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Make words go now, I'll tell
me a good idea. Yeah, Nick,

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the logical kiro Hus can't except that
here we are, it's mid June,

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and this is glock culture. I'm
John Podhorn's in New York. Elsewhere

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in New York, Rob Long,
Hi, Rob Hi John? How are

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you? I am well? And
off in the wilds of Houston, Texas.

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Jonah Goldberg, Hi, Jonah John, how are you? I am?

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I am well. I am sitting
here on the verge of apparently not

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seeing Donald Trump frog marched into into
the courtroom because in Miami, because there

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will be no video of him in
the courtroom, on the way of the

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courtroom, being handcoffed, being mugshott
at, being fingerprinted right, or anything

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like that, which I suppose is
all to the good. But I am

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very much looking forward to tonight when
Trump will appear and give a speech about

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the torn really looking forward to it. Here's why I'm looking forward to it.

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I'm looking forward to seeing whether this
dsiast can somehow himself can manipulate it,

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can manipulate his fans through the oh
Man, through the manipulation of whatever.

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This is one of those you know
what this is, This is exactly.

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This is one of those um uh
streaming service shows that has like ninety

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seven episodes, and I watched two
of them and I'm done. I mean,

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I get it, I get it, I get the whole thing,

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I get all the ability. No, actually no. Episode seventeen is very

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interesting because they take it diversion and
one characters as a dream. Like I'm

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done, I'm so, I don't
want to. I just I'm just as

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pure theater. I'm bored, and
I'm bored. I'm bored of like worrying

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about it, and I'm bored of
thinking about when you I just don't.

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I just am not. I know, I know exactly where it's part of

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my first of all Bravo and eclesiast
Bravo, don't encourage it one point on

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the board. H m. No, It's like, you know, I

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got kind of tired of Tony Blair
after a while. But like when you

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listen to Tony Blair, when you
listen to actual good orators, you know,

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or rhetoricicians, you're like, oh, I like what he did there,

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Oh oh that's interesting, or you
know, it can sustain you.

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But there is Trump's gonna literally say
nothing new that is clever or interesting,

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except I mean except if you define
interesting, is something dumber or more abbornt

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or you know, it's but it's
otherwise it's the same sort of It was

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a perfect phone call. It was
you know the Joe boxes, you know

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box Oaks, box Oaks. It's
just it's exhausting. Okay, here's where

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here's where are you guys. You
guys are total analogs to the people who

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are gonna win Trump the nomination.
Here's here's why you're saying. I've heard

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it all before, and so are
they. So what they're saying is they're

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just all they do is coming after
him, and they're coming after him.

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So there's guy in Manhattan's coming after
them. This guy Jack Smith is coming

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out. What about Hillary? What
about Biden? What about Hunter? What

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about the boxes? What about the
garage? Kevin McCarthy, the House speaker,

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said, at least the bathroom has
a lock on it, but Biden's

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garage the door goes up and down
all the time. UM, garage stores

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have locks on them. That this
morning on CNN too, he was like,

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yeah, there's there's thirty seven bathrooms
at Marlago and bathrooms locks. I

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don't tell me like this wasn't a
you know, adn't pick the lock of

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a bathroom from the inside. No
one locks a bathroom from the outside anyway.

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I can also pick a lot.
I've had to pick my own bathroom

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lock when something happened. You know, it's like, thanks very much,

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But garage garages are locked when they're
down. You need a special But they're

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nicer bathrooms too, like that,
Oh, that's like the worst one.

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I mean, they definition should be
like, well, we don't even use

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it as a bathroom. It's like, obviously, look at it. The

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chower curtain. Come on, expst
to be a high level bathroom has a

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chandelier in it. Well, here's
what I thought was. So they all

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have chandeliers in them, all thirty
seven bathrooms, I think, And I

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understand what all you're saying, just
that I'm so bored of it. And

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I'm at this point I'm like,
just let him run, Just give him

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the nominations and get the nomination.
Let's gonna be president. I don't care.

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I really don't care. It's the
president anyway. Anyway, I don't

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I politans boring. I want to
talk about the shower curtain, okay,

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And I also want to talk about
and how like low rented is. It's

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such a weird, trumpy thing,
which is like the chandelier that's kind of

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cheap. It's like broke Liberacci.
That's how I would that's the the aesthetic.

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And then there's the toilet. You
know, anybody else starts the toilet,

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please please please please dilate upon the
toilet. Well, so don't we

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that was what she said. It's
uh, it's super low. Mm hmm.

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It's super low. Ye. It's
like it's like a kid, like

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a like like No, I think
it's like I don't think so. I

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think it's just because there are there
you it I'm low. Now for some

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people, the kind of people who
may spend to not eat enough of not

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go to the salad bar enough at
mar Laga and you kind of had to

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be in a squat. I think
that's what that is. Well deficatory expediter.

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Can we just say that Rob that
by the way, that was my

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stage name for twenty five years.
I think that Rob is uniquely well positioned

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to discuss this matter because as fans
of Rob No he loves actually imported a

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fancy toilet from somewhere, from from
somewhere, installed it in his house from

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Japan. I love Japanese toilet Japan. Yeah. Well, and so so

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you have every right to your snobbery
about Trump's I think it's Emperor Herohito.

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It's Emperor Herahito had said after Pearl
Harbor, and you know we'll take over.

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I will be the Emperor of United
States, and you will be my

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subjects. That I will be your
living emperor God. But you'll also each

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one of you we'll get I'm not
trying to do the accent, but I'm

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kind of just you're trying to evoke
a kind of aid. Each one of

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you will get a total washlet toilet. I'd be worth it because be like,

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Okay, that's it's over. They
win. Yeah, and the exactly

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right. Okay, so he's got
a chandelier and a very low toilet,

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which means presumably that you know the
shadow. You're actually sitting there on the

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toilet, looking and looking at your
shadow. Well, you're not like you're

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trying, You're right down. You're
looking at documents laying out Iran's nuclear program.

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Exactly right. There's always something to
read in that toilet right, listen,

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you know, I mean I often
do wordle you know, yeah,

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I hear you on the can So
if I need to know, you know,

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the bunker is you know as it
were? Uh, all right,

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there's no part where you just can't
say and so to speaker as it were

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here or that's what she said,
that every sentence could just end with that

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as a matter. Yeah, did
we already talk about this? Forget it?

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We go ahead with your phone?
What wordle? Yeah? I shouldn't

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be doing wordle on my phone in
the bathroom. Well I know, look

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you're in there reading Simonon in French
in the bathroom, understand, So I

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see where our levels are are are
you know just a phone? The phone

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is I think Rob is making a
hygiene point. The phone is not the

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phone? Really? How do you
do that with a with a hammer,

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as we know from Millar, with
like a claw? So I are do

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we now have to say, just
as a matter of course in our pursuit

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of honest discussion about Trump and the
indictment, that yes, Hillary also should

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have been charged? Is that now
the necessary we now have to say that,

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right, Hillary should have been charged. I think you should need to

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say it in front of people who
say, what about Hillary, right,

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and then you know, hopefully you
move on to the locking mechanisms on bathrooms.

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But like Hillary Clinton lost the presidential
election in twenty sixteen largely as a

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result of her behavior. People can
say it's Coomy's fault whatever her behavior,

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right with those emails, in relation
to how seriously she took, the security

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breach that she was at, the
reopening of the case and all of that.

