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It's the same as being free. You offer them a truth that they don't
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Every man does their freedom for freedom isn't free. I'm Nathaniel Jones, and
I prove this message. God bless you, and God bless this gloys to
loose. Okay, for those on the live stream, letting you know that
you're just listening to or yeah, on the live stream you're listening to if
you're watching the video. You saw it the preview for a movie about Jones's
plantation. You might have heard that phrase before. You might have seen a
cartoon about it before. But I only recently saw the movie. Now I'm
gonna find out from somebody who helped put that movie out there, somebody who
well, there's a story, But I'm gonna let him tell it. I
kind of know it already. I don't want to spoil anything. I don't
want to spoil the movie for you, but if you're not familiar with Jones's
plantation, at first, it's a little jarring, it's a little odd.
It looks like a period piece. It definitely smacks somewhere in between independent and
corporate looking film. It looks pro enough that you're not sure if you're looking
at Netflix or you know, or something that Amazon might have paid for.
Maybe not super high budget, but high enough. There's plenty of people,
there seems to be a nice backdrop. There's definitely some artistic intent in it.
But is it fully polished? No, and I think that was intentional.
I'm gonna find out though, right now, because I've got this guy
with us now. I don't want to butcher your name and I get mine
butchered all the time. I got a feeling that you and I, uh
might share some ancestry somewhere, so I'm gonna let you give your full name.
But Drew, this is great. I want to talk to you about
this. This is uh, this is something I want to point people to.
It doesn't cost that much to get it. It's well worth getting.
Don't just get the previews and that crappy weird thing that somebody slug together on
YouTube and I think they took down. There was a weird like bootleg thing
up there for a minute. I don't know if you know about that,
Drew. Yeah, we've been we've been smacking stuff down since we got Going.
I love this, I love Yeah, it's okay ever since you got
Going. Look, it's great that the information gets out there. I'm sure
you want people to steal your preview, but not the movie. Okay,
go get the movie the right way, and I'm sure Drew is going to
tell us how to do that. Also, if you're looking at the video
on rock Fin, you'll see in the background behind Drew an interesting poster there.
I love this story. Do me a favor. Introduce yourself to the
listeners of the Ochelli Effect. We started a little weird tonight. Usually I
give an introduction and all this, and instead we just played the trailer a
little different. So, but then again, it's deserving of the film we're
going to discuss here. I'm only going to try and keep you for about
an hour. Even though we started a little late, but this is something
that we could discuss for the next two days, no problem. So first,
please introduce yourself to us, tell us about your film company, what
it is that you do, generally speaking, and then we'll get into the
history of this particular piece of work, because this is a piece of work,
so good go ahead, Drew. You just take the floor and explain
first who you are, however it is you want to describe yourself. I
know you're a filmmaker, et cetera, but I'd rather you do the introduction
to the audience because you and I have never sat down and talked before.
So go ahead. Hey, thanks for having me. My name is Andrew
Treglia. Surprised as you butcher my name. Since you got to tell you
in the last name, you should be able to know Chelly. That's easy.
Yeah, but if you think it's easy, but it's not. And
I was gonna say Treglia, but I wasn't sure because some people make you
get rid of the g depends on what region they're from, so it could
be Trelia, could be yeah too if I want to sound pretentious, but
it's Treglia. See what American? Yeah, ethickly cleansed American. It's Treglia.
Yeah. I directed and produced and edited the film, among other jobs.
And yeah, it's a weird intro for a weird film for sure.
No, definitely. And the film is jarring too. I want to prepare
you for this, guys. This is It's smooth, but it's not smooth.
Okay, it's sort of like those first couple I like drinking whiskey.
It's sort of like those first couple of slugs of whiskey. Sometimes it's not
always smooth, but it gets smooth, and it has to get smoothed because
the ideas that are contained in this thing. Look, this is not just
a piece of art. It's making a hell of a point. But I
don't want to spoil any of that. But what do you mean by it
thought smooth? Tell me what you mean. I'm so curious to see what
your opinion is of it. Oh, there are some jarring aspects to this,
some of the some of the I don't know who did the color on
this, but whoever selected it was definitely trying to assault me the way I
see it, and I appreciate it. I think it needs to be that
way. It's not meant for me to be comfortable during this film. I
don't feel good about watching any of this. Okay, did you laughing on
it? Does this have comedy of this? Oh? Yeah, no,
I found certain parts funny. I'm saying that visually it was striking, and
it was and it was a bit like it kept me uncomfortable in a way
that a lot of polished Hollywood stuff does not do, even if they're trying
to do it. And I felt this discomfort not only because of the subject
matter. And I tried to go into it thinking maybe he did something different
here. It's different than the story I know, uh, and et cetera.
Not gonna say what is different here, but this is an important thing
and and it is it makes points there and I'm actually watching it on three
different levels at one time. This is this is great, this is this
is a hell of a piece of work. And it was just jarring to
me all the way around. The language, the attitude of the actors,
uh, the way it was done. It's just it's very raw. It
comes off very raw, and I think that must have been your intent.
Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm reading into it. Tell me, well,
I mean, everybody they say everybody watches a film and everybody sees a
different film. So but every people ask me what the films about, and
it's but there is, you know, there is a synopsis and everything,
but it's it's very hard. I just say to people, I give them
the tagline that we all live on Jones Plantation. So you think you're watching
us film and it's gonna be you know, terrible white people and the press
black people, and then you get in there and you realize that this has
really absolutely nothing to do about race, that it's an allegory and a satire
of the control system that we currently live under, which uh, you know,
obviously we're looking at it through history and through the through the eyes of
a you know, a chadow slave plantation. But you know, basically what
happens is that the slaves are getting up ay and the plantations in real trouble
financially in the in the uh, the owners of it, mister and missus
Jones are Beluja are are afraid they're gonna lose. They're gonna they're gonna get
lose the plantation and be attacked and killed by the slaves. So they bring
in a fixer and uh, He basically turns the plantation from chadow slavery into
uh uh, debt slavery and slavery through psychological manipulation, psy op and mind
control. Right now, this is metaphoric. And if you see me disappear,
don't don't worry about it. It's a camera giving me a problem,
or it's a show must gone, the show mus gone. We're gonna go
on. We're gonna get this point through. I promise you. Okay,
you just gave the whole metaphor away, and I'm telling you, even though
you did that, it's still not going to spoil the film because this evokes
a lot of different thoughts. It's not just that simple. Even though he
did tell you the story, it's not it's I think we're not hiding the
metaphor. I mean, we want to get like I said, the tackle
one of film is we all live on Jones Plantation, so that we're not
hiding that. In fact, that's one of the hardest things about getting it
out, because you want to tell people that this is not your grandfather's slave
movie, but at the same time you don't want to give it away.
But you really can't give this one away. I mean, I always say,
we're early on in the production. We knew that with the budget we
had, we were never gonna be able to compete with with with a period
drama piece, which is kind of what the screenwriter had in mind in the
beginning, and I knew that it had to be. Basically, we're trying
to make a call film, which in my mind is a film that's just
a one off, and it really has aspects of all genre. And so
I think we pulled that off. And so basically, if you can watch
a film, you like it, you don't like it, but I promise
you you've never seen anything like it. And Okay, now now I see
again, like you said, everybody sees a different film. Actually, I
think I have seen lots of things like it. I got more of the
vibe from it that you threw everything into it. Kind of okay, because
I got reminded of little bits of Django, I got reminded of little bits
of roots. I got reminded of lots of stuff that I've already got stored
in my brain. But like you said, it is not your your Daddy's
a slave movie. That's for damn sure. Why Because it's not just there
to punish the institution, which look fair enough. You want to punish the
institution, and you do, but that's not the point of this necessarily.
This is something else. And even when you put the point out there,
I think it's still uh, it's still a journey to go through it and
really realize what's happening. Let's let's break down just the first part of the
film, okay, okay, because because I love this, it's this is
where I got jarred right away, okay, is that it seemed very rough.
