WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:13.759 M hm. He was cold cold. That was the nam he was cold. 2 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:25.559 Mine. What's going on up there? Could be the most important event 3 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:40.359 in history? Now I'm the cold the destroyer worlds, I said. I 4 00:00:40.359 --> 00:01:03.280 hope this is close to hell. It's all ever again. Hello and welcome 5 00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:07.319 to the Tailsman Dark Podcast. I'm your host Bob here with my co host 6 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:10.959 Brittany. Hey guys, what's up Brittany? How is it going? Is 7 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.319 are you doing? Okay? I hope so you hope? So? I 8 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:19.400 hope so you poison me? So moving on? Okay, I want to 9 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.000 give it a quick shout out to Dustin Nice. Um was it last week 10 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:29.359 of the week before I had this epiphany, this random you know memory if 11 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:33.159 my childhood popped up? About all I gave you guys to go. One 12 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:38.319 was a stinky toy like skunk kids. Yeah, when you squeeze it, 13 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.319 it smells like a skunk. I gave you guys nothing really to go on 14 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:46.359 and then has it? What happened? I get a stink Blasters package in 15 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:51.799 our po box. Yes, So the kid's name ended up being skunk Punk 16 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.319 and it was part of the stink Blasters universe, which was a late nineties 17 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:01.040 early two thousand's toy they had like toe Jam Ta God on Patreon. When 18 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:05.159 we do the top episode, I will go through all the names and it 19 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.639 just progressively gets worse. Yeah, they had no rules for kids. Yeah, 20 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:12.039 but it's it's amazing. I definitely appreciate you sending then, And if 21 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:14.120 anyone wants to send any stuff to our PO box, you can find the 22 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.360 information on our Facebook group, in our website. In the website, yeah, 23 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:21.520 we put it we Tail from the Dark dot net. Yes. Yeah, 24 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:23.800 We've had some really cool stuff into the PO box over the years, 25 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:28.199 like we had the Bobbles our sign poster, we had some fan arts and 26 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.599 in it's just it's always a fun time as long as it's not a furbie 27 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:34.800 in the fucking PO box. Yeah. I was gonna say, we're not 28 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.759 gonna talk about the whole box of fur because I have sitting beside me. 29 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:39.000 Oh my god, I'm gonna burn those. At some point, I say, 30 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.280 I gotta get up the courage to look him in the eye and tell 31 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:45.120 them what they're done. And we need like thirty microwaves in a row. 32 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.120 Thirty microwaves. If you guys want to send us microwaves. The po box. 33 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.159 Please don't. That would be the best my product ever of the show. 34 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.319 We just have a thousand microwaves unopened for me Amazon for no reason. 35 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.879 Oh. So, for that being said, Barty our guest today. He's 36 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.439 a good buddy of ours. He was in the movie Fandom Farm with us. 37 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.199 We had him on the show what we're now funding to be like two 38 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.280 years ago. Yeah, I can't believe it's been that long. It's crazy 39 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:15.039 how fast time flies when you're talking about UFOs. Yeah. So that being 40 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:16.439 said, the only other thing I've an announcement for is we're going to be 41 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:22.280 doing the Listener Stories volume something. I'm not sure the exact volume at some 42 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.599 point this week. So I'm going to say tonight they cut off midnight or 43 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:28.919 no, I'm sorry, yeah, tonight's cut off midnight. Send in your 44 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.800 stories. We have quite a few to get through. But I know some 45 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:34.000 people are like, hey, I'm not sure if I'm gonna send this in 46 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.080 or if I'm gonna wait, go ahead and send it in and then if 47 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:39.479 you change your mind, too bad. No, I'm totally kiddy. If 48 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:43.639 you change your mind, we can always take it back out of the it's 49 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.319 already written. Stone we can't take it back. Okay, So Britney's in 50 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:47.800 charge. It's all folks. So with that being said, Britney, do 51 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:51.560 you want to give Austin Lawrence a phone call? Let's call the most haunted 52 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.560 man in America, in the world and the world. All right, let's 53 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:55.639 give him a call, all right, Britney. So I don't use this 54 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.840 term very often haunted, right right, but we might be going by the 55 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:03.560 most haunted man in America. Austin Lawrence. How are you doing, sir? 56 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:08.919 I'm doing great. How are you guys doing doing well? Excited to 57 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.199 have you back when it's been like a year, right, yeah, it's 58 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.759 it's been a long time, man, it's been a long time. Yeah. 59 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.879 I think the last thing we had you on was at the release of 60 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.920 your book Taylor Mill Horror. If I remember correctly, we're right around that 61 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:25.040 time. Yeah, that might have been been like two years. God, 62 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:29.680 I think it was two years. Holy crept. Okay, hey, time 63 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.199 flies when you're chasing demons. Man, I'm telling you, I just got 64 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.480 one question for you, Austin. What's up? Why are we in Charleston? 65 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.040 Would you send me that message the other day that you guys are going 66 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:47.680 through Charles. It literally like made my life. I was just busting out 67 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.759 laughing. So that's forever gonna be one of the best moments of my life. 68 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:56.199 Did distaste Did we tell this story on the podcast? I don't know, 69 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.199 but I want to hear Austin's rendition at this Yes, I think you 70 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.120 kind of hit or talked about it a little bit, but I mean I 71 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.879 do. All as I know is we're all tired, We're in the car. 72 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:09.480 I don't know where the hell we're going, but apparently we're going through 73 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.920 Charleston, which told me is no big deal, but to Brittany is like 74 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.920 the end of the world, like zombies are coming, We're all gonna die. 75 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.399 This is not okay. And so she's just like, why are we 76 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.399 going through Charleston? And Bob's like, I don't know, it's where it's 77 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.560 taking us. Two seconds later, so why are we going through Charleston? 78 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:29.000 Brittany, I don't know, it's where it takes but why are we going 79 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.399 through Charleston. It was one of those things that, like, after you 80 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:36.439 say the words so many times at so many that was the case of Charleston, 81 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:39.040 West Virginia, I'm like, I'm like, I don't, I don't 82 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.759 know why we're going through Charleston, but that's where it's fucking taking us. 83 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.319 We had spent the whole day like shooting guns and just being menaces. At 84 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:47.800 the Point Pleasant, I'm being tier yea, And it was just one of 85 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.480 those things where I had I still do this day. Don't know why it 86 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.360 took us through Charleston. And every time I hear that word, it's just 87 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:59.319 like like a sensory deparation bell. It's a trigger. Yeah, it hits, 88 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:00.639 and I'm like, yeah, I'm just looking for the nearest rock to 89 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.040 throw through a window. I don't, I don't understand. Drove us off 90 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:09.759 the bridge. It was fantastic. I remember we passed one building. Britney 91 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:12.120 was like, but what what is what is that building? Bombs like, 92 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.000 I don't know, maybe it's the Charleston Daily News, brittany where we were 93 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.879 in Charleston, right, I usually don't get that. I don't get that 94 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:24.040 frustrated usually on road trips, but something about that trip Point Pleasant can either 95 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:29.079 bring out the best or the absolute worst beings. That's very true. Yeah, 96 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:30.680 You're absolutely right, all right, Austin. So for those who may 97 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:34.879 not you know, be aware of your immaculate presence. Why don't you give 98 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.120 us an Usually I would introduce the guests, but you know, in this 99 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.759 case, you can just do it your damn self, all right. Wow. 100 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.240 Um, I would not use the term immaculate, but I am present. 101 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.519 Um. So you know, I've just been investigating the paranormal for probably 102 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:51.639 about I don't know, twelve thirteen years or something like that. Now, 103 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:57.480 yeah, Um, a couple of years ago put out Taylor Millhore about the 104 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.519 worst case that I had been on, um some years back, and uh, 105 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.839 you know, got lucky enough to be in Fantom Farm and uh, 106 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.240 now we're here. I what what Austin loves to leave at it? So 107 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:14.199 I met Austin over a decade ago at this point, Yeah, and Austin 108 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.600 was in a band called the Card Throwing Machine and we were we kind of 109 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.800 played shows like adjacent. Yeah, Like he was in a town like thirty 110 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.079 minutes north of me, and every now and then I would like come to 111 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.360 S and S skate shop and Lama. Austin's become a player. He would 112 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:29.759 come down to the Sydney Boat Club. We would play a show together. 113 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.079 And then Austin and I were in a band a few years ago. And 114 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.639 what's funny about this is this entire time iknew Austin for again, over a 115 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.839 decade, he never once said, Hey, you know I do paranlem one 116 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.680 investigation. I'm also a fucking weirdo. It never back then, it was 117 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:46.639 still even though the TV shows, it was still kind of taboo, right, 118 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:48.560 like you just didn't know people that, like it just wasn't something you 119 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.639 talked about. But it was so weird because it just like never came up 120 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:57.439 all the times we spent like in the studio at practice and each other's vehicles 121 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.800 at shows, it just never came up that like, hey, I also 122 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.560 talked to myself in the dark, and it's not weird because I'm talking to 123 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.120 dead people, Okay, right, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. 