WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:07.480 Welcome to Open Mindes Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for 2 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:12.919 the Mutual UFO Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.760 nearly a decade and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close 4 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:22.800 and personal, and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:29.120 the UFO phenomenon. Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to 6 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:34.840 Open Minds Radio. You heard that right. It is nine pm and one 7 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:40.280 hundred and two degrees here in Arizona. I'm sure some of you are freaking 8 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:46.439 out running around in circles with your arms waving above your head to hear that. 9 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:50.200 But actually, you know what, I'm loving it out here. I 10 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:54.479 love all the sunshine. So all of you concerned people who are always saying, 11 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:59.039 how do you do it? Man, It's not that bad. Really, 12 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.479 well, it's not like I'm gonna go for a bike ride where I's 13 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:04.560 talking with someone else. Not going for a bike ride. Tonight a little 14 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:11.879 too hot for that. But it's perfect to be indoors listening to the radio 15 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:18.200 or in your car with your AC listening to open minds, especially tonight because 16 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:26.000 our guest is my superb cousin, Jason Cordova, And that's really cool because 17 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:32.280 he has been my partner in paranormal investigation for a long time at least, 18 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:36.359 you know, after he got out of the Navy and after he deprogrammed his 19 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:42.439 mind a little bit from the Navy and then got you know, back into 20 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:46.920 school and got into the swing of things. And it's pretty cool because what 21 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:53.079 he then did at the college you just graduated from with a degree in aerospace 22 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.760 operations, which is pretty cool. That's just a cool name. Aerospace operations. 23 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.319 Now, if you're going to work in like if the star Trek world, 24 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:08.759 in the engineering area of the enterprise, that's the kind of degree you 25 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:13.919 got to get, I think from Starfleet Academy. He didn't go to Starfleet 26 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.080 Academy though, he went to Metro State College, and as I was saying, 27 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:22.840 when he was there, he started up a paranormal group called the Cryptoscience 28 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:28.479 Society. He says, it's an organition organization dedicated to the study of unusual 29 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:34.000 phenomenon. Actually now he's since he's founded it, but he's graduated. He's 30 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.479 an alumni and he's trying to help get this group throughout the country, and 31 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:44.039 they were actually very successful. One thing that he noted, which everybody notes 32 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:50.719 in this field, is that there aren't very many younger people in paranormal research. 33 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.039 I was shocked when I went to my first MOOFON meeting and it was 34 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:00.000 like an ARP meeting. No offense to the people my mentors and colleagues who 35 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.599 I love. I mean, everybody's over fifty years old. That's a fifty 36 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.800 sixty and above. And I'm not kidding a lot. You know, the 37 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:14.199 curve the middle age is up there, so everybody wants to get the younger 38 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.840 kids involved, and Jason identified that, but he went about it in a 39 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:23.560 way that was just a little different from I think what people normally want to 40 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:27.639 happen. And we'll talk about that, how he was successful, why, 41 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:32.039 and I'm sure he's going to be successful in getting a network going throughout colleges 42 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:37.080 and universities to actually already talk to some people to do that. So we'll 43 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:42.080 talk more about that. We'll talk more about paranormal investigations we've done, and 44 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:46.800 all kinds of cool stuff like that coming up in just a minute. Also, 45 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:52.400 for those of you who don't like commercials. Quit whining because that's how 46 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:58.280 people make money. But your winding work because I hear you personally, I 47 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:02.000 hate commercials myself. An I don't watch TV with commercials. If there's a 48 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:06.439 commercial that comes on, I'm gonna change the channel, and I'm possibly not 49 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.879 even gonna change the channel back to what I was watching before, because I 50 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.280 don't like the commercials. In fact, most likely, what I'll do is 51 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.120 start watching things until I find a show like a PBS where there's no commercials. 52 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:23.160 That's why I watch so much c Span the book part because you know 53 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.759 there's no commercials on this, so you can watch the whole thing, So 54 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.920 that might be a good thing. This is a lot for public television. 55 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:32.839 But anyways, we're gonna be going strictly online, so you can go to 56 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:39.360 Openminds dot tv to listen to us if you're one of our new Phoenix area 57 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:44.480 buddies. Also, we're podcasted and we have archives online. You can see 58 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.639 us on ustream. Go to our website the radio page. If you're like 59 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.959 the visual stuff, you can watch us. If you like the audio, 60 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:55.319 while you're off doing other stuff, you can listen. You know, we've 61 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.079 got lots of options for you guys here. So we're gonna be going to 62 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.720 a new time. Also, we're going to go to seven pm on Mondays, 63 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.360 so we'll be a little earlier, a couple hours earlier, which is 64 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:11.560 going to be good for our East Coast buddies who don't have to stay up 65 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.279 to the middle of the night anymore to listen live. And the reason why 