1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,559 Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly video game show 2 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,640 here at Geek. First, I'm your host Dylmas and I would need to 3 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:28,719 clown Prince of Sony Travis Noll. How are you doing, my friend? 4 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:33,119 I am doing good. Other than Monday nothing. You can do a solid 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,439 quest podcast just like a tug off air and she's like, oh my goodness, 6 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,679 it's hailing outside. So there you go, like, legit met the 7 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:43,759 girls are playing outside, but a half an hour and they ran and like 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,880 it's raining. But now it's like it's like hailing hard. So hopefully I 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,320 don't lose power or anything in the middle of this. So but other than 10 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:53,679 that, you know, I'm okay. Good couple of weeks, good week 11 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:55,759 though. Coming up though, you know we're gonna do this cast. Got 12 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,320 X Men coming up, fall Guy. Think there's some fun some fun casts 13 00:00:59,399 --> 00:01:03,119 we had come so yeah, very much so, and now I'm excited for 14 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:06,439 this episode. In this one, we're gonna be talking about the PS four, 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,239 kind of a retrospective of our time with that console, and we'll explain 16 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:11,840 why we're doing that now out of all times, very random time to do 17 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:14,799 it, but we're gonna do it. Nonetheless, that should be fun. 18 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:18,439 A couple other shout outs. Make sure to join that Patreon to get episodes 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,879 early and ad free. You can leave a review, help the show grow, 20 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,159 and join our discord talk to us about all these games. I released 21 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,239 a bonus side Quest ups, a little solo one talking about the history of 22 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:33,920 like the single player modes and super Smash Bros. Is a very zoomed in 23 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:36,680 thing I wanted to talk about there and that that was a fun one, 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,599 so you can go check that out. Travis, I have a big announcement 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:48,000 today. I have an official release date for Potion Problem. Not often will 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,079 we get to, you know, announce release dates of things for a video 27 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:55,959 game release, so it's pretty exciting. But it is coming out May twenty 28 00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:59,359 first, so just a few short weeks from now. That is the side 29 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:01,879 quest twesday of that given week, the same day as Hell Blade, do 30 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:06,439 I think. So that's you know, some big competition, but hopefully a 31 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,280 different enough market. But if anyone's missed that somehow, Yeah, Postion Problems 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,639 is my game. You can wishless down Steam. You can go check out 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,599 the trailer, you can follow the social media things for it to get some 34 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,159 updates. And all that. But yeah, it's coming out very soon, 35 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,599 so I'm very excited to have it done. I did like the final build 36 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,879 of it yesterday. I did a couple of more changes and I haven't quite 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,199 exported that yet, but I've I think it's done, you know. I'm 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,719 sure once it's out people will discover some bugs and crashes and stuff and all 39 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:37,240 through those patches when they need to, but otherwise it's like, Wow, 40 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:40,159 it's the final upload. I'm sure you had a similar cathartic feeling when you 41 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:45,080 did the final kind of export of Adrenochrome too. Yeah. It's good and 42 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:46,560 scary at the same time, which is funny. We had one of our 43 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:51,759 trailers taken down today because it promotes conspiracy theories. So I gotta go to 44 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:54,599 YouTube and tell oh, this is really weird, man. This is just 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,240 a trailer for a fictional movie. But so hopefully that doesn't happen to you. 46 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,719 But yeah, it's a great feeling. And that's That's Emily's birthday, 47 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:05,039 so that's a good day. Right. Maybe that's all we get here. 48 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,439 I'll be show up with a car to be nice, little wishless to potion 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,159 problem, but no, congrats, very exciting and yeah, everyone go check 50 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:15,039 it out. Tons of fun. Love the art style and everything. So 51 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,520 I figured out I problem saw some stuff this day week. You know, 52 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,039 there's still one more thing I need to problem solve with you. But I 53 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,719 like the design. Not a problem with the game. It's a user error 54 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:25,479 as far as like, Okay, maybe I'm cooking something wrong here, but 55 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,759 that's the best part. So yeah, May twenty first, that's exciting. 56 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:34,960 Congratulations, sir, thank you. I'll also announce that we will be doing 57 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,960 a retrospective of hell Blade. Don't know exactly what week we're gonna release that, 58 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,560 but the first hell they're gonna do a retrospective of that, and then 59 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,439 I'll be playing the new one. And if you have time, I'm sure 60 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:46,319 you jump into if you like that first game, I don't know. I 61 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:49,599 think it's to depend it on Yeah, I think I think if I like 62 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,319 that first game, and I feel like I've always looked at it like it's 63 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:53,639 a traus game, So yeah, spoiler. At least I'm on it. 64 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:57,639 And that's because I've always said lately, I'm very busy, but seventy eight 65 00:03:57,639 --> 00:03:59,879 hours, like, okay, I can I can put a night or two 66 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,680 side to complete that. So it's always looked like a Travis game and it 67 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:05,680 looks very creative. So I'm excited to sit down and talk to you about 68 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,520 that one. And then if I'm excited, yeah, then I would love 69 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,919 to dive in that second one because always I've always heard great things about it 70 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,439 as well. So yeah, So anyone who hasn't played that game, or 71 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,519 if you have, you want to replay it now, it would be a 72 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,959 good time to do so, and you can send any questions our way. 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,680 We'll include it in that retrospective. I'm excited. I've never never played the 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,319 game. I've been waiting until the kind of imminent release of the second one 75 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:30,680 to finally jump in there, so it'll be good time. It's up on 76 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:33,120 game Pass, easily accessible there if you're thinking about it. It's easy download 77 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,480 if you got PC or Xbox game Pass. So yeah, exactly. So 78 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,040 yeah, check that out once again. I don't know exactly what week we're 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,399 gonna do that side quest episode. Yeah chance, we record it kind of 80 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:46,000 early and it goes up on Patron nice inner, so you can check that 81 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,319 out as well. You already showed it up Fall Guy. Next minute. 82 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:50,399 Any other shout outs before we get no no think. So we just got 83 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:54,759 the regular just kind of retros dropping here and there, Apes and mad Max 84 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:57,000 and stuff, and there's other ones starting, but now those are the biggest 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,519 one. And next week if you're a fan of apes, that's drum but 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,639 and yeah you already mentioned patron But yeah, we just dropped all our Patronics 87 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:06,439 Schools episodes. So the X Men Fancy Cast Part two, those are always 88 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:10,160 tons of fun. So yeah, look out. And I guess I should 89 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,040 promote this because it is video game related to Morrow Kirkland and Tara recording their 90 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,199 Knuckles review if they have finished. Yes, I did write down on my 91 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,720 nose by fordot mention it they're planning to speaking about Kirkland had a stratum meeting, 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,839 so they had to move it to a little bit so you'll hear. 93 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,399 If you're a fan of Sonic, the reviews are also on the feed, 94 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:27,839 but if you're just a fan in general, they will be breaking down. 95 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,160 Kirkland's a big Sonic guy, you know, Sonic sucker, i'd call him, 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,800 So if you're into that, it's it's a whole binge, which I 97 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,800 did not know. I have to edit our calendar because I thought, oh 98 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:39,279 really, I thought it was the weekly. Interesting. Yeah, no, 99 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:42,240 it's a it was a binge, so yeah, on then I'll drop on 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,639 the on the Wednesday for the feed, So look out for that, I 101 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,120 hope. Because when we did specifically Halo Season one, that kind of motivated 102 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,319 Kirkland to go back and play some Halo games. And then on side quest 103 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:55,720 we can talk about some of that. I wonder if this will motivate him 104 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,279 to want to go play any Sonic stuff. And I'd be curious to see 105 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,759 which which games he does jump too if he's he's itching to get back in 106 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,560 there. Yeah, because I feel like you want to go with Knuckles, 107 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,879 right, because you could go with the game Knuckles introduced as the villain, 108 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,920 but that's you won't get that vibe or anything, you know. But I've 109 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,480 I've heard I think there's gonna be some interesting discussion on that cast. I 110 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:15,519 think it's not exactly what they're expecting, so I don't know if that's good 111 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,040 or bad. But all I heard is that Knuckles is not in it a 112 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:25,720 lot or something, so that what they're thinking of such a series. But 113 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,319 yeah, but sometimes those are the best reviews and we're just uh, you 114 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:30,160 know, you guys have had some good Halo ones. I'm trying to think, 115 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:32,079 is there any check out our Fall review, but is there anything else? 116 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,279 Few games? I feel like there's something else video game, TV, 117 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,399 movie show coming out soon. I don't know why I can't. I don't 118 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:42,839 know why in the summer, but that's yeah, yeah, maybe I'm just 119 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:45,000 thinking of Knuckles. But yeah, check out our Fall review. I don't 120 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,360 think we were talking of newscasts, but that got reviewed for a season two. 121 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:49,240 So check out our season one review and we'll be back whenever that happens. 122 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,879 Amazon's second biggest show of all time behind So yeah, yeah, Ring 123 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,879 the Powers number one. Okay, yeah, so that's cool things we like, 124 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,199 you know. Yeah, Okay, let's talk about the games we've been 125 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:04,439 playing. I've got two games to talk about today. First one is a 126 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:10,920 Travis I've jumped into Watchdogs too all game this. I never got this, 127 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:14,279 What inspired this? I feel like, just a couple of weeks ago, 128 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,759 I think it was a three person cast camera whichever one we just did you 129 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:20,399 me and Taylor. It felt like we were talking about how like Watchdogs was 130 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,399 just even THO there was a report this week that Watchdogs is dead, they 131 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:27,639 plan on doing nothing. So how like, how did you feel yourself watch 132 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:31,439 You know a few months ago? It honestly might have been like half a 133 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:34,480 year ago. Now it's been a while. I saw that it got dropped 134 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:38,399 on game Pass and I was like, oh, I want to I want 135 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:42,639 to jump in and check this out. Would I spend eighty dollars for absolutely 136 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:44,759 not? But game Pass is a perfect way to do that. And I've 137 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:46,920 installed it months ago and it's just been sitting there, sitting there, sitting 138 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,000 there, and then finally a few days ago. You know, Travis, 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,920 I always love to have a just ongoing, like open world game in my 140 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,399 life, Okay, one that I just like if it's a late night, 141 00:07:57,439 --> 00:07:59,800 and these late nights mostly we've been doing a lot of Call of Duty, 142 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:01,439 but if we don't have that, I like just an open world game where 143 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:05,199 I can kind of my brain is half turned off and I can just roam 144 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,639 around do random stuff. And so I like to always have one of those. 145 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:11,079 And it felt like I don't really have one on the Ghost, so 146 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:13,120 it felt like, okay, maybe I'll jump into Watchdogs too. Finally, 147 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,160 and really, I have a very short history with this series, which is 148 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,480 that I checked out the first one either really cheap on a Steam sale or 149 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,639 was like maybe even a Blockbuster rental, like was that long ago, and 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,519 played it for like, I don't know, a handful of hours and then 151 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:30,639 it just like wasn't really working for me. It wasn't clicking, and so 152 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,320 I dropped it and then never really thought about it since. And then I 153 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,759 think it was more when the most recent Watchdogs, which was probably three years 154 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,080 ago, and I watch Watchdogs Legion, that game does look great and from 155 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,240 even the reviews, like I think some of the mechanics there seems like they've 156 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,639 really got a lot of stuff right, and I do want to go check 157 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,759 that one out. If that one gets out of the game Pass, I'll 158 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:50,919 go check it out. I think it's on Ubi soft Play or Plus or 159 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:54,240 whatever they call their things, so maybe that would be a way for me 160 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:54,799 to check it out in the future. But I was like, Okay, 161 00:08:54,799 --> 00:08:58,679 in the meantime, let me go check out this second game here, So 162 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:01,720 that was sort of the reason for it. So yeah, once again, 163 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:03,600 it is available on game Pass, and I don't know if it'll be there 164 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,200 for how long. I mean, it's kind of like UBI stuff does put 165 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,799 some stuff in there, but I'm guessing it's usually for like maybe a year 166 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,759 basis and then they kind of take it off and rotate different things in there, 167 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,759 So not sure how long it'll be on there. But you know, 168 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,960 also the second I think reason I think for checking it out is, you 169 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,399 know, GTA six is like right on the horizon, and man, I 170 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,200 cannot wait for it, very excited for it, but it's like it's also 171 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,960 been so long since I've really just jumped in to GTA, and this feels 172 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,399 like GTA Light in a lot of ways, where you're just bumping around San 173 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:39,000 Francisco, just like hijacking random vehicles, doing all sorts of crazy stuff. 174 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,879 There's combat, you can go just run off on the side and do a 175 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:43,759 motorcycle race for half an hour if you want. You know, it's just 176 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:46,679 one of those kind of sandbox these city games. And I feel like a 177 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,360 lot of the open world games I've been doing recently is like I've i don't 178 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,279 know, played a few of the Far Cry things or even some Follout and 179 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,840 just playing these sort of different settings. Just going back to a city sort 180 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,000 of one is kind of fun and I'm yeah, not super far in it 181 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,480 yet, but so far it's pretty fun. I'm surprised that like the game 182 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,440 feel of it is actually surprisingly good. I think that's one reason why I 183 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,440 end up bouncing off some Ubisoft things. And like, in the last few 184 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,080 years, I've tried to jump into some Assassin's Creed games, but they just 185 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,840 don't feel that great to play. Sorry Taylor, if you're listening to this. 186 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,320 I don't know what it is about them, but they just don't feel 187 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,759 as as snappy and responsive or something about the combat doesn't do it for me. 188 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,159 But this just felt a whole lot better. So I don't know what 189 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,360 the I would have to look into the history of like the crossover who worked 190 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,720 on Watchdogs two versus you know, the Assassin's Creed teams and whatever, But 191 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,480 even if they have similar engines, this one just feels good to play. 192 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,399 The story is really stupid and silly, and the characters are like really lame 193 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,000 and all that, but it doesn't really matter. I still I think the 194 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,200 you know, the core mechanic of Watchdogs is that you have all this tech 195 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,279 and you're hacking into all these things, and you can change street lights or 196 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,759 you can I don't know, bust open like random electrical panels in the ground, 197 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,960 mess with enemies you can, and you know, make cop cars from 198 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Afar just like glitch Out, and do all sorts of things. I know, 199 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,960 those mechanics are pretty fun so far. So I don't know how much 200 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,039 I'll get out of this one. I don't know if I'll be jumping, 201 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,159 you know, playing like twenty hours worth or just playing a few nights here 202 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,120 or there just to get a feel of it. But it's fun and it's 203 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,840 I guess better than I expected it to be, just because I kind of 204 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,120 bounced out the first Watchdogs pretty quick, and this one's just it's just kind 205 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,879 of dumb fun, which is you know what I kind of want every once 206 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,480 in a while after Yeah, a big serious game, you know, Yeah, 207 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,559 that's fun. I paid for it one time years almost twenty bucks, 208 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,320 and I never never fired it up. Because there's a few of those Ubisoft 209 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,519 games for me where they go so cheap. I pick them up, but 210 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:41,399 I ever play them, so it's maybe it works for them. That's good. 211 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,759 That's a good itch scratched because like GTA is next year, but at 212 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,120 the same time, we don't know when next year, and I think it 213 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:50,639 will hit, but you never know right that game that day, they could 214 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,360 always delay it a little bit. So yeah, sometimes you need to just 215 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,720 just I will say, it's easy, but it's not necessarily like a challenge. 216 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:00,879 You know, you don't want to plug in like Alan Ring or maybe 217 00:12:00,919 --> 00:12:03,159 a brain like when you're talking about like a late night or so. Yeah, 218 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,600 well you're enjoying at least, so you think you're gonna lea like what 219 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,639 is are you? Like? Are you just kind of do whatever is fun? 220 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,240 Are you streamlining the main mission or where are you going with it? 221 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,879 So far? I've not really streamlined it like I Like I said, I 222 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,159 just kind of did a couple of m sidequests. I went and did like 223 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,399 a motorcycle race, so just kind of picking things on the map that looked 224 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:28,039 interesting. But I don't know. I think I will once I jump back 225 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,600 in, go do a couple of the main quests, just to maybe get 226 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,919 a bit further and see if there's any kind of basic mechanics that kind of 227 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:35,480 get unlocked. As you you know, often games will kind of hide some 228 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,759 of that stuff in the main story. So now you'all do a little bit 229 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,759 more of that, but it seems like pretty open from the get go, 230 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:43,440 Like you have you start with a lot of money, and it's really easy 231 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,919 to make money in this game, so buying upgrades and like I don't know, 232 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,240 vehicle stuff is is pretty easy. Like you just when you're driving by 233 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,879 someone in a car, you can just like you know, connect with any 234 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,840 vehicle and sometimes you all just have a chance to just steal money from their 235 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:03,399 account. So you just hit a button you're just driving and you just like 236 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,360 you know, lock on every vehicle and just steal money from their bank account. 