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Hello and welcome to the show. I'm

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David Young. Now, if you're
a regular listener to the show, you'll

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know I'm still playing catch up as
I was ill a couple of weeks ago

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with a cold, so this particular
show should have been out last week,

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so at the moment I'm running a
week behind schedule. But you'll be pleased

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to know that next week's show,
yes as an Apple one next week actually

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puts me right back on schedule.
Anyway, Right this particular show, my

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guest is a young man named Nando
Disario is paranormal investigator and has become a

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friend. And he also has his
own podcast, which I'm sure you'll be

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telling us all about. So let's
waste no more time to introduce Nandoj Sario

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and welcome to the show. Hi. How you doing. I'm doing fine,

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Thank you as you do good.
I'm really well. Thank you for

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inviting me on your show. You've
been on my list for a while now,

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so it takes a bit of time
to get through to people down the

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list on the sort of thing.
But it's like that. It's the same

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when we do our podcast, because
we do our podcast as well, and

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you get a list of people that
you're trying to get through, plus people

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that you were already invited on.
But no, it was great when you

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messaged me asked me to come.
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we got to meet you at the
festivals. Yeah, we'll talk a good

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weekend. We'll talk about weekend and
obviously we're looking forward to the next Monday,

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September. I'll presume you're going.
I presume you're going. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, Sarah to go
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well in September. Yeah, it's
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this time. I've always got fantastic
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better of a year, don't they. And that's not and that's not putting

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the previous ones down. It's just
that I think it's the collection they you

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know, the collection of guests they
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what with the holes of files team
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meeting like last year, for him
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a good bunch of people and it's
a good laugh. You know, we

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had a great time. So looking
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Yeah, I mean people were actually
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and it's great that. I don't
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of that or not, but the
fact that Cindy Cas is coming over,

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and you know, I think to
be sort of involved in a few investigations

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along with them is going to be
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that was one of the things I
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as well, he's a funny guy
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lovely lady. I've got to speak
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class, and she's again, she's
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So I'm looking forward to meeting her
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as well. Yeah, they will
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anyway, you've got your own podcast, like you just said, it's called

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Portals of Portals to the Paranormal,
isn't it. How has that been going

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for? Uh? We started that
during the COVID, you know, trying

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to find something to do because we
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do certain things. We were trying
to find something just to connect with with

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with our audience. And it was
just by chance my wife Sarah, she

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idea and invited a guest on it, and it's just sort of led from

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there, to be honest, and
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doing it, speaking to different people
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and finding out their stories, and
it's just gone from from that ready.

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So it was a it was just
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us from going mental because being locked
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people was hard. I think it
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Yeah it was criminal actually, but
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was just the initial idea. Sarah
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Lillard from America, and she invited
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and then we just sort of went
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to us doing it now. I
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at some point. I did mention
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I mention I mentioned it to Sarah
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She's on the list. And when
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a Message and the Ranger Day were
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which has got a sort of dat, right, So so you can

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look forward to everyone, Sarah,
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how did you actually get started to
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have experiences as a child, And
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do remember vividally. I did have
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the apparition of my grandmother and you
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I was scared of the dark and
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own. I think it was your
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particular my mom because my parents went
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trying to find itself after that break
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not I must have woke up and
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ran into my mom's room and jumped
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because I didn't like being on my
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and then suddenly I see this glow
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it was a younger version of my
grandmother. Like I remember her as the

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older woman as my grandma, but
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of Ussel. Because when you never
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only later on in life where Sarah
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got involved with it first and then
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off the opportunity to join porters to
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there and it's just gone from there, like to what did I experience?

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Was it? Was it something as
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you think you saw something, and
it's just led from there, really,

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and it's been a great journey since. So you've not had to watch really,

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you've not really had any experiences since
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which I have had another another effort, So the only things that I've seen

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has been based around my family.
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with Sarah. I remember one night, the three boys are in bed,

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Sarah's in bed, Mums sat downstairs
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in that at the time had those
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like once it's closed, you've got
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no wind or anything's going to open. I had the door closed so the

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kids didn't hear the TV playing,
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and a full apparition on my grandfather
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when I did tell people about they
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it? I wasn't asleep, because
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you know, it was. It
was weird because he come and sat

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next to me, and I saw
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know, with his tie his waistcoat
and then for days afterwards, the smell

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of the tobacco that he would smoke
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home from work, I had that
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that was it, tobacco tocco.
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the litorish paper, but strong.
It would have been a strong smell.

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saw him, you know, he
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had his own shops, so as
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smell that that tobacco and the liquorice
paper that he would smoke. So I

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knew the smell because I was around
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that I remember very vivodally. And
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went straight up to Sarah in the
bedroom and I was like, you never

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can believe what I've just seen.
And then there's been little things since.

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Yeah. I think that's what got
me into the paranormal, was those experiences

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trying to make sense of it and
see what is really out there and what

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else we can find out. Mm
hm. I find it interesting that you

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and Sarah are brought together because Sarah
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not my Sarah, no, No, I think she sees more than

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she says, right, doesn't that
she is not a fair voyant or anything

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like that. I thought I just
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on the weekends. She seems to
well, she was actually responding to things,

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you know, So I guess we
all do that though. I think

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in a way, you know,
Sarah's mind is more open than she realizes,

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because she does come out with things
and sense things a lot of the

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time that we do things. But
yeah, well so would you would you

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say that the ghostly side of the
paranormal there's sort of your main interest or

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you've got other things that you're interested
into. For me, is the investigation

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side of it is? What I
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It's uncovering, is keeping the history
alive of these locations, you know,

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and just making sure you know that
we we can keep that alive.

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But then also investigate communicating with spirits
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and hearing their stories, so document
and ever and you know, just

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sharing what we can find with other
people as well. Yeah, well I

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see if the stories match other stories, but from the past, from from

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peevers obviously without prior knowledge of it. You know, that's never a good

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thing if you've got prior knowledge of
somewhere. No, I think. I

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think that's the thing. When we
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investigating a new location, we don't
do a lot of background checks on it

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because what we like to do is
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the background checks so we can validate
what we've picked up to see if it's

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matches what history says. So yeah, when we go into a new location,

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we do the investigation, we document
everything, and then we look into

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it to see what we can validate
from what we've done. Mm hmm.

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I'll tell you. I always mentioned
on a lot of these shows, you

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know, where we do these ghost, ghost hunts and wherever you're parable investigations

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whatever you want to call them,
Why actually started you wanted to do that?

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Was it shows like Most Haunted and
stuff like that. It is funny

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when you're growing up, you don't
know any better, do so yes,

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most Haunted, I think was one
of the most popular in the UK.

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Ghost and all paranormal investigation TV shows
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one, wasn't it really? I
think yeah, I think it was for

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us. You see the way they
do it. But then when you start

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investigating, you learn very quickly is
a lot different to what the TV portraits.

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And you know, I always say
to people, you've got to be

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careful what you're taking from TV and
when you're going out on a paranormal investigation,

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because one thing with TV, they
got to condense everything they did within

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forty five minutes, you know,
and and when they do that, it

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makes it look like they get in
everything exactly or not. Yeah, yeah,

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exactly. Fact the way I side, they've probably been there for normal

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ten hours or at least, they've
got to condense it, and they do

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it over a few days, when
when you're going on an investigation, you

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know you'll be there for six hours
and it doesn't always provide anything, you

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know, sometimes you can have a
very quiet night. So I think sometimes

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people go into doing these paranormal events
thinking something's going to happen all the time

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and are left disappointed. And I
think that's what people need to realize.

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You've just got to be paged.
It's like efficient once. Once you've got

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your rod out and you've casted it
out, you've got to wait for a

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bite. It doesn't happen straight away. And sometimes you get the smallest little

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fish and that's like, that'st like
an investigation. Sometimes you get the smallest

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piece of evidence and that's all you're
going to get for the whole night.