66 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:17.399 you want to listen live is because we've got chat going on at u stream 67 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:23.199 and at blog talk. Just go to our website actually and on the radio 68 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.639 tab and you can chat with us where we're doing this whole thing. And 69 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:29.120 as you know, if you've been listening to the show, I asked questions 70 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:33.199 from the chat often, so changes to the radio station. Did I forget 71 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:39.800 anything because I always forget something longer, I always forget some point. It's 72 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.360 also going to be a longer show, so we're going to be an hour 73 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.920 and a half instead of an hour because a lot of you were saying you're 74 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.279 not getting in depth. Your show is awful, it's short, and it's 75 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:53.199 really making me mad. So I was like, hey, man, chill, 76 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.920 okay, we'll change it, you know, just kidding, But yeah, 77 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.800 a lot of people did want some longer stuff. So we've got a 78 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:01.959 lot on your show. So that's gonna be really cool as usual, and 79 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.720 we'll have a commercial coming up on it, I'm sure. With the UFO 80 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:10.040 Congress coming up, I'm always talking about that. I'm just so excited we've 81 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.000 confirmed the SkyWatch that we're gonna be doing out in the desert in this incredible 82 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.000 location here in Arizona. And after a Friday night Franks where Native Americans come 83 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:24.000 and tell some stories. It's just fun get together thing for the whole community. 84 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.279 After that, you know where, we got bonfires, We're eating hot 85 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.519 dogs, we're drinking beer after that. I don't drink much so and I'm 86 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.519 not gonna drink neither is Jason rink because we're gonna eat a hot dog either. 87 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:38.920 I'm not gonna eat a hot dog because I'm a vegetarian. But after 88 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:43.600 all of that fun, we're gonna SkyWatch and look for some UFOs and I'm 89 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.959 pretty sure we're gonna see them. We're gonna have stand roman X some other 90 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.839 abductees, and we may even see somebody get abducted. That would be the 91 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:54.240 first time someone's been filmed abducted that I would know that would be incredible, 92 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:59.120 So come make that happen. Help us make that happen. You can find 93 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.959 out more about the gear Congress at ufocongress dot com that's going to be in 94 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:09.639 late February, or go to our website, but without further ado. Every 95 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:16.160 day on Open mindsack TV, practically we've got news headlines from conventional news around 96 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:21.000 the world because UFOs is a big story around the world. Are news correspondent 97 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:28.680 Jason McClellan is here to tell us all about it. Greeting Zalehandro, Hello 98 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.519 Phoenix, and Hello world. This is your Open Minds news brief for Monday, 99 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:38.199 August twenty third, twenty ten. Several British travel companies are trying to 100 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:43.480 push something a little different, UFO tourism. The unusual new marketing effort by 101 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:48.319 travel companies hopes to transform destinations with frequent UFO activity into money making tourist destinations 102 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:54.879 for UFO hunters. Regular UFO activity in Cyprus has the location being pushed by 103 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:59.240 the travel companies. Other places known for UFOs have been successful at becoming tourist 104 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.240 destinations. Roswell, New Mexico. So the idea of UFO tourism isn't a 105 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.680 new one, but it seems to be gaining in popularity. In fact, 106 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.079 the Travel Channel just even aired a special about Area fifty one in Nevada. 107 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.279 Yeah, that Travel Channel. It's funny. They have a lot of really 108 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.360 cool shows. I mean, paranormal is a travel a tourism type of thing. 109 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.360 There's lots of hotels and staff for ghost hnding and things like that, 110 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.600 so it works. I mean, rachel Nevada, their Area fifty one would 111 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.199 probably have nobody there if it wasn't for Area fifty one, right, And 112 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.200 like you said, the hotels with the ghosts, I mean that's very popular 113 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.240 all around Arizona. There are a lot of yeah, popular hotels for that. 114 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.360 We always seem to have UFO Siddings to report from the UK. Here's 115 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:48.360 another siding from last week. A mysterious orange fiery globe was observe observed above 116 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.320 Edmonton. The woman who reported the object described it as a ball of fire 117 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.279 moving with no noise. It was not moving quickly, but the woman said 118 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.080 it was definitely propelled and not simply floating. UFOs had been sighted in the 119 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.799 same area lately. It was kind of said with this particular sighting, though 120 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:09.240 the witness she specifically stated when she gave a report that she didn't want her 121 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.000 name given for sure of ridicule. That said, that's really sad. You 122 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:18.799 know, I had an investigation with a police officer who had this incredible sighting 123 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:24.919 and he almost wouldn't give me his information to contact him back because he had 124 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:31.639 had this incredible bigfoot sighting where they put it on a television show with his 125 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:33.519 name, and he asked not to have his name because he was a police 126 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.240 officer. He didn't want people making fun of him, so it had a 127 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.639 real negative effect on his life back then. We hear a lot of that 128 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.360 working in this field, you know, or fortunate to work in the field 129 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.600 