237 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:09,799 It's like it's such a weird mechanic. It's like there is there no 238 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:15,639 downside the don't come after you that. I feel like that would be half 239 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,879 the fun that there should be a mechanic where you can do that. But 240 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:18,759 if you do it too often, or if you do it in the wrong, 241 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,639 Yeah, there's seemingly just no punishment for just master you're stealing like twenty 242 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,759 bucks here there. So it's like maybe it's not so much. That's maybe 243 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:31,120 after I've stolen one million dollars worth and I'll be like, okay, now 244 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:33,039 something we got to bring them in. Buzzy's going up. But yeah. 245 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:37,879 I one thing that really stood out to me with the promotion of Watchdog's Legion, 246 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,320 the sequel to this is the kind of stimulated city element of it and 247 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,039 how every single person that you'll see every NPC like has a schedule, They 248 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:50,000 have a job that they go to, they have certain hobbies, they do 249 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:52,559 certain things, they have like an economic level and there, and then that's 250 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,360 those are the people you're like recruiting, and so you'll get people who have 251 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,759 different skills and stuff and all that seems really interesting. And so it's cool 252 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:03,519 going back to this game and not really honestly Watchdogs too. It's like it's 253 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:05,879 been so long that I kind of I kind of forget what the whole marketing 254 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,279 hype around it was other than just like being a brighter, more colorful I 255 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,039 feel like it's that. Yeah, it was like Watchdogs one, but like 256 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,840 let more of a GTA five sort of vibe to it, I guess, 257 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,320 And people this isn't really like the lead that was like too dark and stuff 258 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,360 of the fresh Adrian Pierce, because it's like about the death of your wife 259 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,159 or daughter, sandbox this world. So yeah, it's bright and colorful Watchdogs, 260 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,960 but this one kind of has a mechanic like that where once again, 261 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,120 every person you run into in the world, they have like a name. 262 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,200 It tells you like their job, whether they are like a flight attendant or 263 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,679 like a drug dealer like some of them are. Just there's way more criminals 264 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,080 in this world then one would expect, and you can get like basic stats 265 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,240 about them and you know if they like have a quest related to them, 266 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,960 and you'll also see that kind of thing. So I don't think it's quite 267 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,039 as deep. Definitely not as as Legions seems to be in some of those 268 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,799 mechanics, but it's cool to see kind of the lineage of that because I 269 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,960 don't remember from Watchdogs one if there was a mechanic like that in there where 270 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,799 they just give every NPC a name and ah the house and stuff like that. 271 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,360 Right, I think there was. Do you remember what city The Watchtongs 272 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,960 one was in Chicago, Illois? Yeah, I feel like I remember scan. 273 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,799 You could scan anybody and they'd have some kind of made up I could 274 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:20,919 have just been a name, but I feel like that was the thing. 275 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:24,000 Maybe not anybody, but it feels like a lot you could look into someone 276 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:26,879 because you're trying to always find like, oh, I need like a security 277 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:28,840 worker so I could pull this. So I feel like there was a mechanic. 278 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Maybe it was a lesser than version of the first one, but there 279 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,720 was definitely something like that in the first one I recall, mm hmm. 280 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,440 I like that kind of mechanic because that's something that you know Dishonored has with 281 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,000 the heart, where you can just like click on any NPC in the world 282 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:46,120 and it will tell you some little world building bit about them, something with 283 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,799 their backstory or their family or why they are the way they are, And 284 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,360 so I like that because it just makes you feel more immersive. It feels 285 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,879 like more part of the world. And so I don't know, this might 286 00:15:54,919 --> 00:16:00,879 be a bit more surface level than they get in Legion, but either way, 287 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,440 it's yeah, once again cool to kind of see the stepping stones of 288 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,320 all that. So yeah, I'm gonna keep playing it. I don't know 289 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,639 how long I'll play it for, but I definitely another few sessions and just 290 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:11,799 mess around and see what more it's about. I don't know how long it 291 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,879 would be to just like play through the main story of it, but I 292 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,120 also don't know if that's like the ideal way to play a game like this, 293 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,039 Like, I think it's more just like whatever looks fun in that moment, 294 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,879 whether it's a side quest that stands out or whatever, just messing around 295 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:27,960 trying to figure things out. Like I think that will be more kind of 296 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,039 the path I take with it, just looking for amable, lighthearted game in 297 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,399 that way. So plus, there's no you know, you can keep playing 298 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,039 that for a whole year if you want. There's no rush to beat Watchdogs 299 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,919 too gets spoiled or no one's on me like, dude, you gotta you 300 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,799 gotta finish this retros coming. Yeah, it's not all this Sunday, we 301 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,000 gotta review it. Yeah, it's a good one to have. So and 302 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,399 then Travis, the other game I picked up is for whatever reason, Xbox 303 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:55,840 is having like a Halloween in the spring sale where they had a bunch of 304 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,559 like scary games on sale. So I picked up Last one and two or 305 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:04,440 like five dollars five dollars for both of them. Got a really sweet deal 306 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:10,200 there. So I've been playing out Last one, which is fun because if 307 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,839 you go back, everyone can go back. Check out our Outlast Trials review 308 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,440 where we had the full crew on that we talked about that game and then 309 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,680 even after that review, we played for a few more weekends, had a 310 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,720 really great time with it. I think we've kind of seen most of what 311 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:22,440 we want to see from it at this point. I'm sure when there's new 312 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,559 content drops, we'll jump back in there every once in a while, but 313 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:27,799 we're just kind of in the war zone thing right now. But yeah, 314 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:33,799 I've since then I wanted to go back and check out these first two games. 315 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:36,279 So I'm gonna start with the first one here, and yeah, I'm 316 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:40,319 maybe two or three hours in at this point, and it's fun to kind 317 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:44,559 of go back and just see the similarities and differences with Trials. Obviously, 318 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,839 that is more of a co opy focused game, and it's all built around 319 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:51,119 that, and like how the levels and the structure of it, it's a 320 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,839 lot more level based, and like about the RPG elements, there's a lot 321 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,480 more UI elements to it, whereas going back to the first game, of 322 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,400 course, is a lot more simplified, more of a cinematic thing, with 323 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:06,920 a lot of like pre programmed jump scares and moments and characters and like linear 324 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,319 kind of force interactions and like you know you're gonna fall through this hole and 325 00:18:10,319 --> 00:18:14,279 then you walk up certain distance and then like a cut scene starts playing and 326 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:15,680 then someone kicks you down that hole, you know, that kind of thing. 327 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,000 So I'm liking it for that it goes it just yeah, has more 328 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:25,680 of like a obvious kind of flow to it. I suppose I'm liking the 329 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:29,480 video camera angle of it, where you kind of you have your your camera 330 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:32,839 up or down, and that like certain events will only get tracked in your 331 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:34,240 notepad if you have the camera, which is a weird element. But then 332 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,480 that's also where the night vision element comes in. I got to keep track 333 00:18:38,519 --> 00:18:42,519 of your batteries and all that. It doesn't seem that difficult so far. 334 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:47,160 I'm playing on the easiest difficulty. That's probably probably why that's my general go 335 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:48,839 to for horror games. Maybe for this, since I've played Trials, they 336 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:52,200 should have gone for a higher one, but I don't know, I don't 337 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,640 need the added stress of like being a little on batteries. You know, 338 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,359 like the game is stressful enough with all this freaking jump scares going on. 339 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,640 And then you know, I think maybe the one thing that's standing out to 340 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,839 me so far and is maybe the one thing that's making a bit less compelling 341 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,119 is that I think with Trials, they did a really good job with the 342 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,720 Enemy AI in terms of the unpredictability of it. Also, you're fighting so 343 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:17,680 many people at a given time sometimes, whereas going back to this game and 344 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,880 maybe I'm sure it'll ratch up the difficulty and intensity of things, but the 345 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,759 AI is seeming a lot more predictable in a way that's taking away a lot 346 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:26,680 of the tension. And like, one interaction that I've seen happen a few 347 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,799 times now is like if you run into a room and you're trying to hide, 348 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,240 and there's like two or three lockers, and you just go pick whatever 349 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:36,559 locker you're going to go in, the AI will always go and open the 350 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:38,160 locker right next to you, you know, because that's kind of freaky. 351 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,720 They'll never actually open the one year in unless they saw you walk into it 352 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,240 directly. But it's those things that just feels like, Okay, I can 353 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:48,039 kind of see the I'm like in the matrix, I can see the coding 354 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,920 underneath here that's telling these guys what they do. It a bit less too, 355 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:55,119 still, what's that the locker thing? They do? Then Trials too, 356 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:57,400 the right beside you if they don't see right so it's funny that carried 357 00:19:57,519 --> 00:20:02,839 over from the first of the multiplayer one. So yeah, so that's really 358 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:04,279 my only critique if it so far, it seems to be some of that 359 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:07,000 AI stuff and then you know the story and the setting and all that. 360 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:15,240 It's very it's not I guess, quite as goofy or like cringey as Trials 361 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:19,279 is as much Trials it's so weird, but yeah, it's definitely it still 362 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,359 is goofy with the characters in the setting and the and and the dialogue and 363 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,440 all that. But yeah, there it is definitely a bit more serious. 364 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,480 I also I like the visual style to it, Like going back, it's 365 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,079 a bit more simplified obviously, and this is like you can see how the 366 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:37,279 studio evolved over time in terms of like just the detail and the tech and 367 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,799 all that. But there's something about the simplistic graphics, like even the sky 368 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,319 the skybox has like a weird look to it that is like almost makes you 369 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,759 feel like you're in a dream state or something. But just compared to Trials, 370 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,839 which all takes place inside these bunkers under I don't even know what takes 371 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,640 place, but definitely not outside. It's cool to see that different environment. 372 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:57,839 So so yeah, it's it's fun. I'm probably gonna play through the whole 373 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,920 thing, and then I'm excited to go into Outlast two as well, because 374 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,880 we talked about that on the review and how none of us have really put 375 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,599 a lot of time into it, so I want to see kind of the 376 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:11,319 different angle on it with a maybe more open outside area. Seems kind of 377 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:14,279 interesting. Is a different setting. Yeah, No, that's exciting you're going 378 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:15,559 through that. I'm not sure. I'm excited when you get to two to 379 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,440 hear your thoughts. So that's when I still dip my toes in because all 380 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,880 I heard is that it was, you know, lesser than, but that 381 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,000 was also I feel like there's been years removed, so maybe it's one of 382 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,039 those things of it's lesser than, but was it still enjoyable and I just 383 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:30,519 listen to everybody or is it really lesser than where it's like, okay, 384 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,960 this is not even that a fun time? Like I imagine still a similar 385 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,400 sthetic as far as you're going around, you know, avoiding bad guys or 386 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,839 some mechanics. So yeah, and with one because when I got this whole 387 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:47,839 bundle for it, it came with Outlast one Whistleblower, which I guess is 388 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,599 the DLC. Did you play that? But no, because I think because 389 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,720 I got this free on PlayStation, I don't think the DLC was out at 390 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,440 that point, gotcha, Okay, and then you didn't, like decide to 391 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 go back when it No, And I think at that point I had kind 392 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,039 of moved on, but I thought i'd heard good things about it. Okay, 393 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,000 Yeah, that got that with this bundle, like I said, So 394 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:10,200 I'll definitely jump into it afterwards and see see what's different, what changes. 395 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,880 I don't think the second game has a DLC pack associated with it, so 396 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,279 I wonder why they chose to do it that way. But yeah, yeah, 397 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,720 interesting. So there you go. I'll share my thoughts as I play 398 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,559 through more Outlast. And I know you haven't play anything new more of that 399 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,119 war Zone. I'm curious though, because I know you've been you talked about 400 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,200 this on Original so you're just really busy right now. I got a lot 401 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,119 on your plate, doing a lot of writing and other things. What is 402 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,960 the top of your stack right now? Once you're if you're not doing Warzone, 403 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:38,559 you do you have some gaming time? What is it like the what 404 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,920 is the top of the stack right now, Well other than next I'll probably 405 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,960 move hell Blay to the top. Just that makes SHI get right. I 406 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,359 still would very much like to go because, like I said, I think 407 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,279 I'm in the third that if it's a three act structure. How because I 408 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:52,680 watch movies that's always going in my mind. I feel like I'm on the 409 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,160 third act of elm Ring and I just got busy. And I also that's 410 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,759 a game that now that you can streamline it, but you can look at 411 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,440 some things and I'll probably be Okay, what's the best patches to do that? 412 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,680 Because that's a game that I purposely was like, I'm not gonna I 413 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,200 said on that very first review we did with Sarah's like, I'm not going 414 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,799 to try to streamline this because there's so many games i'd done that for and 415 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,839 I love the experience of what's out there. But I would like to go 416 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,680 back to that DLC. I just know that it's like it's a fun game, 417 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,920 but it is like a commitment. It's like what you're talking about with 418 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Watchdogs. It's the opposite, right, It's that's not a I just got 419 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,200 a couple hours at night and I'm kind of tired, but I could just 420 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,839 have a fun time. That's like gotta be in the zone. Same thing 421 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,920 you gotta have like everybody would have to be asleep. I gotta be myself 422 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,920 and stuff. So I think that would be I think that would be the 423 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,480 top one after hell Blad, because yeah, I don't think there's too many 424 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,519 new games coming out that I'm that interested in picking up at least day one, 425 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,759 So it'll depend the timing of it. So my I guess my trajectory 426 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:55,119 I'm hoping to maybe do is like hell Blade elden Ring and then the DLC 427 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,200 and then that Star was gonna be on August, so I feel like that 428 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,880 would kind of be my my month's planned out there. So and then who 429 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,640 knows, Like there's always times we obviously do Warzone. Maybe we'll go back 430 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,519 out last if something drops there. But I think that's the that's the trajectory 431 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,200 of uh happening lately. So yeah, I would just like to finally get 432 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,319 back there. But I definitely when I get back in there, I would 433 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,319 do the main storyline, but in fact I have to just go right around 434 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,319 a bit, get back in that that mindset of the of the challenge and 435 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,920 everything, and even that it's been I have no I think I'm in that 436 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,240 demon hell world where there's like that big thing of the entrance that's like like 437 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,680 standing there. It's like it looks very there's like a path. I got 438 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,720 to it very early, and then I came back to it later. It's 439 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,720 like all there's olid Is that what you're talking about? I think so yeah, 440 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,839 And then the entrance I think when you get there too early, there's 441 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,200 like a big thing there. I'm not sure if you can eventually kill it 442 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,240 or not, but there's a couple of big things I remember in that area, 443 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:48,240 so I don't know. It's right at the game. It's right the 444 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:51,319 entrance of that building and you can't really get in. You can go behind 445 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,160 it, but it wakes up, so I'm not sure if that's a killable 446 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,519 thing. I'm sure it is, but yeah, I want I've just been 447 00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:59,519 thinking about getting back in that world. I really enjoyed that game, and 448 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,559 I think things like Rings of Power and that's coming out hopefully in the end 449 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,440 of summer, like some more medieval stuff. So I think that's the I 450 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,079 think that's the plan. Is Elan Ring. I'd like to and that, 451 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,960 but there'll be a certain point if I get too close to the DLC, 452 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,240 then I might pivot to something else, smaller before the Star Wars game and 453 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,920 who knows what, But I need to I guess I need to download that 454 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,640 app and make a full attack plan here because summer is always busy too. 455 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,519 But I want to I want to get back in Alan ring. So yeah, 456 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,319 definitely. Okay, cool, let's take our first break and we'll get 457 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:34,200 back. We'll get into our main topic. Okay, we are back. 458 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,920 So yeah, like I said at the top of the show, PS four, 459 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,839 we're doing a little little retrospective. You're gonna talk about our favorite games. 