1 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,519 And welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and I hope 2 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:30,480 for those of you who celebrate Christmas you had a wonderful one and I hope 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,159 you have a great new year. I hope twenty twenty four is a great 4 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,600 one for you. Rounding out this year with a great guest. His name 5 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:44,159 is Mark Sokel, and he's the founder of Falcon Space. It's a research 6 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,240 on anti gravity, etc. And there's quite a few crossovers to the UFO 7 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:54,880 world. So I saw him at a so called debate with Lawrence Krause and 8 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,560 Nick Pope, and I was impressed by what the work he's doing. Luckily 9 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,519 he said that he would be on the show and without further ado, even 10 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,400 in a little Christmas Santa Hat, I love it. How you doing Mark, 11 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Merry Christmas everyone. Yes, I'm actually here here in the Falcons based 12 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:19,439 lab. Yeah, I've seen that. I love the background, so yes, 13 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,879 and it was really great to hear you. Well, it was kind 14 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:29,439 of disappointing in a way too. Why I'm saying it's disappointing is that, 15 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:37,879 in my opinion, Kraus was so closed minded at not only of your question, 16 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:42,159 but when you mentioned a couple of things he was unaware of. He 17 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:45,799 just moved on in kind of arrogance. I have to say, you know, 18 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,400 and I don't want to this isn't a show about bashing him, but 19 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,159 I really I was rather disappointed. I wouldn't really call it a debate, 20 00:01:53,680 --> 00:02:00,560 a gentleman forsation and with basically by through an intipidation. I do believe that 21 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,719 uh Kraus was sort of running the board there. What do you think in 22 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:14,439 general? I think that Ethan Kraus at this point is what we call a 23 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,759 debunking grifter. It's somebody who makes money, who makes a living, who 24 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:23,319 gets his views off of debunking things. Because at this point in time, 25 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:27,879 you're gonna have a hard time finding somebody who has any credentials who would say 26 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,080 that UFOs and aliens definitely don't exist. You'd have a very hard time finding 27 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,199 out. Ethan Krause was probably one of on a very short list of people, 28 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,479 one of the only people who was willing to get on that debate stage 29 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:44,439 and make it a debate and not just a monologue. And you know, 30 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:47,759 Nick Pope, for his you know part, is always the gentleman. He 31 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,759 tries to always be the gentleman. When you see him in more you know, 32 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:57,439 open minded debates or conversations, he's a little bit you know, more 33 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:02,800 with with the other guests that are with him. But Ethan Krauss definitely takes 34 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,840 the cherry on the top for being the most closed minded person I've ever met 35 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:13,800 in this subject, especially in today's age. You know, when Congress is 36 00:03:13,879 --> 00:03:19,560 passing a bill to release alien bodies and UFOs and there's there's fights going on 37 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,240 about how many of them are going to be released and whatnot, and he's 38 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,000 getting onto a stage and saying they're definitely not real and I'm one hundred percent 39 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:30,080 certain of it. No scientist ever says one hundred percent there's no such thing 40 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,840 in science. It's not me, that's that's not real science at all. 41 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:37,919 Yeah. Yeah, I was rather shocked, and you know, I mean 42 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,039 it kind of took me. Uh, you know, I was taken aback 43 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,520 by just how he was reacting to all of that and proclaiming, you know, 44 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,319 one thing right after another. Basically, you know, when one of 45 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,280 the things he said, now, I may be totally wrong in this because 46 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,479 I'm not a physicist in any type of way, but he said that that 47 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:05,199 these things can't be defying physics, that the basic physics that we know, 48 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,199 they can't be. They have to build upon that. And to me, 49 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,159 my thing has always been maybe they figured out something in physics that we don't 50 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,240 know, you know, I mean as of yet. I mean it's physics. 51 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,720 We don't know everything is to know about physics as far as I know. 52 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,800 I mean, there's always definitely don't We definitely do not know everything about 53 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,319 physics. I mean, it wasn't until one hundred years ago that we freaking 54 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,160 figured out how the Sun works, you know, through through fusion. That 55 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,920 was with Albert Einstein, Eagles MC square And if you go back in history 56 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:45,319 of science, I don't know if your your your viewers are familiar with the 57 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,519 concept of logiston. That was, you know, to explain how fire, 58 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:56,360 you know, can re energize iron. Actually it's not re energizing, it's 59 00:04:56,399 --> 00:05:00,519 just removing oxygen. But until we figured that out, that was the dogma, 60 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,720 that's what was taught. That's what all the PhDs were getting their degrees 61 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:10,600 in for logistic theory until it was thrown out by evidence. That's how science 62 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:15,040 moves forward, one funeral at a time. And we might have to wait 63 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,160 for Ethan Kraus's funeral to move forward a little bit, because that is such 64 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,759 a closed minded view on science. He didn't know the difference between inertial mass 65 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,839 and gravitational mass. There was so many flaws in everything that he was saying. 66 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,279 He said that nobody ever took a picture of it on a cell phone. 67 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,279 I personally have seen cell phone images on the cell phone that it was 68 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:39,120 taken many times from friends of mine of these craft. Like, he said 69 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,600 so many things that were wrong. Honestly, when I came up to ask 70 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:47,199 him a question, my question originally was going to be Ethan, how big 71 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,720 is the rock that you live under? And do you ever come up to 72 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:55,480 breathe? But I took the more diplomatic route and started talking about the science 73 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:01,519 instead, And then he said that there's no serious sciences that would investigate this 74 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,360 thing. Well, I was glad to tell him that I am actually one 75 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,519 of them, and we have a lab within driving distance and if you want, 76 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,240 we'll give him a ride there right now and show him an actual anti 77 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,519 gravity lab within a half an hour drive from where that debate took place. 