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The o'chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall
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you. I now most of the
most adorated boys and in all media,

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Chuck o' shelley. You can control
a man for a period with through violence,

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but you cannot fully own a man
unless he thinks your word is law

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that he must obey, and his
virtue was for doing so. We are

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losing money a little more every month
that goes behy with with no window in

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sight and make nonsense weakness, and
they are gonna smell blood like a gator

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to chum. They're gonna kill us
both. Misteriscon said, this man is

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a member of a worker. I
think he can help us your knitt because

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people get people. My name is
mister Smith. As of this, nay

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more, you are now all free, free at last, who now all

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all in this together? This plantation
will run on equality. I've created something

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called Jones Plantation Crests. We're gonna
keep them up to their ears and there

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Jimmy Jack will now being charged of
our new security ty to protect this plantation

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that to serve all of you YouTube. We're gonna have a little context to

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see who can win the hearts and
minds of the human livestock ones most people

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are. We might to wild real
power. You must be willing to do

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what most considered unthinkable, but most
people consider to be unthankable. Is that

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man like herest it's our greatest advantage
as freebie. We're not free finals like

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they have tricked to. It's to
thinking, that's choosing your own massa.

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It's the same as being free.
You offer them a truth that they don't

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want. They want to feel safe
thing. No, that's my pasion.

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Every man does their freedom for freedom
isn't free. I'm Nathaniel Jones, and

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I prove this message. God bless
you, and God bless this gloys to

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loose. Okay, for those on
the live stream, letting you know that

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you're just listening to or yeah,
on the live stream you're listening to if

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you're watching the video. You saw
it the preview for a movie about Jones's

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plantation. You might have heard that
phrase before. You might have seen a

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cartoon about it before. But I
only recently saw the movie. Now I'm

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gonna find out from somebody who helped
put that movie out there, somebody who

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well, there's a story, But
I'm gonna let him tell it. I

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kind of know it already. I
don't want to spoil anything. I don't

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want to spoil the movie for you, but if you're not familiar with Jones's

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plantation, at first, it's a
little jarring, it's a little odd.

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It looks like a period piece.
It definitely smacks somewhere in between independent and

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corporate looking film. It looks pro
enough that you're not sure if you're looking

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at Netflix or you know, or
something that Amazon might have paid for.

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Maybe not super high budget, but
high enough. There's plenty of people,

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there seems to be a nice backdrop. There's definitely some artistic intent in it.

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But is it fully polished? No, and I think that was intentional.

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I'm gonna find out though, right
now, because I've got this guy

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with us now. I don't want
to butcher your name and I get mine

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butchered all the time. I got
a feeling that you and I, uh

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might share some ancestry somewhere, so
I'm gonna let you give your full name.

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But Drew, this is great.
I want to talk to you about

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this. This is uh, this
is something I want to point people to.

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It doesn't cost that much to get
it. It's well worth getting.

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Don't just get the previews and that
crappy weird thing that somebody slug together on

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YouTube and I think they took down. There was a weird like bootleg thing

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up there for a minute. I
don't know if you know about that,

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Drew. Yeah, we've been we've
been smacking stuff down since we got Going.

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I love this, I love Yeah, it's okay ever since you got

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Going. Look, it's great that
the information gets out there. I'm sure

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you want people to steal your preview, but not the movie. Okay,

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go get the movie the right way, and I'm sure Drew is going to

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tell us how to do that.
Also, if you're looking at the video

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on rock Fin, you'll see in
the background behind Drew an interesting poster there.

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I love this story. Do me
a favor. Introduce yourself to the

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listeners of the Ochelli Effect. We
started a little weird tonight. Usually I

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give an introduction and all this,
and instead we just played the trailer a

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little different. So, but then
again, it's deserving of the film we're

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going to discuss here. I'm only
going to try and keep you for about

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an hour. Even though we started
a little late, but this is something

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that we could discuss for the next
two days, no problem. So first,

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please introduce yourself to us, tell
us about your film company, what

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it is that you do, generally
speaking, and then we'll get into the

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history of this particular piece of work, because this is a piece of work,

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so good go ahead, Drew.
You just take the floor and explain

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first who you are, however it
is you want to describe yourself. I

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know you're a filmmaker, et cetera, but I'd rather you do the introduction

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to the audience because you and I
have never sat down and talked before.

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So go ahead. Hey, thanks
for having me. My name is Andrew

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Treglia. Surprised as you butcher my
name. Since you got to tell you

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in the last name, you should
be able to know Chelly. That's easy.

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Yeah, but if you think it's
easy, but it's not. And

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I was gonna say Treglia, but
I wasn't sure because some people make you

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get rid of the g depends on
what region they're from, so it could

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be Trelia, could be yeah too
if I want to sound pretentious, but

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it's Treglia. See what American?
Yeah, ethickly cleansed American. It's Treglia.

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Yeah. I directed and produced and
edited the film, among other jobs.

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And yeah, it's a weird intro
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No, definitely. And the film
is jarring too. I want to prepare

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you for this, guys. This
is It's smooth, but it's not smooth.

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Okay, it's sort of like those
first couple I like drinking whiskey.

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It's sort of like those first couple
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always smooth, but it gets smooth, and it has to get smoothed because

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the ideas that are contained in this
thing. Look, this is not just

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a piece of art. It's making
a hell of a point. But I

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don't want to spoil any of that. But what do you mean by it

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thought smooth? Tell me what you
mean. I'm so curious to see what

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your opinion is of it. Oh, there are some jarring aspects to this,

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some of the some of the I
don't know who did the color on

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this, but whoever selected it was
definitely trying to assault me the way I

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see it, and I appreciate it. I think it needs to be that

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way. It's not meant for me
to be comfortable during this film. I

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don't feel good about watching any of
this. Okay, did you laughing on

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it? Does this have comedy of
this? Oh? Yeah, no,

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I found certain parts funny. I'm
saying that visually it was striking, and

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it was and it was a bit
like it kept me uncomfortable in a way

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that a lot of polished Hollywood stuff
does not do, even if they're trying

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to do it. And I felt
this discomfort not only because of the subject

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matter. And I tried to go
into it thinking maybe he did something different

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here. It's different than the story
I know, uh, and et cetera.

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Not gonna say what is different here, but this is an important thing

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and and it is it makes points
there and I'm actually watching it on three

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different levels at one time. This
is this is great, this is this

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is a hell of a piece of
work. And it was just jarring to

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me all the way around. The
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uh, the way it was done. It's just it's very raw. It

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comes off very raw, and I
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Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm
reading into it. Tell me, well,

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I mean, everybody they say everybody
watches a film and everybody sees a

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different film. So but every people
ask me what the films about, and

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it's but there is, you know, there is a synopsis and everything,

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but it's it's very hard. I
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the tagline that we all live on
Jones Plantation. So you think you're watching

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us film and it's gonna be you
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black people, and then you get
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really absolutely nothing to do about race, that it's an allegory and a satire

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of the control system that we currently
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obviously we're looking at it through history
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a you know, a chadow slave
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happens is that the slaves are getting
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financially in the in the uh,
the owners of it, mister and missus

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Jones are Beluja are are afraid they're
gonna lose. They're gonna they're gonna get

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lose the plantation and be attacked and
killed by the slaves. So they bring

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in a fixer and uh, He
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uh uh, debt slavery and slavery
through psychological manipulation, psy op and mind

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control. Right now, this is
metaphoric. And if you see me disappear,

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don't don't worry about it. It's
a camera giving me a problem,

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or it's a show must gone,
the show mus gone. We're gonna go

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on. We're gonna get this point
through. I promise you. Okay,

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you just gave the whole metaphor away, and I'm telling you, even though

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you did that, it's still not
going to spoil the film because this evokes

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a lot of different thoughts. It's
not just that simple. Even though he

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did tell you the story, it's
not it's I think we're not hiding the

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metaphor. I mean, we want
to get like I said, the tackle

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one of film is we all live
on Jones Plantation, so that we're not

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hiding that. In fact, that's
one of the hardest things about getting it

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out, because you want to tell
people that this is not your grandfather's slave

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movie, but at the same time
you don't want to give it away.

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But you really can't give this one
away. I mean, I always say,

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we're early on in the production.
We knew that with the budget we

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had, we were never gonna be
able to compete with with with a period

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drama piece, which is kind of
what the screenwriter had in mind in the

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beginning, and I knew that it
had to be. Basically, we're trying

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to make a call film, which
in my mind is a film that's just

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a one off, and it really
has aspects of all genre. And so

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I think we pulled that off.
And so basically, if you can watch

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a film, you like it,
you don't like it, but I promise

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you you've never seen anything like it. And Okay, now now I see

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again, like you said, everybody
sees a different film. Actually, I

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think I have seen lots of things
like it. I got more of the

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vibe from it that you threw everything
into it. Kind of okay, because

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I got reminded of little bits of
Django, I got reminded of little bits

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of roots. I got reminded of
lots of stuff that I've already got stored

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in my brain. But like you
said, it is not your your Daddy's

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a slave movie. That's for damn
sure. Why Because it's not just there

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to punish the institution, which look
fair enough. You want to punish the

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institution, and you do, but
that's not the point of this necessarily.

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This is something else. And even
when you put the point out there,

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I think it's still uh, it's
still a journey to go through it and

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really realize what's happening. Let's let's
break down just the first part of the

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film, okay, okay, because
because I love this, it's this is

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where I got jarred right away,
okay, is that it seemed very rough.

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The the the plantation owner was kind
of cartoon need to me yea,

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you know, and all the characters
are cartoon. They're all they're all larger

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than life. It's all heightened reality. We think. That's if you noticed,

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they're all I want to almost like
memes they all have. That's why

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they were the Basically the main guys
were the same outfits throughout the film.

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Uh. And if you notice the
when you talked about color earlier, the

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three main guys they have very they're
very saturated, and then you have the

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slaves. They're living out in abject
poverty. It's very earth tones, very

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flat. Yeah, but they're unified. See that's the weird thing. You

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definitely presented visually that you have this
unified group and then you have these very

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striking, larger than life again meant
to be almost parodies of themselves at certain

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points. I mean, it almost
looks to me, I don't know what

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happened behind the scenes, but it
almost looks to me like some of these

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guys had to be laughing the rasses
off after you were done filming because of

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some of the lines they had to
deliver. The way they delivered them.