The the the plantation owner was kind of cartoon need to me yea,
you know, and all the characters are cartoon. They're all they're all larger
than life. It's all heightened reality. We think. That's if you noticed,
they're all I want to almost like memes they all have. That's why
they were the Basically the main guys were the same outfits throughout the film.
Uh. And if you notice the when you talked about color earlier, the
three main guys they have very they're very saturated, and then you have the
slaves. They're living out in abject poverty. It's very earth tones, very
flat. Yeah, but they're unified. See that's the weird thing. You
definitely presented visually that you have this unified group and then you have these very
striking, larger than life again meant to be almost parodies of themselves at certain
points. I mean, it almost looks to me, I don't know what
happened behind the scenes, but it almost looks to me like some of these
guys had to be laughing the rasses off after you were done filming because of
some of the lines they had to deliver. The way they delivered them.
Oh my god, we have no idea, I mean, not that way.
We did not. That was a brutal, brutal shoot. You know.
The whole time, I kept just going, Okay, this is horrible,
but my grandfather had to work in a coal mine. He was twelve.
That's just I kept reminding myself of what my grandfather went through, because
it was like, I'm just making a film. This isn't as hard as
it could be, but it was. It was ruthless on so many levels.
But that said, particularly me and mister Jones, because we just stayed
an airbnb while we were there, I mean, we had I haven't laughed
at part since I was a kid. To night we'd be laughing so hard
we'd be crying at some of a because a lot of stuff we got to
set and we rewrote. I mean I was writing while we were shooting,
just based on the organic nature of how the production was going and what was
happening with the characters and how they were developing. And I definitely wanted a
lot of humor in it. And you say, you've seen the film like
this for you've seen stuff like this in the culture, You've seen stuff in
films. But I challenge you to find a film they like this film that
you've seen before. What's the mean? You know what I mean? Like
that was that was the point I was gonna come to later as I've seen
all the elements before, but I've never seen but I've never seen a film
that did this. And that's why I wanted to talk about the introduction and
the way it starts. Do you mind if we go through the story at
the very beginning, because I love this uh and like you started to describe,
Okay, there's a plantation, he's having some troubles. Obviously we're in
you know, the slave times, you're in that period, you are immersed
in it. It is there. It is weird. You're not looking for
wrisk watches, Okay, you know, like you were during what was it
Spartacus, you're looking for wrist watches, right, No, No, it's
nothing like that. You're definitely there, but it's still this weird jarring thing
where you have this heavy contrast between the reality outside and what goes on within
the plantation. Now it also felt rather confined, which it is interesting to
me. So there are people that are tied to this piece of land.
I get that from the beginning. That's sort of a subtext that's sort of
generated here. But let's get into the story for a moment. And I
don't think this will spoil it at all. This guy shows up and look
it we'll just mention race because it's relevant, all right, And why is
it relevant? Because it becomes irrelevant. Hang on, guys, I'll get
there. Here's the thing. Black guy shows up says, you know,
look, I'm here to do the job. The white plantation owner with his
wife says, Okay, I'm only accepting this whatever it is you're gonna do,
because you came highly recommended. And I know I've got some troubles here,
but I don't know you could tell already this guy doesn't feel good again.
I felt almost like that Django scene when they go in and you know
they're dealing with that. And by the way, I'm not that big.
I like Tarantino stills, but I don't like that one. But I thought
the first half of Jango was great, and I thought it just ran on
and on exactly Wait, you could get side truck on him. His editor
died and his films haven't been his films haven't been edited as properly. The
Kim and his editor used to get and they were from film school together,
and they used to get knocked down, drag out, crying fights over adits.
She would fight for his for the edits, and he doesn't have it
anymore. If you've noticed not knocking him. He's one of the all time
greats. I love his films, but if you notice the editing isn't quite
the same once she died. If you noticed that, the film's drag and
he's in love with his dialogue and you know what I mean. So,
but you're talking about Smith Smith being black. Mister Smith the Fixer is black,
and I want to bring that up because that was important in the little
animated one that kind of went viral called the Jones Plantation. The Larkin made
Larkin Rosemay back in the day, everybody's white all on this plantation. And
I knew when we decided to turn this into a feature film that if we
had everybody be white on the plantation, that people would turn us on race.
And so we met. We had this moment. We were developing this
in this warehouse and down in the mountains of Phoenix, and we had this
moment where like Smith's Black. It was like a big moment in the film,
and so that was all your decision. Then well, you know,
Larkin got made it like thirty seconds, like one second before I came up
with it, Like he's like Smith Black, and I was like Smith Black.
And then we had like this moment We're like hugging each other. It
was like it was awesome. But that had to happen because it had to
happen. You know why it had to happen. Let me let me see
if I got your thinking here or if I'm off on my own track.
It had to happen because here's the thing. You gotta send people that you
know are allegedly relatable to you in there to convince you to sign on to
things, don't you know. So yeah, that's the way it works.
It was also with the audience too. I mean, we didn't want the
audience out there to turn us into a race movie, right, and it's
definitely not. Even though I'm bringing up race, guys, this is not
a race movie. He's He's right. I mean, look, anybody defends
themselves nowadays and says, oh, this isn't about race. Sometimes it is.
Yeah, I'm just letting you know, Drew's not lying here. Yeah,
so I would call you out on it. I would say, oh,
yeah, bs, dude, yeah, you did this about race.
This isn't race. Race is a mechanic here. It goes useful to the
viewer, but it's not the point of what's being told here at all.
Okay, So anyway, but let's get back to this story. The black
fixer shows up, okay, and again I'm giving the synopsis of just the
very beginning, and they're not happy about this. Okay. He goes to
go and greet the slaves. The slaves are gathered together as they would sometimes,
you know, they'd allow him to gather together so they could direct them
this is the way cotton plantations. And it turns out, by the way
you find out it's cotton plantation, so it's very typical. Makes sense all
that. Anyway, he says, look, I'm here on, mister Smith,
and he has a little bit of a back and forth before this with
the plantation owner that you got to trust me, you gotta go with me
on this. And this has so nothing to do with the slavery. It's
so funny. But hang on, it does have to do with slavery,
just maybe not the slavery you think. Anyway, The thing is, he
says, basically, look, and if you've seen Larkin Rose's cartoon before,
indeed the same points are made. But this is so much better. And
I loved that cartoon by the way. I even loved when people talked about
it on like infographics and crap, because it was like it was so great.
It made a great point the first time around. This to me,
though, I can relate to this, and I was immersed in it again,
I was getting knocked around. I felt emotionally jarred by a bunch of
this stuff. The fact that these guys are larger than life, like we
were talking about before, makes this even bigger, and I'm getting involved here
where I get involved, I'm going to leave that to you guys to figure
out. And you, guys, if you watch it, you'll get involved.
You'll put yourself in this if you're paying attention anyway. So he says
to the slaves, listen, I'm taking over the plantation, all right,
And this is no longer the way it was. A matter of fact,
you're all free. You're all free, but you might not want to leave
because if you go outside of here, there are terrible people outside of here.
Now, we got to continue to protect you from these terrible people.
You got to stay connected to the land. You understand, for your safety.
But if you want to go, you can. I mean, you
know that's up to you. But it's dangerous, dangerous. Instead, you
can stay here, and now you can work for yourself instead of just working
for this one man over here. He's gonna work with you. I mean,
he knows how to run a plantation, so he's gonna work with you,
and he's gonna run things still. But you know, you guys are
all partners. You're all free. He's the manager, he's gonna serve.
He's here to serve you. Now he works. You guys are working together.
Now, Yeah, it's like he's just another worker here. It just
said he has some skills. So because he has those skills, you know,
we're gonna let him still kind of do the same job he was doing.
But no longer does he own You know, you're all free now.
