1 00:00:26,679 --> 00:00:30,359 Split your lungs with blood and glitter. To quote Sam Dignot's Twitter joke. 2 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,200 Hello everybody, and welcome to that Star Matter, your eternal rock and heavy 3 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,920 metal podcast. We are here with you every Friday. We'll be let you 4 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,159 know what's going on in the world of heavy music, and on a daylight 5 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,840 to day as well, we are reviewing some of the best, most important, 6 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,280 most noteworthy records that are coming out right now. I'm parent hash, 7 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:48,079 Sam Dignon is here, and Elliot Paisley is here as well. Are you 8 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:52,640 guys prepared to dive into all we have to offer today? Yeah, like, 9 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,320 um, big out, not big albums, but really good albums this 10 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,520 week. It's kind of one of those us, isn't it for reviews where 11 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,799 you know, none of that the real like being najo hitters, but like 12 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,359 on both like ends of like spectrum. Yeah, like these are like, 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,239 oh, these are the heavy hitters that we want to talk about, mostly 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,040 really good albums. I would say we are going to be reviewing the new 15 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:21,680 album from the Dirty Nil Cattle, Decapitation, Frozen Soul, Immortal Drain, 16 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,519 and Hot Mulligan. If you didn't understand what the hell my opening reference was, 17 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,799 it's obviously because you weren't watching Eurovision, which actually again was relevant to 18 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,680 us. This year, we've we've stepped it up from like you know, 19 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:37,239 we went from maniskin Oh they look a bit like greater An Fleete to man 20 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,519 who used to be in breastplussed by Broken Heart almost winning too a lot this 21 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:44,359 year, but before that I had a weird relationship with it because if you're 22 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:46,959 not aware, I live in Liverpool, where the contest was staged this year, 23 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,239 but I was kind of milling in and out of the city while the 24 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:52,959 week's events were happening because I was going to do actual metal things such as 25 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,879 the weekend of the competition, I continued my run of like cool black metal 26 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,040 showers I've been at because I hopped over to Leeds to see the touring package 27 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,400 of Devil Master the Lamp of Murmur, which I was just not going to 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,760 miss. That's two of the bands I'm most into right now and it was 29 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,199 amazing, just all sorts of goss and goblins hanging out. Lamp of Murmur 30 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,520 was my second time seeing them, but this was even better than last year, 31 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:15,199 Like the band was tighter, the set that's felt more like hits where 32 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,039 like those tunes from the new record, so RIFFI and righteous, like Seal 33 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,639 the Dominator with that big crunch like foot on them on at the thing sounds 34 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,199 absolutely amazing. And then they were throwing in like Dominatrix's cool from the last 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,520 like Goffie record, when they've got amazing like susing the Vanchee style riff switching 36 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,280 there, and suddenly you're just dancing in the middle of like a netgro black 37 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:35,879 metal set. Properly brilliant to see a band that's, you know, a 38 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,280 full on corpse paint and medieval chainmail over their faces type deal, but seeing 39 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:46,319 that played with like so much actual passion and conviction where it reminds you, 40 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,319 like why that stuff is invigorating in the first place, and not just you 41 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,560 know, some kind of cartoon cliche. Even though there was a special moment 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,120 where we were in booming leads and it's a little sweatbox venue. I watched 43 00:02:55,159 --> 00:03:00,120 the drummer wipe the sweat on his face away with a cloth, and when 44 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:01,639 he pulled the cloth away and he just stared it for a second, the 45 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,919 entire top half of his corpse paint on his face just come away. In 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,840 his hand and he just shrugs and has to carry on. And then he 47 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,360 comes out from behind the kit at the end and he's wearing these little shorts 48 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,439 and like trainers, despite his top half having like a hooded like mental fit 49 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,039 going on. There was one point where one of the guitarists so again like 50 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,439 wearing like a full long robe, he had to like open up his chest 51 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:25,159 to let his chest hairs free. But it was a seriously brilliant black metal 52 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:28,879 set. And then you got to see that with my Chemical Acts support band, 53 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:31,520 amazing. You know, they had a similar moment where the guitarist was 54 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,000 on his like long vampire cape and the bassis got like the head of his 55 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,439 guitar caught in his cape and I'd like yank it free. But Devil Master 56 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,120 was all about, you know, the kind of punk energy, the speed, 57 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:49,000 constant fast tempos, obnoxious vocal shouts, really catchy guitar parts. Felt 58 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:52,039 like it was like a really good and worthy night out seeing two bands are 59 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,039 kind of on the tip of the underground right now, being like super exciting 60 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:58,360 and for the power and chaos. I then ventured back to Liverpool on the 61 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,400 morning of the revision final, walking around all of the people who are in 62 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:04,280 their their garb and their T shirts and stuff, and your revision this year 63 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,879 went a bit metal mad, didn't it, Like as a kind of alluding 64 00:04:09,879 --> 00:04:14,120 to normally will have like one, I think they split the metal vote this 65 00:04:14,199 --> 00:04:17,079 year, like you normally have like one that's kind of like metal, and 66 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,959 then you know a rock act like normally like that, and that's kind of 67 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:25,720 the extent of it. But yeah, no, there was like two like 68 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:28,439 properly like you can say, male acts, and even then you could kind 69 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:32,680 of throw Finland in kind of tangentially slightly related. Yeah, so I suppose 70 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,519 in your varying levels of as you say that scale, there was Finland's act, 71 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,079 which a lot of people immediately noted that when he took to the stage 72 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,759 he was wearing like some kind of incredible fucking like um feather bower type deal, 73 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,199 but with his chest overber puffy. Yeah, green at were immediately noticed 74 00:04:51,319 --> 00:04:56,279 on his like you know, on his peck he had just a Ramstein logo 75 00:04:56,399 --> 00:04:58,519 tattoo. And I was like, well, this really sets it befull this 76 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,560 is going to be in it, and I I swear to God that song, 77 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,519 which is really catchy but the riff of it literally just tattoo from the 78 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:09,959 the Untatted rampsed that album, and if you may remember, that's on the 79 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,879 back end of that album. And there are people out there who go, 80 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:14,519 like, oh yeah, the untited Rams album. It falls off towards the 81 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,519 end, doesn't it. It's like, well, he's taken what the album 82 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,480 tracks from that nicked. The riff turned into more of like a scooter type 83 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,800 deal, and it's like the runaway fucking Vision favorite. It's the fan favorite. 84 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,839 Like it. It was the fan favorite, like I swear during that 85 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,240 forwards, he was like moments away from any second from doing the Tillhammer, 86 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,360 like it was so built for I thought it was gonna do it. At 87 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,240 one point, I was like he was doing funny walks and Hiven centipedeing with 88 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:43,959 his backup dancers instead, well, like just weird, messed up, whacky 89 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,199 Eurovision stuff. I really liked the Finland and She because I'm always going to 90 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,920 go for the goofy like shit in your vision, like again, actually not 91 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:51,879 metal, but I do want to give a shout to Cracier as well, 92 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:58,399 like then, oh yeah, like crazy left wing kind of subversive punk band. 93 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:01,279 The music was fucking like it's so bananas, Elliott, are we talking 94 00:06:01,319 --> 00:06:04,360 around you here? I did you? Did you engage in the year's festivities? 95 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,399 Well, I'm quite a recent convert, so for years I was like, 96 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,160 no nonsense, don't care. And then it was in my last year 97 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,439 units someone I knew was hosting a Eurovision party, right, I thought, 98 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,360 so, guys, all right, well let's try. And I was like 99 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,639 looking forward to it like Christmas in the weeks going up to it, and 100 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,360 I know that there's like been met like an old Lordy one yeah, and 101 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:33,879 that sort of thing, but like Voyager, like the Voyager, Yeah, 102 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:39,160 like Voyager. I mean there was also like Lord of the Lost, which 103 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,120 is Germany's entry, and that is a band who I mean normally when metal 104 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,879 happens at Eurovision, it's stuff that even if you're into metal, you probably 105 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,519 haven't heard of the acts, right, because they've kind of come out of 106 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:51,879 nowhere and an empty Eurovision and they might get up there from there whatever. 107 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,879 I was a Hutari from Iceland a couple of years ago. Htari had an 108 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:00,759 amazing moment turning up in the voting, didn't they being Icelands? You went 109 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,680 to see them live didn't you. Yeah, yeah, they with a friend 110 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 a couple of years, but like after they kind of brushed with fame from 111 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:11,839 Eurovision like that. But it is like a Icelandic voting thing turning up with 112 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,759 removing mask. Graham Norton doesn't know what to do with Hello, We're on 113 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:17,560 limited time. People were calling him a time wasster i reckon. He spent 114 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,360 about as much time as all the other ones who are like Hello Europe and 115 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:25,560 then they do some like really bad like rehearsed joke or whatever. He probably 116 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:31,680 spent as much time doing something actually funny getting to the point of Australia. 117 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,920 Yeah, like like you were saying, they kind of appear have a brush 118 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,439 with fame of Eurovision. There were two acts this year who just from being 119 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:45,319 into rock and metal we'd heard of before, like really bizarre. One of 120 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:47,399 whom was Voyager, one of whom was Lord Lost, who many people have 121 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:51,160 pointed out Iron made a support band for their upcoming tour. If you are 122 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:54,040 going there, you'll be seeing that. If they've got that chiming in the 123 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:57,079 setlist for that, it would probably be a you know, that would be 124 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:00,560 a bit people pop off. Yeah, could not believe they came lost, 125 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Germany always come last. They're like us, like Germany. Okay, they 126 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,240 are the US of mainland Europe. For some reason, no one ever votes 127 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:11,480 for Germany, like what's going on? And Lord of Lost probably knew that, 128 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,920 but um they were again like the super eurometal thing where they remind me 129 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,040 long time TMM listeners may remember an episode that we did a few years ago 130 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:26,160 where myself and the other coast at the time we all intentionally try to bring 131 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,399 in records that were very bad just to have a laugh. And I found 132 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:33,320 this band from like Switzerland, abuddy called hell Boulevard who had an album called 133 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:41,240 In Black We Trust and Lord of La Lost sounds is that exactly kind of 134 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,639 chorus of eld in everything but hilarious and good fun. Um. But then 135 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,360 as you say, the weirdest of all because the Lord of the Last you 136 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,200 go, I can see why that's in Eurovision Voyager Like that's an actual like 137 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:58,399 cred band, like they play Bloodstock, they're on Season of Missed. I 138 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,080 was like, they're on the same labels Rotten Christ like I mean so much 139 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,919 cred. They're on a label some actual sketchy racists as well, which I 140 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,159 mean should cify for those not in the know, that's not rotten Christ rot 141 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,639 Chrisser lovely. But like, of all the places for something to come from 142 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,240 to end up on Eurovision, it's a bit like if Lepris just went fucking 143 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,639 mentor or something and decided to go in. Yeah, And like I didn't 144 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,159 realize it was the Voyage until they came on stage and I was like, 145 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,240 I feel like I recognized these voys and I checked and I was like, 146 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:26,080 yeah, second stage Bloodstock like five years ago, and I took all those 147 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,240 unimates a going I've seen these guys before. And as I was saying, 148 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,799 like this isn't that cool to be like I was on I was into the 149 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,840 Eurovision Band before they were at Eurovision, but and then they did well at 150 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:37,399 top ten. Yeah, good for Australia. I mean, like all three 151 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:39,799 of them, I've got to say, of those three metal adjacent entry, 152 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,799 they're all like really catchy songs, like they're still a memorable in my head. 153 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:50,080 But the which can that's something can be really like grating in the wrong 154 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,879 time, be very can be that and mad jaggline but whoy did you do 155 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,519 it with that? Just like big riffs yeah, and and that the symbol. 156 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,440 I was like, I diging a Voyager were about you. I've never 157 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:01,960 been. I've heard of, but never bothered to check out because like me 158 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:05,720 not listening to I haven't spent a load of time with their records either, 159 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:09,840 But it was like, again, there's a difference between again a band who 160 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:13,759 turned up look a bit metal or whatever, and then like the pr people 161 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:18,039 who I follow who work with like actual metal labels are excited because their bands 162 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:22,919 are in Eurovision, Like it was a really surreal thing this year. Yeah, 163 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Like but I enjoyed Voyage and it was yeah, actually feel like everyone 164 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,120 was kind of like yeah, Boyage, Like definitely felt like people rallied behind 165 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:31,720 Voyager more than Lord of the Lost and like say that showed where they got 166 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,399 a top ten finish, which I think that was what more than they were 167 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,799 ever hoping for. So it was like good for them, like they seem 168 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,919 to actually genuinely chuff to do that. Well. It was a bit when 169 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,600 I think it was on Iceland gave them the twelve points, yeah, and 170 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,039 it cuts to them and everyone got mouthfuls of food. Just like if you're 171 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,159 especially if you're in a country where you know, you're not really going to 172 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,159 have it like a you're not a contender, right, Um, there's always 173 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,200 it's just the dree of like treating it like some kind of mental night out 174 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,639 and watching them just sort of big cut like oh it's us. It is 175 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,480 always taking. So yeah, like well done Voyager. I'd be like, 176 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,039 you know, again, well done to Lord of the Loss, but not 177 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,000 a big show and everything, even the guy again like Scooter Ramstein kind of 178 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,679 rip off thing like it's a big tune it was even though yeah we didn't 179 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,000 win, it was a Lordy entry or whatever. But like weirdly overrepresented night 180 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,159 for metal at Eurovision. I mean it kind of just shows that there is, 181 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,360 you know, a market because because your visions are about spectacle and cheessing 182 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,440 suit and there's so much of that in metal that if I like, it 183 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:31,879 doesn't come back to the always that we should send skin trade, isn't it 184 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:35,279 like every time, or we should send a metal band just just just for 185 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,879 just for ships and giggles one time we should like we always got that by 186 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,600 sending a member of Blessed by Broken Heart. But yeah, so I mean, 187 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,159 yeah, hell hell of the evening, I guess and news in terms 188 00:11:45,159 --> 00:11:48,720 of music, the most important thing is that we have put this one. 189 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:52,039 We have some some beloved bands are returning, and I can think of no 190 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:58,879 one bigger in that regard. Then I see Stars back, Baby, I 191 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:03,360 can't believe this. So I was like, do people actually want this? 192 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,799 Like I couldn't have told you at what point Icy Stars went away? You 193 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,399 know, like and I listened, we had to look it up. Yeah, 194 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,720 and their songs, it's like they're trying to change their sound to be 195 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,799 relevant a bit, and I'm not having it, like you are twenty eleven 196 00:12:16,799 --> 00:12:22,200 in Karna and that's all you should be. It is that they're trying to 197 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,960 be part of the whole, like oh we we're emotional Posto Milk or the 198 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,360 bad Omen Yeah, Sleep don't going to kind of adjased that but not really, 199 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:33,320 but that kind of they're trying to the kind of modern age dectory, 200 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:37,559 I know, as saying like it just goes really young. And then for 201 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:41,440 a bad who are like kind of big obnoxious simps and silly pop vocal hooks 202 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,159 trying to be serious. It just it just sounds like it just just just 203 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,720 doesn't fit at all. And I can't think of many burns where there's been 204 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:54,000 less clamor for them to come back and icy stars like literally zero and then 205 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:56,759 to come back. People in America are probably well up for this coming back, 206 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:58,919 like I mean maybe, but do they want it to be boring? 207 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:01,600 Is that what they want? Like just to be like, oh, remember 208 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,559 that really garish electronical band. What if they were less electronic the thing that 209 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,360 we liked about them and more boring. I mean there is there gapping in 210 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,679 the song Drift that is quite oh no, take it back, like bad 211 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,559 Omens are hugely popular America and they're boring. So yeah, they do want 212 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,879 more music. So there's the there's the Giants of the Week out of the 213 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,200 way. We've also got Spanish love songs to a back. Yeah, just 214 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,440 a little band those love songs back. They've announced their third album, No 215 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,720 Joy, that is going to be coming out at the end. Fourth album 216 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:35,200 was it not actual? I thought smarts with the debut no Small. I 217 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,759 thoughts Horts was the debut and they haven't, like I kind of forgot about. 218 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:41,440 It's one of those cases they've gotten out in the rumbers. The third 219 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,840 album that people have taken note of, No Joy. It's going to be 220 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,840 out at the end of August, and they've released a song from it called 221 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,480 Haunted bit of synth wave with it, which was a kind of an unexpected 222 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,799 nice touch elsewhere I will hand over to you Sam. Yeah, this is 223 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,759 like moody Springsteen with a load of synth thrown into it. It's um. 224 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,840 It's an interesting kind of pivot for them because obviously they've had like keyboardies as 225 00:14:05,879 --> 00:14:07,639 part of the band and you kind of its kind of been one of the 226 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,759 kind of more subtle touches to their sound. Here. It's like, no 227 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,519 straight away simper in, Like, they clearly wanted to have some kind of 228 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,159 musical pivot and it's that and I'm into I'm into that, And then will 229 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:22,960 you actually get to the song is the most Springsteen they've sounded, I think, 230 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:26,720 like instead of just the the core progressions and all little things like that. 231 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,919 And I think and I'm like, if it's going to give me be 232 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,440 kind of like new wavy sim Springsteen, I'm gonna lap this up. Yeah, 233 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,919 I think this sounds a bit bitt rm in the canvas, like and 234 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,960 I went from moldly interested to really quite intrigued about the record because the vocalist 235 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,480 still is like kind of I'm about to cry in his second quality, like 236 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,480 he's toned that down. He has toned that down. He's on a platform, 237 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:52,720 someone underneath him is shaking and going whoa. He's trying to sing a 238 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:58,120 song, but he's like, I actually think it works better on this because 239 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:00,519 I don't know if it's just because it's a different kind of canvas, just 240 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:03,559 pop punk where it feels like so many of those bands are doing the kind 241 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:09,200 of I'm going But maybe that alone makes it stand out. But if we're 242 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,279 talking about Springsteen, I think this is way better than the Gaslight Anthem tune 243 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,559 that came out the other week. I would say so as well. I 244 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,759 mean probably it's probably the synth thing in it that has made this like slightly 245 00:15:18,879 --> 00:15:22,679 more kind of interesting to my ears than that. I mean, I love 246 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,120 both, but I would agree I think this is the better song. I 247 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,159 think this is got me like I love fan of Stubb songs. You know 248 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,639 this like, I'm sure it's not gonna be in songs when I say this 249 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:33,519 album is gonna come up highly in my end of year list, like based 250 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,120 off this song alone, but this song is actually really exciting and that it 251 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,039 is them doing something a bit different rather than just being another like we're a 252 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,320 sad email e pop punk band that like following on from the Wonder Years, 253 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,559 they've they've signed to carve out their own like ni, yeah, I would 254 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,159 agree with that, And that wasn't all for you, you, you lucky 255 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,879 soul you because the Wonder Years have a nous a ten Years of the Greatest 256 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,399 Generation anniversary box set and that's a little bone of song as well that's been 257 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:02,320 released called god damn it All. So more of that. Yeah, yeah, 258 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:06,120 I was. This isn't quite different actually, like doesn't really sound like 259 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,360 it was from the Greatest Generation circle because it's a bit more like I don't 260 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,559 because that was like their last pop punk record and this still doesn't really sound 261 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:17,039 like a pop punk song. It's got to be more just kind of like 262 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,960 a rock sort of thing going on. But I will lap up more than 263 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,679 one d Years. The one Years off cuts from their second best record are 264 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,480 still better than pretty much all of their peers. Like again, there's a 265 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:30,960 record about later. I would still take this Wonder Years off cut over every 266 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,639 song on that record, Like, um, I just think it's I think 267 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:38,159 they're really cool soupie. When he's just doing his emotionally charged singing thing, 268 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:41,799 it just misers. I know you're not gonna take it at all. Pair 269 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,600 of No, I've really I listened to this this song earlier and I've I've 270 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,840 forgotten everything about it. Yeah, I did it. I've got to conserve 271 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,600 my feelings on this type of music for the review later, so over to 272 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,240 you. I don't think this is amazing one d years. I could say 273 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,000 this is a song that was kind of left on the cutting before that they've 274 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,919 probably gone back and reworked a little bit to eventually see releases part of this 275 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:07,440 like new box It, I am consuming picking up this great generation box it 276 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:15,440 so I can get the voice notes version of Madeline fucking execute Me on the 277 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,119 fucking spot. But yeah, no, I think it's a good song. 278 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,359 Yeah, I think it's good too. Like as far as you know, 279 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,640 it's a B side of an old records, so it's hard to get too 280 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,759 jails about it. But as far as throwaway track scoll, it's not a 281 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:29,960 massive drop from the record. In my opinion, I do think the album 282 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,160 is really good with the exception of Madeline, but this is this is pretty 283 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,880 good too. I don't know, because I know they've recorded most of it 284 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,599 and then they went back to it recently. I don't know if the vocals 285 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,839 are from the time or from now. Yeah, but one of the things 286 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,039 that's put me off the wonder is, at least on the last couple of 287 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:49,240 records, is the shirt tugging is starting to get like disrespectful to his clothes 288 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,480 because the shirt collar is like, so yeah, he's wearing one of those 289 00:17:55,519 --> 00:18:00,559 like cartoon caveman fucking like bear furs. This term world, It's like it's 290 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,519 not on this song. At least it's not too bad, which makes me 291 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:07,480 think it was recorded at the time. If not, if it was recorded 292 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,319 recently, maybe there's a lesson there, mister Campbell. Yeah, I mean 293 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,400 it just certainly is a really big week for the wobblers, isn't it. 294 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,759 And I guess I guess you could call it a wobble of one degree or 295 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,480 another. This this new story is broken in the kind of a couple of 296 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,799 hours prior to us recording this, and I wasn't necessarily going to put it 297 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,880 in, but then the band question made a statement about it, and I 298 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:30,920 thought, you know what, I feel like a kind of obli I used 299 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,680 to talk about this, not least because I made a brief mention to the 300 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,440 band mar Duke on our Oathbreaker special just as a kind of vert them as 301 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,720 a kind of band who play a particular style of black metal, and that 302 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:42,240 was it was relevant there. But uh, you know, you've got to 303 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:45,960 cover the bad. I hope it does not come across badly if I find 304 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 some mirth in this right, like it's it's not making light of the kind 305 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,319 of behavior which is very grave indeed and should be dealt with very seriously. 