Welcome to Open Mindes Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for
the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for
nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close
and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding
the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to
Open Minds Radio. You heard that right. It is nine pm and one
hundred and two degrees here in Arizona. I'm sure some of you are freaking
out running around in circles with your arms waving above your head to hear that.
But actually, you know what, I'm loving it out here. I
love all the sunshine. So all of you concerned people who are always saying,
how do you do it? Man, It's not that bad. Really,
well, it's not like I'm gonna go for a bike ride where I's
talking with someone else. Not going for a bike ride. Tonight a little
too hot for that. But it's perfect to be indoors listening to the radio
or in your car with your AC listening to open minds, especially tonight because
our guest is my superb cousin, Jason Cordova, And that's really cool because
he has been my partner in paranormal investigation for a long time at least,
you know, after he got out of the Navy and after he deprogrammed his
mind a little bit from the Navy and then got you know, back into
school and got into the swing of things. And it's pretty cool because what
he then did at the college you just graduated from with a degree in aerospace
operations, which is pretty cool. That's just a cool name. Aerospace operations.
Now, if you're going to work in like if the star Trek world,
in the engineering area of the enterprise, that's the kind of degree you
got to get, I think from Starfleet Academy. He didn't go to Starfleet
Academy though, he went to Metro State College, and as I was saying,
when he was there, he started up a paranormal group called the Cryptoscience
Society. He says, it's an organition organization dedicated to the study of unusual
phenomenon. Actually now he's since he's founded it, but he's graduated. He's
an alumni and he's trying to help get this group throughout the country, and
they were actually very successful. One thing that he noted, which everybody notes
in this field, is that there aren't very many younger people in paranormal research.
I was shocked when I went to my first MOOFON meeting and it was
like an ARP meeting. No offense to the people my mentors and colleagues who
I love. I mean, everybody's over fifty years old. That's a fifty
sixty and above. And I'm not kidding a lot. You know, the
curve the middle age is up there, so everybody wants to get the younger
kids involved, and Jason identified that, but he went about it in a
way that was just a little different from I think what people normally want to
happen. And we'll talk about that, how he was successful, why,
and I'm sure he's going to be successful in getting a network going throughout colleges
and universities to actually already talk to some people to do that. So we'll
talk more about that. We'll talk more about paranormal investigations we've done, and
all kinds of cool stuff like that coming up in just a minute. Also,
for those of you who don't like commercials. Quit whining because that's how
people make money. But your winding work because I hear you personally, I
hate commercials myself. An I don't watch TV with commercials. If there's a
commercial that comes on, I'm gonna change the channel, and I'm possibly not
even gonna change the channel back to what I was watching before, because I
don't like the commercials. In fact, most likely, what I'll do is
start watching things until I find a show like a PBS where there's no commercials.
That's why I watch so much c Span the book part because you know
there's no commercials on this, so you can watch the whole thing, So
that might be a good thing. This is a lot for public television.
But anyways, we're gonna be going strictly online, so you can go to
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buddies. Also, we're podcasted and we have archives online. You can see
us on ustream. Go to our website the radio page. If you're like
the visual stuff, you can watch us. If you like the audio,
while you're off doing other stuff, you can listen. You know, we've
got lots of options for you guys here. So we're gonna be going to
a new time. Also, we're going to go to seven pm on Mondays,
so we'll be a little earlier, a couple hours earlier, which is
going to be good for our East Coast buddies who don't have to stay up
to the middle of the night anymore to listen live. And the reason why
you want to listen live is because we've got chat going on at u stream
and at blog talk. Just go to our website actually and on the radio
tab and you can chat with us where we're doing this whole thing. And
as you know, if you've been listening to the show, I asked questions
from the chat often, so changes to the radio station. Did I forget
anything because I always forget something longer, I always forget some point. It's
also going to be a longer show, so we're going to be an hour
and a half instead of an hour because a lot of you were saying you're
not getting in depth. Your show is awful, it's short, and it's
really making me mad. So I was like, hey, man, chill,
okay, we'll change it, you know, just kidding, But yeah,
a lot of people did want some longer stuff. So we've got a
lot on your show. So that's gonna be really cool as usual, and
we'll have a commercial coming up on it, I'm sure. With the UFO
Congress coming up, I'm always talking about that. I'm just so excited we've
confirmed the SkyWatch that we're gonna be doing out in the desert in this incredible
location here in Arizona. And after a Friday night Franks where Native Americans come
and tell some stories. It's just fun get together thing for the whole community.