Nobody says anything in the first time through, and everybody goes, h this
is interesting. Maybe they don't trust it. I love the progression, by
the way. It felt very natural. I would have thought that it would
have gotten rushed like the cartoon was. It didn't very good job there,
and you didn't drag stuff out, you know. Apparently you don't have the
same problem quitting does. And I love Tarantino stuff early stuff for sure,
and some of the later stuff. But again, yeah, things are dragging
anyway. The point is that I really appreciate what you did here because for
some reason, even though it didn't take a long time for this to expand,
I didn't feel like it was taking. I didn't feel like it got
short shripped. It seemed natural. It was weird. Even though it was
short, it seemed natural. So I like it anyway. In a short
amount of time. And I'm not going to give too many details going on
out from here because you need to see this, guys. But in a
short amount of time, maybe there's some people start to question what's going on
here and is this really what's happening? And you know, you might find
yourself starting to connect to some of the slave because I don't know, I
saw people I knew in those slaves all of a sudden, not because of
what they looked like, but because of maybe some of the questions that they
started to ask, and what would happen to them if they behaved certain ways?
And what is really the definition of stealing? What is really the definition
of ownership? Who owns who, who owns what? Et cetera. These
are all relevant questions and I love this. I spoke to Lark and Rose
once a long time ago, and uh, you know, he was definitely
not talking about this, but but man, oh man, the fact that
that that one piece that he did, you know, inspired this. It's
like, I'm surprised that it went this well. By the way, this
should be on some kind of DVD set out there. Uh, definitely as
part of an educational film. It definitely looks like think if somebody were to
just glance at it, it's a period piece maybe and all that, But
at the same time, way different lessons in here. Now, where should
we go in this discussion and describing this? I mean you already gave away
the whole synopsis, really the lesson that has to be learned. Guess what
you know a sort of that that whole concept of when you're on a cell
phone, maybe you should get the most important information out quickly because the cell
phone might die on you and you might not get the rest of the conversation
out. Well, Andrew already did that. Okay, Well, I mean,
you know that's the funny thing. You say that because you think that
maybe some people listen to this podcast might catch it. But you look around
the world today and you see what's going on and people still can't catch on.
So I believe it or not, it doesn't matter. I could tell
them what they're going to learn when they get in there, and they're still
will have to learn it when they see the film. And you mentioned earlier
about connecting with the slaves, you're also going to connect hopefully if you are
enjoying yourself with the uh with the owners in the Smith. Everything's everything's a
metaphor. So you'll you'll see We've talked about this a lot where you people,
especially at screenings, people said this where they they'll now that they've seen
the film, they'll be in life and they'll see this. They'll see a
like a political campaign ad or a politician say something or a anneurism and go
up Jones Plantation. Oh that's Jones Plantation. And I've been mister Smith by
the way. Look I got put in it little personal, little personal detail.
I worked for X on Mobile briefly and what was I in resource?
Human resources and uh, personnel management. So guess what I've been mister Smith
already. And I didn't know it at the time. I got disgusted with
it after a short amount of time and I had to get out of there.
Well that's way because getting on of sociopath Yeah that is take the psychico
path. Yeah, that was the And that's the thing is that the guy
who comes in like your friend, who is telling you that not only as
he set you free, but don't worry, you're gonna be able to do
for yourself now. And we have a system by which you can do for
yourself. Hint, hint, we have a system by which you can gather
things. Oh but by the way, don't try to take away anything you
actually created, because you know that might be considered stealing. But but you
know, don't pay any attention to any of that. Yeah, there's a
lot of metaphor in there. This is a great film, and I'm really
pleased with it. I did not expect somebody to do something like this again
anytime in this in this time period, because I see people that only want
to amplify and have things echoed back to them. They want to be in
an echo chamber where they have a predetermined destination all the time. And we're
calling it. We're calling it the vanguard film of the uh. I'm starting
this the American dissident cinema movement. This hope, I hope to inspires a
bunch of discident filmmakers and all artists. Really well, you know, you
keep beating me to all my lines. I want you to know that because
I was gonna say, I hope some other people take this as a signal
that they can create something that has a level of sophistication, because here it
is too. I mean, I'm gonna be blunt. It is entertaining in
and of itself if you think about it on the one level, and you
maybe have a hint that there's something wrong with the monetary system where there's no
upward mobility for you, or maybe you see that there's no way that you
get anywhere without certain advantages already being handed to you in the first place.
You're gonna find some of your echo coming back at you in this movie.
But that's not all that's there. The way society is ordered, the way
politics is ordered, the way the media is ordered, even is all demonstrated
here. I mean, there's one area where things are sounded off mostly you
know, they get together in the you know, what could be the town
square, what could be the community hall, what could be that church,
the local gathering point that is accepted by the controllers. And here's the funny
part. You know, the slave master, the plantation owner, he is
an owner, maybe, but you know what, on the other hand,
maybe not. And the people that are told they get to own their own
time, and the people that are told they get to own their own labor,
and the people that are told they're trading their labor for things, Well,
there's an interesting lesson there as well, and there's still more to this,
so metaphor is everywhere. But if you just go into this as a
matter of fact, and you know you're you're just too drunk to think,
still gonna be entertaining. It is visually interesting. It's got a hell of
a storyline, which I did not expect to be expanded from the cartoon.
By the way, there were certain things going on here. I don't want
to I don't want to spoil any of that because I want you guys to
be surprised. But this is really cool, and I love that poster behind
you, by the way. It definitely fits. It gives me that same
kind of feel. Where again, I'm not sure what erra I'm supposed to
be in here, Okay, I mean, I know what error is going
on there with the plantation. What I'm saying is is that the whole thing,
the way it comes together, you could have made this. This doesn't
look so digital. This doesn't look like it was only maybe done on nineteen
seventies TV. It doesn't look like a videotape. It looks like we could
adapt it into any of those formats and it would work. Kind of weird,
don't know how you pulled that off, but there's something to it that
makes it not stuck in a certain time period. And I think that's a
great thing, because it's not there is a lesson here that seems to not
go learn constantly anyway. All the things that I've said about it, I've
tried to tell you what I think of it and all that, and I've
ran my mouth way too much. No, I like it. I just
want to say that that poster is actually not even the official poster that's especially
they now, that's a specially made poster by this artist named Sean dan Conya.
He's actually like a world renown artist. And we actually did a did
a like a side indie go go to get it made and he it's called
Psychatronics of the Monarch Mind. And uh, that poster. When you sit
down and look at that and get a magnifying glass and go through there.
The guys, if you just like I said, Sean dan Conya d A
N C O N I A. If you go to his website his incredible
work incredibly and he uh, I mean there's so much going on in that
poster. I mean, it's there's so many things inside there. If you
start looking around, you know what I mean, It's it's pretty fun.
Well, me and my bad eyesight, I just see the striking image.
And here's the thing. I can see that thing on the side of an
eighties video game. I could see that thing on in a movie theater at
any point in my life, from the seventies, you know, when I
was born in the seventies, from when I was a little kid in the
seventies too. Now I could see that as a movie poster. That is
a universally interesting image without me being able to see the detail. So yeah,
I study the detail and all that. And uh, I mean,
I don't know how it is they can support you. I'm going to ask
you about that before we're done talking. How it is that they can buy
the film, how it is you would prefer they buy the film. I
want to know all that, Okay, please, Yeah, I'll give you
all the yeah, but but I want to talk a little more about the
film. I mean, and even if that's not the official poster, that's
still a killer poster. Man. Oh yeah, I mean, that's that
thing is special. That's me to me. I that's as good as any
movie poster. I've ever seen that poster. I mean, the amount of
what he put into that, it's it's basically a cross between uh, black
exploitation, uh and what's the word I'm looking for? What's the word?
Uh? Well, there's a little psychotic dystopeus psychedelic. Yeah, like that
seventies dystopic psychedeliction. Yeah. Actually, all the stuff that Quentin Tarantino keeps
trying to tell us about, he keeps coming up in this conversation. I
mean he does. He's one of my favorite filmmakers, is why. I'm
sorry, but it's reminiscent. Really want to bring him up and that everybody.