that we do. It's interesting because when you talk to people, you meet 130 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.639 people for the first time where he's in conversation and people find out what field 131 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.120 we're in, then all of a sudden, they feel comfortable. And it 132 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.000 seems like so many people come out with their own experiences, their own sightings, 133 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:01.960 their own stories. They finally feel that they can tell somebody without being 134 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.879 ridiculed because they know that this is what we do every day right right, 135 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.080 and they don't want to share it with the general public. Right, hopefully 136 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:15.399 that'll change. Yeah. The San Diego Air and Space Museum is currently hosting 137 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:20.000 an exhibit entitled The Science of Aliens. The exhibit is broken into four areas, 138 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.919 Alien Fiction, Alien Science, Alien World, and Alien Communication. Unfortunately, 139 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:31.399 the alien fiction area of the exhibit features content don donated by the International 140 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.320 UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, New Mexico, which gives the impression 141 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.799 that the Roswell incident was fiction. I find that kind of odd, and 142 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:45.559 it's interesting that the International Museum would donate staff because obviously they take Roswell very 143 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.000 seriously. I wonder if they knew they were going to put it in the 144 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:54.200 fiction section. I somehow doubt that they did. I know that it seems 145 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:58.120 very very odd. I mean fiction, you'd put Star Trek and Star Wars, 146 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.039 right, and that's what Some of the exhibit was, propitible movies and 147 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.080 things like that. Granted, they had some footage there I think from the 148 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.600 alien autopsy and things like that, but they also had this stuff donated by 149 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:16.519 the museum, which was an odd placement. I thought, Yeah, so 150 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:22.159 that is a traveling exhibit and it's been around the world, including Paris and 151 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.200 Tokyo, and the San Diego Airspace Museum is hosting it through the end of 152 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:30.120 the year. But that's kind of cool that an exhibit like that is in 153 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.720 just a normal museum. Yeah, and then they did have some positive stuff, 154 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.720 right, I mean, the guy who wrote the story, I think 155 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:43.159 even wrote that the Roswell stuff was a little convincing. As Nick Pope, 156 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:48.759 former Britain Ministry of Defense, has stated many times, UFO reports in UK 157 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:54.000 sorry are on a record high. Knowing this, it comes as no surprise 158 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.960 to see newspapers in Halifax and Calderdale announced that UFO sightings are on the rise 159 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:03.720 in the area. The Evening Courier reported last week that more people are reporting 160 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.039 seeing UFOs in the sky, and many of the witnesses describe very similar objects, 161 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.159 bright orange orbs or spears. Unfortunately, the behavior described by some of 162 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.960 the witnesses makes these objects sound very much like Chinese lanterns. They're described as 163 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.440 hovering in the sky for a few moments before disappearing all of a sudden. 164 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.440 That's how Only a handful have been described, but that seems to be without 165 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.000 actually seeing it. The description is very Chinese lantern like, which is something 166 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.679 that we're going to do real soon. We've got to get some Chinese lanterns 167 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.879 and float them and videotape them so we could show people what they look like. 168 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.200 Absolutely, I think it's very important for people to know these things, 169 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.200 what things in the sky look like, so they can distinguish with themselves. 170 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.960 And lastly, a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned a new book by 171 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.840 Leslie Keen entitled UFOs On the Record Generals, pilots and government officials Go on 172 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.559 the Record. Leslie Keen will actually be appearing on The Kobert Report tonight at 173 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:01.960 eleven thirty to talk about book. Our Arizona listeners might find it interesting to 174 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.679 know that former Arizona governor Fights Siming Tension contributed to the book. Yeah, 175 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.720 excellent. Hopefully I'll be on time when I get home to watch it me 176 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:15.000 too. We're out of time for the first segment of the show. Stay 177 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:35.039 tuned, we'll be back with Jason Cordovum. Open Minds Production is Probate present 178 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.320 the twentyth anniversary of the International UFO Congress coming to its new home with the 179 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.759 Rattisonmportment Galley Ort in Casino at South till Arizona. This is the premier annual 180 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:45.919 event for UFO researchers, enthusiasts, and the general public with an interest in 181 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.919 mysterious phenomena. Un listen as expert euthologists, government officials, and respected scientists 182 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:54.399 presenting information relating the UFOs, extraterrestrials, crop circles, abductions, cover ups, 183 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.440 and more. The largest UFO conference in the country, twentieth Anniversary of 184 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.679 the International UFO Congress, takes place February twenty third two. We're twenty seven 185 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.519 to the Ufocongress dot com for more informations, including sponsorship and vendor opportunities. 