78 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:20,319 Also, there is a conference that we started called apex the Alternative Propulsion Engineering 79 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:27,040 Conference. It goes on every two weeks and there's either an open bike or 80 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,319 an organized presenter. We had one on the twenty third, and then every 81 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,800 the next two week week we'd have an open mic session where anyone who's working 82 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,040 on this stuff, who's just getting into the field can come and you know, 83 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:43,839 exchange ideas and such. All the top physicists and engineers that are willing 84 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:46,759 to talk on this subject have been at This EIGHTPEC conference has been going on 85 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:55,120 for three years now with over two hundred percenters from all ranges of the scientific 86 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:01,000 community, from do it yourself for his garage hobbyists, DARPA contractors. We 87 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,600 have Lockeed Martin, skunk Works, and SpaceX people who have been on in 88 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:13,759 various degrees, mit OL, diferent colleges. Lots of NASA falk had been 89 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:18,199 on and both presented and talked about their work. NASA had several anti gravity 90 00:07:19,079 --> 00:07:27,519 esque research groups throughout the years in Huntsville, Alabama and in Nashville, Tennessee's 91 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,720 organizations, and they they would usually run them for like a year or two, 92 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,399 so the research never got far along. But we do have published papers 93 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:44,399 from NASA on anti gravity esque effects that were discovered there, So you know, 94 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:50,959 there's a real debate as to why this wasn't research further. But yeah, 95 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:55,600 there's a large community of people that are that are researching this stuff. 96 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,639 We obviously see these craft flying in the air doing ninety degree turns at ten 97 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:03,839 thousand malls an hour, which our current physics, which is obviously wrong, 98 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:09,160 can't explain. So we need new physics for that, right And can anybody 99 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:13,639 watch these Is this like a live stream that you had to do a live 100 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:18,000 stream conference or is this a private conference you're talking about, Oh, these 101 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,879 are live streams. So you can go to Altpropulsion dot com a ltpropulsion dot 102 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:28,399 com and you can sign up for the newsletter. You'd get an email with 103 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:33,320 a link to either a zoom link for the open mic, or you'd get 104 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:39,759 a YouTube link for the organized discussions, and that would include you know, 105 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:45,480 the presenter's name. I'll give you a brief synopsis of what he's presenting about. 106 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,360 There's gonna be a Q and A we take questions from YouTube live chat. 107 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,759 We're able to see them and ask the presenter when there's enough time, 108 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,480 and then you know, we go on to the next presenter, and then 109 00:08:54,519 --> 00:09:00,200 there's you know, live updates from different labs, including my own, and 110 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,840 I'll get to them a little bit. And it's really just a great way 111 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:11,039 of bringing the community together of alternative propulsion researchers. And this runs the gamut 112 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:16,279 anywhere from inertial propulsion, which is throwing masses around, electromagnetic propulsion like David 113 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:28,559 Perez's quantum electrodynamic drive. We have electrostatic propulsion, which the Exodus company down 114 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,279 in Florida's working on. There's also IVO. It's a company that recently launched. 115 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,399 They were kind of secretive about it, but they launched a satellite just 116 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,240 recently in the last few weeks into lower orbit with one of their thrusters on 117 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:48,200 board, and are trying to do a proof of concept of a propellantless propulsion 118 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,159 concept in outer space. By the way, when I'm using the term anti 119 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:58,919 gravity, that's like a colloquial term to cover anything that can move without send 120 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,799 something out the of direction. Propellerless propulsion is really what we're talking about. 121 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,759 I see, Okay, Well, I will link that down in the show 122 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:13,679 notes and also in the text of this show itself, because I want people 123 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,960 to be able to participate in that. That's great. And so what I'm 124 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,440 assuming that perhaps you worked somewhere doing a related work and you decided to found 125 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,960 you know too, you founded this company, Falcon Space. I'm going to 126 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:37,240 pull up the website on the screen here. So I guess what made you 127 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,120 decide to take the leap between you know? What you may have been doing 128 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,519 in this? Was it COVID? Like everything, everybody says COVID had something 129 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:50,120 to do with it, But how long? How long have you had this 130 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:56,600 as well? So COVID was definitely a catalyst, you know, it helped 131 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,039 speed things up, but the concepts and the work was outally going on before 132 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,000 the pandemic hit. So I originally had a company called Falcon Hybrid where I 133 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,879 would refurbish hybrid batteries. It's a company that I started myself refurbishing hybrid batteries. 134 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:18,000 I built the equipment to refurbish those batteries because the equipment didn't exist. 135 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:24,039 Learned a lot about electricity, AC and DC, basic engineering, three D 136 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,200 printing, all that stuff, and at a certain point I realized that these 137 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:33,039 you know, I read the book by it's his name, the second in 138 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,840 command of the Pentagon the day after Roswell by Philip J. Corso, and 139 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,399 that sort of got me convinced that, yeah, these aliens are real, 140 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:46,799 the technology is real. And then I saw the New York Times article December 141 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:52,559 sixteenth, twenty seventeen that basically blew the lid off of this a tip program 142 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:58,000 from the Pentagon that's re investigating UFOs again. And at the same time, 143 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,960 I was also a subscriber to Gaya for I'm sure many of your viewers are 144 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,440 familiar with Gaya dot com, which is basically the Netflix for all things spiritual, 145 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:13,080 yoga, aliens, disclosure, all that mix together. And there was 146 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,440 an episode on there from a guy called Corey Good, extremely controversial almost and 147 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,200 nothing he says is verifiable. But one thing he did say, and this 148 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,360 happened right after the December sixteenth, twenty seventeenth event, was that on that 149 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:35,000 day he was on a spaceship translating for raws Haar Air the Sphere being Alliance, 150 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,120 telling the Galactic Federation that the you know, the surveillance of Earth and 151 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,480 the great experiment that they're doing here is over. Earth has come of age. 152 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,759 And at that point I realized the men in Black are not going to 153 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:50,440 come after you anymore. You're not gonna get stand mired. It's open field 154 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,799 for anyone who wants to investigate this stuff and go for it. And that 155 00:12:54,919 --> 00:13:00,000 has actually been my experience ever since. And I started, you know, 156 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,960 just just with the basics, you know, the electrogravitics, the lifters, 157 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,960 the gravity capacitor concepts, you know, just started dabbling in it. And 158 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:15,480 I started reaching out to other community members, people who are interested in this 159 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,200 stuff, and found more people who are, you know, on the hardware 160 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,799 end of things, which is really what I'm after is the hardware. Less 161 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,200 of the theory, more of the hardware. Actually run an experiment and show 162 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,399 me something that works, and it's slowly built up from there. We got 163 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,360 we got funding from from many different sources, and I was able to close 164 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:39,480 down the battery business intern of you know that what used to be a battery 165 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:46,559 hybrid battery refurbishment shop into a anti gravity research lab. And