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It's sort of you know, TV
is great, but real life is very

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different to what the TV shows.
I've got to say though, I think

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it is parent. I think it
was like most Haunted, that's probably tweaked

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our interest in the first place,
right from the get go. You know,

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I think we've got we've got to
thank them for that, I think

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in the first place. I know
they've come for a lot of a lot

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of criticism over the years, but
I do think they probably started out with

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good intentions. And you know,
and I think you get to a point

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where you've got a TV company wanted
a TV show, and they expect results

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out of that investigation. So we've
got to have an audience, and of

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course it becomes an entertainment program.
You know, and then I think they

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get kind of caught in that little
trap there. You think, oh,

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nothing's happening. We've got to make
something happen, and you know, I

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think there's a lot of that goes
on with these sorts of things. I

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think the thing with TV, you
sort of lose the main reason you started

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doing these panemal investigations. So we
do it because one is it's great to

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socialize without people and share your learning, you know what, what you've been

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doing and see other people take part. Going with TV, I think it

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becomes more of a chore because you've
got to get viewers, and if you're

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not hitting the viewership levels, then
you're at risk of losing your TV show,

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you know. So it loses that, It loses that initial which they

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did in the end, didn't they
because it had to go online. I

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think now, isn't it? Yeah? And I and I think it you

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lose that passion for it, don't
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it's not a passion anymore. It's
more you know, what we're going to

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do to make the next one better
than the last one, so we continue

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getting what we're looking for. For
me personally, I just like going out

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the EVP recorder, see what I
can find, come home, download it,

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see if I've found anything. And
if I have, I'd like to

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share it with people, so,
you know, like on Facebook, YouTube,

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and I enjoy it. It's not
a sure for me. It's like

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a hobby, but a hobby with
a big passion for the paranorm or as

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well. Yeah sure, I think
Also when I'm going back to the Most

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Haunted again, uh, it's actually
the history of the locations they went to

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as well. They tell you a
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that's what I found the most interesting. Really, forget the parallel investigation part

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of it. I thought the history
of the places they were going through,

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and probably a lot of the places
you never get a chance to go to

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as well, you know, you
get to see what they're like, you

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know, So I'll leave most alone. Now. That's well just I always

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like to mention that because I think
that's what really got most of us.

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I think I think that's a fair
comment. I think a lot of people

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would say, especially from the UK
and with the Most Wanted, would have

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been that trigger. That's s fucking
interested in a lot of people. There

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was nothing like it was it,
you know, do you know? No,

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I don't think there's nothing I can
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I think that was the first thing
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about paranormal and about doing investigations.
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most of what they did do is
give a good in depth history about a

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lot of the locations that they were
doing as well you were learning at the

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same time. But yeah, definitely, well, especially when they did the

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big things like the prisons and things
like that, probably when none of us

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have ever been in prison, but
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I mean, like the history of
places like that, especially when they did

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a couple of American ones as well, which were which were good. But

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yeah, I mean, what about
yourself? What kind of locations do you

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try to find? Do you know? What? You does money come into

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it? That's what I'm trying to
get because some of these locations, as

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I understand it, they they actually
charged quite a bit to go into.

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And we do look at areas of
interest history that you can go without having

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to pay a fee. So we
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known for potential hauntings. You know, we've got the great like the New

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Forest in Hampshire that we can go
to. There's different parts of the New

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Forest and each that has different history, you know, and it also has

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different reported sightings, so we go
to them. But locations, we do

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a fair few locations across the UK. And yes it does cost money,

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you know, they're not going to
give it to you for nothing. But

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some of the locations we've been able
to investigate have been absolutely awesome, you

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know, not just for the paranormal
side of it, but just being in

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the presence of all that history and
you know, the stuff that has gone

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through is amazing. To be able
to go into them and spend time there

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is absolutely awesome. Yeah, we're
talking about it. Just I was going

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to say to you there's probably been
evenings when you know, nothing's actually happening,

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and by about one o'clock in the
morning, you're thinking, you know,

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you're cold and damp and sometimes and
it's so you get you think,

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oh, sort this go over,
you know, and then then all of

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a sudden something leapens. You think
that was interesting, you know, Yeah,

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and it kind of makes the whole
evening worth it. Yeah, definitely,

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I think. You know one place
that we do, we've done a

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fair few investigation it has fought with
and you know, and it's the underground

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tunnels and you know, doing that
sometimes, especially in the in the colder

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months it is freezing and you know, so gold. But when nothing's happening,

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you've got to try and keep that
momentum and try and keep the energy

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levels up. And it's those moments
when you start er enough saying talking about

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other things and not really paying interest, then you notice stuff started happening.

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You know, you start hearing footsteps
in the corner, or you know,

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the rampods will go off suddenly,
and it's not gone off all evening.

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said, paranormal investigation evenings are great,

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you know, but you've got to
be very patient. It's not something that's

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just gonna Like Sarah likes to say, they're not performing monkeys. They'll choose

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when they want to do it,
or they'll choose when they want to make

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their presence known. And you just
got to be patient and just keep going

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at it until I mean hopefully happens. Do you use a lot of equipment

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now you mentioned rempords, so that
I still want to get a red port.

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I'm hoping I've got one on order. Actually I saw this on Facebook.

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They look great for me personally,
you know, I do like using

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different types of equipment. I know, you know, people have different beliefs

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in the way they work and the
way they're they're tuned to do things.

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But if you can get something that
validates the location that you're in and it

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happens on command, for me,
I think that that just shows that something

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is used in the equipment to be
able to bring those answers forward or set

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off the equipment. But to me
personally, I always walk around with a

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camera. I'm always filming whenever we're
doing so I think the best evidence you

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catches stuff on the film and an
EVP recorder. I do tend to use

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them quite a lot when I'm out
on investigation. So what you mentioned camera,

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Do you mean a movie camera or
just the still camera a moving camera?

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So I walk around filming, film
the whole thing. Yeah, I

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film, and then I will come
home and I'll go through all the footage

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and then if I think I've caught
something, I'll start editing it to put

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it into clips of what we've captured. There has been times where we filmed

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the whole investigation and we just put
it on on social media and people can

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say if they've seeing anything, they
put it in the comments, and then

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we can go back on it.
Another thing we like to do is we

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actually put cameras around the location,
so we have five different cameras and we

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set it up and then we stream
it live, so while we're doing our

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investigation, people can actually watch from
home through social media and then they put

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comments to say, oh, we
just saw this or we saw that,

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and then we go back on all
the footage and then we try and analyze

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it to see was it just a
specker dust fine by? Was there actually

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something moving there? So yeah,
we do different things so people that don't

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join us on investigations they can also
watch from home as well. Yeah,

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I mean, and also it's quite
easy there with WiFi is it Wi Fi

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cameras? And I guess that's what
you're saying. You couldn't do it so

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easy in the old days if there
are word cameras and things. But no,

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oh, I never I've actually tried
there. Actually I probably would should

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try the old Wi Fi cameras.
As I say, you mentioned about,

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but that's particles. Just ask what's
your opinion about orbs? See, I

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think you know there is things as
orbs, and you've got to look close

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to you. You've got to look
at the movement. You know, the

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way it moves, the way it
appears. Now, if you look at

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a footage and you see little bits
going across all the time, then you

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can put that down. That's more
and likely there's dust being read from the

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floor upwards where people are walking around, and that's what it is. But

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it's those moments where you get a
specific it's for me, I would say

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it is like a little board light. It's not as transparent as a dust

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particle, so it's got more of
a body to it. And the movement

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the way it moves, so a
dust particle can be prettyoretic or applied right,

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it goes all over the place,
but with an orb the way it

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moves, I've seen some that appear
out of nowhere, but it's sort of

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gently, just moves slower than a
bit of dust or a fly, So

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it depends. I know people say
it's the kind of camera, but you

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know, when I look at it, there's one that we had recently,

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we did an investigation in Portsmouth,
an old manicord with her manner and one

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of our teammates were sat in the
attic and we had the camera filming there

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and it was just her in the
room, sitting on the bed. But

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then behind her you see this light
appear and it sort of floats behind her

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and it goes in an L shape
and then suddenly disappears. You know.