I've had people reference him for this for some reason. I guess it
must have that heightened reality feel to it that a lot of his films,
most of his films have. Oh it does, it doesn't, but you
know, but we don't have and we do have some violence in here.
I'm gonna warn you guys, there's some violence, but a little bit,
a little it's necessary. It's not egregious. It's not Tarantino level craziness.
You know, Beatrice, you know, doing her Bruce Lee Slaughter moves,
No, none of that. But there's a little bit of violence, and
it's necessary. A little bit of violence, A little bit of language,
that's about it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, well, a little bit
of rough language. Yeah. And and I wasn't jarred by the language.
Again, I was more jealistic by the Yeah, it was seemed realistic,
it flowed nice. I was more jarred by the presentation of these guys,
like I was right on top of him at certain points when I didn't feel
I should be. It was kind of just uncomfortable, you know. And
look again, this is not a negative on the film. I think this
is great. It puts you in exactly the right state of mind to absorb
some of these lessons here. So anyway, look, I do want to
see the official poster and maybe you can send me a copy of that so
I can put it on the graphic for this show that people can go and
search it out and recognize it. I want them to find that because I
mean, I love that poster there, but I want them to find the
one that will connect them to the film, to your website, to a
way to get it and everything else. So yeah, either work Anyway's course
is cool too, But it's just you know, this is not. This
is a little pricier and a little more of a high end sort of art
item, you know what I mean. Okay, are you going to make
those available though? If people want, they're all available. They're available.
They're right now. Anybody can go watch the film and buy any of the
stuff that Jones Plantation Film dot com. Okay, I want to make sure
that's where you wanted people to go, because some people go through this or
that. You know, Well, we're step releasing the film, so it's
at Jones Plantation Film dot com right now exclusively and then come the holiday is
probably November, it'll be wider released all all the big platforms you know,
Amazon and U to Be and all that stuff you know, so right now
and a Apple and all that. But right now it's specifically available at Jones
Plantation Film dot com. And it's cheaper there. It's ten bucks if you
just want to go watch the film's ten bucks and you get the merch there.
You can get the director's commentary, you can get the all access pass,
which includes a download of Lark and Roses book The State Is and the
World's Most Dangerous Religion, and the opening night screening. We did we did
like a two hour Q and a afterwards you can get access to as well.
Oh, I didn't know all that was there. I mean I just
watched the film, honestly, all that for ten bucks. Well, no,
that all access is nineteen ninety nine. I think they're selling up for
and then then the film with the director's commentary is fifteen. And then the
all access, like I said, includes the download a book, Larkin Roses
Book, which any if you haven't read, that's a great book. State
Is and the World's most Dangerous excuse me, Religion. It's a great book.
Right, And you know what before I got way ahead of myself.
I mean, it's tell people exactly you and I both know this, but
you know, for the audience, please tell them exactly where this material started.
Uh, you know Larkin Rose. If you never heard of Larkin Rose,
I don't know how you have found my show. Welcome to the Internet.
But you know, tell people where you know where, what the source
material is and there's a story list. Yeah, please. So, so
the the the little animated one. So I did went to a conference in
Mexico uh Anarcho, Poco and Acapulco, and it was February twenty twenty,
so it was like literally two weeks before all the COVID nonsense, like literally
two So he went down there and I met him. He was there and
I interviewed him, and during the interview you can actually see the interviews on
on my channel, and he said, I said, well, you know,
this slavery we live in today is a little different. It's it's not
whips and change. It's not as physically painful, but it's it's more pernicious
because it's through mind control and brainwashing, and you can't see the change there.
Their chains on your mind, so you think they can convince they've kids
to everybody they're free in this crazy control system that we live in. And
he goes, oh, that's funny. I have it a little. I
made it a short called Jones The Jones Plantation on YouTube. Check it out.
So I left the interview and I found it also that he lives in
Arizona. I live in Arizona. And I watched it, and then me
and the ad on the film and one of the producers, Dug my friend
Doug Mayes. We were both in Mexico together doing this, and uh,
I was like, man, that'd be a cool little that'd be a cool
narrative short, like just not even animated. And then on the flight home,
I was like, that'd be a cool feature, and so then I
that's how it all started. I reached out to Larkin and he went for
and that's how this whole thing was born. And literally if we had that
conference was a week later or two weeks later, none this would ever happened,
because then we went about going to Mexico because of all the all the
tyra in the striction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so there's more to
that too, but there was more to that when we actually try to make
the thing. But yeah, so that's how it all started. That's then
here we are three It's hard to believe. It seems like twenty years ago,
but it was really only three years ago. Well, it's still incredible
peace to come up with it that quickly, because I mean it really something
like this normally takes a lot longer. Looks like to me, I mean,
I'm not a filmmaker, I'm not a visual guy. I'm actually what
you call legally blind. So you know, for me, getting details a
lot of times is something I gotta work at. Definitely, I'm more of
a sound guy than a film guy. Which, by the way, the
sound on this is interesting as well, because some of it I think is
intentionally rough and quiet, and I wanted to ask you about that too,
as far as setting the mood at certain points. Uh, you know who
did that work? Was that all? You as well? Know that the
sound guy's a gentleman named Dan Blank. And well, there's three songs in
There are four songs that Larkin actually did. They're peppered in the movie.
But the main soundtrack is a guy named Dan Blank and he also did the
design. And he's a young guy who is he's on in la We actually
mixed it John Williams over USC Yeah, and he this Dan his Uh god,
I could look it up. But he's he's he's he's an Emmy nominated
sound guy, and he's young. He's a he's a stud. He's an
absolute stud. And he did this with a couple other guys. He did
that whole soundtrack. And I mean, the guy works. He's worked on
Chef Table and he's worked on he did the sound for the film about sound
and I can't remember what it's called. I was gonna look it up.
We're sitting here. But yeah, I've known him for years because I did
this little really super low budget indie film for like thirteen grand when he was
like in his early twenties, and he did the sound for that, and
then we became friends, and so I got the friends and family with him,
and we got the got to got to mix it at uh at John
Williams studio there in La So it was pretty cool. I'm trying to find
you hold on, yeah, no problem, Look that that's that's great.
I mean you could have mixed this in the basement, uh the you know,
some of the raw way it came out. I mean, it could
have been done all different ways because somebody made it a little dirty. And
I like it because it is it is realistic the way that he did it.
I actually feel like I'm in some of those scenes, which is only
done not because of the fullness of the sounds. See a lot of people
go for that, like THHX, it's got to be getting No. I
like this. It's some more seventies sounds soundtrack kind of thing. It's more
of a seventies kind of little rupper lass sings, you know what I mean.
It's a little it's five one and everything, but it's you know,
it's it's seventies kind of No, I can tell it's professional. But what
I'm saying is it's a little dirty. I like slightly dirty sound, you
know what I mean. And yeah, it really helped. So we didn't
loop any sound. We'd made decision not the loop any sound. There's one
small piece of dialogue that was looped in their one line, and everything else
was from the shoot. Well. I did notice also there was like a
little bit of a difference in the way the voice was processed between between Smith
and uh And and the the others on the plantation. There was a differential
there that somebody put in there intentionally. I think it may making them a
little louder you mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a little
a little louder, a little more pronounced, and it provided a slightly different
tone, which I thought was perfect. Anyway, Again, my ears are
more observant than my eyes, right right, But it's really great and I
love the fact that it's dirty. I love the fact that it's jarring.
It needs to be because there are multiple layers of points being made here.
And like again, I think I hinted at about three or four of them,
but you could probably get twelve solid lessons out of this that somebody could
concisely lay out into a couple of paragraphs apiece, and you could say,
look, this is what you can learn through this. And if you take
the metaphor of journey with this character, and if you go along with this
idea, and if you go along with this part of the scenario, you
understand this part about guess what, not only the history, not only the
recent history and maybe the slightly further back history, but how about today?