124 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.519 It's crazy because even when we got into that band together the second time, 125 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.480 I had no idea you were in it. Someone just hit me up like, 126 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.439 hey, come charalaha, this band's like all right, cool, yeah, 127 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:22.639 look, and I'm like, is that Bob, Like I hadn't seen 128 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.279 you for like how long, like ten years at that point. Yeah. 129 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:28.079 It was this is after I was out of the army, so it was 130 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.800 it was quiet, it was quite a while, and it was I mean, 131 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:31.759 it was fun. You know, we played some cool shows. You 132 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:35.480 know, don't call me Shirley. Is still that that just hits me in 133 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.200 a weird spot every time I hear that term. But uh yeah, yeah. 134 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:41.639 Like I said, I've known Awuestome for a long time and only recently 135 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.399 we kind of come back together. And it's it's weird how that seems to 136 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.120 happen in the pair of community where the weirdos always seemed to find one another. 137 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.120 And that's something that I've noticed that people you lose touch, like Tyler 138 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.720 Terry is a great example, who's part of the Fantom group. You know, 139 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.240 I've known Tyler same deal. We played music together in high school. 140 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.120 I uh, you know, I investigated with him, investigating with him in 141 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.279 high school. I was in the same grade as a sister. We fell 142 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:09.200 out completely. I forgot the guy existed. Then he like suddenly comes and 143 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.600 applies for a job where I work, and then everything is brought back together 144 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.000 this very weird synchronistic way. And that's why I think Phantom Farm worked so 145 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.360 well, Because you have Brittany, who had no interest in the paranormal She's 146 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:24.919 like, hey, right, I'm just here from North Carolina because we played 147 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:30.559 Legal Legends and you didn't like totally suck, and then everyone else had these 148 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.200 like weird little synchronistic ways that just lined us all back up into this group. 149 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.519 So I want to talk Phantom Farm with you a little bit because we 150 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.240 were going to have this big roundtable as soon as Swhenom Farms are kind of 151 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.039 going on the down from Amazon. Thankfully it has not gone on the downturn. 152 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:46.879 We're still getting downloads every month, new commoners, new people joined in 153 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:52.039 the group. So the Phantom Farm roundtable is still coming. But what kind 154 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.360 of went through your mind when I approached you for Phantom Farm? Yeah, 155 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.120 so you know, here's here's the thing about working with Bob Um. He 156 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.200 will hit you up and by hey, so what are you doing this day? 157 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.600 You're like nothing, like, oh okay, cool, let's hang out. 158 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:11.039 The next thing you know, you're in a fucking asylum filming a documentary. 159 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.960 Because that's exactly what happened to me. I don't even think I told 160 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.919 you we were filming when you came up for I think I think we had 161 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.720 like floated the idea, hey, we might record if something happens, we're 162 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.519 gonna record it. I think was the way that I approached you, and 163 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.320 that was it. Well, when you first when you first approached me, 164 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.200 you said, you guys think about doing a video. You're like, you 165 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.440 know, you just want to come help out. And then like the day 166 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.399 before when you finally told me where you were going, You're like, oh, 167 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.399 yeah, by the way, there's like this demon squid monster. I 168 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.720 just need you to catch it for me. Yeah, And I'm like what 169 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:43.559 You're like, yeah, demon squid monster in the basement, Like, would 170 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:46.639 you not understand? I'm like, okay, I get it. I got 171 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.320 the assignment. All right, let's go. I understand. Well, see, 172 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.720 I'm super glad to have you because you you were the only one with 173 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.720 me. We can finally talk about this candidly. The Phantom Farmers went out 174 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.559 for a while. If you haven't seen it, skip four, I'd say 175 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.600 seven or eight minutes here because because I want to talk to you about this. 176 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.840 You were with me during the footsteps. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 177 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.080 I didn't know if we're going there, if we're going to when you 178 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.919 got tacked by a drone, both good stories. We're gonna we're gonna we'll 179 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.720 hit that at the end. But you were with me during the footsteps, 180 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.240 which which in my paranormal career, as weird as that is to say, 181 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.200 that is the best evidence I've ever personally caught, And I wanted to kind 182 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:26.000 of float it to you, as someone who on the regular seas apparitions and 183 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:31.360 I'm pretty sure has some kind of like a specter girlfriend. What was going 184 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:33.519 through your mind when we heard the footsteps, because I mean, up to 185 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.200 that point, we were kind of getting fucked with on that floor a term, 186 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.240 So I want to hear it from your perspective when you heard those footsteps 187 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.399 directly in front of us, What were you thinking? I mean, you 188 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.720 know, like you said, it was one of those things where we were 189 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.559 getting frustrated because we were chasing this thing around, and we got to a 190 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.279 point where I remember, we had the women's side and the men's side. 191 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.519 We would be on the men's side, we hear from the woman's side, 192 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.240 we'd be on the woman's side. Here from the men's side, So we 193 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.240 split up and we stayed on you know, obbosite ends, and then we'd 194 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.960 hear it like in another area, like in between us. Yeah, so 195 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.200 you know, at the point where we heard the footsteps, we were kind 196 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.879 of just like, dude, I don't know what's going on. We were 197 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.159 kind of defeated, and then the footsteps just go buy and it's just like, 198 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.960 okay, there. It is like, I don't know what you think 199 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.720 other than Okay, that just happened. You know. It's just it was 200 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:28.519 so unexpected. But it's one of those things where like after you're like beat 201 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.720 down for so long. I don't want to say, it loses its hype, 202 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:35.000 but it's like, Okay, finally there we go, Okay, now 203 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.480 we know you're here. Well, because in that instance, what's kind out 204 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.840 of the film is we were up there for what thirty five forty minutes Brittany 205 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.759 something like that before that happened, I think, so I think we had 206 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.799 our rotations not remember correctly, and this was close to the end of that 207 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:54.480 hour. It was so weird because we had discussed this like Trickster with the 208 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.480 paranormal, because that seems to just follow every investigator that we talked to that 209 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:01.759 like I don't want to say, like really does it, but you know 210 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.039 what I mean. We have the weekend Warriors who go out to the group 211 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.600 events, and that's really all they do. Then there's the guys like us 212 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.000 who will do solo investigations with us. Do just me and Brittany, you'll 213 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.399 go out on your own like those are the people who do this enough that 214 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:20.080 they all can identify this same phenomenon, this trickster that just seems to you 215 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.440 know, for lack of a better term, or get off by fucking with 216 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.080 you. And in this instance, we were upstairs and we knew a good 217 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.720 bit of the history, but not enough to just say other than I think 218 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.960 it was Noah. I think it was a little boy's name. Who was 219 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.840 You know nothing about Noah before we That's right, none of us did, 220 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:41.559 except Tyler Maiden Nathan. But we didn't know anything about no We knew about 221 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.200 Doris, So sorry, Doris, that's was and I and it was yeah, 222 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.679 yeah, you came in completely blind. I remember that because we specifically 223 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.759 did not tell Austin anything except for the demon Squid. So now we have 224 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:00.799 to there's an elephant in the room that I'm gonna I'm not even sure Brittany 225 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.480 knows, but there's this growing group of people who think I was being mean 226 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.159 to you when it came to the the cat ball on the floor. Did 227 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.960 you feel like I was being demeaning towards you at all? When when because 228 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.039 you said, hey, that thing's pretty sensitive, Mike, are you sure 229 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.600 because it doesn't seem to be did you take that in the moment or did 230 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.639 you kind of understand like, oh no, this is just frustration that came 231 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:26.080 to the surface. I mean, after I got done in grind in the 232 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.960 bath, like twenty minutes, I came to the realization that, you know, 233 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.720 it was just now, I mean when when the weird thing about, 234 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.720 like you said, we hadn't seen each other for so many years, we 235 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.320 came together, we did this and for some reason, like we instantly picked 236 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.000 up on each other like if that makes sense in our investigative style and everything 237 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:48.919 else. So everything just kind of clicked with you and I. So yeah, 238 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:52.559 I mean I totally understood where that was coming from. And it was 239 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.679 just I don't know, it was really strange, just how we just quickly 240 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:58.759 like figured each other out, for a lack of better terms, picked up 241 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:03.799 on a other's cues and things like that. So I wonder knew where you 242 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:05.279 were coming from there. Well, one thing I do want to add is 243 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:09.240 we're all kind of sarcastic assholes, and that's our humor. So that's how 244 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.240 we interact with each other. And it was actually pretty hilarious when we all 245 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:18.159 sat down, and I think when we all sat down in the couch downstairs 246 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.440 for the like watch party for us, Yeah, the cast watch party. 