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Love talk Radio. Welcome to open
Minds Radio with your host Alejandro rojash Hello,

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my friends out there and internet land
and podcast world and all of the

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other wonderful places that you visit us
from. This is Alejandro Rojas and this

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is the first show under the new
name of open Minds Radio. And did

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I change the name of the show
just on a whim? No, I

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did not. I am now working
for an organization called open Minds. You

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can find our website at openminds dot
tv. And it's pretty sweet because we're

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gonna be doing a magazine TV show
We're gonna do with this radio show,

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also a live and podcast, a
video cast. So we've just got so

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many cool ideas and things coming up
that you're just gonna love it all.

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And you know, one of the
biggest things that I get, one of

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the biggest feedback I get for the
show is that the audio levels can be

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pretty bad, that the guests sometimes
sound really low. So I've been trying

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a couple of things to solve that, and I think I've got a somewhat

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okay solution. However, better solution
coming even starting next week. We've already

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got some of the equipment in.
I'm not in the studio right now.

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I'm actually in my home studio,
but we're gonna be shooting in our TV

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fancy studio that you guys are all
gonna get to see eventually. In the

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studio there at the Open Minds office
is next week and going forward, and

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we've got equipment that we're going to
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So we're going to fix that.
I apologize to you the people that email

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me occasionally and say, you know
what that the guest is hard to hear

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sometimes. We're going to fix that
real soon. So this is cool stuff

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going on. And as our first
guest tonight, we're going to have Nancy

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Talbot and she is actually the president
of BLT Research. This is an organization

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that has been doing rigorous scientific study
into crop circles for around twenty years now

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and they have made some of the
most really the best bindings in this field

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as far as the scientific evidence to
prove whether or not a crop circle can

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or was created by humans. So
they have evidence that suggests that there are

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some things that would make it very
difficult. But let us say for humans

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to have hoped some of these things, and we're going to talk about that

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on the show. Take some notes
because we're going to talk about the important

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things that need to be studied in
crop circles to be able to determine this.

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And also we'll talk about maybe how
you could get involved with crop circles

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and crop circle research. There are
some crop circles that happen here in the

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United States and you can go to
the BLT research homepage and you can see

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some of those US crop circles,
and you know what, they would be

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more than happy if you could follow
their directions go out and do some testing

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on those crop circles if there're anywhere
near you, or if you want to

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do this sort of work in the
UK, you want to take a summertime

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vacation out to England, then they
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out there and did some sampling out
there as well. So I'll tell you

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how to get a hold of Nancy, how to get all this underway.

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Bltresearch dot com is their website,
and we'll be talking more about that very

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soon when we bring Nancy on.
She's absolutely wonderful. In fact, when

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it comes to the UFO field and
science, she is one of the first

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people that's contacted because she has because
of her how she's careful to use scientific

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method and careful with the reputation of
scientists and how she represents their work.

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You know, she works with a
lot of scientists, so a lot of

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people go to her when they need
different evidence researched. Also, the new

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time, you know, four pm
Pacific. I'm in Arizona here, which

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is going to be kind of weird
because when Daylight Savings comes and everybody shifts,

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we're gonna shift. Then we'll be
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So right now where aligned with Pacific, and eventually we'll be Mountain, but

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right now four pm. We did
this so we could do the show in

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the studio, so everybody's there and
we can have the cameramen and stuff like

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that, so we can do the
live video that we're going to do eventually.

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Also, we're going to bring guests
into the studio so you could see

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me one on one interview these guys
live. So hopefully this time works and

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it's a little earlier for those East
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we had an East Coaster on and
this sport guy had to be on in

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the middle of the night. Also, we want to get some more international

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you know, I've had Nick Pope
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This time is about midnight, so
at least that's not too bad for keeping

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these guys up at night. Whenever
you do Coast to Coast, you know

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you've got to stay up that late. So hopefully they won't mind. It

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won't be as bad because with the
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Nick Pope on it was like something
like three in the morning Forum, so

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that can be pretty it's too difficult
for those four chaps. But let's get

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into some UFO news. We've got
some interesting news this week, as we

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do every week. I think I
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forgot to talk about the ABC special
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It was only Sunday, which is
cool. I like talking to you guys

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more often, and I always get
that, you know, when you're gonna

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do is show, it's too long
since you've done the show. Well now

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it's only been a few days and
we I neglected to really go over the

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ABC special week after what about a
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was last Tuesday. ABC did a
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and some other things. I thought
that it was nice that they didn't really

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completely make these people look awful and
debunk everything they were doing. However,

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it was too bad as usual that
they don't do the research they need to

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do. They're called investigative journalists and
their job is to do research. However,

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do you know they just go out
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into the studio, shoot there,
put it all together, and they call

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that investigative journalism. No real research, especially in a case like Stands,

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which I know there is so much
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evidence. They talked about his leg
getting healed, but they didn't go over

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the doctors notes about that. They
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they didn't get video analysis done of
videos. They talked about Stace, who

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is someone else I had turned them
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an abductee, and you know,
she says she has videos of UFOs.

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And when she came in and told
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first heard about her at move On, I thought, yeah, right,

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but and I was skeptical, you
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thing of the abductee claims. But
I saw her video and it's very interesting.

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There's some things you cannot explain there. I saw myself things with her

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that I could not explain, as
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I guess you know. ABC did
another special it's called Seeing Us Believing,

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and that certainly was the case with
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the four or five sightings I've had, three of them are with people who

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say they see UFOs a lot and
that they claim their abductees. And I'm

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sorry for those of you who that's
hard to believe. But as a researcher

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and an investigator, you know,
I found that to be the experience.

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In my experience, you can't if
you're going to investigate this stuff, you

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know, you've got to investigate these
people and not blow them off and take

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them serious. And it only took
a little bit of time of hanging out

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with these guys and listening to these
people that I found some of this extraordinary

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stuff. And of course it's unfortunately
stuff I haven't been able to prove.

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I don't have video of my experiences, but hopefully one day I will,

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and believe me, people that will
be a wonderful day because I'll be able

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to get this all out through my
open minds connections, and hopefully I think

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we've got some really great evidence we're
going to be showing along the lines.

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But anyway, Bud Hopkins is what
I was getting at, because Bud Hopkins

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wrote a story called the Faith Based
Science of Susan Clancy and Suthan Clancy with

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a Harvard psychologist who is on that
ABC special talking about abductions being the result

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of sleep paralysis, and he wrote
about how many of the subjects that he

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has studied had their experiences why they
were awake, not while they were asleep,

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and that the sleep paralysis scenario doesn't
fit for them, and that is

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true of abdictees I've talked with as
well or possible abductees. I'll say,

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so, you know, and really
it was unfortunate because the worst thing they

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did is they made doctor Leo Sprinkle
look pretty bad. They kind of they

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totally downplayed his experience in this field. He's a doctor of psychology and was

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in charge of a clinical psychology department
at the University of Wyoming. Decades and

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decades of work and even conventional clinical
psychology, and you know, they downplayed

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even the usefulness of hypnotherapy at all, which if you've seen it or had

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it done on you, it's amazing. I think the problem psychologists have with

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hypnotherapy is that it's able to resolve
issues quicker, and you know, they

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don't have these return clients coming back
to them not getting the help they need,

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so needing to come back many many
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So that was very frustrating because doctor
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person. He's absolutely wonderful. And
it was funny because a friend of mine

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said he had lunch with him and
asked him about the special lean. He

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said, you know, with things
that people that can't accept things like this

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that are extraordinary truths, the first
stage of a civilization is they deny it,

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deny that it exists at all.
Then they ridicule it, and then

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the third thing is they accept it
as self evident. And he said,

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if they were ridiculing me and I
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step of ridicule, that I'm more
than happy that I was able to play