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So I do believe orbs are a
real thing. But you just got to

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watch the movement, the shape and
how it moves, you know, like

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with dust, you can easily tell
if it's a dust tug because of the

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way it moves. It's rapids,
it will go in different directions. But

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when you get a light and nomally
that is moving like it's got a purpose

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and it's move is slower than the
dust, you've got to be mindful,

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you know, open to that thinking
could that be something trying to present itself

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because you're asking it too. Hm. And also if you're outdoors you get

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moisture particles as well, which that's
quite quite similarly to what dust particles do.

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Yes, but again there are orbs
and different places like forests and things.

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I mean I've said this several times
on this show renders from forests.

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I've been in the dead of night
out there, and most of the photo

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should take you this is all black, and all of a sudden you'll get

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three or four or maybe even five
photos have got orbs in them, and

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then you'll just go and then they'll
just go black again. Now, my

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opinion on that is that if they
were all dust particles or all worsted particles,

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you have that on every photo,
on every photo, that's great.

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I think that's the thing. And
for me, I look at the timestamp

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from when we're recording, what was
happening in that room at that moment when

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you see that light at normally,
So with the last one that we just

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did, Julie was set up in
the attic and she had the spirit box

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on and the question at the time
was are there any spirits in this room

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with me? And then as she
said that, that's when this light anomaly

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appeared behind her. So I always
look at what's going on in the room

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at the time that we were recording. Was there anyone else in the room

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that may have had a bit of
light shine on their watch? That course,

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that lighting, you know, so
I'm always looking at funking stuff before

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I put it down to something oh
normal. Ye. You know, you've

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got to be very vigilant. You've
got to think about the location that you're

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in. But we know from that
time when we started recording, she was

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actually left in the room on her
own and the door was closed, so

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we know no one could have created
that light. And again the way it

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was moving, we couldn't recreate it
afterwards. So yeah, but I do

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believe that orbs are a thing.
Yeah, well we agree on that as

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well. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So when you've got people, I

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mean, you forget strangers that you
don't know on some of these things.

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If you go on an investigation,
you don't know if someone's best about.

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I forget things like knocks or something
so creeping about. You've got to be

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picture that people that are not playing
around, don't you sitting in the corner

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bringing on a wall or something.
Yeah, I think very early draws in

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you can sort of pick up the
characters that might be there to wind up

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other people in their group, you
know. So you know, one thing

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we always say to anyone that joins
us is that this is your investigation.

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You know, you choose to do
it the way you want to, we

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will guide you throughout the evening and
give you different techniques and experiments that you

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can try out. But if they
choose to mess around, then that's their

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choice, you know, they just
yeah, but the thing is if they

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expose it for everybody else as well
done it. Yeah. Yeah. We

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can sort of break it down to
watching people's you know, the way their

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body movement, you know, the
way they present themselves, and you've just

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got to be careful sometimes, but
not out of ten times. The customers,

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the guests that we have joined us
are really good. You know,

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we always stand back. So if
they want to do something like I don't

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personally like doing them the Ouiji board
or the spirit board as some people.

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You know, we we we never
get involved. We just watch them,

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We tell them what to do,
and then they can do it. And

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you can sort of see sometimes if
someone's pushing it in a certain direction,

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but yeah, they're they're to mess
around, we will pull it out and

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say, look, we're trying to
document evidence here, let's take this more

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seriously. But then you have the
you know, we have our guests that

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come with us regularly that know how
we work, and they work with us

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to create a really good night.
So yeah, it's that balance, isn't

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it. You're always going to have
the old people that want to clown and

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I think it's partly because they're scared
because they've walken into the unknown. Yeah,

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they're trying to put a face on
and I don't think sometimes they don't

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mean to irritate or be annoying.
They just don't know what to expect,

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so they put a safeguard up to
sort of disguise that they might be a

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little bit scared, shall we say, Yeah, I suppose it's there's always

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that I can ask you, why
is it that you don't do wishable Is

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there a reason for that? All
me personally stories I've looked into it,

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and I've heard other people's stories about
you know, the kind of things that

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could come through. Now. I
don't necessarily believe everything that I read,

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you know, but there's certain things, and you know, being a Catholic

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as well, you know, I
know my mum would would hate if she

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ever found out that I did the
Weedi Boys. She doesn't really get involved

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with the paranormal side of things of
what we do. She doesn't. She

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thinks it's one of those things that's
left better left alone than trying to find

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00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,640
you know, that's my mum.
So I won't be the reachaboo because I

408
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,960
know if she found out, she
won't she won't be happy with me,

409
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:33,039
and that's the last person I want
to upset with me. Mom. You

410
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,400
don't see it's just another tool that
same as your meters and things, do

411
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,839
you know, Because I mean that's
what most are investigators just thinking of it

412
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:45,079
as another all. I think it's
just the stories behind them. Like again,

413
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:52,240
I know that, like the Monica
entities are thrown around a lot,

414
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,920
and again I've never experienced anything like
that. I don't know if I believe

415
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,759
it as much as people say,
but they seem to be attached a lot

416
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:07,799
to the Wiji boards. So for
me personally, I'm there to uncover the

417
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,640
history and what was there. I
don't really want to entice anything that wasn't

418
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200
there and could be harmful. Do
you never know? You know, the

419
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:22,000
paranormal is an industry or a field
that we don't know how. You know,

420
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,319
no one knows exactly how far into
it you can go, what can

421
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,440
really happen? You know, we're
learning every time we go out on an

422
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:37,200
investigation. But I'm not there to
entice anything that's evil. Basically, I

423
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,519
just want to keep it nice and
calm and enjoy it, not have anything

424
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,960
that's going to potentially scare me and
make you run away. That's the best

425
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,880
way of putting it. I think
we've got to point out that it's not

426
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,039
like Hollywood movies, is it,
where you still everything kicks off and you've

427
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:58,640
got all sorts of things flying about. And I think that's the other thing.

428
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,880
A lot of people that don't want
to be involved in the paranormal is

429
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,960
because they've taken away too much of
what Hollywood is presented, you know.

430
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,640
And again a lot it's like demonic
entities and things like that. It's heavily

431
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:19,279
worded on these TV shows and across
YouTube, but I think it's very rare.

432
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,640
You know. I've been doing this
now since COVID, and I've never

433
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,200
come across anything I would say with
demonic. I've had stuff that to come

434
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,119
through that seems a bit annoyed that
we're there maybe and said some you know,

435
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,200
we picked up some you know,
curse cursing language from them, but

436
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:42,799
other than that, nothing evil or
demonic. Yeah, well, I mean

437
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,200
on that note, I mean I
think really when when people go to the

438
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720
other side, they're just like you
and me, aren't they. You get

439
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,160
all sorts of people that are different
types of people. Some people will mess

440
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,720
about on the other side, the
playing around with you. Some people will

441
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:02,119
be very well, no miserables those
and I think some are very violent as

442
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:08,360
well. If they have violent life
in the normal human life, they could

443
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,719
still be the same on the other
side. I think that's what it is.

444
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:19,679
I think, you know that they
were will be the same character as

445
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,000
they were when they depart, And
I think that's what it is, you

446
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,840
know, especially when you've got to
think some of the places that you go

447
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,639
to. But we went to Shepton
Mall in prison, and some of the

448
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,000
prisoners that they were housed at the
time were very evil people, you know,

449
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,519
And I think that's why you pick
up when you're walking through certain cell

450
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:44,480
blocks, you know, quite you
feel uneven, uneased, sorry, And

451
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:45,920
it's because of the kind of presence
that they had there at the time.

452
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,559
I think they cross over the if
they never changed in life, and they

453
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,119
cross over that same person that they
were, that's what you're going to pick

454
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,920
up when you're out on an investigation. It's just an angry spirit. And

455
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,119
you've got members sometimes with eppen into
their domain. You know, we're we're

456
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,639
trying to identify what is there.
They might not want us to do that,

457
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,639
and that's why you get sometimes a
negative response. Mm hmm. Were

458
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:13,320
going back to the ward. Did
you not do it as a child?

