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serialize my number twenty three scalable. Hello and welcome to the show. I'm
David Young. Now, if you're a regular listener to the show, you'll
know I'm still playing catch up as I was ill a couple of weeks ago
with a cold, so this particular show should have been out last week,
so at the moment I'm running a week behind schedule. But you'll be pleased
to know that next week's show, yes as an Apple one next week actually
puts me right back on schedule. Anyway, Right this particular show, my
guest is a young man named Nando Disario is paranormal investigator and has become a
friend. And he also has his own podcast, which I'm sure you'll be
telling us all about. So let's waste no more time to introduce Nandoj Sario
and welcome to the show. Hi. How you doing. I'm doing fine,
Thank you as you do good. I'm really well. Thank you for
inviting me on your show. You've been on my list for a while now,
so it takes a bit of time to get through to people down the
list on the sort of thing. But it's like that. It's the same
when we do our podcast, because we do our podcast as well, and
you get a list of people that you're trying to get through, plus people
that you were already invited on. But no, it was great when you
messaged me asked me to come. It was yeah, it was great because
we got to meet you at the festivals. Yeah, we'll talk a good
weekend. We'll talk about weekend and obviously we're looking forward to the next Monday,
September. I'll presume you're going. I presume you're going. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, Sarah to go again. So we're definitely had enough as
well in September. Yeah, it's I mean, they've got some fantastic guests
this time. I've always got fantastic guests. They seem they see to get
better of a year, don't they. And that's not and that's not putting
the previous ones down. It's just that I think it's the collection they you
know, the collection of guests they put together is just going. I mean,
what with the holes of files team this time it's fantastic, you know,
meeting like last year, for him to come back down, it's just
a good bunch of people and it's a good laugh. You know, we
had a great time. So looking forward to coming back up in September.
Yeah, I mean people were actually asking him about Cindy and you know,
and it's great that. I don't know if it was sort of arranged because
of that or not, but the fact that Cindy Cas is coming over,
and you know, I think to be sort of involved in a few investigations
along with them is going to be out of sure, really, isn't it.
Yeah. You know, to watch Stave Trader the way he investigates,
that was one of the things I really enjoyed. He's just a great laugh
as well, he's a funny guy and then simply she seems like a lovely,
lovely lady. I've got to speak to on our bug on our bog
class, and she's again, she's just a great person to speak to.
So I'm looking forward to meeting her in person and see what she can do
as well. Yeah, they will seem quite very down to us. But
anyway, you've got your own podcast, like you just said, it's called
Portals of Portals to the Paranormal, isn't it. How has that been going
for? Uh? We started that during the COVID, you know, trying
to find something to do because we weren't able to go out with people and
do certain things. We were trying to find something just to connect with with
with our audience. And it was just by chance my wife Sarah, she
idea and invited a guest on it, and it's just sort of led from
there, to be honest, and it's just, you know, we enjoy
doing it, speaking to different people from across the pond, you know,
and finding out their stories, and it's just gone from from that ready.
So it was a it was just an idea during COVID to try and keep
us from going mental because being locked in, not being able to socialize with
people was hard. I think it was hard for a lot of people.
Yeah it was criminal actually, but yeah, definitely. And I think it
was just the initial idea. Sarah got speaking to a gentleman, Richard Lale
Lillard from America, and she invited him on the podcast and it went great,
and then we just sort of went from there and then it just continued
to us doing it now. I do hope to get Sarah on another show
at some point. I did mention it to you the other day, so
I mention I mentioned it to Sarah and she's she's well up for it.
She's on the list. And when she's on the list anyway, but Opera
a Message and the Ranger Day were there and she'ld be happy to do it,
which has got a sort of dat, right, So so you can
look forward to everyone, Sarah, But that would be good. But so
how did you actually get started to be interested in the parallel? Did you
have experiences as a child, And yes, so for me it's quite I
do remember vividally. I did have an experience where I saw a full by
the apparition of my grandmother and you know, I went for a stage where
I was scared of the dark and scared to be in the room on my
own. I think it was your imagination, but I remember one night in
particular my mom because my parents went for and I think things were just like
trying to find itself after that break up of the family home and one pic
not I must have woke up and I was scared of something, and I
ran into my mom's room and jumped into bed with her, you know,
because I didn't like being on my own. And then I was awake,
and then suddenly I see this glow from the corner of the room, and
it was a younger version of my grandmother. Like I remember her as the
older woman as my grandma, but she appeared to me as the younger version
of Ussel. Because when you never really mentioned it to anyone. It was
only later on in life where Sarah started getting involved in the paranormal. She
got involved with it first and then again during the lockdown period. I was
off the opportunity to join porters to the paranormal, and there was an interest
there and it's just gone from there, like to what did I experience?
Was it? Was it something as a child that you just you know,
you think you saw something, and it's just led from there, really,
and it's been a great journey since. So you've not had to watch really,
you've not really had any experiences since there or apart from all investigations,
which I have had another another effort, So the only things that I've seen
has been based around my family. So this is much later on when I'm
with Sarah. I remember one night, the three boys are in bed,
Sarah's in bed, Mums sat downstairs watching TV. And the house we lived
in that at the time had those big, heavy duty doors, you know,
like once it's closed, you've got to push the handle down for it
no wind or anything's going to open. I had the door closed so the
kids didn't hear the TV playing, but the door had opened on its own,
and a full apparition on my grandfather walked in. And the thing is,
when I did tell people about they asked where you were asleep? Was
it? I wasn't asleep, because I've never run so fast up the stairs,
you know, it was. It was weird because he come and sat
next to me, and I saw was the way he would dress, you
know, with his tie his waistcoat and then for days afterwards, the smell
of the tobacco that he would smoke was always in the house around me.
And this was for days and then like every time I'd wake up or I'm
home from work, I had that smell of tobacco near me. Well,
that was it, tobacco tocco. He used to smoke old auburn tobacco with
the litorish paper, but strong. It would have been a strong smell.
Yeah, oh yeah, And you know you sort of remember because whenever I
saw him, you know, he was a second hand antique stealer and he
had his own shops, so as you walk into the shop, you would
smell that that tobacco and the liquorice paper that he would smoke. So I
knew the smell because I was around him a lot, you know, so
that I remember very vivodally. And you know, like I said, I
went straight up to Sarah in the bedroom and I was like, you never
can believe what I've just seen. And then there's been little things since.