After that, you know where, we got bonfires, We're eating hot
dogs, we're drinking beer after that. I don't drink much so and I'm
not gonna drink neither is Jason rink because we're gonna eat a hot dog either.
I'm not gonna eat a hot dog because I'm a vegetarian. But after
all of that fun, we're gonna SkyWatch and look for some UFOs and I'm
pretty sure we're gonna see them. We're gonna have stand roman X some other
abductees, and we may even see somebody get abducted. That would be the
first time someone's been filmed abducted that I would know that would be incredible,
So come make that happen. Help us make that happen. You can find
out more about the gear Congress at ufocongress dot com that's going to be in
late February, or go to our website, but without further ado. Every
day on Open mindsack TV, practically we've got news headlines from conventional news around
the world because UFOs is a big story around the world. Are news correspondent
Jason McClellan is here to tell us all about it. Greeting Zalehandro, Hello
Phoenix, and Hello world. This is your Open Minds news brief for Monday,
August twenty third, twenty ten. Several British travel companies are trying to
push something a little different, UFO tourism. The unusual new marketing effort by
travel companies hopes to transform destinations with frequent UFO activity into money making tourist destinations
for UFO hunters. Regular UFO activity in Cyprus has the location being pushed by
the travel companies. Other places known for UFOs have been successful at becoming tourist
destinations. Roswell, New Mexico. So the idea of UFO tourism isn't a
new one, but it seems to be gaining in popularity. In fact,
the Travel Channel just even aired a special about Area fifty one in Nevada.
Yeah, that Travel Channel. It's funny. They have a lot of really
cool shows. I mean, paranormal is a travel a tourism type of thing.
There's lots of hotels and staff for ghost hnding and things like that,
so it works. I mean, rachel Nevada, their Area fifty one would
probably have nobody there if it wasn't for Area fifty one, right, And
like you said, the hotels with the ghosts, I mean that's very popular
all around Arizona. There are a lot of yeah, popular hotels for that.
We always seem to have UFO Siddings to report from the UK. Here's
another siding from last week. A mysterious orange fiery globe was observe observed above
Edmonton. The woman who reported the object described it as a ball of fire
moving with no noise. It was not moving quickly, but the woman said
it was definitely propelled and not simply floating. UFOs had been sighted in the
same area lately. It was kind of said with this particular sighting, though
the witness she specifically stated when she gave a report that she didn't want her
name given for sure of ridicule. That said, that's really sad. You
know, I had an investigation with a police officer who had this incredible sighting
and he almost wouldn't give me his information to contact him back because he had
had this incredible bigfoot sighting where they put it on a television show with his
name, and he asked not to have his name because he was a police
officer. He didn't want people making fun of him, so it had a
real negative effect on his life back then. We hear a lot of that
working in this field, you know, or fortunate to work in the field
that we do. It's interesting because when you talk to people, you meet
people for the first time where he's in conversation and people find out what field
we're in, then all of a sudden, they feel comfortable. And it
seems like so many people come out with their own experiences, their own sightings,
their own stories. They finally feel that they can tell somebody without being
ridiculed because they know that this is what we do every day right right,
and they don't want to share it with the general public. Right, hopefully
that'll change. Yeah. The San Diego Air and Space Museum is currently hosting
an exhibit entitled The Science of Aliens. The exhibit is broken into four areas,
Alien Fiction, Alien Science, Alien World, and Alien Communication. Unfortunately,
the alien fiction area of the exhibit features content don donated by the International
UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, New Mexico, which gives the impression
that the Roswell incident was fiction. I find that kind of odd, and
it's interesting that the International Museum would donate staff because obviously they take Roswell very
seriously. I wonder if they knew they were going to put it in the
fiction section. I somehow doubt that they did. I know that it seems
very very odd. I mean fiction, you'd put Star Trek and Star Wars,
right, and that's what Some of the exhibit was, propitible movies and
