Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly video game show
here at Geek. First, I'm your host Dylmas and I would need to
clown Prince of Sony Travis Noll. How are you doing, my friend?
I am doing good. Other than Monday nothing. You can do a solid
quest podcast just like a tug off air and she's like, oh my goodness,
it's hailing outside. So there you go, like, legit met the
girls are playing outside, but a half an hour and they ran and like
it's raining. But now it's like it's like hailing hard. So hopefully I
don't lose power or anything in the middle of this. So but other than
that, you know, I'm okay. Good couple of weeks, good week
though. Coming up though, you know we're gonna do this cast. Got
X Men coming up, fall Guy. Think there's some fun some fun casts
we had come so yeah, very much so, and now I'm excited for
this episode. In this one, we're gonna be talking about the PS four,
kind of a retrospective of our time with that console, and we'll explain
why we're doing that now out of all times, very random time to do
it, but we're gonna do it. Nonetheless, that should be fun.
A couple other shout outs. Make sure to join that Patreon to get episodes
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and join our discord talk to us about all these games. I released
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like the single player modes and super Smash Bros. Is a very zoomed in
thing I wanted to talk about there and that that was a fun one,
so you can go check that out. Travis, I have a big announcement
today. I have an official release date for Potion Problem. Not often will
we get to, you know, announce release dates of things for a video
game release, so it's pretty exciting. But it is coming out May twenty
first, so just a few short weeks from now. That is the side
quest twesday of that given week, the same day as Hell Blade, do
I think. So that's you know, some big competition, but hopefully a
different enough market. But if anyone's missed that somehow, Yeah, Postion Problems
is my game. You can wishless down Steam. You can go check out
the trailer, you can follow the social media things for it to get some
updates. And all that. But yeah, it's coming out very soon,
so I'm very excited to have it done. I did like the final build
of it yesterday. I did a couple of more changes and I haven't quite
exported that yet, but I've I think it's done, you know. I'm
sure once it's out people will discover some bugs and crashes and stuff and all
through those patches when they need to, but otherwise it's like, Wow,
it's the final upload. I'm sure you had a similar cathartic feeling when you
did the final kind of export of Adrenochrome too. Yeah. It's good and
scary at the same time, which is funny. We had one of our
trailers taken down today because it promotes conspiracy theories. So I gotta go to
YouTube and tell oh, this is really weird, man. This is just
a trailer for a fictional movie. But so hopefully that doesn't happen to you.
But yeah, it's a great feeling. And that's That's Emily's birthday,
so that's a good day. Right. Maybe that's all we get here.
I'll be show up with a car to be nice, little wishless to potion
problem, but no, congrats, very exciting and yeah, everyone go check
it out. Tons of fun. Love the art style and everything. So
I figured out I problem saw some stuff this day week. You know,
there's still one more thing I need to problem solve with you. But I
like the design. Not a problem with the game. It's a user error
as far as like, Okay, maybe I'm cooking something wrong here, but
that's the best part. So yeah, May twenty first, that's exciting.
Congratulations, sir, thank you. I'll also announce that we will be doing
a retrospective of hell Blade. Don't know exactly what week we're gonna release that,
but the first hell they're gonna do a retrospective of that, and then
I'll be playing the new one. And if you have time, I'm sure
you jump into if you like that first game, I don't know. I
think it's to depend it on Yeah, I think I think if I like
that first game, and I feel like I've always looked at it like it's
a traus game, So yeah, spoiler. At least I'm on it.
And that's because I've always said lately, I'm very busy, but seventy eight
hours, like, okay, I can I can put a night or two
side to complete that. So it's always looked like a Travis game and it
looks very creative. So I'm excited to sit down and talk to you about
that one. And then if I'm excited, yeah, then I would love
to dive in that second one because always I've always heard great things about it
as well. So yeah, So anyone who hasn't played that game, or
if you have, you want to replay it now, it would be a
good time to do so, and you can send any questions our way.
We'll include it in that retrospective. I'm excited. I've never never played the
game. I've been waiting until the kind of imminent release of the second one
to finally jump in there, so it'll be good time. It's up on
game Pass, easily accessible there if you're thinking about it. It's easy download
if you got PC or Xbox game Pass. So yeah, exactly. So
yeah, check that out once again. I don't know exactly what week we're
gonna do that side quest episode. Yeah chance, we record it kind of
early and it goes up on Patron nice inner, so you can check that
out as well. You already showed it up Fall Guy. Next minute.
Any other shout outs before we get no no think. So we just got
the regular just kind of retros dropping here and there, Apes and mad Max
and stuff, and there's other ones starting, but now those are the biggest
one. And next week if you're a fan of apes, that's drum but
and yeah you already mentioned patron But yeah, we just dropped all our Patronics
Schools episodes. So the X Men Fancy Cast Part two, those are always
tons of fun. So yeah, look out. And I guess I should
promote this because it is video game related to Morrow Kirkland and Tara recording their
Knuckles review if they have finished. Yes, I did write down on my
nose by fordot mention it they're planning to speaking about Kirkland had a stratum meeting,
so they had to move it to a little bit so you'll hear.
If you're a fan of Sonic, the reviews are also on the feed,
but if you're just a fan in general, they will be breaking down.
Kirkland's a big Sonic guy, you know, Sonic sucker, i'd call him,
So if you're into that, it's it's a whole binge, which I
did not know. I have to edit our calendar because I thought, oh
really, I thought it was the weekly. Interesting. Yeah, no,
it's a it was a binge, so yeah, on then I'll drop on
the on the Wednesday for the feed, So look out for that, I
hope. Because when we did specifically Halo Season one, that kind of motivated
Kirkland to go back and play some Halo games. And then on side quest
we can talk about some of that. I wonder if this will motivate him
to want to go play any Sonic stuff. And I'd be curious to see
which which games he does jump too if he's he's itching to get back in
there. Yeah, because I feel like you want to go with Knuckles,
right, because you could go with the game Knuckles introduced as the villain,
but that's you won't get that vibe or anything, you know. But I've
I've heard I think there's gonna be some interesting discussion on that cast. I
think it's not exactly what they're expecting, so I don't know if that's good
or bad. But all I heard is that Knuckles is not in it a
lot or something, so that what they're thinking of such a series. But
yeah, but sometimes those are the best reviews and we're just uh, you
know, you guys have had some good Halo ones. I'm trying to think,
is there any check out our Fall review, but is there anything else?
Few games? I feel like there's something else video game, TV,
movie show coming out soon. I don't know why I can't. I don't
know why in the summer, but that's yeah, yeah, maybe I'm just
thinking of Knuckles. But yeah, check out our Fall review. I don't
think we were talking of newscasts, but that got reviewed for a season two.
So check out our season one review and we'll be back whenever that happens.
Amazon's second biggest show of all time behind So yeah, yeah, Ring
the Powers number one. Okay, yeah, so that's cool things we like,
you know. Yeah, Okay, let's talk about the games we've been
playing. I've got two games to talk about today. First one is a
Travis I've jumped into Watchdogs too all game this. I never got this,
What inspired this? I feel like, just a couple of weeks ago,
I think it was a three person cast camera whichever one we just did you
me and Taylor. It felt like we were talking about how like Watchdogs was
just even THO there was a report this week that Watchdogs is dead, they
plan on doing nothing. So how like, how did you feel yourself watch
You know a few months ago? It honestly might have been like half a
year ago. Now it's been a while. I saw that it got dropped
on game Pass and I was like, oh, I want to I want
to jump in and check this out. Would I spend eighty dollars for absolutely
not? But game Pass is a perfect way to do that. And I've
installed it months ago and it's just been sitting there, sitting there, sitting
there, and then finally a few days ago. You know, Travis,
I always love to have a just ongoing, like open world game in my
life, Okay, one that I just like if it's a late night,
and these late nights mostly we've been doing a lot of Call of Duty,
but if we don't have that, I like just an open world game where
I can kind of my brain is half turned off and I can just roam
around do random stuff. And so I like to always have one of those.
And it felt like I don't really have one on the Ghost, so
it felt like, okay, maybe I'll jump into Watchdogs too. Finally,
and really, I have a very short history with this series, which is
that I checked out the first one either really cheap on a Steam sale or
was like maybe even a Blockbuster rental, like was that long ago, and
played it for like, I don't know, a handful of hours and then
it just like wasn't really working for me. It wasn't clicking, and so
I dropped it and then never really thought about it since. And then I
think it was more when the most recent Watchdogs, which was probably three years
ago, and I watch Watchdogs Legion, that game does look great and from
even the reviews, like I think some of the mechanics there seems like they've
really got a lot of stuff right, and I do want to go check
that one out. If that one gets out of the game Pass, I'll
go check it out. I think it's on Ubi soft Play or Plus or
whatever they call their things, so maybe that would be a way for me
to check it out in the future. But I was like, Okay,
in the meantime, let me go check out this second game here, So
that was sort of the reason for it. So yeah, once again,
it is available on game Pass, and I don't know if it'll be there
for how long. I mean, it's kind of like UBI stuff does put
some stuff in there, but I'm guessing it's usually for like maybe a year
basis and then they kind of take it off and rotate different things in there,
So not sure how long it'll be on there. But you know,
also the second I think reason I think for checking it out is, you
know, GTA six is like right on the horizon, and man, I
cannot wait for it, very excited for it, but it's like it's also
been so long since I've really just jumped in to GTA, and this feels
like GTA Light in a lot of ways, where you're just bumping around San
Francisco, just like hijacking random vehicles, doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
There's combat, you can go just run off on the side and do a
motorcycle race for half an hour if you want. You know, it's just
one of those kind of sandbox these city games. And I feel like a
lot of the open world games I've been doing recently is like I've i don't
know, played a few of the Far Cry things or even some Follout and
just playing these sort of different settings. Just going back to a city sort
of one is kind of fun and I'm yeah, not super far in it
yet, but so far it's pretty fun. I'm surprised that like the game
feel of it is actually surprisingly good. I think that's one reason why I
end up bouncing off some Ubisoft things. And like, in the last few
years, I've tried to jump into some Assassin's Creed games, but they just
don't feel that great to play. Sorry Taylor, if you're listening to this.
I don't know what it is about them, but they just don't feel
as as snappy and responsive or something about the combat doesn't do it for me.
But this just felt a whole lot better. So I don't know what
the I would have to look into the history of like the crossover who worked
on Watchdogs two versus you know, the Assassin's Creed teams and whatever, But
even if they have similar engines, this one just feels good to play.
The story is really stupid and silly, and the characters are like really lame
and all that, but it doesn't really matter. I still I think the
you know, the core mechanic of Watchdogs is that you have all this tech
and you're hacking into all these things, and you can change street lights or
you can I don't know, bust open like random electrical panels in the ground,
mess with enemies you can, and you know, make cop cars from
Afar just like glitch Out, and do all sorts of things. I know,
those mechanics are pretty fun so far. So I don't know how much
I'll get out of this one. I don't know if I'll be jumping,
you know, playing like twenty hours worth or just playing a few nights here
or there just to get a feel of it. But it's fun and it's
I guess better than I expected it to be, just because I kind of
bounced out the first Watchdogs pretty quick, and this one's just it's just kind
of dumb fun, which is you know what I kind of want every once
in a while after Yeah, a big serious game, you know, Yeah,
that's fun. I paid for it one time years almost twenty bucks,
and I never never fired it up. Because there's a few of those Ubisoft
games for me where they go so cheap. I pick them up, but
I ever play them, so it's maybe it works for them. That's good.
That's a good itch scratched because like GTA is next year, but at
the same time, we don't know when next year, and I think it
will hit, but you never know right that game that day, they could
always delay it a little bit. So yeah, sometimes you need to just
just I will say, it's easy, but it's not necessarily like a challenge.
You know, you don't want to plug in like Alan Ring or maybe
a brain like when you're talking about like a late night or so. Yeah,
well you're enjoying at least, so you think you're gonna lea like what
is are you? Like? Are you just kind of do whatever is fun?
Are you streamlining the main mission or where are you going with it?
So far? I've not really streamlined it like I Like I said, I
just kind of did a couple of m sidequests. I went and did like
a motorcycle race, so just kind of picking things on the map that looked
interesting. But I don't know. I think I will once I jump back
in, go do a couple of the main quests, just to maybe get
a bit further and see if there's any kind of basic mechanics that kind of
get unlocked. As you you know, often games will kind of hide some
of that stuff in the main story. So now you'all do a little bit
more of that, but it seems like pretty open from the get go,
Like you have you start with a lot of money, and it's really easy
to make money in this game, so buying upgrades and like I don't know,
vehicle stuff is is pretty easy. Like you just when you're driving by
someone in a car, you can just like you know, connect with any
vehicle and sometimes you all just have a chance to just steal money from their
account. So you just hit a button you're just driving and you just like
you know, lock on every vehicle and just steal money from their bank account.