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Oh my god, we have no
idea, I mean, not that way.

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We did not. That was a
brutal, brutal shoot. You know.

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The whole time, I kept just
going, Okay, this is horrible,

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but my grandfather had to work in
a coal mine. He was twelve.

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That's just I kept reminding myself of
what my grandfather went through, because

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it was like, I'm just making
a film. This isn't as hard as

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it could be, but it was. It was ruthless on so many levels.

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But that said, particularly me and
mister Jones, because we just stayed

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an airbnb while we were there,
I mean, we had I haven't laughed

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at part since I was a kid. To night we'd be laughing so hard

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we'd be crying at some of a
because a lot of stuff we got to

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set and we rewrote. I mean
I was writing while we were shooting,

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just based on the organic nature of
how the production was going and what was

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happening with the characters and how they
were developing. And I definitely wanted a

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lot of humor in it. And
you say, you've seen the film like

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this for you've seen stuff like this
in the culture, You've seen stuff in

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films. But I challenge you to
find a film they like this film that

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you've seen before. What's the mean? You know what I mean? Like

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that was that was the point I
was gonna come to later as I've seen

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all the elements before, but I've
never seen but I've never seen a film

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that did this. And that's why
I wanted to talk about the introduction and

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the way it starts. Do you
mind if we go through the story at

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the very beginning, because I love
this uh and like you started to describe,

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Okay, there's a plantation, he's
having some troubles. Obviously we're in

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you know, the slave times,
you're in that period, you are immersed

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in it. It is there.
It is weird. You're not looking for

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wrisk watches, Okay, you know, like you were during what was it

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Spartacus, you're looking for wrist watches, right, No, No, it's

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nothing like that. You're definitely there, but it's still this weird jarring thing

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where you have this heavy contrast between
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the plantation. Now it also felt
rather confined, which it is interesting to

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me. So there are people that
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I get that from the beginning.
That's sort of a subtext that's sort of

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generated here. But let's get into
the story for a moment. And I

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don't think this will spoil it at
all. This guy shows up and look

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it we'll just mention race because it's
relevant, all right, And why is

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it relevant? Because it becomes irrelevant. Hang on, guys, I'll get

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there. Here's the thing. Black
guy shows up says, you know,

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look, I'm here to do the
job. The white plantation owner with his

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wife says, Okay, I'm only
accepting this whatever it is you're gonna do,

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because you came highly recommended. And
I know I've got some troubles here,

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but I don't know you could tell
already this guy doesn't feel good again.

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I felt almost like that Django scene
when they go in and you know

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they're dealing with that. And by
the way, I'm not that big.

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I like Tarantino stills, but I
don't like that one. But I thought

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the first half of Jango was great, and I thought it just ran on

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and on exactly Wait, you could
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died and his films haven't been his
films haven't been edited as properly. The

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Kim and his editor used to get
and they were from film school together,

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and they used to get knocked down, drag out, crying fights over adits.

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She would fight for his for the
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anymore. If you've noticed not knocking
him. He's one of the all time

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greats. I love his films,
but if you notice the editing isn't quite

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the same once she died. If
you noticed that, the film's drag and

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he's in love with his dialogue and
you know what I mean. So,

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but you're talking about Smith Smith being
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and I want to bring that up
because that was important in the little

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animated one that kind of went viral
called the Jones Plantation. The Larkin made

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Larkin Rosemay back in the day,
everybody's white all on this plantation. And

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I knew when we decided to turn
this into a feature film that if we

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had everybody be white on the plantation, that people would turn us on race.

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And so we met. We had
this moment. We were developing this

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in this warehouse and down in the
mountains of Phoenix, and we had this

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moment where like Smith's Black. It
was like a big moment in the film,

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and so that was all your decision. Then well, you know,

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Larkin got made it like thirty seconds, like one second before I came up

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with it, Like he's like Smith
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And then we had like this moment
We're like hugging each other. It

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was like it was awesome. But
that had to happen because it had to

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happen. You know why it had
to happen. Let me let me see

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if I got your thinking here or
if I'm off on my own track.

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It had to happen because here's the
thing. You gotta send people that you

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know are allegedly relatable to you in
there to convince you to sign on to

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things, don't you know. So
yeah, that's the way it works.

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It was also with the audience too. I mean, we didn't want the

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audience out there to turn us into
a race movie, right, and it's

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definitely not. Even though I'm bringing
up race, guys, this is not

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a race movie. He's He's right. I mean, look, anybody defends

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themselves nowadays and says, oh,
this isn't about race. Sometimes it is.

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Yeah, I'm just letting you know, Drew's not lying here. Yeah,

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so I would call you out on
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yeah, bs, dude, yeah, you did this about race.

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This isn't race. Race is a
mechanic here. It goes useful to the

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viewer, but it's not the point
of what's being told here at all.

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Okay, So anyway, but let's
get back to this story. The black

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fixer shows up, okay, and
again I'm giving the synopsis of just the

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very beginning, and they're not happy
about this. Okay. He goes to

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go and greet the slaves. The
slaves are gathered together as they would sometimes,

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you know, they'd allow him to
gather together so they could direct them

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this is the way cotton plantations.
And it turns out, by the way

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you find out it's cotton plantation,
so it's very typical. Makes sense all

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that. Anyway, he says,
look, I'm here on, mister Smith,

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and he has a little bit of
a back and forth before this with

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the plantation owner that you got to
trust me, you gotta go with me

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on this. And this has so
nothing to do with the slavery. It's

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so funny. But hang on,
it does have to do with slavery,

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just maybe not the slavery you think. Anyway, The thing is, he

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says, basically, look, and
if you've seen Larkin Rose's cartoon before,

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indeed the same points are made.
But this is so much better. And

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I loved that cartoon by the way. I even loved when people talked about

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it on like infographics and crap,
because it was like it was so great.

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It made a great point the first
time around. This to me,

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though, I can relate to this, and I was immersed in it again,

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I was getting knocked around. I
felt emotionally jarred by a bunch of

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this stuff. The fact that these
guys are larger than life, like we

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were talking about before, makes this
even bigger, and I'm getting involved here

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where I get involved, I'm going
to leave that to you guys to figure

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out. And you, guys,
if you watch it, you'll get involved.

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You'll put yourself in this if you're
paying attention anyway. So he says

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to the slaves, listen, I'm
taking over the plantation, all right,

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And this is no longer the way
it was. A matter of fact,

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you're all free. You're all free, but you might not want to leave

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because if you go outside of here, there are terrible people outside of here.

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Now, we got to continue to
protect you from these terrible people.

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You got to stay connected to the
land. You understand, for your safety.

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But if you want to go,
you can. I mean, you

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know that's up to you. But
it's dangerous, dangerous. Instead, you

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can stay here, and now you
can work for yourself instead of just working

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for this one man over here.
He's gonna work with you. I mean,

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he knows how to run a plantation, so he's gonna work with you,

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and he's gonna run things still.
But you know, you guys are

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all partners. You're all free.
He's the manager, he's gonna serve.

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He's here to serve you. Now
he works. You guys are working together.

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Now, Yeah, it's like he's
just another worker here. It just

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said he has some skills. So
because he has those skills, you know,

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we're gonna let him still kind of
do the same job he was doing.

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But no longer does he own You
know, you're all free now.

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Nobody says anything in the first time
through, and everybody goes, h this

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is interesting. Maybe they don't trust
it. I love the progression, by

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the way. It felt very natural. I would have thought that it would

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have gotten rushed like the cartoon was. It didn't very good job there,

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and you didn't drag stuff out,
you know. Apparently you don't have the

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same problem quitting does. And I
love Tarantino stuff early stuff for sure,

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and some of the later stuff.
But again, yeah, things are dragging

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anyway. The point is that I
really appreciate what you did here because for

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some reason, even though it didn't
take a long time for this to expand,

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I didn't feel like it was taking. I didn't feel like it got

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short shripped. It seemed natural.
It was weird. Even though it was

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short, it seemed natural. So
I like it anyway. In a short

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amount of time. And I'm not
going to give too many details going on

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out from here because you need to
see this, guys. But in a

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short amount of time, maybe there's
some people start to question what's going on

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here and is this really what's happening? And you know, you might find

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yourself starting to connect to some of
the slave because I don't know, I

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saw people I knew in those slaves
all of a sudden, not because of

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what they looked like, but because
of maybe some of the questions that they

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started to ask, and what would
happen to them if they behaved certain ways?

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And what is really the definition of
stealing? What is really the definition

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of ownership? Who owns who,
who owns what? Et cetera. These

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are all relevant questions and I love
this. I spoke to Lark and Rose

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once a long time ago, and
uh, you know, he was definitely

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not talking about this, but but
man, oh man, the fact that

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that that one piece that he did, you know, inspired this. It's

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like, I'm surprised that it went
this well. By the way, this

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should be on some kind of DVD
set out there. Uh, definitely as

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part of an educational film. It
definitely looks like think if somebody were to

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just glance at it, it's a
period piece maybe and all that, But

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at the same time, way different
lessons in here. Now, where should

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we go in this discussion and describing
this? I mean you already gave away

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the whole synopsis, really the lesson
that has to be learned. Guess what

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you know a sort of that that
whole concept of when you're on a cell

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phone, maybe you should get the
most important information out quickly because the cell

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phone might die on you and you
might not get the rest of the conversation

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out. Well, Andrew already did
that. Okay, Well, I mean,

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you know that's the funny thing.
You say that because you think that

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maybe some people listen to this podcast
might catch it. But you look around

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the world today and you see what's
going on and people still can't catch on.