460 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,160 We'll do a little top five ranking. But you might be wondering, 461 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,359 why why the tim into this? Why is this? Why is this coming 462 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,200 on now? Is a very random time for this. I think a couple 463 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,079 of reasons. One, this week a very slow newsweek. There's not a 464 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,000 whole lot going on. I was looking around my topics listen, I saw 465 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:57,799 this one. I was like, hey, no, we never we never 466 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,680 got around to this. And I think the reason why we never got around 467 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,799 to it is the end of the PS four is kind of weird, and 468 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,000 it's like, you could even say that it hasn't even ended yet, but 469 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,920 there was just you know, we talked about doing this cast me and you 470 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,000 know a long time ago, like around the time I think when the PS 471 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:17,960 five was about to come out as like a a final like end cap there 472 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,039 to the PS four talk about our favorite games from it. But then it's 473 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:22,599 like, okay, well, with the PS five launch, you have Miles 474 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,599 Morales, but that's on PS four as well, and then like okay, 475 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,839 and then Horizon Forbidden West is coming out and that's still on the PS four. 476 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,079 And then after that even like okay, God will Regnarks, that's still 477 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,680 in the PS four, And so I feel like it really isn't until I 478 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,880 feel like this is actually kind of the year, or I guess you could 479 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,200 say last year is when we've finally been kicked into like the PS five generation 480 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:47,480 proper like this year in particular with final fantasies have Rebirth, Stellar Blade, 481 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,400 Rise, le Ronan, even Pacific Drive, like none of those are first 482 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,279 party games, but they're all Spider Man in Fall last year too, because 483 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,519 that was finally just PS five, right, So yeah, for sure, 484 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,240 I feel like, maybe, yeah, maybe since that Spider Man moment is 485 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,680 when we finally off into the PS five proper generation. And then also like 486 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,799 the time is this is kind of weird because this year, as I just 487 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,240 mentioned those four games, I know there was a first party, and PlayStation 488 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,400 have said like, we don't have any games coming out this year. They 489 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,160 just straight up said that no first party things are coming out this year. 490 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:15,240 So it's gonna be a bit of a dry spell. So then maybe it's 491 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,119 a good time to actually kind of soak it all in and look back at 492 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,240 this. So so, yeah, the PS four is a console that me 493 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,440 and you were both a big fan of. We talked about a lot on 494 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,400 the podcast, of course, but I went to first just ask like do 495 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,839 you miss it? Do you miss the PS four or is the PS five? 496 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,680 Has that been like a smooth transition for you and you're just kind of 497 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,920 happy to be in this this current gen. Yeah, I feel like it's 498 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,000 been a smooth transition. And to your point, that is like a I 499 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,200 think it's a pro and a con because a pro you just kind of pick 500 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,519 up like they changed a bit of the UI. But what it's like a 501 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,440 almost your thurel. There's like nice golden sparks and music versus I don't know. 502 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,440 The blue screen, the menu's pretty much the same. I think they 503 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,119 divide like the games and media, so it does feel just like then it's 504 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,359 I think it's a more successful, easily more successful version of like the WI 505 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,759 to the WEU because the PS five like there's some advances. But I think 506 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:11,359 that's the problem is it doesn't feel like there's a clear almost all those consoles, 507 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,240 Like I said, we to WEU, that doesn't feel like that. 508 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:17,880 But I feel like Xbox is almost similar to right now with the Xbox One 509 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,359 to the what are they now? Xbox like series X and s like they 510 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,359 just feel like a you know, granted they've kind of said that before that 511 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,039 these things might become more like phones, which I get from a business standpoint 512 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,559 because if something's working, why do a big change up? Right? Why 513 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,039 do you saw what happened with the EU, right? You saw it happen 514 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,759 with Xbox One. When they try to do big change ups, sometimes I 515 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,680 can completely backfire, right, so or it can be something like the switch. 516 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,920 So I feel like it is just like a the better than version, 517 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,759 but even that it's like that better then of course there's games that are more 518 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:52,319 graphically improved and it's more powerful. I don't miss the plane sound it makes, 519 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,000 so hopefully my PS five never gets to that point where it's like so 520 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:59,559 far, so good. We're how many years PS five now it's twenty twenty 521 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,319 man fourth year currently, jesuis, yeah, we're coming on almost half a 522 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,559 decade next year. So yeah, I don't think I miss it. But 523 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,759 it's almost like they didn't allow me to miss it, because like PS one, 524 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,079 PS two, PS three, and the PS four feels so distinct. 525 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,519 All the Nintendo eras feel very distinct other we and we U, and then 526 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,880 all the Xbox ones did as well too. Whether it was a look of 527 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,559 the console that's the most thing, and I'd say, like I'm the worst 528 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:25,480 person to ask, but look of consoles, because both consoles have just been 529 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,240 in a cupboard. I never see them, so it's not like, oh 530 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,920 I missed that. Does maybe I miss how small the PS four was, 531 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,039 like it not as like bulky, But yeah, no, I don't think 532 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,000 I miss it in that aspect. It feels very much like it's just lived 533 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,359 on and evolved. And like I said, maybe I'd like that with the 534 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,599 PS six, but I'd kind of get if they just stayed in the same 535 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,480 realm if we got to make something like them. So yeah, I do 536 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,960 feel like there is something as time goes on these current console generations. I 537 00:29:56,039 --> 00:30:00,640 guess maybe Nintendo is not part of this, but yeah, I do feel 538 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640 like there's a bit more of these consoles are seeming less unique, and I 539 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,240 don't know if they're gonna be as I mean, we're also just getting older, 540 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,599 so like, obviously we're aways gonna be nostalgia for the N sixty four 541 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,920 in a way that we just naturally won't be for something like the PS four. 542 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,079 But I think you're right, especially in the era now where like have 543 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,680 you bought a physical game on your PS five? No, Well, I 544 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,279 have one on my Xbox Series X. I think I got elden Ring on 545 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,039 a physical version in case day they wanted to borrow it or something. But 546 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,839 I think that's part of it, where like you almost don't even see that 547 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,599 delineation between the console generation when you're not really like having those physical versions of 548 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,000 the game, and you just kind of connect with things differently, especially Xbox 549 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,799 when it comes to game Pass. For a lot of these games, like 550 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,240 it doesn't really matter if you're playing on Xbox one or Series X even still 551 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:52,359 in the year twenty twenty four or four years after that console is released two 552 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,480 and so yeah, I definitely feel like these these systems, I mean, 553 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,000 they still feel like generations, but it feels a little bit less so. 554 00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,400 And I think for me, like the PS four, that was the first 555 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,079 PlayStation console I ever owned personally, you know, played a lot of PS 556 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,160 one and two growing up at like at friend's house, and then a little 557 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,240 bit of PS three as well, ever played really any of the handhelds, 558 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:15,759 but I think for me that was like a very special thing as finally being 559 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,519 in that world for the first time, and it took some getting used to, 560 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,440 but by the end of that, like, man, I love that's 561 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,799 might be my favorite controller ever. I love that PS four controller, and 562 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,680 I miss it now that I'm like a primary Series X gamer these days. 563 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640 And fuck I hate the joy gone so much still in this very day. 564 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,960 I mean, the GameCube controller is iconic, but in terms of a more 565 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:41,799 modern controller design, I still love that PS four controller. And then even 566 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:47,359 just like what it felt like, I still remember those E three showcases where 567 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,839 we got some of those big games, you know, when we first saw 568 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,440 Ghosts. It was like, what is this game? And seeing Spider Man 569 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,039 and Horizon and all those death stranding trailers, and I feel like that was 570 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:01,680 such an exciting time for Sony and even just like you know, not to 571 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,680 just stand over a corporation here, but even just like you know, Sean 572 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,359 Laydon, the whole direction in the aesthetic of PlayStation with something I was so 573 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,960 fond of and I was so hopeful for the future of. And now I'm 574 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,079 very much like, I don't love the direction they taken, but now they're 575 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,000 you know, the new CEO in that position, so maybe things will take 576 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,480 a turn. But yeah, I just there was that whole allure of that 577 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,960 very that time. And then of course releasing all these huge, unique new 578 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:29,359 ip I think is huge too, whereas the PS five generation has been like 579 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,880 I meant a lot of sequels to those games, and that's great, But 580 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:36,000 there is something special about just man game after game after game of either a 581 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:39,079 reboot of an old series I got of War or Horizon, a stranding Ghost, 582 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,000 Spider Man, similar thing where it's like, man, these are just 583 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,240 new, fresh games that we haven't seen before, and they're all just they're 584 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,880 all good. Pretty much like even the ones that are that we may be 585 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,839 uh rag on a little bit. It's like Detroit Become Human still a very 586 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:57,279 solid game, or Days Gone. Haven't got around it, but like still 587 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,599 a solid game. Just rated, give it a fair shot, you know. 588 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Yeah, So I don't know. I just I very much look on 589 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720 look back on those like maybe three or four year long period in that PS 590 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,519 five because I didn't get it or PS four, but I didn't get it 591 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,359 at launch. I got maybe like two or three years in and like, 592 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,920 yeah, that period was like really great. And then all the reviews that 593 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,799 mostly me and you did Someonie's Kirkling with jump in on them. But it 594 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,799 was just such a such a great era for gaming. It's one of those 595 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,119 things where man, I didn't realize, you know, we were in the 596 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,359 golden years and were like past them. It's like that kind of thing, 597 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680 right, Yeah, No, it's interesting. I don't know if you'll ever 598 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:35,440 see And I think that's something that people have listened to podcasts. I've seen 599 00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,759 articles about the people that you know cover games like daily or you know that's 600 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:43,640 their job. Is just I don't and even with everything, so many games 601 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,400 to you is closing down or you know, it's I think it's very similar. 602 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,359 And it'll be funny to look back in decades, right, because I 603 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,279 was joke about this and I say that since like two thousand and five, 604 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,759 like life's pretty boring because you look at like sixties to nineties, it's ending 605 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,440 two thousands, like everything's so distinct, right, But it just feels like 606 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,519 since the twenty tens, like we kind of like it's just kind of the 607 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:05,559 same thing, but a little bit different, a little bit newer. And 608 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,759 that's the same thing, Like you look at that when we were on the 609 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:12,280 podcast at twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen for movies and games, like movies having 610 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,719 ever like just look at a movie, Oh that's a guaranteed billion dollars guaranteed 611 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,800 billion dollar. Same thing with games, like, oh that's a hit, 612 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,880 that's a hit. We're now, unfortunately, get so many studios that close 613 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,800 or shutting down or layoffs, right, And it's just I don't think we 614 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,719 appreciated back then that man, there's so many people that were spending money or 615 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,159 and that could be a bunch of economic stuff too, but just in general, 616 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,599 like these big game same thing, like these studios producing all these I 617 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,960 think we kind of thought that, oh, it's gonna be this way for 618 00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:40,079 everyone. Really, when you look back at the history of gaming, it 619 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,719 was never like that, right. It was just that it was crazy that 620 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,079 we happen to have a few years like that all together, especially for Sony, 621 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,320 right, I think, and Nintendo's had that sometimes as well too, 622 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,599 But even then I feel like they would do that and then they go off 623 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:53,679 the gas for a little bit and they wait and then they come out where 624 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,760 Sony was just for about two and a half years putting out something and if 625 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,519 it wasn't a game, it was a hype announcement. It was stuff like 626 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,960 God of War, like that was a thing where I remember all of us 627 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,199 it was you, Me, Kyle, Liam Tyler, and none of us 628 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,559 were really big God of War people. But after that trailer were like, 629 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,519 Wow, this looks like something really incredible, right, And I feel like 630 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,239 it's been a minute since I've gotten that from kind of any company. There's 631 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,719 the odd time, and I think it's more specifically Studios and that again with 632 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,159 E three and stuff, and that kind of goes away and there's that hype 633 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:28,440 cycle of nowadays, it's just you can put out trailer Tuesday, right and 634 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,880 get that. But I think it just the stars kind of aligned, and 635 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,960 I do think that they did kind of have a little bit. I think 636 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,880 it's much like everything else, Like you know, I talkbos and wrestle all 637 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,360 the time, like competition breeds that sort of stuff. And I wonder if 638 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,840 they had just completely dominated the PS three era, if we hit that PlayStation 639 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,440 right, because I think luckily at the end of that they came around and 640 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,800 they outsold three sixty, But that's not the narrative, right. The narrative 641 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,679 was everyone at three sixty, that's what you played with your friends. So 642 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,320 I wonder if they just won and they was still console. I feel like 643 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,079 they did feel we need to make big games that sell us call so that 644 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,840 they can have to be the destination point where now even though they're not selling 645 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,119 like the PS five numbers, I think it's still gonna be very like successful 646 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:10,719 also the PS five like it is. But I mean, like, I 647 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,599 don't know where it will be in the grand scheme of things. I think 648 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,199 PS five is like or PS four is like what, It's in the top 649 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,360 five for sure, right, not counting handhelds. I think it's top five, 650 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,639 top three somewhere in there, right, yeah, I think PS two 651 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,719 is still the highest, followed by the I believe the Switch at this point, 652 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,159 yeah, the Wii, and then maybe the PS twos is after that 653 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,679 point the PS four is so yeah, that to me sounds right. PS 654 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,400 four A four yeah, so yeah to me, that's where it's just I 655 00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,800 wonder with that narrative if that would have been it, because now I just 656 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,480 feel like, oh they are they kind of get to coast, right for 657 00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,280 the most part. Of course, you still want to be selling stuff, 658 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,320 but and the last point has like what you're talking about with Xbox. That's 659 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,679 the thing now too, where when you're gonna have games come into PlayStation that 660 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,400 those generations feel even less than right like it feels now to me is like 661 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,599 if you want your PlayStation or Xbox, and if you're not a PlayStation exclusive 662 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,400 guy, it really just comes down to like which controller do you like better? 663 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,639 Like what you are, like if you are if you just play, 664 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,239 if you're a main strepierce in that place you're like you're called due to your 665 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:15,400 Madens, your your I don't know what's what's gonna be on both consoles from 666 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,360 it like GTA right, like I don't think I believe those rumors that it's 667 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,280 gonna be PlayStation exclusive for a year even you know, so yeah, I 668 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,920 don't buy any of that stuff, so the games have made even less so 669 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,360 then, so it's, uh, it's it's a weird time to be in 670 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,360 and that's what That's what I've always cheered for Xbox back then. They're going 671 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,960 a different route now and I don't think I think this is the PlayStation we 672 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,360 kind of get forever now where people buy them. They're the name, and 673 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,239 you're still gonna get exclusives of course, but it's not gonna be that rapid 674 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,039 rate that we got a couple of years ago, which was huge. So 675 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,239 yeah, no, I like, I love what you're saying about the the 676 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,239 presentation of it. I feel like they just had such they just had to 677 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,760 like such a strong presence with all those like showcases usally new is something you're 678 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,280 gonna look forward to, and whether it was yeah, like a state of 679 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,760 play thing or or the big on showcase, whatever, it was like you 680 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,280 knew you were gonna just be at least intrigued by what they're showing. And 681 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,119 then along with that it's just like, yeah, the release calendar just felt 682 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:13,840 so solid where you're getting consistent game or two or three every year, and 683 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,719 I just feel like even right now, as I just talk about, like 684 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,480 they don't really have a big new game this year. Yeah, they like 685 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:21,880 Rebirth, that's a huge title for their console, but in terms of the 686 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,519 first party stuff, they don't have something there. And that's even like, 687 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,920 you know, I love my series X I love the console, but I 688 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,960 mostly just because of game passing the variety there. But man, it takes 689 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,280 so long for these like new first party Xbox games to come out, and 690 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320 we're that at that point now with PlayStation where the development cycles are so fricking 691 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,840 long that it's just taking so long to get anything. So you're gonna have 692 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,599 like large swaths of time where there isn't really something new or exciting coming out, 693 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,920 And then it also just makes the whole thing a bit more dry, 694 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,719 where I don't I feel like I haven't heard any PlayStation news in like weeks, 695 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,840 are just like there's just nothing really going on because there isn't like these 696 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,880 games to talk about. There's not really too much announce. We know, 697 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,760 like a couple things that are but for the most part, we're kind of 698 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,960 just like, oh, yeah, we're assuming that, you know, the 699 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,159 next ghost of the stream of the games like in development, but we don't 700 00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,000 really know anything about it, and it could still be like another three years 701 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,920 away or something crazy like that. There's the odd