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a part. So he's just a
great person like that. Another story that

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came out was a dean of UFO
studies who had passed away, and this

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was a story about researcher Richard Hall. He was an astronomer, very well

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respected person at the University of Maryland, and he passed away recently. So

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he was a UFO investigator for decades
and talked about how he did believe that

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these UFOs were attributable to extraterrestrial craft
and so really neat guyed with a lot

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of research and unfortunately he passed away. Another story that came out were video

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and pictures of Chinese UFO sightings.
So there's a video out there that's sort

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of interesting, and a story from
all news Web that talks about supposedly mass

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sightings. They call it a mega
UFO event that millions of people saw motherships

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in China, and then the reference
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So I wasn't able to read that. A couple of other stories that all

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news Web posted were UFO events in
Nigeria and also a picture of a UFO

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photographed in the state of Georgia.
He got that from a mof on report

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from a mof on investigator who sent
him that information. So on news Web,

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really interesting site. They're really about
posting just news around the world so

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people can keep up today. But
they also do post a lot of UFO

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stories, which is very interesting.
Another story that I had posted in the

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last few days was a UFO video
over Lake Havasu, Arizona. However,

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that UFO is no longer a UFO. It is an IFO and identified flying

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IFB actually identified flying balloon and someone
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funny that someone had videotaped his balloon. He had this big balloon shaped like

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a UFO that was silver that he
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sign attached to it and the string
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and that's what it looked like.
I mean. But this video was

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weird because of course it's UFO shaped. It's a saucer with domes on either

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sides, floating around, flittering around
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video. And now we know what
that was. And it's always great to

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solve these cases so we don't waste
spend our time investigating whether or not it's

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a UFO or not. But video
of Polish UFOs also were posted on Google

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here and I put up that link
of supposedly a Polish UFO flotilla. So

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a bunch of UFO is kind of
strange. Looks like these bright lights in

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front of the clouds. You know, you see one and then there's another,

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and then there's another, and they
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So a lot of them. There
were also Australian UFO sightings that we posted

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here on the news and then the
US Intelligence Examiner examiner dot com also did

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a story about UFOs and the media
and what he sees is a positive opening

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up of the media about this subject. And you know, that would be

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wonderful and at least I think if
we asked Nancy, she might not agree.

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But you know what, I think
it's getting better. The ABC show

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to me doesn't show much improvement.
I mean, in the nineties there was

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just a cookie cutter way that they
did a documentary. You know, the

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first eighty five percent of the show
is all about the UFO cases. The

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last fifteen minutes you devote to the
defunkers and that nothing really happened. So

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all that stuff we showed you with
fun. But and like I said,

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it's safe, you know. That
way, they get the ratings from people

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who want to watch the UFO show, but then they don't make any extraordinary

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claims, so no one can come
to them and say, hey, ABC

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said that was UFO. They can
say, no, we didn't. We

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had our specialists come on who said
it was UFO. So what we call

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it the bunker. So it's safe
for them. They reaped the benefits of

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the ratings. At the same time, they don't, you know, put

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their butts on the line at all, which is unfortunate because journalism is supposed

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to be the watchdog out there.
And then very interesting today when I went

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did my search for UFO stories in
the news, I found a bunch of

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them from Europe, mostly in the
UK, like three or four, one

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from Germany, one from Scotland,
and one of the UK stories was about

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some police officers who had seen a
UFO. So a lot of stories Europe

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and the UK. They are UFO
crazy, Like I've been talking about lots

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of UFO stories. So you know, we had Nick popeon not too long

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ago, but we're probably gonna have
to have him on again. So he's

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a really cool guy. You guys, heard him. He's following this stuff

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very closely, and a lot of
these stories are getting news. In fact,

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Nick Pope was on Larry King just
last Wednesday, so just a little

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over a week ago talking about UFO. So a lot going on there.

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And this is something I literally just
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a look, and it does look
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speaking of the UFO examiners, and
surprise, surprise, I don't have anything

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on the National UFO Examiner, but
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because I talked about his stories on
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Sacramento UFO Examiner. He posted a
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a nuclear power plant. And this
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down and you see what looks like
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power plant. So very I'm sure
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into this, including myself this week, to see if we can find out

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what's going on. Who posted that, why, where? Who had all

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those ws? To find out more
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that as soon as the show's over. So you guys can take a look.

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post this link in the chat right
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at that right now. And the
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a blog talk radio. If you
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us. And the chat's a lot
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But if you're a podcaster, hey
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of my iPhone. I don't know
how I live without it, so I

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can certainly appreciate the iPod. Miss
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not a word yet, I'm sure
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ado, let's bring on one of
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Nancy Talbot. And this lady I
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cookie. She tells it like it
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it is here in a second,
tell you what, all right? We

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should hear the phone ringing any second
now there goes hello, Hello? Is

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this Nancy Talbot is excellent? This
is Alejandro Rojas. Hello, Hello,

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Hello. So this is great because
you were on the when I guest host

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for Uphone not radio, but I
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show, so this is definitely a
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I'm delighted to have the opportunity,
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these years, I am constantly informed
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I get. Today a new website
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had emailed me asking if we could
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on the science and I checked it
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the opportunity to outline again what the
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because so many people do not seem
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nor of their significance. I'm delighted. Well open minds. You know which

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I just started with. Our logo
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the pie crop circle. That was
a fabulously interesting one, wasn't it,

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And so it's beautiful. So it's
a great logo that our graphic to designers

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really did a good job on that. So because of that, of course

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we're looking into crop circles and you
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we need to do and why this
is going to be good to educate my

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coworkers as well as to get down
the nuts and bults of the science so

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we know what we're doing well.
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the difference between science and everything else
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the methodology, which is the manner
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the last one hundred and fifty years
or so about the physical nature of our

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reality. Science doesn't propose to approach
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reality, and from that we have
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necessarily the final answer about all things. But if you want to establish something

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that can be talked about in specific
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is good for. And in the
crop circle phenomenon, which seems to be,

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in my opinion, a multi faceted
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so far, but the fact is
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actual facts upon which people interested in
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approaches can use these facts in helping
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anything else. And that's what our
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let you know when you're looking at
or you're in a crop formation, whether

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or not that particular one of the
general is of the genuine phenomenon, or

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is perhaps one of these mechanically flattened
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me it's rather critical to know the
difference made by tipsy old cellists straight out

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of the pub well back in the
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a possible explanation when you look at
the fact that crop circles occur all over

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the world, as far as we
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recent flap of them, if you
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occurring for the last twenty five years. It's a little hard to imagine a

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couple of pipsy old dudes or a
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getting to obscure in remote locations in
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or Africa, or South America or
all the many places where they appear and

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are regularly reported. It's a bit
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history of your group and your research
into this on that pie circle. Did

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anybody look into that or get some
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an absolute stroke of fortune that that
year I didn't have enough money to have

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hired someone to be in the field
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be everywhere all the time. I
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I didn't have enough money to pay
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taking samples. But there was one
interested Englishman to thank the Lord who did

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take some samples for himself originally and
then got in touch with me about what

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he was seeing with questions, and
so we do have It's not we don't

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have a substantial enough sampling of that
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but the signs which were evident in
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the controls that he also took in
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could be I'm not sure what percentage
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was much more inclined based on the
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there did appear to be node apical
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Apical node elongation are two primary visible
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They both did seem to be a
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sampling that the guy in eng One
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pretty comfortable personally with the idea that
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when Nancy talks about the nodes and
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But I want to let people know
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search crop circle pie, that's all
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find this crop circle and it's beautiful. And what I think from it is

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even it represents the pie. You
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the way it was done is so
beautiful, and it does involve them with

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very a very intelligent formation. And
when it was examtland and looked at very

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carefully by people who have a lot
of knowledge in mathematics, they were able

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to demonstrate that that formation encoded very
precisely, including the deciel point, the

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three point one four one six and
it keeps ongoing number that represents pie.