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She lost a presidential election, was
humiliated using to the worst candidate and

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the most in you know, the
most unqualified and morally unjustified candidate in the

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history of the presidency. And people
are still saying she should have been locked

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up. She went through a public
death, like I'm sorry, like I

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know as she suffered to be in
jail, but her leave her to heaven,

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like that's what happened to her was
pretty pretty bad, yep. And

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she summoned upon herself and it happened, and Coomy misbehaved in every possible way

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and should be you know, driven
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think in some novelistic sense, you
have to sort of reckon with the fact

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that she has to wake up every
morning and and drive from her mind the

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fact that she had this private email
server, that somebody suggested that she did

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what she did with it, that
she said what with a cloth, that

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she had that press conference, and
that she employed beddon uh and all of

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those things, and she get away
from that, and for the rest I

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thought it was a abideen whatever rather
than um um wade back and get rather

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than to strap into the way back
machine on this, I think like we

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can settle a lot of this by
just pointing out Hillary's political instincts are so

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bad and so self serving and so
self indulgent that amidst this indictment crap,

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she tweeted out a tweet about her
but her emails swag right, Like she

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took a moment to gloat about her
email scandal, and like either she doesn't

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care that that is going to force
lots of Republicans psychologically like to to rally

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around Trump, or it's going to
invite all sorts of new rounds of scorn

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that she presumably doesn't want, all
because she thinks her fan service is more

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important than an out. I mean, like of all the people to sit

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out a few plays during all of
this. Hillary Clinton is at the top

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of the list. Who what you
say is so true that goes beyond any

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there's no capacity even to respond,
Like I can't imagine the one reason that

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Merrick Garland, the Attorney General,
would have had to say to Jack Smith,

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I'm sorry, we cannot bring this
indictment. You got this tape.

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It's unbelievable, he says, I
did it. You know you've got this.

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You gottah, you gotta. We
have his lawyer saying you should destroy

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You know, why don't you go
back to your hotel room and destroy the

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documents? You got all this stuff. But you know, Jim Comey,

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he established this president where she's running
for president, and you know he could

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have charged her, but he didn't. And I can't do this to the

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political system. And yeah, she
should shut her mouth because like they they

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took, they they went, they
went at Trump, which is what she

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presumably would want. Why doesn't she
just make it as easy as possible for

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Trump to maybe become president despite this
indictment, right by involving herself in this,

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as opposed to staying totally silent,
Like why does she want to give

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ammunition to people who are making the
one argument that Trump has in in his

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favor, which is that he is
being selectively prosecuted and that the other case

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in which this happened to a Democratic
candidate for president, the person was not

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prosecuted, and he is being prosecuted. Why would she do that for the

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same reason that she lost the election? Because she's she's a ten eared moron

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and I'm sick. I don't care. She can, she can give the

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graduation speech at Wellesley from now until
the cows come home. She has no

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emotional intelligence, she has no ability
to reach out. She has no idea

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what she looks like or feel or
is what she does and the effect it

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has on people. Yeah, I
want to change the channel. Okay,

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change the channel. Nobody all of
these people right like it's like, I

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just feel like it's so old.
Who have to go away? Now?

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It's so boring. I want talking
toomers on this post. By the way,

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I am ros not a boomer.
I am I am the last boomer,

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like I'm gen X for your for
your information, I'm the year the

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gen X began. I began I
began with gen X. I am imbody.

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When I'm done, it's all over. It I'm the meaty part of

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the gen next curve, go away. They won't. Now, Biden is

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not exactly a boomer, designing three
years, but he was born three years

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before before the end of the war, right right, I think so?

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Uh so he's born in forty two, so he's not a boomer or forty

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three anyway one or the other.
But he's pretty close to being a boomer,

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right. And then you have Yillery
and you have Trump, and you

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have they won't go away, go
away? Go in, go go to

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Boca, go have an early bird
meal? Like what is wrong with you?

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People? Get out beat it speaking
obedient, That's what she said.

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But you know who? I don't
want to go away? Who? Who

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is going away? Who? Pat
say? Check? Oh? Pat say

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Jack? He's retiring? Is he
really? Forty one years? Forty he's

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been he's been doing it forty one
years, and this he'll do forty two

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and then he's out. Yeah,
and and and by the way, it

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was a good run. Yeah,
it's good run. Yes, right,

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So he always lose the good like
why is he leading? Can can he

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be president? Actually? You know
the thing about Pat say Jack is he'd

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be a great president. He actually
he's a wonderful, really nice guy,

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starry, very funny, very witty, very self aware, very smart.

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He's he's he reads a lot of
stuff. It's very like um uh,

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he runs meetings. Well, I've
been you know, with him in the

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group and he's sort of like not
charing. But he's Pat say Jack.

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Um. I mean maybe maybe he's
retiring to be Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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of Staff. We could do so
much worse by electing anybody currently running.

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You know, Pat say Jack.
Uh was in fact a one of the

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Good Morning Vietnam is not about Pat
say Jack, but it could have been.

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Pat Say Jack was a broadcaster on
the arm Forces rated network in in

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Vietnam. That was sort of where
he got his start as a as a

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broadcaster. And um, he ran
a pretty good talk show for a year

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or two. I guess it didn't
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one of their many efforts, failed
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It was modest. It was sort of

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like low key, which is obviously
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also he was very early on and
like it's interesting because there was this there

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don't think I'm the pioneered, but
like David Letterman right around you know,

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the early eighties, which is the
idea that show business and all these show

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business cliches are kind of stupid and
we kind of make fun of them,

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and that kind of this kind of
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Letterman delivery at that time became such
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mine telling me the story. He
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himself too deeply in people's consciousness when
he was like in his apartment in La

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and he'd lent his brownie pan,
the pan you make your brownies into somebody

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who also lives in the apartment building
who had had adopted a guy who had

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adopt that Letterman way of talking,
like you know, uh, gasho GOLLI.

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Here we go. It's a you
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And door and the he's knock on
the door, he opens it up.

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There's this guy with his brownie pants
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golly, here's your brownie pan like
like like, but so um, Patsy

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Jack had a little bit of that, just enough, this kind of the

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sense of like, Okay, this
is a weird game show. I'm not

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gonna take it too seriously. I'm
aware that this is something that's been going

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on for fifty years. And I'm
I'm and I we're the parts of their

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funny and ridiculous um. And he
would always say to people when whenever they

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say, oh, we just love
you, when yeah, you know,

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I play Hangman on TV for a
living, so take everything I say with

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a grain assault. I want to
tell you, guys why that is the

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best job in the history of capitalism. So I know this a little bit

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from my very brief experience, you
know, as a contestant on Jeopardy thirty

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five thirty seven years ago. So
these shows tape, they tape twice a

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month. They four days a month. They do five shows a day on

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a say, a Tuesday, and
they do the five shows day on a

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Wednesday. So they do two weeks
per week, and then they wait two

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weeks and then they do two more. So they work four days a month,

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and pat say Jack makes in excess
of twenty million dollars a year,

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may be more, we don't really
know, which means that he makes about

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sixty five thousand dollars an episode.
That's almost like a podcast host money.