Yeah. I think that's what got me into the paranormal, was those experiences
trying to make sense of it and see what is really out there and what
else we can find out. Mm hm. I find it interesting that you
and Sarah are brought together because Sarah is actually she's actually a clearvoordes she no,
not my Sarah, no, No, I think she sees more than
she says, right, doesn't that she is not a fair voyant or anything
like that. I thought I just got that impression from when when we met
on the weekends. She seems to well, she was actually responding to things,
you know, So I guess we all do that though. I think
in a way, you know, Sarah's mind is more open than she realizes,
because she does come out with things and sense things a lot of the
time that we do things. But yeah, well so would you would you
say that the ghostly side of the paranormal there's sort of your main interest or
you've got other things that you're interested into. For me, is the investigation
side of it is? What I think is important is the history as well.
It's uncovering, is keeping the history alive of these locations, you know,
and just making sure you know that we we can keep that alive.
But then also investigate communicating with spirits or ghosts whatever people like to call them,
and hearing their stories, so document and ever and you know, just
sharing what we can find with other people as well. Yeah, well I
see if the stories match other stories, but from the past, from from
peevers obviously without prior knowledge of it. You know, that's never a good
thing if you've got prior knowledge of somewhere. No, I think. I
think that's the thing. When we go to like say, if we start
investigating a new location, we don't do a lot of background checks on it
because what we like to do is do the investigation first and then go do
the background checks so we can validate what we've picked up to see if it's
matches what history says. So yeah, when we go into a new location,
we do the investigation, we document everything, and then we look into
it to see what we can validate from what we've done. Mm hmm.
I'll tell you. I always mentioned on a lot of these shows, you
know, where we do these ghost, ghost hunts and wherever you're parable investigations
whatever you want to call them, Why actually started you wanted to do that?
Was it shows like Most Haunted and stuff like that. It is funny
when you're growing up, you don't know any better, do so yes,
most Haunted, I think was one of the most popular in the UK.
Ghost and all paranormal investigation TV shows that we had. It was the only
one, wasn't it really? I think yeah, I think it was for
us. You see the way they do it. But then when you start
investigating, you learn very quickly is a lot different to what the TV portraits.
And you know, I always say to people, you've got to be
careful what you're taking from TV and when you're going out on a paranormal investigation,
because one thing with TV, they got to condense everything they did within
forty five minutes, you know, and and when they do that, it
makes it look like they get in everything exactly or not. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Fact the way I side, they've probably been there for normal
ten hours or at least, they've got to condense it, and they do
it over a few days, when when you're going on an investigation, you
know you'll be there for six hours and it doesn't always provide anything, you
know, sometimes you can have a very quiet night. So I think sometimes
people go into doing these paranormal events thinking something's going to happen all the time
and are left disappointed. And I think that's what people need to realize.
You've just got to be paged. It's like efficient once. Once you've got
your rod out and you've casted it out, you've got to wait for a
bite. It doesn't happen straight away. And sometimes you get the smallest little
fish and that's like, that'st like an investigation. Sometimes you get the smallest
piece of evidence and that's all you're going to get for the whole night.
It's sort of you know, TV is great, but real life is very
different to what the TV shows. I've got to say though, I think
it is parent. I think it was like most Haunted, that's probably tweaked
our interest in the first place, right from the get go. You know,
I think we've got we've got to thank them for that, I think
in the first place. I know they've come for a lot of a lot
of criticism over the years, but I do think they probably started out with
good intentions. And you know, and I think you get to a point
where you've got a TV company wanted a TV show, and they expect results
out of that investigation. So we've got to have an audience, and of
course it becomes an entertainment program. You know, and then I think they
get kind of caught in that little trap there. You think, oh,
nothing's happening. We've got to make something happen, and you know, I
think there's a lot of that goes on with these sorts of things. I
think the thing with TV, you sort of lose the main reason you started
doing these panemal investigations. So we do it because one is it's great to
socialize without people and share your learning, you know what, what you've been
doing and see other people take part. Going with TV, I think it
becomes more of a chore because you've got to get viewers, and if you're
not hitting the viewership levels, then you're at risk of losing your TV show,
you know. So it loses that, It loses that initial which they
did in the end, didn't they because it had to go online. I
think now, isn't it? Yeah? And I and I think it you
lose that passion for it, don't you. If it becomes a chore,
it's not a passion anymore. It's more you know, what we're going to
do to make the next one better than the last one, so we continue
getting what we're looking for. For me personally, I just like going out
the EVP recorder, see what I can find, come home, download it,
see if I've found anything. And if I have, I'd like to
share it with people, so, you know, like on Facebook, YouTube,
and I enjoy it. It's not a sure for me. It's like
a hobby, but a hobby with a big passion for the paranorm or as
well. Yeah sure, I think Also when I'm going back to the Most
Haunted again, uh, it's actually the history of the locations they went to
as well. They tell you a little bit in the history. I think
that's what I found the most interesting. Really, forget the parallel investigation part
of it. I thought the history of the places they were going through,
and probably a lot of the places you never get a chance to go to
as well, you know, you get to see what they're like, you
know, So I'll leave most alone. Now. That's well just I always
like to mention that because I think that's what really got most of us.
I think I think that's a fair comment. I think a lot of people
would say, especially from the UK and with the Most Wanted, would have
been that trigger. That's s fucking interested in a lot of people. There
was nothing like it was it, you know, do you know? No,
I don't think there's nothing I can remember. Like Most Haunted on TV.
I think that was the first thing that that sort of got out there
about paranormal and about doing investigations. And like I said, one thing about
most of what they did do is give a good in depth history about a
lot of the locations that they were doing as well you were learning at the
same time. But yeah, definitely, well, especially when they did the
big things like the prisons and things like that, probably when none of us
have ever been in prison, but I haven't anyway, I don't know,
I mean, like the history of places like that, especially when they did
a couple of American ones as well, which were which were good. But
yeah, I mean, what about yourself? What kind of locations do you
try to find? Do you know? What? You does money come into
it? That's what I'm trying to get because some of these locations, as
I understand it, they they actually charged quite a bit to go into.
