And welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and I hope
for those of you who celebrate Christmas you had a wonderful one and I hope
you have a great new year. I hope twenty twenty four is a great
one for you. Rounding out this year with a great guest. His name
is Mark Sokel, and he's the founder of Falcon Space. It's a research
on anti gravity, etc. And there's quite a few crossovers to the UFO
world. So I saw him at a so called debate with Lawrence Krause and
Nick Pope, and I was impressed by what the work he's doing. Luckily
he said that he would be on the show and without further ado, even
in a little Christmas Santa Hat, I love it. How you doing Mark,
Merry Christmas everyone. Yes, I'm actually here here in the Falcons based
lab. Yeah, I've seen that. I love the background, so yes,
and it was really great to hear you. Well, it was kind
of disappointing in a way too. Why I'm saying it's disappointing is that,
in my opinion, Kraus was so closed minded at not only of your question,
but when you mentioned a couple of things he was unaware of. He
just moved on in kind of arrogance. I have to say, you know,
and I don't want to this isn't a show about bashing him, but
I really I was rather disappointed. I wouldn't really call it a debate,
a gentleman forsation and with basically by through an intipidation. I do believe that
uh Kraus was sort of running the board there. What do you think in
general? I think that Ethan Kraus at this point is what we call a
debunking grifter. It's somebody who makes money, who makes a living, who
gets his views off of debunking things. Because at this point in time,
you're gonna have a hard time finding somebody who has any credentials who would say
that UFOs and aliens definitely don't exist. You'd have a very hard time finding
out. Ethan Krause was probably one of on a very short list of people,
one of the only people who was willing to get on that debate stage
and make it a debate and not just a monologue. And you know,
Nick Pope, for his you know part, is always the gentleman. He
tries to always be the gentleman. When you see him in more you know,
open minded debates or conversations, he's a little bit you know, more
with with the other guests that are with him. But Ethan Krauss definitely takes
the cherry on the top for being the most closed minded person I've ever met
in this subject, especially in today's age. You know, when Congress is
passing a bill to release alien bodies and UFOs and there's there's fights going on
about how many of them are going to be released and whatnot, and he's
getting onto a stage and saying they're definitely not real and I'm one hundred percent
certain of it. No scientist ever says one hundred percent there's no such thing
in science. It's not me, that's that's not real science at all.
Yeah. Yeah, I was rather shocked, and you know, I mean
it kind of took me. Uh, you know, I was taken aback
by just how he was reacting to all of that and proclaiming, you know,
one thing right after another. Basically, you know, when one of
the things he said, now, I may be totally wrong in this because
I'm not a physicist in any type of way, but he said that that
these things can't be defying physics, that the basic physics that we know,
they can't be. They have to build upon that. And to me,
my thing has always been maybe they figured out something in physics that we don't
know, you know, I mean as of yet. I mean it's physics.
We don't know everything is to know about physics as far as I know.
I mean, there's always definitely don't We definitely do not know everything about
physics. I mean, it wasn't until one hundred years ago that we freaking
figured out how the Sun works, you know, through through fusion. That
was with Albert Einstein, Eagles MC square And if you go back in history
of science, I don't know if your your your viewers are familiar with the
concept of logiston. That was, you know, to explain how fire,
you know, can re energize iron. Actually it's not re energizing, it's
just removing oxygen. But until we figured that out, that was the dogma,
that's what was taught. That's what all the PhDs were getting their degrees
in for logistic theory until it was thrown out by evidence. That's how science
moves forward, one funeral at a time. And we might have to wait
for Ethan Kraus's funeral to move forward a little bit, because that is such
a closed minded view on science. He didn't know the difference between inertial mass
and gravitational mass. There was so many flaws in everything that he was saying.
He said that nobody ever took a picture of it on a cell phone.
I personally have seen cell phone images on the cell phone that it was
taken many times from friends of mine of these craft. Like, he said
so many things that were wrong. Honestly, when I came up to ask
him a question, my question originally was going to be Ethan, how big
is the rock that you live under? And do you ever come up to
breathe? But I took the more diplomatic route and started talking about the science
instead, And then he said that there's no serious sciences that would investigate this
thing. Well, I was glad to tell him that I am actually one
of them, and we have a lab within driving distance and if you want,
we'll give him a ride there right now and show him an actual anti
gravity lab within a half an hour drive from where that debate took place.
