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and welcome to the show. I'm David Young. Well, after the last
show which she was very controversial with James Francis Welsh, I hope we've all
had to listen to that everything that James has come up with. Now on
this particular show, we've got another witness of a craft and he saw the
craft of a very strange angle which is very unusual, as you will hear.
My guest name is Colin Saunders. He has a book out describing this
encounter. I believe you'll find his story very intriguing. So here we go
with Collin Saunders College. Welcome to the show. Hello David, thank you
for inviting me, it's a great pleasure to welcome you through paranormal dimensions,
the biggest and the best show or the year, so I'm told. Anyway,
I know you've been doing a few of these other podcasts, a few
podcasts in already, and you've got a few more line up, so I
hope you don't get fed up. You're sort of telling your story, which
which is quite a very intrigue, intriguing story actually about the triangle shape craft.
Um oh yeah, let's let's just go back a little bit into your
new into your past if you like. Were you interested in UFOs as a
child, et cetera. No, funnily enough, I wasn't. I got
no interest in UFOs at all, just a passing interest in Star Wars,
you know. I went to see that when it first came out back in
the age. But I was never really into UFOs in any big where.
I was never any member of groups or or went to any conferences of anything
along those lines. I didn't even buy the UFO magazines. Now, there
was no interest at taught before the before the sighting, but obviously that's what
spart. My interest was the actual encounter or that time, So that's That's
actually an important factor, isn't it, Because it's when you actually make the
same thing happened to me really as I thought saw a lot of UFO back
in sixty seven, and it just sort of strikes you. They're real,
they exist. You know that That must have been the way it happened with
you as well. Yeah, it was that absolutely life changing. I mean
that those few seconds that we were there underneath the thing, it was incredible.
I mean I'd spent ten a few years working in the aircraft industry,
so I knew Australia away it wasn't one of ours, and yeah, because
of my past history, it was just just blew me away. Yeah,
I mean yours was triangular. I mean the one I saw but back in
sixty seven was actually an oable orange object. So it's quite different from one
you saw. So would it be or if it would be a different alien
race or yeah, we don't really know, do We can only guess at
these things. But I remember on the night when when this thing occurred,
when it decluded in front of us, I don't know what I was expecting,
but I certainly wasn't expecting a triangle. I mean i'd heard about UFOs,
but like everybody else, I assume they were I can flying sourcer shaped
like a Mexican hat shape. Yeah, I'd never heard of triangular shape UFOs
because I wasn't involved in the UFO world, so you know, it was
quite quite shocking all around. Yeah, obviously they are saying all over the
world, like you say, but of course I know your book is called
Triangular UFOs of the United Kingdom? Does that concentrate just on the United Kingdom?
It does? Yes, Yes, there's only one report in there from
America, which is quite an important one. But basically because i'd seen a
triangle, I started researching triangles. So twenty four years ago, the thirty
first of March nineteen ninety nine is when the encounter happened. So I started
researching triangles after that and getting in touch with people who had seen triangles,
and people had seen triangles were getting in touch with me, and I started.
Initially, because I've been a draftsman all of my life, I initially
started drawing the craft, but then I started making models of the craft as
well. When it comes to writing the book, I really wanted to write
about my own experience, but there wasn't enough information there to producible to fill
the book, so I had to start putting in other people's sights as well.
Changed the book around a little bit. I decided just to concentrate on
triangles, partly because that's what I'd seen, but also information I collected along
the way was really about triangles. I wasn't really looking into sources and cigars.
If they cropped upon the Internet, I'd have a quick quick look,
But I wasn't really getting dragged down the rabbit hole. Was looking at all
of the different types of craft. I just wanted to know really who was
who was actually piloting our craft, whether it was the Grays or the Nordics,
Reptilians or whatever. I still don't know this time, but I do
do not believe it was one of our one of our military secret military craft
for instance, as well. I was going to ask you that actually,
because I've been over the years, we've seen all sorts of different shapes in
the skies. As I say, mine was actually just an overall object.
I mean, whether it was overall, I don't know. Might have been
circled for but a funny angle I saw it. But obviously the triangular thing.
Did you find that other people's sightings were very similar to your own?
Very similar? Yes? Shall i'll go through the sighting? Yes? Absolutely,
yes, please, yeah, then we can talk about some of the
things that occurred during the sighting and the way this took me since then.
So basically, on the thirty first of March nineteen ninety nine, we'd been
out for a bar meal, two car loads of us. I was in
my wife's card, my wife was driving. We got my mother in law
with me because it was her birthday that day she was seventy two, and
I got my daughter as well as she was twelve years old. So the
Fords were in the wires car, the Ford Fiesta, and then we had
a second vehicle who ranged Rover, with my brother in law driving that one
with his French partner and her grandparents who are ablely grandparents would come over from
France for for a week to stop with them. So we all went out
to a little village called Pilton in the Warwickshire countryside, near to Monks Kirby,
pretty much in the middle of nowhere, to be honest, it's a
tiny little village and in fact the pub's gone now like a lot of English
pubs unfortunately have gone by the way. But I remember as we left the
pub, we got into my wife's car and started to pull away, and
I looked out the rear view of me and I could see my brother in
law struggling to get the old French lady into the range Rover because she was
quite old and that was mobile, and she could because they're quite high up.
I know the problem. So I assumed that they would catch us up
very shortly, be putting a lot of lights to drive his range rover quite
fast, and he's done a lot of off road and I didn't expect him
to hang about when he finally got loaded. But we set off in front
and we drove through the country lanes until we came up to the Fosse Way,
which is an old Roman road, and the Fosse Way leads up to
high Cross where it joins the Watling Street, which is another Roman way.
Because I don't I do know, some people talk a lot about lay lines
and they always say that are built on lay line, So there might be
some information there somebody might be interested in. I don't know. But basically,
as we came up towards the junction from the Fosse Way. Somebody said,
we're turning onto the foss and my daughter said, all, there's been
talk of headless horsemen down here, and we all laughed and joked and said,
all keep our eyes open for him. Then, and soon as we
turned off the country lane onto the Foss Way, there were some lights hovering
on by the side of the road in front of us, exactly half a
mile away, because I went back next day and measured the distance. So
we drove towards the lights and we're talking all excitedly about what they could be.
There are too many lights for an airplane or a helicopter even, and
too low really for any aircraft. And they were really bright, I mean
there was red and white all mixed in together. And getting excited and talking
about so we drove up to the lights. Now I always say that the
lights would be probably a hundred feet away from us. Now I base that
on Steve and my friend's seventy foot now a boat around the aspe Canal.
So when I say a hundred feet, I mean a hundred feet. I
could have hit it with a cricket board easily, But at this point there
was no craft. It was still just lights, so and they were lower
as well. They were like full maybe fifty feet seventy feet off the ground.