one. We're like, 702 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,639 we're now kind of getting into that cycle of desk strinding two, which is 703 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:15,840 exciting, But then you can even look at that and be like, well, 704 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,760 it's not quite first party either, so there's maybe a little bit difference 705 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:22,519 there from where we were a few years ago. Well, and I think 706 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,320 that's the thing with the PS five. It kind of either goes two ways 707 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,679 where either this is the console look looked at as it started the norm of 708 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,199 what PlayStation is for the next few decades, or if PlayStation six is a 709 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,639 bit more similar to PS four, where it's a bunch of games and there's 710 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:40,719 a change up here, it could be looked as the transitional period. As 711 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,960 far as like, well, they're just kind of coasting on PS four. 712 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,719 I feel like, because we've already gotten rumors up pill about PS six that 713 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,360 it is just gonna be this is the norm, and like, Okay, 714 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,800 we're gonna make it a little bit different here. And also we see like 715 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,519 some of those advancements like with unreal engines, like Man, there's gonna be 716 00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:59,480 some really pretty looking games. So it's like I get that consoles will be 717 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,039 more expensive of it, they're just gonna be maybe more powerful instead of really 718 00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:06,079 changing much. But uh yeah, I feel like we still need some time 719 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,440 to see exactly what the error is. But I think it is a defining 720 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,199 era one way, where PS four to me is like the I don't I 721 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,719 think it's gonna be kind of the peak for a while because I think it's 722 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,039 gonna be the peak for what they have in the game, but also just 723 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,280 business wise, right because they'll be looked as the time where they were the 724 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,559 top guy, you know, because Nintendo it's that thing where they've been the 725 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,400 top guy like many times. You know, they like they're all like, 726 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,280 to me, they are the top because they started. They didn't start the 727 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,920 whole thing, but they kind of did right, Like with the them being 728 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,800 this big brand, they were the first one that people that didn't play video 729 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,800 games would play that console. So yeah, I'll be exciting to see even 730 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,599 five years from now what's looked back as. But I do I think it's 731 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,599 like that thing whereas I don't miss the console PS four, but I miss 732 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,519 the era of PS four because it did feel, like you said, those 733 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:50,880 rope maps were nice because even if we didn't have a date, we kind 734 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,320 of had like an expectation of, Okay, this might be like same thing 735 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,400 like Ghost of Shushima. I'm just crazy. We haven't heard like anything about 736 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,280 that, you know, like it's it's because when that come out twenty eighteen 737 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,360 or something like that, twenty nineteen, I think, so we're coming on 738 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,360 five years now because it came on the summer, which is and then I 739 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,159 think some of that DLC stuff came out on twenty twenty true, right, 740 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,079 and they didn't come on twenty Legends, right, that's what it was called, 741 00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,440 right, Legends, right, yeah, legends. Yeah. So there's 742 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:21,199 the Island, yeah, Pikey Island wherever it was. Yeah. Yeah. 743 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,920 So let's talk a little bit about some of those favorite games. I mean, 744 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,440 there were so many, especially when going through this, like just forgot 745 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,719 about a handful of Man, I can't believe some of that. And of 746 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239 course we didn't play everything. I didn't play everything because we're just two people 747 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,599 and it'll get review codes. So it's like it's expensive to get every single 748 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:38,760 one of these games, so we got pick and choose. But I still 749 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,480 think like we did a pretty good job of covering a lot of the big 750 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,280 ones. So and I don't really have a particular order here. These are 751 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,000 just an order which I wrote them down. So talk about Horizon a little 752 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,880 bit. So Horizon's kind of it's come, It's got, It's it's SQL, 753 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,360 it's got its whole spin off now with the VR title. And this 754 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,519 is a weird one where you know, at the time, I I love 755 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,519 the game so much, and then for some reason I've just like soured on 756 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:06,159 over the years. I think there's one reason is like I went back for 757 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,440 the DLC when they released that, and it was like really hard to lce 758 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,880 and it came out far enough after the launch of the game that I was 759 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,840 like really rusty and I was like, oh okay, I kind of bounced 760 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,400 off that, and then Forbin West just didn't really do it for either of 761 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,920 us. But it's like, still that game was so unique, some of 762 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,920 the mechanics visually, like still one of the best looking, if not the 763 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,679 best looking game games of all time, Like a really cool sci fi world. 764 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,400 Something just totally different, and also it was just cool as like a 765 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,800 pivot for that studio too, to do something completely yeah, and they had 766 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,880 done before, so such a just iconic kind of new ip distinctly from that 767 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,679 era. Yeah, new icon with Aloya as well too, because that's always 768 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:46,880 a good thing when you can create new ones, because you know, when 769 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,679 they brought back Creatos, it's like, okay, well you're bringing someone back. 770 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,719 You had Spider Man's like, well, that's kind of a cheek because 771 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,440 he's already established. It was cool to see, Okay, we're making somebody 772 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,639 of big note and yeah, I have pretty much. I think it's like 773 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,239 you were almost a tail of two cities in a way where it's weird because 774 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,960 you The second game is more recent for me, which again then I did 775 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,119 not think was awful, But the first game, I just remember that being 776 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,920 the game that's still anytime I was playing Zelda Breath the while, I was 777 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,559 like, oh, I want to be back in that game, right, 778 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,880 And I think that game for me had a big window to fail as well, 779 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,000 because I'm not like, like, I like dinosaurs enough, but I 780 00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:23,159 wasn't like I remember the first Traders like there's some cool aspects. I was, 781 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,039 oh, the cool robot dinosaurs, like, hey, what's more of 782 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,840 the game, and you said gorilla games doing that was very exciting, so 783 00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,960 uh yeah, I think that that shows that game represents what I was talking 784 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,920 about, where it wasn't just them resting on their loyals or the loyals right, 785 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,960 No, they almost said resting on their aloys is almost what it which 786 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,440 is like a great yeah either way, it didn't show that they were playing 787 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,679 it safe. They did that also thought about got a War two, but 788 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,039 that to me was Okay, we are going to you know, revitalize stuff, 789 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:57,920 do new things, and also create new things. And it panned out 790 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,360 for them because great game, and and even the majority of people think two's 791 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,960 a great game. We'll get a third one one day and I'm not sure 792 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,719 it depends on my life where I'll dip my toes back in because I didn't 793 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,920 hate the game, and maybe takes one great trailer with a few things to 794 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,239 show me, Okay, that could be interesting. And I did like, 795 00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,000 I still like Aloy overall as a character for the most part. In the 796 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,400 second game, there are some choices they make, right, I go like, 797 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,079 yeah, like that kind of sucks, but overall and uh and same 798 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:23,719 thing. That's something that I think they've still said is like they're making a 799 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,840 Netflix show or something, so right, yeah, that's where it's like, 800 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,079 oh okay, if that show's there, might kind of uh, you know, 801 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,559 get some juices going. So I think that was just a big win 802 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:37,360 for them in the PS four era. Yeah, something so cool and unique 803 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:38,320 because you can see I'm not sure if it's on your list, but it's 804 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,760 like you can see Days Gone where they did that and that didn't go anywhere, 805 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,679 right, wasn't a franchise. They didn't really consider it a hit, 806 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,400 you know, And that's where that could have been Horizon where it been oh 807 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,400 yeah, it's just like kind of cool dinosaur robot game, but there's not 808 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,079 much there, you know. It's just that's the concept and that's it. 809 00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:57,360 But now you know, when we're making we're gonna make a top five here, 810 00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,039 I think for the know for what we're doing here, we're trying to 811 00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:05,639 pick like PS five exclusive games. If you have games on your list you 812 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:10,119 want to show out at four right, Sorry, it's prepared wrongly. No, 813 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,760 Like if you have a game that's not a PS four exclusive, but 814 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,239 you just heavily associate with the console. That's cool too, we can bring 815 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,679 those up, but then we also have to keep in mind that, like 816 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,000 man, a lot of these games aren't even exclusive anymore because they've come to 817 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:29,199 PC. So console exclusives, but you know, I think that for I 818 00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:30,280 think Horizon, Yeah, it is on Steam now at this point, so 819 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,719 it's not even an exclusive game anymore. But I think, to me, 820 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,039 it's still that's still a PS four PS four game, you know, yes, 821 00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:39,639 as tippy top as you can get there. But when you think of 822 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,119 Forbidden West, do you think of that as a PS four PS five game? 823 00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,199 And I know it's you played on PS five, but in terms of 824 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:50,119 like the history or lineage or where it belongs in the annals of time, 825 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,239 like what do you where do you think of that one? And that's what 826 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,360 I hate. It's just like this gray area of like it's a compout answer, 827 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,280 but like I think of neither, I just think of it as a 828 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,880 game now, right, Like it's not a Sony Games. Yeah, it's 829 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,239 just a game that came out. Not that it's not DLC, of course, 830 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,559 but it feels almost like when DLC happens, where it comes out and 831 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:07,880 it's like, oh, yeah, I remember playing that or they did something 832 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,119 there, And I think there's obviously bigger ones like Experiment two that I would 833 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,079 remember more, and I guess it's PS five more like Miles, right, 834 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:20,719 But it's in this kind of weird era, So it's like, technically I 835 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,119 can't really put it in either camp because I played that. I played Miles 836 00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:28,840 on PS five, you know, but a bunch probably more people played those 837 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,400 games on PS four, if not the same Miles. I know for sure 838 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:35,079 Miles sold tremendously on the PS four, right, So I think it's just 839 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,719 in this weird nether realm Yeah, I mean for me, I did play 840 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,400 on the PS four, But this one's easy one to like discount of it 841 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,360 because you know, we don't love the second one as much as the first 842 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,880 one. So I think for the sake of our making list possibilities here we 843 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,639 can we can kick it off. But yeah, it is a weird one 844 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,320 that exists in that space. And there's a couple otherthers as well. Let's 845 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,639 just talk about those ones next. So Spider Man, you know, of 846 00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,320 course, with the Great Spider Man twenty eighteen, Miles and Morales as well 847 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,639 is kind of in that weird spot. I think one thing that's kind of 848 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:08,159 interesting when I look back on the PlayStation this PS four generation of games, 849 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:13,000 is I haven't really replayed a lot of these games, and so if there 850 00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:15,519 was like a DLC pack, so for Horizon, for example, that's when 851 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,719 I would have jumped back. Or eventually I got the ps FO the Spider 852 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,039 Man DLC, so I jump jump back and check some of that stuff out 853 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,400 and then goes to Sushima with that online mode and the DLC. Once again, 854 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,840 I jump back. But if it wasn't for like new content, I 855 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,320 didn't really revisit these games or haven't replayed any of them, so they very 856 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:36,280 much exist in that pocket of time. But man, Spider Man PS four, 857 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,639 my first ever platinum trophy in a game, you know, just played 858 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,159 the hell out of it. Just all the different costumes, seen the city 859 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,079 like that, just the gameplay. I haven't really played a lot of Spider 860 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:49,119 Man games in my life, as much as I love that character, so 861 00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:52,400 I hadn't played like the classic kind of PS two one and the other ones 862 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,800 that people love so much. So man, just what a game. And 863 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,559 you know, once again is similar story. Unfortunately, where Miles Morales didn't 864 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:00,519 quite do it as much. For me. I think it was just because 865 00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:05,079 it was a bit a little bit shorter. The one wasn't quite as good 866 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,800 and get to kind of steep in it quite as much. But maybe it 867 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,599 was just a bit too much of the same and that first game has nailed 868 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,719 it so much. But yeah, when I think back on that one, 869 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,079 I just I love that game so much. The combat system was fantastic, 870 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:20,360 so many unique innovations, all of just the details of looking in different windows 871 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,719 and seeing the different like they put so much detail into just the city of 872 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,920 that place that was so much, such a big part of it as the 873 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,480 character of it. So yeah, what a great time that was. Yeah. 874 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:30,920 No, and then I'm the reverse where it's like not that I played 875 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,440 every Spider Man game knowing a man, but it's like I feel all the 876 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,360 biggest ones that were It's like there I was still buying those they did, 877 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:44,079 god like Spiderman Edge Dimensions, Inspiman Shattered Dimensions, and Spider Man Web of 878 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:46,920 Shadows, Like I I was into all those And this was we hadn't got 879 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,519 a game in a while, and this was that pre Arkham era where it's 880 00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,039 like, Okay, we've seen what a big developer can do with a superhero 881 00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:59,159 character when our when is Marvel gonna kind of get that? And we never 882 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,239 really did. It took kind of longer than I thought it really did. 883 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,920 It tied up perfectly with the PS four, but you just thought it would 884 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,840 have been almost immediate, right of, look what they're doing, we gotta 885 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,440 do this, yeah, because Avengers is what twenty twelve and then it wasn't 886 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,360 until twenty eighteen that this game. Yeah, like you would even think like 887 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,199 just how huge those early phase of the Marvel stuff would be, that that 888 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,840 would have spawned those games a lot quicker. And don't you talk about the 889 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,880 other ones like Batman Arkham is like twenty two thousand and eight, two thousand 890 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,679 and nine, like it's very early on good point. Yeah, so it's 891 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,239 like why yeah. So so for me that was like finally years of untapped 892 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:37,119 potential like realized. And I think that was one It tied perfectly with our 893 00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,079 podcast because we had just started not too long ago, and which is a 894 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:43,760 hype thing. Most of us were Spiderman fans, and I think it just 895 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,119 that delivered on the Okay, they're making new games. They're making the revitalized 896 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,239 game that was the because there wasn't rumors of that beforehand, right like no 897 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,159 one had known, Okay, there's a Spider Man PS exclusive game coming out, 898 00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,760 So I think that delivered on that PS four era of like the hype 899 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,440 surprise and it actually delivering. I don't think anyone's gonna say that Spider Man 900 00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,840 is like the greatest game of all time, but I think it met like 901 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,679 it checked all the boxes everyone wanted and that's all it needed to do. 902 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,559 And I think the sequels have had, even the second one has had the 903 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,239 big debate of like, oh, you know, it's smaller, and it's 904 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:22,119 like it was it a fault worthy fall up sequel. It's tough because they 905 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,360 I think the only things they could ever change from that game the other ones 906 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,079 are just story stuff because all the stuff you want to do is Spider Man. 907 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,960 It's you kind of they kind of nailed the gate right, so there's 908 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,000 not much you could really build upon where that was the advantage that Batman did 909 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,039 have, where Okay, it starts in a prison and then we're gonna go 910 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:38,119 to goth Or, We're gonna go to a bigger city. Then we're gonna 911 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,840 go to goth and we're gonna do Batmobile, Like there was some things they 912 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,679 held back where Spider Man, to their credit, they kind of gave you 913 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,800 the whole kin kaboodle out, you know, and that's where it's just like, 914 00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,760 I don't know if they'll ever really live up. That's why I like 915 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,639 to that idea of the Spider Man multiplayer game because I thought, Okay, 916 00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:58,039 you can't really maybe be as good as that first game, but this is 917 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,639 something different, and the third one we'll see because there's some new things they'll 918 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,719 introducing, but I think you can just kind of just do variations of the 919 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,000 great thing you created, other than the story, because both games I think 920 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,039 have had story issues and I think they just haven't tieden those up and it's 921 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,119 gonna be what it's gonna be. But I think that game was just the 922 00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:16,039 ultimate kind of hype thing and it was I think the I think it did 923 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,679 propel tons of people, Like if you're I don't know if it will make 924 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,119 our top five list, but if you were to make games that were the 925 00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:24,920 top five, like what push that console? I think that was the best 926 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,760 selling, right that or God of War were the top four exclusive selling games. 