It's like it's such a weird mechanic. It's like there is there no
downside the don't come after you that. I feel like that would be half
the fun that there should be a mechanic where you can do that. But
if you do it too often, or if you do it in the wrong,
Yeah, there's seemingly just no punishment for just master you're stealing like twenty
bucks here there. So it's like maybe it's not so much. That's maybe
after I've stolen one million dollars worth and I'll be like, okay, now
something we got to bring them in. Buzzy's going up. But yeah.
I one thing that really stood out to me with the promotion of Watchdog's Legion,
the sequel to this is the kind of stimulated city element of it and
how every single person that you'll see every NPC like has a schedule, They
have a job that they go to, they have certain hobbies, they do
certain things, they have like an economic level and there, and then that's
those are the people you're like recruiting, and so you'll get people who have
different skills and stuff and all that seems really interesting. And so it's cool
going back to this game and not really honestly Watchdogs too. It's like it's
been so long that I kind of I kind of forget what the whole marketing
hype around it was other than just like being a brighter, more colorful I
feel like it's that. Yeah, it was like Watchdogs one, but like
let more of a GTA five sort of vibe to it, I guess,
And people this isn't really like the lead that was like too dark and stuff
of the fresh Adrian Pierce, because it's like about the death of your wife
or daughter, sandbox this world. So yeah, it's bright and colorful Watchdogs,
but this one kind of has a mechanic like that where once again,
every person you run into in the world, they have like a name.
It tells you like their job, whether they are like a flight attendant or
like a drug dealer like some of them are. Just there's way more criminals
in this world then one would expect, and you can get like basic stats
about them and you know if they like have a quest related to them,
and you'll also see that kind of thing. So I don't think it's quite
as deep. Definitely not as as Legions seems to be in some of those
mechanics, but it's cool to see kind of the lineage of that because I
don't remember from Watchdogs one if there was a mechanic like that in there where
they just give every NPC a name and ah the house and stuff like that.
Right, I think there was. Do you remember what city The Watchtongs
one was in Chicago, Illois? Yeah, I feel like I remember scan.
You could scan anybody and they'd have some kind of made up I could
have just been a name, but I feel like that was the thing.
Maybe not anybody, but it feels like a lot you could look into someone
because you're trying to always find like, oh, I need like a security
worker so I could pull this. So I feel like there was a mechanic.
Maybe it was a lesser than version of the first one, but there
was definitely something like that in the first one I recall, mm hmm.
I like that kind of mechanic because that's something that you know Dishonored has with
the heart, where you can just like click on any NPC in the world
and it will tell you some little world building bit about them, something with
their backstory or their family or why they are the way they are, And
so I like that because it just makes you feel more immersive. It feels
like more part of the world. And so I don't know, this might
be a bit more surface level than they get in Legion, but either way,
it's yeah, once again cool to kind of see the stepping stones of
all that. So yeah, I'm gonna keep playing it. I don't know
how long I'll play it for, but I definitely another few sessions and just
mess around and see what more it's about. I don't know how long it
would be to just like play through the main story of it, but I
also don't know if that's like the ideal way to play a game like this,
Like, I think it's more just like whatever looks fun in that moment,
whether it's a side quest that stands out or whatever, just messing around
trying to figure things out. Like I think that will be more kind of
the path I take with it, just looking for amable, lighthearted game in
that way. So plus, there's no you know, you can keep playing
that for a whole year if you want. There's no rush to beat Watchdogs
too gets spoiled or no one's on me like, dude, you gotta you
gotta finish this retros coming. Yeah, it's not all this Sunday, we
gotta review it. Yeah, it's a good one to have. So and
then Travis, the other game I picked up is for whatever reason, Xbox
is having like a Halloween in the spring sale where they had a bunch of
like scary games on sale. So I picked up Last one and two or
like five dollars five dollars for both of them. Got a really sweet deal
there. So I've been playing out Last one, which is fun because if
you go back, everyone can go back. Check out our Outlast Trials review
where we had the full crew on that we talked about that game and then
even after that review, we played for a few more weekends, had a
really great time with it. I think we've kind of seen most of what
we want to see from it at this point. I'm sure when there's new
content drops, we'll jump back in there every once in a while, but
we're just kind of in the war zone thing right now. But yeah,
I've since then I wanted to go back and check out these first two games.
So I'm gonna start with the first one here, and yeah, I'm
maybe two or three hours in at this point, and it's fun to kind
of go back and just see the similarities and differences with Trials. Obviously,
that is more of a co opy focused game, and it's all built around
that, and like how the levels and the structure of it, it's a
lot more level based, and like about the RPG elements, there's a lot
more UI elements to it, whereas going back to the first game, of
course, is a lot more simplified, more of a cinematic thing, with
a lot of like pre programmed jump scares and moments and characters and like linear
kind of force interactions and like you know you're gonna fall through this hole and
then you walk up certain distance and then like a cut scene starts playing and
then someone kicks you down that hole, you know, that kind of thing.
So I'm liking it for that it goes it just yeah, has more
of like a obvious kind of flow to it. I suppose I'm liking the
video camera angle of it, where you kind of you have your your camera
up or down, and that like certain events will only get tracked in your
notepad if you have the camera, which is a weird element. But then
that's also where the night vision element comes in. I got to keep track
of your batteries and all that. It doesn't seem that difficult so far.
I'm playing on the easiest difficulty. That's probably probably why that's my general go
to for horror games. Maybe for this, since I've played Trials, they
should have gone for a higher one, but I don't know, I don't
need the added stress of like being a little on batteries. You know,
like the game is stressful enough with all this freaking jump scares going on.
And then you know, I think maybe the one thing that's standing out to
me so far and is maybe the one thing that's making a bit less compelling
is that I think with Trials, they did a really good job with the
Enemy AI in terms of the unpredictability of it. Also, you're fighting so
many people at a given time sometimes, whereas going back to this game and
maybe I'm sure it'll ratch up the difficulty and intensity of things, but the
AI is seeming a lot more predictable in a way that's taking away a lot
of the tension. And like, one interaction that I've seen happen a few
times now is like if you run into a room and you're trying to hide,
and there's like two or three lockers, and you just go pick whatever
locker you're going to go in, the AI will always go and open the
locker right next to you, you know, because that's kind of freaky.
They'll never actually open the one year in unless they saw you walk into it
directly. But it's those things that just feels like, Okay, I can
kind of see the I'm like in the matrix, I can see the coding
underneath here that's telling these guys what they do. It a bit less too,
still, what's that the locker thing? They do? Then Trials too,
the right beside you if they don't see right so it's funny that carried
over from the first of the multiplayer one. So yeah, so that's really
my only critique if it so far, it seems to be some of that
AI stuff and then you know the story and the setting and all that.
It's very it's not I guess, quite as goofy or like cringey as Trials
is as much Trials it's so weird, but yeah, it's definitely it still
is goofy with the characters in the setting and the and and the dialogue and
all that. But yeah, there it is definitely a bit more serious.
I also I like the visual style to it, Like going back, it's
a bit more simplified obviously, and this is like you can see how the
studio evolved over time in terms of like just the detail and the tech and
all that. But there's something about the simplistic graphics, like even the sky
the skybox has like a weird look to it that is like almost makes you
feel like you're in a dream state or something. But just compared to Trials,
which all takes place inside these bunkers under I don't even know what takes
place, but definitely not outside. It's cool to see that different environment.
So so yeah, it's it's fun. I'm probably gonna play through the whole
thing, and then I'm excited to go into Outlast two as well, because
we talked about that on the review and how none of us have really put
a lot of time into it, so I want to see kind of the
different angle on it with a maybe more open outside area. Seems kind of
interesting. Is a different setting. Yeah, No, that's exciting you're going
through that. I'm not sure. I'm excited when you get to two to
hear your thoughts. So that's when I still dip my toes in because all
I heard is that it was, you know, lesser than, but that
was also I feel like there's been years removed, so maybe it's one of
those things of it's lesser than, but was it still enjoyable and I just
listen to everybody or is it really lesser than where it's like, okay,
this is not even that a fun time? Like I imagine still a similar
sthetic as far as you're going around, you know, avoiding bad guys or
some mechanics. So yeah, and with one because when I got this whole
bundle for it, it came with Outlast one Whistleblower, which I guess is
the DLC. Did you play that? But no, because I think because
I got this free on PlayStation, I don't think the DLC was out at
that point, gotcha, Okay, and then you didn't, like decide to
go back when it No, And I think at that point I had kind
of moved on, but I thought i'd heard good things about it. Okay,
Yeah, that got that with this bundle, like I said, So
I'll definitely jump into it afterwards and see see what's different, what changes.
I don't think the second game has a DLC pack associated with it, so
I wonder why they chose to do it that way. But yeah, yeah,
interesting. So there you go. I'll share my thoughts as I play
through more Outlast. And I know you haven't play anything new more of that
war Zone. I'm curious though, because I know you've been you talked about
this on Original so you're just really busy right now. I got a lot
on your plate, doing a lot of writing and other things. What is
the top of your stack right now? Once you're if you're not doing Warzone,
you do you have some gaming time? What is it like the what
is the top of the stack right now, Well other than next I'll probably
move hell Blay to the top. Just that makes SHI get right. I
still would very much like to go because, like I said, I think
I'm in the third that if it's a three act structure. How because I
watch movies that's always going in my mind. I feel like I'm on the
third act of elm Ring and I just got busy. And I also that's
a game that now that you can streamline it, but you can look at
some things and I'll probably be Okay, what's the best patches to do that?
Because that's a game that I purposely was like, I'm not gonna I
said on that very first review we did with Sarah's like, I'm not going
to try to streamline this because there's so many games i'd done that for and
I love the experience of what's out there. But I would like to go
back to that DLC. I just know that it's like it's a fun game,
but it is like a commitment. It's like what you're talking about with
Watchdogs. It's the opposite, right, It's that's not a I just got
a couple hours at night and I'm kind of tired, but I could just
have a fun time. That's like gotta be in the zone. Same thing
you gotta have like everybody would have to be asleep. I gotta be myself
and stuff. So I think that would be I think that would be the
top one after hell Blad, because yeah, I don't think there's too many
new games coming out that I'm that interested in picking up at least day one,
So it'll depend the timing of it. So my I guess my trajectory
I'm hoping to maybe do is like hell Blade elden Ring and then the DLC
and then that Star was gonna be on August, so I feel like that
would kind of be my my month's planned out there. So and then who
knows, Like there's always times we obviously do Warzone. Maybe we'll go back
out last if something drops there. But I think that's the that's the trajectory
of uh happening lately. So yeah, I would just like to finally get
back there. But I definitely when I get back in there, I would
do the main storyline, but in fact I have to just go right around
a bit, get back in that that mindset of the of the challenge and
everything, and even that it's been I have no I think I'm in that
demon hell world where there's like that big thing of the entrance that's like like
standing there. It's like it looks very there's like a path. I got
to it very early, and then I came back to it later. It's
like all there's olid Is that what you're talking about? I think so yeah,
And then the entrance I think when you get there too early, there's
like a big thing there. I'm not sure if you can eventually kill it
or not, but there's a couple of big things I remember in that area,
so I don't know. It's right at the game. It's right the
entrance of that building and you can't really get in. You can go behind
it, but it wakes up, so I'm not sure if that's a killable
thing. I'm sure it is, but yeah, I want I've just been
thinking about getting back in that world. I really enjoyed that game, and
I think things like Rings of Power and that's coming out hopefully in the end
of summer, like some more medieval stuff. So I think that's the I
think that's the plan. Is Elan Ring. I'd like to and that,
but there'll be a certain point if I get too close to the DLC,
then I might pivot to something else, smaller before the Star Wars game and
who knows what, But I need to I guess I need to download that
app and make a full attack plan here because summer is always busy too.
But I want to I want to get back in Alan ring. So yeah,
definitely. Okay, cool, let's take our first break and we'll get
back. We'll get into our main topic. Okay, we are back.
So yeah, like I said at the top of the show, PS four,
we're doing a little little retrospective. You're gonna talk about our favorite games.
