people 576 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,280 get, people's attention. But you know, she had a cure for stuff 577 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,480 too, and she loved helping people. She loved talking to people she loved. 578 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,960 I recently made some and gave up to a friend of mine. She 579 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,199 would make witches black salt, put them in baby food jars and seal it 580 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,880 with red wax and give it to somebody she knew who was going through a 581 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,519 hard time or had stuff on their mind, and she'd be like, here, 582 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:28,719 this is this for strength and comfort. There you go. She made 583 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,519 moon water and bottled it up and gave it to people that she knew was 584 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:37,800 going through stuff. She used to cure my colds with She would just go 585 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,320 to the cabinet. If you were sick, she'd mix something up and here, 586 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,480 here, get this down your gullet. It's gonna taste like crap, 587 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:46,960 but just get it all down there. You'll feel better. Next day, 588 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,519 I'd feel better, or my brothers or whoever she was doing this for. 589 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:57,199 And people you know, would come over and they would ask her, you 590 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,719 know, will you read my cards for me? And she was like, 591 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,719 yes, sit down, sit down. Well we'll see what the cars have 592 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:10,239 to say about it. So yeah, I love that I did. She 593 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,840 was a sweet old woman. She was just a spooky old woman, and 594 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,599 that's the only way. Yeah. I think there's worst things that you can 595 00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,000 be in this world. Yeah, one of these days is going to be 596 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:27,079 somebody's spooky old grandpa. I mean it's gonna be kind. It is going 597 00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:31,519 to be amazing. It's definitely an aspiration. Do you have a favorite folk 598 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:37,920 remedy then that you like to use that she passed on to you. Yeah. 599 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,519 Every time I get a cold, I'll still try and cure it with 600 00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:45,599 whiskey. Yeah. The worst cold I ever had in my life, I 601 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:51,760 was like nine years old. I had a sore throat. I was clogged 602 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,360 up. It was absolutely horrible. She went over, took a jar moonshine, 603 00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,360 put some in a teacup, reached in the cabinet, put tabasco sauce, 604 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:06,239 cayenne pepper. Uh, squeezed the lemon in there, and stuck it 605 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,480 in the microwave with this tea and got it a little warm. And she 606 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,840 says, here, put it down your gullet and go to bed. She's 607 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,719 caught your gullet, she goes, Just tip it up, she goes, 608 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,320 it's gonna taste horrible. And uh, I did. And I went to 609 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,119 bed that night, and I woke up the next morning covered and sweat, 610 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:27,760 but I felt better. Oh cool, Yeah, that's quite straightforward remedy. 611 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,960 Then it's easy to remember as well. It was chine or whiskey, lemon 612 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:38,760 juice, some tea, and some cayenne pepper and a squeeze of fresh lemon 613 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,920 and lemon juice, and get it warm and put it down your throat. 614 00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,719 It's gonna taste like crap. You're gonna wake day and your symptoms are gonna 615 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:57,840 start better. Definitely make you sweat everything else. Yeah, put garlic in 616 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,199 your socks until you can taste the garlic and and go to bed. That's 617 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:06,559 a that's another old treatment. She's, uh, you know, the the 618 00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,000 old timer. She used to call it the croup. It was just when 619 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,559 you were feeling run down, when you you just were below health. Basically, 620 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,480 she say, put a glove of garlic in each one of your shoes 621 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,039 and walk around with it until you can taste the garlic, and then go 622 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:28,760 to bed. You'd wake up feeling better. I mean, oh yeah. 623 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,039 So with these remedies, and obviously we've asked you for your favorite, I'm 624 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,119 gonna say I'm gonna speak about the L word. How often you asked? 625 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,719 You said that the spells that you all the things that you're most common the 626 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,719 most interested in is the bayingfall hexes and curses. But what about love spells? 627 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,360 I was taught never to do that. Yeah, but you do not 628 00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:57,760 interfere with someone's free will that way. I have had people message me and 629 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,519 offer me payment to help them with their reship of their love life, to 630 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:06,880 help me them get since I've started doing this to get someone back, YadA, 631 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,159 YadA, YadA. I was taught that that's interfering with someone's free will. 632 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,639 Yeah, very much, you know, yeah, I was. Yeah, 633 00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,039 never start a marriage in a hostage situation. That's how I've seen it. 634 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,760 Well, that's a great way to put that, Never start a marriage 635 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:30,360 with a hostage situation exactly. Yeah. Between interfering with the free will from 636 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,960 a love point of view and interfering with free will from a HET's point of 637 00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:38,960 view, is there a difference? You know what, I feel like there 638 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:44,719 is, and I don't know how to explain that to you. The way 639 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,480 she was, the way I was taught was, and all things that I 640 00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:52,719 balanced must be kept was the rule she always told me. If someone has 641 00:53:53,000 --> 00:54:01,239 genuinely wronged you, someone genuinely deserves what you're doing to them, fine, 642 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:07,239 But forcing someone to have an attraction to you, genuinely forcing someone to do 643 