306 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:59,400 But it's laughing at the idiots who throw Nazi salutes because mar Duke are on 307 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:06,279 stage and generation fatter, which happened Eurovision Weeketting very bizarrely there bassist Joel Lindholm 308 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:11,039 was filmed captain on film performing a Nazi salute during the middle of the set. 309 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,519 That footage has been put on YouTube and everything, and now again a 310 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,559 few days after that event. Obviously it's making us around the line and people 311 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:26,079 are dealing with that. The first thing there is I saw that and my 312 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,640 mind intertually went, there's Marduk again, right, because Mardu are a band 313 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,599 who on record, I've been a big fan of you know, in the 314 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:34,039 past and over the years. I mean, like I did one of my 315 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,839 very first interviews with them when I was like eighteen, Like pretty there's an 316 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,720 imposing moment, but I kind of I distanced myself to a you know, 317 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,440 I dissented myself from them a few years ago when there were some kind of 318 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,720 connections that were made to you know, some some shady activities and whatnotment Okay, 319 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,119 like maybe this kind of World War two imagery obsession you have isn't you 320 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,559 know, innocuous. So I looked at this and I went, you know, 321 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,599 I'm not stunned by this. But the band Marduk have since made a 322 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,839 statement about this, a very little brief statement, not a lot to go 323 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,160 on, but they've just said that this member, Joel, has been removed 324 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,039 vacated from his position in the band because of what they describe as his intolerable 325 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:17,519 drunken on stage behavior. And that's fair enough, right, And it's obviously 326 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:19,960 it's a good thing that they haven't doubled down. I suppose I'm trying to 327 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,599 defend his actions or whatever, but I did. I laughed at this because 328 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,559 you can just imagine them going for fuck's sake, Joel, we've only just 329 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:32,279 gotten away from the pamphlets. You're not meant to do this on stage. 330 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Well, this is the thing with Marduk which I don't understand, Like if 331 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,119 they're not mark Nazis and they claim not to be, they have heard the 332 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:44,119 worst run of luck of any band ever because the amount of incriminating stuff that's 333 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,440 happened, like the number of it's not what it looks like stories that seems 334 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,599 to go around like every year. And also like you say, if you're 335 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,720 in Marduk and you know eyes are on you for that sort of thing, 336 00:20:53,519 --> 00:21:00,200 like are you so inconsonant with your bigotry where you just let it slip this 337 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,079 basis Joel has only been in the band for a couple of years, right, 338 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,000 He's not a founding member, not a lot an ongoing member whatever. 339 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,119 He wasn't even in the band when this last you know, incident when people 340 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,400 really started to raise questions about mar Duke happened and it almost seemed like a 341 00:21:14,519 --> 00:21:17,680 new guy who's only been in the band for a few years getting two big 342 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,079 reputs going oh this is what we do here is it? And then the 343 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,559 other like no, no, itism and again the humor in this for me, 344 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:27,319 it's a dark humor coming from You can imagine the others on the sidelines 345 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,920 going, for God's sake, here we go again because they hired im idiot. 346 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:36,079 I mean, you've got you'd imagine if if you're having, you know, 347 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,240 a band who've had some problems with this thing in the past, you'd 348 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:41,680 be a bit more careful your vetting process. You're even be like, are 349 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,160 you a Nazi when you're recruiting something like? That's one of the questions, 350 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,559 isn't it is? How how careful would you be with your vetting process? 351 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:52,359 Dependent on where on that spectrum you may may lie. I've seen reports from 352 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,000 people who are at this event of this member being like very drunk on stage. 353 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:59,680 Like if they say drunken, they're not certily making a you know, 354 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,480 they're not lying to cover up the fact the dude looked pissed, like apparently 355 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,359 he was like making mistakes during the set, like not playing the bass behalf 356 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,480 of it. He spent ten minutes at the end standing around like shirtless, 357 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,200 just sort of looking at people. So maybe that's why they that's why they 358 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,640 fired it. Maybe not the NST they've also they in this little statement they 359 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,319 announced that they've already they've named their replacement. They were like, we've got 360 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:22,200 our previous basis to do our upcoming shows with us, and so it's you 361 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,960 can't say it's a matter of if they've only removed him like at this last 362 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,160 minute, because it's been made public. But there is the question of, 363 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,480 you know, if you're damaging the show, damaging the reputation with the rap 364 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,319 of the guards again, I think it just comes to like, obviously, 365 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,559 fuck this piss head Marduk, well done on quick action, but you're not 366 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,960 in the clear right like you are, you're obligated to say a bit more 367 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,880 than that. And then they're off to play steel Fest today. Loll. 368 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:49,640 Meanwhile, go see Lampa murmur if they're on tour with you, you won't 369 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,640 see any salutes insight Um. This week was a big one for the longer, 370 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,720 most in depth podcast that we do because we had our first crack here 371 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,400 at a one part special where we told an entire band story and career in 372 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,119 one podcast, and that was on the Almighty Old Breaker, which it was 373 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,559 always the perfect band I had in mind to do that with because in just 374 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:14,880 a few years with a small handful of records. That band left an indelible 375 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,319 mark on our scene and the hearts and record collections of many a fan. 376 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,759 If you are a long time T and M listener, particularly, I'm sure 377 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:25,119 it will be in some way nostalgic and cathartic to you to hop back to 378 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,240 twenty sixteen, when Raya became one of the most celebrated important albums of this 379 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,000 podcast lifetime. But we go beyond that to really trying to understand where this 380 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:37,640 band came from, the really fucking cool music that got them to that point, 381 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,440 and you know what could have been afterwards with the bits of music that 382 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,880 we've had since, what that may have pointed to, as well as all 383 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,880 the other works that musicians have put their name to. In terms of like 384 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,480 if we are talking real moments that we have experienced together in real time that 385 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,839 I've like seared themselves into our psychees musical moments. The story we told in 386 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,440 this episode, the live cycle, and how fucking immense that was that the 387 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:03,240 memories that have a boith breaker, it's one of the best. I mean, 388 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,599 I think that's it's like, particularly the rail one for me that that 389 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,720 was very much like a real time Like when we've talked about the other band 390 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,200 specials, we've not been there to sort of real time witness the biggest moment 391 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,279 in each of these specials. Have we really I like, whereas this one 392 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,759 where we like we were there like seeing ray play out. But I thought 393 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:22,039 the most interesting part was this was actually like, obviously the rare chat was 394 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,039 incredible, but obviously the previous eff was kind of pre t and m in 395 00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,799 a lot of ways. So actually getting to shine a light on that laptic 396 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,279 ear of the ban and and the really cool stuff that was going on there, 397 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,960 I was I was like really excited about I mean, like when it 398 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,079 was announced we were doing it, I didn't think it was going to be 399 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,400 four hours because I thought, well, there's three great records, but beyond 400 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,839 that, how much of a story. But we initially about an hour just 401 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:52,200 dissecting basically every single song on RAYO to light the end. But beyond that 402 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,839 it was like the theorizing, discussing like what were the what's their legacy, 403 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,079 where would they be now? What would you want from oath Breaker? Yeah, 404 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,119 it was like for a board where I thought the story was kind of 405 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,240 distilled in the music. It was fascinating for me looking back and kind of 406 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:11,680 reframing it, like putting it in its historical place as far as underground metal 407 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,400 in the last ten fifteen years. Like yeah, and I think that a 408 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,079 lot. Yeah, I think that is the kind of thing that just to 409 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480 you know, blow our own trumpet a minute. That's the thing I like 410 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:22,880 doing because no one else is really doing that. And I think, you 411 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,240 know, like we we did it, Like obviously it was a really lovely, 412 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240 like intense, but like lovely special to do to celebrate something like that, 413 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:32,720 because I know we have to go in on the giant bands and those 414 00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:34,440 are by you know, through the super power of maths, the most popular 415 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,920 things. But I think like that's the metal format and these specials that we 416 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,839 do can be at their best when we are able to apply it to bounds 417 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,839 who haven't otherwise had their story told in such an in depth fashion and who 418 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,319 you know, Bounds who deserve it, and we can really go through exactly 419 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:51,880 what made them, you know, what they were, what impact they had, 420 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:53,240 how they catalog evolved, Like I mean, we did it with Bleeding 421 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,799 Through a couple of months ago for a band who are like not super celebrated 422 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,160 across the border as much as they should be. And that was a two 423 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,039 part special, and I don't think anyone's like really dedicated like six or seven 424 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,480 hours of discussion or wherever it was to bleeding through his entire history in that 425 00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:11,400 format. Specials like this on contemporary bands like Oathbreaker. These bands haven't had 426 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,400 their flowers given to them by the industry like this, I think it's even 427 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,759 more true. So I would love to be able to keep doing this. 428 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:18,480 And you know, if you guys are into it and you support it, 429 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,000 we can do more. And the bands like these that really have a place 430 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,880 in our hearts that you know, maybe the larger outlets out there in the 431 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,240 world aren't going to find the moment to really really do that. So that 432 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:33,440 was what happened over at patron MCom Slash that's no metal this week. Let's 433 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,960 get into our reviews going out. We got six albums this time that we 434 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,160 are going to talk about, and the first of those comes from the Dirty 435 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,279 Nil and it's called Free Rein to Passions, and Sam, what you were 436 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,200 saying at the start about the kind of album we're doing this time, this 437 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:52,519 is the biggest rock and roll band in the world, in the world that 438 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,359 has been invented by this podcast and its listeners. But hey, we can 439 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,039 dream. That is kind of how I think about the Dirty Nil because we've 440 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,359 got this as lead review. I mean this band, especially now we're on 441 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,640 a fourth album from them, they are in this spot of being like absolutely 442 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,200 beloved, like pretty much like a given before they've even relea thinny music by 443 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,440 people who have been you know following. I guess rock music has played by 444 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,400 real people, and an album like this is going to be so fawned over 445 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,480 by you know, our lot. But their place in the wider rock ecosystem 446 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,279 essentially stays the same where they are in their kind of Nil bubble, which 447 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,960 is filled with Canadians and us, and like someone recommended we do a Dirty 448 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,279 Nil special the other day, and like, I think the band are great, 449 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:30,920 but you know what I mean, it's just been there. Well, 450 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,880 there's no story to this. It's like and it's a collection of forty roughly 451 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,920 similar songs that make you feel good, like end of story. Yeah, 452 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,279 it kind of is that, but I don't even care. Like again, 453 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:47,680 Daniels, obviously, I fully came around to them on fuck Are I liked 454 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,960 the previous two records, but I wasn't, you know, like the best 455 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,519 rock and roll band in the world. I am now kind of like, 456 00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,880 yeah, they're doing or the best rock and roll band in the world, 457 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,119 like after the Fuck Are and now Free Reigns the Passion. It was weird. 458 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960 This fe like it came run really quickly when I was like, no, 459 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:04,079 it has been two and a half years since Fuck Art, which is 460 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,079 like kind of crazy at the same time, but yeah, Dirting, you're 461 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:14,240 back with another collection of really good rock songs. I think of all the 462 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,400 alt rock bands to emerge in the last ten years or so, I probably 463 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,880 put Dirty Nils my number one, Like in this kind of thing, I 464 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,960 don't think there's anyone better, And well, most of Volume is probably my 465 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,319 favorite. Fuck Art did feel at the moment the Dirty kind of calcified what 466 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,079 they are, where I was like, this is actually what the Dirty Knills 467 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,640 sound like. Yeah, I agree for me. They've been getting on a 468 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,640 trajectory of getting better with what they do with everyone. Where the debut was 469 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,480 promising matter, Volume was a really good album and then like again Handley again 470 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,000 to the divide of a new decade behind them, fuck Art, released on 471 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,880 Year's Day of twenty to twenty one, with its happy Little Dog on the 472 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,559 cover. It's like the platonic ideal of what a record like this is meant 473 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:53,359 to feel like and sound like it, what is meant to do? I 474 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,599 mean, I listened to fuck Art today for the first time in a while, 475 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,960 like ahead of his review, and those choruses still just like came so 476 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,480 natural with drugs has never left my head, like for the last two years. 477 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:03,599 Yeah, I had listened to that song and I don't know however long, 478 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,599 but those like you know, they're being good, they're being sweet. 479 00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,599 It's like you're so in there, And it's one of the ultimate examples of 480 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,640 like, the industry doesn't support bands like this like it used to, so 481 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,799 it's on us to make sure we do it ourselves right. Like we are 482 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,240 the audience for this. It's not the people who are going to going to 483 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,599 be going for bad omens or whatever. But this band just have so much 484 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:32,519 charisma where they carry themselves like they are the biggest thing, and they make 485 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,640 everything feel like they are having just the best time doing it and translating that 486 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,599 to the listener, yeah, like charisma is the thing is that Luke is 487 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,759 just he is a natural born rock star, like eving about in the way 488 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:52,480 like every little vocal line and touch that he puts over every song. I'm 489 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,480 just like, there's this guy could have done nothing but be a rock star. 490 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,880 There're a band that you wish you were in, which I think is 491 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,119 one of the highest compliments you pay to abandon this dog because it's just like 492 00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:03,920 you listen to it. No, God, God, I wish that was 493 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,480 me, Like, but you couldn't. But then again, the charisma thing, 494 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:12,559 it's wishing it was you, but kind of knowing it's you know, 495 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,880 yeah, you're not. Like I had to say around they were kind of 496 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,839 released campaign of fuck art, even with like how locked inside we all were, 497 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,599 and the fact that when you say the reason it feels like it's being 498 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,160 quite a short period of time. It's probably the fact that they didn't get 499 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,680 to tour it or anything, and their music feels like it should be kind 500 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480 of like outdoor stages in Karnate. Like my kind of eureka moment with the 501 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:37,599 dirt in it was seeing them live on the master volume cycle and be like, 502 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,000 oh, this is wicked. But during the kind of the funk art, 503 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:42,519 you know. I guess throughout twenty twenty one they got kind of real 504 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:47,599 presence with like singles and so on, and like particularly doom Boy, it 505 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,759 felt like it was just like in the conversation and being played throughout twenty twenty 506 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:53,480 one where everyone kind just collectively agree that that was one of the songs of 507 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:57,000 the year. It was like such the bit of light that was needed around 508 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,799 that point in time. They haven't had that presence with this like we had 509 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,519 um Nicer Guy released fairly, you know, not too long ago, like 510 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,039 probably a month ago maybe or so, this album was announced, and with 511 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,160 an album like fuck Are, I already had to kind of I guess some 512 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,440 infinite like affinity for some of those songs there, which I haven't had with 513 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,759 this going in, Like Nicer Guy was a good single, but it didn't 514 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,519 cement itself like a doom Boy did. It was for this it was completely 515 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,960 just okay, Like I don't have that sort of single power in my head 516 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,880 already. Just how enjoyable is this record and a set of songs, And 517 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,759 like Nicer Guy is a really fun tune. It's like almost like a bit 518 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,400 of like a fuck Our album track maybe in quality but like of the hook 519 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680 alone, but it makes you feel good. The bridge particularly is awesome when 520 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,759 there's guitari takeover and it's so uplifting. Yeah, I mean I would say, 521 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,839 like nicest guys one that over the last one I've had that I've made 522 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,359 up Mann. Yeah, it's just been again had that has been stuck. 523 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:55,319 Very good. Yeah, is it as good as doom Boy or like done 524 00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,400 with drugs? Probably not, but I still think it's just an absolute belter 525 00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,799 of a track. And yeah, I think that that that bridges with the 526 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:06,640 guitars is wicked. And again it's another one there, like everything's also off 527 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,079 the cuff and cool. When he's like even he's just going like yeah blah 528 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:13,640 blah blah blah, Like it's just he just makes it sound like rock stars 529 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,160 shit. But I agree, it kind of felt like there was not like 530 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,240 the drive of buzz and build up this record. It was because of like 531 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,079 they are now it's it hears the song and now here's the record which has 532 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,200 been kind of just nice. But she's just go into this as like, 533 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,160 oh hey, just a collection of songs that I can just vibe to. 534 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,680 Yeah, I think nicer guys are singing I thought it was great, but 535 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,880 it was kind of a like it takes all the boxes, but it didn't. 536 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,039 You know, I don't think I heard anyone going this is the best 537 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,759 Dirty Nils song, Oh my god, I can't wait for like you know, 538 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,359 but it got everyone excited again, like it got an interest all over 539 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,480 you know. So for me it was a success in that sense. And 540 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,359 I always think the kind of more laid back release this record kind of bleeds 541 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:58,680 into the album itself, but I think it suits the album that we've got 542 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,680 today. Yeah, you know what I love about the Dirty Nail First of 543 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,759 all, they love heavy metal, and they open a fresh song every time, 544 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,039 don't they. Particularly the riff that opens this album on celebration with that 545 00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:14,039 like pinch squeal like Zach Wilde has turned up, and then it leans on 546 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:17,079 it for like forty seconds like a beatdown. It's such a good thing to 547 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,200 add to their cool appeal. And what you were saying about elliots, like 548 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,079 you know, all the kind of alternative rock bands or whatever have existed, 549 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:28,759 none of those, Like they've got licks in the way that like Spanish love 550 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,240 songs or whoever, never will and that endears me to them. So heavily 551 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,200 and that just like it gets me pumped to listen to an album when I 552 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,119 know I'm going to be supplied with stuff like that. Yeah, that that 553 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:43,480 is I think is the X fact of the Dirty New is the guitars, 554 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,640 the riffs, the licks, like everything about that just that rock, like 555 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,519 that metal engine that they've got in these just like fun, catchy punk songs. 