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This is WWE Superstar Drew McIntyre and you're listening to the 10 00:00:51.840 --> 00:01:11.959 WWE podcast God, the one that everybody wants me sixteen sad Just ress this 11 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:19.239 min we're gon acknowledge me. Welcome to the current state of ww We've got 12 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.120 Anthony Debarco back with us as we always do every single Monday night to talk 13 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.439 about what's on our minds for what's going on in WWE right now, and 14 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.439 as we are about two weeks a little less than two weeks away from Survivor 15 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:37.159 series, we have a new United States Champion and a guy that came in 16 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.079 as a YouTube star, but I think has really won over a lot of 17 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:45.959 people with his ability in the ring. And we're going to focus a little 18 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.799 bit on Logan Paul tonight. But first welcome Anthony. How you doing, 19 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:53.519 Not too bad man? And pretty interesting news coming up today regarding the new 20 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.959 United States Champion, Logan Paul, that he might be turning his full time 21 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.879 focus to ww announcing his retirement from boxing. I believe he did that on 22 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.240 a show on Fox at sports talk radio show. I forget which one it 23 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:13.479 was exactly, but it seems like he's kind of going, you know what, 24 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.319 deep into WWE. And this is kind of like what we spoke about 25 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:21.159 right when he won the championship at Saudi Arabia that this had to be the 26 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:25.719 potential for a really, really significant run with him as the US champion, 27 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.919 and one that had a lot of promise if he were to commit at least 28 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:35.560 semi full time. So if this is true and we're going to see a 29 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:39.400 full time or close to full time version of Logan Paul on SmackDown, where 30 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:46.680 do you think this is headed well. I mean with the place for him 31 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:47.960 to be on SmackDown, I think is a good place to be. We 32 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.240 certainly don't need another absentee champion. We have had enough of that over the 33 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.879 last couple of years. And I think him retiring from boxing, or at 34 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:01.120 least for the time being, retiring from boxing, is very promising because beyond 35 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:07.599 the fact that we don't want somebody as an absentee champion again, you do 36 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.240 want somebody that's fully focused on on the championship, and you want somebody able 37 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:15.240 to be there at least semi regularly. I would even him be being okay 38 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:19.520 if he's on every other SmackDown. I actually don't need him on every SmackDown. 39 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.080 You know, our our standard at this point are so low that we 40 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.120 would take him being there once a month. Uh, you know, that 41 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:29.439 would actually be considered full time compared to Roman. But when you look at 42 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.680 this, I think you have a United States champion that you know is going 43 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.280 to put on kick ass matches, you know is going to be able to 44 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.159 deliver in the ring and on the microphone. So I'm looking forward to his 45 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:44.000 his potential opponents, And you know, as I look at the roster. 46 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.000 He does have a pretty good amount of guys he hasn't been able to work 47 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:50.360 with yet, and you know, we can certainly run down some of those 48 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:54.080 names. Well, the other part that you mentioned in there that's so important 49 00:03:54.120 --> 00:04:00.400 all of this is another absentee champion. We cannot have that SmackDown. That 50 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.759 is not something that we need or should get. And this was a SmackDown 51 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:11.439 that we just saw that the only championship that was featured was the women's championship, 52 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.319 not the world chap. What is it, the WWE Women's Champion. 53 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.120 Yeah, yeah, that's what it's called. So on the men's side this 54 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.759 week on SmackDown, there was no men's champion, no world title, no 55 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:25.600 mid card title, no tag title. And that's okay for a one off, 56 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:29.680 but we have to make sure that Logan Paul is there and the United 57 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.920 States Championship is featured because you look at what its counterpart on Monday Night Raw 58 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.120 has done over the last fifteen month around the race with the waste of Gunther 59 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:41.399 and how important that title has felt. And I do think Triple H in 60 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.319 his early days as had a creative, did a good job to build the 61 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.800 US title up on Monday Night Raw when it was the main championship when Roman 62 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.879 Reigns had both titles hijacked. But in order to regain that after a very 63 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:58.360 dull twenty twenty three to this point, after lackluster runs of Austin Theory and 64 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.279 Ray Masterio, it first and has to be featured weekly. Am I right? 65 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.120 Absolutely? Especially like we said with Roman gone, the tag team champions 66 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.920 seems to be stuck on on on a net raw. That absolutely needs to 67 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.480 be the case. Yes, And when I look at some of the people 68 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.160 he can work with, I mean it opens up a ton of possibilities, 69 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:21.720 Kevin Owens being one, of course, I would imagine that La Knight is 70 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:26.839 probably at the top of the list as well. And I think this is 71 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.399 this is gonna be a lot of fun. You're right, though, this 72 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.480 needs to be a much more present champion. I know he's a heel, 73 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:38.720 but he needs to be here every week. Actually is probably best. It's 74 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:43.319 just sad that I have been conditioned to believe that anything beyond once a month 75 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.680 is actually considered. You know, a lot of time on SmackDown if a 76 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.079 champion shows up. So I'm excited for this, actually, I mean I 77 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:55.199 came in despising Logan Paul I didn't want him here, and they try to 78 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.920 push the babyface thing that quickly went south. But now he's really kind of 79 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:05.079 he's coming into his own character. His promos have felt much more comfortable than 80 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:09.600 they have over the last year or two. And I am I'm loving where 81 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.199 this is at because I think he's going to be a long reigning United States 82 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:18.480 Champion. And the first question is, obviously, who will be the first 83 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:24.000 opponent for him. I don't imagine it's gonna be Ray Mysterio feels like he's 84 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.600 on a collision course with Santos Escobar and the impending implosion of the LWO. 85 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.879 So who is that next guy? Like you look at La Knight, I 86 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.120 feel like he's tangling with the bloodline at this point. It feels like his 87 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:39.800 time to go after the US title has already coming gone like it feels like 88 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.959 he's past that. And then Seamus, who you would imagine would be kind 89 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.079 