And we do look at areas of interest history that you can go without having
to pay a fee. So we do have areas where we are that are
known for potential hauntings. You know, we've got the great like the New
Forest in Hampshire that we can go to. There's different parts of the New
Forest and each that has different history, you know, and it also has
different reported sightings, so we go to them. But locations, we do
a fair few locations across the UK. And yes it does cost money,
you know, they're not going to give it to you for nothing. But
some of the locations we've been able to investigate have been absolutely awesome, you
know, not just for the paranormal side of it, but just being in
the presence of all that history and you know, the stuff that has gone
through is amazing. To be able to go into them and spend time there
is absolutely awesome. Yeah, we're talking about it. Just I was going
to say to you there's probably been evenings when you know, nothing's actually happening,
and by about one o'clock in the morning, you're thinking, you know,
you're cold and damp and sometimes and it's so you get you think,
oh, sort this go over, you know, and then then all of
a sudden something leapens. You think that was interesting, you know, Yeah,
and it kind of makes the whole evening worth it. Yeah, definitely,
I think. You know one place that we do, we've done a
fair few investigation it has fought with and you know, and it's the underground
tunnels and you know, doing that sometimes, especially in the in the colder
months it is freezing and you know, so gold. But when nothing's happening,
you've got to try and keep that momentum and try and keep the energy
levels up. And it's those moments when you start er enough saying talking about
other things and not really paying interest, then you notice stuff started happening.
You know, you start hearing footsteps in the corner, or you know,
the rampods will go off suddenly, and it's not gone off all evening.
So it is good. Like I said, paranormal investigation evenings are great,
you know, but you've got to be very patient. It's not something that's
just gonna Like Sarah likes to say, they're not performing monkeys. They'll choose
when they want to do it, or they'll choose when they want to make
their presence known. And you just got to be patient and just keep going
at it until I mean hopefully happens. Do you use a lot of equipment
now you mentioned rempords, so that I still want to get a red port.
I'm hoping I've got one on order. Actually I saw this on Facebook.
They look great for me personally, you know, I do like using
different types of equipment. I know, you know, people have different beliefs
in the way they work and the way they're they're tuned to do things.
But if you can get something that validates the location that you're in and it
happens on command, for me, I think that that just shows that something
is used in the equipment to be able to bring those answers forward or set
off the equipment. But to me personally, I always walk around with a
camera. I'm always filming whenever we're doing so I think the best evidence you
catches stuff on the film and an EVP recorder. I do tend to use
them quite a lot when I'm out on investigation. So what you mentioned camera,
Do you mean a movie camera or just the still camera a moving camera?
So I walk around filming, film the whole thing. Yeah, I
film, and then I will come home and I'll go through all the footage
and then if I think I've caught something, I'll start editing it to put
it into clips of what we've captured. There has been times where we filmed
the whole investigation and we just put it on on social media and people can
say if they've seeing anything, they put it in the comments, and then
we can go back on it. Another thing we like to do is we
actually put cameras around the location, so we have five different cameras and we
set it up and then we stream it live, so while we're doing our
investigation, people can actually watch from home through social media and then they put
comments to say, oh, we just saw this or we saw that,
and then we go back on all the footage and then we try and analyze
it to see was it just a specker dust fine by? Was there actually
something moving there? So yeah, we do different things so people that don't
join us on investigations they can also watch from home as well. Yeah,
I mean, and also it's quite easy there with WiFi is it Wi Fi
cameras? And I guess that's what you're saying. You couldn't do it so
easy in the old days if there are word cameras and things. But no,
oh, I never I've actually tried there. Actually I probably would should
try the old Wi Fi cameras. As I say, you mentioned about,
but that's particles. Just ask what's your opinion about orbs? See, I
think you know there is things as orbs, and you've got to look close
to you. You've got to look at the movement. You know, the
way it moves, the way it appears. Now, if you look at
a footage and you see little bits going across all the time, then you
can put that down. That's more and likely there's dust being read from the
floor upwards where people are walking around, and that's what it is. But
it's those moments where you get a specific it's for me, I would say
it is like a little board light. It's not as transparent as a dust
particle, so it's got more of a body to it. And the movement
the way it moves, so a dust particle can be prettyoretic or applied right,
it goes all over the place, but with an orb the way it
moves, I've seen some that appear out of nowhere, but it's sort of
gently, just moves slower than a bit of dust or a fly, So
it depends. I know people say it's the kind of camera, but you
know, when I look at it, there's one that we had recently,
we did an investigation in Portsmouth, an old manicord with her manner and one
of our teammates were sat in the attic and we had the camera filming there
and it was just her in the room, sitting on the bed. But
then behind her you see this light appear and it sort of floats behind her
and it goes in an L shape and then suddenly disappears. You know.
So I do believe orbs are a real thing. But you just got to
watch the movement, the shape and how it moves, you know, like
with dust, you can easily tell if it's a dust tug because of the
way it moves. It's rapids, it will go in different directions. But
when you get a light and nomally that is moving like it's got a purpose
and it's move is slower than the dust, you've got to be mindful,
you know, open to that thinking could that be something trying to present itself
because you're asking it too. Hm. And also if you're outdoors you get
moisture particles as well, which that's quite quite similarly to what dust particles do.
Yes, but again there are orbs and different places like forests and things.
I mean I've said this several times on this show renders from forests.
I've been in the dead of night out there, and most of the photo
should take you this is all black, and all of a sudden you'll get
three or four or maybe even five photos have got orbs in them, and
then you'll just go and then they'll just go black again. Now, my
opinion on that is that if they were all dust particles or all worsted particles,
you have that on every photo, on every photo, that's great.
I think that's the thing. And for me, I look at the timestamp
from when we're recording, what was happening in that room at that moment when
you see that light at normally, So with the last one that we just
did, Julie was set up in the attic and she had the spirit box
on and the question at the time was are there any spirits in this room
with me? And then as she said that, that's when this light anomaly
appeared behind her. So I always look at what's going on in the room
at the time that we were recording. Was there anyone else in the room
that may have had a bit of light shine on their watch? That course,
that lighting, you know, so I'm always looking at funking stuff before
I put it down to something oh normal. Ye. You know, you've
got to be very vigilant. You've got to think about the location that you're
in. But we know from that time when we started recording, she was
actually left in the room on her own and the door was closed, so
we know no one could have created that light. And again the way it
was moving, we couldn't recreate it afterwards. So yeah, but I do
believe that orbs are a thing. Yeah, well we agree on that as
well. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So when you've got people, I
mean, you forget strangers that you don't know on some of these things.
If you go on an investigation, you don't know if someone's best about.
I forget things like knocks or something so creeping about. You've got to be
picture that people that are not playing around, don't you sitting in the corner
bringing on a wall or something. Yeah, I think very early draws in
you can sort of pick up the characters that might be there to wind up
other people in their group, you know. So you know, one thing
we always say to anyone that joins us is that this is your investigation.
You know, you choose to do it the way you want to, we
will guide you throughout the evening and give you different techniques and experiments that you
can try out. But if they choose to mess around, then that's their
choice, you know, they just yeah, but the thing is if they
expose it for everybody else as well done it. Yeah. Yeah. We
can sort of break it down to watching people's you know, the way their
body movement, you know, the way they present themselves, and you've just
got to be careful sometimes, but not out of ten times. The customers,
the guests that we have joined us are really good. You know,
we always stand back. So if they want to do something like I don't
personally like doing them the Ouiji board or the spirit board as some people.