We'll do a little top five ranking. But you might be wondering,
why why the tim into this? Why is this? Why is this coming
on now? Is a very random time for this. I think a couple
of reasons. One, this week a very slow newsweek. There's not a
whole lot going on. I was looking around my topics listen, I saw
this one. I was like, hey, no, we never we never
got around to this. And I think the reason why we never got around
to it is the end of the PS four is kind of weird, and
it's like, you could even say that it hasn't even ended yet, but
there was just you know, we talked about doing this cast me and you
know a long time ago, like around the time I think when the PS
five was about to come out as like a a final like end cap there
to the PS four talk about our favorite games from it. But then it's
like, okay, well, with the PS five launch, you have Miles
Morales, but that's on PS four as well, and then like okay,
and then Horizon Forbidden West is coming out and that's still on the PS four.
And then after that even like okay, God will Regnarks, that's still
in the PS four, And so I feel like it really isn't until I
feel like this is actually kind of the year, or I guess you could
say last year is when we've finally been kicked into like the PS five generation
proper like this year in particular with final fantasies have Rebirth, Stellar Blade,
Rise, le Ronan, even Pacific Drive, like none of those are first
party games, but they're all Spider Man in Fall last year too, because
that was finally just PS five, right, So yeah, for sure,
I feel like, maybe, yeah, maybe since that Spider Man moment is
when we finally off into the PS five proper generation. And then also like
the time is this is kind of weird because this year, as I just
mentioned those four games, I know there was a first party, and PlayStation
have said like, we don't have any games coming out this year. They
just straight up said that no first party things are coming out this year.
So it's gonna be a bit of a dry spell. So then maybe it's
a good time to actually kind of soak it all in and look back at
this. So so, yeah, the PS four is a console that me
and you were both a big fan of. We talked about a lot on
the podcast, of course, but I went to first just ask like do
you miss it? Do you miss the PS four or is the PS five?
Has that been like a smooth transition for you and you're just kind of
happy to be in this this current gen. Yeah, I feel like it's
been a smooth transition. And to your point, that is like a I
think it's a pro and a con because a pro you just kind of pick
up like they changed a bit of the UI. But what it's like a
almost your thurel. There's like nice golden sparks and music versus I don't know.
The blue screen, the menu's pretty much the same. I think they
divide like the games and media, so it does feel just like then it's
I think it's a more successful, easily more successful version of like the WI
to the WEU because the PS five like there's some advances. But I think
that's the problem is it doesn't feel like there's a clear almost all those consoles,
Like I said, we to WEU, that doesn't feel like that.
But I feel like Xbox is almost similar to right now with the Xbox One
to the what are they now? Xbox like series X and s like they
just feel like a you know, granted they've kind of said that before that
these things might become more like phones, which I get from a business standpoint
because if something's working, why do a big change up? Right? Why
do you saw what happened with the EU, right? You saw it happen
with Xbox One. When they try to do big change ups, sometimes I
can completely backfire, right, so or it can be something like the switch.
So I feel like it is just like a the better than version,
but even that it's like that better then of course there's games that are more
graphically improved and it's more powerful. I don't miss the plane sound it makes,
so hopefully my PS five never gets to that point where it's like so
far, so good. We're how many years PS five now it's twenty twenty
man fourth year currently, jesuis, yeah, we're coming on almost half a
decade next year. So yeah, I don't think I miss it. But
it's almost like they didn't allow me to miss it, because like PS one,
PS two, PS three, and the PS four feels so distinct.
All the Nintendo eras feel very distinct other we and we U, and then
all the Xbox ones did as well too. Whether it was a look of
the console that's the most thing, and I'd say, like I'm the worst
person to ask, but look of consoles, because both consoles have just been
in a cupboard. I never see them, so it's not like, oh
I missed that. Does maybe I miss how small the PS four was,
like it not as like bulky, But yeah, no, I don't think
I miss it in that aspect. It feels very much like it's just lived
on and evolved. And like I said, maybe I'd like that with the
PS six, but I'd kind of get if they just stayed in the same
realm if we got to make something like them. So yeah, I do
feel like there is something as time goes on these current console generations. I
guess maybe Nintendo is not part of this, but yeah, I do feel
like there's a bit more of these consoles are seeming less unique, and I
don't know if they're gonna be as I mean, we're also just getting older,
so like, obviously we're aways gonna be nostalgia for the N sixty four
in a way that we just naturally won't be for something like the PS four.
But I think you're right, especially in the era now where like have
you bought a physical game on your PS five? No, Well, I
have one on my Xbox Series X. I think I got elden Ring on
a physical version in case day they wanted to borrow it or something. But
I think that's part of it, where like you almost don't even see that
delineation between the console generation when you're not really like having those physical versions of
the game, and you just kind of connect with things differently, especially Xbox
when it comes to game Pass. For a lot of these games, like
it doesn't really matter if you're playing on Xbox one or Series X even still
in the year twenty twenty four or four years after that console is released two
and so yeah, I definitely feel like these these systems, I mean,
they still feel like generations, but it feels a little bit less so.
And I think for me, like the PS four, that was the first
PlayStation console I ever owned personally, you know, played a lot of PS
one and two growing up at like at friend's house, and then a little
bit of PS three as well, ever played really any of the handhelds,
but I think for me that was like a very special thing as finally being
in that world for the first time, and it took some getting used to,
but by the end of that, like, man, I love that's
might be my favorite controller ever. I love that PS four controller, and
I miss it now that I'm like a primary Series X gamer these days.
And fuck I hate the joy gone so much still in this very day.
I mean, the GameCube controller is iconic, but in terms of a more
modern controller design, I still love that PS four controller. And then even
just like what it felt like, I still remember those E three showcases where
we got some of those big games, you know, when we first saw
Ghosts. It was like, what is this game? And seeing Spider Man
and Horizon and all those death stranding trailers, and I feel like that was
such an exciting time for Sony and even just like you know, not to
just stand over a corporation here, but even just like you know, Sean
Laydon, the whole direction in the aesthetic of PlayStation with something I was so
fond of and I was so hopeful for the future of. And now I'm
very much like, I don't love the direction they taken, but now they're
you know, the new CEO in that position, so maybe things will take
a turn. But yeah, I just there was that whole allure of that
very that time. And then of course releasing all these huge, unique new
ip I think is huge too, whereas the PS five generation has been like
I meant a lot of sequels to those games, and that's great, But
there is something special about just man game after game after game of either a
reboot of an old series I got of War or Horizon, a stranding Ghost,
Spider Man, similar thing where it's like, man, these are just
new, fresh games that we haven't seen before, and they're all just they're
all good. Pretty much like even the ones that are that we may be
uh rag on a little bit. It's like Detroit Become Human still a very
solid game, or Days Gone. Haven't got around it, but like still
a solid game. Just rated, give it a fair shot, you know.
Yeah, So I don't know. I just I very much look on
look back on those like maybe three or four year long period in that PS
five because I didn't get it or PS four, but I didn't get it
at launch. I got maybe like two or three years in and like,
yeah, that period was like really great. And then all the reviews that
mostly me and you did Someonie's Kirkling with jump in on them. But it
was just such a such a great era for gaming. It's one of those
things where man, I didn't realize, you know, we were in the
golden years and were like past them. It's like that kind of thing,
right, Yeah, No, it's interesting. I don't know if you'll ever
see And I think that's something that people have listened to podcasts. I've seen
articles about the people that you know cover games like daily or you know that's
their job. Is just I don't and even with everything, so many games
to you is closing down or you know, it's I think it's very similar.
And it'll be funny to look back in decades, right, because I
was joke about this and I say that since like two thousand and five,
like life's pretty boring because you look at like sixties to nineties, it's ending
two thousands, like everything's so distinct, right, But it just feels like
since the twenty tens, like we kind of like it's just kind of the
same thing, but a little bit different, a little bit newer. And
that's the same thing, Like you look at that when we were on the
podcast at twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen for movies and games, like movies having
ever like just look at a movie, Oh that's a guaranteed billion dollars guaranteed
billion dollar. Same thing with games, like, oh that's a hit,
that's a hit. We're now, unfortunately, get so many studios that close
or shutting down or layoffs, right, And it's just I don't think we
appreciated back then that man, there's so many people that were spending money or
and that could be a bunch of economic stuff too, but just in general,
like these big game same thing, like these studios producing all these I
think we kind of thought that, oh, it's gonna be this way for
everyone. Really, when you look back at the history of gaming, it
was never like that, right. It was just that it was crazy that
we happen to have a few years like that all together, especially for Sony,
right, I think, and Nintendo's had that sometimes as well too,
But even then I feel like they would do that and then they go off
the gas for a little bit and they wait and then they come out where
Sony was just for about two and a half years putting out something and if
it wasn't a game, it was a hype announcement. It was stuff like
God of War, like that was a thing where I remember all of us
it was you, Me, Kyle, Liam Tyler, and none of us
were really big God of War people. But after that trailer were like,
Wow, this looks like something really incredible, right, And I feel like
it's been a minute since I've gotten that from kind of any company. There's
the odd time, and I think it's more specifically Studios and that again with
E three and stuff, and that kind of goes away and there's that hype
cycle of nowadays, it's just you can put out trailer Tuesday, right and
get that. But I think it just the stars kind of aligned, and
I do think that they did kind of have a little bit. I think
it's much like everything else, Like you know, I talkbos and wrestle all
the time, like competition breeds that sort of stuff. And I wonder if
they had just completely dominated the PS three era, if we hit that PlayStation
right, because I think luckily at the end of that they came around and
they outsold three sixty, But that's not the narrative, right. The narrative
was everyone at three sixty, that's what you played with your friends. So
I wonder if they just won and they was still console. I feel like
they did feel we need to make big games that sell us call so that
they can have to be the destination point where now even though they're not selling
like the PS five numbers, I think it's still gonna be very like successful
also the PS five like it is. But I mean, like, I
don't know where it will be in the grand scheme of things. I think
PS five is like or PS four is like what, It's in the top
five for sure, right, not counting handhelds. I think it's top five,
top three somewhere in there, right, yeah, I think PS two
is still the highest, followed by the I believe the Switch at this point,
yeah, the Wii, and then maybe the PS twos is after that
point the PS four is so yeah, that to me sounds right. PS
four A four yeah, so yeah to me, that's where it's just I
wonder with that narrative if that would have been it, because now I just
feel like, oh they are they kind of get to coast, right for
the most part. Of course, you still want to be selling stuff,
but and the last point has like what you're talking about with Xbox. That's
the thing now too, where when you're gonna have games come into PlayStation that
those generations feel even less than right like it feels now to me is like
if you want your PlayStation or Xbox, and if you're not a PlayStation exclusive
guy, it really just comes down to like which controller do you like better?
Like what you are, like if you are if you just play,
if you're a main strepierce in that place you're like you're called due to your
Madens, your your I don't know what's what's gonna be on both consoles from
it like GTA right, like I don't think I believe those rumors that it's
gonna be PlayStation exclusive for a year even you know, so yeah, I
don't buy any of that stuff, so the games have made even less so
then, so it's, uh, it's it's a weird time to be in
and that's what That's what I've always cheered for Xbox back then. They're going
a different route now and I don't think I think this is the PlayStation we
kind of get forever now where people buy them. They're the name, and
you're still gonna get exclusives of course, but it's not gonna be that rapid
rate that we got a couple of years ago, which was huge. So
yeah, no, I like, I love what you're saying about the the
presentation of it. I feel like they just had such they just had to
like such a strong presence with all those like showcases usally new is something you're
gonna look forward to, and whether it was yeah, like a state of
play thing or or the big on showcase, whatever, it was like you
knew you were gonna just be at least intrigued by what they're showing. And
then along with that it's just like, yeah, the release calendar just felt
so solid where you're getting consistent game or two or three every year, and
I just feel like even right now, as I just talk about, like
they don't really have a big new game this year. Yeah, they like
Rebirth, that's a huge title for their console, but in terms of the
first party stuff, they don't have something there. And that's even like,
you know, I love my series X I love the console, but I
mostly just because of game passing the variety there. But man, it takes
so long for these like new first party Xbox games to come out, and
we're that at that point now with PlayStation where the development cycles are so fricking
long that it's just taking so long to get anything. So you're gonna have
like large swaths of time where there isn't really something new or exciting coming out,
And then it also just makes the whole thing a bit more dry,
where I don't I feel like I haven't heard any PlayStation news in like weeks,
are just like there's just nothing really going on because there isn't like these
games to talk about. There's not really too much announce. We know,
like a couple things that are but for the most part, we're kind of
just like, oh, yeah, we're assuming that, you know, the
next ghost of the stream of the games like in development, but we don't
really know anything about it, and it could still be like another three years
away or something crazy like that. There's the odd one. We're like,
we're now kind of getting into that cycle of desk strinding two, which is
exciting, But then you can even look at that and be like, well,
it's not quite first party either, so there's maybe a little bit difference
there from where we were a few years ago. Well, and I think
that's the thing with the PS five. It kind of either goes two ways
where either this is the console look looked at as it started the norm of
what PlayStation is for the next few decades, or if PlayStation six is a
bit more similar to PS four, where it's a bunch of games and there's
a change up here, it could be looked as the transitional period. As
far as like, well, they're just kind of coasting on PS four.