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,199 something, that's a different side of the coins, so to speak, because 644 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:20,360 they didn't necessarily do anything to deserve that. That is of I don't That 645 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,760 does kind of make sense when you sort of when you think about it. 646 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000 You need to think about it a little bit often, so not come across 647 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,000 that idea before. But that does make more sense because in a way, 648 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:32,519 one could argue that if you were hexting someone that didn't deserve it, then 649 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,039 like saying with the balance thing that there is still a choice of whether it 650 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:42,800 works or not. I'm guessing someone or cursing someone that doesn't deserve it. 651 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:50,639 It's very much going to blow back on you. M. It's it comes 652 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:54,519 from you know, you have to keep the balance. If you're just doing 653 00:54:54,599 --> 00:55:01,519 something to be doing it, that's wrong. Yeah, just causing trying to 654 00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,719 cause someone to have nightmares, that that's just because you can. You're coming 655 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,800 from a feeling a place of power over them. If you're doing these works 656 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,039 from a place of power over them, that's when you start to get into 657 00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:22,559 the wrong side of things. And I was always taught you don't. You 658 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:29,519 don't use the craft for love reasons. It's against someone's free will. Yeah, 659 00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,480 you're messing with a different kind of energy as well, in a weird 660 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,960 kind of way. It's it's it's vibing on a different level. And I 661 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,679 mean, you don't want to forcefully change someone to you that's going to be 662 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,920 miserable for being there. M Yeah, miserable for something they've done to you. 663 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,519 That's that's a whole different angle. You know, sometimes you are the 664 00:55:53,960 --> 00:56:01,880 payback people deserve. So yeah, no, I'm on the wrong side of 665 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:07,800 which, Tuck. That's one of the most common spells that I come across 666 00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:12,559 is the make them fall in love with you, make them want to contact 667 00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,000 you right now, and yeah, it is is a I think people will 668 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:21,280 mess with things about really understanding the consequence. Sometimes what we need isn't what 669 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,400 we want, and what we want is and what we need, and I 670 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,800 think that comes into play as well. Sometimes you just do not truly understand 671 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,440 the price you're going to pay for doing things, you know. Yeah, 672 00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:35,920 whether they deserve it or not, there's going to be a price paid, 673 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,159 and if they don't deserve it, the price is going to be way more. 674 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,960 But you're going to be the one pain, you know. Yeah, 675 00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:45,599 the way you put it, you don't start a marriage with the hostage situation, 676 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:52,760 because that's exactly what that would be. Yeah. I feel those messages 677 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,079 and comments all day long. Can you help me with this? Can you 678 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,599 help me with my cheating X? Can you help me find No? I 679 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:07,679 could? I'm not going to Yeah, Okay, We'll coming to the closing 680 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:13,920 of this this segment, So I'm gonna ask you, is there a particular 681 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:19,280 story or a memory that you have of your nana That always makes you smile. 682 00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:27,760 Yeah, there's her reading my tarot card for me, reading my cards 683 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,519 for me for my first day at kindergarten, and her sending me to the 684 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,119 store for her bag of Redman chewing tobacco and giving me enough money for a 685 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,119 mountain dew when I got there. That always makes me smile because we had 686 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:42,440 a store down at the end of the street when we lived in Kentucky and 687 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,079 I'm like five walking down the street to get my nana a bag at chew 688 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,239 and tobacco, and she gave me enough money to get a soda. And 689 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,559 that happened all the time. I miss her. She was. It was 690 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,000 a great way to grow up. She was. She was a blast. 691 00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:59,639 She sounds like a very strong, powerful woman as well. Such an inspiration 692 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,840 for the women in your family. I'm telling you, when the old woman 693 00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:09,639 walked in the room, the temperature change and you knew it. We were 694 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:15,480 criminal. He was the She was the only person he ever called ma'am. 695 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,280 So do you think she's still around now? Do you ever get a sense 696 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,960 of it? Yeah, especially when I'm in my when I was in my 697 00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:28,880 parents my parents live in Florida. When I'm at my parents' house definitely. 698 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:36,400 Yeah. And also the presence that she's got in the world now reaching all 699 00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:43,159 the way into the UK that too. This is insane to me. I've 700 00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:47,320 talked from I've talked to a woman that lived on the edge of the Australian 701 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:54,639 Outback. I have talked to people in Ireland, Canada, the UK, 702 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:00,639 now South Africa. I talked to someone from South Africa last night about their 703 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:06,760 experiences. I've talked to someone from I want to say Georgia, the country, 704 00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:12,400 uh, the Balkans, the easterns uh. It was this is insane. 705 00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:17,280 I never thought this, this sweet but spooky old woman was going to 706 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,440 go viral like this. I was honestly just trying to get a thousand followers 707 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,159 so I could go live and do like my DJ sets on there when I 708 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,800 had nights off for something new. That was my original goal with all of 709 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,280 this. I was just trying to get a thousand followers so I could go 710 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,000 live and have something to do on my nights off. Yeah. Here I 711 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:45,639 am talking to you guys. Yeah, I went viral. No globel awesome. 