You know, we we we never get involved. We just watch them,
We tell them what to do, and then they can do it. And
you can sort of see sometimes if someone's pushing it in a certain direction,
but yeah, they're they're to mess around, we will pull it out and
say, look, we're trying to document evidence here, let's take this more
seriously. But then you have the you know, we have our guests that
come with us regularly that know how we work, and they work with us
to create a really good night. So yeah, it's that balance, isn't
it. You're always going to have the old people that want to clown and
I think it's partly because they're scared because they've walken into the unknown. Yeah,
they're trying to put a face on and I don't think sometimes they don't
mean to irritate or be annoying. They just don't know what to expect,
so they put a safeguard up to sort of disguise that they might be a
little bit scared, shall we say, Yeah, I suppose it's there's always
that I can ask you, why is it that you don't do wishable Is
there a reason for that? All me personally stories I've looked into it,
and I've heard other people's stories about you know, the kind of things that
could come through. Now. I don't necessarily believe everything that I read,
you know, but there's certain things, and you know, being a Catholic
as well, you know, I know my mum would would hate if she
ever found out that I did the Weedi Boys. She doesn't really get involved
with the paranormal side of things of what we do. She doesn't. She
thinks it's one of those things that's left better left alone than trying to find
you know, that's my mum. So I won't be the reachaboo because I
know if she found out, she won't she won't be happy with me,
and that's the last person I want to upset with me. Mom. You
don't see it's just another tool that same as your meters and things, do
you know, Because I mean that's what most are investigators just thinking of it
as another all. I think it's just the stories behind them. Like again,
I know that, like the Monica entities are thrown around a lot,
and again I've never experienced anything like that. I don't know if I believe
it as much as people say, but they seem to be attached a lot
to the Wiji boards. So for me personally, I'm there to uncover the
history and what was there. I don't really want to entice anything that wasn't
there and could be harmful. Do you never know? You know, the
paranormal is an industry or a field that we don't know how. You know,
no one knows exactly how far into it you can go, what can
really happen? You know, we're learning every time we go out on an
investigation. But I'm not there to entice anything that's evil. Basically, I
just want to keep it nice and calm and enjoy it, not have anything
that's going to potentially scare me and make you run away. That's the best
way of putting it. I think we've got to point out that it's not
like Hollywood movies, is it, where you still everything kicks off and you've
got all sorts of things flying about. And I think that's the other thing.
A lot of people that don't want to be involved in the paranormal is
because they've taken away too much of what Hollywood is presented, you know.
And again a lot it's like demonic entities and things like that. It's heavily
worded on these TV shows and across YouTube, but I think it's very rare.
You know. I've been doing this now since COVID, and I've never
come across anything I would say with demonic. I've had stuff that to come
through that seems a bit annoyed that we're there maybe and said some you know,
we picked up some you know, curse cursing language from them, but
other than that, nothing evil or demonic. Yeah, well, I mean
on that note, I mean I think really when when people go to the
other side, they're just like you and me, aren't they. You get
all sorts of people that are different types of people. Some people will mess
about on the other side, the playing around with you. Some people will
be very well, no miserables those and I think some are very violent as
well. If they have violent life in the normal human life, they could
still be the same on the other side. I think that's what it is.
I think, you know that they were will be the same character as
they were when they depart, And I think that's what it is, you
know, especially when you've got to think some of the places that you go
to. But we went to Shepton Mall in prison, and some of the
prisoners that they were housed at the time were very evil people, you know,
And I think that's why you pick up when you're walking through certain cell
blocks, you know, quite you feel uneven, uneased, sorry, And
it's because of the kind of presence that they had there at the time.
I think they cross over the if they never changed in life, and they
cross over that same person that they were, that's what you're going to pick
up when you're out on an investigation. It's just an angry spirit. And
you've got members sometimes with eppen into their domain. You know, we're we're
trying to identify what is there. They might not want us to do that,
and that's why you get sometimes a negative response. Mm hmm. Were
going back to the ward. Did you not do it as a child?
No? No? Is that a child? A teenager? I thought I
thought we all did it as you know. I remember watching a film and
it was based on the wiki board and I think I must have been about
fourteen. And do you know what that put the woolies at me? Yeah,
and I will never get it. And it was just like this particular
film, you looked into the eye of the planned chat as well. This
person was looking around suddenly, Uh, this figure just come jumping out at
her and yeah, that was not good. That's not good for me at
all. Yeah, I thought I thought we all did it a see,
I just know we did. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you
a little something. I've told this on on this show before. But there
was my ex girlfriend at the time, my girlfriend at the time and her
friend and her boyfriend. He didn't believe any of it at all, and
he came in one night. We never had actual ouiji ball. We used
to put numbers around the table with a glass and all that, you know,
And we said to him, said, look, let's just try.
Let's try an experiment. You go sit in the corner and write a word
on a piece of paper and we'll see if the table will tell us what
you've just written. Anyway? Did he win and sat in the corner and
we asked, we asked the glass, the glass as we called it,
Then what was he just written? And it started splitting out g u end
and it spelled out of the word gun. And we said, what did
you write gun on your bit of paper? And he wrote he sat out
here. I don't believe this, and he actually he showed us a piece
of paper. He hadn't written the word gun. He'd drawn a picture of
one's intelligent response. And there was there was no way that he would you
know, he went white. Actually really wow, That's that is evidence,
isn't it, because you know it's a less boy, unless, of course
him and his girlfriend works it. But I don't think that would have I
don't think that was the case. I do think when you have people that
don't necessarily believe in the paranormal. There's one story that I remember and it
was a great evening. So again we were out of Port Widley and there
was a gentleman that come with his partner and her mother, and as we're
walking down the tunnels, he come and gave me a nudge and it's like,
can I have a quick word with you? And I was like,
yeah, of course, yeah, something's happened. He's not happy, but
he was like, look, I don't want to be disrespectful, but I
don't believe in any of this. I've just come because my girlfriend and their
mother asked me to come. And I was like, do you know what,
It is absolutely fine if you just want to stand and watch, you
know, and see what happens, that's absolutely and he was like, okay,
yeah, I'll do that. So he was stood in the corner.