that's where I'm 166 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,240 in right now. We have we have a room size farity cage right over 167 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:54,840 here. I have a march generator that can put out a four foot lightning 168 00:13:54,879 --> 00:14:03,240 bolt. We have extremely powerful lasers, magnets, all all the kind of 169 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,960 tools you'd want, UH in order to investigate anti gravity, including many of 170 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,480 the stuff that were used to investigate anti gravity by UH the United States premier 171 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,480 laboratories in Los Alamos and San Dia. Actually, the equipment right behind me 172 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:24,519 over here, this RF amplifier came from Sandia National Labs. It was literally 173 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,000 pulled out of their dump It was literally pulled out of their dumpster and sold 174 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,159 on eBay and I got and I got two palate folds of them, so 175 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:39,200 we have and you quite literally that's where that's that's literally where it came from. 176 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:45,000 And actually one of the the the the amplifiers that I have right under 177 00:14:45,039 --> 00:14:50,200 my desk over here, it's called space I would read it. Actually, 178 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:58,960 Yeah, Space Research Instruments. That's that. That's what they named their kind 179 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,120 company when they built these RF amplifiers for what essentially is a space drive. 180 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:13,679 Interesting, Well, you know, gravity is such a puzzle, isn't it? 181 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,639 I mean, is that is this something that you think will eventually be 182 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:24,000 solved? What gravity really is? I think it will eventually be solved, 183 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:30,399 And I'm not I'm not sure that even my experiments will answer that question. 184 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Because I have one experiment going on that's behind me. I showed you some 185 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:39,840 of the equipment before that. So far, every time I explain the theory 186 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,960 to a new physicist who enters the field, they say, oh, no, 187 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,639 no, no, that's that can't work, that's wrong because of X, 188 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,840 Y and Z. And then I explained the experiment. Okay, this 189 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:54,320 is the experiment that he proposes to try, and then he's then they're like 190 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,759 this. I think for a moment like, oh, that might work and 191 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:00,039 because of my theory, and they give me their whole theory as to why 192 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,639 the experiment would work. And so far I have like six or seven of 193 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:10,279 those different theories as to why this experiment would work. So yeah, even 194 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,799 if it works, there's still going to be a debate as to why it 195 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:18,519 worked. But we're more concentrated on the how to make it better, how 196 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:22,600 to get to that, you know, ninety three return at ten thousand miles 197 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:26,399 an hour and populate Mars and mind the asteroid belt. That's kind of what 198 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:33,639 we're after here. Well, I had someone a guest on that he was 199 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:37,480 a physicist or an engineer, I can't remember exactly what he was, but 200 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:42,919 he had thought that this was up several years Ago. I don't even remember 201 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:48,720 his name right now, but that he figured out the propulsion of you know, 202 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,519 UAP what we used to call UFOs, which I still like to call 203 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:59,080 UFOs. That one of the things I do remember him saying. He says, 204 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,079 it's like falling. It's like, uh, you you won't feel it's 205 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,920 like always falling with the gravity, and that way they wouldn't feel the ninety 206 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,640 degree angle. I don't know if you understand any of what I'm trying to 207 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:18,440 say. Oh yeah, you're you're trying to explain the the high level concept 208 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,279 of warp drive where they take the paper and they fold it and they stick 209 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:26,839 a pen through it and and and call that a wormhole or Einstein rosen Bridge 210 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:33,240 and all that. Those those are theories that are extremely they're they're they're they're 211 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:42,200 completely disconnected from reality. Okay, reality is uh wires, cables, stuff 212 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:48,160 you can buy on eBay and Amazon, connecting it together, getting measurements, 213 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:53,160 programming lab view and seeing weight loss that's or seeing thrust. That's reality. 214 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,319 When you start talking about all these theories, theory is very cheap. And 215 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,079 if you go to APEX, you will hear lots and lots of theory. 216 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,519 Okay, we try to make it an engineering conference. That's why it has 217 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:08,359 the word engineering in it. But there is easily one hundred or a thousand 218 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:14,839 times more theory than there is engineering. That's because engineering is very expensive. 219 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:21,640 It's very difficult, it's time consuming, it's energy consuming. It takes multidiscipline 220 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,599 to UH to learn how to fix these things. I get pieces of equipment 221 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:26,519 in here that I don't even know what they do, but I know that 222 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:29,960 I need them, and then I have to figure out how to fix them 223 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,920 because they don't work. You need to be able to attack this with an 224 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,680 open mind, auto didactically learning what it is that you need to learn. 225 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,599 In order to move the ball forward with a theory, all you have to 226 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,640 do is write scribble stuff on paper. That's what we have a whiteboard for. 227 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,920 Actually, we have a whiteboard over here, and sometimes when these theorists 228 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,519 come into the lab, all they do is scribble on the whiteboard. I'm 229 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:55,440 like, hey, can you help me lift this piece of equipment up? 230 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,559 We need to put it over there, and they're like, I gotta scribble 231 00:18:56,599 --> 00:19:00,839 this, and we stap a picture of it and go onto my phone into 232 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,319 a special folder and it's just forgotten because all the theory in the world will 233 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,000 never get you there. You have to actually put something together and build it 234 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,240 right. But you have to have the thought first to understand where you're going. 235 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:21,799 And with that in mind, how you know, I mean, Lawrence 236 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,680 Krauss during that so called debate mentioned about the space you know, like when 237 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,319 the two galaxies are colliding, that we won't actually hit. And I understand 238 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,480 that because there's so much space in between, you know, stars and all 239 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:45,680 that. But how is the thought that these things could get here from wherever 240 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:55,480 they're coming from and actually say a short amount of time and above light travel 241 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:03,160 light speed travel? Okay, Well, first of all, something that's moving 242 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,279 at the speed of light is moving instantaneously from its perspective. Okay, The 243 00:20:08,279 --> 00:20:12,799 theory of relativity teaches us that as you go closer to the speed of light, 244 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,680 time goes down to zero. So for a photon that left the Sun 245 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,440 and flies to a distant galaxy its perspective, the time to travel to get 246 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,880 to that distant galaxy is close to zero. From the distant galaxy looking at 247 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,680 the photon, it will be billions of years, and it's incremental ninety nine 248 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,519 percent of speed of light, it would be millions of years, ninety