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So I believe it or not,
it doesn't matter. I could tell

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them what they're going to learn when
they get in there, and they're still

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will have to learn it when they
see the film. And you mentioned earlier

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about connecting with the slaves, you're
also going to connect hopefully if you are

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enjoying yourself with the uh with the
owners in the Smith. Everything's everything's a

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metaphor. So you'll you'll see We've
talked about this a lot where you people,

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especially at screenings, people said this
where they they'll now that they've seen

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the film, they'll be in life
and they'll see this. They'll see a

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like a political campaign ad or a
politician say something or a anneurism and go

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up Jones Plantation. Oh that's Jones
Plantation. And I've been mister Smith by

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the way. Look I got put
in it little personal, little personal detail.

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I worked for X on Mobile briefly
and what was I in resource?

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Human resources and uh, personnel management. So guess what I've been mister Smith

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already. And I didn't know it
at the time. I got disgusted with

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it after a short amount of time
and I had to get out of there.

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Well that's way because getting on of
sociopath Yeah that is take the psychico

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path. Yeah, that was the
And that's the thing is that the guy

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who comes in like your friend,
who is telling you that not only as

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he set you free, but don't
worry, you're gonna be able to do

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for yourself now. And we have
a system by which you can do for

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yourself. Hint, hint, we
have a system by which you can gather

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things. Oh but by the way, don't try to take away anything you

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actually created, because you know that
might be considered stealing. But but you

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know, don't pay any attention to
any of that. Yeah, there's a

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lot of metaphor in there. This
is a great film, and I'm really

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pleased with it. I did not
expect somebody to do something like this again

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anytime in this in this time period, because I see people that only want

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to amplify and have things echoed back
to them. They want to be in

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an echo chamber where they have a
predetermined destination all the time. And we're

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calling it. We're calling it the
vanguard film of the uh. I'm starting

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this the American dissident cinema movement.
This hope, I hope to inspires a

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bunch of discident filmmakers and all artists. Really well, you know, you

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keep beating me to all my lines. I want you to know that because

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I was gonna say, I hope
some other people take this as a signal

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that they can create something that has
a level of sophistication, because here it

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is too. I mean, I'm
gonna be blunt. It is entertaining in

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and of itself if you think about
it on the one level, and you

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maybe have a hint that there's something
wrong with the monetary system where there's no

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upward mobility for you, or maybe
you see that there's no way that you

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get anywhere without certain advantages already being
handed to you in the first place.

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You're gonna find some of your echo
coming back at you in this movie.

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But that's not all that's there.
The way society is ordered, the way

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politics is ordered, the way the
media is ordered, even is all demonstrated

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here. I mean, there's one
area where things are sounded off mostly you

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know, they get together in the
you know, what could be the town

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square, what could be the community
hall, what could be that church,

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the local gathering point that is accepted
by the controllers. And here's the funny

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part. You know, the slave
master, the plantation owner, he is

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an owner, maybe, but you
know what, on the other hand,

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maybe not. And the people that
are told they get to own their own

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time, and the people that are
told they get to own their own labor,

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and the people that are told they're
trading their labor for things, Well,

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there's an interesting lesson there as well, and there's still more to this,

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so metaphor is everywhere. But if
you just go into this as a

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matter of fact, and you know
you're you're just too drunk to think,

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still gonna be entertaining. It is
visually interesting. It's got a hell of

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a storyline, which I did not
expect to be expanded from the cartoon.

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By the way, there were certain
things going on here. I don't want

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to I don't want to spoil any
of that because I want you guys to

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be surprised. But this is really
cool, and I love that poster behind

408
00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:03.599
you, by the way. It
definitely fits. It gives me that same

409
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.559
kind of feel. Where again,
I'm not sure what erra I'm supposed to

410
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.480
be in here, Okay, I
mean, I know what error is going

411
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.799
on there with the plantation. What
I'm saying is is that the whole thing,

412
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.480
the way it comes together, you
could have made this. This doesn't

413
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.720
look so digital. This doesn't look
like it was only maybe done on nineteen

414
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.880
seventies TV. It doesn't look like
a videotape. It looks like we could

415
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.480
adapt it into any of those formats
and it would work. Kind of weird,

416
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.880
don't know how you pulled that off, but there's something to it that

417
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:40.440
makes it not stuck in a certain
time period. And I think that's a

418
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.680
great thing, because it's not there
is a lesson here that seems to not

419
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.000
go learn constantly anyway. All the
things that I've said about it, I've

420
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.680
tried to tell you what I think
of it and all that, and I've

421
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:53.359
ran my mouth way too much.
No, I like it. I just

422
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.519
want to say that that poster is
actually not even the official poster that's especially

423
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.200
they now, that's a specially made
poster by this artist named Sean dan Conya.

424
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.839
He's actually like a world renown artist. And we actually did a did

425
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.839
a like a side indie go go
to get it made and he it's called

426
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:15.880
Psychatronics of the Monarch Mind. And
uh, that poster. When you sit

427
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.599
down and look at that and get
a magnifying glass and go through there.

428
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.319
The guys, if you just like
I said, Sean dan Conya d A

429
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.200
N C O N I A.
If you go to his website his incredible

430
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.640
work incredibly and he uh, I
mean there's so much going on in that

431
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:33.119
poster. I mean, it's there's
so many things inside there. If you

432
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:34.480
start looking around, you know what
I mean, It's it's pretty fun.

433
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.759
Well, me and my bad eyesight, I just see the striking image.

434
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.079
And here's the thing. I can
see that thing on the side of an

435
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.519
eighties video game. I could see
that thing on in a movie theater at

436
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.839
any point in my life, from
the seventies, you know, when I

437
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:49.440
was born in the seventies, from
when I was a little kid in the

438
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.920
seventies too. Now I could see
that as a movie poster. That is

439
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.720
a universally interesting image without me being
able to see the detail. So yeah,

440
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.400
I study the detail and all that. And uh, I mean,

441
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.000
I don't know how it is they
can support you. I'm going to ask

442
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.880
you about that before we're done talking. How it is that they can buy

443
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.440
the film, how it is you
would prefer they buy the film. I

444
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:11.799
want to know all that, Okay, please, Yeah, I'll give you

445
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:15.759
all the yeah, but but I
want to talk a little more about the

446
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.599
film. I mean, and even
if that's not the official poster, that's

447
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.240
still a killer poster. Man.
Oh yeah, I mean, that's that

448
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.720
thing is special. That's me to
me. I that's as good as any

449
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.519
movie poster. I've ever seen that
poster. I mean, the amount of

450
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.359
what he put into that, it's
it's basically a cross between uh, black

451
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:40.839
exploitation, uh and what's the word
I'm looking for? What's the word?

452
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:45.359
Uh? Well, there's a little
psychotic dystopeus psychedelic. Yeah, like that

453
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:52.119
seventies dystopic psychedeliction. Yeah. Actually, all the stuff that Quentin Tarantino keeps

454
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:53.799
trying to tell us about, he
keeps coming up in this conversation. I

455
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.680
mean he does. He's one of
my favorite filmmakers, is why. I'm

456
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.000
sorry, but it's reminiscent. Really
want to bring him up and that everybody.

457
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.319
I've had people reference him for this
for some reason. I guess it

458
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:04.880
must have that heightened reality feel to
it that a lot of his films,

459
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.200
most of his films have. Oh
it does, it doesn't, but you

460
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.240
know, but we don't have and
we do have some violence in here.

461
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.640
I'm gonna warn you guys, there's
some violence, but a little bit,

462
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:17.920
a little it's necessary. It's not
egregious. It's not Tarantino level craziness.

463
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.519
You know, Beatrice, you know, doing her Bruce Lee Slaughter moves,

464
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.880
No, none of that. But
there's a little bit of violence, and

465
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.880
it's necessary. A little bit of
violence, A little bit of language,

466
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.480
that's about it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, well, a little bit

467
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.319
of rough language. Yeah. And
and I wasn't jarred by the language.

468
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.799
Again, I was more jealistic by
the Yeah, it was seemed realistic,

469
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:41.480
it flowed nice. I was more
jarred by the presentation of these guys,

470
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.880
like I was right on top of
him at certain points when I didn't feel

471
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.920
I should be. It was kind
of just uncomfortable, you know. And

472
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.319
look again, this is not a
negative on the film. I think this

473
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.039
is great. It puts you in
exactly the right state of mind to absorb

474
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.319
some of these lessons here. So
anyway, look, I do want to

475
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.960
see the official poster and maybe you
can send me a copy of that so

476
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.119
I can put it on the graphic
for this show that people can go and

477
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:10.240
search it out and recognize it.
I want them to find that because I

478
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.480
mean, I love that poster there, but I want them to find the

479
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.319
one that will connect them to the
film, to your website, to a

480
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:21.680
way to get it and everything else. So yeah, either work Anyway's course

481
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:22.519
is cool too, But it's just
you know, this is not. This

482
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.559
is a little pricier and a little
more of a high end sort of art

483
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.839
item, you know what I mean. Okay, are you going to make

484
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.799
those available though? If people want, they're all available. They're available.

485
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.079
They're right now. Anybody can go
watch the film and buy any of the

486
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.039
stuff that Jones Plantation Film dot com. Okay, I want to make sure

487
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.319
that's where you wanted people to go, because some people go through this or

488
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.279
that. You know, Well,
we're step releasing the film, so it's

489
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.599
at Jones Plantation Film dot com right
now exclusively and then come the holiday is

490
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.720
probably November, it'll be wider released
all all the big platforms you know,

491
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.480
Amazon and U to Be and all
that stuff you know, so right now

492
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.319
and a Apple and all that.
But right now it's specifically available at Jones

493
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:06.279
Plantation Film dot com. And it's
cheaper there. It's ten bucks if you

494
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.079
just want to go watch the film's
ten bucks and you get the merch there.

495
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.680
You can get the director's commentary,
you can get the all access pass,

496
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.240
which includes a download of Lark and
Roses book The State Is and the

497
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.880
World's Most Dangerous Religion, and the
opening night screening. We did we did

498
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.200
like a two hour Q and a
afterwards you can get access to as well.

499
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.839
Oh, I didn't know all that
was there. I mean I just

500
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.680
watched the film, honestly, all
that for ten bucks. Well, no,

501
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.359
that all access is nineteen ninety nine. I think they're selling up for

502
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:36.759
and then then the film with the
director's commentary is fifteen. And then the

503
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.799
all access, like I said,
includes the download a book, Larkin Roses

504
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.200
Book, which any if you haven't
read, that's a great book. State

505
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.640
Is and the World's most Dangerous excuse
me, Religion. It's a great book.