247 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.519 We were all like dying laughing when you said that, because it's hilarious. 248 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.519 Well, there's there's few things because because I'm I'm usually a pretty reserved person 249 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.960 in public, and even in private, I don't I don't like to be 250 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:37.000 the center of attention at all, which is weird when you factor in the 251 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.960 documentary where it's just like, I'm Bob Hicks, this is my story. 252 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.799 Like that was never supposed to be the point, and I was I almost 253 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.519 asked it when I realized that's where Tyler was going with it, like, 254 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.120 hey, I'm Bob, I am Tales from the Dark. This is fanom 255 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.519 fucking far. I was like, man, we're not We're not doing this, 256 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.159 Tyle. But then when you see it and it's entire do you realize 257 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.240 that it wasn't just one person. Every person. I don't think what happened 258 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.879 at Randolph Asylum that night could have happened if Nathan wasn't there, or Brittany 259 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.360 wasn't there, you weren't there. I feel like it was this melding of 260 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:12.159 the paramanormal minds that enabled it to happen, because you had the skeptics, 261 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:15.960 you had the true believers, you had the people that are like, there's 262 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.799 definitely something, but I don't want to put a label on it. And 263 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.039 I think it was a beautiful combination. Again, not just because it's our 264 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.759 film, but it's because you and I over the years have consumed probably more 265 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.360 paranormal content than the majority of people, and we kind of knew what we 266 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.360 didn't want it to be going into it, and then, like you said, 267 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.840 we kind of just build off each other really well as someone who we 268 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.600 had never investigated with one another. That's something that really didn't make it into 269 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.320 the film that you and I have never done this together, but we knew 270 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.519 what to do. We knew how to work with one another in a way 271 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.919 that would still be a entertaining to the camera, but it wouldn't influence the 272 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:56.279 evidence, because you and I have talked off camera a hundred times about influencing 273 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.679 evidence when people are allowed, you know, they're running through the hallways, 274 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.080 roman stuff around. You don't know. You know, if you threw the 275 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:04.960 ball down the hallway and it bounced off the door, if that door was 276 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.480 partially open. You have no way to know. Because you were showing your 277 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.000 ass for the past hour and a half on TikTok. You don't know what 278 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.720 you cause then nine times out of ten, it's not paranormal. And I 279 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.839 wanted to kind of pick your brain with Phantom Farm versus Taylor Mill horror because 280 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.519 one thing you said in the talking head segment the interview segment was when you 281 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.400 go into these locations, it's okay you say it's haunted. I'm going to 282 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.119 prove you wrong. Or I'm going with the expectation that there's a specter here. 283 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.559 I'm going to show you what else it could be. Can you kind 284 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:38.720 of walk us through how you approach this versus Taylor Mill, which is a 285 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.400 much from what I said, it was just you and one other investigator, 286 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.160 correct, right, correct, Yeah, so in this case we had five 287 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:51.240 or six five of us, right, how do you approach something is as 288 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:56.599 large as an a sane asylum versus a residential home, which is one of 289 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.880 the investigator I mean, honestly, it's it's all the same. You know. 290 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.359 The big thing when you're going with the group that you got to figure 291 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.200 out is, Okay, if a group's gonna be here, and we're gonna 292 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.319 put a group here, how does them moving around sound? How does them 293 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.599 talking sound? Because it's even an odd thing. Um, I think back 294 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:22.400 to um we investigated Moundsville Penitentiary a long time ago, and when I was 295 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:27.240 going through evidence, I could have sworn that I caught this class AEVP on 296 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.440 my digital recorder. But then I started listening to the audio on our lapel 297 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.559 mics and stuff like that. Then I realized it was our voices. But 298 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.279 because of you know, the we were in one of the wheelhouse is the 299 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:42.039 way that our voices reverberated off the concrete around it. It made it sound 300 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:45.519 like a completely different person. And you know, that's something you got to 301 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.240 pay attention to. So when you're in a big scale situation, really what 302 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:55.079 you're worrying more about is contamination, but everything else is essentially the same. 303 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.599 Just go in there, be open minded, you know, be respectful, 304 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:03.640 and go with the intention. And you know, I think that's just the 305 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.599 way that you do every place you go in the same but it's just you 306 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.160 gotta figure you get the more factors you gotta kind of take into consideration when 307 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:17.680 you do possibly capture something. No, I completely agree with that. So 308 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.400 with Phantom Farm, is there anything that you wished we had done, any 309 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.480 experiments anything like, because again you've watched it probably three or four times now, 310 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:27.960 we've watched it together once. There's a few things I wish we had 311 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:33.039 done differently, and you know, but that's that's the creative mindset, right 312 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:33.640 Like, you're always like, oh, well, we could have done this 313 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.559 better, we could have got this shot, or we could have done this 314 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.480 experiment. But was there anything seeing the footage, knowing what we captured if 315 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:42.960 we go back for a night too, whether it's to film or a live 316 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:45.880 sham or whatever, is there anything that you would want to try at Randolph 317 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:53.039 County? You know, I try, you know, I mean, when 318 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.319 we create something, when we look back at it nine times out of tible, 319 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.759 we're going to absolutely hate it. And so I tried to kind of 320 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.240 stay away from that. So is there anything I would have changed? No, 321 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.680 because I think it laid the groundwork. I think it was a solid 322 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.559 first attempt. Yeah, I don't think it was perfect by any means, 323 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.720 but your first attempt isn't supposed to be. But going back there, honestly, 324 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.680 I don't know what more we would try because to me, I feel 325 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:26.240 like we accomplish what we set out to do. I feel like we we 326 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.640 took in what that place could offer us, and I don't really think that 327 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:36.200 it has much more to give us. So I don't see doing anything differently. 328 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.599 See, I completely agree with that. And there's there's a growing statement 329 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:44.359 that you're hearing in psychedelic fields consistently, which is when you have the answer, 330 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.039 hang up the phone. And that's that's what I feel like, isn't 331 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:51.039 happening enough In the paranormal field where you'll see these groups, they'll get one 332 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.559 piece of evidence, that is that once in a lifetime shot. Now, 333 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.160 whether it's real or not, that's up for the viewer to decide. But 334 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.720 in our case, I feel like we caught the holy grow, we caught 335 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.319 the light in the bottle. Why go back and ask for more? Because 336 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.079 again, if we're approaching this as the these are the disembodied spirits of deceased 337 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.160 people, they've already given you something immaculate. Why would you go back and 338 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:15.119 say, hey, I need more and know last time we had footsteps, 339 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:18.880 but can you do something cooler? Can you juggle like you don't really want 340 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.599 to push that button in my opinion, because then you start towing that line 341 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.920 between a disrespectful and B you're looking at gift horse in the mouth exactly. 