things like that. Granted, they had some footage there I think from the
alien autopsy and things like that, but they also had this stuff donated by
the museum, which was an odd placement. I thought, Yeah, so
that is a traveling exhibit and it's been around the world, including Paris and
Tokyo, and the San Diego Airspace Museum is hosting it through the end of
the year. But that's kind of cool that an exhibit like that is in
just a normal museum. Yeah, and then they did have some positive stuff,
right, I mean, the guy who wrote the story, I think
even wrote that the Roswell stuff was a little convincing. As Nick Pope,
former Britain Ministry of Defense, has stated many times, UFO reports in UK
sorry are on a record high. Knowing this, it comes as no surprise
to see newspapers in Halifax and Calderdale announced that UFO sightings are on the rise
in the area. The Evening Courier reported last week that more people are reporting
seeing UFOs in the sky, and many of the witnesses describe very similar objects,
bright orange orbs or spears. Unfortunately, the behavior described by some of
the witnesses makes these objects sound very much like Chinese lanterns. They're described as
hovering in the sky for a few moments before disappearing all of a sudden.
That's how Only a handful have been described, but that seems to be without
actually seeing it. The description is very Chinese lantern like, which is something
that we're going to do real soon. We've got to get some Chinese lanterns
and float them and videotape them so we could show people what they look like.
Absolutely, I think it's very important for people to know these things,
what things in the sky look like, so they can distinguish with themselves.
And lastly, a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned a new book by
Leslie Keen entitled UFOs On the Record Generals, pilots and government officials Go on
the Record. Leslie Keen will actually be appearing on The Kobert Report tonight at
eleven thirty to talk about book. Our Arizona listeners might find it interesting to
know that former Arizona governor Fights Siming Tension contributed to the book. Yeah,
excellent. Hopefully I'll be on time when I get home to watch it me
too. We're out of time for the first segment of the show. Stay
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You're listening to Open Mindes Radio with Alejandro Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven
hundred. Welcome back, sure enough. As soon as I say there's no
commercials, someone in the chat says, what, I love commercials. I
think they're a kidding, but either way, we'll add a couple of commercials
to the upcoming show, just to make sure we've got all of our bases
covered. I did want to mention also a couple of the cool things that
we have at our website at Openminds dot tv. I always want to kind
of give you an update on some of the new stories. We have a
couple stories on pilot encounters with UFOs from Russia, the USSR, and CIA
is the Commonwealth of Independent States out there in the Russian area. And I
say USSR because some of these sightings are back during the Cold War. So
those are some really great stories. Also, I think I mentioned this before
because it was new on the last show, a French aerospace report that endorses
the reality of UFOs. Really, out of all the countries out there,
there are some that are supposedly releasing sanitized, you know, kind of UFO
reports and they say there's nothing to UFOs and they're releasing their investigations, even
though, like we've talked about the UK, they seem to really point towards
a total issue safety issue with UFOs flying over air bases and things like that.
But the French are actually doing investigations. They're the only country that is
not just releasing reports. They're officially and some of these aerospace companies are doing
full on investigations. They've got budgets, they've got scientists, and they're doing
some amazing stuff out there in France. So really France, the only country
really taking this stuff on, So way to go France. Jason court of
as our guest tonight, and I believe he is on the phone. Hello,
Hello, Hello. How's it going pretty good? How are you not
too bad? Little warm out here? Otherwise doing pretty good? So it's
cool to have you on the show. I know you've been talking about wanting
to come on the show, and I've wanted to come on for quite some
time, so it's fun to finally get you on here. Although you have
been on before once when with the Stan Romanik Witness Show. I guess yeah,
it was when you it was still with the UFO thinking oh before ops,
way back in the day, way back in the day. So I've
talked about you know, first, let's talk about your degree in aerospace operations
real quick. If you can kind of explain to people what that is.