506
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.000
Right, And you know what before
I got way ahead of myself.

507
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.880
I mean, it's tell people exactly
you and I both know this, but

508
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.000
you know, for the audience,
please tell them exactly where this material started.

509
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:59.079
Uh, you know Larkin Rose.
If you never heard of Larkin Rose,

510
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:00.240
I don't know how you have found
my show. Welcome to the Internet.

511
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:05.839
But you know, tell people where
you know where, what the source

512
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:09.840
material is and there's a story list. Yeah, please. So, so

513
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.760
the the the little animated one.
So I did went to a conference in

514
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:21.800
Mexico uh Anarcho, Poco and Acapulco, and it was February twenty twenty,

515
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:29.719
so it was like literally two weeks
before all the COVID nonsense, like literally

516
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:34.000
two So he went down there and
I met him. He was there and

517
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.960
I interviewed him, and during the
interview you can actually see the interviews on

518
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.639
on my channel, and he said, I said, well, you know,

519
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.199
this slavery we live in today is
a little different. It's it's not

520
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.000
whips and change. It's not as
physically painful, but it's it's more pernicious

521
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:51.599
because it's through mind control and brainwashing, and you can't see the change there.

522
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:53.519
Their chains on your mind, so
you think they can convince they've kids

523
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.400
to everybody they're free in this crazy
control system that we live in. And

524
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:00.039
he goes, oh, that's funny. I have it a little. I

525
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.119
made it a short called Jones The
Jones Plantation on YouTube. Check it out.

526
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.760
So I left the interview and I
found it also that he lives in

527
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.920
Arizona. I live in Arizona.
And I watched it, and then me

528
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.679
and the ad on the film and
one of the producers, Dug my friend

529
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.440
Doug Mayes. We were both in
Mexico together doing this, and uh,

530
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.119
I was like, man, that'd
be a cool little that'd be a cool

531
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.480
narrative short, like just not even
animated. And then on the flight home,

532
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.880
I was like, that'd be a
cool feature, and so then I

533
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.280
that's how it all started. I
reached out to Larkin and he went for

534
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.280
and that's how this whole thing was
born. And literally if we had that

535
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.159
conference was a week later or two
weeks later, none this would ever happened,

536
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.400
because then we went about going to
Mexico because of all the all the

537
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.280
tyra in the striction. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, so there's more to

538
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.519
that too, but there was more
to that when we actually try to make

539
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.400
the thing. But yeah, so
that's how it all started. That's then

540
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.679
here we are three It's hard to
believe. It seems like twenty years ago,

541
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.559
but it was really only three years
ago. Well, it's still incredible

542
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:00.239
peace to come up with it that
quickly, because I mean it really something

543
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.880
like this normally takes a lot longer. Looks like to me, I mean,

544
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.440
I'm not a filmmaker, I'm not
a visual guy. I'm actually what

545
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.880
you call legally blind. So you
know, for me, getting details a

546
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.599
lot of times is something I gotta
work at. Definitely, I'm more of

547
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.639
a sound guy than a film guy. Which, by the way, the

548
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.440
sound on this is interesting as well, because some of it I think is

549
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.920
intentionally rough and quiet, and I
wanted to ask you about that too,

550
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.320
as far as setting the mood at
certain points. Uh, you know who

551
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:36.119
did that work? Was that all? You as well? Know that the

552
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:40.079
sound guy's a gentleman named Dan Blank. And well, there's three songs in

553
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:44.920
There are four songs that Larkin actually
did. They're peppered in the movie.

554
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:46.480
But the main soundtrack is a guy
named Dan Blank and he also did the

555
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:52.800
design. And he's a young guy
who is he's on in la We actually

556
00:36:52.880 --> 00:37:00.320
mixed it John Williams over USC Yeah, and he this Dan his Uh god,

557
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.239
I could look it up. But
he's he's he's he's an Emmy nominated

558
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.320
sound guy, and he's young.
He's a he's a stud. He's an

559
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.199
absolute stud. And he did this
with a couple other guys. He did

560
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.960
that whole soundtrack. And I mean, the guy works. He's worked on

561
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:19.880
Chef Table and he's worked on he
did the sound for the film about sound

562
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.679
and I can't remember what it's called. I was gonna look it up.

563
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.079
We're sitting here. But yeah,
I've known him for years because I did

564
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:30.039
this little really super low budget indie
film for like thirteen grand when he was

565
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:31.800
like in his early twenties, and
he did the sound for that, and

566
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.800
then we became friends, and so
I got the friends and family with him,

567
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.800
and we got the got to got
to mix it at uh at John

568
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.760
Williams studio there in La So it
was pretty cool. I'm trying to find

569
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.440
you hold on, yeah, no
problem, Look that that's that's great.

570
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.280
I mean you could have mixed this
in the basement, uh the you know,

571
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:52.119
some of the raw way it came
out. I mean, it could

572
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.280
have been done all different ways because
somebody made it a little dirty. And

573
00:37:55.360 --> 00:38:00.920
I like it because it is it
is realistic the way that he did it.

574
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:05.280
I actually feel like I'm in some
of those scenes, which is only

575
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.840
done not because of the fullness of
the sounds. See a lot of people

576
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:10.800
go for that, like THHX,
it's got to be getting No. I

577
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:14.920
like this. It's some more seventies
sounds soundtrack kind of thing. It's more

578
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.159
of a seventies kind of little rupper
lass sings, you know what I mean.

579
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.599
It's a little it's five one and
everything, but it's you know,

580
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.400
it's it's seventies kind of No,
I can tell it's professional. But what

581
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.000
I'm saying is it's a little dirty. I like slightly dirty sound, you

582
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.760
know what I mean. And yeah, it really helped. So we didn't

583
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.679
loop any sound. We'd made decision
not the loop any sound. There's one

584
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.320
small piece of dialogue that was looped
in their one line, and everything else

585
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:44.079
was from the shoot. Well.
I did notice also there was like a

586
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:49.239
little bit of a difference in the
way the voice was processed between between Smith

587
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.519
and uh And and the the others
on the plantation. There was a differential

588
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:58.480
there that somebody put in there intentionally. I think it may making them a

589
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.480
little louder you mean, yeah,
yeah, yeah, he was a little

590
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.079
a little louder, a little more
pronounced, and it provided a slightly different

591
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.000
tone, which I thought was perfect. Anyway, Again, my ears are

592
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:13.400
more observant than my eyes, right
right, But it's really great and I

593
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:15.039
love the fact that it's dirty.
I love the fact that it's jarring.

594
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:21.880
It needs to be because there are
multiple layers of points being made here.

595
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.119
And like again, I think I
hinted at about three or four of them,

596
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:30.320
but you could probably get twelve solid
lessons out of this that somebody could

597
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.840
concisely lay out into a couple of
paragraphs apiece, and you could say,

598
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.960
look, this is what you can
learn through this. And if you take

599
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.239
the metaphor of journey with this character, and if you go along with this

600
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.239
idea, and if you go along
with this part of the scenario, you

601
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:52.000
understand this part about guess what,
not only the history, not only the

602
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:57.760
recent history and maybe the slightly further
back history, but how about today?

603
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.679
You have today buried in this in
a very interesting way if you understand what

604
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.840
you're being told. Because these things
were established and never really changed, it

605
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.639
might have been refined, and it
gets refined throughout this film. I find

606
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.000
the progression of punishment that goes on
for people that step out of line really

607
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:22.119
interesting. There is a commentary on
law enforcement that I'll bet you nobody picks

608
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.199
up on, generally speaking, the
first time around. Yeah, but this

609
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.239
is worth multiple viewings. And I'm
doing a lot of talking here. I'm

610
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.000
sorry I keep doing that, but
I know I'm good with I love it.

611
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.239
I love hearing people talk about it. I mean, it's I'm you're

612
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.920
doing great. There's a lot of
Easter eggs in there. There's a lot

613
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.599
of Easter eggs, and there's and
there's a lot of a lot of the

614
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.360
promdes that we hear from the from
the from our from our parasite class that

615
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.320
they throw at us. I mean, I'll give them. You know,

616
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.000
there's there is back the blue,
there is a new normal, there is

617
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.400
trust, the plan, all those
and it's not it's not right or left.

618
00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.440
But I think we've thought talked a
lot about this. I don't think

619
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:02.559
the film, I don't think I
would have been able to if we try

620
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:08.000
to do twenty years ago, because
I think right now it has the potential

621
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.119
and we'll see what happens, but
it has the potential to really catch on

622
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:19.079
because I think people are so open
to they're so I think they really busted

623
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.360
up the whole fantasy that we live
in a free country. And I think

624
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:23.320
that people, a lot of people
are really angry about it. They you

625
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.840
know, we we got brainwashed our
whole lives to believe we're the free as

626
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.920
best as best as prison. And
it's like after especially after twenty twenty,

627
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.880
people are really going, well,
wait a second, hold on a second,

628
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.880
what's going on? What's really going
on here? And this this film,

629
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.119
I hope we can grab people that
that the people that really want freedom

630
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.599
that have been driven into a ditch. I mean, obviously we're going to

631
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.880
reach the right first, because these
people that want freedom and they keep getting

632
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.400
driven to this voting plantation ditch every
four years. But there are people on

633
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.519
the left that are radical or you
know, so called what do they call

634
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.280
classical liberal type people that are really
is confused now too, and so you

635
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.760
know, we want to reach out
and just get like said, step release

636
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.599
and just keep growing it outwards.
And we haven't hit that sort of bam

637
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.519
moment. There's some We're really working
the podcast thing and trying to grow it

638
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.000
out, and but it's I mean, I'm doing well. I want you

639
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.880
to know something, I'm a complete
weirdo as far as as far as this

640
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.199
goes, because I'm not on the
right. I guarantee you I'm not on

641
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.199
the right. I don't care what
some people say. I'm not there.