342 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:32.440 I definitely agree with you. And it goes back to you know, there's 343 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.519 so many I mean, I had to say, there's so many groups out 344 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:38.519 there that go out there, and for example, I saw someone post them 345 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.720 on the groups Together day they were at the Axe Murder House and they said, 346 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.119 we're not a guinea activity. What can we do to make them give 347 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.519 us activity? And I was like, whoaa, hold on, you're going 348 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:51.440 into their house, yeah, that they lived in all this time. Not 349 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.359 only are you trying to go into their house and disrespect them. If we 350 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.440 are talking about disembodied spirits, then you're also talking about disrespecting the dead, 351 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:03.240 which is just it blows my mind. And you know, I understand there's 352 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.079 certain places that I feel like you go there and you're like, Okay, 353 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.480 I didn't get what this place has to offer, So I'm going to go 354 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.599 back. I think that's okay. That's more than okay. But like you 355 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:15.599 said, if you go in there and you ask for something and they get 356 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.839 to you, just just let him be, unless they request you to come 357 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.440 back. Just you know, just let him be. That's how I feel. 358 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:25.559 Least, no, I agree with that. So I know Britney's gonna 359 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:27.079 have some questions for you in a moment. But before we can get everyone 360 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:32.759 back in, tell us the drone story. I think only Patreons heard this 361 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:36.759 so far. Walk folks through it. It was like seeing me meet that 362 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:41.240 drone face to face in the basement of Randolph County. Literally, oh man, 363 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.400 it was wild. Still. I remember we go on the basement and 364 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.319 Bob's like, oh, there's no satellite saying down here, this is probably 365 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:52.440 a bad idea. So whenever we say this is probably a bad idea, 366 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.200 you know we're gonna do it. So he fires up the drone and it's 367 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.599 literally just it's just hovering right there, and then the drone just says fuck 368 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.759 this guy in particular and comes backwards and just cracks him in the face. 369 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:08.720 Well, so it was so frustrating because I had this idea for this shot 370 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:14.359 and what's funny is the shot is used in phantom Ful. That's the that's 371 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:18.079 my favorite part of the whole situation. And I'm like, we're gonna get 372 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.559 this really cool fucking shot. It's gonna be this like down into the darkness. 373 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:23.559 It went to the end of the hallway, no problem. And I 374 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.680 walked down the hallway and it's hovering some I'm like, okay, I'm gonna 375 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.039 try and land it. Well, there's no satellite, it doesn't want to 376 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.200 land it then shoots into the ceiling, bounce it off and smacks me in 377 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.319 the face yep, And so I'm bleeding everywhere, and then you're free. 378 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.880 Austin. You're like, is this a hospital or is this a bathroom? 379 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.000 What do we what do we have to do? And I'm like, I 380 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:47.680 uh, because your face is bleed a lot, so you don't really know 381 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:49.799 how bad it is until you kind of clear some of that blood away. 382 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:55.359 And fucking poor Brittany is on a pizza run was a pizza your she's on 383 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:56.880 a walmut Runch comes back and I think I texted you and I'm like, 384 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.960 hey, now you called me. You're like, hey, just just so 385 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.000 you know, don't freak out, and I'm like, I'm already freaking out. 386 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:08.039 What the fuck's going on? I'm bleeding profusely out of my face. 387 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.119 Yeah, but I'm fine, don't freak out. What do you mean you're 388 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:15.759 bleeding? Zetikum and literally scrub the blood, your blood off the kitchen floors, 389 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:22.160 the kitchen floors, the basements. There was. It was a huge 390 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.319 trail a blood. Yeah, yes, it was everywhere, even places that 391 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:27.880 I don't even think he went to, like the ceiling. I don't know 392 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:30.480 how it got there, player it is. Maybe that's why we had so 393 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.920 much activity. You had a blood sacrifice. My thing is weak. We 394 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.519 could have done something with that, but like, hey, the ghost is 395 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.640 bleeding, okay, right right, all right, Zach Paggin's calmed down. 396 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.599 Yeah, we we had a missed opportunity there, for fucking sure, we 397 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.119 did Jesus. So, now that everyone's kind of back and joining us, 398 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:56.519 I want you to walk us through why Jay Robert Oppenheimer is actually the topa 399 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:03.240 that in that that is also a It wasn't a Japanese scrypted ghost something that 400 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.759 I didn't pronounce. It was okay, so for folks, you know, 401 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:10.759 So Brittany Austin and I have a group chat. This group chat is fucking 402 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:14.920 popping twenty four hours a day. Because Austin works third shift, I don't 403 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:18.759 sleep very well if it's it's if it's close. At the end of the 404 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.279 overwatched season, Brittany's up for six or seven days on average. This group 405 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.279 chat's always popping. And every now and then also be like, hey, 406 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:27.920 I went down a weird rabbit hole, and that's when I stop what I'm 407 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.160 doing. Well, tell me about it, because this is gonna be the 408 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:34.319 weirdest shit I've ever heard in my life. And this one Oppenheimer being at 409 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:40.680 Tibetan topa that may or may not have inspired this. This eighteen nineteenth century 410 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:42.839 Japanese demon was not what I you know, I didn't have that on my 411 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:49.519 bingo chart this week, but either this is. You know, so my 412 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.880 brain goes from point A to point A to point to Z in two seconds 413 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:59.839 and it doesn't really make sense. So I was just watching something on the 414 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.319 and I forget what it was. But then they showed the infamous photo of 415 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.039 him, the one where he's wearing the hat and he's smoking the cigarette that 416 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.839 you know, I think most people know and something just kind of struck me 417 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:15.319 as odd, like, I know that man, you know Um. So 418 00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:19.480 I started just kind of like looking around then of course his um famous quote 419 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:26.599 UM yeah, yes, yes, And so I was looking at other quotes 420 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.960 from him, and he was has another quote where he's talking about how UM, 421 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:36.319 children had this like extra perception, UM, that they can perceive certain 422 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:40.200 things and that's why it makes them better thinkers and stuff like that. And 423 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:41.559 it's just like a lot of the stuff he's saying, it's just odd. 424 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:45.720 And so I looked at the photo again. I was like, you know 425 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.400 what he kind of looks like what we know is hat Man. Yeah. 426 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:57.640 So I started looking into these hat Man sidings and the first reported one that 427 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:03.920 I could find was recorded around two years after he passed away. Now, 428 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.680 obviously the internet wasn't really a big thing in sixty nine or sixty seven, 429 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:15.400 so who knows what else people could have seen. And when you look at 430 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.480 the whole legend of you know, the hat Man and his obsession with um, 431 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.079 you know, standing over children and stuff like this, you know the 432 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.599 quote about children having in this extra perception, it just kind of stuck with 433 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.640 me in a weird way, and it just kind of made me connect the 434 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:38.599 dots from there, so you know, I had to keep digging deeper. 435 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:42.200 And I was thinking, you know, if this had a possibility of being 436 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.039 this tupa because like I said, you know, they look the same. 437 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.319 Some of the things he says just seems odd. Then as we look at 438 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:59.079 different areas of the world or whatever, whether it be a different religious area 439 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.319 or you know, political, geopolitical, whatever it is, then you would 440 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:08.000 think that this tulpa would change. And so I started to try to look 441 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:14.480 at the hat Man sightings in Japan because I figured if anyone has a different 442 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:18.200 opinion of Oppenheimer, then you know, the rest of the world Japan might 443 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:26.319 have strong feelings, right, And I, oddly enough couldn't find any hat 444 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:30.839 Man sightings in Japan, which I found weird because that's supposed to like the 445 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.440 most well known entity you know, all around the world, really, yeah, 446 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.559 especially in this day and age, right exactly. But I did find 447 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.400 one that kept popping up, and it's this story of this I'm not even 448 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:48.319 gonna try to pronounce, but it's supposedly this eight foot tall woman who wears 449 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:53.160 a dress and a hat looks very much like the one that we know top 450 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:59.799 Hat to wear. Yeah, and it just it shocked me as odd because 451 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.359 once again, this creature or demon, whatever you want to call it, 452 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.519 has a lot of the same characteristics you know, swim and figure, you 453 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:11.480 know, the same type of clothing that you know, the clothing sounds similar 454 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:18.440 to what top Hat wears or hat Man, but it's claim to be addressed, 455 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.720 which I'll get into here in a second. And you know, I 456 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:30.799 just keep diving into this and the one difference that it has, because you 457 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:36.240 know, my whole theory was that it should be slightly different in a more 458 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:38.519 menacing way in Japan that is in US. And the one difference is that 459 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:45.559 this entity is said to bring death to man. So now I'm thinking, 460 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:52.240 okay, World War two round that era, death to the men in Japan, 461 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:57.119 Okay, this might be something. Yeah, And then I got into 462 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:02.920 looking into where did this ridge name? Um, A little fun fact is 463 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.799 the Resident Evil game that came out with the you know, the woman with 464 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:12.759 the big mommy maker. Yes, yeah, Lady Truce based off of this 465 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.359 character. Okay, that's fucking cool, which I thought, Yeah, I 466 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.599 never knew that, and I thought that was amazing. So the way that 467 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.400 this originally was this little girl who was nine years old. She went over 468 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:33.880 to Japan to visit her grandparents and um this was in nineteen ninety eight, 469 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:40.519 and she's inside and she claims that she sees this entity um inside, and 470 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:45.599 it's making this weird mechanical sound, and it has his hat on, and 471 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.359 she thought it was wearing a dress. And she goes to her grandparents and 472 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:56.119 they're like, who is who is this lady outside? And her grandfather's like, 473 00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.000 get inside, just go into hiding. I need to call people. 