WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.879 I'm ready, I'm recording. Let's do this the final episode of the cole 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:55.840 Jack Saves. That was not the voice of Carl cole Chack, the reporter 3 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:02.000 known as the Nightstalker, because there was no episode called the Eve of Terror, 4 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:03.840 while there was, but it was a script and we're going to talk 5 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:10.200 about that and a few other last things on the final episode here of the 6 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:12.519 coal Chack Tapes. My name is Mike White. I am joined by Chris 7 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:18.439 Stashu. As always, folks, I'm here for one last go round with 8 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:21.560 Cold Check. How so did we determine how long it's been since we started 9 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:23.959 this podcast? I think we were saying three years. It's been a long 10 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.599 journey, folks, And if you stuck with us this entire time, welcome. 11 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:32.480 The end is here and we are also joined by our very special guests. 12 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:36.719 The only guest who's ever been on more than two episodes of the podcast, 13 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:41.079 I believe when once well we had Mark de Woodsiac on twice, I 14 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:42.480 think, but he was a guest, he was a special guest. This 15 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.959 is a guest co host, and this is Richard Hadham. To think that 16 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:53.000 I beat Mark de Widsiac at anything is amazing because He's our hero, so 17 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.319 I'm just glad to be here. He is the font of Colchack knowledge and 18 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.799 Colombo. His Lumbo book is back in print. I highly recommend it to 19 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:06.439 folks. You know, Mike, if you've gotten in touch with me earlier, 20 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.360 I could. I could have personally done some of the cool Shack voice 21 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:16.080 and you know I'd happily do the voice over. Richard likes to dress up 22 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:21.400 as Klshak for Halloween. If you follow him on Twitter, Oh jesus, 23 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.919 I know, man. I wasn't going to post those pictures. Then my 24 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:29.159 wife did it. It was like revenge porn. It's a really good costume. 25 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:31.479 You guys, you have to realize the stadness that is my life. 26 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:38.000 I bought the sear Sucker suit. I tracked down that hat. It cost 27 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.599 you know so much, I'm embarrassed to say. And then I went so 28 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:46.719 far as to find out the exact kind of tape recorder and the exact camera 29 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.479 he had to make the model. I bought those. I've got the stand 30 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:57.439 smith sneakers, I got the whole thing. The living wrong with it is 31 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.560 it's super clean, it's not dirty. It doesn't look like guy. I 32 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:02.719 just crawled through a sewer. Here here's the thing, Richard, I am 33 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:08.159 the kind of person who appreciates attention to detail, and when I built my 34 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:15.680 Ghostbusters costume, I did the exact same thing. So I one appreciate someone 35 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:21.240 who's like I gotta get everything down perfectly, screen accurate. So regardless of 36 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.319 how much money you spent, that your cold Check costume is the best one 37 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:27.319 that I've seen, because I've seen a lot on the internet, and a 38 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:32.039 lot of them are just what's the term phoning it in? Well, Chris, 39 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.000 next year, I think we need to go trigger treating together. Can 40 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.520 I be the MATCHI manteau? Well, I was thinking you could wear your 41 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:43.159 your Ghostbusters out there. I think, oh, you know, you know 42 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.719 that's true. Had there been a voiceover for this episode, it probably would 43 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:53.080 have gone like this. Most people are familiar with that old Charles Dickens saying 44 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:57.159 beauty's only skin deep. Yet how many know the rest of the quote, 45 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.960 which continues but ugly ghost the bone. And then we would have had Carl's 46 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:09.319 voiceover saying Myra Deckbar, a behavioral scientist experimenting in acoustical research, was about 47 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:14.360 to find out the hard way. April fourteenth nine PM. Doctor Deckbar was 48 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.360 on the brink of an important discovery. Her technician was on the brink two 49 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:28.120 of death Bump. This episode really speaks to something that we've been talking about 50 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:32.720 about Cole Chack since pretty much day one, which is the sexism that is 51 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:39.199 in coal Chack. It is amazing worst. Well, it's either the worst 52 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:45.120 or the best. I'm really having a hard time figuring out if Stephen Lord 53 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:50.439 was coming at this as a woke person in nineteen seventy five, or if 54 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:55.439 he just was making fun of feminism. I think you know the answer. 55 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.319 You just don't want to admit it to yourself. I think you're right. 56 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.279 Yeah, I think it's a little of bo in a weird way. There 57 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:03.839 was a lot I was wincing at in this script, but I get the 58 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:10.160 feeling that on some level they thought, hey, we're being super like edgy 59 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:16.319 and political by taking on a women's movement by making the main character one of 60 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:21.600 those lady crusader types. But she doesn't even seem like she is one of 61 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:27.279 those lady crusader types. And I like how they specify when she goes to 62 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.839 a woman's group at one point in this that it is not filled with those 63 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:39.399 typical women's livers, you know, the real man hating mannish ones. You 64 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:44.920 know what I'm talking about, right, I mean nudge, Yeah, it's 65 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:49.600 it's it's a unique group of attractive feminists, the rare bird. Indeed, 66 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:56.199 it's strange to me this, Like I read April fourteenth, and I believe 67 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:00.519 the last episode that we covered. I'm not talking about real dates, but 68 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.879 I'm talking about Colchak dates in his world. I believe the last one we 69 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:11.000 talked about was in April twentieth and twenty first, so this would have been 70 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:16.959 shortly before that. There would have been before the century happened. But um, 71 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:21.759 this was supposed to be the episode after the century. If we're supposed 72 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:26.639 to believe everything that we read. It's an interesting one because this is a 73 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.399 monster that we haven't necessarily seen quite so much. It's kind of like a 74 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.759 werewolf. I would say, isn't it just a werewolf? But with less 75 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:42.279 cotton balls on their face? Maybe triggered by sound, which I found triggered 76 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:47.600 werewolves. Oh, triggered liberal werewolves. Oh my god, you is a 77 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:54.319 woke triggered women liberal werewolf episode, folks. Colejack was ahead of its time. 78 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.319 That's right, it's Doctor Jekyll and mister Hyde, isn't it Like that's 79 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.959 that's They even like make reference to it at the end of the episode. 80 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:05.160 They do, and they refer to it as her alter ego, like like, 81 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:11.639 I don't know if they were getting at underneath her professional demeanor. She 82 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:18.519 has so much rage against the institutionalized sexism of the world that she works in 83 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:24.040 that the only way she can access it is when her alter ego comes out. 84 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:30.680 Because they do. They kind of like the victims that she attacks are 85 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:35.959 like the stereotypes of sexism in one way or another. Right, Spare me 86 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:41.040 the women's lib crap. Okay, the first one is her lab tech who 87 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.040 basically tells her to go get him some coffee. And then we've got the 88 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:51.480 vivacious starlet who I'm I'm guessing that underneath the surface, she's shooting a porn 89 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.720 film and I'm supposed to pick up on this, correct, she's a sex 90 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.480 idol. So yes, well, but is it I mean, is it 91 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.360 or is she more like Roquel Welch or you know, Lonnie Anderson, I 92 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.800 thought you was a porn star. I was picturing Raquel Welch type. But 93 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:11.839 I wasn't sure, just because this was seventy five and deep throwed to come 94 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:13.920 out. So I was like, is she supposed to be more of a 95 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:20.519 Linda Lovelace. That's what I thought because of the time period. And then 96 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:26.040 she kills the guy, Craig Temple, the producer, the playboy of Sexy 97 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:31.360 Films. Yeah, he's the producer of sexy Films. And I was picturing 98 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:37.120 when I was reading it. I was picturing Dick Gaudier playing the character he 99 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.080 played in the Werewolf episode. That would have made sense. Yeah, I'm 100 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.519 like, Oh, if he wasn't that guy, he should be this guy. 101 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:50.080 It's a really interesting coincidence. So Carl is on the case of this 102 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:56.120 murder, the initial murder that happens at the scientific facility because Myra she gets 103 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:01.879 trapped in a sound booth where they are subjecting these poor test animals to these 104 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.960 high frequency things in order to see if they can control their behavior. But 105 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:13.200 for her, it turns her into this beast