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You're listening to the downbeat On ninety
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tickets to see comedian Burt Kreischer tomorrow. All right, tomorrow. A couple

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of text in about that, We'll
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That's happening. That's happening. A
lot of people sitting against snake picks,

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so dust spears. Snake Season is
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one seven seven eight seven one.
Reacin always call and text in talkbacks too

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on the red microphone button on the
iHeartRadio app. Think this morning news coming

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up in thirty Yeah, man,
yeah, man, I got some low

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level to mid stories that are going
to blow your mind. So if you

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can upstage the scuttle butt, dude, let's do this. J J.

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Cobby, the Cobby your mind,
dim my news control. You never know

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what the tobe hold. Oh,
we never know what's it? Koby with

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that intro short enough that one.
Yeah, I was respecting about Rodney Anderson

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dot com. All right, So
this uh is something we've been talking about

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for a long time, and I've
now it's gotten to the point where I

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think we got so desensitized to plane
stories that we weren't even doing our daily

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plane story of something going down,
whether it be a door plug falling out,

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which obviously that was a huge story, whether it be a fight on

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a plane. Crazy plane lady was
obviously big letting up to it. But

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about a month ago we had the
Dallas Morning News aviation reporter Alexandra on in

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fact, what's going on here?
Are y'all just getting stories and making them?

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So we're talking about planes more?
Is this something? Is it all

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made up? Yeah? Is it
a trend? Is it a new hot

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news thing that we all need to
be talking about or hearing? Right?

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Well, good mite. No,
it's just something that's instantly relatable to all.

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Nobody loves plane travel, but a
lot of people do it a lot,

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whether it be once a year,
a couple times a year, or

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every week. Very relatable. So
it's just naturally something that you can picture

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yourself in that situation and hope it
doesn't happen to you. So, yes,

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I think it's an easy story to
do. And the news three passengers

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on that last Airlines flight where the
door plug blew out. They're suing the

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airline for one billion dollars. Oh, they're suing the last Airlines and Boeing

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for one billion dollars. Well,
whether you like the show or not,

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I don't care. But John Oliver
did a twenty minute So what you're talking

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about us? Oh no, it's
not. At the TV show. John

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Oliver did a twenty minute one billion
dollars. Yeah, one billion. That's

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a quick off firm half a mill
and make it go away and they will

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accept maybe billion passenger. You think
the rest of the passenger like, hey,

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I want it on this. You
did it and you can do it.

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I wondered that the wildfire story we
did yesterday, we were like one

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lady, right, it's like word
for you, the only one that saw

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the fire start. Someone else could
have quotations. I'm glad you're doing this

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because I watched the John Oliver just
last night and that's a great show.

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It's so well done. The depth
of the dive that he will do into

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a concerning topic and then make it
funny and callbacks to stuff he referenced earlier.

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It's just an artfully crafted piece of
news. I think from the school

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of John Stewart, right. Yeah, but they never deep dive on daily

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show like that, let's too much, have the courage to do something for

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like thirty straight minutes like a one
piece. That was the audio support and

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visual support and context and research and
investigation, unearthing stuff that you never heard

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and making it so concise and digestible. Really ambitions journalism if you will not

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the amount of uh, fact checking
and research and then and then probably legal

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stuff too is probably a massive part
of it, to make sure that they're

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protected in the things that they are
reporting aren't infringing on anything, or or

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or untrue. Yes, it's it's
intensive. It's all done in a week.

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And sisters, one of the writers
on that show, and that knucklehead

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shows up, we're in pajamas us
all she wins. Emmy's he unremarkable,

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all the remarkability in that family in
one direction. You talk about low level

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to mid stories. Just wait till
ten o'clock, mister mid, Mister,

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mister mister Middle is at the mid
table. For mister Mid. There's gonna

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be a T shirt made in the
midday, mister Mid. So, uh,

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this is all going down. We
talked about that the door plug blows

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out the loose plugs was a story. Remember they or a loose bolts.

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You know, we've seen all that
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at Boeing. This is their CEO, Dave Calhoun, taking some responsibility,

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but also U like he's like,
yeah, that boy was accountable for the

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door plug blowing out, of course, but here's what he was asked,

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like specifically, what happened when the
door plug blew out? And you want

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your CEO a CEO to have a
better answer than this, how did an

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unsafe airplane fly in the first place? Because a quality escape occurred? Can

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you explain what is a quality escape? I think that's for description of what

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people are finding in their inspections,
anything that could potentially contribute to an accident.

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What quality didn't the scape of the
planetings? Boy, he sounded like

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uh, he sounded like norm going
through a live spot that he had no

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copy for. He's got he got
the name of the company, Quality escape.

