WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.520 Do you enjoy Plant Dabty Podcast. Do you find yourself listening to us going 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.879 on and on about plants after more than one hundred episodes, then consider supporting 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:11.560 us on Patreon, where official patrons get access to our show ad free with 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 a little bonus after show that we started recently as well, or you could 5 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:17.519 just fund us a cup of coffee to keep the planty talk coming, or 6 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:20.600 tell a friend or leave a positive review, and as always, thank you 7 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:27.000 for listening and supporting us in any way that works for you. And we're 8 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:45.000 live. This is Plant Datty Podcast. I'm Matthew and I'm Stephen. Well 9 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:49.759 Happy July everyone, and welcome to the season three finale of Plant Dabty Podcast. 10 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.439 Congratulations Stephen. Who'd have thought that we would still be doing this three 11 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.520 years after we first began this show. Yeah, no one currently present in 12 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:03.079 this video call. Certainly thanks again to everyone listening, both new people and 13 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:07.000 our oldest, longest suffering listeners. How do you do it? I know 14 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.519 I always feel bad for people who mentioned that they listened to us on road 15 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:15.079 trips, like you want to listen to that much of our voices and gentle 16 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.760 bickering. I get sick of our own voices when I edit. So wow, 17 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:26.120 we are flattered. Anyways, we recently got the awesome opportunity to host 18 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.400 a live fundraising event for the Volunteer Park Conservatory, one of our favorite places 19 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.000 in Seattle during Pride Month. Yeah, and we were joined by Emily Alsop, 20 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.519 who was our guest in our recent episode on air Plants. So we 21 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:42.120 basically just chatted about what plant parenthood and the house plant hobby means to us, 22 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:45.519 and then we had a really fun time answering a bunch of plant questions 23 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.120 from attendees. And as we're thinking about the next season and how we might 24 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.879 tinker with episode formats, we thought we'd try to have more episodes dedicated to 25 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:56.599 listener questions. So today we have three of our favorites from the live event. 26 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.200 Matthew start us off. Yeah, so this is one that of a 27 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:05.760 s thoughts on how do you feel about rare plants, plant options and growers 28 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.759 like home depot and lows and how they impact the market. Yeah, and 29 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:13.479 I think we've touched on this here and there before in the show. Yeah, 30 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:19.599 I would say that I accept and or respect all parts of this ecosystem, 31 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.039 like for anyone not in the US home depot and lows mentioned in the 32 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:28.719 question are big box hardware and like home good stores that have plant selections usually 33 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.400 like it's not their focus as a store, but those sections are bigger than 34 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:37.479 many plant stores just because those stores are so large themselves. Yeah, but 35 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:42.280 that doesn't mean that their selection is as deep or perhaps as interesting as the 36 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:46.879 smaller specialty shops actual dedicated planners raise or the online space, but it is 37 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:51.759 where a lot of us start buying plants to try out and grow for the 38 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.199 first time. Right. So we've said this before, but we both believe 39 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:00.960 that more plant buying options and more price points makes it more excessive for everyone, 40 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.919 which is what the hobby is and should be about. Personally, I 41 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:09.319 shop at dedicated plant stores almost exclusively because I tend to like their selections better 42 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:14.599 my own budget allows it, and I would urge others to do that if 43 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:19.000 they can, But I don't judge anyone who prefers to shop elsewhere or needs 44 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.080 to, and frankly, I'm jealous when people find amazing plants at those places, 45 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.879 which seems to happen like every day if YouTube is to be believed. 46 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.199 Yeah, and social media in general, I feel like I live by the 47 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.000 worst lows and home depots for the class selection. Yeah, yeah, I 48 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:39.719 don't know what's going on, but yeah, Stephen Myer in agreement here. 49 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:45.719 I recognize that supporting large corporations has its faults, and like, if you 50 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:47.919 dig into the political side of things, there's a lot of feelings on it. 51 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.639 But I also think that it's frankly classist and elitist to not recognize the 52 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:59.599 value of being able to shop for accessible plants that are both interesting and desirable 53 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.240 and heel to different tastes within the plant community, and also plants to thrive 54 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:08.879 in a variety of growing conditions. I don't really love the part of the 55 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:14.919 boom in houseplant interest over the recent years that has effectively priced some plant parents 56 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.800 out of areas of the hobby that used to be more accessible, just because 57 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:23.959 more people have jumped on the bandwagon, and not all cities have amazing access 58 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.000 to small quality plant shops like we do here. Yeah, I mean, 59 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.240 I pretty much agree right acknowledging that it's important for smaller specialty stores to kind 60 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.519 of make their valid pitches too, which are totally valid, Like, there's 61 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:40.519 a lot of great reasons to shop there anyway quote rare plants like this, 62 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.360 I think they kind of add something to the community too, if I may 63 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:47.879 be so bold, Like they add to the hobby by being the topic of 64 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:54.079 exciting, polarizing conversations, and they're kind of the fodder for the plant stories 65 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.519 that we like to tell, right, Yeah, you know, we found 66 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.480 an amazing deal on something, or we remember when these were cheap and you 67 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:04.639 know, or when they were expensive and we heard like that somebody bought a 68 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:10.600 single rotten looking node for a crazy price and like all of that. Okay, 69 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.800 And I'm not saying like therefore this is great, but I mean there 70 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.519 are some downstream like benefits I think that we all kind of lean into. 71 00:05:17.560 --> 00:05:20.680 Sometimes it's kind of the spice or something. Yeah, And I think that 72 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:26.160 when it comes to what, you know, quote a rare plant is like 73 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:31.120 what do you mean when you say rare? Because like, there's status plants, 74 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.279 there's these covetable plants that just don't have a lot of supply on the 75 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:40.319 market. And the cool plus side to this, in my mind, is 76 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:44.079 that it generates interest and just like you're saying, it give us people stuff 77 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.680 to talk about. They get really excited because they happen to find like a 78 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.759 good deal on something, or they happened to grow up a tiny little nubbin 79 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:57.800 that they propagated. I think that that enthusiasm is really great, but there's 80 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.600 a lot of people who honestly are probably a lot more into plants than either 81 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.040 of us, even on you know, Facebook plant groups, or like this 82 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:11.480 is not actually a rare plant. It's like it's not an actually rare thing 83 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.120 on this earth because there are a few of them. It's rare like diamonds 84 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:20.120 are rare because like Deber's controls the entire inventory of them and dules them out 85 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:26.839 to control what the price strategy is for them. So like, yes, 86 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.600 you know, quote rare plants. I always like question when I use the 87 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.920 hashtag rare plant, you know tags on social media, like this is not 88 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:38.720 rare? Yeah yeah, And I mean, yeah, that's important to remember. 