WEBVTT 1 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:33.239 Tonight's guest is Renee Wilson. Renee, Welcome to the show. Hello, 2 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.560 Vic, How are you doing. I'm doing good, but more importantly, 3 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:41.599 how are you? I can't complain doing pretty good. Thanks. Well, 4 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:46.760 I'm sure beats an alternative, doesn't it. Yeah, that's right, Renee, 5 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:52.239 Please give us a brief bio on yourself. All right, I'm Renee 6 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.959 Wilson. I live in Central Kentucky, forty three years old. I have 7 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:05.319 two children, and I do caretaking for a living. I've been doing that 8 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:12.240 for the past few years, and one of my big hobbies is taking lots 9 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:17.520 and lots of videos and pictures of cryptids. I've been in that for I 10 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:23.080 don't know, probably four to five years now. As the listeners are going 11 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.400 to find out, you're really good at taking pictures of crypt heads too. 12 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.280 You get results, just like Paul last week who came on. Yeah, 13 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.360 thank you. Yeah, Paul gets a lot of great evidence as well. 14 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.560 Yeah. I've been in like several groups, dogman groups, and I've met 15 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:47.719 some incredible people and they all have some amazing pictures here. Lately, it's 16 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:53.039 like these cryptids, I think are coming out more and more. There's a 17 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:58.400 lot more evidence than there used to be, So there's a lot of people 18 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:04.159 getting some good evidence having more personal experiences as well. A lot of people 19 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.000 are out there trying to get pictures of these guys, but most of them 20 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.560 aren't having any luck. Do you do anything special that you believe is improving 21 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:15.039 your chances of catching them on film or do you think it's just been dumb 22 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:20.240 luck. It can be a little of both. I guess you know, 23 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.560 I was capturing a lot of evidence out where I lived previously. I moved 24 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.520 from there about a year ago, But I don't know. Every time I 25 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:35.479 go out, you always have to have a positive mindset. I think first 26 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:40.039 and foremost, and these beings that they know your intentions, so you don't 27 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:46.039 want to go out and do anything like disrespectful. You're just trying to share 28 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.719 in their space, and you know, just actually out and enjoying nature. 29 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:57.280 And you know, if they decide to show themselves to you, I feel 30 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:01.039 like that's because they trust you and they know you or intent is not malicious 31 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:06.439 or anything. And I'm one of them, I do you know, if 32 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:13.759 I see something, I acknowledge it and I've said thank you before that they 33 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.480 didn't have to show themselves, but they did. Again, I've told you 34 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:23.600 before, I've just been lucky in the fact that I have not had a 35 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:29.079 terrifying experience or anything yet, And I mean, I'm so thankful for that 36 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:33.240 because I know so many people have. I've seen what I've seen. There's 37 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:39.160 been several things I have actually seen with the neked eye, and then there's 38 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.560 been a lot of things that I didn't see till I go back and review 39 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:47.879 the video later. But nothing has ever been malicious or I never had that 40 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:54.399 fight or flight feeling or anything like that. So I'm grateful for that. 41 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:59.399 And I feel for the people that have had scary experiences though, because I 42 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:05.639 know they're for sure that they are Unfortunately, Yeah, you haven't had any 43 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:11.480 frightening encounters yet, but do you think you're one frightening encounter away from never 44 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:18.439 going into the field again. It could happen. But a lot of times 45 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:23.600 when I do go out on hiking, you know, we go to Daniel 46 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.680 Boone National Forest, a lot, Red River Gorge. I'm always with someone 47 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:34.639 and it's really my way of doing it. It's not I'm just out enjoying 48 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:42.800 nature as I always would. Ever so often I just go with my gut 49 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:47.759 instinct. I'll have a gut feeling to record in this specific area because I 50 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:54.360 just know there's something there. I can feel that there's something there. But 51 00:05:54.519 --> 00:06:00.319 again, it's never it's not necessarily a scary feeling. So it's not like 52 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.160 I go out and I'm just constantly feeling everything that I'm doing or anything like 53 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:08.959 that. A lot of times they're really short videos, you know, a 54 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:14.720 minute or under, sometimes a couple of minute videos if that. And I've 55 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:18.000 called a lot of things that way. Me and my dad go out quite 56 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.879 a bit every now and then. I can get together with a friend, 57 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:26.639 But I would hate to say that nothing would ever happen that would just scare 58 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.160 me so bad that I wouldn't want to go back in there. I think 59 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:36.360 nighttime you're asking for a lot more scary experiences. I would say, not 60 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:42.519 always, but nighttime. Yeah, I'm not completely keen up on just being 61 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.800 out in the middle of a forest and spending the night out there. I 62 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.560 will say that. Yeah, now that you know what's out there, I 63 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:54.959 can understand why. Yeah, i'd be a little nervous, you know about 64 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.600 it. Yeah, that's natural. And you just mentioned the fact that your 65 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.439 dad was out with you sometimes. Is he into all this or does he 66 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.000 just go out to a peas? He all right, y'all, I'll go 67 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:11.279 with you. Now. He's my hiking buddy. Ever since I was little, 68 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.680 we were always camping, hiking, fishing. We just love being outside 69 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:20.120 like that, and so anytime I have a free day and he's got a 70 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:27.600 free day, we're out and we just love it. He actually does believe 71 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.759 in all of this. He's a very avid hunter. He always has been. 72 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.120 He's done a lot of hunting, even at Land between the Lakes, 73 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:41.560 which we know a lot of dog man sightings have been there, but he's 74 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:47.079 never had anything happen or anything to scare him. He does not want to 75 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:51.639 watch a whole lot or listen to a whole lot of these stories because he 76 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.639 said he doesn't want to be out there hunting and you know, going out 77 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.480 really early when it's still dark out and stuff and thinking about all that stuff 78 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.199 because it scaring too bad. Even though he believes in it, he just 79 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.480 tries not to dwell on it too much. Yeah, that's probably a good 80 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:13.519 idea. Then you just mentioned the LBL. I asked Paul about this last 81 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.839 week. Actually, do you believe in the stories about the murderers that allegedly 82 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:24.319 happened there. I do, Yeah, I do. Now. I personally 83 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.199 have never been there. It's not that I wouldn't go. I just haven't 84 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.080 ever been. Like I said, my dad had done some hunting there before. 