nine 249 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:41,880 point nine, it will be hundreds of thousands. Every nine that you add 250 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:47,880 exponentially increases that ratio of zero to a billion, you know, zero a 251 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,000 billion years. But as you get really close to the speed of light, 252 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:55,839 your time literally drops to zero. So reaching the speed of light is all 253 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 you really need. And if you reach the speed of light, you will 254 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,480 get to Alpha centauri in zero seconds. You would get there instantaneously, quite 255 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:10,400 literally, if you're literally at it, If you're at one point zero zero 256 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,640 the speed of light, if you're at point nine nine nine nine nine, 257 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,079 it might take you a couple of days. With that in mind, can 258 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:23,440 you actually go into the future, Well, theoretically it's possible if you were 259 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:29,039 to, if you're able to get the mass of the craft down to zero. 260 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,400 This is just something we haven't talked about yet. Science doesn't even know 261 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,279 where mass comes from. Science does not know where inertial mass comes from. 262 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:42,079 The reason why objects weigh anything in the first place, the reason why you 263 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,480 can't do the ninety degree turn on ten thousand miles an hour. Oh they'll 264 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:48,599 they'll throw out, Oh yeah, it's inertia. Newton understood that yet, 265 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,920 but until now we still do not understand where that force actually comes from. 266 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,400 What is stopping the matter from doing that motion? If you think about it, 267 00:22:00,279 --> 00:22:03,440 is energy, and energy is the movement of matter. So where does 268 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:10,559 this inertia come from? And I came up with a pretty simple theory to 269 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:15,000 explain it. It's basically, if you look at gyrou If you look at 270 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,079 an atom, the mass is stored in the core of the atom. The 271 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,960 electrons on the outside dictate how it interacts with other atoms and with matter and 272 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,920 light. That's why things are different colors. My shirt is black because the 273 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,839 electrons, not because of the core of the atom in there now. In 274 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,799 the core of the atom, though, dictates the weight of the atom itself. 275 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,799 So the mass is in the protons and the neutrons. What are protons 276 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:48,319 and neutrons? Basically, they're electromagnetic energy that's spun in on itself, spinning 277 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,759 at the speed of light. This energy is rotating around extremely quickly, and 278 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:59,680 it's not just rotating nicely like a gyroscope on one plane. It's the axis 279 00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:06,279 of a rotation is wabbling in many different directions simultaneously, and that crazy wobble 280 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:12,000 that's going on over there, the chaotic wabbles of sub atomic particles. Imagine 281 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,359 if you had a gyroscope in your hand that was doing all these crazy wobbles 282 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,799 simultaneously, and you tried to move it through space, what you'd end up 283 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:23,559 doing is changing the wabbles of the subtomic of that gyroscope. The wobbles will 284 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,119 change because you're moving it through space. The same thing happens in the sub 285 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,519 on a subatomical level. When you take a baseball and you throw it, 286 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:36,920 the sub atomic particles of every atom that make up that baseball, their wobbles 287 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,960 have just changed, and that is where inertia is stored. Now, the 288 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:44,599 tricks to get rid of inertia, or to hide, you know, the 289 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:51,400 mass from the effects of inertia, is to orient the subatomic particles spins so 290 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,359 that they're all oriented along long that one axis, and at which point you're 291 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,839 free to move it along the plane or along the axis of rotation, just 292 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,319 like any gyroscope that's you know they hold in your hand, that's turning nicely. 293 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,559 That's how flying saucers seem to operate. Also, they seem to wobble 294 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:12,759 a bit like this that's like a gyroscope. That's a gyroscopic motion. They 295 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,240 also cannot do a barrel roll. They're only flying like that. In fact, 296 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:26,079 many viewers who have seen flying saucers report them slowly changing their orientation before 297 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,680 they shoot off in a new direction. That's because they need physical thrusters of 298 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,200 some sort in order to change that mass into the new orientation. Along this 299 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:41,799 orientation, they're weightless, but to change this they need an equivalent thruster in 300 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:48,039 the other direction. And to do that, oh, go ahead, yeah, 301 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,960 to do that. We actually have this science paper which is peer reviewed 302 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,680 and published at the Joint Propulsion Conference in Colorado Springs, Colorado, AI double 303 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,599 a peer review. This guy was working for OWING at the time and I 304 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:07,440 Gravity with Present Technology, Implementation and theoretical Foundation by Frederick Alzafon. This paper 305 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:15,119 describes a process that's talked about in this book Dynamic Nuclear Orientation by C. 306 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:22,279 D. Jeffries, which shows you many different ways of actually achieving this sub 307 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:27,599 atomic particle nuclear orientation. By the way, when Dave, the way this 308 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,799 book was actually found is David's son of Frederick's son. David found this book 309 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:45,240 in a used library and it describes an encounter with a UFO where an a 310 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,119 wax plane, one of those radar Navy planes, came in close contact with 311 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:55,079 a flying saucer and got actual data from the from the craft, saw that 312 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,319 it was pulsing this three megahertz pulse, that two hundred repetitions per se second. 313 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,759 And Uh, that was supposed to be part of Project Blue Book, 314 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,279 but it was removed at the last moment because that was empirical data, that 315 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,960 was actionable data on the propulsion system of these crafts, and it was classified 316 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:17,279 because the entire secret of UFOs and aliens has nothing to do with aliens, 317 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:21,359 has everything to do with the propulsion system. And you know, the the 318 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,359 this what's going on behind me is the secret to t UFOs and aliens. 319 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,279 It has nothing to do with the fact that you know there there. They 320 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:36,039 don't They don't care about the the the people freaking out, or war of 321 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,319 the worlds or all that. What they really care about is the science. 