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It's an amazing thing. Mm hmm. Even if the artists would have conceived

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that and put did that on paper, I would be impressed myself. But

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let alone to show up in a
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into consideration on hunger, the size
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that it did not occur on flat
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To get this sort of precision.
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you've got five hours more or less
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north than we are, so in
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you have approximately five hours of darkness. It's on underlating land. It's quite

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large, and it's absolutely precise these
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would have a lot of trouble figuringe. I don't think anybody could do it,

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certainly, not one or two people. It would take a crew,

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and a crew would have left all
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have been readily available. I think
they can be pretty comfortable, but that

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one was the real McCoy also,
so is that why because I've seen it

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referred to as the most complex circle? Would you agree with that? And

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are those some of the reasons why
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It is definitely a complex formation.
There have been many very large,

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very complex, very elegant events,
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and it doesn't really matter. I
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most complex. Yeah, it is
a complex, elegant, very precise situation

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and it was a great choice for
your logo I think, mm hmm,

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yeah, it's it's neat. So
getting back to the history of BLT,

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I think it started with BLT as
Burg Lovingood Talbot and it was the name

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Tulbot Talbot. I've been saying it
wrong for all this time. Taulbet does

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all this at any rate to tell
your audience about the website, because anyone

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listening now will be much better be
able to follow this discussion if they go

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to the website. It's BLT research
dot com, just be as in bully,

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just like the sandwich bltresearch dot com. And if you go to the

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website and open up on the left
hand mask, you will see a listing

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of the various contents and go perhaps
first to the plant Normaldy section, because

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there were be many illustrations there of
what we're going to talk about. Perfect

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yeah, okay, and so and
in the history, the first Levin Goood,

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who's a biophysicist. He in the
looks like very early nineties started looking

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into these crop circles. He did
back in I think perhaps maybe even in

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nineteen eighty nine. He was first
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early British crop circle researchers who I'm
not quite sure I think actually, if

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I remember correctly, Levin Goood,
his wife had seen a very early TV

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show about the very early British circles, and she mentioned the show to Levinhood.

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He was intrigued with what she told
him, and somehow or other he

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was able to contact Pat Delgado and
they made an arrangement about Pat taking some

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samples, some plant samples from some
of those early formations and sending them to

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Levin's A's lab in Michigan, which
Delgado did do. Now, in those

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early days, minimal samples were taken. Of course, we nobody had any

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idea of where to start. What
do you look? What are you looking

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for? You don't know what this
is, You don't know where to start.

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And so Levinwood simply used his background
in biology and in biophysics to begin

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examining the plants, looking for any
sort of change, which anything that was

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different from the control samples, which
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There's a huge variation in plant growth
in cereal crops or in any other type

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of plant, and you have to
take the controls from the same field in

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which the formation has occurred, but
at a considerable distance away from it,

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and then you look at various aspects
of the plants to see if, in

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fact there are any differences, And
very early on he began to observe some

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differences. That very early work he
did primarily using the microscope looking at cellular

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structure. He began to notice a
stretching of some of the cells in certain

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areas of the plants, which he
did not find in the controls, and

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this immediately was a red flag to
him, and he thought, Okay,

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there's something to look at here.
He looked at a number of different variables

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in those beginning years. By the
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circle phenomenon, which was in nineteen
ninety two, and had gotten and gotten

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in touch with Levin Goood because we
had heard that there was this actually a

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trained professional scientist here in the United
States who had taken an interest in the

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phenomenon, and we knew immediately that
this was a fairly rare occurrence that a

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professional scientist pays any attention to this
sort of thing, And so we got

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in touch with him independently because we
wanted to know more about what he was

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doing. We went to meet him
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in nineteen ninety two, but at
different times. And then it just evolved

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into we had different talents and different
abilities, and so we decided to work

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together as a group to try to
carry on some serious in depth work.

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Did this plant and soil work while
it was plants to begin with, and

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it evolved into the soils also,
and so BLT was born. I made

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up the name because the English researchers
wanted to call us something and I didn't

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know what, and I was making
a joke. It never occurred to me

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this would become as serious an investigation
as it has. And so because the

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last names began would be L and
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research, you know. Oh yeah
they do. And I'm sure you get

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a lot of sandwich jokes and stuff. I've heard a few. Yeah I

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have too. But it is it
is easier, at least for Americans to

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roup of people who know what a
BLT is the Brits. I can think

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we're a little confused, but at
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established, and so I didn't see
any point in changing it. Well,

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what got you so interested into devoting
time to this? I simply recognized immediately

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as soon as I knew about crops
Are, I went to England and got

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down my hands and knees in some
of the circles and realized instantly that something

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was going on. You know,
I knew this wasn't planks and boards.

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And I had some money at the
time from I had been a producer of

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big outdoor country music shows and festivals, and I had a little bit of

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money. It was going to take
money to get sampling done, to get

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things, you know, to hire
barns to drive the samples down, to

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hire people to wrap and ship and
label all this stuff. And I also

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had a lot of experience because I'd
worked at Harvard in the Department of Anthropology

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and then Social Relations department, running
various experiments as a research analyst there,

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and so I had some idea of
how to organize this kind of thing and

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how to train field personnel stuff like
that. John Burke had a particular expertise

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in working in the libraries doing literature
research on when we would get certain results

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or we thought a particular thing would
be interesting, he could carry out these

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in depth literature searches in the libraries
to see if anyone else had done not

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necessarily crop cerver work, but plant
work which revealed any of the same changes

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we were finding. And Levin Diould, of course, with his lab,

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was able to do the physical measurements
and work. Plus eventually, over time

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he and John Burke really together developed
some of the theoretical ideas which might explain

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the physical results that we were by
then documenting. So and by then,

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00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:04.519
by the late nineties you all had
gotten samples from over three hundred circles,

410
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:10.039
and you must have been swimming in
data well by the mid nineties. Actually,

411
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:17.000
I think it was in ninety three
Levenhood published the first of the peer

412
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:24.519
reviewed scientific papers. It's called Anatomical
Anomalies in Crop Formation Plants, and it

413
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.840
was published he written in ninety three, but it was published in ninety four

414
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:37.679
in Physiology of Plantarum, a European
plant physiology journal. By the following year,

415
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:44.639
in ninety five, eleven Good and
Burt together published the first of our

416
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:51.119
findings about the soil work in a
paper called Semi molten meteoric Iron associated with

417
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.840
a Crop Formation. And then in
nineteen ninety nine eleven Goood and I published

418
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:02.159
the Aspersion of Energies in Worldwide Crop
Form Nations. These are still the only

419
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:12.880
three peer reviewed scientific papers that have
been published based on field the search of

420
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:19.360
the prop circle plants and soils.
It's a literary, expensive and very time

421
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:24.679
consuming to do this sort of work
to produce the data that isn't required to

422
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:31.800
actually publish in the scientific journals,
and we just happen to be a group

423
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:40.320
of three with the available money and
expertise to actually do this. Well,

424
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:45.199
I know we've got at least one
listener from the UK on and someone I

425
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:50.760
think from the Netherlands. But hopefully
they're getting excited about doing the work to

426
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.760
help you collect this stuff. By
that they're going to find out here soon

427
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:57.079
that it is a lot of work, so hopefully they're in for that.

428
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.199
But what were some of the things
you all have found. You started to

429
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:08.400
get into some of the physical changes
to the crops that Levinthood had started discovering.