85 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:39.360 But yeah, I didn't actually second guess the story. I definitely believe 86 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:45.320 it. It does make you wonder where there's smoke there's normally fires though, 87 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:50.279 if they just might be real. Yeah, I mean, there's just there's 88 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:58.720 too many sightings and things that have happened to people for that not to definitely 89 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.559 be a possibility of what happened there. You know, you can't. You 90 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:07.360 definitely can't rule it out. If they really did happen, then those poor 91 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.080 people, you really have to feel for them. Oh, I know, 92 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:15.320 it's horrible. It sure is. If you've had a dog me an encounter 93 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.080 would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on the 94 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.519 show, please go to dog Mean Encounters dot com and submit a report. 95 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.919 If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on one 96 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:30.559 of my two Bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and 97 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.919 let me know. All right, Renee. Please tell us about your encounters. 98 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:39.080 Now, give us every last detail that comes to mind. Okay, 99 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:46.159 well, if I'm starting with my first one, it was actually where I 100 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.200 told you I just moved from the subdivision that I lived in. It was 101 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.840 a giant loop and on the back side of the loop there hadn't been any 102 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.320 houses built yet, but it was a gravel road that went all the way 103 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.279 around, and then on each side of it was just a bunch of it 104 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:09.639 wasn't necessarily real thick, well it's semi thick trees, but yeah, I 105 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.320 mean, and my son would go back there walking all the time, and 106 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:16.559 I mean at this time he was like three years old. But yeah, 107 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.240 it was still very close to houses, you know, we could see them 108 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.639 from where we were standing. But we were just back there playing around One 109 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:31.320 day and I looked over and I saw it was in the bushes, but 110 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.759 it was like very very low to the ground, almost on the ground, 111 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:43.320 and I could see It's almost like it wasn't completely flesh and blood like I 112 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.759 couldn't It didn't look like I could necessarily reach out and tangibly touch it, 113 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.679 but I could one see it. There was a head, I could see 114 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.679 ears, shoulders, a neck, not much because it was so low to 115 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.120 the ground, and of course I was just like, wait, wait, 116 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.399 wait, you know, am I really Am I really seeing that? Because 117 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:09.679 he was just sitting there staring at me, I could make out. I 118 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.360 could tell there was eyes, a nose, a mouth, I mean, 119 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:20.679 because those areas were shaded. So I did get my phone out and I 120 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.320 was I did say, am I really seeing what I think I'm seeing? 121 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.799 And I made a comment about if I could see some movement, if they 122 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.159 would move, And I didn't see till later in the video there was actually 123 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.679 one behind it. It was so light though it was hard to pick up 124 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.960 on camera, but yeah, there was movement there when I asked them to 125 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:48.799 move, and I went frame by frame through the video, and sure enough 126 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.559 I saw what I thought, I think and I believe it was a dog 127 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:58.879 man. Now it didn't look like the typical like German shepherd. It didn't 128 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:05.799 like that. But it was not a sasquatch, and I do know that. 129 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.440 But yeah, and it morphed, you know, kind of in and 130 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:15.080 out. I could see the facial expressions changing from each frame, but it 131 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:20.039 had more of a more of a flatter type face. It wasn't really a 132 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.639 long nose on it. I know, it's hard to explain because I think 133 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:30.120 a lot of these dog men, they're not all typically the German shepherd look 134 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:35.000 to them. I think there's quite a few that looked a lot different. 135 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.039 But yeah, I believe that's what it was. And again, pretty much 136 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.440 the whole time, it was still there when I finally looked away. Now, 137 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:50.320 I didn't make a point to just stand there for ten minutes staring at 138 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.080 it and recording it or anything, you know, but I did acknowledge it 139 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.759 that I saw it, and then me and my son went about doing what 140 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:05.519 we were doing. But there was no I never felt any type of fear 141 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.000 at all, or that we needed to get out of there, which you 142 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.039 know, I've caught lots of things in that area in the past too, 143 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.120 on video, and it's always been that way. I just think, you 144 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:24.480 know, I think there's good and bad with everything, and sometimes they just 145 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:30.960 want to observe and watch and it's not necessarily like they're all out to want 146 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.639 to eat you or anything. And I just think it was i don't know, 147 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:41.279 like a mutual respect, just watching. But yeah, you always second 148 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:45.000 guess yourself, you know, you think there's no way I'm seeing this, 149 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.679 because it was like so clear to me at the time and it didn't take 150 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:54.399 me two seconds to look over there and see it. But yeah, just 151 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.879 very very low to the ground, like you wouldn't even think anything would have 152 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:03.759 would have been over there. Sure enough it was, as you know, 153 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.480 by laying close to the ground like that in most cases with people, they 154 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.000 wouldn't even notice it was there. But yeah, you, being observant the 155 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.600 way you are, you did. Yeah. I mean I went out in 156 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:20.519 that area all the time expecting to see something, and I would always take 157 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:26.519 short video clips over in the trees and the bushes and stuff, just for 158 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.200 that reason, because you know, almost every time I went out, I 159 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:37.600 could see something. There's always something. I feel like, you know, 160 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.360 they're whatever type of being it is. It doesn't mean it's just siswatch your 161 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.159 dog man. I believe there's all kinds of things out there, and there 162 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.320 always have been. They've always been there. We just don't know it. 163 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:56.720 So that's why there has to be a certain level of of mutual respect. 