556 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,160 But it's not even just the heavy riff. I mean it sells the 557 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:00,000 exhorder I was like taking about and then the song it's elf like when that 558 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,319 kind of comes in properly, it is so sweet. It's like it could 559 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,599 be the Monkeys or something. I mean it's a classic l trick, but 560 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,199 fucking hell, Like what a way to get you excited. Yeah, there 561 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,880 is the sense I love in this band of them just carrying celves just exactly 562 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,440 they the way they want to do it, where they always feel like they're 563 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,360 sort of making up, like it just carried by the whims of the moment, 564 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,920 where like again like stuff like to the guy who stole my bike, 565 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,360 right, it was so spontaneous and like carried by almost no thought outside of 566 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,119 like what's happened to him in this particular moment, and that doesn't equate to 567 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,559 you, like we're not talking like a super inventive band here who reinvent themselves 568 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,679 album upon an album, who do like you know, when we talk about 569 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,679 there, they about to no one but themselves, and it's like, you 570 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,079 know, some band who just do mad ideas of album that no one else 571 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,320 would do. But I think what's endearing about Nil is exactly the way it 572 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,239 always feels like it's just coming directly from the heart from a group of guys 573 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,199 who are pumping out these tunes in a garage for them. And when the 574 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,679 album is called Free rein to Passions, what you were saying Eli about sort 575 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,159 of laid back a way, it's sort of come out. They've been talking 576 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,760 around the kind of making of this album in terms of like even just like 577 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,800 the little bits of success that they have started to gain on the last couple 578 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,760 of records, they've had these kind of pushing factors around them, bese of 579 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,840 like encouragement to you know, you should do this to your songs, changed 580 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,039 your music in this direction or another. And this album is a total just 581 00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:21,800 re embracement of kind of like we're doing this for us the fun and I 582 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,039 think that's that in the mindset that will stop them getting too big, But 583 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:29,480 like fuck that, no, like you can, I would much have to 584 00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:34,079 have that authenticity to them, and I mean they don't will kind of live 585 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:39,199 and down that authenticity on that real just passion and like love for it. 586 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,559 And so if you could tell if they were being made to write songs that 587 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,280 are going to be being more commercial whatever, I don't think it would just 588 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,559 you you'd hear it straight away. Yeah, And the idea that fuck Art 589 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,679 was the record that like in some way had some of those whispers in the 590 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,199 air around them, and it felt like it was so organic stale. This 591 00:35:55,199 --> 00:36:00,280 one has gone even more just like reckless. Like the production is really satisfiedly 592 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,320 just raw in the way that it's like the sound of amps like you know, 593 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,480 meters away from your head kind of ripping out. Some riffs they are 594 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:12,199 like almost like cursory fucking nods to texture here and there, where there's like 595 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,000 blowing up things in the woods. Has like it's layering acoustics and stuff. 596 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,440 And then there's a really cool lead section that it's almost like a kind of 597 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,960 like back of the pickup truck, blue grassy fucking moment, but there's acoustics 598 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,360 and everything essentially just all gets overwhelmed by the loudness of it all. It's 599 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,719 just like let's go Atomize Me, which has like kind of pianos at the 600 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,039 start, and then it's just kind of like the guitars and it just sounds 601 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,880 like start sound like it could be on those like you know, Springsteen movie 602 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,519 ballads or something, and then the volume of the guitar whale that follows it's 603 00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:44,480 such just like a fucking kool aid man, like, yeah, the guitars 604 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,679 are properly roaring and just like but yeah, no, none of that, 605 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,639 none of that sentimental piano ship. That's rock and God I love him for 606 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,000 it. Which lowers to the point of clipping points. I think. I 607 00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:00,719 think the title truck like it's almost scratchy and like rabid in the worst perform 608 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,199 again, like if they had those whispers in the ears saying, oh, 609 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,440 you know, we've got a bit more commercial, like do you want to 610 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,000 live in a world where they don't open the album with an exhorder? If 611 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:13,320 like no, like you want the Dirty Nil to be the dirty Nil that 612 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,320 you do need that push and pull and the further they've leaned into it on 613 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,840 this record, following up their bigger success yet I think this is a lot 614 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,800 about them and makes them even more in dury. Yeah, I mean I 615 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,880 love that fuck had that metal thing like they were like the Motorhead parts and 616 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,000 stuff like that, and you know, thrash riffs. But it's so funny 617 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,960 that they've just gone now that wasn't heavy enough and you'll get a celebration. 618 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,360 It has like you like actual like pan Terra like parts of it. Interesting 619 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,239 something that and it's almost not built around a chorus, especially like it's got 620 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,119 that part that it returns to, but it's more like you know, like 621 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,519 the Drain album we're gonna talk about later, it's about just kind of like 622 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,400 slugging it out. One of the cool moments on Me is nineteen ninety and 623 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,639 it's got that full, like fuzz bass that takes the lime light first of 624 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,639 all, and then when that like motorhead rock and roll takes over, you 625 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,280 can still hear it like, you know, just killing it. Yeah, 626 00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:59,320 ninety nineties wicked that that that fuzz up like basically like I just want to 627 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,679 be is there a Collers on this way? It just sounds like a band 628 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,199 just like say, plugging in in their garage and just rocking out like and 629 00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:07,800 again, that's one I think that's got like a really it's not really like 630 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,800 a chorus, but the betray yourself or chemicals and cons of self doubthook, 631 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,039 that's not one that just like yeah, that that's sticking. There's a weirdly 632 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,559 similar appeal I guess to like Midnight right, like I get you. That's 633 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,000 a guy who just sounds like he loves ripping out heavy metal tunes and it's 634 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:29,639 happening here and again it's the like the like US punk rock or Canadian punk 635 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,000 rock kind of version of Yeah, and again. I like them so much 636 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,400 more than all the other kind of so called alternative rock bands or whatever that 637 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,559 being beloved in like the last ten fifteen years, because so many of those 638 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:40,320 were afraid to rock in a way. The Dirty Neil, on the other 639 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,840 hand, feel like excitable puppies every time you hand them a guitar. Pup. 640 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,840 If pop were like less punk and more metal, it's those are the 641 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,480 kind of like the pushing poor of the ones who actually you know, want 642 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,079 to rock, but pup have that kind of like unhinged, scrappy like almost 643 00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:57,719 like basement hardcore thing and the dirty Neil have as you say, ex order 644 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,719 riffs like well, there's sort of Stupids, which is so dark, is 645 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,159 a lyrical but not being able to do your job because you're too distracted by 646 00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:12,719 your electric guitar, Like that is the whole attitude. It's like everything else 647 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,559 in life falls apart and it's unimportant in the shadow of the electric guitar. 648 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,519 It's nice for an old rock band actually not just to rock out, but 649 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:29,239 to sound like they like their instruments. So many of them just use as 650 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,320 like a tool to like, you know, just as backing. But there's 651 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,239 stretchers on this record where you don't get a vocal look at all. It's 652 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,880 just riff worship, guitar lick. Yeah, yeah. Stupid Dobs is like 653 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,719 the moment where there is that kind of free spiritedness like they feel like there, 654 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,519 you know, like all your problems I don't matter, let your wind 655 00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:51,679 in the hair kind of you know, play a riff and that kind of 656 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,800 charismatic spirit spirit like vocally in terms of like the slacker storytelling, is that 657 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,639 that was the moment on the album where my eyes ears really like picked up 658 00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,000 to that, and then you know those big kind of melodic songs. They 659 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,480 always allow themselves to carry themselves a kind of volume and power. First off, 660 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,360 like again Undefeated, there's like screaming in the back of that. I 661 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,000 really like the guitar riff at the start of Land of Clover where it feels 662 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,719 like it's too this kind of interesting, like kind of like hacking pattern on 663 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,360 the strings. Um I think this album again, I am so endeared by 664 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,400 the spirit of this band for all of these reasons, Like you've nailed it 665 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,920 there, the fact that this is like a band who you know, they 666 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,960 don't they're not, they don't sound like one of those best punk bands or 667 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,280 whatever. But if they turned up alongside them, you go that, Okay, 668 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:35,239 But it's not a you know, here's my story I have to tell, 669 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,480 and we're going to do a very like fucking almost just like you know, 670 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,800 mandatory like instrumental backing or whatever. For it's like, no, we 671 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,239 have come here first and foremost to get a kick out of playing loud music 672 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,960 like this. Um So, and if the fact that this album has doubled 673 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,159 down on that, I am so you're right. The fact this album exists 674 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,239 like this makes them more likable in a way. I don't think this albums 675 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,519 anywhere near the hit power of Fuck Up, like maybe even Master Volume with 676 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,639 like that's what feels like it and so on. Fuck Art is really like 677 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,559 the Dirty Nil hit Factory and Dirty Hill choruses. I've said this a couple 678 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,159 times. I mean, this is hilarious comparison, but they remind me of 679 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:15,199 Wasp where it gave me out. All Wasp choruses essentially sound the same, 680 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,880 right, like I'm a wild child, I wanna be somebody Hello, Vee 681 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,119 first fellow Diamonds. They electrics are because they all exist in that same range, 682 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:29,000 right. I love that sound, and they have so many of the 683 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,880 sickest choruses of that era, even though they are basically the same. That's 684 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,920 the Dirty Nil And for people who like the Dirty Nil and Dirty Knill, 685 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960 fans go mental for every new chorus like it's the biggest thing they've ever heard, 686 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,320 when you could probably swap it in with a chorus on a previous album 687 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,079 and no one would actually notice. But like, Fuck Art is the one 688 00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:51,480 that most feels like they've really carved that into like a distinct set of songs 689 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:55,559 and a bunch of like individually brilliant bangers, and this album, if it's 690 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,320 then retreating you to just like instinct, it does feels geared for real hits. 691 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,480 Like that experience I had walking around on New Year's Day listening to Fuck 692 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:06,599 Art and being like, oh my god, all these choruses are amazing and 693 00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:07,880 they're gonna get stuck in my head. Yeah, I didn't have that experience 694 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,159 with this album. No, I agree. I think Fuck Art is still 695 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,360 their best one, and I think it is because it is every song even 696 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,599 when you get to like the back half of that record. I think the 697 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:21,880 first half of Fuck Art is un Touched was as good as this sort of 698 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,440 music gets, and then then you go to the back half, we go 699 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:27,880 like like Ian, the biggest songs on this are probably as good as like 700 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,400 the back half of Fuck Art, like the and that That's why I say 701 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,440 the question is which I mean to me, is still amazing that that? 702 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,239 You know, that was my second favorite album of that year. So if 703 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,079 the best ones I was good as like the not like totally ten out of 704 00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,119 ten amazing songs on Fuck Up, this is still a great record. But 705 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,599 I do agree this. I don't know if this is because they're just you 706 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:49,639 know, they didn't want to write all the hits. They just wanted to 707 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:53,400 write what was fun for them in the moment. So like again, that's 708 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,280 having the authenticity on this record carries it through where it doesn't necessarily have the 709 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,079 hit power. It's a very play full than real record. It's not as 710 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,800 melodically strong as they have been. No, And to be honest, like, 711 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,639 for me, that's fine. I wouldn't want fuck Art, but bigger 712 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:12,280 I don't want. But I understand the Temptations one bounced to top themselves, 713 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,760 but for me, I think them to follow up that album with this one. 714 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,400 I think it's a pretty smart move because they're dirty or not, they 715 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,159 were in any danger of, you know, being called sellouts or anything. 716 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,000 But this arm does kind of remind me of what the appeal is in the 717 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,920 first place. And I know that's like there might sound like an old thing 718 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,920 to say because fuck art is so good, but you listen to this and 719 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,920 you go, I don't think I could do a fuck Art, but I 720 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,760 feel like I could be in the room when this is being made. Yeah, 721 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,639 it's an odd thing, but it's like there's something, there's something a 722 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:49,039 bit more kind of grounded about it, which I like relatable in a way 723 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,800 that maybe maybe wasn't as as so because the rock star energy fuck art was 724 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,719 off the charts. Yeah, I think this is their weakest set of songs 725 00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:00,079 since their debut, but it is such a pure rock music experience, and 726 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:04,559 I think that that is something to really value in today's climate when there might 727 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,920 not be bands like again quite dially into us the way it does. So 728 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,440 you guys out there, I know are a lots of you are huge Dirty 729 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,400 Neil fans. What are you making of their their fourth record, their new 730 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,760 and free Reign Too Passions. That album is out next Friday, so pencil 731 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,440 it in from one of the band at the moment, it's that time again 732 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,480 where they get to talk about one of the greatest bands ever, Cattle Decapitation. 733 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:24,960 Their new album is called Terror Sites. This one has been out for 734 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,480 about a week or so. I think pretty much everyone knows catag Decapitation by 735 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,079 now, if you've been into heavy music for more than a couple of years, 736 00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:35,239 Like there was that sort of stage of their career of like Monolith of 737 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,559 in humanity and the anthroposy and extinction about you know, ten years ago that 738 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,880 where they were the super dedicated extreme band started doing something that got them on 739 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,519 a lot more radars and became a band that a lot more people outside of 740 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:51,440 the world of death metal and grindcore began to be turned onto. I mean, 741 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,519 like, Sam, you're giggling, like you can assess the fact that 742 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:58,519 to someone just into their kind of modern metal, Catagcapitation really leveling up last 743 00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,320 decade was one of those things that like you couldn't really look away from. 744 00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:06,159 No, you had to, like if you were interested in like cool stuff 745 00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:08,159 going on in metal, as long as you had a planet to get in 746 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,519 something slight, like you can handle something a little bit extreme. You kind 747 00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:15,599 of had to take notes account Decapitation for what they were doing and it likes 748 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,000 it caught my ears and like I've been in on them ever since. Yeah, 749 00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,840 there's is a trajectory that has turned them into one of the most unique 750 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,719 death bands of all time. Like they have made like some of my favorite 751 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,719 records ever. We find themselves a kind of an intriguing point for them though, 752 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,480 because I personally feel like their records from the twenty tens form an incredible 753 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,320 kind of arc that I got to experience firsthand, where we had this like 754 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,679 rapid evolution record upon record, like Monolith through to Death Atlas. Each record 755 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,960 like introduces some really new ideas and like then double down on them and creates 756 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,719 this kind of sensation of this like extreme metal entity just like absolutely gobbling up 757 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,920 all of these different sounds and ideas and like repurposing it for its own ends. 758 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,239 And then Death Atlas almost felt like a full stop on the whole thing. 759 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,880 It's like it's like the end game of twenty tens. Cata Decapitation sound 760 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,559 like it had been taken from this just one of the most like bugnuts intense 761 00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,480 things everyone anyone recorded in Monoth of in Humanity through to this point of like 762 00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:14,599 extreme despair and like mournfulness at the end of that record where it literally just 763 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,840 ends with like the extinction of humanity, and then Cata Deputation have to pick 764 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,239 up from that both thematically and sonically, and not only that. You may 765 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,559 remember the last album had a song on it called Bring Back the Plague, 766 00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,840 which has since proven to be one of the most popular songs ever, but 767 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,360 they released that at the end of twenty nineteen. I think this record Terror 768 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,599 Site is always going to be marked with a kind of perverse irony of well, 769 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,079 the plague just happened. Where the fuck do we take this now? 770 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480 Yeah? I mean for me, this feels like a bit of a say, 771 00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,440 rebirth of the band, because it's the same sound that they've been dealing 772 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,320 with us. There's been those changes along the way, but it's definitely a 773 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,880 latter era Cattle Deeper cap record. There's nothing really on it that makes me 774 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,719 feel like it's the brave New world for them all over again. But there 775 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,119 is a thing about death at list works like this is the end, yeah, 776 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:07,039 and now it's like, what's the kind of connection to what comes after 777 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,440 that? Yeah? I mean they've very consciously done that with this record, 778 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,599 because again, if you are new to Cautterty Capitation, they make these records 779 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,159 that act as like these gargantuan kind of apocalyptic statements about like, you know, 780 00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:21,400 the kind of environmental crisis, about humanity's role in the devastation of the 781 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,880 planet, and it comes from a really horrible misanthropic standpoint of you know, 782 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,840 we've made our shitty bed and now we lie in it. But it is 783 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,239 capable, like I said, of these moments where that kind of fuck you 784 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,559 Bravardo slips a little bit and they let the sorrow flow out of it, 785 00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:37,760 which brings you to songs like the closing title track of Death Actlas, which 786 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:39,960 for people who aren't actually like familiar with counterputation and just view them as you 787 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,519 know, the silly monster man on the cover of this album, like it 788 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,440 sounds weird, but that song genuinely is like difficult to listen to at certain 789 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:51,559 moments of how genuinely moving it is in it's kind of like epitaph for the 790 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,239 human race and the incoming end. But Terra site, like I said, 791 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,679 it has to deal with the kind of musical and thematic arc of County cap 792 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,400 kind of coming to a natural inclusion and then they experience something like the pandemic 793 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,039 along the way, and the ants they've come up with is well, I 794 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,039 guess humanity evolved into something even ugly, and we just keep on doing what 795 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,400 we do, which is what that thing on the cover is Musically. I 796 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,000 think that kind of matches that ethos as well. I mean, we've got 797 00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,480 some some more you know horror where where that came from. Yeah, it's 798 00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:21,960 a weird record this because for me, it's almost like the way that Sunbather 799 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,239 is a sun kissed black metal record. This is a kind of sunkissed death 800 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:31,360 metal record because it has this new dawn quality to it that is both inviting 801 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,639 and horrifying in equal measures. Yeah, maybe some scorches that where it's like 802 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,360 the sun's come up, we've you know, we've made it, but something 803 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,320 is very, very wrong. It has all the same disdain and bile that 804 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:52,079 the last records had, but there is this sense of something else this time 805 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:58,079 around, which I think makes this to spoil it slightly, a super special 806 00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:04,760 record interesting. I think it's a really brutal, effective dose of countercaptation. 807 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,800 I think the intro sounds super fucking cool, like it's a terostitic adaptation. 808 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,440 They really get that minds imagery of what you're saying about, that kind of 809 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,320 dawn where the music there sounds like this, you know, this race of 810 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,239 things on the cover kind of emerging out of their cocoons, like all of 811 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,440 those spindly limbs. It does feel like there's a kind of twisted dawn there, 812 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,960 whether some you know, epoch is starting and it might not be a 813 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,199 positive one. Yeah, Like for me, that reminds me of the bit 814 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,519 in is it two thousand and one, where all the chimps are touching at 815 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:37,239 the monolith and I know they've but that same sense of oh, it's something 816 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:44,440 new and that's exciting but also kind of menacing that the start the struggle just 817 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,480 feels really imposing, like something bad is rising up. And I'd say, 818 00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,119 is it these insectoid human beings that are going to you know, spread across 819 00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:58,800 the earth and spread a new kind of misery that humanity seems incapable of not 820 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,559 doing. But it like set the tone of the record. I just think, 821 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:06,519 like no bands do apocalyptic quite like how Decapitation? At this point, 822 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,159 they are just a bound who won't you hit plan on record? You just 823 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,800 know that there is this impending sense of everything is going to end horribly. 