So the tunnels lead into separate areas and we went into one of the back
rooms and we did a spirit box session. So they started corner out and
then we got very quickly and now voice come through saying I'm here, and
this is in full sentence. We were trying to identify was you was this
spirit links to Fort Widley? You know, you know anyone here because we
couldn't make any sense of some of the stuff that was coming out. It
was that I'm here with my son. So we're trying to work out has
anyone's dad passed away? So there's this gentleman in the corner being very quiet,
still not saying anything. And then it led on to can you give
the people's name that you're trying to communicate with, So we picked up two
names, not knowing it was his son's. It was a gentleman's girlfriend and
his sister that came through, like the names came through, but his dad
never actually met his girlfriend. He had passed away prior to him getting with
his girlfriend. And then the next thing that happened he I was like,
look, maybe this is something for you. Do you want to say anything?
It was like, is that you? And then it went yes,
it's me. I'm always here with you. And then we went back for
a break and he come out like really like trying his girlfriend and the mother
were you know, given him my hug and he come to me. At
the end of the evening. It was like that was the best experience I've
ever had has made me rethink everything, and it was just like we didn't
expect that to happen. You know, that moment was something personal for him
that had nothing relating to the thought at all. He'd never been to foot
with me before either. Mm hmmm, So something very positive came out.
And as you know, and as I know, things happened behind on the
other side. If you like to get these people to go to these places
sometimes, I mean I believe that anyway. I think people are actually sholved
from behind, you know, from the other side, in order to get
messages and things and to learn about things. Yeah, I think, like
you know, I look at that scenario, was something that like gave them
that thought to go with them, something more than just I do believe that
happens. Yeah, I think, you know, I think his dad comes
through because he knew his son was put out of his comfort zone, so
he was a bit vulnerable, and then he used that vulnerability to come through.
But the change in his his body language from a non believer to I
have to rethink that all of this now because of what's happened, was great
because we didn't do anything any different. You literally put the spirit box in
the middle of the room. And you've got to take into account when people
say about spirit box, it doesn't work in it. We're under the tunnel,
so it really is under ground where it doesn't pick up any signal.
As soon as you walk through the tunnels your phone that you don't get no
phone signal or anything. So for that to come through very clearly, it's
hard to debunk those sort of situations, and they're the best moments because we
weren't expecting something like that to happen. Yeah, Oh, it's all about
spirit boxes. And we've got ron Yacovetti coming. I'm actually intrigued to be
hearing what he's going to be coming out with. Actually, I actually did
a show of him which is coming out very shortly on here, and it
was absolutely fascinated, you know, so we should look forward to that.
What is your feeling on Do you know much about what the white noise thing
with his system? I haven't seen much of what you said noticing him statical.
Yeah, I've only just started notinging really recently because he's been a lot
on a lot of podcasts recently. I think it's him his partner and then
two other team members as well, isn't there? Yeah? Lord his Gonzales
what and there's two other members I don't know what their names are actually,
but it's going to be good because they're going to be at the Festival the
Unexplained this year as well. Yeah, and why can in conjunction with Dave
Frieder and Cyndy Kaser, it's going to be fascinated, you know, yeah,
as well as as well as Steady And what else we've got is there's
Daniel Class as well. Danny Klass is going to be there. Then you've
got Dan Spragg and Adam Opley from With all of them together, it's going
to be fascinated, I think, because they're going to be in the same
place together basically, I guess you're going to the not on the Halls of
Justice all the Games of Justice what when they call it. Yeah, it's
going to be great to see how each of them as individuals carry out their
techniques and you know, learn from them and see what they can do.
Yeah, and it's going to be great. It's going to be good fun
because I mean, Cindy gives the impression that she's a really good medium.
Actually when you see her on the TV, so I guess we'll see that
first hand, won't we. Yeah, what would be great, you know
because Cindy also does the psychic drawings as well, and I would love to
see how that starts happening. I don't know if she's going to give an
example of that when we're when she's going to come down for the festival,
but I would really like to see, you know, what's her body language
when that starts happening, you know, does she you know, it's just
so fascinating. Like when I was talking to her about her was she was
explaining to me and she just gets these images and then it's like her hand
is you know, she just starts putting pen to paper or pencil paper and
then just draws, which I just think it's great what she can do.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's fascinating when you just see her sitting
writing and she's just writing so fast. How can she actually read what she's
writing afterwards? How does that come? Do you understand what? What what
happens there? Because I don't understand it when we see it on the CV.
She never actually shows you the handwriting, do you But she'll come out
with what's actually been written, so I don't quite understand what happens. And
and like you said, the speed that she's going, you wouldn't think she's
actually writing anything that she can read because it's like quite far. But yeah,
I want to see how she does it and just watch, you know,
because I think that's fascinating what she's able to do. Yeah. I
think that'd be a few souvenirs for people as well, so they can get
a signature and it's going to be it's going to be good weekend. I
think it'll be great. Yeah. H would you get into things like table
tipping and stuff like that as well. Yeah, the team table tip and
we try all the experiments. We try different techniques because you know, and
I think as an individual, each of us learn like there's certain things that
one person likes to do more than others. You know. We have had
some great responses from table tipping, for example, where the tables being actually
everyone's hands off the table and it's standing on two legs and it just stays
there. Yes, I think everyone in the team have individual things that they
like doing most. For me, like I said, for me, is
I just like capturing everything that we do, because I think the best thing
is if you can show it from a camera. I think it's just awesome
to capture that. And then it's good because sometimes, you know, I
like to go back on pasting investigatations and just watch the kind of things,
and it's good to document that because then if that happens again, so well,
this happened a year ago, and we're having the same thing happening now,
and you can sort of show that you know that it corresponds to previous
investigations as well. Yeah, okay, let's go a bit deeper. Now,
what do you think? What do you think we're actually talking to on
the other side? Do you believe it's us when we die and we're in
a place where we've you know, we've not actually passed into an even better
place? Now, what's your theory of depth? So what you mean when
we're out investigating, I mean no, I mean when when we actually die,
When we when we you and I, when we die we pass over,
what happens we do we go into like a like an in between place,
like a waiting room if you like, before we go into the even
better place. Have you seen? And on our value, the people that
we're talking to and summer trapped they don't go on to I necessarily believe spirits
are tract I believe is once we pass on, we can choose either to
stay or move on. Even when we move on, I do believe that
we're able to come back. And you know, I think we're just living
in a different dimension in a way. You know, we live here in
the physical world, but when we pass on, we're still living in spirit.