Also, there is a conference that we started called apex the Alternative Propulsion Engineering
Conference. It goes on every two weeks and there's either an open bike or
an organized presenter. We had one on the twenty third, and then every
the next two week week we'd have an open mic session where anyone who's working
on this stuff, who's just getting into the field can come and you know,
exchange ideas and such. All the top physicists and engineers that are willing
to talk on this subject have been at This EIGHTPEC conference has been going on
for three years now with over two hundred percenters from all ranges of the scientific
community, from do it yourself for his garage hobbyists, DARPA contractors. We
have Lockeed Martin, skunk Works, and SpaceX people who have been on in
various degrees, mit OL, diferent colleges. Lots of NASA falk had been
on and both presented and talked about their work. NASA had several anti gravity
esque research groups throughout the years in Huntsville, Alabama and in Nashville, Tennessee's
organizations, and they they would usually run them for like a year or two,
so the research never got far along. But we do have published papers
from NASA on anti gravity esque effects that were discovered there, So you know,
there's a real debate as to why this wasn't research further. But yeah,
there's a large community of people that are that are researching this stuff.
We obviously see these craft flying in the air doing ninety degree turns at ten
thousand malls an hour, which our current physics, which is obviously wrong,
can't explain. So we need new physics for that, right And can anybody
watch these Is this like a live stream that you had to do a live
stream conference or is this a private conference you're talking about, Oh, these
are live streams. So you can go to Altpropulsion dot com a ltpropulsion dot
com and you can sign up for the newsletter. You'd get an email with
a link to either a zoom link for the open mic, or you'd get
a YouTube link for the organized discussions, and that would include you know,
the presenter's name. I'll give you a brief synopsis of what he's presenting about.
There's gonna be a Q and A we take questions from YouTube live chat.
We're able to see them and ask the presenter when there's enough time,
and then you know, we go on to the next presenter, and then
there's you know, live updates from different labs, including my own, and
I'll get to them a little bit. And it's really just a great way
of bringing the community together of alternative propulsion researchers. And this runs the gamut
anywhere from inertial propulsion, which is throwing masses around, electromagnetic propulsion like David
Perez's quantum electrodynamic drive. We have electrostatic propulsion, which the Exodus company down
in Florida's working on. There's also IVO. It's a company that recently launched.
They were kind of secretive about it, but they launched a satellite just
recently in the last few weeks into lower orbit with one of their thrusters on
board, and are trying to do a proof of concept of a propellantless propulsion
concept in outer space. By the way, when I'm using the term anti
gravity, that's like a colloquial term to cover anything that can move without send
something out the of direction. Propellerless propulsion is really what we're talking about.
I see, Okay, Well, I will link that down in the show
notes and also in the text of this show itself, because I want people
to be able to participate in that. That's great. And so what I'm
assuming that perhaps you worked somewhere doing a related work and you decided to found
you know too, you founded this company, Falcon Space. I'm going to
pull up the website on the screen here. So I guess what made you
decide to take the leap between you know? What you may have been doing
in this? Was it COVID? Like everything, everybody says COVID had something
to do with it, But how long? How long have you had this
as well? So COVID was definitely a catalyst, you know, it helped
speed things up, but the concepts and the work was outally going on before
the pandemic hit. So I originally had a company called Falcon Hybrid where I
would refurbish hybrid batteries. It's a company that I started myself refurbishing hybrid batteries.
I built the equipment to refurbish those batteries because the equipment didn't exist.
Learned a lot about electricity, AC and DC, basic engineering, three D
printing, all that stuff, and at a certain point I realized that these
you know, I read the book by it's his name, the second in
command of the Pentagon the day after Roswell by Philip J. Corso, and
that sort of got me convinced that, yeah, these aliens are real,
the technology is real. And then I saw the New York Times article December
sixteenth, twenty seventeen that basically blew the lid off of this a tip program
from the Pentagon that's re investigating UFOs again. And at the same time,
I was also a subscriber to Gaya for I'm sure many of your viewers are
familiar with Gaya dot com, which is basically the Netflix for all things spiritual,
yoga, aliens, disclosure, all that mix together. And there was
an episode on there from a guy called Corey Good, extremely controversial almost and
nothing he says is verifiable. But one thing he did say, and this
happened right after the December sixteenth, twenty seventeenth event, was that on that
day he was on a spaceship translating for raws Haar Air the Sphere being Alliance,
telling the Galactic Federation that the you know, the surveillance of Earth and
the great experiment that they're doing here is over. Earth has come of age.