322 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:44,759 It's the propulsion system, it's the money, it's the control and and uh 323 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,960 when when so when Frederick read that report in this book, he went to 324 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:53,799 a science library, uh, looking for a peculiar state of matter that he 325 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,960 remember reading about in some place, and this book literally fell off the show 326 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,279 onto the floor in front of him as he was walking through the library like 327 00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:08,640 interstellar style. Somebody came through the black hole and pushed it off the shelf, 328 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,119 and it happens to be the Holy Crail. And it's the only book 329 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,839 written on this subject since then. It's published in nineteen sixty three, and 330 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,480 it references a lot of papers that are from the early nineteen fifties, which 331 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:27,680 was the heyday of research into this field. So just to give you a 332 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:33,279 concept of what we're doing here. Nuclear magnetic resonance is what an MRI machine 333 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,000 uses. That's the most common people have the most experience with that. It's 334 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,640 at the megahertz range, extremely powerful magnets. When you break a bone or 335 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,079 a cartilage or whatever, you go to the hospital, you get MRI. 336 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,200 It's kind of expensive, big machine, whole room, no metal on you. 337 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:56,839 Okay, that's exciting the entire atom to a certain resonance point and then 338 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,799 releasing that expectation, and then the atom sort of goes back to its lower 339 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,640 energy state and releases something back, an rf tweak chirp that the machine picks 340 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,160 up and that makes an image out of it. That's one form of resonance. 341 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:18,119 There's a higher level of resonance called EPR electron paramagnetic resonance. That's where 342 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,400 we're using the outer electron spins, not just their spins, their procession, 343 00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:29,559 the procession of their spin. Like Earth rotates once per day, three hundred 344 00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,119 and sixty five times a year, and its procession of the axis happens every 345 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:38,599 twenty five nine hundred or so years. Very rarely does Earth make a full 346 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:45,880 procession, but the an electron that's rotating around an atom at the speed of 347 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,400 light does that billions or not, if not trillions of times a second, 348 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:56,119 depending on which bans you're looking at. And in order to get the the 349 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,319 spins coherent enough to actually latch onto you have to have a magnetic field. 350 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:07,119 So you start off with a magnetic field that sort of orients the electron spins, 351 00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,000 and then and then you can excite them at that exacutl or more frequency 352 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,119 that the precession frequency and energize it a little bit, and then it transfers 353 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,200 that energy to the core of the atom in the form of a spin orientation, 354 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:25,240 and you could slowly build up this spin orientation until you're until the craft 355 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,599 essentially becomes weightless. Now, this happens at the microwave range, the X 356 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,240 band C band of microwaves. And if you remember from the Roswell case, 357 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:41,640 they talked about how a special radar system was being used and possibly helped down 358 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,880 the craft. That's because these craft were emitting these microwaves which had to do 359 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,440 with their inertial propulsion inertial mass cancelation system. Now, if you were to 360 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,119 shoot something at them that was slightly off that frequency, it would interrupt it 361 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,079 and instead of losing weight, they'd start gaining weight. And the craft I 362 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,640 only had enough thrust to thrust maybe one percent of the weight of the craft 363 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,559 of the actual weight of the craft, So as soon as it lost it's 364 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,440 you know, ninety nine point nine percent, you know, weight loss, 365 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,880 it'll come crashing down. That's how they were able to take down a craft 366 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,519 from Zeta Reticuli or wherever it came from. They're able to take it down 367 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:23,359 with just a radar gun because that's how the craft actually works. Wow, 368 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,920 yeah, there is a theory. You hear quite a bit about the radar 369 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:37,000 situation. So how would a living being be in side of a craft like 370 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,359 that, with all the alignment with the wouldn't the being itself have to also 371 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:48,920 align all the molecular structure to also so it doesn't become mush Uh. That's 372 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,960 a good question, and we're going to answer that through experiment. But right 373 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,559 now, the theory sort of point to yes, they'll get anything that's inside 374 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,279 a craft that's being oriented on just the hull would also be oriented as well. 375 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:08,519 Now how living you know, DNA replication and all that stuff will happen 376 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,319 while you're in the craft. That's those are those are questions that we need 377 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:19,400 to answer through experiment. Yeah, and another thing you mentioned the propulsion. 378 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:26,039 Could the propulsion be detected by say infrared, because you know, like the 379 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:33,680 TIC TAC and other UFOs that have been detected through radar and also for through 380 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:41,759 the flear photography have said there's no uh, there's no heat heat signature for 381 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:48,079 propulsion of any kind. So how how does that all fit in? So 382 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:56,480 dynamic nuclear orientation or this this study is actually the cold side of nuclear physics. 383 00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,440 So nuclear physics has the hot end that's adam bomb nuclear fission infusion. 384 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,400 This is the cold end and actually many of the processes here are much better 385 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,240 off at you know, near absolute zero. In fact, some of the 386 00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:19,440 processes are used to cool materials down to near absolute zero, so it's possible 387 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,319 that this process would actually cool down the surface of the craft rather than heated 388 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,480 up. Because what we're really doing is we're removing entropy. We're removing all 389 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:34,680 of this crazy chaotic energy that is what gives it inertia in the first place. 390 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,519 We're taking away the inertia by getting rid of entropy and creating order, 391 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:46,519 and that, in theory, should also make things lighter or cooler. Also 392 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,160 another interesting point, why can't you can't Why can't you punch your hand through 393 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,319 a wall? Why can't you walk through a wall? Because the atoms in 394 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,759 your hand the abs of your body, not the atoms. The electrons that 395 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:05,319 spin around the atoms interact with the electrons to spin around the atoms of the 396 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,599 wall. It's not the atoms themselves. Just like Ethan Krause correctly stated, 397 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:15,880 if if the Andromeda galaxy were to interact with our galaxy, almost nothing would 398 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,680 touch. But the reason and and the Andromeda galaxy and the wall over here 399 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:25,680 have two things, has something in common that the atoms would be like the 400 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:30,279 solar systems, and the electrons are like the orc clouds and you know, 401 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,440 go much farther out than that. So the the the actual interaction of atom 402 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,440 to adam when you try to walk through the wall is not happening. It's 403 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:45,039 the electrons that are interacting. And if you were able to orient the electrons, 404 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:49,279 just the electrons so that they're all oriented on one plane, you would 405 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,279 theoretically be able to walk through a wall. And that's what we've seen with 406 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,599 aliens actually walking through walls during their abductions. They have a special little thing 407 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,000 you know, on their body that you know makes the uh keeps this orientation 408 00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:06,240 field going, and they're able to just walk through matter. Craft have seen 409 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:13,559 been seen going through the sides of mountains like Mount Shasta in California. So 410 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,880 yeah, you know, these are these are all things to think about the 411 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,480 things that we take for granted in our daily life, like inertial mass you 412 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,000 know, the fact that you can't walk through a wall even you know, 413 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,199 science needs to explain why you can't do it in order to get to the 414 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:34,079 answer of how you can do it right, And there's so much empty space, 415 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,679 you know, like and you know, I mean, it's just amazing. 