459
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,400
No? No? Is that a
child? A teenager? I thought I

460
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,159
thought we all did it as you
know. I remember watching a film and

461
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,679
it was based on the wiki board
and I think I must have been about

462
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:34,280
fourteen. And do you know what
that put the woolies at me? Yeah,

463
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,199
and I will never get it.
And it was just like this particular

464
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:44,599
film, you looked into the eye
of the planned chat as well. This

465
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,920
person was looking around suddenly, Uh, this figure just come jumping out at

466
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,960
her and yeah, that was not
good. That's not good for me at

467
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,840
all. Yeah, I thought I
thought we all did it a see,

468
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,360
I just know we did. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you

469
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,000
a little something. I've told this
on on this show before. But there

470
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,039
was my ex girlfriend at the time, my girlfriend at the time and her

471
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:12,079
friend and her boyfriend. He didn't
believe any of it at all, and

472
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,280
he came in one night. We
never had actual ouiji ball. We used

473
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,119
to put numbers around the table with
a glass and all that, you know,

474
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,639
And we said to him, said, look, let's just try.

475
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Let's try an experiment. You go
sit in the corner and write a word

476
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,199
on a piece of paper and we'll
see if the table will tell us what

477
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,559
you've just written. Anyway? Did
he win and sat in the corner and

478
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:37,000
we asked, we asked the glass, the glass as we called it,

479
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,840
Then what was he just written?
And it started splitting out g u end

480
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,760
and it spelled out of the word
gun. And we said, what did

481
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,119
you write gun on your bit of
paper? And he wrote he sat out

482
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,400
here. I don't believe this,
and he actually he showed us a piece

483
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,880
of paper. He hadn't written the
word gun. He'd drawn a picture of

484
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:01,639
one's intelligent response. And there was
there was no way that he would you

485
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:07,639
know, he went white. Actually
really wow, That's that is evidence,

486
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:12,159
isn't it, because you know it's
a less boy, unless, of course

487
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:15,440
him and his girlfriend works it.
But I don't think that would have I

488
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,519
don't think that was the case.
I do think when you have people that

489
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,519
don't necessarily believe in the paranormal.
There's one story that I remember and it

490
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,960
was a great evening. So again
we were out of Port Widley and there

491
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,159
was a gentleman that come with his
partner and her mother, and as we're

492
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:37,239
walking down the tunnels, he come
and gave me a nudge and it's like,

493
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,639
can I have a quick word with
you? And I was like,

494
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:45,039
yeah, of course, yeah,
something's happened. He's not happy, but

495
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,079
he was like, look, I
don't want to be disrespectful, but I

496
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,039
don't believe in any of this.
I've just come because my girlfriend and their

497
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:53,679
mother asked me to come. And
I was like, do you know what,

498
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,079
It is absolutely fine if you just
want to stand and watch, you

499
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,480
know, and see what happens,
that's absolutely and he was like, okay,

500
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,599
yeah, I'll do that. So
he was stood in the corner.

501
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,360
So the tunnels lead into separate areas
and we went into one of the back

502
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:15,159
rooms and we did a spirit box
session. So they started corner out and

503
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:21,320
then we got very quickly and now
voice come through saying I'm here, and

504
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:28,000
this is in full sentence. We
were trying to identify was you was this

505
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:35,960
spirit links to Fort Widley? You
know, you know anyone here because we

506
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,280
couldn't make any sense of some of
the stuff that was coming out. It

507
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:44,000
was that I'm here with my son. So we're trying to work out has

508
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,679
anyone's dad passed away? So there's
this gentleman in the corner being very quiet,

509
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,920
still not saying anything. And then
it led on to can you give

510
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,360
the people's name that you're trying to
communicate with, So we picked up two

511
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:05,800
names, not knowing it was his
son's. It was a gentleman's girlfriend and

512
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,719
his sister that came through, like
the names came through, but his dad

513
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,119
never actually met his girlfriend. He
had passed away prior to him getting with

514
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,400
his girlfriend. And then the next
thing that happened he I was like,

515
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,360
look, maybe this is something for
you. Do you want to say anything?

516
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,639
It was like, is that you? And then it went yes,

517
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,639
it's me. I'm always here with
you. And then we went back for

518
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:37,360
a break and he come out like
really like trying his girlfriend and the mother

519
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,440
were you know, given him my
hug and he come to me. At

520
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,800
the end of the evening. It
was like that was the best experience I've

521
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:50,159
ever had has made me rethink everything, and it was just like we didn't

522
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,880
expect that to happen. You know, that moment was something personal for him

523
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,000
that had nothing relating to the thought
at all. He'd never been to foot

524
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,360
with me before either. Mm hmmm, So something very positive came out.

525
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,400
And as you know, and as
I know, things happened behind on the

526
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,079
other side. If you like to
get these people to go to these places

527
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,599
sometimes, I mean I believe that
anyway. I think people are actually sholved

528
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,519
from behind, you know, from
the other side, in order to get

529
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:25,000
messages and things and to learn about
things. Yeah, I think, like

530
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,719
you know, I look at that
scenario, was something that like gave them

531
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,840
that thought to go with them,
something more than just I do believe that

532
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:42,079
happens. Yeah, I think,
you know, I think his dad comes

533
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,559
through because he knew his son was
put out of his comfort zone, so

534
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:49,639
he was a bit vulnerable, and
then he used that vulnerability to come through.

535
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:55,639
But the change in his his body
language from a non believer to I

536
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,519
have to rethink that all of this
now because of what's happened, was great

537
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:05,239
because we didn't do anything any different. You literally put the spirit box in

538
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,239
the middle of the room. And
you've got to take into account when people

539
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,800
say about spirit box, it doesn't
work in it. We're under the tunnel,

540
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,679
so it really is under ground where
it doesn't pick up any signal.

541
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,400
As soon as you walk through the
tunnels your phone that you don't get no

542
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,559
phone signal or anything. So for
that to come through very clearly, it's

543
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:30,119
hard to debunk those sort of situations, and they're the best moments because we

544
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,400
weren't expecting something like that to happen. Yeah, Oh, it's all about

545
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,599
spirit boxes. And we've got ron
Yacovetti coming. I'm actually intrigued to be

546
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,960
hearing what he's going to be coming
out with. Actually, I actually did

547
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,679
a show of him which is coming
out very shortly on here, and it

548
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,519
was absolutely fascinated, you know,
so we should look forward to that.

549
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,639
What is your feeling on Do you
know much about what the white noise thing

550
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:09,280
with his system? I haven't seen
much of what you said noticing him statical.

551
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,039
Yeah, I've only just started notinging
really recently because he's been a lot

552
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:17,639
on a lot of podcasts recently.
I think it's him his partner and then

553
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,880
two other team members as well,
isn't there? Yeah? Lord his Gonzales

554
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,079
what and there's two other members I
don't know what their names are actually,

555
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,840
but it's going to be good because
they're going to be at the Festival the

556
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,559
Unexplained this year as well. Yeah, and why can in conjunction with Dave

557
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:35,440
Frieder and Cyndy Kaser, it's going
to be fascinated, you know, yeah,

558
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:40,079
as well as as well as Steady
And what else we've got is there's

559
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:44,440
Daniel Class as well. Danny Klass
is going to be there. Then you've

560
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:51,719
got Dan Spragg and Adam Opley from
With all of them together, it's going

561
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,480
to be fascinated, I think,
because they're going to be in the same

562
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,840
place together basically, I guess you're
going to the not on the Halls of

563
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,800
Justice all the Games of Justice what
when they call it. Yeah, it's

564
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,360
going to be great to see how
each of them as individuals carry out their

565
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,800
techniques and you know, learn from
them and see what they can do.

566
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,039
Yeah, and it's going to be
great. It's going to be good fun

567
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,440
because I mean, Cindy gives the
impression that she's a really good medium.