And at that point I realized the men in Black are not going to
come after you anymore. You're not gonna get stand mired. It's open field
for anyone who wants to investigate this stuff and go for it. And that
has actually been my experience ever since. And I started, you know,
just just with the basics, you know, the electrogravitics, the lifters,
the gravity capacitor concepts, you know, just started dabbling in it. And
I started reaching out to other community members, people who are interested in this
stuff, and found more people who are, you know, on the hardware
end of things, which is really what I'm after is the hardware. Less
of the theory, more of the hardware. Actually run an experiment and show
me something that works, and it's slowly built up from there. We got
we got funding from from many different sources, and I was able to close
down the battery business intern of you know that what used to be a battery
hybrid battery refurbishment shop into a anti gravity research lab. And that's where I'm
in right now. We have we have a room size farity cage right over
here. I have a march generator that can put out a four foot lightning
bolt. We have extremely powerful lasers, magnets, all all the kind of
tools you'd want, UH in order to investigate anti gravity, including many of
the stuff that were used to investigate anti gravity by UH the United States premier
laboratories in Los Alamos and San Dia. Actually, the equipment right behind me
over here, this RF amplifier came from Sandia National Labs. It was literally
pulled out of their dump It was literally pulled out of their dumpster and sold
on eBay and I got and I got two palate folds of them, so
we have and you quite literally that's where that's that's literally where it came from.
And actually one of the the the the amplifiers that I have right under
my desk over here, it's called space I would read it. Actually,
Yeah, Space Research Instruments. That's that. That's what they named their kind
company when they built these RF amplifiers for what essentially is a space drive.
Interesting, Well, you know, gravity is such a puzzle, isn't it?
I mean, is that is this something that you think will eventually be
solved? What gravity really is? I think it will eventually be solved,
And I'm not I'm not sure that even my experiments will answer that question.
Because I have one experiment going on that's behind me. I showed you some
of the equipment before that. So far, every time I explain the theory
to a new physicist who enters the field, they say, oh, no,
no, no, that's that can't work, that's wrong because of X,
Y and Z. And then I explained the experiment. Okay, this
is the experiment that he proposes to try, and then he's then they're like
this. I think for a moment like, oh, that might work and
because of my theory, and they give me their whole theory as to why
the experiment would work. And so far I have like six or seven of
those different theories as to why this experiment would work. So yeah, even
if it works, there's still going to be a debate as to why it
worked. But we're more concentrated on the how to make it better, how
to get to that, you know, ninety three return at ten thousand miles
an hour and populate Mars and mind the asteroid belt. That's kind of what
we're after here. Well, I had someone a guest on that he was
a physicist or an engineer, I can't remember exactly what he was, but
he had thought that this was up several years Ago. I don't even remember
his name right now, but that he figured out the propulsion of you know,
UAP what we used to call UFOs, which I still like to call
UFOs. That one of the things I do remember him saying. He says,
it's like falling. It's like, uh, you you won't feel it's
like always falling with the gravity, and that way they wouldn't feel the ninety
degree angle. I don't know if you understand any of what I'm trying to
say. Oh yeah, you're you're trying to explain the the high level concept
of warp drive where they take the paper and they fold it and they stick
a pen through it and and and call that a wormhole or Einstein rosen Bridge
and all that. Those those are theories that are extremely they're they're they're they're
completely disconnected from reality. Okay, reality is uh wires, cables, stuff
you can buy on eBay and Amazon, connecting it together, getting measurements,
programming lab view and seeing weight loss that's or seeing thrust. That's reality.
When you start talking about all these theories, theory is very cheap. And
if you go to APEX, you will hear lots and lots of theory.
Okay, we try to make it an engineering conference. That's why it has
the word engineering in it. But there is easily one hundred or a thousand
times more theory than there is engineering. That's because engineering is very expensive.
It's very difficult, it's time consuming, it's energy consuming. It takes multidiscipline
to UH to learn how to fix these things. I get pieces of equipment
in here that I don't even know what they do, but I know that
I need them, and then I have to figure out how to fix them
because they don't work. You need to be able to attack this with an
open mind, auto didactically learning what it is that you need to learn.
In order to move the ball forward with a theory, all you have to
do is write scribble stuff on paper. That's what we have a whiteboard for.
Actually, we have a whiteboard over here, and sometimes when these theorists
come into the lab, all they do is scribble on the whiteboard. I'm
like, hey, can you help me lift this piece of equipment up?
We need to put it over there, and they're like, I gotta scribble
this, and we stap a picture of it and go onto my phone into
a special folder and it's just forgotten because all the theory in the world will
never get you there. You have to actually put something together and build it
right. But you have to have the thought first to understand where you're going.