89 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:43.720 We also both have friends who grow actually rare plants that are very inexpensive 90 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.839 to buy because there's not the interest in them. But they are truly indeed 91 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.560 rare, which is interesting to think about, right, Or it's kind of 92 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:51.879 like, hey, there's this is a rare thing. We just kind of 93 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:56.240 are spreading this around so there are more, you know, kind of copies 94 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.079 of it in case something happens like that's I mean, I'm not involved in 95 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.040 that in any like critical way, but in little ways here and there, 96 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.920 it's kind of cool to participate. I'm not being critical. It's just I 97 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.759 think there's a place for these where plants, and it's interesting. Yeah, 98 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:12.079 and I'll just kind of throw in like my own experience here. I'm honestly 99 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:15.639 thankful that my own taste in plants is like off center enough that I don't 100 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:20.800 really get swept up in very many competitive plant auctions, for example, for 101 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:27.040 like variegated things or something right seems stressful, maybe exciting. I mean, 102 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.360 you've told me some stories about your you know, dressina at the dinner table 103 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.759 when the auction is closing. Seldom has my adrenaline pumped that part. Okay, 104 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:39.199 Yeah, and I guess I don't judge again, anybody involved in that 105 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.800 on either end of that transaction, you know, within reason, I will 106 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.360 joke, Okay, I think it's outlandish. Yeah, And I you know, 107 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.000 didn't actually even think that I really participated in plant auctions in the sense 108 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.680 that was meant here until you pointed out, like, oh yeah, I 109 00:07:55.759 --> 00:08:01.160 remember that time because I do use eBay and Etsy. Etsy doesn't have options, 110 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.240 but eBay does. I never do the options that actual like plant companies 111 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.839 do independently. I think that that it's just beyond the price points that I'm 112 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:13.920 going to pay for something, and it's often for plants that I don't value 113 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.519 to that level. But every now and then, you know, I will 114 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.160 bid on a plant on eBay and I try to not pay more than I 115 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.399 have to, but sometimes it is something that I'm like, I definitely want 116 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:30.879 this because I understand how capitalism works and how prices work for consumer or luxury 117 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.399 goods, like it's demand and supply, and what people are willing to pay 118 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.919 is what is what you can charge for them. And in many ways plants 119 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.360 are luxury goods. We don't really need them. They are ornamental, they're 120 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:50.480 decorative. This is a status kind of hobby, like it's you know, 121 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:56.080 they're basically something that we do for fun, and it kind of demonstrates that 122 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.679 we have the time and money to waste on aesthetics and so on. So 123 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:05.159 if wholesaler is selling plant X for ten dollars, and then a retailer who 124 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:11.279 buys them turns around, divides those into four individual pots, and then sells 125 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.080 each of them for fifty dollars. To me, that's just exploitation of demand, 126 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.440 and it makes me uncomfortable because, like it is now making a plant 127 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.840 that you don't have to charge that much money for to make an actual profit, 128 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.200 and then put takes it out of the hands of somebody who really can 129 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.039 truly afford it. Okay, yeah, and I mean what I'm hearing, 130 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.600 you're kind of agreeing with everyone a little bit. Well, because right, 131 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:41.039 yeah, it's a luxury good. But also I don't want people, you 132 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.600 know, doing that buy and shop and prop Okay, you're just acknowledging all 133 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:48.960 of the feelings, which I support. I definitely shop for plants at places 134 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.480 that I know, like I am paying the value of this plant, not 135 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:58.600 for the demand of this plant. Like there are plants that I think if 136 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.440 you want to spend that much money, go for it. Absolutely, that's 137 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.840 your choice and your dollar. But to me, like that plant is not 138 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.320 worth this or you know, something like that. But I respect the whole 139 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.879 ecosystem. I'm a Gemini. I live in shades of gray. Like I 140 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.679 understand all sides of this. But with that said, I also think that 141 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:20.320 plenty of people treat themselves to like little luxuries from time to time that are 142 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.399 a form of self care. And this might be like a nice handbag of 143 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:30.240 vacation and nice car lubatons, you know, Like that's how I feel when 144 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:35.840 I occasionally caramel marbles. Okay, I mean, okay, I love that 145 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.879 plant. That plant is gorgeous. Yeah, but that is how I feel 146 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:46.000 when I do decide to occasionally drop three figures on a specific plant. I 147 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.919 very rarely do that, but when I do, I recognize, like, 148 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.159 this is what the market is demanding of this plant, and it is something 149 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.519 that I want. But the funny thing is that a lot of times, 150 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.799 after I have grown some of these plants for a little while, I realize 151 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:05.159 they really don't have to be this price. Like they are oftentimes fairly easy 152 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.519 to grow, fairly easy to propagate. The ones that I like the best 153 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:13.320 are good house plants. They're not like fussy things that need greenhouses or terrarius 154 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.519 to be successful. And let's just acknowledge, Matthew, this is your cycle 155 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.639 that you go through when you answer this question. Okay, it totally is, 156 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:24.120 yeah, Like, oh, you know what, everything's fair, and 157 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.639 I don't like when people chop it up. But you know what, sometimes 158 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.519 I'm going to treat myself in I just think that it's important to recognize this 159 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.399 is Matthew's self soothing routine. Okay, here we get to witness there's a 160 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.919 whole ecosystem here. Yeah, these are just all of my thoughts. What 161 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.080 I do have one of these plants though that I spent like more money than 162 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.720 I probably needed to on something that I definitely value and appreciate and I think 163 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.679 is a good house plant. I love to drop and propagate those two gift 164 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.240 them to my friends because then it's like, I know that you are going 165 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:58.519 to appreciate the hoy eclist topila or the Florida Ghost or the Clariner vum, 166 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:05.159 all of these plants that they're like fakeware, like diamond rare. I like 167 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.440 be able to share them with people when I know that they're going to appreciate 168 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.399 what it is and I don't want them to have to spend the money on 169 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.799 it now. Just like you, I do personally do as much of my 170 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.240 plant shopping as I can at local specialty shops, and then after that I'll 171 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.039 prioritize local owned nurseries, and then if I still can't get what I actually 172 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.480 am looking to buy, then I'll go support small business owners who aren't local 173 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.679 on like Etsy or eBay. And you know, while I can't afford to 174 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.399 sometimes pay a bit of the premium that comes with the quality that a lot 175 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.600 of these places sell, I also recognize that sometimes, like I was just 176 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.480 saying, there is no need for me to spend this much money on this 177 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:46.159 plant here because it's in mass production and I can buy it for a fraction 178 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.919 of that price at a box store and the quality is exactly the same because 179 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.399 it's from the same wholesaler. And so, to be honest, I'm very 180 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:58.320 glad to see recently consistently across all the places that I shop at that sell 181 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:03.120 plants from hardware stores, these like specialty plant boutiques that we love. Selection 182 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:07.120 is really amazing these days, and there are so many plants. Yeah, 183 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.960 it's getting more You're