416 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,239 I think I heard that if you took all the empty space. I 417 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,679 forget what the Earth would be if all the empty space, but yeah, 418 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,760 something like that, which is really quite amazing in general. And they don't 419 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,239 even know that it would be a tennis ball. That's just the limits of 420 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:02,880 instrumentation. That's the that's a that is Yeah. Getting back to that book 421 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,079 that was published in nineteen sixty three, could you give out the title to 422 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:15,079 that one more time please? So it's Dynamic Nuclear Orientation by C. D. 423 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:22,400 Jeffries. And this is available online as a PDF. But the PDF 424 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,440 is a picture of the pages. It's kind of difficult to read. This 425 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,920 book is hard enough to read even in its hard payper form. It's pretty 426 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,360 expensive to get it like this. And as you can see here, we 427 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,400 have many of these tabs that were put in there. These tabs were actually 428 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,840 I had the head physicist of the Albany State University come down to the lab. 429 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,800 And this is a physics professor who gives presentations, who gives PhD lectures 430 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,760 on electron para, magnetic residents and NMR. And he came down to the 431 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,599 lab over here by invitation we invited him down here and asked him to help 432 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:01,199 us out. And he has never ever seen this book before. He's heard 433 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:07,079 of dynamic nuclear orientation in passing, he's never looked into it. So he's 434 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,880 very interested and asked He asked me, what can I do to help? 435 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,119 I said, read this book and find me relevant you know things, because 436 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,480 most of this stuff I don't even understand. I'm slowly starting to pick some 437 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:22,239 of it up, but it's it's extremely intense. Here we have actual highlighted 438 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,400 points. So he came down here and stick a bunch of tabs in the 439 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,599 book and highlighted some stuff that led us to some other papers that were we 440 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:37,480 downloaded. This one I actually found using a variation of chat GPT, and 441 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,760 it talks about a different a way to use light to increase the effect using 442 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:46,239 electron triplet states. But this is what real research looks like. You know, 443 00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:55,199 physicists that are scrolling equations on whiteboards. You know, it became a 444 00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,000 thing in physics after Einstein got you know, reck nice for the work that 445 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:04,159 he did and on the most of the work that he did was scribbling on 446 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,679 a whiteboard. So so science sort of like followed after that and thought, 447 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:14,320 oh, maybe we can get more, you know, more noble prizes by 448 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,280 scribbling on whiteboards. But it turns out, up until Einstein, most of 449 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,559 the physicists were actually doing the hard work. They were doing experiments. You 450 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:34,519 look at what was her name, the madame. The name the name elluds 451 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:42,280 me for a moment, but the discoverer of radio radian raid On. Oh 452 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,760 yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't think of her either, but yeah, 453 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:51,119 yeah, so she she did the hard work. They were mashing. 454 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:59,039 They were mashing material, the part that pit mass in order to get to 455 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:05,400 this tiny amount of rate on that they discovered, and that that was considered 456 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,599 physics. Nowadays they have all these string theorists that think that they could just 457 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:15,400 throw equations out and scribble them on whiteboards and write papers about it, and 458 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,480 they call it physics, which is really not just it's it's just theory, 459 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:35,519 right right. So when it comes to the basic down to what happened with 460 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,039 the bill that just passed. Originally there was in there. I don't know 461 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:45,320 if you followed any of that, but the Schumer rounds I did have you 462 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,400 know, imminent domain in it, and that is that was mysteriously taken out 463 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,280 and the only reason, you know, I've said this on my show before, 464 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:57,159 the only reason that would be removed is if there was something to hide. 465 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,039 I can't understand why. If there was nothing hide and nothing to take 466 00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:07,599 in these private corporations, why on earth would they bother to even remove that? 467 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:13,519 That's my question. But if these things do exist in private hands, 468 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:21,320 you mentioned Lockheed Martin, perhaps places like that that they may exist, do 469 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,360 you think that they would be able to reverse engineer them? I mean, 470 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,800 they seem it seems like such a complicated thing. It's not complicated at all. 471 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,480 Not complicated at all. No. No, Actually, the equipment that 472 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,000 I have here is a lot of this stuff was built before I was born, 473 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,639 and I think they reverse engineer this. Back in the early fifties or 474 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,840 nineteen fifty four is when they first the alien reproduction apparently first flew, and 475 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,920 I believe it. I believe that they could have made a pretty rudimentary anti 476 00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:01,239 gravity craft using technology meet on Earth of the time, the process of electron 477 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,519 pawa magnetic resonance, the Overhouser effect that was discovered in nineteen fifty three. 478 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:08,920 At least the papers were in nineteen fifty three, so it was probably a 479 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,480 little earlier than that. So this all came out of World War Two. 480 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:19,679 So the Germans were using U boats to down our stuff and that sort of 481 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:27,400 pushed forward the research into radar or sonar and radar, and the equipment that 482 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:34,000 came out of World War two was what pushed the discoveries of electron parwa magnetic 483 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:39,159 residence and nuclear power magnetic resonances into the forefront of scientific research. Because the 484 00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:45,079 equipment is now available. Science usually progresses one new instrument at a time. 485 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:53,719 Galileo with his telescope and the nuclear realm with radar equipment, because that's basically 486 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:59,480 what you need. And once they discovered all of those resonances, they had 487 00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:04,159 the best scientists and engineers in the country on the project. At the time, 488 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,440 country was in boom mode. They had all the resources in the world 489 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,039 that they needed to push this science for it in the early fifties. This 490 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,480 happened well before we were both