It was that low. So there were four big red lights at the
back, and a little red light off to one side, and some white
mingled in, so I'm staring at them. I stared at one of the
big red lights on the back, the fourth one one the craft was actually
tilted at thirty degrees to the earth. It wasn't level with the earth while
the lights were tilted. So there were four big red lights at the back,
tilted at thirty degrees to the earth, and I was staring at one
of those lights, and you could see like a criss cross effecting it.
But I think that was an effect from the light source that was coming out
of it, like a Newton's law of ring interference, rather than being a
pattern that was etched on some glass like a traffic light. It wasn't.
It wasn't a physical sort of criss cross effect. I could see it was
coming from the light source itself, which was pretty amazing to look at because
at this point we could only see the lights, so we've got no idea
what's going on. We're just wondering what these lights are. Now, as
I'm staring at this light, all of a sudden I see the sky it's
starting to ripple around the lights, and I think to myself, oh God,
there's something there. It's not just lights, there's something actually around them.
And as soon as I had that thought, it decloat. It was
amazing. It was like Star Trek, you know, on Star Trek with
it clingones Dcloat with the ship. It was just like that right in front
of our eyes. Now, it was that low that if it had tilted
from the middle, it would have struck the ground. So the rear end,
which stilted it thirty degrees to the earth, that stayed where it was,
and the nose floated up in the air. And I say floated.
It didn't just rise up in the air like like a Harry had jumped jet.
It flowed like a submarine in the water. It's incredible to see.
So as a note, the rear end stay where it was, and the
nose rose up in the air, floated in the air, which then revealed
the top surface of the craft to us. Now, not many people get
to see the top of a triangle. Most people see it from underneath.
We were actually looking at the top surface now the craft, and the surface
looked to be alive. It looked organic. It was incredible. And the
surface that got it looked like liquid mercury running up and down the surface of
the craft. And the best way to describe it is like a lake at
night. It's got moonlight shining on it, and it's got little ripples of
waves and the moonlights catching some of the ripples. That was the sort of
effect that was on the surface. But on top of that, there was
these beams, silver beams that were interlocking raised up off the surface. Now
they weren't shimmering. They were solid, but the surface was moving like liquid.
So it wasn't an effect of heatase or electromagnetic effect. Because the silver
beams on the surface were solid, they were not They were not appearing to
distort in any fashion, and it was just like wow. Three thoughts came
into my mind straight away. The first one was my God, aliens exist,
the second one abductions must take place, and the third one was that
this explains all of the mysteries from history. Now, at this point,
my wife was very sensible who was driving, decided to put the hazard flashes
on and there was a gateway more or less underneath where this triangle was hovering.
So she decided to pull forward and reversed into the gateway. Now the
problem was as she pulled forward the big hedge it blocked our view. We
couldn't see it anymore, I thought himself. And it's going to go.
It's going to go. Now she reversed into the gateway. We jumped out
and sure enough it had gone. And then we stood there and it was
quiet. It was silent. You could hear a pin drops like the Odds
effect they call it. And we stood there and in the distance there was
this craft disappearing and it was huge. It's one of these football size craft
and it got four big red lights on the back, which I've never seen
before until that night, on the little triangle that was in front of us.
So I said to the girl's look there, it is over there,
and it's chained size. It's massive now instead of being a little craft.
And they were, oh, no, I don't know if that's an aircraft
or not. It looks like a normal craft and going now it's not within
four big red lights on the back. So I put that my first fitness
report to a guy called Omar Fowler. I was saying that I thought the
craft had chained size from a small craft like a two man version, to
a huge football pitch size craft. But that was because I didn't know anything
about UFOs. Once I started research, and I soon realized that the large
one must have been what they call a mothership, and I assumed, although
we didn't see it, but I assumed a smaller triangle went back to the
mothership at the point where we can't see it when we were behind the hedge.
So that was the basic siting. But there was a little bit more
to it, and we'll come back to that in a bit if you don't
mind. So we checked the watch. It was nine fifty, but we
don't know what time we left the pub, to be honest, and we
got back in the car all excited talking about it and drove home. Now
we took my mother in law home. My brother in law lived next door.
He brought the house next door to his mother, and we were surprised
when we got home. He was already there in the range rover and the
French people were out sitting inside the house having a cup of tea and that
seemed very odd to us that they managed to get pastors without seeing us in
the gateway with the hazard flash of lights on because we were right next to
the road, and also the fact they never saw the craft either, so
that was a little bit of a mystery. But there's always the possibility of
the actually drove past and didn't see us. But I still can't figure out
how they didn't see the crap because I couldn't have been far beyond us if
that was the point. If that was the case. So anyway, we
get back home now. During my working career, I've always been a draftsman,
so I've always drawn for a living, and I'm still drawing now at
the age of sixty four. I'm still a draftsman. So the first thing
I did when I got back was to draw it. I've also worked in
the aircraft industry. I sort of feelers should point that out as well.
This is why I knew it was not one of ours. I've worked on
the airbus in Germany for a year, and i worked for sub Aerospace in
Sweden for a couple of years on a civilian aircraft there. I've always been
an electrical designed draftsman. But I've also had a period working for Chevron Petroleum
in Aberdeen was based on shore, but I did have a couple offshore trips.
Now the thing that drill into you there, like when you go offshore,
you've got to get all the information that you need because when you get
back, if you've missed something, you can't just hop onto the next helicopter
and fly out to the platform again. It just doesn't work. You've got
to make sure you get it right, so you check everything time and time
again before you come back to base in Aberdeen. So that sort of training
was invaluable on the night, I'm seeing the UFO, So the first thing
I did when I got back home that night was to draw it, to
do all what I'd seen. And my daughter she drew what she had seen
as well. And now my wife, who had been driving, she saw
the lights, but because she was being sensible and watching the way, she'd
never actually seen the craft materialize, so she didn't see the craft at all.
She only saw the lights. And then her mother in law she described
it as being triangular with girders. She called them girders on the surface.
I called them beams. The same same sort of thing. So that's what
I did that night. I did some sketches down the next day. I
mean, I was just beside myself. I couldn't believe what we'd seen the
night before, and I expected everybody to see it, expected to be on
the news, you know. I couldn't believe it with only people who've seen
it that night. So but we were And it was April Fool's Day,
wasn't it the next day? April the first? And I'm trying to tell
the reaction again. Yeah, but to be true, for most people went
with it. Not many people poo pooped the idea. At this point as
well, I'm working. I've started my own business. I'm working from home.
I'm doing embroidery. It was embroidery design initially, but through the design
we started selling garments as well. So I was still working from home.