642
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:28.800
I'm not on the left either.
Okay, I don't trust either side because

643
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.519
I have to think there's only one
side. Uh So, were the two

644
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.440
wings of the same bird. Like
they say, right, two wings are

645
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.639
the same evil boot two whatever you
believe, the growth droppers versus the Washington

646
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:43.039
generals. That's the Republicans are there
to lose. There's one there's one thing.

647
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.679
There's one government. That's all it
is. And the Republicans are there

648
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.400
to drive. Whether they know it, whether they're self aware, whether they

649
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:52.400
they're believers, or whether they're making
a bunch of money. Their job is

650
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.079
to drive people into a ditch,
to make people who really want the right

651
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.280
things, which is to be left
alone, to be free, to make

652
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.440
them believe there's somebody out there that's
fighting for them. And it's complete ruse.

653
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.440
It's that they're not incompetent, that
the system isn't broken. It's working

654
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.239
great. It's the largest, most
powerful organization in the history of the world.

655
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.760
It's not doing well. Now hopefully
it's gonna we can talk about that

656
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:19.880
later. But yeah, it's it's
yeah, I don't I guess I said

657
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.039
what I want to say about that, Well, it's it's Look, it's

658
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.199
it's it's the continuous tug of war
that nobody ever pulls the thing over the

659
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.960
line, Okay, because that's right, that's right. You got the people

660
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.679
that are reforming, all right,
and they think they're gonna reform. They

661
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.320
think they're going to go back to
something that was great, and they're the

662
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.360
reformers, and then you have the
disruptors, and neither role is actually legitimate.

663
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.800
It's very much like I like how
Jesse've been Sure put it and other

664
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.280
people put it, and I think
it's very relevant. It's like professional wrestling.

665
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.840
Here's a good guy, here's the
bad guy. Maybe next week we'll

666
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.320
switch them. Doesn't matter because at
the end of the day, they all

667
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.400
get paid by the same corporation,
and you're there just to be entertained.

668
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.880
It's not consequent, no, and
and you know it's there's a great interview

669
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:07.719
that Michael Malice did of Justin Amash
anybody who ever wants to listen to it,

670
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.719
because he quit. And he'll tell
you that those sort of stupid hearings

671
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.840
they do, we're like, oh, did you see rand Paul The way

672
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:16.800
he blah blah blah fauci and this
and that nothing ever happens. He said

673
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:21.239
that the people that get to talk
are the ones they literally hand you a

674
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:22.800
script and he would be like,
I'm not reading this and so that's why

675
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.719
he would never get on TV.
They will. They will give you a

676
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.840
script and they will insult each other. Then after the thing, they'll literally

677
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:31.800
walk up like Cruise and AOC will
walk up to it there and go,

678
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.079
that was awesome, Ember when you
called me this and then you called me

679
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.320
that. Yeah, let's go get
some dinner. It's always just the big

680
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.880
show. They're just actors. Yeah, it's like I said, it's no

681
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.039
different than the w W E.
No, it really isn't. It's like

682
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.000
I hate you. I'm coming to
destroy you. No, you won't have

683
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:51.079
the power. Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna reform it, are

684
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.280
you gonna are you gonna join the
Genet's crime family and be the be the

685
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.079
capo and Brooklyn that's gonna do things
right and fix the family. And it's

686
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.159
ridiculous, it's absurd. It's a
an enterprise. You're not reforming anything because

687
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.119
it's not broken. It does it's
not going to reform. It's fundamentally flawed.

688
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.519
It's fundamentally a criminal operation and its
job is to get control, to

689
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.760
get resources, to get power.
By those metrics, how is it doing

690
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.679
what people think government is doing badly
or doing poorly needs to be fixed measured

691
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.519
by those metrics, and that's yourself. How is it doing well? Here's

692
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:23.960
another great example. And by the
way, I always respect to tale in

693
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.159
businessmen a lot more than I do
politicians, because first of all, they

694
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.559
wear better suits, and second you
get something for your protection money. But

695
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.800
on the other hand, it is
interesting to me that people never seem to

696
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.800
get this. And here's the great
example. I'm fifty one years old.

697
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.480
You know, my entire life,
I've been hearing about immigration, and allegedly

698
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:50.280
the pendulum has shifted back and forth
between these two opposing forces that have completely

699
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:54.239
diametrically different ideas about taking care of
this immigration issue. And you know what's

700
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.079
gotten solved in the fifty one years
that I've been alive. Absolutely nothing.

701
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.079
Okay, So you know it's like, if they wanted to solve that,

702
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:08.639
just that issue right there, they
would have very good take them an hour,

703
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.000
take them an hour to solve it. Did you did you hear about

704
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:16.679
that Amazon memo that went around where
they were saying that they really were thankful

705
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:22.880
that they had a really multicultural workforce
because they could never unionize because they had

706
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.400
done studies knowing that when they have
a bunch of cultures together. They could

707
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.800
never get together and organize because they're
different. That's all they're doing. It's

708
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.280
just breaking the place up so they
can just run control over everybody. Well,

709
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.159
it's beautiful. Look, I think
you're old enough to remember when we

710
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.599
weren't so globalized, and you know, you might have been told that you

711
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.840
needed to defend your neighborhood, you
needed to defend your town, you needed

712
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.079
to defend your state, you know, and you were attached to a piece

713
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.119
of land that way, and you
were supposedly even your identity is all tied

714
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.639
up in this. And I intend
to discuss this at length very soon.

715
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:57.519
But that was the way it was
before we had this global village, right,

716
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.800
And the global village now is you're
not attached to anything, and we're

717
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:06.639
atomized to a point where it's no
longer useful to turn us neighborhood to neighborhood

718
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.239
against each other, ethnicity ethnicity against
each other. I mean, if you're

719
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:13.400
willing to fall up for those easy
traps, they're there for you. Yeah.

720
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.679
No, let's turn us against each
other individually and atomize us to the

721
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:23.960
point where you have no actual useful
friends who are looking at each other's common

722
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.559
interests, common goals, common problems. No no, no no, don't

723
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.199
do that, no no no.
What you gotta do is make sure that

724
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.119
you have a good way to be
in opposition to almost anyone and turn it

725
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.079
up or down all to your liking. It's all customized. It's all in

726
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:42.960
your feed now. It's all there
according to the algorithm, and they'll feed

727
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.079
it to you as fast as you
want to consume it. It's that simple.

728
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:50.199
So nowadays, instead of turning us, you know, one town against

729
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.159
the other because we have a football
rivalry, because we're not from there.

730
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:57.360
We're not those kids from the bad
neighborhood. We're not those kids from the

731
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.159
rich neighborhood, we don't do that
anymore. Don't need to, because we

732
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.320
can just hate each other individually.
It's a beautiful thing, you know,

733
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.519
And that's where it's at. And
it's all about these identifiers that somebody else

734
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:13.800
selected for you. Generally speaking,
it's great. And you know what,

735
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.800
it's funny because that's kind of in
your film too, isn't it. That's

736
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:22.000
Jones Plantation. That's just Jones Plantation. So again, I want to make

737
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.639
sure before I run off at the
mouth again that you tell people to go

738
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.320
to Jones Plantation film dot com.
Is that what it is? Jones Plantation

739
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.239
film dot Com. Yeah, okay, I wanted to make sure I got

740
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.280
that right. Is there anywhere else
they should go? Like you said,

741
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.280
they can buy the movie, they
can buy the director's stuff, they can

742
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.039
buy stuff that goes along with the
movie there And again, I think he

743
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:46.880
gave us a price range of ten
to twenty bucks depending on what it is

744
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:51.559
you want to get, so it's
not super expensive. It is well worth

745
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.559
it whatever price you want to go
for. Guys, I advise you to

746
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:59.079
do this and do it before he
tries to put it out with some of

747
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:00.840
these other platforms, because I'm a
little worried and I got a question for

748
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.599
you too. And again I want
you to tell us where they can get

749
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:10.079
some information. One more time repetitions
helpful before we're done. But are you

750
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:15.719
a little concerned that maybe you're not
going to get warmly accepted on every available

751
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.400
platform, because this, to me
sounds like the kind of thing that legitimately

752
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:28.079
does get not banned, not removed, but given a little bit of difficulty

753
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.599
in getting it into some of these
platforms. And getting it onto some of

754
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:36.519
these places where it's easier to monetize, it's easier to distribute because people are

755
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.000
lazy and if they go to the
Apple Store, that's all they want to

756
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.239
go to. And if they go
to Amazon, that's all they want to

757
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.079
go to. Etcetera, etcetera.
You'll reach less people if you're on less

758
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.440
platforms. I've had to learn that
the hard way, getting banned on YouTube,

759
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:54.840
et cetera. But are you concerned
at all that somebody might realize exactly

760
00:49:55.079 --> 00:50:00.920
how revolutionary this piece could be and
maybe that'll hold you back a bit?

761
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:09.840
Yes, okay, but but it
if we never marketed and I didn't get

762
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.480
on things and talk and the mister
Jones who's legal man, he's got a

763
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:15.559
podcast called The Quash. I don't
know if you ever heard of it.

764
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:19.960
It's a great podcast. And Larkin, if we weren't out talking, I

765
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.559
wouldn't be because it's such a trojan
horse. That was kind of the plan

766
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:28.360
of the whole thing. The film
is a trojan horse. But it is

767
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.599
something I think about it. You
know, weird thing happened because we've been

768
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:35.960
getting like I mean, people and
I'm not saying this is true. I'm

769
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.159
just telling you what people have said
to me. I get emails and we

770
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:43.039
get people commenting on our videos all
the time. That's the best building they've

771
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.519
ever seen. People say, it's
that it's our generations. They live all

772
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.880
this crazy stuff. And we've have
we don't have a ton of reviews.

773
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.199
I mean, we've got like one
hundred and some reviews so far. And

774
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.320
I I independent, I amdb dot
com. I'm not sure if you're familiar.