824 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,760 I mean when that song boots off with the blast, like nothing equals the 825 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,719 level of force at full blasting power that candycap get like it's an actual feat. 826 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,719 How casually they've been able to make themselves sound like this absolute world ending 827 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,440 behemoth, Like how do other bands not sound like this yet? Like how 828 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,880 has no one nicked their fucking sound? Like? It is cartoonishly heavy while 829 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,599 being at like maximum sort of you know, pristineness that they've developed in the 830 00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,119 last ten years, and like, yeah, it's still a kind of you 831 00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:46,119 know, it's a supercharged, overpowered sound where you can actually still hear everything, 832 00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:50,239 like you know, you can hear the bass thundering away. We are 833 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,320 Young as an absolute ball breaker of a chune, like those songs that are 834 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,719 going to go in the live setlist, like bringing Back the Plague did good 835 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,840 God, Just like the vomiting up of that riff at the start and then 836 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:01,840 all of the tempo shifts in it are absolutely brilliant. The stomp in the 837 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,559 middle is just it's that little riff that plays right at the beginning of it 838 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:07,760 before that song blasts off, and I was going like, oh yeah, 839 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,079 that's what I want. And then you get that breakdown like Travis loocking in 840 00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,039 his vocals with the kind of like breakdown a bit in the middle straight into 841 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:20,320 the dirt like hard as fun. That bit like so good, and like 842 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,920 the hatred for humanity that pours out of that track, like you believe that 843 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,960 this is one of the most nihilistic men ever when you hear him. I 844 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,840 mean, like there's like the evil riffs in that song when it ships shifting 845 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,159 to that kind of black met a register when Travis is doing like the shriller 846 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,199 rasp, and then you get to that tempo drop and you get the gang 847 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,639 chant of the We Are Young. It's apocalyptic, but it's also just fucking 848 00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:44,320 cool as well, when it feels awesome to shout along to, which again 849 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,480 there's what something that kind of their more like live staple type songs really managed 850 00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,800 to do. Yeah, And just like you say that, the cool factor 851 00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:52,679 is something that I think is kind of underrated and cuttle decapitation, but the 852 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,559 one that stands out for me is I've been I think it's not suitable for 853 00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:00,199 life where it's like, god damn, you are rare lid gens. Yeah, 854 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:05,719 it's so like spiky and spiteful and kind of fun on that level, 855 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:07,760 and there's loads of that on this ruckle, Like we talked about the stomp 856 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,159 on We Are Young, but then like when it goes into call sort of 857 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,840 the Floydian space rock break on the Insignificance, and it's like it's just in 858 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,480 between these two sections, I feel you're in a ripped side of sewage and 859 00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:24,719 then you get lifted out for this almost pretty bit and then it goes straight 860 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,880 back to crushing you no mercy, like the insignificance be like that is like 861 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,159 an actual banger in away and that it's got so many just like actual like 862 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,559 head banging, fist pumping rifts, and like then you get that like droning 863 00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:39,360 clean volk at the end, which is like, oh yeah, no, 864 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,559 this is still you know, misery and we have always been the virus. 865 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,920 And as they build up on that, like they just they know have to 866 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,320 be like exciting and fun, but always kind of like put you in the 867 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,719 place of like, oh this is this is horrible music for fucked up like 868 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,119 that, grim but fun too. Sensibility like that again the hook that comes 869 00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:04,119 in in Terracestic Adaptation where it's like you're like bouncing out around like elbows out 870 00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:06,840 as this new race of monsters is born and the other gang vocus of the 871 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,559 site like it sounds great and in terms of like you know those chorus moments, 872 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:15,679 which again so if you've never heard countercaptation before, like it's the thing 873 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,079 that you will go what the fuck is that? Like still you know, 874 00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,719 over ten years after they started doing those things, and the world will go 875 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,519 on without you. It's a brilliant one where I think there you can again 876 00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,719 you can feel how much kind of twisted pleasure they're getting out of it, 877 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480 because you can almost like feel his tongue like swirling around in his mouth to 878 00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:36,119 get those voices us. It's creativity and just kind of like pushing the inhuman, 879 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,320 I guess, and I think that has always made them fall into this 880 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,400 kind of you know, some xtreme amount of bands they fall into kind of 881 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,119 trap of just being kind of character us right and extreme, like it's not 882 00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:49,840 always known for its charisma, but this band have always had that kind of 883 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,239 that star power and that perversity to them, something like really horrid like Old 884 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,800 Morbid Angel, the rifts in that song as well, and there is that 885 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,760 side of them, but all so particularly on its apped up on the last 886 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:07,719 couple of records, there's that sense of the mournful when the kind of drama 887 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,599 comes out of those things, which again so many bands will never ever think 888 00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:15,199 to do in this kind of lane. Skirt of the Offspring really early on, 889 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,960 which again like that riff that starts like just kicks you in the gut 890 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,360 like it's so heavy, but melodically, I think that's the real kind of 891 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,320 wow moment of like it's capable of something like genuine pathos as well, because 892 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,000 it's like as tormented and disgusting as the rest of it. But how that 893 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:37,599 melody is used in that song is heartbreaking. That like clean section where like 894 00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,400 it gets genuine kind of epic but in yeah, you're at a really like 895 00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:45,079 upsetting way, like it's really cool, and that that comes up the first 896 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:49,039 Plat song, which is like mental kind of poly river like what so many 897 00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,719 like techno bands wish is catchy as well, Like yeah, no, that's 898 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,480 what mean, Like that's when we say it's what those bands wish they could 899 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,199 come out with and all of these things. You're like, it just gives 900 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,000 them so much character, Like I could like a countercapidation and I can you 901 00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,760 know, I could do like that's couacter captation, which I couldn't do with. 902 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,559 You know, quite a lot of deathmol bands sometimes because they not face 903 00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:15,480 us, but they are just they don't have the immediately distinctive personality and character 904 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:19,119 that Cowcapetation have it in every aspect, not just Travis as of vocalist, 905 00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,880 but they playing and all that. It's so it just feels like them and 906 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,000 no one else. Well, the cleanliness of this record is a one of 907 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,159 the things I think makes Cows stand out because I can't really think of many 908 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,400 death metal bands. Well I'm happy to hear them. We almost no dut 909 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,760 under the fingernails in a sense, like you can hear every single thing. 910 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,480 And it's because they're great performers, like they'd have to fake it to have 911 00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:45,119 a muddy salady record. And the clean production on this record it makes the 912 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:51,239 sort of frantic gross parts more disorienting and upsetting. But I guess, like 913 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,719 two thousand and one, that film looks amazing, you know, nearly sixty 914 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,559 years later, and it's because it was you know, the height of technology 915 00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:04,039 at the time and similarly, the horror of what they're getting across. For 916 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:08,400 me, it's so much more vivid when it's in that sort of totally callous, 917 00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:15,079 clean, high intensity light sort of shining it in your face. And 918 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,480 again, I don't think this is the largest artistic jump for cuttle decapitation by 919 00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:24,119 any means, but I think it's the best they've delivered that thing. Well, 920 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,480 I think, well, I mean it's a comparison because again, Death 921 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,800 at Liss is quite mired in sort of it's a clean record, but it's 922 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:31,639 almost like a nighttime record in that regard, because it is you know, 923 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,000 it's it's again, it's the dusk kind of falling upon you know us, 924 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,480 and I guess it manages to get you to those moments like again that choruses 925 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,880 go to the offspring, which is the catchy thing on the record by far, 926 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,599 like again, I've been fucking singing it, but like it's so despairing 927 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,320 that kind of you know what, or wanderers life, that whole thing, 928 00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,440 and it sounds like again, with the way Travis delivers it, the kind 929 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:52,559 of image of all that, you know, these kind of myriad voices are 930 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:55,960 kind of locked in together in this kind of like doomed death rasp where like 931 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,679 he uses the word swarm in it, and it sounds like a swarm of 932 00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,159 people essentially all that kind of trying to reach out. And it's sonically as 933 00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:07,039 an unbelievable thing to achieve in terms of using the ugliness of all of the 934 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,920 tools of extreme metal and extreme metal vocals particularly, and being able to create 935 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,679 some kind of genuinely impactful, like heart tugging imagery out of it. I 936 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,800 do think the lyrics have gotten a little too Malthusian on this one, Like 937 00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:20,840 I understand the humanity as a plague sentiment, and they've trade on it for 938 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,360 so long, But I like currently like the best lakes about environmentalism and so 939 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,559 on. I think the most helpful stuff is the stuff that I guess tries 940 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:30,920 to hold power to account right and like direct that anger at the party's most 941 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,119 responsible, rather than the blanket like we all need to die, as that 942 00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:39,159 track says, actually, I think I've ironically bring back the plague. Had 943 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:43,199 a bit of that would that delete those who threatened new world? They'll find 944 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,360 a way to rid the world of finding new Tomorrow's thing like shocking for a 945 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,360 track called Somebody That's blunt, that's bring up the plague, but that there 946 00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,400 could be nuance for them to be really exploring here to avoid those pitfalls instead 947 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,039 of just regurgitating the same kind of against humanity as the virus thing over and 948 00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,599 over. But at the same time, metal is often about to kind of 949 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:06,719 like indulging in the worst sides of things, and there can be something cathartic 950 00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:09,119 about indulging and just like kind of blanket bleak, I fuck it all kind 951 00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:14,840 of misanthropy where I don't you're not meant to treat cantercapitation lyrics like social policy. 952 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,440 Right, it's just the most fuck it we are awful, which we 953 00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:21,280 often are, and there is still in that hook the core idea that does 954 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,800 speak to me of kind of being born into you know, like the worst 955 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,159 time to be a person planning a future, thinking about you know, what 956 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,960 your home is going to be like when you reach retirement age, having you 957 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,920 know, no control or saying it because the damage has already been done by 958 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,679 the people before you. And I think that's what makes it feel so mournful 959 00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,400 and tragic. And yeah, I suppose well the idea that may we haven't 960 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,679 learned the lessons from COVID. We're at this new dawn, but there is 961 00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:47,639 something fucking dark afoot, like we've gone through this extreme species wide disaster event 962 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,360 and yet things aren't actually changing and they are exceptional translating that grandeur into the 963 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,880 music, which I again instrumentally as well, like Dead End Residents has that 964 00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,159 kind of seasons in the abyss vibe in the intro, which is cool, 965 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,360 and then have that like fucking Kaiju monster scale behind it, where like these 966 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,239 horns and stuff start coming in and it's just like teetering on the end of 967 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,519 like a massive crater opening up beneath you. Yeah, I mean on the 968 00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:14,280 lyrics front, like I totally get what you're saying, and I I appreciate 969 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,159 that, you know, it is a bit like yes, we get it, 970 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,519 we get it, we suck, we know. Yes, it's out's 971 00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,760 awful. But I think that would be true if they did do the thing 972 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,639 of holding power to accounts, like things are bad and it's all their faults. 973 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,760 Things are bad and it's all their faults, I think, or at 974 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,599 least that's not true, you know. But and yeah, it's one of 975 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,519 those things that when you meet someone in person who talks like this, who's 976 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:39,480 like we all need to die, You're like, geez, I'm gonna be 977 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,239 friends with you. This is bleak. Yeah, it makes like nastic free 978 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,119 mattal Yeah, I think. I think it's all just part of making this 979 00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:52,760 record as extually respossible. It is exaggerating it because again, this is a 980 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,559 record that has a like mutated bug man calling out like a crumbling human shell 981 00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,960 as its cover. It is gonna be a little bit like exaggerated and overblown 982 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,440 in a way because it's just horror imagery, like they're going to dial it 983 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:07,599 up for that. Yeah, and then the way they build those melodies, 984 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:13,239 like you mentioned the one insignificance, it hits that point where there's that kind 985 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,320 of that melody as first song and this like somber kind of register. And 986 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,639 then but then they're able to like harmonize it with those like strangle cleans fucking 987 01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,519 weird and that's like that is just so Cattle and so un everyone else, 988 01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:28,400 like who else would think to do that? Nobody else can have that as 989 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,599 like a trope of their sound, not even like a special one off moment, 990 01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:35,039 like these are the things that you take for granted and they expect if 991 01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,239 you've heard a few Cattle albums. And then again like they're like offsetting it 992 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,599 with the big gang Vocus like the slaughter us that kind of thing. It's 993 01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:47,320 just like excellent progression of ideas and songwriting where there's the like the focus on 994 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,119 that thing that nobody else does with that singing, but there rather like shout 995 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,079 along mid range parts of other almost like the angriest part of the sound. 996 01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:54,639 I don't remember what I think it might be in that same song, but 997 01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:58,079 there's like, what the fuck did we do? And it's like Jesus christ 998 01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:04,320 Man, I'm sorry, Yeah, I mean his vote, his voice, 999 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,559 his voice, his voice like it. It's been said a thousand times, 1000 01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:14,679 but he might be the best death metal vocalist. I mean, ever, 1001 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,320 I'm not sure. Like it's so diverse, so capable, but it never 1002 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,920 feels like he's showing off or like he's just trying to be whacky and weird. 1003 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,280 Even his growl, That's the thing, is like people always took about 1004 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:29,480 his high register, but even before that, his growl was so singular and 1005 01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:32,880 so him because you could tell he was saying but it was as brutal as 1006 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:38,280 any slam vocalist. Like that seems like an oxymore doesn't even seem possible. 1007 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,320 And I think one thing that I really like about this record is I think 1008 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,960 they've gotten best for balancing the two voices. I think Death Atlas was slightly 1009 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,719 dominated by that high register thing he was doing. Not that not that I 1010 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,599 don't like that thing, but it sound like the trick kind of slightly lost 1011 01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:58,440 its flavor but towards the end of the record for me, But this time 1012 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,239 around, I think the balance is like perfectly pitched. You get enough of 1013 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:06,760 the traditional Travis, enough of what he's doing recently, and then even as 1014 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,639 you say some stuff that he hasn't really done before, he's kind of pushing 1015 01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:12,519 into new territory. Though. I mean, he's absolutely my favorite defin amitt 1016 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,039 of vocalists, just because again there's there's so much clarity to what he does. 1017 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,559 You know, again, it's not you know, his lyrics aren't buried 1018 01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:22,559 under unintelligible grunts. You can hear every word. Even when he's doing the 1019 01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:24,880 sort of high shrilled shrieks or the sort of girl of things. Every other 1020 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,559 he will slam into a really god like go really hard on that thing, 1021 01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,119 just to you know, get a bit comical with it. But in terms 1022 01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:35,599 of like like like Travis learns you, anyone I can think of, we 1023 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:39,199 would have as much personality, and you would hang on his every word because 1024 01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:43,719 you buying into the stories he's telling us it. And I guess Travis has 1025 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,239 all those other extra touches that he brings in here and there, Like I 1026 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:51,199 say, the sort of the mangled clean vocals, it's still think that like 1027 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,480 still just sounds like no one does that every time it comes in it's still 1028 01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:59,960 when those tricks that gets me because it's so distinct to him. I've got 1029 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,360 Tindy a little quivered with the mixing maybe or this one where I think Travis 1030 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:07,599 is so layered now with those parts, it's not quite as like I didn't 1031 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:10,920 necessarily understand the words of those choruses as immediately as I have on the last 1032 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,639 couple because and I think it makes it slightly less instantly memorial. There's the 1033 01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:15,840 melod at the end of a Fotic Doom, which is brilliant, but I 1034 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,639 wasn't quite sure what he was saying until I read the lyrics, and I 1035 01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:20,400 think it just bring that out a little bit more. But like there is 1036 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,519 the chemistry of these players together which is just unreal, like when they put 1037 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,920 like the where they put the double bass parts in like we are Young, 1038 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,039 where they know where to put like a sloppy as fuck slam part, like 1039 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,679 you were saying, how to do something like a fotic doom, which is 1040 01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:37,280 like an absolute double double bassed like Bulldozer, but literally no other band would 1041 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,760 color it the way they do. When it shifts like section to section with 1042 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,559 Travis jumping to your higher register and the guitar chords ring out in this kind 1043 01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,440 of more textured way. It suddenly has all this like light and shade to 1044 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,480 it, and then they will just suddenly stop everything. Here's a fucking moss 1045 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,840 riff right in the middle that's gonna like whack your head off. There's the 1046 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,079 like dun dun dun, dun, dun dun dun dun, you kind of 1047 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,840 break down, like raining blood part in Dead End Residence. That's really great. 1048 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,159 There's the three main guys who have been in this band for years now, 1049 01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,880 which is obviously Travis, but there's also Josh, who is the nuttiest 1050 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,719 guitarist, and then Dave, who is the nuttiest drummer. You cannot imagine 1051 01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:08,880 anyone else locking in together the way they do. Like again, the fact 1052 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,840 that these are the rest that you can always to come out on a water 1053 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,119 pilot or whatever is fucking it's balmy. How effortless they make this feel like, 1054 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,320 are so technical but so listenable and so enjoyable. I was almost expecting 1055 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,920 to go in the kind of like Black Nettle direction a bit after Death Outlas, 1056 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,280 which they haven't done really. I think you were saying about the kind 1057 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,840 of their higher end kind of sound of Death Outlas. There's a bit more 1058 01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,920 maybe that kind of just sort of groove stuff on this record. Yeah, 1059 01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,000 and that wasn't a certain thing I didn't like about Death Outlass, but I 1060 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:40,199 think that I do think the balance is stronger this time around, like because 1061 01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:44,039 I like Carl Decap when they grow like they're fucking amazing at it. Like 1062 01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,000 again, what was it, Scourge of the Scourge of the Offspring? Yeah, 1063 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,679 yeah, Scourge of the Offspring. We've talked about the mournful, you 1064 01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:57,280 know, sad bit and that. But the breakdown, the beat, the 1065 01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,760 hate five six level beat down of that song is incredible, and I like 1066 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,920 that side of their sound, so I'm really thrilled they're bringing more of that 1067 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,119 out. I agree that the Black Little Thing, it would have been maybe 1068 01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:14,719 more interesting if they brought that to the format that's expected. I expected them 1069 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,280 to go in because that's the true get right off, and I was a 1070 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,119 bit surprised that it didn't. Well, maybe I'm happy they've gone into the 1071 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:24,599 sort of the heavy groove territory that That's one thing I've really jelded on this 1072 01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:28,480 record is just how many big slamming riffs and grooves there are. I mean, 1073 01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,639 yeah, this aim might be more sort of essential as a cuttle decap 1074 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:34,239 record if it had done something maybe more wildly different like that. But I 1075 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:40,079 think as a cuttle decap record, it's more successful in and of itself for 1076 01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,440 having that balance. See you obviously you like this a lot more than Death 1077 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,400 Out As. I remember when we spoke about cut Up before, you weren't 1078 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,719 as enamored with Death Out as as I was. Which, again, my 1079 01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,360 favorite Cutley records are the two before that, the Death at As. Again, 1080 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,400 it's like a completion of an arc of that. I have to say 1081 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,000 that I do not like this record as much as the previous bunch, and 1082 01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,480 I think it's monolith through Death at As being kind of complete at arc has 1083 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,840 colored this album a bit. Where again I consider this band to be one 1084 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,559 of my most like beloved bands. Where I'm comparing this to literally some of 1085 01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:10,079 my favorite records ever made. I don't think it's that, and I think 1086 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,960 it comes down to in the past, particularly the earlier ones of those monothin 1087 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,559 Humanity and then Anthropasyne, how rapidly they tore through those ideas and developments on 1088 01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:20,639 those records. They invented a sound that pretty much no one else had, 1089 01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:24,960 like one of the most insane unique seals to ever exist in metal, Like 1090 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,559 it is truly balmy what this band sound like like. You could never accuse 1091 01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:30,360 them of having any lack of identity. If anything, the criticisms of them 1092 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,519 come from like that identity being in like excess. But again that was somebody 1093 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,840 ought to watch play out in real time. And here they still have this 1094 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,480 mental fucking sound that they are the masters of, and this record is great 1095 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,840 at it. But I think it's definitely not as unpredictable as it once was, 1096 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:47,320 and I think the formula of this thing they've worked out to me is 1097 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,000 a lot more noticeable on this record. And again I know that some people 1098 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,360 had criticisms of Like Death out of that reason, particularly in relation to the 1099 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:58,199 clean vocals. I didn't have the problem there because I think the actual structures 1100 01:06:58,199 --> 01:07:01,039 themselves were still so live wire. This one feels a lot more like a 1101 01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:04,000 song starts here with a kind of low groove riff, does this type of 1102 01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:06,920 riff. Eventually it reaches such and such a point and you know, we'll 1103 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,679 blow up into something a little bit larger. And even though like in sound, 1104 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,840 this record basically sounds like the Anthroposy Extinction and Death actles do subtly in 1105 01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,920 my brain there is a big difference being formed about I guess what kind of 1106 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,599 experience it is. I mean, I next never necessarily a subscribe to this 1107 01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:26,360 about these records, but it reminds me of how Bees and Steve used to 1108 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,880 talk about one of us as the Killer by Dillinger, or All We Love 1109 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,000 We Leave Behind by Converge, where like, absolutely nothing sounds like it, 1110 01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:35,320 but they are the least revelatory records in their cannon. Like I just remember 1111 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:40,519 something like Anthroposyne absolutely fucking throwing me around in all these different directions where I 1112 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:43,440 never knew what tempo someone was going to boot or whatever, whether whether you 1113 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,719 know where there was going to be like an industrial break or that kind of 1114 01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:47,880 thing. This I didn't have that. Yeah, I think that's fair, 1115 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:53,000 because I do agree this is probably the least surprising Cowdcap album. But for 1116 01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,360 me, I never find that too bobs him because I'm just like, the 1117 01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:00,000 songs are just really fucking good, and so I guess if you're desperate for, 1118 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:03,559 you know, to keep finding ways to you know, keep you on 1119 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:08,719 your toes, then this maybe feel a little bit less exciting for me. 1120 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,800 I'm fine with, you know, just doing more of what they've been incredible. 