568
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,239
Actually when you see her on the
TV, so I guess we'll see that

569
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,920
first hand, won't we. Yeah, what would be great, you know

570
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,280
because Cindy also does the psychic drawings
as well, and I would love to

571
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,800
see how that starts happening. I
don't know if she's going to give an

572
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,440
example of that when we're when she's
going to come down for the festival,

573
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:44,599
but I would really like to see, you know, what's her body language

574
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,840
when that starts happening, you know, does she you know, it's just

575
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,960
so fascinating. Like when I was
talking to her about her was she was

576
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,440
explaining to me and she just gets
these images and then it's like her hand

577
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,800
is you know, she just starts
putting pen to paper or pencil paper and

578
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:07,119
then just draws, which I just
think it's great what she can do.

579
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,280
Yeah, I mean, I think
it's fascinating when you just see her sitting

580
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,239
writing and she's just writing so fast. How can she actually read what she's

581
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,559
writing afterwards? How does that come? Do you understand what? What what

582
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:23,800
happens there? Because I don't understand
it when we see it on the CV.

583
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,119
She never actually shows you the handwriting, do you But she'll come out

584
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,519
with what's actually been written, so
I don't quite understand what happens. And

585
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,599
and like you said, the speed
that she's going, you wouldn't think she's

586
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,519
actually writing anything that she can read
because it's like quite far. But yeah,

587
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,599
I want to see how she does
it and just watch, you know,

588
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:51,159
because I think that's fascinating what she's
able to do. Yeah. I

589
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,039
think that'd be a few souvenirs for
people as well, so they can get

590
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,880
a signature and it's going to be
it's going to be good weekend. I

591
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,239
think it'll be great. Yeah.
H would you get into things like table

592
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,519
tipping and stuff like that as well. Yeah, the team table tip and

593
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:15,360
we try all the experiments. We
try different techniques because you know, and

594
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,119
I think as an individual, each
of us learn like there's certain things that

595
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
one person likes to do more than
others. You know. We have had

596
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,920
some great responses from table tipping,
for example, where the tables being actually

597
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:35,280
everyone's hands off the table and it's
standing on two legs and it just stays

598
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,760
there. Yes, I think everyone
in the team have individual things that they

599
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,800
like doing most. For me,
like I said, for me, is

600
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,800
I just like capturing everything that we
do, because I think the best thing

601
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,000
is if you can show it from
a camera. I think it's just awesome

602
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,559
to capture that. And then it's
good because sometimes, you know, I

603
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,280
like to go back on pasting investigatations
and just watch the kind of things,

604
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,239
and it's good to document that because
then if that happens again, so well,

605
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,679
this happened a year ago, and
we're having the same thing happening now,

606
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,599
and you can sort of show that
you know that it corresponds to previous

607
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:19,000
investigations as well. Yeah, okay, let's go a bit deeper. Now,

608
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480
what do you think? What do
you think we're actually talking to on

609
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:27,760
the other side? Do you believe
it's us when we die and we're in

610
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,320
a place where we've you know,
we've not actually passed into an even better

611
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,599
place? Now, what's your theory
of depth? So what you mean when

612
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,559
we're out investigating, I mean no, I mean when when we actually die,

613
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:44,920
When we when we you and I, when we die we pass over,

614
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,159
what happens we do we go into
like a like an in between place,

615
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,639
like a waiting room if you like, before we go into the even

616
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:57,559
better place. Have you seen?
And on our value, the people that

617
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:04,400
we're talking to and summer trapped they
don't go on to I necessarily believe spirits

618
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:12,519
are tract I believe is once we
pass on, we can choose either to

619
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:16,480
stay or move on. Even when
we move on, I do believe that

620
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:22,400
we're able to come back. And
you know, I think we're just living

621
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,840
in a different dimension in a way. You know, we live here in

622
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,800
the physical world, but when we
pass on, we're still living in spirit.

623
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,119
But we choose what we want to
do. I don't necessarily think that

624
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:38,960
we're trapped or bounded on earth.
I think it's all the choice. We

625
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,960
have a choice in life now,
and I believe we go on to have

626
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,159
a choice in the spirit world as
well well. So I mean basically what

627
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:52,199
you're saying is if if it's if
it's kind of inter dimensional stuff things are

628
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,559
around us all the time. Really, Yeah, I believe that's just outside

629
00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:01,559
of our vision of what we can
perceive. Yeah, yeah, I think

630
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:08,559
sometimes, you know, the reason
spirits are and at locations that we investigate

631
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,079
is because that's where they want to
be, and they just continue living in

632
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:19,719
the spirit world where they feel most
comfortable. You know. I know people

633
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,320
have the beliefs that people are stuck
here. Some people say if they have

634
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,880
a bad life, they've got nowhere
they go, so they just roam in

635
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,039
the earth the world for the rest
of their life or wherever they were.

636
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,480
But for me, I just think
when you pass on, you get that

637
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,119
choice of what you want to do. Well, that's what I like to

638
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:42,519
believe is a choice. And yeah, we you know, for example,

639
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:46,440
with the experiences that I've had with
my grandfather, and you know, I've

640
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,079
experienced him more than once, you
know, in different ways, and I

641
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,480
think he comes back and forth to
let me know that he's still around.

642
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,679
You know. I went through a
stafe where I was quite ill, not

643
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:07,880
last year, the year before.
I had two blog dots and I never

644
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,840
get so Sarah said, I was
in and out of sleep, but she

645
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,639
said that I was saying to her, everything's okay, my non not,

646
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:21,840
which is Italian for granddad. It's
telling me everything's going to be okay.

647
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,039
But then even when I come around
afterwards, I could smell the tobacco around

648
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:30,079
me like he had been around me, like older me or something, you

649
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:34,360
know. So I do believe they
can come and go when when they please,

650
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,880
and you know, like that experience
that made me believe that he knew

651
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:43,760
I needed someone, so he was
there for me. Mm hmm. Yeah.

652
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,400
I mean, do you believe in
reincarnation and stuff like that? Oh

653
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:57,320
well, stuff like that, I
mean reincarnation stuff like that again, you

654
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,559
know, it could be a possib
ability because they say that things like deja

655
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,880
foot could be relating to something that
you've had in the past life. You

656
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,920
know, I'm not sure on that
one. That one on a bit.

657
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,840
You know, if it do you
come back as something else? Do you

658
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,280
choose what you come back as?
You know, I don't know what's your

659
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,239
thoughts on I actually I actually do
believe in it. Yeah, yeah,

660
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,840
I mean when you hear about so
you get children that come out with a

661
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,519
dead not a dead language or something, don't they like ancient Chinese or something,

662
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,039
or they'll have memories of actually dying
somewhere or something like that. You

663
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:43,079
do hear about these stories? Where
where would they get that from? Unless

664
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,360
unless it was from a pro something. I mean, the scientific argument for

665
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,559
that is they've got it in their
genes and it's some sort of memory in

666
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:52,760
their genes. I don't I don't
agree with that. I think they've actually

667
00:50:52,760 --> 00:51:00,199
got a physical memory some somehow,
you know. I think, like I'm

668
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,920
on the fence about that because I
don't know sure. I can never say

669
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,119
it's not true because people, like
you said, have had experience, and

670
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:12,199
I think everyone's entitled to believe what
they've experienced, you know, when when

671
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,000
I'm not here to ever say it's
not true or it's not real, because

672
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,280
if someone believes they've had that experience, then it's got to come from somewhere,

673
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,039
like you said, you know,
so it could quite possibly be.

674
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:27,360
Recarnation is a thing, you know, And when I have had that conversation

675
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,039
and it's come up, you know, my sort of thought process would be,

676
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,920
where then do you go to the
other side and then you choose what

677
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,440
you know when you want to come
back or you know how you come back

678
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,599
and things like that. So I
think, and again it's another choice that

679
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:46,559
they make it on the other side. Mm. I mean, I've always

680
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:50,280
said that, well, not really
a fear of water, but I never

681
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,119
really liked water. But when I
was growing up and when I was a

682
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:58,079
kid, I didn't like going to
something pools and things like that, and

683
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,639
I did have a I have a
feeling that I drowned at some point,

684
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,679
you know. So whether that's a
memory or if it's a false memory,

685
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,239
I don't know. But I did
have a feeling that I drowned once.