Does that mean that you are certified and to fly spacecraft? I wish know.
Basically what my degree prepares me for is it's basically a project management logistics
type of type of things, with a heavy background in the aerospace industry as
well as mechanical engineering. My minor with a heavy emphasis on the space aspect
and commercialized space operations, specifically very Cool, which is an up and coming
industry. Yes it is, which I know you keep a very close eye
on. Try to well along with that, I was hoping you could share
with us then your recent story of the class that you took with those if
you know what I mean. Oh yeah, the basically long story short,
it's a class to learn how to use the updates on this powerful physics modeling
program and it's used throughout the aerospace industry for primarily tracking satellites. A contractor
buys a satellite, they put it up in in space, and they want
to be able to deal with their spacecraft, so everybody uses the Boeing Lockey.
The Air Force Air Force Base coman and I was down there in Colorado
Springs doing taking this class, and there were a number of Air Force officers
there with US Air Force officers and analysted both and we had some off time
and I was chatting with one female captain and she I had asked a question
about their patch, as you know, and I don't know how familiar the
listeners are with it, but the Air Force Space Command patch has this really
neat logo which the artwork is basically depicts a globe with some orbit, kind
of like an orbit around the globe, with a silver or gray delta shaped
object suspended in the center just above the globe. And I was asking their
side of what the patch is supposed to mean, and one of the enlisted
Air Force personnel explained that it was the it was supposed to represent the actual
spacecraft. And I said, oh, really, that's interesting, like,
are there any spacecraft that actually look like that? And she paused and looked
at the captain really quick, and the captain kind of chuckled and said,
oh, we're not supposed to talk about that. Yeah, what a cool
story. Yeah, And they changed the subject and we went on with the
class. Because of course, you know, like you said, it's got
that delta shape. There are also some stars that represent obviously satellites orbiting the
planet. But you know, you see in these space command logos is delta
shape which seems to represent a spacecraft, but you know, nobody but NASA
is supposed to be flying spacecraft. And you're like, you know, what
the heck here people? So it's funny you asked, and it's an interesting
answer you got. Yeah, And that as another point to that even though
NASA supposedly is supposed to be the only people flying spacecraft, it's obvious that
I mean, the Air Force and the Navy and all the armed service branches
do operate spacecraft, and in fact, a number of NASA missions are top
secret military operations. Right. And you know, Michael Shratt, of course,
who you're familiar with, did some interesting lectures and move on. He
does a great lecture recently and you can see one of his lectures online at
open minds dot tv where he talks about black projects and some of these clear
evidence back in the eighties, even these craft that could break orbit and all
of a sudden, I mean next generation space shuttles where they just go totally
black. I mean they had built these craft and then all of a sudden
their top secret. So obviously it seems like they're out there. So hopefully
you'll get to work on when soon. That would be pretty cool. I
also wanted to get into, of course, the cryptoscience society, and we
don't have a whole lot of time, but you know what was a purpose
in creating that, Well, the purpose really was to one to get young
people involved in in the topics of just strange phenomenon in general. And two
was to pay some academic attention to it, to bring research and studying of
this stuff into an academic life. Do you think you were successful in those
two areas? I do whom and which one? Even the academic part.
I really I think both. Actually, it's really impressed me with how successful
it has been, at least at our school, and there is a little
bit of so far. There's been some attention and some interest in some other
schools nearby of founding their own chapters, but definitely the young people. It's
what the younger generation likes. Cool. Well, what we'll do when we
get back from this break is we'll talk about specifics and the approach you took
to each of those two points and how you got successful on both of those
two areas. So stay tuned. We'll be right back talking more about the
Cryptoscience Society. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher
and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We're talking with
Jason Cordova and started the to Science Society, a successful college paranormal research organization,
and Jason I wanted to ask you, then, what did you see
lacking in the like move on meetings sort of the paranormal meetings with the A
RP group that you felt needed to be adjusted and that you did adjust to
to attract the younger group. Well, the interactivity I think would probably be
the biggest thing that tends to be lacking with with a lot of those groups
is just you know, particularly with younger people, you know you're not going
to want to go and after especially school age type people aren't gonna want to
go sit in class all day listening to lectures all day and then come and
spend their free time listening to another lecture. Even if it is a very
riveting and exciting topic, it's not the best for attracting a new audience,
and I think new people in general kind of solapprehensive to jump into that.