right, it's getting more and more accessible kind of at 184 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.600 more price points, more places, so that I think that's good. Yeah, 185 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.679 more plants are becoming more accessible to more people, and I think that's 186 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.720 perfect because this hobby shouldn't be gate capped based on access of status plants with 187 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.840 the supposed rarity of the plants that you're growing. Yeah, okay, Mike 188 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:28.720 Drop, I'll put up my soapbox. I'm done. Okay, you've said 189 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.000 all the things, okay, And the last thing I'll add, I guess 190 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.480 is that you said three figures on a plant. I still haven't done that. 191 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.000 I've spent eighty okay, for sure, like eighty dollars, but that's 192 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.840 I think. After that, I'm just like, oh, gosh, I'd 193 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.559 better know how to grow this perfectly, or i'd better love this one, 194 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.120 you know what I mean. Maybe I just haven't encountered anything like that. 195 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:58.360 Yeah, TikTok, Yeah, I wonder if it's ghosh. But I think 196 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.000 that the most expensive plant that I bought was like a small fruit tree that 197 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.960 didn't do well because it's a subtropical thing. It's a tree that's already different 198 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.840 to me. It's already kind of different, like you're probably competing against landscaping 199 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:11.440 people, you know, I mean. And it was also like one hundred 200 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.080 and fifty dollars. I think that's the most expensive plant that I've ever bought. 201 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.279 Like, okay, a hundred dollars is like the max of what all 202 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:24.080 spend. Yeah, well whatever that means. Okay, yeah, yeah, 203 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:28.200 all right, cutter losses. What's next? Yeah, So I've got a 204 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.600 question that is like specifically for you. I have like a very small thought 205 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.480 on this, but I'm pretty sure that you're already going to say what I 206 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.799 have in mind. Okay, how do you feel about growing succulents in tiny 207 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.000 pebble substrate as opposed to a succulent soil blend? Oh okay, yeah, 208 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:48.440 so we answered this one at the live show. This was an interesting one. 209 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.039 I will caution that I've done research here. I've tried this to a 210 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:56.360 degree, but I've never done all mineral or all tiny pebble. And just 211 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.480 for the sake of the question, I assume this means like all per light 212 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:05.120 or pummis versus like all decorative river rock or something. Just to clarify the 213 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.200 question. I mean, it might even be like small gravel like yeah, 214 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.559 yeah, they didn't define, right. So the most interesting thing I've learned 215 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.159 here is that growers often don't rinse their pummis or per light when they grow 216 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:22.960 this way, so they keep the fine particular that you can rinse off like 217 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.440 when you mix up other soils, typically including our succulent soil recipe that I 218 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.840 use and that we've shared on the show. So I'll just say that to 219 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.840 start off. But generally, I think this is a great way to grow 220 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.240 succulents that can handle intense drying, which is many of them, and for 221 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.919 people who can or like to water more often, which is many people. 222 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:46.240 All mineral soil like this will dry out quickly enough that plants will be fine 223 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.320 getting more water. That's a great way to do it if you want faster 224 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.759 growth too, as you'll be able to water more, fertilize more often without 225 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.720 the worry of root rod from water sitting against roots in substrate that won't dry. 226 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:03.120 Yeah, because they're perfectly happy to actually have consistent moisture if they have 227 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.039 the airiness that allows them to not stagnate, right yeah. Or I would 228 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.120 say consistent watering not really consistent moisture, right, like watering that rushes by 229 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.919 the roots that then dry. Yeah. But if you want to water your 230 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:19.159 plant regularly per light might not be bone dry between your watering cycles. Is 231 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.720 that kind of how they do that? I mean, yeah, depending on 232 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.840 conditions, right. So I think the idea is when you get that organic 233 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.440 matter in there, that's the part that retains the moisture, not really the 234 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.080 per light, right, So if you have all per light, well then 235 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.759 it's there's going to be a little bit left in there, but it's gonna 236 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.960 dry much more quickly because it won't like retain it the same way anyway. 237 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.960 So yeah, if you like what you're hearing, you know, should you 238 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:48.240 repot all of your succulents like tomorrow? I mean, I would just recommend 239 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.200 asking around looking for examples of accounts of people have tried this for the particular 240 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.720 species you have first, especially if it's one you want to be careful with. 241 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.879 I know some plants that are considered succulents that probably wouldn't like it for 242 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.960 much, like succulent Oxalis species that often need a bit more organic material in 243 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:08.599 the soil just to be happy and not stop and start a dormancy cycle every 244 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:15.440 week, which I have experienced, and the epiphytic cacti rip salasphym. Yeah, 245 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.599 and like, there are other variations of this approach too, of course, 246 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.240 Like I swear I only see people who do this with perlite online, 247 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:26.160 but I know a local grower who uses one hundred percent pomise only that to 248 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:27.759 me, it seems like very heavy, but it must work. I mean, 249 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.720 he has great plants. So you know, long story long, I 250 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.279 guess I'm saying, go for it. Proceed with some caution. Your mileage 251 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.720 may vary, but yeah, I mean it's totally valid. Okay, okay. 252 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.920 Is this something that you would try, Matthew. I feel like you're 253 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.759 somebody who always likes to add a little bit more organic material or a little 254 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.960 bit more sort of nutritious something in your recipes for soil. And that's largely 255 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.079 because I have so many plants that my watering routine just does not really allow 256 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.759 me to water things in the course this most gritty substrates. Often. I 257 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:06.039 know, like I noticed that a lot of my plants get fairly dehydrated if 258 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.880 I don't get a little bit more moisture retention into them. My default to 259 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:15.920 porous clay pots. I put a little bit more potting soil in these mixes 260 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.240 just because it works for me. So I think that that's what I would 261 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.480 answer. If you are someone who rots through succulents, if you are somebody 262 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.480 who wants to be watering them a lot, you're going the opposite direction that 263 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:30.480 I am, because like I am really light handed with my watering can when 264 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.079 it comes to plants that want to dry heavily. So like, if you're 265 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:38.240 heavy handed, go ahead and try this. I would probably prefer promise myself 266 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:42.319 because you say heavier, but I'm going to say it's not heavy and texture. 267 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.880 It's like physically heavier that's in per light. Yeah. Yeah, So 268 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.799 like if you have a huge pot that's going to be kind of rough, 269 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.440 you might want to use a little bit more per light in there, but 270 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.039 you know, go for it. I think that that might work well, 271 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.079 but you're definitely going to have to want to pay attention to your fertilizer schedule. 