186 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:11.039 You're listening to Open Mindes Radio with Alejandro Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven 187 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:16.039 hundred. Welcome back, sure enough. As soon as I say there's no 188 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.840 commercials, someone in the chat says, what, I love commercials. I 189 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.279 think they're a kidding, but either way, we'll add a couple of commercials 190 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.440 to the upcoming show, just to make sure we've got all of our bases 191 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.120 covered. I did want to mention also a couple of the cool things that 192 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.799 we have at our website at Openminds dot tv. I always want to kind 193 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.759 of give you an update on some of the new stories. We have a 194 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:48.840 couple stories on pilot encounters with UFOs from Russia, the USSR, and CIA 195 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:54.480 is the Commonwealth of Independent States out there in the Russian area. And I 196 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.279 say USSR because some of these sightings are back during the Cold War. So 197 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.519 those are some really great stories. Also, I think I mentioned this before 198 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:09.759 because it was new on the last show, a French aerospace report that endorses 199 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.000 the reality of UFOs. Really, out of all the countries out there, 200 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:22.000 there are some that are supposedly releasing sanitized, you know, kind of UFO 201 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:28.279 reports and they say there's nothing to UFOs and they're releasing their investigations, even 202 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.480 though, like we've talked about the UK, they seem to really point towards 203 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:39.679 a total issue safety issue with UFOs flying over air bases and things like that. 204 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:46.000 But the French are actually doing investigations. They're the only country that is 205 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:52.399 not just releasing reports. They're officially and some of these aerospace companies are doing 206 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.159 full on investigations. They've got budgets, they've got scientists, and they're doing 207 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.720 some amazing stuff out there in France. So really France, the only country 208 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:06.799 really taking this stuff on, So way to go France. Jason court of 209 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.279 as our guest tonight, and I believe he is on the phone. Hello, 210 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:17.600 Hello, Hello. How's it going pretty good? How are you not 211 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:22.440 too bad? Little warm out here? Otherwise doing pretty good? So it's 212 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.440 cool to have you on the show. I know you've been talking about wanting 213 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.080 to come on the show, and I've wanted to come on for quite some 214 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:32.600 time, so it's fun to finally get you on here. Although you have 215 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:37.000 been on before once when with the Stan Romanik Witness Show. I guess yeah, 216 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:44.120 it was when you it was still with the UFO thinking oh before ops, 217 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:49.080 way back in the day, way back in the day. So I've 218 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:53.240 talked about you know, first, let's talk about your degree in aerospace operations 219 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:56.720 real quick. If you can kind of explain to people what that is. 220 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:07.880 Does that mean that you are certified and to fly spacecraft? I wish know. 221 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:17.240 Basically what my degree prepares me for is it's basically a project management logistics 222 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:26.720 type of type of things, with a heavy background in the aerospace industry as 223 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:34.119 well as mechanical engineering. My minor with a heavy emphasis on the space aspect 224 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:41.839 and commercialized space operations, specifically very Cool, which is an up and coming 225 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.880 industry. Yes it is, which I know you keep a very close eye 226 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:53.039 on. Try to well along with that, I was hoping you could share 227 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:59.440 with us then your recent story of the class that you took with those if 228 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:07.279 you know what I mean. Oh yeah, the basically long story short, 229 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.799 it's a class to learn how to use the updates on this powerful physics modeling 230 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:25.079 program and it's used throughout the aerospace industry for primarily tracking satellites. A contractor 231 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:30.200 buys a satellite, they put it up in in space, and they want 232 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:36.240 to be able to deal with their spacecraft, so everybody uses the Boeing Lockey. 233 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:42.519 The Air Force Air Force Base coman and I was down there in Colorado 234 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:49.680 Springs doing taking this class, and there were a number of Air Force officers 235 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:56.799 there with US Air Force officers and analysted both and we had some off time 236 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:06.079 and I was chatting with one female captain and she I had asked a question 237 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:12.920 about their patch, as you know, and I don't know how familiar the 238 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:18.279 listeners are with it, but the Air Force Space Command patch has this really 239 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:26.839 neat logo which the artwork is basically depicts a globe with some orbit, kind 240 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.720 of like an orbit around the globe, with a silver or gray delta shaped 241 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:41.240 object suspended in the center just above the globe. And I was asking their 242 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:48.200 side of what the patch is supposed to mean, and one of the enlisted 243 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:56.480 Air Force personnel explained that it was the it was supposed to represent the actual 244 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.400 spacecraft. And I said, oh, really, that's interesting, like, 245 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:06.680 are there any spacecraft that actually look like that? And she paused and looked 246 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.079 at the captain really quick, and the captain kind of chuckled and said, 247 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:11.799 oh, we're not supposed to talk about that. Yeah, what a cool 248 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.480 story. Yeah, And they changed the subject and we went on with the 249 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.079 class. Because of course, you know, like you said, it's got 250 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:26.000 that delta shape. There are also some stars that represent obviously satellites orbiting the 251 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:29.559 planet. But you know, you see in these space command logos is delta 252 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:33.960 shape which seems to represent a spacecraft, but you know, nobody but NASA 253 