I feel like, because we've already gotten rumors up pill about PS six that
it is just gonna be this is the norm, and like, Okay,
we're gonna make it a little bit different here. And also we see like
some of those advancements like with unreal engines, like Man, there's gonna be
some really pretty looking games. So it's like I get that consoles will be
more expensive of it, they're just gonna be maybe more powerful instead of really
changing much. But uh yeah, I feel like we still need some time
to see exactly what the error is. But I think it is a defining
era one way, where PS four to me is like the I don't I
think it's gonna be kind of the peak for a while because I think it's
gonna be the peak for what they have in the game, but also just
business wise, right because they'll be looked as the time where they were the
top guy, you know, because Nintendo it's that thing where they've been the
top guy like many times. You know, they like they're all like,
to me, they are the top because they started. They didn't start the
whole thing, but they kind of did right, Like with the them being
this big brand, they were the first one that people that didn't play video
games would play that console. So yeah, I'll be exciting to see even
five years from now what's looked back as. But I do I think it's
like that thing whereas I don't miss the console PS four, but I miss
the era of PS four because it did feel, like you said, those
rope maps were nice because even if we didn't have a date, we kind
of had like an expectation of, Okay, this might be like same thing
like Ghost of Shushima. I'm just crazy. We haven't heard like anything about
that, you know, like it's it's because when that come out twenty eighteen
or something like that, twenty nineteen, I think, so we're coming on
five years now because it came on the summer, which is and then I
think some of that DLC stuff came out on twenty twenty true, right,
and they didn't come on twenty Legends, right, that's what it was called,
right, Legends, right, yeah, legends. Yeah. So there's
the Island, yeah, Pikey Island wherever it was. Yeah. Yeah.
So let's talk a little bit about some of those favorite games. I mean,
there were so many, especially when going through this, like just forgot
about a handful of Man, I can't believe some of that. And of
course we didn't play everything. I didn't play everything because we're just two people
and it'll get review codes. So it's like it's expensive to get every single
one of these games, so we got pick and choose. But I still
think like we did a pretty good job of covering a lot of the big
ones. So and I don't really have a particular order here. These are
just an order which I wrote them down. So talk about Horizon a little
bit. So Horizon's kind of it's come, It's got, It's it's SQL,
it's got its whole spin off now with the VR title. And this
is a weird one where you know, at the time, I I love
the game so much, and then for some reason I've just like soured on
over the years. I think there's one reason is like I went back for
the DLC when they released that, and it was like really hard to lce
and it came out far enough after the launch of the game that I was
like really rusty and I was like, oh okay, I kind of bounced
off that, and then Forbin West just didn't really do it for either of
us. But it's like, still that game was so unique, some of
the mechanics visually, like still one of the best looking, if not the
best looking game games of all time, Like a really cool sci fi world.
Something just totally different, and also it was just cool as like a
pivot for that studio too, to do something completely yeah, and they had
done before, so such a just iconic kind of new ip distinctly from that
era. Yeah, new icon with Aloya as well too, because that's always
a good thing when you can create new ones, because you know, when
they brought back Creatos, it's like, okay, well you're bringing someone back.
You had Spider Man's like, well, that's kind of a cheek because
he's already established. It was cool to see, Okay, we're making somebody
of big note and yeah, I have pretty much. I think it's like
you were almost a tail of two cities in a way where it's weird because
you The second game is more recent for me, which again then I did
not think was awful, But the first game, I just remember that being
the game that's still anytime I was playing Zelda Breath the while, I was
like, oh, I want to be back in that game, right,
And I think that game for me had a big window to fail as well,
because I'm not like, like, I like dinosaurs enough, but I
wasn't like I remember the first Traders like there's some cool aspects. I was,
oh, the cool robot dinosaurs, like, hey, what's more of
the game, and you said gorilla games doing that was very exciting, so
uh yeah, I think that that shows that game represents what I was talking
about, where it wasn't just them resting on their loyals or the loyals right,
No, they almost said resting on their aloys is almost what it which
is like a great yeah either way, it didn't show that they were playing
it safe. They did that also thought about got a War two, but
that to me was Okay, we are going to you know, revitalize stuff,
do new things, and also create new things. And it panned out
for them because great game, and and even the majority of people think two's
a great game. We'll get a third one one day and I'm not sure
it depends on my life where I'll dip my toes back in because I didn't
hate the game, and maybe takes one great trailer with a few things to
show me, Okay, that could be interesting. And I did like,
I still like Aloy overall as a character for the most part. In the
second game, there are some choices they make, right, I go like,
yeah, like that kind of sucks, but overall and uh and same
thing. That's something that I think they've still said is like they're making a
Netflix show or something, so right, yeah, that's where it's like,
oh okay, if that show's there, might kind of uh, you know,
get some juices going. So I think that was just a big win
for them in the PS four era. Yeah, something so cool and unique
because you can see I'm not sure if it's on your list, but it's
like you can see Days Gone where they did that and that didn't go anywhere,
right, wasn't a franchise. They didn't really consider it a hit,
you know, And that's where that could have been Horizon where it been oh
yeah, it's just like kind of cool dinosaur robot game, but there's not
much there, you know. It's just that's the concept and that's it.
But now you know, when we're making we're gonna make a top five here,
I think for the know for what we're doing here, we're trying to
pick like PS five exclusive games. If you have games on your list you
want to show out at four right, Sorry, it's prepared wrongly. No,
Like if you have a game that's not a PS four exclusive, but
you just heavily associate with the console. That's cool too, we can bring
those up, but then we also have to keep in mind that, like
man, a lot of these games aren't even exclusive anymore because they've come to
PC. So console exclusives, but you know, I think that for I
think Horizon, Yeah, it is on Steam now at this point, so
it's not even an exclusive game anymore. But I think, to me,
it's still that's still a PS four PS four game, you know, yes,
as tippy top as you can get there. But when you think of
Forbidden West, do you think of that as a PS four PS five game?
And I know it's you played on PS five, but in terms of
like the history or lineage or where it belongs in the annals of time,
like what do you where do you think of that one? And that's what
I hate. It's just like this gray area of like it's a compout answer,
but like I think of neither, I just think of it as a
game now, right, Like it's not a Sony Games. Yeah, it's
just a game that came out. Not that it's not DLC, of course,
but it feels almost like when DLC happens, where it comes out and
it's like, oh, yeah, I remember playing that or they did something
there, And I think there's obviously bigger ones like Experiment two that I would
remember more, and I guess it's PS five more like Miles, right,
But it's in this kind of weird era, So it's like, technically I
can't really put it in either camp because I played that. I played Miles
on PS five, you know, but a bunch probably more people played those
games on PS four, if not the same Miles. I know for sure
Miles sold tremendously on the PS four, right, So I think it's just
in this weird nether realm Yeah, I mean for me, I did play
on the PS four, But this one's easy one to like discount of it
because you know, we don't love the second one as much as the first
one. So I think for the sake of our making list possibilities here we
can we can kick it off. But yeah, it is a weird one
that exists in that space. And there's a couple otherthers as well. Let's
just talk about those ones next. So Spider Man, you know, of
course, with the Great Spider Man twenty eighteen, Miles and Morales as well
is kind of in that weird spot. I think one thing that's kind of
interesting when I look back on the PlayStation this PS four generation of games,
is I haven't really replayed a lot of these games, and so if there
was like a DLC pack, so for Horizon, for example, that's when
I would have jumped back. Or eventually I got the ps FO the Spider
Man DLC, so I jump jump back and check some of that stuff out
and then goes to Sushima with that online mode and the DLC. Once again,
I jump back. But if it wasn't for like new content, I
didn't really revisit these games or haven't replayed any of them, so they very
much exist in that pocket of time. But man, Spider Man PS four,
my first ever platinum trophy in a game, you know, just played
the hell out of it. Just all the different costumes, seen the city
like that, just the gameplay. I haven't really played a lot of Spider
Man games in my life, as much as I love that character, so
I hadn't played like the classic kind of PS two one and the other ones
that people love so much. So man, just what a game. And
you know, once again is similar story. Unfortunately, where Miles Morales didn't
quite do it as much. For me. I think it was just because
it was a bit a little bit shorter. The one wasn't quite as good
and get to kind of steep in it quite as much. But maybe it
was just a bit too much of the same and that first game has nailed
it so much. But yeah, when I think back on that one,
I just I love that game so much. The combat system was fantastic,
so many unique innovations, all of just the details of looking in different windows
and seeing the different like they put so much detail into just the city of
that place that was so much, such a big part of it as the
character of it. So yeah, what a great time that was. Yeah.
No, and then I'm the reverse where it's like not that I played
every Spider Man game knowing a man, but it's like I feel all the
biggest ones that were It's like there I was still buying those they did,
god like Spiderman Edge Dimensions, Inspiman Shattered Dimensions, and Spider Man Web of
Shadows, Like I I was into all those And this was we hadn't got
a game in a while, and this was that pre Arkham era where it's
like, Okay, we've seen what a big developer can do with a superhero
character when our when is Marvel gonna kind of get that? And we never
really did. It took kind of longer than I thought it really did.
It tied up perfectly with the PS four, but you just thought it would
have been almost immediate, right of, look what they're doing, we gotta
do this, yeah, because Avengers is what twenty twelve and then it wasn't
until twenty eighteen that this game. Yeah, like you would even think like
just how huge those early phase of the Marvel stuff would be, that that
would have spawned those games a lot quicker. And don't you talk about the
other ones like Batman Arkham is like twenty two thousand and eight, two thousand
and nine, like it's very early on good point. Yeah, so it's
like why yeah. So so for me that was like finally years of untapped
potential like realized. And I think that was one It tied perfectly with our
podcast because we had just started not too long ago, and which is a
hype thing. Most of us were Spiderman fans, and I think it just
that delivered on the Okay, they're making new games. They're making the revitalized
game that was the because there wasn't rumors of that beforehand, right like no
one had known, Okay, there's a Spider Man PS exclusive game coming out,
So I think that delivered on that PS four era of like the hype
surprise and it actually delivering. I don't think anyone's gonna say that Spider Man
is like the greatest game of all time, but I think it met like
it checked all the boxes everyone wanted and that's all it needed to do.
And I think the sequels have had, even the second one has had the
big debate of like, oh, you know, it's smaller, and it's
like it was it a fault worthy fall up sequel. It's tough because they
I think the only things they could ever change from that game the other ones
are just story stuff because all the stuff you want to do is Spider Man.
It's you kind of they kind of nailed the gate right, so there's
not much you could really build upon where that was the advantage that Batman did
have, where Okay, it starts in a prison and then we're gonna go
to goth Or, We're gonna go to a bigger city. Then we're gonna
go to goth and we're gonna do Batmobile, Like there was some things they
held back where Spider Man, to their credit, they kind of gave you
the whole kin kaboodle out, you know, and that's where it's just like,
I don't know if they'll ever really live up. That's why I like
to that idea of the Spider Man multiplayer game because I thought, Okay,
you can't really maybe be as good as that first game, but this is
something different, and the third one we'll see because there's some new things they'll
introducing, but I think you can just kind of just do variations of the
great thing you created, other than the story, because both games I think
have had story issues and I think they just haven't tieden those up and it's
gonna be what it's gonna be. But I think that game was just the
ultimate kind of hype thing and it was I think the I think it did
propel tons of people, Like if you're I don't know if it will make
our top five list, but if you were to make games that were the
top five, like what push that console? I think that was the best
selling, right that or God of War were the top four exclusive selling games.
Yeah, and even if it's not the game, just the consoles alone,
I feel like that made a lot of mainstream people go, oh,
I gotta get a PlayStation taylor Field almost what I want to say after trying
the game. So I think for the history of the PS four, that
was a huge landmark for them. And now that we're four years removed from
Miles Moralest, where where does that sit with your with you these days?