272 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:02.279 Now. I have grown some plants in pure rock before, but they 273 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:10.319 weren't like conventional colloquial succulents like cacti and echavari and those things. Instead, 274 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:15.240 it was an orchid. It was repickless lalia, and I didn't water it 275 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:19.599 enough in it's you know, lava rock. Okay, So it wasn't great, 276 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:25.160 But that is a lithophytic orchid that grows on rock faces. So yeah, 277 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:26.839 and you know, sometimes we're scarred by those experiences a little bit, 278 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.680 and then we kind of we can gravitate away. I mean I don't know. 279 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.599 Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Next up, we 280 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.480 have a very Matthew centric question, what's a good starter plant if you're looking 281 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:44.319 to get into flowering plants? I love this one because someone's not into flowering 282 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.599 plants like me, so I feel I mean, I didn't submit this, 283 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.640 but it could have. Yeah, I'm so glad that someone asked this because 284 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:55.440 I have so many answers. Honestly though, it just depends on what your 285 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:59.440 light options are and what you want from them, honestly, so I'm going 286 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.359 to do them by like, what are you trying to get out of your 287 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.880 flowering plant? So does that make sense? Okay, go away for me 288 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:08.839 to do this. I will help try to guide us through this, okay, 289 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.559 I mean, listeners know how this goes. Go for it. Okay. 290 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.720 Yeah. So let's say that you want dramatic flowering impact, like you 291 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:21.519 want flowers that are impressive in your home, elephant in the room orchids. 292 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.599 But that's obviously kind of a hard sell. They have some of the most 293 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.039 amazing flowers. But yeah, yeah, like it's been a surprisingly hard sell 294 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.119 for us, right since we started this, I think compared to what we 295 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.119 thought going in, Yeah, but yeah, there are some really honestly easy 296 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:41.440 ones. It's just a little bit different motion than the average house plant, 297 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:47.640 you know, but like, okay, valid anyway, if you're not an 298 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.240 orchid person, then you're just not interested in the them, it turns out. 299 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:57.680 So I think if you want something that's like equally tropical looking, it's 300 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:03.440 hard to beat a hibiscuits, right, Yeah, just with the caveat that 301 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.000 pests are a bit of an issue. They can need a lot of light 302 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:10.079 indoors, but otherwise easy okay. Yeah, Like I've had great success with 303 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.759 my indoor hibiscus, but I think that the one that I'm really going to 304 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:18.880 recommend because I believe in that the most are intheriums, like the flowering etheriums. 305 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:21.960 We grow a lot of them for their foliage because the foliage is great, 306 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.559 but they're not that much harder to grow than many other flowering plants. 307 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:33.079 I give mine a really chunky, well draining mix that I can keep pretty 308 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.920 wet without the roots rotting kind of the way that we're talking about, Like 309 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:40.359 you know, pumics helps that, so like a course aeroid mix helps his 310 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:45.000 intheriums and just give them strong light. I grow mine in east, west 311 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:49.960 or south windows and they bloom really reliably. Just look at for pests, 312 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:56.839 like with anything, and like their flowers last forever and they'll come periodically throughout 313 00:21:56.880 --> 00:21:59.680 the year. They're fantastic and come in lots of colors. Yeah, and 314 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.119 I think you know, this would get the non flower person flowering plant stamp 315 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.640 of approval. I think the only like slight cop yeah, is that the 316 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:11.640 flowers just aren't for everyone. They're kind of you know, they're yeah, 317 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.960 they're flowers, but like they're kind of weird. Yeah. Right, So 318 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.599 but if you like them, totally agree. Some people think that they look 319 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:21.519 like, you know, plastic, Yeah, yeah, but you know, 320 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.799 I'm just talking about like dramatic flower impact. But if you're looking for consistent 321 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.640 blooms, I don't think you need to look any further than the Jisnariads. 322 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.559 Zero disagreement there. Yeah, they're honestly far more popular in countries that are 323 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.920 not the United States from what I have noticed just on social media in general. 324 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.319 We've talked about the lipstick vine, which is the ash cananthus they're really 325 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:47.400 really great. Yeah, there are the Vietnamese violets that I've been growing that 326 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.039 I really enjoy, obviously the African violets. I think that these basically across 327 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.480 the board tends to be really reliable blooming plants. They come in tons of 328 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:03.559 different flavors like vines and bushy plants and crown forming rosettes. Like the flowers 329 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:08.599 are really diverse. The flowers come in so many colors, they're often in 330 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:14.599 very high number regularly throughout the year, and I think that we really deserve 331 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.640 to give ourselves the treat of revising in our collective minds that just nariads are 332 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.599 grandmother plants. Yeah, honestly, this would be my answer to this. 333 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.759 I'm just looking around my apartment where, you know, any regular listener would 334 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.720 know that there is no bloom boosting formulas happening here. Really, I'm not 335 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.359 really you know, I guess or Chi's aside trying to get anything to bloom. 336 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:41.079 Ever, I'm kind of just very like free range parent in that way. 337 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.119 And I think most of the just nariads I have currently are in flower. 338 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.160 It's like you cannot keep these down. There is you know, enough 339 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:55.039 variety that I think for like non traditional flower types of people. There's there's 340 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.240 interest there, right, there's some cool forms, find a color that you 341 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:03.319 like. There's interesting fully there too. Yeah, super underrated. That's one 342 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.200 of the bigger surprises from this season for me, just kind of how I 343 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.759 think of those now. Yeah, and I think that among the options, 344 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:14.279 something there will appeal to almost anyone. So yeah, yeah, Now, 345 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:19.599 if we're talking low light options, plants that don't need fairly high light pitches. 346 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:22.960 Areas don't. But you know, if we're talking something that's just easy 347 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.119 to stick somewhere and it to flour, I would just go with a basic 348 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:32.880 grocery storefalinopsis. If you can give them consistent amounts of water and at least 349 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.519 you know, decent light that something will grow. Any plant will grow there, 350 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.279 they'll probably do well. They might bloom sporadically and randomly, But same 351 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.839 story with peace lily. It's just trickier to get plants to perform well in 352 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.240 low light. But Phalonopsis and peace lilies, the spathophylum, yeah, those 353 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.599 are my preferred options. If you really want to get fancy, you can 354 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:57.079 try like the slipper orchids the pathio pedalum for similar light levels. Those are 355 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:00.960 what I do in my lowest light spots. I prefer at least like a 356 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.680 north or an east window. But that's that's a good choice. And then 357 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:08.559 something that I look for in my flowering plant selection though, is fragrance. 