So I've got three members of staff working in my dining room. So we've
got embroidery going on and design going on. It's all pretty hectic. We're
getting to the point where we really need to be moving out. Well,
that gave me the ability to step back from the business for a little bit,
let the staff run it while I went down the shed and started making
some models of the craft that I've seen. I mean, initially I handrew
it, and then I drew it in cold draw, and I printed out
some pictures of it and made little paper models, and then I decided to
make them. I wouldn't model, so I got some down in some plywood
and creating my first solid three D model and put the drawings onto that.
Now, strangely enough, I had a van that I used for the business,
which was parked in the driveway. It was broken into one night and
the stereo was stolen an old set player, which wasn't really worth anything.
Surprised me that somebody went to the effort of stealing it. And I took
the van to my friend to get it repaired, and he said it had
been broken into professionally. He was quite amazed that somebody had gone to that
trouble, just as steal a cassette player. But I remember the last time
I saw the model that I'd made, it was inside the van and I
couldn't find it. It was gone. Whoever took the cassette player also took
the model. Whether they were after that model or not, I don't know,
you know, whether I'm just being a bit paranoid, I don't know,
but the model was definitely stolen along with the crappy old set player.
So all I decided to do then, obviously was building another one mark too.
So the same thing again. I got some down in, I've got
some plywood, and I printed off some drawings on the computer. But this
time I had brought some LEDs and a battery pack and a switch and wired
it all up, put three red lights underneath and four lights at the back.
I made myself a real smart little model. And have to say,
in the early days when I used to take the model out of the griefcase
and switch switch on or look at it, he used to make me shake
because, you know, going back over the excitement of the evening, it
was fantastic. So what happened then was that the model was great, but
it was flat. Surface was flat, and I really wanted to have the
lines in relief. The girders were raised up off the surface. Now a
guy called Omar Fowler we became great friends. He used to specialize in triangular
UFOs. He sent me some drawings. One of them was from Bewdium and
it showed the undera of a triangle, and it's got the same lines in
relief, these beams, these good is coming out turning through ninety degrees,
and I thought, that's got to be the same craft of that that I've
seen, or at least the same series of craft. So what I decided
to do was to make the bottom of my model the same as the Belgium
sighting with the beams underneath, and use my own sighting of the rear of
the craft and the top surface of the craft to create the perfect model,
the scale model of an actual et UFO. So what happened then It was
great, but I was never under percent happy with it because I haven't got
the beams raised up, and I wasn't quite sure how I was going to
do that. And a friend of mine came along, John Mills, and
he brought himself a three D printer, and he says, I want to
make a model of your UFO. Oh, that's great. So he set
about it and to quite a few prototypes, and then eventually he made this
little handout about an a five size triangle with lights on it and the beams
raised up off the surface, and it was brilliant he did a fantastic job.
I was really pleased. It didn't cost anything, but it did take
him a lot of time, and it was fairly expensive as well, I
think, with all the messing around getting it getting it to work. So
I came up with an idea, but it was still good, but it
still wasn't perfect. I was still struggling to get the perfect model because of
the liquid surface and the different colors of the beam compared to the surface and
the central white core. So what I decided was with John was to sell
some of his models. Now done all the hard work in producing the files,
he could easily print them off and assemble them. So I struck a
deal with him. I said, if I sell some of these on eBay,
if we sell enough, will you make me a bigger model with the
liquids, liquid looking surface and the beams on topic And he agreed, So
I said about me selling these models. In the meantime, John made a
couple more has rarely made a flying saucer and a cigar shape UFO as well,
and these have all got lights in the light up and looked really quite
smart. So I was selling now I wasn't making any money whatsoever, and
giving all of the money to John, and eventually he agreed to make the
larger model. So he built this one and it said like an A four
size and the surface. Spent a lot of time getting the surface to look
like it's liquid. It looks like a lake with little waves all over it.
Then on top of this, we've actually now got silver beams which are
interlocking on the surface. We've got four red lights at the back which have
got like a criss cross effect in them, three red lights underneath, white
lights in the middle, and the beams under the surface as well in relief,
the same as we've seen in Belgium. So we ended up with a
perfect model. And that's when I said to him, if we do that,
I might go back on the road and do a conference and show people
the modeling you've made because it is perfect. And this is what happened.
I decided then to just like last year, go to OLM conference out to
Limits magazine with Chris Evans in hall. I took the model and I did
an hour's presentation. That's where I met you. Actually, yeah's right,
Yeah, I met a few people there that week. Yeah, the presentation
went really well, but then I met the kin seller Twins chatting with those
in Philip and they're a nice gentleman, aren't they easy to talk to?
And one he was telling me about the triangle that he'd seen, and Philip
suggested that I write a book. Well, I did, in the back
of my mind think that one day I might write a book about my experience,
but I thought i'd do it when I retired. But once once you
put that into my mind, that thought into my mind, I decided I
was going to do it there and then so when I came back, I
started on the book, and I started collected information and just locked myself away
in the office for several weekends to just get all the information together and to
produce the book. So that's the basic story. Now, that's what I
call the nuts and bolts of the story, and that's for the first twenty
years. That's probably just what I talked about, the nuts and bolts,
and what I've just talked about now, But there is more to it,
and of late it's starting to become recognized that this happens. So basically there
is a connection. I believe there is a connection between the power normal and
UFOs. Oh yeah, there is definitely. The reason I say that is
because let's go back to the night of the thirty first March nineteen ninety nine,
when the craft started to float in the air, when the nose came
up and I looked at it, I mean, I was so excited.
It was just the most incredible site I've ever seen in my life. But
then all of a sudden, it was just like somebody got a pair of
binoculars and put them in front of my eyes, because I could then see
the beams on the surface into Locking, a close up view of two beams
until Locking raised up off the surface. Followed by that there was a second
view, which was the nose, which was really round. I remember thinking
how round the nose was, but it was really close, you know,
it was right in front of my face. And then there's a side of
view. Now the craft has got a central white core that runs around it,
and the top and the bottom joined onto the central milky white core,
and the edges are rolled over like a hovercraft skin onto this central core.
And the thing I remember thinking was that how beautiful they had been put together.
There was no welding, there were no nuts and bolts, there were
no rivets, it was seamless. The way it had been manufactured was just
incredible. And then the next thing I remember is like sort of saying,
being in the canton, I want to get out, When to go out?
By which time my wife pulled forward. We got out and it live
gone. So I started thinking, and the best I could come up with
it was I'd hadn't know how to body experience. I thought that I got
so excited I'd come out of my own body and got close to the craft
to get these extra views. Now it sounds crazy, I know, which
is why for the first twenty years I didn't really talk much about that.