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Yeah, hello, Gusto, we
just got our check from Gusto. Let

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me tell you we are we are
rolling in it anyway, meet tonight anyway.

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What a job? Seriously, And
who's to say that they're overpaid.

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They're not overpaid. They they're paid. Will be exactly right. They're paid

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with their When they had to change
hosts on Jeopardy, look at the the

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hell into which Jeopardy descended when Alex
Trebek died. I don't know what I

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mean. You know, it's like
they hired this guy, and then there

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were the articles exposing him, and
he ran the Dick Cheney like campaign Mike

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Richards to see who would be the
new host of Jeopardy, and then he

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appointed it comes on and he said
three things on everybody is a jerk.

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Everybody's a jerk now, and and
and Pat say, Jack's not a jerk,

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and like not being a jerk.
He's more than that. He's a

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great guy. Actually, But the
fact that he's just this normal person with

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sort of normal views. Right.
I mean, I don't think I'm revealing

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anything by saying Pat Say Jack is
on the as a center, right figured

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no matter what? Yeah, but
yeah, does he'll see that in a

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show. He's a funny guy.
He makes a little wit whitty quips,

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and he's very nice with the people, and he runs the show that people

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like, and he's like, somehow, Pat Say Jack should be the model.

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We should all be more like Pat
Say Jack, Right, Pat Sage

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should be. I remember what Pat
when he left Twitter, which is early

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days he left Twitter, he knew, get me out of here, this

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is not for me, and he
was right. We should all have been

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more like Pat. Um. I
mean I say that he's alive and well

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and very healthy and hale and hardy
and all those things. And he's gonna

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have a lovely, lovely time off
Um, he's gonna finally retire from his

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grueling four day a month schedules.
What are you gonna do with all your

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time? Pat? Well, you
know, the one thing about the one

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thing about him is that he never
pretends. I mean, my kids like

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the show, so I watch it
sometimes, and he never pretends that he

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actually knows what the puzzle is before
they you know, only when all the

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letters are exposed and the three people
can't figure out what it is, does

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he kind of like say what it
is or like act that way, whereas

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Alex Trebec. Yeah, his affect
was that he knew all the answers right

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right, but of course he had
them in front of right. No.

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But his hope was like he had
plugged the questions the prompts. I have

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to say one thing about Jeopardy.
I'm sorry, that's the piece of west

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failure. Can I just say not
what e desiast means when I so they

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had this tournament of champions of champions
like a month ago on Jeopardy, which

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I don't don't don't watch very much. And I, by the way,

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people sometimes ask me, because I
was a five time champion, why I'm

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not on the why I don't go
on these tournaments? And I can't because

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the head writer of Jeopardy, Billy
Weiss, is a close friend of mine,

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the son of Ruth Weiss, who
writes for commentary, the brother of

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Abbey Weiss Chapter who writes for the
conservative presses, and and the brother of

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my one of my dearest friends Jacob
Boys, an art professor at at Yeshiva

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University. Um, so I can't
go on. But but so there was

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this tournament and I thank God that
I couldn't go on. So they had

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this tournament of tournaments with the guys
who win everything, and I couldn't get

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a single It was so hard.
It was like it was like some bizarre

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version of trivia, the purpose of
which was to make it as hard as

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possible for anybody to get. And
it was fascinating to me. I would

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be interested to know if the ratings
went up or down, because if I

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find trivia hard, I can't imagine
what Most people watching the show, We're

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just sitting there like with their mouths
hanging open because they didn't even know what

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the what the category meant, let
alone what the But the answers were honest

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question because I mean, obviously you're
a Jeopardy veteran and all that, but

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like some of Jeopardy is muscle memory, right, I mean, because like,

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yeah, I don't watch for six
months and then I watch it and

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I'm bad. But if I watch
for three days in a row, all

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of a sudden, it's like the
cross crossruzzle. Yeah, part of it

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is that is absolutely true. That
and the thing when I did it when

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I was on, which was nineteen
eighty six, is I pretty much knew

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all the answers on the board.
It was all a question of whether or

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not I could ring in in time
and that and I think that was true

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of most most people or the people
that I was up again. So the

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muscle memory, there was literal muscle
memory or muscle experience about when to hit

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the buzzer so you didn't lock yourself
out. Yeah, that was when the

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light goes on around the question.
Yeah, the light the light second that

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Trebec finished saying the last syllable of
the last word, you could press the

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button. If you press it before
then you were locked out for five seconds.

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So that what that was. That
created this drama that no one knows

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about how to press the button,
which is really the which is really the

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art of being a contestant on that
show. I assume it's still the case

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now. But this was just they
did the right thing, which is they

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had the best people, people who
had won you know, fifty seventy ninety

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games that kind of thing, which
you know I could only win five,

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and I don't know if I would
have won more, I lost the I

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lost the one game I played in
the Tournament of Champions that year. But

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so they made it really really really
hard, and man, it was really

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really hard. I mean it was
just fascinatingly fascinatingly. I ask you a

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question here. I mean, I
don't I just really want to know what

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when you lose? Mhm, what
happens? Like they say, mister Georgs,

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please come dismay. You don't he
didn't. You don't think I didn't

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lose get hurt? And I don't. I don't actually remember what you know,

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they used to present people with,
you know, Lee press On.

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I mean they didn't give them on
the stage. They send them to you,

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right, and then you have to
pay taxes on them. You have

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to pay taxes on the least little
press on nails. Yeah, I don't

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think they give Lee press on.
I don't they don't. I don't think

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they give us subsidiary prizes anymore.
So, But you remember that was always

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like wait, wait, wait,
I don't get it. So you didn't

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lose, You're the reigning Jeopardy champion. I could plays. They had a

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five day limit and they lifted it
and that's when Ken Jennings won seventy two

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games or something. I see,
But for the ten fifteen years that it

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ran, you could only win five
games. So I retired, and then

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I played in the Tournament of Champions
and I lost in the first round.

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Okay, well that's okay, all
right. I don't remember what happened though,

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Yeah he said that. He did
say that. I don't. So

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here's the question to assume. I
assume I shook everybody's hands and then I

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left the stage. Did you feel
were you kind of crying? No?

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Were you like Johnny Sack leaving the
wedding crying with Ye? I was like

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Philly g Tardo at the gas station. Yeah, they rolled the car over

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my head. So so, but
like I look, I mean, not

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only was nineteen eighties, John Padre, it's a staggering male specimen, but

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your brain was younger, right,
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah?

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Are you wor how do you think
you do it? Because like I worry

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about Oh, I don't think.
I don't think I could do I couldn't.

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I'm nowhere near I'm not there anymore. I really don't. From what

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lethologica quite a bit, see,
I think culturally. I think I have

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all the memory that I had in
nineteen eighty seven. It's just that I

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don't have much memory from nineteen eighty
seven until now. Yeh. What I

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mean by that is if they had
rock music, if they had category on

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wrap, or they had something on
that, you know that not to steal

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from cheers, but like your ideal
categories like the the the the John Podura's

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Dream Journal version of Jeopardy, it's
like show business biographies, yeah right,

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arcane Jewish thought were they Jews?
But I had a category that I ran,

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you know, when you answer all
the questions. So that category with

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literally I was behind. I was
like behind in that I was the last

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pilot comrade, and it was it
was Soviet leaders. And so I went

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from it was double Jeopardy. I
went from the most the hardest answer that

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was the thousand dollars answer. Then
I guess it's two thousand now up.