775
00:50:55.639 --> 00:51:00.480
It's kind of like the platform for
it's called Independent Movie Database. It's

776
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.440
where everybody puts their stuff. We
had a nine, which is crazy,

777
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.960
and they and we had we had
a nine, and then there was like

778
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.639
a bunch of ones we had.
So the Snowball score was a nine out

779
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:15.280
of ten rating. But we had
a bunch of ones. And I know

780
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:16.519
that those ones were fake ones.
I mean, I know people just hate

781
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.159
us or who knows what it is, right, they didn't watch the film

782
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.480
and they came along and they gave
us. They took our our score down

783
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.079
to a seven six. It's gone
back up to a seven eight because we

784
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.840
got more tens. And they were
like, oh, you guys, they

785
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:32.719
claim me, they claim we were
stuffing the ballot. They said they were,

786
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.599
and I said, I don't know
any one person who's rated us,

787
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.440
So they shut up. So somebody
tried to shut us down. They give

788
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:43.039
us ones. A bunch of people
did, and then they came and then

789
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.079
it didn't work, and then they
came along and they shutted the score down

790
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.679
to a seven and out to the
seven eight, which still pretty good,

791
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.280
but that's not the score. The
actual score is like an eight nine.

792
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.639
At this point, I don't know
if that's our first experience and that's just

793
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.719
a coincidence, or that's our first
experience with what you're talking about. No,

794
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.480
I think it sounds exactly like what
they This is what happened to me

795
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.360
and the iTunes store years ago.
I had, you know, a five

796
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.039
rating, and then all of a
sudden, and I love this too.

797
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.800
It was like, I don't know
what show you were listening to. I

798
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.199
could see if you're gonna complain that
I sound like, you know, some

799
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.760
some goomba with a microphone. I
could see if you want to say I

800
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:22.000
sound like a guy from Jersey with
a microphone, it makes perfect sense because

801
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.119
that's what I sound like. If
you said I was from New York.

802
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.920
Okay, you're not from the Northeast, and you think the Jersey accents and

803
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.400
New York accent. Fine, But
when they were calling me a hillbilly and

804
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.840
stuff like this, I said,
these guys didn't listen to my show.

805
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.760
I don't know what the hell they're
talking about. Yeah, they started shooting

806
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.079
me down, and they brought me
down at one point to a three point

807
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.360
five on And that's not even something
where you know, IMDb is a large

808
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:51.000
site, huge, I mean really
people have access to that has huge traffic.

809
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:52.360
I don't know how many people,
you know, really rate things in

810
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:57.840
the iTunes store. I've seen some
larger podcasts too well. But you know

811
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.760
what, again, I had a
bar's your weird complaints on YouTube for a

812
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.960
bit. You will get targeted and
they'll try and shut you down. And

813
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.760
the thing that I fear they might
do to you is claim that somehow this

814
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:13.440
is like racist propaganda, and they'll
probably try and push you off the platforms

815
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.920
or into restricted areas. Yeah,
which it doesn't deserve to be. This

816
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:23.000
is not about race. Even though
it is plantation, it does show a

817
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:28.920
representation of slavery. This is not
about race. Yeah, Okay, so

818
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.519
I want to. I'm saying this. You know this already. Yeah,

819
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:36.119
well, I mean I'm saying the
IMDb platform did this to us. Yeah,

820
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:37.719
platform came and said, oh,
it's not working. We're gonna shut

821
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.679
it. We're gonna push the score
down. It's gonna be funny when it

822
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:44.559
choots back up again. I've gone
back and forth them. It's like Talco

823
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.320
to a brick wall. They keep
coming back with this stuff in the envelope

824
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:49.960
thing, and it's like they are
stuff in the envelope. There's stuffing it

825
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.840
downwards. All the fake fake ratings
are the ones that are ones, not

826
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.000
the nines and tens and the you
know, the bunch of people have written

827
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.800
reviews saying they love the film and
it was whatever. I don't care.

828
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.679
I just you know, I hope
what you're saying. Well, you know

829
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:07.199
what, Magically, though, people, a gang of fake people show up.

830
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:09.920
Okay, even if whether it's the
platform or it's the platform plus,

831
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.559
I'm not sure, but a gang
of fake people will show up. I

832
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.559
mean Google accounts when I tried tracking
them down to figure out who was,

833
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:21.119
you know, making massive complaints against
me. I find people that have no

834
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.360
content, seem to have no other
connection to being online completely fictitious. You

835
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.199
know, there used to be people
that had controlled piles of bots that used

836
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:32.039
to be able to hire on fiber
that you could turn around and like make

837
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:36.480
it look like you got a thousand
Facebook friends if you paid for it or

838
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.559
whatever, and it's all these people
with one picture on their profile, etc.

839
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:42.599
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's
a lot of that's still floating around

840
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.119
out there. I know it's an
old technique, but I think it still

841
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.400
works. Where they can pile on, they can dog pile on you,

842
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.519
and I think they're going to come
at you with the racist angle here.

843
00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:52.960
It's wrong, It's definitely not.
And that's the other thing is I would

844
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.320
I would tell you if I thought
you were being racist actually, but you

845
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.760
know, legit racism and people misuse
that termament anymore. Is there a bit

846
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:07.320
of a classism issue here? Yeah, but that's education, baby. It

847
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.840
seems like people need to leave to
learn about classism a bit because they ignore

848
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.599
it, especially in America. So
again, you know, I know I'm

849
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:16.920
taking up a bunch of your time
and I ran my mouth a lot,

850
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.039
but I want to give you another
chance to h you know, if you

851
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:23.639
want to give any shout outs to
people that were very important in helping to

852
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:29.119
get this made. Outside of the
people you've already mentioned, you've got an

853
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.199
incredible slate of actors. There,
a troop of actors. You've got some

854
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.159
great writing going on there. You
had good source material, solid, solid

855
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.920
source material. If you don't know
Lark and Roses listeners, I don't know

856
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.480
what to tell you. Again,
welcome to the internet. But you know

857
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.239
all this stuff coming together. Is
there any extra credit you want to give

858
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.599
to anybody or talk about how much
work you had to put into this,

859
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.960
because it sounds to me just basically
learning about what it is went into this.

860
00:55:55.480 --> 00:56:00.239
You did a lot of work and
you deserve a lot of the edit,

861
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:01.440
but there was a couple other people
like you, said the sound guy.

862
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.360
Anyway, I want to just make
sure that you get to credit anybody

863
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.880
you want, and again tell them
about the website and the things that are

864
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:12.360
available there. Go for it.
Yeah, I mean, I actually want

865
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.400
to comment on the project because we
were talking about you're talking about us them

866
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:20.639
shutting us down. I'm pretty white
pilled. I don't. I don't.

867
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:23.360
I don't think it can be stopped. I don't think it can be stopped.

868
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.039
I think it's going to get out
there. I don't I know what

869
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.559
you're saying. I think will be
okay. I think, and I think

870
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:34.960
if people are worried, we have
our servers in Eastern Europe in a very

871
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.679
safe place. So the website if
no matter what, you can go to

872
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:42.519
the website and watch the things.
As far as the cast goes, you

873
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.119
know, I'm not I can't stay
with directors running right run out of the

874
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:46.639
mouth about the actors. It's like
watch the film and you decide whether you

875
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:52.639
like the actors. You know,
but I'm happy with them and I never

876
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:54.599
met. So we were gonna cast
the film. I had. I had

877
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.440
a couple. I had been doing
this. I've been doing this for years

878
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.840
and I knew some I wouldn't say
they're a household names, but actors that

879
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.800
are like I know, I'm one
of the guys is in the Marvel movies.

880
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.960
Was gonna be play mister Smith and
YadA YadA yah. And I had

881
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.320
another guy. And then I got
a call from the Union because I was

882
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.119
going to do a sag all your
low budget, which just because they own

883
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.639
the actors. And this was right
during the insanity and the guy's like,

884
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.679
well, you know about the COVID
restrictions, right, And I was like,

885
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.800
well, what's that? And they
were like, well, you're gonna

886
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.400
have to have Basically they have this
created this whole career for this, these

887
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:30.199
COVID apparatics that work on set,
and they'd make sure that you all have

888
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.440
masks on. Then everybody tests every
day gets that PCR tests, and and

889
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.480
if somebody pops a positive on that
PCR test, you have to shut down

890
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.559
for fourteen days or twelve days,
or they have to leave set for twelve

891
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:43.880
days. Action goes down in that
case of why forget it? If you're

892
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:45.519
if you're not, if you're if
you're not a studio with ten million dollars

893
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.440
or fifty million dollars or hundred million
or a billion dollars, it's over once

894
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.840
when you're an indie film. Once
the once the starting gun goes, there's

895
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.440
no stopping or you're done. There's
no way I could have put it rapp

896
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:59.000
in a hotel Ford, but that
you never even be able to pay for

897
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:00.239
it. You'd never even be able
to pay for what did they call that?

898
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.800
The isolation? I forget what was
it to where you got to pull

899
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.920
yourself out and like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd

900
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.760
never be able to pay for just
that forget. I know, I know

901
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:15.000
there, but what if the lead
actor of the test buzzit if it's over,

902
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:16.480
I'm not, There's no way.
So I had to go back and

903
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:22.840
recast everybody, and I cast everybody
except for mister Jones legal man online,

904
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:28.320
and I basically just had like an
hour conversation with him and just gave him

905
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:30.840
my vision, which I found is
really powerful to get sure I people have

906
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.880
their vision, and then I just
met them on set. It's like we

907
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.800
never rehearsed nothing. And uh,
you know, I met mister Jones beforehand

908
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.280
because he's you know, I've known
him and and I you know, you'll

909
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:49.039
have to make your own decision if
you watch the film. But I thought

910
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:52.400
that the cast was outrageously good,
Like I can't believe I'll blessed. We

911
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:58.119
had so many blessings that I knew
we were onto something against so many crazy,

912
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:00.599
terrible things that happened that every time
we just needed that thing to happen

913
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:04.360
that would make it work, it
worked. So I knew we were onto

914
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.679
something. But I think I think, I don't think it's stoppable. I

915
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.880
think this film is gonna get out
there and be in the cultural with you

916
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:15.280
and be a cult classic. I
just there's too many people. Again,

917
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:17.679
you could be right, we could
get crushed, but there's just so much

918
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:22.119
energy for the thing, so many
people. It's it's it's slowly building,

919
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:24.840
you know. And I can't guarantee
this, but I would put good money

920
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:30.159
that in our budget range we're the
top selling film in America. I would

921
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.000
put good money on that. We're
We're not, you know, we haven't

922
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.960
made a million dollars yet, but
the thing is selling pretty well and it's

923
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:38.800
selling all over the world, and
the responses we're getting are incredible. Like

924
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:43.960
people, I've gotten responses you've mentioned
earlier, Teachers, lots of teachers want

925
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.320
to show it to the children,
their kids, their students. I've had

926
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.280
teachers that have showed to their students. And so it's to the point where

927
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.280
I think I'm gonna do a version
where we beep out the bad words to

928
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.960
show it to kids. Okay,
yeah, okay, you know what,

929
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:00.239
that would not be a bad thing. And I'll tell you, just to

930
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.480
add to what you're saying, I
know that you know, uh, look,

931
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.280
I hope you're absolutely right there.
You're not gonna have any resistance here,

932
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.840
would be great, because here's the
thing. I started to hear about

933
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:14.679
this all over the place as soon
as the preview dropped, and uh,

934
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:19.280
the second that somebody got a chance
to see this thing, and I started

935
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.480
hearing about it from a very diverse
group of people that normally would not agree

936
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.320
on stuff. And by the way, Legal Man great does great shows.