where they It's very funny how 106 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:18.120 Stephen Lord, the writer describes the transformation, and he will give certain points 107 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.879 in the script where he's like, Okay, this is stage one and she's 108 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.840 got really thick, bushy eyebrows. And now this is stage two over here. 109 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.840 So now we've seen stage one, so make it look like this plus 110 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.480 stage two. And she gets all the way up to stage four before she 111 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:39.279 ends up being dispatched. Yeah, so she ends up being transformed in this 112 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:45.279 state too. Yeah, as you said, very much a mister Hyde character 113 00:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.519 or mis hide in this case. And she even says it. She even 114 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:54.480 says miss high and then she dispatches of these people hang a lantern on it. 115 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.759 You know, I wonder if, and maybe I'm giving more credit than 116 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:03.440 his due, but I would if at this point in production there was an 117 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.200 attempt on the page to sort of say, okay, now, now every 118 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.039 time there's an attack, don't don't freak out, studio. Don't think that 119 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:18.200 we're we're going to need full makeup in six different scenes. This one is 120 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.759 just stage one. It should be fairly easy, fairly cheap, and then 121 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.720 we're going to build up to the full makeup that we will only highlight in 122 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:31.600 one scene. Because I mean, I've had to do things like that sometimes 123 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.559 in scripts, where you really have to indicate Okay, I know you're picturing 124 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:41.000 something super expensive, but this isn't right now, it's just this other thing. 125 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.559 So maybe they were doing that. I know that all they ever talked 126 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.320 about is how expensive this show was to make, and maybe that was them 127 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.240 trying to be responsible. I mean, it would make sense it being this 128 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.440 late in the show, that that's what they're going for, and they've kind 129 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:00.440 of done it in some of the other episodes where they've shown like into of 130 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.080 it and then finally shown it at the end. I mean, that's kind 131 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.600 of feels kind of stock and trade at this point for the show to be 132 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:11.559 perfectly honest, Yeah, if they even show it at all, did you 133 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.000 guys think that she was turning into a guinea pig monster? Like somehow there 134 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:18.759 was like a transfer of something. I think that would have been a lot 135 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:24.039 more interesting than what we got, which was just a bushy monster in a 136 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.519 pant suit, which I mean, I would have loved to have seen that 137 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.360 just for the comical nature of it. The way that they describe it in 138 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.039 the script, it's like it's a it's a bushy creature in a pant suit 139 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.960 and high heels, Like, what the fuck is going on? Like Coleshack 140 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:45.039 is just given up completely on trying to be serious apparently that gives that gives 141 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.759 Coleshack a lot of opportunities to go. I don't know. Maybe he's some 142 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:54.879 weird cross dressing weirdough that's aged really well, hasn't it cross dressing weirdo? 143 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.320 How many times they say that in the script is one time more than enough 144 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.519 because they say it like four times. I'm glad that they have a character. 145 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.399 And here that is a masher. I haven't heard that term in a 146 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.159 long time. I was amazing. And of course he had to be punished 147 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.919 because he's a masher, so he got his come uppance when the crazed female 148 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.440 monster killed him. I don't even know what a masher is. Basically, 149 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.120 it's a perv, okay, it's just a guy who's like always on the 150 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:30.679 hunt, really sleazy. So yeah, that did Gautier type character again from 151 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.639 the Werewolf episode. I mean, that's kind of what I figured because it 152 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:39.360 was more or less heavily implied. I kept thinking of her looking more like 153 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:43.840 that little guy from Altered States that William Hurt turns into. I get it 154 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.879 now. I want to go back and watch Altered States. Maybe I should 155 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.480 watch Altered States for the first time. It's a good one Chris, Oh 156 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.799 dude, oh you should, Oh for sure you should do that one on 157 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:58.360 your thing. Yeah, with that podcast thing, you do that podcast thing 158 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.320 that I do. What is Tom hank movie else? I'll tell you what 159 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.759 though, if we're talking about this at the script being in line with things 160 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:11.720 we've already read and or watched, its very close. It doesn't break the 161 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:18.159 mold. It doesn't do anything remotely interesting or different. The only thing in 162 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.679 my mind that it does kind of different is it actually gives col Chack like 163 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:24.200 a love interest at the end. Well okay, but but but here's the 164 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.960 thing. Would I would give anything if if that were like I would lean 165 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.879 into that because what Gwynneth, the model who lives next door to Myra, 166 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.840 she's just sort of like at the end, of course, I could literally 167 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:46.399 dragging her around because she's so terrified. I guess she can't control her motor 168 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.879 functions or something. And then at the end she's kind of sitting there. 169 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.759 But like, wouldn't have been cooler if like, somewhere two thirds of the 170 00:13:54.759 --> 00:14:01.879 way through they cross paths and started like team up and figuring things out, 171 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.559 and she could have done a couple of cool things at the end and then 172 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.279 when they walked off at the end, it wouldn't feel just sort of like 173 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:13.480 the when when Cole Sex says I know what rings my bell? It was 174 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.240 just sort of like, oh boy, well that also again just really kind 175 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.840 of for me rings tone death and like kind of not cringe worthy, but 176 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.639 it has an age. Well it's like, I know what rings my bell? 177 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.840 It's like, oh man, nothing happens down at my feet? Oh 178 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.600 god, Oh yeah, that's oh Jesus, that's oh my god. That's 179 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.440 right. There's that line too. No, don't forget that line. How 180 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.080 could I oh wait, which what the nothing happens at my feet? The 181 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.840 porn starlet type lady. Yeah, yeah, I'll have been your feet. 182 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:52.519 Yeah, nothing happens down there. Well, you know, in the first 183 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.440 in the first Call Shag movie, where he actually has a girlfriend, it's 184 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.320 heavily implied, or maybe it's even stated out right that she's a prostitute and 185 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.080 you know, he's dating her, and it's not like they've got the most 186 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:09.759 evolved relationship in the world, but it's clear they have a relationship. They 187 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.759 like each other, he confides in her, she helps him out. You 188 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.279 know, there's they're on somewhat equal footing because she's kind of on the outside 189 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.399 because she's prostitute and he's kind of, you know that down on his luck 190 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:28.559 reporters, so they almost share the same like social strata. Like like, 191 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.720 if they just could have gone a little more in that direction, this could 192 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:37.600 have been really fun. Well even had it been you know, I'm trying 193 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.559 to remember the name of that character that was on quite a few episodes that 194 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:43.879 ended up fitting murdered. I think it might have been on the Ripper episode 195 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:50.159 where she had some agency and actually was going to be helping out Cole Chack 196 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.480 and don't she gets murdered. I was like, oh, well, that 197 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.360 would have been good had you actually had someone there to help you with this 198 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.320 stuff, right, yeah, Jane Plump, Yeah, that one. Yeah. 199 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.279 They seem to really just kind of miss the mark a couple of times 200 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.360 with these female characters. I mean, look, like we mentioned, it's 201 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.679 nineteen seventy five. That's not surprising, but they're not availing themselves to even 202 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.960 try. But it does make you wonder if they were, if they sort 203 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.960 of would have naturally just found their way to Okay, we need to give 204 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:27.159 him a character, a person who can talk to somebody that can sort of 205 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.480 be on his side a little bit, you know, outside of the newsroom. 