of next in line, hasn't been seen since his match with Edge in Toronto 90 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:51.759 Edges farewell match in WWE. Could a returning aj Styles be that guy? 91 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.120 But for me, I look at Kevin Owens and I know you spoke about 92 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.560 it on the WWE. We can review about how he's kind of like middling 93 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.160 in no man's land right now. Obviously has a very loose feud with Austin 94 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.680 Theory and Grayson Waller, but he's a guy who has not held a singles 95 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:14.240 championship since twenty seventeen, conveniently enough, or coincidentally enough, the US title 96 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.600 when he was feuding with it over he was feuding with aj Styles over it 97 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:24.000 on SmackDown Live. That eventually led to his program with Shane McMahon and the 98 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.199 eventual return to Daniel Bright and all that. So when I look at the 99 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.600 next opponent for Logan Paul, it's Kevin Owens. And maybe I'm looking too 100 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.199 far down the line here, and you could extend this program probably right till 101 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:39.959 WrestleMania. But I would even make the case that Kevin Owens should be the 102 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.079 next guy to hold that championship just because of how long it's been since he's 103 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.439 held a singles title. Yeah, that's that's fair. And Kevin Owens is 104 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.160 in no man's land. The program he has with Austin Theory, Grayson Waller, 105 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:56.399 it's kind of like a slapstick comedy, fun but sometimes serious type of 106 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.920 program that really no one's got a whole lot of emotional investment in. Ken 107 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.360 is essentially free. I mean like that, I don't consider him in a 108 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.680 program that he can't go anywhere with that he can come and go as he 109 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.399 pleases. This is a Logan Paul with Kevin Owens match. I think ready 110 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.240 for the making. Ella A Knight, as you said, is still tangled 111 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.120 with the blood line. And you know what, maybe they don't even go 112 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.399 La Knight Logan Paul yet because Ella Knight should be favored to win that. 113 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.560 But if they want Ella Knight to win the rumble, I mean this is 114 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.040 where you start to long term book. You can't have Laen eight Lowse to 115 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.920 Logan Paul clean. Maybe he uses the Knucks, I don't know, but 116 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.480 right now, Kevin Owens should be the first guy up. If you're talking 117 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.159 about AJ Styles, absolutely. The problem would be though that when you look 118 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.759 at AJ Styles, then think about how he left with the blood line injuring 119 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:41.480 him. It wouldn't make sense for him to go into a program with Logan 120 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.080 Paul and totally forget about the fact. Oh yeah, the blood line is 121 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:46.879 the reason I'm not back and the blood line's reason I was out for a 122 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:52.240 couple of months. So I think aj styles. Though that said, Ken 123 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:56.320 quickly transitioned to Logan Paul. If they want to go that road, I 124 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.120 mean you also look at other guys too that are on the fringe. I 125 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.360 mean, you do have Bobby Lashley, who you know you could eventually get 126 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.399 in there, but he's a he's kind of a heel at this point, 127 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.240 you know. Outside of that, I mean, I really don't know dragon 128 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.240 Ly. I mean, there's another possibility, but this, this is a 129 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:18.240 there's at least a good handful five guys that could probably rattle off as we 130 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.399 did that are going to be able to work with Logan Pol in a very 131 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.759 effective program. I'm looking forward to this. So, assuming Logan Pol is 132 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.840 full time, and that doesn't mean wrestling every single SmackDown, but let's say 133 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:35.159 he appears on at least two smackdowns a month, He's on every pl he 134 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.679 has let's say one one match per month on SmackDown, like a relatively full 135 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:43.000 time run. And to be honest, I think if you're a champion, 136 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.559 one of the perks should be that you don't work the same full time schedule 137 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.000 as everyone else. I think that that's a perfectly realistic kind of perk for 138 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:56.679 being a champion in a professional sport or a simulated professional sport. So assuming 139 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.879 that we get a mostly full time nan of Logan pol here and go beyond 140 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:05.200 the United States Championship, But what kind of ceiling does this guy have? 141 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.919 Because maybe same for kurd Angle. I don't think anyone's picked it up as 142 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.720 quickly and as naturally as Logan Paul has. But like in the last two 143 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.960 decades, have we seen someone has such a natural as Logan Paul. Oh 144 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.879 No, this is I understand. The guy is a crazy athlete. He 145 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.159 was in amateur wrestling. He was very successful as a boxer. Lover or 146 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.320 hate him, put all our personal feelings aside. The guy has picked it 147 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.639 up in record time. He is a mini kurd Angle in that respect, 148 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.200 not to say he's kurd Angle Olympic level quality, but in how quickly he's 149 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.320 picked it up. He's compared all the time to that. And he has 150 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.879 no business being this good this quickly. He doesn't. He has what like 151 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.399 six seven matches that you know it singles matches in front of live audiences. 152 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.840 Like it's it's it's insane, and it feels like he has been here for 153 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.279 five to ten years to have this level of experience. Now, what's his 154 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:00.759 ceiling? Of course, time is gonna tell. We don't know what that 155 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.639 is yet. I would imagine that it's at bare minimum. At worst, 156 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.840 it's the fact that, Okay, he has a one month run his first 157 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.320 opponent beats and Logan Paul kind of you know, maybe goes back and forth 158 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:16.360 between boxing and WWE or something like that. That's worst case. Best case 159 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:22.440 is this guy has a US championship through WrestleMania forty and retains through WrestleMania forty, 160 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.799 I mean, and then continues on and has a sustained run. I 161 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.519 think that is the ceiling at this point. I mean to say, what 162 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.600 his ceiling is for his entirety of his career is a little bit more of 163 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:35.840 a difficult question to answer, given we have such a small sample size. 164 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:37.720 But I think those are kind of the extremes of what we're looking at right 165 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:43.720 now with Logan Paul. So do you think that there's any legs for him 166 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.519 to be a babyface eventually or is it just way too early to even forecast 167 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.639 that type of version of Logan Paul because there are just so there's so much 168 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.840 tread left on the tire with him as a heel. Because I was thinking 169 