You have today buried in this in a very interesting way if you understand what
you're being told. Because these things were established and never really changed, it
might have been refined, and it gets refined throughout this film. I find
the progression of punishment that goes on for people that step out of line really
interesting. There is a commentary on law enforcement that I'll bet you nobody picks
up on, generally speaking, the first time around. Yeah, but this
is worth multiple viewings. And I'm doing a lot of talking here. I'm
sorry I keep doing that, but I know I'm good with I love it.
I love hearing people talk about it. I mean, it's I'm you're
doing great. There's a lot of Easter eggs in there. There's a lot
of Easter eggs, and there's and there's a lot of a lot of the
promdes that we hear from the from the from our from our parasite class that
they throw at us. I mean, I'll give them. You know,
there's there is back the blue, there is a new normal, there is
trust, the plan, all those and it's not it's not right or left.
But I think we've thought talked a lot about this. I don't think
the film, I don't think I would have been able to if we try
to do twenty years ago, because I think right now it has the potential
and we'll see what happens, but it has the potential to really catch on
because I think people are so open to they're so I think they really busted
up the whole fantasy that we live in a free country. And I think
that people, a lot of people are really angry about it. They you
know, we we got brainwashed our whole lives to believe we're the free as
best as best as prison. And it's like after especially after twenty twenty,
people are really going, well, wait a second, hold on a second,
what's going on? What's really going on here? And this this film,
I hope we can grab people that that the people that really want freedom
that have been driven into a ditch. I mean, obviously we're going to
reach the right first, because these people that want freedom and they keep getting
driven to this voting plantation ditch every four years. But there are people on
the left that are radical or you know, so called what do they call
classical liberal type people that are really is confused now too, and so you
know, we want to reach out and just get like said, step release
and just keep growing it outwards. And we haven't hit that sort of bam
moment. There's some We're really working the podcast thing and trying to grow it
out, and but it's I mean, I'm doing well. I want you
to know something, I'm a complete weirdo as far as as far as this
goes, because I'm not on the right. I guarantee you I'm not on
the right. I don't care what some people say. I'm not there.
I'm not on the left either. Okay, I don't trust either side because
I have to think there's only one side. Uh So, were the two
wings of the same bird. Like they say, right, two wings are
the same evil boot two whatever you believe, the growth droppers versus the Washington
generals. That's the Republicans are there to lose. There's one there's one thing.
There's one government. That's all it is. And the Republicans are there
to drive. Whether they know it, whether they're self aware, whether they
they're believers, or whether they're making a bunch of money. Their job is
to drive people into a ditch, to make people who really want the right
things, which is to be left alone, to be free, to make
them believe there's somebody out there that's fighting for them. And it's complete ruse.
It's that they're not incompetent, that the system isn't broken. It's working
great. It's the largest, most powerful organization in the history of the world.
It's not doing well. Now hopefully it's gonna we can talk about that
later. But yeah, it's it's yeah, I don't I guess I said
what I want to say about that, Well, it's it's Look, it's
it's it's the continuous tug of war that nobody ever pulls the thing over the
line, Okay, because that's right, that's right. You got the people
that are reforming, all right, and they think they're gonna reform. They
think they're going to go back to something that was great, and they're the
reformers, and then you have the disruptors, and neither role is actually legitimate.
It's very much like I like how Jesse've been Sure put it and other
people put it, and I think it's very relevant. It's like professional wrestling.
Here's a good guy, here's the bad guy. Maybe next week we'll
switch them. Doesn't matter because at the end of the day, they all
get paid by the same corporation, and you're there just to be entertained.
It's not consequent, no, and and you know it's there's a great interview
that Michael Malice did of Justin Amash anybody who ever wants to listen to it,
because he quit. And he'll tell you that those sort of stupid hearings
they do, we're like, oh, did you see rand Paul The way
he blah blah blah fauci and this and that nothing ever happens. He said
that the people that get to talk are the ones they literally hand you a
script and he would be like, I'm not reading this and so that's why
he would never get on TV. They will. They will give you a
script and they will insult each other. Then after the thing, they'll literally
walk up like Cruise and AOC will walk up to it there and go,
that was awesome, Ember when you called me this and then you called me
that. Yeah, let's go get some dinner. It's always just the big
show. They're just actors. Yeah, it's like I said, it's no
different than the w W E. No, it really isn't. It's like
I hate you. I'm coming to destroy you. No, you won't have
the power. Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna reform it, are
you gonna are you gonna join the Genet's crime family and be the be the
capo and Brooklyn that's gonna do things right and fix the family. And it's
ridiculous, it's absurd. It's a an enterprise. You're not reforming anything because
it's not broken. It does it's not going to reform. It's fundamentally flawed.
It's fundamentally a criminal operation and its job is to get control, to
get resources, to get power. By those metrics, how is it doing
what people think government is doing badly or doing poorly needs to be fixed measured
by those metrics, and that's yourself. How is it doing well? Here's
another great example. And by the way, I always respect to tale in
businessmen a lot more than I do politicians, because first of all, they
wear better suits, and second you get something for your protection money. But
on the other hand, it is interesting to me that people never seem to
get this. And here's the great example. I'm fifty one years old.
You know, my entire life, I've been hearing about immigration, and allegedly
the pendulum has shifted back and forth between these two opposing forces that have completely
diametrically different ideas about taking care of this immigration issue. And you know what's
gotten solved in the fifty one years that I've been alive. Absolutely nothing.
Okay, So you know it's like, if they wanted to solve that,
just that issue right there, they would have very good take them an hour,
take them an hour to solve it. Did you did you hear about
that Amazon memo that went around where they were saying that they really were thankful
that they had a really multicultural workforce because they could never unionize because they had
done studies knowing that when they have a bunch of cultures together. They could
never get together and organize because they're different. That's all they're doing. It's
just breaking the place up so they can just run control over everybody. Well,
it's beautiful. Look, I think you're old enough to remember when we
weren't so globalized, and you know, you might have been told that you
needed to defend your neighborhood, you needed to defend your town, you needed
to defend your state, you know, and you were attached to a piece
of land that way, and you were supposedly even your identity is all tied
up in this. And I intend to discuss this at length very soon.
But that was the way it was before we had this global village, right,
And the global village now is you're not attached to anything, and we're
atomized to a point where it's no longer useful to turn us neighborhood to neighborhood
against each other, ethnicity ethnicity against each other. I mean, if you're
willing to fall up for those easy traps, they're there for you. Yeah.
No, let's turn us against each other individually and atomize us to the
point where you have no actual useful friends who are looking at each other's common
interests, common goals, common problems. No no, no no, don't
do that, no no no. What you gotta do is make sure that
you have a good way to be in opposition to almost anyone and turn it
up or down all to your liking. It's all customized. It's all in
your feed now. It's all there according to the algorithm, and they'll feed
it to you as fast as you want to consume it. It's that simple.
So nowadays, instead of turning us, you know, one town against
the other because we have a football rivalry, because we're not from there.