430
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.800
Yeah, I think what I'd like
to do is outlining first. It's

431
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:22.440
the two best documented, and they
just happen to also be visible plant changes.

432
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.920
Okay, many of the plant changes
are not visible. They can only

433
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:31.840
be determined in the laboratory. But
there are two, and they just happen

434
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:38.039
to be the most thoroughly documented in
several hundred formations in about fifteen different countries

435
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:44.800
now around the world. The first
and most important of the plant changes is

436
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:51.239
the apical node elongation. This is
the top node beneath the seed head,

437
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.559
the first node beneath the seed head. On all of these various cereal plants,

438
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:02.039
a node is a knuckle like protuberance. They're usually in cereal crops are

439
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:07.039
three or four of them beneath the
seed head, going down to the ground.

440
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.800
The top one is what we call
number one, the first one,

441
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.400
and it is about usually it's about
a foot to a foot and a half

442
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:23.360
beneath below the seedhead itself. That
node in the genuine, in the genuine

443
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:35.840
phenomenon is always statistically longer than it
is elongated when compared to the control crops.

444
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:44.119
Now, you cannot always visibly see
the elongation. Sometimes it is subtle

445
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:50.039
enough so that you have to take
literally hundreds, if not thousands, of

446
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.840
plants samples, and you have to
measure them all. You do the same

447
00:41:54.920 --> 00:42:00.239
thing with the control plants. You
take hundreds or in some cases thousands of

448
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:06.719
control plants and you measure all of
those nodes also. Then you on a

449
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:13.199
statistical program to see whether or not
the change in the sample plants is what

450
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:21.000
they call statistically significant. However,
in many cases that no elongation is visible

451
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.719
to the naked eye. When I
go into formations, I always take a

452
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:35.159
handful, say ten plants control plants
from some distance outside the formation, and

453
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.039
I cut them off at the base, and I walk with them into the

454
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:45.880
formation, and then I start comparing
these controls the apical node on the controls

455
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:51.440
to the apical nodes on the flattened
plants, and I go through the entire

456
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:58.320
formation looking at that. In many
cases the no elongation in the sample plants

457
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:05.760
the flattened plants is clearly visible.
But it depends sometimes that no elongation will

458
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:10.440
be in the range of say thirty
to thirty five or forty percent, and

459
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:16.639
at that stage it's not necessarily obvious. But in many cases that we've examined,

460
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:22.000
the elongation has been in the range
of one hundred and fifty to two

461
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:28.480
hundred and some percent, in which
case it's clearly obvious. It's totally evident.

462
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.360
That is, if it's present,
it's the best sign you can see.

463
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.679
If you cannot always determine this visually, then and does that happen to

464
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.039
only the down plants, and is
it all of them? Are some of

465
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.039
the standing plants as well? Very
good question. It will occur in all

466
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:54.679
of the downed plants, but in
varying degrees of significant overall, but not

467
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:01.000
necessarily exactly the same in all the
downcrop. And what we discovered in time.

468
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.159
At first we didn't know to look, but we learned eventually. Then

469
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:12.559
we started checking some of the standing
crop inside the formations. As you know,

470
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:19.639
there are standing sections inside many formations. As we started to examine those

471
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:25.679
standing plants, what we found was
that when no elongation was present, it

472
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:32.119
was almost always also present in the
standing crop inside, in other words,

473
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:38.320
the crop which had never been flattened. What's very important about this point is

474
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.079
that one of the things that the
bunkers bring up is, oh, well,

475
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:50.880
it's just due to phototropism or gravitropism. It's no elongation. Those are

476
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:57.039
natural recovery processes that any plant,
particularly if that's young and vigorously growing,

477
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.440
will go through and the node bend
and then try to reorient themselves to the

478
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.840
sun. That does cause a certain
amount of node elongation. It is not

479
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:13.840
the no elongation that we're talking about. What we're talking about is way in

480
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:21.280
excess of what you see doe to
phototropism or gravitropism. But when you also

481
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:27.960
find it in sanding crop which has
never been flattened, obviously it rules out

482
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:36.760
completely that particular explanation offered by the
debunkers. Now in controls, have you

483
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.760
ever has that ever been found in
controls or like you said, Burke was

484
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:46.159
going to do some research about other
instances of possibly some of these effects.

485
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.000
Have you ever seen did you ever
find that there is some natural variation in

486
00:45:52.159 --> 00:46:00.599
node lengths apical node length as well
as all the others in any growing system,

487
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.119
any growing crop. It's not exactly
standardized, even a hybridized crop,

488
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:12.679
so you will see from time to
time of very some node lengthening in apical

489
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.719
nodes in the controls. The point
here is that we're not looking at one

490
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:24.320
plant or five plants or ten.
We're looking at hundreds or thousands of plants

491
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:31.760
and then doing a statistical analysis of
all of the samples versus all of the

492
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:38.440
controls. We don't make these determinations
based on single plants or small groups of

493
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:46.800
them. Now, the second most
important finding in the plants, which is

494
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:52.599
visible, and this one is always
visible if it is present, is something

495
00:46:52.679 --> 00:47:00.480
we termed expulsion cavities. These are
holes blown out at the nodes in the

496
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:07.360
formation plants. Usually they occur in
When we first noticed them, we was

497
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:15.119
finding them primarily in the second node
below the seedhead. Later on, as

498
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:19.920
years went by, we started to
see them also in the third nodes and

499
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:25.039
sometimes in the fourth and in extreme
cases we would find these expulsion cavities,

500
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:30.519
these holes in all of the nodes, from the top node all the way

501
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.679
down to the base of the plant. They were in very extreme cases,

502
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:39.320
but interestingly this year in England that
is exactly what we have seen again,

503
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:47.440
expulsion cavities all the way down the
nodes in the affected plants. Now,

504
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:54.400
both of these results, the node
elongation and the expulsion cavities, are caused,

505
00:47:54.519 --> 00:48:02.320
we think by exposure of the plants
to a very rapid, very intense

506
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:12.920
or varying in intensity bursts of microwave
radiation. The majority of the moisture in

507
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:21.119
the plant's stem is contained at the
nodes. When the microwaves hit this collection

508
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.800
of moisture, which is how the
plant gets all its nutrients, of course,

509
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:31.280
what happens is that the moisture turns
instantly to steam. Steam, of

510
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:38.760
course, then expands the space in
which it occurs. As this steam attempts

511
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:45.360
to escape, but confines of the
node. The top node, which is

512
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:51.039
the most, the newest, the
youngest, is also the most elastic,

513
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:57.119
the fibers around it will stretch.
And what happens is the steam seeps out

514
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:02.519
through those top nodes and lance gone. It leaves them stretched in a permanently

515
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:08.599
stretched position. Gotcha. Farther down
the plant stems, the fibers are much

516
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:14.159
tougher. They are not elastic.
That's how a plant stands up for heven

517
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.920
sakes, they don't stretch. So
when the steam builds up there, when

518
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:23.360
there is enough moisture down there,
and the microwave component of this energy system

519
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:30.880
is intense enough, that also turns
the steam down there. And as the

520
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:36.360
steam builds up, it simply blows
a hole right through the node. So,

521
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:44.119
in our opinion, these two results
are both associated with the moisture content

522
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:49.320
inside the plant stems. At the
moment the cross circle has occurred, the

523
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:54.559
intensity level of the microwave component,
the heating component of this energy system,

524
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.880
causing the moisture to turn to steam
and then the steam escape whatever way it

525
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.840
can. At the top note,
it stretches them. Lower down, it

526
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.719
blows these holes. Do you ever
find these expulsion cavities and standing plants?