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.519 is supposed to be flying spacecraft. And you're like, you know, what 254 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.319 the heck here people? So it's funny you asked, and it's an interesting 255 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:48.000 answer you got. Yeah, And that as another point to that even though 256 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.839 NASA supposedly is supposed to be the only people flying spacecraft, it's obvious that 257 00:20:53.480 --> 00:21:00.559 I mean, the Air Force and the Navy and all the armed service branches 258 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:08.400 do operate spacecraft, and in fact, a number of NASA missions are top 259 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:17.279 secret military operations. Right. And you know, Michael Shratt, of course, 260 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:21.759 who you're familiar with, did some interesting lectures and move on. He 261 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.200 does a great lecture recently and you can see one of his lectures online at 262 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:32.119 open minds dot tv where he talks about black projects and some of these clear 263 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:38.680 evidence back in the eighties, even these craft that could break orbit and all 264 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:44.200 of a sudden, I mean next generation space shuttles where they just go totally 265 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.519 black. I mean they had built these craft and then all of a sudden 266 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.680 their top secret. So obviously it seems like they're out there. So hopefully 267 00:21:52.720 --> 00:22:00.119 you'll get to work on when soon. That would be pretty cool. I 268 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.200 also wanted to get into, of course, the cryptoscience society, and we 269 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.480 don't have a whole lot of time, but you know what was a purpose 270 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:15.160 in creating that, Well, the purpose really was to one to get young 271 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:25.079 people involved in in the topics of just strange phenomenon in general. And two 272 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:33.079 was to pay some academic attention to it, to bring research and studying of 273 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:40.519 this stuff into an academic life. Do you think you were successful in those 274 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:48.160 two areas? I do whom and which one? Even the academic part. 275 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:55.880 I really I think both. Actually, it's really impressed me with how successful 276 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:59.799 it has been, at least at our school, and there is a little 277 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:03.920 bit of so far. There's been some attention and some interest in some other 278 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:11.839 schools nearby of founding their own chapters, but definitely the young people. It's 279 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:17.519 what the younger generation likes. Cool. Well, what we'll do when we 280 00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:22.200 get back from this break is we'll talk about specifics and the approach you took 281 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:27.039 to each of those two points and how you got successful on both of those 282 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:33.599 two areas. So stay tuned. We'll be right back talking more about the 283 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:51.279 Cryptoscience Society. This is Open Minds Radio here again your host UFO paranormal researcher 284 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:56.839 and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We're talking with 285 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:04.759 Jason Cordova and started the to Science Society, a successful college paranormal research organization, 286 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.599 and Jason I wanted to ask you, then, what did you see 287 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:15.200 lacking in the like move on meetings sort of the paranormal meetings with the A 288 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:22.640 RP group that you felt needed to be adjusted and that you did adjust to 289 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:30.119 to attract the younger group. Well, the interactivity I think would probably be 290 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:37.759 the biggest thing that tends to be lacking with with a lot of those groups 291 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:42.839 is just you know, particularly with younger people, you know you're not going 292 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:51.599 to want to go and after especially school age type people aren't gonna want to 293 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:56.240 go sit in class all day listening to lectures all day and then come and 294 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.319 spend their free time listening to another lecture. Even if it is a very 295 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:07.319 riveting and exciting topic, it's not the best for attracting a new audience, 296 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:14.640 and I think new people in general kind of solapprehensive to jump into that. 297 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:19.279 So then you did something different with your meetings and so how did you structure 298 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:27.000 them? Well, I think a benefit of being a smaller group, it 299 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:37.559 was able to flourish with the idea of just making it participatory. So all 300 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:42.799 of the members basically took a turn every month researching a different topic of their 301 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:52.039 choosing everything from the spring heel jack to mothman, phantom panthers, spontaneous combustion, 302 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:59.519 things like that, taking turns, writing a two or three page research 303 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.759 report on the topic, and then presenting it at the meeting to the other 304 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:10.839 members, opening it up for discussion, and in addition to that, doing 305 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:17.359 interactive investigator training at every meeting too. That makes a lot of sense, 306 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.640 you know. It's it's getting people involved. And I can see and this 307 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:27.160 is the funny part, because I can see why the you know, researchers 308 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:33.559 who have been in this for literally decades, they want because they've done research 309 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:37.279 for decades, they want people to hear what they they've learned and discovered, 310 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.880 as opposed to sitting down and talking with some kid who you know, they 311 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:48.000 don't think has been in this long enough to know anything. And that's the 312 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:52.680 biggest rub, And it's kind of funny. It'd be humbling for the researchers, 313 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.680 but it's important, I think obviously these younger people want to be heard 314 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.160 and they want to talk about it. You don't want to just sit and 315 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:06.119 listen. Well that and I think it's also very refreshing too. I think 316 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:14.480 most of most of my student colleagues are coming from very different backgrounds and positions. 