937
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.719
It does great demonstrations and explains great
few things to people. I like him

938
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.039
just anyway. But I didn't.
I didn't care because you know when he's

939
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.400
being when he when he's doing his
part, I'm not worried about it.

940
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.760
It's uh, I don't. I
don't see Legal Man. I see the

941
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.920
character. He's good job anyway,
but but he but he but he is

942
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.079
a great guy. If you've never
checked out Legal Man, I advise you

943
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.239
guys to do that anyhow. But
I know somebody already listened to him.

944
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:54.519
All right, So I started hearing
about this. You won't believe it,

945
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:59.000
blah blah blah. And I kind
of ignored it at first because I said,

946
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:00.159
yeah, I saw the car too, and they were like, no,

947
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.960
no, no, you don't understand
this is now. I said,

948
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:07.800
oh, really, well that's interesting. But what did they do? They

949
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.800
just did like a quick enactment and
I had to have these guys, a

950
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.320
bunch of different guys come at me
all at once. They don't know this,

951
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.039
by the way, because I have
been now all you guys who wrote

952
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:20.119
to me. Yeah, there was
a bunch of you who did that,

953
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.039
and it was very strange. It's
a very diverse group of people. I

954
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:28.119
think you hit the nail on the
head. You have created something that is

955
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:34.400
going to stick, definitely in the
segment that fully understands what it is you're

956
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.760
doing. But I want to see
it go further than that. YE say

957
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:43.360
further? Yeah, yeah, I
agree. So that's what I'm worried about.

958
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.440
Actually, I'm not worried about the
Listen. The choir that you really

959
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.760
want to preach to. They got
it. I think you're gonna get it.

960
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.639
And the second they hear this,
you're gonna have some more you do

961
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.920
another podcast. It's just gonna grow, and it's just gonna be a matter

962
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.880
of Oh, I just didn't hear
about it yet because a lot of people

963
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.480
try to keep their heads down as
far as you know new movies and things,

964
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:06.239
they often forget that there's still some
independent filmmakers who are not absolutely bought

965
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.360
and paid for. I want to
step on that for a second. I

966
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:12.440
wanted to bring that up because we
do talk a lot about getting it in

967
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.000
the hands of normies. But I
also really get a kick out of hopefully

968
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:21.679
providing content for us. Are people
the freedom people that they can watch and

969
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:23.679
know that the director is is on
the side of the people. And I've

970
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:28.400
never there's not gonna be propaganda in
mind. You're you're never gonna go like

971
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:31.000
every other film you watch now where
you the Hollywood film where you they're a

972
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:34.079
line, there's a lie, you
know, they're Oh, I see what

973
01:02:34.119 --> 01:02:37.000
they're doing right there. I'm on
the side of the people and I always

974
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.519
will be. And so I like
getting content that people can watch and they

975
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.400
can feel like I don't have to
swallow that. I don't know if we

976
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:47.199
can swear on here, it's okay, you know, you can have to

977
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.559
swallow that ship sandwiches to sit through
the whole film, you know, so

978
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:52.239
exactly, Oh, I don't have
to sit here and take this. Okay,

979
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.239
they're normalizing that now, yeah,
okay, now, they're giving me

980
01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:00.760
this. Okay, there's the demonic
message, all right, there's yeah,

981
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:04.920
I know that's what you wind up
doing if if you're somebody who does this

982
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.800
analysis, uh, you know,
and and it drives you crazy. No,

983
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:13.199
he's one of our filmmakers for sure. But see the trick here is

984
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.400
I still want to see it get
out there way further than us. I

985
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:21.000
think you you you've already hit the
right chords for anybody who is, you

986
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.079
know, an independent thinker, you
should appreciate this movie. If you are

987
01:03:24.119 --> 01:03:29.280
an independent thinker, if you realize
that the system is not working for you.

988
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.920
Okay, because unless you're one of
the owners. You know, we

989
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:38.400
had these discussions recently. There are
owners out there and they don't really own

990
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.719
the big plantation. Uh. It
reminds me also of what Larry Pickney had

991
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:45.920
said to me many times years ago. We have all become free range slaves.

992
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:49.960
Uh. And you know he was
one of the original Black Panthers and

993
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.320
all that, so you know,
I take it pretty seriously what he had

994
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:58.480
to say. And I used to
quote I love that quote. I love

995
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.920
that saying free range slaves, that
they re range slaves, because well,

996
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.239
here it is you know what,
they give you the idea you can go

997
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.400
wherever you want. Wait a minute, I don't want to quote your movie,

998
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.559
but but I do. I do, and you guys will want to

999
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.239
quote this movie as well, because
there is a lot in it, and

1000
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:19.039
like I said, some of it's
starring. Some people might ignorantly glance at

1001
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:23.280
it and think it's about race.
It really is not. The mechanism of

1002
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:29.360
slavery is there because it's necessary.
Slavery is not exclusive to the black white

1003
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:33.960
paradigm, by the way, historically
speaking, it is not exclusive to it.

1004
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:38.599
Is it a little more recent than
some others. Yeah, but as

1005
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:42.760
we speak today, there's slavery on
the planet by anybody's definition. By the

1006
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:46.840
way, even if you rejected everything
in your a piece of work, guess

1007
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:51.360
what you'd have to concede that there
is slavery on the planet. There will

1008
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:56.719
continue to be slavery on the planet. And exactly how sophisticated it is and

1009
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.159
how it runs and everything else.
You might learn something if watch Jones Plantation.

1010
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.679
So that's all I'm gonna say to
you. And you know I don't

1011
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:10.480
throw out there quite often guys that
you're going to learn something, even when

1012
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:15.039
I tell you I'm entertained by something, or the information is good, maybe

1013
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:18.119
you already know it. It's okay
if you notice, I don't tell you

1014
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:24.400
that you're gonna learn something by watching
what is the dramatization? Usually I'm more

1015
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:30.960
of a documentary kind of guy.
But if you don't learn something watching Jones

1016
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:34.280
Plantation, then you fell asleep.
Put it back in, watch it again

1017
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:39.599
because you fell asleep. Okay,
it's just that simple. You fell asleep,

1018
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:43.239
or you're incapable of complex thought,
or you're incapable of seeing the world

1019
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.559
around you, or maybe you're just
incapable. Anyway, there's a lot to

1020
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:51.199
be learned in this movie. And
again, it's h Jones Plantation Film dot

1021
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:56.119
Com altogether one word, right,
Yes, Joe's Plantation Film dot Com.

1022
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:59.280
Okay, And is there anything else
that we need to know about this?

1023
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.679
Outside? Again, you can get
the film there, you can get the

1024
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:05.599
download. You can get a poster
there, director's commentary. The other merch,

1025
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:09.239
what other merches there? Is there? Some other merch. We've got

1026
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:12.880
the posters, shirts, We've got
a flag. The Jones Plantation flag is

1027
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.960
for sale on there. Oh no, you got the flag there? Yeah,

1028
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.920
And we're good. We're adding stuff
all the time. We're adding stuff

1029
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:25.559
all the time. We're gonna have
hats soon. We're gonna have DVD soon

1030
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.039
too. That's a whole. That's
a whole. That technology is really tough

1031
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.480
nowadays. This hard. You can't
drop ship it nowadays. I have to.

1032
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.079
I'm trying to. I want to
find somebody reputable. I think I

1033
01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:35.079
found someone, and we have to
basically order room and buy him and ship

1034
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:39.719
ourselves. But I do want that
option available to people. And we'll make

1035
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.280
like a really souped up We'll have
the director's commentary on it, We'll have

1036
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:45.639
all of the behind the scenes stuff
on it. I might even throw my

1037
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.039
thesis film on there, and we'll
figure something else out on there too.

1038
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:53.519
So that would be great, especially
if you included the original cartoon in there.

1039
01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:56.079
I think that's great. That's a
good idea. Yeah too, Yeah,

1040
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:59.679
yeah, you know, and just
as a bonus piece, And I

1041
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.280
would suggest here we go. Now
I'm making suggestions to you. I'll tell

1042
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.960
you what I would be really happy
to buy is if you gave me the

1043
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.679
blue ray and the DVD in a
package. I was wondering about that.

1044
01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:12.960
What's the deal I was thinking,
so we make blue rays or DVDs?

1045
01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:15.079
Should we do packs with both of
them? Is that I I should do

1046
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.000
it? Well, that's what I
felt comfortable with buying the last thing that

1047
01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:21.800
I actually went and bought a brand
new kind of expensive film that I wanted

1048
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.880
real bad. I wanted both.
I didn't think that's not a bad idea.