I think it's the same. I probably like the sequel a bit more like
Experiment two more because obviously it's longer, bigger game, but both of them
it sounds like a GluN for or not gunnen for punishment. But just like
I'm accepting anything but the DLC Miles the sequel. Again, they don't reinvent
the wheel, They're not better than the first game, but I'm always just
down for more Spider Man and more adventures. Like I said, I feel
like I wouldn't I enjoyed Miles more than the second game. I think the
second game was. I am with some people that it's it's tough right because
it depends how you play it. But I am with some people that it
did feel shorter with Miles. I didn't have that because I went, oh,
it is just we are kind of prepped beforehand. This is a smaller
experience. So I think with that way, I was fine that. I
think it was cool time to get Miles. So I think, yeah,
that's where I am a little just easy that it was more. It was
a good time. I think I liked obviously the villain a bit more than
you. But and I think it was cool for that fan base as well
too to get something that was just Sololy Miles, because you know, he's
had a couple of big years, but he's still a newer character, right.
So but overall I still look as like a I think it's if that
was the only thing we had gone and I wonder how I feel about it.
But because we experiment too, it just like, here's a nice holdover
til you get the main course. So yeah, it was I mean that's
a perfect kind of thing to have at a launch lineup too. Yes,
that timing worked out really and that sold really well too as well at the
time, right on both the consoles. So yeah, what's the next one
that comes to your mind. Let's talk about Detroit Become Human because you brought
up because the reason I thought about that because you said the games that I've
replayed, and I feel that Spider Man was a game that I did replay
because they had new games plus, so I did do that and Detroit Become
human for the obvious reasons. That's why I replayed it, because I think
I only did it twice. Maybe I did, like, maybe I did
three times. One I think was a shorter one started a second play through,
but it was like right after playing the game rather than like coming back
a year later. Yeah, and I think you're right where maybe I came
back only a few months later. So in that aspect, you're right where.
I don't think I came back, oh, two years later. I'm
itching for it because I feel like, I will say, I'm excited for
the day that we're on Side Quest and you randomly dropped the ball that you've
just replayed Detroit become human again for the third time. That would be fun.
That'll be Travis if he wins the lottery and has a lot of money
and just like, oh, hey, I want to do this, but
it's tough because I did replay it a little bit. But at the same
time, I'm actually not someone that does like to go other than Knights of
All Republic. I like just having the one experience and then that's kind of
it, or waiting a long time. And if I do wait a long
time, there's probably other games, like another game I'll bring up that I'll
replay. But no, I think that was a very fun time. I
think we both had issues with certain things, and I don't think it worked
out as much as we want. I think we want. I think many
other people too, were hoping it was going to be like up there with
the other games that he had made in the past, right, and just
even with the PS four generation. As far as the games we got,
so, I feel like it's solidly in a B tier spot. It's nowhere
near the A tier or the stier people might even argue could be lower than
that. I think it all depends on the route you win, and I
think there's some things that work with it. But that's one that I said
I did replay, and it was that even then, same thing in the
hype of that. They did a good job presenting that game. They made
that game look very exciting, and I think that was maybe another thing too,
where you and I didn't play Days Gone, so I feel like we
were just playing the bangers pretty much right like this, there's other ones will
bring up, even the Last of Us, which I know we'll talk about,
like you never played the second one, but it's like that's one where
you go, hey, that's just not for me. But I don't think
you'd be like this, you'd have critiques against it, but you get why
people put it so high. Where I don't think Detroit human. I think
no, I've seen no one put it that high. And if they did,
be like, okay, you got to sell me, like why is
this as good as Spider Man or Last of Us? Right like so yeah,
but I had a good time that build up and the conversation was from
when we did the actual cast, and I do like choose your own adventure
games, so there's some dark stuff in there, and so I think that's
one where the concept was really cool. And I hope that that Star Wars
game that they're making does happen, because we got that trailer and heard those
issues and then there's just been nothing since. But no, I think that
was a fun time. Same thing of even if as a B tier,
I enjoyed my time. There wasn't a complete disappoint where I felt, man,
I really wasted my time and money here, you know. Yeah.
No, I still have that distinct memory of on the review just talking about
our character's favorite moments, that kind of thing. And one of my favorite
character Colm was in there was I remember the character's name is Connor, but
then I can't remember what Clancy Brown's Character's name is, but that dynamic was
the one that I loved. And then in your game, I think Clancy
Brown's character had died super early on. It was awful, yeah, because
he hated me and I got no nothing from him, so we had complete
that and that was the fun stuff compared to that because he nothing of like
this character was done for me so and he killed himself. Yeah yeah,
But in out of those, because there was kind of the three characters,
and I just remember that the Marcus one being the kind of weaker one of
the three. For men, I don't know what it was. I think
I was very nostalgic and still kind of am for Heavy Rain, just because
that was also a very specific time when I played that game with my cousin
in high school and he was like, well, this is a cool,
weird game, and like I wasn't much of a PlayStation guy, so like,
what is this is so different from me freaking playing Smash Rose Brawl on
my back home, And so I feel like by maybe by the end of
the Detroit it just didn't have that same feel to it, and like every
in's like I've gone back to it. I wonder how I would feel about
the story and the characters from a modern lens, But there was just somebod
about the nostalgia that I couldn't escape. But yeah, Detroit is one that
I when I think back on the PS four generation and all those games that
we talked about, it's always like the seventh or eighth one that comes to
mind. It's never that top of mind one. But yeah, I still
had some good times. I think it did some really cool stuff. I
maybe wanted it to be a bit more expansive, because I remember really liking
the city and the location. But then you'd like, if you had one
of those more open areas, it'd be like, Okay, you're in like
a park and you can go like now one street, Like it's very limited
and how much you could do, which for what the game is like,
that's totally what you need. But I think something like that maybe would have
given me a bit more to chew on perhaps, But I definitely do still
have some good memories of it, and just like the tone and the vibe
of it was something that was very unique. It definitely is still, I
would say unique comparing it to just some of the other games that we're talking
about here and we will be talking about it took a swing and I don't
know if it actually you know, it didn't hit it the greatest, but
it stands as far as, like you said, being different apart from the
other ones because it's not like a robot hunting game. It's not Expire man.
So it's just weird to think back because that was a twenty seven twenty
Okay, that was twenty eighteen. I thought it was twenty seventeen, so
not quite as old as I thought it was. But like since then,
the studio hasn't done anything right, like just been that Star Wars game.
Yeah, and I get that would probably be pretty massive, right if you're
working on that, so it could be hands on deck, but I think
there's been through like some issues, so maybe that's it. But yeah,
hope hopefully that Stars Games does happen, because I think that that's another fun
route you could take with that experience, and Knights Republic did that very well,
so there's history of it. M hm, yeah, okay, let's
jump to This will probably be a quick showed about, but I do want
it showed out, which is Dreams and Dreams. I'm sure I never forgot
about Dreams, but I wanted to shout this out because this game. Finally,
I think last year, late last year did kind of close. I
think you can still create stuff, but they're just like done adding new content
or supporting it anymore, like thank supporting it. Yeah, yeah, you
can still, yeah, make make things and release things. But I think
even last year, maybe it was the year before at this point, Medium
Molecule like made a game within Dreams that I heard was actually really good,
and I meant to go check it out, but it's like I'm just not
on my PS four these days, so I never got around to it.
I'm sure I have to update and how to get my controllers SYNCD and dust
you know, dust off the costs, all that kind of thing, but
it's a game I definitely want to go back to, because I'm sure there's
some other cool things that exist in there. I think it's just it's it's
one of those things that man, that game took way too long in development,
and they probably stuck with it a bit too long, and it's it's
too bad because I I think it not that we need another little, big
penet from them, but I'm curious what that team will do next. I
think quite a few people have maybe left the studio since then, so I
don't know what the future Media Molecule is. I'm fearful for the future of
them, honestly, just with the state of things right now. But I
hope they get through it in a big way, uh, in a good
way as well. And yeah, so Dreams was just such an interesting game,
and even if it didn't live up to the dream of what it seemed
like it was, I'm still very glad I picked it up and messed around
with it. And that was a game that I definitely stuck with for like
a few weeks or a few months of just like checking it out everyone and
now see what's kind of new in there. And yeah, it's been quite
a few years now since I have done that, but shout outs to Dreams
for being just this weird experiment, And that's the kind of thing that I
feel like. The PS four generation was so good from the Sony perspective of
like letting this team make this really weird experimental thing and giving them however much
money it took to develop that game, because it took so many years,
and like, that's the kind of thing that I just feel like would not
get green letting out because probably for good reason to some except but I'm still
glad that game exists and got to shine for even if it didn't shine that
bright for very long, it still got a bit of a time. But
yeah, I still remember how weird those trailers were, and that was also
a fun thing with the marketing cycle, almost like death Strandy, but in
like a different way where just like what the hell is this game? And
didn't understand it until the day it came out and I picked it up on
a whim. But yeah, shout out to Dreams. Yeah we should do
maybe jot that down for a topic some in the future of games of that
era that don't have to be a disappointment but didn't live up to the hypeshere,
like Dreams in that same category of No Man's Sky right of maybe then
should became a great a great game, and it got a fan base and
everything. But I think in that era of getting those games that were big
and delivered, when you didn't deliver, you became kind of like a laughing
stock meme for a little bit, right, and then you had to do
the comeback story, and if you didn't come backstory, you died. But
almost like what I was talking about the beginning with the games and movies sharing
that decade, the same way we talked about a whole time where there's certain
things now in Hollywood that won't get green light green lip now, right,
And I guess because the other think we don't talk about too in the story
of the four with PS five happens in the pandemic era, right where a
lot of that stuff messed up people as far as I get to work from
home, but there's only so much you could do. So yeah, I
think that falls in that category where I'm excited to see. I think it's
gonna be something that I read listracy podcast people. If they make a top
ten, it's always gonna sneak in like that nine or tenth surf because there's
like a heart felt spot to it. But I agree with you as the
length, right, because I think they announced in the PS three or or
something around that time or near the end of it, where it felt like
it was cooking for a long time, and then when it got there and
the narrative I membror was just like, oh, well, you build your
own game, Everyone's like, well, I don't want to build my own
game like you're supposed to, like you know, And then I think people
eventually got what and I've still never played by like the vibe either changed or
the people that like that found it. But maybe it was just like you
said, the audience of what was wanting that game was not as big as
support what PlayStation would want, which is great because I think they were way
like that was PS three, they were known as like the indie darlings,
right PlayStation. I'm not saying Dreams was that, but they had a whole
different vibe where now it's definitely way more corporate, which I understand, right,
because when it's not corporate, you can argue that's when people get laid
off and developers and studios get shut down, right, Because it is now
if you don't make money now, you can be in big risk of hurting
the company. So yeah, yeah, I know they had a ton of
games in that generation that were like, you know, thirty Bucks or something,
and it was like this indie game that was maybe not first party,
but some of them were. They had some smaller teams in their portfolio,
but a lot of them were like second party stuff where they would just kind
of get them as these exclusive games. And yeah, I feel like we're
probably still seeing a lot of that, but it's it's maybe more of them
working closely with PlayStation and then just like getting a paycheck to do a little
bit of exclusivity there, and it still just makes a lot more sense for
any indie studio. I guess you'd probably go to Switch first as your console
of choice if you want to get an audience, but then you'd go to
PlayStation. The next box is like way down the list just because of like
the install base and because a lot of people on that in that ecosystem are
you know, prime to not buy games anymore because they just you know,
use game pass. I'm one of those people. I still buy games,
but I definitely don't buy as many as I maybe would have otherwise. I
feel like I was gonna make another point with Dreams, but I can't remember
what it was. So why don't you take away? What's that? What's
the next game? You want to shout out here? All? Should we
just talk about the I feel like the one that we talk about hype,
there's Spider Man, but there's no moment I think they'll be as great as
when we got that trailer TIS or whatever. It's a reveal for desk stranding.
That was absolutely that was a Pinnacle point. I feel like that sold
you on a console that sold you know well. I don't think Briggs ever
bought that PS four, but Briggs was thinking about it every thing, like
oh, I'm gonna go there, And I think that was when where you
talk about Horizon and stuff. Yes, that shows all we're gonna do something
new. But that was like, okay, no consoles doing that right,
because maybe you could buy, oh, Xbox might do a futuristic dinosaur combat
game whatever, like all the other games. PlayStation was do Eing Detroit Become
Human. You go, okay, maybe they could link up with somebody.