We're not those kids from the bad neighborhood. We're not those kids from the
rich neighborhood, we don't do that anymore. Don't need to, because we
can just hate each other individually. It's a beautiful thing, you know,
And that's where it's at. And it's all about these identifiers that somebody else
selected for you. Generally speaking, it's great. And you know what,
it's funny because that's kind of in your film too, isn't it. That's
Jones Plantation. That's just Jones Plantation. So again, I want to make
sure before I run off at the mouth again that you tell people to go
to Jones Plantation film dot com. Is that what it is? Jones Plantation
film dot Com. Yeah, okay, I wanted to make sure I got
that right. Is there anywhere else they should go? Like you said,
they can buy the movie, they can buy the director's stuff, they can
buy stuff that goes along with the movie there And again, I think he
gave us a price range of ten to twenty bucks depending on what it is
you want to get, so it's not super expensive. It is well worth
it whatever price you want to go for. Guys, I advise you to
do this and do it before he tries to put it out with some of
these other platforms, because I'm a little worried and I got a question for
you too. And again I want you to tell us where they can get
some information. One more time repetitions helpful before we're done. But are you
a little concerned that maybe you're not going to get warmly accepted on every available
platform, because this, to me sounds like the kind of thing that legitimately
does get not banned, not removed, but given a little bit of difficulty
in getting it into some of these platforms. And getting it onto some of
these places where it's easier to monetize, it's easier to distribute because people are
lazy and if they go to the Apple Store, that's all they want to
go to. And if they go to Amazon, that's all they want to
go to. Etcetera, etcetera. You'll reach less people if you're on less
platforms. I've had to learn that the hard way, getting banned on YouTube,
et cetera. But are you concerned at all that somebody might realize exactly
how revolutionary this piece could be and maybe that'll hold you back a bit?
Yes, okay, but but it if we never marketed and I didn't get
on things and talk and the mister Jones who's legal man, he's got a
podcast called The Quash. I don't know if you ever heard of it.
It's a great podcast. And Larkin, if we weren't out talking, I
wouldn't be because it's such a trojan horse. That was kind of the plan
of the whole thing. The film is a trojan horse. But it is
something I think about it. You know, weird thing happened because we've been
getting like I mean, people and I'm not saying this is true. I'm
just telling you what people have said to me. I get emails and we
get people commenting on our videos all the time. That's the best building they've
ever seen. People say, it's that it's our generations. They live all
this crazy stuff. And we've have we don't have a ton of reviews.
I mean, we've got like one hundred and some reviews so far. And
I I independent, I amdb dot com. I'm not sure if you're familiar.
It's kind of like the platform for it's called Independent Movie Database. It's
where everybody puts their stuff. We had a nine, which is crazy,
and they and we had we had a nine, and then there was like
a bunch of ones we had. So the Snowball score was a nine out
of ten rating. But we had a bunch of ones. And I know
that those ones were fake ones. I mean, I know people just hate
us or who knows what it is, right, they didn't watch the film
and they came along and they gave us. They took our our score down
to a seven six. It's gone back up to a seven eight because we
got more tens. And they were like, oh, you guys, they
claim me, they claim we were stuffing the ballot. They said they were,
and I said, I don't know any one person who's rated us,
So they shut up. So somebody tried to shut us down. They give
us ones. A bunch of people did, and then they came and then
it didn't work, and then they came along and they shutted the score down
to a seven and out to the seven eight, which still pretty good,
but that's not the score. The actual score is like an eight nine.
At this point, I don't know if that's our first experience and that's just
a coincidence, or that's our first experience with what you're talking about. No,
I think it sounds exactly like what they This is what happened to me
and the iTunes store years ago. I had, you know, a five
rating, and then all of a sudden, and I love this too.
It was like, I don't know what show you were listening to. I
could see if you're gonna complain that I sound like, you know, some
some goomba with a microphone. I could see if you want to say I
sound like a guy from Jersey with a microphone, it makes perfect sense because
that's what I sound like. If you said I was from New York.
Okay, you're not from the Northeast, and you think the Jersey accents and
New York accent. Fine, But when they were calling me a hillbilly and
stuff like this, I said, these guys didn't listen to my show.
I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Yeah, they started shooting
me down, and they brought me down at one point to a three point
five on And that's not even something where you know, IMDb is a large
site, huge, I mean really people have access to that has huge traffic.
I don't know how many people, you know, really rate things in
the iTunes store. I've seen some larger podcasts too well. But you know
what, again, I had a bar's your weird complaints on YouTube for a
bit. You will get targeted and they'll try and shut you down. And
the thing that I fear they might do to you is claim that somehow this
is like racist propaganda, and they'll probably try and push you off the platforms
or into restricted areas. Yeah, which it doesn't deserve to be. This
is not about race. Even though it is plantation, it does show a
representation of slavery. This is not about race. Yeah, Okay, so
I want to. I'm saying this. You know this already. Yeah,
well, I mean I'm saying the IMDb platform did this to us. Yeah,
platform came and said, oh, it's not working. We're gonna shut
it. We're gonna push the score down. It's gonna be funny when it
choots back up again. I've gone back and forth them. It's like Talco
to a brick wall. They keep coming back with this stuff in the envelope
thing, and it's like they are stuff in the envelope. There's stuffing it
downwards. All the fake fake ratings are the ones that are ones, not
the nines and tens and the you know, the bunch of people have written
reviews saying they love the film and it was whatever. I don't care.
I just you know, I hope what you're saying. Well, you know
what, Magically, though, people, a gang of fake people show up.
Okay, even if whether it's the platform or it's the platform plus,
I'm not sure, but a gang of fake people will show up. I
mean Google accounts when I tried tracking them down to figure out who was,
you know, making massive complaints against me. I find people that have no
content, seem to have no other connection to being online completely fictitious. You
know, there used to be people that had controlled piles of bots that used
to be able to hire on fiber that you could turn around and like make
it look like you got a thousand Facebook friends if you paid for it or
whatever, and it's all these people with one picture on their profile, etc.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that's still floating around
out there. I know it's an old technique, but I think it still
works. Where they can pile on, they can dog pile on you,
and I think they're going to come at you with the racist angle here.
It's wrong, It's definitely not. And that's the other thing is I would
I would tell you if I thought you were being racist actually, but you
know, legit racism and people misuse that termament anymore. Is there a bit
of a classism issue here? Yeah, but that's education, baby. It
seems like people need to leave to learn about classism a bit because they ignore
it, especially in America. So again, you know, I know I'm
taking up a bunch of your time and I ran my mouth a lot,
but I want to give you another chance to h you know, if you
want to give any shout outs to people that were very important in helping to
get this made. Outside of the people you've already mentioned, you've got an
incredible slate of actors. There, a troop of actors. You've got some
great writing going on there. You had good source material, solid, solid
source material. If you don't know Lark and Roses listeners, I don't know
what to tell you. Again, welcome to the internet. But you know
all this stuff coming together. Is there any extra credit you want to give
to anybody or talk about how much work you had to put into this,
because it sounds to me just basically learning about what it is went into this.
You did a lot of work and you deserve a lot of the edit,
but there was a couple other people like you, said the sound guy.
Anyway, I want to just make sure that you get to credit anybody
you want, and again tell them about the website and the things that are
available there. Go for it. Yeah, I mean, I actually want
to comment on the project because we were talking about you're talking about us them
shutting us down. I'm pretty white pilled. I don't. I don't.
I don't think it can be stopped. I don't think it can be stopped.
I think it's going to get out there. I don't I know what
you're saying. I think will be okay. I think, and I think
if people are worried, we have our servers in Eastern Europe in a very
safe place. So the website if no matter what, you can go to
the website and watch the things. As far as the cast goes, you
know, I'm not I can't stay with directors running right run out of the
mouth about the actors. It's like watch the film and you decide whether you
like the actors. You know, but I'm happy with them and I never
met. So we were gonna cast the film. I had. I had
a couple. I had been doing this. I've been doing this for years
and I knew some I wouldn't say they're a household names, but actors that
are like I know, I'm one of the guys is in the Marvel movies.
Was gonna be play mister Smith and YadA YadA yah. And I had
another guy. And then I got a call from the Union because I was
going to do a sag all your low budget, which just because they own
the actors. And this was right during the insanity and the guy's like,
well, you know about the COVID restrictions, right, And I was like,
well, what's that? And they were like, well, you're gonna
have to have Basically they have this created this whole career for this, these
COVID apparatics that work on set, and they'd make sure that you all have
masks on. Then everybody tests every day gets that PCR tests, and and
if somebody pops a positive on that PCR test, you have to shut down
for fourteen days or twelve days, or they have to leave set for twelve
days. Action goes down in that case of why forget it? If you're
if you're not, if you're if you're not a studio with ten million dollars
or fifty million dollars or hundred million or a billion dollars, it's over once
when you're an indie film. Once the once the starting gun goes, there's
no stopping or you're done. There's no way I could have put it rapp
in a hotel Ford, but that you never even be able to pay for
it. You'd never even be able to pay for what did they call that?