358 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.440 I know that this does not resonate with everyone, and I know that it 359 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:17.440 doesn't resonate with you, Steve. We like hearing about it, Okay, 360 00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:19.640 I'm still kind of like, how many times we talk about it? And 361 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.559 then this will peer on that list and I'm like, oh, right, 362 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.319 that's what we have. That's like a thing that people care about. I 363 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:29.240 mean, you've heard me say this a ton but Brossbela nidosa is a fantastic 364 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.960 orchid. You treat it like a succulent that just wants to be watered fairly 365 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.039 consistently, and it has an amazing nighttime perfume. I think that a lot 366 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:44.279 of its primary hybrids are also fantastic, and I honestly think that Little Star, 367 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:48.720 which is a cross between Nidosa and Brosibela cordata, I think I like 368 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.240 that fragrance the best of all these. I have a bunch of these plants 369 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.279 and it's hard to go wrong. Like they're great obviously, we have to 370 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:02.599 mention hoya's because I think that they are obviously known for their fragrance. That 371 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.920 is why I grow hoyas at all. Like that was my entry point into 372 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.960 this genus. Each time I hear it, I'm like what. I'm like, 373 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.400 oh wait, he's told me that before. It's just kind of like 374 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:18.759 not intuitive, Okay, I refuse to retain that. Yes, Yeah, 375 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:22.640 Now, one common frustration is like it can take a while to get these 376 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:27.200 to flower, and it can be frustrating to grow a plant just waiting for 377 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.599 the blooms when you really want that. Honestly, that's part of the fun, 378 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.759 that anticipation. It's like being teased by a plant. Yeah, And 379 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.000 honestly, I would say this is kind of valid because hey, if someone's 380 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.160 not a flower person, they might like appreciate the hoya foliage it kind of 381 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.000 the other stuff while they wait. So I think this is a valid entry 382 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.160 anyway. Yeah, Like, I think that there's a lot of value to 383 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.680 this suggestion that I came up with it in making. The varieties that have 384 00:26:52.759 --> 00:27:00.440 bloomed the fastest for me after I have acquired them include Hoya Pakaclata's fagrance is 385 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.960 a little mes it's kind of weak. It's like carnations, but it's it's 386 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.799 nice. And then Numularioides, which you thought was a bit strong. I 387 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.799 thought it was good. It is like a strong yeah, jasmine perfume, 388 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:17.160 it's a little powdery. Those two bloomed pretty quickly after I got them, 389 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.240 and then not far behind them in terms of the length of time it took 390 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:23.680 me to get them to flower. Or Hoya obvada, which is a very 391 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.519 strong growing species. It's fragrance is fine. It's not very strong, but 392 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.680 it's kind of spicy rose, like like a tea rose. And then Croniana. 393 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.000 I love the fragrance of Chroniana. It is outstanding. It is sweet, 394 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:42.079 it's strong, it's complex. It's kind of like narcissus or hyacinth. 395 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:47.960 It's not musky though. Another thing you've probably told me that I haven't retained 396 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.960 croniana. Okay, right, Oh well, it's fine. I don't expect 397 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.960 you to. It's why this is new for me, Okay, brand new. 398 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.039 It is apparently similar to Lacunosa, which I have also grown, but 399 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:06.039 I've not had Lakunosa flower. I also think that Hoya matilda bloomed about at 400 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.880 the same rate. That's a cross between serpents and carnosa. I believe the 401 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:14.319 fragrance was okay. It was kind of like hyacinth, but also like, 402 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.720 I don't know, musty, like, hey, there was something off about 403 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.319 it. It was fine. I'm sure that some people would like it must 404 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.319 yeah, like it wasn't the best. I like some like musky, but 405 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:30.240 not musty. Okay. I was like, uh yeah, no, Matilda 406 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:34.039 has a musty. So open minded. Yeah, I know. So hoyas 407 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:40.599 that took a little longer like years for me. Where Verta Salada it's good, 408 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.440 it's citrusy, it's fine. And then in Crisada, which is the 409 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.640 most recent toya for me to bloom, that was an outstanding fragrance. It 410 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.880 was like lemongrass and ginger. It was fairly strong. So those are all 411 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:59.440 ones that I like, okay, But so those are the hoyas that I 412 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.880 particularly like the fragrance of you though, have had two that I had given 413 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.799 you cuttings of bloom before I have had them bloom. So that would be 414 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.519 Puba Kaylix and also Macrophilla. Do you have anything to share about what those 415 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:17.079 smelled like? To you? Oh? Yeah, so Puba kaylics. I 416 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:22.119 thought was kind of like a toned down version of Numularioides, so kind of 417 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.759 that Jasmini one that I thought was pretty strong, Okay, but yeah, 418 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:29.799 Pubakalics was. It smelled good like and you could kind of smell it if 419 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.720 you were within a couple feet of the plant. The other one, Macrophila. 420 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.680 That one had a pretty interesting sort of vanilla ish like, sort of 421 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.599 subtle, spicy, kind of candily smell. That really surprised me, And 422 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.960 honestly, I thought like it was going to bloom and the flowers that was 423 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.559 going to fall off because it's it was like planted recently. It was in 424 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.279 a weird situation in this window. I wasn't sure how it was going. 425 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.079 But yeah, that one was remarkable. That did give me a little bit 426 00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:00.960 more interested, I will grudgingly admit in Hoya floral sense and other ones you 427 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.160 mentioned in Crisoda, because I've heard of these sort of lemon grass you smells. 428 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.119 I'm just kind of curious to smell it. I hear that what is 429 00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:12.759 it linearis has like a citrus kind of smell, and I'm curious for that 430 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.839 one. It will, you know, if and when I can never get 431 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.599 it to bloom anyway. Well, I'll have to give you a cutting of 432 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.720 chrysada so that you can see if you can get yours to flowers sooner. 433 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:27.359 Then it took me. I definitely was getting lemon grass instead of general citrus. 434 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.400 Like there's some that smells lemonade. This was like the lemon grass fragrance. 435 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.480 It was really nice. Okay, I am. They're just surprised that 436 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.319 Macrophila had a good fragrance. I never expected that that plant would be one 437 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.160 because I've never seen it mentioned in that way. I'm curious to see what 438 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.640 mine smells like. Yeah, maybe we have like a special version, okay, 439 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.759 a special cultivar. Probably not. Maybe, sure, at least we 440 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.799 have clones of the exact same one. Okay, yeah, okay. Then 441 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.599 the very last regomendation that I'm going to make for fragrance and indeed flowering plants 442 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.920 at all. This is a hilarious choice, I think, because if you've 443 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.559 ever seen this plant, you know that the flowers are absolutely nothing to look 444 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:11.400 at. It's called the Chinese perfume plant often in cultivation, but it's Aglia 445 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.559 odorata and it's actually a plant in the mahogany family. Of all things. 446 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.079 I don't think we've ever talked about a mahogany family plant. And the flowers 447 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.799 are little yellow balls, like they're very very small. They're smaller than the 448 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:27.880 head of a pin, and they don't open their petals, so they kind 449 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.000 of give me like a Stefania erecta flower vibes a little bit, is that? 450 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.480 Yeah, close kind of a bit. It's it's sort of like the 451 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.000 tiniest clusters of grapes, like clusters of the tiny scrapes, like tons of 452 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:48.200 these very small yellow balls. The flowers are so bland there is nothing worth 453 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.599 looking at them about. And the plant itself kind of looks like a boxwood. 