686
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,679
So whether that's as I say,
I don't know if it's actually a false

687
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,679
memory or something, but that it
could be something that you've experienced it,

688
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,559
like you said, in the past
life and that's why, Yeah, you

689
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,840
have that dislike to water. I
don't get a failing that's what it was.

690
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,400
But I will say, unfortunately,
you can't prove anything, can you.

691
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,119
You know, it's it's one they
think. You can't say. There's

692
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:35,920
not a right or wrong answer for
that, you know, because you know,

693
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,760
and I say this about a lot
of things, we're not going to

694
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:44,360
know exactly the truth about the other
side until we take that journey into the

695
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,480
other side and experience it for ourselves, you know. So it's just a

696
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,679
shame we won't be able to really
come back and do a talk on it

697
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,599
and tell everyone what it's actually like. It's just something that we just need

698
00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:59,840
to continue what we're doing on the
on the Earth now with the panel investigation

699
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:05,519
documented, showing people and sharing the
evidence that we pick up and then hopefully

700
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,079
when we pass on, we experienced
the other side of it all. Yeah,

701
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,000
i'll tell you Jill, my wife. You've probably met her. Don't

702
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,960
know if you remember very well,
but I remember before we had great conversations.

703
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,320
We didn't know that big fire place. We did, yes, I

704
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:30,679
didn't know. If you do know
it, you can't forget you. I

705
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,360
think our conversation started me and I
was I come up to you, and

706
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,360
I was like, I've seen your
post on Facebook and some of the stuff

707
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,400
that you put on there, you
know, And I think that's what I'm

708
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,440
always getting banned all the time I've
been paying for a while. You haven't

709
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:51,920
any well, been taken down.
The strange thing is everything I've been saying

710
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,800
and getting bayed for, it's all
coming out of the newsday I've seen.

711
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,440
But yeah, I think that's what
we first started talking about, because it

712
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:06,400
was like, make me laugh.
You're very directly and it's funny. But

713
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:09,119
yeah, keep that anyway. I
was saying that before I knew her.

714
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:15,039
Way back probably it must be about
twenty ydso years ago now. She actually

715
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,559
died three times all the way to
the hospital because she's got She probably asked,

716
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,679
I'll tell her to tell you the
story when we speak to you when

717
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:27,960
when we see you. Yeah,
she's got bad, Yes she has to

718
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,000
have the puffer things. Oh,
yeah, she's got aspa is quite as

719
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,800
bad as you can't get it,
you know, but it's it's controlled with

720
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,960
the asper pumps or everything. Yeah. Once when when she was actually married

721
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,000
previously, in her previous marriage,
she actually died on the way to the

722
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:47,760
hospital three times, and she she
actually remembers going and seeing the light and

723
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,280
everything and actually making the choice to
come back. So what you said about

724
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:57,599
giving it, making that choice,
she actually remembers making that choice. That

725
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,519
she could have carried on into it, but she had She knew she had

726
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:08,239
to come back because she had younger
children, had adults there obviously, But

727
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:15,400
she feels that she was given a
choice to come back. I think you

728
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920
know that that that's the nice side
of it, you know, having that

729
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,039
choice. Still, it's like that
film ghost have you seen it? With

730
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:28,960
me more? And he passes away, but because he did so much good,

731
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,800
he had the choice very quickly to
go into the light, but he

732
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,960
chose to stay behind to make sure
his loved one was she was okay,

733
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,639
which kind of demonstrates what you were
talking about earlier. Yeah, and I

734
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:45,320
think and then with Jill's experience as
well, sort of you know, that's

735
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,199
the the way I think of it, And it's great to hear someone that's

736
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,519
actually, we'll not experienced that sort
of depth. You know, that must

737
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:57,679
have been scary, but seeing the
light, having the choice, you know,

738
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,719
that's what I always say. It's
always about a choice. I think

739
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,639
when we cross over. Yeah,
and she died. Exaggerated when she said

740
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,880
she died, because what actually happened
is the ambulance people, the ambulance drivers

741
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,280
that were taking her to the hospital
actually came in to see her in the

742
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,360
hospital and actually told her that she
should die, you know, a couple

743
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,519
of times on the way to the
hospital when they brought her back. That's

744
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,400
amazing. It's like when my grandfather
passed away as well. Another thing that

745
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:30,159
I do believe is if you have
a strong connection with family members or people

746
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,079
that meant a lot to you,
they come and collect you just before you

747
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:38,719
pass away. Well, and it
was two nights before my grandfather passed away.

748
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:44,280
He turned around and told me that
his brother was with him, and

749
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,039
his brother had passed away a long
time ago, you know, and he

750
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:51,880
was like, everything's okay, my
brother's here. He kept saying about my

751
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,880
grandmother on her name out and then
two days later he passed away, you

752
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,000
know. So I think that they
were there waiting for him to take us

753
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:04,440
last break so they can show them
where he was going next and sort of

754
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,679
guide them through as well. I
do believe that's a possibility as well.

755
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:12,760
Yeah, I've actually spoken to nurses
so have actually experienced that as well.

756
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:17,559
They've actually seen the person's demeanor change, they've been on their deathbed, They've

757
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,079
actually seen them. They have actually
seen the look on their faces are not

758
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,320
as if they're talking to somebody or
there's somebody they know, is there.

759
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,840
Yeah, And I think a lot
of people say it's it's the drugs,

760
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,199
like the morphine that they're put on
towards the end of life. But I

761
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,920
sometimes think, no, there's more, you know, Especially with my granddad,

762
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,519
he was very you know, he
was using their names like they were

763
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,599
stood there with me, for example. And I do believe that, you

764
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:51,360
know, that that is a possibility
as well. And that's only because that's

765
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,360
what I've seen and you know,
sort of watching him pass away. I

766
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:00,639
do believe that's he was collected by
the people that he love the most.

767
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:07,280
Yeah, sure, have you got
any experiences of your own own spirit guides

768
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:15,320
or anything? See no spirit guides
to me. I think the only thing

769
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:22,039
that I experienced every so often is
is my grandfather every so often and my

770
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:27,559
auntie, you know, every so
often. You know, I have weird

771
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:34,800
dreams sometimes, and you know,
it's like, but the dreams that I

772
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,159
have, I don't know if it
is just a dream, but they just

773
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:39,800
seem so real that you wake up
and you're like, you actually feel that

774
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:50,639
emotion. Does that make sense that
where I'm walking as an infant child coming

775
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:54,719
out of infant school, and I
was picked up by my grandparents or and

776
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,800
we're walking down the street where they
used to live, and it's like they're

777
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,800
talking to me, but I can
never hear them, but I can see

778
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:06,199
their faces, and then suddenly they
sort of walk into the background and sort

779
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,119
of disappear, and then suddenly I
wake up, and it makes me think

780
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,320
they just letting me know that they're
there. And again every so often,

781
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,360
like even to this date, the
smell of the tobacco, you know,

782
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:22,719
I smell tobacco around me and that
makes me think that he's here, especially

783
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,760
if I'm going for a bit of
a rough patch, you know, I

784
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,320
get and then it's just like that
little okay, I'm getting a little nudge

785
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,079
here to say keep going, keep
doing what you're doing. Everything's okay.