The isolation? I forget what was it to where you got to pull
yourself out and like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd
never be able to pay for just that forget. I know, I know
there, but what if the lead actor of the test buzzit if it's over,
I'm not, There's no way. So I had to go back and
recast everybody, and I cast everybody except for mister Jones legal man online,
and I basically just had like an hour conversation with him and just gave him
my vision, which I found is really powerful to get sure I people have
their vision, and then I just met them on set. It's like we
never rehearsed nothing. And uh, you know, I met mister Jones beforehand
because he's you know, I've known him and and I you know, you'll
have to make your own decision if you watch the film. But I thought
that the cast was outrageously good, Like I can't believe I'll blessed. We
had so many blessings that I knew we were onto something against so many crazy,
terrible things that happened that every time we just needed that thing to happen
that would make it work, it worked. So I knew we were onto
something. But I think I think, I don't think it's stoppable. I
think this film is gonna get out there and be in the cultural with you
and be a cult classic. I just there's too many people. Again,
you could be right, we could get crushed, but there's just so much
energy for the thing, so many people. It's it's it's slowly building,
you know. And I can't guarantee this, but I would put good money
that in our budget range we're the top selling film in America. I would
put good money on that. We're We're not, you know, we haven't
made a million dollars yet, but the thing is selling pretty well and it's
selling all over the world, and the responses we're getting are incredible. Like
people, I've gotten responses you've mentioned earlier, Teachers, lots of teachers want
to show it to the children, their kids, their students. I've had
teachers that have showed to their students. And so it's to the point where
I think I'm gonna do a version where we beep out the bad words to
show it to kids. Okay, yeah, okay, you know what,
that would not be a bad thing. And I'll tell you, just to
add to what you're saying, I know that you know, uh, look,
I hope you're absolutely right there. You're not gonna have any resistance here,
would be great, because here's the thing. I started to hear about
this all over the place as soon as the preview dropped, and uh,
the second that somebody got a chance to see this thing, and I started
hearing about it from a very diverse group of people that normally would not agree
on stuff. And by the way, Legal Man great does great shows.
It does great demonstrations and explains great few things to people. I like him
just anyway. But I didn't. I didn't care because you know when he's
being when he when he's doing his part, I'm not worried about it.
It's uh, I don't. I don't see Legal Man. I see the
character. He's good job anyway, but but he but he but he is
a great guy. If you've never checked out Legal Man, I advise you
guys to do that anyhow. But I know somebody already listened to him.
All right, So I started hearing about this. You won't believe it,
blah blah blah. And I kind of ignored it at first because I said,
yeah, I saw the car too, and they were like, no,
no, no, you don't understand this is now. I said,
oh, really, well that's interesting. But what did they do? They
just did like a quick enactment and I had to have these guys, a
bunch of different guys come at me all at once. They don't know this,
by the way, because I have been now all you guys who wrote
to me. Yeah, there was a bunch of you who did that,
and it was very strange. It's a very diverse group of people. I
think you hit the nail on the head. You have created something that is
going to stick, definitely in the segment that fully understands what it is you're
doing. But I want to see it go further than that. YE say
further? Yeah, yeah, I agree. So that's what I'm worried about.
Actually, I'm not worried about the Listen. The choir that you really
want to preach to. They got it. I think you're gonna get it.
And the second they hear this, you're gonna have some more you do
another podcast. It's just gonna grow, and it's just gonna be a matter
of Oh, I just didn't hear about it yet because a lot of people
try to keep their heads down as far as you know new movies and things,
they often forget that there's still some independent filmmakers who are not absolutely bought
and paid for. I want to step on that for a second. I
wanted to bring that up because we do talk a lot about getting it in
the hands of normies. But I also really get a kick out of hopefully
providing content for us. Are people the freedom people that they can watch and
know that the director is is on the side of the people. And I've
never there's not gonna be propaganda in mind. You're you're never gonna go like
every other film you watch now where you the Hollywood film where you they're a
line, there's a lie, you know, they're Oh, I see what
they're doing right there. I'm on the side of the people and I always
will be. And so I like getting content that people can watch and they
can feel like I don't have to swallow that. I don't know if we
can swear on here, it's okay, you know, you can have to
swallow that ship sandwiches to sit through the whole film, you know, so
exactly, Oh, I don't have to sit here and take this. Okay,
they're normalizing that now, yeah, okay, now, they're giving me
this. Okay, there's the demonic message, all right, there's yeah,
I know that's what you wind up doing if if you're somebody who does this
analysis, uh, you know, and and it drives you crazy. No,
he's one of our filmmakers for sure. But see the trick here is
I still want to see it get out there way further than us. I
think you you you've already hit the right chords for anybody who is, you
know, an independent thinker, you should appreciate this movie. If you are
an independent thinker, if you realize that the system is not working for you.
Okay, because unless you're one of the owners. You know, we
had these discussions recently. There are owners out there and they don't really own
the big plantation. Uh. It reminds me also of what Larry Pickney had
said to me many times years ago. We have all become free range slaves.
Uh. And you know he was one of the original Black Panthers and
all that, so you know, I take it pretty seriously what he had
to say. And I used to quote I love that quote. I love
that saying free range slaves, that they re range slaves, because well,
here it is you know what, they give you the idea you can go
wherever you want. Wait a minute, I don't want to quote your movie,
but but I do. I do, and you guys will want to
quote this movie as well, because there is a lot in it, and
like I said, some of it's starring. Some people might ignorantly glance at
it and think it's about race. It really is not. The mechanism of
slavery is there because it's necessary. Slavery is not exclusive to the black white
paradigm, by the way, historically speaking, it is not exclusive to it.
Is it a little more recent than some others. Yeah, but as
we speak today, there's slavery on the planet by anybody's definition. By the
way, even if you rejected everything in your a piece of work, guess
what you'd have to concede that there is slavery on the planet. There will
continue to be slavery on the planet. And exactly how sophisticated it is and
how it runs and everything else. You might learn something if watch Jones Plantation.
So that's all I'm gonna say to you. And you know I don't
throw out there quite often guys that you're going to learn something, even when
I tell you I'm entertained by something, or the information is good, maybe
you already know it. It's okay if you notice, I don't tell you
that you're gonna learn something by watching what is the dramatization? Usually I'm more
of a documentary kind of guy. But if you don't learn something watching Jones
Plantation, then you fell asleep. Put it back in, watch it again
because you fell asleep. Okay, it's just that simple. You fell asleep,
or you're incapable of complex thought, or you're incapable of seeing the world
around you, or maybe you're just incapable. Anyway, there's a lot to
be learned in this movie. And again, it's h Jones Plantation Film dot
Com altogether one word, right, Yes, Joe's Plantation Film dot Com.
Okay, And is there anything else that we need to know about this?
Outside? Again, you can get the film there, you can get the
download. You can get a poster there, director's commentary. The other merch,
what other merches there? Is there? Some other merch. We've got
the posters, shirts, We've got a flag. The Jones Plantation flag is
for sale on there. Oh no, you got the flag there? Yeah,
And we're good. We're adding stuff all the time. We're adding stuff
all the time. We're gonna have hats soon. We're gonna have DVD soon
too. That's a whole. That's a whole. That technology is really tough
nowadays. This hard. You can't drop ship it nowadays. I have to.
I'm trying to. I want to find somebody reputable. I think I
found someone, and we have to basically order room and buy him and ship
ourselves. But I do want that option available to people. And we'll make
like a really souped up We'll have the director's commentary on it, We'll have
all of the behind the scenes stuff on it. I might even throw my
thesis film on there, and we'll figure something else out on there too.