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What does that mean? It's it's
it's when things can anything that can

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go, it's anything anything that could
happened. They had the meeting and you're

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gonna get asked this question and they
came up with the phrase or quality quality

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escape. It was a quality escape
don't worry. They won't ask a follow

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up. Most that the lady,
what does that mean? I don't know.

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Head the shaky, which is very
anything that potentially contribute to an accident,

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Okay, anything now, like keep
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fifty chance. Most every time you're
on an airplane, it is a Boeing

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made plane. And that's wild because
there's only two big time manufacturers, which

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is nuts. So Bowe's investigation shows
that get four bolts missing. And then

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there were other Alaskan airlines Max Nines
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the AA comes in, this is
just this week and did this. The

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Federal Aviation Administration gave Boeing ninety days
now to come up with a plan to

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address safety issues. This comes after
a report released on Monday found employees did

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not understand their role in safety and
they feared retaliation for raising safety related concerns.

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Those are big problems when you've got
a factory that is making jets.

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I loved how snarky he was.
That's a big problem if you didn't know

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jets. So they get ninety days
and I'm sitting here going, Mike Eugine

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gonna be on a plane like we're
playing within ninety days, like they get

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ninety days to fix this. I
think it'd be thirty days would be good.

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I'd assume you're ninety deep dive in
this whole thing and all what you

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do. This was shocking, this
whole thing. But for the first time

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in my I've never once known what
type of plane I'm on. For the

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first time in my life, I
am after watching that and after hearing what

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Kevin's about to present, I'm curious. I want to like check what planes

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I'm getting on. Damn sure,
Yeah, you damn sure? Do have

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you ever not now? Not in
a while. I haven't been on a

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plane. God, what seems like
forever. Really, Yeah, it's probably

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been two and a half years.
I jit want to know. I'm an

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airbus man. I don't want to
fly in a bowing Yeah, as stupid

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as that is. And I'm sure
just keep going, yeah, because it's

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shocking. So Boeing used to have
a pristine reputation. They built seven thirty

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seven, they built the Air Force
one. I'm sure they helped out in

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the war, you know, of
World War Two. I would imagine they

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started in nineteen sixteen but here's what
happened in nineteen ninety seven. A lot

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of people think change things. Boeing
and McDonnell Douglas today announced they were joined

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together to form the world's largest aircraft
manufacturer. This is, I believe,

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an historic moment in aviation and aerospace. Yeah, the skyboys got business married.

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Boeing merged with McDonald Douglas, who
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had a lousy reputation for commercial airliners, most notably the DC ten, which

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had multiple accidents resulting in over eleven
hundred passenger fatalities. And look was merging

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with the McDonald douglas Aerospace Manufacturing Corporation
slash murder emporium. That Boeing CEO's worst

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decision probably not because he also,
and this is true, married his first

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cousin. So the last decision I'd
ask this guy to make is who it's

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a good idea to couple up with? All right, So what's the bigger

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story there that the Boeing CEO married
his first cousin or that they merged with

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a company that had a bad record
basically in McDonald douglas. Oh, they

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get DC tens were grounded like they
discontinued the damn thing nineteen seventy nine.

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Yeah, so that's wild and I
know anything about that, and we're not

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thinking about that stuff. But then
it's also, well, there's the salacious

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thing. I need to be even
more invested and interested. The Bowing CEO

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married his first cousin. How does
that happen? I maybe we're all cousins.

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I don't know, but how does
that happen? You'd think you would

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check that. So then they you
know, they change a headquarters. They

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moved from Seattle to Chicago. Well
they're business offices, and yeah, their

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business office, and they're way more
focused on stock prices. Not necessarily,

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it's about keeping shareholders happen, what's
going on on the factory line, on

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the floor. And there is a
major campaign line. I'm sorry, this

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is a mechanic. There was a
major campaign launched called share Value, and

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the idea was that they wanted everybody
to be aware of the stock price and

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they wanted everybody working together to increase
the stock value. Even the technical meetings,

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everything revolved around going stock prices.
Okay, that's from a mechanic on

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the plane. In technical meetings,
they're talking about stock prices brutal. These

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are the people building the planes that
you are going to be on today.

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and commercially. And they move their
business office to Chicago as far way as

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they can get from Seattle, where
their construction area is, and all they

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care about is getting the number up. Yeah, and how do you not

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abnormal? Then? How do you
do that? How do you get those

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stock prices numbers up? You make
the company more profitable. And to do

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those things, you you slash,
cut corners, you work faster, Yes,

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you work faster, You cut corners, You cut back on research and

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development, you cut back on quality
control, training, all that stuff.

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But certainly this would not lead to
planes full of passengers crashing, Kevin,

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you wouldn't expect that to happen.
Right this point, the CEO that married

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his cousin, he is ousted because
of a contract scandal. We're now moving

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into the mid or mid two thousand
tier. So the McDonald douglas CEO takes

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over. But he ended up banging
one of the vps, so there was

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in a big affair there. So
he gets ousted and they get another CEO.