712 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,960 I thank you for having me. I am I am so incredibly humbled 713 00:59:50,039 --> 01:00:00,239 by every bit of this, Yeah, it's sorry. Can I say hi 714 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,239 to a couple of people? Absolutely? Yes. I want to say hi 715 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,760 to my partner Mariah. I appreciate you, she encouraged me to do all 716 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,760 this. I want to say hi to my kids. And I wanted to 717 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,039 say hey to my friend Corey, who has always been one of my biggest 718 01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:21,800 supporters my whole life, corn Dog or since I moved to Oklahoma. We've 719 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,360 been friends a long time and he's he's done a lot to support me and 720 01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:30,920 the Appalachian Son on TikTok because if I hadn't come across his content, he 721 01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:32,599 was the spark that lit this flame for me. And now I have this 722 01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:37,000 really cool new hobby in this community of people to talk to and interact with, 723 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,480 and it's been an amazing experience. You guys, it has been such 724 01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:45,159 an amazing experience, and I would come back on your show sometime, if 725 01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:53,480 you guys ever want me back, only I would love. I have an 726 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,400 interest in the Belt Witch, the story of the Belt which should I say, 727 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,559 rather than the Belwitch themselves, and I had a little podcast before kind 728 01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,960 of just going over the generic information, but I would love to talk about 729 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:09,239 that more with you, so let's get booked in absolutely. You know. 730 01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,800 That was a story that I was put to bed with several times as a 731 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,599 child. At the grocery store here they sell. When I was a kid, 732 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:21,760 they used to sell these little fifty cent books. They were about that 733 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,400 thick, and it was like a ghost Stories from this region, ghost Stories 734 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:30,559 from that region, And it was in those it's I've been hearing the story 735 01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:31,679 about the Bell Witch since I was a kid. I wish they would make 736 01:01:31,719 --> 01:01:36,400 a really good movie about it, but they made one really crappy one about 737 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,920 it instead. Yeah, they did. That was a terrible, terrible film. 738 01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:45,519 Which film were you talking about? American Haunting? The American Haunting? 739 01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:50,840 Yeah, terrible movie. And it really made me mad because it's such a 740 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:57,079 great story and they could really make something spectacularly terrifying out of it if they 741 01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,719 wanted to, But instead they made that dud of a movie. Well who 742 01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:06,760 knows, well, who knows what the future has for you to speak that 743 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,199 one into into fruition? Hey, maybe you know I always wanted to be 744 01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:14,400 Steven Spielberg when I was a kid. That's why I love doing the Lives 745 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,840 and why I love doing this. I wanted to be a radio DJ when 746 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,920 I was a kid, but I had a severe stutter, and I was 747 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,679 dyslexic and I have ADHD. So now I'm kind of getting to do that 748 01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,559 with these lives and stuff. I get to sit down and just talk about 749 01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:31,159 stuff like this with people and talk about the stuff I enjoy. And I'll 750 01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:35,960 go live on TikTok and just turn my playlist on and we'll sit there and 751 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,840 listen to music and I'll read cards and people will ask me what I think 752 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,079 about this, just like we're doing now, or you know what I know 753 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,440 about that, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I've had 754 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:53,119 a blast doing every bit of it. That's good. Thank you so much, 755 01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:55,760 and we look forward to you coming back onto the show. So again, 756 01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,960 this is Seventh Sanctum and Jade. Where can we find you? Well, 757 01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,400 what are your platforms? Where can we find you? And what would 758 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,519 be the best way to get in touch if if anyone wanted to. I'm 759 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,559 on Instagram as Yie Old Gothwitch. I'm on TikTok as ye Old Gothwitch. 760 01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:15,400 You can I'm on Gmail as Yie Old Gothwitch. You can find my link 761 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,119 tree with all my Spotify playlists and my Amazon shopping list I've made for people 762 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,480 with the recommendations for my videos. But yeah, just check me out on 763 01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:28,480 Instagram, yield Gothwitch. Send me an email Yie Old Gothwich at gmail dot 764 01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:31,000 com. Find me on TikTok ye Old goth Witch. I'll be happy to 765 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:35,719 talk to you as long as it's within reason and you're nice about it, 766 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,679 because I've had some people that were not nice about it and it was completely 767 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,599 unreasonable too so, but yeah, that's how you can find me, yield 768 01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:46,920 Gothwitch. Just look and I'm there, perfect and just be able to just 769 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:52,559 keep away with their love spells. It's a nice love what you're doing. 770 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,760 You do that over there, don't bring it to me. Okay, Well, 771 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,000 thank you so much. Owing to say goodbye, thank you to everyone 772 01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:04,360 that's listened. We'll be back again in a couple of weeks time, so 773 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:09,800 make sure you tune in and you can find us on Facebook. A seventh 774 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,719 Sanctum podcast, and you can find the rest of our shows on different platforms 775 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:21,039 and the Paranormal UK Network Radio. Bye bye you