317 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.759 You know, not everybody's coming from a scientific background and not everybody's coming 318 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:26.599 from just very different places. And the level of objectivity I think they're bringing 319 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.920 to it, and just the difference of viewpoints that they bring to it opens 320 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:37.640 things up and you start asking different questions. You know, you tend to 321 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:45.519 get pigeonholed in some of the conventional group thinking in you know that a phenomenon 322 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.759 is a certain thing or it's doing a certain thing, because you know, 323 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:56.000 we start to assume a lot and the students are bringing such new, refreshing 324 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:04.759 ideas to it. It's just constantly reshaped and changing it. So, yeah, 325 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.960 that's the end. It reminds me of because I was, you know, 326 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:17.440 taking classes even last semester before I came out to Arizona, and you 327 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:22.039 know, in your classes you're supposed to debate. So one thing I was 328 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.880 going to ask, which I'm sure it's similar to in a class, are 329 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:32.200 people pretty civil with each other in in the meetings? Ye? Yeah, 330 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:41.119 they tend to be. Definitely. Occasionally personalities get start bucking heads, but 331 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.599 they are definitely very civil to each other. And in the end, everybody's 332 00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:51.480 respectful. Did people really get involved and excited about the investigator training also? 333 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:57.839 Yes, absolutely, that's that there's always more, uh, they always want 334 00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:03.480 more from it. That's probably why the ghost hunting gets so popular because so 335 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.440 many people go out and actually do it, including which we did for the 336 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:12.000 cryptoscience when for instance, it's is the one that freaks people out a lot. 337 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.839 When you were able to arrange for us to spend the night in a 338 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:22.039 graveyard that supposedly had a lot of activity, Yes, and there was quite 339 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.839 a group of people that went out there, and a lot of press coverage 340 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:36.400 as well. Yes, that was actually I think our first formal expedition and 341 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:42.519 expeditions are great because they really get allow people to get a hands on experience 342 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:47.119 with it. You know, you sit there all day and talk about you 343 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:51.319 know, skills and researching and go talking to people interview with a witness. 344 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.480 But when we've got a report of some real activity and we have an opportunity 345 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:03.640 to assemble a team and go out there and and take it on firsthand, 346 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:10.359 then then it's real and people are really excited to do that. And I 347 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:14.799 think we learned we learned a lot from that particular investigation. Yeah, do 348 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.759 you think did you ever have situations where people went on some of these outings 349 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.200 and got so freaked out they didn't come back, or did you did you 350 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:33.079 find that at all? It's it's definitely the kind of thing that weeds out 351 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:41.440 personalities that really don't have the discipline to be in it. I wouldn't say 352 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:49.920 that any particular phenomenon or any experiences freaked people out enough. I think it 353 00:30:51.039 --> 00:31:00.559 was more that they experienced the hard work involved and and didn't have the discipline 354 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:06.279 to pursue it from that ah, but then were there. I'm sure there 355 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:11.000 were also people that got inspired and excited to do more. Yes, yes, 356 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:19.839 definitely one of my one of our most valuable members over the years, 357 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:29.359 because Kevin Harris. He's he started out very reluctant, very very skeptical, 358 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:37.400 and experienced some things firsthand and hooked him, got him into it. He's 359 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:44.480 in a theoretical mathematician and a renaissance man in general, and he he definitely 360 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:53.400 was approaching it from a very skeptical objective view, and he heard some anomalous 361 00:31:53.400 --> 00:32:00.240 sounds when we were down in Nativily, and I think that got him that. 362 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.200 I'm hoping, Yeah, that's exciting because one thing that you know, 363 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.359 for you listeners, you can check you can check the Cryptoscience YouTube page, 364 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.839 right, I think you have it up there, because those were some of 365 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.839 the coolest EVPs you know, I've ever heard in an investigation that you guys 366 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:22.160 got there. Yes, actually they are. Well, there's the one that's 367 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.440 my favorite EVP that I've ever heard of any investigation anybody's ever done, is 368 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:35.240 the one that sounds to me like the Little Girls Sign. And yeah, 369 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:38.359 they are on the YouTube page. They're also on the Cryptoscience Society homepage. 