born. And this is the technology is well 491 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,239 on its way. We're at Falcon Space. We're proud to say we're reinventing 492 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:28,320 the wheel here. This has already been discovered. So with that in mind, 493 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,039 would you think that some of what people are seeing flying around as UFOs 494 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:40,039 or something that is that the government actually has out there flying around. Yeah. 495 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:45,440 Yeah, Actually I know the facility in California where they're made. It's 496 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,840 off of the I five in Central California. I get you the aid the 497 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,800 address if you want. It's a massive facility that's shared between Northrop Grumman, 498 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,960 Lockey Martin, and Boeing and a lot of the people that work there don't 499 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,880 even know what they're doing because it's so compartmentalized. But yeah, that's where 500 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,280 they built the TR three B, the Flying Triangle and similar craft. My 501 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:13,320 nephew saw one of them flying into McGuire Air Force Base just a couple of 502 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,519 months ago. I mean, these craft are totally A lot of them are 503 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:22,440 hours. I wouldn't be surprised if the tic TAC was ours, but not 504 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:27,400 hours as in the military. It's ours as in human made, but it's 505 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:34,199 as there was a split in civilization. There was a breakaway civilization in the 506 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:39,000 fifties when this technology was discovered because the military industrial complex kept the lid on 507 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:45,039 it. It wasn't government and because they were doing that, they started communicating 508 00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:50,760 with aliens and making deals with extraterrestrials, trading with them, fighting wars for 509 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239 them, if you believe some of the stuff from Corey Good and friends, 510 00:42:54,320 --> 00:43:00,360 and yeah, it's really crazy what's been going on without our knowledge and without 511 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:07,239 government oversight, which is why the Schumer Rounds Amendment. The people who you 512 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:14,239 know, Schumer Arounds and all the others, Timbershett, all those congressmen and 513 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,400 senators were so pissed off because they should be in charge of these things, 514 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,159 but they're not. It's the military industrial complex, and I don't think a 515 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:29,480 president has had any control over this since Eisenhower. Yeah. Yeah, I'm 516 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:32,679 not so much sure what I believe about some of the things that Corey Good 517 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,400 has come out with over the years. You know, I personally that's just 518 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:45,000 my own personal opinion. I'm not really sure. But the fact that they 519 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,920 would have this technology or any type of technology like this and keep it under 520 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:55,360 the lid, I think is pretty would be pretty amazing. Especially you know, 521 00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,159 it seems like you'd hear more like deathbed confessions when people have nothing to 522 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,039 lose. Yeah, we hear a lot of those. We do hear a 523 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:07,840 lot of those. Boyd Bushman had a death bet profession, Philip J. 524 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,480 Corso had a deathbed confession in the form of an entire book. There's lots 525 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:19,360 of deathbed confessions that have come out, but the car parnamentalization of these projects, 526 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,000 uh makes it such that there's very few people who understand the science on 527 00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:28,400 a deep enough level to to truly, you know, piece it all together. 528 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:36,039 I have spoken to a high level Army official who worked for the Army 529 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:42,840 Lab Research Group, and I asked him about the alzaphon experiment. I was 530 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,119 actually going to ask him in front of an entire audience, and they cut 531 00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:49,000 me off. So then I went backstage and asked him about it, and 532 00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,800 he said that, yes, they actually ran that experiment back in the eighties 533 00:44:52,159 --> 00:45:00,000 and the results are classified. So yeah, can you that that's the experiment 534 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,440 that I'm running back here? Oh, I say, yeah, they're they're 535 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,400 they're telling me that the results of this experiment have been classified. So we're 536 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:12,679 running this experiment live on air, and we we try to do it live 537 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,199 on air. It's pretty sometimes it takes a pretty long time to get to 538 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:21,400 get set up and running, but we've seen up to eighteen or seventeen point 539 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,679 eight percent weight loss on it and It really comes down to how well you 540 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:32,320 can orient the subtimic particles, and there's different tricks and ways to up that 541 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,360 number, but we're we're doing our best. And if anyone out there is 542 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,440 an NMR or an EPR expert and wants to get their hands dirty, definitely 543 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,760 reach out to us. You know, falconspace dot org or market falconspace dot 544 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,840 org. You can reach out and come down and help us out. We'd 545 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,519 be glad to have you on the team. Well, you know, when 546 00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:57,880 you talk about weight loss, isn't any weight loss a major thing? Like 547 00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:04,199 isn't that on a major way to some type of development of something like energy? 548 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,280 You know, you know, depending on how much energy it takes to 549 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:15,039 have this weight loss? Right, Yeah, yeah, weather. So one 550 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:21,320 thing to consider is if you are orienting sub atomic particles like this and making 551 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,320 something weightless and then let's say you were to shoot it up into outer space 552 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,039 and then it comes falling down and there's all that heat and energy and stuff 553 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,840 free energy device not exactly what you're actually getting the energy from. Is you 554 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:43,800 moved Earth's orbit, So maybe it's free energy in a sense that yeah, 555 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,760 you're taking it out of the nature. But you're actually moving Earth's orbit by 556 00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:52,280 getting that free energy. Now that might be useful to some extent. If 557 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,320 we can do this on a large enough scale, maybe we can you know, 558 00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,360 reverse some of the effects of global warming, like pulling Earth into a 559 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:06,159 farther ar but from the Sun. But a bottom line is I am not 560 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,360 a believer in free energy or the free energy devices that are out there, 561 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,400 and people that come down to the lab here and are hoping to build a 562 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,960 free energy device have been sorely disappointed because I'm a firm believer in PSCNNG, 563 00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:24,400 my local utility, and they've provided me with two hundred and eight vaults three 564 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,039 phase electricity, and and they've been very good to me. We have this 565 00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:34,559 little box up here is actually something to clean up the sine wave. And 566 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,239 I'm not worried about power at all. We're looking at ways to spend energy 567 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,519 and convert it into some form of usable thrust without shooting anything else out the 568 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:49,719 back. That's that's my main concern, and we have given thought to what 569 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,400 we'd use as a power supply. I'm eyeing Tyota and their Toyota Marai with 570 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:00,840 hydrogen fuel cells, because when you're combined hydrogen oxygen, you get water as 571 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,800 a byproduct plus electricity, and if you break down an out of space, 572 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,320 water is a pretty good thing to have. Yeah, I guess. So 573 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:13,719 what about Tesla's work? How do you how does does any of that fit 574 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,880 into what you do? Uh? You mean Nicola Tesla or the company Tesla. 