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And so I figured that the thousand
dollars answer would be Mollenkoff, the least

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known Soviet leader, and I was
correct. And then obviously there haven't been

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that many of them. There weren't
that many of them, So how it

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were there there was Stalin, there
was Lenin, there was Crucial Hits,

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there was you know, there was
Bresnev, and there was Mollenkoff and there

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was Gorbachoff. And this was an
easy I don't I mean, I don't

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remember what they were, but so
that I could still run, sure,

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But you know, they wouldn't have
Soviet leaders as a category, although on

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that Jeopardy Champions thing maybe they would
have, because that would be the equivalent

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of some a category that is like
almost impossible for anybody today. How about

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British prime ministers? That would be
good, right at Lee? You know,

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I would be so bad Callahan.
Anyway, you know what we got.

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412
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:28.799
Um, Jonah, you had an
interesting uh discussion in your Twitter feed,

413
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:37.119
uh the other day or something you
posted about we know about the notorious Dick

414
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:44.559
van Dyke British accent. Yeah,
the famous notorious Blimey Governor. That's too

415
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.640
good. That's too good. Yes, that's better than Dick van Dyke's accent.

416
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:58.599
I feel what's to happen? All
happened before. I'm sorry where was

417
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:07.200
I so? But you asked or
somebody asked, brit Brits come and do

418
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.319
American accents, and now increasingly also
on American TV shows, Brits are playing

419
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.359
Americans. Who does the best American
accent? Right? So, like the

420
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:23.160
thing is is like particularly like in
the early two thousands, particularly HBO shows,

421
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.720
but it was all over the place
where you'd be like, I mean,

422
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.920
I remember the first time I just
for the Indus ILBA. Yeah it

423
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.039
was a British guy. I mean, like like his acts, his Baltimore

424
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.680
black accent was just fantasy. And
then you know, and then it turns

425
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:44.519
out that also McNulty on that show
was British and like the what's his face

426
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:53.279
from uh, the the Mentoring Candidate
show, Damian Lewis Redhead. Yeah,

427
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.359
yeah, and then you go down
the list and then like all these basically

428
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.640
like almost everybody in True Blood,
which is not a great show, um

429
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:06.680
British and Ian McShane on Deadwood,
like holy crap. It's like, you

430
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.679
know, all these BRIT's come and
taking American jobs, you know, and

431
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.440
um, but you're saying these are
jobs of Americans would do, That's what

432
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:22.119
you're saying. Yeah. Yeah,
but I've had precious few experiences where um,

433
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.280
I was like, oh my gosh, that person's American. And so

434
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.400
I asked on Twitter about it,
and a bunch of people said Gwyneth Paltrow

435
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.519
like Charlie Cook, our French Charlie
Cooks that he was stunned to find out

436
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.960
British Gwyneth Patro wasn't British. Yeah, and I can't remember her name,

437
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:45.159
but I think people said Hugh Grant
was stunned at a party when he found

438
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.239
out she spoke in English American accent. But then there was some American actress

439
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.400
who is in Pride and Prejudice,
the Jennifer Eely Jennifer Ealely, who plays

440
00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:00.400
Elizabeth in the famous mini series Pride
and Prejudice, in which Colin for plays

441
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:06.360
Darcy. Jennifer Eely grew up in
North Carolina, but her mother was a

442
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:12.960
famous British actress, Rosemary Harris.
Her father was a novelist who taught I

443
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.119
think at UNC and so she grew
up there. But her mother, her

444
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:22.280
mother's English. So so that's but
she, I mean she's lawless. Like

445
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.519
yeah, like as not that not
that everybody who has a mother who has

446
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.000
an English accent would be flawless,
but it would never have known. Yeah.

447
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:34.840
The hard thing is that an American
accent, at least the traditional American

448
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.440
accent, doesn't get I mean,
if you're an American, doesn't have that

449
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.440
many giveaways, many tells, like
you can listen to somebody here that if

450
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.079
they do a hard r or something
or a round and oh they're from northern

451
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:50.119
they're from North Carolina, there Maryland
or that you know that kind of um

452
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.400
or they kind of have a flatter
you know, pap soda path that back

453
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.719
of your mouth is like more Midwestern. But basically there's a kind of a

454
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.360
sameness and it's all regional, whereas
in Britain is like a third fourth dimension

455
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:07.159
to it where you're there's where you're
from, what social class you're in,

456
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.840
and then what social class you're pretending
to be in, which goes both ways.

457
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.440
So one of the reasons why they
like really like these people should really

458
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:22.000
criticize the Princess of Diana, Prince
of Wales, was because she kind of

459
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.639
she would kind of add a little
y'allism, essentially, the version of you

460
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.519
that y'all isn't her language, you
wouldn't say, butsh her she say like

461
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:35.280
if you were like, come on, like you're the daughter of the Earl

462
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.800
spent you know you don't you don't
you pronounce both of those teams like you're

463
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.960
like the queen um. And then
there's also people who trying to be a

464
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:45.280
little bit more more posh than they
are. So the British are always trying

465
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.760
to trip you up and try to
figure out just where you rank, whereas

466
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.800
I think Americans are the most if
they if they even have regional American accents,

467
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.000
where just where you're from. Well, so of course I think the

468
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:04.400
most the most famous British person to
affect an American accent in American film history

469
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.320
was Vivian Lee, who was Scarlett
O'Hara in Gone with the Wind. It

470
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:13.119
was a who was a who was
unknown in the United States when she got

471
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:22.760
the part, and that was revelatory
because it showed how close the Southern accent,

472
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.719
or the sort of the kind of
the generic Southern accent is actually to

473
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.119
British yeah, daily speak. One
of the reasons that Renee Zellwegger is so

474
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:39.039
staggering in Bridget Jones is that she
doesn't sound like a posh She doesn't sound

475
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:44.639
like someone who has been through finishing
school. She sounded like a London like

476
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.320
a conventional ordinary londoner. Um,
you know how dad, you know like

477
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:54.280
that, And she sounded like an
everyday person. And Gwyneth Paltrow, whose

478
00:37:54.320 --> 00:38:00.639
accent again flawless in Emma and in
Sliding Doors, nonetheless sounds like you know

479
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.480
she yeah, she she was.
She sat for six months learning by listening

480
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.719
to BBC Shakespeare, you know,
by listening to BBC recordings of Shakespeare and

481
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:16.400
great actresses speaking in rounded you know, rounded tones like that. So even

482
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.079
in its perfection, maybe she sort
of showed that she wasn't really English.