So then you did something different with your meetings and so how did you structure
them? Well, I think a benefit of being a smaller group, it
was able to flourish with the idea of just making it participatory. So all
of the members basically took a turn every month researching a different topic of their
choosing everything from the spring heel jack to mothman, phantom panthers, spontaneous combustion,
things like that, taking turns, writing a two or three page research
report on the topic, and then presenting it at the meeting to the other
members, opening it up for discussion, and in addition to that, doing
interactive investigator training at every meeting too. That makes a lot of sense,
you know. It's it's getting people involved. And I can see and this
is the funny part, because I can see why the you know, researchers
who have been in this for literally decades, they want because they've done research
for decades, they want people to hear what they they've learned and discovered,
as opposed to sitting down and talking with some kid who you know, they
don't think has been in this long enough to know anything. And that's the
biggest rub, And it's kind of funny. It'd be humbling for the researchers,
but it's important, I think obviously these younger people want to be heard
and they want to talk about it. You don't want to just sit and
listen. Well that and I think it's also very refreshing too. I think
most of most of my student colleagues are coming from very different backgrounds and positions.
You know, not everybody's coming from a scientific background and not everybody's coming
from just very different places. And the level of objectivity I think they're bringing
to it, and just the difference of viewpoints that they bring to it opens
things up and you start asking different questions. You know, you tend to
get pigeonholed in some of the conventional group thinking in you know that a phenomenon
is a certain thing or it's doing a certain thing, because you know,
we start to assume a lot and the students are bringing such new, refreshing
ideas to it. It's just constantly reshaped and changing it. So, yeah,
that's the end. It reminds me of because I was, you know,
taking classes even last semester before I came out to Arizona, and you
know, in your classes you're supposed to debate. So one thing I was
going to ask, which I'm sure it's similar to in a class, are
people pretty civil with each other in in the meetings? Ye? Yeah,
they tend to be. Definitely. Occasionally personalities get start bucking heads, but
they are definitely very civil to each other. And in the end, everybody's
respectful. Did people really get involved and excited about the investigator training also?
Yes, absolutely, that's that there's always more, uh, they always want
more from it. That's probably why the ghost hunting gets so popular because so
many people go out and actually do it, including which we did for the
cryptoscience when for instance, it's is the one that freaks people out a lot.
When you were able to arrange for us to spend the night in a
graveyard that supposedly had a lot of activity, Yes, and there was quite
a group of people that went out there, and a lot of press coverage
as well. Yes, that was actually I think our first formal expedition and
expeditions are great because they really get allow people to get a hands on experience
with it. You know, you sit there all day and talk about you
know, skills and researching and go talking to people interview with a witness.
But when we've got a report of some real activity and we have an opportunity
to assemble a team and go out there and and take it on firsthand,
then then it's real and people are really excited to do that. And I
think we learned we learned a lot from that particular investigation. Yeah, do
you think did you ever have situations where people went on some of these outings
and got so freaked out they didn't come back, or did you did you
find that at all? It's it's definitely the kind of thing that weeds out
personalities that really don't have the discipline to be in it. I wouldn't say
that any particular phenomenon or any experiences freaked people out enough. I think it
was more that they experienced the hard work involved and and didn't have the discipline
to pursue it from that ah, but then were there. I'm sure there
were also people that got inspired and excited to do more. Yes, yes,
definitely one of my one of our most valuable members over the years,
because Kevin Harris. He's he started out very reluctant, very very skeptical,
and experienced some things firsthand and hooked him, got him into it. He's
in a theoretical mathematician and a renaissance man in general, and he he definitely
was approaching it from a very skeptical objective view, and he heard some anomalous
sounds when we were down in Nativily, and I think that got him that.