164 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.480 I guess, you know, they exist and do their thing and so do 165 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:05.480 we, and sometimes they just want to watch and that's it. Well, 166 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.720 it goes without saying, thank goodness, they shows so much restraint in most 167 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.840 cases. So yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah. And like I 168 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:20.679 said, I'm not really sure why as many things that I have captured that 169 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.240 I've never had a scary feeling at all. I don't really I don't have 170 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:30.519 an answer for that, but I'm just grateful that it has been that way 171 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.879 so far. Well that makes two of us. I'm grateful too, thank 172 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.759 goodness of that. When you had that first encounter, you said that you're 173 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.320 with your son, it didn't make any aggressive moves towards you. But were 174 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:52.679 you concerned about his safety? Actually no, I don't know if that sounds 175 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:58.919 terrible or not, but just because we're always out there, and I've caught 176 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:07.080 so many things in videos previously that I feel like we live in that area 177 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:12.799 and they must live or at least hang out in that area an awful lot. 178 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:21.039 And apparently they've always been there, I guess. And so with me 179 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:26.000 never having a feeling of being threatened or anything, No, I wasn't concerned, 180 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:32.000 not at all. Actually. I mean, you know, like if 181 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:34.399 I ever felt the tiniest bit of something like, oh, we need to 182 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.960 get out of here, And oh, I wouldn't hesitate on that. But 183 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:44.279 like I said, we're just in a subdivision and there's houses. I can 184 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.519 look to each side, my left and right and see a house. It's 185 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.440 not like there were houses just way off. So yeah, you just don't 186 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:56.639 feel even scared, you know, right where you're at. Well, it 187 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.399 goes without saying I'm so glad that experience went so well. Thank goodness. 188 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:07.359 Yeah, thanks me too. Well, you welcome. You told us how 189 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.640 it didn't seem to be flesh and blood. What do you think dogmen are? 190 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:18.839 Renee? Well, I believe they're interdimensional for sure. Again, that's 191 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:25.759 why I think people don't see these beings all the time. That's exactly why, 192 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:32.400 because they have abilities that they just can cloak or whether it be I 193 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:37.160 think they traveled by portals and all of that stuff. So yeah, they're 194 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.599 just their abilities to disappear at will. That's why we don't see them all 195 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:48.559 the time. And yeah, it's weird because it's it's like I could tell 196 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.599 without a doubt that he was there, but he still looked like a shrub, 197 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:57.960 if that makes sense. That's why I was like, he didn't necessarily 198 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.759 look like just a thick, dark being that I could just go over there 199 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.319 and grab a hold of. But yet I could fully see that he was 200 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.599 there. He just still looked like the green shrubs, but darker. You 201 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:18.400 know, I could tell his face and his eyes and mouth, and it's 202 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:21.720 it's hard to explain. That's the best way I can explain it. Really. 203 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.039 There's a lot of evidence out there to support the idea that you just 204 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:29.759 mentioned about them being ethereal, because for them to do a lot of the 205 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:33.319 things that so many credible eyewitnesses report seeing them do, that's really the only 206 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:40.680 explanation. Yeah. And you know when you go through your videos and you 207 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:47.319 can see you catch a really good frame of a face and then the next 208 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:53.039 minute it's like morphed and looks completely different. It's like there's there's your answer 209 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.559 right there too, because we don't look like that and we're solid. So 210 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.920 you can tell the there's abilities there for sure, because they're not. It's 211 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.160 like they're not fully three D all the time. It really does make you 212 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:14.960 wonder what the extent of their abilities actually is. Mhmm. Yeah, I 213 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:19.319 don't know. Some of these encounters that I've heard that they were being chased 214 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.960 by a dog man and all of that is. Oh man, I just 215 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:30.920 couldn't even imagine the fear that you would feel in a situation like that. 216 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:36.920 Now, I mean, I think once they're fully like flesh and blood. 217 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:45.200 You know. I don't know if there's some that's been possibly born here because 218 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.559 I think they live in a different dimension most of the time. And I 219 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:56.119 don't know if some of them are just earth bound and they're fully flesh and 220 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.319 blood form. You know that That is one question that I have. But 221 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.160 yeah, I wish I didn't know the answer to that. Well, there 222 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.799 are a lot of answers we wish we had, but unfortunately we don't have 223 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.440 them. Right, that's right. What can you tell us about it? 224 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:18.920 Didn't have your other experiences with them? Well, I will mention the one 225 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:23.359 that when me and Paul went out that was last year, last April. 226 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:30.440 Actually I went with him, and I'm so sorry I can't think of exactly 227 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.200 where it was that we went, because I'd met up with him and we 228 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.440 drove down. I had never been there before, but he goes there all 229 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:44.920 the time and captures a lot of stuff. But we were we were standing 230 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.559 on the bank and there was a body of water, and so I was 231 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:55.440 looking across the water and over in the tree. There was a bunch of 232 00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:00.119 trees and stuff on the other side as well, and I was recording. 