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.679 about this today with the Roman reign not around, if he's there on a 170 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:07.720 weekly or close to weekly basis, is he not the best rule in the 171 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:11.480 company. And out look, a lot of that can change with Drew McIntyre, 172 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:16.679 how much they elevate Damien Priest over the coming months with that that money 173 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.840 in the bank briefcase, rear Ripley on the women's side of things has a 174 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.080 case to be made as just the best heel in the company period, on 175 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:30.399 both the men and women's side. But if Logan Paul actually like fully dedicates 176 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:35.519 and commits and there's actually like legitimacy to what he said today or whenever it 177 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:41.679 was to him going you know what deep into WWE and wrestling, I think 178 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.080 that this guy could be the biggest heel in the company by as early as 179 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.240 this time next year, especially depending on what happens with Roman reigns in his 180 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:56.480 schedule. And what's interesting is you can actually have Roman and Logan do a 181 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:58.320 double turn at some point. I know they already had their matchup the kind 182 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.919 of one off and now he's diving head first into the deep end and really 183 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:05.879 going full time. If that, if that is true, I mean you 184 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.279 could have hit them to a double turn, because at some point Roman is 185 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.600 gonna turn babyface. I still I predicted in the next you know, twelve 186 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.960 months. I think by this time next year we could be talking about a 187 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:20.080 babyface Roman. You know, that's another discussion, of course, But logan 188 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.559 Paul, right now, I don't think it's in the cards. Right now, 189 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.039 he is on a nice heel run. He feels so much more comfortable 190 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:30.960 as a heel in the ring. His brass nut gimmick is is one that 191 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.320 is again reminds me of the William Regal days that has been sorely missed. 192 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.279 I really enjoy what he brings in the ring on the microphone. He's just 193 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:43.840 arrogant as an actual human being. I think his actual arrogance as a person 194 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.799 comes through and it translates very nicely on TV. So yeah, for at 195 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.480 least the next twelve months, I mean, I would keep him a heel 196 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.679 and see what you got and see how far you can go, and then 197 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.720 and kind of re evaluate. But sure you could turn a babyface. I 198 00:13:56.759 --> 00:13:58.080 mean, look at that, how quickly they turned them his baby face. 199 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.080 He's been a heel for how many years, and all of a sudden everyone 200 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.759 feels bad and for the Miz and sympathy for the Miz. You could do 201 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.919 the same with Logan Paul. It's really not gonna be that difficult, because 202 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.720 you know, we'll feel bad if what if Logan Paul comes out and and 203 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.919 he does have some kind of faux injury and then you know, say a 204 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.279 heel group comes out beats him down and he's out numbered. I mean, 205 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.679 you'll you naturally gravitate towards the underdog, and if you see somebody getting beat 206 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.519 down three four on one, you're gonna want to see that other person try 207 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:31.799 to rise up and take them down. I mean, it's it's it's not 208 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.840 that difficult to do. But right now I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be, 209 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:41.000 you know, discussing it when I look at both sides of the roster, 210 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.120 Raw and SmackDown, and I see the star power that Logan Paul brings, 211 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:50.480 like with Roman Reigns not there on SmackDown. I think he has more 212 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:56.279 star power than any full time competitor right now, including La Night and on 213 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:58.559 the raw side of things, like Seth kind of has that star power as 214 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:03.120 much as we don't like the character. Cody Rhodes is over in that capacity 215 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.200 as well. But I do think it's fair to say with John CNN now 216 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:11.440 leaving Roman Reigns being on a part time schedule, the Rock nowhere to be 217 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:16.000 seen, brock lesra on hiatus for the last three months or so, this 218 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:20.279 is a roster, specifically on the men's side, that lacks high end star 219 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.679 power on a week to week basis. And I know that a lot of 220 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.600 people hate Logan Pung a personal level, and that's kind of been I guess 221 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.240 shifted over to a character level as well, which is what you want. 222 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:37.200 He is a mega mega heel, but if he does, he not bring 223 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.120 a type of star power that is a lacked heavily on both sides and on 224 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:46.519 both brands. Oh yeah, instantly, I mean, And that probably is 225 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.840 one of the biggest contributing factors for WWE giving this guy an opportunity is the 226 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.600 fact that he has how many you know, how many tens of millions of 227 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.360 social media followers that WWE is looking at and saying, hey, can we 228 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.480 translate these into dollar signs? Like they looked at his followers and probably just 229 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.879 saw dollar signs, and I would too, because you're thinking, even if 230 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.240 you bring over less than one percent, like half of a percent of one 231 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:15.639 of those people into regular viewership, they become viewers, regular viewers, and 232 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.480 then they start buying, you know, merchandise and attending live events. I'm 233 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.159 looking at this if I'm WWE and saying chi ching because again, even though 234 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.480 you understand a small, small fraction of those people are going to become wrestling 235 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.399 fans, you still are are able to cast a wide net and try to 236 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.039 reach some of those people, and I think they will. And I think 237 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.240 that's again a part of the reason why they brought him over is his star 238 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.120 power, is his social media influence. He's one of the biggest social media 239 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.440 stars on the planet. And on top of that, he's insanely good in 240 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.919 the ring, and he is coming into his own on the microphone and he 241 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.000 just gets it. Now. I don't think we've seen the best of Logan 242 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:52.759 pol See. That's the crazy thing is we haven't even seen the best of 243 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.240 him, right, I mean, this is still Logan Paul super green. 