I'm hoping, Yeah, that's exciting because one thing that you know,
for you listeners, you can check you can check the Cryptoscience YouTube page,
right, I think you have it up there, because those were some of
the coolest EVPs you know, I've ever heard in an investigation that you guys
got there. Yes, actually they are. Well, there's the one that's
my favorite EVP that I've ever heard of any investigation anybody's ever done, is
the one that sounds to me like the Little Girls Sign. And yeah,
they are on the YouTube page. They're also on the Cryptoscience Society homepage.
And actually Kevin did some really good and analysis on those particular EVPs and determined
that they don't have echoes, which is particularly interesting, right, anything that
happens in the physical universe, obviously, if you're making a sound, it
should have an echo, especially down there in the bowels of Sativily where everything's
stone and there's a lot of echoing down there. Yep, it's a it's
basically it's an artificial cave. It was designed that way in order to maintain
the temperature of the beer when it needs to be a brewery and they were
stored, so yeah, definitely phenomenalist sounds and anomalists lack of echo. So
that's what I mean. If you were to give advice, it would seem
like giving advice to any group out there, such as let's say move on,
because we're both very familiar with that. In getting younger people, they
either if they don't do it in their regular meetings, they got to have
an offshoot meeting where they create space for people to do some investigation on a
training way and also have some communication like a forum. Let people talk with
each other about all of this right absolutely, and and allow feedback. Let
let let people, let people provide some suggestions, and if they have a
project or something in mind, let it go, let it happen. That's
actually kind of you know. We we started out doing things fairly conventionally just
to get the ball rolling and get some attention and recognition. We started we
had a lecture meeting once a month. As as people started getting more involved,
we started getting some suggestions and one of the one of the women in
the group, Sandra Has, she started bringing up her ideas of a class
that she is to have and this this kind of open forum like research topic
type of thing, and that was that was a lot of her idea and
she pushed that. So listening to your people and allowing the suggestions to take
form. Cool. Yeah, well, we got to take another break.
When we get back, we're going to talk more about the faculty and getting
some of the academia involved with your investigation and how that evolved over time.
We're talking to Jason Cordova about the cryptoso Science Society. We'll be back in
a minute. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Balu Dupsha, Welcome back
to Open Minds Radio. Here now former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network,
your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All of a sudden,
I'm getting a little sentimental. This is the last segment I'll be doing
here on camfin X. I'm going to miss the CAF and X. Kreuk
is a are awesome. I really liked everybody here at CAMF and X.
So want to get that in before I run out of time, because I
always run out and say, oh yeah, I'm not. At the end
of the show, Jason, they were talking about paranormal and the Cryptoscience Society.
I wanted to ask about because I know you had this issue where you
had to find a faculty advisor, and that became a little difficult. How
did that evolve? I mean, did you find problems, of course with
people taking your idea seriously? Yes and no. At first, really the
first incarnation of that was that I was fortunate enough that the Student Activities Office
was helpful and they agreed to what the director. The director agreed to serve
as an interim faculty advisor until I could find someone just to get the ball
rolling, and that took a little bit of searching, and then all of
a sudden, it just kind of happened. One day, ironically, the
administrative assistant for the Aviation department agreed to serve as a faculty advisor, and
the next thing I knew, I had faculty members from my own department coming
up to me asking me questions about paranormal matters and kind of almost covertly,
and they were kind of cautious, and they almost seemed a little bit embarrassed
at first, and then reassured, and to the point where I actually have
had some faculty members going out and doing some investigations for us, you know,
taken taking a a couple like a camera or something here and there to
this bed and breakfast that they stayed at, and they wanted to check some
stuff out and wanted to ask my opinion upon it. So, uh,
definitely evolved and definitely did it served its purpose by by lending legitimacy and credibility.