474 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.799 She said. He went out, he called people, and they would never 475 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:10.160 tell her what this entity was. But here's the interesting thing, she said, 476 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:14.599 it has a male voice. And the way I think about this is 477 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.640 is a nine year old girl who catches a glimpse of this figure, she's 478 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.440 gonna try to make sense of it, you know, of course, and 479 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.000 in the mind of a nine year old girl, I could see when you 480 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:30.480 look at hat man who has this long flowing jacket and a hat, how 481 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.200 you might mistake it, especially as you know, a young girl who has, 482 00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.359 you know, a mindset like young girls do, thinking that's someone wearing 483 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.319 a dress. And she even comes back and says it could have been a 484 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:48.119 male, but this was what I was wondering now. Right now, the 485 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.680 legend still goes on as it is this female, and there's been a huge 486 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:59.559 uptick in sidings. And oddly enough, this story came out just a few 487 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:06.160 months before Project hat Man came out in two thousand and eight, So these 488 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:10.480 are lining up and the sightings are lining up and increasing popularity. So it 489 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.200 wasn't report on until two thousand and eight. She get this description. Then 490 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.400 we start seeing these drawings and stuff this figure, and it leads me to 491 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.559 wonder, if you guys remember back to season one is Supernatural, they had 492 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:29.240 Tolpa episode, and if you remember back that, the way that that episode 493 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.400 went was these teenagers broke into a band place and they drew these sigils on 494 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:38.720 the walls and they end up basically created a tulpa and people would keep going 495 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.839 in there and seeing this topa. But the issue was that they were posting 496 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:47.039 about this on their website, and as the post, you know, they 497 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:52.319 wanted more and more clicks. They started to say crazier things about this tope, 498 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.799 like he kills people. And then a woman goes in there and she 499 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:59.000 gets strangled to death. And sam Adine are like, you gotta shut this 500 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.240 down. Like what who are typing into here is giving this tulpa new powers 501 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:10.359 into existence exactly. So my thought is if this girl saw hat Man and 502 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.200 says, I think it was a woman, and now this is on the 503 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.480 internet, Now we have all these drawings. Now they have this figure who 504 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.200 exactly like hat Man but likes to kill people, but it is now a 505 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:30.480 woman. Could it be that this tulpa changed, it changed from hat Man 506 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.799 into this woman figure now, because that's what everyone you know had an existence. 507 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:39.319 Because the whole thought at the start of this to me was when the 508 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.720 stomach bomb went off. This was in the newspaper everywhere, and people would 509 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.480 be looking at the picture in the newspaper, and no matter what side you're 510 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.880 on, you have a deep, deep feeling and emotion about what just happened. 511 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.960 And I don't I don't know any other time in the world where we've 512 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:05.440 had the entire world looking at one image with some sort of intense emotion and 513 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.599 feeling at the exact same moment. It was like the world said standstill at 514 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:14.039 that point exactly, and either you were on the side of this had to 515 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.679 be done or this was the worst man in history. And you know, 516 00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:22.000 it was either he was, you know, a good man, or he 517 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.480 was death. So when we look in the area that would probably perceive him 518 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:30.239 more as death. Now we have this entity that's very similar to the one 519 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.280 here in the US, which is very similar to Oppenheimer himself, but it 520 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:40.760 brings death. And it starts out as a figure with a male voice that 521 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.800 she said may have been mistaken as a female, or she may have mistaken 522 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.360 as a female, but it was actually a male. And now after all 523 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.320 these images stuff surface, now we have this eight foot tall woman who is 524 00:34:54.400 --> 00:35:00.360 said to be like the girlfriend of top Hat or slender Man, because they 525 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:07.239 look so similar. It's just it's just a really wild thought and rabbit hole 526 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.920 to go down. No. Absolutely, so for those who are wondering, 527 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:16.840 it's uh, I'm going to attempt to pronounce this here. It's the hatchi 528 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:24.159 chaku sama h A c h I s h A k U s A m 529 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.679 A. I was solid. If you don't know how it's pronounced A one 530 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.000 hundred percent, I was right. That's how this works. Right. No 531 00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.480 one watched a video on the scene. No, But here's the thing. 532 00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.920 I love these types of rabbit holes because I'm currently going down one of them. 533 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.800 I'm going to do an episode one at some point. I'm trying to 534 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.360 plan it now. Uh or I'm calling this a mass exposure syndrome. It's 535 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:51.079 it's a it's a term that I'm slowly coining when it comes to uphology, 536 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.519 where the reason we have so much exposure happening right now, and it's happening 537 00:35:55.559 --> 00:36:00.559 so consistently, we're becoming numb to it. But we're also noticing more UFO 538 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.239 activity. When you apply that to the paranormal here where you like you said, 539 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.000 when it comes to topal creation, it's not that different of a you 540 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:14.440 know thought, Yeah, right, And I love these little rabbit holes because 541 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.599 it's not really being done right now. What's being done as can I catch 542 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.239 that apparitional camera that gets me the ten million clicks on YouTube. That's it's 543 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.039 weird. That's kind of where the paranormal community is still stuck. And and 544 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.960 I find it hilarious that, like, we've come so far from the og 545 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:35.320 taff stays to where we are now where ghost hunting is now accepted and it's 546 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.280 not it's not just weird kids in the attic anymore. It's it's multimillion dollar 547 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:45.039 television shows, and yet we still have these weird correlations of keeping us kind 548 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.840 of stuck in the dark ages of PARANLELM one investigation because at the end of 549 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.159 the day, these shows especially are here for entertainment. And it's funny you 550 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:57.199 and I talked about those at length. We have this, uh, this 551 00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.679 review for Phantom Farm on Amazon and it just says, uh, this was 552 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:06.480 this was okay at best and no no, but there was no jump scare, 553 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.719 And like, this person right here has no idea who this documentary was 554 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.280 for, because it wasn't for the run of the mill paranormal crowd. Who's 555 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.599 just yes, it was for the people who want to see this and its 556 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.679 entirety what it usually is, because ninety percent of the movie it's just us 557 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.440 sitting in the dark and talking to one another with a little bit of comedic 558 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.719 relief here and there, with a history lesson. That's that's ninety percent of 559 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:35.400 your paranormal investigations you go on. And I think that that's something if you 560 00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.800 only approach because I mean, you and I talk about this in the groups 561 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.400 all the time, people like, Hey, I want to go my first 562 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:45.159 investigation, what camera do I need to catch a full wided apparition? When 563 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:46.840 you find that out, let us know so we can buy twelve Yeah, 564 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:51.360 we'll actually buy the company, thank you very much. Where you can just 565 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.480 get the SLS and point at a copyright. Okay. Well, so that 566 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:59.239 brings me to my my next topic of conversation. So we're you know, 567 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.239 my thoughts. Apps they're all bullshit, none of them. None of them 568 00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:08.119 are real. End of discussion. I won't even entertain because Brittany and I 569 00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:12.199 went to an event not too long ago and someone was like, Yeah, 570 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.760 the reason I trust this app is I can put it on my Phone's an 571 00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.880 airplane mode, Bob, there's nothing. It's not connected to the internet. 