527
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:14.519
Yes? And another very good question, I think you've done your homework,

528
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:22.559
which is delightful because most people don't. The expulsion cavities are almost never,

529
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:30.760
very very rarely seen out in the
control areas. However, along the tram

530
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.760
lines, these are the tractor lines
that go through the fields, because many

531
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:43.400
of these fields are sown by tractor
and they are sprayed by tractors. So

532
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:47.239
there'll be these straight lines that go
through the fields. Not in all fields,

533
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:51.679
by the way, but in many
of the English fields you will find

534
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:58.159
these things we call tram lines,
that's their word for tractor. The tractor

535
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:05.920
lines or tram lines off goes through
the crop formations in various places. Sometimes

536
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.039
the formations are centered on them.
More often they are not, but the

537
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:15.199
tram lines, which can be spaced
anywhere from about forty to eighty feet apart,

538
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:21.000
depending on the size of the tractor. You see. Often these lines

539
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:25.719
do run through formations, and in
many cases what we have seen is that

540
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:35.000
the crop that runs along the edges
of the tramlines will have the same signs

541
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:43.199
the no elongation and the expulsion cavity
evidence for some distance down the tramlines or

542
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:50.079
up the tramlines, in other words, for some distance away from the flattened

543
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:55.239
crop itself. This occurs almost always
only along these tramlines, and only for

544
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:02.119
a relatively short distance, except these
enormous events which we're starting to see now

545
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:07.800
in England, and from this year
again, I know that in some of

546
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:13.559
these very large formations, these expulsion
cavities were found not only in the formation

547
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:20.519
samples themselves, but way down the
tram lines for a considerable distance. And

548
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.920
even more particularly this year, we
had a number of formations which occurred in

549
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.719
England when on farmers' lands, where
the farmers don't like this, and they

550
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:37.199
cut the formations down immediately literally the
next morning, and within a day or

551
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:45.800
so another formation would occur in the
same field very close by, and thankful

552
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.079
Lord, our researcher this year was
able to look at some of these events

553
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:55.440
and we found not only expulsion cavities
in the one that had been cut because

554
00:52:55.480 --> 00:53:00.280
often the farmers only cut off their
heads when they go in there, leaving

555
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:07.159
the bottom nodes for us to examine. We also found the expulsion cavities in

556
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:13.599
the replacement crop circle, if you
will, and we found them in all

557
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:20.400
of the crop in between the two
formations. Wow, is this year the

558
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.639
first time you've seen that happen these
Like you said, it's the first time

559
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:28.239
we've had the opportunity to see it, because it's the first time we've had

560
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.079
anybody in the field when a formation
occurred that was cut out and then was

561
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.880
followed by another one. Yeah.
Wow, But by the grace of God,

562
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.400
we did have somebody there. We
were able to document it, and

563
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.320
the work is being done now as
a huge amount that has to be done.

564
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.800
But eventually the photographs of all this
will be put up on the BLT

565
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:54.559
website so that everybody can see the
particular formations in which we were able to

566
00:53:54.599 --> 00:54:00.719
prove this. Wow and well definitely
for the listeners and will exists at the

567
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.840
end too. We'll have Nancy on
again in a month or so to talk

568
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.159
about some of the findings from this
year, because I know this year was

569
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:13.480
an extraordinary year for circles. Yeah, as definitely was. Now the moon

570
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.119
right along on the plant changes.
As I say, those are the only

571
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:23.119
two visible signs. And people need
to know that expulsion cavities do not occur

572
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:31.199
in all genuine formations. They occur
when the moisture content is great enough in

573
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:37.960
the plants and when the microwave component
is strong enough. This is not the

574
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:44.239
case in all genuine formations, particularly
as you go later on in the season

575
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.239
the plants dry down. Of course, as you get close to the harvest,

576
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:53.000
there's very little moisture inside the plant's
them. Further, the energy,

577
00:54:53.679 --> 00:55:01.880
the various energy components in this energy
system vary from formation to formation, so

578
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:09.280
the microwave component may or may not
be intense enough to cause the expulsion cavities.

579
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:17.920
That's the point to keep in their
minds now evidence of another energy component.

580
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:23.320
We know that if you take normal
plants, normal crop and put them

581
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:29.400
in a microwave of and you can
produce both these no elongations and expulsion cavities.

582
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.760
Turn the microwave on and set it
a certain setting and boom, you

583
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:37.719
can do it. So we're pretty
confident that the changes we've spoken about so

584
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:43.840
far are related to exposure of the
plants to microwave radiation or something that works

585
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:47.719
just like it. But we know
that there are other effects in the plants

586
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:55.159
which are a much more positive change
that are not caught by harmful radiation,

587
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:01.960
and we were able to run down
some of these other energies, in particular

588
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:10.639
the electrical pulse components eleven. Early
on began to realize that the seed development

589
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:19.039
in many of the crop circle plants
was massively altered when the microwave component was

590
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:24.320
very intense, and if the formation
occurred in young crop before the seed is

591
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:31.199
fully formed, the seeds often did
not complete formation, they never developed normally.

592
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.400
In other words, those seeds where
or those plants were essentially sterilized.

593
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:43.039
The seeds did not develop normally,
they would not produce seedlings when planted.

594
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:50.880
Therefore, the plants were essentially sterilized. However, it was discovered in time

595
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:58.440
that when crop circles occurred in mature
plants here we're talking about the end of

596
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.800
July and August in England when the
plant is fully formed, the seeds are

597
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.679
fully formed, and the crop is
beginning to drive down. In those events,

598
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:15.360
the seeds were also found to be
smaller, to weigh less, to

599
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:22.079
have a very dehydrated appearance. However, when those seedlings were those seeds were

600
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:29.519
planted, when growth experiments were carried
down, we discovered that frequently the seeds

601
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:35.760
from the mature cross circle samples,
although dehydrated, although weighing less, although

602
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:40.480
looking like they would not germanate,
germinated and grew at up to five times

603
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:46.480
the rate of normal. They did
this without water or sunlight for long periods

604
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:53.920
of time, and they produced greater
yield. This was a stunning finding and

605
00:57:54.039 --> 00:58:00.239
as far as I'm concerned, is
the most important plant result that we have

606
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:06.320
obtained to date. Leaven, Goood
and Burk worked on this. They also

607
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:12.719
realized that this was an extremely important
discovery because it implied that if you could

608
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:19.760
discover whatever energy was responsible for that, you could then treat normal seeds and

609
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:27.079
perhaps produce a seed that would grow
in drought conditions or grow in areas where

610
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.719
there's very little sunlight. In other
words, you might be able to produce

611
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:39.119
much more food in areas where people
are currently starving. Right through a number

612
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:45.760
of tests, and it took quite
a long time, leaven Goood eventually was

613
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:53.920
able to discover that a very particular
kind of electrical pulse could produce this same

614
00:58:54.159 --> 00:59:01.880
result in them normal seed. The
process was called called the mir process.

615
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.719
They patented it, and all of
this information, by the way, is

616
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:12.719
on the Plant Abnormalities page of the
BLT website. I think this is item

617
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:17.199
number seven, but it's all there. At any rate, they did patent

618
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:24.719
the process. They built machines and
produced tons of treated seeds, which were

619
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:34.719
then sent to various seed companies around
the world and many academic agricultural institutions.

620
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:42.679
All of these people then planted the
treated seeds next to control seeds and documented

621
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:47.000
the progress. What was found,
and there are several papers written to this

622
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:52.960
effect, was that with certain types
of seed, if I remember correctly,

623
00:59:53.599 --> 01:00:00.039
tornado plants were one of the types. Cotton was another, corned maze was

624
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.599
another. There were a hover of
carrots. I can remember that clearly.