Mm hmm. Now did you what was kind of maybe one of the
more shocking instances where you had a faculty member perhaps come to you, uh
and share and experience and change from you know, hesitant to enthusiastic. Well,
I would probably use the example I was referring to as one of the
one of the teachers in the aerospace department came to me, uh, saying,
hey, I stayed at this bed and breakfast and I had these some
some weird things happened to me. I was a bed and breakfast open and
has this park and he actually had the blanket pulled off of him. Uh,
there was some I think there was some rustling. The window might have
even opened. Uh, and uh, he was just freaked out and he
was, you know, he's like, I'm a pilot. He was also
an Air Force Reserve officer. And you know these people, they these kind
of people there, they're nuts and bolts. They got to stick to their
guns and trust their instruments. So they go off data and he was shown
some data and he didn't know what to do with it, so he said,
what do I do? What should I do? If I go back
again? I recommended he'd take a camera and just the basic stuff. I
offered to let him borrow some equipment out of our out of our equipment walker
and take it with him. He ended up just taking a couple uh the
digital camera and took some pictures. Actually got got some alright ORB photos.
He didn't he wasn't too impressed with them himself. But he also went to
the Stanley Hotel and and did some digging in there, and we debriefed and
looked over the data afterwards. But that's pretty cool. Yeah, that was
pretty neat. Did any of them share some UFO stories with you? Trying
to remember? I'm I'm sure they have there, there's so many uh so,
would you say then the faculty in general became pretty enthusiastic about what you're
doing? Yes, yes, actually they have. They acknowledged what I was
doing and what was going on. And I think as as far as the
UFO thing goes, I don't I didn't have any of the teachers sharing UFO
encounters, at least none in the aerospace department. But I think they're still
worried about that stigma. But I think his time will go. They'll they'll
loosen up a little more and then the newer generation. Though, I had
a lot of fellow students that in the aerospace department and throughout campus that were
very enthusiastic and wanting to share stories and things that like that. Yeah,
that's pretty exciting. So now you're working on expanding it to whether universities or
colleges, And you say you've had some response. Yes, a couple,
just a couple mutual friends who happened to be attending schools at University of Colorado
and Boulder and CSU and four Collins. There was some interest, kind of
friend of a friend said something about having some interest at Read's University, but
that never actually panned out. But there is some definite interest at CSU and
CEU. Oh, and now do you actually colleague with move on? An
investigator is going back for grad school at DU and she wants to she wants
to try to do something with it there. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
It's exciting. It's you know, it's something that of course is scientific as
we know. So, I mean, there is certainly some help that could
be gained from making student organizations. Like you said, these students become faculty,
and once, like your experience, once the students take it serious,
faculty then begins to get involved as well. Right, right. And the
fact that the student organization itself is an extension of the college. They're officially
recognized by the institution, and that in and of itself lends a lot of
credibility to what we do. And one thing leads to another. Oh no,
somebody asked, what is the strangest thing you have ever seen? And
I don't know that we have time for you to get into your stories,
which I wanted to get into, because you've had a couple amazing stories.
Maybe what is the strangest one that you would say? And if you could
quickly go through what happened the strangest experience I've ever had ye in my life?
Yeah, what strangest thing you've ever seen? Well, it would probably
be my original UFO sighting when I was about ten years old. It was
in the Rolling Fork Valley when we used to live up there and I saw
what appeared to be five foot diameter glass ball with an amber colored light emine
and get out of the center, zigzagged across the field across the river from
our house, came and hovered by the window for a little bit and zipped
off, zipped off up the river upstream. And then what'd you go tell
your dad? This was funny? Yeah? I went and told him there's
this white outside, got to come see it, And he said, shut
up and go to sleep. I said, well, if we wake up
on Alpha Santari, it's not my fault. Well, we're out of time,
so this is the last of our short shows. We'll have to have
you on again, where we'll talk about the other experiences you've had and maybe
some of our shared experiences that'll probably be really fun to go through. But
thanks for being on the show. What is the website for the Crypto Science
Society. It's MSCD dot edu slash Tilda Crypto, but the best way to
get to it is just Google Google Crypto Science Society. Thanks Jason. Join
us next week, remember at seven pm at Openminds dot TV. We're gonna
have George Weiler, a US Air Force officer who chased UFOs and was involved
with aliens being shot into Air Force base. So you're not gonna want to
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