And with that in mind, how you know, I mean, Lawrence
Krauss during that so called debate mentioned about the space you know, like when
the two galaxies are colliding, that we won't actually hit. And I understand
that because there's so much space in between, you know, stars and all
that. But how is the thought that these things could get here from wherever
they're coming from and actually say a short amount of time and above light travel
light speed travel? Okay, Well, first of all, something that's moving
at the speed of light is moving instantaneously from its perspective. Okay, The
theory of relativity teaches us that as you go closer to the speed of light,
time goes down to zero. So for a photon that left the Sun
and flies to a distant galaxy its perspective, the time to travel to get
to that distant galaxy is close to zero. From the distant galaxy looking at
the photon, it will be billions of years, and it's incremental ninety nine
percent of speed of light, it would be millions of years, ninety nine
point nine, it will be hundreds of thousands. Every nine that you add
exponentially increases that ratio of zero to a billion, you know, zero a
billion years. But as you get really close to the speed of light,
your time literally drops to zero. So reaching the speed of light is all
you really need. And if you reach the speed of light, you will
get to Alpha centauri in zero seconds. You would get there instantaneously, quite
literally, if you're literally at it, If you're at one point zero zero
the speed of light, if you're at point nine nine nine nine nine,
it might take you a couple of days. With that in mind, can
you actually go into the future, Well, theoretically it's possible if you were
to, if you're able to get the mass of the craft down to zero.
This is just something we haven't talked about yet. Science doesn't even know
where mass comes from. Science does not know where inertial mass comes from.
The reason why objects weigh anything in the first place, the reason why you
can't do the ninety degree turn on ten thousand miles an hour. Oh they'll
they'll throw out, Oh yeah, it's inertia. Newton understood that yet,
but until now we still do not understand where that force actually comes from.
What is stopping the matter from doing that motion? If you think about it,
is energy, and energy is the movement of matter. So where does
this inertia come from? And I came up with a pretty simple theory to
explain it. It's basically, if you look at gyrou If you look at
an atom, the mass is stored in the core of the atom. The
electrons on the outside dictate how it interacts with other atoms and with matter and
light. That's why things are different colors. My shirt is black because the
electrons, not because of the core of the atom in there now. In
the core of the atom, though, dictates the weight of the atom itself.
So the mass is in the protons and the neutrons. What are protons
and neutrons? Basically, they're electromagnetic energy that's spun in on itself, spinning
at the speed of light. This energy is rotating around extremely quickly, and
it's not just rotating nicely like a gyroscope on one plane. It's the axis
of a rotation is wabbling in many different directions simultaneously, and that crazy wobble
that's going on over there, the chaotic wabbles of sub atomic particles. Imagine
if you had a gyroscope in your hand that was doing all these crazy wobbles
simultaneously, and you tried to move it through space, what you'd end up
doing is changing the wabbles of the subtomic of that gyroscope. The wobbles will
change because you're moving it through space. The same thing happens in the sub
on a subatomical level. When you take a baseball and you throw it,
the sub atomic particles of every atom that make up that baseball, their wobbles
have just changed, and that is where inertia is stored. Now, the
tricks to get rid of inertia, or to hide, you know, the
mass from the effects of inertia, is to orient the subatomic particles spins so
that they're all oriented along long that one axis, and at which point you're
free to move it along the plane or along the axis of rotation, just
like any gyroscope that's you know they hold in your hand, that's turning nicely.
That's how flying saucers seem to operate. Also, they seem to wobble
a bit like this that's like a gyroscope. That's a gyroscopic motion. They
also cannot do a barrel roll. They're only flying like that. In fact,
many viewers who have seen flying saucers report them slowly changing their orientation before
they shoot off in a new direction. That's because they need physical thrusters of
some sort in order to change that mass into the new orientation. Along this
orientation, they're weightless, but to change this they need an equivalent thruster in
the other direction. And to do that, oh, go ahead, yeah,
to do that. We actually have this science paper which is peer reviewed
and published at the Joint Propulsion Conference in Colorado Springs, Colorado, AI double
a peer review. This guy was working for OWING at the time and I
Gravity with Present Technology, Implementation and theoretical Foundation by Frederick Alzafon. This paper
describes a process that's talked about in this book Dynamic Nuclear Orientation by C.
D. Jeffries, which shows you many different ways of actually achieving this sub
atomic particle nuclear orientation. By the way, when Dave, the way this
book was actually found is David's son of Frederick's son. David found this book
in a used library and it describes an encounter with a UFO where an a
wax plane, one of those radar Navy planes, came in close contact with
a flying saucer and got actual data from the from the craft, saw that
it was pulsing this three megahertz pulse, that two hundred repetitions per se second.
And Uh, that was supposed to be part of Project Blue Book,
but it was removed at the last moment because that was empirical data, that
was actionable data on the propulsion system of these crafts, and it was classified
because the entire secret of UFOs and aliens has nothing to do with aliens,
has everything to do with the propulsion system. And you know, the the
this what's going on behind me is the secret to t UFOs and aliens.
It has nothing to do with the fact that you know there there. They
don't They don't care about the the the people freaking out, or war of
the worlds or all that. What they really care about is the science.