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They had three CEOs in three years. And this is all at the

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time when they were rolling out the
Dreamliner plane. Now, with the dream

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Liner plane, they were very quickly
trying to roll this thing out because basically

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it got out of the starting gate
a little bit late because the Airbus had

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just made a new plane that was
a little bigger and had a little more

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fuel efficiency, and they're like,
okay, we gotta make the Dreamliner.

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We gotta catch up, we gotta
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working faster, not necessarily safer.
Also, they were having, you know,

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some cutbacks and things like that,
which aren't good. Well, all

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they were doing was refitting an existing
design yet it's already been in production.

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It's kind of like putting a It's
kind of like putting a hummer shell on

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a Prius. You know, Oh, look at that new car. No,

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bro, that's a Prius. That's
the same car. So the early

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Dreamliner they have a couple of fires
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due to a battery problem, and
then FAA had to step in and ground

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planes the Dreamliner for the first time
the FAA had stepped in and grounded a

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plane since nineteen seventy nine. With
the DC ten by McDonald douglass and then

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twenty fourteen, this is a video
that leaked of a worker at a Dreamliner

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plant asking employees if they felt safe
flying on the plane. It just gonna

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be a little harder to hear here
because it's like a cell phone video,

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But yeah, did you fly one? Do you want flying one? Did

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you fly one of these planes?
Did you fly the one you wouldn't blow?

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Wouldn't you? Because I see did
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sketchy sketchy? Probably? But I'm
so out of fifteen wealcas they lost ten

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said they wouldn't fly on that plane. And honestly, that lost guy is

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almost worse death wish dice. I
kind of have a death wish. Yeah,

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the guy I get the planet as
a death wish. And out of

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fifteen workers said they wouldn't even fly
on the plane that they are making jeezu

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shocking, and it feels like,
look, it does feel almost a little

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like fear mongerish. You know,
think about this like, oh, I

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know, I just want to get
on the plane and get to where I'm

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going. But the evidence and all
of it put together makes you go,

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oh, I don't like it.
And this is the thing things we've been

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talking about on the show for the
last two three months with almost a daily

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or at least two or three weekly
stories. Yeah, I'm just crazy crap

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happening on a plane. Some of
those humans just acting up on planes.

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But the door fell off of a
plane. And let's not act like that

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just doesn't happen because they were missing
bolts that came from this factory. Yes,

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that did happen. And if someone
was sitting in that window seat,

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yeah, they get sucked out.
Most lies sucked off. Yeah out,

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you said that wrong. It's sucked
out, sucked off, the sucked off

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out of the plane. Yeah,
from the plane, sucked off the plane.

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Children. I work with children.
We're gonna allow it. This brings

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us to the seventh part, being
the mature voice of reasons. Yeah,

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babies, I bet you there were
revenue banana earlier. It was that was

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the old I have changed. Gook
tno banana, like said, he's get

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right, oh, Gevin seven thirty
seven Max. The next point here,

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So the Airbus was its biggest competitor, or Boeing get caught off guard and

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they announced the bigger one. I
told you that and then Boeing makes this

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conscious decision to work fast so I
can compete. Here's a production line worker

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who was worried about the corners being
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What words would you use to describe
that factory at that point? Dangerous,

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unnecessary taking, unnecessary risk. He
says. He urged the Boeing manager

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to shut down the factory for a
few weeks to straighten things out. And

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what was his reaction to that?
We can't shut down? And then I

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kind of got mad and said,
you know, I've seen military operations shut

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down for a lot less. What
was his reply to that? Something I'll

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never forget. He said, well, the military is not a profit naked

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organization. I will say the request
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weeks did seem like a lot.
It just seems like looking for some time

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off. But we shut down the
factory for a while to let's figure this

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out. Yeah, I think it's
fair, like if you're really worried about

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it, and he was. I
guess it's all easy to say about it

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afterwards, because you find out that
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bound for Indonesia crashed into the ocean, killing one hundred and ninety people.

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The investigations determined it was due to
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of these, and this is where
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of a software called m casts an
m cast. Basically, I'm gonna let

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this pilot kind of explain to you
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an autocorrect feature that if the planes
knows got up too high because of what

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they had done to make the engines
bigger. To modify the planes, they

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added bigger engines, they had to
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often to tilt upward, upward,
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up where the plane could stall.
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mcass on there to automatically push the
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so this m case automated software that
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end to keep to even out the
plane. And this guy kind of explains

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it a little bit better, but
it's like it very important to this.

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If a Happy Birthday mylar balloon gets
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I believe it or not. We
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and all of these things are not
uncommon. It's true the whole system could

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be compromised by a balloon. At
testament to how problematic it is to use

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a single sensor and yet another reason
to hate balloons. But it gets worse.