927 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,199 Yeah, and even if it's not the game, just the consoles alone, 928 00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:35,119 I feel like that made a lot of mainstream people go, oh, 929 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,760 I gotta get a PlayStation taylor Field almost what I want to say after trying 930 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,719 the game. So I think for the history of the PS four, that 931 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,400 was a huge landmark for them. And now that we're four years removed from 932 00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:51,480 Miles Moralest, where where does that sit with your with you these days? 933 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,199 I think it's the same. I probably like the sequel a bit more like 934 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,360 Experiment two more because obviously it's longer, bigger game, but both of them 935 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,599 it sounds like a GluN for or not gunnen for punishment. But just like 936 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:06,519 I'm accepting anything but the DLC Miles the sequel. Again, they don't reinvent 937 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,119 the wheel, They're not better than the first game, but I'm always just 938 00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:13,440 down for more Spider Man and more adventures. Like I said, I feel 939 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,599 like I wouldn't I enjoyed Miles more than the second game. I think the 940 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:22,480 second game was. I am with some people that it's it's tough right because 941 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,039 it depends how you play it. But I am with some people that it 942 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,920 did feel shorter with Miles. I didn't have that because I went, oh, 943 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,880 it is just we are kind of prepped beforehand. This is a smaller 944 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,079 experience. So I think with that way, I was fine that. I 945 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,000 think it was cool time to get Miles. So I think, yeah, 946 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:38,679 that's where I am a little just easy that it was more. It was 947 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,159 a good time. I think I liked obviously the villain a bit more than 948 00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:45,400 you. But and I think it was cool for that fan base as well 949 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,960 too to get something that was just Sololy Miles, because you know, he's 950 00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,519 had a couple of big years, but he's still a newer character, right. 951 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:57,280 So but overall I still look as like a I think it's if that 952 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,559 was the only thing we had gone and I wonder how I feel about it. 953 00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:01,280 But because we experiment too, it just like, here's a nice holdover 954 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,199 til you get the main course. So yeah, it was I mean that's 955 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:07,920 a perfect kind of thing to have at a launch lineup too. Yes, 956 00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,800 that timing worked out really and that sold really well too as well at the 957 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,440 time, right on both the consoles. So yeah, what's the next one 958 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,679 that comes to your mind. Let's talk about Detroit Become Human because you brought 959 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,480 up because the reason I thought about that because you said the games that I've 960 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,360 replayed, and I feel that Spider Man was a game that I did replay 961 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,360 because they had new games plus, so I did do that and Detroit Become 962 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,599 human for the obvious reasons. That's why I replayed it, because I think 963 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,719 I only did it twice. Maybe I did, like, maybe I did 964 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,039 three times. One I think was a shorter one started a second play through, 965 00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:42,719 but it was like right after playing the game rather than like coming back 966 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,159 a year later. Yeah, and I think you're right where maybe I came 967 00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:47,239 back only a few months later. So in that aspect, you're right where. 968 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,199 I don't think I came back, oh, two years later. I'm 969 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,039 itching for it because I feel like, I will say, I'm excited for 970 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:54,880 the day that we're on Side Quest and you randomly dropped the ball that you've 971 00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:00,119 just replayed Detroit become human again for the third time. That would be fun. 972 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,920 That'll be Travis if he wins the lottery and has a lot of money 973 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,599 and just like, oh, hey, I want to do this, but 974 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,760 it's tough because I did replay it a little bit. But at the same 975 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,519 time, I'm actually not someone that does like to go other than Knights of 976 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,960 All Republic. I like just having the one experience and then that's kind of 977 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,199 it, or waiting a long time. And if I do wait a long 978 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,440 time, there's probably other games, like another game I'll bring up that I'll 979 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,000 replay. But no, I think that was a very fun time. I 980 00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,840 think we both had issues with certain things, and I don't think it worked 981 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,360 out as much as we want. I think we want. I think many 982 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,440 other people too, were hoping it was going to be like up there with 983 00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:36,760 the other games that he had made in the past, right, and just 984 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,519 even with the PS four generation. As far as the games we got, 985 00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:43,440 so, I feel like it's solidly in a B tier spot. It's nowhere 986 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,760 near the A tier or the stier people might even argue could be lower than 987 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,320 that. I think it all depends on the route you win, and I 988 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,840 think there's some things that work with it. But that's one that I said 989 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,599 I did replay, and it was that even then, same thing in the 990 00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:58,199 hype of that. They did a good job presenting that game. They made 991 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,480 that game look very exciting, and I think that was maybe another thing too, 992 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,760 where you and I didn't play Days Gone, so I feel like we 993 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,119 were just playing the bangers pretty much right like this, there's other ones will 994 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,480 bring up, even the Last of Us, which I know we'll talk about, 995 00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,559 like you never played the second one, but it's like that's one where 996 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,440 you go, hey, that's just not for me. But I don't think 997 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,159 you'd be like this, you'd have critiques against it, but you get why 998 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:22,039 people put it so high. Where I don't think Detroit human. I think 999 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,760 no, I've seen no one put it that high. And if they did, 1000 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,800 be like, okay, you got to sell me, like why is 1001 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,320 this as good as Spider Man or Last of Us? Right like so yeah, 1002 00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,559 but I had a good time that build up and the conversation was from 1003 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,639 when we did the actual cast, and I do like choose your own adventure 1004 00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:39,639 games, so there's some dark stuff in there, and so I think that's 1005 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:44,519 one where the concept was really cool. And I hope that that Star Wars 1006 00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,559 game that they're making does happen, because we got that trailer and heard those 1007 00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:51,440 issues and then there's just been nothing since. But no, I think that 1008 00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,159 was a fun time. Same thing of even if as a B tier, 1009 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,519 I enjoyed my time. There wasn't a complete disappoint where I felt, man, 1010 00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:00,440 I really wasted my time and money here, you know. Yeah. 1011 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,280 No, I still have that distinct memory of on the review just talking about 1012 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,360 our character's favorite moments, that kind of thing. And one of my favorite 1013 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,440 character Colm was in there was I remember the character's name is Connor, but 1014 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,679 then I can't remember what Clancy Brown's Character's name is, but that dynamic was 1015 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,039 the one that I loved. And then in your game, I think Clancy 1016 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:20,840 Brown's character had died super early on. It was awful, yeah, because 1017 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,719 he hated me and I got no nothing from him, so we had complete 1018 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,559 that and that was the fun stuff compared to that because he nothing of like 1019 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,039 this character was done for me so and he killed himself. Yeah yeah, 1020 00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:34,599 But in out of those, because there was kind of the three characters, 1021 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,199 and I just remember that the Marcus one being the kind of weaker one of 1022 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,719 the three. For men, I don't know what it was. I think 1023 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,760 I was very nostalgic and still kind of am for Heavy Rain, just because 1024 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,000 that was also a very specific time when I played that game with my cousin 1025 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,480 in high school and he was like, well, this is a cool, 1026 00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,360 weird game, and like I wasn't much of a PlayStation guy, so like, 1027 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,480 what is this is so different from me freaking playing Smash Rose Brawl on 1028 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,880 my back home, And so I feel like by maybe by the end of 1029 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,159 the Detroit it just didn't have that same feel to it, and like every 1030 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,679 in's like I've gone back to it. I wonder how I would feel about 1031 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:09,840 the story and the characters from a modern lens, But there was just somebod 1032 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,079 about the nostalgia that I couldn't escape. But yeah, Detroit is one that 1033 00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,920 I when I think back on the PS four generation and all those games that 1034 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,400 we talked about, it's always like the seventh or eighth one that comes to 1035 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,400 mind. It's never that top of mind one. But yeah, I still 1036 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,719 had some good times. I think it did some really cool stuff. I 1037 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,360 maybe wanted it to be a bit more expansive, because I remember really liking 1038 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,760 the city and the location. But then you'd like, if you had one 1039 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,880 of those more open areas, it'd be like, Okay, you're in like 1040 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,760 a park and you can go like now one street, Like it's very limited 1041 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,000 and how much you could do, which for what the game is like, 1042 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,800 that's totally what you need. But I think something like that maybe would have 1043 00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:49,599 given me a bit more to chew on perhaps, But I definitely do still 1044 00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,599 have some good memories of it, and just like the tone and the vibe 1045 00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:54,800 of it was something that was very unique. It definitely is still, I 1046 00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,360 would say unique comparing it to just some of the other games that we're talking 1047 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,840 about here and we will be talking about it took a swing and I don't 1048 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,159 know if it actually you know, it didn't hit it the greatest, but 1049 00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:07,559 it stands as far as, like you said, being different apart from the 1050 00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,239 other ones because it's not like a robot hunting game. It's not Expire man. 1051 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,280 So it's just weird to think back because that was a twenty seven twenty 1052 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,519 Okay, that was twenty eighteen. I thought it was twenty seventeen, so 1053 00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:20,599 not quite as old as I thought it was. But like since then, 1054 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,440 the studio hasn't done anything right, like just been that Star Wars game. 1055 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,599 Yeah, and I get that would probably be pretty massive, right if you're 1056 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,320 working on that, so it could be hands on deck, but I think 1057 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,840 there's been through like some issues, so maybe that's it. But yeah, 1058 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,400 hope hopefully that Stars Games does happen, because I think that that's another fun 1059 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,920 route you could take with that experience, and Knights Republic did that very well, 1060 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,880 so there's history of it. M hm, yeah, okay, let's 1061 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,960 jump to This will probably be a quick showed about, but I do want 1062 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,960 it showed out, which is Dreams and Dreams. I'm sure I never forgot 1063 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,239 about Dreams, but I wanted to shout this out because this game. Finally, 1064 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,280 I think last year, late last year did kind of close. I 1065 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,320 think you can still create stuff, but they're just like done adding new content 1066 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,480 or supporting it anymore, like thank supporting it. Yeah, yeah, you 1067 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,599 can still, yeah, make make things and release things. But I think 1068 00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,239 even last year, maybe it was the year before at this point, Medium 1069 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:19,239 Molecule like made a game within Dreams that I heard was actually really good, 1070 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,360 and I meant to go check it out, but it's like I'm just not 1071 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,880 on my PS four these days, so I never got around to it. 1072 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,480 I'm sure I have to update and how to get my controllers SYNCD and dust 1073 00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:29,519 you know, dust off the costs, all that kind of thing, but 1074 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000 it's a game I definitely want to go back to, because I'm sure there's 1075 00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:35,079 some other cool things that exist in there. I think it's just it's it's 1076 00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:37,400 one of those things that man, that game took way too long in development, 1077 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,079 and they probably stuck with it a bit too long, and it's it's 1078 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,519 too bad because I I think it not that we need another little, big 1079 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:45,880 penet from them, but I'm curious what that team will do next. I 1080 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,000 think quite a few people have maybe left the studio since then, so I 1081 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,719 don't know what the future Media Molecule is. I'm fearful for the future of 1082 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:55,599 them, honestly, just with the state of things right now. But I 1083 00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,079 hope they get through it in a big way, uh, in a good 1084 00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:00,880 way as well. And yeah, so Dreams was just such an interesting game, 1085 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,880 and even if it didn't live up to the dream of what it seemed 1086 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,719 like it was, I'm still very glad I picked it up and messed around 1087 01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:09,559 with it. And that was a game that I definitely stuck with for like 1088 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:14,000 a few weeks or a few months of just like checking it out everyone and 1089 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,599 now see what's kind of new in there. And yeah, it's been quite 1090 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:19,239 a few years now since I have done that, but shout outs to Dreams 1091 01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,599 for being just this weird experiment, And that's the kind of thing that I 1092 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:27,079 feel like. The PS four generation was so good from the Sony perspective of 1093 01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,960 like letting this team make this really weird experimental thing and giving them however much 1094 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,719 money it took to develop that game, because it took so many years, 1095 01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:37,000 and like, that's the kind of thing that I just feel like would not 1096 01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:40,000 get green letting out because probably for good reason to some except but I'm still 1097 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,800 glad that game exists and got to shine for even if it didn't shine that 1098 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,239 bright for very long, it still got a bit of a time. But 1099 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840 yeah, I still remember how weird those trailers were, and that was also 1100 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,559 a fun thing with the marketing cycle, almost like death Strandy, but in 1101 01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:57,960 like a different way where just like what the hell is this game? And 1102 01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,239 didn't understand it until the day it came out and I picked it up on 1103 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,280 a whim. But yeah, shout out to Dreams. Yeah we should do 1104 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,599 maybe jot that down for a topic some in the future of games of that 1105 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,280 era that don't have to be a disappointment but didn't live up to the hypeshere, 1106 01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:15,719 like Dreams in that same category of No Man's Sky right of maybe then 1107 01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:17,679 should became a great a great game, and it got a fan base and 1108 01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:22,360 everything. But I think in that era of getting those games that were big 1109 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:27,239 and delivered, when you didn't deliver, you became kind of like a laughing 1110 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,079 stock meme for a little bit, right, and then you had to do 1111 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,079 the comeback story, and if you didn't come backstory, you died. But 1112 01:01:31,239 --> 01:01:35,599 almost like what I was talking about the beginning with the games and movies sharing 1113 01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:37,880 that decade, the same way we talked about a whole time where there's certain 1114 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,119 things now in Hollywood that won't get green light green lip now, right, 1115 01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:45,360 And I guess because the other think we don't talk about too in the story 1116 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,800 of the four with PS five happens in the pandemic era, right where a 1117 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,719 lot of that stuff messed up people as far as I get to work from 1118 01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:53,639 home, but there's only so much you could do. So yeah, I 1119 01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:58,800 think that falls in that category where I'm excited to see. I think it's 1120 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,599 gonna be something that I read listracy podcast people. If they make a top 1121 01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:06,199 ten, it's always gonna sneak in like that nine or tenth surf because there's 1122 01:02:06,239 --> 01:02:08,199 like a heart felt spot to it. But I agree with you as the 1123 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,480 length, right, because I think they announced in the PS three or or 1124 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:14,400 something around that time or near the end of it, where it felt like 1125 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,639 it was cooking for a long time, and then when it got there and 1126 01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:19,840 the narrative I membror was just like, oh, well, you build your 1127 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,760 own game, Everyone's like, well, I don't want to build my own 1128 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,079 game like you're supposed to, like you know, And then I think people 1129 01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:28,280 eventually got what and I've still never played by like the vibe either changed or 1130 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,199 the people that like that found it. But maybe it was just like you 1131 01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:35,320 said, the audience of what was wanting that game was not as big as 1132 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,000 support what PlayStation would want, which is great because I think they were way 1133 01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,559 like that was PS three, they were known as like the indie darlings, 1134 01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:44,719 right PlayStation. I'm not saying Dreams was that, but they had a whole 1135 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,960 different vibe where now it's definitely way more corporate, which I understand, right, 1136 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,239 because when it's not corporate, you can argue that's when people get laid 1137 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,159 off and developers and studios get shut down, right, Because it is now 1138 01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:59,280 if you don't make money now, you can be in big risk of hurting 1139 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,039 the company. So yeah, yeah, I know they had a ton of 1140 01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:05,719 games in that generation that were like, you know, thirty Bucks or something, 1141 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,000 and it was like this indie game that was maybe not first party, 1142 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:12,039 but some of them were. They had some smaller teams in their portfolio, 1143 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,159 but a lot of them were like second party stuff where they would just kind 1144 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:17,199 of get them as these exclusive games. And yeah, I feel like we're 1145 01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:21,360 probably still seeing a lot of that, but it's it's maybe more of them 1146 01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,039 working closely with PlayStation and then just like getting a paycheck to do a little 1147 01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:27,960 bit of exclusivity there, and it still just makes a lot more sense for 1148 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,280 any indie studio. I guess you'd probably go to Switch first as your console 1149 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,199 of choice if you want to get an audience, but then you'd go to 1150 01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:36,960 PlayStation. The next box is like way down the list just because of like 1151 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:42,519 the install base and because a lot of people on that in that ecosystem are 1152 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,800 you know, prime to not buy games anymore because they just you know, 1153 01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,320 use game pass. I'm one of those people. I still buy games, 1154 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,559 but I definitely don't buy as many as I maybe would have otherwise. I 1155 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,039 feel like I was gonna make another point with Dreams, but I can't remember 1156 01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:58,599 what it was. So why don't you take away? What's that? What's 1157 01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:00,840 the next game? You want to shout out here? All? Should we 1158 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,920 just talk about the I feel like the one that we talk about hype, 1159 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,079 there's Spider Man, but there's no moment I think they'll be as great as 1160 01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:12,159 when we got that trailer TIS or whatever. It's a reveal for desk stranding. 