206 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:37.159 I wonder if they given a second season, would have just stumbled upon 207 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.919 that and it would have happened, and there would have been a you know, 208 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.720 a female co star under the age of eighty five, And I would 209 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.840 like to believe that they kind of would have have to have. We should 210 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:51.200 probably talk about the role that Vincenzo and Updike, and I don't think poor 211 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.879 miss Emily even gets a mention in this one does show? Don't you mean 212 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:03.519 uptight? Oh that joke, Scot Oh good lord, Cole Chack, your 213 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:08.440 one note joke, over and over an episode and over again. Well, 214 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:15.880 Vincenzo does come in to tell Cole Shack to go cover Veronica Mason. Why 215 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.880 does you go get interested in sex, Cole Shack? You know, I 216 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:23.160 mean, didn't that pretty much his approach? Come on, call Shack even 217 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:29.599 you could get aroused by this woman. You've sex lists. What if he 218 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:36.440 implant you eunick? Yeah, and then yeah, like anyone who's been who's 219 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:41.079 over puberty or something, she gives hush slashes every male over puberty. And 220 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.039 that's when Cole Shack says he skipped puberty, which I mean, you know, 221 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.839 clearly Darren McGavin was born that way out of the womb. So so 222 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.319 are you saying that Cole Chack was an end cell? I mean in another 223 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.359 is it in this episode where he implies that he has bald women all over 224 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.319 town who love him? Yeah, hey, man, I got chicks all 225 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.599 over town pulling their hair out over me. But who cares about those ball 226 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.359 headed broads? Yikes, cold Jack, big yikes. Yeah, I think 227 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:12.400 it back. Miss Emily is in this one when they're talking about the nineteen 228 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:18.519 thirties and what a better time it was. I don't know exactly how they 229 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.279 get into that whole thing, but yeah, it's definitely there. What was 230 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:27.359 going to distinguish this episode that it had a political angle to it, but 231 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:36.880 man, it's handled so clunkily. You don't really get the sense that anyone 232 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:41.240 in the show like comes around on it, like Cole Shock doesn't go, 233 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.279 oh wait a second, I get it. The people who are getting killed 234 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:53.359 are people who are assholes. Oh and they're assholes because of their attitudes towards 235 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:57.720 sex roles. So maybe we need to start thinking about that. I mean, 236 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:02.839 there's no there's nothing like that at all. Like in the Rock Shasa 237 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.480 episode, at least he was sort of like, Hey, you know, 238 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.160 this is really sad because there's a monster preying on old people, and old 239 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.359 people are a problem that society has to deal with and no one cares about 240 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.160 them, and I'm the only one who cares that they're being killed. So 241 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:23.079 it was like like one step closer to like integrating whatever the point of the 242 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:29.000 episode was. Here he never quite gets there. I don't know this episode, 243 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:30.799 it just kind of peters out as well. It goes exactly how we 244 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:37.200 think that it would go, pretty much other than Myra actually getting a tape 245 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.759 recorder and recording herself and then that's kind of her confession. I don't think 246 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:45.200 he necessarily would have put two and two together and figured everything out unless it 247 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.400 had been for that confession. He goes in and he's like, Myra, 248 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.599 there's a man snuck into your lab that night. It's like, no, 249 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:57.279 no wrong answer, cole check, how are you so wrong? Do you 250 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:02.160 know? What really confused me is that one of her bosses, who's a 251 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:06.079 total dick to her, has a female name as a female last name. 252 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:08.119 And I was just like what is this. I'm so glad I wasn't the 253 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.880 other one. I was the only one. I was like, what, 254 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.640 kim Oh, it's a guy with the last name. I mean, just 255 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.960 wait until the next episode when one of the characters has the name of People's. 256 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:22.119 And if you put the character with the name of People's in your script, 257 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.559 you deserve to be a fucking smacked up side then, because it is 258 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.160 such a bizarre name choice, Like you had all these names and you went 259 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:36.039 with People's. Really, all it makes me think of is the Al Franken 260 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:40.839 vote recount where they're talking about lizard People's and can lizard People's be called an 261 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:44.000 actual person's name? And they go, well, people can have the last 262 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.279 name of People's. Yeah, they sure can. There you go here, 263 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.079 God, So I think we should talk about that episode, don't you. 264 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:10.839 There would be narration, But it's actually I guess it's it's just in script 265 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.319 form. It's missing pages. It looks like, but there is narration at 266 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.759 the beginning. And since you did this one, I'll do this one. 267 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.880 That was the scene in Winship County, West Virginia labor trouble in the minds, 268 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:26.440 wasn't breeding nobility on either side, tempers were worn to the breaking point. 269 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.559 It was ugly, but what was moving into Winship County would make the 270 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:37.960 strike seem like a wedding party. But wait, did you notice that Coleshack 271 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.200 looks into the camera. Are they saying that he addresses the audience? Is 272 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.319 just another breaking the fourth wall moments kind of what it felt like? Yeah, 273 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.559 well he did that at the end of which episode? Was it The 274 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:55.000 Century? Yes? I think so, yeah, because that's the one or 275 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.799 the Youth Killer. Well, it was whichever one where the script actually had 276 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.839 him start off in a mental institution. Oh that was Nightly Murders. Nightly 277 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.599 Murders, thank you. Yeah, that wasn't one that we watched. That 278 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.640 was one that we read. Oh that's right. They changed it for the 279 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.759 for the thing because they didn't actually have him in the Looney Ben, right 280 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:18.839 they Yeah, that wasn't the ending, which, again, bummer because Eve 281 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:22.960 of Terror looks like, you know, Citizen Kane compared to this episode. 282 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:30.279 This episode is atrocious. I don't know, I kind of enjoyed it. 283 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.319 I liked it too, Chris, I actually like it better than Eive of 284 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:38.160 Terror. Just don't tell me you liked it better. Than the Executioners, 285 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:44.359 because I like the Executioners a lot more than I like this one. It's 286 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:49.519 colcheck on tour. He's down in West Virginia, and it is this whole 287 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.839 story that's supposed to be about to strike, but then these strange people move 288 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:59.920 into town, the bunch of Hillbillies pretty much, and then some murders start 289 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.559 happening, and they think that it's all because of the strike. And I 290 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:08.279 kept being reminded of Home. I kept being reminded of that X Files episode, 291 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.759 because there's this whole thing with the family and you don't know exactly what's 292 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:17.640 going on, and one of the brothers is completely deformed. We never really 293 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:22.960 get a good look at him. Then there's the mother character, who it 294 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.640 feels like she's making him worse because she keeps doing the Lord's work. She'll 295 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:33.759 pray and people will almost come back from the dead or they'll be calmed or 296 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.240 whatever. And when she does that, then the brother acts out wherever he's 297 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.680 at and will break out of his cage or go on a rampage. So 298 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:47.640 it feels like there's this weird connection between the two of them that the better 299 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:51.680 she is, the worse he gets. It's almost got like a Twilight Zone 300 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:56.720 feeling to it. It struck me as interesting that Cole Shack was sort of 301 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:02.960 involved in a supernatural story. Like it wasn't just oh, there's a monster, 302 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:07.720 but there was, but there was another character who had a supernatural ability 303 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:11.359 that he witnessed, which like doesn't happen in this show, Like he doesn't 304 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:18.319 go to psychics. There is no greater supernatural sort of matrix on the night 305 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.759 stock or other than whatever that particular monster is. So he's interacting with his 306 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:29.319 family that's got this weird yin and yang that's always battling itself, you know, 307 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.240 I thought was really interesting. This reminded me a lot of the Devil's 308 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:38.480 Platform. They have touched on this satanic stuff once before. I don't think 309 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.880 it worked very well now compared to the last one. But to be fair, 310 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.799 the last one was hilarious because Tom Scarrett turned into a dog at the 311 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:51.480 end. I still wonder who ended up with that dog roaming the universe as 312 00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.839 the Tom Scarrett dog. That, in and of itself, I would watch 313 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:57.480 that show. But I'll tell you what again, this episode, like last 314 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:03.440 one pretty much and trade what we've been seeing with Colchack. It doesn't do 315 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.200 anything