572 00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.800 How's it getting it? Like? Okay? He does it have access to 573 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.400 your microphone? Well yeah, it needs it. Okay. So the way 574 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:29.840 that coding works is it's as simple as as the people who use Excel you 575 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.400 know this that, if this, then that that's a common you know coding 576 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.800 technique US. It's the same way with these apps. If if your voice 577 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:44.960 from Brittany equal send scary voice back every thirty instances or whatever it may be, 578 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.559 it doesn't matter that it's an airplane mode. There's no app that fucking 579 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.519 works. The coding and the files are already on your phone, regardless of 580 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:57.559 if you have Internet connection or not. Yeah. Yeah, that's funny because 581 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.800 I was just listening to a podcast episode a couple of days ago and they 582 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:07.320 had this guy on and he was talking about the SLS camera and he was 583 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.679 talking about how it's a really good tool. You just gotta know when it's 584 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.840 giving you false positives. First of all, I thought, is, how 585 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.800 do you know it's a false positive? Yeah, But his thing was that 586 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.199 he said he went somewhere and every time that they put on music, these 587 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.440 apparitions would appear and start dancing. And I'm like, do you know how 588 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:30.119 much someone codes those? Like that's a thing that happens before you can have 589 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.599 them in your hands ready to go. Yeah, And the person on the 590 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.000 other end knows what you want to get out of that, so they're going 591 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:43.039 to give you what you want so that you'll then promote their product because every 592 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:47.039 single piece of quote unquote evidence you catch is good business and good publicity for 593 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.920 them. Yeah. Oh, when we discussed this on a reason investigation that 594 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.119 we all went on where we had the rempod. The re pod was giving 595 00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.599 us very interesting results and now, yes, what we ended up doing was 596 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.920 saying, Okay, there has to be another environmental factor that's not just the 597 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.559 rimpod. Because the temperature gage is going down, but the temperature gum we're 598 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:13.639 using is having the exact same reading. It's not even changing by a quarter 599 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.880 of a degree. Then we can assume that it's not a ghost touching the 600 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:23.039 rimpod, that there is something happening mechanically with this device that is causing it 601 00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.599 to fail. And you know as well as I do, a lot of 602 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.559 this year, not the rimpod specifically, And you have to be very giftful 603 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.119 where you buy this equipment from. Most of it, especially in twenty twenty 604 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:37.760 three, is a three D printed shell with six cents worth of filament that 605 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.039 goes into it that if you hit it too hard, and we see this 606 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.360 with a couple of new meilmeters, if you hit the casing too hard, 607 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.880 it's off forever. You cannot get it to recalibrate. Which is why I 608 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.679 love the old school stuff we all used to have to rely on, where 609 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.760 like a barometer, for example, that was a very common thing two thousand 610 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.960 and eight two thousand nine ghost hunters would use. No one's bringing a fucking 611 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.679 barometer anymore with him because you have it in your trifield meter. The problem 612 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.480 with all this equipment, and it's something that I think we did exceptionally well 613 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.000 in Phantom Farm. They have to be a I want your opinion, but 614 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:17.440 they should be a tool, not a crutch to carry your investigation. You 615 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:21.920 were absolutely right, um, And you know, going back to the whole 616 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.320 rimpod thing. I remember we were pretty pleased with ourselves because we had figured 617 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.119 out what the environmental factor was. Yeah, until we realized, no, 618 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:37.360 we don't. And you've never seen a group of people so defeated because of 619 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.599 they might have just caught evidence before. We so badly wanted to disprove it 620 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.519 because we knew it. And then we're like, oh crap, okay, 621 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.960 yeah, and shout out to Brittany during this investigation because this this is a 622 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.199 location that you had warned us about before, said hey, this is the 623 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.159 real deal. Take it seriously. Brittany hadn't slept. She had something like 624 00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:01.280 an hour before the investment. She fucking just goes to sleep alone in the 625 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.760 base. We're in the basement and we're, you know, doing our thing 626 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.679 down there. And then maybe way through Tyler was like, hey, do 627 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.000 you think Britney's actually asleep? And I'm like, if she wasn't, she'd 628 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.840 be down here. She's asleep and in this place that you know, Austin, 629 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.239 who doesn't get zero fear with these locations, is like, hey, 630 00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.239 this place has fucked me up in the past. Britney, He's like, 631 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.840 yep, great place to take a nap. Yeah, yeah, it was 632 00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:29.760 a good nap. I slept pretty well. They had a nice fan in 633 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:34.320 there. They had a nice fan. Southern thing, most southern thing I've 634 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.639 ever heard of mindself. Know. It fucking reminds me. There's this viral 635 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.800 clip going around where, um, the guy is like a content creator from 636 00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.679 like North Carolina or something. He meets this girl and they're like I think 637 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.280 they're like third or fourth day. She's back at the house and she's like, 638 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.960 hey, do you sleep with your fans? And he's like, yeah, 639 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.760 of course yes. She's like, oh no, that's a problem. 640 00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.280 And it goes through and she's like, well, if it's a problem, 641 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:00.760 I won't sleep with I won't sleep with my fans when you're here, I 642 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.679 guess if it's that big of a problem, I could buy an air conditioner. 643 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:10.119 And it was so fucking hilarious because that's a Brittany Clark conversation where you're 644 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:14.000 not looking at it as anything else. But of course I sleep with a 645 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.679 fucking fan, right, this woman when she moved up, she because you 646 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.639 know, you had told me like, oh, even in the winter, 647 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.440 I sleep with this fan. I'm like, no one sleeps with a fucking 648 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.039 fan with three feet of stone. Oh I was. I've never been so 649 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.119 wrong. She I've turned on the air conditioner in the winter before the majority 650 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.360 of last winter, you had the air conditioners on. I don't. I 651 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:37.599 don't understand it. But that's that's a Southern folks just must run hot. 652 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.840 That's that's how this works apparently. Oh it's always good stuff. But now, 653 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:44.800 so the other thing I want to kind of get into with you, 654 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.440 Austin, what we kind of covered the gear we don't trust. What gear 655 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.400 do you trust? Like, what's in your go bag every investigation, with 656 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.039 the exception of your film cameras, which we're gonna we'll talk about that next. 657 00:43:55.199 --> 00:44:01.039 What's your paranormal specific equipment that you have to have. I mean honestly, 658 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.119 when people ask, I say, number one, dude, just just 659 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.440 get a good camera, um, because then you know, a good and 660 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:12.719 fred camera. I hate using um flashlights, yeah and stuff like that. 661 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.880 I I one percent just don't use them. Um. I remember the clip 662 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.800 when we were doing our solos and uh, it didn't make it into the 663 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.960 dock. But um, I was walking down the hallway where um I think 664 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.280 the one we got the footsteps right, and I had the chair that moved 665 00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.000 on me, and UM, I asked you, iway was like, did 666 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:31.800 that chair this move? You're like I don't know. Can you shine your 667 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:36.360 light on it? Like what light? And you're like from your LANDERD. 668 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.719 I'm like what LANTERD. You're like, wait, did you seriously not take 669 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.679 a light with you? I'm like, know what it was? I supposed 670 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:47.199 to, um, but you know it just it's for me night vision camera. 671 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.920 Just that's that's all I need. UM. A little bonus would probably 672 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.599 be you know, um the what do they call it? Is it the 673 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.440 ghost meter? The look at one? She looking one that's like the orange 674 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.639 and it's the most accurate one on the fucking market for thirty dollars for no 675 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.679 reason. And then you just can't go wrong with an SB seven as long 676 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:15.360 as you know how to use it um and you know you can't. Yeah, 677 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:21.639 no, I I completely agree. The the SP seven has got to 678 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.480 be one of the most controversial items and any ghost hunter's backpack. Yes, 679 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.280 I mean you've been to the locations where, especially if you're in in a 680 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:35.159 populated area with a bunch of radio towers, you're getting non stop bleed through 681 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.800 an interference. What Brittany, Brittany and I absolutely love doing is going into 682 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.519 mine shafts or caves where there hasn't been service down there since the dawn of 683 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.840 time, nor will there ever fucking be. So if you're down there, 684 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:50.199 you you're doing a fifteen twenty minutes sweep and then all of a sudden something 685 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.800 comes through as a voice. You're like, oh, this suddenly has merit 686 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:58.280 right better. If you ever get like a cuss word that comes over the 687 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.360 I don't think they say the F for it on this. You know what's 688 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:06.519 funny is I had never encountered that pre Brittany and Brittany, I want to 689 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.039 know what is it about you that makes spirits just hate you with a fucking 690 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:14.800 passion? Oh, I forgot about that. Oh the Prospect place stuff. 691 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:21.679 Yeah, that also happens in Eastern Kentucky. I don't know. They hate 692 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.760 me. I was hilarious because I felt like I was like watching like about 693 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.280 to be domestic violence thing going on, because Bob was under for you know, 694 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:36.599 the SS method and he's just yelling brit I'm like, just the ghost. 