233 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.559 He was standing there next to me. He might have been recording in a 234 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:08.920 different area or something too, but I just saw it in the tree line 235 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:14.079 it. I mean, I knew immediately what it was. I was like 236 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:18.200 that, now that is not a tree. There's something standing right there. 237 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:25.200 And it was the blackest black, and I could tell it was very thick, 238 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:32.720 real wide legs were just they looked massive. But he was standing perfectly 239 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.759 still. He was right next to a tree, kind of like under a 240 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:41.400 tree, and there was other smaller trees and taller bushes around as well. 241 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:45.079 But I could see each leg. I could tell that he had his legs 242 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.440 apart. So that was another thing that gave it away, because I could 243 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:56.920 see the two legs. And now at the time, I couldn't tell what 244 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:02.440 it was for sure. I just knew that there was a figure standing there. 245 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.920 And when I reviewed the video later, I could see the points on 246 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.839 the top of his head, so I knew. I knew that was a 247 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:15.519 dog man for sure, and I pointed it out to Paul at the time 248 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.200 too, and he was like, oh my god, yeah, there's no 249 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:25.400 doubt that's what that is. So yeah, he never moved, never moved, 250 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:30.519 just stood perfectly still. And there were others around. They weren't as 251 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:37.079 clear as he was, but you could tell even at that distance. I 252 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:41.839 mean, when you've been doing it for a while, the research and I 253 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.440 don't know, certain things, they just kind of pop out at you, 254 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.160 like you don't even have to second guess yourself, really, you just know. 255 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:55.039 And I spotted him the minute I panned to that area. But you 256 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.680 know, he was a pretty good distance away. So yeah, again, 257 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:03.160 it wasn't anything that we felt fear that we needed to run or anything. 258 00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.640 Yeah, he would have had to swim across the water to get to us 259 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.079 anyway. But yeah, so that was pretty cool, and I that's some 260 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.240 of my best pictures I think, at least a couple that I got from 261 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:19.319 that. You said that he was across a body of water from you. 262 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:26.400 How far away was he? Oh gosh, I'm not good at really, 263 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.400 let's see. So well, I think Paul was saying, it's probably about 264 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:40.119 one hundred and seventy five yards away. I'm thinking that's what he said. 265 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.160 I'm not the best at judging distance. Oh that's all right, no harm, 266 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.720 no foul there. One hundred and seventy five yards seems like a pretty 267 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:55.079 good distance until you're standing there steering that to dog men. So I'm sure 268 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.279 it seemed like two feed, you know. And I'm gonna feel bad if 269 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:03.720 he said seven five yards. I remember he commented on it in the group, 270 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.960 and yeah, so again I apologize, I'm not the best at that. 271 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.319 Oh that's all right. I mean, you had so many things going 272 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:18.200 on in your head, you can blame you. How would you compare the 273 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.200 way this one looked compared to the first one you saw. Well, this 274 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:29.240 one you could definitely tell that it had more of like a German shepherd type 275 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:34.480 look. It had the longer muzzle on it and the pointy ears on the 276 00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:38.799 very top of his head. The first one that I seen, I could 277 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:45.880 see ears on the top, but they weren't like really pointy. They were 278 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:52.039 smaller, and again he had more of a shorter a muzzle on him. 279 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:56.759 It didn't look like it was like long he's sticking out at all. Really, 280 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:00.079 But yeah, this one that we saw across the water definitely had the 281 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:06.000 German shepherd type look to it, and like I said, just it looked 282 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:14.759 like just the blackest shadow. You couldn't make out any any features or details, 283 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:17.759 you know, because it was a good distance away, and it was 284 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.519 sort of in the shadows as well, because it was under the tree that 285 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.440 you could still if you knew what you're looking for, you know, you 286 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:30.119 could definitely have spotted it being that far away, and the fact that he 287 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.319 was in the shadows and so dark. That was a good job seeing them. 288 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:37.039 Thank you, You're welcome. How big did he seem to be? 289 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:48.720 Oh? Man, I would say it looked like it was probably nine nine 290 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:53.839 and a half feet tall. It looked like that to me. He looked 291 00:25:53.960 --> 00:26:02.200 pretty big, really thick. Like I said, his legs were just yeah, 292 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:07.200 they were massive, and his chest. You know, his head was 293 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.400 the part that was harder to see. I mean, you know, I 294 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.079 could see it in my video where I would zoom in on it and stuff 295 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.960 even more and doing the frame by frame. But yeah, at the time, 296 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:23.759 I couldn't make out his head, but I just I could the rest 297 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.720 of his body. That's pretty big, not for a dog man, but 298 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.559 that's still awfully big. Yeah. Have you had any other experiences out there 299 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:40.599 with them or just those two. Well, as far as seeing things, 300 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:47.920 I mean I have seen things as well in other places, but not it's 301 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.880 one of those things that I could see that there was something in the shadows. 