1049
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.480
Let me marinate on that. I
like that because I have actually been

1050
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.119
beaten around we make DVDs or make
blue rays? I didn't know. Yeah,

1051
01:07:32.199 --> 01:07:34.800
well, by the time you're into
that production. From what I understand

1052
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:39.480
now, I am not. I've
recently produced hats and other stuff like this,

1053
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.480
but I haven't done any DVDs or
anything like that. And I but

1054
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:46.559
from what I'm told, if you
if you're already into that production, it's

1055
01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:50.559
only going to be a little bit
more to produce one more disc. I

1056
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.559
don't know how to do that.
I liked. I really liked that idea.

1057
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.440
Good good job, Thank you for
that. You know a lot.

1058
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.480
The thing about you can't see it
behind me right now, it's a little

1059
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.800
dark in this room. But the
JFK documentary I just bought, I made

1060
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:06.280
sure to get. I got both
things, which was only a couple of

1061
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:10.519
dollars more to get both in the
package. So it's just kind of like

1062
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:14.599
technology proving yourself because it's an old
technology, so you kind of you'll be

1063
01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:16.199
able to watch it. You're not
gonna get screwed out of watching it when

1064
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:18.279
you're buy it and they don't have
the right technology to watch it with.

1065
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:20.720
I like that a lot. Actually, Yeah, that's a good idea.

1066
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:24.960
That's a good idea. Yeah,
and you already have the digital so I

1067
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:28.960
mean the digitals can become you know, portable and all that kind of stuff,

1068
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:30.399
and once you get on to be
and uh, you know some of

1069
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:32.920
these other platforms they have, you
know, where you can keep the library

1070
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:35.439
and all that. I hate that
stuff, by the way, but I

1071
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:39.560
know a lot of people live and
die by it. You know, who

1072
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:43.600
we play and all that which it
has to be visibly on YouTube, premier

1073
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:45.720
and all that kind of stuff.
So yeah, Voodoo Voodoo was one of

1074
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.039
the I don't know voodoo still around, but I know voodoo was a thing.

1075
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:50.600
Right Who does the thing? I
don't I think I think they're still

1076
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.680
around. I think who loser of
it? I think who lose more?

1077
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:57.600
I don't think yeah, who loves
more of a commercial thing, It doesn't

1078
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.479
matter. I'd say throw it on
everything that you can and if you can,

1079
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:02.159
because I would again, I'd like
to see this in a lot of

1080
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:05.399
people's hands, because here's the key, and this is why this is one

1081
01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:10.279
of the better pieces of media that
you're going to see. I guarantee you

1082
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.199
this year, guys, because not
a lot of media out there of any

1083
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.680
kind to me. Okay, and
this is I've only been able to say

1084
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:23.000
this about twice this year. Three
times this year. There's only been three

1085
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.520
things that I've seen put out this
year that are even thought provoking. Okay,

1086
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.600
there is a lot of brain dead
nonsense out there. There's a lot

1087
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:33.319
of people that are regurgitating things,
that are getting stuff wrong that God bless

1088
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:40.840
them, they're trying, but they're
not accomplishing it. This accomplishes multiple tasks

1089
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.439
in one narrative. And by the
way, it's not a giant long movie.

1090
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:47.760
It's not even a huge long long
movie. It doesn't like, Okay,

1091
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.159
do I watch this in three parts? It's not even that long.

1092
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:54.920
It's not that long. It's not
paced in a way that makes you want

1093
01:09:54.960 --> 01:10:00.720
to no problems. It is it's
entertaining just as a movie first of all.

1094
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:05.000
Second because of the the oddity of
the larger than life characters, the

1095
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:13.479
proper source material, the incredible multilayered
messages that I think are universally important to

1096
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.039
anybody who can who can get their
hands on this thing, or all present

1097
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.520
or all presented well and overall.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go figure

1098
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:26.600
out if I can. I've never
rated anything on IMDb. Maybe I'm not

1099
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:29.960
trying to stuff your your ballot box
here. I'm gonna have to go over

1100
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:30.680
there and see if I can figure
out a way to rate it. I've

1101
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.159
never done it before. Maybe you
got to be a member. I don't

1102
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.000
know. I'm gonna find a way. I'm going to click a star That's

1103
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.479
all I gotta do it. If
you want to write a review, you

1104
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:43.279
can, but just click a star
log I'm doing that. I'm doing that,

1105
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.680
and I definitely support this work.
I want you guys to go get

1106
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:48.399
it. I think it'll be a
great By the way, since we are

1107
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.640
just about to enter September and I
know a lot of you still do things

1108
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:55.880
for Christmas, I think this is
a great Christmas gift. How about that?

1109
01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.600
I think this is something that you
should get for people. Give them

1110
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.680
the download, get your you know
code doing for the download and give it

1111
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:06.359
to somebody. Buy them the movie. You can buy a gift card on

1112
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.760
the website too and by and they
just go and buy it themselves. Okay,

1113
01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:12.960
I didn't know about the gift card, but I would think you just

1114
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.720
buy the movie, give them the
code and they got it. But tell

1115
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.479
you what, fine, buy the
gift card, by the by the merch

1116
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:23.039
whatever. I think this will make
a great Christmas gift. Okay. Uh.

1117
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:25.600
And I know it's only just we're
just about to go into September,

1118
01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:29.600
but my point stands, it's it's
that time where you got to start shopping

1119
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:31.880
for people and if you want them
to think, get them Jones Plantation.

1120
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:34.840
So I'll leave the last word on
this to you, and we're going to

1121
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:39.600
close out the live stream and the
video as well. Again, guys,

1122
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:43.119
I apologize I run my mouth a
lot, but there is way more to

1123
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:46.760
say than I said during this discussion
in this movie. Uh. And the

1124
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.760
movie's only like a little bit longer
than my podcast is going to be today,

1125
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:56.680
So it's but it's not that's not
There is zero negativity I have here.

1126
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:00.880
Actually, I've only got one criticism. Okay, one criticism, and

1127
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:08.039
uh, you're you're You're probably gonna
be like, yeah, but the wife

1128
01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.600
in this movie, I don't like
her. Uh hold on, no,

1129
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.760
hold on, you don't like her, you don't like her acting. She's

1130
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:16.720
I don't like her acting. She
takes me out of it for a moment,

1131
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:21.159
and I didn't like that. Everything
else proved nice, and she kind

1132
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:25.319
of knocked me down for a second. And I thought about it, and

1133
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:26.920
I said, you know what,
I'm gonna have to go back over it

1134
01:12:26.960 --> 01:12:30.159
again because I'm not sure why that
happened, but I think maybe there was

1135
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.920
meant to be a disconnect there.
But that's the first thing I've heard that.

1136
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:35.680
That's the first time i've heard that. But hey, everybody's got an

1137
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:40.039
opinion, you know. But there
you go and and and again everybody sees

1138
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.319
a different movie. Like you said, that's right, But other than that,

1139
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:45.199
it's only for like three seconds.
And I'm telling you the rest of

1140
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.840
this movie, it's are you?
Are you divorced? What's that? Are

1141
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.239
you divorced? Not at the moment, but I happened. I've had a

1142
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:55.279
couple of lives. I've had a
lot of people say that they drug the

1143
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:58.359
reminder of their ex wife. So
that's why I don't know, that's that's

1144
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:00.439
what's driving that. Yeah, you
know what, that might be right,

1145
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:05.319
That might be right, because yeah, yeah that works. Okay, now

1146
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:10.880
you've made sense that it's probably my
problem. But the film is overall made

1147
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:15.520
really well, and again objectively,
it's made really well. It's got great

1148
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:19.359
source material, great lesson, great
metaphors. I love the acting throughout it.

1149
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:26.359
Even like the fact that you see
the unification and subdivision of the slave

1150
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.560
class. Yeah. I paused on
that for a reason because that'll be most

1151
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:35.039
of us anyways. Pay no attention
to me. I'm crazy. But if

1152
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:39.039
you watch this and it doesn't bother
you, and it doesn't get through to

1153
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:43.119
you, watch it again or again, make sure you stay awake next time

1154
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:46.079
because you fell asleep you didn't see
it. You gotta see this movie,

1155
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:49.960
Jones Plantation. It's great. I
am. I'm just flat out endorsing it.

1156
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:57.680
It's the best dramatic piece that I've
seen this year, guaranteed. All

1157
01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:00.319
right, So that's the way it
is. And oh, by the way,

1158
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.000
it's actually educational. So I'm definitely
gonna get If he puts out the

1159
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:06.439
Blu ray and the DVD, I'm
definitely gonna do that. And again,

1160
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:11.039
you know, you got to go
to Jones Film Wait, excuse me,

1161
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:15.000
Jones Plantation film dot com. It's
a little along, but I'm gonna give

1162
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:17.119
you the links in the show notes
so that you can go there and click

1163
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:21.840
on it yourself. If you see
this spreaker on my website, the links

1164
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:26.319
will be there. I don't know
if we're gonna put anything else besides that,

1165
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.279
but if you go there, you
get this movie. I'm telling you,

1166
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:31.159
buy it for somebody else, buy
it for yourself, show it to

1167
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.760
other people, do all that.
It's worth it. It's a little jarring,

1168
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:39.960
I'm telling you. I'm thinking a
lot of people are gonna feel uncomfortable.

1169
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:43.800
Stay with it. It's good.
It's good to be uncomfortable. That's

1170
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:46.960
how you're gonna learn. And if
you're not uncomfortable with the lessons that are

1171
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:51.640
learned in this movie, well you
know, I'm sorry for you, but

1172
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.760
you should be uncomfortable. There is
some discomfort here. There are some disquieting

1173
01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.840
things and you need to learn about
them. So I'm gonna leave it at

1174
01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:03.279
that and again this is uh,
this was a great opportunity to talk to

1175
01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:06.199
you. We didn't do any commercials, none of that stuff tonight. Uh,

1176
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:10.399
just straight ahead. We did the
show and on video. You guys

1177
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.000
got to put up with me too
much. I'm sorry, but no worries.

1178
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:16.439
Guys. This is a great movie. Go get it. Jones Plantation

1179
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.640
Film dot com. All right,
thank you so much. I appreciate it,

1180
01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:30.600
man, I appreci thank you.
All right, thank you. This

1181
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:33.159
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