1121 01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,840 I really really really enjoy this record. Right again, this is one 1122 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,239 of my absolute favorite bands, Like, this is one of my like it's 1123 01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,479 my favorite death not or release of the year so far for sure. I 1124 01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:25,039 guess I've got to find the line to divide where at what point do this 1125 01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:28,439 band stop making like my favorite fucking records that exist and just start making great 1126 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,840 records? Right? And I'm one that line, like, I can see 1127 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,239 why you would hold this band to a higher standard than me. Where I'm 1128 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:40,760 like, if they're going to just hit the point where they're just doing good 1129 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,479 basically, yeah, I agree with that, But im I always I always 1130 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,720 kind of had that in my mind. I was like, bands who do 1131 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,960 some revolutionary eventually they have to stop doing that revolutionary thing and just kind of 1132 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:55,319 settle into it. And if this is the period where Countercaps start to settle 1133 01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:00,039 into it, well, it's still like incredible for me, it doesn't it 1134 01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:04,279 doesn't bother me at all that this is in quotes more of the same because 1135 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,199 Character Capitation one of the hardest bands to pick a favorite album off because they've 1136 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:14,319 nailed two completely different sounds. They arguably three if you want to go go 1137 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:19,680 grind on the first two releases. So yeah, well that's it. But 1138 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,720 so to say, until bound to do a special on if there was ever 1139 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,680 the like, I'd love to do it. But let's say broadly two sounds 1140 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,359 that they've nailed and the latter one being the one that's really made them popular. 1141 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,680 It's not like someone else has picked up the man. Well, I'm 1142 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,880 sure those records have been influential, but there's no one ripping off Castle because 1143 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:44,159 it's impossible. So if every three or four years you get a record in 1144 01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:48,439 this style where every song is fantastic, I'm not all that bothered that it's 1145 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:53,239 maybe not that much a leap. Yeah, I think particularly, I think 1146 01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:55,680 it's the structures where like I think it's about the point in the record of 1147 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,960 the Storm Upstairs you really start to notice it, where like it's Trap five 1148 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,279 and at that point you've had terrotiic adaptation and the nificance before it that can't 1149 01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:02,520 do the same thing of like again, what kind of riff. It starts 1150 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,039 off with about two and a half minutes, and it would deploy that the 1151 01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:10,399 melodic break whatever. On my first couple of listens, most of the songs 1152 01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:12,920 passed the two singles that I had heard. I was struggling to remember which 1153 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,199 one was which, because they all start with that same groovy riff, have 1154 01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:16,479 a part of that two minutes SAI opens out to a melody, etc. 1155 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,239 And that's basically the structure that Manufactured Extinct had already perfected back in twenty fifteen. 1156 01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:23,239 And I think it can maybe do with a couple songs that you get 1157 01:10:23,239 --> 01:10:25,760 on Death out list to go for something different, like they have like maybe 1158 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,159 a two minute song here and there. I'll have a song that throws out 1159 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,800 a chorus part really early on and then switches to a different riff and then 1160 01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,800 gets a totally different like vast on melodic part or whatever, which I think 1161 01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,920 that record does particularly well. And I think again, it's having all of 1162 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,000 these songs in sequence on this. You put on any one of these songs 1163 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,760 individually and it would just like fucking smack, You be like, what the 1164 01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,520 fuck is this? They are like they are the rare extreme metal band who 1165 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,359 peaked on albums like seven and eight, and you might say nine if Death 1166 01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:53,079 at list is your favorite, Like most bands land on their sound much earlier 1167 01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:55,800 than that, and they're always going to be looking at you know, album 1168 01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,239 one to three or whatever. For like a death metal band, Cat will 1169 01:10:58,279 --> 01:11:00,239 have this extremely unique story of building changing. This is ALB number ten, 1170 01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:04,680 and it definitely feels like that Arc of seven eighty nine is then at their 1171 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,880 most inspired, I guess, and now they have this sound that they've formed 1172 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,520 of all those things that they've done that no one else has, and they 1173 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,720 continue to just write some really good materials. You can see the moments coming 1174 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,319 more. But it does still sound incredible, and I do think that the 1175 01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:24,880 last couple of tracks on this are very welcome in that regard because Solstalgia burst 1176 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,119 in with this like huge melodic and motive black metal blast like straight away instead 1177 01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:30,520 of sort of waiting to get to it. You're not going to mistake that 1178 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,920 song when it starts with any of these other ones. And then the chorus 1179 01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:35,920 maybe feels the most earns to me when it kind of it properly is like 1180 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,159 the culmination of the song, like it had been really building this sense of 1181 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,079 desperation over the song and then it boils over in brilliant fashion, and then 1182 01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,399 that leads into Just Another Body, which is their new longest song there and 1183 01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,600 you know they're following in I'm Made in the Metallica's footsteps of continuing to get 1184 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,520 longer over the years. But again, this song, it doesn't quite hit 1185 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,000 me like that you reduce me to a puddle the way the Tatle track of 1186 01:11:55,039 --> 01:12:00,000 Death Actus does, but the way they get grace out of horror is yeah, 1187 01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:01,680 pretty much peat less. But at this point, I mean, I 1188 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,000 think this song is stunning as a closer like beginning with like just the saddest 1189 01:12:06,079 --> 01:12:10,920 kind of strings and illustration in it, like and all that it is. 1190 01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:14,039 It is slow and grandios It takes a couple of minutes to really get to 1191 01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,680 the vocals, but again it's a nine minute track, doesn't doesn't feel that 1192 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,680 long to me. It is ridiculously heavy when it goes, but it's got 1193 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:26,199 nuanced and intricacies and delicate touches here and there. The middle part of it's 1194 01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:30,279 probably the most like typical countercap death mettle part of it, but there's the 1195 01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:33,880 way it just builds and unfils and you get the child clean vocals as it 1196 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,479 really sort of takes off and you just get that gorgeous sort of sweeping intromental 1197 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:41,840 to close it. I think, I think it's an amazing I like that 1198 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,800 on the last couple of records. Again, it's the kind the sort of 1199 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,640 thing that they introduced on Death Atlas, and they've taken it further here is 1200 01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:50,800 he started crooning like as well as doing you know, the kind of all 1201 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:55,520 that shit Like he's just started doing cruoning and that you know, I'm just 1202 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,079 a body. That little subtle hook again it's it's been in my head again. 1203 01:12:58,119 --> 01:13:00,520 It's so heavy and mood and then it paints it so well, that 1204 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,960 kind of funeral mark towards the end of the album and that sinfu line that's 1205 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,760 kind of flutters down over it. But like they do now, they exist 1206 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,800 in such a specific lane where you're never going to mistake a categy record for 1207 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,600 anyone else's. But you don't get that without being so eclectic in your influences, 1208 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,359 where like they are like, you know, a technical kind of brutal 1209 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:19,600 slash, you know, kind of brutal death grind band, but there is 1210 01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,680 a bit of gough in there, like the cateycap that's covered Dead Can Dance. 1211 01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,520 It's here, and even if I guess the stream of new ideas an 1212 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,680 unpredictability to slow down, that is still special. I think these last two 1213 01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,760 songs are a big part of maybe why I didn't get the sort of predictability 1214 01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,039 factor with this record, because when I put it on for most of it, 1215 01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:42,399 yeah, you're in sort of cattle decapitation land, which is a frightening 1216 01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,880 place. You're sort of in that world in the tornado, And in these 1217 01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:51,119 last two songs, for me, they had such I mean, the scale 1218 01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:55,640 is already pretty substantial this record, but they just heighten it even more, 1219 01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:00,520 and particularly just another Body by the end of that, I'm not necessarily emotionally 1220 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,119 devastated in the way that death at as that affects on you and yadiada, 1221 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:09,920 but I'm just in awe of the band, and by extension, this record. 1222 01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:14,720 The fact that it takes you to a death metal band is able to 1223 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,760 take you to that place at all is amazing, let alone one that's so 1224 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:24,199 clinical and technical and brutal, and like you say, ten albums in it's 1225 01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:28,680 I wouldn't even say that. You can say nap on death or I mean 1226 01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:33,199 maybe more boundary pushing, yes, But I don't think they were reaching necessarily 1227 01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:39,199 their best records or their most significant records at that point. I don't know 1228 01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,319 about that because I'm such a huge fan of like you know, Apex, 1229 01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:45,119 Predator, Easy Me, kind of utilitarian kind of stuff about me. It's 1230 01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:46,680 a very good record, indeed, Like, even if it isn't going to 1231 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,680 be kind of in contented for my Album of the Year spot like a counter 1232 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,760 decap record normally would be, it's probably still going to be in my list 1233 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,399 right So terror Site by Accountter Decapitation. One of the mans who've been seriously 1234 01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,079 upcoming in the world of death metal in the last few years is Frozen Soul 1235 01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:03,920 and this is their new echo, Glacial Domination. They are from Texas and 1236 01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:09,000 of that wave of death metal bands who are particularly kind of charged forward. 1237 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,119 The baton to take over the conversation said about twenty nineteen. I guess it's 1238 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:15,359 when the conversation sort of really started to lean into this to this particular camp 1239 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,039 of bands, they are the ones who have to sort of the crossover with 1240 01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:21,279 hardcore audiences, primarily so you sang with Suga Bogs to Understab Wounds, Tribal 1241 01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:24,840 Gaze. I think, aside from Undeath, who do kind of feel the 1242 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,079 most kind of ingrained in purely death metal culture. I guess Frozen Soil on 1243 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,920 my favorite of those, like certainly of the kind of x maggot stomp bands 1244 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,640 like I really really enjoyed their debut album, Crypt Device, which we reviewed 1245 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,880 right at start a twenty twenty one. I thought it had someone just the 1246 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:41,279 purely like catchiest old school death matter riffs of that year, which is often 1247 01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:43,680 the part where some of the new bands kind of falter again, Like them 1248 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,760 and Undeath have been like the genuinely strong songwriters of that corrup. I enjoy 1249 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,119 the atmosphere, the cold school death metal that you know, frigid, hypothermic 1250 01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:54,279 kind of feel in death metal, and they are one of the bands of 1251 01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:56,039 that lot. I have been able to catch live as well because they came 1252 01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:58,880 over to the UK with nine Feats very recently and they were a fearsome proposition 1253 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,119 there. Sam. I know when we review Creptiviz you are ironically a little 1254 01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:05,079 lukewarm on it, but you are not adversed. You know, meaty good 1255 01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:09,279 death metal songwriting like this, Elliott, what are your thoughts on I guess 1256 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,319 so far Frozen siles kind of a band of promise. Yeah, I really 1257 01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:15,000 liked the last record. It wasn't up there for me in terms of like 1258 01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:18,079 for me, it wasn't other with the best death metal arms of recent years. 1259 01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,079 I wouldn't say it was like they were like hidden history of the human 1260 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:24,760 race. That's like a Paradis sucking dartside of the moon, you know. 1261 01:16:26,359 --> 01:16:30,079 I would say they might be of all the new death metal bands, I 1262 01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:31,439 think they might actually be the best at sitting in the four four zone, 1263 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:35,880 And there's not a lot doing that sort of building songs at that kind of 1264 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:41,840 speed, And for me, it's such a gap in the market in that 1265 01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,840 sense, because that's why like Domination by Ball but Angel is so great. 1266 01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:48,039 One of the reasons why Heartwork is so great. It's the crunch and when 1267 01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:51,279 in death metal now, so many bands are either pure filth or kind of 1268 01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:56,319 eye rolling Lee brainy and I love bands in each camp, but it's called 1269 01:16:56,319 --> 01:17:00,960 to have a band that just slam hard. Yeah, They're Their second album 1270 01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:02,319 is one of the things from this world that would have had the most curiosity 1271 01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:05,279 around it anyway, because not only were Inning with the second album a decently 1272 01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:10,439 popular new band, but This album also marks the producer debut of Matt Hafey, 1273 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,239 the Trivia frontman, who we have long praised Matt Hafey for his approach 1274 01:17:14,279 --> 01:17:16,439 to kind of promoting new artists, Like he's always someone who has his finger 1275 01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,000 on the pulse and will take to social media to point fans of you know, 1276 01:17:19,079 --> 01:17:25,199 his very popular mainstream metal band towards genuinely underground artists and like new faces 1277 01:17:25,239 --> 01:17:27,560 alike. So it doesn't surprise me that he was in on Frozen Soul. 1278 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,239 There was the intriguing question of like, how would a guy you makes music 1279 01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:33,640 that sounds like that make his kind of approach malleable to produce an underground death 1280 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,039 metal band. Yeah, and it's funny because you know the instincts. It's 1281 01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:41,159 the thing. Is he going to make it really clean, overly precise? 1282 01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,920 You know? That was a worry and it definitely is more thier than the 1283 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,640 debut, right yeah. Yeah, Like for me, this is less of 1284 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,279 a tornado of stalactites and it's more like just a ton of snow being dropped 1285 01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:56,960 on your head. You know. On one hand, maybe you think some 1286 01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,399 of the mystery has gone or the allure, But for me, I think 1287 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,399 if these songs did have the production that Crypts of Ice had. I would 1288 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:08,039 kind of hope if it's maybe something a bit more clean, something a bit 1289 01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:12,760 more precise, something a bit more meaty, because I think they've written songs 1290 01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,399 that are suited to that production style. Yeah, I think that. I 1291 01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:18,800 didn't have any sorts with the production, Like I forgot. I was gonna 1292 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,159 Matt if you've done it, and I was like, oh, yeah, 1293 01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:26,800 Like he just makes these sound just big meaty death metal grooves and big riffs 1294 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,439 and it just sounds hard and I'm cool with that. Well, I mean, 1295 01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,760 it starts with like a horror harpsichord stab, but whatever you're doing, 1296 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,960 and that's that's always there's weird synth bits that are the one thing we're going 1297 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,960 to fubably come up with. But well, I mean I was taken aback 1298 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,399 by the manic approach of that first riff when it comes in. It's almost 1299 01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:45,319 like kind of cannibal corpse thrashing aggression. I think this record is pretty fucking 1300 01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:48,960 rad. Like I put this on and immediately I was having so much fun, 1301 01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:54,920 like scrunching my face up, pumping my fist for a start again. 1302 01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,920 It's the core thing in the sound that was already there. But I just 1303 01:18:57,079 --> 01:19:01,000 love their like rolling tank approach to death metal riffs, like when Invisible Tormentor 1304 01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:06,479 sets into its main verse. It is so thick and crushing and powerful and 1305 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,520 like a few years ago, at some point in the last decade, Bolt 1306 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,840 Thrower became the band that every band wanted to wear T shirts off. But 1307 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,760 I don't know if any newer band has taken to writing Bolt Thrower riffs as 1308 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,880 effectively as Frozen Soul have. Yeah. No, that's sort of like the 1309 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:25,760 where they they sort of steamroll through these these riffs, the sort of drum 1310 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,479 beats, the riffs. I had a really good time with this, which 1311 01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,079 I wasn't necessarily so I was going to after being a bit you know, 1312 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,159 the first one was right, I just I don't know if I just sort 1313 01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:38,039 of turned the stent brand was like enjoy the Caveman, just like slamming riffs, 1314 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,119 but there is a bit more to it. But yeah, just the 1315 01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:45,079 way they just lay into a riff, it just it's really hard and just 1316 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,039 yeah, I just sort of scrunch your face and just nod your head and 1317 01:19:48,079 --> 01:19:51,720 just stomp around. It did hit that button for me, yeah, I 1318 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,520 mean for me, you know, full house. I think this is really 1319 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,079 solid, fucking great throughout because ultimately it does moral a one thing, but 1320 01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:05,560 it doesn't really effectively like it's bludgeoning. There's no to breathe, there's almost 1321 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,520 no coming up for air. Most of this record is just the slamming mites 1322 01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,279 of frozen soul playing on ten and it's not gonna win a pollit surprise, 1323 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,079 but it does make you pull the face and sometimes that's enough. Yeah, 1324 01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:20,680 and you're write it does. Obviously it's got one sort of you know, 1325 01:20:21,079 --> 01:20:25,399 it's playing a style of death now. But I do think this record has 1326 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,439 songs that you can go, oh yeah, it's that one right, Like 1327 01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,199 it's not just the same, you know, sort of murk over and over, 1328 01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:32,079 like there are really distinct things on it. Again, in Visible Tormentor 1329 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,039 has so many more sick tempo changes, and I expected when it goes into 1330 01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:40,479 that fucking more Tissian stomp in the middle is so good Arsenal of Wars that 1331 01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:44,960 the opening runs just Arsenal War is like that thrashing tempo that's really cool. 1332 01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:46,920 The production sound. Again, when we spoke about the first single, I 1333 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,560 was slightly taking abat by it because I'm so used to these records having that 1334 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:54,279 kind of level of like churning darkness to them. Trivian records sound great for 1335 01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:57,079 being Trivian records, but I wasn't sure how I felt about that level of 1336 01:20:57,079 --> 01:21:00,279 like pristineness being applied to an old school Death Now record. But then I 1337 01:21:00,319 --> 01:21:01,720 guess you think about you know again, you mentioned it heartwork, right, 1338 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,479 Like that's an extremely state of the art production job for what before was the 1339 01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:11,600 band who just made nacroticism mental. And I think if you are like a 1340 01:21:12,119 --> 01:21:15,880 kind of death metal casual and you mainly listen to maybe less extreme style as 1341 01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,560 of Death Now, I think go for this, and because you might have 1342 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,199 a lot of fun with it, because it sounds massive in the way that 1343 01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:25,279 like more mainstream metal can do. And I think crucially, it doesn't sound 1344 01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:29,319 super you know, processed or compressed whatever. It still sounds like you can 1345 01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:31,159 hear them laying it down in the studio, but it sounds really professional in 1346 01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:33,479 a way that you might not expect. And I think that the way these 1347 01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:38,479 riffs just make you in that like primal digestible way you want to bang your 1348 01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,439 head along. It's the same principle that we've said about something like spirit World 1349 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,600 or whatever just done in death mattal it's just like killer grooves. Yeah, 1350 01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,159 I think I think that is probably one of the things that made me viable. 1351 01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:51,960 This is that it is really like it's not murky and kind of like 1352 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,199 doesn't feel like there's like a layer of like mark, you've got work for 1353 01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:00,000 you to really get into it. The songs sound really like pristine without sending 1354 01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:05,319 clinical and lifeless. The vocals again, not as much character, I say, 1355 01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:09,880 you know character we're talking about, but there's a real clarity character. 1356 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,399 I think I can picked this guy at my lineup. Yeah, no, 1357 01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:15,439 no, that's not as much as what we're talking about. I don't want 1358 01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,199 to hear him, but it's never really vocalist, but there is clarity. 