454 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.680 It has small, glossy kind of pinate leaves, I think, but 455 00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:00.400 the fragrance that it puts out is so much like it is such a fragrant 456 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.240 plant. And I got one last fall, and it's been growing in my 457 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.319 office and it blooms fairly consistently for me, and it gets quite large, 458 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.519 like pretty quickly, like it's at least three times the size, and every 459 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.839 time that it flowers there are more of these pathetic sab little buds on them. 460 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.640 But it just makes my office smells so clean and fresh. It's a 461 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.519 little citrusy, it's a little sweet, but it's not cloying. Like I 462 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:30.720 think that this is a scent that most people would like. It is really 463 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:35.279 appealing and outstanding, and it's not super heavy. It's just pleasant. Okay. 464 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.480 So yeah, Chinese perfume planned. That's you know, that's plenty for 465 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:45.440 people to chew on there. Absolutely. I will just say you've mentioned a 466 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.200 lot of flowering options here for many of us, including plant people. You 467 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.039 know, you just get a diffuser, Matthew. Okay, so I will 468 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:57.680 include a link to my favorite diffuser for anyone who doesn't want to do this. 469 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.720 That is not meant to sound as terrible as I kind of think it 470 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.880 just sounded. But hey, you know we're here getting people options. I 471 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.640 do have one of those little like ultrasonic humidity missed things for you know, 472 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:14.920 all of the essential oils like, yeah, eucalyptus and lemon, grass and 473 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.480 peppermint and lavender. Yeah, it's fine. That was such a nice response, 474 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.160 Matthew. Thank you. Okay, I can tell you you've endured me 475 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:27.720 so long you can roll with it now. It's okay. It's like, 476 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.720 if you want the scent of cedar. You could use a cedar essential oil, 477 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:32.960 like the woodsy scents are hard to get in your housewind that's what I 478 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.160 have. Yeah, that's what I have. Yeah, yeah, no, 479 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:37.920 I get it. I also love the scent of juniper, but you know, 480 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.480 I'm not going to grow juniper indoors totally. Okay, So some of 481 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.519 these that you mentioned, they were a bit demanding, Some are not very 482 00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:52.039 easy to find, some require space. What about these super super available ones 483 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.000 like I will mention one that you've told me you don't really like. What 484 00:33:55.079 --> 00:34:00.000 about like flowering caln cooies that you see at a flora shop or something. 485 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.160 What about the other ones that you pass like at the grocery store, you 486 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.840 know, phalinopsis orchids. Aside, there are some like big colorful flowering plants 487 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:15.880 like that. Yeah, and oftentimes these plants include like little miniature potted roses 488 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:24.800 or cyclements or you know azaleas, gabara daisies these florists callan cooey. The 489 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.719 thing that I think kind of makes all of these this united group is that 490 00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.960 they are really not going to thrive as house plants. Like a lot of 491 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:39.800 these are just expected to live long enough for the blooms to be enjoyed, 492 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.760 and then they're just gonna go gradually downhill. A lot of these might want 493 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:49.440 specific temperatures that you can't provide indoors, like cyclemen. They might want pretty 494 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.440 good levels of light that you can't give them indoors, like roses. They 495 00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:58.880 might actually be plants that don't live long, like gabara daisies. Like, 496 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.679 there's a lot of things that I think you can buy as a potted flowering 497 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:08.320 plant that is just intended to replace a bouquet, and so there are some 498 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:13.159 really good choices among these. I would say that the Phalonopsis kind of fit 499 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:16.800 into this because you can grow those well for quite a while, Like most 500 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:22.000 orchids are going to fall into this category. But I think that of these 501 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:27.519 plants that I've suggested, the florist therium is probably the most approachable that you're 502 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.599 going to find in that group. I think that you're just going to be 503 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.119 disappointed by a lot of the other ones. So like orchids and enttheriums are 504 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.920 kind of the ones that I would stick to if you want to do like 505 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.920 the florist plants. All right. That said, the ones that I have 506 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.960 just suggested that are less commonly seen as these. They are all plants that 507 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.280 I have grown successfully indoors without very much trouble, and they performed well from 508 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:57.800 a long term as a house plant. Like I'm not making suggestions that I 509 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.199 think are going to be, you know, a throw way option, and 510 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.679 I think that they have a peal beyond just their flowers, so that you 511 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.079 can enjoy growing something even if it might take a year or two to see 512 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:12.159 blooms again, even though that's not you know, ideal. However, you 513 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.880 did make me think about one super easy plant that you do find in miler 514 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.960 that I haven't mentioned. Okay, crown of Thorns. We did a whole 515 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.199 episode about those. It is so worth mentioning because they are easy to find, 516 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.639 they're fairly inexpensive, they're undemanding, they come in a lot of different 517 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.239 flower colors, and there's different sizes of the flowers. I have three of 518 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:35.800 these and they just live in a south window where I mostly ignore them. 519 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.480 And between these plants, one of them is always in bloom every day of 520 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.880 the year, and the other two are getting to a point where there are 521 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.519 fewer and fewer days a year that they don't have flowers. On them. 522 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.760 I think they're amazing. So if you do find one of those, that's 523 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.519 a really good option, and just give it really strong light and don't water 524 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.079 it too much. All Right, I think we've talked about every possible option 525 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:05.079 for flower plants. We didn't talk about plume aria. Okay, Yeah, 526 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.199 we left out a couple species, but that should give people plenty to chew 527 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:15.800 over. Okay, now some final quick questions looking back, what are your 528 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:21.159 personal highlights from this season roughly the last year of podcasts. Okay, so, 529 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.639 first favorite thing you learned? Honestly, everything that I learned about will 530 00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:28.199 Witchie was amazing. I have known about that plant, I have been aware 531 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:34.519 of it, but it really gave me an opportunity to dig into something that 532 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.599 I wouldn't have normally, Like, I wouldn't have just sat down to research 533 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:42.880 that plant on my own under normal circumstances. So it was really cool to 534 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.400 take the time to do that, and I was so fascinated by it. 535 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.800 It was really cool just kind of reading about cone plants being seed bearers that 536 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.760 aren't flowering plants, and you're gonna laugh at me. I think I might 537 00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.760 get one at some point. It was even a varrigated one like me from 538 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.079 the very beginning of our show would be astonished that I'm saying like I might 539 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.199 get a well witch yet and the verrigated one is cool, all right, 540 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:14.840 we've worn each other down. That sounded worse than I meant it. I 541 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.800 was just like, oh, no, we have we have well. I'm 542 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.519 doing fragrance now a little bit, and you're doing well witch. Yea god, 543 00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.559 Okay, you're like just Mary, hats are fabulous. I did say 544 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.039 that, who are we? Okay? Anyway? For me, I think 545 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.679 it was from our Crowton episode, that interview with Mark Peters. Just the 546 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.159 concept of keeping some plants alive indoors for five years, like that is an 547 00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.840 accomplishment that we should feel proud of. Yeah, I mean it sounds so 548 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:46.880 simple, but I just tend to think of house plant care is like they 549 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.639 should live forever and if they fail once, you should feel bad. And 550 00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.840 I mean it wasn't that literal, but that was sort of like lurking unconsciously 551 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.800 people to not feel that way. I know, but I mean it's different. 