particularly different. I mean, to your point, Richard, it maybe 316 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:12.359 maybe kind of bends the formula a little bit, but it doesn't really change 317 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:18.319 the formula. It looked like in this one, the police chief, the 318 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.480 sheriff of the town was actually like a reasonable person and human. Colchack seemed 319 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:26.359 to sort of get along or at least have an understanding at the beginning, 320 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.000 but then it devolved into the typical you know, get out of here, 321 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:37.799 get away from me, you're crazy, which is really really exhausting. Yeah, 322 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.960 at least this time he didn't have an ulcer that kept acting up every 323 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.960 single time Colchack was around. Hey, how weird was that in the last 324 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:52.039 one that felt just like the Keenan Wind character the Joe mad Dog's system, 325 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.480 almost identical to a point to a fault. It wasn't even original. They 326 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:57.799 were trying it was weird. They were trying to play it off as original 327 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:02.720 and just like you do know you've done this before, right, I mean, 328 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:07.319 if you're going to have this traveling cast of police captains that are always 329 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.200 blowing their top, you're going to get some real similar characters pretty soon, 330 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.160 I guess. But then they should just use the same character exactly. And 331 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.640 they had mad Dog at least twice, so go ahead, give him a 332 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.960 third one. Keena Winn could use the money. You can't just your voice 333 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:27.680 over him claimation Christmas right, he's not only the Winter Wizard. Nice, 334 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:32.200 Oh, very good, very good. It could be wrong. It could 335 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.039 be the Winter Warlock. I'm not sure, but he's not old Chris Kringle. 336 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.200 He's not the King of jingle Linge. No, that's the next podcast, 337 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:45.160 you guys. That's all the Rank and Bass shows and specials. I 338 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.720 think I'm like the only person on the planet who doesn't like those, So 339 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.359 do you and me? Richard our new show. Sorry Chris, Richard and 340 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:57.799 Mike taking on Ranking and Bass. We could get ourselves claimated. It would 341 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:03.000 bet as ranking on this guy right here. Now, it's a thing. 342 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.240 You have wield it into existence, and this is your fault. Now, 343 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.599 So I don't think we necessarily get a good look at the creature in this 344 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:14.839 one. And I want to say that at one point they describe him as 345 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.799 being non symmetrical, which I think is I was super terrifying if somebody isn't 346 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:26.960 symmetrical, because there's a comic book adaptation of this, We're basically the character 347 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.640 just looks like a hot werewolf, and I'm like, what are you doing? 348 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:36.799 Why is he a hot werewolf as opposed to this monstrous, shambling, 349 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.279 crazy beasts that I kept picturing as being like the thing behind the door in 350 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.319 the brain that wouldn't die or something, you know, something that can really 351 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.200 terrify you, as opposed to like, I don't know, he looked like 352 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.039 he had tried out for Scooby Doo, and they're like, no, no, 353 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.480 we need something scarier. Are all werewolves not hot? Well, some 354 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.720 of them are a little bit more hulking, but this guy just look like 355 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:06.920 a dashing werewolf. And again I kept thinking that he would maybe look worse 356 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.480 or get worse, or be bigger or something being fed by when Mama goes 357 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.720 out and does some good, then he ends up being worse. I just 358 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.200 think of holking werewolves. They have more arms and strength to hold you with. 359 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.000 That's what I think about. I'd bet you say that to all the 360 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:29.680 boys. I think the game we have to play is based on what we've 361 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:36.319 seen of the creatures in the first twenty We have to assume that is the 362 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.960 level of creature we're going to see in these, which means he won't even 363 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.480 look as good as a hot werewolf. He's going to look like a guy 364 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.079 with some He's probably going to look like the werewolf we saw in the Werewolf 365 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:56.039 episode. He's he's gonna it's gonna be a dude running and looking like a 366 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.920 hairy ape wolf or something. Is it not weird that they have too were 367 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.400 Wolf episodes back to back. You're considering Eve of Terror to be that? 368 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.960 I mean Eve of Terror is a werewolf esque creature esque. Yeah, yeah, 369 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.480 I mean it's a big, bushy creature in a pant suit. I'm 370 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.599 just focusing on the pants, a mint green pant suit too. I'm going 371 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:25.279 to try to defend the difference of the monsters conceptually, but again I just 372 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.000 said, we have to imagine it's going to be pretty much the kind of 373 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:32.079 thing we've seen. So I don't know how they would have differentiated these two 374 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:40.160 creatures, but I have to imagine the end result would have been disappointing unfortunately. 375 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.039 I mean, I think the real thing about this one is is this 376 00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.480 one isn't seen in daylight as much as the other one is, and so 377 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.400 they would have kept this one off screen as much as possible and then shown 378 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.880 it to you right at the end. And that's the big difference between this 379 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.839 episode and Eve of Terror is that in Eve of Terror, you see the 380 00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.880 monster a lot. In this you're seeing just glimpse is the monster in a 381 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:04.440 bush or hiding outside of a door, or busting through a door, and 382 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:10.200 then you see it right at the end, still probably obscured by darkness in 383 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.880 the minds. If you had five million dollars to make this episode and five 384 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:22.400 million dollars to make Eve of Terror, I think this episode would be much 385 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.240 much better. Like I think what I don't like about Eve of Terror is 386 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:27.880 on the page, and no amount of money is going to make me like 387 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:32.960 it any better. But but if you if you threw a ton of money 388 00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.680 and made and went out somewhere that didn't look like Los Angeles, which is 389 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.279 where they filmed it, and you really made it look like some weird mining 390 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.119 town, and you went in the mines and you really had a good monster, 391 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.680 and you could actually put some production value into it, I think this 392 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:53.119 has more potential to be an interesting episode. I would agree. I want 393 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.440 to talk about the title real quick, because we don't necessarily understand what the 394 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:02.160 title means. Well, I still don't know what the title means. But 395 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.160 we don't know who Belisle is until right at the end of this thing, 396 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:15.440 when the mother says that it was Belile's way of tempting tempting me, and 397 00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.960 then Colchak has to say Belile the devil, and then she says, yes, 398 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.440 Sonny was a beautiful child. Then the changes began. I was healing 399 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:29.880 the sick as my God commanded. And that's pretty much it. Like they 400 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.680 talk a little bit more about Belisle, but I still don't necessarily get the 401 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:41.319 get The definition forget is an offspring or the total of the offspring, especially 402 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:47.640 of a male animal. So yeah, it's like a really I wouldn't say 403 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.880 like obscure, but it is a very antiquated term that nobody uses anymore. 404 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.319 Well, thank you for finding that. Yeah, I mean it's on dictionary 405 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.079 dot com. I mean it's that's the weird thing. Like I'd never heard 406 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.039 it either, and I looked it up and I was like, I've never 407 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:07.240 even heard anyone use that until today, all right, Like why thank you 408 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:13.160 for going in the most obscure direction with the word possible that's the coolest conceptual 409 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:19.440 part of the whole episode that this demon sort of went to this woman who 410 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.559 already had this power that's associated with God and said, Okay, well, 411 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:28.480 I'm going to fuck with your kid, and all you have to do is 412 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:34.319 stop serving God he he he, and you can educate back. And then 413 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:38.319 she makes the decision where she says in that same little chunk of dialogue, 414 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:42.799 I had to believe that God is more powerful, you know, than the 415 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.319 devil. Basically, I had to believe that God was stronger than the devil. 416 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.440 So she's like, I'm just going to keep on doing what I'm doing 417 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:54.880 and trust that God will solve this problem with Balile. So get. By 418 00:32:54.920 --> 00:33:00.599 the way, get comes from be Get, So that's where that comes from. 419 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:07.720 Oh, very Deuteronomy esque, Thanks Colchack. It's fun and educational and 420 00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:14.079 knowing is half the battle. Plus they're in Appalachia, you know, it's 421 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:19.720 they're in that area where you know, it's kind of Bible, and I 422 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.519 guess in a strange way, the Lord does help out by sending Colchack in 423 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:31.519 order to pretty much murder the kid. Accidentally, Colchack God's child murderer. 