483
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.760
Then there are people like Tom Hardy, who loves to do American accents and

484
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.719
doesn't really get them quite right.
Like it's a movie like I think we

485
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:32.719
give them a Yeah, the Engish
people a little too much credit. Benedict

486
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.719
Commerbatch, Oh not bad. He
has an accent. He does this kind

487
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:44.280
of thing right where hard Over,
got over, get out of here,

488
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:50.960
get a gun and Greenwich village,
right, fighter man, and I think

489
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.519
cast a magic spell that will allow
you to split up the multiverse. You

490
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:01.119
know he was that Hugh Laurie also, but he did it when he was

491
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.119
doing House. There was a little
bit of that, but although he you

492
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.679
know, that's what he did.
A really sorcerer. Yeah, the word

493
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:13.519
sorcerer was was tough ye for comback, he says, sorcerer. Well,

494
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.000
now we about Bob Hoskins and Roger
Rabbit. That is great. That's like,

495
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:22.639
you've got me all wrong. You
don't know how hard it is being

496
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:29.719
a woman looking the way I do. Yeah, you don't know how hard

497
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:34.800
it is being a man looking a
woman looking the way you do. I'm

498
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:42.360
not bad, I'm just drawn that
way. He's like trying to do it.

499
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.559
But it's like if you grew up, yeah, if you grew up

500
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:49.519
watching movies like American movies. The
Third A friend of mine once went to

501
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.840
went went to acting school and one
of his teachers was this old woman and

502
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:57.559
she was just like get taught learned
in acting school in the thirties and forties,

503
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.159
and that's when you were You watch
an American movie from the thirties or

504
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.320
forties and everyone's talking like this,
you know, I must say I haven't

505
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.960
that, or they're Americans and you
learned it my bites. The days of

506
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.840
the week was Monday, Monday,
tues Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

507
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:20.320
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and
Sunday Sunday. You had to say

508
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.880
it like that. That was a
American English, which sounded sort of mid

509
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.159
Atlantic. Yeah, although I think
umberbat can sound kind of old mid Atlantic

510
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.119
to me, like this is which
is why I think he hits the ear

511
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.480
weird because there's so little of that
left. Yeah, that's true. Um

512
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.599
yeah, well, so all like
movies like there were actors like Edward Everett

513
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:45.000
Horton, who best known to people
as the if you're our age you wouldn't

514
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.960
know him if you weren't our but
if you are age, you might know

515
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.440
him because he was the narrator of
the Fractured fairy Tales on the Rocky and

516
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.960
Bullwinkle Show. Once upon a time
there was a very ordinary kingdom full of

517
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.440
very ordinary people. They were so
ordinary that they would have found life very

518
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:05.760
dull, indeed, if it weren't
for just one extraordinary girl named Beauty.

519
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.159
And he was this great character actor
of the thirties and forties. And he

520
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.639
was an American named after Edward Everett, who was the famous the guy who

521
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.519
spoke before Lincoln at Gettysburg and talked
for two and a half hours and then

522
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.000
Lincoln talked for four minutes and gave
the greatest speech in world history. So

523
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.400
he's like American to his core,
Edward Everett Horden, and he had this

524
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.360
very affected like form of speaking that
was, and he was a stage actor

525
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.480
and then he went to Hollywood and
he spoke like this, and nobody talks

526
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.360
like that anymore. No one in
America has that voice anymore at all.

527
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:45.960
And I think that's because Henry Fonda
and Jimmy Stewart and I don't know Mary

528
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:50.880
people who Gary Cooper and all that
they came in and they established the American

529
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:57.159
voice. And Bing Crosby and Frank
Sinatra, Frank Starts had kind of an

530
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:01.559
accent, but I mean there was
this kind of American accent that emerged as

531
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:07.480
a result of Midwesterners and other people
from small town's coming and sort of taking

532
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:12.239
over pop culture. That took away
that affected that this is the way you

533
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:16.199
should speak the radio voice. That
couple things. I cannot believe that none

534
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.800
of you've mentioned Kevin Costner and Robin
Hood because something that was just a twittiful

535
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:29.559
that if you truly believe in your
hearts that you are free, and I

536
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:36.440
say, we can win. They
got armor, I got armorable. Even

537
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.239
this boy can be taught to find
the chinks in every suit of armor.

538
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.039
But we ain't going enough. Hege, what do we mean that the forest

539
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:49.840
cannot provide? We have food,
what full weapons? We'll find safety installace

540
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.599
in our trees. Yeah, but
what a going an kidd Shuder's taking all

541
00:42:53.639 --> 00:43:01.079
they got too. Oh my god, we take it back. That was

542
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:09.760
the school of international accents. Well, Robert Redford sort of does it for

543
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.400
there. It's like you don't know
it when in out of Africa, Like

544
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.440
you know, movies are made out
of sequence. So clearly he spent two

545
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.199
weeks doing an English accent and then
said, oh the hell with it,

546
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:24.599
and then stopped. But I don't
know where they were in filming, you

547
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.960
know, because they were filming different
scenes in different places. So sometimes he

548
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:34.599
has this weird semi accent. Sometimes
it's just Robert Redford. It's really bizarre.

549
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:39.719
Hey, I'm so change topics slightly. Um, I I don't want

550
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:45.519
to divulge names. But I was
recently on the scene in green room with

551
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:52.519
some prominent journalists and we were talking
about and this is not a conversation about

552
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:57.599
Trump, but we're talking about Trump's
motivations for taking the documents and how I

553
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.239
think it's got a silly thing.
It was all part of some grand scheme

554
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.960
to leverage the Saudis and all that
kind of stuff. It's just he thought

555
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.480
they were cool, right, And
I made this reference. I was like,

556
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.960
you know, it's sort of like
the ongoing debate about Trump and how

557
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.519
much of he is he just like
Chauncey Gardner, and people will project on

558
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:20.079
him. And two very significant,
not not super SIGNI I mean, it's

559
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:27.440
some real journalists of just twenty somethings
but like close to my age didn't get

560
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:32.719
the reference and heard of being there, and like, I think what I

561
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.559
think is first of all, so
weird about that, is like, it's

562
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.840
not like I'm the only one who's
made reference to being there in columns over

563
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.599
the like, you know, like
I guarantee I don't know who like Peggy

564
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.960
Noonan and a half of the New
York Times bid page at one point or

565
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.880
another has right. So it's like, Chris gard do you agree with better?

566
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:59.679
Do you think we can still be
like growth through temporary incentives as long

567
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:06.159
as the roots are nuts seven,
all is well, and all will be

568
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:09.400
well, and the god it's part
of the vernacular. And it reminded me.

569
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.599
You know, both of you guys
contributed. I did this thing a

570
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.599
couple of years ago for The Dispatch
because I was so frustrated with the young

571
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:22.920
UN's on the staff not getting relevant
political movie references. Right, I'm not

572
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.440
talking about like not knowing like the
plot of Digstown or something. I mean

573
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.480
like not knowing, you know,
references in The Godfather or Mister Smith Goes

574
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:36.239
to Washington, or these kinds of
movies that are part of the political vocabulary.

575
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:43.639
And I just it's it's weird to
me how you can read forget writing,

576
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.639
you know, because some of these
people are just reporters and they just

577
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.679
you know, it's a different skill
set in different orientations. But like presumably

578
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.960
they read and like some of these
things that people don't know. It's I

579
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.239
mean, I don't want to get
off my long guy here, but it's

580
00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:00.480
really shocking to me. Christine on
my podcast, Christine Rosen and Mac Hannay

581
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:07.000
revealed that, um, they were
talking to some of the young people at

582
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.760
Ai where Jonah is an American Air
president suit and like they didn't know who

583
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:16.199
Tina Turner was. So that's not
even that's not even being there. Which

584
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:21.800
was a which was a high end
not really an art movie, but you

585
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:27.079
know it wasn't like a blockbuster when
it came out. Um, but that's

586
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.400
like, now, how old are
we? Like, is Tina Turner a

587
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:37.719
reference from you know, from the
Antidiluvian era? Or by the way,

588
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:43.960
speaking of an amazing American accent,
Peter Sellers could do anything, and he

589
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:50.199
did. He could do astounding ad
Lay Stevens an accent in Doctor Strange Love.