But we choose what we want to do. I don't necessarily think that
we're trapped or bounded on earth. I think it's all the choice. We
have a choice in life now, and I believe we go on to have
a choice in the spirit world as well well. So I mean basically what
you're saying is if if it's if it's kind of inter dimensional stuff things are
around us all the time. Really, Yeah, I believe that's just outside
of our vision of what we can perceive. Yeah, yeah, I think
sometimes, you know, the reason spirits are and at locations that we investigate
is because that's where they want to be, and they just continue living in
the spirit world where they feel most comfortable. You know. I know people
have the beliefs that people are stuck here. Some people say if they have
a bad life, they've got nowhere they go, so they just roam in
the earth the world for the rest of their life or wherever they were.
But for me, I just think when you pass on, you get that
choice of what you want to do. Well, that's what I like to
believe is a choice. And yeah, we you know, for example,
with the experiences that I've had with my grandfather, and you know, I've
experienced him more than once, you know, in different ways, and I
think he comes back and forth to let me know that he's still around.
You know. I went through a stafe where I was quite ill, not
last year, the year before. I had two blog dots and I never
get so Sarah said, I was in and out of sleep, but she
said that I was saying to her, everything's okay, my non not,
which is Italian for granddad. It's telling me everything's going to be okay.
But then even when I come around afterwards, I could smell the tobacco around
me like he had been around me, like older me or something, you
know. So I do believe they can come and go when when they please,
and you know, like that experience that made me believe that he knew
I needed someone, so he was there for me. Mm hmm. Yeah.
I mean, do you believe in reincarnation and stuff like that? Oh
well, stuff like that, I mean reincarnation stuff like that again, you
know, it could be a possib ability because they say that things like deja
foot could be relating to something that you've had in the past life. You
know, I'm not sure on that one. That one on a bit.
You know, if it do you come back as something else? Do you
choose what you come back as? You know, I don't know what's your
thoughts on I actually I actually do believe in it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean when you hear about so you get children that come out with a
dead not a dead language or something, don't they like ancient Chinese or something,
or they'll have memories of actually dying somewhere or something like that. You
do hear about these stories? Where where would they get that from? Unless
unless it was from a pro something. I mean, the scientific argument for
that is they've got it in their genes and it's some sort of memory in
their genes. I don't I don't agree with that. I think they've actually
got a physical memory some somehow, you know. I think, like I'm
on the fence about that because I don't know sure. I can never say
it's not true because people, like you said, have had experience, and
I think everyone's entitled to believe what they've experienced, you know, when when
I'm not here to ever say it's not true or it's not real, because
if someone believes they've had that experience, then it's got to come from somewhere,
like you said, you know, so it could quite possibly be.
Recarnation is a thing, you know, And when I have had that conversation
and it's come up, you know, my sort of thought process would be,
where then do you go to the other side and then you choose what
you know when you want to come back or you know how you come back
and things like that. So I think, and again it's another choice that
they make it on the other side. Mm. I mean, I've always
said that, well, not really a fear of water, but I never
really liked water. But when I was growing up and when I was a
kid, I didn't like going to something pools and things like that, and
I did have a I have a feeling that I drowned at some point,
you know. So whether that's a memory or if it's a false memory,
I don't know. But I did have a feeling that I drowned once.
So whether that's as I say, I don't know if it's actually a false
memory or something, but that it could be something that you've experienced it,
like you said, in the past life and that's why, Yeah, you
have that dislike to water. I don't get a failing that's what it was.
But I will say, unfortunately, you can't prove anything, can you.
You know, it's it's one they think. You can't say. There's
not a right or wrong answer for that, you know, because you know,
and I say this about a lot of things, we're not going to
know exactly the truth about the other side until we take that journey into the
other side and experience it for ourselves, you know. So it's just a
shame we won't be able to really come back and do a talk on it
and tell everyone what it's actually like. It's just something that we just need
to continue what we're doing on the on the Earth now with the panel investigation
documented, showing people and sharing the evidence that we pick up and then hopefully
when we pass on, we experienced the other side of it all. Yeah,
i'll tell you Jill, my wife. You've probably met her. Don't
know if you remember very well, but I remember before we had great conversations.
We didn't know that big fire place. We did, yes, I
didn't know. If you do know it, you can't forget you. I
think our conversation started me and I was I come up to you, and
I was like, I've seen your post on Facebook and some of the stuff
that you put on there, you know, And I think that's what I'm
always getting banned all the time I've been paying for a while. You haven't
any well, been taken down. The strange thing is everything I've been saying
and getting bayed for, it's all coming out of the newsday I've seen.
But yeah, I think that's what we first started talking about, because it
was like, make me laugh. You're very directly and it's funny. But
yeah, keep that anyway. I was saying that before I knew her.
Way back probably it must be about twenty ydso years ago now. She actually
died three times all the way to the hospital because she's got She probably asked,
I'll tell her to tell you the story when we speak to you when
when we see you. Yeah, she's got bad, Yes she has to
have the puffer things. Oh, yeah, she's got aspa is quite as
bad as you can't get it, you know, but it's it's controlled with
the asper pumps or everything. Yeah. Once when when she was actually married
previously, in her previous marriage, she actually died on the way to the
hospital three times, and she she actually remembers going and seeing the light and
everything and actually making the choice to come back. So what you said about
giving it, making that choice, she actually remembers making that choice. That
she could have carried on into it, but she had She knew she had
to come back because she had younger children, had adults there obviously, But
she feels that she was given a choice to come back. I think you
know that that that's the nice side of it, you know, having that
choice. Still, it's like that film ghost have you seen it? With
me more? And he passes away, but because he did so much good,
he had the choice very quickly to go into the light, but he
chose to stay behind to make sure his loved one was she was okay,
which kind of demonstrates what you were talking about earlier. Yeah, and I
think and then with Jill's experience as well, sort of you know, that's
the the way I think of it, And it's great to hear someone that's
actually, we'll not experienced that sort of depth. You know, that must
have been scary, but seeing the light, having the choice, you know,
that's what I always say. It's always about a choice. I think
when we cross over. Yeah, and she died. Exaggerated when she said
she died, because what actually happened is the ambulance people, the ambulance drivers
that were taking her to the hospital actually came in to see her in the
hospital and actually told her that she should die, you know, a couple
of times on the way to the hospital when they brought her back. That's
amazing. It's like when my grandfather passed away as well. Another thing that
I do believe is if you have a strong connection with family members or people
that meant a lot to you, they come and collect you just before you
pass away. Well, and it was two nights before my grandfather passed away.
He turned around and told me that his brother was with him, and
his brother had passed away a long time ago, you know, and he
was like, everything's okay, my brother's here. He kept saying about my
grandmother on her name out and then two days later he passed away, you
know. So I think that they were there waiting for him to take us
last break so they can show them where he was going next and sort of
guide them through as well. I do believe that's a possibility as well.