424 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:37.039 I know he trips over colchack and fallows down a pit that's a mile long, 425 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.200 just like the Eve of Terror. She falls off the building after he 426 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.599 throws the TV antenna that's like an octopus. Somehow, for some reason, 427 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:52.319 somehow, what they call this parallel thinking, she ends up transforming back into 428 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:58.359 who she was, and Sonny he ends up transforming back into hisself. And 429 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.759 so, yeah, two weeks in a row, that would have been a 430 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.519 little much. Should we assume that they were going to be aired back to 431 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.199 back? I guess no, But the way that we're reading them, they 432 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:12.199 are labeled twenty one and twenty two. So I am very acused because I 433 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.800 didn't see a date like how I was saying. The other one takes place 434 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.920 April fourteenth. I don't remember there being a date in colchack Land for this 435 00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:27.000 one. Coleschack Land dates never make any sense. But on the script, 436 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.719 yeah, Get of Bealile is January third, nineteen seventy five, and then 437 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:36.559 Eve of Terror is dated March third, nineteen seventy five, So they were 438 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.519 three months apart in terms of drafts, I guess. And then from what 439 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.519 I understand, it sounds like the Executioners, which is the last coal Chack 440 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:51.719 script that was written but not produced. Sounds like that one. Seems like 441 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.599 it was written a lot earlier than these two and it just kind of fell 442 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.320 out of favor or something. What we have to go off is barely a 443 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.880 script. It is like someone filling in the blanks of a script. It's 444 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:10.840 half baked, kind of like kind of like Mike's dinner right now. Three 445 00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:25.000 quarters baked, folks, three quarters baked. So the intro to this episode 446 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.800 would have been I'm still having nightmares even though I know it's over, Fani 447 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.119 kaput. Luckily, I managed to keep my head while all around me were 448 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.159 losing theirs if you're pardon my little touch of the poetic, losing their heads 449 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:43.320 or getting hung or poisoned, one of the three. If you were in 450 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.199 Chicago this past August, there we go August, you know what I mean. 451 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:52.000 So yeah, them placing this at August definitely places at much more in 452 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.519 the first batch of shows than all the way here. At the end of 453 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.320 it, and Colcheck is getting hung apparently they said it was long, and 454 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.679 it was right. Boy, what a weird choice of words. He's getting 455 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.800 hung. Folks are gay. But I'll tell you what this cold check in 456 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.599 this episode. He's very very very very very much closer to the cold check 457 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.960 from the movies than the cold check of the TV show. I would tend 458 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.719 to agree with you on that. Yeah, I mean he's drinking. He's 459 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.239 I mean they mentioned in this kind of synopsis we're reading from this like defunked 460 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:30.639 Geocity's website, that he's like drinking alcohol and he has sex with like a 461 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.920 student who's much younger than he is. So yeah, it's like I felt, 462 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.880 it was very much shades of like coal check of old, which if 463 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:43.599 you've been listening to us this entire time, you will know that I missed 464 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.000 that cold check because the tone of the show, in my mind, always 465 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:52.079 kind of let the character down, because he could have been so much more 466 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.000 hard boiled than he ended up being. Yeah, and the character Beatrice that 467 00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:59.960 he hangs around with the art student, she's an actual character. She actually 468 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.000 portends in the story, she has a voice. They seem to like each 469 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.719 other. It's actually a weirdly appealing relationship. Yeah. I was reminded a 470 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:15.320 little bit of the reporter that he was kind of flirting with but also tormenting 471 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:22.400 in Demon and Lace. Its almost say girl Monique Marvel Stained Dog One Love 472 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:28.719 Monique marvels r P. Monique. God, she's the best character in the 473 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.519 show. She was fantastic. I think it was Rosalind Winters might have been 474 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.199 her name. She worked as a reporter at the college where all those murders 475 00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:43.039 were taking place. Because this one is an art student who knows a lot 476 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.639 of stuff about art. I am very impressed with her knowledge, especially when 477 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:52.679 she starts talking about very obscure Dutch painters, right, and the theory of 478 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.800 dynamic symmetry. And I like how she's like, that sounds good, right, 479 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.840 put that in the story. I mean, I like a female character 480 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.960 that actually has him put back on Coljack. That's true. Yeah, any 481 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:07.320 woman who can actually hold her own in a Colchack world, that's great. 482 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:13.559 And we're not just talking Gabrielle Union holding her own, because that's like formulae 483 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.880 holding her own. Like in this you genuinely can tell that the character of 484 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.480 Beatrice is like actually holding her own against Coljack. That's like ratting out Jay 485 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:30.079 Leno for being an asshole holding her own. Shocking, shocking. Jay Leno 486 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:35.480 makes off color jokes that are offensive in other news The sky is blue and 487 00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.039 water is wet. This one, it was interesting to read this right after 488 00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:45.360 having read Eve of Terror, because there's that same thing where Tony is immediately 489 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.679 trying to get Karl off of the story, and rather than saying go cover 490 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.719 this starlet who's coming to town, he gives him the choice of writing obits 491 00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:00.400 art or about the ballet. And then, just like how Colcha kind of 492 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.079 lucked into being at the right place at the right time when it came to 493 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:09.000 Myrna being at the hotel where this starlett was, this is the same thing. 494 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:13.360 He ends up going to this art place and that's where the painting is, 495 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.440 and that's where the whole crux of this episode is, which for people 496 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:24.519 listening at home, there is a painting of these executioners, and they sounds 497 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:30.519 like they keep coming out of the painting and hanging, poisoning or beheading people, 498 00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.800 and that always happens in threes, and then it sounds like this has 499 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.960 been happening for a long time. It's kind of one of those Victor Toomb 500 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:45.960 type things where there's a pattern in history. Jeepers. Creepers asked every twenty 501 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.960 three years, Boy, that's such a it's such an easy trope to go 502 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.159 back to. But you know what, I'm not gonna lie to you, 503 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.679 guys. I kind of like it, Like I kind of always give it 504 00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.760 a pass as long as it's mildly entertaining. Well, if there was just 505 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.880 like slightly more of a reason, like like in this version of this draft 506 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.760 that ad Middly I guess is not a final draft. It's happening for no 507 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.440 reason. I mean, you know, God forbid, I bring up the 508 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:15.840 Nightly Murders. But at least the night was killing people who are trying to 509 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:21.599 turn his museum into a discotheque. Now there's a solid motivation these guys. 510 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.480 I don't know. It's interesting though, that you bring that up, because 511 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:31.320 with this episode there's the red herring of the person who had gotten the painting, 512 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.920 even though we find out later that it actually was like a distant relative 513 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:42.039 of infinite right. It's what he says, which is interesting because it was 514 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.800 kind of like the character and the Nightly Murders, where we're like, oh, 515 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:50.320 well, he probably summoned this creature or this night because he's so protective 516 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.519 of his museum, whereas this one, it's like, Okay, why did 517 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.559 you hang this painting what are you doing? But there is a connection between 518 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.760 the two. But he ends up being murdered, so it's not like he 519 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.880 had anything to do with it. He is Vego, That's what I'm not. 520 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.400 And I'm not a Ghostbusters too. It's like and then the ink blob 521 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.199 was falling off of the thing. It's like, oh my god, this 522 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:16.039 is Ghostbusters two, twenty year fifteen, sixteen years before the movie even came 523 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:21.239 out. Oh Lord, didn't seem like like in the Night We Murders, 524 