244 00:16:56.320 --> 00:17:00.519 What does Logan Paul look like when he starts to mature and actually, you 245 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.839 know, get his timing down to a point where he looks like a veteran, 246 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.480 Like this is Logan ball as a green guy. What does it look 247 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.799 like when he's actually fully polished? And that's the scary thing, but he 248 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.160 gets it so much in the ring, like you cannot see through any of 249 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:21.599 his work, And when I mean work, I don't mean that exclusively to 250 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:26.519 his innering physical capabilities, like he knows how to cut promos, his cadence 251 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:32.039 is on point, he knows his character. He's a d bag by nature, 252 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.480 which I mean, I guess inherently makes it easy for him to portray 253 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:41.279 that on television, Like he's made for show business. And he's clearly an 254 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.880 A plus athlete. So you put those two things together together, which is 255 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:49.640 pretty much professional wrestling. And this was made for him. And just because 256 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:53.480 he is from an outside world and just because he didn't go through the indie 257 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:59.039 circuits or go through NXT, I don't think that he should be burned at 258 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.759 the stake. For maybe there are kind of wrestling purists who are more in 259 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:07.279 line with like an indie style man for lack of it where it's aw style 260 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.880 type of wrestling, But I get it that he's that the social media stuff 261 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:17.160 and for w W, it's very advantageous monetarily to push this guy to a 262 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:21.759 prominent position. But this isn't like you're putting the US head on Johnny Knoxville 263 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:25.039 or something like. This guy is a legit badass. He did box for 264 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:30.319 real, He's really good in the ring, with the exception of him not 265 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.960 paying his dues. Per se, there is no reason from a from a 266 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:40.599 an in ring perspective, a creative perspective, and a business perspective not to 267 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:45.920 be positioning this kind of prominent position. No, there is no good reason 268 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.039 to not. And I'm sure that the only possible resistance to this are guys 269 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:53.359 in the back who are jealous or are insecure about their own position, or 270 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.720 feel like he hasn't paid his dues, and to be honest, has he 271 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:00.000 Probably not, But that doesn't mean that if he is on the show, 272 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:02.519 show it's a bad thing. Because if fans want to see him, fans 273 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.240 are reacting to him, and he continues to deliver, you can complain until 274 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.079 you're blue in the face that he hasn't quote unquote paid his dues and the 275 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.839 boys in the back, he hasn't earned their respect, which is it's gonna 276 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.839 come, but it's got to be earned. We all know that. But 277 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.400 at the end of the day, if he ends up delivering in the ring 278 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:23.440 and showing respect and just little by little earning the guy's respect, that'll come. 279 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.880 But that, to me is the only resistance that I could imagine, 280 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.960 you know, or hesitation on management part is is this gonna be a you 281 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.240 know, is this gonna hurt morale backstage? Is this gonna, you know, 282 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.480 piss off some guys backstage, because there are a lot of guys that 283 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.039 have been there a lot longer than he has. And all of a sudden, 284 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.079 he's US champion, He's being featured in prominent matches on on on WW 285 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:49.000 television. He's had an opportunity at Roman Reigns, he beat raymis Stereo And 286 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.160 I've been here twenty years and I haven't you know that kind of thing, 287 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:56.759 and I totally understand that argument. I'd feel the same way, But it 288 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.759 all comes down to crowd reaction. It all comes down to delivering when the 289 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.400 light goes on, and Logan Paul has done that. Well, that's the 290 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.759 thing, Like I get that the hard work, paying your dues, like 291 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.720 grinding for that opportunity. But as much as it's like an intangible, there 292 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:15.880 is such thing as an IT factor, and he has that it factor. 293 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.640 He has the look, he has the confidence, he has the promobility, 294 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.480 he has the athletic ability, he has the in ring IQ. And this 295 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.519 is all to your point being a green performance. Was his first in ring 296 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.200 match? Was what was it? The tag team match with the Miz at 297 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:36.559 WrestleMania thirty eight? Was that his first match? So? I mean and 298 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.759 singles matches? Was this not his fifth? Like, let's go through his 299 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.839 singles matches? He had the mis I believe was his first Roman Rings seth 300 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:52.400 Rawlins, Ricochet and raymis Heir? Were those the am I missing any singles 301 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.039 matches from logan? Paul, I don't think so, you said Roman rains, 302 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.000 Yeah, so I don't think so, And rattle off the guys he's 303 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.720 faced and hung with in the ring, like, okay, the Miz. 304 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:06.799 He doesn't match the other star power, but he still is a seasoned veteran 305 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.000 in the ring. Roman Ring is the biggest star that the company has to 306 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:14.359 offer right now. Seth Ron's arguably the best in ring competitor right now, 307 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:18.039 Rick with a like the guy might as well work for SIRC to silay like. 308 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.240 He's a He's a like as cheese as it sounds. He is in 309 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.799 a lot of ways a live action superhero and ray Masteriro, the best little 310 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.960 man in the history of the company and the standard bear for any Lucas style 311 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:37.359 wrestler. So he's hung with like the cream of the crop from a psychology 312 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.599 standpoint, a star power standpoint, a legacy standpoint in ring standpoint, and 313 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:47.359 he has yet to have even a mediocre match, Like all of his matches 314 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.839 have been out of the park. And that's not to even mention what he 315 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.359 did at the Royal Rumble last year, which was astonishing in and of itself. 316 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.640 So I get it that there is the whole paying your due stuff and 317 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.480 that applies to a lot of walks of life. But he has that it 318 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:07.359 factor and he has done nothing promo wise, creative wise, envying wise to 319 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:12.160 not position him where he is right now. No, that's again, that 320 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.759 is what it comes down to at the end of the day, is did 321 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.200 you deliver? Are the fans reacting to you do you feel like he belonged? 322 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:21.799 And as you said, do you have the it and Logan Paul has 323 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:23.519 the it guys in the back. Hey, I'm sure there's a lot of 324 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:27.720 them that don't like him, or are jealous or are portraying their own insecurities 325 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:30.960 on him, and that's just natural. I'm not blaming them for it. 326 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:34.680 But he is the best choice right now for US champion. He can work 327 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:37.400 with anybody, anybody they put in front of him. At least from what 328 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.079 I've seen so far, he has yet to have a stinker of a match. 