I just talked about the nuts and bolts of what I've seen. But without
those close views, especially of the Central White Corps, I would not have
been able to have built the model that I've got here in front of me
today, the one that you see on Facebook all the time. So I
believe it was done intentionally to show me the details. And the only reason
I can think why they would want to do that is to build the model
and maybe eventually write the book and be part of a subtle disclosure. I
don't know. But then what happened then was over the next eighteen months two
years, I was starting to have power normal encounters, not encounters, but
pow normal things happening. There were lights in the sky initially some of them
were quite close, someone going through ninety degrees and strange things going on,
and then there was I've kept a list of all the things that happened with
the dates. There were some splats on the head, but the most I'll
talk about quickly talk about the most scariest one. It's the only time I've
ever been fighting during all of this, and that's when I was fishing.
This is about eighteen months after the encounter, and I'm down the river and
I'm really enjoying myself. I'm standing in the river in my ways as catching
a few fish. I'm in a competition, actually, but I'm in a
field on my own. And then I hear these footsteps coming across the field,
four footsteps, really loud, and I think that's two people and they're
probably shooting, because I've seen people down there shooting before in the past,
like farm work. So I thought I better up up the bank and make
myself known, say they don't shoot in my direction. So I climbed up
the bank and there's nothing there but the footsteps. They're continuing and they're coming
towards me, and it's getting louder, and I'm thinking it's a big cat,
a big cat that's going to come for when I was panicking, so
I've got a spark out of the wild hole at all that I used from
the umbrella, and I thought the game plan was, if it was a
cat, I was going to go back down the embankment down to the river
and get it to jump on me and pay it on its own weight.
That's where it went through in mind at the time. And I stood there.
I tell you, I was fighting to death. I was bricking it.
And this thing walked in front of me from left to right and he
couldn't see a thing, nothing at all, and it was really loud from
left to right, and then it just sort of started to fade away.
And then I tried to flush it out, but there was nothing to flush
out. It was just an invisible creature. And I stood there and I
thought that that wasn't a big cat, and I don't think it was even
here in this world as such. It's one of these space time contingency things
that people talk about. And that was the day, David. That was
the actual point right there and then that I decided that I knew that the
UFO was interdimensional rather than extraterrestrial, right, Okay, So I was actually
going to go into that as well. But so now you've mentioned it,
so carry on, please, Yeah, because you know, i'd seen the
UFO close up and I had to close viewing of the surface. Prior to
that, I'd had no parer normal experiences in my life whatsoever, nothing that
I can remember. Anyway, Now after the event, things are starting to
happen, and it's pretty obvious they've come from that event, from the UFO
encounter. So why would that be. I mean, if that was a
craft that had come from a another planet, you know, from Mars,
then once it had gone back to Mars, you wouldn't expect to have any
other experiences. So that led me to believe that it was dimensional and somehow
it had left its mark on me, which was allowing other things to come
through. Now I couldn't figure out why, but I was thinking along the
white lines that they'd done something, something had happened that night there was allowing
me to see and hear other paranormal things around me. So what happened next
was I went to well it actually before that, in the early days,
I went to a conference in Leeds that used to be run by Graham Bird
Salt and Russell Callahan. They used to do the old UFO magazine. That
some fantastic conferences up there, and that's some very interesting people, and one
of them was Delayed Wood Hopkins. Now I managed to get just about thirty
seconds with Bud and I told him about the encounter and about the close viewing
that I had that I thought I had an out of body experience. Now
Bud said to me, that wasn't an out body experience. So those images
were placed in your mind by the aliens. It was like an alien telepathy.
And then this woman butted in. He got a crystal and he said,
oh look, Bob, I found this where there was a UFO question
in the woods. And Bob got chatting to her. And that was end
of my thirty seconds. That was it. I didn't get chance to ask
him to elaborate. At least she got at least you got to meet here
anyway, Yes, and I've got that bit of information from him. Now
I wrote that down on the list where I was keeping dates of all the
weird things that were happening to me. And then then what happened was i'd
been I took one of the small models and did a presentation in Birmingham to
Dave Holdron's Birmingham group, and I talked there about I was starting to talk
about the close viewing. I was starting to come out of the closet about
this close close view in the para normal stuff. And he he said to
me that he'd got a case that was a bit similar, and basically it
was a couple of guys who had been watching a UFO and it landed in
a field quite a distance from them, and they were standing by a gate
watching the UFO and the occupants get out of the craft, and the guy
said, all of a sudden, one of them, although it was a
distance away, maybe half a mile or something, all of a sudden,
the guy's face was right in front of his face, the alien's face,
and it was like he'd somehow telepathetically had got closer to him across the field
and was telling him basically clear off and he shouldn't be there. And Dave
said, that's, you know, that is similar to what I was saying,
where I was looking at the craft and all of a sudden it was
really close up, and I was thinking, well, it is sort of
similar, but not He's quite exactly the same, but it could be along
the same lines. And then his coincidences going, And within two weeks of
that, I got an email from a guy in America. Now I've put
that one into the book. It's the only American entry in there. And
he started off by saying, I was watching your presentation on the internet that
I did with Richard Hall some time ago, and he says, just like
you, I had three images placed in my mind when either close encounter with
a triangle. He said, one of them was the pipe work on the
outside. The other one was some of the light features, whatever the light
was, whether it was plasma or whatever, a ball of light. And
he thinks the third view was inside the craft. And so basically he was
saying that he had three images put into his mind during the close encounter.
Now, prior to that, I've been listening to a lot of David Jacob's
stuff as well, where he's interviewed a lot of abductees, and you hear
all the time that a telepathy is used, and don't generally speak like we
speak to each other. And I'd always assume that telepathy was actually word going
backwards and forwards between people, not necessarily pictures. But David Jacobs was saying
that some of the adductees that they have images placed into the mind, and
which makes sense because an image, you know, a picture, paints a
thousand words. So with that in the back of his mind, and then
this guy in America saying he had three images placed into his mind, it
was like a unique moment for me. I suddenly realized after all this time
that wood Opkins was right. The images were placed in my mind and it
wasn't an out of body experience. And there's two reasons why I believe that
as well now well three, I suppose. One is because so many people
talk about that happening, that telepathy takes place. And the other reason is
because I often wondered if it was an out of body experience, why after
seeing the nose and then the side of you, why I didn't see the
craft role. Why was it like three instant images one two, three like
that and nothing in between, so there was no movement. It was three
close up still images, so that would make more sense of it being telepathy
rather than out to body, I'm assuming, And what was the third reason?
The third reason being the other occupants of the car, my wife and
a daughter and my mother in law, were not having these extra experiences.