1161 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,599 That was absolutely that was a Pinnacle point. I feel like that sold 1162 01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:17,440 you on a console that sold you know well. I don't think Briggs ever 1163 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:23,719 bought that PS four, but Briggs was thinking about it every thing, like 1164 01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,320 oh, I'm gonna go there, And I think that was when where you 1165 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,960 talk about Horizon and stuff. Yes, that shows all we're gonna do something 1166 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,880 new. But that was like, okay, no consoles doing that right, 1167 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:38,440 because maybe you could buy, oh, Xbox might do a futuristic dinosaur combat 1168 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,079 game whatever, like all the other games. PlayStation was do Eing Detroit Become 1169 01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:43,239 Human. You go, okay, maybe they could link up with somebody. 1170 01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:46,360 That is what when I talk about they had that in PS four when we 1171 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:51,199 talk about they had just that narrative and what you you knew what PlayStation was 1172 01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,159 when you said that name. I think des Stranding kind of define that because 1173 01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,079 same thing. Luckily it was a big enough of a hit, but it's 1174 01:04:58,119 --> 01:05:00,280 the same thing. And if it wasn't Kadge, it's a game that nowadays, 1175 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,239 I don't know if would be taking the chance on right because the marketing 1176 01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,639 was so weird and so out there. And I guess I shouldn't say because 1177 01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:11,079 it had celebrities, but it was just even I think more so the game, 1178 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:13,880 not so much the lead up, because maybe I'll change my thoughts. 1179 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,400 It was not the lead up because I think they marketed it well. They 1180 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,039 had all the big starts, but to make that game that at times is 1181 01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:21,840 just like a walking stimulator for many times you're doing nothing but just enjoying the 1182 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:28,800 environment. When we live in a day and age where like like online games 1183 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,079 and Fortnite and Call Duty or just like all those shooters, like all these 1184 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,679 things that you live in a very fast paced world, deaf Stranding is the 1185 01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:41,760 antithesis of what this generation isn't. So that's very exciting and I think that's 1186 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,840 for me It's tough for me because there's probably now exclusive we'll bring up that 1187 01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,239 I do associate the PlayStation with. But really, when I think of PS 1188 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,800 four, death Stranding is the first thing I jumped to, right, and 1189 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,119 that's where I you know, I'm sorry for the piece for people, but 1190 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:58,440 I self should like that death Stranding too is just PS five because one it 1191 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,519 won't be held back, but two we'll have that distinct difference. And I 1192 01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:04,760 think, unlike Horizon and even like Spider Man, I feel like Todale was 1193 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,199 not going to make a sequel where there's not a distinct difference. I think 1194 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,800 we already saw that with that first trade. There were went, okay, 1195 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:15,199 this already feels like something different than def stranding. So to me, that 1196 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,800 was the idea of Spider Man was a dream realized, but that was okay. 1197 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,360 I didn't even this was a nightmare in a good way realized, didn't 1198 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,599 even know this was a thing. And also for many people like Kirkland, 1199 01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,320 he eventually played. It didn't finish, of course, but there was a 1200 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,159 big attentions of those pt people right that were felt very robbed and that wasn't 1201 01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:36,760 this but still was just like a and it was a big salvatory moment too, 1202 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:41,159 because remember I forgot that was right before we still were in the podcast 1203 01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:44,480 when you had those things, because I remember I played middle Year Soult fan 1204 01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,719 of Pain, and I talked about on the podcast that was in the years 1205 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:49,639 where like Konami wouldn't let him go except an award and stuff, right, 1206 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,880 So it was like Spider Man in a different way. We were sealvatory for 1207 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,360 like the game industry. It was like, Oh, this guy that has 1208 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,880 made a lot of great games, now at the end of his jaw is 1209 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,440 ten, you're been treated like trash. He comes over to PlayStation and makes 1210 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:08,639 this very crazy, very different sort of game. So that just felt like 1211 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,239 a huge, just touchdown home run, especially the trailer. But I think 1212 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,480 when I remember specifically it switched and showed Norman Retas, that was like this 1213 01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:20,960 collective of oh, they're doing the thing that's where Spiderman, that they're like 1214 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,400 the dream makers. So ill such a unique game. That game, even 1215 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,960 if the sequel does disappoint me, that for me, on like Horizon, 1216 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,199 I don't think it will take down my experience of Death Stranding one. I 1217 01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:33,960 think with Death Straining two, it could be all they took a big swing 1218 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,960 and they missed it here where Horizon was Okay, this is more of the 1219 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,719 same, and I didn't enjoy it to the same extent as the last time. 1220 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,559 I don't think anything can ruin my Death Stranding one experience, because that's 1221 01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,360 something and that's something very special. So that's what I associate the PS four 1222 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:54,119 with. Yeah, definitely, I mean there was just something uh yeah, 1223 01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:58,480 like every trailer and just wanting to rewatch those trailers over and over, looking 1224 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,400 at all the details and trying to figure with that hell is going on with 1225 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,719 these creatures and the baby. Like I very rarely is there a trailer that 1226 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,199 just like hits me in that way, like I feel like for Spelunky or 1227 01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:15,199 like GTA five maybe, or like Star Feeling. Some trailers I'm like, 1228 01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:16,760 Okay, I'm looking at every detail. I'm like rewind and watching them again, 1229 01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:19,000 and Death Stranding was one of those. For me. It's got to 1230 01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:23,600 be up there for like video game trailers that I've watched over and over again. 1231 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,359 Trailers in general, to me, do you show movies that's like, 1232 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,479 uh yeah, maybe we should do that on Brandon Better Top ten trailers in 1233 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,880 general, because that to me, like the anticipation the music, because remember 1234 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,279 it's like a black screen. It's just like that, like it's the music 1235 01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,560 starting up. It's like that was just like and again that's why I think 1236 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,680 it just needs to make a movie, because he knows he has those sensibilities 1237 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,319 of like a comic con trailer. So oh absolutely, I mean even's it 1238 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:49,159 gets a bit more interesting now for me too, just after I've been actually 1239 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,720 going back and playing Meddle Gear Solid after all these years and seeing how cinematic 1240 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,319 those early games are and seeing like, yeah, how much he just is 1241 01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:00,640 in love with with film and camera angles and all these things. So to 1242 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,520 go back and like think about what des Stranding is now kind of playing it 1243 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,920 and reverse is really fun as well. But yeah, as you said earlier, 1244 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:12,119 like just not even knowing until launch day, until I was playing the 1245 01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:14,920 game, and probably not even for a few hours in because the first like 1246 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,600 three hours are like all cut scenes, not even knowing what the gameplay was, 1247 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,520 what the minute to minute stuff was. And I watched different things, 1248 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,800 and I remember at one point kind of close to launch, I think they 1249 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,199 did like a fifteen minute longer gameplay thing and I only watched like a snippet 1250 01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,760 of it because I wanted to be surprised, But yeah, it's still is 1251 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,239 a game that I've never played a game quite like it. In terms of 1252 01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:35,399 the gameplay, Yes, there is, you can have guns, and it 1253 01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:39,560 could be a third person shooter, and it's kind of like other stealth games 1254 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,880 you've played. But then yeah, just like this management aspect to it, 1255 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,439 He's like, you never see that kind of gameplay from a triple A level 1256 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,199 studio with this kind of fidelity. Usually that's like maybe an indie game is 1257 01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:53,119 like focusing so much on like what it's like to carry equipment around. But 1258 01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:55,680 I was like, no, this is like this huge budget game that took 1259 01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,720 what is maybe this kind of very simple gameplay but then like cranking it up 1260 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,720 a notch and adding so many cool things on top of it that yeah, 1261 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,239 I'll like forever be a Death Stranding fan. That's a game that, just 1262 01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:09,079 like Age is like a fine wine for me and some of these other games 1263 01:10:09,079 --> 01:10:12,520 like Detroit or Horizon or maybe I'm like, I don't know, the love 1264 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,199 kind of slowly fades away as time passes on Death Stranding, and my love 1265 01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:19,119 just grows, and I'm sure the I'm sure the sequel will be something weird 1266 01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:23,119 and different, and it will be better in some ways and worse in other 1267 01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:26,439 ways. But yeah, I think it'll just be adding to that greater world 1268 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,479 of this. This such a strange ip that I just can't get enough of. 1269 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,760 And the actor, yeah, the actor reveals all the trailers were so 1270 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,800 exciting as well. Yeah, remember we got mad Michelson, Like that wasn't 1271 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,239 the call, that wasn't the three to one, but that was downline that 1272 01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:42,600 was in the era of us all coming off Hannibal he was and other stuff, 1273 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,840 and it was just felt like like Spider Man and that that like all 1274 01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,119 these are like the geet first games, like they're made for us there. 1275 01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:56,199 So yeah, shout outs to Death Stranding. Let's see, how about we 1276 01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:58,560 let's take a quick break. Actually, we'll be right back and we'll get 1277 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:04,840 into more PS four. Goodness, okay, we are back. Next up, 1278 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:11,159 I want to shout out the next kind of combo of games that to 1279 01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:14,960 me is similar but opposite to how I feel about Horizon and the Spider Man 1280 01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:17,520 duo, which is the god of war games. So I think it was 1281 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,439 also twenty eighteen, which now think of back in on Man Detroit, Spider 1282 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,359 Man and God of War. They could have held back a bit, they 1283 01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,359 could have they went hard. But yeah, having that that game come out 1284 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,000 and I didn't play it at launch, even though all those tragglers were great, 1285 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,319 there was another fun hype cycle to watch and I just love that snowy 1286 01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:36,279 setting of those giants and like, man, what is this tone? This 1287 01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:41,239 is so different from those very Arcadie early games. But yeah, finally when 1288 01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:44,319 doing the retro kind of leading into the second game, finally playing through that 1289 01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:48,199 game and like not loving it that much. Like the game played for me, 1290 01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,920 the level design was not doing it, and like the Puzzles story was 1291 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,920 like pretty good, but that was kind of the one thing I was clinging 1292 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,239 onto. But I had that second effect where God of War Ragnarok just like 1293 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,840 dialed everything up to another level. The gameplay I had a lot more variety 1294 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,199 to it, the areas and locations were more iconic. I didn't love the 1295 01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:09,840 Puzzles still, but it just like overall the gameplay of it was much better, 1296 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,520 and then the story was just like I'm gonna say four to five times 1297 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,199 better. It's very random metric, but it just so good. The characters, 1298 01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:18,680 the acting, and the amount of stuff that was going on it was 1299 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,159 I think a bit longer too, so you got to steep in some of 1300 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:26,159 these things more, some really great iconic moments I still remember, and I 1301 01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:28,800 know you still haven't got around to Ragroong, So we kind of maybe opposite 1302 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,359 the effectives here because I know you love twenty eighteen, but yeah, how 1303 01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:33,239 do you how do you feel about that now that it's been yeah, six 1304 01:12:33,319 --> 01:12:36,000 years since you've played that one. Yeah, that's a different one because yeah, 1305 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,199 the sequel, there's another one too. When you talk about games that, 1306 01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:43,319 hey you gotta play that, Yeah, well watch like and that's the 1307 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,720 thing where it's on my list. So that's the thing where a hey if' 1308 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,039 sun elm ring that could be up there, because especially nowadays, I feel 1309 01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:50,640 like there's probably some cheap sales. That's a good thing about the PlayStation games. 1310 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,039 Eventually, once they're around for like three years, they're you know, 1311 01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:58,279 I think sarahs has I think he. I think he actually bought like my 1312 01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:00,000 PS four copy off me, So you could probably that and then just like, 1313 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,680 hey, the ten dollars fee to get the upgrade version or just play 1314 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,319 that version of your Yeah, I'm sure it plays pretty well, so yeah, 1315 01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:10,159 it's true. So yeah, that game for me. I I've said 1316 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:13,720 this manytime in all podcasts like despite you know, we were talking about the 1317 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,840 Gauntlet on the Originals and check out our discord was fun reminiscing about that. 1318 01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:19,479 But like, I don't like like the the browie genre things. I'm not 1319 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,680 a car guy. I'm not the most sports you know, so that's where 1320 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,600 God a War those original games always fell in that genre of like this and 1321 01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,359 it's weird because I like professional wrest and I just see this big jacked up 1322 01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:32,560 guy with the naked grub just like I don't know, like this is this 1323 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,359 is kind of tacking. I mean it just it just wasn't my and I 1324 01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,399 played the games, but I never finished anything. I just not for me. 1325 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,000 I have other games that interest me. So that is just it's still 1326 01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,880 talking about def stranding as the ultimate way to advertise game. That is like 1327 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,520 the ultimate way to me to revitalize a franchise, because I won't say the 1328 01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:55,239 franchise was dead, but it felt very much not that no one cared. 1329 01:13:55,239 --> 01:14:00,000 It just felt like he was a weird spot of kind of like unfortunately, 1330 01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:01,279 I thought they're gonna do with Halo, and even with Gears, you get 1331 01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:03,479 to point where it's like, what more can you do with it? Right? 1332 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,560 And we kind of get that even with Mario every once in a while. 1333 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,439 But then they put out some new version of the game and go, 1334 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,960 oh, they figured out a way to crack the code or there's this new 1335 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,119 gimmick to it where it's tough with something it's like a Halo And it got 1336 01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:17,960 where like, how do you revitalize this hacking slash just very kind of just 1337 01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,239 beasty type of game, right, But they found a way where one it 1338 01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:25,960 wasn't hacking slash. You still got to keep those aspects of you are hacking 1339 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,439 slashing, but it's a different kind of combat system. In two, it 1340 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,560 did the one eighty of Okay, this is a very just gatorade, you 1341 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,720 know, Vin Diesel filled like you're just gonna love action movie too. It 1342 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:40,079 got like the logan treatment of we're gonna slow it down, We're gonna take 1343 01:14:40,119 --> 01:14:43,000 our time and tell a big story and it's gonna be a lot more somber 1344 01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:45,680 and funny enough somehow like it's maybe if it came out with this generation, 1345 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,560 you get a bunch of oh, it's woke and whatnot, but it just 1346 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:53,560 like captured all the same still fans and then brought on new ones. So 1347 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,239 to me, it's a game that and the sequel just came out at a 1348 01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,359 bad time. It's one of those like I love the game, but I 1349 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,319 same thing thought like oh do I not that I do I need more? 1350 01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:05,119 But it's almost like the Horizon thing of like it's just gonna be a bit 1351 01:15:05,159 --> 01:15:09,439 more the same and I've already felt filled enough. So for me, it's 1352 01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,800 like a thing where I thought, Okay, I'll get to it avention and 1353 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,359 then I've heard great things about it again, so it will be on the 1354 01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:16,560 list. But for me it's just the peak of how do you? And 1355 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,359 maybe that's another topic two one day of revitalization and games, but that to 1356 01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:24,720 me is it's not the top one. It's the top three as far as 1357 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,960 like bringing back a franchise fresh coat of paint and working to a big degree. 1358 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,840 And yeah, I had a great time with it. I agree with 1359 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,680 you. The settings nice, I love the characters and for me, just 1360 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:39,520 as usual that acts is very satisfying. The gameplay with it, the mechanics 1361 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,439 so very very fun time and just another landmark period for them, because I 1362 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,600 think that was again touching back to Okay, if you used to love Sony, 1363 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,720 we're not leaving in the waistside, right, So yeah, definitely, 1364 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,880 next up, let's jump over to Ghost of Tsushima. So I think this 1365 01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:01,239 was really one of the last ones in terms of what we're talking about here, 1366 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:06,039 in terms of like that strictly PS four generation. I'm trying to well, 1367 01:16:06,079 --> 01:16:11,239 I guess Last Us Part two would have come out after afterwards. Now 1368 01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,239 now I'm testing my calendar skills here. I think Last of Us too was 1369 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,640 after go. So I think they were in the same summer though, right, 1370 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,000 the same the same thing. They were pretty close. I want to 1371 01:16:24,039 --> 01:16:26,279 say here, I'll do something. I feel like Ghosts was like in the 1372 01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:29,960 June era and Last of Us was like in the August September era. I 1373 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,520 could be wrong. I just remember being a hot summer and playing them both. 1374 01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:41,119 Yeah, let's see, yeah, June for Last of Us and then 1375 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,399 oh so maybe it's flipped actually June and the July. Wow, were they 1376 01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,720 really that close? Yeah, I guess they were. That's actually crazy. 1377 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:54,079 I definitely, I definitely don't remember that being that close. No, I 1378 01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:57,520 remember being close, but not that close, but that that's incredible, so 1379 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,439 that that you're right though, that's really is like as far as the big 1380 01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,159 tier titles, when the last, if not the last one for the PlayStation 1381 01:17:03,279 --> 01:17:06,640 five so or places four. Yeah, I know I've been doing it too. 1382 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,600 Yeah. Yeah. Ghost is a weird one as well, where the 1383 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,680 first couple of trailers that we got to those iconic E three presentations were really 1384 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,960 atmospheric. Obviously the visuals really stood out, but it's like what is this 1385 01:17:19,079 --> 01:17:21,920 game the first couple of times, and then eventually we saw a little bit 1386 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,159 more and like, Okay, we're seeing the action of this, but like, 1387 01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,680 I still don't really know what the structure of this game is. And 1388 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,000 then I do have the distinct memory of like a couple of weeks or maybe 1389 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,920 it was a month before launch, they had like a fifteen minute state of 1390 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,319 play where it's just like here's here's the rundown, here's how this game works. 