370 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:49.200 And actually Kevin did some really good and analysis on those particular EVPs and determined 371 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:54.119 that they don't have echoes, which is particularly interesting, right, anything that 372 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.880 happens in the physical universe, obviously, if you're making a sound, it 373 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:05.480 should have an echo, especially down there in the bowels of Sativily where everything's 374 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:10.519 stone and there's a lot of echoing down there. Yep, it's a it's 375 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:17.119 basically it's an artificial cave. It was designed that way in order to maintain 376 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.720 the temperature of the beer when it needs to be a brewery and they were 377 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:30.759 stored, so yeah, definitely phenomenalist sounds and anomalists lack of echo. So 378 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.559 that's what I mean. If you were to give advice, it would seem 379 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.599 like giving advice to any group out there, such as let's say move on, 380 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:44.960 because we're both very familiar with that. In getting younger people, they 381 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.839 either if they don't do it in their regular meetings, they got to have 382 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:54.799 an offshoot meeting where they create space for people to do some investigation on a 383 00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.680 training way and also have some communication like a forum. Let people talk with 384 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:07.440 each other about all of this right absolutely, and and allow feedback. Let 385 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:15.920 let let people, let people provide some suggestions, and if they have a 386 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.599 project or something in mind, let it go, let it happen. That's 387 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:27.760 actually kind of you know. We we started out doing things fairly conventionally just 388 00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:32.119 to get the ball rolling and get some attention and recognition. We started we 389 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.719 had a lecture meeting once a month. As as people started getting more involved, 390 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:45.400 we started getting some suggestions and one of the one of the women in 391 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:52.800 the group, Sandra Has, she started bringing up her ideas of a class 392 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:59.800 that she is to have and this this kind of open forum like research topic 393 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.480 type of thing, and that was that was a lot of her idea and 394 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:13.400 she pushed that. So listening to your people and allowing the suggestions to take 395 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.719 form. Cool. Yeah, well, we got to take another break. 396 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.079 When we get back, we're going to talk more about the faculty and getting 397 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.199 some of the academia involved with your investigation and how that evolved over time. 398 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.719 We're talking to Jason Cordova about the cryptoso Science Society. We'll be back in 399 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:44.679 a minute. You're listening to Open Minds Radio. Balu Dupsha, Welcome back 400 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:50.239 to Open Minds Radio. Here now former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, 401 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.559 your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. All of a sudden, 402 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.519 I'm getting a little sentimental. This is the last segment I'll be doing 403 00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:01.960 here on camfin X. I'm going to miss the CAF and X. Kreuk 404 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.920 is a are awesome. I really liked everybody here at CAMF and X. 405 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.679 So want to get that in before I run out of time, because I 406 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:12.719 always run out and say, oh yeah, I'm not. At the end 407 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:19.159 of the show, Jason, they were talking about paranormal and the Cryptoscience Society. 408 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.480 I wanted to ask about because I know you had this issue where you 409 00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:29.840 had to find a faculty advisor, and that became a little difficult. How 410 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.239 did that evolve? I mean, did you find problems, of course with 411 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:39.920 people taking your idea seriously? Yes and no. At first, really the 412 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:51.840 first incarnation of that was that I was fortunate enough that the Student Activities Office 413 00:36:52.280 --> 00:37:00.519 was helpful and they agreed to what the director. The director agreed to serve 414 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.079 as an interim faculty advisor until I could find someone just to get the ball 415 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.159 rolling, and that took a little bit of searching, and then all of 416 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.920 a sudden, it just kind of happened. One day, ironically, the 417 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:23.199 administrative assistant for the Aviation department agreed to serve as a faculty advisor, and 418 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:31.599 the next thing I knew, I had faculty members from my own department coming 419 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:38.800 up to me asking me questions about paranormal matters and kind of almost covertly, 420 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:46.719 and they were kind of cautious, and they almost seemed a little bit embarrassed 421 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:52.320 at first, and then reassured, and to the point where I actually have 422 00:37:52.800 --> 00:38:00.239 had some faculty members going out and doing some investigations for us, you know, 423 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:05.679 taken taking a a couple like a camera or something here and there to 424 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.840 this bed and breakfast that they stayed at, and they wanted to check some 425 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.000 stuff out and wanted to ask my opinion upon it. So, uh, 426 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:23.400 definitely evolved and definitely did it served its purpose by by lending legitimacy and credibility. 427 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.519 Mm hmm. Now did you what was kind of maybe one of the 428 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:31.239 more shocking instances where you had a faculty member perhaps come to you, uh 429 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:42.880 and share and experience and change from you know, hesitant to enthusiastic. Well, 430 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.639 I would probably use the example I was referring to as one of the 431 00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:52.760 one of the teachers in the aerospace department came to me, uh, saying, 432 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:58.519 hey, I stayed at this bed and breakfast and I had these some 433 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.639 some weird things happened to me. I was a bed and breakfast open and 434 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:07.719 has this park and he actually had the blanket pulled off of him. Uh, 435 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.519 there was some I think there was some rustling. The window might have 436 00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.840 even opened. Uh, and uh, he was just freaked out and he 437 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.960 was, you know, he's like, I'm a pilot. He was also 438 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.840 an Air Force Reserve officer. And you know these people, they these kind 439 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.800 of people there, they're nuts and bolts. They got to stick to their 440 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.119 guns and trust their instruments. So they go off data and he was shown 441 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.360 some data and he didn't know what to do with it, so he said, 442 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:40.159 what do I do? What should I do? If I go back 443 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.440 again? I recommended he'd take a camera and just the basic stuff. I 444 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:52.639 offered to let him borrow some equipment out of our out of our equipment walker 445 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.480 and take it with him. He ended up just taking a couple uh the 446 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:02.960 digital camera and took some pictures. Actually got got some alright ORB photos. 