590
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.440
He could do like a Gino from
Los Angeles and I Love You Alice

591
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.119
b topless, and he had that. Eddie could do South Asian in the

592
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:02.559
party. I'm not talking about South
Asian and the party. Don't you don't

593
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.000
you trash the party. I didn't
trash the party. It's a it's a

594
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:13.239
very specific movie. But I love
Als Yeah, which is of a Jewish

595
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.920
guy. Also in the World of
Henry Orient in which he plays a guy

596
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:22.559
who has a fake accent and then
when he gets agitated it becomes a Brooklyn

597
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:29.079
accent like that's and he's an you
know English mean, he was just uncanny.

598
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:30.760
Like I saw a clip of one
of his interviews that somebody didn't interview

599
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:34.000
with him. This is a long
time ago. He was even Dick Cabot

600
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:39.119
or something or maybe before that,
and someone was asking him about Doctor Strangelove

601
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.159
where he plays the you know,
a German and he's like, he's,

602
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.559
well, you know I started out
doing it's a German accent like this,

603
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.519
you know what it's like. But
Kubrick had a friend of his friend of

604
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:55.159
Kubricks was this was the set photographer
who was the famous photographer Weigi actually um

605
00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.119
and Weigi used German and so Weigi
took all the photographs on the set of

606
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.199
Doctor Strangelove and he would He's like
a little diminutive guy and he would set

607
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.800
up his little camera. You know, he still use the old fashioned camera.

608
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.280
Set it up, and he'd always
set it up. And he's been

609
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.599
like twenty minutes setting his camera up. And then Kober is not now Wigi,

610
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.679
and Wigi would say okay, okay, I am leaving. And then

611
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.280
and he but a very high pitched
voice like whatever, I can't do it.

612
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.119
And then, as Sellers was describing
how Weigi talked and the accent,

613
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:29.000
he merged into his character from Doctor
Strangelove UM and he said, that's so

614
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.800
basically I'm doing Weigi. I'm doing
this very high pitched German voice. But

615
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.559
he said he searched for he like
looked around. I mean that's you know,

616
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.599
the level of skill and craft he
had, speaking of level of skill

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because I wanted to get it out in

647
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the last conversation when you're talking about
the kids not knowing a Tina Turner is,

648
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:45.760
do you guys remember when Margaret Thatcher
died? There was a hashtag Thatcher

649
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:51.559
is dead, and hundreds of young
people were like, what the hell?

650
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Why are people saying that that share
is dead? Because Thatcher is that look

651
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and they don't know who that was, Yeah, but they do who share

652
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:08.599
is Yeah, we take what you
can get. Yeah, yeah, well

653
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.360
there's that. It's like that line. Billy Crystal had this line in a

654
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.119
stand up where his kid says to
him, Dad, did you know that

655
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:22.599
Paul McCartney was in a band before
Wings? And the kid who said that

656
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:28.199
it's probably now fifty? Yeah,
I if a kid ever said that,

657
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.760
right, yeah, even even that
strange credulity. But it does it does

658
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:36.920
fit? Um it does it does? Does does fit? Something? There

659
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.159
is this whole McCartney thing going on
now, you know, like he's got

660
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.920
a book of photographs out. Remember
in A Hard Day's Night Now we're really

661
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.119
dating or something. I just happened
to watch it last month because I showed

662
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:50.239
it to one of my kids.
But there's a whole sequence on a Hard

663
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:54.360
Day's Night where he's walking around taking
pictures. Um, it's it's it's pretty

664
00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.320
amazing by the way Hard Day's Night
like it. It's the first mockumentary I

665
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:07.559
think really ever made, and it's
funny and weird and not like anything ever

666
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.880
before since well Worth well Worth revisiting. But he's taking all these pictures.

667
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:19.519
It turns out that McCartney really was
a pretty serious photographer. And I was

668
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.280
thinking about this, So he's like
twenty two or something like that when when

669
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:30.119
A Hard Day's Night is it was
made and he is now eighty three or

670
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:39.239
something like that, and he has
been world famous without let up for three

671
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:44.800
quarters of his life. Yeah,
can't go anywhere, can't do anything,

672
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:49.840
like sixty years. He's like one
of the most famous people in the world

673
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.440
without let up. Like it's not
like he went into decline somehow. I

674
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.840
mean, he's not wasn't the Beatles, you know. But I'm just saying,

675
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:02.440
like, I'm sure that there are
three billion people on earth who if

676
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:06.559
he walked down the street would be
able to say, that's Paul McCartney.

677
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.519
What well at this point existence like
that be like I can't even Yeah,

678
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:21.239
but has he monetized? That's the
important question is brand I think you could

679
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:25.079
walk down the street and not recognize
he looks weird now. He looks kind

680
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.760
of like like he like somebody put
Paul McCartney in a like a on water

681
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.199
has been preserving him in water or
something for a while. Like he's just

682
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:37.400
a little bit I don't know,
there's something weird about him. What I

683
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.400
love about Paul mcartney is that he
I think the reason why he lasted so

684
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.639
long is that according to people,
I don't know that he's like like he's

685
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.079
like a like a he's like one
of the most shallow people ever, not

686
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.840
in a bad way, just like
he just doesn't have any big thoughts.

687
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.840
And a friend of mine once told
me the story. He was performing in

688
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:02.159
in in La and uh, they
were all and he was invited to go

689
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.320
to the after party after. So
he was performing at Staples Center downtown,

690
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.639
but he was staying at his big
fancy hotel um in near Beverly Hills,

691
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.159
and uh, and he's got like
the big top floor pretty much, and

692
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:22.599
he's got this room for the after
party. And everybody gets there before McCartney

693
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.400
gets there after the show, and
so they're all in the in the party

694
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:34.679
room and someone has been playing exclusively
Beatles music and Wings music. So my

695
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.639
friend is in the music business and
calls to the person the manager and charge

696
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.920
is listen, I don't know if
you know this, but it's very uncool

697
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:44.800
to play the artist songs here.
I know what you're trying to do,

698
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:49.320
and like, that's fine, but
really before Paul and his people get here,

699
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.280
you need to change it. And
the guy said, no, no,

700
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:58.159
this is what Paul's requested. And
so party goes on and near's the

701
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.559
annual, the big people kind of
gone. And he's a lovely guy.

702
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.320
But they're sort of sitting on a
sofa chatting and they're gossip with friends that

703
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.079
they know, and and there you
know, he's you know, just they're

704
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.679
just catching up and um and then
and then um, eleanor Rigby comes on

705
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:15.880
and so they're playing eleanor Rigby and
and there's a moment where the conversation pauses

706
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.719
and Paul looks, I goes really
does make you think about all the lovely

707
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:27.320
people, doesn't it. So you
know, sometimes if you're unburdened by thought,

708
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.320
you can you you can find yourself
with a long career. It's very

709
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:36.880
Chauncey Gardner observation. I wish,
I wish, I wish I were that

710
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:43.119
that light of thought. Um.
I tried to watch that Beatles document at

711
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:45.920
six hour Beatles Documentary. I loved
it. That did you so? I

712
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.559
found it way too boring. But
there is this moment in it where you

713
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:57.920
where you watch Paul McCartney incept the
song get back. Yeah, they have

714
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.480
no material, they have this album
to record. Word they have no material.