1391 01:17:36,359 --> 01:17:38,920 And that's where we saw like, oh, okay, it's got the 1392 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,520 open world structure, you got this map. You know, it's you're going 1393 01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,600 for your icons. You got the wind that's chasing into these different icons instead 1394 01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,000 of this classic you know line on the map sort of thing, and that's 1395 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,479 when it's like, Okay, I finally see what this game is, and 1396 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,520 so it may be is something that we've kind of seen before, but still 1397 01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,920 like that setting of it. The visuals were fantastic. But then yeah, 1398 01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,000 I just the gameplay is what did it for me so much. I just 1399 01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:06,920 that combat system is so good, the variety, the different stances, all 1400 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,880 the different unlocks for it, and then even just like how it evolved over 1401 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,960 time, a similar situation as Horizon or Spider Man where I didn't really love 1402 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,279 the Ekey Island DLC. But Legends was an amazing update and that came out 1403 01:18:19,359 --> 01:18:23,119 so soon after launch, I remember, and it was a surprise. We 1404 01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,239 didn't know about it before launch, and it was like, here's this online 1405 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:29,640 mode that we're putting out there. Check it out. It's free, go 1406 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,680 check it out. Why not? And then it was just amazing to me. 1407 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,199 You played a ton of that, and I didn't want to go back. 1408 01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:35,640 Every once in a while, I'm like, man, I want to 1409 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,079 go back and play some more Legends because it was so good, just all 1410 01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:42,560 the different modes, the leveling up, the different classes, and then eventually 1411 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,960 they added like the costumes, from like different PlayStation characters too, right, 1412 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,600 I remember that was a fun thing. So yeah, I look back on 1413 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:53,000 my time with Ghost's Shima very fondly, even if that DLC didn't less seriously 1414 01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:56,960 a sour note, but it didn't really enhance my experience beyond like how much 1415 01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,119 I love that Bass game, I suppose, so it felt weird to kind 1416 01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:00,439 of come back to it and not really be blown away. But yeah, 1417 01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,760 that that game is just amazing. Yeah, for me, it's one of 1418 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,640 those things where we talk about this like you brought Assassin's Screed you can name, 1419 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,439 and Watchdogs, you can name, all these different kind of third world 1420 01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,760 games that like a Jedi phone order that have happened, yeah, a third 1421 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,079 person yeah, third person kind of open world games that have happened since the 1422 01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:21,720 start of you in the PS four and then up to the end of it. 1423 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,800 Right, But this, to me was the degree of doing all those 1424 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:30,479 things to other than probably what people might argue with Zelda to the best degree, 1425 01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,239 because Zelda has different things going on with Breath the while, but in 1426 01:19:33,359 --> 01:19:36,680 the generation that's not a Nintendo or the consoles that aren't, I feel like 1427 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,000 it's all those things that you want smoothened or straight that you talk about the 1428 01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:43,960 clunky gameplay, maybe it's some of those ubisaft things. You weren't getting that 1429 01:19:44,079 --> 01:19:45,600 here right, And that's one thing that this game did too as well. 1430 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,479 It was just the atmosphere, you know, I talked about how we want 1431 01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,000 to jump back in Ell Ring. That's one of the things I love. 1432 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,279 It's just the atmosphere of that world, right Like the second you see a 1433 01:19:54,319 --> 01:19:57,680 screenshot, it takes you right back to Okay, I know where I was. 1434 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,439 We're even horizon. I get them like a little bit, but not 1435 01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,079 as much were ghost just whether it was the music, whether it was the 1436 01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:06,319 tone, the vibe, the colors, you get brought back right away. 1437 01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:10,399 Same thing like I'm never gonna forget in legends that like Boat mat that we 1438 01:20:10,399 --> 01:20:13,079 go all the time where there's like a sunken boat and you got that's one 1439 01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:15,399 of the spots you gotta defend. And there's lots of iconography like that. 1440 01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,039 So again, I don't think it's like one of the all time greatest games, 1441 01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,800 and even PS five, I'm not sure maybe will be a listening it 1442 01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,800 won't be, but I think it just did a lot of things very very 1443 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,239 well, and yeah, that's the narrative too. I always remember is just 1444 01:20:29,359 --> 01:20:31,920 the we had like the anti build up because it looked pretty. But I 1445 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,520 remember you and me were very I think Tyler and Liam were really hyped on, 1446 01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,840 but you were like, I don't know, like what they like. 1447 01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:41,680 It looks nice, but whatever the s And I feel like since then, 1448 01:20:42,079 --> 01:20:45,000 I've seen a lot of games that come out that have that Ninja Samurai asthetic 1449 01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:48,079 that end up maybe being good, but still have not hit the barometer of 1450 01:20:48,079 --> 01:20:51,439 what came out just a few weeks ago, right, Yeah, and I 1451 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,479 feel like it's that two point zero or something. Yeah, and I just 1452 01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,720 feel like the conversation goes away quickly where ghosts, I feel like that's stuck 1453 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,479 around for a bit. So yeah, very they're kinda pivot from that studio 1454 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,880 too, Maybe not as big of a pivot as kill Zone to Horizon. 1455 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,920 I don't know if that would be as big as what was there. Infamous 1456 01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:11,199 would have been their game. I feel like kill Zone Horizons probably bigger, 1457 01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,680 right, because at least Infamous is like third person type. There's some some 1458 01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,920 movements that'd be similar. You kind of have a vertical slice. Oh, 1459 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,520 we've been here before, but it kill Zone. That's something completely else, 1460 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:26,239 you know, mm hmmmm. I had two down in here for you in 1461 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:29,319 particularly of course last was Part two and then until Dawn. I don't know 1462 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:30,840 if you really associate that as a PS four game, but I think you 1463 01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:34,319 probably do. I do absolutely because it didn't. Yeah, it's going to 1464 01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:36,800 remake now. I'm sure it's been on other things now. But I feel 1465 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,800 like it was that exclusive at the time, right it is, because for 1466 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,560 me, I think that was. I'd have to look at the list, 1467 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,439 but I think that was the first PlayStation exclusive that ill because it was earlier 1468 01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:50,079 on in the generation, right, it was one of those, so I 1469 01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:53,880 feel like it was. It's something that I still really want to get into 1470 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,680 the quarry. I have the same thing that came out in a summer where 1471 01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,119 had games. Yeah, and that's why I saw that. I've heard some 1472 01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,600 multiplayer stuff, so I think maybe next year because i'd probably play them, 1473 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,359 be as me and her played a lot of Fria thirteen. And there's another 1474 01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:10,199 game i'd associate with you talk about games associated Friday thirteen, the Mad Max. 1475 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:13,920 Those are two with the PlayStation era that I and and and another one 1476 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,720 too is the uh, the Arkham Night Game, the third Batman game, 1477 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:20,439 because that was a big deal and I just remember many I took them a 1478 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:26,039 lot of sick days and many hours of just playing that to its completion. 1479 01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:28,800 But until Don, yeah, I had a fun time. That for me 1480 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,640 is a I then in a brighter spot than Detroit Become Human because I think 1481 01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:38,239 it is to choose your own adventure game, so it can have lessing less 1482 01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:41,319 return sometimes, but that one just I ended up having more fun with and 1483 01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:45,199 I had more enjoyment with overall, because I think Detroit Become Humans goes for 1484 01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:47,560 some bigger swings and then that way you can also miss. But until Don 1485 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:53,119 Ye, absolutely I won't be picking up the remastered because like unless you unless 1486 01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:55,800 you haven't played it, then I highly recommend it. But some of the 1487 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,399 changes and things, it's like, it doesn't look like I've needed this, 1488 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,279 but uh no, I think it would. It was very fun, cool 1489 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:02,640 game, and it kind of kicked off a whole studio. They've done lots 1490 01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,600 of different things that you know have worked a varying degrees or not, but 1491 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,880 definitely that one and yeah, Last of Us too, that is gonna always 1492 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,439 be my most conflicted of the PS five you can go back. That was 1493 01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,319 one of our bigger reviews because I think that game had a lot of conversation 1494 01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:20,039 points and people all over the place, and uh yeah, I remember the 1495 01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:24,239 highs and highs and loose lows that Tom sums Man is still again one of 1496 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:28,000 the greatest stories. And then Truck and that was that summer because I remember 1497 01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:30,640 with Ghost of Shima it was super hot and I just remember being like sweaty 1498 01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,680 playing that game and then going through hours and hours of being like upset with 1499 01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,960 the game, like I'm sweating, I'm playing this game. I was in 1500 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,880 a place where we didn't have central acs. I'm like, oh my god, 1501 01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,000 like and I wanted to finish it. So but it's still like a 1502 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:50,800 kind of a masterclass in the sense of many people are have it ranked as 1503 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,000 number one, and it does a lot of things that did change up stuff 1504 01:23:55,039 --> 01:23:59,279 from the first one and story wise and clearly, you know, luckily for 1505 01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:02,800 the TV shows work too, like it's like Last of Us as somehow there's 1506 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,319 been many I'd love to see what the argument is, like I feel like 1507 01:24:06,359 --> 01:24:11,079 it's either that I got a ward. What is defined PlayStation from PS four 1508 01:24:11,079 --> 01:24:14,079 to PS five on it is like, what's its biggest game, because with 1509 01:24:14,119 --> 01:24:16,520 Spider Man and Death Stranding, I couldn't say that, right, there's aspects 1510 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,720 to it Spider I can't for sales, but I just mean like it's identity. 1511 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,399 And I still like edge it to Last of Us a little bit because 1512 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:28,399 I feel like Last of Us won made them win that era at the end 1513 01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,079 and sells PS three and I feel like Last of Us too brought a lot 1514 01:24:31,079 --> 01:24:33,239 of people on and even though there were some people are negative on it, 1515 01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:36,199 tons of people loved that game as well. So it's uh, and we're 1516 01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:41,159 probably going the third one. We're not getting the multiplayer one anymore, but 1517 01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:44,439 that's probably for the best. But uh yeah, like I think that takes 1518 01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,800 a crown for that was the most anticipated of that era, what people were 1519 01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:50,960 really waiting for. It feels like a very dark Knight to Batman McGinn's or 1520 01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:56,039 endgame to Infinity War, where that first game was so huge and for me, 1521 01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:59,239 I delivered for the most part with some some kinks in there. So 1522 01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,640 yeah, that's a point because when we look at these like Horizon, Spider 1523 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,079 Man, Detroit, Death Stranding, God of War, Ghost as Human, 1524 01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:09,520 these are all kicking off new things or like you know, Spider Man's an 1525 01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,600 established character, but it's like it's the new iteration of it. And so, 1526 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,399 yeah, you're right, that is that was kind of the maybe the 1527 01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:17,520 biggest hype cycle in and of itself, just because it did have that first 1528 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,039 game and it, you know, one of those games was literally like a 1529 01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:25,600 top ten all time or just for the whole industry across the board, right, 1530 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,399 Yeah, and that's why to me, it was so big. When 1531 01:25:27,399 --> 01:25:30,600 those leaks happened, that was a massive story for weeks. You know, 1532 01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,720 that was bad for them, but that was just like that was everwhere that 1533 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,199 was being covered by everybody. That was one of the worst cases, like 1534 01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:38,319 even grand theft out of those leaks. That was big. But it's like 1535 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,840 we still don't know specific story points or so much show stuff to show where 1536 01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,359 that was just and that's where I think that shows how big that game was 1537 01:25:45,359 --> 01:25:49,159 because people were after that game trying to just take it down or just show 1538 01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:51,600 it off, and it was a it was a big story unfortunately. So 1539 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:56,800 yeah, I had a list of some other just shout outs of games that 1540 01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,640 I either played a very small small amount of or didn't play that I think 1541 01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,279 are worthy of shouting out as just big PS four games. There was the 1542 01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:06,039 other ones on your list that we haven't mentioned yet. No, I think 1543 01:26:06,039 --> 01:26:12,319 I hit it with the Man Max Batman and you know what you talked about 1544 01:26:12,359 --> 01:26:15,960 Outlast two or just sorry out Last two to because I'm always gonna think about 1545 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,600 that's one of the first games I got on PlayStation Plus. I didn't have 1546 01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:23,079 a PS three. I'd heard about PlayStation Plus. That's when that was a 1547 01:26:23,119 --> 01:26:26,520 great service. You know, of course got eclipsed by game Pass eventually, 1548 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:30,199 but like for what it was, that was so many games that I played 1549 01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:33,119 through there that were really great and like they had great offerings and like games 1550 01:26:33,159 --> 01:26:36,800 coming out pretty close to release and sometimes even the same time as released. 1551 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,640 Yeah, and you know what a mini shout out to war Zone because war 1552 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,399 Zone that's where called duty because that's like, yeah, I ended up getting 1553 01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,079 back into call duty in the PS four era, which was not really planned. 1554 01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:51,159 Is free They all try because you know, Buck Taylor and whatnot and 1555 01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:56,560 uh and and another thing just not like to be general, but just games 1556 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,680 in general. Because of that, and there's other things when I had to 1557 01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,159 scroll through and find some stuff in the Gauntlet videos like ps. That always 1558 01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:05,640 jumps to mind too is lots of just multiplayer games and stuff of just downloading 1559 01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:09,560 random games. So that's the thing I associated to. It's just that era 1560 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,239 of us in the Custardome just be in there for hours and recordings. But 1561 01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:15,279 yeah, I think those are the main non exclusive ones. If I think 1562 01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:17,640 of any, I'll bring them up. I think I hit that's and I 1563 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,439 guess kind of the shadow of war games a bit like I don't associate them, 1564 01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,039 but like I played a lot of those on there, so mm hmm, 1565 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:28,479 okay, so some shout outs. PT of course, of course is 1566 01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,119 a big deal. Of course, not an official game. You can't go 1567 01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:33,399 play it nowadays, so it's a weird one, going to always exist in 1568 01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:38,520 obscurity, but worthy of shout out. I think there was a new Ration 1569 01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,119 client game, if I assume there was, there was, Yeah, yeah, 1570 01:27:41,119 --> 01:27:45,560 there's exclusive. Yeah it was, Yeah, Infamous had it's I believe 1571 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,199 the sequel was. It was a new game there, Final Fantasy seven remake. 1572 01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:51,359 I remember both me and you checked out the the demo that they had, 1573 01:27:53,239 --> 01:27:55,640 which was, you know, really solid. Still have gone and played 1574 01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,399 the full game Uncharted four that was a big PS four game as well, 1575 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,159 Day's Gone. I think this is out of the ones i'm listening here, 1576 01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:05,319 Day's Gone is the biggest one where I still do really want to go and 1577 01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:09,079 check that game out, and I wonder, I'm wondering, I'm trying to 1578 01:28:09,119 --> 01:28:12,039 think back into that time why I didn't end up picking it up at launch, 1579 01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:14,640 because I feel like I was pretty hyped on it, and those trailers 1580 01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,239 were also amazing. They were in that same ballgame as the rest of these 1581 01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:20,000 other big games that we're talking about, ebe on like a slightly lower tier, 1582 01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:23,279 but I still thought some of those trailers, like that first one with 1583 01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,680 like one hundred zng he's climbing up to him in the farmhouse thing like that 1584 01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,479 was a wild scene. So I don't know why I've never actually gone gotten 1585 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:31,439 around to it yet. I think it was one of those I feel like 1586 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,319 the release date was bad time wise for us as far as like a busy 1587 01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:38,880 summer with other games and movies, and I think it was just the general 1588 01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,520 reception was kind of like it's all right, and then I think the redemption 1589 01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,840 of it came later where people it's defenders, going, no, this is 1590 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,000 really fun game. So I think it was just a coumble of man reception 1591 01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:51,039 and it came out. I just remember that summer. It was like with 1592 01:28:51,079 --> 01:28:56,079 Dick about twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen. Oh yeah, well no, that 1593 01:28:56,119 --> 01:28:58,079 was a big summer for us too. I guess too. There's tons of 1594 01:28:58,119 --> 01:29:00,920 I can't even come on the spring of so, and when did marm Alliance 1595 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,199 come out? Was that twenty nineteen? That it was July twenty nineteen. 1596 01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,960 Yes, I just feel like I just remember that and that was the the 1597 01:29:08,039 --> 01:29:10,359 end game. Like, I just feel like twenty eighteen was very busy for 1598 01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,920 us. I think that was just like I was probably still deeah because I 1599 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,079 guess if that was the timeline, then Smash just came out in December. 1600 01:29:15,119 --> 01:29:18,119 I was you were traveling too, summer, Yeah, I feel like that's 1601 01:29:18,119 --> 01:29:20,239 all I was doing. Yeah, yeah, and you were traveling as well 1602 01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:24,359 too, so I was probably away in that in that month. Actually. 1603 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:29,000 Yeah, I just remember nineteen was you know, luckily that blew up the 1604 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,680 podcast and that that gave a lot of opportunities. But I just remember nineteen 1605 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,600 being a specifically very like you're busy hereo. Yeah, So I'd like to 1606 01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:38,920 one day maybe if we ever go through a lack of content. I don't 1607 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,520 know if it's on that PlayStation catalog thing. No, they were few, 1608 01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,840 Yeah, and there's lots of beef because I remember that when the Ghost of 1609 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,439 Skushima sales hit a certain landmark and PlayStation was like giving all these accolades. 