302 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:56.200 But they are so good at camouflage. It wasn't like I could make 303 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:02.759 out every feature in detail of out it. Now the videos that I got, 304 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.240 you know, I've got plenty of pretty incredible pictures I think of him, 305 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.480 But yeah, you just know. Sometimes you just know. On my 306 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:17.519 way to work there was a particular spot that it just gave you dog man 307 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:22.799 vibes like no other. Like I just knew. So every time I was 308 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.640 going to and from work, I would slow down. And it was on 309 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.839 a back road, so there was not much traffic out there at all, 310 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:36.799 and you're lucky to pass one car out there when you're going by. But 311 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:42.400 I just knew that they were out there, and I caught plenty of things 312 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.319 out there. I knew I was right. I was like him. But 313 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:51.079 now as far as good of the two that I was telling you about, 314 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.759 it's just reviewing videos later that I have seen for sure what I knew was 315 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:02.400 out there. One of them was with my dad. I'm going to be 316 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.480 sharing those pictures on here as well. It appeared to be a den, 317 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:12.920 and I think it was pups, and there might have been some adults in 318 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:18.640 there too. I think they can be as big or small, I guess 319 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.240 as they want to be their interdimensional so they can do a lot of things. 320 00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:27.039 But my dad and I were up at a very top. It was 321 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:32.839 a large hill. We took the trail up, but we didn't take it 322 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.119 down. We kind of just scaled down the side of it. So we 323 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:41.000 were sliding and holding onto trees and that's how we do things. But we 324 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.279 finally got to a fairly level spot and he was up ahead of me just 325 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.359 a little bit, and I just got the urge to this dirt mound. 326 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:56.680 I just knew something was in it, and I saw something on the top. 327 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.160 I was filming something else completely and it was a face that I thought, 328 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.079 you know, I was seeing, which it was a face. But 329 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:08.599 when I reviewed it the video later, that's when I saw what I'm going 330 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.039 to be sharing on the show. Yeah, one of the pictures, it's 331 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:18.160 one of the clearest I have. I was pretty shocked. And well, 332 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.000 the other one that I'm sharing also from that same dirt mound was like very 333 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:29.000 very black, like what Paul and I saw a couple of the pictures. 334 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.359 Actually it appears and I don't know what it is. I know they have 335 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.200 ways of camouflaging themselves and they can do things we can't explain. But it 336 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:42.119 looked like it had little black horns on the top of its head. And 337 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:47.480 I don't know if that was just a type of something for camouflage or what, 338 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.440 because you could see the ears on the side of his head, but 339 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.799 then you also saw these on top of his head and it reminded you of 340 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:02.519 a bulls horns. But yeah, So the way I've zoomed in on that 341 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:07.279 particular one, it looks like he's big. He looks pretty big, but 342 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:14.440 they weren't. They were very small actually, because this dirt mound, it 343 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.960 wasn't massive. I mean, it wasn't a little bitty dirt pile either, 344 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:23.279 but it wasn't like a great big You would never have thought that that many 345 00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.160 things were hiding in there. Who knows how deep that ten is though, 346 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.920 Yeah, And I mean it's like I think a lot of these beings do 347 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:40.519 go underground. That's my personal opinion. I think that's a lot of the 348 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.839 reason too, why people don't see them all the time. That you know 349 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:51.039 that the world is full. I mean, there's tunnels that go everywhere underground, 350 00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:56.839 and so I think a lot of cryptids and things are down down in 351 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:03.519 tunnels as well. Okay, it's a perfect place for him. You just 352 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.039 mentioned the pictures you took. I'm about to show them one by one on 353 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.519 the YouTube version of tonight showing as I do that. Please tell us what 354 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:18.519 we're looking at. Okay, this first one, this was also at my 355 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:25.920 subdivision. It wasn't the first one that I described because those pictures I feel 356 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:29.960 like they did turn out pretty good, but they weren't as clear as this 357 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.960 one is for people to see because I'm not really for sure how bad pixelated 358 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.599 you know, the picture would be once I've put it out as well. 359 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:44.759 But this one was also in my subdivision, and I was really close to 360 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:52.160 this and at the time, Like I said, this one, I can't 361 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.680 remember for sure if I saw it at the time or not, or if 362 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.920 it was after. You know, I saw, like a lot of times, 363 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:04.079 I see figures, like I said, shapes, but until you view 364 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.680 it later, then you're like, oh, crap, that is what that 365 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.599 was. But yeah, he looks pretty big, and I got a lot 366 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.720 of different frames of his face changing a little bit as well, and there's 367 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:22.079 several there's other ones around him too, but they're not as clear as him. 368 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.799 I think he was. It's pretty obvious. But this is one of 369 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:36.519 my favorite pictures too. This second one was this was behind the house when 370 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.119 I lived in the subdivision. I was standing in my group of trees on 371 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:47.319 my side of the road and this was across the subdivision road in the tree 372 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:54.240 line, and I've gotten lots of things from that particular area, so it 373 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:59.119 was pretty close to me. I did not see this one at the time, 374 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.200 but was pretty shocked when I did see it. I thought, his 375 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:09.240 eyes, they really stand out in this picture, and I just think it's 376 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:14.079 neat. How just the way they use the branches camouflage, you know, 377 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:19.519 to break their face up. It's they're incredible, just like the Sasquatch are 378 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:24.160 with their camo. It's pretty mind blowing sometimes. But yeah, he's kind 379 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:30.200 of got a menacing look about him, I think. But again, this 380 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:36.960 was an area that I was constantly out in it or next two and along 381 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:42.480 with my son as well, and never I hadn't felt nothing bad with this 382 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.319 either, but just happened to see it later that evening when I reviewed the 383 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:55.440 video. Okay, this third one, now, this one is very different. 