That is what when I talk about they had that in PS four when we
talk about they had just that narrative and what you you knew what PlayStation was
when you said that name. I think des Stranding kind of define that because
same thing. Luckily it was a big enough of a hit, but it's
the same thing. And if it wasn't Kadge, it's a game that nowadays,
I don't know if would be taking the chance on right because the marketing
was so weird and so out there. And I guess I shouldn't say because
it had celebrities, but it was just even I think more so the game,
not so much the lead up, because maybe I'll change my thoughts.
It was not the lead up because I think they marketed it well. They
had all the big starts, but to make that game that at times is
just like a walking stimulator for many times you're doing nothing but just enjoying the
environment. When we live in a day and age where like like online games
and Fortnite and Call Duty or just like all those shooters, like all these
things that you live in a very fast paced world, deaf Stranding is the
antithesis of what this generation isn't. So that's very exciting and I think that's
for me It's tough for me because there's probably now exclusive we'll bring up that
I do associate the PlayStation with. But really, when I think of PS
four, death Stranding is the first thing I jumped to, right, and
that's where I you know, I'm sorry for the piece for people, but
I self should like that death Stranding too is just PS five because one it
won't be held back, but two we'll have that distinct difference. And I
think, unlike Horizon and even like Spider Man, I feel like Todale was
not going to make a sequel where there's not a distinct difference. I think
we already saw that with that first trade. There were went, okay,
this already feels like something different than def stranding. So to me, that
was the idea of Spider Man was a dream realized, but that was okay.
I didn't even this was a nightmare in a good way realized, didn't
even know this was a thing. And also for many people like Kirkland,
he eventually played. It didn't finish, of course, but there was a
big attentions of those pt people right that were felt very robbed and that wasn't
this but still was just like a and it was a big salvatory moment too,
because remember I forgot that was right before we still were in the podcast
when you had those things, because I remember I played middle Year Soult fan
of Pain, and I talked about on the podcast that was in the years
where like Konami wouldn't let him go except an award and stuff, right,
So it was like Spider Man in a different way. We were sealvatory for
like the game industry. It was like, Oh, this guy that has
made a lot of great games, now at the end of his jaw is
ten, you're been treated like trash. He comes over to PlayStation and makes
this very crazy, very different sort of game. So that just felt like
a huge, just touchdown home run, especially the trailer. But I think
when I remember specifically it switched and showed Norman Retas, that was like this
collective of oh, they're doing the thing that's where Spiderman, that they're like
the dream makers. So ill such a unique game. That game, even
if the sequel does disappoint me, that for me, on like Horizon,
I don't think it will take down my experience of Death Stranding one. I
think with Death Straining two, it could be all they took a big swing
and they missed it here where Horizon was Okay, this is more of the
same, and I didn't enjoy it to the same extent as the last time.
I don't think anything can ruin my Death Stranding one experience, because that's
something and that's something very special. So that's what I associate the PS four
with. Yeah, definitely, I mean there was just something uh yeah,
like every trailer and just wanting to rewatch those trailers over and over, looking
at all the details and trying to figure with that hell is going on with
these creatures and the baby. Like I very rarely is there a trailer that
just like hits me in that way, like I feel like for Spelunky or
like GTA five maybe, or like Star Feeling. Some trailers I'm like,
Okay, I'm looking at every detail. I'm like rewind and watching them again,
and Death Stranding was one of those. For me. It's got to
be up there for like video game trailers that I've watched over and over again.
Trailers in general, to me, do you show movies that's like,
uh yeah, maybe we should do that on Brandon Better Top ten trailers in
general, because that to me, like the anticipation the music, because remember
it's like a black screen. It's just like that, like it's the music
starting up. It's like that was just like and again that's why I think
it just needs to make a movie, because he knows he has those sensibilities
of like a comic con trailer. So oh absolutely, I mean even's it
gets a bit more interesting now for me too, just after I've been actually
going back and playing Meddle Gear Solid after all these years and seeing how cinematic
those early games are and seeing like, yeah, how much he just is
in love with with film and camera angles and all these things. So to
go back and like think about what des Stranding is now kind of playing it
and reverse is really fun as well. But yeah, as you said earlier,
like just not even knowing until launch day, until I was playing the
game, and probably not even for a few hours in because the first like
three hours are like all cut scenes, not even knowing what the gameplay was,
what the minute to minute stuff was. And I watched different things,
and I remember at one point kind of close to launch, I think they
did like a fifteen minute longer gameplay thing and I only watched like a snippet
of it because I wanted to be surprised, But yeah, it's still is
a game that I've never played a game quite like it. In terms of
the gameplay, Yes, there is, you can have guns, and it
could be a third person shooter, and it's kind of like other stealth games
you've played. But then yeah, just like this management aspect to it,
He's like, you never see that kind of gameplay from a triple A level
studio with this kind of fidelity. Usually that's like maybe an indie game is
like focusing so much on like what it's like to carry equipment around. But
I was like, no, this is like this huge budget game that took
what is maybe this kind of very simple gameplay but then like cranking it up
a notch and adding so many cool things on top of it that yeah,
I'll like forever be a Death Stranding fan. That's a game that, just
like Age is like a fine wine for me and some of these other games
like Detroit or Horizon or maybe I'm like, I don't know, the love
kind of slowly fades away as time passes on Death Stranding, and my love
just grows, and I'm sure the I'm sure the sequel will be something weird
and different, and it will be better in some ways and worse in other
ways. But yeah, I think it'll just be adding to that greater world
of this. This such a strange ip that I just can't get enough of.
And the actor, yeah, the actor reveals all the trailers were so
exciting as well. Yeah, remember we got mad Michelson, Like that wasn't
the call, that wasn't the three to one, but that was downline that
was in the era of us all coming off Hannibal he was and other stuff,
and it was just felt like like Spider Man and that that like all
these are like the geet first games, like they're made for us there.
So yeah, shout outs to Death Stranding. Let's see, how about we
let's take a quick break. Actually, we'll be right back and we'll get
into more PS four. Goodness, okay, we are back. Next up,
I want to shout out the next kind of combo of games that to
me is similar but opposite to how I feel about Horizon and the Spider Man
duo, which is the god of war games. So I think it was
also twenty eighteen, which now think of back in on Man Detroit, Spider
Man and God of War. They could have held back a bit, they
could have they went hard. But yeah, having that that game come out
and I didn't play it at launch, even though all those tragglers were great,
there was another fun hype cycle to watch and I just love that snowy
setting of those giants and like, man, what is this tone? This
is so different from those very Arcadie early games. But yeah, finally when
doing the retro kind of leading into the second game, finally playing through that
game and like not loving it that much. Like the game played for me,
the level design was not doing it, and like the Puzzles story was
like pretty good, but that was kind of the one thing I was clinging
onto. But I had that second effect where God of War Ragnarok just like
dialed everything up to another level. The gameplay I had a lot more variety
to it, the areas and locations were more iconic. I didn't love the
Puzzles still, but it just like overall the gameplay of it was much better,
and then the story was just like I'm gonna say four to five times
better. It's very random metric, but it just so good. The characters,
the acting, and the amount of stuff that was going on it was
I think a bit longer too, so you got to steep in some of
these things more, some really great iconic moments I still remember, and I
know you still haven't got around to Ragroong, So we kind of maybe opposite
the effectives here because I know you love twenty eighteen, but yeah, how
do you how do you feel about that now that it's been yeah, six
years since you've played that one. Yeah, that's a different one because yeah,
the sequel, there's another one too. When you talk about games that,
hey you gotta play that, Yeah, well watch like and that's the
thing where it's on my list. So that's the thing where a hey if'
sun elm ring that could be up there, because especially nowadays, I feel
like there's probably some cheap sales. That's a good thing about the PlayStation games.
Eventually, once they're around for like three years, they're you know,
I think sarahs has I think he. I think he actually bought like my
PS four copy off me, So you could probably that and then just like,
hey, the ten dollars fee to get the upgrade version or just play
that version of your Yeah, I'm sure it plays pretty well, so yeah,
it's true. So yeah, that game for me. I I've said
this manytime in all podcasts like despite you know, we were talking about the
Gauntlet on the Originals and check out our discord was fun reminiscing about that.
But like, I don't like like the the browie genre things. I'm not
a car guy. I'm not the most sports you know, so that's where
God a War those original games always fell in that genre of like this and
it's weird because I like professional wrest and I just see this big jacked up
guy with the naked grub just like I don't know, like this is this
is kind of tacking. I mean it just it just wasn't my and I
played the games, but I never finished anything. I just not for me.
I have other games that interest me. So that is just it's still
talking about def stranding as the ultimate way to advertise game. That is like
the ultimate way to me to revitalize a franchise, because I won't say the
franchise was dead, but it felt very much not that no one cared.
It just felt like he was a weird spot of kind of like unfortunately,
I thought they're gonna do with Halo, and even with Gears, you get
to point where it's like, what more can you do with it? Right?
And we kind of get that even with Mario every once in a while.
But then they put out some new version of the game and go,
oh, they figured out a way to crack the code or there's this new
gimmick to it where it's tough with something it's like a Halo And it got
where like, how do you revitalize this hacking slash just very kind of just
beasty type of game, right, But they found a way where one it
wasn't hacking slash. You still got to keep those aspects of you are hacking
slashing, but it's a different kind of combat system. In two, it
did the one eighty of Okay, this is a very just gatorade, you
know, Vin Diesel filled like you're just gonna love action movie too. It
got like the logan treatment of we're gonna slow it down, We're gonna take
our time and tell a big story and it's gonna be a lot more somber
and funny enough somehow like it's maybe if it came out with this generation,
you get a bunch of oh, it's woke and whatnot, but it just
like captured all the same still fans and then brought on new ones. So
to me, it's a game that and the sequel just came out at a
bad time. It's one of those like I love the game, but I
same thing thought like oh do I not that I do I need more?
But it's almost like the Horizon thing of like it's just gonna be a bit
more the same and I've already felt filled enough. So for me, it's
like a thing where I thought, Okay, I'll get to it avention and
then I've heard great things about it again, so it will be on the
list. But for me it's just the peak of how do you? And
maybe that's another topic two one day of revitalization and games, but that to
me is it's not the top one. It's the top three as far as
like bringing back a franchise fresh coat of paint and working to a big degree.
And yeah, I had a great time with it. I agree with
you. The settings nice, I love the characters and for me, just
as usual that acts is very satisfying. The gameplay with it, the mechanics
so very very fun time and just another landmark period for them, because I
think that was again touching back to Okay, if you used to love Sony,
we're not leaving in the waistside, right, So yeah, definitely,
next up, let's jump over to Ghost of Tsushima. So I think this
was really one of the last ones in terms of what we're talking about here,
in terms of like that strictly PS four generation. I'm trying to well,
I guess Last Us Part two would have come out after afterwards. Now
now I'm testing my calendar skills here. I think Last of Us too was
after go. So I think they were in the same summer though, right,
the same the same thing. They were pretty close. I want to
say here, I'll do something. I feel like Ghosts was like in the
June era and Last of Us was like in the August September era. I
could be wrong. I just remember being a hot summer and playing them both.
Yeah, let's see, yeah, June for Last of Us and then
oh so maybe it's flipped actually June and the July. Wow, were they
really that close? Yeah, I guess they were. That's actually crazy.
I definitely, I definitely don't remember that being that close. No, I
remember being close, but not that close, but that that's incredible, so
that that you're right though, that's really is like as far as the big
tier titles, when the last, if not the last one for the PlayStation
five so or places four. Yeah, I know I've been doing it too.
Yeah. Yeah. Ghost is a weird one as well, where the
first couple of trailers that we got to those iconic E three presentations were really
atmospheric. Obviously the visuals really stood out, but it's like what is this
game the first couple of times, and then eventually we saw a little bit
more and like, Okay, we're seeing the action of this, but like,
I still don't really know what the structure of this game is. And
then I do have the distinct memory of like a couple of weeks or maybe
it was a month before launch, they had like a fifteen minute state of
play where it's just like here's here's the rundown, here's how this game works.
And that's where we saw like, oh, okay, it's got the
open world structure, you got this map. You know, it's you're going
for your icons. You got the wind that's chasing into these different icons instead
of this classic you know line on the map sort of thing, and that's
when it's like, Okay, I finally see what this game is, and
so it may be is something that we've kind of seen before, but still
like that setting of it. The visuals were fantastic. But then yeah,
I just the gameplay is what did it for me so much. I just
that combat system is so good, the variety, the different stances, all
the different unlocks for it, and then even just like how it evolved over
time, a similar situation as Horizon or Spider Man where I didn't really love
the Ekey Island DLC. But Legends was an amazing update and that came out
so soon after launch, I remember, and it was a surprise. We
didn't know about it before launch, and it was like, here's this online
mode that we're putting out there. Check it out. It's free, go
check it out. Why not? And then it was just amazing to me.