1610 01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,680 I remember the creator of the game being like, oh, we hit this 1611 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,359 a long time ago and we didn't get any accolades. So yeah, I 1612 01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:57,840 feel like it was done. I was left. I think, yeah, 1613 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,479 I don't think it was. I think it's like for them in general, 1614 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,000 looked at it as like a dark mark, which is kind of kind of 1615 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,800 weird. Yeah, other games. Hell Blade, it was at the time 1616 01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:11,920 a console exclusive. Now of course it's owned by x Bogs and its own 1617 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,760 game pass, and the sequel is I think that. I don't think the 1618 01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,399 sequel is coming to PlayStation, definitely not. I don't think so. Had 1619 01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,640 interesting to see that kind of shift over time. Persona. I think got 1620 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:25,279 a couple of big releases there in the PS four era. Order eighteen eighty 1621 01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:30,520 six is when I've never played. Always heard big things about Bloodborne is of 1622 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,840 course like huge, what's up? You've heard things about or sixty six. 1623 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:38,159 I just heard as different and interesting and like worthy of mentioned. I suppose, 1624 01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:40,119 I don't know if people would put in their top ten and maybe in 1625 01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:44,199 their top twenty with the PS four because it's such a strong console. Yeah, 1626 01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,319 Bloodborne is one I've played like five hours of it. I think I 1627 01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:49,279 just played it too soon after Dark Soul three, which was a game that 1628 01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:54,079 just blew me away and was like all I was playing for like two months 1629 01:30:54,079 --> 01:30:57,239 there with me and you know, the other boys at the Custardome there, 1630 01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,399 and so I think I just played it too soon after that, and so 1631 01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,039 I kind of bound off of it. But of course most people would put 1632 01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:04,199 that in like their top three, probably for PS four generation. It's a 1633 01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:06,520 it's a big deal, but maybe a little blind spot for us. And 1634 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,680 then what about metal Gear Solid five? What does that? What does that 1635 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,159 do for you in retrospect? Yeah, it's one of those. It's in 1636 01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:16,119 a weird spot because I really enjoyed I actually I loved it. I think 1637 01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,640 it's one of those that the hype got me at the beginning of Like I 1638 01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,439 think when we did our top ten cast, I had it in like the 1639 01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,439 bottom ten, but I was like, I don't know about that now, 1640 01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:28,760 but I think it's also shrouded with a lot of bad stuff that happened there 1641 01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,920 too, because it's one of those you're enjoying and playing it, but then 1642 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,840 the same time you hear about like this guy wants to leave this company in 1643 01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:36,239 they're holding a hostage contractually, and you're like, oh, like you feel 1644 01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:41,079 a little but like really fun game. Like if I made a PS four 1645 01:31:41,359 --> 01:31:44,159 top ten of my personal games, it would definitely be up there, even 1646 01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:51,960 included like just overall games, Mendocer Goal Metal Metal Solid Gear games all have 1647 01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,800 a special metal gear Solid I'll have a special place in my heart somewhere or 1648 01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,800 another. A lot of those are just nostaligia, but no, really really 1649 01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,239 fun game with a lot of I love. I wish there's more. We 1650 01:32:03,239 --> 01:32:06,880 talk about humor in some review, but I love the there's a dynamic where 1651 01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,600 you can kidnap people and take them back to your pace and you make them 1652 01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,600 work for you and you can strain them like, oh, I need a 1653 01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:15,199 tech guy. Oh I need a weapons guy, and I'm waiting for that 1654 01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:18,000 to be in some other games. So it sounds like a Watchdog's Legion. 1655 01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,800 Yeah, there you go, I got a reason to put that high on 1656 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:26,159 the list. Yeah. Cool, uh okay, let's we'll make our little 1657 01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:30,640 top five here of our our our top of the stack. I remembered what 1658 01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,319 I was gonna say about Dreams is I feel like Dreams if it released today 1659 01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:40,199 in like the current PlayStation ecosystem where they're more open to having things on PC 1660 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,840 and even like hell Divers too day and date PC and console, I actually 1661 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,560 feel like that would have been really good for Dreams. It's crazy that the 1662 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,119 game never did come out on PC because that would have been just such a 1663 01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:55,119 better way for people to make games a lot more efficient than like a console, 1664 01:32:55,159 --> 01:32:57,399 like using a controller, I would imagine even if the game was built 1665 01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,479 around it. But I think if it did launch day and date with PC 1666 01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,039 and console and it didn't have that kind of integration, I think it could 1667 01:33:03,079 --> 01:33:05,800 have been bigger and better than what it was. So that was what I 1668 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,399 wanted to shout out. But all to say that I don't think Dreams is 1669 01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,199 making the top five. I feel like Death Stranding has got to be in 1670 01:33:13,239 --> 01:33:15,239 there. Yeah, Ghost of Sushima has got to be in there. So 1671 01:33:15,359 --> 01:33:19,439 are we making this as our personal like you it's me and you. It's 1672 01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,920 me and you. I think, yeah, and are are we just having 1673 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,800 five? Were they ranked? As far as I go, we'll rank them. 1674 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,680 We'll get the five first and then we'll rank them. Okay, okay, 1675 01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,600 because I think stranding is pretty pretty high up there. It's got a 1676 01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:36,800 good case for Yeah, what I guess I would put Spider Man just you 1677 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,479 know, above miles and I would just put just put that one in there. 1678 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:45,520 I think. I think where we might find this difficult is God of 1679 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,800 War because I would love to see Ragnrock in there, but you would love 1680 01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,880 to see twenty eighteen in there. So we're kind of at a standstill. 1681 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:57,119 It's gonna be tricky, Yeah, I guess, because it's it's difficult because 1682 01:33:57,239 --> 01:34:00,640 we could I guess we could do the loophole of saying Ragnrock is a not 1683 01:34:00,359 --> 01:34:03,159 That's what I was gonna say, because it was in the PS that weird 1684 01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,439 era, right, But then maybe we just do that. Maybe we just 1685 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,920 do that. But then would you even put God of War? I say, 1686 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,399 have it as a contender right now, but see if there's any five 1687 01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,119 like pure PS fours, because I would have it, I think up there. 1688 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:17,600 But if there's one more we could agree on then yeah, yeah, 1689 01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,199 I mean Horizon. I think I still would put it in that talk y 1690 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:25,000 Yeah. If I if I can just take myself back to that era and 1691 01:34:25,039 --> 01:34:28,399 just be okay what I think about, then absolutely. Yeah. So that 1692 01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:30,119 that leaves us only one more spot than if we're doing a top five. 1693 01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:35,039 So one more because we got des stranding ghosts, Spider Man and Horizon ghost 1694 01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:40,960 Yeah. Yeah, so leaving us with possibilities of Detroit, the God of 1695 01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:45,439 Wars. We talked about Last of Us Part two. I guess MGS five 1696 01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,399 would be another one that we could consider. I would. I would that 1697 01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:53,319 was exclusive though I don't think was it not. No, I should have 1698 01:34:53,399 --> 01:34:55,560 said that. No, that wasn't That was at the time I think Konami 1699 01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,319 was. It was like a big deal, like, oh, Middle Gears 1700 01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:01,960 Salts coming over to place. Huh right, there's an Xbox version, right, 1701 01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,600 Yeah. The literally the first image is like an Xbox three sixty case 1702 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:11,920 with it, which is beauciate that very much with the PlayStation thing the series 1703 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,399 has been. Yeah, so that's why it was that time that and Final 1704 01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:15,960 Fantasy were going over. So it's changed. Well, that makes it easier 1705 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,800 than that's obviously not a good tender here or they of a showed up though 1706 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:23,560 as a association. So yeah, I mean, I it's weird, like 1707 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,399 I would be fine with the Last of Us sneaking in there as the other 1708 01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,239 slot because I don't care as much for twenty eighteen out of War. Yeah, 1709 01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:32,880 but I'm also fine with it just because of like, I don't know, 1710 01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,920 it's still a good game. I still like the story of it, 1711 01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:39,640 even if it's, you know, overall maybe not one of my top dogs. 1712 01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:42,359 I think those ones would make it over. Detroit is kind of what 1713 01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:45,560 I'm doing. I do too, even though like we might have a more 1714 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,560 common base on that one together. There is just something weird about having to 1715 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:54,520 like I wouldn't feel right about that. If we die in fifty years from 1716 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,159 now, if someone finds Geek first, they're going through side quests like, 1717 01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,600 oh, they put Detroit become you and in there top five blood Borne. 1718 01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,920 Ah yeah, souls fans be so mad at The only reason I would have 1719 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,239 elect God a War over Last of Us is because Last of Us two I'm 1720 01:36:09,239 --> 01:36:12,319 more positive on. But you can't deny that has not critically, but I 1721 01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:14,760 say, fan wise a big split, so you could argue, hey, 1722 01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,319 there's tons of people that might not even put in the top ten, right 1723 01:36:16,359 --> 01:36:19,800 some of those choices. And two, I feel like you can also argue 1724 01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,479 that the bigger thing for Last of Us could be Last of Us one in 1725 01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,880 the PS three, where if you're making that top five, that's a definitive 1726 01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,000 game, not saying Last of Us Part two isn't, But I feel like 1727 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:32,840 ones more definitive. We're God of War is more definitive, like we said, 1728 01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,680 in a way where it revitalized something and at least it gets you to 1729 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,600 the bridge of the game you like as well, right like two like it 1730 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,640 starts at things, and like I said, I don't know. I don't 1731 01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,640 think anyone's done a revitalization as good as what they did yet. I think 1732 01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:48,800 people have been close and they've tried it, but no one has I think 1733 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:53,079 achieved the hype and then also falling up the game, because I think it's 1734 01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:55,800 two things. Either the hype's not there and the game is really good and 1735 01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,840 underrated, or the hype is really there. And then I think Halo is 1736 01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,520 a good example of people are really exciting this could be something new and nothing 1737 01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,119 really came of it, right, They got more negative feedback than anything, 1738 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:09,479 and it didn't take the God of War products. People are just kind of 1739 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:13,119 hoping that of like, oh, maybe they'll take note for what God of 1740 01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:15,119 War did, and it didn't happen. So I I think I would put 1741 01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:18,800 God of War over Last of Us on the our top five list. I've 1742 01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:23,119 just wrote this down on my kind of random topics for sidequists. I would 1743 01:37:23,159 --> 01:37:26,319 love to go back and look at like what are the best kind of reboots 1744 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,439 or like reimaginings of a game. I think that would be interesting to take 1745 01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,399 away. Should do that, Yeah, because there's because there's not like Zelda, 1746 01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,680 But like Zelda's always been a series that is always evolving and changing, 1747 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,359 and so even when Bretha of Wild comes out, it is something different for 1748 01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,520 the series. It doesn't feel like it doesn't feel as big of a Lendmark 1749 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,239 kind of change than like God of War does, even if like on paper, 1750 01:37:45,319 --> 01:37:48,760 it technically is from like I guess Skyrid Sword. Yeah, it does 1751 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:53,399 feel distinctly different, something exactly like what is it? Maybe we'll try and 1752 01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,479 time that if either one if we have no topics, or two if we 1753 01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:00,000 ever get something about Fable, you know, because that's like, yeah, 1754 01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:01,960 that's a great potential contenders. We'll see how that game. Yeah, Like, 1755 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:06,159 I think there's a difference between a continuation of a franchise versus kind of 1756 01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:10,159 the reboots that I kind of agree with you, Riselda Mario. They're kind 1757 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,760 of in that thing where they might take a long break, but that's kind 1758 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,159 of a given, right, you're kind of, oh, they're gonna take 1759 01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:16,920 off their like off the gas where something a couple of years ago, like 1760 01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:19,680 Doom. Like, to me, that's really like, in a sense, 1761 01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:23,800 like a reboot bringing it back, redoing a big coat of paint. That's 1762 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,199 where it's like, okay, that had their verse. If I don't think 1763 01:38:26,199 --> 01:38:28,479 the hype was there at the beginning, but once the game came out, 1764 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,640 it really built up. So yeah, I definitely trot that down because I 1765 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,520 think there's fun things and we can even debate that, like what's the reboot 1766 01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:36,079 versus reimagine? But God of War definitely to me, is like a it's 1767 01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:40,039 a yeah, of course it's a sequel and they take place. But if 1768 01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:42,600 you can play a game that has nothing to do with the other ones and 1769 01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,800 kind of jump on, you're definitely in the reboot category, and that's got 1770 01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,319 a warm m. So I think with that, I mean it makes sense 1771 01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:50,960 then that God of War would be in that fifth slot because we had to 1772 01:38:51,039 --> 01:38:55,239 debate to get it on there. I'm with you. I think Death Stranding 1773 01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:58,560 for me and you, for Dylan Muss and Travis s New like Death Stranding 1774 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,760 is the number one. That game just almost completely worked for us. I 1775 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,600 know that was another divisive one like Last of Us in a way, maybe 1776 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,720 in a different way, but still divisive. Yeah, but we love the 1777 01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,239 gameplay, we love the story, we love how silly it can be at 1778 01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:15,600 times, love the horror elements of it. Like everything freaking works in that 1779 01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,560 game for me, and I just yeah, even all these years later, 1780 01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:21,039 I still love it just as much as I feel like I did then. 1781 01:39:21,159 --> 01:39:26,239 So I feel like that's a slam dunk number one for Yeah. I think 1782 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:29,000 if it was something else that we differed on, like on the review, 1783 01:39:29,039 --> 01:39:30,760 but I remember the excitement of talking about that in the lead up, So 1784 01:39:31,159 --> 01:39:34,000 I think that's summer one with a bullet So and then I kind of feel 1785 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:38,479 like Ghost of Sashima sneaks into number two for me because you have Spider Man 1786 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:43,479 and Horizon as the other ones. I think for Horizon it's definitely above it. 1787 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,640 Spider Man, it's close, but I think it's Legends that pushes it 1788 01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,399 over the top there, because that's just like offers this other kind of experience 1789 01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:54,319 with it and kind of gave me revitalization with it. But then again it's 1790 01:39:54,359 --> 01:39:58,359 just like a great open world. Love that wind mechanic once again, the 1791 01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:00,520 combat of it. And I think, you know, if we look at 1792 01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,680 Spider Man versus Ghosts, like they both kind of have maybe similar story issues 1793 01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,680 with the story is good, but it's like not the thing that's elevating that 1794 01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,239 like a death stranding like a god of war. So I think that would 1795 01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:14,560 be my number two. But I'm not offended if Spider Man takes the number 1796 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,000 two slot. How do you feel, I think you made a good point 1797 01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:18,680 of what the addition of Legends, because I think I would have pushed back 1798 01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:23,399 a little bit of a I think just for some hypeness and things. If 1799 01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:27,199 the Spider Man DLC it maybe was better than it was, maybe that would 1800 01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:29,880 it could have been the thing that pushes it back over top. Yeah, 1801 01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:31,960 So I think I and not that I'm like, oh, man, outrageous 1802 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,920 that ghosts like, I think that one's a very down the middle. Give 1803 01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:40,119 me one day to think about it. Might go each different route like ten 1804 01:40:40,199 --> 01:40:42,680 that ten times right, But I think legends agree with you. That pushes 1805 01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,479 it over the top to make that number two. So that leaves our list 1806 01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,640 that God of War number five. Horizons are done at four. Spider Man 1807 01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:53,239 twenty eighteen. Number three ghost is Streman number two, Death Stranding number one. 1808 01:40:53,239 --> 01:40:55,560 You're happy with that? Yeah, And I think that that's like a 1809 01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,920 safest I think if I ever see that, they might go like, oh, 1810 01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,520 deaf Stranding, that that would be touch on it. Yeah, But 1811 01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,760 I think that's also a game that I think people I think, like Last 1812 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,119 of Us two haters, when they see people praise that, they go, 1813 01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:09,880 how could they do that? But I think lots of people will look at 1814 01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:13,359 deak Stranding and it's divisive, but I think they always go away that oh 1815 01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:15,359 that just wasn't for me, you know, like that's the weird game. 1816 01:41:15,359 --> 01:41:18,119 But it's also like I get why people like that game, but I don't 1817 01:41:18,119 --> 01:41:20,439 were last Off. It's like, you did, this is the character, 1818 01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:24,920 you put it in this chronological orders. But I think de stranding people know. 1819 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,680 It's like, it's not like it's weird calling that a cult game, 1820 01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,079 because I feel like that's more of an independent game. But for anything that's 1821 01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:32,840 like a Triple A game, it has like a cult status in a way 1822 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:36,199 of Okay, the people that love that game really enjoy that game. Or 1823 01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:40,840 even this time ago around, I remember this trailer for two many people It's 1824 01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,359 be like I don't get it, and I'm not getting this game, you 1825 01:41:43,399 --> 01:41:45,880 know, like I still understand why people are hype for this, and I 1826 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,479 go, oh, well, you know, I'm there, So yeah, 1827 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,760 I Trevior's this was so much fun. I feel like I haven't really got 1828 01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:56,079 to rave about PlayStation A wide. It's not like playing the games, and 1829 01:41:56,119 --> 01:41:59,319 like I haven't gone back to anything recently, so it's really fun to kind 1830 01:41:59,359 --> 01:42:00,920 of be back. You know, this This puts me back a few years. 1831 01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:04,319 This takes me back to the Kolodna era of like playing some of these 1832 01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:09,840 games. So that was that was very fun discussion to have any any closing 1833 01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,600 thoughts on the PS four here, not that we could never talk about PS 1834 01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,840 four Bring whatever we want, but no, it was a fun. It 1835 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,199 was fun to dip back it was fun to look at that air because that's 1836 01:42:18,319 --> 01:42:20,920 you know, the bread and butter when podcasts for us with starting in. 1837 01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:24,960 Like I said, I don't think it's the same Like even me and kirking 1838 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,319 out the PS five, I don't know if it's that same type of I 1839 01:42:27,319 --> 01:42:30,119 don't look back at the PS five yet it is this all changing thing I 1840 01:42:30,119 --> 01:42:31,439 look at. It's like, Okay, still got great games, having a 1841 01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,560 great time. I'm happy with my purchase. It's not like, oh what 1842 01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,600 a bus not that there could be a whole others still ago to like if 1843 01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:40,560 you're buying a y plat game, like you're still gonna get it on PlayStation 1844 01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:44,560 over Xbox, right, that's kind of your yes and no. I actually 1845 01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:46,800 lean towards no, just because the space. That's why, though only purely 1846 01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:50,359 because the space because Xbox. I think I've Bonn four like Star Wars jediphone 1847 01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:54,399 order. Oh like the hard drive space you mean hard drive space is purely 1848 01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,600 just because the Xbox was bigger than the PlayStation. So that's why I went 1849 01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:59,600 that. I got Call of Duty on there, which is taking up all 1850 01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,039 that for Yes, call Duty is the big thing there. But yeah, 1851 01:43:02,079 --> 01:43:05,079 so I don't think the PS five will look back as falling because there's not 1852 01:43:05,159 --> 01:43:08,920 as defining moments like you just talked about. They have a whole year where 1853 01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,880 hey, we don't have a game coming out where that didn't happen before. 1854 01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,640 Right, So hopefully the second half, I mean, des Ryan two is 1855 01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,600 gonna be a big one for us. But will Raine and some other stuff. 1856 01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,000 This'll see. I'm sure we'll get some some good bangers here. I'm 1857 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,680 excited for Rain. Yeah, that could be what expier Man was this chang 1858 01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:24,840 because I don't think Experiment two is that. I think that was just keep 1859 01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,199 people happy, right, and it sold some more consoles, you know, 1860 01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:30,159 I get it. Yeah, Okay, yeah, thank you everyone for listening. 1861 01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:34,000 This is a very fun, kind of impromptu topic and episode. But 1862 01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:36,600 yeah, we'll be back next week as we always are. Thank you for 1863 01:43:36,600 --> 01:44:04,279 listening. We'll see again next time, but bye. Passed