625
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:10.400
There were a number of different types
of seeds which clearly showed a thirty to

626
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:19.480
thirty five percent or greater increase in
yield, and they all showed a much

627
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:24.960
more tolerant response to what are called
plant stressors. This means lack of sunlight

628
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.559
or lack of water. The plants
grew anyhow, and they produced greater yield

629
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:39.119
under these stressed conditions. When was
this during the end of the nineties the

630
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:45.519
early part of the twenty first century? So did anybody adopt this as a

631
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:50.840
process? To eleven Burke, this
was what Burke spent a great deal of

632
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:57.440
his energy doing during that period.
Their attempt was to sell this this technology

633
01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:02.400
to some of the or to any
of the sea companies. What they found,

634
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.320
to everybody's enormous distress. Well,
it's a very simple process. This

635
01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:14.000
is not a complex thing. The
situation of doing this, the building of

636
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.960
this equipment. Once it was discovered, it was not hard to replicate.

637
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:27.079
But there is no there's no way
to make money from it for the big

638
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:32.360
sea companies. It's a simple enough
process. You do not control the next

639
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:37.280
generation of seed. In fact,
the next generation of seed is likely to

640
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:43.639
also produce greater yield because of this, At least in John Burke's opinion,

641
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:51.360
Montano and all the other major city
companies were not interested. It gave them

642
01:01:51.400 --> 01:02:00.599
no control over the product. It
in fact could not make them the kind

643
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:09.000
of money that their notions of genetic
manipulation could make, and he was totally

644
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:15.679
unsuccessful in being able to sell the
technology. My personal sense is that they

645
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:22.239
should have given the technology. I
was not involved in any of this full

646
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:28.480
profit venture, and it is my
personal opinion it should have been given to

647
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:35.960
the population. However, the fact
of the matter is the process was not

648
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.400
sold, and the company which was
set up to do so, pro seed

649
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:45.800
Tech, which had a website for
quite a while, has now completely folded

650
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:50.480
and I had to remove the link
from the website. I gave the link

651
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.199
to their company for a long time. And what would that take? Well,

652
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:59.960
how would you, you know,
get these electrical impulses onto these seas.

653
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.840
So they built equipment they would simply
deliver them. You run the seed

654
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:07.760
through the equipment, it would deliver
the pulses. The work there was in

655
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:15.159
figuring out exactly what sort of electrical
pulse and for how long an exposure time.

656
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.760
You had to do this with each
individual kind of seed. You see,

657
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.880
it varies from seed type to seed
type, and you have to know

658
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:30.519
those exact details to calibrate the machine
correctly. For whatever kind of seeds you're

659
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:36.880
running through it. But the basic
process is not complex. It's figuring out

660
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:42.559
exactly how to apply it to each
type of seed. And all of the

661
01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:46.119
work that was done all of the
by this is not done by John or

662
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:53.719
Lefty. There were all these other
academic institutions taking the seed which John had

663
01:03:53.760 --> 01:04:00.679
treated for them, and simply growing
it down themselves in very parts of this

664
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:09.639
country and other countries, and reporting
these massively increased yields and much greater ability

665
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.840
to tolerate stress, over and over
and over again. There was no question

666
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:21.199
that the process worked. It was
apparently that no one could figure out how

667
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:28.159
to make money from it, which
desects the project. Yep, that's what

668
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.760
it's all about. Can't make money
off of it, it's not worth existing

669
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:41.320
in modern days. Huh. Apparently
a very sad development as far as I

670
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:46.079
was concerned. Well, I know
there's at least one more effect on these

671
01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:51.679
circles that isn't visible. Yes,
And this is again something that has to

672
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:59.079
be determined in the lab. This
is the Beer Lambert application. In physics,

673
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:04.960
there is principle called the Beer Lambert
principle, and it's a mathematical description

674
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:15.719
of the effects of electromagnetic energy on
matter. It describes precisely what it can

675
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:23.599
be expected, the degree of change
that can be expected relative to the distance

676
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:30.519
from the source of the energy.
How it was discovered in some formations that

677
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:39.880
the nod length change, this is, the apical node length change, diminished

678
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:46.840
in precise proportion, in exact agreement
with what is predicted by the Beer Lambert

679
01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:53.960
theory, the Beer Lambert principle.
And we found in a number of cases

680
01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:58.880
if you sampled the plants in the
center of a formation, let's say,

681
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:03.519
and then sampled five feet farther towards
the edge, another five feet farther towards

682
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.679
the edge, another five feet,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,

683
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:13.599
out to the actual flattened edge,
you would find that the node length

684
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:23.519
decreased in an exact agreement with what
the Deer Lambert principle would predict. Furthermore,

685
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:29.239
we found in the several formations that
the standing crop beginning at the very

686
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.400
edge of a circle, let's say, and then extending out into the field

687
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:40.639
again when the controls were taken at
the edge of the circle, and then

688
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.239
let's say, just for instance,
every five feet. It could have been

689
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.159
every four or any three or whatever, out into the field farther and farther

690
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:55.039
and farther away. Again, the
node length difference at the edge would decrease,

691
01:06:55.280 --> 01:07:01.119
an exact agreement with what would be
predicted by the Lambert principle. What

692
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:10.679
this clearly demonstrates is that the nod
length change was a function of exposure to

693
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:17.880
electro magnetic energies, not to a
plank or a board or And it would

694
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:26.559
seem that the microwave explanation alone would
not be sufficient either. No, we

695
01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:34.599
know that the increased growth and yield
is due to these electrical pulses because we

696
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:41.079
were able to replicate that. And
so that tells us that the energy system

697
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:47.079
must have number one, a microwave
component or a seating agency component. We

698
01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:54.400
think microwaves are the most reasonable.
Number two, it must also have this

699
01:07:54.559 --> 01:08:01.400
electrical component. Then we began because
of an incident that occurred in nineteen ninety

700
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:09.400
three, in which it occurred during
the Perseed meteor shower of nineteen ninety three

701
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:15.599
and a popsicle form during that period
in which it was discovered that there was

702
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:21.600
a coating of what appeared to be
molten metal on some of the plant's stems.

703
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:28.880
We were fortunate enough to be able
to look at samples from that event

704
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:39.079
and to eventually determine that the material, this molten material was a molten iron,

705
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:43.920
which Levenhood and Burke in the paper
that was published in nineteen ninety five,

706
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:51.039
determined that, in their opinion,
this material was the result of microscopic

707
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:57.520
particles of meteoritic dust which filled it
down to Earth all the time, but

708
01:08:57.680 --> 01:09:02.960
during the perseed meteor shower are heavier
because you've got meteors entering the Earth's atmosphere

709
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:09.159
burning up, so you have these
meteoritic particles of dust filtering down in much

710
01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:18.880
greater numbers. And it was their
opinion that this magnetized iron molten iron in

711
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:27.479
conjunction with tiny little iron spheres magnetized
iron spheres which were also found in that

712
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:34.479
formation and now many many times since, that this material was caught up as

713
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:44.439
it filtered to Earth normally in a
lotating energetic plasma system which heated up the

714
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.720
particles into the molten state, and
then as it impacted the Earth's surface both

715
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:56.239
created the crop circle and left this
molten material on the plant stems and embedded

716
01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.279
in the seed heads and in these
tiny little spheres scaled throughout the formation.

717
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:06.840
This told us that magnetic fields were
also involved, and Livingood, with his

718
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:15.359
background in physics, became more and
more convinced that the causative agency behind the

719
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:26.159
crop circles had to involve a rotating
plasma. Plasmas are known to emit microwaves

720
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:32.039
when they spiral. Plasmas are known
to be associated with these unusual electrical pulses

721
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:38.720
when they spiral, and they are
also known to have strong magnetic fields.

722
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:46.079
Therefore, the theoretical he developed slowly
but surely this idea, the theory that

723
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:55.479
rotating plasma systems were involved in the
creation of crop circles. All of this

724
01:10:55.560 --> 01:11:00.880
is based on simply what he had
observed in the plants and the soils.