715
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:07.519
And then he picks up a guitar
and he just starts strumming violently and

716
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:15.000
out of nowhere in thirty seconds,
rights get back. It's uncanny. It's

717
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.480
like the Higgs boson them. It's
like it's like it's like this thing was

718
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:27.000
created where thirty seconds earlier there had
been nothing. Yeah. Um, and

719
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.039
and you know it is like some
it is some visual it's some manifestation of

720
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:36.320
genius right in front of you.
And I know the general thought has always

721
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.119
been that Lennon was the greater genius. And I just don't think that there's

722
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:49.280
anyway Sin was actually Molonkov, Yeah, Molenkoff. The Molonkov was Pete Best

723
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:55.559
I guess. Yeah. So like
not hugely interesting, but like I'm still

724
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:59.800
getting Fox News, the Fox News
app. I get notifications turned on for

725
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:05.119
some and so, and like you
could always tell when they're trying to pull

726
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.199
one over on you versus actually deliver
you news on the notifications, because if

727
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:13.679
it's big news, they give you
the actual news. If it's something that's

728
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.920
clickbait, they like they entice you. But what the hell are you talking

729
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:24.480
about? So they about a month
ago they sent out a notification saying early

730
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:30.280
member of the Beatles are a member
of the Beatles dies you're like, shit,

731
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:31.840
who is it? Like, like
who died? And like you look

732
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:37.239
it up. I can't remember the
guy's name. It was like Ryan's previous.

733
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.639
I mean it was like some total
freaking nobody who played drums. They

734
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:47.039
played drums on Revolver. There was
like two sessions in Liverpool when someone had

735
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:53.719
the flu or something. Yeah,
it was really yeah, like guy I

736
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:59.039
never knew lived as died. People
never believe that's you know, it's like

737
00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.440
you'll never believe who died. And
then it turns out that you click on

738
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:06.239
it because you're an idiot, and
then it turns you wouldn't believe who died

739
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:09.360
because you've never heard of that person
who died and they're seven, So yeah,

740
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:15.199
they would believe it. Yeah,
oh my god. All right,

741
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:21.480
Well I think we're I think we're
My advancing age would indicate we're now in

742
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:27.480
the We're now in the Yes,
old man yells at cloud. Is that

743
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:30.119
what we've been done here? I
don't know. How does Gusto? How

744
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:37.320
does don't know? I know?
I Gusto is the Guesso is the email

745
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:43.360
company. We get an email from
Gusto whenever we get a quarterly payment for

746
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:49.039
our share of the ad revenue here
on on glop which, yeah, as

747
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:54.719
Jonah says, you know, could
buy you a an impossible brother. So

748
00:58:54.880 --> 00:59:06.719
I like that. The uh introduction
of ectasiast um at the beginning of the

749
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:12.119
show. We never told people what
ectasiast means, which is a very ecdeasiastic

750
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:20.840
way to conduct conversation. You are
not you're teasing the audience further. Um,

751
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.800
I guess we should tell people what
it what it means. It's it's

752
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.280
it's a strip tease former. Um, yes, it's yes, it's Gypsy

753
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.199
rose Lee or um would be the
most famous, uh, and I think

754
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:37.639
may have been the inventor because she
was very pretentious. The Great Rogers and

755
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:42.760
Hart song Zip is a parody of
Gypsy rose Lee, who would like strip

756
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:49.559
and say things like I just read
John Steinbeck's latest short story. She had

757
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:54.000
a fan in front of her,
and you know, Pablo Picasso's Garnica is

758
00:59:54.039 --> 01:00:00.679
really one of the finest of all
art work. Get off and then with

759
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.199
a lot of bunch of one stuck
at her. Yeah, exactly. Anyway,

760
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.079
So yeah, that's what Nick dasiast
is um. Um are we gonna

761
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.440
talk about what we're reading or watching? That we like because I have a

762
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:15.039
book finish which I really like.
It's called A Season of the Witch by

763
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:19.920
David Talbot. I've read The Season
of the Witch. Did I not recommend

764
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.480
that to you? I don't know
if you did, because it is I

765
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:27.360
don't like David Talbot, who is
the founder of Salon, and I don't

766
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.800
like him. I don't like his
politics. I don't like that is a

767
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.280
sensationally good book. It's a great
book. And what I love about it

768
01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:37.199
is if it's a it's a it's
a you can you feel the psychological strain

769
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.280
in the books. Book tell a
story of San Francisco from like now early

770
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:46.320
sixties all the way to the late
eighties. I mean it really starts,

771
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.840
it starts. It's a history of
San Francisco. Really starts with the with

772
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.519
the with the earthquakes. Yeah,
but that's right, that's just said that.

773
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.559
Yeah, it's really about you know, hippie a se summer of hippies,

774
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.599
the decline of hippies, the sla
all sorts of things, serial killers,

775
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.559
all the stuff that like San Francco
is famous for in the in the

776
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:12.679
sixties, seventies and eighties and the
nineties and now and it's an indictment of

777
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.559
it. Really, it's an indictment
of liberal progressivism, that's really what.

778
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:21.360
It's an indictment of it. So
if he can't bring himself to connect the

779
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.760
dots, all the dots are there. If you read it, you see

780
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:30.840
exactly this beautiful, idyllic passage about
this commune in the late sixties called the

781
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:35.079
Good Earth Commune and Hate, which
somehow had managed to avoid all sorts of

782
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.039
the excesses of all the communes and
hate, except near the end they got

783
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:43.000
into they got into cocaine, and
then they started dealing cocaine and then became

784
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:46.559
drug dealers, and they all either
died or they left. But the decline

785
01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:52.199
of all those great Utopians is so
fantastic. It's so rich and lurid,

786
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:53.679
you have a hard time believing it's
real. It's like a one of most

787
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:58.360
John Irving novels. It's just like
so incredibly vivid and over the top.

788
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:00.280
It's like too much. So this
is true, So I recommend it.