786
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:36,719
And that's the way I sort of
interpret it when something like that, but

787
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,719
actual, like spirit guides talking to
me and things that I don't think everyone

788
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:45,920
says everyone has that ability, but
I don't think I'm tuned in or on

789
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,360
that frequency level to be able to
say that I've got an actual spirit guide

790
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,039
guide to me doing things. Well, apparently you will have. It's usually

791
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:58,199
mediums to tell you about your spirit
guide, and it's somebody who can who

792
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,079
actually can see them or whatever I
mean. I was once told that I

793
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:06,559
had I think he had a long
air Force jacket and he stared with his

794
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,239
head on his shoulder. One of
the first meetings I ever went to,

795
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,119
the first I had a reading done
at the Festival of the unexplained by Rob

796
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:22,960
Thompson, and and it was weird
because I was expecting that if I was

797
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,519
to get anything with being my grandfather, my grandmother, and my auntie,

798
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:31,199
the three people that I've always been
around. It was funny. The gentleman

799
01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:36,840
that come through was actually an old
pe teacher from school and I was like,

800
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:40,079
okay, this is not yeah,
And I was a bit on the

801
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:45,599
fence, but this particular pet he
was a great teacher. He you know,

802
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:50,960
I struggled in school and he helped
me through school. If it wasn't

803
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,239
for him, I don't think I
would have got free. But what validated

804
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:58,440
it for me was Rob Thompson was
able to give me his first name and

805
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:06,119
his sur name really woman Ellis.
And the thing is and the thing that's

806
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:10,519
even good. I've never referenced that
teacher to Sarah for her to say anything.

807
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,719
I've never even referenced him on a
Facebook post or anything, but for

808
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,719
him to say Norman Ellis, and
he described and Rob described the teacher to

809
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,039
a tea. He was bold,
but with the hair on the side.

810
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,400
He was built because he was a
pee teacher, so he was very fit.

811
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,719
And it was one of the things
that he said. He goes,

812
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:34,079
oh, your teacher retired, didn't
he? And I was like yeah,

813
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,159
And he was like everyone would say, oh, we've got rid of mister

814
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:40,760
Ellis now. And then he come
back as a pee teacher and that message

815
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,039
comes through, and apparently he was
laughing about it and that was great,

816
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:51,920
and he was saying to me,
he's always around you, So he could

817
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,679
be a spirit guide in a way
that I don't know about, but apparently

818
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,760
he's a Aaron spirit always watching over
me. Yeah. I mean, you

819
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:06,280
do hear that. Some people you
do meet in life, oh they're actually

820
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,920
you may well you have a spiritual
connection to them at some point you may

821
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:15,320
not even realize it. But some
people you meet, you do get that

822
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,280
instant bonding, don't you if you
know, because if you've known them for

823
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,280
years kind of thing. And I
think that's the last thing about I think

824
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,800
we make so many friends in the
in the in the business, if we

825
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:35,119
want to call it. Yeah,
I think what's great is that we can

826
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:39,880
use the festival the an explained a
really good example. Everyone comes to these

827
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:45,239
events with a very open mind,
and you can have those open conversations without

828
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:49,079
getting the odd looks. Do you
know when you're speaking to someone that's never

829
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,920
experienced it may not necessarily believe it, and then you see their eyes sort

830
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,960
of twitching a little bit, going
Okay, this code come out of the

831
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,719
cooking nest, you know, with
what you're telling, but then when you

832
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,320
speak with other people that we did
at the festival, everyone had an experience

833
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,039
nearly that I spoke to there,
and everyone had a real interest in the

834
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,920
field and you know, trying to
find out more. And it was great.

835
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:15,800
It was a really good weekend to
meet different people. But all you

836
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:21,760
know, really good open minded people
and willing to accept different people's beliefs and

837
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,119
everything without a really heavy debate about
it all. Yeah, sure, we

838
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,119
just to wind that way on your
show, do you get do you deal

839
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:37,440
in all types of paranormal or yeah? You know, for me, I

840
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:45,000
want to I like paranormal investigators,
what we do the historians, europology.

841
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:49,039
You know. It's because I think
the paranormal is not just about ghosts or

842
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:53,320
spirits. There's a lot more out
there, you know that we could be

843
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:58,280
talking about. Like UFOs is a
big thing at the moment. So yeah,

844
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:05,440
isn't it. Once you're at my
bookshelf, you you know, gait

845
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:10,400
to find out how people got into
the field and what their experiences are.

846
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:14,079
So our show is sort of like
highlight and then just having a good time.

847
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:16,519
It's just like I always say,
is just talking to a mate and

848
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:21,880
having a good time. It's chilled, relaxed. Then just share everyone's experience

849
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,639
as well. Yeah, I mean, what is your Do you believe in

850
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:30,360
UFOs? I believe so. Yeah, I definitely believe there's something more out

851
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,039
there than Yeah, I definitely believe
in UFOs. Yeah, I mean,

852
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:40,280
I've come to the conclusion, whether
it's right or wrong, I don't believe

853
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,719
they're all the extraterrestrial I do believe
in extraterrestrial life. Don't get me wrong.

854
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,880
I do believe they've visited us,
but I do I have come to

855
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:51,159
the conclusion there that we're also having
insta dimensional beings visiting us as well,

856
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:56,400
where they've got the means to actually
come through to and and I think a

857
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,960
lot of I've seen a lot of
connections between the spiritual world, if you

858
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:05,599
like, or ghosts or whatever another
paranor incidents that go on, and I

859
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:10,199
think a lot of it's all linked, you know. Yeah, I think

860
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:14,440
there's a possibly that you can draw
all all the fields together, you know,

861
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:16,159
and sort of you know, bring
it all in as one. And

862
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,079
you know, I think there's elements
of what we do on the paranormal investigation

863
01:05:20,199 --> 01:05:26,280
when we're trying to communicate with spirits
that you quite possibly do with, you

864
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,519
know, trying to connect with the
beings up there for example. You know,

865
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:35,199
it's it is like I always said, we're never going to know for

866
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:41,039
sure. We just got to keep
building our portfolios and building our experiences and

867
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:45,760
just document it so, yeah,
we can just show what we found out.

868
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,039
Yeah, I do believe there's something
more out there. Yeah, it's

869
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,719
got to be. If there's different
planets out there that you know, different

870
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,000
solar systems, there's got to be
more out there than we know about.

871
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:00,280
Yeah. I mean it's like worlds
within worlds. I mean you when you

872
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,480
look at just the universe, basically
that could all be inside of a table.

873
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:10,599
Yeah, you see, you know, because who knows, Because I'm

874
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:15,239
in an atoms built the same way
as the solar system, So it's who

875
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,000
knows it could it could be the
way is you could be in the chair,

876
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:20,480
were lived in a cheer league or
something. Yeah, you know,

877
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:26,400
there's there's so many possibilities. We
just got to find a way to try

878
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,159
and uncover it the best way we
can. Yeah, I'm starting to get

879
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:32,920
my head a little bit around the
holographic universe as well. I mean at

880
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:39,039
one point I could understand what what
what was meant by it, but on

881
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:43,360
beginning that's kind of understand that it
could be a possibility. The holographic universe.

882
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:49,800
Now there's so many different things.
You know, it's just finding the

883
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:57,559
right way to to investigated yourself so
you're happy with what you're doing. Everyone

884
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,119
has different techniques. It's just finding
the right way into it and then understanding

885
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:05,159
it and going for ends see what
you can find. Yeah, well,

886
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:09,039
unfortunately it likes of us. I
mean, we've got no way of really

887
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:14,159
investigating things like that, not the
hiographic universe, but we we've only got

888
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:18,920
bigger mind bigger minds than ours to
read about and sort of try and take

889
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:23,440
a lot of it in. I
mean, the I know how you feel.

890
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,480
But I'm a big follower of David
David Nike. Actually, about ten

891
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,679
years ago I sort of got interested
in what to f find out what it

892
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,639
was all about, and he just
blown me away with at the first time

893
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:38,039
I went to see him, and
they've been reading his books ever since.

894
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:41,960
And I think the man's the genius, I really do. And he I

895
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,639
mean a lot of his theories I
when you hear about the reptilians and all

896
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:46,639
that, and that's a lot of
that is all taken out of context where

897
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:54,360
you actually know what he's actually talking
about, which are inter dimensional beings mm

898
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,840
hm. But so I'd recommend anyone
who's interested in that type of thing to

899
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,280
pick up the David Light book and
you'll find the absolutely fascinating. Yeah.