384 00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:00.279 I have never gotten one that looks quite like this one. This is 385 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:08.159 one of my favorite pictures. Definitely this It has almost like a human appearance 386 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:14.159 to it. It's one of those things. Actually, I'm not sure what 387 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:22.320 to say it is if it's definitely a dog man. I worked at a 388 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.119 home I did, you know, caretaking, and I would go to people's 389 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:31.639 homes and set with them and stuff. And she lived on a farm and 390 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.239 this her land. It was just so beautiful there. There was just fields 391 00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:43.400 and trees and her drive up was just surrounded with trees. It was so 392 00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:46.159 amazing. So I knew that there was a lot going on out there too, 393 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:52.559 and so sometimes when I would get there in the evenings, I would 394 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.960 just stand out in the driveway and record the tree line. And that one 395 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:04.079 right there was around a tree at me. And again at the time I 396 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:08.239 didn't even know it. I did not see this really, by how clear 397 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.639 its face is, I don't know how I didn't see it. But there 398 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.440 was so much to take in and I was getting there every evening about eight 399 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:21.880 o'clock, so it was almost dark anyway. But yeah, this picture, 400 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.440 like I said, it's one of my favorites. And I can't say for 401 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.639 sure that that is a dog man, but if anybody has any ideas, 402 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:36.119 you could throw them out there. Okay, now this is actually the pups 403 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:39.440 that I was just telling you about a few minutes ago. And that dirt 404 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:45.519 mound where me and my dad went out, Now this was actually this was 405 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:53.480 probably about twenty twenty five minutes. Well, no, it's probably twenty minutes 406 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:59.760 from where I live. It's just a local area that we visited. And 407 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.360 like I said, at the time, I didn't know that they were peeking 408 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.760 out like that. But when I got home and was reviewing all this later, 409 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.599 I immediately sent it to my dad and I was like, do you 410 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.559 see these And he's like, yeah, I said, that's where we just 411 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:21.599 were, and he was like, no way, yeah, but yeah, 412 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.679 the first one there, he is super clear. Now the one behind him, 413 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.599 I've got I've got multiple frames of these guys, and some of them, 414 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:36.719 the one there in front, his face is completely morph looking like you 415 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.639 can't even tell it's a face. That's why I was saying their abilities to 416 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:47.119 cloak in and out. It's just incredible because one minute his face is clear, 417 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:52.800 the next it's not. Than it is again and some of them, 418 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.039 the one behind that one, would be super clear. So it just depends 419 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.159 depends on the frame. You can get a split second where you can get 420 00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.519 a perfectly, you know, pretty clear shot of a face, but you 421 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.079 got to get just the right frame because it's very, very hard. I 422 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:15.920 never get anything from just snapping pictures because I just don't feel like I would 423 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.079 ever get anything that way. It's all from videos, okay. And this 424 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.960 one is also in that same dirt mound that I was telling you about. 425 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:34.199 It was behind the first two that we showed. This is the one. 426 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.280 It looks like he's got horns on the top of his head as well, 427 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:44.360 So I'm really not sure what's going on there. But I have got probably 428 00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:52.360 twenty frames of his face and they're changing in every one. Now, for 429 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.840 the most part, it does look the same, but you can tell there's 430 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:02.800 definitely differences in each one. It almost even has more of a skeletal type 431 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.519 look, if that even makes sense. But just the darkening of the nose 432 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:15.239 almost triangle looking. It's hard to explain, but and he looks very big 433 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.599 too, And again these were not big. I just was able to zoom 434 00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:24.000 in really really good. Like just looking at the video, you never would 435 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:30.360 have guessed at all that anything was in there. And this is this is 436 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.480 actually the first one that I showed my dad that he was just like blown 437 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.519 away by, and I was like, yep, I knew there was something 438 00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.599 over there because I told him, I was like, hang on, just 439 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.400 wait on me just a second, because I want a film right here. 440 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.320 And so so where I got them, okay. And then the last one 441 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:52.280 here, this is when Paul and I went out last year, so it 442 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.639 was the one that we'd been talking about earlier. And yeah, you can 443 00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.960 definitely see the points on his ears in this particular frame. Not all of 444 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.559 the video you can see that, but this one you can really well, 445 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:10.159 I think, and you can just tell the thickness of his legs and his 446 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:20.000 torso and stomach area. It's just he was very wide and again, like 447 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.239 I said, I think it was probably about nine and a half feet tall. 448 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:30.039 I would just guessing. You can see he's just black. Black is 449 00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:35.840 black, And there was never any distinctive features that I could see, but 450 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.800 one of my favorite pictures though, I'm really impressed for Hey, National Geographics 451 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.679 should put you on the payroll. Great job. Well, thank you very 452 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.920 much. I love doing it. I really do enjoy it. Well, 453 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.239 you've got a knack for it. You've got great instincts. Finding that den 454 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:58.480 with pups in that the way you did. Did you have any concerns about 455 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.159 your safety? No, I didn't. Like I said at the time, 456 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.519 I just didn't even know that they were really in there. I just saw 457 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.079 what looked like a face more on like the top of it, and I 458 00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:20.000 was recording that so I had no idea until I got home that night and 459 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.960 was able to go through the videos to even know that it was there. 