725
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:09.960
It is the most reasonable hypothesis available
so far. It may not be the

726
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:19.279
final hypothesis, but I cannot personally
think that plasmas are not involved in the

727
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:27.960
copsicle situation. Somehow, the information
from the plants and soils is too thoroughly

728
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:32.119
documented, and at the moment we
have no other mechanism that is known to

729
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:38.439
science that could explain what we've actually
seen. Now, at first did you

730
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:43.960
imagine that or suspect that this could
be some sort of naturally occurring. Oh,

731
01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:47.880
we've always approached it from that point
that you know, nature is an

732
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:57.119
extremely sophisticated situation, and there's a
great deal about nature that people don't know

733
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:00.159
that science is not aware of yet. We know, for instance, when

734
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:09.000
it comes to these of plasma plasmas, that many plasma discharge that everybody knows

735
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.439
about, of course, is a
lightning strike. This is a plasma discharge

736
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:18.319
at the Earth's surface. The intensity
level of that discharge is much too great

737
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.399
to be an explanation for the crop
circles, whether the plants would be burned,

738
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:25.840
You wouldn't you know, You wouldn't
get the designs, et cetera.

739
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:33.119
Another plasma discharge near the Earth,
This is at about six miles to eight

740
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:39.520
miles above the earth surface are the
Northern Lights, and this is a much

741
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:45.760
less energetic, a much more moderate
discharge of plasma. During the years we

742
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:51.239
were working on all of this,
another form of plasma discharge was discovered brand

743
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:57.800
new blue jets, which occur I
think at around six miles above the earth

744
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:03.479
surface. They had been reported for
u years science by pilots but the scientists

745
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:09.640
didn't find out about them and document
them properly until about fifteen years ago.

746
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:18.600
Then more recently than that, what
they call them red red nose maybe their

747
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:24.399
sprites have been documented. And if
it's new, there's another new thing again,

748
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.720
a plasma discharge, which has only
been discovered in the last seven or

749
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:31.760
eight years. And so it's quite
clear that there is a lot more to

750
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:40.359
be learned about atmospheric science and about
plasmas in particular. Loving Good postulates that

751
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:46.039
an unknown type of plasma, one
that is still not yet recognized by the

752
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:54.920
science community, is involved in the
formation of ob circles. Now you know

753
01:13:55.039 --> 01:14:00.479
ultimately whether that will I don't think
that's the final word. But I cannot

754
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:08.880
personally believe that the discharging plasma is
not involved in the crop circle situation.

755
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.279
I think it is, but it's
just not the complete answer. Yeah,

756
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:19.079
because ahead just getting back to like
the pie circle, natural occurring plasma,

757
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:28.920
how LETU creates a symbolic pie formation
that well, I'm not saying it couldn't,

758
01:14:28.960 --> 01:14:35.239
because I don't know that it couldn't. Of multiple plasma vortices interacting could

759
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:43.000
easily create many of the extremely complex
formations we have seen there is no question

760
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:47.199
of this. Elevengoode wrote a paper
that was published in Nature in I think

761
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:55.199
it was nineteen sixty six in which
he discusses vortex instability. In that case,

762
01:14:55.399 --> 01:15:02.720
he was discussing experiments he conducted of
vortex instability in water. A slightly

763
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:11.640
more dense material, a clay like
material, was dropped or was placed very

764
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:18.560
carefully in absolutely still water, and
photographs were taken of this material as it

765
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:26.840
descended through the absolutely still water,
and it illustrates beautifully the concept of vortex

766
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:34.399
instability. What happens is that the
original design, the original particle, breaks

767
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:41.479
down into multiple very intricate designs,
every single one of which is different.

768
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:49.560
Now in science, physicists know that
air is a medium very much like water.

769
01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:59.279
Certain effects which occur in water absolutely
also occur in air. This was

770
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:06.920
the basis of Leaven Good's idea that
multiple sophisticated, intricate designs could in fact

771
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:15.239
result due to certain laws in thermodynamics, and also because of this vortex instability,

772
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:19.199
which he had already demonstrated and so
of many other people. As a

773
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:30.920
plasma multifaceted interactive plasma vortex system descended
through the Earth's atmosphere down to the crop

774
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:41.399
surface. That being said, the
idea that a totally spontaneously occurring plasma system

775
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:49.000
could produce something like the pie formation
is perhaps a bit of a stretch.

776
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:59.600
To me. It suggests that there
is some sort of consciousness, and by

777
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:08.600
that I open a huge pandelic box. We could be talking interdimensional consciousnesses.

778
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:14.720
We could be talking collective unconscious you
know Young's idea. We could be talking

779
01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:19.840
all sorts of concepts that I haven't
gotten names for. Not to mention extraterrestrial

780
01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:29.319
consciousness. I have no idea specifically
what sort of consciousness, But to me

781
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:38.520
it appears that the cop circle phenomenon
must be also approached with the idea that

782
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:46.840
a consciousness of some kind other than
the completely adherent consciousness of nature, which

783
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:51.399
I guess we don't really understand either. But it appears to me that something

784
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:56.560
in addition to that is at work. And it may be if such a

785
01:17:56.640 --> 01:18:05.199
consciousness exists, that it is utilizing
the physical principles of a plasma discharge in

786
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:12.319
the overall causation event. A consciousness
that's getting increasingly stubborn this year, that

787
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:18.760
is repeating itself once it's designs are
destroyed. It seems well that in fact

788
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:24.960
did occur this year, and it
does lead one in that direction. So

789
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.920
a couple of the questions autould I
make a few other points? How much

790
01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.039
time do we have? We've got
ten minutes. I know I was going

791
01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:35.359
to say with this show, we
have ninety minutes, which is a short

792
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:41.319
conversation when it comes to our conversations. But yeah, you've got about ten

793
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:46.000
minutes left, all right. Well, in the plan abnormality section, this

794
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:53.520
is a very critical part of for
if people want to understand, to get

795
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:58.000
a solid idea of what the science
has shown us so far. In that

796
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:01.359
section, there is something that is
constantly misunderstood, and I'd like to talk

797
01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:06.920
about it for a minute, and
that is bending of the plants. There

798
01:19:06.920 --> 01:19:13.359
are two types of bending. One
is at the base of the plants,

799
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:17.239
where they come out of the ground. The other is at the nodes,

800
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:24.279
any one of the three four nodes
in the plant stem. Now, bending

801
01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:30.119
at the base of the plant can
be very significant. It has not been

802
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:34.840
evaluated scientifically, but I'm not sure
it has to be. For the points

803
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:42.840
I'm going to make in some crop
circles, as if most people know they

804
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:47.159
occur in a wide variety of plants. One of those plants is in England

805
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:53.359
and in several other countries something called
rape seed or come all of a plant.