329 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.920 And you see what he did with the Raymisterio match at Crown Jewel where 330 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:49.000 he saved the life of Ray. Now, you could argue again that was 331 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:52.279 he in position where that that actually shouldn't have happened and he should have been 332 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.000 closer to Ray. Sure, I mean there is maybe a little blame to 333 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:59.759 put on Logan, but he still heads up enough and smart enough and realizes, 334 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:03.480 hey, you know that that instantaneous fraction of a second reaction that he 335 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.839 had to catch Ray. If he didn't, of course, that the consequences, 336 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.119 as we all know, would have been devastating or fatal. I mean 337 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.640 literally it would have been absolutely awful. And for that to be something that 338 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:19.119 Logan Paul can put under his belt and for management, I'm sure that was 339 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.039 not lost on them. That kind of stuff is uh. You know, 340 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.559 you are protecting the guy you're working with, and of course is the number 341 00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:30.880 one priority. And he has shown that and he hasn't done anything stupid outside 342 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.720 the ring. He's he has his own podcast. We know that. But 343 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.240 he has really matured at least outside the ring from what I understand, And 344 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:41.359 you know that's also super important. He is the guy. He's also super 345 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.799 young. I mean he is youth, he's athleticism, he's star power, 346 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.960 He's got every box you'd want to check for the making of the next star 347 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:56.400 in the company. What you're gonna do, brother, when the crypto bull 348 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.359 run comes to you, The ticker is SmackDown on a blockchain. Brother. 349 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:07.440 We're the first and only wrestling theme crypto and we're bridging wrestling in cryptocurrency to 350 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:12.519 make the most electrifying meme coin in crypto history. OO mean coins like doges 351 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:18.279 Pepe and she Be and you are leading the upcoming bull run and we got 352 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.359 the juice to turn our two passions into the next crypto phenomenon. Join the 353 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:27.480 community at SmackDown dot pro. The coin is stone Cold Rock Scene Amacho McMahon 354 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:33.160 SmackDown ten in you, and the ticker is SmackDown Just remember, brother, 355 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:41.480 it's for life. And even the fact that he has been a d bag 356 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:45.160 on the like in the real world, he's done some questionable things, He's 357 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:51.000 he said some questionable things. He is a YouTube sensation, but in a 358 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:56.480 real way, doesn't that make his character more may not endearing, but more 359 00:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.680 relatable, Like I think he's around my age on twenty nine years old, 360 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.559 and guys my age, my buddies, when I'm sure you're not fine from 361 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.799 my age either, like what nine years older than me? I believe, 362 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.079 like we've all done stupid, you know what when we're young, right, 363 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:17.640 And the fact that we're seeing like a real life guy portray his real life 364 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:22.599 f ups on into ww programming kind of makes him relatable even if he is 365 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.880 a d bag. But he's kind of like in college, the frat guy 366 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.440 that every girl wants to be with and every guy wants to be and that 367 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.400 kind of makes you hate him, but at the same time live vicariously through 368 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.640 him all at the same time, if you if that does kind of appeal 369 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.039 in some ways. So I don't know. I know he's supposed to be 370 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:45.279 a heal and I know he's a d bag in real life and on screen, 371 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.240 but there's something that is kind of endearing about him and for some guys 372 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:55.119 I'm sure relatable about him as well. Yeah, he's got that charisma that 373 00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.160 you just what the lover hate him, you can't deny he has it. 374 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.160 I'm not even talking about you know in the ring. He's got it and 375 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.960 it translates perfectly. But you can just take him and place him in a 376 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.000 frat house and you're like, I know exactly who this guy is, Like 377 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.279 you just know outside everyone knows kind of who a Logan Paul is in their 378 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.640 life, even if you're not friends with them, just kind of acquaintances or 379 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.079 maybe our chenemies or whatever. You know what kind of guy he is and 380 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.680 you can't deny that, even if you don't like him. He's got it. 381 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.279 And that's what he's bringing to the Ring here, and I think it's 382 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.960 gonna translate very well, and I ultimately I think he's gonna have a very 383 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.920 successful career, barring injury or barring he you know, maybe he wants to 384 00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:34.480 leave WW and go back to boxing. We don't know. I mean, 385 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:40.079 we've seen guys Will, particularly Brock Lesner, do kind of the dual UFCWWE 386 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:44.119 thing and it worked out for Brock. But we'll see how much leverage Logan 387 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.559 Paul has. If he's diving headfirst into this, I would imagine he's going 388 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:51.920 to be there for at least the next year full time, and seeing what 389 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.119 that brings and seeing how he matures is going to be a fun project to 390 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.480 watch. I think they're gonna when I look at the rain here, I'm 391 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.839 thinking that they're gonna take this on a case by case, month by month, 392 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.920 pl e by ple e because they don't have a whole lot to work 393 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.039 with with Logan Paul. When it comes to in ring, big stage, 394 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.880 big moments. He's delivered thus far, but there's a larger body of work 395 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.400 they need to have him show them before he decides, yeah, this is 396 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.400 our guy for the next you know, five years. There's a long way 397 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.200 to go. But there is not anybody I can think of in the last 398 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.119 twenty years outside of Kurt Angle, that has come along that I've said, 399 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:32.359 oh my God, like this this guy. It feels like he's been here 400 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.119 ten years and he's been here, what a couple. The first thing I 401 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.240 remember is Kevin Owens stunning him. I think it was a Wrestlmania thirty eight. 