695 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.440 Yeah. They were calling me a horror. They told me to shut 696 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:44.519 the fuck up. I mean they really. I'm never disrespectful either, Like 697 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.800 I'm not. You're the most level headed and calm out of everybody, and 698 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.639 they're the first I tell you guys to calm down. I'm like, hey, 699 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:52.519 that's enough, right, I'm like, hey, what's going on? 700 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.079 What are we doing here? And then they're like, fuck you, Brittany, 701 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.679 And I'm like, okay, all right, yeah, but like if 702 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.159 I would have questions talking, it was okay. But as soon as you 703 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.400 opened your mouth, it's just every single time. Yeah, it's not wild, 704 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.440 it's not everywhere we go. Prospect was definitely. They didn't do it 705 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:15.360 again this last time we went, No, but Prospect was intense, and 706 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:20.400 then Eastern Kentucky We've had a half a couple of times like out in the 707 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.079 woods and things like that when we've used the STI method, and I think 708 00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:29.440 there was a cave we went to that got cussed out in I don't remember. 709 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.119 So for those who maybe I'm familiar with, the ASTI method was coined 710 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.440 by Carl Peiffer and Connor Randall and S. S. Park, Colorado, 711 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.639 And what it is is you'll use an SB seven, SP eleven and S 712 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:44.199 box, a spirit box of some sort. You will blindfold the conduit or 713 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.679 the channel er they'll put on in our case. So I've seen this done 714 00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:52.000 with earbuds. I don't like the earbuds. We'll put on Vic Firth drummer 715 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:58.760 headphones that Austin can attest. You don't hear anything with these headphones on. 716 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:04.360 And the goal is to get completely uninfluenced answers from the spirit box because the 717 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.599 conduit has no idea what it is that you're asking. They don't even know 718 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:12.280 if when you're asking a question. So the results are usually a little bit 719 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.360 more believable. But what I wanted to ask you, Austin, as phantom 720 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:19.280 Farmers, the first time you'd done they asked this method, you started out 721 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.199 very skeptical and it was clear on your face, like, this is fucking 722 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.840 bullshit. Yeah, this is stupid. What are your thoughts now that you've 723 00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.719 done it a few times, you're familiar with the method and you've had some 724 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.480 very interesting results, has your opinion changed at all on this particular methodology? 725 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:42.679 So no, and yes, I will never watch another group do one and 726 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.000 say wow, that was wild, because it'd be so easy to fake. 727 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.400 Yeah, and not only that would be so easy to manipulate, because if 728 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.719 I'm sitting there and I'm asking one hundred questions, chances are one of those 729 00:48:55.800 --> 00:49:00.360 answers is going to somehow line up, even if it's in a very vague 730 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:07.679 way, you know, um, But when I am there to witness it, 731 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.519 then I can attest to you know, Okay, this is crazy, 732 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.280 especially you know the one we're talking about where it was cussing out Brittany. 733 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:16.679 The craziest thing about that was, I don't know if you remember it, 734 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:22.199 not Brittany, but when there's there's this area that this entity likes to hang 735 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.440 out at, and whenever we would turn the light towards that direction, light 736 00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.639 light off, Yeah, every single time, and there's no way he could 737 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:37.599 see it. Yeah, And that was just mind boggling to me. Also, 738 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:43.360 one of the most horrified moments that I've had was when we asked where 739 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.719 it was and it said, I'm in the walls and can you make it 740 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:52.000 knocking down on the walls, and instantly every single wall around us. It 741 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.519 just was getting beat from the inside and Me and Britney were like, um, 742 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.320 what do we do? Yeah, me and Austin during that session, 743 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.760 we had all the lights off, but we were standing shoulder to shoulder because 744 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.239 I was not about to get fucked up by this whatever. We were talking 745 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.400 to you. Yeah, I remember the light. It lets you know you're 746 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.800 being surrounded, and it was it's wild. So you know, it's kind 747 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.960 of a roundabout answer to say yes and no. It's changed for me. 748 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.519 If I can experience it, not necessarily as the one being under but the 749 00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:24.360 one from the outside end, or even phantom of arm where I got to 750 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:28.800 watch all the raw footage back, you know, then I could say Okay, 751 00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.840 because I was there, I remember that I can vouch for that seems 752 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.320 legit, but I can't personally take it as evidence from an outside group. 753 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.760 That's just me. I mean, that's fair, and that's the problem. 754 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.840 I think with being an investigator, is you are ten x more critical in 755 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:51.920 these other groups and what they're doing, because again we have to acknowledge that 756 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.679 there's there's two brains when it comes to investigation. If you are filming it, 757 00:50:54.719 --> 00:51:00.519 you have to have the idea of entertainment somewhere in your content just mind. 758 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:05.199 But you also don't want to ruin the authenticity, which is where I 759 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.880 think we towed the line very close with Fantom Farm. But we also did 760 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.400 that this past an investigation where we weren't filming. We went in with the 761 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.679 expectation of not filming. We had some fun, but we never got it 762 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.519 to the point where it's like, oh, this is just a game. 763 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.920 And I feel like there's a lot of groups out there who they kind of 764 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:23.920 take it as like this is just a fun night away from the wife and 765 00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.079 the kids, and I can go and hang out with my buddies and conjure 766 00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:32.440 up a fucking demon. Yeah. Yeah, And when you guys actually left 767 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.440 me, Nathan and Tyler are out there and we were kind of talking about 768 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.840 that, and we were talking about how, you know, maybe we take 769 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.960 things too seriously. Maybe we go in there investigating. And it was like 770 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:46.400 three in the morning. You guys already left, and I was like, 771 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:51.239 you know what, why don't we just go inside and let's just have fun. 772 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.280 Let's just talk to each other, let's just you know, play a 773 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.960 game whatever, and let's just have fun for a little while and see what 774 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.440 happens. And instantly things started to pop off to the point where Tyler was 775 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.840 like, Okay, there's something going on here. There's someone in here, 776 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.360 there's someone doing this. And it was an interesting experiment where, you know, 777 00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.480 I don't know, it's it's weird. I like how you know, 778 00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:20.559 we constantly learn from our investigations and learn new approaches to different places. You 779 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.679 know, not every's the same, and you know, it just goes a 780 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:28.960 whole being an open minded thing. No, I one hundred percent agree. 781 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.320 So before we go, I have a couple more quick questions. You've been 782 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.000 in this field for quite a long time. You've been on the social media 783 00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.440 side of this field, because you send me clips from like ten years ago 784 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:43.840 of you on investigations. How do you feel like the field has changed in 785 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.960 the past let's say five ten years. Oh man, Um, Well, 786 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.480 it's like you said, now people can make money off of it and whenever 787 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:57.719 someone can make money off of something, it's not who does it better necessarily, 788 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:04.239 it's who does it more extreme? Who what's that I said? Or 789 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.719 faster? Yeah, it's like a news outlet, whoever can get the story 790 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:13.400 first exactly. So it's either going to go to that extreme of who's gonna 791 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.559 be the first one to capture this full body apparition in this place or who 792 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:22.760 can do it while you know whatever. And so the problem is with that 793 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:30.119 is that it gives people more incentive to be fake, and um, you 794 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:36.079 know, I think there's part of its increasing fakery, but there's also a 795 00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:43.239 subset of people who back when this was still taboo and people were like wanting 796 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:46.239 to know about it, wanting to learn about this field, people came in 797 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:51.840 with more of an open mind. I feel like now we have investigators who 798 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.679 say this is evidence, and you'll say, well, I think it's this, 799 00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:01.239 No, you're wrong, this is evidence. And it's also encouraging people 800 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:07.440 to whatever you think is evidence is evidence because your group of one hundred thousand 801 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.920 life minded people who are going to agree with you. So, you know, 802 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.760 I mean with technology, it's it's gonna be like with anything else. 803 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:21.039 People like to get in their little groups that are going to promote their ideals, 804 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.039 and I think that that's had kind of a bad impact. But I 805 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:28.239 will say I think the best thing to happen is, you know, suppose 806 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.159 is Zach Baggin's controversy where he is canceling the shows and stuff like that, 807 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.840 and people are moving back to YouTube. I think maybe we can finally get 808 00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.239 this great reset where people are starting to make the content that they want to 809 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.920 put out, not controlled by a network, and we can get back to 810 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:47.320 our roots like it was years ago. I hope. No, that's something 811 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.719 I completely agree with it. And it is weird because you kind of touched 812 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.840 on it back in the day when we were begging to get into these places. 