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:27.159 hand Conried was upset at all those people too, So there seemed to be 525 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:34.639 an emotional like there's no it's not like the enemies of the museum curator are 526 00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.480 the ones being killed. It's just it appears to be, at least in 527 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.519 this draft, for random people. And by the way, a lot of 528 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.760 random people. I mean it's like this is the third or fourth triple murder 529 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.440 this week. That's like a dozen people, and that's a lot of dead 530 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.199 bodies in a week. And the cops are like, oh, these aren't 531 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.800 connected at all. They all just happen to die the same way. Like, 532 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.480 my god, the cops, the cops in Colchak Universe in this episode 533 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.920 are the most inept that we've seen. The courageous police officers of Chicago, 534 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.800 and I know some of them, and they're the most incredible people. He 535 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:17.800 could solve this problem quickly. Afghanistan is a safe place by comparison. It's 536 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:23.480 true. There's a war on our streets and there's three painting globs that are 537 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.760 starting at all. It's pretty it's pretty whack, let's put it that way. 538 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.400 In the middle of the episode, there's this really weird thing I can't 539 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:37.079 figure out about some old gangster, an Italian guy who has any gun. 540 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:43.039 What the hell was that? Yes, no fucking clue, what the hell 541 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.320 it was about? Either that I literally figure it out, like it wasn't 542 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.360 that. Oh, I get it, but I don't like it. I 543 00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.159 literally I read it four times and I'm like, I don't understand the words 544 00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:58.760 that are coming out of his mouth. What is that? And in this 545 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:01.480 little synopsis that we have here, they just like gloss over it, They're 546 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.119 like, oh, no, whatever, Like, good job if you're the 547 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.559 ones relaying this information to us, because maybe you have more of this on 548 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:14.559 hand than we do. Could you fucking explain this? Because this is completely 549 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.800 bizarre. It's a guy with a Tommy guns just shooting at cold check, 550 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.480 like like literally out of nowhere, shooting at cold check. Oh, don't 551 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.960 forget one of my favorite things that the script has too, which is just 552 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.679 you know, some homophobia just thrown in there for good measure. Oh, 553 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.719 the swissy window dresser. I imagine he would have been played to the hilt 554 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.719 up Tike would look like Burt Reynolds. I mean, as much as I 555 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.360 like this, this is a working draft. This is not a final screenplay. 556 00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.400 This is I mean, Richard, you're a screenwriter, so you know, 557 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.840 I mean, like this is pretty far from something that anyone would be 558 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.559 like, yeah, let's shoot this like this needs this seeds a couple more 559 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.880 takeovers with the fucking comb Like you got to colmb this down a lot, 560 00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.519 like a lot, a lot, you know. I sort of I fell 561 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.199 down a rabbit hole and I was reading this and clicked on a few things 562 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.760 and came up with a tape to interview with David Chase. Have you guys 563 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.880 seen that one where he actually talks a little bit about working on The Night 564 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:17.480 Stalker very brief. Yeah, it's like just a real brief time, right, 565 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.440 Yeah, he doesn't go into a ton of detail. I mean, 566 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.639 I know would have wanted, you know, ten hours, but but he 567 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.679 does sort of say, you know, they don't all unlike the way TV 568 00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.719 shows are written now for the most part, where everyone is in a room, 569 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.280 everyone is collaborating, everyone knows what's going on with everybody else's script. 570 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:45.480 It sounds like it was it was David Chase working with Michael Kosl a lot, 571 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.320 just sort of the two of them writing stuff, and then other people 572 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.519 sort of on their own doing their own thing, and then more and more 573 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.719 of the scripts would get handed over to David Chase to sort of like, 574 00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:01.440 Okay, here this one is is fifty percent of the way there, get 575 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:06.119 it right, shooting it next, and so then he would do he would 576 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:09.960 do the next path. So I don't know if that's maybe that is what 577 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:15.119 would have been the process with this had had gone forward, probably would have 578 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.920 been the same thing with Get a Balisle and Eve of Terror. It probably 579 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.800 would have gotten to David Chase, go through and to make it whatever it 580 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:29.199 was finally going to be. I find it interesting that Max Hodge allegedly worked 581 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:35.440 on the night Stalker movie, at least according to the Font of All Knowledge, 582 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:42.119 which is the IMDb, which has to be believed because it IMDb. 583 00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:47.039 You are all knowing praise me, do IMDb? It is the mother Father 584 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.599 bought. Yes, it would kind of make sense, especially if this was 585 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:57.320 more in line with that earlier Cole Check. I wouldn't be surprised if they 586 00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.239 said, hey, bring this guy back and have him write an episode out 587 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.800 I mean the Tones track, I mean original Night Stalker does have Colchack straight 588 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.480 up murdering a dude, which is still my favorite thing. And by the 589 00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:14.519 way, in in that parody comic, they go after that bit, which 590 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.920 I was so thankful for. They go after that bit of Colchack just murdering 591 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.760 a guy in broad daylight because Marvel, Yes, that Marvel parodied col Chack 592 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:30.280 folks so well. Not only did they parody Colchack like outright as what was 593 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.880 his name, Cole Stack, Cole Shaft, Cole Shaft, thank you, 594 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.480 but he also showed up in an episode of Tomb of Dracula, but not 595 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.880 as Colchack. He was another dude who looked exactly like Colchack, and I 596 00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.639 was like, what are you doing? So that was good that they brought 597 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.119 him into to Medracula. So that he could hunt down Dracula in that So 598 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.840 are we being led to believe that the biggest revelation of the Colchack Tapes podcast 599 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.920 is that Colchack is part of the MCU. Oh wow? Am I wrong 600 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:09.039 to say that he could be out there? Kevin Figy call Us. I 601 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:15.840 always find it interesting how the comics would try to I mean, I know 602 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:22.440 that EC and Mad. You know that they eventually the EC turns into DC. 603 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.360 But it was always strange to me that Marvel was always trying to eat 604 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.480 their lunch a little bit, and they would have things like this OG comic 605 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:38.000 or Crazy Magazine where they were again trying to do the mad stuff. And 606 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:42.760 that's where, if memory serves, I can't remember exactly the story, but 607 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.159 I remember reading Crazy and they're always being a Howard the Duck story in there, 608 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.599 and I never understood, like, is this supposed to be funny or 609 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.039 is this serious? I never could put my finger on what Howard the Duck 610 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:57.679 was until the movie came out, which just solved everything for me and gave 611 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.599 me the full origin story. Thank goodness for that. Oh my god, 612 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:06.920 Howard the Duck is one thing, and one thing only duck erotica, inter 613 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.360 species erotica, my man duck titties, and Leiah Thompson wanting to have sex 614 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.280 with a duck. But I don't know if that's not what you're into, 615 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.079 I don't want to be a friend. And all seriousness, back to what 616 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.480 you're saying about Marvel, it is weird that they're like, really just being 617 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:32.000 kind of aggressively parody concerned, right, because DC doesn't do that. When 618 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:35.920 did all that? When was the Marvel stuff? When when did back stuff 619 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:42.719 happen? Well, the Tomb of Dracula one was nineteen seventy six, and 620 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.639 I can't remember when the Argue comic was you have that one up in front 621 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:54.679 of you, Chris, July fourth, seventy five. That was gonna be 622 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:58.280 my guess. So yeah, it was at seventy five. So it's the 623 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.960 year that Colcheck is off the air, right right, Yeah, So it 624 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.880 would have just been right after they went off the air, because that would 625 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:09.239 have been what March twenty second, I think might have been the last episode. 