900
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:06,519
I think there's possibilities for everything,
Like you've got the cryptos as well.

901
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:12,079
You know, that's something that I've
been looking into. You know, I've

902
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:16,239
been reading a lot of different stories
of different things, like the Jersey Devil

903
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:23,399
for example, the Big for the
you know, there's so many different things.

904
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,359
Some of it do I think someone
has just drawn a picture and put

905
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,359
a story to it, and then
people believe that it's a real thing.

906
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:36,039
It could possibly be sometimes, Yeah, I just I would that would be

907
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:41,560
my thing if I can go and
investigate or go and explore to try and

908
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,880
uncover it, if there's a real
thing like and things like that, I

909
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,439
would love to do something like that. Take me with you, We'll go

910
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,359
off together, because I'll go with
you. Yeah, well we're going to

911
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:57,079
We're going to see you in November
don't. Well, yes, we're doing

912
01:08:57,119 --> 01:09:00,760
an investigation with you. I think
I'll still I think I've got a pain

913
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,960
of rest of more fee off for
that. But so, yeah, you're

914
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,840
coming to the cavern and Hatch with
us. Yeah, I'm looking forward to

915
01:09:08,199 --> 01:09:11,840
some penny joining us as well that
night. It's an amazing place. So

916
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,800
I've been there twice. It's the
secret the secret nuclear bunker. It's a

917
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,920
messive. It's it's actually quite funny
when you see the signs the secret nuclear

918
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:27,600
bunker and but but it doesn't look
that big from the outside though, does

919
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,079
it. It is massive. When
you go down, you go down,

920
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:33,079
then you go down a lot.
Have you actually been there. I've never

921
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:35,960
been there before. That you're gonna
love it. You're gonna love you know,

922
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,159
and then I know it. Deal
will be with you in the night.

923
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,800
It's going to be great. So
we can go off and do our

924
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,800
little thing and see what we can
uncover. And it's going to be great

925
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,319
to see you guys again. But
we see you see, so we'll be

926
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:53,199
able to talk a bit about that
anyway. But I don't know, it

927
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:55,800
would be good things. It's going
to be in December, so I think

928
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,680
you will wrap up wall for that, because I think it might be in

929
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:05,680
December. I think I'm pretty sure
it was. Yeah, do you know

930
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,600
what I would say? Definitely,
definitely wrap up. If you're going to

931
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,479
be it'll be wrapping up to keep
warm. But it's going to be a

932
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,199
great evening. All we've got to
do is it's not saying for the snow

933
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,760
to get there because it's it's quite. It's out on the countryside, so

934
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,600
it'd be a bit of a chock
there other fingers crossed. But no,

935
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:29,239
I'm excited for that investigation because we've
got Penny joining us as well, and

936
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,720
she knows a lot of the history
there as well, so it happens she'll

937
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,479
be able to validate a few things
for us as well. And then you

938
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,399
guys are going to be there,
so that's going to be fun. Yet,

939
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:42,680
I think Wayne Wayne Satan is going
to be coming as well. Do

940
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:47,920
you know why? He runs the
place for me? No way, He's

941
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:56,840
got a Spooklauri. He's got a
Spooklauri podcast. He does. But when

942
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,560
I told him that we're going,
he said, oh, I'll have the

943
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:09,840
corner. Well, he lives in
Colchester, so that's another great, great

944
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,079
afterwards is that you guys can all
come on my podcast and we can talk

945
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:15,920
about the night, what happened,
what unfolded, and things like that.

946
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:19,520
We have to get you Jill and
we'll get well, you won't get Jilled.

947
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,039
I'll try to get her on the
show. She she won't come on,

948
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:28,079
she's too shy. But we'll get
you on and Penny and we can

949
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:31,880
discuss what we uncovered from perhaps in
the evening, so that'd be great.

950
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,319
I think she's brilliant, quite fun
she's funny. She is funny. I

951
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:42,600
think harr and Sarah doing the karaoke
at the festival that was funny moment seeing

952
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,119
them two singing. But yeah,
it was great. Yeah. Well unfortunately

953
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,880
we missed out on a bit of
that because we turned up in jeans,

954
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,800
didn't we chill My fault. Actually
I hadn't sold her. It was like

955
01:11:54,199 --> 01:12:00,119
a top patter and tales do and
but but we're going to be in to

956
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:01,680
being with the in crowd this time
because I've actually got myself with dinner,

957
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:11,760
so we'll be joining you for this
one. I want were doing the karaoke,

958
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,199
no, you know what, I
was like, No, I'm not

959
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:17,920
getting up. But then you had
the likes of Nil story. He was

960
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,000
fantastic Neil story. He was brilliant, like where he got all the dance

961
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:26,880
moves and is great. But yeah, yeah, I'm like you. I

962
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,279
was sat at the table. I
let everyone else do that. But on

963
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:33,359
the just watch he was probably showing
off at his hips because he was he

964
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:38,800
had a bad hip before that didn't
he was very bad. But I think

965
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,920
he was showing off because his LEAs
all right now and he was loving it

966
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:49,399
story. He was loving to so
it was great. He's coming against But

967
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:54,159
anyway, don't thank you so much
for coming. It's been great talking to

968
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:57,880
you. Thank you for having me. No, it's been great, and

969
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,159
the time goes quick as well.
That's yeah. So we were seeing you

970
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:11,159
in September, not before. I'll
pay my fee for the December thing before

971
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:16,840
then, but we'll look forward to
seeing you in September before which I probably

972
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:21,640
won't. Well, I'm sure we
talked before. Yeah, yeah, you

973
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,720
know, but No, definitely excited
about seeing you all again, and it

974
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,840
would be great to do an investigation
with you guys as well. Absolutely would

975
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:31,800
tell Sarah that I'll send her a
couple of a couple of dates and we'll

976
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,279
get her on the show. Yeah, I mentioned, Yeah, it'll probably

977
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:44,199
be about June, June time.
Probably. You have a laugh with Sarah

978
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:48,840
the way she talks. Yeah,
yeah, she's funny, funny. But

979
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:55,359
it's been great chatting to you and
having a chat. And for all the

980
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:57,920
people on the radio, we can
actually see each other on the on the

981
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,800
screen yourself. We're waving at each
other. Yeah, we're waiting. We're

982
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,520
waving at each other, so some
people in the video will see it.

983
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:08,760
But I'll let you go now.
Thanks for coming on. Take care of

984
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,279
yourself, Ate all right, cheers, cheers, bob By, Bobby,

985
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,279
thank you for that. Nando enjoyed
that be seeing you in September. It's

986
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:20,359
not before, okay. As I
mentioned at the beginning of the show,

987
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:26,640
there's another show next week and that
will put me right back on the schedule.

988
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,920
We're all supposed to be. So
that will be Monday, the thirteenth

989
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:34,399
of May, and my guest will
be caught the pain sides. So I

990
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:38,279
hope you'll join me for that one, and as I said, it will

991
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:41,319
put me right back on schedule.
Of course, as always, if you'd

992
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:44,079
like to get in touch with me
between now, and the next show.

993
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,800
My email address is David Young too
q in at your who dot co dot

994
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,760
uk. That's David Young two q
in at your hoo dot co dot UK.

995
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:58,800
Of course you can help email me
anytime about anything, so I shall

996
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,760
leave it there. So I hope
you'll joined me for the next show,

997
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:05,159
which is called the Kine Sides that
will be on Monday, Major third Seins.

998
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,279
So until then, take care of
your buddy and I'll speak to you

999
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:20,960
then bye bye, wouldn't it leave
date pleasant dreams. Hey, ladies and

1000
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:27,279
gentlemen. I cannot too strongly stress
the necessity for condness. Do not allow

1001
01:15:27,319 --> 01:16:29,520
yourselves to be emotionally disturbed by those
messages. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays

1002
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,039
on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.