813 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.800 Back before we can go on Facebook into a group and find twenty locations. 814 00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:05.440 Back then, you had to know somebody whose cousins, sister's dad work 815 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.159 in this place in the nineties, who still knows the owner of the building. 816 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.679 Now let's hey, let's go to the website, we pay our fee, 817 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.719 we show up. So you wanted to be very careful back then with 818 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.880 what evidence you produced and showed the public and showed the homeowner or the location 819 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:22.920 owner as evidence. Because if you show them some bullshit that can't be backed 820 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:24.719 up and they say, hey, this is nonsense, you kind of shot 821 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:30.320 yourself in the foot as both an investigator and also a procure of these locations. 822 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.880 And it's very weird now that people are just completely okay with here's an 823 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.880 orb. It's definitely the spirit of my dead grandfather who's never been here and 824 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:43.320 as also still alive exactly. Another issue run into is the fact that some 825 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:47.440 of these locations they will give you free you know, visits, free overnights 826 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:51.480 if you give them evidence and they don't care what it is. Most of 827 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.920 the people who own these places, at least the start, don't own them 828 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.400 because they're haunted. They just find out, oh okay, I can make 829 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.239 money off a haunted attraction. Yes, so they will will gladly chill out 830 00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:05.000 stuff is it's not evidence. They don't care it's faked or not. It's 831 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.800 getting them money. Yeah. That's not all occasions, it's some of them. 832 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:13.239 Yeah, And it's so weird now that we're seeing these pair of attractions. 833 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.480 This is something that you know, yeah, ten years ago, we 834 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.679 would have begged for this more places to let us in because, like I 835 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:21.360 said, it was. Right. Now, you can easily book up an 836 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.159 entire year if you have enough money to do so. Back then you were 837 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:29.000 lucky, lucky to get three investigations a year, and one of those three 838 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.519 is somewhere that you've been a thousand times most likely, right, So that's 839 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.519 wild. And these places are charging more and more, so there's obviously, 840 00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:38.440 you know, a huge demand for it and they're booked up months out. 841 00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:43.440 So that's that's it's it's wild to see what's been going on. Well, 842 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:45.559 yeah, and it's nuts to see places that two years ago cost three hundred 843 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.719 dollars now costs nine hundred dollars. That's what's insane. So all right, 844 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:54.079 well before we jos coming up on our hour walk folks through, where can 845 00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.360 they get a copy of Taylor mill Horror if they want to see more of 846 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.480 your photography? Austin did all of the I can when all the still photography 847 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:06.760 in fantom form was done by Austin in this crazy mobile fucking film ring, 848 00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:12.079 where can people find more Austin Lawrence? You can pick up Taylor Mille Horror 849 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:17.280 on Amazon right now. You can check out some my photography over on Instagram, 850 00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:22.440 slash, Facebook, if you look up Chasing Happiness and it should have 851 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.360 a couple of new books coming out this year, is the plan, So 852 00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:32.320 stay tuned on Amazon for those. Hopefully do we gain stippets any any teasers 853 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.880 for that? Yeah, I mean so this is gonna be a photography books. 854 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:40.599 Not much to say there, um other than you know, it's it's 855 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.039 a lot of people like to get on Ohio and uh, you know, 856 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:51.159 I have lots of pride for being from Ohio. So I've been traveling Ohio 857 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.880 for the past about two years photographing some of my favorite places to show why 858 00:57:54.719 --> 00:58:00.199 I think Ohio is a great place to be. Yea. And my other 859 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:05.000 one is going to be my first horror novel, fiction Base, because when 860 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.440 Terrill Horror came out, although horrors in the title, it was not a 861 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.639 horror novel and I did everything I could not to make it one. But 862 00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.079 people are still like, oh yeah, that that that can me up at 863 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:16.480 night. So I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna give you something 864 00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:22.519 that will hopefully keep you up at night. So I'm working on a very 865 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:29.559 kind of graphic novel that's based on a reoccurring nightmare I've had from probably about 866 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:34.880 age five, I've until current day, and it's something that's always stuck with 867 00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:38.199 me, and so I decided to take it and just make it into an 868 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.840 entire book. So I'm hoping that will be out here soon. Working title 869 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.639 for Nowa's Devil's Carnival. We'll see. I love it, and I also 870 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.039 love the little Ohio pride thing there. That's something Brittany and I have talked 871 00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.920 about. You if you are not from Ohio and do not bleed fucking scarlet 872 00:58:54.920 --> 00:59:00.760 and gray. Yeah, you cannot shoot on Ohio without consequences people getting pissed 873 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:05.880 off. Now, Ohio Wands, natives, we'll talk shit about everything ohioh 874 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:07.840 Yeah, it's the most it's the most disgusting place. I hate it here. 875 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:12.840 No, I'm not leaving nine times. That's most Ohio Wands. There's 876 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.000 a certain pride attached with the state of Ohio that I'll never be able to 877 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.360 fully. You know, I've been here thirty years. I do not know 878 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.480 what it is about Ohio. This is hey, it's all fights you for 879 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.960 the motherland. And you know, it's like I to tell everyone who's like 880 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.159 from the outside of Mike, the thing that is awesome about Ohio is if 881 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:35.760 you're willing to travel two hours in any direction, you're an entire another world. 882 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.400 Like you can go from farm fields to beaches, to hacking hills to 883 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:46.440 you know, mountains. I mean, it's it's so diverse, it's insane. 884 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.360 And I don't think that people realize that. And that's part of what 885 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:54.639 gives us our pride is because Ohio isn't all you know, lime Ohio. 886 00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:59.559 Now that that would be depressing. It sucks, that's for sure. So 887 00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:00.920 Britain, do I want to have a rebuttal about what you hate about Ohio 888 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.800 so we can jump, you know, gang up on you yellows drinking the 889 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.719 kool aid. That's all I gotta say. I mean, we didn't all 890 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:12.440 grow up in the Apple Wusha mountains. All Right, that's it. He's 891 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:20.719 done. Yeah, nope, you're done. Friendship provoked, it was bound 892 01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:25.159 anyway. I'm all right, Austin, Well, we definitely appreciate it. 893 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:28.079 Man, Thank you so much for joing, for coming on. It's been 894 01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:30.719 way too long. Austin has become a staple and the Tails from the Dark 895 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.960 Family. You guys can see him in the Facebook group. He is always 896 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.639 willing to talk to anyone with with a weird fucking story. He's a great 897 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.880 friend to have, and in my opinion, if we had more investigators in 898 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:45.400 the field like you, who came at it from a scientific perspective but also 899 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.440 open to the fact that some things can't be applied to science, we beat 900 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:52.800 in a much fucking better world right now. When it comes to the Parriside, 901 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:54.880 I appreciate the same to you guys. You know, you have pretty 902 01:00:54.960 --> 01:01:00.519 much the same mindsets and that's why we work together so well, for sure, 903 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.239 So we definitely appreciated Austin and uh, we will talk to you later, 904 01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:05.599 buddy. Thanks again for coming on, Thank you, thank you. 905 01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:09.280 Yes, Brittany, it's always fun to sit down and talk to someone equally 906 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:14.280 as weird as you are, right, yeah, and see Austin touch. 907 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.559 But there's something about organic chemistry and again it's it's like weird, it attracts 908 01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:22.039 weird. And it's so funny that Austin and I kind of found our way 909 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.039 back to one another after all these years. And it's always just fun to 910 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:30.280 sit down with some like minded folks and just talk about fucking ghosts. Yep, 911 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:32.559 not fucking them, but you know, I mean, it's Austin so 912 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:36.400 you never really know. You never really know. He's also grounded for that 913 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.480 little stunt. He added at the end, Oh the Ohio Mountains. Yeah, 914 01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:40.960 I looked over. I could see you were like about, Oh, 915 01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:47.000 did you not hear what he called Appalachia? I did, That's why you 916 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.360 were so upset? No, yeah, I could like feel that. The 917 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:58.280 studio table storted to shake when started gusting in the studio, the fire pits 918 01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:04.599 start smelling sweet teaft sulfur was just a sweet tia roma. The fucking the 919 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.440 Appalachian hellscape opened up and started to move a little closer to the studio. 920 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:13.199 It was that that we were Honestly, I'm glad no one else is here 921 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:17.519 because our lives were in danger. Yeah. Yeah, So with that, 922 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:21.519 with that being said, that Miss Brittany, is everything else that you'd like 923 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:23.199 to add before we go? I do not well with that being said. 924 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.599 I think we'reant to add this episode of Our Strange World but Special guest Austin 925 01:02:27.679 --> 01:03:15.000 Lawrence to our never ending but are Always Growing Tales from the Dark to