552 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.400 Okay, do as I say, all right, as I do? 553 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.360 Right right? Yeah? Okay, next question, favorite topic we covered honestly 554 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.760 it's all the way I coverage that we did. I mentioned that this is 555 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.920 a group of plants that I just did not care about a decade ago, 556 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:19.760 and it has become the most exciting thing, the most exciting new thing in 557 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.719 my plant hobby over the last to five years. So we did it a 558 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:29.039 few times deliberately, a few times really tangentially, and we talked about specific 559 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.480 species as well as just the genus in kind of like an abstract way. 560 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.559 I love it. I love those plants, and I think it's really fun 561 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.880 to indulge that. Okay, good choice also gave us an excuse to get 562 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:47.559 new ones, right right. Everything we do here, okay enables us yep, 563 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.719 all right. For me, I would say, it's you know, 564 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.960 it was well Wichia too. I guess this is my favorite topic. You 565 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.920 know, it's a favorite thing you learned. I mean, Shade's a gray 566 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.400 Maybe. I think because we were both into Wellwichi in such different ways, 567 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.559 that was kind of interesting, like we weren't necessarily aware of the fact until 568 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.639 the episode kind of came together and we sat down and talked about it. 569 00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:15.239 Yeah, so that was cool, just how that went. Yeah, Okay, 570 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.760 the episode you're most proud of or think had the biggest impact. Okay, 571 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.280 I think that. Actually we had two episodes that I think are honestly 572 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.480 some of the almost year we go. I'm saying too because I think that 573 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.440 they go well together. It's probably some of the most useful information that we 574 00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.199 generated about the whys behind some of the things that we recommend, some of 575 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:45.760 the choices that we make. And these were the Hoya Potting Mix episode one 576 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:52.440 twenty eight and how to Choose Pots one thirteen, because it's like learning a 577 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:58.159 technique that's broadly applicable to a lot of different things instead of like one specific 578 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:01.079 isolated recipe that you then don't know I would applies elsewhere. Like, I 579 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.400 think that those were really useful episodes that I think people can learn a lot 580 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:09.599 from in our catalog. Okay, yeah, those are good choices. I 581 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:13.880 kind of enjoyed those ones too, actually, thinking back, like I sort 582 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.039 of forget do during the year a little bit, right or what we do? 583 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.159 So yeah, yeah, we did have to look at our episode catalog 584 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.239 to be like, what happened this year? Yeah, very much before this 585 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.320 what about you? Though? For me, I think it was the Pigmy 586 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.239 sund episode of all things, Like, I am not fooling myself thinking that 587 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:36.159 had some massive impact. But I just think for Pigmy Sun Dues, I 588 00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.679 wonder if they ever got an episode of anything anywhere, you know what I 589 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:45.079 mean. Maybe it was Pigmy Sundus first like feature and a podcast. I 590 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.599 don't know. I'd be surprised if in Defensive Plants hadn't. I think they 591 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:52.760 haven't, which I mean, I'll check in it probably wrong, but I 592 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.760 feel like I may have at least alerted some people to their existence, so 593 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.559 that one. I just like that we kind of featured it. I like 594 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.599 that we hopefully demystified it for some of the people who were probably already interested 595 00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.039 in anyway you know how it goes. But yeah, yeah, I like 596 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.920 that one. Okay, cool, and I still need to give them another 597 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.400 try. But I actually have the conditions and the materials to pop them up. 598 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.480 So whenever you have GEMI again, let me know, give me a 599 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.960 little bag of them. All right, Okay, So Stephen, I'm doing 600 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.000 this as a special treat to you because we haven't done one of these in 601 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.480 a while and you were so into them. We're gonna do a throwback lightning 602 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:34.440 round the thing to end this. Oh it's so sweet. I kind of 603 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.400 forgot about these. Yeah, and you're probably like, good, Really I 604 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.559 really had a phase there. Yeah, I know you did. Okay, 605 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:45.400 So what was your favorite just general podcast moment for this last year. M 606 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.199 okay, I'm gonna mention the Croton episode again. I think it's when my 607 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.480 mind changed about Croton's Like I don't have a bunch now, but I feel 608 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.599 like I finally get them, like they're misunderstood. How about you? You 609 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.480 know, I was gonna say that interview because again I went in like I 610 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.639 hate growing, They're the worst house plants, and Mark Peters really made me 611 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.480 think, like I do respect these though these are cool. Yeah, I 612 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.840 still don't have any, but whatever. What I'm going to say though, 613 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.159 was that time that Maria really blew your mind. I think it was the 614 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.199 first episode that we did of twenty twenty two back in January where you were 615 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.360 just like, wow, I'm thinking about mindfulness, Like, yeah, you 616 00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.280 were so shock. It was so cute. I kind of was like I 617 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.239 just went into it and then I was like, wait, where am I 618 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.599 in this like you know question outline that we had. Yeah, it was 619 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.320 good. Okay, What is the worst plant that you grew this year? 620 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.320 Podcast related it can beat any plant that you grew. What is the worst 621 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.679 plant that was in your home this year? I hate to dump on it 622 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.280 again, mandarin plant. Sorry, okay, it's I'm gonna rehome it soon. 623 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.320 Yeah, rehome it to the compost team. No, no, no 624 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.519 to them. Okay, how about you. It's a tie between either the 625 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.599 heart leaf fern or the digit fern, or maybe the beefsteak bagonia. These 626 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.280 plants hate me, and I am not far behind on that feeling towards that 627 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:13.519 he Alright, okay, what is the best plant that you grew this year? 628 00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:22.920 Gosh, just headed out all the hesitation. Okay, yeah, this 629 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:29.760 lightning is oh not awake. I'm going to really surprise you, Matthew, 630 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.239 and maybe with this answer. Okay, I think it's gonna be Hoya imbricada. 631 00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:36.079 Oh my god. Okay, I have not talked about it. It 632 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:40.320 is sitting in like this little sort of prop box esque chamber, and I 633 00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.880 should have found a situation for it so long ago, but it keeps growing 634 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:47.119 and kind of giving me chances. I'm going to move it soon. I'm 635 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.480 so impressed by kind of how delicate and hardy this is. That makes no 636 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.519 sense anyway. I'm I'm going to repot this soon and I kind of can't 637 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:58.840 wait. It's like, I'm really excited about it right now, can't wait 638 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:00.920 to kind of see what it does in this new like wow, big glassware 639 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:05.159 that I got for it. Okay, how about you, I'd say, 640 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.079 Hoya croniana because that makes sense. You have been talking about that so much. 641 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.360 It grew so much, and now it has flowered a couple of times 642 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.440 on a lot of peduncles. I put very little effort in. I feel 643 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.519 like it's not in very good light. It's just kind of on a bookshelf 644 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:24.440 with a lamp focused at it. And the fragrance is amazing. That plant 645 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.039 is stunning. I love it. I now have another one because I