It was only happening to me, not the others. And then our reason
that would be because the aliens on board the craft actually did some telepathy with
me, and somehow that's changing some part of my brain which is now allowing
these other things to come in. Yeah, but an important important facts and
volumes your jump in there. There were still witnesses to the main event.
They were the lights of everything to see. Yeah, you've got you've got
the more close up you kind of just me, Yeah, just me.
And that's why I think just myself went on to have the other experiences because
of tampering with the brain if you like, m hm, you know,
as I say, we'll repeat that. I mean they saw the craft too,
So you're sort of it wasn't you imagining something and you know sort of
you nodded awful something and then thinking you're going into some sort of out of
body experience. So what what is your what I mean, what is your
family's opinion of what you're saying about your out body experience? And yeah,
we did have some arguments about the ice body experience at the beginning of things.
They found it hard to understand. Yeah, it's the thing is you.
They know you, They know that you wouldn't lie about something like that,
no doubt, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My wife
unfortunately, she didn't see the craft materialized. She only seen the lights,
so it was more difficult for her to take on board what I was saying
about thinking out of body experience because they didn't have the same experience. But
my daughter and my mother in law they both saw the craft, but we
didn't really have too much of a conversation about the out of body stuff.
My mother in law, unfortunately, she's she's died now. She died joining
COVID, not from COVID, but died of old age. And when they
were clearing out her bedroom in the wardrobe, there's lots of paranormal cuttings from
newspapers that she's been elective for years. That's an interesting nobody knew about,
so she must have any interest. Yeah, she was that sort of experience
in the past. Now, maybe she was the Keith or this. You
know, maybe the UFO made the appearance because of her. Yes, we
don't know. I can't say it was because of me. It maybe because
of mad. Yeah, she certainly had an interest in it, and she
certainly liked me. She would have got on board. We were so excited.
It's amazing, absolutely brilliant. So you don't actually know she might have
had experienced in the No, No, because I didn't find out she got
all this paranormal stuff until she died, unfortunately, shame you never had sort
of those those conversations a bit earlier that. Yeah, but she was a
very private woman. I don't know if she would have talked about it.
I remember when when Omar Fowlder came over to interviews or she was a bit
bit lukedant at first to talk to him, but in the end, you
know, she started and she said, oh, it was a metallic triangled
a craft with beams on the surface, And that's when he took her off
to one side and interviewed her privately in the dining room. So, yeah,
she she had an a bit interest, and like I said on the
night, I think me and her would have got on board if we've got
a chance. My wife and my daughter weren't quite so it's a keen Yeah.
Do I feel about it now? Does it? They're not interested at
all? Yeah? My daughter has an interesting ghost and things like she's seen
a ghosts when she was younger. Um. But my wife, it's funny,
you know, when we were kids, because we're in the sixties now,
but when we were teenagers, she was the one who had the Van
Danikhum ball. She was one who's interested in all this. Yeah, that's
the man who started me or through them. Yeah, he's been around a
long time, hasn't He bought charity the gods. So she had the interest
in it, but never had the sighting. Out of all of us that
night, she didn't see the craft materialized. But an interesting point is I
asked her to do what she did see now. She drew three red lights
in a perfect equal, actual triangle. There's no way we could have seen
that from the angle, even though the craft was tilted towards us. Although
the craft wasn't there, the lights were there. They were all mingled up
because you could see the four on the back and the ones underneath, plus
the white which must have been in the center of the craft, all mingled
up together, so it just looked like one big laser show. It's just
incredible. But you wouldn't You wouldn't be able to pick out three red lights
in a perfect triangle. Now, a few months later, ask her tour
it again what she'd seen, and she did the same thing. Three red
lights in a perfect equal actural triangle. Now I have wondered, and it's
only a wonder if the small craft was actually like an ambush. That was
debate because it was lit up and it was tilted towards us, and I
believe the reason it was tilted was to show more of the lights than beneath
to make sure we couldn't miss it. Or it could have been that they
were looking at us, well we were looking at them. I don't know.
So as we drove towards it and we stopped on the road and me
were daughter, my mother in law was staring at the lights and then watching
the craft materialize. There is a possibility that the large triangle that we've seen
after the event was actually passing over the car at the same time as we
were looking at the small triangle. It's almost like an ambush in effect.
So the little triangle was all singing, all dancing like a Christmas tree.
We pulled up alongside it. Then possibly the large triangle came over the car,
and then we reversed into the gateway and jumped out, and there is
the large triangle. By this time, it's probably a half a mile,
maybe a mild away, going away from us. But I don't know if
that occurred. We could only guess on these things. We don't really know
what took place at night, but it is a possibility. And it is
strange, as she seen three red lights like that, because none of the
west US never saw that. There's no way we could have seen that,
not from the angle of where we were. Yeah, it's obviously a strong
memory for her, yes, yeah, yeah, And bearing in mind that,
you know, she didn't see the craft materialized, so she wasn't staring
at those lights. She was concentrating on the road. She was more concerned
about traffic. But there wasn't any traffic, no air traffic, no road
traffic, no people, no street lights, no nothing, just pitched black
in the middle of nowhere is what you would expect. Yeah, whatever,
you had an expert since there you know of any type since the UFO,
Yeah, quite a few. I've listed them in the book, like the
one down at the river that was Yeah, apart from yeah, sorry,
I met kind of UFO incidents. Yes, I've been there again. I've
been to the UFO conference in Leeds. I can't remember which year it was,
but I remember coming back and my wife and my daughter in bed,
and I came upstairs and I looked out the window over the park and there
was a ball of orange light inside a really low cloud and I could see
a beam of light coming out a bit like a pencil. It wasn't like
omnidirectional. It was coming to the edge of the cloud and it was just
incredible, and it was there just over the park, really close. Now.
I brought myself a camcorder because I've been seeing so many different lights moving
around in the sky. So I went to my bedroom and grabbed the camcorder
and I thought soon as a picture that. I thought to himself, if
it's going to go, he's going to go now, and went back to
the window and it had gone. What a shame. I shouldn't have tried
to record it. I should have just stood there and watched it. And
the thing as you do want to try and get some evidence to show people,
don't you. Yeah. I wouldn't bother that because I don't think people
would believe it anyway. Yeah. I think if they want you to photograph
them, they'll they'll let you know. But otherwise, I think if you
try and photograph them, they're going to clear off, or the photograph won't
be legible, or you do people don't believe it. You do. Here
so many people say they tried to photgraph something and it just comes out or
misty or doesn't come out at all, So you're probably right. They probably
wouldn't see it anyway, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. I think most
of the ones you do see a look on YouTube or whatever, it probably
fakes anyway quite lightly. Yeah. Yeah. Some of the other things that
happened were like I'm gonna have to play darts on a Thursday night. We've
gone to a pub in Burbage, the Anchor, and we're sitting outside the
darts I was having having a beer before the match and they've got this splat
on top of me heade and oh nay, a bird's pood on me and
I put my hand up and there's nothing. It's completely dry. It's not
a cloud in the sky, a beautiful clear sky. Affle's that's really odd.