402 00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:45.200 Yeah, he was like the special wrath or enforcer for Kevin versus Sammy 403 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.160 or something like that. Yeah, And I remember them trying to get him 404 00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:49.960 cheered, and Kevin Owens stunned him, and I'm like, that's exactly what 405 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.279 I wanted to see. So of course they could pull on that if Kevin 406 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.920 wants to face Slogan. But yeah, this is this is gonna be all 407 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.440 the fun. I have no complaints thus far, and a heel chanceion is 408 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.519 always a better one in my eyes because Babyfaces in chase mode is a better 409 00:28:04.599 --> 00:28:11.000 formula. So with no pay Pal View or pl E between now, rumble, 410 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.400 is there a way to use Logan Paul in the US Championship in a 411 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.000 fashion that makes it feel important? Oh? Yeah, I mean, and 412 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.960 this is what I've thought about. What they're gonna do since there's no pl 413 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.200 E to to fill the gap in December, is they're gonna have a more 414 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.240 championship matches, especially in December than they otherwise would have to kind of make 415 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.319 it feel like there's important things going on, even though there's not a PLI 416 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.799 to make it an official platform to have those matches. So you know, 417 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.640 you'll probably have another World title match, You'll you know, you'll definitely have 418 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.759 like I would imagine a United States Title match as we get into December after 419 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.799 Survivor Series, when you know you're getting close to the end of the year, 420 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:52.319 and you know, maybe mid December or so, they're gonna start throwing 421 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.559 in US title matches and you know, trying to make maybe a triple threat 422 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:00.440 between Kevin ray And and Logan Paul that seems to make sense. La and 423 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:04.480 I'll probably be still messing around with Jimmy USO. But yeah, they'll probably 424 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.519 have more tampion matches than otherwise they would have because they got eight weeks of 425 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.119 television to fill. It's too much, isn't it. It's it's it's insane 426 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:18.119 like here, I feel like there's some parts of the year where there's too 427 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.960 many pay per views, but now there's not enough, Like for me, 428 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:29.160 could you have not moved fast Lane or Payback into December? Like for me, 429 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.799 fast Lane was kind of a useless pay per view, not to say 430 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.960 that there wasn't good that came out of it, but you had two pay 431 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.720 per views, you basically now have had, uh, what will it be 432 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.759 three pay per views in two months, and then you're going two months with 433 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:47.000 no pay per view. Yeah, And that's what I don't understand. And 434 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:53.119 I look historically at pay per views in that December month, like Day one 435 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.640 was brilliant, but I also know that the calendar doesn't always fallen away that 436 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.400 allows you to do that New Year's She was a really good pay per view 437 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:06.000 way back when Armageddon. Maybe the name could stand just be changed and there's 438 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.799 a reason why they don't use that pay per view anyway. But like I 439 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.559 thought, like Armageddon was always a pay per view that delivered, whether that 440 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:17.319 was Chris Jericho as the first ever undisputed Champion, the Night of Shine where 441 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.640 Evolution Walker with all the Gold at Armaged in two thousand and four, the 442 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:25.960 Armageddon al in the Cell match, which was kind of like the precursor to 443 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.960 the toh not the precursor, kind of like the predecessor to the Elimination Chamber 444 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.039 in two thousand, Like I don't know, like I think that that was 445 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.720 always a very important pay per view and really got the ball biling into the 446 00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:44.559 Ray Rumbles season and was the buffer between two major pay per views of Survivor 447 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:48.839 Series and Ray Rumble. But now it's almost like that that no pay per 448 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:55.240 view in December hurt Survivor Series in a way in some odd fashion. And 449 00:30:55.359 --> 00:31:00.920 not only that, it just causes a major lull around the holidays. That's 450 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.119 just it. And I made this I made this case last night of my 451 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.720 week or review. Is what's their logic? They would tell us, Well, 452 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:10.079 people are busy in you know, December, and it's the holidays, 453 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.799 and well, what does the NFL do? Does the NFL take a week 454 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:17.200 off? I mean, people are more engaged in their screens in televisions in 455 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:21.039 December probably than a lot of other months during the spring and summer months when 456 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.319 it's warmer, people are outside, they're taking vacations. What do they think 457 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.000 people are literally at the mall all the time, going well, I have 458 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.440 no time to watch any TV. What do they think people are doing? 459 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.519 I think that's kind of an antiquated thought process. Really, I understand why 460 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.480 people think that way and why companies feel WW feels that way, but it 461 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.400 just it actually is kind of counterintuitive. I don't mind if you want to 462 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.160 kind of hold this, you know, hold steady, don't do anything crazy 463 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.359 till the Rumble season starts and when WrestleMania season officially starts. Fine, but 464 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.440 you can hold a ple e. There's no reason not to hold a ple 465 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.039 e in December. There really isn't. People will find a way to get 466 00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.680 there. There's there's no good reason outside of just well, it's the holidays. 467 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.799 What about the rest of it. There are major holidays throughout the rest 468 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:07.640 of the year that arguably people are less home for that. I mean fourth 469 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.880 July, people are taking vacations. There's usually something going on around the fourth 470 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:15.519 of July. I mean hell, I mean around Thanksgiving. Survivor Series is 471 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.119 what two days after Thanksgiving here in the United States, and so like people 472 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.240 where are people? Are they not with their families? Are they not traveling? 473 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.559 And suddenly we can do a pl here. So I just I don't 474 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.720 know outside of well, it's the holidays, people are busy. Why they 475 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.680 don't do a pl in December. What is the good reason? You don't 476 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.640 have to do anything major, anything revolutionary. Just hold the course, don't 477 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.640 do anything crazy, and then you know, do you know, do your 478 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:44.240 next event at Rumble and really get things into gear. Well, like, 479 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.200 for you, would you have like a gimmick pay per view, a championship 480 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.039 match pay per view like you've had Day One, You've had elimination a not 481 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:57.640 elimination chamber, but New Year's Revolution that often had elimination chambers descending to dismember 482 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.559 arm Again, Helena, So like, what kind of pay per view do 483 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.000 you think it would be advantageous to put in in the December? Oh? 484 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.880 I would. I would bring back Taboo Tuesday. I'd go wild. I 485 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.839 mean that that's what I would do. I mean, in this digital world, 486 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.759 Tabloo Tuesday was ahead of its time and I had no issue with it. 487 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:16.079 And sure people could say, oh, the results were rigged. I 488 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:21.000 don't think they were. I mean they put decisions or choices in there. 