806
01:19:53.960 --> 01:20:00.960
It's a very thick, somewhat celery
like stock which is not very pliant

807
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:08.760
and becomes very brittle as the plants
go to flour. These stalks, when

808
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:15.199
crop circles occur in that plant,
are often found to be bent absolutely at

809
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:20.159
a ninety degree angle as they come
out of the soil. There is no

810
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:24.880
way that you can do that.
I don't care what you do unless you

811
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:28.079
took a hair dryer to every single
plant and a huge, you know,

812
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:31.000
a couple hundred foot formation. I
guess you might be able to do that,

813
01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:35.279
but you can't make those stems bend. If you try to bend them,

814
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.000
they break. That's what I was
gonna ask. I'm glad you brought

815
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:41.439
that up, because that was a
big question I wanted to ask, because

816
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:46.880
those bends, well, it is
very important in certain plants. It is

817
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:55.159
not at all informative in others.
Beyond the barley, young wheat, young

818
01:20:55.279 --> 01:21:00.439
oats when they're green are quite pliant. You can take aboard and smush them

819
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:08.079
over and they will bend and not
break when they are pliant. Therefore,

820
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:15.319
bending at the base in young green
cereal plants of those sorts doesn't mean anything

821
01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:20.720
in particular. However, when the
plants, the cereal crops, and here

822
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:27.319
I'm talking about rye oats, arguing
on barley wheat, the primary plants in

823
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:32.479
which cropt circles occur. When you
see croft circles in mature crop where it

824
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:38.479
is now brown and dry out towards
the end of the season, this being

825
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:43.279
mid July through August, or depending
on how far far North York and even

826
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:47.640
go in October in some places,
in those plants, when you see bending

827
01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.359
at the base instead of the plant, the plants being crushed or broken,

828
01:21:53.199 --> 01:22:00.439
then it is significant because if you
try mechanically yourself to flatten some standing crop

829
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:04.319
in that situation, you will find
that the plants do not bend, they

830
01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:11.000
break, they become crushed. So
that's one Those are things to keep in

831
01:22:11.039 --> 01:22:16.399
mind when trying to evaluate bending at
the base. However, there's something else.

832
01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:20.880
It's bending at the node, and
this is very important and is completely

833
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:31.439
misunderstood with almost everyone I speak with. Young vigorously growing crop when flattened by

834
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:36.520
any means a roller, a plank, or aboard your feet, or the

835
01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:44.920
phenomenon itself. Unless the plant is
crushed and or broken, the plants continue

836
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:48.399
to grow, and what they will
do. The younger they are, the

837
01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:55.560
more vigorously they do this. They
begin to reorient themselves to gravity that's called

838
01:22:55.600 --> 01:23:03.399
gravitropism and to sunlight that's called photos
These are absolutely natural, normal processes in

839
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:10.119
the plants as they do so,
they do this at the nodes. They

840
01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:17.560
reorient themselves, depending on their age, depending on the amount of moisture inside

841
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:23.520
toward the sun. Sometimes they do
it at the top node, the apical

842
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:28.560
node. Sometimes they'll do it farther
down the plants stem, and they do

843
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:33.560
it fairly quickly when they're young.
So if a formation occurs, it's in

844
01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:39.760
the northern hemisphere somewhere in the beginning
of June, and let's say it's June

845
01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:44.760
second, and you get to see
that formation on June second, or third,

846
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:48.960
or fourth, or maybe even fifth, and you see massive node bending

847
01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:57.479
that cannot be accounted for by phototropism
or gravitropism. That is probably something that

848
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:02.279
happened when the formation occurred. But
if you get there four or five days

849
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:09.279
after the formation occurred, or several
weeks after, or you don't know when

850
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:15.119
the formation occurred. And you see
mark bending at the nodes, you have

851
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:20.800
absolutely no way of knowing whether that
bending occurred when the event occurred, or

852
01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:28.399
whether it is these natural recovery processes, gotcha, So no bending has to

853
01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:33.279
be very carefully evaluated. Yeah,
I'm definitely glad you got that in there,

854
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:39.199
because this show serves as a great
base for those effects to look for.

855
01:24:39.560 --> 01:24:42.720
And in the next couple of minutes, we actually have quite a few

856
01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:46.119
people on that live in the UK. Maybe we could do a little bit

857
01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:48.760
of sure, get them on.
Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, if

858
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:55.560
you want to help out BLT Research
bltresearch dot com. What does that take?

859
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.680
I would like it if they would
simply email me. On the BLT

860
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:05.960
research website you will see report a
crop circle. Click on that. It

861
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:09.800
brings up a form if you fill
it in and mail it to me.

862
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:14.039
Can others email me? I will
get back in touch with you. If

863
01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:17.000
people like they can call me at
the phone which is airy code six one

864
01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:24.560
seven four nine two zero four one
five. This is in Cambridge, Massachusetts

865
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:29.399
and this information is all on the
website. So either email me or call

866
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.479
me, or just write a letter. The address the addresses there also and

867
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:38.000
let me know what you're interested in, what you'd like to do, what

868
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:42.079
your availability is, what your background
is, et cetera. Yes, you

869
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.600
can actually get on on this because, as you would agree, there's a

870
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.000
lot of research that still needs to
be done tons yep. So there's a

871
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:53.239
lot of work out there. Well, what we've been able to do on

872
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:59.520
Alejandro is we've laid a foundation.
There is an enormous amount of stuff still

873
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:03.039
beinged. We're still doing work,
but there are many things. I mean,

874
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:09.239
you could get many people involved just
on the physical stuff. I mean,

875
01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:12.319
then there's also, of course everything
else. But there's a lot more

876
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:16.479
work in examining physical effects that it
hasn't been done yet. Yeah, I

877
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:21.039
mean it would be a huge feat. But how incredible would it be if

878
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:28.279
we had a database that showed what
effects were found at these different crop circles,

879
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:31.840
some of them which have amazing designs. Well, we've got quite a

880
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:39.119
bit and these published papers are on
the website under published papers. Some of

881
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:43.640
the soil information is there, and
there's another entire study that I would love

882
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:46.039
to spend an hour and a half
talking with you about ye, the X

883
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:53.600
rated fraction study, which is the
most comprehensive scientific work that has been done

884
01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:59.960
to date and absolutely corroborates eleven Goods
early work, but adds another whole lay

885
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:02.520
to it. Oh great, So
we'll definitely talk about that, and like

886
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:08.600
I said, we'll have Nancy on
again in a few weeks to talk about

887
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:13.399
two thousand and nine crop circles in
particular. There were some people asking questions

888
01:27:13.399 --> 01:27:15.359
in the chat that we just weren't
able to get to, but we'll get

889
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.720
to that next time, and then
soon after that we'll even go further and

890
01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:26.479
get into some more amazing research that
Nancy has done in Holland. And you

891
01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:29.520
can see all of the little bit
of this on the BLT well, a

892
01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:33.720
lot of this stuff on the BLT
research page. But thanks for being on

893
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:40.039
the show, Nancy. I really
appreciate your giving me the opportunity all hunger.

894
01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:44.399
Thanks so much. The time really
flew, but luckily we'll have you

895
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:47.159
on again and hope everybody likes the
new time. It looks like we have

896
01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:51.399
a lot more Europeans on with this
earlier time, which is great, So

897
01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:56.800
thanks for all of them joining us
very happy to answer any emails from Europeans

898
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.920
with questions. Great, yeah,
I know you do a lot of work

899
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:03.279
out there and with the Europeans.
Well. Thanks alahango, talk to you

900
01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:08.279
soon again. All right, thank
you, talk to you later, everybody.

901
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:13.800
Thank you for joining the show and
we hope to see you next time.

902
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:17.439
Check out Openminds dot tv for everything
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903
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.720
Facebook and open Minds group that you
can check out. And if you want

904
01:28:20.720 --> 01:28:25.479
to post some things on the UFO
think Tank Wall, which I still have

905
01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:30.319
my site up there, or on
the group the open Minds group, that'd

906
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:33.600
be great. We'd let me see
it, but we will hope you I

907
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:41.079
hope that you are posting or linking
the BLT website from yours on your constacles.

908
01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:44.439
Oh well, we don't have our
link site up, but I do

909
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:48.359
have your link on the thing for
the show today. Great yep, and

910
01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:53.159
that'll remain up there so anybody listening
to the show will see the link and

911
01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:59.239
hear it multiple times. All right, everybody, have a great remainder of

912
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:48.239
your week. It's Happy Friday.
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01:29:48.520 --> 01:30:38.520
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