575 00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:25,639 No, Nicola, Nicola Tesla and Nicola Tesla famously said that to understand 576 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:30,119 the mere series of the universe, you have to look at resonance and frequency. 577 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:36,559 And I totally agree, yes, and and uh, Tesla Tesla is 578 00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,920 right here by the way. We are in Hawthorne, New Jersey, which 579 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:45,320 is the New Jersey is like the hometown of Tesla and Edison. This is 580 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:52,079 where they this is where the birth of the of the electronic age came from. 581 00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,159 In fact, my my cell phone numbers area code is two oh one. 582 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:00,679 That's the number one area code in the world. Uh, Washington, 583 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,840 d C has two O two, that's the second. That's because Bell Labs 584 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:09,119 started right here in New Jersey and they gave this area the local area the 585 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,199 two to oh one area go. So we're very proud of that. Also, 586 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:17,920 SpaceX is located in Hawthorne, California. They're building rockets. We're in 587 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:24,400 Hawthorne, New Jersey, building warp drives or anagrad. You know, you 588 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:34,159 mentioned earlier the December sixteenth, twenty seventeen, you know, article that came 589 00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:38,159 out in the New York Times that kind of changed a lot of scientists' views 590 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:46,639 on looking into this topic. Do you think that that this will kind of 591 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:52,760 continue to snowball to the point where we're going to find out more information of 592 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:59,599 what the government has known over these many years. We still don't know what 593 00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:06,480 the government knows about the JFK assassination, and so I don't know that we'll 594 00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:10,559 ever truly know what the government knows. But I'll tell you this much. 595 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,400 There's no way in hell that military industrial complex or the government will ever come 596 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:22,599 forward and give you the secret sauce to how flying saucers operate, or even 597 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,599 their own craft that they build operate. There's no way in hell that would 598 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,079 ever happen. The only way it will happen is the only way we'd find 599 00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:36,440 out is through researchers like myself and others who are willing to do the hard 600 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:43,239 work, you know, bring out their soldering irons and fix a thirty four 601 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,039 year old equipment and get this stuff running again and figure it out and open 602 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,519 source it. That's the only way we'll truly know. Have you had any 603 00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:59,000 ridicule for going down this road from outside scientists or I mean a lot of 604 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,360 times I think ridicule has to do with people's fears and things like that. 605 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:19,000 You know, are you accepted in your work? I mean, I don't 606 00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,519 care about being accepted. All I care about is the experiment. So I'm 607 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,599 not really I'm not I'm not really sure whether they accept me or not. 608 00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:32,519 I'm not in this to write science papers and get noble you know, noble 609 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,800 science awards or whatever. I'm in this actually build a craft. So you 610 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:44,239 know this for me, this is this isn't this isn't a an academic endeavor 611 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000 here, this is we're literally trying to build a craft. And you could 612 00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:50,960 see that's part of our that's part of my logo over here as actually a 613 00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,079 flying saucer, and we have saucer shaped craft. We have a spin lathe 614 00:51:54,679 --> 00:52:00,000 on the other side of the shop where we actually form metal into the shape 615 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:04,960 of different saucers. The reason why you'd want the saucer, uh, getting 616 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,920 back to this this paper. A saucer shape is two parabolic antennas attached to 617 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:17,199 each other. And a parabelic antenna is the perfect resonator, the perfect UH 618 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:23,480 reflector for microwave waves. Like that's what you have on that That's what addition 619 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:27,679 antenna is. That's that's what you have on your roof when you're trying to 620 00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,440 connect with UH with satellites. It's a parabelic antenna. That's what you have 621 00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:35,599 inside of a telescope. These these these parabolized two of them, one on 622 00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:40,079 top of each other. They're perfect reflectors of microwave waves. And that that's 623 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:44,400 what you'd want inside of a craft. UH. And and what we're actually 624 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,440 doing is we have two of them, a saucer within a saucer sort of 625 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:52,320 like the the uh Russian doll sets and the space in between us that we're 626 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,960 putting the we're putting the microwave energy, and that's uh, that's where we 627 00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,800 hope the magic is going to happen. Uh. You know some people have 628 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:07,119 said that they've seen you know, uh, like rotating components inside or on 629 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:12,880 the outside of a saucer shaped craft. H you know, like lights that 630 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,559 are you know, like the whole band of it rotating in one way or 631 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:21,719 another, or even you know, counter to counter rotation. And we're just 632 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:27,360 about out of time right here. But would that be any possibility of you 633 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,840 know, propulsion in some type of way, And yeah, yeah, that 634 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:38,519 that that is the possibility of counter rotating static fields. So there's a lot 635 00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:44,920 of ways to achieve dynamic nuclear polarization. One of them is counter rotating fields. 636 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:52,480 Very cold fields with magnet very cold object with a very strong magnetic field 637 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,880 can bring about the same effect. There's many different ways to achieve it, 638 00:53:55,199 --> 00:54:00,920 and counter rotating fields is one of them. It's possibly also part of the 639 00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:07,239 propulsion system. We could speculate from today till tomorrow. But until I run 640 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,719 an experiment and actually try something like that, I wouldn't know for certain. 641 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:14,679 But I can't tell you this much. We have ran a run of experiments 642 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,960 recently with rotating magnetic fields and we didn't see any positive results. We ran 643 00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:25,679 it in a very professional matter, very sensitive equipment that was professionally built here 644 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,639 at the lab on our CNC machine, and we did not see anything other 645 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:35,920 than air currents with just rotating magnetic fields. But they weren't counter rotating I 646 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,639 didn't get to that level yet. Yeah, well, thank you so much. 647 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:43,239 It's been a real pleasure and I really wish you all the best in 648 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,639 your research and I hope to be seeing you in the news someday. And 649 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,599 thanks again, and so Falcon Space. I will have everything linked in this 650 00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:57,639 show, and again I appreciate it, and you take care, live long, 651 00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,760 and prosper. Okay, everyone, we'll be back next week. Thank 652 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,599 you so much for watching and listening, and remember to keep your eyes to 653 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:29,639 the sky.