It's the propulsion system, it's the money, it's the control and and uh
when when so when Frederick read that report in this book, he went to
a science library, uh, looking for a peculiar state of matter that he
remember reading about in some place, and this book literally fell off the show
onto the floor in front of him as he was walking through the library like
interstellar style. Somebody came through the black hole and pushed it off the shelf,
and it happens to be the Holy Crail. And it's the only book
written on this subject since then. It's published in nineteen sixty three, and
it references a lot of papers that are from the early nineteen fifties, which
was the heyday of research into this field. So just to give you a
concept of what we're doing here. Nuclear magnetic resonance is what an MRI machine
uses. That's the most common people have the most experience with that. It's
at the megahertz range, extremely powerful magnets. When you break a bone or
a cartilage or whatever, you go to the hospital, you get MRI.
It's kind of expensive, big machine, whole room, no metal on you.
Okay, that's exciting the entire atom to a certain resonance point and then
releasing that expectation, and then the atom sort of goes back to its lower
energy state and releases something back, an rf tweak chirp that the machine picks
up and that makes an image out of it. That's one form of resonance.
There's a higher level of resonance called EPR electron paramagnetic resonance. That's where
we're using the outer electron spins, not just their spins, their procession,
the procession of their spin. Like Earth rotates once per day, three hundred
and sixty five times a year, and its procession of the axis happens every
twenty five nine hundred or so years. Very rarely does Earth make a full
procession, but the an electron that's rotating around an atom at the speed of
light does that billions or not, if not trillions of times a second,
depending on which bans you're looking at. And in order to get the the
spins coherent enough to actually latch onto you have to have a magnetic field.
So you start off with a magnetic field that sort of orients the electron spins,
and then and then you can excite them at that exacutl or more frequency
that the precession frequency and energize it a little bit, and then it transfers
that energy to the core of the atom in the form of a spin orientation,
and you could slowly build up this spin orientation until you're until the craft
essentially becomes weightless. Now, this happens at the microwave range, the X
band C band of microwaves. And if you remember from the Roswell case,
they talked about how a special radar system was being used and possibly helped down
the craft. That's because these craft were emitting these microwaves which had to do
with their inertial propulsion inertial mass cancelation system. Now, if you were to
shoot something at them that was slightly off that frequency, it would interrupt it
and instead of losing weight, they'd start gaining weight. And the craft I
only had enough thrust to thrust maybe one percent of the weight of the craft
of the actual weight of the craft, So as soon as it lost it's
you know, ninety nine point nine percent, you know, weight loss,
it'll come crashing down. That's how they were able to take down a craft
from Zeta Reticuli or wherever it came from. They're able to take it down
with just a radar gun because that's how the craft actually works. Wow,
yeah, there is a theory. You hear quite a bit about the radar
situation. So how would a living being be in side of a craft like
that, with all the alignment with the wouldn't the being itself have to also
align all the molecular structure to also so it doesn't become mush Uh. That's
a good question, and we're going to answer that through experiment. But right
now, the theory sort of point to yes, they'll get anything that's inside
a craft that's being oriented on just the hull would also be oriented as well.
Now how living you know, DNA replication and all that stuff will happen
while you're in the craft. That's those are those are questions that we need
to answer through experiment. Yeah, and another thing you mentioned the propulsion.
Could the propulsion be detected by say infrared, because you know, like the
TIC TAC and other UFOs that have been detected through radar and also for through
the flear photography have said there's no uh, there's no heat heat signature for
propulsion of any kind. So how how does that all fit in? So
dynamic nuclear orientation or this this study is actually the cold side of nuclear physics.
So nuclear physics has the hot end that's adam bomb nuclear fission infusion.
This is the cold end and actually many of the processes here are much better
off at you know, near absolute zero. In fact, some of the
processes are used to cool materials down to near absolute zero, so it's possible
that this process would actually cool down the surface of the craft rather than heated
up. Because what we're really doing is we're removing entropy. We're removing all
of this crazy chaotic energy that is what gives it inertia in the first place.
We're taking away the inertia by getting rid of entropy and creating order,
and that, in theory, should also make things lighter or cooler. Also
another interesting point, why can't you can't Why can't you punch your hand through
a wall? Why can't you walk through a wall? Because the atoms in
your hand the abs of your body, not the atoms. The electrons that
spin around the atoms interact with the electrons to spin around the atoms of the
wall. It's not the atoms themselves. Just like Ethan Krause correctly stated,
if if the Andromeda galaxy were to interact with our galaxy, almost nothing would
touch. But the reason and and the Andromeda galaxy and the wall over here
have two things, has something in common that the atoms would be like the
solar systems, and the electrons are like the orc clouds and you know,
go much farther out than that. So the the the actual interaction of atom
to adam when you try to walk through the wall is not happening. It's
the electrons that are interacting. And if you were able to orient the electrons,
just the electrons so that they're all oriented on one plane, you would
theoretically be able to walk through a wall. And that's what we've seen with
aliens actually walking through walls during their abductions. They have a special little thing
you know, on their body that you know makes the uh keeps this orientation
field going, and they're able to just walk through matter. Craft have seen
been seen going through the sides of mountains like Mount Shasta in California. So
yeah, you know, these are these are all things to think about the
things that we take for granted in our daily life, like inertial mass you
know, the fact that you can't walk through a wall even you know,
science needs to explain why you can't do it in order to get to the
answer of how you can do it right, And there's so much empty space,
you know, like and you know, I mean, it's just amazing.