626 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:14.480 Yeah, So there you go. I mean, you've got a cold 627 00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.119 Check comic parroting it, and it's like, oh boy, you're parenting a 628 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:21.880 show that's been canceled. Maybe they were acknowledging that the character, like it 629 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.079 was sort of a tribute to that character. Clearly, even at that stage, 630 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:28.360 they were like, this is a character that if we parody it, 631 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.840 people will know what we're doing. And oh, I mean we appreciate it. 632 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:37.199 I guess they have Vincenzo in there and everything, and Vincenzo is his 633 00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:43.079 character's name is Vinagretto, right, pretty great, And then it turns out 634 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:47.320 at the end of Vincenzo is a monster the whole time, which, honestly, 635 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.360 if you think about it, and the fact that colcheck stuff never gets 636 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.840 printed and sometimes he has proof, that's kind of the only explanation that makes 637 00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:00.159 sense. I'm so surprised that they didn't get well, I guess it's under 638 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:06.079 parody law because they drew Darren McGavin to look really like Darren mcgavan there, 639 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:08.440 Oh, yes, no fooling that. The first time we see a close 640 00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:14.119 up of him, he looks exactly like him as the night Gawker. All 641 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.960 the things that we read for this episode. That was my favorite because it 642 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:23.400 was poking fun at it, but also like very much doing deep cut stuff 643 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:27.840 from the show. It's not just like, oh, let's make fun of 644 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.920 Batman. You know, everybody knows Batman's parents died, so that's an easy 645 00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.400 thing to make fun of. It's like, no, but did you know 646 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.119 X Y Z other things about Batman that are like deep cut information to parody, 647 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.840 fitting in with our entire discussion this evening. You know, he goes 648 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.880 out and he's defeating or unmasking all of these different creatures, and he even 649 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:51.679 shoots a werewolf and then there's the human body on the ground and people are 650 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.480 like, hey, the night Gawker killed this guy. It's like straight to 651 00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.639 the point, right, It's completely understands. It unders stands the premise of 652 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.519 the show to a t. And I loved it. I that was great. 653 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.679 I mean, it's like eleven pages on a PDF. It's funny. 654 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.320 You should if you can find it, search it out. It's worth your 655 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.679 five minutes if you're a fan of the show, and if you've never seen 656 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.199 it, it's actually really funny. I mean, you know, I know 657 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.639 that there's a lot of comics out now that from these indie publishers that are 658 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:25.920 like actual coal chack stories, but this is a cold check story that it's 659 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.119 fun and it honestly still kind of feels like a Colchack story, like a 660 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.119 best like the greatest hits the Colchack. Yeah, did you get a chance 661 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:38.960 to read any of those books? I didn't because I just didn't get a 662 00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.840 chance to. That's fine, things happen, life gets away. I listened 663 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:49.679 to one and a half so far, and the one that I listened to 664 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:54.239 fully I enjoyed, though it felt like it ended before it really began. 665 00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:01.559 It was this whole thing of there these seventy two guys who watch over this 666 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:07.719 cave and they are constantly chanting, and there's like a bunch of people on 667 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.199 the side, so like if one passes out, then he can be replaced 668 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:15.159 and they have to just keep chanting all the time. And so okay, 669 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.800 it's the whole thing, is what's in the cave. And then eventually coal 670 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:23.119 check. It's kind of swindled by these people in La his fellow reporters, 671 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:29.639 who they pat him on the back because he managed to accidentally, basically accidentally 672 00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.159 unmask a serial killer. So they're like, hey, you know, come 673 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.159 on with us, and then he finds out that basically they need him as 674 00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.519 a cover story because it's this really crazy thing that they're about to do, 675 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.719 which is to go through the jungles of Peru and try to find this guy, 676 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:49.079 try to find these guys. He's seventy two guys, and there's a 677 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:54.159 drug lord who happens upon them and take some prisoner basically and take and marches 678 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:59.159 them through the jungle. I kept thinking of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of 679 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:01.719 the Crystal Skull, especially when all these ants show up, but they're just 680 00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:07.239 there to show Cole Chack the way to the cave. They get to the 681 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:13.880 cave, some bad things happened that we don't see, and Colchacks he's almost 682 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.920 again like Indiana Jones. He doesn't open his eyes, he's not privy to 683 00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.440 whatever they're seeing. And then all of the people that he was with, 684 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.159 all of the drug lord's people there just happens to be seventy two of them. 685 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:29.960 After they mastercred the original seventy two and they all sit down and they 686 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.840 start chanting. It's just like, okay. So the end, it was 687 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.719 a really quick read or a really quick listen. It was like three hours 688 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:43.920 long. It was okay, but it really kind of felt like maybe we 689 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.559 should have seen what was in the cave. It sounds like this is what 690 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:54.320 happens when you're not tied to a budget right in the le right, Oh, 691 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.760 Like, do you know what made Cole Chack good? Because colcheck going 692 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:04.039 to the fucking jungle is something I ever even wanted. Well, that's where 693 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.840 all of these ancillary things seemed to be. Are individuals kind of going, 694 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:14.320 well, you know, here's what would have happened or should have happened. 695 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.480 And I guess they're leaning toward whatever it is they like, if they like 696 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:23.719 Indiana Jones, maybe they feel like Koleshack is like that. But but every 697 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:28.440 time I think about the show, and when I first saw it when I 698 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:34.400 was eight years old, the thing that really blew me away that I couldn't 699 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.960 get over was the fact that all this stuff was happening in a big city, 700 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:43.559 and somehow that was everything for me. It was just it looks like 701 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:50.039 a typical cop show, except it's acknowledging that there's monsters and ghosts and supernatural 702 00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:53.760 stuff. And I lived in Los Angeles, so when I was driving around, 703 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.159 you know, my parents were driving the car and I was looking at 704 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.719 big buildings, I was like, Oh, I wonder what I wonder if 705 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.679 there's a monster out there, you know. It brought all that supernatural stuff, 706 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.239 you know, wait home and in a way that felt like the freshest, 707 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.599 most avant garde thing that could possibly be done with a ghost story. 708 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.440 And that's what appealed to me. So if you know, God forbid anyone 709 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.239 ever would gone to my head and I had to write another call shack story. 710 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.400 That is the first thing it would involve. It would be in a 711 00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:31.800 city and it would be what is happening just out of sight, just you 712 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.920 know, underneath the buildings, just in the shadows, the alleys, what's 713 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.800 happening that you're not seeing. I will give the reboot of the show credit 714 00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:45.719 for sticking to that formula, and I agree with you one, Richard. 715 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:47.360 And I don't know for you, Mike, what drew you to Coal Check, 716 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:52.239 because initially the entire onus of this podcast was you asking for a co 717 00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.800 host and me going I watched a show since my dad bought it for me 718 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.039 on DVD when I was like fourteen, and that's what drew him to it 719 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.880 when he was about your age, Richard, because my dad is probably close 720 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.599 to your age as well, and that was what drew him to it, 721 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.119 and that's what drew me to it as a fan of The X Files. 