Yeah, I've actually spoken to nurses so have actually experienced that as well.
They've actually seen the person's demeanor change, they've been on their deathbed, They've
actually seen them. They have actually seen the look on their faces are not
as if they're talking to somebody or there's somebody they know, is there.
Yeah, And I think a lot of people say it's it's the drugs,
like the morphine that they're put on towards the end of life. But I
sometimes think, no, there's more, you know, Especially with my granddad,
he was very you know, he was using their names like they were
stood there with me, for example. And I do believe that, you
know, that that is a possibility as well. And that's only because that's
what I've seen and you know, sort of watching him pass away. I
do believe that's he was collected by the people that he love the most.
Yeah, sure, have you got any experiences of your own own spirit guides
or anything? See no spirit guides to me. I think the only thing
that I experienced every so often is is my grandfather every so often and my
auntie, you know, every so often. You know, I have weird
dreams sometimes, and you know, it's like, but the dreams that I
have, I don't know if it is just a dream, but they just
seem so real that you wake up and you're like, you actually feel that
emotion. Does that make sense that where I'm walking as an infant child coming
out of infant school, and I was picked up by my grandparents or and
we're walking down the street where they used to live, and it's like they're
talking to me, but I can never hear them, but I can see
their faces, and then suddenly they sort of walk into the background and sort
of disappear, and then suddenly I wake up, and it makes me think
they just letting me know that they're there. And again every so often,
like even to this date, the smell of the tobacco, you know,
I smell tobacco around me and that makes me think that he's here, especially
if I'm going for a bit of a rough patch, you know, I
get and then it's just like that little okay, I'm getting a little nudge
here to say keep going, keep doing what you're doing. Everything's okay.
And that's the way I sort of interpret it when something like that, but
actual, like spirit guides talking to me and things that I don't think everyone
says everyone has that ability, but I don't think I'm tuned in or on
that frequency level to be able to say that I've got an actual spirit guide
guide to me doing things. Well, apparently you will have. It's usually
mediums to tell you about your spirit guide, and it's somebody who can who
actually can see them or whatever I mean. I was once told that I
had I think he had a long air Force jacket and he stared with his
head on his shoulder. One of the first meetings I ever went to,
the first I had a reading done at the Festival of the unexplained by Rob
Thompson, and and it was weird because I was expecting that if I was
to get anything with being my grandfather, my grandmother, and my auntie,
the three people that I've always been around. It was funny. The gentleman
that come through was actually an old pe teacher from school and I was like,
okay, this is not yeah, And I was a bit on the
fence, but this particular pet he was a great teacher. He you know,
I struggled in school and he helped me through school. If it wasn't
for him, I don't think I would have got free. But what validated
it for me was Rob Thompson was able to give me his first name and
his sur name really woman Ellis. And the thing is and the thing that's
even good. I've never referenced that teacher to Sarah for her to say anything.
I've never even referenced him on a Facebook post or anything, but for
him to say Norman Ellis, and he described and Rob described the teacher to
a tea. He was bold, but with the hair on the side.
He was built because he was a pee teacher, so he was very fit.
And it was one of the things that he said. He goes,
oh, your teacher retired, didn't he? And I was like yeah,
And he was like everyone would say, oh, we've got rid of mister
Ellis now. And then he come back as a pee teacher and that message
comes through, and apparently he was laughing about it and that was great,
and he was saying to me, he's always around you, So he could
be a spirit guide in a way that I don't know about, but apparently
he's a Aaron spirit always watching over me. Yeah. I mean, you
do hear that. Some people you do meet in life, oh they're actually
you may well you have a spiritual connection to them at some point you may
not even realize it. But some people you meet, you do get that
instant bonding, don't you if you know, because if you've known them for
years kind of thing. And I think that's the last thing about I think
we make so many friends in the in the in the business, if we
want to call it. Yeah, I think what's great is that we can
use the festival the an explained a really good example. Everyone comes to these
events with a very open mind, and you can have those open conversations without
getting the odd looks. Do you know when you're speaking to someone that's never
experienced it may not necessarily believe it, and then you see their eyes sort
of twitching a little bit, going Okay, this code come out of the
cooking nest, you know, with what you're telling, but then when you
speak with other people that we did at the festival, everyone had an experience
nearly that I spoke to there, and everyone had a real interest in the
field and you know, trying to find out more. And it was great.
It was a really good weekend to meet different people. But all you
know, really good open minded people and willing to accept different people's beliefs and
everything without a really heavy debate about it all. Yeah, sure, we
just to wind that way on your show, do you get do you deal
in all types of paranormal or yeah? You know, for me, I
want to I like paranormal investigators, what we do the historians, europology.
You know. It's because I think the paranormal is not just about ghosts or
spirits. There's a lot more out there, you know that we could be
talking about. Like UFOs is a big thing at the moment. So yeah,
isn't it. Once you're at my bookshelf, you you know, gait
to find out how people got into the field and what their experiences are.
So our show is sort of like highlight and then just having a good time.
It's just like I always say, is just talking to a mate and
having a good time. It's chilled, relaxed. Then just share everyone's experience
as well. Yeah, I mean, what is your Do you believe in
UFOs? I believe so. Yeah, I definitely believe there's something more out
there than Yeah, I definitely believe in UFOs. Yeah, I mean,
I've come to the conclusion, whether it's right or wrong, I don't believe
they're all the extraterrestrial I do believe in extraterrestrial life. Don't get me wrong.
I do believe they've visited us, but I do I have come to
the conclusion there that we're also having insta dimensional beings visiting us as well,
where they've got the means to actually come through to and and I think a
lot of I've seen a lot of connections between the spiritual world, if you
like, or ghosts or whatever another paranor incidents that go on, and I
think a lot of it's all linked, you know. Yeah, I think
there's a possibly that you can draw all all the fields together, you know,
and sort of you know, bring it all in as one. And
you know, I think there's elements of what we do on the paranormal investigation
when we're trying to communicate with spirits that you quite possibly do with, you
know, trying to connect with the beings up there for example. You know,
it's it is like I always said, we're never going to know for
sure. We just got to keep building our portfolios and building our experiences and
just document it so, yeah, we can just show what we found out.
Yeah, I do believe there's something more out there. Yeah, it's
got to be. If there's different planets out there that you know, different
solar systems, there's got to be more out there than we know about.
Yeah. I mean it's like worlds within worlds. I mean you when you
look at just the universe, basically that could all be inside of a table.