And I thought nothing of it. You know, some muscles spasm,
although you haven't got muscles in the top of your head, so I don't
know what it could have been. So on its own you would have forgotten
about it. That was on the Thursday. On Saturday, I'm concentrate on
building the first the second wooden model, the Mark, who is one of
the lights in and I'm spending quite a bit of time in the shed firing
away at the corners, making them perfectly round. And I come out of
the shed to go up to the house to get a cup of tea,
and blimey, a splat top of my head, just like on the Thursday
night. Just felt like a bird had pood on my head or somebody had
dropped an egg on it or something. And I looked up in the game
Clear blue Sky and there's no drops, a rain or anything. Watching the
house, made a cup of tea, come out and again splat top of
the head. Three times I could twice on the Saturday and once on the
Thursday, and It's never happened again since. But that was quite quite an
odd one. Strange as been shooting you with a ray gun or something from
well, I don't know, some sort of download I think to make me
continue making the model. Yeah, I know what it was. Spurred me
on and other things that. Okay, we had a synchronized dream. I
mean, I don't know talk about dreams because I always think the dreams are
just the way of your brain working things out. But we got separate bedrooms.
My wife was in one bedroom I'm in and other my daughters in her
bedroom. I had a dream one night that there was there was a UFO
over the house, hoping over the top of the house, and I heard
an alien come out of the crafts cutter down the tiles, and as I
can hear him coming down, I dreamed that my wife walks into my bedroom,
comes and sits on the bed next to me, and this alien comes
through the window towards us with a silver one in his left left hand,
and I think he's gonna like I'm going to be attacked with the handles and
start screaming, and I wake myself up and in real life I'm screaming at
the top of my voice in the house, like in bed in the middle
of the night, doesn't wake anybody else up, just just me and I
think, God, that was an awful dream. Now, me and my
wife were together thirty years. All that time, she never ever spoke about
dreams. She never had any dreams, never remembered any dreams. That day,
when I come downstairs, she was already in the kitchen, and before
I said anything, she turn around and said, Oh, I had a
strange dream last night, says I dreamt there was a UFO over the house
and I was walking from room to room looking for Victoria. I thought,
Wow, that's absolutely amazing. I've had the same dream. How can we
share a dream? How weird was that? I have wondered whether that could
have been done telepathically, you know, from the UFO event, the fact
that they showed me the close up images by using telepathy, that did that
sort of like stay with me a little bit. Didn't managed to affect the
wife that night telepathically or was it a really then that's a possibility. What's
your own personal beliefs in the it's a dimensional. I know you mentioned it
because I mean, I think a lot of these things are in the dimensional
that you say, rather than the extraterrestrial. Yes, provides I would put
on that is that once we learn about these dimensions and we start traveling on,
perhaps as a possibility we could use them to travel and then pop back
out again in our own dimension. But you know, a thousand light years
away. It's the technology there we don't know yet. So although I'm saying
I firmly believe they're dimensional, there maybe some types of aliens that are using
the dimensions to get here, which may have originated in our own Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I understand what you're saying, but I am under percent
convinced that all these things are dimensional that are coming through absolutely. Yeah.
I don't know if how much you know about the original from you were prom
insted of nineteen eighty, but they the gym Peniston seems to believe that that
was the inside dimensional you've been other than extrast real. Yeah. I think
there's always a lot of high strangeness with the close encoarunters, and that's one
of the things it makes me think they're dimensional rather than extraterrest wheel. Yeah,
well, I've seen your models. Obviously you gave us a demonstration that
the om event and it's absolutely brilliant. Actually, it's don't believe you could
you can? Are you saying them? And the small one? Yeah,
we've got some small ones for sale, not the large one. The large
ones pretty expensive to make. Yeah, I think you understand that. That's
why you were demonstrating, wasn't it. I know you can. Yeah,
have you got like a website or something that some people No, it's just
on eBay. Actually, I'll just say, right, so we just put
your naming and I think you probably have to put to PEP Tech thirteen,
p p e K t e K one three kilo Tango Echo Kelo one three
PEC thirteen. I think about four triangles on their vable at the moment,
A couple of sources. I mean John John's still making these occasion to me,
like just as a bit of a hobby. Term Again, I'm not
making anything out of them, anything out of the UFO stuff. I think
it goes against the grain, you know. Yeah, I'm saying you've only
seen it so you can make money, but that's yeah, I mean,
I mean, you know as well as I do. There's not a lot
of money to I mean, unless you're a big name or something and you're
in you know, you're being flying, flying all over the world and everything.
But I know there's not a lot of made to be made in these
things, same as books that you don't make a portion out of them.
So the models that I saw very very good. Yeah, they're excellent.
They are spot on, really and from my own memory, and I do
think I've got a good memory from that night. It still feels like it
happened yesterday. And the training is addressman and being addressman. Then I think
this is as close as you're going to get to a perfect scale model of
the real thing. Yeah, well, what I'll have to do. I
think I'll go through eBay and find the link for it and I'll put it
on the Apparan Oral Dimensions page. Certainly one can have a look at it
or maybe even buy some off of you. Yeah, yeah, you know.
But so they are very very good models, must say they are.
Yeah, I think they're absolutely fantastic. And it's some great images in the
book as well. The books said, I don't know while the sales again,
and I don't think they're brilliant, but there's a lot of interest,
a lot of interest worldwide comforting. Well, that is it. It is
a world wide thing, isn't it. It's I mean, I'll also put
a link to the book as well. It's will try it. I'll repeat
it again. It's Triangle UFOs UFOs of the United Kingdom. That's Saunders.
And you can get it on Amazon and yeah, anywhere also, no just
Amazon, but you can have a kindle and there's an audiobook, paperback and
the hardback. So yeah, I think it's about four hundred pages and it
it's quite a thick book. Yeah, there's quite a lot in there.
I mean there's one hundred and thirty different sightings, different witness accounts of encounters
with triangles. And the interesting thing you know when people talk about or is
its secret military craft. There's one hundred and thirty sightings and not two of
them are exactly the same. The different sizes, different shapes, well generally
speaking, the regal actual different colored lights. And so if you're manufacturing them
a secret plane like the F one one seven night Walk for instance, you
don't keep changing the shape of it and changing you can ponents. Otherwise you
end up with a nightmare. If you've got like one hundred craft and are
all different and you're going to keep them flying. It's just a logistical nightmare.