1359 01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:23,560 This is the kind of vocalist who I would enjoy hearing doing guest spots on 1360 01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,279 other band songs. Right Like if I would to another track from Under two 1361 01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:30,960 Understand Who's Wherever it may be and this guy from First and Soul Times Up, 1362 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,560 I go like, yes, that guy, hearing him like bottling him 1363 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,920 like a knock lose track him like a hard like rocking love to hear that 1364 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,960 laying on like a really heavy bit, like that'd be really cool. Um 1365 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,439 yeah, and they they they've got like a just like the way at the 1366 01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,920 start of Default Glory Deafine Glory that I'll carry in my arsenal war, like 1367 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:53,520 he's able to get those those lines and those vocal hooks in there that I 1368 01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,840 was like, oh, yeah, cool, I can I can go with 1369 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,800 this. And I think that the production it just it sounds big without not 1370 01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:04,119 losing any of the meanness, and that really I found really a fun combo. 1371 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,800 I think the vocal hooks for me that lot to justify the clean production, 1372 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,199 because for me, the thing for me wasn't necessarily I thought it is 1373 01:23:12,199 --> 01:23:15,359 going to be too clean. I just wondered if Matt Heathy is a slightly 1374 01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:19,760 too technically minded musician to move into the sort of producing death metal records, 1375 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,920 because you know, you listen to those albums that there's never a bum note 1376 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,119 he's so you know, he nails it every single time, and I mean 1377 01:23:27,119 --> 01:23:29,119 you look at his guitar strap. That is not someone with a lot of 1378 01:23:29,159 --> 01:23:32,159 sort of fuck it energy and to be honest, so when he when he 1379 01:23:32,199 --> 01:23:35,760 moved over to do this, I did think a Frozen Soul going to get 1380 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,119 a bit mechanical, is going to be too perfect. He's gonna be telling 1381 01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:43,720 them to redo things. But the vocal hooks, if they were buried in 1382 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,880 the level of murk that the last record have had, I would be thinking 1383 01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:51,439 this album is too big for this production job. So even though my gut 1384 01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:56,520 reaction is like, you know, a bit more grip, please listening to 1385 01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,359 it, I think it the songs and the production work in tandem this time 1386 01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:02,479 around. Well, I think one of those moments where you might think about 1387 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,279 Matty if it was either the fact that there does have more coaxed out vocal 1388 01:24:06,319 --> 01:24:09,720 hooks, and again, this kind of class of bands a lot of the 1389 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,760 time it can be quite, you know, in decipherable. I think Frozen 1390 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,279 Soil were already primed to do that and already ahead because you know about the 1391 01:24:15,319 --> 01:24:18,760 title track on crypt of Ice, like they've had those things before. And 1392 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,960 again I really liked the singer's voice. It's that it tapped by part of 1393 01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:26,560 my brain that has never gotten over Carl. But it's going wold each other 1394 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,880 and like a similar to has got the same feeling on this, but you've 1395 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,079 got the forged Denis on this, like yeah, like that. You think 1396 01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:38,640 about Matt Hafey again, like he's worked with so many producers in trivia, 1397 01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,560 you know, David Draymond of course, but you know, like really helping 1398 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,199 vocal arrangements pop and the ending of that song with the you know, see 1399 01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:48,880 the blood drain in his casket, you will rivee in pain into the drop, 1400 01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:51,039 which I thought he was gonna say rivee in peace at first, which 1401 01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:57,000 would have absolutely made it. But like most songs have a really like probably 1402 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,920 the title of them will be a really legible kind of raw along part. 1403 01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,840 Again the fact they have the frozen soul like eponymous track. It's so fun 1404 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,880 to hear him snarling all over that where you can actually hang onto the words 1405 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,960 and the cadence of his words, like I have never heard someone make the 1406 01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,880 word abominable have a rhythm to it that is so catchy as like abominable on 1407 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:19,159 this, it's really fun. And when they put that together with the like 1408 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,079 the crispness of the sound where it doesn't sound like a subterranean monster like it 1409 01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,000 was on crypt Device. But when they do those rests like death and glory, 1410 01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:29,560 it sounds so metal and so sharp, like someone found a way to 1411 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,520 make more Titian riffs sound like contemporary metal. Like I can't believe it. 1412 01:25:33,399 --> 01:25:38,359 I think like it's not got that like yeah, that dingy dark ridment boom 1413 01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,720 and we look at the coat. It's got like a certainly grander or effic 1414 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,199 field while still just being really just like hard tough death. Yeah, and 1415 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:47,039 I think it's a really fun blend. Yeah. And then when they kind 1416 01:25:47,039 --> 01:25:50,640 of they put that vocal ability together with the instrumental arrangements, there's like that 1417 01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,079 arsenal of war and it will drops out and like the midpace riff after it 1418 01:25:55,159 --> 01:25:58,479 drops out, that made me like pop in my fucking seat, when others 1419 01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,479 like there are multiple parts in this record where I made a noise because they 1420 01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,000 particularly satisfying riff came in and like even though again it's in a similar thin 1421 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,840 and it kept doing it, but like that that bendy riff like halfway through 1422 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:11,319 the very last track is one of the absolute nastiests and so it's still delivering 1423 01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:15,079 it. They go like super full on slammy at times like morbid Effigy might 1424 01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:16,920 as well be dying fet so that bit when John Gallagher Turns Up is like 1425 01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:21,039 supernatural and really fun. But they put that together with these more foreboding energies, 1426 01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:26,279 which is really cool. And the title track has an almost like a 1427 01:26:26,359 --> 01:26:29,600 monom moth riff, which is an amazing flavor to hearing that, and I 1428 01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:31,159 think that is the song they say they co wrote with Matt Hafey, and 1429 01:26:31,159 --> 01:26:34,680 you can hear that because that kind of like melodic metal riff thing, but 1430 01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:40,119 it's on this like fist sluggy tempo and it's a really unique, cool combination. 1431 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,159 That's my favorite song on the record, and I think it is that 1432 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,279 it's doomy melodic take on what Frozen Soil of doing on the rest of it, 1433 01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:50,600 because you know, the big slamming riff they've already nailed that, they 1434 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,239 no notes for any of that. Adding a kind of melodic take on it, 1435 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,319 I think just as a thing in the middle of the record, particularly 1436 01:26:58,319 --> 01:27:01,640 after that Annihilation sort of frosty slasher soundtrack, a bit of synth work for 1437 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,439 an interlude. It's not gonna make this record of multidimensional. You know, 1438 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,960 who knows what's going to happen next on the Frozen Soul album, but it 1439 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,840 does. And I didnt see that. No exactly, that's I mean to 1440 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,119 me, that's what I suppose. But then on this on the title track, 1441 01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:19,640 I mean the side of the band title track, what do they call 1442 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:24,840 those eponymous songs pontomous tracks, the title track here with Glacier Domination, the 1443 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:31,039 eponymous track record. Yeah, on the eponymous track, having that kind of 1444 01:27:31,359 --> 01:27:35,600 heightened drama, I'd like to see them do more of that in the future. 1445 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,560 And not necessarily it's like, oh, you're going to be a bigger 1446 01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,520 band that way. I just think it makes them sound a lot more interesting. 1447 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,359 Yeah, I mean, like Bolt Thrower had that epic sensibility to them, 1448 01:27:44,359 --> 01:27:46,439 and so it is cool to hear bands again sang with sugamog are ever 1449 01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,279 and never They're not built to do that kind of thing. So it's been 1450 01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:51,720 nice to hear one of these bands sort of going a bit you know, 1451 01:27:53,159 --> 01:27:56,479 large scale like that, and the fact that it has like solos as well, 1452 01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,479 like the solo and Abominable goes fucking crazy like they are. They do 1453 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,920 that while also being like a really like purely head bangable band, which is 1454 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,119 such such a good feeling, Like these guys write great riffs and they know 1455 01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:10,399 how to arrange a song to make those riffs pop in secrets with another. 1456 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,399 It's you know, it's not rocket science, but they're fucking good at it. 1457 01:28:14,279 --> 01:28:15,920 Somebody just going to respect the basics, haven't you really of just being 1458 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,880 able to like put that together and away. That is really satisfying to hear, 1459 01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:23,159 Like, I don't think this band even again, they have made some 1460 01:28:23,239 --> 01:28:27,039 leaps, like glacial domination and stuff, but they don't feel like they're trying 1461 01:28:27,079 --> 01:28:30,319 to go super hard beyond what they are capable of. And I don't mean 1462 01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:31,720 that in a negative way. It feels like a band who are very confident 1463 01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,000 in their identity and like what kind of definitely they want to play and what 1464 01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:39,560 sort of atmosphere and feeling they want frozen soul to evoke. And like when 1465 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,479 you see these guys playing together, they feel so locked in, like they're 1466 01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,560 just heads down, plowing the sts, marching forward. They can add in 1467 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,039 a bit of VHF deathinittal atmosphere or some horceins when they about it. At 1468 01:28:48,079 --> 01:28:51,119 most they dropped some eighty sims, which I'm like, I kind of always 1469 01:28:51,119 --> 01:28:54,119 like, if you're gonna do this in future, maybe try and into get 1470 01:28:54,199 --> 01:28:56,600 into the songs. More rather than you know, just tacked onto the beginning 1471 01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,319 again, of all the bands may be writing songs about the thing, it 1472 01:28:59,399 --> 01:29:00,840 might as well be the band who sing about ice anyway, right, and 1473 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,479 then Atomic Winter has it has got some fucking Godzilla stuff going on. Yeah, 1474 01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,680 no, like that's what I find there was just like a fun a 1475 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,640 bit far away, but you know, I was like, I'm not going 1476 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,680 to object to them mix it in there just to give the odd little change 1477 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,720 of sound to sort of separate out of the tracks. It doesn't all just 1478 01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:21,800 become one end. There's kind of like on slaughter riffs. Yeah, I've 1479 01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,079 forgotten that they're playing the firs Day bloodsot this year, which is going to 1480 01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:27,039 be a killer. I don't know if there's another band. I think, 1481 01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:30,680 like you said, Elliott, carrying on the kind of groove death metal spirit 1482 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,000 of like bolt throwing a bituery better than this right now, Like I think 1483 01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:39,560 there's more intense boundary pushing extreme stuff or whatever. But just for like thick, 1484 01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,560 catchy hook tunes that make you want to nod your head. This record 1485 01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:47,079 doesn't quit. No, And to be honest, like it's weird that that's 1486 01:29:47,079 --> 01:29:51,560 a unique thing that's the selling point that it's like it's basic and does the 1487 01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:57,640 thing that it's basic in doing to a really high standard, and sometimes all 1488 01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,520 it takes is a bit of frostiness. It's so sturned out. So for 1489 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:08,359 me, as a follow up again an initial reservations about the production initially after 1490 01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,880 listening to it for a week or two, I think this is exactly what 1491 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,560 they should have done at the next stage and holding in on that groovness is 1492 01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,000 a clever move. Yeah, Glacial domination by Frozen Soul, I mean may 1493 01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:24,600 be approaching summer, but this particular day we are unbelievably getting even colder. 1494 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,359 It's it's so good that we get to put Frozen Soul than Immortal next to 1495 01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:32,800 each other in their reviews. It is a Mortal and their new record War 1496 01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:38,479 Against All one of the most I mean probably the most recognizable Norwegian black metal 1497 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,159 audible time right. Like it's a band with a legend and a cannon of 1498 01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:44,439 works behind them that, in my mention and at least has like no duds. 1499 01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:45,399 Like I know that there are records here and there that have flaws in 1500 01:30:45,399 --> 01:30:47,199 them, you know, your Blizzards beat or whatever, but I basically love 1501 01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:50,960 all the Immortal records. I've been enjoying digging out some Immortal again recently as 1502 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,039 well, Like I've been listened to dand in Black and I've been remembering how 1503 01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,119 unbelievably intense battles in the North Ears and all this great music. But it's 1504 01:30:58,119 --> 01:31:00,479 been a weird fucking time to be an AM Mortal, And isn't it. 1505 01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,800 I mean, like you say, not the most consistent band, but reliably 1506 01:31:06,039 --> 01:31:10,920 unreliable in the last day. They are incredibly consistent on record, is the 1507 01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:15,520 thing. It's everywhere else where they've been not at all consistent. Who's in 1508 01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,359 what band, who's doing what? Where? Who? Why? Yeah? 1509 01:31:18,199 --> 01:31:21,720 Yeah, it's just like like I like all the records. Like when I 1510 01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,760 when I say not consistent, I mean they're not constantly putting out classics, 1511 01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:30,199 which is I guess no one. So that's fine. But like you say, 1512 01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:32,399 the one who to have an icon in your band, for him to 1513 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,920 leave and be replaced by someone who hasn't played an instrument on on of your 1514 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:44,039 albums in nearly twenty years, it's tough knowing what to expect when that change 1515 01:31:44,079 --> 01:31:47,399 happens. So Northern Chaos Gods, which ended up really liking was a pleasant 1516 01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:53,720 surprise. But the years since Sabbath left, it's hard to know what you 1517 01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,640 meant to even be a fan of right now. Yeah, like if you 1518 01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,680 are not up to date on the Immortal story. This band, they remained 1519 01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,640 like again, one of the continuous grates of the nineties bout metal scene. 1520 01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,640 I think, like right up to like two thousand nine with their record All 1521 01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:08,199 Shaffall that's generally one of their best records, like that's a that's a killer 1522 01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:12,399 album, and A Mortal became one of the true big bands of that scene 1523 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,880 who continued to be like a brilliant baston for that kind of music, like 1524 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:16,319 you know, they've headlined Blood start that kind of thing. To the wider 1525 01:32:16,359 --> 01:32:19,479 metal community. They were fun and playful, and they wrote amazing songs and 1526 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,560 put on epic shows. I got into A Mortal seeing like the music video 1527 01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:25,920 for all shuff fall in you know, kind of two tennish whatever, and 1528 01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,520 that felt like as good a time to get into A Mortal as basically any 1529 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,520 time in their history. In twenty fifteen, though, there had a pretty 1530 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:34,119 acrimonious split where their frontman A Baff So I'm sure you know or would at 1531 01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:38,000 least recognize a picture of one of the biggest characters in metal. He went 1532 01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:42,199 one way, and his creative partner Demonas and their drummer Hawgue went another way. 1533 01:32:42,359 --> 01:32:45,640 Abbath has gone to have his solo career and a Mortal scene kind of 1534 01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,640 dead in the water after that. But suddenly in twenty eighteen, which I 1535 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,279 don't think anyone expected, released a Mortal to release more music and certainly didn't 1536 01:32:51,279 --> 01:32:54,760 expect to be as good as it ends up being. But they released an 1537 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,520 album Northern Chaos Gods, and it seemed like for a moment there, like 1538 01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,640 again twenty eighteen was like, oh, we can actually enjoy having like both 1539 01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,039 a Mortal and a bath right, like two for the price of one. 1540 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,239 Ell. Yeah, I suppose you just said you really like Northern Chaos CAUs 1541 01:33:05,279 --> 01:33:09,840 have even a fan of a Bath stuff as well A lot the first one. 1542 01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:12,720 I haven't gone back to any of the last two. Is it two 1543 01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,880 or three? I don't know, there's up three. I like them all. 1544 01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:18,600 The latest one is my least favorite one, but again it feels like 1545 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:23,000 a different He's leaning more and sort of like the rock and roll side of 1546 01:33:23,039 --> 01:33:28,279 it, whereas there is more again true black metal. Yeah, I mean 1547 01:33:28,359 --> 01:33:30,039 the first one for me for a little bit, like, oh, I 1548 01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:33,039 could see this being the Immortal record that we were expecting, and then increasingly 1549 01:33:33,079 --> 01:33:35,920 going down the rock and roll thing. I mean, it's fine, but 1550 01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,000 I don't want to say throw it. It feels too harsh. But it 1551 01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:45,279 doesn't have the gravitas that I want for very Bath and his mates. A 1552 01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:47,439 mortal relevance to this though, is Northern Chaos. Cars kind of came and 1553 01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,840 went because there was no tour for it, no festival appearances, no further 1554 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,880 signs of life from the band at all. And then after that, Hag 1555 01:33:56,079 --> 01:33:59,119 got into a legal battle with Demonas about who owned the name, and so 1556 01:33:59,279 --> 01:34:02,439 the two remain Immortal members fell out amongst themselves again, and then A Mortal 1557 01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,479 went completely quiet, and then suddenly was so little fanfare this year. It 1558 01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,000 was actually quite bizarre, like the cover art and the album title for this 1559 01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:12,920 just turned up online about like a month or two before we even got a 1560 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,079 single from it. It almost felt like emails were just sort of like you 1561 01:34:15,159 --> 01:34:16,720 know, you know, a hot in the woods somewhere just being like, 1562 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,479 well, there's an album coming, like like he doesn't have the full power 1563 01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:23,000 of Nuclear Blast behind him or whatever. We have got a new record and 1564 01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:26,359 Demonis is now the only member of the band. Apparently Ice Dale from Enslaved 1565 01:34:26,399 --> 01:34:30,000 plays bass on this, and it's the drummer from Girls band, both as 1566 01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:32,800 session musicians, presumably not live musicians. Because the Mortal on stage for a 1567 01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,600 decade now, like they didn't play a single date for Northern Chaos Gods, 1568 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,119 and considering they've lost even more members now, I imagine that won't change here 1569 01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:42,640 the base. I don't know why the emails didn't just track himself. And 1570 01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,640 you're right, the new Immortal music is good. They're just crap at being 1571 01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,640 a band, and you don't know exactly what it is you are, like 1572 01:34:50,119 --> 01:34:53,520 again, a fan of I'm a fan of these records. I'm a fan 1573 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,800 of these like musicians. But the entity itself is so fucking hard to pin 1574 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,359 down. It's so weird. Sam, you know them are all we've covered 1575 01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:02,399 their records and other things, and you are friends of the Mortal fans. 1576 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,159 But I am assuming you can be a good meter I guess of someone who 1577 01:35:05,159 --> 01:35:09,279 maybe hasn't gotten inside all their different eras. This probably just sounds like a 1578 01:35:09,359 --> 01:35:12,319 Mortal right, Like nothing particularly out of the ordinary or different to the past. 1579 01:35:13,079 --> 01:35:15,199 Yeah, I just thought this was like, you know, they have 1580 01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:21,399 got such a recognizable there. I'm always black metal is so distinctly there again, 1581 01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,720 they're one of those bands that you know, you saw someone we talked 1582 01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,760 about Lamp of Murmat and how much that lay rips the more you go, 1583 01:35:28,119 --> 01:35:30,920 Yeah, you know it really does, because I'm all just have that like 1584 01:35:30,319 --> 01:35:38,600 epic but glacial cold black metal. The riffing is so melodic but evil. 1585 01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:42,359 It's just stuff and I'm gonna go that that's immortal. There's you know some 1586 01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,039 songs that are like war good on this where it goes full on like eighties 1587 01:35:45,079 --> 01:35:48,640 arena rock. Like that's that's a fun sort of change. Yeah. Like 1588 01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,560 he said when the back he said he's gone down that hard rock grew. 1589 01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,399 I'm like, yeah, that that's that's when the Mortill do so all these 1590 01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:58,960 things just because like, yeah, they're just there's nothing revolutionary here, but 1591 01:35:59,239 --> 01:36:01,079 a more doing what I'm more do. They're good at. Yeah, Elliott, 1592 01:36:01,119 --> 01:36:03,960 Northern Chaos Gods and this. There is something more old school about them, 1593 01:36:04,079 --> 01:36:08,039 right because you know the times that in a mortal history, when demon 1594 01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:10,920 has has written the music that you're alluding to it is that earlier period, 1595 01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:15,039 and this certainly feels like it's gone further towards that. And I mean, 1596 01:36:15,079 --> 01:36:18,079 if you like your old school fast immortal, that title track is such a 1597 01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:23,600 fucking ripper, Like the drums are so fast in that the riff is merciless, 1598 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,800 where yeah, like Battles in the North, but kind of modern immortal 1599 01:36:28,039 --> 01:36:30,840 where it's that sound is just going to freeze your fucking face off, like 1600 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:34,520 that liquid nitting Jason ex Kill. Yeah. I mean, primarily this is 1601 01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:39,840 just another bunch of sort of short, punchy, pretty heavy metal inspired songs, 1602 01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:44,039 similarly to the last record, where in all sort of around the early 1603 01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:48,319 two thousands. Towards the end they've got kind of increasingly more would you say, 1604 01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:51,960 bombastic, sort of multi ten scored, a longer songs ethic like I 1605 01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:56,520 wouldn't you wouldn't call the first three or four or Mortal records epic in any 1606 01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:00,319 particular, no capacity, but they really leaned into that. Yeah, and 1607 01:37:00,359 --> 01:37:03,760 this has more of that sort of early sound, but also a real love 1608 01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:10,000 of classic heavy metal. I thing like that first song it sounds like Venom 1609 01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:13,960 in the Snow, which is black metal is really all about like it's very 1610 01:37:14,039 --> 01:37:17,079 basic, super to the point, but it hits the spot and it's for 1611 01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:20,000 me. It was insentially about the Amar case is. I really thought a 1612 01:37:20,079 --> 01:37:25,199 Bath was sort of the magic ingredient in a morsel, and it's been kind 1613 01:37:25,239 --> 01:37:29,079 of comforting to see over the last two records. Like the fact that Sam 1614 01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:32,000 you said that they have a definable sound outside of that, and the fact 1615 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,680 that comes across in songs which are kind of deliberately basic. I think he's 1616 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,920 kind of impressive in its own way. Yeah, I think well demon as 1617 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:44,000 he has this real hoarthness in his voice as well, where it's not the 1618 01:37:44,199 --> 01:37:48,399 Bath kind of croak that is so absolutely distinct, but I think he manages 1619 01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,640 to it's quite clever. He keeps arranging his vocals in a way that still 1620 01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:56,119 feel like a mortal vocal lines because they have that kind of staccato nature to 1621 01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:59,279 them, the way a mortal hook so cool and like punchy that like what 1622 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,359 against oh, like I will throw my fist up for every word of that 1623 01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,239 every time. I mean that was it? Like again, like it's the 1624 01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:10,119 one black mail croak that I tend to get a bit tires of every now 1625 01:38:10,119 --> 01:38:12,680 and then. But again, there are hooks on this, and you're right, 1626 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,159 even if it's not totally again, I'm not gonna be able to you 1627 01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:18,000 know, pit There in a Bath and Demons vocuss, but that delivery still 1628 01:38:18,039 --> 01:38:20,720 feel them back to back. You would, you would? They are quite 1629 01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,960 interesting? Yeah, no, probably, But like everyone I listened to this, 1630 01:38:24,039 --> 01:38:26,079 I was thinking like, well, this sounds totally different to when I 1631 01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:30,079 listened to Sons of Northern Darkness and like records like that. Yeah, in 1632 01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:33,640 the past, those extended evil croaks will just go like ah, that's kind 1633 01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,359 of like the whole soul years up something more. But he does have this 1634 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:40,079 quality in where it's like you're much more piercing as well, like it's it's 1635 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:42,479 kind of this high end cry in the mix at times, and it really 1636 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,840 flies out of the mixing like a really shrill, chilling kind of way, 1637 01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,199 like it's like you know, frozen pterodactyl call or something. And also like 1638 01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:53,079 the further it's just him or it's now it's essentially just a studio project. 