You played a ton of that, and I didn't want to go back.
Every once in a while, I'm like, man, I want to
go back and play some more Legends because it was so good, just all
the different modes, the leveling up, the different classes, and then eventually
they added like the costumes, from like different PlayStation characters too, right,
I remember that was a fun thing. So yeah, I look back on
my time with Ghost's Shima very fondly, even if that DLC didn't less seriously
a sour note, but it didn't really enhance my experience beyond like how much
I love that Bass game, I suppose, so it felt weird to kind
of come back to it and not really be blown away. But yeah,
that that game is just amazing. Yeah, for me, it's one of
those things where we talk about this like you brought Assassin's Screed you can name,
and Watchdogs, you can name, all these different kind of third world
games that like a Jedi phone order that have happened, yeah, a third
person yeah, third person kind of open world games that have happened since the
start of you in the PS four and then up to the end of it.
Right, But this, to me was the degree of doing all those
things to other than probably what people might argue with Zelda to the best degree,
because Zelda has different things going on with Breath the while, but in
the generation that's not a Nintendo or the consoles that aren't, I feel like
it's all those things that you want smoothened or straight that you talk about the
clunky gameplay, maybe it's some of those ubisaft things. You weren't getting that
here right, And that's one thing that this game did too as well.
It was just the atmosphere, you know, I talked about how we want
to jump back in Ell Ring. That's one of the things I love.
It's just the atmosphere of that world, right Like the second you see a
screenshot, it takes you right back to Okay, I know where I was.
We're even horizon. I get them like a little bit, but not
as much were ghost just whether it was the music, whether it was the
tone, the vibe, the colors, you get brought back right away.
Same thing like I'm never gonna forget in legends that like Boat mat that we
go all the time where there's like a sunken boat and you got that's one
of the spots you gotta defend. And there's lots of iconography like that.
So again, I don't think it's like one of the all time greatest games,
and even PS five, I'm not sure maybe will be a listening it
won't be, but I think it just did a lot of things very very
well, and yeah, that's the narrative too. I always remember is just
the we had like the anti build up because it looked pretty. But I
remember you and me were very I think Tyler and Liam were really hyped on,
but you were like, I don't know, like what they like.
It looks nice, but whatever the s And I feel like since then,
I've seen a lot of games that come out that have that Ninja Samurai asthetic
that end up maybe being good, but still have not hit the barometer of
what came out just a few weeks ago, right, Yeah, and I
feel like it's that two point zero or something. Yeah, and I just
feel like the conversation goes away quickly where ghosts, I feel like that's stuck
around for a bit. So yeah, very they're kinda pivot from that studio
too, Maybe not as big of a pivot as kill Zone to Horizon.
I don't know if that would be as big as what was there. Infamous
would have been their game. I feel like kill Zone Horizons probably bigger,
right, because at least Infamous is like third person type. There's some some
movements that'd be similar. You kind of have a vertical slice. Oh,
we've been here before, but it kill Zone. That's something completely else,
you know, mm hmmmm. I had two down in here for you in
particularly of course last was Part two and then until Dawn. I don't know
if you really associate that as a PS four game, but I think you
probably do. I do absolutely because it didn't. Yeah, it's going to
remake now. I'm sure it's been on other things now. But I feel
like it was that exclusive at the time, right it is, because for
me, I think that was. I'd have to look at the list,
but I think that was the first PlayStation exclusive that ill because it was earlier
on in the generation, right, it was one of those, so I
feel like it was. It's something that I still really want to get into
the quarry. I have the same thing that came out in a summer where
had games. Yeah, and that's why I saw that. I've heard some
multiplayer stuff, so I think maybe next year because i'd probably play them,
be as me and her played a lot of Fria thirteen. And there's another
game i'd associate with you talk about games associated Friday thirteen, the Mad Max.
Those are two with the PlayStation era that I and and and another one
too is the uh, the Arkham Night Game, the third Batman game,
because that was a big deal and I just remember many I took them a
lot of sick days and many hours of just playing that to its completion.
But until Don, yeah, I had a fun time. That for me
is a I then in a brighter spot than Detroit Become Human because I think
it is to choose your own adventure game, so it can have lessing less
return sometimes, but that one just I ended up having more fun with and
I had more enjoyment with overall, because I think Detroit Become Humans goes for
some bigger swings and then that way you can also miss. But until Don
Ye, absolutely I won't be picking up the remastered because like unless you unless
you haven't played it, then I highly recommend it. But some of the
changes and things, it's like, it doesn't look like I've needed this,
but uh no, I think it would. It was very fun, cool
game, and it kind of kicked off a whole studio. They've done lots
of different things that you know have worked a varying degrees or not, but
definitely that one and yeah, Last of Us too, that is gonna always
be my most conflicted of the PS five you can go back. That was
one of our bigger reviews because I think that game had a lot of conversation
points and people all over the place, and uh yeah, I remember the
highs and highs and loose lows that Tom sums Man is still again one of
the greatest stories. And then Truck and that was that summer because I remember
with Ghost of Shima it was super hot and I just remember being like sweaty
playing that game and then going through hours and hours of being like upset with
the game, like I'm sweating, I'm playing this game. I was in
a place where we didn't have central acs. I'm like, oh my god,
like and I wanted to finish it. So but it's still like a
kind of a masterclass in the sense of many people are have it ranked as
number one, and it does a lot of things that did change up stuff
from the first one and story wise and clearly, you know, luckily for
the TV shows work too, like it's like Last of Us as somehow there's
been many I'd love to see what the argument is, like I feel like
it's either that I got a ward. What is defined PlayStation from PS four
to PS five on it is like, what's its biggest game, because with
Spider Man and Death Stranding, I couldn't say that, right, there's aspects
to it Spider I can't for sales, but I just mean like it's identity.
And I still like edge it to Last of Us a little bit because
I feel like Last of Us won made them win that era at the end
and sells PS three and I feel like Last of Us too brought a lot
of people on and even though there were some people are negative on it,
tons of people loved that game as well. So it's uh, and we're
probably going the third one. We're not getting the multiplayer one anymore, but
that's probably for the best. But uh yeah, like I think that takes
a crown for that was the most anticipated of that era, what people were
really waiting for. It feels like a very dark Knight to Batman McGinn's or
endgame to Infinity War, where that first game was so huge and for me,
I delivered for the most part with some some kinks in there. So
yeah, that's a point because when we look at these like Horizon, Spider
Man, Detroit, Death Stranding, God of War, Ghost as Human,
these are all kicking off new things or like you know, Spider Man's an
established character, but it's like it's the new iteration of it. And so,
yeah, you're right, that is that was kind of the maybe the
biggest hype cycle in and of itself, just because it did have that first
game and it, you know, one of those games was literally like a
top ten all time or just for the whole industry across the board, right,
Yeah, and that's why to me, it was so big. When
those leaks happened, that was a massive story for weeks. You know,
that was bad for them, but that was just like that was everwhere that
was being covered by everybody. That was one of the worst cases, like
even grand theft out of those leaks. That was big. But it's like
we still don't know specific story points or so much show stuff to show where
that was just and that's where I think that shows how big that game was
because people were after that game trying to just take it down or just show
it off, and it was a it was a big story unfortunately. So
yeah, I had a list of some other just shout outs of games that
I either played a very small small amount of or didn't play that I think
are worthy of shouting out as just big PS four games. There was the
other ones on your list that we haven't mentioned yet. No, I think
I hit it with the Man Max Batman and you know what you talked about
Outlast two or just sorry out Last two to because I'm always gonna think about
that's one of the first games I got on PlayStation Plus. I didn't have
a PS three. I'd heard about PlayStation Plus. That's when that was a
great service. You know, of course got eclipsed by game Pass eventually,
but like for what it was, that was so many games that I played
through there that were really great and like they had great offerings and like games
coming out pretty close to release and sometimes even the same time as released.
Yeah, and you know what a mini shout out to war Zone because war
Zone that's where called duty because that's like, yeah, I ended up getting
back into call duty in the PS four era, which was not really planned.
Is free They all try because you know, Buck Taylor and whatnot and
uh and and another thing just not like to be general, but just games
in general. Because of that, and there's other things when I had to
scroll through and find some stuff in the Gauntlet videos like ps. That always
jumps to mind too is lots of just multiplayer games and stuff of just downloading
random games. So that's the thing I associated to. It's just that era
of us in the Custardome just be in there for hours and recordings. But
yeah, I think those are the main non exclusive ones. If I think
of any, I'll bring them up. I think I hit that's and I
guess kind of the shadow of war games a bit like I don't associate them,
but like I played a lot of those on there, so mm hmm,
okay, so some shout outs. PT of course, of course is
a big deal. Of course, not an official game. You can't go
play it nowadays, so it's a weird one, going to always exist in
obscurity, but worthy of shout out. I think there was a new Ration
client game, if I assume there was, there was, Yeah, yeah,
there's exclusive. Yeah it was, Yeah, Infamous had it's I believe
the sequel was. It was a new game there, Final Fantasy seven remake.
I remember both me and you checked out the the demo that they had,
which was, you know, really solid. Still have gone and played
the full game Uncharted four that was a big PS four game as well,
Day's Gone. I think this is out of the ones i'm listening here,
Day's Gone is the biggest one where I still do really want to go and
check that game out, and I wonder, I'm wondering, I'm trying to
think back into that time why I didn't end up picking it up at launch,
because I feel like I was pretty hyped on it, and those trailers
were also amazing. They were in that same ballgame as the rest of these
other big games that we're talking about, ebe on like a slightly lower tier,
but I still thought some of those trailers, like that first one with
like one hundred zng he's climbing up to him in the farmhouse thing like that
was a wild scene. So I don't know why I've never actually gone gotten
around to it yet. I think it was one of those I feel like
the release date was bad time wise for us as far as like a busy
summer with other games and movies, and I think it was just the general
reception was kind of like it's all right, and then I think the redemption
of it came later where people it's defenders, going, no, this is
really fun game. So I think it was just a coumble of man reception
and it came out. I just remember that summer. It was like with
Dick about twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen. Oh yeah, well no, that
was a big summer for us too. I guess too. There's tons of
I can't even come on the spring of so, and when did marm Alliance
come out? Was that twenty nineteen? That it was July twenty nineteen.
Yes, I just feel like I just remember that and that was the the
end game. Like, I just feel like twenty eighteen was very busy for
us. I think that was just like I was probably still deeah because I
guess if that was the timeline, then Smash just came out in December.
I was you were traveling too, summer, Yeah, I feel like that's
all I was doing. Yeah, yeah, and you were traveling as well
too, so I was probably away in that in that month. Actually.
Yeah, I just remember nineteen was you know, luckily that blew up the
podcast and that that gave a lot of opportunities. But I just remember nineteen
being a specifically very like you're busy hereo. Yeah, So I'd like to
one day maybe if we ever go through a lack of content. I don't
know if it's on that PlayStation catalog thing. No, they were few,
Yeah, and there's lots of beef because I remember that when the Ghost of
Skushima sales hit a certain landmark and PlayStation was like giving all these accolades.
I remember the creator of the game being like, oh, we hit this
a long time ago and we didn't get any accolades. So yeah, I
feel like it was done. I was left. I think, yeah,
I don't think it was. I think it's like for them in general,
looked at it as like a dark mark, which is kind of kind of
weird. Yeah, other games. Hell Blade, it was at the time
a console exclusive. Now of course it's owned by x Bogs and its own
game pass, and the sequel is I think that. I don't think the
sequel is coming to PlayStation, definitely not. I don't think so. Had
interesting to see that kind of shift over time. Persona. I think got
a couple of big releases there in the PS four era. Order eighteen eighty
six is when I've never played. Always heard big things about Bloodborne is of
course like huge, what's up? You've heard things about or sixty six.