489 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.160 They knew people probably were going to choose, and so they kind of swayed 490 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.200 the way people should vote. But I ultimately think you could, you know, 491 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.480 not chip away the good will of fans and make them believe that the 492 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.400 results are real, because I think they are, and you do something crazy 493 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.119 like that. You could do a Tabloo Tuesday or come up with something Saturday, 494 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.319 so it's not during the week. You could do that too, so 495 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:43.039 it's not interfering with people's workdays, and you could do that. But that's 496 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.039 what you would do. So it's like, oh, December, Now, 497 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.759 December is kind of fun. It's never a massive event, but at least 498 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.720 they're doing a pl where it feels like I can interact and I can see 499 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.279 the results I voted for. Are they going to come out on the event? 500 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.680 What did other people vote for? What other voting results. In this 501 00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.720 ultra digital world where people are to their screens, I think that it's a 502 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:07.239 no brainer to do something like that and have voting for fans and having them 503 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:10.840 be able to actually be a physical part of the show. That's what I 504 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.800 think they should do, and that's what I would do in December. Make 505 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.760 it fun, make it kind of lighthearted, but there are serious results that 506 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.239 could result. So that's what I would do. But one thing, no 507 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:22.159 matter what kind of pay per view would be, it would have to involve 508 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.519 the world champion, right, and not to go on a Roman bring to 509 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.000 diet tribe, but the fact that he is not only doing another two plus 510 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:37.440 months without defaying the championship is missing Survivor Series. This is a Lenstan Like, 511 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.960 I don't even know if I would consider it a big full pay per 512 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:44.039 view anymore. It feels a crown jewel has overtaken it just as a result 513 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.639 of the sums of money that they get from Saudi Arabia to go over there. 514 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.199 But now it's become a well, it's been a gimmicky pay per view 515 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.559 for the better part of a decade, it feels like, but now it's 516 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:59.360 the biggest star and the most prominent championship you have in the company. Are 517 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.039 not doing to be featured on the show? You're not gonna have a real 518 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.079 title defended on the men's side of things, Like, you know, we'll 519 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.119 talk to me maybe about Survivors Series as a pay per view and what it's 520 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:14.880 become since let's say twenty sixteen, at a later time when we get closer 521 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.239 to the actual pay per view, But like, is there anything left to 522 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.199 be said about what has gone on the last year or so with Roman Reigns's 523 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.440 title run? Noah, I mean I feel like I'm gonna just, you 524 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.760 know, beat a turn on the broken record and take it off, beat 525 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.960 it again. And try to repair it, because I feel like I am 526 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.039 saying the same thing with this, but this is it's getting to the point 527 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.079 I don't even know what to say anymore. I'm actually at a loss of 528 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:42.519 words. And look, if it is health related, if his cancer is 529 00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.599 back, and that's the reason he's taking more and more time off, it's 530 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.880 if you notice it's getting worse as we go on. It's not improving, 531 00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.599 it's getting worse. So if it's health related, by all means, man, 532 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.079 take the time off all you need, to spend time with your family, 533 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.239 whatever you gotta do. But don't, don't, you know, sacrifice 534 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:07.000 everyone else's careers and livelihoods simply for just looking, Oh, another day's past, 535 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.320 another day's past. Oh we can add five weeks, six weeks, 536 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.679 eight weeks to his reign. Oh cool, Like that that is beyond the 537 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.960 point of return for me, Like that is not something I even care about 538 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.320 anymore. I really don't even care if he beats Hulk Hogan's record. I 539 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.320 actually don't give a damn about his record anymore. Because I realized that no 540 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.159 matter what they do, there is nothing they can do to repair all the 541 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.360 damage that they've done. That they'll never know they did, but that is 542 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.800 inherently there, meaning guys that could have had opportunities to be world champion or 543 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:44.360 underspeed a champion and main event with Roman Reigns or main event with whoever and 544 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.480 work with whoever will never know all the damage that could have been all at 545 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:52.079 the altar of Roman Reigns ticking off day after day after day and then not 546 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.960 showing up more and more and more. So I don't even know what your 547 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.320 original question was, but that's how I feel. No, it was just 548 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.440 like, you know, we're getting up against the time wise, but it 549 00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.159 just really kind of feels that it's it's at the point and I always said 550 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.199 this last week and probably the week before that, but like the point of 551 00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.599 diminishing returns. With the longer they go with this, it just dilutes it. 552 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.800 And I feel like, I want to say since WrestleMania, but they 553 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.719 did have this Civil War stuff that had it had a shelf life and a 554 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.880 short one at that, but it was fun. But it feels like, 555 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:35.159 really since that Sammisan defeat at Elimination Chamber, and not just because I was 556 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:40.079 there, but it feels like it's been a slow descent into darkness. But 557 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:45.400 just like breathing, the time, run the farther you get. And as 558 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.719 soon as they passed a thousand days, I feel like that's like the clock's 559 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.440 been ticking here. And I know they've referenced the two runs that he's coming 560 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:59.760 up on Hulk Hogan and what's the other one that Bruno Sammartino. Sammartino is 561 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.760 too runs in the top three, So look, I can imagine they could 562 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.800 bring this past WrestleMania Hango. I said this last week, but you know, 563 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.079 I'm no Cody Rhodes guy, but I'd rather him face Cody Roads at 564 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.280 this point than The Rock or anyone else, just because I think Cody Rhoads 565 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.559 put in the same position, would win the championship and I just need to 566 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.960 see someone else hold that title. And if you want to position the Roman 567 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.519 Rains is the new Pleasant, that's all fine and dandy, but you can 568 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:30.360 have him hold the most important title hostage for three plus years. So it's 569 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.079 unfortunate because I still really do like Roman Reigns, and when he's on the 570 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.800 television, he captivates me. And there's a reason why they've pushed him to 571 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.559 this particular spot, especially in his character, but his schedule has just made 572 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.519 it they can't do it anymore. And you know, when we get to 573 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.960 wrestling season, it will be two years that he's on this part time schedule 574 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.360 and enough is enough at this point, right, And to kind of put 575 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:59.480 a closing exclamation point on that, it's he's not gaining anything by getting more 576 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.480 days. All that's happening is our guys are losing by him gaining more days. 577 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.199 There's there's nothing to be gained anymore outside of a stat that they want 578 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:14.039 to get to that they feel is going to you know, define Roman's career. 