1639 01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,720 At first, I thought that's such a shame for one of the most personality 1640 01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,920 packing black mail bands there's ever been. But the transition has been this Records 1641 01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:06,199 anything to go by. I think it's pretty healthy. Like I wouldn't like 1642 01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:10,319 Immortal to tour. I don't want to live in a world where we never 1643 01:39:10,359 --> 01:39:14,319 see Immortal live again, and they don't necessarily do a great deal on the 1644 01:39:14,359 --> 01:39:17,560 record where you think, well, why couldn't this translate live? But the 1645 01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:21,640 excitement of a band is still there, which for me was always a huge 1646 01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:26,479 appeal in Immortal and one of the things I was worried about them becoming a 1647 01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:30,520 one man band. But that's not st symbols on his knees, not that, 1648 01:39:30,079 --> 01:39:36,279 but but the fact that, like the Immortal energy translates despite everything that's 1649 01:39:36,319 --> 01:39:41,479 happened. I think he is great on this record. I it's not gonna 1650 01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,159 again like the last rope. I'm gonna win any pollit surprises. But this 1651 01:39:44,359 --> 01:39:47,479 is broadly speaking, an Immortal record that sounds like an Immortal record that does 1652 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,720 the thing I want an I Mortal record to do. I mean, that'd 1653 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,600 be a hell of a returning Immortal lives share, wouldn't it. If he's 1654 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,680 like, got you know the symbol that is need like one of those kind 1655 01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:59,920 of clapping corp painted monkeys, But you've got your Immortal bingo card right, 1656 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,640 the songs called things like Returned to Cold and Blashic my Throne before even getting 1657 01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,640 to a self titled song like finally on their their tent albums, I'd say, 1658 01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:10,560 have they ever had an eponymous and they finally get around to it, 1659 01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,600 It's a it's a really full on thunderous a Mortal record. Like again, 1660 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,720 if you compare this to the likes of like All Show Fall or Sons and 1661 01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,159 Northern Darkness, there isn't that focus on balancing the lengthy epic tracks with the 1662 01:40:18,199 --> 01:40:21,439 blasters so much. It's mainly stuff like again, thunders of Darkness just right 1663 01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:27,359 off title track goes riffs all over the threat board, but that galloping into 1664 01:40:27,399 --> 01:40:30,439 battle feel is really there, which is always a Mortal's kind of terrain in 1665 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:32,560 terms of black metal albums, and this record it makes blash it sound as 1666 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,800 you know, dramatic and war Torner realms as ever, and that kind of 1667 01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,960 heavy metal appeal and spirit they have that makes you feel gargantuan as opposed to 1668 01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:43,880 some other black metal that doesn't do that. War God hits at track three 1669 01:40:44,119 --> 01:40:46,680 and again I'm shocked that a Mortal haven't written that riff already, Like it's 1670 01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,800 just like, hey, you remember Tyrants two point oh that feel that counts 1671 01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:53,800 about a sparrow for Lucifer's rocking chair, right, and it's so like we've 1672 01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:58,119 done this before, but it's still satisfying. Ian Wargod might be my favorite 1673 01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:01,079 song on this record. I always like welling on it, like when again 1674 01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:04,680 it's like like that that drumbeat is like almost just like when we're talking about 1675 01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:10,800 Deaf Leppard in a way, but just necro and Neva was fuck And you 1676 01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:14,760 know, there's about the Sons of Northern Darkness road and and it gets actually 1677 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,279 quite epic in the back half there and when they actually get the pace going 1678 01:41:17,319 --> 01:41:21,840 of it. But it's just a really fun song that is so big, 1679 01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:27,000 cheesy heavy metal but evil. Yeah. He croaks about blash yerk in the 1680 01:41:27,039 --> 01:41:29,880 middle of that track and then it immediately cuts to the trademark kind of dudally 1681 01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,319 do kind of a Mortal epic clean guitar sound. It's just like such a 1682 01:41:31,359 --> 01:41:34,680 fucking throwback when when you listen to them Mortal, you want to hear epic, 1683 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:41,000 massive black metal riffs with huge walls of kind of cascading warlike drums and 1684 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:45,039 someone croaking about the Mountains of Evil, which what you get on this there 1685 01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:47,960 are again in terms of m for for a a mortfan kind of looking at 1686 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,199 this would be like, what is there really going on in this? There's 1687 01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:55,399 a part in like no Sun picks up like the really tremolow melodic riffing in 1688 01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:58,439 a way like a Mortal haven't really traded on that particular thing in a while. 1689 01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,279 That's like pure Holocaust era and that mainly did that kind of high end 1690 01:42:01,319 --> 01:42:04,920 tremelot thing. And I suppose again it's back when Demon I was writing more 1691 01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,920 of the guitar parts as opposed to like mid period when when a bath takes 1692 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,680 over. So for me, this records are quite novel in hearing those, 1693 01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,159 I guess like Phase one era Immortal sounds kind of being picked up again in 1694 01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:19,159 you know, twenty twenty three's context. And I think in terms of these 1695 01:42:19,239 --> 01:42:24,399 two how these two last two records have operated. If your favorite AML era 1696 01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,319 is like at the Heart of Winter or whatever, the way that record is 1697 01:42:27,359 --> 01:42:30,960 made up of like six massive songs ago in all these different places, this 1698 01:42:30,079 --> 01:42:33,000 is almost like we've skipped over that kind of development and just it's almost like 1699 01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:36,359 what if we had just continued with what was there in the very very beginning 1700 01:42:36,359 --> 01:42:39,439 and brought it to a modern day kind of point. You know, it's 1701 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,840 fast, blasty, relentless, and then when it does go a bit more 1702 01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,920 epic there again it doesn't feel like a bath of wating. It necessarily returned 1703 01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,560 to Cold sounds a lot like something that would have been on Demon As a 1704 01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:50,920 solo album from twenty eleven, which I don't think anyone else listening to, 1705 01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,279 but it's back when a Mortal was still intact. He did a solo album 1706 01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:57,399 and it has there's a song on there it's amazing called All Black and Sky, 1707 01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:00,039 and it has this kind of like mid tempo, like fist pumping and 1708 01:43:00,199 --> 01:43:02,960 a war type feel through. Again, the black metal context that returned to 1709 01:43:03,039 --> 01:43:06,640 Cold Corner seems to pick back up, and then there are those detours that 1710 01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:11,039 make it feel a little like again, not the immortal of the two thousands, 1711 01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:14,479 the kind of modern day of Bath era, if you will, Nordland 1712 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,119 dear it's something they've never done before, Like a seven minute heavy metal instrumental 1713 01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:21,239 that's full of like soaring guitar melodies. That's not the immortal way of doing 1714 01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:24,560 things. Really like We've had nothing on that on any of the Bath records. 1715 01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,439 That's obviously very much demon as a spirit that's kind of taking into writing 1716 01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,079 something like that. Yeah, I was supposed at how much I liked a 1717 01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:34,680 seven minute instr metal track on a black metal record, But those guitar parts 1718 01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:39,560 really heavy metal basically, isn't it. Yeah, though, those guitar lines 1719 01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,720 really saw and it was kind of I was like, Oh cool, it's 1720 01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,920 moving from nothing felt dragged on about it. I was like, oh cool, 1721 01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:46,880 that was a nice little change of pace in this record. Yeah, 1722 01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,840 even I was on shore, I thought of a seven minute instrumental in the 1723 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:54,880 hands of twenty twenty three Immortal, but I think especially after a string of 1724 01:43:55,520 --> 01:44:00,359 really good short songs, it's it is a nice sort of change of pace. 1725 01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,800 It has this great demonstration of Immortal's ability to soar, which they don't 1726 01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:08,119 always do, and some of the tones of it. It reminded me of 1727 01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:12,840 the Embix comeback record from about ten years ago, Sonic Mass, which you 1728 01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,680 know, there's a chance Immortal influenced by me bis back in the day. 1729 01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:20,479 I don't know, but yes, will surprisingly well And again I feel like 1730 01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:25,399 I've done it down by saying it's sort of just straightforward immortal because please say 1731 01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:28,760 on No Sun, which is made my favorite song title of the year, 1732 01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:34,439 because it's like No Sun returned to Cold, like those two were back to 1733 01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:38,960 back, which is why they've gone. We've named everything that's cold. So 1734 01:44:39,079 --> 01:44:41,600 if you just pick things that are hot and put no in front of it 1735 01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:47,199 cold like no beach, no deserts, and this is not a cold record, 1736 01:44:47,239 --> 01:44:54,119 this is an anti warm record, but like that's one of the most 1737 01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:57,800 atmospheric tunes on the record and returns to Cold. It's kind of what I 1738 01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:02,279 an almost operatic quality, which again from the first few songs, I wasn't 1739 01:45:02,319 --> 01:45:05,279 expecting to kind of come up on the truck list, but I think both 1740 01:45:05,319 --> 01:45:09,720 those things are super successful, and it's kind of a shame listening to those 1741 01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,399 things and thinking, oh wow, I'd like to them to do more of 1742 01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,399 that, and knowing where that would be twenty twenty nine and there'll be zero 1743 01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,159 people in the band. Yeah, blush it. My Throne is like the 1744 01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:21,119 kind of standard a mortor closer which you would expect in terms of like Mighty 1745 01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:25,319 Raven Dark from the Last One, Unearthly Kingdom, Beyond the Northways, before 1746 01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:27,319 that, but it's only five minutes as opposed to kind of eight, like 1747 01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:29,239 it's a it's a good one the guitar. I was when it kicks in 1748 01:45:29,279 --> 01:45:30,479 the goal, but it's almost like a bite sized version of something A Mortal 1749 01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,960 have like already knocked out of the park, like at least two decades before. 1750 01:45:33,079 --> 01:45:36,600 I really like this record because it doesn't really go outside of what I 1751 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:40,840 like already getting from a Mortal. I think it's a fine set of songs, 1752 01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,079 and then you do get a couple of deviations at the interntal track which 1753 01:45:43,079 --> 01:45:45,479 are cool, and they stop it feeling like it just has like no ideas 1754 01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,000 that's in the tank at all, and then I enjoy getting back to kind 1755 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,520 of the straight up of Mortor tunes. I think it's just so weird knowing 1756 01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:54,920 how you're supposed to treat these Immortal records, because like I was excited at 1757 01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,359 Northern Chaos Gods and the idea that I could actually get to see a mortal 1758 01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,239 maybe like I've seen a bath, but maybe I can get to see this 1759 01:45:59,239 --> 01:46:00,880 bad You have this great anon as well, and then it as to turn 1760 01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:03,119 as the studio project, and I appreciate what you're saying like the record is 1761 01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:08,600 still good, but like a Mortal or a band of such high heavy metal 1762 01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:12,079 drama and spectacle, they're not meant to be dark thrown right, like that's 1763 01:46:12,359 --> 01:46:15,920 that's their territory. You're meant to be like fucking you know, enormous, 1764 01:46:15,039 --> 01:46:18,600 larger than life. And it's weird at being so kind of confined into itself 1765 01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:23,479 in this weird little corner that only like any existing Immortal fans are kind of 1766 01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,920 paying attention to. And again it's coming a month after Lamp of Murma's album, 1767 01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,239 but pivoted in the fucking full of Mortal, and I think that album 1768 01:46:29,279 --> 01:46:30,720 it has more going on in it. And I can see that one live, 1769 01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,000 which I just did, and I can experience that kind of like rush 1770 01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:36,439 of like vitality and conviction you get from that. So that is a shame. 1771 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:41,439 But as another Immortal album for the collection, they're still not letting us 1772 01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:45,680 down in that particular area, even if the band like barely exists. Yeah, 1773 01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:47,199 like I just found it. I don't think it's gonna say like a 1774 01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:50,119 back anment, but for me, I just a really easy listen that I'm 1775 01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:53,479 just kind of like like that's it. I was like, yeah, I 1776 01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:55,880 will more of this, and I do thing. It's a shame that again 1777 01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:59,439 I've not got the extreme attachment to a Mortal, but these songs sound like 1778 01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,399 they are to be played live, like war God, sounds like it is 1779 01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:06,439 made for a solid slot on the Bloodstock main stage. It should be ringing 1780 01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:10,960 out in that festival field. And so it feels with that they're writing songs 1781 01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:14,479 that still feel like they are made for the live environment, where there's no 1782 01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:16,279 reintention behind it. And I guess maybe that's just, you know, that's 1783 01:47:16,319 --> 01:47:19,600 just what Immortal are going to sound like. They're going to sound grand and 1784 01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:24,079 epic, even if it is just going to end up being a studio project. 1785 01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:28,319 But so it is a weird sort of place for this band to exist 1786 01:47:28,399 --> 01:47:31,720 in. Yes, a strange one, because everything outside of the music on 1787 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,600 the last two records has done a lot to affect the sort of Immortal legacy 1788 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:39,079 because you think, well, they've not been a live band for ten years. 1789 01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:41,279 That will have me, That will have me that a lot of people 1790 01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,199 won't have been exposed to Immortal. You don't even know if they're a band, 1791 01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,159 you know, four months four years of every five. But I think 1792 01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:50,439 the most impressive thing is that you listen to the records and you think, 1793 01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:54,520 well, this isn't going to affect the legacy one jot, Like it's not 1794 01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,239 going to make them a more impressive band, or you're got oh, I 1795 01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:00,960 remember they were the band that did War against All. But if you already 1796 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:05,640 like Immortal, getting another great Immortal record despite all of the fucking nonsense that 1797 01:48:06,199 --> 01:48:12,000 we've endured, that's a pretty that's a triumph. I mean, like again, 1798 01:48:12,039 --> 01:48:15,840 this this record confirmed that Immortal exist, right, because I didn't know 1799 01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,279 that prior to a couple of months ago when this album was announced, like 1800 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,079 they raised North and Chaos gods, and then as far as I was aware, 1801 01:48:21,079 --> 01:48:24,640 I didn't fucking exist again, Like they just completely zipped out. You 1802 01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:29,039 know they are, they are shrouding as Amortal, and it's nice to know 1803 01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:30,800 that this band is still around making good music, even if, like again, 1804 01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:34,319 you don't know fucking know what else is going on. I think these 1805 01:48:34,399 --> 01:48:38,239 last again, these last records, they're never going to top Battles in the 1806 01:48:38,359 --> 01:48:41,600 North for that particular style of intensity, because that's record is just unbelievably fucking 1807 01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:45,840 cold. This is again a modern version of that. I think they're both 1808 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,039 enjoyable records, particularly like five years on from Northern Chaos Cards, it's that 1809 01:48:48,119 --> 01:48:53,239 title track that has stayed in my rotation because it's just fun to go Northern 1810 01:48:53,399 --> 01:48:56,239 kask Guards and like it will be the same here again with the title track 1811 01:48:56,239 --> 01:49:00,399 War Against All, like just that absolutely high speed, crazy immortal fix Against 1812 01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,600 All A mortal Drain is our next album, We're probably go to something that's 1813 01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,159 a little bit more hype. I suppose Living Proof is the name of it. 1814 01:49:06,199 --> 01:49:09,800 It's another sophomore record from a band who we have covered in their earlier 1815 01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,800 years, and they are now benefiting very much from this kind of continued wave 1816 01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,520 of hardcore popularity. Again, another band getting even more press and positions on 1817 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,840 this one than they were on the last one. We want to see them 1818 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:23,600 keep delivering. Their debut album, California Cursed was a pretty enjoyable one in 1819 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,000 terms of that place where a hardcore meets you know, crossover thrash. Hey 1820 01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,159 what if some surfer guy who's played Slayer riffs like perfect for Etat records, 1821 01:49:31,239 --> 01:49:34,239 right, Like just kind of sunny vibes but going hard at the same time. 1822 01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:38,039 Like I said, we're moving away from the cold now we were full 1823 01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:41,560 on like Callie, So yeah we are Cory double and now we are thoroughly 1824 01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:45,000 be thrusted. Yeah, Like I mean, there isn't really cool about Drain 1825 01:49:45,079 --> 01:49:47,880 just being a bunch of surfer dudes you want to you know, get people 1826 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:50,840 mush in as hard as they can, and it is that is that blend 1827 01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:56,239 of just like hardcore bounce with the crossover fresh kind of attack gave them. 1828 01:49:56,279 --> 01:50:00,119 It's a really energizing sound that as if you assume them live is absolute chaos. 1829 01:50:00,199 --> 01:50:02,800 Yeah. I think similarly to the Dirty New record, there's just a 1830 01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:06,159 cool energy about Drain, where even more than I actually like the songs, 1831 01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,640 there is just a feel that like it would be a fun thing to be 1832 01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:13,640 a part of, right, Like the energy they camels with sounds like a 1833 01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:16,279 party that you want to be in on. Yeah, exactly, Like again, 1834 01:50:16,359 --> 01:50:19,399 their lives are that party. You know. There are bodyboards and poor 1835 01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:24,640 floats flying around as everyone is spinkicking each other and it's just the vibe is 1836 01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:29,079 all go and the songs the songs like, but the songs and records still 1837 01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:31,880 I think really translate that where when this record plication of the y You're fucking 1838 01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:35,439 luck and that rip hs and I'm like, and I am just bouncing and 1839 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:42,159 stomping about, like it's so infectious in that right away, I think there's 1840 01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:46,039 something really pure and well realized about drains, sound and songs. Like everything 1841 01:50:46,079 --> 01:50:51,399 about this record is really it's just pure nineties. It's like Slayer, Panzera, 1842 01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:57,039 Leeway, Suicide of Things, And the cover looks like a green and 1843 01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:00,800 the cover looks like a green Jello album Like, but it ever feels retro 1844 01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:03,880 or old hat. There's something kind of timeless and exciting about them. Like 1845 01:51:04,119 --> 01:51:08,560 every song most you feel like you're doing three sixties in an empty swimming pool. 1846 01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:13,439 It's just it puts across the thing that it aims to put across, 1847 01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,319 and like you say, you feel like you feel like you're having fun and 1848 01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,359 a part of it just by listening to it. Yeah, hearing him go 1849 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:24,399 run your fucking luck and that riff that comes in, it's kind of crazy, 1850 01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,600 like it's not all outspeed or anything, but it's just a really like 1851 01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:30,439 fluid, flexible, dexterous kind of grooves, which is a really fun thing 1852 01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:31,640 to be a part of. Similarly, like the way the vocalist has to 1853 01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:35,079 really like skip and flow to his vocal lines. It made me think about 1854 01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:39,359 like straight from the path and how there's that real game like slickness to it 1855 01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,000 over I guess I like a super gut or like how monstrous could I sound? 1856 01:51:43,279 --> 01:51:45,640 How match o I can sound? Or whatever? Like it's that kind 1857 01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:46,840 of running out or is the one that I kind of go to and that 1858 01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:50,319 kind of kinship of sounds had fair enough. But he does throw in the 1859 01:51:50,439 --> 01:51:53,840 kind of like odd like Riley Gals scream as well, like what how like 1860 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,520 at the end of impostor yeah, and adds just this aleim of like hell 1861 01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:00,119 yeah, let's go there in a kind of in a posy way. Is 1862 01:52:00,199 --> 01:52:01,479 very much what this ban feel like they're about. I mean, that's it 1863 01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:05,039 is that like there's the violence and the anger and all that world, but 1864 01:52:05,079 --> 01:52:08,479 it is it's all in the name of like positively, when you get like 1865 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,840 the ftskas the whole thing that is, find the strength and kill yourself and 1866 01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,079 then the whole reinvent the new you. It's killed the parts you don't like 1867 01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:19,680 become that very positive use of the kays accredim I've ever seen, Yeah, 1868 01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:23,479 but that but that's kind of just the bible of the record, it's all 1869 01:52:24,079 --> 01:52:27,359 fury and anger. Even like in them find You're Luck where you get the 1870 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:31,720 we built this town by ourselves, for ourselves. Everything is still about positivity 1871 01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:35,680 and moving forward is just doing it in a piste off way. Yeah. 1872 01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,840 I think it's a really good production sound of this one, particularly like again 1873 01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,279 I went back to California Cursed and enjoyed that record, but there is a 1874 01:52:41,359 --> 01:52:44,479 more kind of like um sort of garage sort of sounded, I guess, 1875 01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:48,600 And this is done by Taylor from from Nails and Twitch and Towns everything like 1876 01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:54,800 this one sounds really fat and meaty, very tangible as well. It has 1877 01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,359 that tar tone is it has that balance of like aggressive tone and still having 1878 01:52:58,399 --> 01:53:00,960 that cool hangout vibe. And I do just love their metal reffs as well, 1879 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,600 like Evil finds a Light when it goes all kind of like nasty midpace 1880 01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,560 like nuclear assault or whatever, that pushes my buttons naturally the most. And 1881 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:12,079 I think also there's solo as like we were saying, which bringing Shred into 1882 01:53:12,199 --> 01:53:16,039 hardcore is like a relatively new development at least in terms of that sound getting 1883 01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:19,680 like becoming more like popular. I think that's a cool thing to do be 1884 01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,520 doing as well. Well. I think it's really good because, like the 1885 01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,760 Callie hardcore scene is the kind of the buzz sort of thing at the moment, 1886 01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:30,079 but I'm enjoying that a lot of the bands are not all just doing 1887 01:53:30,039 --> 01:53:33,840 one thing where you Drain have like kind of got that that shred and that 1888 01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:38,439 fresh sort of thing, but like they're doing their own spinning, and then 1889 01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:42,119 you get like Scow doing their thing, and Gel like all these bands Military 1890 01:53:42,199 --> 01:53:45,159 Gun. There's a really cool scene in hardcore, but none of the bands 1891 01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:47,279 are just you know, have that one sort of locked in sound, and 1892 01:53:47,399 --> 01:53:50,279 it just means that the bands can all stand out more and find their own 1893 01:53:50,279 --> 01:53:54,239 way to sort of stand out. And Drain have hit that on just being 1894 01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,359 the party crossover fresh band of the bunch, but they've also got this weird 1895 01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:02,560 talent for packing tons of different grooves into every single song. But it never 1896 01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:09,760 feels like a sort of mishmash of cobble together ideas like ftsks. It always 1897 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:14,560 with like a sort of jungle drum pattern, yeah going on, yeah, 1898 01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:18,239 but within two and a half minutes you've settled into about six different grooves and 1899 01:54:18,399 --> 01:54:21,479 momentum has never been lost. And then at the same time, like when 1900 01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,640 Evil finds Light, there's a palm muted groove that they stick on for a 1901 01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,479 bit, And honestly, they could play that for ten minutes before I got 1902 01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:32,039 bored of it. Like it's a real knack for exciting songwriting. And I 1903 01:54:32,119 --> 01:54:35,239 know that's sort of the order of the day with hardcore. It's not worldly 1904 01:54:35,279 --> 01:54:40,039 inventive, but when it's done to this standard, it just feels great. 1905 01:54:40,399 --> 01:54:44,600 Yeah, it's that kind of like really different sense of groove. It feels 1906 01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:46,079 like it's been stepped up on this one. Like I again, records like 1907 01:54:46,119 --> 01:54:48,800 this that are so brief without being you know, wormer or something, I 1908 01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:51,079 don't always return to it the most, So I haven't listened to Drain in 1909 01:54:51,159 --> 01:54:54,920 a while, but I remember the slayrisms from the last record more than I 1910 01:54:55,039 --> 01:54:58,520 do any of those kind of weirder sort of packages, like weirder grooves. 