722 00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.000 I didn't even know the connection until after I watched the show. It is 723 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.639 that out of the corner of your eye in a city, because I grew 724 00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.440 up in Dallas, it's the same thing. It's like, you know that 725 00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:27.599 God knows what's going on underneath, but the veneer on top is you know, 726 00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.639 a normal city. And like that's what drew me to Colcheck. And 727 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:32.679 that's why I'm saying, like the whole thing about I don't need to see 728 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:36.519 cold Check in the fucking jungle and any many more than I need to see 729 00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:39.039 Colcheck in space, like fu fuck off, Like I don't need to see 730 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:45.480 it. Like that's putting the character so far in one direction that it almost 731 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:50.039 loses any of the charm of what made the show so great. And that's 732 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.039 why I will still contend the show should have been set in Vegas the entire 733 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:58.840 time, because Vegas was the perfect setting for coal Check because of the twenty 734 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:02.960 four hour nature of this city exactly, and that whole sin city and just 735 00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.440 people looking the other way. I mean, yeah here, Yeah, we've 736 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:13.280 got monsters in Chicago, but we've got a mob presence in Las Vegas just 737 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.440 as much, if not more so. That would have been great. There 738 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:19.639 could have been stories with the underground, you know, just yeah, there 739 00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.079 could have been so many things. And then you can easily move him to 740 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:28.400 La story, a desert story, just so many different places he could have 741 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.400 gone had he needed to go there. Yeah. My biggest issue with the 742 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.599 show was moving into Chicago, because Chicago, as interesting of a setting as 743 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.280 it is, it's not unique. And I think what Barney is Barney Miller 744 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:43.440 said in Chicago is it's in New York, New York, Okay, so 745 00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.800 you know it's gonna it's There's no monsters in Barney Miller, but there is 746 00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:52.280 a Vogoda, so you know. And you will definitely see what New York 747 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.480 of the nineteen seventies was like, as represented through humor in this one. 748 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.679 And I will tell you one other thing about Cole Check, because if I 749 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.400 had my way, if someone put a gun to my head, Richard, 750 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:08.880 my Colcheck story would be It's kind of already got written in the X Files, 751 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:14.280 where you had an older Coalchack running into Molder and Scully. That would 752 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:19.079 have been my story I wrote because being able to have those characters play off 753 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.599 of each other would have been amazing, and it feels like that felt like 754 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:28.199 a natural thing. And obviously Chris Carter and them did that in X File, 755 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.039 so you kind of get it a little bit. I mean, Aguamala 756 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:36.679 is a really bad episode unfortunately, but for me, that would have been 757 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.480 my story to tell with Cold Check because it's blending the things that I love 758 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:44.840 that brought me to Colcheck. What about you, Mike, what would your 759 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:51.280 Colchack story be? Colchack fights monsters the end, likes a purist because some 760 00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:55.760 really good monsters. Yeah, invisible monsters. Yeah, no, invisible monsters, 761 00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.440 thank you very much. The Mark of Kine. I mean, there 762 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.320 have been so many things that we've talked about that are like coal Check. 763 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.440 I don't know if anything really measures up to it. But again, going 764 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.119 back to your earlier point, it's the coal Check of those first two movies 765 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:17.400 that I really like the most because he seems desperate. He seems like he's 766 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:23.440 a man living on the edges much more luck Yeah. I mean, he's 767 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:29.719 a hard drinker, it seems like he's a womanizer, and he seems so 768 00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:35.239 tame on the TV show YEP, I agree and that the TV show's tone 769 00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.599 was always The issue that I've had is that it was too jokey. It 770 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.519 wasn't serious, and how can it be when he's fighting an invisible monster. 771 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.000 And at first I thought that that came from the relationship that he had with 772 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:51.039 the other people in the newsroom. But the more that we've talked over this 773 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:55.039 whole series of podcasts, the more I've fallen in love with Updike and Miss 774 00:59:55.079 --> 01:00:00.440 Emily and of course Vincenzo, and the more I actually wanted them to be 775 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:05.400 on adventures with Carl, at least a little bit more presence than what he 776 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.400 ended up having with them. And I don't know how much this played into 777 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:13.960 the development of the stories. But the show was on at eight o'clock and 778 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:15.639 I was eight years old when I was watching it, and I was watching 779 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.840 it with my brother and my cousins, and they were all, you know, 780 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.719 none of them were more than twelve. And now that I'm an adult, 781 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:29.039 people my age discovered the show at that age, I think they became 782 01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.880 aware that kids were watching the show and kids were really into it, and 783 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:39.239 I think maybe that sort of fed into all right, maybe let's not have 784 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:45.079 him drinking in bars and sleeping with hookers. Let's have him be you know, 785 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.119 let's have it be a family. You know, he doesn't get along 786 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:52.719 with his brother, you know, Rod Updike. Dad Vincenzo is always yelling 787 01:00:52.719 --> 01:01:00.199 at those two, and Grandma Emily is you know, hanging around, and 788 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:06.920 it just it became much more kind of family friendly, tgif friendly, so 789 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.119 that you know, the people who are wanting it could keep watching it. 790 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:14.400 It's like one of my favorite movies, Fletch, which if you've read the 791 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:19.599 books by Jeffrey McDonald, they are like Jeffrey Rice's Cold Check. I mean, 792 01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.280 he is a maturer character, and in the movie he's not a maturer 793 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:28.239 character. I mean, he's still smart alecky, but it's more comedic for 794 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.400 no one's a teenagers but kind of. And it's that same thing I mean 795 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:37.119 in the in the initial Fletch book, he fucks up like a teenager and 796 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:39.880 like sheet eyes, and that's you're never going to put that in the movie 797 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:45.280 because they want him to be a sympathetic character. But my point being is, 798 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.360 like you said, with Cold Check, at least we got to see 799 01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:52.360 in one version of Cold Check in the medium of film or TV. At 800 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.519 least we got to see that version of cold Check that's closer to what Jeffrey 801 01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.960 Rice intended, because that's always has been for me. The biggest disappointment with 802 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:07.960 my other favorite investigative journalist, Fletch is that you never see that in his 803 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:10.400 version. It's always kind of the jokey guy, which it works. But 804 01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.000 cold Check I do like that we do get to see even just that little 805 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:21.519 two episode you know movies feature linked movies of him. But again, yeah, 806 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:27.440 like reading that executioner script really made me yearn for more of that, 807 01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:30.400 which again the show just didn't provide. Well, it's been a lot of 808 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:35.480 fun talking about Cold Check for the last three years, even talking about three 809 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.320 years next month. Yeah, even talking about the reboot was kind of fun. 810 01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:43.280 There were some good times. We did a justice. I want to 811 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:49.199 thank John Walker for doing our theme music. Always appreciated. I'm hoping that 812 01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:52.559 I can maybe talk to John into scoring our next podcast if we do that, 813 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:59.280 or maybe the ranking on Bass podcast. Wow, this shit's gonna happen? 814 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:00.559 Are we just gonna? I think we should add just the three of 815 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:06.000 us yet another podcast to the ever growing stable of podcasts. Well, I'm 816 01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.800 not doing this dreams for sale thing anymore, so might as well. Wow, 817 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:16.000 boy, that's just dissolved real quick, happening anymore. Thank you so 818 01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.039 much, guys for being a part of this, and thank you Richard for 819 01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:22.760 actually listening to us and wanting to come on board and be our co host 820 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.760 on many of these episodes. You guys, it was the greatest discovery. 821 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.880 And I'm so glad I've found you. I realized now I found you about 822 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:36.760 a year and a half into your journey, but I'm glad I could help 823 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.840 drag you a class the finish line. And here's the thing, folks, 824 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:43.679 do not hesitate to reach out to your favorite podcasters, because look what happens. 825 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.960 Look what happens. It's a success story. In reality people really win. 826 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:51.440 Make friends. You make friends, and you get to be on podcasts 827 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:53.519 and talk about some stuff. We've got to get to work on ranking on 828 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:59.679 bass. And I want to thank you so much Chris for coming on this, 829 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.800 ja for being brave enough to volunteer to be part of this. Again. 830 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.320 I've said this before and I'll say this again, and I am a 831 01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:10.800 emotional guy at my core. Whether or not Richard believes me, this is 832 01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:14.039 the first podcast I have ever done that has wrapped. This is it. 833 01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:15.719 This is the final episode of this show. I mean we're going on and 834 01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.639 doing Barney Miller, but the Coal Chack Tapes, for all intents and purposes, 835 01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:25.000 is done here. And so I'm so thankful Mike that you, you 836 01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.639 know, you said yes to me being your co host. I am thankful 837 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.039 for the opportunity and it has been a lot of fun. And if you 838 01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.559 haven't liked my opinion, that's okay because it's just my opinion, it's not 839 01:04:32.599 --> 01:05:55.480 yours. That's perfect way to Joppa the car. H m hm