Yeah, you see, you know, because who knows, Because I'm
in an atoms built the same way as the solar system, So it's who
knows it could it could be the way is you could be in the chair,
were lived in a cheer league or something. Yeah, you know,
there's there's so many possibilities. We just got to find a way to try
and uncover it the best way we can. Yeah, I'm starting to get
my head a little bit around the holographic universe as well. I mean at
one point I could understand what what what was meant by it, but on
beginning that's kind of understand that it could be a possibility. The holographic universe.
Now there's so many different things. You know, it's just finding the
right way to to investigated yourself so you're happy with what you're doing. Everyone
has different techniques. It's just finding the right way into it and then understanding
it and going for ends see what you can find. Yeah, well,
unfortunately it likes of us. I mean, we've got no way of really
investigating things like that, not the hiographic universe, but we we've only got
bigger mind bigger minds than ours to read about and sort of try and take
a lot of it in. I mean, the I know how you feel.
But I'm a big follower of David David Nike. Actually, about ten
years ago I sort of got interested in what to f find out what it
was all about, and he just blown me away with at the first time
I went to see him, and they've been reading his books ever since.
And I think the man's the genius, I really do. And he I
mean a lot of his theories I when you hear about the reptilians and all
that, and that's a lot of that is all taken out of context where
you actually know what he's actually talking about, which are inter dimensional beings mm
hm. But so I'd recommend anyone who's interested in that type of thing to
pick up the David Light book and you'll find the absolutely fascinating. Yeah.
I think there's possibilities for everything, Like you've got the cryptos as well.
You know, that's something that I've been looking into. You know, I've
been reading a lot of different stories of different things, like the Jersey Devil
for example, the Big for the you know, there's so many different things.
Some of it do I think someone has just drawn a picture and put
a story to it, and then people believe that it's a real thing.
It could possibly be sometimes, Yeah, I just I would that would be
my thing if I can go and investigate or go and explore to try and
uncover it, if there's a real thing like and things like that, I
would love to do something like that. Take me with you, We'll go
off together, because I'll go with you. Yeah, well we're going to
We're going to see you in November don't. Well, yes, we're doing
an investigation with you. I think I'll still I think I've got a pain
of rest of more fee off for that. But so, yeah, you're
coming to the cavern and Hatch with us. Yeah, I'm looking forward to
some penny joining us as well that night. It's an amazing place. So
I've been there twice. It's the secret the secret nuclear bunker. It's a
messive. It's it's actually quite funny when you see the signs the secret nuclear
bunker and but but it doesn't look that big from the outside though, does
it. It is massive. When you go down, you go down,
then you go down a lot. Have you actually been there. I've never
been there before. That you're gonna love it. You're gonna love you know,
and then I know it. Deal will be with you in the night.
It's going to be great. So we can go off and do our
little thing and see what we can uncover. And it's going to be great
to see you guys again. But we see you see, so we'll be
able to talk a bit about that anyway. But I don't know, it
would be good things. It's going to be in December, so I think
you will wrap up wall for that, because I think it might be in
December. I think I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah, do you know
what I would say? Definitely, definitely wrap up. If you're going to
be it'll be wrapping up to keep warm. But it's going to be a
great evening. All we've got to do is it's not saying for the snow
to get there because it's it's quite. It's out on the countryside, so
it'd be a bit of a chock there other fingers crossed. But no,
I'm excited for that investigation because we've got Penny joining us as well, and
she knows a lot of the history there as well, so it happens she'll
be able to validate a few things for us as well. And then you
guys are going to be there, so that's going to be fun. Yet,
I think Wayne Wayne Satan is going to be coming as well. Do
you know why? He runs the place for me? No way, He's
got a Spooklauri. He's got a Spooklauri podcast. He does. But when
I told him that we're going, he said, oh, I'll have the
corner. Well, he lives in Colchester, so that's another great, great
afterwards is that you guys can all come on my podcast and we can talk
about the night, what happened, what unfolded, and things like that.
We have to get you Jill and we'll get well, you won't get Jilled.
I'll try to get her on the show. She she won't come on,
she's too shy. But we'll get you on and Penny and we can
discuss what we uncovered from perhaps in the evening, so that'd be great.
I think she's brilliant, quite fun she's funny. She is funny. I
think harr and Sarah doing the karaoke at the festival that was funny moment seeing
them two singing. But yeah, it was great. Yeah. Well unfortunately
we missed out on a bit of that because we turned up in jeans,
didn't we chill My fault. Actually I hadn't sold her. It was like
a top patter and tales do and but but we're going to be in to
being with the in crowd this time because I've actually got myself with dinner,
so we'll be joining you for this one. I want were doing the karaoke,
no, you know what, I was like, No, I'm not
getting up. But then you had the likes of Nil story. He was
fantastic Neil story. He was brilliant, like where he got all the dance
moves and is great. But yeah, yeah, I'm like you. I
was sat at the table. I let everyone else do that. But on
the just watch he was probably showing off at his hips because he was he
had a bad hip before that didn't he was very bad. But I think
he was showing off because his LEAs all right now and he was loving it
story. He was loving to so it was great. He's coming against But
anyway, don't thank you so much for coming. It's been great talking to
you. Thank you for having me. No, it's been great, and
the time goes quick as well. That's yeah. So we were seeing you
in September, not before. I'll pay my fee for the December thing before
then, but we'll look forward to seeing you in September before which I probably
won't. Well, I'm sure we talked before. Yeah, yeah, you
know, but No, definitely excited about seeing you all again, and it
would be great to do an investigation with you guys as well. Absolutely would
tell Sarah that I'll send her a couple of a couple of dates and we'll
get her on the show. Yeah, I mentioned, Yeah, it'll probably
be about June, June time. Probably. You have a laugh with Sarah
the way she talks. Yeah, yeah, she's funny, funny. But
it's been great chatting to you and having a chat. And for all the
people on the radio, we can actually see each other on the on the
screen yourself. We're waving at each other. Yeah, we're waiting. We're
waving at each other, so some people in the video will see it.
But I'll let you go now. Thanks for coming on. Take care of
yourself, Ate all right, cheers, cheers, bob By, Bobby,
thank you for that. Nando enjoyed that be seeing you in September. It's
not before, okay. As I mentioned at the beginning of the show,
there's another show next week and that will put me right back on the schedule.
We're all supposed to be. So that will be Monday, the thirteenth
of May, and my guest will be caught the pain sides. So I
hope you'll join me for that one, and as I said, it will
put me right back on schedule. Of course, as always, if you'd
like to get in touch with me between now, and the next show.
My email address is David Young too q in at your who dot co dot
uk. That's David Young two q in at your hoo dot co dot UK.
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which is called the Kine Sides that will be on Monday, Major third Seins.
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