789
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:02.920
I just finished it. And it's
a little arcade. If you're not into

790
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:07.719
San Francisco, you didn't live there, it's like part of it. What

791
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.079
do you care? The president the
Board of Supervisors was but I think it

792
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:15.159
is. I think it is.
It's an important book to read as a

793
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:21.920
reality check, by which I mean
what was going on in San Francisco from

794
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:31.400
about nineteen sixty nine until nineteen seventy
nine was so crazy that when we look

795
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:37.920
around and we say things in America
are just so, we're going we're in

796
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:43.719
terrible shape. The crime that this
Black Lives Matter Portland looked, what's happening

797
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:52.239
in Portland. I share the distress
at the condition of our cities and things

798
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.320
like that, but you have no
you cannot even you can't compare what things

799
01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:00.800
are like now with what they were
like then. Multiple serial killers by calling

800
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:06.599
on Yeah, there were multiple serial
killers. There were there were black radical

801
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:12.440
black groups that were Who's the Zebra
killers. The doctrine had it that they

802
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:16.079
should just go out and attack random
white people, which twenty six was they

803
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:19.280
killed, they killed twenty six.
But I was gonna say, was there

804
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.639
there were multiple serial killers going at
the time that they were also searching for

805
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:29.039
Patty Hurst. It's like there was
like there was like constant crisis and uh,

806
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.400
it's um and it really is an
indictment of UM. Yeah, and

807
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:37.000
all of them and all of these. Yeah, unto tie back to the

808
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:44.880
thing about political literacy with movies,
go watch Network and see a grap fest

809
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:50.119
American public life was, and how
and how realistic all that seemed, you

810
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.239
know, um it was anyway,
Sorry, no, anyway, I'm i'm,

811
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:58.800
i'm, I'm. I'm thrilled to
have this conversation because I really did

812
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.199
the book das to me, and
I knew a lot about I knew everything.

813
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:08.039
I knew in detail, lots of
different chunks of it. For example,

814
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:12.320
the degree to which Jim Jones,
who of course then you know,

815
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:16.559
caused the deaths of nine hundred people
poisoned nine hundred people at the you know,

816
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:26.760
in Guiana after his church fled San
Francisco to go to Guiana, got

817
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:30.599
the mayor of San Francisco, George
Musconi, elected mayor. He has given

818
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:35.480
credit without question, he was the
most important political player in San Francisco.

819
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:41.360
This guy we think of as this
crazy cult leader with this crazy, you

820
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.800
know, extreme thing who did with
the kool aid and shooting congressman and all

821
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.360
of that. He was a key. He was like Al Sharpton, but

822
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:55.760
way more powerful. And this guy
got George Musconi elected, who then of

823
01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:00.480
course was but by by cheating,
by cheating, and he was shot dead

824
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.360
in city hall. As you know, people only know the name of Harvey

825
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:11.159
Milk. Carvey Milk was just a
supervisor in in the San Francisco municipal government.

826
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:17.239
George Musconi was the mayor. Dan
White shot another supervisor shot Musconi,

827
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:21.079
and Milk killed them both. And
you know who then became a major American

828
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:26.719
political figure as a result of that. Diane Feinstein, right, Trump for

829
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.960
mayor, lost twice and then became
accidentally became mayor because of Mausconi's assassination,

830
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:36.440
and is now drooling and incontinent in
the Senate Chamber. I'm sorry I brought

831
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:45.039
this up now always out a clean
getaway. I'm so sad. I just

832
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:46.159
wanted to I just want to say
I was reading a book. What are

833
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:50.440
you reading, Joe. I'm reading
Robert Kagan's Goes Through the Feast and it's

834
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:55.239
great. I gotta say it's great. I have a major lacuna in my

835
01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:01.000
late nineteenth early twentieth century foreign policy
stuff and it's great. It's it's incredibly

836
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.920
and I will admit part of the
reasons it's great is it confirms so many

837
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.280
of my priors. But it's great, you see. And the whole point

838
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:14.320
about David Talbot was that I read
the book even though I assumed that it

839
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.679
would not confirm my priors, because
I was interested in the subject of San

840
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:21.639
Francisco story. And then it did
confirm my priors because he's honest to his

841
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:28.840
best, because he's honest enough to
write the facts down of this story that

842
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.880
is beyond belief. So, John, I assume you're you're you're reading Jamie

843
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:38.880
Farre's biography right now. I excuse
me. I would like I have Jamie

844
01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:42.960
Farre's biography in my house. Would
you like to know why? Because I

845
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:46.840
signed I think I think he said
what I was the TV critic of the

846
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:51.199
Post. He sent me a sign
copy. It is called just far Fun

847
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:59.559
and it is the only I have. So what are you reading? What

848
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:05.440
am I? I am reading for
no reason, the late fiction of Irwin

849
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:11.840
Shaw. So you want to talk
about, like, you know, being

850
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:19.400
there? So Irwin Shaw was this
wildly bestselling writer wrote His most successful book

851
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:23.360
was rich Man, Poor Man,
which was made into the first MINISERI,

852
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:29.079
the first American miniseries I made Nick
Nulty a star, but he had been

853
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.360
a playwright in the thirties. He
then became a screenwriter in the forties,

854
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.679
and he started writing novels in the
fifties, and he wrote books that sold

855
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.360
millions of copies, and no one
has ever heard of him. He died

856
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.480
in like nineteen eight three, nineteen
eighty four. And I read a novel

857
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:46.000
of his called Evening in Byzantium,
which is about the Con Film Festival in

858
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:53.159
nineteen seventy, and it was like
eating candy. It was so like a

859
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:58.960
nostalgia fest. For it's about It's
a nostalgia fest, even if you had

860
01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:02.800
no experience of the Con Film Festival
in nineteen seventy. You know the cars

861
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:10.039
they're driving, the beaches thereon the
drunken scenes, Pablo Picasso at dinner at

862
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.480
the restaurant you're in and you're worried
he's looking at you because you're you're ashamed

863
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.560
to be anywhere in the presence of
Pablo Picasso. Anyway, I'm really I

864
01:08:16.680 --> 01:08:23.720
really enjoyed it. This guy knew
how to craft a popular novel, right,

865
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.199
which is something we doesn't even really
exist anymore, Like a novel that

866
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:33.239
is an entertainment does anybody write those. I don't think people write novels the

867
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:38.960
purpose of which is to provide people
with entertainment. It's to shock them or

868
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:43.199
it's just sort of both horrors and
existence and all that, but not like

869
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.319
this is one form of popular entertainment, like a movie, like a play,

870
01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:50.279
like a TV show. Novels really
don't have that much anymore unless you're

871
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:56.399
unless you read genre fiction, right, unless you read mysteries or science fiction

872
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:02.439
or fantasy, the novel about people
in their forties living a life doesn't exist

873
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:08.359
anymore. And it's I miss it
myself speaking of living a life. So

874
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:14.520
okay, we gotta live life now. Rob have a wonderful time going near

875
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:20.680
where evening in Byzantium set is set. And uh, Jonah, you will

876
01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:25.119
be ruminating later this week on the
Ruminant. I take I at some point

877
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:30.119
yet, although I in four minutes, I'm doing a remnant with Jonathan Adler,

878
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:32.840
my friend Johan Adler. So and
then later this afternoon I'm doing another

879
01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:35.600
one with Rickets, my colleague at
the American Enterprisement Suit. So there,

880
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:40.039
rumination. So you're doing three today. I only did two because I did

881
01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:44.079
the commentary podcast three minutes before I
started this one. So and we need

882
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:53.680
to get you off conversation, so
we will that fee uh tipper waitresses bead.

883
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:38.720
You know my favorite yogiism, my
favorite Yogi baratism of all time.

884
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:45.319
It's absolutely true. Yogi Bara,
upon learning that the Mayor of Dublin,

885
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.920
Robert Briscoe, was a Jew,
said only in America. Yeah, that's

886
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:55.840
fantastic. I know that. The
greatest, the greatest. See you guys,

887
01:10:55.920 --> 01:10:58.479
thank you, thank you, villas. See soon later