Which one would we go forth? Yeah, and like I've only scratched
the surface of the UK with this one hundred and thirty UFOs. Now there
may well be thousands of sightings in the UK. So if you take that
worldwide, it's got to be hundreds of thousands of itings of triangles. And
you're not going to tell me these are all coming out of area fifty one.
It's just crazy. If you think that people say to me, oh,
it's a t R three B. I think, God, you need
to do some proper research. It's just not just not feasible, it's just
crazy to think that. Yeah, I mean a triangle and the thing goes
back quite away as well. I mean we had to Phoenix lights they were
that was like a triangle shape. Yeah, yeah, I think in the
book the earliest report I've got his nineteen fifty six. But looking around,
the earliest report I've come across of a triangle was in fifth sixty one in
Nuremberg. I don't if you remember there's old Yeah, I know about that
one year there's a battle in the sky. Wasn't a between Well, wasn't
there. I mean, I've read a bartier, but they say that that's
pretty strange. It's a report that they're going all that way back. Yeah.
Yeah, the triangle turned up at the end of the year. The
war that had been going on in the sky, the fight or you wouldn't
actually think that anyone could back then, couldn't even think of something going on
in the sky a local a war in the sky of some coin, right,
Yeah, but it's all been written down and it's if anybody wants to
research it's that's amazing. Fifteen sixty one triangle. It is amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. So I've learned quite a bit from writing the book as well,
you know, not just about my own experience, but other people's.
Um sorry, just did you speak to the chaplain? Dar Cooper is a
good friend of ours. Um, yes, I've got his reporting the book.
Yeah, was in there because that was a big triangular object. It
was very close as well, you know, just over his head, so
you know he's definitely seen one. I mean, I believe all the people
in the book talent the truth. I don't think anybody's making it up.
Why would you like to be really cool. Yeah, it's just the same
as Darren says. I mean it actually was. It actually terrified him and
it changed his life. Um, it's not something he's made up, and
obviously he wasn't. He wasn't the only one saw it either, So yeah,
it's changed changed my life, you know. But it's I have to
say it's only been positive. I can't think it's been negative. The only
time I was a bit concerned was down the river bank when I thought it
was a big cap. Once I realized it was power normal, then I
relaxed a bit more. I don't know if you watch Blaze TV him in
the UK. We've got it obviously, but I don't actually offer and watching
because there are a lot a lot of repeats that you get a lot of.
It is, yeah, history shared order, that type of thing,
aren't they. Yeah, But there was a show One to the Night a
couple of nights ago, and the top researchers on there, and this time
they're now staying that they believe it's dimensional. And one of them was saying,
I've got his name, Louse. Somebody's quite elizo. Yeah. Yeah,
he was saying people who have close encounters often go on to have other
paranormal experiences after the UFO, and they've actually got a name of it.
They called it the hitch Hiker effect. No, I've never really had other
people, apart for myself, talk about it before. Well, I'll tell
you what cause you say that. I mean, if you listened through quite
a few of these shows, you'll, if you will dig back into the
the you know, the older shows, you'll hear that quite a lot of
people have experiences after seeing uropos. I mean, the same thing happened with
the can Sellers, didn't it with Philip? Yeah, so that he developed
his psychic abilities after the UFO, he've been stor he thinks he did.
Once I started collecting them more recent sightings people I was in touch with,
or I was asking them when they're wrote in if they'd had any other experiences,
paranormal or UFO experiences, and more people were saying yes than no.
So I've ended up putting a whole chapter in the book dedicated to UFOs and
paranormal because so many people have had experiences of both. It does seem though
that a lot of people have paranormal experiences when they're younger, and then it
sort of culminates in the UFO encounter, whereas it's been the other way around.
I've had the UFO encounter first and then the weird paranormal experiences afterwards.
But I don't remember really prior to the UFO experience. No, you didn't
have any childlook trold them experience is anything? M Yeah, I know what
you're saying. One of my first experiences when I was a child actually had
a purple mist coming to the room. But and then I had that experience
with the UFO in the sixty seven. But since then, I haven't really
seen me. I've seen a couple of UFOs or that seemed to be like
moving stars and things. Yeah, but nothing really, I can't say I've
had any real parallel experiences. I don't. I don't consider ourself psychic or
anything. I mean, did you think you do you feel that it might
have accepted, um, you know, enhance your psychic abilities? Um?
Yeah, I guess so. I don't. I wouldn't say to a fantastic
extent, I wouldn't say I like, you know, I could do healing
or predict things or anything along those lines. Do you feel more sensitive to
suff like that? Yes, I think so I mean, I've got certainly
got a more open mind. I've always had an open mind, but it's
a lot more open now than it used to be. I keep expecting to
see things, and I'm always looking on now after Like in the book,
I've listed all the things that were going on, and they lasted like for
a couple of years really, and then it's gone quiet, you know nothing.
But then during lockdown I did have a sight in then during the day
when I was out walking the dog across the fields, there was like a
metallic sphere and it was really odd because it was a big round it looked
like it was metallic, and it was gray, and on the left hand
side of it it was flashing a real bright white light and it was wrapping
itself around the actual shape of the sphere, but only one on the left
hand side, So the left hand side of it was just like flashing,
and it was like not a continuous flash. It looked like it was malfunctioning.
It came down. I've seen it up in the sky in between two
different aircraft, and the aircraft went in different directions and then this metallic sphere
just sort of come down a little bit and I followed it women, I'm
going to try to photograph it. I did photograph it, but it's pointless.
It's about one pixel big on my phone. I tried video in it,
and that's the only video I've ever talked that's gone wrong, and it's
all wobbly and going all over the place. Even though that the craft was
at distance, it may have had some sort of effect on it. I
don't know. Yeah, that was really exciting, and I was running around
the field of getting a better view of it, and eventually it was download
enough you could see grasp behind it. But by this time it's like a
mile or so away, heading towards the motorway. Because I was high up,
I could look sort of look down on it and see the ground and
behind it, so it wasn't way up in the atmosphere. It was down
there on earth. Whatever it was. That's the only thing I've seen in
the last fifteen years. I think, Yeah, that's interesting because I mean,
we do see these little balls and they seem to be like like a
small probe. Don't know that there seems to be that comes out from the
major craft. Yeah, I don't forgot these things flying about sort of doing
examinations or whatever. But so, yeah, it's weird. Yeah, something
you said earlier about that, that the one you saw from your bedroom window
about the orange color. Yeah, orange seems to happen a lot, and
that was the color that I saw back in sixty seven. Yeah, it's
not a normal light that you would see on a craft. Orange normal aircraft.
Yeah, sorry, what I saws It was like an incandiscent light.