I think I heard that if you took all the empty space. I
forget what the Earth would be if all the empty space, but yeah,
something like that, which is really quite amazing in general. And they don't
even know that it would be a tennis ball. That's just the limits of
instrumentation. That's the that's a that is Yeah. Getting back to that book
that was published in nineteen sixty three, could you give out the title to
that one more time please? So it's Dynamic Nuclear Orientation by C. D.
Jeffries. And this is available online as a PDF. But the PDF
is a picture of the pages. It's kind of difficult to read. This
book is hard enough to read even in its hard payper form. It's pretty
expensive to get it like this. And as you can see here, we
have many of these tabs that were put in there. These tabs were actually
I had the head physicist of the Albany State University come down to the lab.
And this is a physics professor who gives presentations, who gives PhD lectures
on electron para, magnetic residents and NMR. And he came down to the
lab over here by invitation we invited him down here and asked him to help
us out. And he has never ever seen this book before. He's heard
of dynamic nuclear orientation in passing, he's never looked into it. So he's
very interested and asked He asked me, what can I do to help?
I said, read this book and find me relevant you know things, because
most of this stuff I don't even understand. I'm slowly starting to pick some
of it up, but it's it's extremely intense. Here we have actual highlighted
points. So he came down here and stick a bunch of tabs in the
book and highlighted some stuff that led us to some other papers that were we
downloaded. This one I actually found using a variation of chat GPT, and
it talks about a different a way to use light to increase the effect using
electron triplet states. But this is what real research looks like. You know,
physicists that are scrolling equations on whiteboards. You know, it became a
thing in physics after Einstein got you know, reck nice for the work that
he did and on the most of the work that he did was scribbling on
a whiteboard. So so science sort of like followed after that and thought,
oh, maybe we can get more, you know, more noble prizes by
scribbling on whiteboards. But it turns out, up until Einstein, most of
the physicists were actually doing the hard work. They were doing experiments. You
look at what was her name, the madame. The name the name elluds
me for a moment, but the discoverer of radio radian raid On. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't think of her either, but yeah,
yeah, so she she did the hard work. They were mashing.
They were mashing material, the part that pit mass in order to get to
this tiny amount of rate on that they discovered, and that that was considered
physics. Nowadays they have all these string theorists that think that they could just
throw equations out and scribble them on whiteboards and write papers about it, and
they call it physics, which is really not just it's it's just theory,
right right. So when it comes to the basic down to what happened with
the bill that just passed. Originally there was in there. I don't know
if you followed any of that, but the Schumer rounds I did have you
know, imminent domain in it, and that is that was mysteriously taken out
and the only reason, you know, I've said this on my show before,
the only reason that would be removed is if there was something to hide.
I can't understand why. If there was nothing hide and nothing to take
in these private corporations, why on earth would they bother to even remove that?
That's my question. But if these things do exist in private hands,
you mentioned Lockheed Martin, perhaps places like that that they may exist, do
you think that they would be able to reverse engineer them? I mean,
they seem it seems like such a complicated thing. It's not complicated at all.
Not complicated at all. No. No, Actually, the equipment that
I have here is a lot of this stuff was built before I was born,
and I think they reverse engineer this. Back in the early fifties or
nineteen fifty four is when they first the alien reproduction apparently first flew, and
I believe it. I believe that they could have made a pretty rudimentary anti
gravity craft using technology meet on Earth of the time, the process of electron
pawa magnetic resonance, the Overhouser effect that was discovered in nineteen fifty three.
At least the papers were in nineteen fifty three, so it was probably a
little earlier than that. So this all came out of World War Two.
So the Germans were using U boats to down our stuff and that sort of
pushed forward the research into radar or sonar and radar, and the equipment that
came out of World War two was what pushed the discoveries of electron parwa magnetic
residence and nuclear power magnetic resonances into the forefront of scientific research. Because the
equipment is now available. Science usually progresses one new instrument at a time.
Galileo with his telescope and the nuclear realm with radar equipment, because that's basically
what you need. And once they discovered all of those resonances, they had
the best scientists and engineers in the country on the project. At the time,
country was in boom mode. They had all the resources in the world
that they needed to push this science for it in the early fifties. This
happened well before we were both born. And this is the technology is well
on its way. We're at Falcon Space. We're proud to say we're reinventing
the wheel here. This has already been discovered. So with that in mind,
would you think that some of what people are seeing flying around as UFOs
or something that is that the government actually has out there flying around. Yeah.