I just heard as different and interesting and like worthy of mentioned. I suppose,
I don't know if people would put in their top ten and maybe in
their top twenty with the PS four because it's such a strong console. Yeah,
Bloodborne is one I've played like five hours of it. I think I
just played it too soon after Dark Soul three, which was a game that
just blew me away and was like all I was playing for like two months
there with me and you know, the other boys at the Custardome there,
and so I think I just played it too soon after that, and so
I kind of bound off of it. But of course most people would put
that in like their top three, probably for PS four generation. It's a
it's a big deal, but maybe a little blind spot for us. And
then what about metal Gear Solid five? What does that? What does that
do for you in retrospect? Yeah, it's one of those. It's in
a weird spot because I really enjoyed I actually I loved it. I think
it's one of those that the hype got me at the beginning of Like I
think when we did our top ten cast, I had it in like the
bottom ten, but I was like, I don't know about that now,
but I think it's also shrouded with a lot of bad stuff that happened there
too, because it's one of those you're enjoying and playing it, but then
the same time you hear about like this guy wants to leave this company in
they're holding a hostage contractually, and you're like, oh, like you feel
a little but like really fun game. Like if I made a PS four
top ten of my personal games, it would definitely be up there, even
included like just overall games, Mendocer Goal Metal Metal Solid Gear games all have
a special metal gear Solid I'll have a special place in my heart somewhere or
another. A lot of those are just nostaligia, but no, really really
fun game with a lot of I love. I wish there's more. We
talk about humor in some review, but I love the there's a dynamic where
you can kidnap people and take them back to your pace and you make them
work for you and you can strain them like, oh, I need a
tech guy. Oh I need a weapons guy, and I'm waiting for that
to be in some other games. So it sounds like a Watchdog's Legion.
Yeah, there you go, I got a reason to put that high on
the list. Yeah. Cool, uh okay, let's we'll make our little
top five here of our our our top of the stack. I remembered what
I was gonna say about Dreams is I feel like Dreams if it released today
in like the current PlayStation ecosystem where they're more open to having things on PC
and even like hell Divers too day and date PC and console, I actually
feel like that would have been really good for Dreams. It's crazy that the
game never did come out on PC because that would have been just such a
better way for people to make games a lot more efficient than like a console,
like using a controller, I would imagine even if the game was built
around it. But I think if it did launch day and date with PC
and console and it didn't have that kind of integration, I think it could
have been bigger and better than what it was. So that was what I
wanted to shout out. But all to say that I don't think Dreams is
making the top five. I feel like Death Stranding has got to be in
there. Yeah, Ghost of Sushima has got to be in there. So
are we making this as our personal like you it's me and you. It's
me and you. I think, yeah, and are are we just having
five? Were they ranked? As far as I go, we'll rank them.
We'll get the five first and then we'll rank them. Okay, okay,
because I think stranding is pretty pretty high up there. It's got a
good case for Yeah, what I guess I would put Spider Man just you
know, above miles and I would just put just put that one in there.
I think. I think where we might find this difficult is God of
War because I would love to see Ragnrock in there, but you would love
to see twenty eighteen in there. So we're kind of at a standstill.
It's gonna be tricky, Yeah, I guess, because it's it's difficult because
we could I guess we could do the loophole of saying Ragnrock is a not
That's what I was gonna say, because it was in the PS that weird
era, right, But then maybe we just do that. Maybe we just
do that. But then would you even put God of War? I say,
have it as a contender right now, but see if there's any five
like pure PS fours, because I would have it, I think up there.
But if there's one more we could agree on then yeah, yeah,
I mean Horizon. I think I still would put it in that talk y
Yeah. If I if I can just take myself back to that era and
just be okay what I think about, then absolutely. Yeah. So that
that leaves us only one more spot than if we're doing a top five.
So one more because we got des stranding ghosts, Spider Man and Horizon ghost
Yeah. Yeah, so leaving us with possibilities of Detroit, the God of
Wars. We talked about Last of Us Part two. I guess MGS five
would be another one that we could consider. I would. I would that
was exclusive though I don't think was it not. No, I should have
said that. No, that wasn't That was at the time I think Konami
was. It was like a big deal, like, oh, Middle Gears
Salts coming over to place. Huh right, there's an Xbox version, right,
Yeah. The literally the first image is like an Xbox three sixty case
with it, which is beauciate that very much with the PlayStation thing the series
has been. Yeah, so that's why it was that time that and Final
Fantasy were going over. So it's changed. Well, that makes it easier
than that's obviously not a good tender here or they of a showed up though
as a association. So yeah, I mean, I it's weird, like
I would be fine with the Last of Us sneaking in there as the other
slot because I don't care as much for twenty eighteen out of War. Yeah,
but I'm also fine with it just because of like, I don't know,
it's still a good game. I still like the story of it,
even if it's, you know, overall maybe not one of my top dogs.
I think those ones would make it over. Detroit is kind of what
I'm doing. I do too, even though like we might have a more
common base on that one together. There is just something weird about having to
like I wouldn't feel right about that. If we die in fifty years from
now, if someone finds Geek first, they're going through side quests like,
oh, they put Detroit become you and in there top five blood Borne.
Ah yeah, souls fans be so mad at The only reason I would have
elect God a War over Last of Us is because Last of Us two I'm
more positive on. But you can't deny that has not critically, but I
say, fan wise a big split, so you could argue, hey,
there's tons of people that might not even put in the top ten, right
some of those choices. And two, I feel like you can also argue
that the bigger thing for Last of Us could be Last of Us one in
the PS three, where if you're making that top five, that's a definitive
game, not saying Last of Us Part two isn't, But I feel like
ones more definitive. We're God of War is more definitive, like we said,
in a way where it revitalized something and at least it gets you to
the bridge of the game you like as well, right like two like it
starts at things, and like I said, I don't know. I don't
think anyone's done a revitalization as good as what they did yet. I think
people have been close and they've tried it, but no one has I think
achieved the hype and then also falling up the game, because I think it's
two things. Either the hype's not there and the game is really good and
underrated, or the hype is really there. And then I think Halo is
a good example of people are really exciting this could be something new and nothing
really came of it, right, They got more negative feedback than anything,
and it didn't take the God of War products. People are just kind of
hoping that of like, oh, maybe they'll take note for what God of
War did, and it didn't happen. So I I think I would put
God of War over Last of Us on the our top five list. I've
just wrote this down on my kind of random topics for sidequists. I would
love to go back and look at like what are the best kind of reboots
or like reimaginings of a game. I think that would be interesting to take
away. Should do that, Yeah, because there's because there's not like Zelda,
But like Zelda's always been a series that is always evolving and changing,
and so even when Bretha of Wild comes out, it is something different for
the series. It doesn't feel like it doesn't feel as big of a Lendmark
kind of change than like God of War does, even if like on paper,
it technically is from like I guess Skyrid Sword. Yeah, it does
feel distinctly different, something exactly like what is it? Maybe we'll try and
time that if either one if we have no topics, or two if we
ever get something about Fable, you know, because that's like, yeah,
that's a great potential contenders. We'll see how that game. Yeah, Like,
I think there's a difference between a continuation of a franchise versus kind of
the reboots that I kind of agree with you, Riselda Mario. They're kind
of in that thing where they might take a long break, but that's kind
of a given, right, you're kind of, oh, they're gonna take
off their like off the gas where something a couple of years ago, like
Doom. Like, to me, that's really like, in a sense,
like a reboot bringing it back, redoing a big coat of paint. That's
where it's like, okay, that had their verse. If I don't think
the hype was there at the beginning, but once the game came out,
it really built up. So yeah, I definitely trot that down because I
think there's fun things and we can even debate that, like what's the reboot
versus reimagine? But God of War definitely to me, is like a it's
a yeah, of course it's a sequel and they take place. But if
you can play a game that has nothing to do with the other ones and
kind of jump on, you're definitely in the reboot category, and that's got
a warm m. So I think with that, I mean it makes sense
then that God of War would be in that fifth slot because we had to
debate to get it on there. I'm with you. I think Death Stranding
for me and you, for Dylan Muss and Travis s New like Death Stranding
is the number one. That game just almost completely worked for us. I
know that was another divisive one like Last of Us in a way, maybe
in a different way, but still divisive. Yeah, but we love the
gameplay, we love the story, we love how silly it can be at
times, love the horror elements of it. Like everything freaking works in that
game for me, and I just yeah, even all these years later,
I still love it just as much as I feel like I did then.
So I feel like that's a slam dunk number one for Yeah. I think
if it was something else that we differed on, like on the review,
but I remember the excitement of talking about that in the lead up, So
I think that's summer one with a bullet So and then I kind of feel
like Ghost of Sashima sneaks into number two for me because you have Spider Man
and Horizon as the other ones. I think for Horizon it's definitely above it.
Spider Man, it's close, but I think it's Legends that pushes it
over the top there, because that's just like offers this other kind of experience
with it and kind of gave me revitalization with it. But then again it's
just like a great open world. Love that wind mechanic once again, the
combat of it. And I think, you know, if we look at
Spider Man versus Ghosts, like they both kind of have maybe similar story issues
with the story is good, but it's like not the thing that's elevating that
like a death stranding like a god of war. So I think that would
be my number two. But I'm not offended if Spider Man takes the number
two slot. How do you feel, I think you made a good point
of what the addition of Legends, because I think I would have pushed back
a little bit of a I think just for some hypeness and things. If
the Spider Man DLC it maybe was better than it was, maybe that would
it could have been the thing that pushes it back over top. Yeah,
So I think I and not that I'm like, oh, man, outrageous
that ghosts like, I think that one's a very down the middle. Give
me one day to think about it. Might go each different route like ten
that ten times right, But I think legends agree with you. That pushes
it over the top to make that number two. So that leaves our list
that God of War number five. Horizons are done at four. Spider Man
twenty eighteen. Number three ghost is Streman number two, Death Stranding number one.
You're happy with that? Yeah, And I think that that's like a
safest I think if I ever see that, they might go like, oh,
deaf Stranding, that that would be touch on it. Yeah, But
I think that's also a game that I think people I think, like Last
of Us two haters, when they see people praise that, they go,
how could they do that? But I think lots of people will look at
deak Stranding and it's divisive, but I think they always go away that oh
that just wasn't for me, you know, like that's the weird game.
But it's also like I get why people like that game, but I don't
were last Off. It's like, you did, this is the character,
you put it in this chronological orders. But I think de stranding people know.
It's like, it's not like it's weird calling that a cult game,
because I feel like that's more of an independent game. But for anything that's
like a Triple A game, it has like a cult status in a way
of Okay, the people that love that game really enjoy that game. Or
even this time ago around, I remember this trailer for two many people It's
be like I don't get it, and I'm not getting this game, you
know, like I still understand why people are hype for this, and I
go, oh, well, you know, I'm there, So yeah,
I Trevior's this was so much fun. I feel like I haven't really got
to rave about PlayStation A wide. It's not like playing the games, and
like I haven't gone back to anything recently, so it's really fun to kind
of be back. You know, this This puts me back a few years.
This takes me back to the Kolodna era of like playing some of these
games. So that was that was very fun discussion to have any any closing
thoughts on the PS four here, not that we could never talk about PS
four Bring whatever we want, but no, it was a fun. It
was fun to dip back it was fun to look at that air because that's
you know, the bread and butter when podcasts for us with starting in.
Like I said, I don't think it's the same Like even me and kirking
out the PS five, I don't know if it's that same type of I
don't look back at the PS five yet it is this all changing thing I
look at. It's like, Okay, still got great games, having a
great time. I'm happy with my purchase. It's not like, oh what
a bus not that there could be a whole others still ago to like if
you're buying a y plat game, like you're still gonna get it on PlayStation
over Xbox, right, that's kind of your yes and no. I actually
lean towards no, just because the space. That's why, though only purely
because the space because Xbox. I think I've Bonn four like Star Wars jediphone
order. Oh like the hard drive space you mean hard drive space is purely
just because the Xbox was bigger than the PlayStation. So that's why I went
that. I got Call of Duty on there, which is taking up all
that for Yes, call Duty is the big thing there. But yeah,
so I don't think the PS five will look back as falling because there's not
as defining moments like you just talked about. They have a whole year where
hey, we don't have a game coming out where that didn't happen before.
Right, So hopefully the second half, I mean, des Ryan two is
gonna be a big one for us. But will Raine and some other stuff.
This'll see. I'm sure we'll get some some good bangers here. I'm
excited for Rain. Yeah, that could be what expier Man was this chang
because I don't think Experiment two is that. I think that was just keep
people happy, right, and it sold some more consoles, you know,
I get it. Yeah, Okay, yeah, thank you everyone for listening.
This is a very fun, kind of impromptu topic and episode. But
yeah, we'll be back next week as we always are. Thank you for
listening. We'll see again next time, but bye. Passed