579 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.840 That that, to me is what they are thinking. And it's all 580 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.400 at the sacrifice of other guys on the roster who are like, what the 581 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.480 hell is going on here? And that's who I feel bad for, and 582 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.599 the fans of course, as fans, it's just so frustrating. It's it's 583 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.360 heat on the company, not heat on Roman. Good for him, good 584 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.199 for all of his you know money, he's collected, all of his schedule 585 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.519 and all the time off. Good for him. Seriously, it's just there's 586 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:43.440 nothing left to be gained. I don't care even if he ends up beating 587 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.000 becomes the number one longest raigning champion of all time. I don't care. 588 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.880 That doesn't matter to me more or fans I think anymore. I think fans 589 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:52.880 are just like, can we just move on? It's all like w w's 590 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.760 doing this selfishly so they can anoint Roman in while they're in power and while 591 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.440 they in management, while the creative has the opportunity. They're saying, we're 592 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.599 not gonna be able to do this again, this is a hell of a 593 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:07.079 run in our in our lifetimes. We may I'll be able to do this. 594 00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.239 Let's just go all the way with it. So it's almost a selfish 595 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.440 milestone that they're trying to achieve with Roman and saying, well, the fans 596 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.519 will deal with the you know, they'll complain they got seth over there on 597 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.880 raw. They'll be fine. I think it's it's beyond its shelf life. 598 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.480 I understand some of the bloodline stuff, and a lot of it was very 599 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.599 good, but Roman doesn't need to be champion anymore to be entertaining. He 600 00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.559 has beyond. He's beyond the championship. He can be entertaining without it, 601 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:35.719 and there's a whole baby face around to be had with him without the belt. 602 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.199 So that's how I feel. It's so true, right, and like 603 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.159 if you're making him into the new bral Klesner, which feels like that's what 604 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.679 how they're positioning him, that's fine, and brockla The only thing is is 605 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:52.440 that Braklesner had a legitimacy about him that made you believe that, oh yeah, 606 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.159 this guy could go back to m a man at any pointer, go 607 00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:00.000 back to his farm in Saskatchewan. Like he doesn't need the WWE as much, 608 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.119 which is they've done a good job building Roman Reigns to feel bigger than 609 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.639 w WE. He just isn't. Like that's just the fact of the matter. 610 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.519 He's not a Hollywood star, He's on a MMA star. He didn't 611 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:14.280 come close to making the NFL like Brock bad, like like Roman Rains doesn't 612 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.519 have that same cachet. And it was Brock's thing to just do what Brock 613 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.599 wants. When I get it, I understand if it's Hash Paul Haim into 614 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.400 Roman Reigns. Get I get the story they're trying to tell, but they've 615 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.559 pushed it so far, and even peak brock Lesner was was not this absence, 616 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:35.000 Like, for God's sakes, brock Lesner had a match against Smooja a 617 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.960 Great Balls of Fire. That's the most B level pay per view that you 618 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:44.480 could find. So even peak Brocklesner was not as part time as Roman reigns. 619 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.519 Boy, what an underrated match, an underrated program that I think could 620 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.360 have. I think what really hurts that program is that it was on a 621 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.719 pay per view called Great Balls of Fire because this idea was that just I 622 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.760 don't know, but it hurt everything on that show because I'm just like, 623 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.960 what the name of this thing? I mean, you have a matchup that 624 00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.360 I mean, I remember that. I'm not trying to get into this, 625 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.079 but it was a matchup that I was really looking forward to. I loved 626 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.599 it. I think they could have done more. And I'm like, oh, 627 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.039 but it's under that Great Balls a Fire pay review. I'm like, 628 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.679 can they name it anything else? Anything? And yeah, So all right, 629 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.679 Well, any final thoughts here, comments, We're gonna wrap it up. 630 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.280 I guess my only thing would be is that I am excited for Survivor 631 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.000 series in a weird way, but the fact that there's no significant titles on 632 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:35.320 the line on the men's side of things has really kind of got me let 633 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.400 down in some way. Agreed, and maybe that'll be our topic next week, 634 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:43.800 is like how Survivor series doesn't feel like the Big Four anymore on paper? 635 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.199 I think it does on paper, we're told it does, but it's 636 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:50.840 been so gimmicked up over the last ten years or so that it's like, 637 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.960 I don't know if I really feel that way anymore with all the brand manufactured 638 00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:00.000 brand rivalries that meant absolutely nothing to now the War Games match, which has 639 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.800 it's good and bad to it. But yeah, maybe that'll be our topic 640 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.039 next week. Yeah, well, as soon as it's coming fast, right, 641 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.199 Like we go through weird to stretches where there's no pay per views like 642 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:14.039 there will be in December, but then somewhere it's NonStop, like it's felt 643 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.480 like it's been since the beginning of October exactly, right. So all right, 644 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.519 Well, everybody check out the brand new after Dark show that Anthony dropped 645 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:27.280 on Friday. It's Johnsena and the Future of the US title And I hope 646 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.840 you guys check that out. If you're on the NXT Plus or Smackdowns here 647 00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.199 and hire, you'll be able to listen to that. And I hope you 648 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.519 guys check that out. It's gonna be h. It's a good listening experience, 649 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:42.400 especially very relevant to the US title conversation that we had tonight. 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