was 646 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.679 like, this is a more silvery colored leaf, So we'll see how this 647 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.960 one does. Cool. But yeah, now, what about a plant that 648 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.199 we specifically gave an episode two that you recommend the least. Okay, listen, 649 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:43.159 you know what people have to have moonshots. I'm glad it worked for 650 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:49.880 you. Indoor pineapple. I mean, come on, that was a success 651 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.039 for me. It's a beautiful story. Okay, but like, really, 652 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:57.039 it's not really a houseplant. It's like home agriculture. Yea, and my 653 00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.679 niece loved it. It was one of the first solid foods. Cheek gums, 654 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:07.039 how about you. Honestly, I hate to just continue shitting on croton, 655 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.679 but like, they're not houseplants. Patrick kind of is, but like, 656 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:12.360 good luck with that. I hope you like Mikes. However, paper 657 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.039 whites. I think that I have this very nostalgic, kind of romanticized notion 658 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:21.400 of what a paper white is, and this year made me recognize I am 659 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.559 really overrating these plants and they are not doing the thing that I think that 660 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:29.480 they do. Yeah, that's valid. Both of those are valid. Yeah. 661 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:34.119 Now, on the flip side, what is the most underrated plant in 662 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.039 your mind that we covered this year? Lipstick plants? Like I had those 663 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.840 behind the couch for a long time. Okay, if you listen to previous 664 00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:45.000 seasons, I just put them in normal places. They perform so well that 665 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:46.119 they just kind of won me over. I mean, if you find one 666 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.679 you like, do it. How about you? Oh, I was going 667 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.760 to say lipstick plant too. I think that they are outstanding and I love 668 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:54.840 mine. But since you already took that answer. I'm going to say asparagus 669 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:59.039 fern. I know I have like five different varieties when I had zero of 670 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.960 them. Wow, I had one of them when we do that episode. 671 00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.519 I love them. They are surprisingly great. Okay, okay, is there 672 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:12.400 anything that you just take back from this year's catalog or thoughts that you had 673 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.880 anything at all? I mean, I'm gonna be bold, not really, 674 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:19.760 I mean depending on what your answer is, and maybe I'll like jump on 675 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.079 it or think of something. But you believe in everything that we did, 676 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.559 yeah, I mean to the extent of the claims that we made, you 677 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.599 know, And I'm usually pretty careful and like, well, you know, 678 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.800 maybe if maybe that's why Yeah bought you that is true. You always make 679 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:37.119 me like couch my answers so that there's like room for interpretation. If I'm 680 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.480 suddenly like I'm being too definitive, Yeah, I would just take back the 681 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.880 paper white episode. I don't think paper whites or houseplants. I just we 682 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.079 didn't need to do that. I think that we had an idea in or 683 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.440 a head of what that episode would be that yeah, yeah, So I 684 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.440 guess that leads me to my final one. Do you wish that we'd done 685 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:58.639 a specific episode differently, I'm gonna piggyback right on that paper, Whites. 686 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.480 I mean, I don't I don't know if I fully take it back. 687 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.000 I think our intentions were good. We kind of half prepared for it, 688 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:07.440 thinking like, oh, you know, you just put it in here with 689 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.960 any old ones and it'll work. And we didn't have like the experiences to 690 00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:14.920 share that I hoped we would. Okay, I am going to say that 691 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.039 I deliberately made sure that we had the common experience. Okay, that's valid. 692 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.559 Like we approached that the way that you might just approach that if you 693 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.480 were on a whim. I didn't buy the best quality bulbs, but I 694 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.880 buy bulbs the people buy. Like, we didn't try to shoot ourselves in 695 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:32.960 the foot. Yeah, that said too. I kind of had fun with 696 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.719 the bulbs forcing honestly, so I might do it again, how about you? 697 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.760 You know, honestly our holiday plant swap that was kind of a kind 698 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.800 of a flop, Like we both had the plants that we ought for each 699 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.440 other, and I wish that I had really put the time in, Like 700 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:54.800 there's actually some plants that I know about now that I don't know if you 701 00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.360 know about that. I can't find them for sale in the United State dates, 702 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:01.880 And if I was really going to prepare for that, I would have 703 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:07.239 gone far more esoteric and ordered something from Thailand. Like there are several plants 704 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:13.320 right now that I keep looking for because they are so weird. I went 705 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.840 down to Pinterest rabbit hole. So anyway, but I think that the episode 706 00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:20.960 that I would want to do differently, or at least research differently, were 707 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.440 lipstick plants, because the huge lament that I had was like, why is 708 00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:28.960 the information available online about these so poor? I feel like we had so 709 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.280 many questions and I was so frustrated with how little I could find that was 710 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:37.800 good information. I found all of that good information later, like the week 711 00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.760 that that episode was published. I found all the answers to all of my 712 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:45.599 questions, but they were on like websites that don't come up in search results 713 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.760 very well, like you have to really find them. So it's a failing 714 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.039 of Google, it's a failing of my research. It's a failing of search 715 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:58.199 engine optimization. But like that episode could have been different because I could have 716 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.079 been like, here are the answers instead of why are their questions. You 717 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:06.000 know what I mean? Valid? Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, 718 00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:08.639 Well that little lightning round was fun. Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad 719 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:13.920 that we had that. Okay. In this week's after show, we discuss 720 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.679 what we're looking forward to most over our summertime off, plant related and otherwise. 721 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.239 All right, So if extra banter like this sounds appealing, just edward 722 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.559 to patreon dot com slash plant Dabty Podcast and check out our official patron level 723 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.440 to hear the after show. All right, anything else, No, I 724 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.119 think that's it, But we just really want to thank all of you for 725 00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.360 listening and supporting Plant Duty Podcast as we wrap up season three here. This 726 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.119 has been a really fun journey for us, and we wouldn't be doing it 727 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.000 this long if it weren't for just this amazing online community that has made it 728 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:51.320 worthwhile and fun and rewarding. Thank you. Yes, I second that we're 729 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.519 going to take a slightly longer hiatus than usual, you know usual, being 730 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.920 like it's only happened twice, I guess, but it's like two weeks in 731 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.320 the past. Yeah. Yeah, we will be back in August. For 732 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.880 those of you who support us on Patreon, we've paused July pledges, and 733 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.239 we may do that for August two if we don't have a bonus to release 734 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:13.159 or start up again early enough in the month. Thanks again for your support. 735 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.159 Yep okay, this has been plant Eddie Podcast. Thanks for listening. 736 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.199 Don't forget to like and subscribe, Tell your friends about us, and if 737 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.599 you enjoy what you've heard, please give us a five star rating that I'll 738 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.679 help us find us. 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