460 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:29.400 So and it was really it was quiet out there. It was It didn't 461 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.639 feel necessarily creepy or eerie, but it was pretty quiet out that day. 462 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:37.679 But yeah, I didn't even know they were there, so no, I 463 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:43.519 didn't. I wasn't worried about my safety at all since he didn't know about 464 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.920 that den until after the fact. Did you ever go back to visit that 465 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:54.079 den? I have it yet, but I will. Yeah, Yeah, 466 00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.559 it's not that far and where me and my dad went on one of our 467 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:05.280 last hikes. Oh my goodness, I've caught quite a bit from that area 468 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:10.320 too, and we were out not even close on a trail, and this 469 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.440 was out in Daniel Boone National Forest as well. Now, the den of 470 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:22.719 pups wasn't but they're everywhere really, It's just I don't know. At least 471 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.000 that's what I have found a lot of times when I go out. When 472 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:32.159 I come back and review things, you'll see something. But yeah, i'd 473 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:36.480 like for us to go back when. I'm sure he would definitely be up 474 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.480 for doing that because it's not very far from here at all. You think 475 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:43.039 your dad would go back with you if you knew that there is a den 476 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:47.079 with dog me and pups in there. Well, I don't know why. 477 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:54.039 Like again, I'm not I'm not in freak out moat about it or anything, 478 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.400 or I don't feel scared about it. I don't know. I feel 479 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:04.760 like if I would have felt that feeling at the time and I didn't, 480 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.199 I don't know. I guess that would just be like saying you're never going 481 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:14.119 to go back out just because you know there are things out there and we 482 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:19.719 all know that there's things out there and you never know where they're going to 483 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:23.840 be, so you can't necessarily let that stop you from getting out and just 484 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.639 enjoying what you love to do. Now, again, like I said, 485 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:35.159 if something were to happen that I have an absolutely horrific experience with something chasing 486 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:39.960 me, like, yeah, i'd probably i'd feel a little bit different about 487 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.840 that, But that's never happened to me just yet, So I'm just still 488 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:49.360 going to try to get out and enjoy one of my favorite things to do. 489 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.559 It's just being in nature. You don't frighten easile idea. I love 490 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:59.239 that. Well, thank you. Now, it just depends. I mean, 491 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.159 like I said, I don't want to sound I'm not trying at all 492 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.480 to sound like I'm just you know, it's such a hard No, it's 493 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.960 it's not necessarily that. It's just I just know so many things. They've 494 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:17.719 been around for so long, and people go out every day and never see 495 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:24.280 or experience anything at all, you know, their entire life, and I 496 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:30.159 just happen to know I am aware that they're out there. Yeah, like 497 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.400 I said, it's just I'm not trying to come off like I wouldn't be 498 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:37.000 scared to death if something, you know, crazy happened, because I would, 499 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.760 but I just going with the flow right now. I guess you'd say. 500 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.840 I just hope some time down the road, no experiences like that happened 501 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:50.679 to you where you are frightened out of the woods. Yeah, yeah, 502 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.960 I know it because that's my favorite thing to do when I get free time. 503 00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.000 That's just where I want to be. You know, we hike into 504 00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:04.199 some beautiful waterfalls. Kentucky's got a lot of beautiful places that I had never 505 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.880 even visited till even a few years ago, and I was like, wow, 506 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.920 I didn't even know that was here. So yeah, me and my 507 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:15.280 dad, like I said, anytime we're both free, we're out there and 508 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.360 we're planning ongoing camping here soon. We went to b Rock not too long 509 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.320 ago. Well it was like a week and a half ago. It's part 510 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:30.039 of the Daniel Boone National Forests as well, and it is gorgeous and you 511 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.840 know, I caught some stuff on film in there too. But yeah, 512 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.719 that's where we're planning ongoing here soon to camp out. Well, goozle, 513 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.039 that's saying I hope you two have a great time, thank you. I'm 514 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.480 sure we will. You're welcome. From what I understand, you transition from 515 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:52.119 being focused on sasquatch to focusing on dog men. Does that mean that you 516 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:59.679 don't research Sasquatch at all? Now? No, I'm very much into all 517 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:05.000 of what I felt like was happening. In the beginning where I lived before, 518 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.719 in that subdivision, I was thinking it was more Sasquatch activity, and 519 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:15.280 I still think a lot of it was. But the longer that I've been 520 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:21.840 in this, I think some of what I was thinking might have been a 521 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:28.760 sas watch wasn't. I almost think that that area had more dog men around 522 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.199 or canine type beings around. Like I said, whatever, they were not 523 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.960 malicious. But now that I go back through some videos that I had looked 524 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:43.000 at, you know, a couple of years prior, I see things differently 525 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.760 now and I'm like, Okay, that's not a sas watch. So when 526 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:51.239 you're first starting in this and everything that you see, you know, all 527 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.920 you know is you're seeing eyes. You can tell there's a head, there's 528 00:45:53.960 --> 00:46:00.400 eyes, there's movement there. That's just your first initial fault. Think for 529 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.119 a lot of people it's like that's a big boot, that's sasquatch. But 530 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.400 I think a lot more of it was dog man stuff. Now, I 531 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:14.800 definitely did see a sasquatch in my subdivision in that tree line once before, 532 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.559 and I got that on film too, But it's not your typical looking sasquatch 533 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.840 either. It's yeah, you know, their face. I told you how, 534 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:29.920 it's like kind of still cloaked looking. I was standing inside my group 535 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.480 of trees and looked across the road and I just saw a brown figure. 