It wasn't like a bright light. Yeah. Um. Going through the book
just quickly, yeah, amazing. One or two notes, and one of
them was like on the colors that people see of the craft itself, because
I've always thought that the train was going to be gray or or black.
That's the majority of reported being that color. But going through the book you'll
find that people do describe gray and black then the most popular. But also
we've got orange colored triangles, a silver one, gold, white, blue,
dark brown, and a green triangle are coming in different colors and lights
as well. I've always thought generally speaking, you've got red and white lights,
sometimes the reverse, you know, like the middle light can be white
and the corner lights are red. Sometimes the middle light can be red and
the corner lights are white, but other people have reported not just red and
white, but green and blue, yellow, orange, bronze, purple,
and pinkish and also quite often a beam coming down from the center where the
white light is shown. Another interesting thing is a noise. I mean,
on the night of our encounter, the engine was running all the time on
the car. It never stopped, so there's no interfering, no electrical interference,
but we couldn't hear the craft with the sound of the car engine.
It was totally silent. I don't know if we'd have got out whether it
would have heard anything. But people do report like a dull horm or a
low humming noise like a transformer, and some people say buzzing or droning and
sucking like a vacuum cleaner, so that there is occasionally noise associated with these
craft. And the sizes obviously vary from small to football pitch. Just to
say the size that you saw, you think there'd be a great, big
injury and it would be awful lot of noise, wouldn't you It would,
yeah, But it was totally totally silent. It was just marvelous. And
the way it moved, I mean, that's one of the things about these
triangles the movement, This is important. They don't move like a Harrier jump
jet. They float like a submarine under water. So you go through the
book and look at what people are saying, and these are the words that
that he used to use fluid which glide, gliding and floated. It looked
like it was under water. And some have even seen it flying blunt end
first as well. Quite often a few times their balls of light turned into
triangles, which is an odd odd thing. I know you were saying earlier
about a little then could and spheres. I've got a couple of accounts in
the book where there was one local where a friend of mine seeing a triangle
over caterpillar at Deskford. Well it was doing over Caterpillar. I don't know
the Caterpillar works. I know they were developing a hydrogen engine at the time.
Whether they're interested in that or not, I don't know. But he
said it was massive, this triangle, like a football pitch type thing.
It just sat in the air of bolt to the Caterpillar plant. But a
red light had come out from it and it was where he take it was
going round and round the nose of the craft. Just going round and round
and around like it's some sort of observation probe or something. These things are.
I have another account of a guy called Keith who drove his motorbike from
and then Eaton to Hinckley where he which is only like a ten, ten
or fifteen minute journey, and he's back in the seventies. He said that
he was coming up Coventry Road towards what we call Transcoe, which is the
headquarters of the gas distribution for the UK. They've got a big antenna there
as well, with lots of tenner dishes on a big, bigger ray.
So he's coming up Coventry Road and he said the first thing he noticed were
balls a light flying along with him. I think it was a red one
and a blue one, which he obviously thought was very peculiar. But when
he got to the transco to the gas works, his motorbike stopped working,
and he said he sat there with his straddling the bike and he looked up
and a triangle came over the gas works, and he said were massive,
like one and a half times or one of the third times the size of
a football pitch, and glided over his head underneath was a little glass dome,
but he couldn't see anybody in the gloom in the dome. And then
he just watched, watched it glide over and go over Hinckley Town Center.
Well, well, but the weird thing is he got home and he's lost
one and a half hours. He knows what time he left his girlfriends,
and he knows what time he should have been home, but it was one
and a half hours later. So he woke his parents or told him what
had happened, and they confirmed the time was correct. And he said to
me, I've met him a few times, actually, but he never knew.
He's never known what's happened that one an half hours. It's just gone
out of his life. He just wants to have any recollection of what happened.
He may well be the only conjecture. He may well have been taken
all the crows and fed, his memory really taken off of him. It's
a possibility, or there's some sort of time dilation involved. Yeah, there's
there's always something else. Yeah, But so it is weird, these missing
time events, and so it is. Yeah, and also these balls alike,
you know that people report coming away from the craft. I'm floating around
on the way. You do hear it a lot. Yeah. The guy
in America who emailed me to say that he'd got three close up views of
the craft, he said, what happened next with him? A red light
came detached from the triangle and it came down right next to his car,
and it made his car jump three times. Now, there's an interesting coincidence.
I don't know if it means anything, but I'll mention it anyway.
He said it made the car jump three times. The images he saw there
were three images, the pipework, the lights, the interior. On the
night of Iron Character. When the craft floated up in front of me,
I had three thoughts, Aliens exists, abductions take place, This explains mysteries
from history. And then when I had a close viewing, I had three
close views the surface, the nose, and the central white core. It's
like the number three keeps cropping up for some reason. It's like the magic
universal number number three, three at a time. Three images. But whether
that means anything like, I don't know, but I do say things things
coming three. Don't know. It seems to be a magic number. Yeah,
maybe maybe that's what we can cope with three images at a time,
three thought at the time. You know, like we can only remember six
digits for phone numbers. That's why we have six digits. If you start
having eight digits and trying to remember more times don't Yeah, until you get
to our age. I suppose, you know, almost struggling with past passwords
and digits and good those little phone numbers and yeah, times I get asked
my phone number if it oh, we don't not to phone me on number.
That's right, you don't, do you know? Anyway, I suppose
we ought to draw a light other that. It's been fantastic everything on the
show. Thank you very much for finding the time. That's what I've enjoyed
it. It's been lovely. Yeah, it's been great. Are you going
to be at the OLM conference again this year or not? I've not planned
to at the moment. If if I'm three that weekend, I might pop
up here and see. And that is the out of the It's magazine comperence.
I think it's in September. I think of the date offend. I
think it's the end of September, isn't it the date offend? Uh,
that's the thirtieth right right at the end of September. So well, if
you are there college, I'll see you there and I've already got more tickets.
Okay. So if it's been great talking to you, and I hope
to run into you again at sometime. Yeah, you will do. I'm
sure it's been great having a chat with It's always nice to talk to the
converted, to be honest, Yeah, I will be converted for a long
time, but you know so I will put those links on the Parallel Dominician's
page so I can see your book and and the craft itself, which are
amazing little models. Appreciate that. We'll live it there. Thank you,
Colin. Okay, thank you, nice talking to you. Take care of
yourself. There we are. That was Colin Saunders. Thank you, Colin.
Very interesting. We'll done, thank you, Okay more. Next guest
on the eighth of May is going to be Mark Oli. We're going to
be going into the world of King Arthur and Merlin the Magician. That's Monday,
May the eighth, and it will be fascinating, I assure you.
Okay. As always, if you'd like to get in touch with me,
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There's David Young too, q in at Yrho dot co dot UK. I
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