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Because Boeing didn't tell pilots about mcasts, they decided to market the plane

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two airlines as a money saver,
and a massive selling point was that the

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Max wouldn't require pilots to be retrained
in a flight simulator. That that's a

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pretty big expense for an airline,
is it takes pilots out of the air

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for multiple days. To save money
by not telling you about this thing,

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because we can't have you leaving your
job to go to flight simulator training again

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for a couple of days. So
we saved money there, we just won't

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tell you about it. And because
it was also rushed and they didn't tell

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them about it, the software didn't
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it would do it on its own. This pilot, there was no way

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to override it. They didn't even
know that it was on. The plane

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was outfitted with this particular apparatus and
am I correct in saying that they're training

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for these new planes was done in
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The mom of the I didn't pull
the idea of but the mom of

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the pilot of one of the pilots
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She was asking, what you don't
have to go to a flight simulator

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for these new planes? And he
was like, no, I had two

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hour iPad And she's like, iPad
iPad, are you getting to it?

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That that's what caused that flight to
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Yeah, and the pilots didn't know
what the hell this m cast was

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and why this was happening. How
backward is that? I mean, how

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putting bicycle cards in your spokes is
that that rather than configuring a brand new

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fuselage that can accommodate this upgrade in
size and engine, you have to create

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an apparatus that counteracts the ill effects
of that extra power on your plane and

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not tell your pilots that it even
exists. So when this thing enables itself

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and goes wrong, they don't even
know how to override it. They're like,

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what, we can't do anything there's
nothing we can do. I don't

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see college class action lawsuits don't put
these this particular airline one out of business

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because there's so much negligence, so
much negligence. Well, so they had

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six weeks to fix the software,
nothing got done. Four months later,

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Ethiopian Airlines flight crashed into the ocean, same reason, because the mcast did

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the same thing, killed everyone on
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comes in and grinted the seven thirty
seven MAX. Now this is what came

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out after the investigation. This is
the last piece of audio I have,

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but it kind of explains how this
all happens and why there's nothing you can

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really do about this. Hundreds of
emails and instant messages show employees mocking the

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FAA, the company, and problems
with the airplane. One writing this airplane

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is designed by clowns, who in
turn are supervised by monkeys. That's pretty

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much much of the oversight was being
done by Boeing itself. For five decades,

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manufacturers like Boeing were allowed to use
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Here's the problem. Those FA inspectors
were employed by Boeing. It's the most

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insistuous relationship we've seen in this story
so far, which is something because this

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guy was his first cousin. Amen, so Boeing owns the FAA's inspectors like

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they own it. And his point
at the end was, we don't need

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Boeing to go away. We need
Bowing to be good. We need them

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to be better. Yeah, they
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They need to be perfect. They
need to be the standards are so much

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higher. I get it that we
all want to cut corners in life,

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but when you are working for an
airline and run an airline, the standards

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have to be so elevated where any
pretty much anything less than perfection is unacceptable.

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Like this is happening in every business
because that's just the world we live

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in the world we live in sports. But if it happens at a restaurant,

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you can stop going to the restaurant
because water Burger have used to whatever.

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Whatever you want to pick if there's
cost cutting measures that you don't like,

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but not with this. I mean, you're if you have to fly,

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you got there's two options Airbus and
and it did mention Kayak, the

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website that aggregates prices and now they
have a feature that you can click flights

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plane types you want to go on
and don't want to get. It's such

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a popular feature that they had to
move that filter option up on their website

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to basically the first thing that you
click when you're planning your travel is to

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determine which brand you want filtered out
of the search results. It's wild because,

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like you can see this, a
plane crash into the ocean, it

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happens on international waters. We maybe
don't think about it as much as we

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should here. Okay, whether if
it was an American flight that crashed off

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the coast, you might think about
it a little more. A door falling

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off a plane like what happened here
almost would garner more reaction than one hundred

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and ninety people dying in Indonesia.
And I think that's where I think now

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that has really started to get into
people's minds. But all this stuff,

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though, it's all asked backwards,
think about the profit will make and it's

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just not the way you should look
at things. You have to start things

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and grow them, like it's just
the way you can't work. Scary comes

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down to stock prices. Well done, Kevin, incredible way way better than

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the scuttle butt today. All right, I'm going to assume that that Steve's

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sister wrote all of that, uh, and then that he had absolutely nothing

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to do with it. Of course, not did you guys want to buy

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a because they said they still having
their gift shop online. The If it

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ain't Boeing Boeing, I ain't going. I thought about getting one, and

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don't want a coffee. That's pretty
That's what the pilot used to say.

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Right now, if it's not an
air bus, it's pretty sus for us,

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for us, That works, all
right. You may not know the

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name of the stand up comic Nick
Swardson, but you if you don't,

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you will after I play you audio
of an absolute bomb that he had on

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a night in a night club in
Colorado.