Yeah, Actually I know the facility in California where they're made. It's
off of the I five in Central California. I get you the aid the
address if you want. It's a massive facility that's shared between Northrop Grumman,
Lockey Martin, and Boeing and a lot of the people that work there don't
even know what they're doing because it's so compartmentalized. But yeah, that's where
they built the TR three B, the Flying Triangle and similar craft. My
nephew saw one of them flying into McGuire Air Force Base just a couple of
months ago. I mean, these craft are totally A lot of them are
hours. I wouldn't be surprised if the tic TAC was ours, but not
hours as in the military. It's ours as in human made, but it's
as there was a split in civilization. There was a breakaway civilization in the
fifties when this technology was discovered because the military industrial complex kept the lid on
it. It wasn't government and because they were doing that, they started communicating
with aliens and making deals with extraterrestrials, trading with them, fighting wars for
them, if you believe some of the stuff from Corey Good and friends,
and yeah, it's really crazy what's been going on without our knowledge and without
government oversight, which is why the Schumer Rounds Amendment. The people who you
know, Schumer Arounds and all the others, Timbershett, all those congressmen and
senators were so pissed off because they should be in charge of these things,
but they're not. It's the military industrial complex, and I don't think a
president has had any control over this since Eisenhower. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
not so much sure what I believe about some of the things that Corey Good
has come out with over the years. You know, I personally that's just
my own personal opinion. I'm not really sure. But the fact that they
would have this technology or any type of technology like this and keep it under
the lid, I think is pretty would be pretty amazing. Especially you know,
it seems like you'd hear more like deathbed confessions when people have nothing to
lose. Yeah, we hear a lot of those. We do hear a
lot of those. Boyd Bushman had a death bet profession, Philip J.
Corso had a deathbed confession in the form of an entire book. There's lots
of deathbed confessions that have come out, but the car parnamentalization of these projects,
uh makes it such that there's very few people who understand the science on
a deep enough level to to truly, you know, piece it all together.
I have spoken to a high level Army official who worked for the Army
Lab Research Group, and I asked him about the alzaphon experiment. I was
actually going to ask him in front of an entire audience, and they cut
me off. So then I went backstage and asked him about it, and
he said that, yes, they actually ran that experiment back in the eighties
and the results are classified. So yeah, can you that that's the experiment
that I'm running back here? Oh, I say, yeah, they're they're
they're telling me that the results of this experiment have been classified. So we're
running this experiment live on air, and we we try to do it live
on air. It's pretty sometimes it takes a pretty long time to get to
get set up and running, but we've seen up to eighteen or seventeen point
eight percent weight loss on it and It really comes down to how well you
can orient the subtimic particles, and there's different tricks and ways to up that
number, but we're we're doing our best. And if anyone out there is
an NMR or an EPR expert and wants to get their hands dirty, definitely
reach out to us. You know, falconspace dot org or market falconspace dot
org. You can reach out and come down and help us out. We'd
be glad to have you on the team. Well, you know, when
you talk about weight loss, isn't any weight loss a major thing? Like
isn't that on a major way to some type of development of something like energy?
You know, you know, depending on how much energy it takes to
have this weight loss? Right, Yeah, yeah, weather. So one
thing to consider is if you are orienting sub atomic particles like this and making
something weightless and then let's say you were to shoot it up into outer space
and then it comes falling down and there's all that heat and energy and stuff
free energy device not exactly what you're actually getting the energy from. Is you
moved Earth's orbit, So maybe it's free energy in a sense that yeah,
you're taking it out of the nature. But you're actually moving Earth's orbit by
getting that free energy. Now that might be useful to some extent. If
we can do this on a large enough scale, maybe we can you know,
reverse some of the effects of global warming, like pulling Earth into a
farther ar but from the Sun. But a bottom line is I am not
a believer in free energy or the free energy devices that are out there,
and people that come down to the lab here and are hoping to build a
free energy device have been sorely disappointed because I'm a firm believer in PSCNNG,
my local utility, and they've provided me with two hundred and eight vaults three
phase electricity, and and they've been very good to me. We have this
little box up here is actually something to clean up the sine wave. And
I'm not worried about power at all. We're looking at ways to spend energy
and convert it into some form of usable thrust without shooting anything else out the
back. That's that's my main concern, and we have given thought to what
we'd use as a power supply. I'm eyeing Tyota and their Toyota Marai with
hydrogen fuel cells, because when you're combined hydrogen oxygen, you get water as
a byproduct plus electricity, and if you break down an out of space,
water is a pretty good thing to have. Yeah, I guess. So
what about Tesla's work? How do you how does does any of that fit
into what you do? Uh? You mean Nicola Tesla or the company Tesla.