536 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.800 It was perfectly blended into the trees and the grass around it. I mean, 537 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:42.480 if I wasn't looking for that type of stuff, I never would have 538 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.800 even seen it. And it was the same type of thing. Am I 539 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:50.840 really seeing? What I think? Is he just standing there staring at me 540 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.719 like that? That's what your brain's thinking, Like, no way. And 541 00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.679 he didn't look super tall, I don't know. It only looked to be 542 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:05.360 about maybe six foot or it wasn't real real tall, And it looked like 543 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.800 I had a headpiece of some sort on. But I saw that later going 544 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:15.039 through the video. But yeah, I know that was Sorry. I got 545 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:20.239 a little bit off topic there, But I still love it all I do, 546 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.320 and I think I still see both. But the dog Man's just really 547 00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:31.800 been more upfront and in the limelight. It seems like with most of my 548 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:37.079 stuff. I don't know why. Well, they have a way of doing 549 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:42.280 that through good of capturing your attention and hang on to it. Yeah, 550 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.639 I guess so I should have asked Paul about this last week, but for 551 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:52.280 some reason I didn't. How do you two start researching together? I had 552 00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:58.400 posted some stuff in the I guess it was in the Kentucky his group. 553 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.320 I'm trying to think if it was his group or if it might have been 554 00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.440 another one, and then he was posting in it too, so he would 555 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.880 comment on some of my posts. And then we just started talking and he 556 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:17.119 had messaged me on Messenger and we were just talking about oh yeah, we're 557 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:23.079 like really close and just how we got into it and some of our experiences 558 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.679 and stuff, and we were like, yeah, maybe we could go out 559 00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:32.039 one day, and so yeah, it was just through Facebook and that's the 560 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.840 only time we've actually gotten to go out and do anything. We were out 561 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.119 for a little bit and then his fiance came out and met us too, 562 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:44.880 and we all walked around a little bit more together. But yeah, I 563 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:50.599 would love to do it again. We still talk fairly often, and he's 564 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:57.400 probably I'm thirty minutes, thirty five minutes for me, i'd say, I'm 565 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:02.199 so glad you too linked up like that. Yeah, yeah, he's he's 566 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.719 fully in this. He lives and breeds it. Lad he does. Yeah, 567 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:13.239 he definitely does. And he's got some good stuff too. Yeah, 568 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.960 yeah, definitely. Is your way of researching them similar to the way he 569 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.360 does are quite a bit different. Um, yeah, I think he goes 570 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:29.960 about it a little differently. He might be see, I'm I'm a single 571 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.519 mom, so and my son, well, my daughter's eighteen, but my 572 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.719 son's just five, so it has to be when I don't have him. 573 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:45.280 And a lot of times my friends you know, their mothers as well, 574 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.639 and everybody's so busy all the time. It's very, very hard to meet 575 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.079 up with a friend to go out on a hike somewhere because usually where we 576 00:49:54.199 --> 00:50:00.400 go it's it's at least an hour, hour and a half driver longer to 577 00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.679 get to these places and stuff. But you know, so that's why me 578 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:07.639 and my dad go out. And I don't know, I think sometimes more 579 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:13.119 he's going in more as to just full out research, where I'm kind of 580 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.480 going just for the hike and the nature experience, and I mean he does 581 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.960 too, don't get me wrong, but that's kind of more of what I'm 582 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:24.519 doing. I'm not always beering off all the trails, even though I'd kind 583 00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:28.920 of like to, but Dad would be more up to do that with me. 584 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:34.639 And then I just randomly just start recording for a minute or two, 585 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:39.599 just in places that I feel the urge to do so, so yeah, 586 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.840 it is differently, I'm just kind of I don't know if I want to 587 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:49.039 say nonchalant about how I'm doing it. You know, I'm not like out 588 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:53.559 just specifically for that reason, is what I'm saying. And yeah, it 589 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:58.760 just so happens that a lot comes through that way. But you know, 590 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.800 because if the person you're with isn't in it as much as you are, 591 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.800 you know, I don't want to sit there and just try to be filming 592 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.800 or wait, wait, wait, let's just stop and I have them wait, 593 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.679 but that's pretty cool. He'll just he'll hang out for a few minutes 594 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.360 to let me record and then we just go on. Well, regardless of 595 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.000 how serious you think you are when it comes to researching them, like I 596 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:25.880 said before, you definitely get results. And I'm awfully impressed. What's about 597 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.559 time for us to get out of your renee. But before we do, 598 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:34.400 do you have any closing comments you'd like to share? Well, I guess 599 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:40.079 I know more and more people are interested in this subject. It seems over 600 00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.480 the past few years like more and more people are coming to this. I 601 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:53.679 think more and more cryptids are showing themselves, also extraterrestrials like the whole thing. 602 00:51:53.840 --> 00:52:00.239 I just think everybody's having a lot more experiences lately, even if you're 603 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:06.000 not particularly going out looking for them, they're seeing things. And I think 604 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.760 the villa is then right now, if you enjoy nature, you love it, 605 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:15.320 don't let it deter you from going out. Now. I do always 606 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:22.679 protect myself. I will say that, I say a prayer, and I'm 607 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.840 really into crystals and stones. There's certain stones that are really good for protection 608 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:32.239 and grounding and I carry that with me as well. So, yeah, 609 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:37.079 you do want to go out into the woods or the forest and be protected. 610 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.880 So that's definitely not going to hurt to do that. First off, 611 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.280 it Just get out and enjoy yourself. Don't let it stop your and still 612 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:50.639 fear in you to where you don't want to go out and enjoy these things 613 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.360 because there's a lot of people that are never going to have an experience ever. 614 00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:59.679 So yeah, just get out there and enjoy yourself and don't worry about 615 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:04.960 what could happen because it might not ever happen. Couldn't have said it any 616 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:09.079 better myself, Rinee. I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing 617 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:13.599 those experiences with this as well as the pictures. I really appreciate it. 618 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.360 Oh, no problem, it's my pleasure. Well, it's been great having 619 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.519 you, and thanks again so much for your time, and have a great night.