So that would be great, especially if you included the original cartoon in there.
I think that's great. That's a good idea. Yeah too, Yeah,
yeah, you know, and just as a bonus piece, And I
would suggest here we go. Now I'm making suggestions to you. I'll tell
you what I would be really happy to buy is if you gave me the
blue ray and the DVD in a package. I was wondering about that.
What's the deal I was thinking, so we make blue rays or DVDs?
Should we do packs with both of them? Is that I I should do
it? Well, that's what I felt comfortable with buying the last thing that
I actually went and bought a brand new kind of expensive film that I wanted
real bad. I wanted both. I didn't think that's not a bad idea.
Let me marinate on that. I like that because I have actually been
beaten around we make DVDs or make blue rays? I didn't know. Yeah,
well, by the time you're into that production. From what I understand
now, I am not. I've recently produced hats and other stuff like this,
but I haven't done any DVDs or anything like that. And I but
from what I'm told, if you if you're already into that production, it's
only going to be a little bit more to produce one more disc. I
don't know how to do that. I liked. I really liked that idea.
Good good job, Thank you for that. You know a lot.
The thing about you can't see it behind me right now, it's a little
dark in this room. But the JFK documentary I just bought, I made
sure to get. I got both things, which was only a couple of
dollars more to get both in the package. So it's just kind of like
technology proving yourself because it's an old technology, so you kind of you'll be
able to watch it. You're not gonna get screwed out of watching it when
you're buy it and they don't have the right technology to watch it with.
I like that a lot. Actually, Yeah, that's a good idea.
That's a good idea. Yeah, and you already have the digital so I
mean the digitals can become you know, portable and all that kind of stuff,
and once you get on to be and uh, you know some of
these other platforms they have, you know, where you can keep the library
and all that. I hate that stuff, by the way, but I
know a lot of people live and die by it. You know, who
we play and all that which it has to be visibly on YouTube, premier
and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, Voodoo Voodoo was one of
the I don't know voodoo still around, but I know voodoo was a thing.
Right Who does the thing? I don't I think I think they're still
around. I think who loser of it? I think who lose more?
I don't think yeah, who loves more of a commercial thing, It doesn't
matter. I'd say throw it on everything that you can and if you can,
because I would again, I'd like to see this in a lot of
people's hands, because here's the key, and this is why this is one
of the better pieces of media that you're going to see. I guarantee you
this year, guys, because not a lot of media out there of any
kind to me. Okay, and this is I've only been able to say
this about twice this year. Three times this year. There's only been three
things that I've seen put out this year that are even thought provoking. Okay,
there is a lot of brain dead nonsense out there. There's a lot
of people that are regurgitating things, that are getting stuff wrong that God bless
them, they're trying, but they're not accomplishing it. This accomplishes multiple tasks
in one narrative. And by the way, it's not a giant long movie.
It's not even a huge long long movie. It doesn't like, Okay,
do I watch this in three parts? It's not even that long.
It's not that long. It's not paced in a way that makes you want
to no problems. It is it's entertaining just as a movie first of all.
Second because of the the oddity of the larger than life characters, the
proper source material, the incredible multilayered messages that I think are universally important to
anybody who can who can get their hands on this thing, or all present
or all presented well and overall. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go figure
out if I can. I've never rated anything on IMDb. Maybe I'm not
trying to stuff your your ballot box here. I'm gonna have to go over
there and see if I can figure out a way to rate it. I've
never done it before. Maybe you got to be a member. I don't
know. I'm gonna find a way. I'm going to click a star That's
all I gotta do it. If you want to write a review, you
can, but just click a star log I'm doing that. I'm doing that,
and I definitely support this work. I want you guys to go get
it. I think it'll be a great By the way, since we are
just about to enter September and I know a lot of you still do things
for Christmas, I think this is a great Christmas gift. How about that?
I think this is something that you should get for people. Give them
the download, get your you know code doing for the download and give it
to somebody. Buy them the movie. You can buy a gift card on
the website too and by and they just go and buy it themselves. Okay,
I didn't know about the gift card, but I would think you just
buy the movie, give them the code and they got it. But tell
you what, fine, buy the gift card, by the by the merch
whatever. I think this will make a great Christmas gift. Okay. Uh.
And I know it's only just we're just about to go into September,
but my point stands, it's it's that time where you got to start shopping
for people and if you want them to think, get them Jones Plantation.
So I'll leave the last word on this to you, and we're going to
close out the live stream and the video as well. Again, guys,
I apologize I run my mouth a lot, but there is way more to
say than I said during this discussion in this movie. Uh. And the
movie's only like a little bit longer than my podcast is going to be today,
So it's but it's not that's not There is zero negativity I have here.
Actually, I've only got one criticism. Okay, one criticism, and
uh, you're you're You're probably gonna be like, yeah, but the wife
in this movie, I don't like her. Uh hold on, no,
hold on, you don't like her, you don't like her acting. She's
I don't like her acting. She takes me out of it for a moment,
and I didn't like that. Everything else proved nice, and she kind
of knocked me down for a second. And I thought about it, and
I said, you know what, I'm gonna have to go back over it
again because I'm not sure why that happened, but I think maybe there was
meant to be a disconnect there. But that's the first thing I've heard that.
That's the first time i've heard that. But hey, everybody's got an
opinion, you know. But there you go and and and again everybody sees
a different movie. Like you said, that's right, But other than that,
it's only for like three seconds. And I'm telling you the rest of
this movie, it's are you? Are you divorced? What's that? Are
you divorced? Not at the moment, but I happened. I've had a
couple of lives. I've had a lot of people say that they drug the
reminder of their ex wife. So that's why I don't know, that's that's
what's driving that. Yeah, you know what, that might be right,
That might be right, because yeah, yeah that works. Okay, now
you've made sense that it's probably my problem. But the film is overall made
really well, and again objectively, it's made really well. It's got great
source material, great lesson, great metaphors. I love the acting throughout it.
Even like the fact that you see the unification and subdivision of the slave
class. Yeah. I paused on that for a reason because that'll be most
of us anyways. Pay no attention to me. I'm crazy. But if
you watch this and it doesn't bother you, and it doesn't get through to
you, watch it again or again, make sure you stay awake next time
because you fell asleep you didn't see it. You gotta see this movie,
Jones Plantation. It's great. I am. I'm just flat out endorsing it.
It's the best dramatic piece that I've seen this year, guaranteed. All
right, So that's the way it is. And oh, by the way,
it's actually educational. So I'm definitely gonna get If he puts out the
Blu ray and the DVD, I'm definitely gonna do that. And again,
you know, you got to go to Jones Film Wait, excuse me,
Jones Plantation film dot com. It's a little along, but I'm gonna give
you the links in the show notes so that you can go there and click
on it yourself. If you see this spreaker on my website, the links
will be there. I don't know if we're gonna put anything else besides that,
but if you go there, you get this movie. I'm telling you,
buy it for somebody else, buy it for yourself, show it to
other people, do all that. It's worth it. It's a little jarring,
I'm telling you. I'm thinking a lot of people are gonna feel uncomfortable.
Stay with it. It's good. It's good to be uncomfortable. That's
how you're gonna learn. And if you're not uncomfortable with the lessons that are
learned in this movie, well you know, I'm sorry for you, but
you should be uncomfortable. There is some discomfort here. There are some disquieting
things and you need to learn about them. So I'm gonna leave it at
that and again this is uh, this was a great opportunity to talk to
you. We didn't do any commercials, none of that stuff tonight. Uh,
just straight ahead. We did the show and on video. You guys
got to put up with me too much. I'm sorry, but no worries.
Guys. This is a great movie. Go get it. Jones Plantation
Film dot com. All right, thank you so much. I appreciate it,
man, I appreci thank you. All right, thank you. This
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