No, Nicola, Nicola Tesla and Nicola Tesla famously said that to understand
the mere series of the universe, you have to look at resonance and frequency.
And I totally agree, yes, and and uh, Tesla Tesla is
right here by the way. We are in Hawthorne, New Jersey, which
is the New Jersey is like the hometown of Tesla and Edison. This is
where they this is where the birth of the of the electronic age came from.
In fact, my my cell phone numbers area code is two oh one.
That's the number one area code in the world. Uh, Washington,
d C has two O two, that's the second. That's because Bell Labs
started right here in New Jersey and they gave this area the local area the
two to oh one area go. So we're very proud of that. Also,
SpaceX is located in Hawthorne, California. They're building rockets. We're in
Hawthorne, New Jersey, building warp drives or anagrad. You know, you
mentioned earlier the December sixteenth, twenty seventeen, you know, article that came
out in the New York Times that kind of changed a lot of scientists' views
on looking into this topic. Do you think that that this will kind of
continue to snowball to the point where we're going to find out more information of
what the government has known over these many years. We still don't know what
the government knows about the JFK assassination, and so I don't know that we'll
ever truly know what the government knows. But I'll tell you this much.
There's no way in hell that military industrial complex or the government will ever come
forward and give you the secret sauce to how flying saucers operate, or even
their own craft that they build operate. There's no way in hell that would
ever happen. The only way it will happen is the only way we'd find
out is through researchers like myself and others who are willing to do the hard
work, you know, bring out their soldering irons and fix a thirty four
year old equipment and get this stuff running again and figure it out and open
source it. That's the only way we'll truly know. Have you had any
ridicule for going down this road from outside scientists or I mean a lot of
times I think ridicule has to do with people's fears and things like that.
You know, are you accepted in your work? I mean, I don't
care about being accepted. All I care about is the experiment. So I'm
not really I'm not I'm not really sure whether they accept me or not.
I'm not in this to write science papers and get noble you know, noble
science awards or whatever. I'm in this actually build a craft. So you
know this for me, this is this isn't this isn't a an academic endeavor
here, this is we're literally trying to build a craft. And you could
see that's part of our that's part of my logo over here as actually a
flying saucer, and we have saucer shaped craft. We have a spin lathe
on the other side of the shop where we actually form metal into the shape
of different saucers. The reason why you'd want the saucer, uh, getting
back to this this paper. A saucer shape is two parabolic antennas attached to
each other. And a parabelic antenna is the perfect resonator, the perfect UH
reflector for microwave waves. Like that's what you have on that That's what addition
antenna is. That's that's what you have on your roof when you're trying to
connect with UH with satellites. It's a parabelic antenna. That's what you have
inside of a telescope. These these these parabolized two of them, one on
top of each other. They're perfect reflectors of microwave waves. And that that's
what you'd want inside of a craft. UH. And and what we're actually
doing is we have two of them, a saucer within a saucer sort of
like the the uh Russian doll sets and the space in between us that we're
putting the we're putting the microwave energy, and that's uh, that's where we
hope the magic is going to happen. Uh. You know some people have
said that they've seen you know, uh, like rotating components inside or on
the outside of a saucer shaped craft. H you know, like lights that
are you know, like the whole band of it rotating in one way or
another, or even you know, counter to counter rotation. And we're just
about out of time right here. But would that be any possibility of you
know, propulsion in some type of way, And yeah, yeah, that
that that is the possibility of counter rotating static fields. So there's a lot
of ways to achieve dynamic nuclear polarization. One of them is counter rotating fields.
Very cold fields with magnet very cold object with a very strong magnetic field
can bring about the same effect. There's many different ways to achieve it,
and counter rotating fields is one of them. It's possibly also part of the
propulsion system. We could speculate from today till tomorrow. But until I run
an experiment and actually try something like that, I wouldn't know for certain.
But I can't tell you this much. We have ran a run of experiments
recently with rotating magnetic fields and we didn't see any positive results. We ran
it in a very professional matter, very sensitive equipment that was professionally built here
at the lab on our CNC machine, and we did not see anything other
than air currents with just rotating magnetic fields. But they weren't counter rotating I
didn't get to that level yet. Yeah, well, thank you so much.
It's been a real pleasure and I really wish you all the best in
your research and I hope to be seeing you in the news someday. And
thanks again, and so Falcon Space. I will have everything linked in this
show, and again I appreciate it, and you take care, live long,
and prosper. Okay, everyone, we'll be back next week. Thank
you so much for watching and listening, and remember to keep your eyes to
the sky.