447 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.480 He didn't he wasn't too impressed with them himself. But he also went to 448 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.960 the Stanley Hotel and and did some digging in there, and we debriefed and 449 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.599 looked over the data afterwards. But that's pretty cool. Yeah, that was 450 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:22.920 pretty neat. Did any of them share some UFO stories with you? Trying 451 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:32.000 to remember? I'm I'm sure they have there, there's so many uh so, 452 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.119 would you say then the faculty in general became pretty enthusiastic about what you're 453 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:45.360 doing? Yes, yes, actually they have. They acknowledged what I was 454 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:51.400 doing and what was going on. And I think as as far as the 455 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:58.320 UFO thing goes, I don't I didn't have any of the teachers sharing UFO 456 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.360 encounters, at least none in the aerospace department. But I think they're still 457 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.280 worried about that stigma. But I think his time will go. They'll they'll 458 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:13.719 loosen up a little more and then the newer generation. Though, I had 459 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:20.119 a lot of fellow students that in the aerospace department and throughout campus that were 460 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.960 very enthusiastic and wanting to share stories and things that like that. Yeah, 461 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:31.239 that's pretty exciting. So now you're working on expanding it to whether universities or 462 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:37.320 colleges, And you say you've had some response. Yes, a couple, 463 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:47.280 just a couple mutual friends who happened to be attending schools at University of Colorado 464 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:57.079 and Boulder and CSU and four Collins. There was some interest, kind of 465 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:01.800 friend of a friend said something about having some interest at Read's University, but 466 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.920 that never actually panned out. But there is some definite interest at CSU and 467 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:14.039 CEU. Oh, and now do you actually colleague with move on? An 468 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:22.360 investigator is going back for grad school at DU and she wants to she wants 469 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.280 to try to do something with it there. Yeah, that's pretty cool. 470 00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.320 It's exciting. It's you know, it's something that of course is scientific as 471 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.719 we know. So, I mean, there is certainly some help that could 472 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:39.760 be gained from making student organizations. Like you said, these students become faculty, 473 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.199 and once, like your experience, once the students take it serious, 474 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.280 faculty then begins to get involved as well. Right, right. And the 475 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:55.000 fact that the student organization itself is an extension of the college. They're officially 476 00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:01.039 recognized by the institution, and that in and of itself lends a lot of 477 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:08.239 credibility to what we do. And one thing leads to another. Oh no, 478 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.360 somebody asked, what is the strangest thing you have ever seen? And 479 00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.000 I don't know that we have time for you to get into your stories, 480 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.480 which I wanted to get into, because you've had a couple amazing stories. 481 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.079 Maybe what is the strangest one that you would say? And if you could 482 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:29.159 quickly go through what happened the strangest experience I've ever had ye in my life? 483 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:32.239 Yeah, what strangest thing you've ever seen? Well, it would probably 484 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:40.440 be my original UFO sighting when I was about ten years old. It was 485 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.000 in the Rolling Fork Valley when we used to live up there and I saw 486 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:52.119 what appeared to be five foot diameter glass ball with an amber colored light emine 487 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.480 and get out of the center, zigzagged across the field across the river from 488 00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.639 our house, came and hovered by the window for a little bit and zipped 489 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:05.280 off, zipped off up the river upstream. And then what'd you go tell 490 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.840 your dad? This was funny? Yeah? I went and told him there's 491 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:13.159 this white outside, got to come see it, And he said, shut 492 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.400 up and go to sleep. I said, well, if we wake up 493 00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:21.400 on Alpha Santari, it's not my fault. Well, we're out of time, 494 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.679 so this is the last of our short shows. We'll have to have 495 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:28.920 you on again, where we'll talk about the other experiences you've had and maybe 496 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.440 some of our shared experiences that'll probably be really fun to go through. But 497 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.239 thanks for being on the show. What is the website for the Crypto Science 498 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:43.039 Society. It's MSCD dot edu slash Tilda Crypto, but the best way to 499 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.519 get to it is just Google Google Crypto Science Society. Thanks Jason. Join 500 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.280 us next week, remember at seven pm at Openminds dot TV. We're gonna 501 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:59.960 have George Weiler, a US Air Force officer who chased UFOs and was involved 502 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.199 with aliens being shot into Air Force base. So you're not gonna want to 503 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:09.239 miss this seven pm next Monday, Openminds dot TV talk to you next week. 504 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:32.440 People leaks thing you watch your feet cracks up? Uh, Aliens hob 505 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.920 like a movies folks. Black