1911 01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,520 And I think again, if you could call this like a cross out of 1912 01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:03,560 a thrash being but you compare the slightly enforced record from from a month ago, 1913 01:55:04,279 --> 01:55:08,479 how purely hardcore like the beatdowns are in this, Like at the end 1914 01:55:08,479 --> 01:55:12,760 of run your luck and stuff really swings over to that direction. And there 1915 01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,520 are points in this record where those things meet, which makes for some really 1916 01:55:15,560 --> 01:55:17,199 exciting stuff. Like Weight of the World has like a killer main riff that 1917 01:55:17,239 --> 01:55:19,039 kind of presses both of those, you know, sort of cross over a 1918 01:55:19,079 --> 01:55:23,840 thrash and pure hardcore buttons at once somehow, I don't know. There's really 1919 01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,840 slick, rhythmically interesting like rolling beatdowns as well. There's the big kind of 1920 01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,920 bouncy riffs of you know, like maybe something like really early turnstyle. Like 1921 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:32,399 if you are like a NonStop feeling fan more than a gliwe fan, this 1922 01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:36,039 will definitely do some things for you. I think if you like like that 1923 01:55:36,039 --> 01:55:40,239 bass of like nineties sick of it all at times as well, Like there's 1924 01:55:40,279 --> 01:55:44,359 that kind of New York hardcore bounce to it that like, but just kind 1925 01:55:44,359 --> 01:55:45,880 of given that more frashy and I mean, speaking of bounce, watch You 1926 01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:48,880 Burn is basically the twenty twenty three hardcore version of Loco by Coal Chamber. 1927 01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:56,039 Isn't it well hard though? Like but the other thing that I think is 1928 01:55:56,239 --> 01:55:58,479 quite like that. As I said, it packs quite a lot into these 1929 01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:01,479 songs where it kind of up the approach to the riffs, the grooves, 1930 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,279 the beatdowns, it's never kind of you know, just that the Unfortunately I 1931 01:56:05,439 --> 01:56:09,960 the record that is all just you know, all go just constantly driving forward 1932 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,119 pace. This plays about a little bit more and it's a bit more loose 1933 01:56:13,159 --> 01:56:15,600 with it, which I think is a really fun element. Yeah, there's 1934 01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:18,319 just almost like an organic approach to brew grooves that feels like they're sort of 1935 01:56:18,359 --> 01:56:21,159 streaming out of them on the spot that really sells this, Like that when 1936 01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:24,840 you get the bass slugging along at the start of like Devil's Itch before the 1937 01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:28,039 whole band starts like rocking along with them. There's a really funny part in 1938 01:56:28,079 --> 01:56:30,760 that song where it's it's kind of like thug section, and then between a 1939 01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:32,600 couple of the guitar chug notes, you hear someone just going like oh in 1940 01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,760 the background. It always feels like they've just like very casually put that in 1941 01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:39,960 there because it makes them laugh and they're having fun. And like the cowbell 1942 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,520 in Living Proof as well, like which actually does make the grooves so much 1943 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,000 sicker, Like you can imagine one of them like leaping around and hitting that 1944 01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:48,640 on every other beat, just having a good time doing it. And the 1945 01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:53,039 photo like Carol Ball is over a riff that sounds like sort of South of 1946 01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:57,520 Heaven ere A Slayer, which is the most disease gross thrash mell at that 1947 01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:01,680 time, and in the rhythm section being like or Jane's addiction, like just 1948 01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,800 I mean again, I'm just listen. Think of the bands were listing like 1949 01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:11,680 Cold Chamber like just the best of the best, and then like and then 1950 01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:15,279 Locos a banger, Oh deal, I don't know, I don't know. 1951 01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,680 I wouldn't say, is it, what's the really good one? That big 1952 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:27,399 truck fiend fiend? Which one's that snip snip snip um For me? There 1953 01:57:27,479 --> 01:57:30,159 really there were two real changes of pace that caught me off guard because most 1954 01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:34,800 of this, yeah, it sounds like sort of nineties metal modern hardcore smashed 1955 01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:41,279 together good good things, open, sounding like Alison Chains in a good mood. 1956 01:57:44,079 --> 01:57:45,880 Fuck is it? Yeah? It didn't make the connection, but it's 1957 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:50,359 what it's surprisingly deep vocals, right, which you wouldn't associate that at all, 1958 01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:53,520 and that really goes that like, hey, let's do it kind of 1959 01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:58,000 thing. But it's it sounds like what an actually good twenty twenty three pop 1960 01:57:58,399 --> 01:58:01,439 pop punk song should sound like, which despite the song itself being like thirty 1961 01:58:01,479 --> 01:58:04,279 five years old. I guess it shows the silossess of the melodies that the 1962 01:58:04,319 --> 01:58:08,640 sentence wrote, but like it works. Yeah, and they add that kind 1963 01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:13,079 of like slightly surf energy surf energy to it again and it's just really catchy 1964 01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:15,159 and really fun and again, yeah, way better than what a lot of 1965 01:58:15,159 --> 01:58:18,239 it is going on in pop punk and just slung in before the closing track. 1966 01:58:18,319 --> 01:58:23,159 It's just a fun change of pace before you get the cowbell. Yeah, 1967 01:58:23,359 --> 01:58:27,640 it's so funny that drain covering a thirty five year old decended song is 1968 01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:30,800 like, oh, yeah, that's that's what pop punk should be doing right 1969 01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:32,560 now. It's so good. But again, in that kind of similar sense, 1970 01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,159 there's like the intermission track which features shake Well and it goes full hip 1971 01:58:36,199 --> 01:58:40,359 hop and it definitely like it feels like it's part of that current state at 1972 01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:43,000 hardcore music as kind of crossover music, right, like not if just the 1973 01:58:43,039 --> 01:58:45,880 thrash metal, but into you know, yeah, hip hop in other areas 1974 01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:47,119 of kind of youth culture and stuff. There's that kind of mixtape idea. 1975 01:58:47,319 --> 01:58:49,960 I was quite pleased at how they actually transitioned out with that because I was 1976 01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,399 expecting it to be a kind of you know, sort of throwaway moment, 1977 01:58:53,439 --> 01:58:56,520 but about forty seconds in when it takes over with like the riff and it 1978 01:58:56,640 --> 01:59:00,520 turns a little hardcore instrumental track, but it's actually set up by again the 1979 01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:02,920 sort of the the feeling of that hip hop portion quite well and quite smooth, 1980 01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:09,880 and then you get that Yo drain. Yeah. I think their charisma 1981 01:59:10,039 --> 01:59:14,159 is outstripping the real wold power of their songs still, but they are pretty 1982 01:59:14,199 --> 01:59:18,359 effortless to listen to and very charming, So that's draining and living proof. 1983 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:23,680 The last review comes from Hot Mulligan. It's their third album called Why Would 1984 01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:25,880 I Watch, but it is the first time they've been covered on this podcast. 1985 01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,560 This is one of those cases where I kind of have to hold up 1986 01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:30,520 my hands and say this basically had passed me by prior to this, Because 1987 01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:32,720 this kind of thing, I mainly rely on people who actually like this music, 1988 01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:35,000 you, for example, Sam, to kind of let us know what's 1989 01:59:35,039 --> 01:59:38,159 going on. The first I'd ever heard of this band was about a month 1990 01:59:38,199 --> 01:59:41,079 ago when one of their tweets turned up in my feed asking people to quote 1991 01:59:41,399 --> 01:59:45,199 stop jacking off our shows, and I thought that was funny, but maybe 1992 01:59:45,239 --> 01:59:46,880 the fact they're called Hot m word, and I don't like the other one. 1993 01:59:47,239 --> 01:59:49,880 I sort of assumed this band would be something they're not. And then 1994 01:59:50,279 --> 01:59:55,239 they announced their upcoming tour with Spanish Love Songs in support of them, who 1995 01:59:55,319 --> 01:59:57,880 are a band that people around me have been like whanging on for for a 1996 01:59:58,079 --> 01:59:59,840 much longer period of time, and I had to go like, Wow, 1997 01:59:59,880 --> 02:00:01,600 this band are actually like quite big. What the hell? So Sam, 1998 02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:03,760 what is the story up to date with Hot Mulligan. Who are these guys 1999 02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:06,960 and where they come from? Well? I kind of didn't realize how big 2000 02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:10,800 they were until I saw them headlining over Spanish Love Songs, because I was 2001 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,840 kind of just like, oh, you know, they are a we like 2002 02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:15,720 the one. They're the band have come up in the sort of the aftermath 2003 02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:18,600 of the Wonder Years. They have that really simil approached thing, So I 2004 02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:21,720 was kind of like, they're pretty good, Like I was never kind of 2005 02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:26,239 wowed by them, And then what I noticed is that they started to appeal 2006 02:00:26,359 --> 02:00:31,880 to more just your standard pop punk fan and so where Spanish Love Songs were 2007 02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:35,880 for the real sad kids sat in the corner, Hot Mulligan were kind of 2008 02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:40,680 like crossing crossing both of them, and that's why I guess they've quietly become 2009 02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:43,960 one of the bigger bands in that area, and now Evan's kind have had 2010 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,239 this sort of ten years ago. Oh, they're actually quite a real deal 2011 02:00:47,319 --> 02:00:50,640 in this scene. Yeah, I think you're right they have. They've they're 2012 02:00:51,159 --> 02:00:55,920 tapping it to more that sort of that youth feeling, maybe more than those 2013 02:00:56,039 --> 02:00:58,800 even though this record does still very much like, you know, grown up 2014 02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:00,640 pop punk fans, we're going to be in on this for when they feel 2015 02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,960 sad. Even I think those people should just grow up more and start listening 2016 02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:09,640 to Arm and Rail at the rest of us, sort of a pop punk 2017 02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:13,920 band for jocks like this of all things listeners to the idea that this is 2018 02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:19,039 somehow less of a downer and less whiny, you know, miserable. I 2019 02:01:19,079 --> 02:01:24,920 will be straight up with I disliked this album within the first five seconds to 2020 02:01:25,039 --> 02:01:29,079 the point that did I pressed play, it started, and then I turned 2021 02:01:29,079 --> 02:01:30,680 it off because I had to just let out a laugh, right, a 2022 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:33,840 laugh of like recognition that oh God, it's going to be one of the 2023 02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,439 users that this is what I'm going to be spending my next thirty seven minutes 2024 02:01:36,439 --> 02:01:40,399 with. Let me like prepare myself before pressing play with us again because the 2025 02:01:40,520 --> 02:01:44,199 opening five seconds on this art, if you have my music taste atrocious, 2026 02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:49,000 you know what. I don't have the energy to really defend this one against 2027 02:01:49,079 --> 02:01:51,600 you, like, I like this record, but I'm kind of just like 2028 02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:56,279 I don't because it sounds like bands I like, but I do just gonna 2029 02:01:56,319 --> 02:01:59,960 think it's like it's just a little bit like, yeah, it's the one 2030 02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:04,159 years about the emotional weight or the really catchy hooks, like one of these 2031 02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:08,359 albums that's trying to lead more into you like more traditional pop punk side and 2032 02:02:08,439 --> 02:02:12,560 be a bit more thing. It's not really much in the way of hooks 2033 02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:15,199 on this record, apart from you know the like, um, I'm not 2034 02:02:15,239 --> 02:02:18,000 going to say any of the song titles because they make me angry. That's 2035 02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:20,239 maybe one of the things where I can't be bothered to defend this album is 2036 02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:24,920 I don't know anyone who could say they like this band and not feel embarrassed 2037 02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,680 saying these song tides or well, I mean again, it perks up a 2038 02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:30,479 bit from the opening a few seconds, but it's still just such an exasperating 2039 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:33,800 a Yelpie album. The main melody in that opener is so fucking irritating, 2040 02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:39,680 like like some kind of emo alarm clock, and my mind is thrown to 2041 02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:42,680 like I haven't had to hear it for a few years prior to you know 2042 02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:45,960 today, But how off putting. I find Spanish love songs and like how 2043 02:02:45,039 --> 02:02:47,880 they deliver those kind of songs, and I have to go, I hate 2044 02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:51,560 this. I'm not in the audience or at all people who find things like 2045 02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:56,000 The Wonder Years and Spanish love songs emotionally moving. What do they think of 2046 02:02:56,039 --> 02:02:58,239 it? So you say you quite like this record, like what is the 2047 02:02:58,279 --> 02:03:00,880 appeal of this and what does it do? Well? See? I quite 2048 02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,000 last because I just like this, and I don't think this record actually does 2049 02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:06,600 much to really stand out from the pack. Like I guess it's a little 2050 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:09,479 bit more. It's kind of got a little bit more of like a Matthew 2051 02:03:09,560 --> 02:03:12,399 rock stuff to the music at times, but again that's kind of just like 2052 02:03:12,479 --> 02:03:16,840 little bits here and there. It's kind of bouncy and if you you know, 2053 02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:20,279 you like the kind of shirt tuggy emotions, it does that. I 2054 02:03:20,359 --> 02:03:25,520 think this is a real kind of like high six low seven out of ten 2055 02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:30,680 take on this kind of really emotional pop punk. Yeah, I mean, 2056 02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:34,159 for me, The thing that sells these bands or doesn't sell these bands, 2057 02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:39,039 is how much you connect with the singer. Like, if you can identify 2058 02:03:39,239 --> 02:03:43,760 with the singer and empathize with them, that gets you so far of the 2059 02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:46,920 way. And one of the ways that a band can do that is by 2060 02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:51,960 being genuinely kind of naked. And one of my problems with this record, 2061 02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,199 and it's a problem with pop punk and email at large at the minute, 2062 02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:01,119 is it seems like every band has found an acceptable level of self reflection and 2063 02:04:01,319 --> 02:04:08,720 self exposing and is incapable of going any deeper than that, but to overcompensate, 2064 02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:12,640 they have to tug on their shirts a lot. See I get that, 2065 02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:16,319 but I think like Soupy, you do get that actual naked and same 2066 02:04:16,359 --> 02:04:19,920 we've dinnim from spani slub songs and again like love might hate the wobbling find 2067 02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:26,359 whatever, but with those vocalists it feels totally real and authentic. Here. 2068 02:04:26,439 --> 02:04:29,920 I think it is they're having to you know, they're having to put on 2069 02:04:30,039 --> 02:04:32,600 the shirt to get that emotion out in a way that for Supi it just 2070 02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:36,840 pours out of him naturally. Well, it's the thing, like I'm not 2071 02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:40,960 going to say the song sis either it's a matter the song sis of this 2072 02:04:41,039 --> 02:04:44,319 annoying and then I can't remember them. But like the fact that the singer 2073 02:04:44,439 --> 02:04:51,119 has the same level of emotional devastation a when his pet dies and be when 2074 02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:55,279 his parents are drunk at his graduation. He treats both of them with the 2075 02:04:55,359 --> 02:05:00,199 same level of oh I can't move, what can I do? And means 2076 02:05:00,199 --> 02:05:02,560 that by the end of this record, I was kind of just exhausted, 2077 02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:06,640 Like I hadn't felt sad at any point, but I did just feel like, 2078 02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:11,439 you know, geez like, and I don't want to tell people how 2079 02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:14,079 to feel. And I don't even think this is a bad record necessarily. 2080 02:05:14,119 --> 02:05:15,840 I think this is okay, and there's some things I actually quite like about 2081 02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:20,680 it. But that is something that I wish pop punk and emo by and 2082 02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:25,439 large could kind of get a bit of a grip on. Yeah again, 2083 02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,000 I was. I was. Again. I knew before actually press play I 2084 02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:30,000 wouldn't like it because I don't like the kind of thing, and so I 2085 02:05:30,119 --> 02:05:31,520 again I was hoping that, you know, I'm putting this forward for the 2086 02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:33,720 people who are into this, and if you guys aren't into it either, 2087 02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:38,079 then to a huge degree, then kind of is what it is. I 2088 02:05:38,119 --> 02:05:41,079 can't help that. But again, but this is this is one of those 2089 02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:43,600 amas that's really getting buzzed. So I think he's one that should be talked 2090 02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:45,359 to. Yeah, that's why I put it in because I thought people might 2091 02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:48,319 at this moment have blown up in a way that Yeah, and again I 2092 02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:51,880 don't want to I'm not going to pass you know, dissuasion on his like 2093 02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:56,159 emotional authenticity whatever. I'm sure these songs are very very real to him. 2094 02:05:56,319 --> 02:05:59,960 But I do agree that again for me particularly has someone who doesn't like the 2095 02:06:00,119 --> 02:06:04,720 style anyway, there is a real a grating monotity, monotony in that where 2096 02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:11,359 it's like every note is just like so overwrought to that unbelievable degree. And 2097 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:14,119 I mean this album, I mean it's it's all. It's certainly it's energetic, 2098 02:06:14,279 --> 02:06:15,640 right, like, it's definitely based on that punk feel more than it 2099 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,760 is again, but they barely able to lift its feet kind of Brian Fallon 2100 02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:23,039 approach. There is there's almost like a vocal trade off on this which again 2101 02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:26,399 someone like Soupy to me, I don't like he sounds the fucking same all 2102 02:06:26,439 --> 02:06:30,000 the time, and it's that same monotony but there is a more manic feeling 2103 02:06:30,119 --> 02:06:32,039 in this where he does this style of singing and it normally ends up tailing 2104 02:06:32,039 --> 02:06:34,359 off. It's like some kind of scream at the end of sentences and like 2105 02:06:34,439 --> 02:06:39,319 he's having some kind of like psychotic episode while doing it. And I think 2106 02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:44,359 you mentioned the hooks. Shosh gulf is on is probably the best chorus melody 2107 02:06:44,399 --> 02:06:45,239 on it, and it uses that sort of scream at the end that's almost 2108 02:06:45,319 --> 02:06:48,359 draw that out a bit more intensely. But there are there are parts when 2109 02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:51,199 the most listenable parts on this, I certainly when it sort of takes it 2110 02:06:51,239 --> 02:06:54,680 easy for a moment, like no shoes in the coffee shop, stuff like 2111 02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:58,039 that. There are songs on this that feel like they would be almost quite 2112 02:06:58,119 --> 02:07:01,000 upbeat pop punk songs if they were to different places. Vocally, like christ 2113 02:07:01,079 --> 02:07:04,279 Alive, my Toe, damn It, Hit Hurts has a like guitar lines 2114 02:07:04,319 --> 02:07:06,800 that wouldn't be out of place on that Dirty Hill album. But then at 2115 02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:10,720 the end he's like being like scolded, like fucking hot irons at the end 2116 02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:14,520 of it. And it's it's full of these like you know, intensely overbearing, 2117 02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:17,399 soul bearing, you know moments that they then cover up with ironic song 2118 02:07:17,439 --> 02:07:21,279 title like that's original. I can't believe cock Party two Better Than the First 2119 02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:26,920 has the audacity to sound like that, Like that's a genuinely hilarious song title, 2120 02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,560 that's like extreme shit posting energy, and then it's one of the fucking 2121 02:07:29,640 --> 02:07:32,319 quiet songs. For God's sake. It's the sort of like, oh, 2122 02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:36,239 the self awareness of the song titles does just find I did just find that 2123 02:07:36,279 --> 02:07:40,119 a bit grating across the whole ras a bit like a parody of what these 2124 02:07:40,199 --> 02:07:44,039 kind of bands have been doing for ten plus years. Yeah, but it 2125 02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:45,520 feels like but they've they've been doing it on every record. You go for 2126 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,600 all their records and they're all their songs, all their albums have daft song 2127 02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:55,640 titles. Here, it just feels like the most ridiculous there. I'm known 2128 02:07:56,119 --> 02:07:59,199 they smacked my head off one, but they've spelled all the words badly. 2129 02:07:59,399 --> 02:08:01,840 It was like cock Party two Better Than the First made me laugh. It's 2130 02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:05,680 just not on a good song. Um you mentioned earlier. I was kind 2131 02:08:05,680 --> 02:08:09,079 of surprised at how newdly this album is, Like it's that kind of Matthew 2132 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,920 thing. I quite like those bits on it. I think it's a family 2133 02:08:11,439 --> 02:08:15,159 her dad has almost almost like Taylor York, kind of like pok guitar parts 2134 02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:16,000 or summer sort in away in the background, which is like, yeah, 2135 02:08:16,039 --> 02:08:18,800 that's that's that's something to throw my ear too. And then there's kind of 2136 02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:22,960 you know, this song is called et cetera, there's a kind of like 2137 02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:26,000 slow Midwest email. He kind of passages like that. So there's a good 2138 02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:30,199 musicianship here. I just find it unbearable, Like I can't believe that the 2139 02:08:30,279 --> 02:08:33,720 Wonder Year is if Soupie was being jabbed with hot pokers is now a pitch 2140 02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:37,800 and it's something that people are going for, Like I think, yeah, 2141 02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:39,920 it's a family matter. I think that's probably one of my favorite songs on 2142 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:43,279 it because it's got it's got that kind of pop punk bounce, but with 2143 02:08:43,359 --> 02:08:46,039 those newly bits that just give it a bit more like texture, and it's 2144 02:08:46,039 --> 02:08:48,720 one of the few songs that it's actually got a hook that has stuck with 2145 02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:52,720 me. I just think, yeah that like every someone listen, I was 2146 02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:56,880 gonna like it just he is just doing Soupie. Like there are bits where 2147 02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:00,640 it's so so indistinguishable that I was like, it's I assume he's just come 2148 02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:03,560 on as guest vocals. Oh no, no, it's still the same guy. 2149 02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:05,399 And I was because that that was actually distracting to me at the point 2150 02:09:05,399 --> 02:09:09,640 where I was just like, you're not even trying to hide, You're doing 2151 02:09:09,319 --> 02:09:13,119 the vocals of the guy who popularized this again. To me, I I 2152 02:09:13,159 --> 02:09:20,000 can absolutely that similar similarity. This guy sounded like a more like wildly exaggerated 2153 02:09:20,079 --> 02:09:22,960 kind of in pain version of that. They were definitely a little easy with 2154 02:09:24,279 --> 02:09:26,600 there. There were bits way it definitely goes into that, but it's kind 2155 02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:28,039 of just like that's a bit. So I was going, oh, yeah, 2156 02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:31,439 no, no, no, you are doing anything because you're screaming a 2157 02:09:31,479 --> 02:09:35,119 little bit at the end of the line. Like I do like this record. 2158 02:09:35,159 --> 02:09:37,319 I do think it's you know, good, but I just I'm just 2159 02:09:37,399 --> 02:09:41,279 gonna kind of rewarded as this is the one that people are really gassing up 2160 02:09:41,319 --> 02:09:46,079 when I'm like, the last one years record I still found way more catchy, 2161 02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:50,239 interesting and varied than this, and that people seem to be like, 2162 02:09:50,319 --> 02:09:52,600 yeah, it's good, and then a lot of people seem to move on 2163 02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:56,279 from it really quickly. I'm just like, I don't think there's anything about 2164 02:09:56,319 --> 02:09:58,279 this that stands out above that at all. Well, I think I think 2165 02:09:58,319 --> 02:10:01,239 the vocalist, I'm not gonna say he's better than soup, He's far from 2166 02:10:01,319 --> 02:10:05,439 it, but I'll give him this. He does have a skill for phrasing 2167 02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:09,880 in songs like It's a family Movie. The chorus and that is really catchy. 2168 02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:13,279 And almost all of that is down to how he places the words, 2169 02:10:13,279 --> 02:10:16,199 because he sings almost everything at the same pitch, and the lyrics are all 2170 02:10:16,279 --> 02:10:20,520 that, you know, invigorating, but just the way he phrases them makes 2171 02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:24,840 them feel quite alive and exciting. And maybe this isn't the kindest compliment, 2172 02:10:24,199 --> 02:10:28,880 but the way he's able to get that push and pull in on fairly bland 2173 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,880 songs, it reminds me a bit of like the guy in Fun who. 2174 02:10:33,079 --> 02:10:37,920 I don't know if people remember I fucking hated that. Yeah right, well, 2175 02:10:39,439 --> 02:10:46,720 well they had super bland songs like textually, but the singer annoying. 2176 02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:48,880 He may be he did have a skill at kind of adding that push and 2177 02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:52,479 pull who, which I think elevates it slightly, and I think lyrically, 2178 02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:56,399 like, I mean, there are some of the cliches that there's every person 2179 02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:58,319 in one of these bands get offered a cigarette on a front porch, like 2180 02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:03,640 how does this happen to everyone all of the time? But there are little 2181 02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:07,840 similars and metaphors which I think makes the whole thing much more vivid, Like 2182 02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:11,960 when he says I think it's on and I smoke, he said something with 2183 02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:18,239 my throat being full of hair, Like that's a vivid, clever visual metaphor, 2184 02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:22,439 and it makes it almost more annoying that that doesn't extend to the song 2185 02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:26,000 titles, like they write okay, some really they have some cool imagery in 2186 02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:30,279 their songs, and then they don't make the leap to go why don't we 2187 02:11:30,319 --> 02:11:31,800 call our song that? Why don't we there's never going to be a reference 2188 02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:35,000 to your level of gravitask that you can really sort of throw yourself a hind 2189 02:11:35,039 --> 02:11:39,720 in that regard, Like again, like I can't help it. I hear 2190 02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:43,079 music like this and my bullying senses start tickling, Like if you are listening 2191 02:11:43,119 --> 02:11:46,880 Hot Mulligan, I was never going to like you. Right again, I 2192 02:11:46,279 --> 02:11:50,039 this is this is where I sit. Keep doing what you're doing for the 2193 02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,359 people who are into it. You might like it if your shirt has been 2194 02:11:52,399 --> 02:11:56,479 tugged to the extent that you now look like Fred from the Flintstones the Bannacle 2195 02:11:56,520 --> 02:11:58,920 Hot Mulligan. The record is called why Would I Watch? That's a shot 2196 02:11:58,960 --> 02:12:01,199 of an average reviews by from us right now. But you probably know today 2197 02:12:01,439 --> 02:12:05,520 there is another album out that's pretty big for the rock world at large. 2198 02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:09,079 If you know who we're talking about, you probably know that we kind of 2199 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:11,000 don't want to have to talk about it, but it is of the significance 2200 02:12:11,039 --> 02:12:16,079 that we do kind of have to been weird to pretend it doesn't happen so 2201 02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,600 dedicated in its own spot. We are going to be back with a Hyperblast 2202 02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:22,159 review episode next week where we cover what will probably end up being the biggest 2203 02:12:22,199 --> 02:12:24,760 metal release of the year. Let's give it its credit there, so let's 2204 02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:28,399 see how we survive that one. But thank you for listening to today's episode. 2205 02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:31,520 Next week we will also announce this month's album Clubs. But before then, 2206 02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:35,560 we've got our nearly four hour episode on the entire career of the utterly 2207 02:12:35,640 --> 02:12:39,279 one of a kind band that was Oathbreaker available for our that's not all patrons 2208 02:12:39,359 --> 02:12:43,880 who kindly helped to keep this podcast going. We'll be back soon. Cheers,